Part 1 ft. Kim Kardashian

Summary

Khloé in Wonder Land — Part 1 ft. Kim Kardashian

Date: January 21, 2026
Podcast Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Kim Kardashian

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Episode Overview

The season opener of Khloé in Wonder Land is billed as a “juicy” and unfiltered conversation between sisters Khloé and Kim Kardashian. Part 1 explores family, parenting, internet rumors, fame, and the realities of growing up and evolving in the public eye. The tone is candid, humorous, and deeply reflective, with a focus on sharing never-before-heard stories and corrected narratives, plus touching moments about motherhood, personal growth, and their unique path through fame.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Setting the Tone: Candid, Playful, and "Juicy"

• The sisters agree the episode should be open and revealing:
  • “From the second we decided we were going to do this, you said, it has to be juicy.” — Khloé (00:02)
  • “No one better see these texts or we're all canceled.” — Kim (00:07)
• The conversational structure is established, not a formal interview, but an open dialogue.
• Playful banter about the idea of podcast conversation as "foreplay":
  • “You know, we'll do foreplay.” — Khloé (01:51)

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2. Texts, Group Chats, and Digital Privacy

• Kim's most used group chat is affectionately called "Bat Chat" with Khloé, Lala, Tracy, Steph (02:28).
• The sisters joke about their Bat Chat being completely unfiltered and private:
  • “It's like a place to really let it out. Just talk about anything and everything.” — Kim (02:52)
• Advice for snoopers:
  • “If they were smart... they’d go straight to the group chat. That’s where the girls chat.” — Kim (03:15)

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3. Pop Culture, Burn Books, and Rumor Reporting

• Anecdote about a Mean Girls-style anonymous gossip site in the gay community (03:43).
• Lighthearted reflection on the insularity and drama of celebfamous circles.

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4. Nostalgic and Personal Insights: Photos and Hair

• First and last photos on their camera rolls lead to a discussion of personal memories.
• Kim’s hair journeys and commitment to beauty experimentation:
  • “I have had some, like, serious hair health journeys, and so I do, like, all the things to make sure that it's as healthy as possible... the red light hat, every serum you could possibly imagine.” — Kim (05:16)
• On favorite beauty treatment:
  • “Botox, probably. Or just, like, a really good facial.” — Kim (06:44)

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5. Kardashian Kloset — The Real Story

(07:07–09:41)

• Addresses criticism about Kardashian Kloset, explaining the real purpose: supporting their cousin Cece, who is a cancer survivor.
  • “Our cousin Cece is fashion obsessed... her dream of life was to go to a fashion show, and when she finished some chemo... she would always ask us, what do you guys do with your stuff when you're finished wearing it?” — Kim (07:14)
• Kardashian Kloset is a means for Cece to have purpose, employment, and fulfillment during treatments.
• Khloé emphasizes the personal and supportive nature of the endeavor:
  • “It really gave her a will to fight. Of course, she gets a commission off every sale... we want to give to Cece and make Cece feel good and that she has something to do every day.” — Khloé (08:42)

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6. Parenting Styles & Family Dynamics

(10:09–13:16)

• Comparing Khloé and Kim’s parenting styles:
  • “You're really strict, and I love that. And you're very structured.” — Kim (10:16)
  • Khloé admits her kids are still young, but appreciates the reflection.
• Revealing personal details about North West’s birth:
  • “North... was born getting born to the song Bohemian Rhapsody. Kanye was DJing... for the moment she came out.” — Kim (10:52)
• Discussing how parenting evolves with more children:
  • Kim is stricter with her younger children, and has adjusted her approach over time.

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7. North’s Expression and Homeschooling

(17:10–21:05)

• On scrutiny for how North expresses herself:
  • “She’s been, it's funny, like people are like, oh this blue hair, all of this... but she's always loved the colored braids in her hair. She really is who she is and always has been that girl unapologetically.” — Kim (17:10)
• Kim details the homeschooling curriculum she’s designed for North, focusing on personalized, creative, and practical learning experiences:
  • “I nurture her. She is homeschooled... She wanted to make hats and jewelry, so we made it a course. She has to do the web design, the budgeting, go to the stores, do the sewing—we do full fashion courses.” — Kim (18:00)
• Kim has taken months off to be directly involved in North’s curriculum and creative pursuits.

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8. Co-parenting, Family Bonds & Empathy

• Kim reflects on her improved co-parenting with Ye (Kanye West), especially bonded over North’s musical interests:
  • “At the end of the day, we're always family... the music side and the producing isn't my thing, and that's her bonding thing with her dad.” — Kim (21:05)
• On maintaining a healthy, united front for the kids:
  • “You just kind of have to put all the other stuff aside.” — Kim (21:55)

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9. Family Bedtime, Separation Anxiety, and Technology

• Kim’s children still sleep in her room:
  • “They do.” — Kim (22:01)
• Kim describes how her children crave closeness, and she records messages for them to listen to when she’s away (22:45).
• Use of Life360 app for family location sharing:
  • “Saint will be checking it. And he'll just be like, mom, you know you're here. When are you going to head home?” — Kim (23:21)

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10. Reminiscing About "Keeping Up With The Kardashians"

(23:42–25:34)

• Kim rarely watches old episodes but treasures them as "the best home movies."
• Openness to showing the raw, sometimes cringe-y, moments including family fights, for authenticity:
  • “I can really step back and look, like from a producer's eye.” — Kim (25:34)
  • On airing the infamous slap fight: “Mom was like, this can never see the light of day. She was freaking out. And I was like, you're not in it. So it is making the cut.” — Kim (25:36)

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11. Wild Rumors, AI, and the Limits of Fact-Checking

(25:46–28:20)

• Addressing bizarre AI-generated dating rumors, fake tweets, and manipulated images:
  • “AI is insane... There was a photo of me and Kevin Durant... And it said 'if there is ever a basketball player that I would date, he's the one.' And it said all this stuff, like a real quote from me with a picture. And I'm like, I... never said that.” — Kim (26:49)
• Concerns about distinguishing real vs fake in the era of AI:
  • “Even the AI photos... they're so real, some of them, and it's really fucked up.” — Khloé (27:40)
• The sisters share laughter over the joyously ridiculous AI “dancing” videos.

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12. Music Taste Surprises & Celebrity Favorites

• Kim confirms she listens to Taylor Swift and loves country music, especially Shania Twain, Carrie Underwood, LeAnn Rimes (28:28–29:01).

