Khloé vs Conspiracies ft. Savas Oguz

Summary

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Khloé in Wonder Land – "Khloé vs Conspiracies" ft. Savas Oguz

Date: December 3, 2025
Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Savas (Sevaz) Oguz

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Episode Overview

In this lively, hilarious, and illuminating episode of Khloé in Wonder Land, Khloé Kardashian and her close friend Savas Oguz deep-dive into the world of conspiracy theories. From alien crossbreeding and haunted houses, to the mysteries of pyramids and portals in Antarctica, the two spar over truth, skepticism, and the wildest corners of internet lore. The conversation captures the dynamic of their friendship—Khloé’s unfiltered curiosity balanced by Savas’s rational, often incredulous counterpoints.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Khloé & Savas’ Relationship and Dynamic

• Khloé introduces Savas as a “dear friend” and part of her chosen family—having met him through Tristan, but remained close long after the breakup.
• Their daily banter includes lively debates about conspiracies, both in group chats and during workouts.
  • “Sevaz was born to argue.” — Khloé [00:08]
  • “I feel like I argue against stuff that's, like, no, I... Somebody will say something crazy, and I'll...” — Savas [03:15]
• Savas is described as logical and rational, often pushing back against Khloé’s wilder claims for the fun of it.
• The playful tone and mutual affection comes through in running jokes about being "brother and sister" and stories about their family hangouts and group chats.

  "We work out together. We, like, travel together. He's also in my family... if you are friends with one of us, you're friends with all of us." – Khloé [02:03]

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2. Childhood Lies and Culture Shock

Khloé quizzes Savas (first-generation Canadian of Turkish descent) about common childhood myths American parents tell their kids ("If you sit too close to the TV, you'll go blind," "If you swallow gum it takes seven years to digest"), and discovers which ones transcended cultures.

• Savas hadn't heard of some, highlighting differences between North American and immigrant households.
• Fun anecdote: Savas had never heard the classic children's song "Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes," which Khloé finds unbelievable.

  “Which one?” — Savas [07:55]
  “Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes. Like the song that we played…” — Khloé [07:56]

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3. Conspiracies Central: Believer vs. Debunker

Khloé and Savas explore their approaches to conspiracy theories.

• Savas enjoys hearing about conspiracies but is a staunch skeptic who loves finding rational explanations.

  “I don’t believe in conspiracy... Like, I’m into them. Like, I like that they’re brought up, but I don’t believe them.” — Savas [09:02]

• Khloé, in contrast, approaches the world with a mindset of “anything’s possible,” and finds fun in exploring far-fetched ideas.

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A. The Moon Landing

• Savas: Believes the moon landing happened, citing scientific explanations for common arguments (e.g., why the flag was waving).
• Khloé: Skeptical due to the "waving flag" and multiple camera angles.

  “You’re telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? We don’t even have service in some parts of Calabasas.” — Khloé [00:24]/[11:22] “I looked into that, and they said that was because they moved the flag… There’s some science behind why.” — Savas [10:50]/[11:06]

• The debate highlights generational/cultural divides around trust in official history.

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B. Aliens, UFOs, and Government Coverups

• Khloé: “The government has confirmed that they exist.” [15:49]
• Savas: Sticks to semantics (UFO = "unidentified," not necessarily alien) and wants concrete evidence.

  “So do you believe that we’re the only planet with living organisms on it in the entire galaxy?” — Khloé [16:37] “I personally don’t. I think Earth… is such a unique thing. I haven’t seen one piece of evidence where I’m like, okay, now I believe in aliens.” — Savas [16:47]

• The Miami mall “alien sighting” is recounted with input from Rob Kardashian:

  "You're telling me 183 cop cars got called to the Miami mall." — Khloé [18:25]
  “It was because they thought it was an active shooter…” — Savas [18:48]
  “They're not counting the amount of cop cars in the dam. That is insane.” — Savas [18:53]

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C. Human-Alien Hybrids and Area 51

• Khloé brings up stories of alien-human crossbreeding and government coverups, which Savas finds ridiculous.

  “It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it’s real.” — Khloé [20:47]

• Area 51: Khloé shares her experience being turned away while filming, and recites local lore with enthusiasm.

  “On the way to Area 51, they have like souvenir shops of all alien stuff... Aliens are known to be there.” — Khloé [23:29]

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D. Antarctica & Global Secrecy

• Khloé: Suggests Antarctica is off-limits due to hidden government secrets, possibly portals or alien bases.

  “Why is Antarctica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance?” — Khloé [24:13]

• Savas: Unaware of the conspiracy, asks logical follow-up questions.
• Rob joins to confirm some of the rumors, but remains noncommittal:

  “That one I can understand why he wouldn’t believe it.” — Rob [26:15]

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E. Mysterious Plane Disappearances

• Malaysia Air’s disappearance: Khloé offers the UFO abduction theory and wonders about missing evidence.

  “Malaysian Air rumor is a UFO abducted [the plane].” — Khloé [27:44]

• Savas and Rob are unconvinced and chalk it up to tragedy and human stories.

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F. The Pyramids and Ancient Technology

• Savas expresses actual confusion about how the pyramids could have been built, probably his favorite “unsolved” conspiracy:

  “One interesting conspiracy I think is how pyramids were made. That one, I’m genuinely confused.” — Savas [27:57]

• Khloé postulates giants or alien technology; they discuss stories about under-pyramid structures and Tesla's theories.

  “Nikola Tesla believed the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices, not tombs built to harness and transmit power using the earth’s natural electromagnetic fields.” — (Additional Guest Reading) [30:30] “How do they have the… They didn’t have tools to dig that kilometers into the ground.” — Khloé [31:31]

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G. Mermaids, Bigfoot, Unicorns, and Cryptids

• Khloé wonders about mermaids: “Are there mermaids? Anything’s possible if I’m here.” [32:41]
• Savas: “You believe that they’re real humans living underwater?” [32:04]
• Bigfoot, Loch Ness Monster, Unicorns—Khloé wants to believe; Savas dismisses them as stories and “barefoot fantasies.”

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4. The Nature of Belief and Evidence

• Khloé contrasts her “anything’s possible” outlook to Savas’s reliance on seen evidence.

  “I come from a place of anything’s possible. You come from a place of nothing’s possible.” — Khloé [32:30]

• They discuss how societal norms on technology have changed how we accept or reject once-unbelievable things (e.g., self-driving cars).

5. Ghosts, Spirits, and Animal Intelligence

• Khloé wholeheartedly believes in spirits and shares several ghost stories, while Savas remains a skeptic, attributing most to the brain playing tricks.

  “Have you, like, ever seen a ghost?” — Khloé [00:47] “I don’t believe in ghosts. I believe in, like, spirits. I don’t believe in ghosts.” — Savas [40:34]

• Khloé recounts chilling moments in her own home—feeling a presence, a hand rubbing her head, unexplained noises, and missing items.
• They also discuss the intelligence and possible communication between animals, with Khloé suggesting it’s more advanced than assumed.

