No F*cks Given ft. Kylie Jenner

Summary

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Khloé in Wonder Land – "No F*cks Given" ft. Kylie Jenner

Date: November 12, 2025
Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Kylie Jenner

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Episode Overview

This episode of “Khloé in Wonder Land” is a rollicking, candid, and deeply personal conversation between sisters Khloé Kardashian and Kylie Jenner. From tequila shots to tears of nostalgia, the two unpack the realities of sisterhood, motherhood, personal fears, boundaries, and ambitions—with plenty of signature Kardashian-Jenner humor and unfiltered banter. Kylie reflects on 10 years of Kylie Cosmetics, shares her rarely-discussed fears, and the pair delve into the joys and challenges of raising their kids side by side.

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Key Themes & Discussion Points

1. Sisterly Bond & Behind-the-Scenes

• Getting Kylie on the Podcast
  • Khloé reveals this was the fourth attempt to have Kylie on, emphasizing timing is everything [01:32].
  • Kylie admits, “I felt like you needed to have non-family members on first to solidify your place in the podcast world” [02:06].
• Candidness and Comfort
  • The sisters open up with alcohol-fueled honesty, promising unfiltered conversation: “We’re not here to be proper. Fuck you, bitch, I don’t need to be proper” [04:21].

2. Childhood Memories & Family Stories

• Earliest Memories

  • Kylie emotionally recalls Khloé helping her count her birthday age on her fingers at age 4 [08:44].

  • Recollections of Khloé’s near-fatal car crash as a teen, highlighting vulnerability and family support [10:23].

  • Memorable Quote:

    “I remember you healing at home. I remember that was, like, very significant... You and mad with your neck brace.” – Kylie [12:24]

• Khloé as Authority Figure

  • Khloé recalls closely monitoring Kylie and Kendall’s early social media presence:

    “You needed our password. If you violated not giving me the password…” [16:37]

  • Kylie thanks Khloé for being the “disciplinary” who helped her grow up “safe” online [16:51].

3. Motherhood & Growing Together

• Pregnancy at the Same Time

  • The sisters reminisce about discovering their simultaneous pregnancies:

    “Going from you helping me count my birthday on my fingers to being pregnant together...who could have planned it better? God.” – Kylie [19:10]/[20:19]

  • How being mothers together shaped their bond and made Khloé feel safe becoming a mom again [20:19].

• Adapting to Motherhood

  • Kylie discusses the shift from independence to putting her kids’ needs first [21:32].
  • Khloé praises Kylie’s innate maternal instincts, going back to the way she cared for her childhood dog, Dolce [22:18].

4. Personal Identity & Self-Care

• Maintaining Identity as Moms

  • Kylie talks about balancing motherhood and selfhood, especially as a young mother:

    “It took me like a year, probably after both times, to really feel like myself again.” [25:14]

• Understanding Their Own Mom

  • Both sisters admit that motherhood gave them new empathy for Kris Jenner and her decisions, leading to closer relationships [25:30].

5. Differences & Similarities in Parenting Styles

• Khloé vs. Kylie
  • Khloé: More regimented, strict about routines like naps and bedtimes [30:04].
  • Kylie: More go-with-the-flow—“they can stay 30 more minutes at Disneyland, it’s fine” [30:13].

6. Personal Growth, Boundaries & Mental Wellness

• Setting Boundaries

  • Kylie, alongside Kourtney, is recognized for strong boundaries and sticking to them without guilt [42:32].
  • Khloé admits she’s learning to embrace boundaries as she ages [42:43].
  • Memorable exchange:

    “You and court are the best at having whatever boundaries...You’re like, ‘No, I’m not bending for anyone.’...I wish I didn’t feel guilty about everything.” – Khloé [43:11]

• Who They Turn To

  • Kylie says she often calls Khloé when spiraling, especially during challenging moments (e.g., when their daughters experienced hair loss) [43:33].

7. Life Outside the Spotlight: TV, Superstitions, and Rituals

• Favorites and Self-Reflection
  • Kylie's “Roman Empire” is aliens, sparked by seeing ‘Signs’ as her first scary movie [05:56].
  • Addictions: TikTok animal videos, funny falls, and family group chats [07:25].
• Superstitions & Crystals
  • Kylie is “more spiritual than superstitious,” keeps fears to herself, and believes in the power of the tongue:

    “I keep things inside my deepest fears in my head...I won’t say them out loud.” [41:19]

8. Peak & Pit: Weekly Highs and Lows

• Pit: Mourning the loss of her dog, Norman, which coincided with the anniversary of King Kylie [33:14].
• Peak: Launching the King Kylie collection—a decade of Kylie Cosmetics [33:44].

9. Career: Music, Acting, and Vision Boards

• Creative Freedom

  • Kylie reflects on pop stardom and creative explorations, noting her ventures into music and acting were major steps outside her comfort zone [35:03]/[36:32].

  • She credits vision boards for manifesting her milestones—and plans to dream even bigger [36:12].

    • Notable Quote:

      “I would do it if it was the right thing—the right role. I think I’m hilarious...I’d want to do something funny.” – Kylie [39:47]

  • Kim helped Kylie rehearse lines for her acting debut:

    “She was like, ‘You got this. This is so easy.’” – Kylie [38:17]

10. Playful Moments & Family Pranks

• Pranking the Family
  • The sisters try a viral prank: “Did you mean to post that on Instagram?” causing Kris to panic about a (fake) nude selfie leak [51:58–54:32].
• Never Have I Ever
  • The two play a confessional game, admitting to ignoring family calls and googling themselves [57:10].

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Khloé to Kylie, on sisterhood:

  “You’re my bitch forever and always.” [59:28]

• Kylie, on creative risks:

  “No fucks were given before—no fucks are given now. I don’t really care what people have to say. I think I’ve had goals and dreams in my life, and why would I let anyone else’s opinions stop me?” [61:00]

• Kylie, on new chapters:

  “The 30s look like my children will be 10 and that’s crazy. I think my 30s... my goal for the next year—I have, I mean, Kylie Cosmetics is my baby...but I’d do another acting job, and I do want to get back in the studio. I just want to enjoy life and try. Why not?” [59:47–60:34]

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Important Timestamps

• [01:32] – Fourth attempt to get Kylie on the podcast
• [05:56] – Kylie’s Roman Empire: Aliens, ‘Signs’ movie origin
• [08:44] – Kylie's earliest memory with Khloé; childhood stories
• [10:23] – Khloé’s car accident retelling
• [16:36] – Khloé policing Kylie’s first ventures on social media
• [19:00] – Pregnant together: how it happened, how it felt
• [22:18] – Kylie’s maternal instincts and story of Dolce, her childhood dog
• [25:30] – Motherhood changing view of Kris Jenner
• [30:13] – Differences in Khloé’s and Kylie’s parenting
• [36:32] – Kylie on manifesting acting and singing roles
• [41:19] – Kylie on not speaking fears into existence; superstitions
• [51:58–54:32] – Instagram prank on mom (Kris Jenner)
• [57:10] – “Never Have I Ever” game
• [59:47–60:34] – Kylie on her 30s, family, and future plans
• [61:00] – Kylie and Khloé’s closing statements on not caring what others think

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The Kardashian-Jenner Takeaways

• Authenticity trumps polish. This episode is more about genuine sisterly connection than any media polish—expect laughter, swearing, tears, and affectionate roasting.
• Motherhood is central. Both sisters reflect deeply on how parenting transformed their understanding of themselves and their relationships.
• Boundaries are learned, not inherited. Kylie and Kourtney are labeled the “boundary queens,” and Khloé is using their example to learn healthier limits.
• Growth doesn’t erase vulnerability. Even as global icons, both women openly share fears, insecurities, and nostalgia, finding healing in humor.