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13. Staging Paparazzi Moments in Early Fame

(29:23–32:17)

• Kim describes the intentional effort behind getting noticed:
  • “We knew, like, we wanted people to vote for me, so... we made 'vote for Kim' T-shirts... You knew where [the paparazzi] were, right? So you would just go like that.” — Kim (30:06)
  • “Being desperate was... cool to be desperate back then. I lived for it.” — Kim (30:17)
• Anecdotes with Jonathan Cheban, including riding in a Rolls Royce for staged photo ops, and practicing the Victoria Beckham “no-smile” look outside Intermix (30:17–32:13).

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14. Surprise Phone Call with Jonathan Cheban

(32:26–34:16)

• Quick, affectionate call with Jonathan, reminiscing about the old days and the challenge of maintaining friendships when lifestyles diverge due to kids and schedules.

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15. Leaks, Media Manipulation and Family Tactics

(38:54–41:32)

• Khloé references J.Lo’s famous “leak test,” and Kim describes leak problems during KUWTK filming:
  • “There was leaks every single week of all the stuff that we were filming. We were on the cover of every magazine... but that was feeding the beast and then getting us to film more things to shut it down.” — Kim (39:03)
• Kim once sent different baby photos of North to separate groups to determine the leak (but forgot who got which):
  • “Then I forgot what group I sent what pictures. So I was fucked.” — Kim (41:15)

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16. Career Anxiety, Reputation & Public Scrutiny

(41:34–43:32)

• Kim’s fear her reputation wouldn't survive certain scandals:
  • “Hundreds of times... when I got a divorce... I thought my life was over. The dramatics or no one's going to talk to me again.” — Kim (41:39)
  • “I just thought, like, our careers were over. I brought us up by taking us right down.” — Kim (42:04)
• The sisters reflect on media cycles of building and tearing down celebrities.

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17. Celebrity Interactions — Kindness Over Rejection

• Kim reflects she remembers celebrities being welcoming, not rude, in her early fame years:
  • “I just remember so many people being so kind and so welcoming...” — Kim (43:12)

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18. The “Elephant Birkin” Drama & Responding to False Narratives

(43:40–47:43)

• Kim discusses being criticized over an exotic leather Birkin bag prop (which was a fake):
  • “That was a bag that is fake, that we bought for extra props... even like everything about the texture is not whatever. But what I was so annoyed with myself about is just that message... that the elephant Birkin was okay.” — Kim (44:00)
• Kim highlights Ellen DeGeneres's impactful, compassionate outreach on animal causes.
• Kim’s balancing act in publicly addressing vs ignoring rumors:
  • “Sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm not going to give it attention because I can't just sit there all day and shut everything down, you know... sometimes you just have to give a statement if something's totally... It just... depends on my mood.” — Kim (45:54)
  • “We are conscious of everything that's going on... sometimes we're like: we're not giving it energy — or we're going to have to give this, this, this, and this energy.” — Kim (47:02)

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19. The Craziest Rumors, Social Media Virality, and AI

(47:43–48:40)

• Some wild and obviously fake rumors make the sisters laugh, including a supposed jet ski accident video and bizarre tweets (even bathroom-related).
  • “Speaking of AI, I think there was even a fake tweet of Kanye saying that, like, oh, Kim is, like, in the bathroom, like, having diarrhea or something. And I'm like, what do people think this stuff is real.” — Kim (48:20)

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20. Teasing More Iconic Stories to Come

• Khloé hints at unfinished business, promising even more untold stories and “tea” in the next episode segment.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (w/ Timestamps)

• On Group Chat Secrets: “No one better see these texts or we're all canceled.” — Kim (00:07)
• On Parenting: “North... was born getting born to the song Bohemian Rhapsody. Kanye was DJing... for the moment she came out.” — Kim (10:52)
• On Rumors: "AI is insane... There was a photo, an AI photo of me and Kevin Durant... It's absolutely just not true." — Kim (26:49)
• On Fame: “It was cool to be desperate back then. I lived for it.” — Kim (30:22)
• On Handling Scandal: “I brought us up by taking us right down. I'm sorry, guys — but better me than anyone.” — Kim (42:08)
• On Public Criticism: “I wish I was a little bit smarter on that and made a better choice on that [the Birkin prop].” — Kim (45:04)
• On Media and Leaks: “There was leaks every single week of all the stuff that we were filming. We were on the cover of every magazine... feeding the beast.” — Kim (39:03)
• On Celebrity Reception: “I just remember so many people being so kind and so welcoming...” — Kim (43:12)

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Memorable, Lighter Moments

• Kim and Khloé admit to being “cool with being desperate” for paparazzi attention in the early days, and orchestrating photo ops (30:17).
• The surprise call to Jonathan Cheban offers real-time proof of ongoing friendship (32:43).
• The candid reveal that Kim's kids still sleep in her room, and her sweet habit of recording Build-A-Bear messages for them when she travels (22:45).

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Useful Timestamps by Topic

• Intro and "Bat Chat": 00:00–03:33
• Mean Girls Gossip Site & Photos: 03:33–04:36
• Hair & Beauty: 05:14–06:44
• Kardashian Kloset / Cece: 07:07–09:41
• Parenting Styles & Family: 10:09–13:16
• North’s Expression & Homeschooling: 17:10–21:05
• Co-parenting with Ye: 21:05–22:00
• Parenting Details & Bedtime: 22:00–23:49
• Reminiscing "KUWTK": 23:42–25:34
• AI Rumors: 25:46–28:20
• Music Tastes: 28:28–29:01
• Paparazzi/Early Fame: 29:23–32:17
• Jonathan Cheban Call: 32:26–34:16
• Leaks & Media Tactics: 38:54–41:32
• Career Survival Anxiety: 41:34–43:32
• Elephant Birkin Drama: 43:40–47:43
• Craziest Rumors: 47:43–48:40

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Conclusion

This episode of Khloé in Wonder Land sets the stage for a more intimate, revealing look at life in the Kardashian-Jenner orbit. Refreshingly unvarnished, it features vulnerable admissions, life lessons, and a playful back-and-forth that fans will find both relatable and entertaining. With more “tea” teased for Part 2, listeners can look forward to even more unfiltered Kardashian stories ahead.

Transcript

[Chloe]

Hi.

[Kim Kardashian]

I am so excited.

[Chloe]

From the second we decided we were going to do this, you said, it has to be juicy.

[Kim Kardashian]

Like, no one better see these texts or we're all canceled.

