We Said What We Said ft. Malika Haqq

Summary

Podcast Summary: Khloé in Wonder Land – “We Said What We Said” ft. Malika Haqq

Host: Khloé Kardashian
Guest: Malika Haqq
Date: April 15, 2026

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Episode Overview

This episode of "Khloé in Wonder Land" reunites longtime friends Khloé Kardashian and Malika Haqq for an intimate, wide-ranging conversation that dives into motherhood, friendship, personal growth, and recent public drama surrounding Lamar Odom’s documentary. The episode is candid and often hilarious, with the women reflecting on their lives, setting boundaries, and celebrating their hard-earned peace. The tone shifts seamlessly from laughter and nostalgia to raw honesty about betrayal and healing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Catching Up on Life, Family, and Easter Traditions

• The episode opens with warm banter about gift-giving quirks and their recent Easters. Khloé and Malika exchange stories about their children’s celebrations and family time.
  • Gift-Giving:
    • Khloé shares that giving gifts is her love language, but she hates opening presents in front of people because she worries about genuine reactions and the cost.
    • “You make me open my presents in front of you. And I don’t think you’ve ever opened a present in front of me.” – Malika (02:24)
• Parenting and Field Trips (03:44–06:36):
  • Khloé recounts a hectic field trip to Malibu, describing school buses as “a lot of overstimulation.”
  • Malika discusses her own hesitance about letting her son Ace go on long bus rides without her.
  • Homeschooling:
    • Malika reveals plans to homeschool Ace in a Christian program, with retired-teacher mom Beverly helping part-time.
  • “I will not miss carpool either.” – Malika (07:19)

2. Mom Appreciation and Generational Reflections (07:24–08:36)

• Both share a new perspective on their own mothers, recognizing the challenges of parenting multiple children “without access to the outside world.”
  • “Your parents are people too. Yeah, that’s how I feel.” – Malika (07:46)
• They recall ‘90s navigation struggles with Thomas Guides and marvel at how reliant they are on apps like Waze now.
  • “I don’t go anywhere without Waze. Like, everything.” – Khloé (08:42)

3. Work/Life Balance and Friendship (09:08–10:28)

• Malika juggles filming her new (unnamed) show and being a mom, admitting the hustle leaves little time for social life.
  • Khloé describes her typical Sunday digital detox:
  • “I just try to put the phone down and not pay attention... It’s so healthy to not be a prisoner to your phone.” – Khloé (10:15)
  • “Malika used to get really emotional... she would, like, disappear... for 48–72 hours.” – Khloé (10:30–11:15)

4. Travel Tales – Taking Kids to Japan and Paris (11:40–13:44)

• Khloé recaps her recent family trip to Japan, highlighting safety, culture, and how much her son Tatum loved it despite his young age.
  • “There’s so many great things to do for kids. It’s so safe. It’s so nice.” – Khloé (12:12)
• The women bond over traveling with young children and how meaningful those memories can be.

5. The Lamar Odom Documentary: Setting the Record Straight (18:01–32:14)

This is the emotional and thematic core of the episode.

• Khloé’s Involvement:

  • She clarifies that she agreed to participate in Lamar Odom’s documentary at his team’s request, despite her reluctance to revisit painful parts of her past.
  • “Do people think I just like talking about this all day long? F** no. It’s traumatic...”* – Khloé (18:11)
  • She was not paid, had no editorial control, and only responded to the producer’s questions.
  • “I have no involvement...besides sitting down and giving an interview.” – Khloé (21:02)

• Betrayal & Public Narrative:

  • Khloé expresses frustration that, after years of praising her, Lamar is now doing press insinuating she’s a liar and diminishing her support during his overdose and recovery.
  • “You’re not now going to sh* on me because you don’t like the reaction and the response.”* – Khloé (24:10)
  • Malika defends Khloé’s integrity, recalling the harrowing time in Las Vegas and asserting that Khloé “was doing what was honorable and loving.”
  • “He doesn’t like the answers ... that doesn’t make it not true.” – Malika (25:50)
  • Khloé and Malika are unified: They’ve “moved on” and refuse to carry blame for Lamar’s choices or the documentary’s reception.
  • “I did your documentary. I think we’re done here.” – Khloé (30:43)