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Final Sentiments

Khloé and Kylie close the episode with mutual love and gratitude, both looking forward to future adventures. Kylie sums up her current philosophy: embrace boundaries, pursue your dreams, shake off criticism, and enjoy every bit of the life you build.

• Khloé: “Cheers to us. Cheers and welcome, and thank you for being on Khloé in Wonderful Land.” [61:18]
• Kylie: “I love you. I’m so scared to see this episode.” [61:24]

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Summary prepared by: [Your Podcast Summarizer]

Transcript

[Chloe]

Kylie, you're my bitch.

[Kylie]

I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before.

[Chloe]

Kylie and I are getting so fucked up today.

[Kylie]

Chloe, please.

[Chloe]

What is something that you think about all the time?

[Kylie]

Aliens. The first scary movie I've ever seen was Signs.

[Chloe]

What the fuck is signs? When you're spiraling, who do you text first? When do you mute our family group chat?

[Kylie]

You were always muted.

[Chloe]

What? Truth or Dare.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Will you pick?

[Kylie]

Oh.

[Chloe]

Are you okay?

[Kylie]

Are you okay? I see your eyes watering.

[Chloe]

No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference. What was our bonding experience like? Being pregnant?

[Kylie]

I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time. Okay, let's go.

[Chloe]

Mom.

[Kylie]

Wait. Did you mean to post that on Instagram?

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

Show me. Tell me right now and get it down.

[Chloe]

What are some of your superstitious rituals you do?

[Kylie]

Sorry, I'm applying my lip liner.

[Chloe]

Cheers to us. Cheers and welcome. And thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland.

[Kylie]

I love you.

[Chloe]

I love you.

[Kylie]

So scared to see this episode.

[Chloe]

You are getting nasty right now. Better calm down, Kylie. Hi. Welcome to Wonderland. Thank you.

[Kylie]

I'm so happy to be happy that you're here. So happy.

[Chloe]

So I don't know if people know and not like, this isn't like a diss.

[Kylie]

No, it's fine.

[Chloe]

But this has been like, the fourth attempt to get Kylie Jenner on the pod and it. But timing is everything.

[Kylie]

Timing is everything because you're here now.

[Chloe]

We'Re present, and Kylie and I are getting so, so up today.

[Kylie]

Yeah, I don't know if we would have done that the other times.

[Chloe]

Yeah, you're right. We wouldn't have. Timing's everything.

[Kylie]

But also, can I have the floor?

[Chloe]

You can say everything.

[Kylie]

Okay. So when you first were doing your podcast, you didn't be successful. That's not true.

[Chloe]

I'm just kidding.

[Kylie]

We had a date to do it. But I felt like. I felt strongly that you needed to have non family members on first to solidify your place in the podcast world.

[Chloe]

Right. Yeah.

[Kylie]

So I felt like you need to do you and then I'll come on.

[Chloe]

You hoes half the time.

[Kylie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chloe]

Right. And also, what I do want to say to all the viewers and listeners.

[Kylie]

Is that I need to get something off my chest. Oh, my God. I'm like wasted.

[Chloe]

Breaking news. Me too.

[Kylie]

It's hitting me.

[Chloe]

So Kylie and I, before we started recording, we shared a shot together.

[Kylie]

Like, what the fuck is going to happen this whole time?

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Okay.

[Chloe]

But Kylie and I don't really drink that much anymore. And half a shot of vodka and half a martini really us up. Oh, yeah. It's also like, when the olives slap you in the face, you know, it's a big deal.

[Kylie]

I'm like, so, like, what's happening?

[Chloe]

But what I did want to say is that. So Kylie and I shot a YouTube video together. Everyone has seen it because it's, like, the most viral sensation.

[Kylie]

It's definitely the best, most watched video.

[Chloe]

On YouTube, but we did that ages ago. So in honor of that video, we did a YouTube video for your YouTube channel, where Kylie and I were so drunk, I literally blacked out in the garage here, which is crazy. And Kylie's security to take me home. When I had to fucking hold it together for security, I felt like I was like, hello, sir. How are you? I don't know why. Like, I literally had, like, an accent.

[Kylie]

When it was like. Well, that's when I was drinking personally a lot more. And in the video. Go. I took six shots. Chloe took five shots. We're gonna start the video. I've taken one shot, and I'm like, not okay.

[Chloe]

Half of one with me.

[Kylie]

Yeah, that's true.

[Chloe]

And Kylie and I, we're here. We have all of Kylie cosmetics here because we're here, and we're trying to bring that same energy. But I'm not asking Kylie today. Like, where are you from? Because you're my sister. Like, it's weird if I'm like, so, how was your childhood? So we're just going to ask random, fun questions that probably most interviewers.

[Kylie]

Fun. It's fucking fun.

[Chloe]

It's fucking fun. And whatever you don't want to answer, say it, bitch. Shut the fuck up. And we don't answer it, and we move on. And these aren't, like, riveting questions because you're my sister, I can ask you things that another interviewer is too afraid to ask you because they need to be like, proper. Fuck you, bitch. I don't need to be proper. And on that note, let's take half a shot.

[Kylie]

You think so? Chloe, please. I'm not okay. How are you okay?

[Chloe]

I'm not okay. But I can read still.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Okay.

[Kylie]

So I'm gonna take a quarter.

[Chloe]

Mm.

[Kylie]

Can I just take a big gulp of my martini? It's like, the same thing.

[Chloe]

Whatever you want to. Okay.

[Kylie]

I also wanted to say, I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

What?

[Kylie]

Right.

[Chloe]

I don't know.

[Kylie]

Whose podcast have I been on?

[Chloe]

Stoss.

[Kylie]

No. I've never been on a podcast before, but I wanted this public announcement. I wanted to start maybe getting on some podcasts, but I couldn't have done that, Say that without going on your.

[Chloe]

Well, yeah, now you're on mine, so, honestly, that's how it should be, though. It's.

[Kylie]

Yeah, duh.

[Chloe]

Okay, Kylie. Kristen Jenner. Why are you scared?

[Kylie]

It's fine.

[Chloe]

Whatever you don't want to talk about, we're not talking about. Okay.

[Kylie]

I'm just so drunk.

[Chloe]

Discuss your Roman Empire. Like, what do you think about? Way too much. What is something it could be the most? Like, I think about the color pink all the time. Whatever it is. What is something that you think about all the time?

[Kylie]

Aliens, maybe?

[Chloe]

Yes. Talk to me.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

What about?

[Kylie]

I just.

[Chloe]

Kylie, you and I, at this moment, just. We got so much deeper.

[Kylie]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Chloe]

No, we just.

[Kylie]

No, this. We relate about this a lot.

[Chloe]

I just love you more and more every day.

[Kylie]

I don't know what it is. Ever since I was a child, I think it's because the first scary movie I've ever seen was Signs.

[Chloe]

What the is science?

[Kylie]

Science?

[Chloe]

I don't know.

[Kylie]

With Joaquin Phoenix.

[Chloe]

I don't know if I know. I have to see.

[Kylie]

Maybe if I show you a photo. But that was the first scary movie I ever saw, and it just gave me this, like, intense fear of aliens. And that would just be something that I think about a lot.

[Chloe]

Do you think that they're. So. Are you afraid of them now?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

So I want to reassure them.

[Kylie]

If aliens were to land on Earth, like. No, but, Kylie, I don't know what. I would have to just.

[Chloe]

Kylie, they are among us. You don't have to be afraid. Dr. Steven Greer already said that the government. Thank you. That they're gonna stage an alien invasion. So don't believe the hype.

[Kylie]

You said they are. They are.

[Chloe]

Dr. Steven Greer said they are. He said the government is gonna try to instill fear in everyone. They're gonna stage an alien invasion. So. Bitch. I'm good. Okay. When you can't fall asleep at night, what is your go to Scrolling app TikTok. What are you looking up or you're just, like, mindlessly?