[Chloe]

I know. Was there ever a moment that you didn't want something filmed?

[Kim Kardashian]

When I said that whole thing, she's like, you have to take this out. You look insane. I go perfect.

[Chloe]

Was there ever a time you thought your reputation might not survive something?

[Kim Kardashian]

I just thought, like, our careers were over. I brought us up by taking us right down.

[Chloe]

Do you ever remember celebrities that were rude to you? Let's talk about. About some of the AI dating rumors.

[Kim Kardashian]

Is this not insane?

[Chloe]

Does it bother you, the scrutiny that you get for the way that you allow north to express herself?

[Kim Kardashian]

She knew what she wanted since the moment she came out.

[Chloe]

You're really the first celebrity to openly stage paparazzi shots.

[Kim Kardashian]

You knew where they were, right? So you would just go.

[Chloe]

It was cool to be desperate back then.

[Kim Kardashian]

I lived for it.

[Chloe]

Let's talk about some of the crazy conspiracies. The Kardashian curse. Oh, I love a conspiracy. Hi.

[Kim Kardashian]

I am so excited to be on your podcast.

[Chloe]

Oh, well, I'm so excited.

[Kim Kardashian]

I'm really excited.

[Chloe]

From the second we decided we were going to do this, we both. But specifically, you said, and it has to be juicy.

[Kim Kardashian]

Well, yeah, because I feel like it's obviously weird coming from you because you. You know all these stories, you know my whole life, you know everything that you're going to ask me, but let's just, like, juice it up and have a cute combo.

[Chloe]

And that's what it is. It's a conversation. I'm not just going to be spitting questions at you, but, like, feel free to talk back with me and talk back to you. Oh, good. I love when you talk back, and I'm going to ease you into it.

[Kim Kardashian]

Okay.

[Chloe]

You know, we'll do foreplay.

[Kim Kardashian]

Okay. A little bit.

[Chloe]

I know how you like to get down. What's the last text you sent?

[Kim Kardashian]

Ooh.

[Chloe]

Oh.

[Kim Kardashian]

To North? Just about. Her engineer is on his way. I text that right before I sat down.

[Chloe]

You love the notes section in your phone?

[Kim Kardashian]

I do.

[Chloe]

You do.

[Kim Kardashian]

You're a big girly. You want me to open them up?

[Chloe]

Well, I just want to know what was the last spot note you wrote in your phone?

[Kim Kardashian]

A birthday party list.

[Chloe]

Oh, yes.

[Kim Kardashian]

You know, party.

[Chloe]

We've been going back and forth with that today. Name of the most used group chat in your phone.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, the Bat Chat.

[Chloe]

Bat Chat.

[Kim Kardashian]

The Bat Chat. It's you, Lala. Tracy and me and Steph. I think it's been going for what, at least five years strong.

[Chloe]

Yeah, I think so. It's been a while.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's like, we will be.

[Chloe]

And the bat chat is like. Cuz, call me on the bat phone.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yep.

[Chloe]

Like.

[Kim Kardashian]

Cause like, no one better see these texts or we're all canceled.

[Chloe]

I know we're all fucked up.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's like a place to really let it out. Just talk about anything and everything.

[Chloe]

Judgment free.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Yeah, it really is.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's like a safe zone. It's really crazy because, like, I know we're beyond the days of, like, going through people's phones and people going through our phones. I feel like that just isn't a thing when you're in your 40s. Okay, right.

[Chloe]

Like going through a boyfriend's phone.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Okay.

[Kim Kardashian]

So, like. But if they were smart, they wouldn't be, like, looking for guys on the phone. They'd go straight to the. The group chat. Well, that's where the girls chat.

[Chloe]

But take note, for people in their 20s wanting to go through someone's phone.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. Go for their group chats, go for the guys. Group chats. Go for the girl. Go. Just go for the group chat.

[Chloe]

Yeah. No one is really shit talking in a solo session.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. Or like, you're not really gonna find anything. You want to know everything? That's where you go.

[Chloe]

I learned about this. One of our friends last night told me about, you know, in Mean Girls, they have the Burn book. There's this website that's for people anonymously. It's like a dumois type of thing, but it's about dating. And you anonymously will be like, your boyfriend sent me a dick pic. And like, they put it up and they expose different people, but it's all in the gay community. It is the most salacious website.

[Kim Kardashian]

Simon Hawk told you this?

[Chloe]

Oh, my God.

[Kim Kardashian]

I wasn't going to out him.

[Chloe]

I was. I was like, that is fascinating. It's just like there's a different world.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's a different world.

[Chloe]

It was fascinating. I loved everything. What were you guys doing at the end of the table? You didn't hear that conversation? No. Oh, that was amazing. I learned a lot last night. The first photo in your camera roll and the last photo, if you remember.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, well, the. I mean, the first one has to be from years and years and 15 years ago, however long.

[Chloe]

My first one, I think, is of me and Bernard the dog. The boxer.

[Kim Kardashian]

My old dog. That's a new Bernard.

[Chloe]

No, I had a boxer named Bernard With Lamar did.

[Kim Kardashian]

The most recent photo in my phone for sure, is a picture of Beyonce with her beautiful, like, golden y locks. Like, this hairdo that's, like, so gorgeous that I want to do my hair like a golden color. I did it once. It's like a honey.

[Chloe]

She is. I love that honey color.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Speaking of hair, what does your natural hair look like?

[Kim Kardashian]

Ooh, I like this question. Okay. My hair is, like, your length. Exactly. If I blew out my hair, that's exactly what it would look like. It would be cute. I wear it every time it's in a bun. That's like, my hair. I love extensions and all the things. I think people were, like, really confused when, like, Chris Appleton did my hair once and it was, like, platinum blonde and we slicked it back in a bun and then glued tracks over because I just didn't want my real hair, that blonde, getting, like, exposed. But people were like, what's happening? Confused. But I have had some, like, serious hair health journeys, and so I do, like, all the things to make sure that it's as healthy as possible. And we go through our ups and downs. The red light hat. Yes. Every serum you could possibly imagine.

[Chloe]

Oh, you hear, like, the rice. What was it? The rice Water.

[Kim Kardashian]

You're like, I'll be cooking. I did this.

[Chloe]

And I'm like, kim, you do it, and then you.

[Kim Kardashian]

Onions, cloves, everything in a shampoo. But, like, it works, you know, I'll do, like, the stem cell injections in my scalp, like, everything to make sure that it's as healthy as possible.