  “I think all animals know how to communicate with each other.” — Khloé [36:44] “No, they’re. Animals are super smart. But I don’t think they could reason.” — Savas [39:44]

6. Reflections on Open-Mindedness and Banter

• The episode wraps with mutual appreciation for open dialogue and willingness to entertain offbeat ideas, even if only for fun.

  “It’s just about bantering. And I also think today people get so afraid to talk. But like, that’s the point. You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things or you don’t. I’m not that deep.” – Khloé [48:02]
  “I agree. It’s not that serious.” — Savas [48:15]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Khloé (about the moon landing):
  “You’re telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? We don’t even have service in some parts of Calabasas.” [00:24]
• Savas (on ghosts):
  “I don’t believe in ghosts. I believe in, like, spirits.” [40:34]
• Khloé (on possibility):
  “Anything’s possible if I’m here.” [32:41]
• Savas (on Bigfoot):
  “To me. That’s what all these are, barefoot fantasies. Bigfoot, whatever his name is. Yeah, it’s all made up stories.” [35:58]
• Khloé (on banter):
  “It’s just about bantering... loosen up and learn about things or you don’t.” [48:02]
• Savas (on being on the podcast):
  “Not a single person requested me, but...” [04:05] “Stop it. I’m honored.” [47:28]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|-------------| | Opening exchange and banter | 00:00-02:00 | | Savas’s background and dynamic | 01:15-03:40 | | Childhood myths and “Head, Shoulders, Knees…” | 06:04-08:42 | | Conspiracy approaches explained | 09:02-10:05 | | Moon landing debate | 10:39-13:06 | | Alien/UFO/government coverups | 15:41-24:00 | | Antarctica conspiracies, Rob joins | 23:56-26:30 | | Malaysia Air and cryptid talk | 26:41-28:49 | | Pyramids, Tesla, and ancient tech | 27:57-31:38 | | Mermaids, Bigfoot, cryptids | 32:00-36:08 | | Animal intelligence discussion | 36:41-40:11 | | Ghosts and spirits, haunted stories | 40:34-46:44 | | Reflections on belief and open dialogue | 47:53-48:24 |

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Takeaways

• Khloé embodies open-minded curiosity, while Savas plays the rational skeptic. Their camaraderie allows them to disagree playfully while still showing respect for each other's worldviews.
• The conversation covers everything from mainstream historical conspiracies to farfetched urban legends.
• Pop culture, personal anecdotes, and family banter infuse the episode with warmth and relatability.
• The value of discussing “ridiculous” ideas lies in connection and entertainment, not always seeking the “truth.”

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For those who missed this episode: Expect a whirlwind tour of earth’s strangest wonders, friendly debate, and the gleeful pursuit of every “what if?”—all with that familiar Kardashian wit and charm.

Transcript

[Chloe]

This episode is about conspiracy theories. Have you heard that aliens and humans have crossbred?

[Sevaz]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe]

You don't believe in one thing. I believe in. Zvaz is born to argue.

[Sevaz]

That's what people say, but I disagree.

[Chloe]

I come from a place of. Anything's possible. You want to prove, like, that I'm crazy and. Like. Which you are. Right. Which I am. You believe the moon landing happened?

[Sevaz]

I do.

[Chloe]

And you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? We don't even have service in some parts of Calabasas.

[Sevaz]

One interesting conspiracy, I think is how pyramids were made.

[Chloe]

This one's going to really get me going. What? How would they have the technology the giants helped do. I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica.

[Sevaz]

What are you going to say? There's aliens there or something?

[Chloe]

There's portals.

[Sevaz]

You think that's. Do you believe in that?

[Chloe]

Have you, like, ever seen a ghost? Literally last week, you know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind? And I was like, oh, what is in here?

[Sevaz]

I don't believe in ghosts.

[Chloe]

This was fun. I have so many more to.

[Sevaz]

We got to do this again.

[Chloe]

Dare I ask your theory on mermaids?

[Sevaz]

Mermaids.

[Chloe]

This podcast I'm so excited about because I've been wanting to get Saz on the pod for a while now. Sevaz is a dear friend of mine. I've known him for about nine plus years.

[Sevaz]

Ten years.

[Chloe]

Yeah, nine plus years. And I met Sevez because when I was dating Tristan. Sevaz is one of Tristan's best friends from childhood, and Sevaz and I just really clicked. And when Tristan and I broke up, I still got to keep Sevez. So that's a good.

[Sevaz]

And no, we're literally family.

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Sevaz]

We're actually brother and sister.

[Chloe]

I see Sevaz literally every single day, and if I don't see him for a day, it feels like a year has gone by. No, seriously, it's so weird.

[Sevaz]

We work out together.

[Chloe]

We work out together. We, like, travel together. He's also in my family, if you are friends with one of us, you're friends with all of us. So Sevaz is friends with all of my siblings, my mom, everything. So Sevaz is literally like my brother. And this episode is going to be about conspiracy theories and just us bantering about that. And the reason why is because Sevaz and I do this all day long.

[Sevaz]

In a group chat with her brother.

[Chloe]

In a group chat with Rob, or we'll just fight during our workout, nonstop, we argue in. Saz is born to argue.

[Sevaz]

But I. But I will only argue with conspiracy theorists.

[Chloe]

Like, you argue with anyone.

[Sevaz]

No, but I would mainly argue against, like, people that have crazy opinions. I feel like I'm, like, a very, like, even keel rational thinker.

[Chloe]

Okay, but you're also just. I also think sometimes Savaz will argue for the sake of arguing.

[Sevaz]

Like, say that, but I don't see it.

[Chloe]

Oh, I'm not the only one that says that.

[Sevaz]

No, a lot of people say it.

[Chloe]

Okay. I don't.

[Sevaz]

I genuinely do not see it. I feel like I argue against stuff that's like, no, I. Somebody will say something crazy, and I'll.

[Chloe]

Say, oh, I think you just love to go against the grain. So if I'm like, oh, this is red. You're like, I. I disagree. And I'm like, seaz, that's what people say.

[Sevaz]

But I disagree. But.

[Chloe]

But anyway, it's amazing, and I love it, and I wouldn't want to fight with anyone else. And this is your first time doing a podcast? Doing a podcast in general.

[Sevaz]

Is that what you were going to say?

[Chloe]

I was going to say your first time in Wonderland?

[Sevaz]

Oh, yeah.

[Chloe]

My show is called Chloe in Wonderland.

[Sevaz]

I wouldn't rather be in. Else this would be the. This is the podcast that I feel like. I mean, I watch all. All your episodes pretty much.

[Chloe]

Stop. So nice of you, of course. But also, duh. This is your first podcast. What am I thinking?

[Sevaz]

I know. I'm, like, highly requested here.

[Chloe]

Hello. This is amazing.

[Sevaz]

Not a single person requested me, but.

[Chloe]

I requested you forever. Let's have a sip. All right, I'm drinking vodka sprite and me on vodka. What's a little tidbit?

[Sevaz]

Oh, my God. Comes nuts off vodka.

[Chloe]

Vodka. And I do not go hand in hand. But I could have a glass. But I'm very aggressive on vodka. Kendall will also confirm.