[Kylie]

It's on my for you page. Yeah.

[Chloe]

And what is, like, your algorithm?

[Kylie]

It's really. It's a lot of animals.

[Chloe]

Okay. Like, wait, wait. Cut to. How many animals do you have?

[Kylie]

So I just got two cats, and I have lots of dogs. I lost count.

[Chloe]

Yeah, you have a ton of dogs.

[Kylie]

But my TikTok scroll is, like, animals. Like, Funny videos of, like, chickens and roosters, I was going to say.

[Chloe]

And you have chickens.

[Kylie]

Lots of. Of cats. I have chickens, too. Lots of cats. And what else is on my for you page? Like, people falling and stuff.

[Chloe]

That's random.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

And that is random. How many group chats do you think you have?

[Kylie]

I. I feel like I only speak in group chats.

[Chloe]

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. So I feel honored when I have an individual conversation with you. Yes.

[Kylie]

Okay, cool. I'm like, oh, this is serious. If Chloe's texting me on the.

[Chloe]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I want to know what are some of your memories of us growing up in the same house? Like, they could be the most random. Like, I don't know, what are, like, the things that come to mind?

[Kylie]

Okay. Do you want to know some of my earliest memories with you?

[Chloe]

I do.

[Kylie]

Okay. We were at the Hidden Hills house. And I remember you were. It was my birthday.

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Kylie]

And we were by the window. I just remember. This was, like, a very early memory, so I just remember we were by a window by the. By the backyard, and you were Ask. You were telling me how old I was turning, and I think I was, like, 4 or something.

[Chloe]

Shut up.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Kylie]

And you were like, hold up your fingers. And you were helping me hold my fingers up.

[Chloe]

Kylie, there's no way you remember this.

[Kylie]

Are you gonna cry?

[Chloe]

No, I need to hear the rest. Cried. Wait, are you okay?

[Kylie]

Are you okay? I see your eyes watering.

[Chloe]

No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference.

[Kylie]

And then I remember. This is a little scarier. Oh, I just remember when you got in your car crash.

[Chloe]

Wait.

[Kylie]

And you were, like, laying in your bed with a neck brace. But I remember.

[Chloe]

These are not the same story, by the way.

[Kylie]

No, this is a different time.

[Chloe]

Okay, so then. So the first memory is. That's so. That's so sweet of me. You were 4, and you were holding.

[Kylie]

Up my fingers to tell me how old I was.

[Chloe]

That's so sweet. You were like my mom. I'm gonna cry just because you're crying.

[Kylie]

I mean, the martinis do the same.

[Chloe]

I don't know why. Okay. And then pause, pause.

[Kylie]

Another memory.

[Chloe]

Memory is.

[Kylie]

I remember you. I remember from my car pass. I think my. When my parents. You know, my mother and my father.

[Chloe]

I know that.

[Kylie]

And they were like, Chloe, they kind of. I remember. They, like, explained to me kind of what happened. And then I went in to see you, and you were, like, laying in bed with a neck brace. Am I wrong?

[Chloe]

No, you're not.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

So at 16 years old, I got into a really bad car accident where an older gentleman ran a red light. I spun out. I went through my car windshield. I had to be removed from the car with the jaws of life is what it's called. I've had three knee surgeries from it. I was in a neck brace. I had, like, 30.

[Kylie]

Your head went through the windshield?

[Chloe]

Yes, my head went through the windshield. And my dad always said. And I remember it was on cold water right before Ventura. My dad's office.

[Kylie]

You never knew where it was?

[Chloe]

I know exactly where it is. If I drive by it, I'm like, oh. I literally start, like, tensing up. Cause I'm like, pay attention. Look all around you. And I remember the stop sign. The man rolled to hit me.

[Kylie]

So it was a stop sign?

[Chloe]

Yes. So Ventura was there. And then right below, it was, like, a stop sign. And to my right. Cause I was driving to my dad's office, and my dad's office was. There was a Jerry's deli in a pins bowling alley. And my dad had an office right before.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

And my. I had a Mercedes. And my onstar immediately called my dad's office. And Kim answered. Cause she was his secretary. And it said, airbag went off. Whatever it says. And Kim ran down. And I kept saying, mom. Mom. And I bl. I have no recollection of that at all. Kim would always say that. And they cut my jeans. And it was the only. I was a little chubbier, so it was the only pair of jeans fit me. And I kept saying, these are the only. Kim told me this. These are the only genes that work. Don't do that to me.

[Kylie]

Oh, wow.

[Chloe]

And I went straight to surgery that day for my knee, but. And I had some memory loss from that incident, and. Yeah. And that was horrible. And then I was put in a neck brace. I had a knee brace from my ankle to my upper thigh for, like, three months. And mom made me go on a date with someone in that time. And I was like. The way I walked into the date, her and Gunner put me on a date with someone. It was, like, the meanest thing.

[Kylie]

I remember you healing at the. At home. I remember that was, like, very significant.

[Chloe]

Yeah, that was. That was.

[Kylie]

And you. And mad with your neck brace.

[Chloe]

That wasn't great. But I'm alive. And praise God.

[Kylie]

Praise God.

[Chloe]

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[Chloe]

Does Kylie remember Chloe sneaking out and getting in trouble? Are those any of your memories? Okay, good.

[Kylie]

I think shielded me from that.

[Chloe]

Thank God.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

So what are your other memories?

[Kylie]

My other memories? They're all positive. You were definitely a strong authority figure in my life. So Chloe's the one that, like, always had my password. I remember I really wanted a Facebook or a MySpace in Twitter. MySpace, Facebook, Twitter were the first three socials. But before I could even have an account, like, you had to sit Kendall and I down. Talk to us about the dangers of social media. You needed our password.

[Chloe]

And if you guys change your passwords, I would always say, I'm coming to find you and I'm taking them off your, like, whatever. You're not allowed to have them. Cause if you violated not giving me the password.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And you guys were so good.

[Kylie]

Yeah, we were.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

I think that saved me from a lot of things probably. I didn't even have the thought that I can do anything bad on social media because I really felt like you were watching that. And then just like, if I would get in trouble, you would take the home phone away from my bedroom. You were definitely, like, I respected you. I don't know who I would have been. I don't know who I would have been today if you weren't there. I remember because you were, like, the discipline, disciplinary in my life.

[Chloe]

Yeah. And I love that. But we also had such a great relationship. Like, I remember when you told me the first person that you had, like, a real serious relationship with. And I remember, like, you would talk about it so freely. I remember exactly where I was. I was actually on the freeway. You called me and you told me all these intimate things. And I remember, like, okay. I had to put the phone down and be like, okay. We just turned a corner, like, thinking to myself, she's not a little girl anymore. But I had to, like, be cool, okay? And not, like, don't blow it, Chloe. Like, let her still tell you things. But I was driving to a basketball game, I think, and I just remember, like, telling myself, okay, be cool. This information isn't great. But now she's, like, dating people. We're okay. We're okay. And I just remember. And you would always come to me with problems, and I took such pride in that. Oh, yeah.

[Kylie]

I didn't know that.

[Chloe]

I. Well, because I literally was like, don't freak out. It's okay. Do you remember the first time you've ever, like, lied to me? I don't really know if you and I have a lying relationship.

[Kylie]

We don't really have a lying relationship, but anytime I would even attempt to, I feel like you would catch me in a lie, like, immediately.

[Chloe]

I feel like we're both.

[Kylie]

I was way too afraid to lie to you.

[Chloe]

Yeah. And you're just. We don't have a lying family. Really?

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Like, I feel like we're. We would just avoid as opposed to lie.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

If that makes sense.

[Kylie]

I agree.

[Chloe]

Oh, yeah. It up, Kylie.

[Kylie]

Cheers to that. We've already cried. We've laughed.

[Chloe]

What was our bonding experience like being pregnant?

