Khloé in Wonder Land – "Khloé vs Conspiracies" ft. Savas Oguz
Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Savas (Sevaz) Oguz
Episode Overview
In this lively, hilarious, and illuminating episode of Khloé in Wonder Land, Khloé Kardashian and her close friend Savas Oguz deep-dive into the world of conspiracy theories. From alien crossbreeding and haunted houses, to the mysteries of pyramids and portals in Antarctica, the two spar over truth, skepticism, and the wildest corners of internet lore. The conversation captures the dynamic of their friendship—Khloé’s unfiltered curiosity balanced by Savas’s rational, often incredulous counterpoints.
Key Discussion Points and Insights
1. Khloé & Savas’ Relationship and Dynamic
- Khloé introduces Savas as a “dear friend” and part of her chosen family—having met him through Tristan, but remained close long after the breakup.
- Their daily banter includes lively debates about conspiracies, both in group chats and during workouts.
- “Sevaz was born to argue.” — Khloé [00:08]
- “I feel like I argue against stuff that's, like, no, I... Somebody will say something crazy, and I'll...” — Savas [03:15]
- Savas is described as logical and rational, often pushing back against Khloé’s wilder claims for the fun of it.
- The playful tone and mutual affection comes through in running jokes about being "brother and sister" and stories about their family hangouts and group chats.
"We work out together. We, like, travel together. He's also in my family... if you are friends with one of us, you're friends with all of us." – Khloé [02:03]
2. Childhood Lies and Culture Shock
Khloé quizzes Savas (first-generation Canadian of Turkish descent) about common childhood myths American parents tell their kids ("If you sit too close to the TV, you'll go blind," "If you swallow gum it takes seven years to digest"), and discovers which ones transcended cultures.
- Savas hadn't heard of some, highlighting differences between North American and immigrant households.
- Fun anecdote: Savas had never heard the classic children's song "Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes," which Khloé finds unbelievable.
“Which one?” — Savas [07:55]
“Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes. Like the song that we played…” — Khloé [07:56]
3. Conspiracies Central: Believer vs. Debunker
Khloé and Savas explore their approaches to conspiracy theories.
- Savas enjoys hearing about conspiracies but is a staunch skeptic who loves finding rational explanations.
“I don’t believe in conspiracy... Like, I’m into them. Like, I like that they’re brought up, but I don’t believe them.” — Savas [09:02]
- Khloé, in contrast, approaches the world with a mindset of “anything’s possible,” and finds fun in exploring far-fetched ideas.
A. The Moon Landing
- Savas: Believes the moon landing happened, citing scientific explanations for common arguments (e.g., why the flag was waving).
- Khloé: Skeptical due to the "waving flag" and multiple camera angles.
“You’re telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? We don’t even have service in some parts of Calabasas.” — Khloé [00:24]/[11:22] “I looked into that, and they said that was because they moved the flag… There’s some science behind why.” — Savas [10:50]/[11:06]
- The debate highlights generational/cultural divides around trust in official history.
B. Aliens, UFOs, and Government Coverups
- Khloé: “The government has confirmed that they exist.” [15:49]
- Savas: Sticks to semantics (UFO = "unidentified," not necessarily alien) and wants concrete evidence.
“So do you believe that we’re the only planet with living organisms on it in the entire galaxy?” — Khloé [16:37] “I personally don’t. I think Earth… is such a unique thing. I haven’t seen one piece of evidence where I’m like, okay, now I believe in aliens.” — Savas [16:47]
- The Miami mall “alien sighting” is recounted with input from Rob Kardashian:
"You're telling me 183 cop cars got called to the Miami mall." — Khloé [18:25]
“It was because they thought it was an active shooter…” — Savas [18:48]
“They're not counting the amount of cop cars in the dam. That is insane.” — Savas [18:53]
C. Human-Alien Hybrids and Area 51
- Khloé brings up stories of alien-human crossbreeding and government coverups, which Savas finds ridiculous.
“It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it’s real.” — Khloé [20:47]
- Area 51: Khloé shares her experience being turned away while filming, and recites local lore with enthusiasm.
“On the way to Area 51, they have like souvenir shops of all alien stuff... Aliens are known to be there.” — Khloé [23:29]
D. Antarctica & Global Secrecy
- Khloé: Suggests Antarctica is off-limits due to hidden government secrets, possibly portals or alien bases.
“Why is Antarctica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance?” — Khloé [24:13]
- Savas: Unaware of the conspiracy, asks logical follow-up questions.
- Rob joins to confirm some of the rumors, but remains noncommittal:
“That one I can understand why he wouldn’t believe it.” — Rob [26:15]
E. Mysterious Plane Disappearances
- Malaysia Air’s disappearance: Khloé offers the UFO abduction theory and wonders about missing evidence.