• Memorable Moments & Hot Takes:

  • “If there was nothing positive to show at the end, that’s on you.” – Khloé (22:34)
  • Khloé relates how Lamar always insisted ‘say coke, not crack’ for appearances (31:07).
  • Both reflect on the importance of holding boundaries:
    • “Don’t take our kindness for weakness. Clock it.” – Malika (32:00; also referenced at 00:47 and 32:14)

6. Healing, Self-Care, and Moving On (39:40–42:14)

• Single Life Contentment:

  • Both women explain why they haven’t dated in years and value the peace they’ve earned post-drama.
  • “We don’t cry on pillows. We don’t miss moments with our children or families. I haven’t used eye drops in decades. My skin’s the best it’s ever been. I sleep at night.” – Khloé/Malika trade off (40:38–41:09)

• Prioritizing Children & Mental Health:

  • Khloé proudly shares how her focus on her kids and self-care has brought genuine happiness.
  • “I don’t need to be good for another adult. I’m good for my children.” – Khloé (41:57)

7. Manifestation & Dating “Wishlists” (42:24–45:09)

• Malika’s ideal man: Silver fox, faith-led, a strong leader, good father figure, and “seasoned.”
  • “He cannot be his own leader. He has to be Christ-led or have some higher power... I’d love a great father figure for my son.” – Malika (43:06–44:09)
• Khloé admits she’s not thinking about romance, just health, happiness, and building her businesses.
  • “I just don’t think about a man right now. I really don’t. And I’m not mad about that.” – Khloé (45:52)

8. Friendship, Nostalgia & Lighthearted Q&A (47:00–56:34)

• Sharing first “core memories” and how they met as teens. Recollections of filming “Keeping Up with the Kardashians” and “Khloé & Lamar.”
  • “We were so young…we really did a lot.” – Malika (50:09–51:20)
• Discuss audiobooks vs. real books, social anxiety (post-Covid), and how their children challenge and help them grow.
  • “My social anxiety is so bad – I can feel someone looking at me from behind.” – Malika (49:05)
• On friendship circles and making ‘random’ friends vs. deep bonds.
  • “Are you jealous? ... You could never be jealous. You’re first in my eyes, girl.” – Malika (56:12–56:17)

9. Girl Chat: Daily Habits and Closing Reflections (53:03–57:16)

• Bedtime routines, crying in public, and criteria for letting new people close.
  • “Patience. I require quite a bit of patience because I don’t let people in the way I once did.” – Malika (55:01)
• Plans to go out together soon, ending on a note of joy and gratitude for their enduring friendship.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 00:09 | Malika | “The only thing that I will allow to rattle my nervous system is the stock market.” | | 18:11 | Khloé | “Do people think I just like talking about this all day long? F*** no. It’s traumatic.” | | 24:10 | Khloé | “You’re not now going to sh** on me because you don’t like the reaction and the response.” | | 25:50 | Malika | “He just didn’t like the answers. That doesn’t make it not true.” | | 32:00 | Malika | “Don’t take our kindness for weakness. Clock it.” | | 41:40–41:09 | Khloé & Malika | “We don’t cry on pillows. We don’t miss moments with our children...” “My skin’s the best it’s ever been.” “I sleep at night.” | | 43:06 | Malika | “He cannot be his own leader. He has to be, like, Christ led or have some higher power.” | | 45:52 | Khloé | “I just don’t think about a man right now. I really don’t. And I’m not mad about that.” | | 50:09 | Malika | “We really did a lot. A lot. A lot.” |