[Chloe]

Yeah. But you just love a beauty treatment. I love to experiment.

[Kim Kardashian]

I do.

[Chloe]

If you could only pick one beauty treatment for the rest of your life. Do you have a favorite?

[Kim Kardashian]

I mean, Botox, probably. Good one or just, like, a really good facial by.

[Chloe]

Sure.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. I love a. Oh, I love a red light situation.

[Chloe]

It's a tough one, that pod. You have to get the longevity.

[Kim Kardashian]

I saw that. I know.

[Chloe]

You really, really do. I do want to talk about Kardashian closet a little bit, because I feel like we get a lot of hate for Kardashian closet.

[Kim Kardashian]

We do.

[Chloe]

But I think you should explain the backstory and the foundation of it and why it's so important. Because of Cece.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And so our cousin Cece is fashion obsessed. I know you know this, but, like, she. Her dream of life was to go to a fashion show, and when she finished some chemo, you know, she's been battling cancer for, like, 30 years, and sometimes it gets really, really bad. And so she can't. It's in her lymph node, so she can't probably work as regular. And she. She loves fashion. She would want a job in fashion. So she would always ask us, like, what do you guys do with your stuff when you're finished wearing it? Like, can I start a site? And we'll start. I don't know if you remember, but Courtney and I, and maybe you were going to open up a store before Dash, called Poor Little Rich Girl, we trademarked was gonna be consignment clothes, like designer clothes, before the real real, before all of those, like, stores. This was like, before Dash. So we've always had closets and closets full of, like, stuff that we wanted to purge and get rid of. You know, nice stuff that you wear once and spend a lot of money on it. So cece put together this site. She now employs a team of people and has an office and they photograph everything and they ship it out. And it's like a site like the RealReal in a small way of just our things. But it's funny because people we know and our friends shop on it all the time and love it and the stuff is great and, like, vintage sites have bought off of it and told me when they buy things, so.

[Chloe]

Well, it's really a beautiful story because Cece, you know, I think that we all are really hardworking and I think we know that when you have something to get up and to work for, you feel so much better about yourself. And CeCe being in chemo and radiation and all the things. There were days that she couldn't work as consistently, and other days she really wanted to get out and do something. And so by her having this job, she said it really gave her a will to fight. It makes her feel good about things. Of course she gets a commission off of every sale. And so of course we can easily give to the RealReal. We can easily sell on a third party site, but we do so on our own because we want to give to cece and make cece feel good and like, that she has something to do every day and it gives her something.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Purpose. And so I love that we do that. And people that talk shit, they just talk shit, but they don't understand that there's so much story and history behind it.

[Kim Kardashian]

Listen, like, I used to take my stuff back in the day. I didn't have the money, so, like, if I wanted to buy new things, I would have to sell things.

[Chloe]

You did ebay?

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And I used to sell everything on eBay. And that's kind of how I feel like, you know, we're still on budgets. We still, like, have things that we try to be responsible with. And so, like, if I sell some things and make a certain amount, then I can, you know, buy with that. I still budget my life out and love living like that.

[Chloe]

Let's talk about our parenting styles.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Where do you think you and I are alike? And where do you think we're different?

[Kim Kardashian]

Hmm. I think you're really strict, and I love that. And you're very structured. I don't think you're strict. Actually, that's the wrong word. I think you're just very scheduled and micromanaged.

[Chloe]

Thank you.

[Kim Kardashian]

To the moment.

[Chloe]

I agree with that.

[Kim Kardashian]

So I actually think you're lenient. I think your kids are a little too young for you to feel what it's like when one of them wants to be extremely expressive in a different way than you would.

[Chloe]

I agree with that. I don't know what teenagers are like, but don't you think. North. I'm trying to remember at, like, 7 or 8, I felt like she still was very. Like, she knew what she wanted at that age, too.

[Kim Kardashian]

She knew what she wanted since the moment she was born. She was born getting born to the song Bohemian Rhapsody. Courtney and I talk about this all the time. Kanye was DJing, so he put on Bohemian Rhapsody for the moment she came out. And isn't it so her. Courtney and I, like, cry, laughing, thinking of this moment.

[Chloe]

Oh, my gosh.

[Kim Kardashian]

Of just, like. I don't.

[Chloe]

I was in the room. I don't remember that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And how it's just so like, her. North, you know, that's such a weird, random song. Yeah.

[Chloe]

Yeah. I love that song.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah, me too.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kim Kardashian]

Like, when I listen to it, I just, like, get emotion.

[Chloe]

I didn't remember that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. Courtney remembers every detail. Her memory. I didn't remember it. And it's something that I would have written in the book. So I asked Courtney years ago, like, hey, what was the song in all the rooms that I. I like to write all the memories and just have random facts. And she's like, you don't remember? It was Bohemian Rhapsody.

[Chloe]

She's nuts. She does remember everything.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And I was like, of course.

[Chloe]

It was being a mom of older. Older kids. Like teenagers. Do you wish you did something different when they were younger?

[Kim Kardashian]

I treat my two older kids a little bit. I have, like, stricter rules for my two little kids. And so my two older kids have devices. My two little kids don't it's interesting. Your first kid, your first two kids, they're like growing up with you or figuring it all out together and then you learn and you realize you wanna maybe do things differently. And luckily I have Cheyenne Sam that I could try that with and that's really worked for us. But maybe at this age the other kids had a phone so it's like a little bit unfair but it's the.

[Chloe]

Rules and they don't know the difference though.

[Kim Kardashian]

I'm stricter now.

[Chloe]

But they don't know that Saint and North had a phone at that age.

[Kim Kardashian]

Exactly. Well, they tell them.

[Chloe]

Well, but that's. They know that's their word versus no. Totally prove it.

[Kim Kardashian]

But it's, it's. I wouldn't like change anything. I think like I have such a great relationship with my kids. They love me, they respect me, they're great. Every kid has, you know, phases and have these growing moments and learning moments and we've gotten through all of that and we're like, I just love how they just grow and evolve.