[Sevaz]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe]

I've beat Kendall up a few times.

[Sevaz]

I've seen you drag her.

[Chloe]

It's so sad. Like, there's no reason. She's the nicest girl, and I attack her.

[Sevaz]

Why her?

[Chloe]

But you're the nicest guy, and I. Savaz was a baseball hat every fucking day of his life. And he has the best head of hair. I do not understand, because I don't.

[Sevaz]

Like to do my hair. It's, like, so much work.

[Chloe]

It is literally like Fabio, which you don't know who Fabio is, I bet. Exactly. But, like, the shorter version, this luscious, thick locks of hair, and he puts a baseball hat on it every.

[Sevaz]

It's because, like, my hair is, like, thinner. I want to say no. So it's not. But it's like, if I don't put product in it, it would just, like, fly everywhere. So I don't want to put product.

[Chloe]

So much hair. But I do flick his hat off when I'm drunk. Not every time.

[Sevaz]

So I have to, like, stay far away from you every time. No, I literally, like, I literally say, okay, I cannot go near her. Especially if I'm with, like, if I'm beside somebody that I don't want to be, like, get embarrassed in front of or something, she will grab my hat, throw it in the water, do this. It's crazy.

[Chloe]

He's like my brother. And so Cevaz is Turkish. His parents are from Turkey.

[Sevaz]

From Turkey?

[Chloe]

You're from Toronto.

[Sevaz]

First generation Canadian.

[Chloe]

Oh, fuck, yeah.

[Sevaz]

Which is most of our, like, most people around my age are first generation Canadians because everybody's parents.

[Chloe]

Oh. In Toronto.

[Sevaz]

In Toronto.

[Chloe]

The reason also why I'm saying that is there's a lot of things that you don't know about. Like, I think because you weren't raised for sure. Like, Americanized.

[Sevaz]

Oh, no. For sure.

[Chloe]

And so one of those things are. There was this video that I saw and it was like, lies your parents told. And I want to know if your parents told you the same lies since they're foreign. Would they, like, these are things I definitely was told as a kid.

[Sevaz]

Okay, let's do it.

[Chloe]

Okay. Were you ever told you'll go blind if you sit too close to the tv?

[Sevaz]

Yes.

[Chloe]

It's illegal to drive with the lights on in the car?

[Sevaz]

No, I don't think they told me that.

[Chloe]

I used to be in such fear if I turned the little light on. I used to be in fear world in the jail. Yeah. If you swallow gum, it takes seven years to digest.

[Sevaz]

I don't think I heard that. Wow.

[Chloe]

If you pee in the pool, a ring will form around you.

[Sevaz]

A ring? No, I've not.

[Chloe]

Or like, it will turn red.

[Sevaz]

You see a color or something.

[Chloe]

I was always told that I've got eyes in the back of my head. What's that, Soaz?

[Sevaz]

Like, I mean, the common saying, like, I got.

[Chloe]

No, like, as a parent, I would be like, true. Don't do that. Because I have eyes in the back of my head. So if I turn around, I'm still watching.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, yeah. Of course.

[Chloe]

If you make that face, it will stay forever like that.

[Sevaz]

Definitely, yeah.

[Chloe]

Why did they say that to us?

[Sevaz]

I don't know.

[Chloe]

Like, who cares if you make that face?

[Sevaz]

I don't know, it's like people. Have you ever heard the cross eyed one? Like if you cross your eyes too much, your eyes stick.

[Chloe]

I still think that might happen.

[Sevaz]

I know, me too.

[Chloe]

I'm not crossing my eyes. What about you can't swim for 30 minutes after eating?

[Sevaz]

No, I've never heard that.

[Chloe]

Oh, I heard that. Is that a thing all the time, but I don't think it's real. You could swim whenever you want.

[Sevaz]

I've definitely never heard that one.

[Chloe]

Do you know what prompted me to want to do this?

[Sevaz]

What?

[Chloe]

When my kids were playing the Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes song.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chloe]

And you've never heard it before, right? That's outrageous to me.

[Sevaz]

I mean it's cuz you. They listen to it all day.

[Chloe]

No, no, Sez. Have you ever heard that song?

[Sevaz]

Which one?

[Chloe]

Head, Shoulders, Knees and Toes. Like the song that we played and you were like.

[Sevaz]

Oh, I've never heard that. No.

[Chloe]

Right.

[Sevaz]

Why, why is that so surprising? Is that like a popular song or something? No, seriously, I've never heard. Who is it by?

[Chloe]

Well, I. It's Happy Birthday. No one knows who it's by. It's just.

[Sevaz]

I mean, I'm sure because you have kids. Did you know prior to having kids.

[Chloe]

I was a kid.

[Sevaz]

Oh, I've never heard that. That's definitely a Canadian American thing. They weren't playing like we didn't have too much money so it's not like we could watch TV and hear these things.

[Chloe]

Happy birthday. Do you know that? I mean obvious to me it's like equivalent really. Like do you know Ring around the Rosie? Of course that's the same.

[Sevaz]

Really? I've never heard.

[Chloe]

Yeah, yes.

[Sevaz]

I think I've never heard that.

[Chloe]

I think it's the same equivalency as Ring around the Rosie.

[Sevaz]

That's crazy.

[Chloe]

So what wanted me to read you some of these was. I just find it so fascinating that you don't know that song. Did you always love conspiracies?

[Sevaz]

I think I was always into them and you were.

[Chloe]

You're always on the side of. You don't believe in them.

[Sevaz]

I don't believe in them.

[Chloe]

So where do you find out about conspiracies? Through other people or do you like look for them?

[Sevaz]

Honestly, I feel like they just on social media. I see them a lot.

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[Chloe]

But now my algorithm is all conspiracies. I mean I send you and Rob the craziest shit.

[Sevaz]

No, Chloe, if. Whenever you see like all Chloe needs to see is Big white letters on, like, a picture of something. And it will say, like, the world is ending in 2028. She'll be like, oh, my God, guys, look. The world is ending. I'll be like, chloe, I believe everything, but you will send, like, 20 at a time. And I. Like, I won't get to all of them.

[Chloe]

No. And Rob does. Rob is like, can you just stop?

[Sevaz]

She will respond to one of the last ones.

[Chloe]

He will. He's like, can you stop? Do you prefer a conspiracy to be unsolved, or would you rather know the truth? Like, is it fun to go down these rabbit holes?

[Sevaz]

I don't really believe in conspiracy. Like, I'm into them. Like, I like that they're brought up, but I don't believe that. Like, the right.

[Chloe]

But what. So what I think you are. You like to debunk a conspiracy.

[Sevaz]

Yes.

[Chloe]

And you want to prove, like, I'm crazy and, like, which you are. Right. Which I am. And you want to be like, this is not real, and you want to debunk it for sure. But without the conspiracy, what would we even talk about? It's what we talk about all night.

[Sevaz]

No, it's. It's. I mean, I like just basic conversation about conspiracies. Because you say, I like to argue. I guess I do, but I don't know. I just. I. I obviously, I think conspiracies are super interesting. Like, depending on, like, the ma. I looked into the moon one.