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:09 – Growing up, parenting quirks
• 03:44 – Field trip mom moments & homeschooling
• 11:52 – Traveling to Japan with kids
• 18:01 – The Lamar Odom documentary: Khloé’s truth
• 25:50 – Malika defends Khloé, “He just didn’t like the answers. That doesn’t make it not true.”
• 31:07 – Lamar’s image management: “Say coke, not crack.”
• 39:40–41:17 – Single mom empowerment, peace, and self-care
• 43:06 – Malika’s partner wishlist & manifestation
• 47:10 – Friendship core memories, nostalgia trip
• 49:05 – Social anxiety chat
• 53:03–54:38 – Girl chat rapid fire: crying in public, bedtime routines, new friends

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Summary Takeaway

This episode unpacks big feelings and real talk about honoring boundaries, evolving through hardship, and prioritizing self-worth and family above all. Both Khloé and Malika stress the benefits of hard-earned boundaries, the beauty of platonic soulmates, and why some people truly belong in the past. Even amidst drama, the mood is uplifting—these are women who have turned survival into serenity.

Final Words:
“You’ll never be with another man like that again.” – Malika (39:59)
“Clock it.” – Khloé (32:14)

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For anyone who hasn’t listened, this episode is a blend of tea, wisdom, and sisterhood, resonating with anyone moving on from their past and committed to cherishing what—and who—really matters.

Transcript

[Khloe Kardashian]

Hi.

[Malika Haqq]

Hi.

[Khloe Kardashian]

My girl. Should we do, like, random girl chat?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Chaos?

[Malika Haqq]

Love your lip color, by the way.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Just feel like everyone is with me.

[Malika Haqq]

The only thing that I will allow to rattle my nervous system is the stock market.

[Khloe Kardashian]

If you know, you know.

[Malika Haqq]

Don't worry, we're still gonna come, but we think we might want to make a few edits.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You can't edit someone else's birthday.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, we can. You'll never be with another man like that again.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Or be with another man.

[Malika Haqq]

We don't cry on pillows. We don't miss moments with our children.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I haven't used eye drops in decades.

[Malika Haqq]

My skin's the best it's ever been.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I sleep at night.

[Malika Haqq]

So do you want to talk about the doc? Hell, yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I was pissed. Now Lamar is doing press insinuating that I'm a liar. You're not now going to shit on me because you don't like the reaction and the response.

[Malika Haqq]

Don't take our kindness for weakness.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Clock it. Malika.

[Malika Haqq]

Chloe.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I love that you're back in wonderland with me.

[Malika Haqq]

Me too. Thank you for having me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

How was your Easter?

[Malika Haqq]

My Easter was lovely.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What'd you do?

[Malika Haqq]

We just did an Easter egg hunt. Ace is such an only child, so we did one at our house first.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, my gosh.

[Malika Haqq]

And he got to jump on the trampoline that your mom just got him.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, she did?

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, she got him the in ground trampoline. Oh, those are the birthday. Put it in my front yard.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Oh, God.

[Malika Haqq]

Cuz I had that massive eyesore of a trampoline. So it's. It's a really great transition. It's still there. We have room.

[Khloe Kardashian]

We have a little bit of room. The jungle gym of a front yard.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. So he did the trampoline. He did his Easter egg hunt. He opened his baskets. He opened your basket. He loved it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Cute.

[Malika Haqq]

He was like, mommy, Auntie Coco's the best. Best ever. I'm like, I know.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So cute. And then after that, his photos were adorable.

[Malika Haqq]

No, he's too cute. And that bunny was adorable too. It was like the size of him.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, no, it was cute. It was cute.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. Okay. I want to make sure that you know that.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It was wonderful.

[Malika Haqq]

It was cute. Okay. You're so critical of yourself.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I am. I'm very critical of everything.

[Malika Haqq]

You're an incredible gift giver. Thank you.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Thank you. I love you. That's my love language. I love gift giving. It's mine as well, but I don't like receiving. Makes me very uncomfortable.