[Chloe]

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[Kim Kardashian]

I'm just not a judgmental person like that, so I try not to pay attention to it. But I think that no one knows, unless they're in my shoes of what I'm dealing with and how we have to manage certain things from the outside world or even close in our life that we have to go through together. So I think like, the one misconception that people might have is like, oh, she's trying to be her bestie and lets her get away with a lot. Like, no, Northie actually has a lot of rules. The one area is I do let her express herself and I do let her do That I love her for that and she would do it, you know, regardless. She's been, it's funny, like people are like, oh this blue hair, all of this all of a sudden. Or like her fake piercings that she puts up or her, you know, I have pictures of her when we're in first grade pre K where she'd come with like a fake septum ring and she has her green braids and she has pink braids and. But she's always loved the colored braids in her hair. So since she was little, like she really is who she is and always has been that girl unapologetically. And so like I nurture her. She is, is homeschooled. And a lot of it is me helping her do a lot of the teachings and the things that we do. But we do a lot of realistic courses, things that she's really into math, we'll give budgets and we'll go around and we'll get stuff and we'll add it all up and subtract it all and we'll. She has a brand building class. You know, it's like an actual course and a curriculum. Fully interactive learning than fully interactive learning. And so she wanted, she had an idea of making hats and making jewelry and all the things she wanted to make. So we made it a course. And she has to do the web design and she has to do the budgeting and she has to go to the, to the stores and get materials and sewing and we do like full fashion courses and she goes to in the summer is like to fit in New York and goes to fashion camp, you know, and loves these more interactive experiences. And so I nurture her. But it's a full time job even for me and her teacher. And I think people don't realize like I'm with her and the kids 247 and it's like I've now added like a teacher to my role because she wants me involved in all the things. And you know, I took like the last six months off to be able to really do that and do her courses and get the curriculum from her teachers and be there in the room with her. And it's been a lot and it's been so fun to see her blossom and even like her music course at school she'd do a regular like music course and learn certain things. But at home she'll do an eight hour music studio session where she's producing, writing and a part of, you know, I'll add her writing out all of her lyrics as a part of her, you know, spelling tests. And we do all of the things at home that she really enjoys and are challenging. And I think they would be, like, proud to see, like, how smart she really is and how creative she really is. And I can only dream that my children all find a passion and a purpose as young as she has.

[Chloe]

Well, and I think it's really inspiring and beautiful the way that you do nurture her passions and that you are so accepting of them. Like, she's 12, and I know she loves producing, and she's doing that now, and you encourage that. And I think. I know on Alex Cooper, you talked a little bit about you and Ye's relationship and where you guys stand now. And I think it's important to say you and Ye have really bonded over North's producing. You guys are now in a much better place.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And I think that, you know, I'm a really empathetic person. I mean, at the end of the day, we're always family. I always look at it that way. No matter what's going on, there are times when I have to be super protective, and there are times when, you know, at any moment, I would love that relationship. And I've always talked about that. The music side and the producing isn't my thing, and that's her bonding thing with her dad. But even just, like, coming up with stuff, we have to communicate about how north, like, moves through that world and all these, like, opportunities that come her way, and having to filter that and like, respecting his opinion on the things that go on with his kids is really important. So, yeah, I think, you know, he's.

[Chloe]

So good at doing that.

[Kim Kardashian]

I think it's important for the kids. You just kind of have to put all the other stuff aside.

[Chloe]

Do your kids still sleep in your room?

[Kim Kardashian]

They do.

[Chloe]

I don't think there's anything wrong with that. I know you always want to, like.

[Kim Kardashian]

Apologize for that, but Lala's in town and she loves to sleep in my room. I have this, like, massive bed, and everyone's like, why doesn't she sleep in the guest room? And Saint was just, like, at my door, like, this is not fair. Or, I'm going to sleep in between you guys, or I'm going to sleep on the floor right next to you with Kim.

[Chloe]

And, like, literally, I remember Kim was like, I have to go. He heard me saying, like, oh, I'm going to Paris with your mom. And he's like, how many days I need to approve this.

[Kim Kardashian]

He needs to. He needs to know my whole schedule like, how many days am I going to be gone? He always, like, cries when I leave. Like, calls me every time we have.

[Chloe]

A life 3 pixel or whatever that he hears your voice.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, when I leave, I make my kids this, like, little, you know, the, like, recording device that's in a build a bear. I got, like, the heart that, like, just the recorder. And I leave the messages like, I love you so much. I'm gonna be back soon. And I leave them, like, I'll say a prayer. Cause he likes. We say our prayers together every night. So one is just, like, a prayer that they can play on repeat if our timing is off or something. They love them and they. He plays. He keeps it in his pocket when he is, like, out. And it's so cute.

[Chloe]

Just obsessed with you.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's so cute.

[Chloe]

Talk about your.

[Kim Kardashian]

I'm obsessed with them.

[Chloe]

Life360. What is that?

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, yeah, we have a Life360 app. Obviously, the only kids with the device, like north and Saint and myself. Saint will be checking it. And he'll just be like, mom, you know you're here. When are you going to head home? I see you're here, mom, did you land? I see on the app, like, you're just landing or are you on the plane yet? He makes me text him when I take off when I land. It's so cute.

[Chloe]

It's so cute. Let's talk about the show a little bit. When you look back, do you ever watch old episodes?

[Kim Kardashian]

I don't really. No. But I'm not, like, opposed to it. When you love that the first 20 seasons are coming back on Hulu.

[Chloe]

When you see old clips.

[Kim Kardashian]

I love it.

[Chloe]

You love it?

[Kim Kardashian]

I love it.

[Chloe]

I was gonna say, do you cringe?

[Kim Kardashian]

Are you like, no, sometimes I'm like, sometimes there's cringy moments. But, like, other than that, it's like the best home movies. Like, so well shot. Like, we have so much documented.

[Chloe]

It's really so much of it.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's been like 20 years.

[Chloe]

Yeah. And so much of it. I forget that we even did. We were all in Idaho and it was just on tv. The old Keeping up and Random stuff was just on tv. And I was like, when did we ever do this? There's no recollection. I think we just filmed so much. But think about having literally every single day of your life filmed for, like, 15 years.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And it's just there. Don't even want to know what's on the editing floor. Who knows? Was there ever a moment that you didn't Want something filmed. But they filmed it and it turned out for the better. I think I know a few.

[Kim Kardashian]

Really?

[Chloe]

But like the Bentley fight, I don't think at the time it's funny.

[Kim Kardashian]

Like, mom and Courtney, like, want us, like, pull back a lot. And I'm just like, why?

[Chloe]

Let it go, Courtney.