[Chloe]

Oh, that's where we're going. Okay. Talk about the moon landing.

[Sevaz]

I believe that it happened now. I do. No, I.

[Chloe]

Do you believe the moon landing happened?

[Sevaz]

I do.

[Chloe]

Please tell me why.

[Sevaz]

I mean, so, okay, so when I was young, people used to say, oh, the flag was waving. That was like, a common, like, okay. Thing that would debunk the.

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[Sevaz]

But I looked into that, and they said that was because they moved the flag. And then there was some, like, science waving. There's some science behind. Why.

[Chloe]

No, there's not. So what about the four camera angles?

[Sevaz]

Which. What is that?

[Chloe]

If they're the first person on the moon. You're telling me there's four cameramen that went on the moon from different positions and they're filming them?

[Sevaz]

I mean, I just don't see. Because they said they've been to the.

[Chloe]

Moon, like, and you're telling me the president was able just to call up the moon? The people on whatever, just be like, hey, guys, did you make it? Like, we don't even have service in some parts of Calabasas.

[Sevaz]

I know. It Is strange that we haven't been.

[Chloe]

This didn't happen.

[Sevaz]

But you know what they say, it's happened like more than once. Like six times or something. Five or six times. But in that period, it was like in the early 70s or something. My thing is, I've seen like, Elon. I know, like, you can't just always go back to this, but I've seen Elon say, like, he believes it's real and that gives him hope that he's going to make it happen, like he's going to do it again.

[Chloe]

Well, why has no one done it again? They have sent vehicles to the moon and that type of stuff.

[Sevaz]

But like, I know it's kind of strange. I don't know. But you would say, generally the world believes that that's a real thing. Right? Other than like conspiracy theorists.

[Chloe]

Well, duh. That's what a conspiracy theorist is.

[Sevaz]

Right, but. So you're like one of the, like.

[Chloe]

I don't believe we landed on the moon.

[Sevaz]

You don't?

[Chloe]

I don't. I just don't. The flag moving. How is the flag waving back and forth like there's wind. It just doesn't make sense.

[Sevaz]

Well, they said that's some like, scientific thing where like when you. If you twist the pole, there's. I don't know what the exact term is, but like something happened to the. To the flag.

[Chloe]

I just don't believe it.

[Sevaz]

All right.

[Chloe]

I don't get the phone call the president made to the astronauts.

[Sevaz]

I just think that it's so easy to.

[Chloe]

That would easily be 60s, though. It was the 60s. They. You were able to hide so much.

[Sevaz]

No, it's true. I don't know. I believe that it's real, but I think you're not.

[Chloe]

You believe that, that's fine. I'll let you believe that.

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[Chloe]

This one's going to really get me going. Oh God.

[Sevaz]

What is it?

[Chloe]

What are your thoughts on aliens?

[Sevaz]

I don't believe they exist.

[Chloe]

Savaz. The government has confirmed that they exist.

[Sevaz]

But they haven't though. But they have like actual.

[Chloe]

Like I've told you this before, you don't believe me. During COVID they admitted that there was UFOs.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, but all a UFO is is like an unidentified like flying object, right? So it's like something. You don't even know what it is. But so could it be a sheet of metal flying through the air and you would think, oh, that's a ufo.

[Chloe]

No, it's from another, it's foreign, it's from another planet.

[Sevaz]

They don't know where it's from. It could be from anywhere, right?

[Chloe]

Sure, it could be, but it's not.

[Sevaz]

And by UFO you mean like something like, like some like aliens flying this thing through the air or something? Is that what you believe?

[Chloe]

So do you believe that we're the only planet with living organisms on it in the entire galaxy?

[Sevaz]

Like, living life?

[Chloe]

Well, I'm not saying I have to be humans like you and I, but you just think, like, there's black hole after black hole and galaxy after galaxy. You don't think that there's a possibility?

[Sevaz]

I personally don't. I'm not gonna. I think. I think Earth is such, like. Life on Earth is like, such like a unique thing.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Sevaz]

That it had to be, like, once in a, like, whatever.

[Chloe]

God's design.

[Sevaz]

Yes. God's design. And I don't think.

[Chloe]

But why couldn't God design other things?

[Sevaz]

He could. I don't. I just feel like we would know. There would be more concrete evidence. I haven't seen one piece of evidence where I'm like, okay, now I believe in aliens. Not one thing other than people talking. And I don't know.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Sevaz]

I know you send, like, a lot of these things where, like, people claim they've seen an alien. Like, I remember. Remember when you sent the Miami. The Miami mall thing.

[Chloe]

You don't think the Miami alien mall.

[Sevaz]

Sighting happened was the worst thing I've ever seen ever.

[Chloe]

What? So when was this? It had to be like, oh, New Year's. It was a New Year's.

[Sevaz]

That might have been the worst.

[Chloe]

Miami.

[Rob]

There is a incident at the Miami mall. I don't know what the mall's name is, but I. I literally saw things. 183 police cars showed up to the.

[Sevaz]

Mall.

[Rob]

And there's people running out saying there's aliens. There's some. There's this 8 foot 10 foot tall, black dark shadow figure someone mentioned a.

[Sevaz]

Portal had opened up.

[Chloe]

Shut up, Savas.

[Sevaz]

That is.

[Chloe]

No, no, I know you're not going to like the portal situation. Savaz. The. You're telling me 183 cops got called to the Miami mall.

[Sevaz]

It was because there was a. They thought it was an active shooter in there.

[Chloe]

Have you ever seen, like, let's just say God forbid there was. Have you ever seen 183 cop cars.

[Sevaz]

Go from active shooter legitimately counting every.

[Chloe]

If that was in the report from the state.

[Sevaz]

Okay. They're not counting the amount of cop cars in the dam. That is insane.

[Chloe]

I say he does. He just won't believe.

[Sevaz]

Do you believe that there was an alien in that mall?

[Chloe]

Yes. And there was not, a hundred percent, because something happened. All their phones. What? Aliens have, like, energetic devices and they can shut everything down.

[Sevaz]

Saz, with all these cell phones, you don't think Somebody could just take out a cell phone, a camera.

[Chloe]

I just told you what happened.

[Sevaz]

They have a special devices.

[Chloe]

Yes, and energetically it. Rob and I both believe there thousand percent. And let me also tell you, if it wasn't real, why do we never talk about it again? People, they bury it. New Year's Day, the mall. Are we okay?

[Sevaz]

I think people don't talk about it because it was not real and it was so crazy.

[Chloe]

No, it was real. Why were 183 cop cars called there?

[Sevaz]

Because they thought it was an active. It was a bunch of kids causing a ruckus. They thought maybe there was a shooting type of situation.

[Chloe]

I've never seen 183 cop cars called to a shooting situation.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, but it's a big mall, like, I don't know, they probably want to surround the whole mall and 183. That could just be a random number that people threw up.

[Chloe]

Okay? There's no way, you know, convincing this guy of any.

[Sevaz]

That is insane.