[Malika Haqq]

You're very awkward.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, I just get like, oh, my gosh. I know how much money this cost. I know how hard it is to make money. I like, spiral in my head.

[Malika Haqq]

And it's kind of crazy because you make me open my presence in front of you. And I don't think you've ever opened a present in front of me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Hell no. Because you're never gonna get the reaction you want.

[Malika Haqq]

You're so cute though. I can always hear your smile on the phone.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I can do it better on the phone. When I'm like, with people, I'm like,

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

okay, Chloe, you have to act this way.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But don't let it be fake. Cause it's not fake. But I just want to make sure I'm giving someone the response they want.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, you just don't like to blush in front of people. Like, you're blushing right now.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, no, I don't like any of it.

[Malika Haqq]

It's very cute.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And I became a newer open in front of me type of person because my mom had a talk with me and said it's like what I should be doing.

[Malika Haqq]

You should?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

They say it's just an American thing to do. Like, other people don't do that.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What?

[Malika Haqq]

Like, you give a gift and you, like, take it away and then that's like, supposed to, like a normal thing.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What, to open in front of people?

[Malika Haqq]

To not open in front of people. I think it's just Americans do that.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

Well, how was your Easter?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Mine was great. We were in Palm Springs. It was really nice weather. Not too hot, which is always nice. Cuz Palm Springs always be deadly crazy. But, you know, we go over the top. Easter egg hunts, the Baskets brunch, We went swimming after and then drove back down for school on Monday. Crazy. But it was great. I loved it.

[Malika Haqq]

Okay, so they're back in school.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Back in school. Okay. I chaperoned a field trip Yesterday.

[Malika Haqq]

Did you?

[Khloe Kardashian]

12 kids I had to be responsible for in my group. It was like, crazy. Like, when I got home, I was like, no one can talk to me for like an hour. Because being on that bus with all. It's just a lot of overstimulation.

[Malika Haqq]

It's the bus.

[Khloe Kardashian]

For me, it's the bus.

[Malika Haqq]

I actually feel really bad now. And I hope Ace doesn't talk to Tru because he had a field trip and I didn't let him go.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, did he want to go?

[Malika Haqq]

He knew about it, but I like, kind of talked to him like, mommy's just not comfortable with you going that far away and on a bus. And they didn't pick Mommy to go. So were you lying? They were going to. No, they were going to an amusement park. Like, yeah, my kids were going to an amusement park near Disneyland. And I was like, I'm sorry. Just. I'm not comfortable with that. So unless I'm one of the chaperones, he can't go.

[Khloe Kardashian]

First of all, I don't know. Why does a school send someone to an amusement park?

[Malika Haqq]

I mean, I think it's because the kids really want to go, but I'm just not.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What are they learning?

[Malika Haqq]

That kind of parent? I don't think it's for learning. I think it's just for fun.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's not when you're on one of those yellow school buses.

[Malika Haqq]

Oh, no, no, no.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's three hours to get there.

[Malika Haqq]

The school bus and the diesel feel. Not that thing. Sorry. Know that most people. I just. I wasn't gonna be able to ride on the bus anyway. I was just gonna follow behind, but then I just decided.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I was like, no, you're crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

Because what if I wanna leave early? I can't even se kid and take him. Like, whoever goes on the bus had to go back on the bus.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, I wouldn't.

[Malika Haqq]

I was like, this is just not for us.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I wouldn't let my kid go either. I mean, honestly, on the bus yesterday, they were all like, this is taking so long. Can we leave? Can we get off? I have to pee.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm like, was it hot?

[Khloe Kardashian]

It has AC on the bus. Like, it was. It was fine in our days.

[Malika Haqq]

You just rolled down the wind. The window dropped.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, the new yellow buses have, like, AC, but it takes 30 extra minutes to get anywhere on those buses.