[Kylie]

I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time. Never in a million years.

[Chloe]

No.

[Kylie]

Going from you helping me count my birthday on my fingers to being pregnant together. So I think that we embraced it. I think we were. We were. Yeah, we did.

[Chloe]

I remember, like, respectfully, I think Kim was first and she was a surrogate, so she wasn't.

[Kylie]

We really took her shine away really fast.

[Chloe]

We did. And I remember how jealous she was that you and I were pregnant together.

[Kylie]

Oh, yeah. Cause then she was like, fuck, why did I do this?

[Chloe]

Like, why wasn't I pregnant with you? Cause it just would have been like, what an experience. And then you were pregnant. I had not a clue. Obviously, I was pregnant three months after you. And I remember having the barbecue at Mom's. You couldn't be there. You were sick from pregnancy and you were in bed. And when we FaceTimed you, you were like, stop. Are you pregnant? And I remember saying, yes. And it was like, never in a million years. I think that you and I did photo shoots together and so many amazing things, but never in a million years would I think that.

[Kylie]

I know. And God has such a way. Having our sons together. Having our sons together.

[Chloe]

And Kylie is really one of the main reasons why I felt so safe and comfortable having Tatum. Because Kylie was like, come on. Air is six months older than Tatum. And when I was like, crying and like, why is this happening? I can't believe it's happening a second time. And you were like, but God makes no mistakes. And this is supposed to happen. And now our sons get to grow up together, and we in stormy and true. And now we have Tatum and Air. And you were so right.

[Kylie]

Well, who could have planned it better? God, you know, that's it. It was like.

[Chloe]

It's crazy.

[Kylie]

It is crazy.

[Chloe]

It really is crazy.

[Kylie]

And they have each other.

[Chloe]

Thank God. Because who would air be with?

[Kylie]

I don't know.

[Chloe]

No, who would Tatum be with?

[Kylie]

I don't know.

[Chloe]

Right. It's crazy.

[Kylie]

They're so cute. And we have to keep them, like, nice and sensitive because when they're together, they, like. I just sent Chloe a video, like, two days ago, they went to Disneyland, and they were, like, in the cart, like, holding hands like this. They were like this. Around Disneyland, looking.

[Chloe]

They're, like, looking. Enjoying these experiences. I want them to, like, they will.

[Kylie]

Sensitive and close.

[Chloe]

Love each other.

[Kylie]

Yeah, they do.

[Chloe]

What surprised you most about becoming a mom?

[Kylie]

I don't think you realize how selfish you are, like, even the little things until you have kids. Like, leaving the house, just. Yeah, leaving the house.

[Chloe]

Like, even just going to a friend's house.

[Kylie]

It could be going to a friend's house.

[Chloe]

Yeah, you can't do those things anymore.

[Kylie]

Yeah. So I think just little things like that. But also, I was really scared the first time. I was really young.

[Chloe]

I also think that maybe people don't fully know about you is that since you were little, you were the biggest nurturer. And Kylie had a dog named Dolce. And I think you got this dog at seven, maybe younger.

[Kylie]

But around seven, we were in Sherwood, so probably younger. Like, maybe six.

[Chloe]

Maybe six or seven. And the way Kylie was obsessed with this animal and the way, like, normally kids are like, I want a dog. I want a dog. And they're cool for, like, two weeks. And then the kid, like, it's the parent's responsibility. This dog was Kylie's baby.

[Kylie]

I couldn't have sleepovers because I was so obsessed with the dog. And it was. Instead of calling your parents when you're at a sleepover, like, mom, I miss you, it would be like, how's Dolce? Is Dolce okay? I have to come home.

[Chloe]

Yes. So I think innately, Kylie has had this maternal instinct her entire life. And even if people saw it or they didn't see it, like, so obviously a dog and a human are two different things. But you've always had these progressional steps that were so natural to you, and you had this maternal instinct even with your friends. And you're silly and fun and all of that, but the mom, Jean, I don't think there was a lot that needed to change you because you were just like, okay, whenever it happens, I'm ready. I can lock in.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And you? Do you lock in?

[Kylie]

Thank you, babe. Cheers.

[Chloe]

Oh, yeah.

[Kylie]

I mean, I'm still going.

[Chloe]

You better go. What are the difference of these brushes. I. You know what I wish you would do?

[Kylie]

What?

[Chloe]

I wish. Cuz like, for idiots like me who doesn't know makeup, you see how it says Kylie Cosmetics? I wish this said, like, blush brush. I don't give a about your number.

[Kylie]

No, I love that. Thank you for the feedback contour. I also don't want eyeshadow, but I don't want to limit it to. Okay, but on the website it says more information.

[Chloe]

I just. I'm not.

[Kylie]

This is my foundation brush.

[Chloe]

I'm not. Oh, okay. I was gonna use this brush.

[Kylie]

This is the blush brush. This.

[Chloe]

Okay, I need some blush.

[Kylie]

But you can use it for anything. Like, this is my skin tint brush, but I use it for contour.

[Chloe]

I'm just not like a makeup.

[Kylie]

This is the concealer brush. You don't use this.

[Chloe]

I have it, but I wish it said concealer. No, no, no.

[Kylie]

This is the best brush ever for concealer.

[Chloe]

I just need something. I wish these said, like, specifics. That's just my wish. And you could customize it just for me. How do you balance maintaining your personal identity while being a parent?

[Kylie]

I think I have a really good balance.

[Chloe]

You have a great fucking balance.

[Kylie]

I have a really good balance. I think that I definitely still feel like myself. It was really hard for me having kids so young. And you're just the emotions and the.

[Chloe]

Postpartum and probably being the only one in your circle.

[Kylie]

The only one. Iris. That's Iris and I became a lot closer. She's a little bit older than me. She. We had kids together.

[Chloe]

Iris was on the pod.

[Kylie]

She was on the pod. But I think I did a pretty good job. I think it just takes time.

[Chloe]

You did a great job.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

But I do want.

[Kylie]

It took me like a year, probably after both times to really tell like, myself again.

[Chloe]

I think that's normal. Yeah, I think it just takes a minute to, like, get your fucking mojo back.

[Kylie]

No, it does.

[Chloe]

Has being a mom changed how you think about your own childhood or how you view mom?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

In what ways?

[Kylie]

I think that I can relate to her more. I understand maybe some of the decisions that she made. For sure. It's changed my whole relationship with my mom.

[Chloe]

It's interesting because in interviews, if someone asks me, like, has being a mom changed the way you view mom? And I say significantly. And I say, I almost am jealous of Kylie for getting to have. Because I think when you become a mom, you have so much more empathy for your own mother. Like, you understand, wait, we're just humans.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And she's doing the fucking best she knows how to do. Just cause you're a mom or a doctor, we put so much, like, power with these people and like, they're still normal human beings that, like, yes, we view them as superheroes, but doesn't necessarily mean they are. And they're just like, our mom had us in her young 20s or had the older ones in the young 20s. And then if she makes mistakes, that's okay. We're allowed to give her grace and forgiveness. And so the fact that you get that understanding so young, your relationship with mom gets to be so close from such an early age, where I feel like mom and I butted heads a lot when I was a teenager.

[Kylie]

When I was a teenager too, though, really. Like, before I moved out the house, I couldn't wait to get the fuck out of there.

[Chloe]

I feel like you and mom, you were, like, always a mommy's girl.

[Kylie]

Her nickname, me and Stoss lived. Stoss lived with me. Basically. Her nickname was Dark Shadows. And every time she would walk in the door, we'd be like, dark fucking Shadows is home. Like, we. Like, I had such a hard time.

[Chloe]

We.

[Kylie]

But I shouldn't understand. I mean, you know, me as a human being, I'm very type. Her name was what?

[Chloe]

Satan? Yeah, exactly.

[Kylie]

But I'm very type.