“Malaysian Air rumor is a UFO abducted [the plane].” — Khloé [27:44]
- Savas and Rob are unconvinced and chalk it up to tragedy and human stories.
F. The Pyramids and Ancient Technology
- Savas expresses actual confusion about how the pyramids could have been built, probably his favorite “unsolved” conspiracy:
“One interesting conspiracy I think is how pyramids were made. That one, I’m genuinely confused.” — Savas [27:57]
- Khloé postulates giants or alien technology; they discuss stories about under-pyramid structures and Tesla's theories.
“Nikola Tesla believed the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices, not tombs built to harness and transmit power using the earth’s natural electromagnetic fields.” — (Additional Guest Reading) [30:30] “How do they have the… They didn’t have tools to dig that kilometers into the ground.” — Khloé [31:31]
G. Mermaids, Bigfoot, Unicorns, and Cryptids
- Khloé wonders about mermaids: “Are there mermaids? Anything’s possible if I’m here.” [32:41]
- Savas: “You believe that they’re real humans living underwater?” [32:04]
- Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Unicorns—Khloé wants to believe; Savas dismisses them as stories and “barefoot fantasies.”
4. The Nature of Belief and Evidence
- Khloé contrasts her “anything’s possible” outlook to Savas’s reliance on seen evidence.
“I come from a place of anything’s possible. You come from a place of nothing’s possible.” — Khloé [32:30]
- They discuss how societal norms on technology have changed how we accept or reject once-unbelievable things (e.g., self-driving cars).
5. Ghosts, Spirits, and Animal Intelligence
- Khloé wholeheartedly believes in spirits and shares several ghost stories, while Savas remains a skeptic, attributing most to the brain playing tricks.
“Have you, like, ever seen a ghost?” — Khloé [00:47] “I don’t believe in ghosts. I believe in, like, spirits. I don’t believe in ghosts.” — Savas [40:34]
- Khloé recounts chilling moments in her own home—feeling a presence, a hand rubbing her head, unexplained noises, and missing items.
- They also discuss the intelligence and possible communication between animals, with Khloé suggesting it’s more advanced than assumed.
“I think all animals know how to communicate with each other.” — Khloé [36:44] “No, they’re. Animals are super smart. But I don’t think they could reason.” — Savas [39:44]
6. Reflections on Open-Mindedness and Banter
- The episode wraps with mutual appreciation for open dialogue and willingness to entertain offbeat ideas, even if only for fun.
“It’s just about bantering. And I also think today people get so afraid to talk. But like, that’s the point. You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things or you don’t. I’m not that deep.” – Khloé [48:02]
“I agree. It’s not that serious.” — Savas [48:15]
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
- Khloé (about the moon landing):
“You’re telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? We don’t even have service in some parts of Calabasas.” [00:24] - Savas (on ghosts):
“I don’t believe in ghosts. I believe in, like, spirits.” [40:34] - Khloé (on possibility):
“Anything’s possible if I’m here.” [32:41] - Savas (on Bigfoot):
“To me. That’s what all these are, barefoot fantasies. Bigfoot, whatever his name is. Yeah, it’s all made up stories.” [35:58] - Khloé (on banter):
“It’s just about bantering... loosen up and learn about things or you don’t.” [48:02] - Savas (on being on the podcast):
“Not a single person requested me, but...” [04:05] “Stop it. I’m honored.” [47:28]
Timestamps for Key Segments
| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening exchange and banter | 00:00-02:00 | | Savas’s background and dynamic | 01:15-03:40 | | Childhood myths and “Head, Shoulders, Knees…” | 06:04-08:42 | | Conspiracy approaches explained | 09:02-10:05 | | Moon landing debate | 10:39-13:06 | | Alien/UFO/government coverups | 15:41-24:00 | | Antarctica conspiracies, Rob joins | 23:56-26:30 | | Malaysia Air and cryptid talk | 26:41-28:49 | | Pyramids, Tesla, and ancient tech | 27:57-31:38 | | Mermaids, Bigfoot, cryptids | 32:00-36:08 | | Animal intelligence discussion | 36:41-40:11 | | Ghosts and spirits, haunted stories | 40:34-46:44 | | Reflections on belief and open dialogue | 47:53-48:24 |
Takeaways
- Khloé embodies open-minded curiosity, while Savas plays the rational skeptic. Their camaraderie allows them to disagree playfully while still showing respect for each other's worldviews.
- The conversation covers everything from mainstream historical conspiracies to farfetched urban legends.
- Pop culture, personal anecdotes, and family banter infuse the episode with warmth and relatability.
- The value of discussing “ridiculous” ideas lies in connection and entertainment, not always seeking the “truth.”
For those who missed this episode: Expect a whirlwind tour of earth’s strangest wonders, friendly debate, and the gleeful pursuit of every “what if?”—all with that familiar Kardashian wit and charm.