[Malika Haqq]

Where did you guys go, though?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Malibu.

[Malika Haqq]

That's cute.

[Khloe Kardashian]

They're learning about, like, plankton and water animals. And so we went to the bluff, and, like, we have to go down on the beach and, like. But a different guide is with every person. They're, like, teaching us about certain native plants and microscopes and.

[Malika Haqq]

So nice for you homesteadies.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It was great. It was great.

[Malika Haqq]

Did I tell you I'm homesteading, Ace?

[Khloe Kardashian]

You did. Yeah, but when are you starting?

[Malika Haqq]

So he'll graduate from kindergarten, then he'll start first grade. I found the best. Well, my mother and I found the best Christian home study program.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Nice.

[Malika Haqq]

It's the cutest.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Is your mom gonna do it?

[Malika Haqq]

She's gonna help me, but I'm gonna get him an actual teacher.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Malika's mom, Beverly, is an actual teacher of, like, 30 years.

[Malika Haqq]

I know, but she's retired, and it's just hard.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But she is very capable.

[Malika Haqq]

Imagine having. I don't think she want come teach your kids.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, my mom never. That's so not her. My. Your mom was a teacher. But I get if your mom's retired and doesn't want to do it.

[Malika Haqq]

No, she does. I just think it's going to be different if it's like four days a week, nine to 12 every. She hasn't been on a schedule like that and for so long.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And I don't think she wants to do be that committed. But you just can't say I hired an actual teacher. Your mom is an actual teacher.

[Malika Haqq]

I hired another teacher or a current

[Khloe Kardashian]

teacher cuz your mom is retired.

[Malika Haqq]

And then my mom can do like the substitute teacher work. You know when the teacher doesn't come

[Khloe Kardashian]

in, my mom can sub fucking making a school lunch and snacks like being creative.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm like, I'm not going to miss it. I will not miss carpool either.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But doesn't it make you appreciate your parents more?

[Malika Haqq]

I totally understand my mom more. And I guess that understanding brought appreciation because at first I had to be like, this woman's insane. When I was in my teens. And then once you become a mom, you go, oh, she's not that bad. She's like, she's like normal. Your parents are people too. Yeah, that's how I feel.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

And I'm like, I can't believe she did it with five. Cause I have one and I feel a little crazy most days.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, I'm sure she felt crazy every day. But you just don't know better because you don't know there's like life outside of this.

[Malika Haqq]

It's true.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Especially because she didn't have any access to like the outside world. Unless it's like a newspaper. Like that's just. You just knew everyone had kids. You take them to school like that.

[Malika Haqq]

No. Remember when you were like in the car with your mom or your dad and they throw that big book on your lap until you flipped a page.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Thomas Guide.

[Malika Haqq]

Thomas Guide.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

Our kids would die if we.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh my God.

[Malika Haqq]

Thomas Guide.

[Khloe Kardashian]

When Bruce used to be like, go to page 94 and tell me these coordinates. I'm like, no.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. Our kids will never know what we suffer through.

[Khloe Kardashian]

We used to print out directions on MapQuest.

[Malika Haqq]

I think that was once AOL came around. Right?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, but I still born and raised la. I don't go anywhere without ways like everything. Am I like, do I just not pay attention when I drive?

[Malika Haqq]

When you leave, show me the quickest way.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

And I'll make my decision from there. Just give me. I like options.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I just can't go anywhere without it. It's really nuts. So I don't know what I did. I guess I was always printing out that paper on MapQuest. Crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

We made it work.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Malika has a show that's going to be out. I don't know when, but I don't think anyone knows when yet.

[Malika Haqq]

Just yet, but exciting. Yes. We're three weeks in. We've got about three more weeks left and then a couple pickup days. But I don't know how you do this every day.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's a lot like.

[Malika Haqq]

And then multiple other jobs.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, crazy women have no friends anymore.