[Chloe]

B. Yeah. No, there's no A.

[Kylie]

There's. There's no A. Nope. In here, I'm, like, messy, but in a very. Like, I know where everything is. It's just how my brain works. Like, if. If there's a mess and someone moves my mess. You guys, I know where. I know.

[Chloe]

During the fires. Okay? Kylie was nice enough.

[Kylie]

She.

[Chloe]

We were getting evacuated. Hidden Hills, the podcast. We had to even, I think, prolong our start of our podcast because the fires. Kylie was nice enough. She was like, come evacuate me. Scott, all the kids, we were all.

[Kylie]

Shit about your evacuation.

[Chloe]

No, no, no. We were all at the. No, no, I'm not. We're all at her other home in Beverly Hills, and Kylie's like, are you good? Are you coming to Palm Springs? Like, yes, we're going tomorrow. Thank you so much for letting us be here. And she's like, are you. Are you. Kylie said, are you going crazy? And I was like, why? And she's like, because all the piles of things everywhere. And I was like, well, now that you offered that, yes, it's a little crazy. She's like, chloe, I'm just a go with the flow type of girl. I don't want to stress about things. And I was like, okay. She was so, like. Like, just lackadaisical. I was so envious. It wasn't even, like, was everywhere. You were just like, there's a method to this. Be cool. And I was not cool, Okay? I couldn't handle it. And you were so great. And I was like. And the fact. Even let us all come over there. That alone would have freaked me out. You know, mom would have been like, the hotel is full.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Just. Even if it was empty, just because she's like, no one.

[Kylie]

You and Scott, right?

[Chloe]

Me, Scott, cece, Lala.

[Kylie]

Oh.

[Chloe]

All of our kids, Rob and Dream.

[Kylie]

I didn't even know you guys were all in there. I mean, I told everyone, you can absolutely go, but I was out of town, and I didn't.

[Chloe]

I didn't. Yeah, no, you were fine. But you were so chill, and you were like, are you going nuts? I was like. Because you were right after Christmas. I was in your bed. But the thing.

[Kylie]

But my room, by the way, we're making it seem like my room is like a tornado. It's just like, you know, I have books and I have my crystals, and I have my stacks.

[Chloe]

And it was right after Christmas.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

So the presents. And there was like. But to you, it's. Or I was like, do you want me to help you put this away? You're like, no, I know where everything is.

[Kylie]

And I'm like, okay.

[Chloe]

It was great.

[Kylie]

In my closet. I don't know what to do about my closet.

[Chloe]

It's like, no, but you're trying to.

[Kylie]

I know. So it'll be a fresh start.

[Chloe]

What do you think our different parenting styles are? Because I think you and I are somewhat similar.

[Kylie]

Or.

[Chloe]

No. Am I crazy?

[Kylie]

No. We are similar.

[Chloe]

Yeah. I feel like we are.

[Kylie]

I think you are. Well, you're the best mom.

[Chloe]

Thank you. So are you, though.

[Kylie]

Thank you. I think you're a little more regimented.

[Chloe]

Regimented? Yep. That better word.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Than rigid.

[Kylie]

You are very. Like, they need to be asleep at this time. Or like, my day, like, it's. The. The world has ended. You know, where I'm a little. Like, it's like, fine, we're at Disneyland. Like, they can stay 30 more minutes. You're very.

[Chloe]

Listen, I let Tatum go to Disneyland.

[Kylie]

The other day, but even now and.

[Chloe]

Not have a snap.

[Kylie]

I know. He didn't take off the update.

[Chloe]

I'm like, wow.

[Kylie]

I wasn't even gonna say anything.

[Chloe]

It was a big day. But he's like, seven, and he was a demon. He's seven. He's Three.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

He.

[Chloe]

When he came home, he was like, don't you talk to me. I was like, oh, my gosh, Tatum, is that you?

[Kylie]

Well, because he's never not a nap.

[Chloe]

Tatum needs his neck. Tatum was a son.

[Kylie]

Air hasn't had a nap in like a year.

[Chloe]

Air has lost his nap?

[Kylie]

Yes. For a few months now, Kylie.

[Chloe]

That's major.

[Kylie]

Well, they're going to be in preschool next year.

[Chloe]

True. No, it's half. It's happening soon. A is also six months older than Tatum.

[Kylie]

That's true.

[Chloe]

It's a big difference. And Tatum was out of the movie of the Exorcist. When I saw him after Disneyland, I was like, I need, but they gotta.

[Kylie]

Go on more rides and he's not gonna remember. Oh, I was so tired. I just coming home from Disney.

[Chloe]

He thrived.

[Kylie]

Except he's gonna remember begging for his nap.

[Chloe]

I said, he will not have a nap. And he was fine. You guys already know that if there's a dog in the room, I'm talking to it. Before I talk to humans, I'm obsessed. So of course I want every fur baby in my life to live their absolute best life. There's literally nothing I wouldn't do for them. That's why I love Ollie. It's fresh, human grade meals made with real ingredients like chicken, beef, sweet potato and blueberries. And honestly, I can't even lie. I totally try it myself. Ollie tailors every meal to your dog's unique needs so they get exactly what they need to thrive. Plus, they offer on demand health screenings so you can check in with the Ollie health team anytime. It's the best peace of mind for any dog parent. So here's how you can try it for your pup. Just head to ollie.com wonderland, tell them all about your dog, and use Code Wonderland to get 60% off your welcome kit when you subscribe. And don't worry, they've got a happiness guarantee on that first box. So if you're not completely satisfied, you'll get your Money back. That's O L-L-I-E.com Wonderland and enter the code Wonderland to get 60% off your first box. If you're obsessed with your dogs, it's only fair to give them the best. Thanks so much to Ollie for sponsoring this episode. Ooh, what is the peak in the pit of your week so far?

[Kylie]

Well, the pit of my week is losing my Norman. That was, like, very hard for me.

[Chloe]

Very hard.

[Kylie]

I didn't think that I was preparing myself because he was about to turn 13 and I knew that I didn't have as much time with him, but.

[Chloe]

But how crazy was the King Kylie anniversary of it all?

[Kylie]

I know it's like he made it to King Kylie, but that was definitely the pit of my day. The peak, the week. The peak would be besides being here.

[Chloe]

Thank you.

[Kylie]

It would be, I think, my King Kylie collection launching. Because I've been preparing for that for, like, years.

[Chloe]

No, fuck it. And 10 years of any brand, anything store, anything being in existence that's fucking. That's iconic.

[Kylie]

Yeah. So it's like a dream. I didn't think this far, but it's pretty amazing.

[Chloe]

How could you? You were so young. Starting this from your. You were at mom's house, like, this is what I want to do. And you did it. And look at you. It's amazing.

[Kylie]

Thank you.

[Chloe]

Speaking of King Kylie, we have pop star Kylie.

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

Okay. How does it feel to be pop star Kylie? I send you so many tiktoks. Okay. So all I do is send. I've sent you, like, 20 TikToks that I'm ignored on that KY. Wait, it's.

[Kylie]

You send me tiktoks like on Tick Tock?

[Chloe]

No, I don't know how to do that.

[Kylie]

Okay. Just to your text.

[Chloe]

I don't look at those, obviously, but you look at your text messages. Yeah, it's fine. I'm not offended.

[Kylie]

Okay, Whatever.

[Chloe]

And they're all about the Fourth Strike song and people dancing to them. They have choreography.

[Kylie]

I did ignore that last time, but only because I've seen it already. And I was like, oh, good.

[Chloe]

Yeah. I just. I don't care if you acknowledge me. I'm like, you should, like, hype them up. I think it's so cute. That's really cool.

[Kylie]

It feels really good. Because I had zero expectation. I didn't expect really, Like, I mean, I loved it. I was proud of it. I thought it was amazing. But I didn't really do it for. To get a number one song or like, I wasn't. Yeah, I tried and I put, you know, all the love and the best I could do, but I wasn't expecting anything. So anything extras feels really good.