[Chloe]

So have you heard how you're really not going to like this? That aliens and humans have crossbred?

[Sevaz]

Oh my God. I. I haven't heard this. What do they say?

[Chloe]

Like that they get alien DNA and they put it in a human.

[Sevaz]

Okay.

[Chloe]

And they have a baby and.

[Sevaz]

But who's.

[Chloe]

I don't know. I don't know who they is, but there's supposedly alien human crossbreeds and they know who they are. Like the government follows them and has been monitoring them.

[Sevaz]

Never heard of that. That sounds insane.

[Chloe]

It does sound insane, but almost so insane that it's real.

[Sevaz]

But I just feel like again, all this stuff is happening and nobody has a picture of anything, a video of anything.

[Chloe]

Well, we have UFO photos, but you think they're not real?

[Sevaz]

A flashing light and you think, oh, it's a UFO flying.

[Chloe]

So Dr. Stephen Greer, who I had on the alien expert guy, you're telling me he's just making up what his position is in the government?

[Sevaz]

I mean, I don't want to talk about him.

[Chloe]

So anyone that works, like people that do those documentaries that are in the government currently. I've seen a few of them. They're a Navy Seal for 30 years, whatever the case may be. You're telling me they're making it up?

[Sevaz]

I just. I would go to them and I would say, okay, show me one piece of concrete evidence where you could say, look, an alien exists, or look, a ufo. Like this is like a flying. I don't know, whatever. Something from another planet.

[Chloe]

This guy, Sean Ryan, he's like super legit to me. A no nonsense type of guy. He's a podcast and he talks about this kind of stuff. He has people on in the military. I think he's ex military and he like they've talk about things. I don't know why these people would all be making up again.

[Sevaz]

What do they like, where's their evidence? Aside from they can't have any.

[Chloe]

When you go into these classified buildings, you think they're letting you bring your cell phone?

[Sevaz]

I mean, what are they gonna do? Like you don't search you, but you're also saying like people are cross breeding this that like.

[Chloe]

Right. How do we have proof of that?

[Sevaz]

Has somebody said they seen that with their own eyes?

[Chloe]

Yes, I just watched this. Oh God, I wish I save every thing I see. When you say overwhelm me with footage, I'm gonna start just sending it.

[Sevaz]

No, you legitimately send 20 things at once and I just click on one random one and I'll be okay. She's nuts.

[Chloe]

There's aliens and you're nuts. So what's Area 51?

[Sevaz]

That's just like a lot of classified documents are in there, but I don't think it's like alien stuff. It's like stuff with the government and this and that.

[Chloe]

You're exhausting, you're exhausted.

[Sevaz]

Do they say there's alien stuff in there?

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Sevaz]

Nobody actually says it. I think people like assume. Has it ever like confirmed I've been there?

[Chloe]

Well, they wouldn't let me in, but I've been there. And there was sand snipers and they took our footage from keeping up. Cause we were close. Yes, it was terrifying. And we had a man who claimed he was abducted by aliens in our RV with us. And when we got close to Area 51, he was vomiting, he was spiraling, he was like, let me off, let me off. And we were like, oh my God, where did this guy come? We didn't know this guy. We were so freaked out. And on the way to Area 51, they have like souvenir shops of all alien stuff that like random people put together. Aliens are known to be there.

[Sevaz]

This sounds insane. You sound crazy. He claimed he was abducted by aliens.

[Chloe]

He wrote a book about it. He went missing for like five days and then randomly they found him again.

[Sevaz]

He was probably in Hawaii on the beach or something.

[Chloe]

It does sound crazy, but it happened. So do I really want to get your thoughts on Antarctica?

[Sevaz]

What's. What did they say about it?

[Chloe]

So Antarctica is the only continent in the world I think there's like 50 something treaties that have been signed that no one will ever build or go to Antarctica unless it's known through the government. Like you have to get government approval. You can't just go there. If I'm not mistaken, we can't just fly over Antarctica without anyone being notified or you'll be like shot down. Why is Antarctica the only place that no one is allowed to go unless you get government clearance?

[Sevaz]

What are you gonna say? There's aliens there or something?

[Chloe]

There's portals. I believe there's portals there.

[Sevaz]

Like portals. What? That would lead you. Like some, like you go in the.

[Chloe]

Portal and they're like, we don't know Savaz. But they also say that there's like. It's the place where something is there. I'm gonna say aliens. And there was this like. There was a scientific research group that went to Antarctica to do something. They got lost and somewhat Americans went out to rescue them. They were found and they were put on a plane back to America. And they would not speak and they would not speak about what they saw. And they were so traumatized and scarred and they've never spoken about what they saw. That's weird. What are these people seeing? I don't like that you're laughing at me and I'm calling Rob.

[Sevaz]

That sounds crazy.

[Chloe]

Hi. I'm doing my podcast and Sevaz is with me and he's pissing me off. So what is tell him about Antarctica? Because he doesn't believe that there's anything shady with Antarctica.

[Additional Guest]

He knows everything that's going on. He just doesn't believe it.

[Sevaz]

No. That one I've never heard. Genuinely?

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Additional Guest]

That there's aliens in Antarctica. Is that what you're talking about?

[Chloe]

Yep. And how every nation in the world has agreed to not let whatever civilization happen there. When has every nation agreed on anything?

[Sevaz]

But you don't think somebody would just risk their lives and just go try to get there and try to get some.

[Additional Guest]

Like there's been people. I believe that.

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Sevaz]

And what happened to them?

[Chloe]

They die.

[Sevaz]

They get shot or something. I don't know.

[Chloe]

They freeze. They get abducted by the aliens, whatever. And oh my gosh. And he doesn't believe the aliens at the mall.

[Sevaz]

That one is the worst one I think ever.

[Additional Guest]

That one I can understand why he wouldn't believe it.

[Chloe]

But Roberts, don't ruin this for me.

[Additional Guest]

It could have been a lot of different things.

[Chloe]

You're telling me. 183 Rob, you were the one that riled me up about this one.

[Sevaz]

No.

[Additional Guest]

I did not. But at that time maybe.

[Chloe]

Yes, of course. Listen, okay, what about Malaysia Air? So sad.

[Additional Guest]

I mean there's.

[Sevaz]

There's always stories. Yeah, there's no.

[Chloe]

But what happened in. But why has there not been any coincidence? So you guys. So where's Malaysia Air? Where's the plane? Where's any piece of the plane to me.

[Additional Guest]

Oh, you're talking about.

[Chloe]

I'm not talking about the Brazilian plane. I know what you're. That's the one where for some reason.

[Sevaz]

Every time a plane crashes, somehow there's somebody on that plane that was like going to cure some type of cancer.

[Chloe]

Well, the one In Brazil had 20 doctors going.

[Sevaz]

No, but it's. I just think they make these stories up to make it like. Like people like you.

[Chloe]

Sevaz. The Brazilian plane, there was 20 different people going to a cancer seminar.

[Sevaz]

I've seen that.

[Chloe]

To talk about cancer research and like provide a cure. The plane fell out of the sky like it was paper. It just plummeted. That just disappeared. And no one has seen a body. No one has found a thing.