[Malika Haqq]

Well, I mean, you still have me. We just only see each other every quarter.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Totally. But that's why it's not like I'm sitting at home like.

[Malika Haqq]

No, but it's actually good to be a workaholic because you get out of your head a bit. Sometimes you just have to carve out time to do, like, self things. Like, my Sundays are so good. My self care Sundays. You would love my list.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No. What do you always say? I know Sundays are precious to you.

[Malika Haqq]

They are, though.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And they are.

[Malika Haqq]

They really are.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, if someone talks to me on a Sunday, do not disturb. Okay.

[Malika Haqq]

Do you still keep your phone off sometimes?

[Khloe Kardashian]

I haven't had a Sunday because we were in Japan. And then, like, I haven't had a sundae in a minute, but when I get a sundae, I just try to put the phone down and not pay attention to it. But, like, it's not off and I'll check it. But I just think it's so healthy to not be a prisoner to your phone and detox a little bit.

[Malika Haqq]

Do you remember when I used to turn my phone off?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, all the time. Malika used to get really emotional. And, like, she still does very emo. She can totally control her emotions better. But as a young adult, she would, like, disappear. Disappear. But also wanted everyone to know, in a way, if I could let you

[Malika Haqq]

guys know a hundred percent.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Because she would put on a black icon. Because Kim would always be like, you might want to check on Malika. She would always. Because then we all knew what it meant.

[Malika Haqq]

Gone. And you would not be able to find me. No, I'd be like, give me. I needed. Like. I think it was always somewhere between 48 and 72 hours and I'd be back to normal.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, but you always just needed that damn black icon.

[Malika Haqq]

Solid. I think it's a Reset. I can't believe you still remember the color of the icon.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Of course. It was a solid black screen, and everyone was like, here she is.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm still very black. Yeah, you love my black. I just express it differently now.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Because you have a kid, you can't disappear for three days.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm just emotionally healthier or stronger, I think. I think so.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Do you think that comes with age and experience?

[Malika Haqq]

You go through enough things, and you're just like, oh, I'd rather stay in the light so I don't have to go black. Yeah, you just preserve and protect your peace. How was Japan?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Ooh, it was so nice. Japan was great. I'm excited you're gonna do that for your birthday.

[Malika Haqq]

I want to. It's been on my bucket list for a minute. But I think, most importantly, I didn't just get up and go, because I want to make sure Ace is old enough to understand it or at least remember, you know, I was like, I think it is.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I mean, what I loved is how much the kids loved it. There's so many great things to do for kids. It's so safe. It's so nice. Tatum, like, every day that we're back, he's like, are we gonna go to Japan again? Like, he loved it. I know he won't remember it when he's older. Cause he's only three and a half, but I love how much he loved it. And he was so happy every day. Like, the jet lag is a lot, but kids are so resilient, and they can handle it. And he just, like, appreciated everything. It was so funny for someone so young for them to, like, he was so into everything we did and that I really loved. Yeah.

[Malika Haqq]

I think he realizes how different it is from his regular life. So he doesn't have to identify exactly. But, like, that appreciation comes from, like, I like this.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It was really cute.

[Malika Haqq]

It was enjoyable for me. Ace was like that. When I took him to Paris at three, he used to keep saying, can I go back to my tower? Can I go back to my tower? He loved the Eiffel Tower. And I was like, yeah, it's a really long way away. We can't keep going back. But one day, so he remembers it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Go for your birthday. It would just be like an adult trip.

[Malika Haqq]

I think my whole family is going. Nice. So that's, like. It'll be big.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That would be amazing. So it's still. I think it's the start of cherry blossom season.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. That's why I was like, I hope you get it. Because they say it's so beautiful.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It is so beautiful. It rained a lot when we were there. But towards the end, the beginning, like, it was perfect. It was really, really so beautiful.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm not really an amusement person part

[Khloe Kardashian]

at all, but the kids love it.