[Chloe]

It's just, like, creative freedom and to have fun.

[Kylie]

Well, you know, it was on my vision board. What, to record a song.

[Chloe]

I love that.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And when do you make vision boards?

[Kylie]

December. I do them with Iris every year. Like around New Year's. We just do it when our schedules align.

[Chloe]

Iris, I feel like anything she puts on those boards.

[Kylie]

She's such a good manifesto.

[Chloe]

She's such a good fucking manifestor. It's crazy. Z. Anything. She.

[Kylie]

We did a vision board and honestly, I haven't done one in a few years since then. But everything on my vision board has, like, come true.

[Chloe]

Okay, then we got to do another one.

[Kylie]

That's what I'm saying. I'm setting up now. I'm like, in a dream. Even bigger.

[Chloe]

Hello.

[Kylie]

I have some, I have some thoughts for my vision board.

[Chloe]

Okay. I want you to put them on the vision board. I'm not going to tell you to talk about them, but I, I need to be a part of this. Yeah, I need to.

[Kylie]

We should do it, the three of us. But yeah, I did record a. Record a song like get out of your comfort zone.

[Chloe]

Did you put acting on there? Because I. Your acting girl.

[Kylie]

I did. You did? Well, I didn't put acting, but I put more general. Like, do things that you're afraid of. Do things outside of your comfort zone.

[Chloe]

What are the two things that you're most afraid of?

[Kylie]

Career wise? Acting and singing.

[Chloe]

Okay. And you did both this year. Wow.

[Kylie]

Oh, my God. For the, for the Charlie movie coming out, I was. Chloe.

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

I, I, I was so scared for, for days. Like, for what? Like, to actually do it. I had a very small part. I mean, I had a lot of lines, but I was, I was just so afraid. I think I'm so used to, I think I used to do a lot more things out of my comfort zone, and now I'm used to, like, being very sheltered, staying in my, in like a, you know, safe box. Box.

[Chloe]

For me, I relate to that a lot.

[Kylie]

Yeah. Just like my safe space to not be. It's probably the reason why I don't share as much. Just to not be judged or criticized or years of that takes a toll on you. And I think at a certain point you're like, okay, I'm going to do A, B and C to just protect myself. I'm like, so drunk. No, everything I'm saying, I, like, mean, but I'm like, wow, I'm gonna look back on this and be like, yours is not okay, but. And then. So I just, I don't remember what I was talking about anyway. I was very scared to do this and very proud of myself when I did it.

[Chloe]

I'm so proud. I remember when you did it. Yeah. I'm so proud of you. Who do you turn to for acting? I don't know if it's advice or just support or like to give you that confidence that you need.

[Kylie]

I think. Well, before I Officially, it was right around when Jesus passed. So I felt like I committed to it. And then I was like, wow, I'm in a really bad place. And I just don't know in a month from now if I'll be okay to do this. I think it was like a month away and. But I still, you know, I was like, I know the director, obviously, Aiden. So I was, like, in contact with him. And I'm like, I really want to do it. I hope that I'm in a better place. Like, just give me a chance. Like, I'll get it together. And then closer to. I actually called Kim and I was just like, I know you're, like, in your acting bag right now, and I just need a little, like, encouragement and some advice. And I read the lines to her, like, how I would say it, and she was like, you got. You like, you're saying it perfect. You got this. This is so easy.

[Chloe]

What's your role? Or do you not want to give?

[Kylie]

By myself.

[Chloe]

Cute.

[Kylie]

I can't tell you anything other than that. But basically it's major. Obviously.

[Chloe]

Obviously. Do you want to continue acting? I get in your acting bag.

[Kylie]

I would do it if it was like, the right thing. Was the right thing? The right role. Okay. I would. I don't think I'm so. I would love to do something that was like. I think I'm. I think I'm hilarious. You are so. I would want to do something that was, like, funny or. I don't know. I think it would have to just be the right thing.

[Chloe]

What is your go to TV show?

[Kylie]

I'm watching Task right now.

[Chloe]

What the fuck is that?

[Kylie]

Oh, my God, you're.

[Chloe]

No. I'm such a loser. I'm such a loser with tv. So tell me, what are you watching?

[Kylie]

No, honestly, it's fine. Wait, let me just.

[Chloe]

Because I'm watching Love is Blind and when I get home later, I get to watch the wedding episodes. Have you watched?

[Kylie]

I haven't gotten into the. The recent season.

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

Okay, so maybe I'll get into that after. But I'm watching Task right now, and I'm really into it. Task is about. Oh, I'm, like, bleeding.

[Chloe]

It's cool. You're bleeding.

[Kylie]

Look at my big toe.

[Chloe]

So I have to pee so badly and I'm just, like, holding on. Just take a pee break.

[Kylie]

I need a second.

[Chloe]

I need to pee break. We are back. What are some of your silly and superstitious rituals? You do. And because you are superstitious.

[Kylie]

Sorry, I'm applying my lip liner.

[Chloe]

That's okay.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Wouldn't you consider yourself superstitious?

[Kylie]

I think so. I just believe in like, whatever you believe in.

[Chloe]

Yeah. So what are three things you believe in? Like, I don't know. What are you trying to say?

[Kylie]

I'm trying to say that.

[Chloe]

Well, one thing. You love crystals.

[Kylie]

I love. I loved crystals. I still love crystals.

[Chloe]

Got it. Okay.

[Kylie]

But I wouldn't say, like, I. I don't really, like, lean them out in the moonlight and the sun and charge them and the whole thing. But yes, I used to be obsessed.

[Chloe]

Okay. So no superstitions?

[Kylie]

I don't think so. I think I just don't really speak anything into existence that I. I will keep things inside my deepest fears in my head because I won't think of them. I mean, I won't say them out loud to other people.

[Chloe]

I will say, that's the smartest thing you could do. I don't care what you believe in. The tongue is so powerful.

[Kylie]

I agree.

[Chloe]

And whether we sing it in a song or whatever, that shit comes true. Your body doesn't know if you're fucking singing a song.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

It comes true. I do believe in that period. When do you mute our family group chat? Like, at what point?

[Kylie]

You're not muted now because I got a new phone. You were always muted.

[Chloe]

Oh, Des.

[Kylie]

Just because sometimes when you guys are just Sometimes we will be having separate conversations on the chat and it's like, I don't really need to hear this right now. This has nothing to do with me. But so far, I mean, so far, so far we're no muting. Yeah. Has happened.

[Chloe]

Your boundaries, I don't know, 10 years ago to now.

[Kylie]

Have they changed my boundaries personally?

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

Yeah, for sure.

[Chloe]

Right? And do you think, like, I remember how much we all used to get on court for like the trigger word of boundaries?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

But now, like, especially that I'm older and like I have kids, I'm like, I'm eating my words. Like, I love a boundary.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Do you love a boundary?

[Kylie]

I do love a boundary, of course.

[Chloe]

What's your favorite boundary that I have.

[Kylie]

For myself personally, like my kids personal life?

[Chloe]

I guess I will say you in court are the best at having whatever boundaries. They're very different. You in court. But what your boundaries are. Just abide by them.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Like, I love that you guys aren't like, sometimes I get frustrated. I'm like, come on. Or whatever. But I respect how you guys just stick to that. And you're like, no, I'm not bending for anyone. And you don't feel guilty about it. I wish I didn't feel guilty about everything. I feel guilty about everything. When you're spiraling, who do you text first?

[Kylie]

When I'm spiraling? Well, I'll call you a lot when I'm spiraling.

[Chloe]

I love that.

[Kylie]

I do.

[Chloe]

I really love that. The last call was fun.

[Kylie]

What was that?

[Chloe]

The hair.

[Kylie]

Oh, yes.