[Kim Kardashian]

When I said I got married in Italy, she got married in Italy. When I said that whole thing, she's like, you look like a lunatic. You have to take this out. We just. You look insane. I go, perfect, put it on. It's making it. And I was. She's like, no, no. I'm telling you, like sister to sister. You look crazy. And I was like, good. I love. Like, I can really step back and look, like from a producer's eye.

[Chloe]

Oh, like the fight, the slapping fight.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, yeah. Mom was like, this can never see the light of day. She was freaking out. And I was like, you're not in it. So it is making the cut.

[Chloe]

Sisters don't hit each other. I'm like, they do.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah, they do.

[Chloe]

Let's talk about some of the AI dating rumors.

[Kim Kardashian]

Is this not insane?

[Chloe]

It's insane.

[Kim Kardashian]

No, no, no. Insane. You want to know the most craziest one that people I think thought was real?

[Chloe]

Which one?

[Kim Kardashian]

There is a basketball player that I think got traded to the Lakers. Luca. There was like an fake tweet or comment on Instagram. I don't know where it came from, but it was like, hi, you're coming to la. I want to learn from you. Slovakian or whatever language, who knows? And then there was either. I don't know if he really thought it was me and then he replied no. Or if it was like a fake reply. I don't know at this point, but mine was so fake. Okay. And it looks like I'm hitting on this guy. I haven't gone to a Laker game since Rob sent.

[Chloe]

Stop. Because of that. Rob sent me.

[Kim Kardashian]

Not really because of that, but Victor Wemby.

[Chloe]

Rob was like, you're dating. I think he's like 19 or 20. Some 19 or 20 year old basketball player. I was like, not that I know of.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, it's set.

[Chloe]

And there's photos of him and I. Yeah, AI photos.

[Kim Kardashian]

AI is insane. There was a photo, an AI photo of me and Kevin Durant.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kim Kardashian]

And was like, if there is ever a basketball player that I would date, he's the one. And it said all this stuff, like a real quote from me with a picture. And I'm like, I. That's absolutely just not true. And I never said that.

[Chloe]

It's insane. AI is getting out of control.

[Kim Kardashian]

There was even this quote that said I would have been a billionaire sooner if Jay Z was my husband or something. Like, I don't remember. And I was like, who comes up with these fake quotes? How do you stop them? Because once you send, like, a cease and desist, it's like all these other people have posted it.

[Chloe]

But even like you said, you sometimes second guess, like, the tweets. Like, some. You're like, wait, I have to.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, yeah.

[Chloe]

Where did this stem from?

[Kim Kardashian]

Right. I didn't think mine was real.

[Chloe]

No, I don't think that. But then you're like, what is real versus what's fake? Like, even the AI photos. Or there was, I think, a video I sent you. It was either a viewer of north talking, and I sent it to you, and you were like, that is so AI. Like, they're so real, some of them, and it's really fucked up.

[Kim Kardashian]

No, it's insane.

[Chloe]

I don't like it. The dancing ones we like, though. Yeah, Those that will send the stupidest dancing videos. And she laughs and tells.

[Kim Kardashian]

I'm like, I am crying.

[Chloe]

No streaming down your face. And it's very cute, but we're like, okay. But last night, you and Kylie were dying over some of those.

[Kim Kardashian]

Kylie and I were laughing. I'm like, please recreate. Please try. And she's like, I don't know if I could even do this move. So funny.

[Chloe]

Do you think people would be surprised that you listened to Taylor Swift?

[Kim Kardashian]

I think I've said it.

[Chloe]

I think people would be surprised. Surprised, Yeah.

[Kim Kardashian]

I mean, it's just I have her, like, some of her older songs in my playlist. I've always thought she's, like, a super talented, great artist.

[Chloe]

And. Do you like country music?

[Kim Kardashian]

Love country music.

[Chloe]

Who's your favorite country?

[Kim Kardashian]

I mean, I'll always be a Shania Twain girly.

[Chloe]

I do love Shania.

[Kim Kardashian]

I really do. And then, like, I love Carrie Underwood. I love always.

[Chloe]

You did, right?

[Kim Kardashian]

She just came on my playlist.

[Chloe]

Like, wasn't it Leanne Rimes?

[Kim Kardashian]

Love Leanne Rhymes? That was my song.

[Chloe]

I remember being in the car on.

[Kim Kardashian]

The way to Arizona, driving to Courtney to college, and I was like, CDs at the time. Yes, CDs. Singles. So I only had the single of.

[Chloe]

Leann Rimes, the CD book that we had to keep popping.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah, I still have it. I still have this CD book.

[Chloe]

You're really the first celebrity to openly stage paparazzi shots.

[Kim Kardashian]

Hmm.

[Chloe]

Talk about how when and why you started doing that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Okay. It's not like we would know where they were. And so, yeah, vote for Kim. Yeah, Vote for Kim was like, the first. That was the taste.

[Chloe]

So Kim did Dancing with the stars 2006 or seven. Something like that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Something like that.

[Chloe]

And season three, I think we would walk down Robertson Boulevard. Definitely not season seven.

[Kim Kardashian]

No. Of. Of Dancing with the Stars.

[Chloe]

Oh. I was like, please.

[Kim Kardashian]

No. We knew, like, we wanted people to vote for me, so I. We made vote for Kim T shirts.

[Chloe]

And we were going walk down Robertson. Robertson.

[Kim Kardashian]

So people see us. Like, you knew where they were, Right? So you would just go like that.

[Chloe]

And desperate.

[Kim Kardashian]

Totally.

[Chloe]

Being desperate was a. Like a. It was cool to be desperate back then.

[Kim Kardashian]

It is all I wanted. I lived for it. Like, there was times I. I mean, I said this story once where Jonathan and I went. We were at a restaurant and we heard these people. Jonathan just, like, sees everything, like, online and was like, oh, Britney Spears is staying at this hotel in New York. So this person at dinner had this, like, crazy phantom Rolls Royce. Jonathan and I could hardly even get a cab, you know, so we're like, oh, can we get a ride to our hotel? And the guy's like, yeah. And Jonathan and I are like, we'll sit in the back. You sit in the front. So it looks like we got out with a driver.

[Chloe]

Oh, my God.