[Sevaz]

So who do you think is orchestrating this?

[Chloe]

Well, the Brazilian plane, I'm assuming the people who benefit from people being sick with cancer. Malaysian Air rumor is a UFO abducted.

[Sevaz]

Oh my God. You don't believe that, do you, Robert?

[Additional Guest]

I don't know.

[Sevaz]

One interesting conspiracy I think is how pyramids were. Were made. That one, I'm genuinely confused.

[Chloe]

Conspiracy?

[Sevaz]

I mean, you believe like, okay, that one.

[Chloe]

Do you believe in giants?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

No.

[Chloe]

The bat in the book of giants.

[Sevaz]

Like you mean like somebody that's like 75 or something?

[Chloe]

75 is not a giant.

[Sevaz]

What are you saying, like 20ft tall?

[Chloe]

That's a normal human in today's day and age. Giants, they were in the Bible that giants existed. There's architecture that's still around in from hundreds of years ago that were like 40 foot doors. Giants existed. I've never heard that in the Bible. What if they had something to do with helping with pyramids?

[Sevaz]

I have never heard that. But I mean I could see like some type of situation where it's like, no, nothing.

[Additional Guest]

I mean there was definitely giants.

[Chloe]

I definitely believe in giants.

[Sevaz]

I mean, I don't know, like how tall are these people?

[Chloe]

Well, I didn't measure them, but.

[Sevaz]

But if you're saying like what, like 50ft tall or something?

[Chloe]

Maybe.

[Sevaz]

I don't know if I believe that.

[Chloe]

Okay, what about the idea that pyramids could have been done through alien technology? So it's etched in Egyptian carvings, aliens, alien faces. When they open up Some burial things, they look like alien, like. Okay, so what's your answer for that?

[Sevaz]

I mean, to me, that just looks like art. People were just bored and just start.

[Chloe]

But you don't think everything that we see had to be someone's reality at some point?

[Sevaz]

It could, it could. I mean, but a lot of it tells stories too.

[Chloe]

And what's the story?

[Sevaz]

The stories are left to interpretation. Right. So it's like.

[Chloe]

But an alien is pretty identifiable.

[Sevaz]

I know, but maybe they just were bad artists and they just couldn't like.

[Chloe]

Oh my God, Rob. It just doesn't end.

[Sevaz]

But my explanation to how pyramids were made would be like some type of pulley situation where it's like they get elephants, put some big ropes on it.

[Chloe]

The precision of a pyramid. Do you understand?

[Sevaz]

I know. That's the part I don't understand.

[Chloe]

How it lines up with. Perfectly with the stars. Do you guys know the poles that were found in the ground? Oh my gosh. That were. And how weird that no one talks about it again.

[Sevaz]

What were the poles about?

[Chloe]

It's like something that's not the pole. The pyramid.

[Additional Guest]

It says. Nikola Tesla believed the Egyptian pyramids were ancient energy devices, not tombs built to harness and transmit power using the earth's natural electromagnetic fields.

[Chloe]

Okay, and then him, how they killed his ass and took all of his trunk of recipes for science stuff. So they discovered, just this last year, they discovered all of these huge poles that are living underneath the pyramids that they never knew about and no one can understand. These are kilometers underneath the ground. How would they know to even do that?

[Sevaz]

I mean, they were smart, clearly. If you're building a pyramid, do you.

[Chloe]

Know what this would take to do?

[Sevaz]

I know, but I just.

[Chloe]

All these hidden structures. Hidden structures beneath the Great Pyramid of Giza. No one knew this until this last year. What? How would they have the technology? How do they have the. They didn't have tools to dig that kilometers into the ground.

[Sevaz]

That is crazy. But I think that it had like thousands of people working at the same time.

[Chloe]

There's a different time. Vertically aligned. They're perfectly aligned. This is like not even possible.

[Sevaz]

So what's your explanation?

[Chloe]

It's not man made. Or the giants helped you think they.

[Sevaz]

Just carry rocks on the show? Like. All right.

[Chloe]

Yes. Okay. Love you. Rob, dare I ask your theory on mermaids?

[Sevaz]

Mermaids? There's no. Let's not start.

[Chloe]

No.

[Sevaz]

You believe that they're real humans living underwater? Is that what you're trying to say?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Sevaz]

There's no way that you believe that that's insane.

[Chloe]

I did.

[Sevaz]

I mean, we would find that. We would.

[Chloe]

I mean, no, we wouldn't. We just. I read last week, ooh, two new species of sharks have been discovered. Like what?

[Sevaz]

Yeah, because they say we only know.

[Chloe]

Like what, 80, no, 81% of our waters is unchartered.

[Sevaz]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

That's crazy.

[Sevaz]

We don't know that's crazy.

[Chloe]

So why it. Why? Here's my thing. I come from a place of anything's possible. You come from a place of nothing's possible. So.

[Sevaz]

Yes.

[Chloe]

Are there aliens? Anything's possible if we're here. Are there mermaids? Anything's possible if I'm here.

[Sevaz]

I just need to see some evidence.

[Chloe]

Robots do drive you. There's driverless cars.

[Sevaz]

Crazy. It's crazy.

[Chloe]

50 years ago, if I told you, no, you're going to have a car with no driver, but it's going to get you from A to Z, you'd be like, fuck off.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, that, that, that is insane. I'm not going to lie. Self driving cars, even this, even what cell phones do right now, it's like kind of insane.

[Chloe]

Like if someone asked me from, if I went to the past and someone was like, if I had to prove I was from the future and someone was like, if I'm like, you know, you can use a phone and it will call people and they're gonna be like, how does it work?

[Sevaz]

It doesn't make any sense.

[Chloe]

I don't know how to explain to someone how a cell phone works.

[Sevaz]

Me neither. That's.

[Chloe]

I really don't. So I would sound crazy. I think the same thing goes for. I don't know how to explain how aliens and mermaids exist, but I think they do.

[Sevaz]

It's a good perspective. That is a good perspective. But I don't know.

[Chloe]

There's a possibility they can, is my point. Like, why be so. Like. No, that's, that's not possible.

[Sevaz]

The idea of aliens just seems like something just so crazy that I don't know, I would have to see it to believe it. Okay, so you believe on life on other planets, right? Yeah. Like, do you think they're building like a. It's like actual life?

[Chloe]

Well, I don't know. No, I don't know exactly to what degree I believe. I just believe there's so many solar systems, there's so many different galaxies that we just, we thought it was what, our nine planets orbiting the sun and that was it. Then we discovered black hole after black hole and it takes you into different galaxies, yada yada, and then there's different solar systems. Who's to say there's not life on another planet? I'm just saying. Who's to say?

[Sevaz]

I would say this. Do I believe it? No. If it happened to come out that it was true, I would not be just stunned. So I'll say that, like, I'd be.

[Chloe]

Like, oh, okay, so we're slowly breaking down the wall.

[Sevaz]

See how you could think like that? But I just don't believe it because I haven't seen it. It's like, it's like humans flying. Like if. If you told me a human's gonna fly, I would say, no way. Now, if it happened, I'll be like, holy smoke, this is insane.