[Chloe]

My daughter true had a really high temperature. I posted about it last Christmas and it, like, was so, so, so Sad. Tru had 107 fever.

[Kylie]

Crazy.

[Chloe]

So crazy. I never knew that if you had such a high fever for that long months later, three months later, it will cause significant hair loss. Tru lost about between 50 to 60% of her hair in volume. She still has hair. We took her to the doctors. It was the most terrifying thing Kylie and I really were able to talk about. Stormi had an interesting hair situation. And hair trauma is a big thing.

[Kylie]

I think when it happens to you as an adult, you're like, okay, this sucks. I can process this. Hair will grow back. I'll get some whatever extensions. When it happens to your kid, like, it sucks.

[Chloe]

And you have to stay strong so they don't realize there's a problem.

[Kylie]

Of course. Of course.

[Chloe]

And that's the hardest part. Yeah, I think that's the hardest part. I really do. How are you letting loose and finding your happiness these days? Like, what makes you happy?

[Kylie]

I have never been happier.

[Chloe]

I love that.

[Kylie]

Thank you.

[Chloe]

And what makes you so happy? Just all the stars are aligning.

[Kylie]

All the stars are aligning. And. Yeah. I don't know. I mean, there's a lot that I think. It's just also growing up, I think, and finding yourself and.

[Chloe]

And certain things.

[Kylie]

Surrounding yourself with the right people, everything.

[Chloe]

How do you feel about Kendall turning 30?

[Kylie]

Kendall turning 30 really scares me.

[Chloe]

Why?

[Kylie]

I don't like it at all.

[Chloe]

But why don't you like it? Because you know you're next.

[Kylie]

Yeah. Yeah. I figured every time she gets to an age, I'm like, damn, shit, I'm gonna be there soon. Not that I don't feel, by the way, I feel like 45.

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

What do you mean?

[Kylie]

I mean, I have two kids. I, like, have a million jobs. I have a business that just turned 10 years old. Like, of course I feel 40. What do you mean?

[Chloe]

That is so weird to me.

[Kylie]

Really? Yeah.

[Chloe]

Don't you feel like I am, that I have two kids, I have a business.

[Kylie]

What's 45 mean? I can't be. Still feel like that?

[Chloe]

No, I'm not I've. I'm that. And I'm 41.

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Exactly.

[Chloe]

But I'm just saying, when you're not 45 and you have all those things, like, most people don't come into their own until they're 40s, sometimes 50s. No shame in that. You are that bitch at. Okay. What Was that? Under 20?

[Kylie]

Yeah, it's. I feel very young, but I feel very mature at the same time.

[Chloe]

I can get that. So I also think maybe because of that, do you get enough grace when you do have, like. Like a wild night out? I guess you guys don't. I think you. You and Kendall have always been really.

[Kylie]

I got it out during COVID I will say I got it out.

[Chloe]

What I was gonna say is, I think when you guys turned of age, society sort of changed a little bit. Where, like, the club life, the going out life wasn't what it was when I was 21. So when you guys went out, maybe it was more private, but let's just say a bad photo of you guys, like, stumbling out of a location, which is normal. We've all been there. Came out, like, especially if you're a mom and, like, you're, like, having a fun night out. Other moms do it. Do you feel like you get as much grace, like, a pass? Like, why? You're a business owner. You're responsible.

[Kylie]

I think I do.

[Chloe]

Good. I hope you do.

[Kylie]

Yeah, it's. I mean, it's rare to find us. Like, I can't remember the last, but I do think I get enough grace. Yeah. I don't really pop out like that.

[Chloe]

Let's be real. No, I know, but why don't any of us pop out like that? Because times are changing or because the eyes that are on us?

[Kylie]

I think I would just rather. Rather not.

[Chloe]

Because I do feel like we get dirty at times.

[Kylie]

To pop out. Exactly. No, but not like dying to pop out. Oh, I'm missing out on so much. I just. I would rather just not do that.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

You want to go to One Oak tonight or something?

[Chloe]

I do think times are just changing.

[Kylie]

One Oak's not even open anymore. You know that? I just learned that, like, two seconds ago. I'm like, what? Where have I been? Sometimes I drive in the streets and I'm like, where did this restaurant come from in this. That's how much I just don't know what's going on out there.

[Chloe]

I think you just broke my heart a little bit. One Oak is gone.

[Kylie]

It's gone. It's something else that's sad. I know.

[Chloe]

What is your idea of a perfect Sunday?

[Kylie]

Perfect Sunday is in the backyard, in the sun, all day with my kids, taking a walk, doing a puzzle, maybe a glass of wine. At night, no gluten. All day, no gluten.

[Chloe]

Oh, my. You are getting nasty right now.

[Kylie]

No gluten. But maybe, like, a gluten free cookie at night.

[Chloe]

You better calm down. You need to really take a chill.

[Kylie]

Maybe like.

[Chloe]

Oh, my God.

[Kylie]

Like, glasses of wine. White or red? However I'm feeling.

[Chloe]

Are you a red or a white?

[Kylie]

Lately, I'm a white. I know what it kind of do.

[Chloe]

You know, like what? White.

[Kylie]

The white kind of just gets me going, but Santa Margarita.

[Chloe]

Santa Margherita.

[Kylie]

Yeah. Okay.

[Chloe]

Talk to me dirty. Say it to me. Say it.

[Kylie]

Santa Margarita.

[Chloe]

Okay. In an alternate universe, what would you be doing if you weren't you?

[Kylie]

I would be a. I would be something super major.

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Kylie]

I would be, like, maybe the best makeup artist in the world.

[Chloe]

You would?

[Kylie]

I would.

[Chloe]

You would.

[Kylie]

I would be the best makeup artist.

[Chloe]

I just. Fun fact. I don't. I'm sure you remember this. So. Kylie. It's just not meant to be that Kylie ever does my makeup. Okay. We have tried. I know. At least two different occasions over the past 10 years. One of them, Kylie and I were gonna film. We had apps together. You came to my house in the Oaks. We were about to film, and mom got in a car accident.

[Kylie]

Oh, my God, yes.

[Chloe]

There was two other times that you were supposed to do my makeup on camera. Every time something crazy happened where you weren't able to do my makeup.

[Kylie]

Well, I would love to do your.

[Chloe]

Point next door to you. I don't know what my point is. I think I forgot because I'm drunk.

[Kylie]

But I'll do your makeup at any time, Literally. Call me.

[Chloe]

Okay. I don't know why I brought that up, but anyways. Crazy. Truth or dare.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Will you pick?

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

Oh.

[Kylie]

Haven't played this in a while. Truth.

[Chloe]

First DM you ever sent to someone you didn't know.

[Kylie]

Oh, I know this one.

[Chloe]

You do? What is it?

[Kylie]

I sent a dm. I'm not gonna say who.

[Chloe]

Stop. I'm dying already.

[Kylie]

To some. To a guy for my four. Stoss. Okay. So it was like, not for me at all. I've never DMed.

[Chloe]

What would you say?

[Kylie]

But, you know, I was pressured. Stoss was like, I like this guy.

[Chloe]

I love this man.

[Kylie]

I'm obsessed.

[Chloe]

Ye.

[Kylie]

I don't know how to get to him. Text him my page. I mean, DM him my page. And I was like, whatever. That's my girl. What am I supposed to do?

[Chloe]

And did you do it?

[Kylie]

I did. No response.

[Chloe]

I want to call Stoss right now from your phone and be like, kylie's in jail.

[Kylie]

Oh, my God. Do it.

[Chloe]

Wait, what do we say? Okay, you're going to. No, I need a prank. Okay. Okay, I agree. What is the prank?

[Kylie]

What? You want to know? Be so funny.

[Chloe]

Obviously.

[Kylie]

Okay. I've been wanting to do this for a while.

[Chloe]

Stop.