[Kim Kardashian]

At this hotel. And we got out. Paparazzi everywhere. Waiting for Brittany, you know, at her hotel. They weren't following us at this point, or who knows? Maybe they were. But they come out and they're like, kim, Kim, Kim, are you here to visit Britney? Are you here? And Jonathan's like, keep your head down. And just like, shut up. So we go inside, we go in a phone booth because we're like, we don't know anyone at this hotel. We don't even know if there's, like, a hotel bar for us to walk in. We go and, like, hang in the photo in the phone booth in this hotel for, like, 20 minutes. And then we're like, all right, let's go out. And then we come out, and they're like, kim, how was Britney? How was Britney? Then Jonathan and I are like, you know, we just, like, walked in the. Took a cab, I think, from that point, because this Rolls Royce person dropped us off. But they weren't going to take pictures of us, like, getting in. So we totally scammed the system. Scammed the system. And it was, like, on every cover. And we thought we were killing it.

[Chloe]

Oh, you guys were Back then, there.

[Kim Kardashian]

Was a time, and one time, Jonathan was like, you have got to stop smiling. Like, Victoria Beckham never smiles. So we'd like, walk out of, like, Intermix on Robertson, and he would be like, victoria, Victoria.

[Chloe]

And I'd be like, oh, get it together, okay.

[Kim Kardashian]

And I'd like, stop smiling because I'd be like, hi, guys. You know, to the. To the paps. And he'd be like, victoria. And I'd be like, oh, get it together. Yeah.

[Chloe]

Well, you segued this perfectly. I have a guest that's coming.

[Kim Kardashian]

Who?

[Chloe]

Welcome Jonathan.

[Kim Kardashian]

No way. I'm just kidding. Oh. I was like, no way. I loved. We should have called here.

[Chloe]

We should have. Would have loved to have been here. That was a big mistake on my part.

[Kim Kardashian]

That was crazy. I. I love Jonathan. We should call him.

[Chloe]

We should call Jonathan.

[Kim Kardashian]

I think people think we don't talk, you know? Hello. What are you doing, sexy?

[Jonathan]

You look.

[Kim Kardashian]

Thank you.

[Chloe]

I want you to sit down. At dinner in Miami, we were just talking about you.

[Jonathan]

Is it good or bad?

[Kim Kardashian]

We're on the po. We're doing Chloe's podcast. How's Jonathan? And I'm like, I love John. Hold on, I'm calling him. Do you need proof of life?

[Jonathan]

I'm in Miami, actually. It's like 80 degrees out here.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, my God.

[Chloe]

Just chill.

[Jonathan]

I'm at, like a nice dinner and it's like a brand new restaurant here in Coral Gables.

[Kim Kardashian]

Nice podcast going.

[Chloe]

It's good. We just wanted to give you a little shout out. I said you were at my mom's 70th and.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah, that was a fun night, wasn't it?

[Jonathan]

That was the point. That was probably one of the best parties in, like 15 years. They don't do parties like that anymore, right?

[Chloe]

They don't, no.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah, we used to do.

[Jonathan]

You know, when I did pr, we used big events like that, and they were like these kind of parties where, like, one after the next would come in.

[Kim Kardashian]

Should we talk about the part?

[Jonathan]

And it was like the crazy mix. Now it's like everything's so corporate.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Jonathan]

Sponsors.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Jonathan]

Nobody could ever pull that off. Unless you're, like, paying for your own party, which nobody really does anymore.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, we're not doing it again for a long time. It was really expensive. Okay. We love you.

[Chloe]

See you in la. Call me when you're back.

[Jonathan]

Bye, guys.

[Kim Kardashian]

Bye.

[Jonathan]

Love you.

[Kim Kardashian]

Bye. Love you.

[Jonathan]

Bye.

[Kim Kardashian]

Okay, Jonathan and I are good. Here's the thing. I had kids.

[Chloe]

Yeah.

[Kim Kardashian]

And it's really hard to maintain friendships when you have kids and you're like, in it and like, Jonathan's not gonna come and sit around Calabasas all day. He's, like, always on the move, especially.

[Chloe]

When someone else doesn't have kids. So it's not like you can do play dates with your kids.

[Kim Kardashian]

Exactly. Yeah, exactly.

[Chloe]

I get that. And we love Jonathan. There's so much history there.

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[Kim Kardashian]

No way.

[Chloe]

It was like the thing to know. Like, if you have a leak, let's give either, I don't know, different groups a different story and then you can sort of pinpoint.

[Kim Kardashian]

I will say the leak is when we were filming Keeping up with the Kardashians, there was leaks every single week of all the stuff that we were filming. We were on the COVID of every magazine with these crazy, salacious stories. Yeah, I think that it was kind of genius. Even though we didn't even realize it. We thought that was life, but that was feeding the beast and then getting us to film more things to shut it down or to this or to that. And then we got to the point where we were like, okay, if I'm gonna tell Courtney that I'm pregnant. When we were in Miami, I would call our main producer and be like, can you just bring no cameras, but can you bring a, like, little camcorder and film it? And then we'll keep the footage, the tape, until we're ready to edit or until it's out there, because it took so long to edit and get, you know, the show up anyway. So then we started doing these, like. Oh, our delivery room. Yeah, we'll film it, but we'll film it on this, like, camera and then keep the tape until we're ready, you know? So, like, then those things didn't leak. So that I told Courtney was someone just in production wanting to. I don't think it was, like, malicious. I think it was like knowing that they're feeding this beast that will get us more popular, that will be more popular for the show. Now that I look back at it.

[Chloe]

That'S a good perspective. I haven't looked at it like that.

[Kim Kardashian]

You know, but it's so interesting because when we film Kardashians, we'll film everything and there's not a leak. We haven't had leaks in years.

[Chloe]

You're right. But also, the group has dwindled down.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Remember when north was born and you to different groups. I think this was a little bit of a mishap.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, I sent the photo of North.

[Chloe]

Yes, but you wanted.

[Kim Kardashian]

And then TMZ got it.

[Chloe]

But from what I remember, and maybe I'm wrong, you sent different photos of north to different groups of people, and you wanted to see which one would get leaked.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yes, yes. And one did.

[Chloe]

One did.

[Kim Kardashian]

And TMZ called me with one photo going, we have a photo of North.

[Chloe]

But didn't you forget?

[Kim Kardashian]

I. Then I forgot what group I sent what pictures. So I was fucked. But I did say I forgot how I handled that. I think I said that wasn't north and was like, oh, it's a generic baby picture on the Internet because it was in the hospital bed, like, right.

[Chloe]

When she was born.

[Kim Kardashian]

Isn't that crazy?

[Chloe]

Was there ever a time you thought your reputation might not survive something?

[Kim Kardashian]

Hundreds of times, bazillions of times when I got a divorce. But I thought my life was.