[Chloe]

I don't think we can fly.

[Sevaz]

No, but if it eventually happened, let's.

[Chloe]

Say, like, which 200 pack?

[Sevaz]

I don't know, but something happened.

[Chloe]

We're going to adapt to flying, right?

[Sevaz]

Yeah. That one is crazy.

[Chloe]

So far. You don't believe in one thing. I believe in. Do you know who Bigfoot is?

[Sevaz]

Of course.

[Chloe]

Oh, I don't know. You don't know? Head, shoulders, knees and toes. What are your thoughts on Bigfoot?

[Sevaz]

Fake, obviously.

[Chloe]

But why, why can't he be real?

[Sevaz]

I mean, what is this, like. It's like a big bear looking thing.

[Chloe]

What if. What if you're telling me someone just made up one day there's this big hairy thing in the house?

[Sevaz]

No. That's literally what they did.

[Chloe]

And then it just. Do you know what the Loch Ness monster is?

[Sevaz]

Yes.

[Chloe]

Do you believe in that? No, I believe in all of that.

[Sevaz]

Do you believe in unicorns?

[Chloe]

Obviously.

[Sevaz]

Really?

[Chloe]

I mean, I would like to. That's the only one that I don't really think is real, but I, in my head, want to fantasize in real life. I don't believe it's real, but I do wish that one was real.

[Sevaz]

To me. That's what all these are, barefoot fantasies. Bigfoot, whatever his name is. Yeah, it's all. It's all made up stories.

[Chloe]

No, I think Bigfoot is real.

[Sevaz]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

I mean, I do.

[Sevaz]

But don't you think somebody would have caught a pitch? I think in this time, how many people on Earth? Eight billion people. You don't think. And there's that many cell phones, you don't think one person would catch one good picture of it? I've seen what you did on your show.

[Additional Guest]

What?

[Sevaz]

Dressed up as a.

[Chloe]

As a. Oh, the bear. Yeah. But just like, what if there's only three left in the entire world and they're in Hiding and nobody's gonna see it. And what if the other animals were like, okay, it's now time.

[Sevaz]

Oh my God.

[Chloe]

Do you think animals can communicate with each other?

[Sevaz]

Yeah. Between each other?

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Sevaz]

I mean like a dog and a dog probably, yeah.

[Chloe]

Oh. I think all animals know how to communicate with each other.

[Sevaz]

Oh my God.

[Chloe]

Like a lion and like a sheep.

[Sevaz]

Really?

[Chloe]

They communicate via animal language, whether it be telepathically or, I don't know, energetically.

[Sevaz]

Do you really believe that?

[Chloe]

Yes.

[Sevaz]

Wow.

[Chloe]

Why are humans the only one dogs, you can teach them commands. I definitely think they understand so much more than what we give them credit for. I also know it's scientifically proven that plants and trees, when you play them music, they grow more. Like it's all energetically done. The music is through different hurts and it's energetically what you can receive.

[Sevaz]

But animals lack like logic. Right. They can't reason. Maybe like they don't understand why they like this over that.

[Chloe]

But maybe they're like, that's a trap. Let me avoid that. They're smart.

[Sevaz]

I think it's just hot.

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Sevaz]

But maybe they can't really explain to you why this would be.

[Chloe]

Well, they can't explain anything to us.

[Sevaz]

Right. But they don't. I don't think they have the ability to reason. Right. Like, do you think they understand why they make certain decisions or do you think it's just don't do that.

[Chloe]

I think a lot of things are innate and they're wild animals, so they do things out of like literally innately. Let's just like how they were born. But there's been many times that you hear situations where a human either gets lost in the jungle and a pack of wolves literally protects that baby. Or monkeys. I've seen a story or you've seen a monkey fall in in a cage at the zoo and the mommy monkey protects the baby until someone comes and get it. I think innately they're like, okay, I want to protect this being. I don't know why. Even though it's different than me. Or they can. I read something about the lions in Africa with a baby and it protected this child. And then all they finally found the kid and it was surrounded by like a circle of lions. Like some because they know, like, hey, that's like a little kid. I'm not saying that's going to happen every time.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chloe]

But there are some cases that I do think animals either sense a situation or they. Some have more understanding than others. I don't know. But I Don't think they're just all.

[Sevaz]

I think they could sense the situation.

[Chloe]

Like brain dead and nothing's happening.

[Sevaz]

Like I know dogs can like if you're sick, a dog will like for sure console you like a little bit. Like just be beside you the whole time. Like I remember my dad was like something was wrong with his foot and the dog would just stay by that foot the whole time, like lick the foot.

[Chloe]

They, it's energetically they sense things. There's so much more. I'm not saying they sit there and have full blown conversations with one another, but they definitely have something that you.

[Sevaz]

Think they could like communicate something to, to each other?

[Chloe]

Yes, for a fact. I mean like I'm, I'm the leader of the pact. We're all going to respect it. Like they're so fucking smart.

[Sevaz]

No, they're. Animals are super smart. But I don't think they could reason. Like, I don't think like for example, like if a dog walked up to a fire, it would obviously get burnt and it would learn that to walk near a fire you're going to get burned. Whereas a human, we know we're going to get burned but we could still walk in the fire. I don't think a dog can reason like that. Does that make sense? Like if I see a fire, a human knows not to go near the fire. But you can make the decision to actually go in the fight. If we wanted to, obviously we wouldn't. But if we want.

[Chloe]

I think if wolf can do the same thing. I don't think it goes up to it. It senses that it's really hot. I'm not going to go in it. But if it needed to jump through a ring of fire, I don't know if it would.

[Sevaz]

I don't know if it would maybe, but I don't think it would.

[Chloe]

Have you seen Dancing with Wolves?

[Sevaz]

No, it's a movie.

[Chloe]

It's an old movie. So have you like ever seen a ghost or felt.

[Sevaz]

I don't believe in ghosts. I believe in like spirits. I don't believe in ghosts. The difference, I don't think, I think a ghost is something that people created that's like, like you see something moving.

[Chloe]

Like, okay, you could see like so what's a spirit?

[Sevaz]

A spirit is a feeling. Like you could feel somebody's spirit.

[Chloe]

Okay. Have you had an inner counter with a spirit?

[Sevaz]

Not in my lifetime though. Like I haven't really had knock on wood, like too many people like pass away in my life.

[Chloe]

That's good, right?

[Sevaz]

At least people that I'm, like, super close with.

[Chloe]

That's great. But you. So when I tell you all the stories that I have with ghosts and spirits, you just think I'm a lunatic?

[Sevaz]

Yeah. Remember when we were working out, you thought that the weight moved and it did. There's no way it did. It was probably one of us that did it with some. We did. We weren't even thinking about it, but, yeah. You believe in ghosts?

[Chloe]

One zillion.

[Sevaz]

Didn't you say there was a ghost in your. Like a. A child or something?

[Chloe]

Yeah. At the rental house. She rubbed my hair.

[Sevaz]

There's no way she did.