[Kylie]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Okay, tell me now.

[Kylie]

There's like a. There's a TikTok trend where you. Where, like, people will call their friend and be like, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Kylie]

And I think it's funny, but I, like, imagine we say some Kim. Or, like, all you say is, Kim would cry. Did you mean to post that on Instagram?

[Chloe]

Try Kim. It's just you. Not me.

[Kylie]

It's just me.

[Chloe]

Just you.

[Kylie]

But I don't want her to even see me because then she'll see.

[Chloe]

No, she'll just call her.

[Kylie]

I'm gonna FaceTime. No, she can't see anything. She can't see that I'm, like, lit and perfect. So. Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

[Chloe]

What?

[Podcast Producer/Assistant]

What?

[Kylie]

You just posted. What did I post? Well, look, on Instagram. I'm just like. You should probably delete them.

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

What is it?

[Chloe]

I don't see anything. That pic of you.

[Kylie]

What pic? What pick. Kylie. I don't see anything. We're just kidding. You're on the podcast. I'm like, what? I was literally just going through my phone. I'm like, what? Okay, let's call Mom.

[Chloe]

Oh, my God. Mom doesn't post.

[Kylie]

I know, but wait. Did you mean to post that on Instagram? What?

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

You just posted on Instagram.

[Chloe]

I didn't do anything. What?

[Kylie]

That picture of you? No, it's like a. It's like a selfie of you in the mirror and you're, like, not clothed.

[Chloe]

What?

[Kylie]

Show me. Tell me right now and get it down. You've gotta be fucking kidding. What?

[Chloe]

What am I wearing? Kylie, just be honest with me.

[Kylie]

Well, I see your fucking boob. I'm calling Jen. Gotta go.

[Chloe]

Bye.

[Kylie]

I feel so bad.

[Chloe]

Jen is gonna get yelled at. Jen, tell. Call her back. Jen's gonna get yelled at. Oh, no.

[Kylie]

I feel bad.

[Chloe]

She's not responding. Oh, my God. She's not answering.

[Kylie]

Okay, let's call Kendall. I love this. Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

[Chloe]

Kylie, don't do this to me.

[Kylie]

The photo is weird. Kylie, don't do this to me, Kylie, do you think I'm.

[Chloe]

Why are you a legend? Why are you a legend?

[Kylie]

Smartest person you've ever met.

[Chloe]

Mom, it was a joke.

[Kylie]

I texted you.

[Chloe]

It was a prank.

[Kylie]

We text you what? It was a prank. You guys just lost my mind. I'm sorry, Kylie. Oh, my God. I just was shaking. I was shaking. I'm thinking, how can I? I'm getting old.

[Chloe]

How could I be so stupid?

[Kylie]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[Chloe]

Turning into mj.

[Kylie]

Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram? What? What you just posted. You're such a liar. Is this a prank?

[Chloe]

How do you know?

[Kylie]

Your heart dropped a little bit. Landon was like, you got scared for a second.

[Chloe]

I definitely did. How did you know? You and Kendall are like, cool as a cucumber. Mom and Kim are like, yeah.

[Kylie]

And then didn't call us back five minutes and we were trying to call her to tell her it was a joke and then she called us back five minutes later and was like, I can't find it. I can't find. I'm like, we're kidding. Wait, who?

[Chloe]

Mom?

[Kylie]

Yes.

[Chloe]

Oh, my goodness.

[Kylie]

No. You guys.

[Chloe]

You guys had me for a second for a millisecond. That. Yeah, that's a good one. Did you know Court and I had a great chat and her and I are amazing. Oh, good. I know.

[Kylie]

I love to hear that.

[Chloe]

I love you.

[Kylie]

Love you. We're gonna get back to our podcast.

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[Chloe]

Okay, we have one last card and that's it. Never have I ever.

[Kylie]

Okay, let's get crazy, please.

[Chloe]

Never have I ever ignored a sister's call on purpose.

[Kylie]

Do I have to sip?

[Chloe]

Just a little.

[Kylie]

So I have.

[Chloe]

Well, you're gonna have to sip. Probably the whole thing.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Googled yourself on purpose.

[Kylie]

Well, yeah, I did that today.

[Chloe]

Blame something I did on another sibling.

[Kylie]

Yes. Okay, I'm not drinking anymore.

[Chloe]

Yeah, you're gonna be drunk.

[Kylie]

I've done that.

[Chloe]

Faked crying to get something I wanted.

[Kylie]

I mean, no. Maybe when I was like three.

[Chloe]

Okay, well, you still did it.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

Have you ever been pulled over and got yourself out of a ticket with an excuse? And if so, what was the excuse?

[Kylie]

No, I haven't been pulled over in a really long time.

[Chloe]

Me neither.

[Kylie]

And when I did get pulled over, it was for the tents on my car.

[Chloe]

Same. Anyway, what do you want to ask me? We're done here.

[Kylie]

Do I want to ask you anything.

[Chloe]

You want to know about me?

[Kylie]

Why did you name it Chloe in Wonderland?

[Chloe]

Because my name is Chloe. That's number one. And Wonderland is like Alice in Wonderland. You're falling down the rabbit hole. I like the strangest of topics. From aliens to self help people. Like, from Dr. Amen to aliens. So there's not. It's not one category. Every episode will be a totally different thing. And I want people to go down the rabbit hole with me.

[Kylie]

I like that.

[Chloe]

And you're just in a wonderland. I want us to always wonder, are you a flat Earther or a round Earther?

[Kylie]

I'm a round Earther, I think. But honestly, I haven't had much thought or much research about it.

[Chloe]

I'm a round Earther. And then Rob sends me all these things about flat Earthers, and I'm like, do I think anything's possible?

[Kylie]

Yes, same. I do think anything's possible.

[Chloe]

I believe in mermaids.

[Kylie]

I'd rather not worry about it.

[Chloe]

Well, it's not a worry of mine, too. Yeah, I agree.

[Kylie]

I'd rather like just live in Wonderland.

[Chloe]

Exactly. I would. Do I believe anything's possible? 100%. Do I care enough? No, I'm surviving. We've all survived here for thousands of years. Yeah, whatever the Earth Is whatever.

[Kylie]

It's shaped like.

[Chloe]

We're good.

[Kylie]

What are we gonna do, Kylie? Yeah.

[Chloe]

You're my bitch forever and always.

[Kylie]

What are we gonna do?

[Chloe]

What is the next step for Kylie? Like, not to scare you, okay, but if Kendall is 30, that means Kylie will be 30 next. Okay. Just.

[Kylie]

Just putting it up.

[Chloe]

Yeah. Just like a fact is a fact.

[Kylie]

Okay.

[Chloe]

What do the 30s look like for Kylie? Kristen Jenner.

[Kylie]

The 30s look like my children will be 10, and that's crazy. Yeah. I'll have a 10 year old, but I think my 30s and my goal for the next year, I have. I mean, I highly.

[Chloe]

Cosmetics is my baby, so let's like, not age ourselves.

[Kylie]

Yeah. Kylie Cosmetics is my baby. I have some more goals, some more things that I want to do for her. I think that's my main focus. I would do another acting job if it was the right fit, love. And I do want to get back into the studio. I'm not saying I would release any new music, but I want to try. Because why not try?

[Chloe]

Why not enjoy life?

[Kylie]

Why not try and just enjoy life? I think that's what. Just try. But no, that's just my. I think no. If no were given before, no are given now. Not a. Not a I love it insight. Not a no. I don't really care what people have to say. I don't. Not a. Yeah.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kylie]

I think I've had goals and dreams in my life, and I just. Why would I let anyone else's opinions stop me from them all? Living out your dreams. Any dreams that I have? Nope.

[Chloe]

You know what? Cheers to us. Cheers and welcome and thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland.

[Kylie]

I love you. I'm so scared to see this episode.