[Chloe]

Life was over. The dramatics or no one's going to talk to me again. And.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, I. Yeah, I always get that way, I think.

[Chloe]

No, not about after a breakup. No. But just, like, you just. It's crazy that you really have thought numerous times that the world is over.

[Kim Kardashian]

And I just thought, like, our Careers were over.

[Chloe]

You said it. You're like, I ruined all of our careers.

[Kim Kardashian]

I was like, I brought us up, taking us right down. I'm sorry, guys, but better me than anyone, you know? Like, I've literally been so dramatic after my 72 day wedding. I. And I find that, like, so interesting that, like, the media kind of, like, built it up. Like, they were so kind to me. They were so great. And then that happened and it was like, you know, a fraud and this.

[Chloe]

Is fake and they love to build you up and tear you down.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. And I was just like, wait, I wouldn't do that. Or like, that's the name of the game. I just really thought and, you know.

[Chloe]

That'S the name of the game. Do you ever remember celebrities that were rude to you at the beginning and now they, like, kiss your ass and do you treat them differently? Are you just like.

[Kim Kardashian]

I remember, Honestly, I don't even think we were, like, invited to anything with any major celebrities for a long time. So I don't think we were ever put in that position. I just remember so many people being so kind.

[Chloe]

Oh, I love that.

[Kim Kardashian]

And so welcoming. And even if it was like a different genre of something that, like, we were in, I think everyone was, like, really kind and gracious.

[Chloe]

I love that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Like, maybe it was like a time that, like, someone didn't want us at a party, you know, or something. Or maybe we weren't invited. I don't know.

[Chloe]

Oh, I love that. I love that. Those are your memories.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

So I know one story that really bothered you, and rightfully so, was the elephant Birkin drama.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And even Ellen DeGeneres reached out to you.

[Kim Kardashian]

She texts me. Well, you know what? She always has, like, no matter what it is, if there's like, an issue, she's always been, you know, she is the reason why I went to, like, full faux fur. And, like, I have my vintage furs and I like, completely toned down a lot of things. And it was her approach and the way that she communicated with me about it. And so she wrote me and was like, hey, I see this story with this elephant Birkin. Like, what is this? That was a bag that is fake that we bought for extra props. You know, I brought a lot of my bags in to film all's Farah's accessories. But then we just got a bunch of other ones that we would have and leave, like, on set that we can, like, leave there and grab if we ever needed one for a specific outfit. And I was wearing gray, and it was a gray One if you look at it, I actually have pictures of it. The hardware is upside down, so it's like an actual like full fake one. Even like everything about the texture is like not whatever. But what I was so annoyed with myself about is just that like that message that the elephant Birkin was okay because like people didn't know if it was real or fake. So even just like putting that out there, like, I wish I was a little bit smarter on that and did made a better choice on that so.

[Chloe]

I could see that. And I appreciate that.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And I'm sure Ellen does too.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Do you. Did you tell Ellen it was fake?

[Kim Kardashian]

Of course. I was like, the bag is fake. But like it's just also like the stories and the headlines and all of that that like follow it with them not knowing what it is. So, you know, I don't blame that story or for the outrage of that story. I really don't.

[Chloe]

I just, I get that certain organizations approach to things. It's so just.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, it's fully the approach. That's why like Ellen's approach was so great.

[Chloe]

Right.

[Kim Kardashian]

She's, you know, it just struck me like how she really took the time to communicate certain things to me.

[Chloe]

All about approach in my book.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

Being that it bothered you so badly, why don't you go out and respond and set the record straight.

[Kim Kardashian]

I think that came at a time when there was a lot of other all sphere criticism and I was like overwhelmed. I'm a firm believer of like addressing something head on and quickly. You know, whether it's like naming kimono and then changing it to skims and acting quickly and like, I hear you and like sometimes I wish I did act more quickly but like my thought process also is like, same thing. Why didn't I shut down all those like AI rumors about, you know, the Laker player and you know, Katie and like all these things, fake tweets and pictures. It's like sometimes I'm like, oh, I'm not going to give it attention because I can't just sit there all day and shut everything down, you know, and then sometimes I get annoyed enough and I'm like, guys, like, why aren't we like sometimes you just have to give a statement if something's totally. It just. But it depends on my mood.

[Chloe]

I get that. And some are you can shut down a few and then if you don't shut down one, people will be like, oh, she didn't shut that down, so it must be real.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

But it's not.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Chloe]

And I think you're right. You can't shut down every last rumor. And.

[Kim Kardashian]

But we do talk about it. You know, we do have a chat about it, and it's like, what are we going to do about this? How are we going to get, you know, around this? And what are we going to. You know, we are conscious of everything that's going on. We really are. And. And sometimes we're like, we're not giving it energy, or we're going to have to give this, this, this and this energy.

[Chloe]

Right.

[Kim Kardashian]

And then sometimes you get annoyed, like, why didn't I give that energy?

[Chloe]

Oh, I think it's cooler that you don't.

[Kim Kardashian]

Yeah. But then sometimes I get pushed to the limit, and I'm like, you better shut that. We all tweet this myself. Yeah. You know, and there's just some random things that, like, take me to the edge that I. It could be the most random thing where I'm just like, I have to speak up.

[Chloe]

What is the craziest rumor you think you've ever heard about yourself?

[Kim Kardashian]

I don't know. I really don't. Like, there's just been so many.

[Chloe]

Yeah. I can't keep up that.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's like, I know.

[Chloe]

There's so many random ones. Video of you and yay. On jet skis.

[Kim Kardashian]

That is fake. Well, that's not us.

[Chloe]

Duh. We're going to show the clip, obviously.

[Kim Kardashian]

Do you not believe people think that's us? It doesn't look like us. I don't think it's.

[Chloe]

No.

[Kim Kardashian]

If we had a major. That's not jet ski accident.

[Chloe]

It doesn't look like you in the slightest. That's why I'm like, I don't even understand how some rumors get started or go viral. It's really strange to me.

[Kim Kardashian]

It's so strange. I mean, speaking of AI, I think there was even, like, a fake tweet of Kanye saying that, like, oh, Kim is, like, in the bathroom, like, having diarrhea or something. And I'm like, what do people think this stuff is real.

[Chloe]

Okay, let's get to the tea.

[Kim Kardashian]

What tea?

[Chloe]

I want you to spill. There's a few iconic stories that I think the world needs to hear about.

[Kim Kardashian]

Oh, my God.