[Chloe]

It was the scariest thing. I never slept with the light off ever since.

[Sevaz]

What. So what happened in that situation?

[Chloe]

I was sleeping. It was at that rental house that I still had in the Oaks. And there was, like, a hallway that. Like, from Tru's room to my room. And it was a little narrow hallway. And it was out of wood. So I could hear footsteps. And you could hear the difference between a child's footsteps and an adult footsteps. And. But Tru was still in a crib. And she's never got out of her crib. So I heard someone walking down. And I was like, true. And then I looked at the monitor and she was still asleep. So I was like, that's weird. So I just laid back down. And it was like the middle of the night. And I shut my eyes. And then I felt something do this. And rub.

[Sevaz]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe]

Her fingers from the top. And I could feel it was a small hand and rubbed my head. And I remember closing my eyes going, please don't be there. Please don't be there. Please don't be there. I opened my eyes. Nothing was there. I was so freaked out. And then I remember being like, hello. And looking around. It was Alexa. How many things happened with the little girl at that house? A lot. A lot. They were there. The Jacuzzi was completely drained. With a Barbie doll at the very bottom of the Jacuzzi. Like, murder.

[Sevaz]

It was probably like somebody that threw it in there. Just wasn't even thinking.

[Chloe]

Where'd the water go? Bathing suit went missing. Yes.

[Sevaz]

There's no way you guys believe this.

[Chloe]

Do you believe this even at this house? How many encounters have happened at this house? Terrell as a witness.

[Sevaz]

Really?

[Chloe]

And that's different person in a different home.

[Sevaz]

So I'm gonna show you how our mind plays tricks on us. Like, I had a similar story where, like, when I would go to sleep. This is maybe like, as early as. Like, a year And a half ago, I would go to sleep at night, I would hear walking, like on the roof.

[Chloe]

That's because someone's on.

[Sevaz]

No. So look, I'm thinking, okay, what the hell is up there? There's a raccoon or something up there. I didn't know what the hell. I wasn't thinking. Ghost. The pest control guy came. I said, there's definitely something up there. You gotta look. I don't know.

[Chloe]

It's not something the pest control can get.

[Sevaz]

No, but hear me out. So he. So he goes up there, he's like, there's not. I blocked out everything. I don't see any signs of like, raccoons or like rats or anything. Like, okay, what the hell? So I go back to sleep. Maybe like a week later, again, the walking happens. I'm like, what the hell? So I go on the camera and this is maybe like at 6am you.

[Chloe]

Have a camera on the roof?

[Sevaz]

No, no, I go on the cameras just to see is there like somebody like on the roof or something? I'm just trying to see. And you know what I see? A reflection, a shadow of a bird, a huge bird that was like just walking on the roof. And it would just. For some reason, it was like a black hawk that would constantly.

[Chloe]

Footsteps made you think there was a human up there?

[Sevaz]

I'm saying that it was. They were so heavy. I couldn't believe that that is the sound that I would hear.

[Chloe]

So.

[Sevaz]

But that's how crazy our brains. I would have thought it was a. Like, if I didn't do that, I'm thinking it's a ghost up there.

[Chloe]

Okay, so that's your encounter. Mine have been. Have you ever felt a human sit on the edge of your bed while your eyes are shut? You feel when the mattress caves in a little, and then you wake up, you open your eyes and nothing's there. Like it's.

[Sevaz]

That's trippy.

[Chloe]

But have you had that?

[Sevaz]

No.

[Chloe]

What I think also if you're open to receiving, it will happen like that too. And I think you're so against receiving any of this stuff that like, you're not going to get any sign you get. You're going to rationalize it for sure. Right?

[Sevaz]

Like, if I don't believe in ghosts, a ghost can't like haunt me or.

[Chloe]

Like, well, nothing can haunt me because I don't give it power to haunt me.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Right.

[Sevaz]

But I won't even.

[Chloe]

Right. It's not even a belief. My house, there's definite shit. Like the other night, literally last week, True was Asleep in my bed. And I was like, I still wanted to watch tv. And my TV was off. And if I turned it back on, it would have been too bright. So I sat in my little sitting area and I was watching TV on my phone. And I was just sitting in there, and it's like my little desk. A gust of wind went by my head. And I remember going, no, no, no. I said, literally, no, no, no, I can't do this right now. And then I slowly looked around just to be like, what it was. You know when someone walks by you and you feel a gust of wind? It was that feeling. So I was like. And I slowly looked around, and then I go, true. And then no one was there. I opened my door, she's still asleep. And I was like, fuck. Then I went back, I said a prayer. And then I watched my show again. It happened again. And I remember going, okay, I'm gonna go to bed now. And I just went. And I was like, oh, what is in here? It was so distinct of something walking by me. The gust of wind. There's no explanation.

[Sevaz]

Were you high?

[Chloe]

No, I wasn't high.

[Sevaz]

Maybe the AC just turned on or something.

[Chloe]

No, because I even looked. I looked around and I was like, where's the vents? The vents aren't there. And it' not like a surge of wind.

[Sevaz]

Right.

[Chloe]

It was so eerie. And I. Normally I'll feel something, but I'm like, oh, it's a good feeling. This was like. I don't know if I would just. It wasn't negative, but it wasn't a great feeling.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, yeah, that's true.

[Chloe]

I just didn't like it. So I literally said a prayer and I was like, okay, I'm going to bed. You have fun out here.

[Sevaz]

And I think it's because you believe in the stuff that this happens or.

[Chloe]

I believe in anything.

[Sevaz]

No, that's the problem. See, I don't believe in this stuff. So if I feel a gust of wind, I'll just be like, oh, the AC turned on. I'm going back.

[Chloe]

At one in the morning when the house is crickets. You wouldn't find that to be suspicious?

[Sevaz]

It's definitely happened to me something like that in my lifetime. But I feel like it's just like, I don't know, it's in your head or something. You might be in a dream.

[Chloe]

No, I was awake. I was watching, I think, Real Housewives on my phone. I was, like, very awake. Well, Sez, I can do this for hours and hours with you. Number one, I am so honored that I am your first podcast.

[Sevaz]

Stop it. I'm honored.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I am.

[Chloe]

For like the rest of your life. You're gonna remember me. You will. And this was fun. I have so many more to we.

[Sevaz]

Gotta do this again do with you.

[Chloe]

But I think we need to get into more depth. I need to like, have videos that will explain it more to you. Cause I'm not good at explaining these things. Cause I'm in such rabbit holes with them.

[Sevaz]

Watch the comment section just destroy us. Like, oh, they don't know what they're talking about.

[Chloe]

Oh, I'm. I don't have a clue what I'm talking about at all. But this is the fun.

[Sevaz]

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Chloe]

It's just about bantering. And I also think today people get so afraid to talk. But like, that's the point. You just loosely have fucking conversation and you learn about things or you don't. I'm not that deep.

[Sevaz]

I agree. It's not that serious.

[Chloe]

It's not that serious. But thank you for being on Chloe in Wonderland.

[Sevaz]

That was an honor. This is amazing. And it's a beautiful room.

[Chloe]

Thank you.