[Malika Haqq]

They do. But like after I've hit like 15,000 subs, I'm like, I'm done.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I mean, Disney is not for the faint of heart. You just have to. It's a lot. But the kids love it.

[Malika Haqq]

So the drums this week. Do you want to talk about the doc?

[Khloe Kardashian]

I'm really activated, actually.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

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[Malika Haqq]

I'm annoyed, but I'm more also like, I already lived that. I don't necessarily want to go back there because to me it's just dark and sad.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, this is also what is so annoying to me. So, like the documentary number one. Do people think I just like talking about this all day long? Fuck no. It's traumatic. I have to relive things. I have to talk about things that weren't fun in my life.

[Malika Haqq]

Right.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So I'm. It's like, no, I don't just feel like doing this. So I think there's like what I keep seeing because people keep sending me TikToks or just videos. Number one, I was asked by Lamar Or Lamar's team, Whatever you want to say. I was asked if I can do the documentary. I was contemplating because I'm like, I don't know if I want to do that. And also, I wanted to make sure it was handled in the best way. I said, I want to make sure this is a positive piece. I don't really want to go down this road if it's negative. He's been through enough negative shit. Let's, like, turn the tune here. Everyone was like, no, it's amazing. It's going to be really positive. He's the one doing it. He's the one asking. I'm like, okay, cool. Netflix. Then was like, we can't finish it without you. You're a big chapter. Sure get that. I willingly do the Netflix thing for Lamar. I'm not getting paid one penny to do this. I have no dog in this fight. It doesn't matter to me if this documentary is made or not made. I don't care.

[Malika Haqq]

Right.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And it's also not something I really want to talk about anymore.

[Malika Haqq]

You don't want to go back down. It wasn't a great thing.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It wasn't the best time of my life. I had best time moments. But it's not like, let's rehash the dark stuff all over again.

[Malika Haqq]

Can I just say you took months to get an answer?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yes.

[Malika Haqq]

You took a long time to even

[Khloe Kardashian]

agree to do this. And on Alexa's point, because I was like, how does this benefit me for keeping up or for Kardashians, whatever. People always want to ask about the Lamar stuff. I get it. But at some point, I'm, like, over it.

[Malika Haqq]

Right.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's like, that chapter's done. I'm good. He's good. We're good. To do this, though, what turned me was Netflix reaching out again, saying, like, they can't finish it without me. And I didn't want to do that to Lamar. So I was like, okay, he deserves this.

[Malika Haqq]

You did him a really big favor because you actually can't tell the story of that chapter of his life without you. As a matter of fact, it's. He doesn't know what. He doesn't really know what happened.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You do. Either way, I remember you. I was like, I really want to make sure. Like, let's get on the same page with what he wants me to say. You reached out to him for me. He wouldn't respond to us saying, I

[Malika Haqq]

mean, he took by time. He had responded. It was done. Yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

He took weeks to respond, and we were like, hey, Chloe's going to do the interview. She wants to talk to you. Prior. I tried nothing.

[Malika Haqq]

I tried all good.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Which we have in writing, by the way.

[Malika Haqq]

Receipts also.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What I think people are confused about is I'm not just sitting on camera talking. There's a producer asking me questions. This producer is from Lamar's documentary. Has nothing to do with me. I'm not an executive producer. I don't edit anybody on their documentary. I'm not paid a century. I have no involvement in this documentary besides sitting down and giving an interview. This producer is asking me questions that I then respond to. So how would the producer know to ask me certain things if they're not given by Lamar's team? Or this guy does research. If the guy is like, hey, so I heard this happened in Vegas. Why don't you tell me about that? I'm going to be like, I am going to tell you that story. Because somehow you know the fucking story.

[Malika Haqq]

I know it exactly.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So I am just doing exactly what the producer's asking of me. I didn't see the documentary in whole until it came out.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm still trying to figure out what the takeaway was from the documentary.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What do you mean?

[Malika Haqq]

So I think, like, for the public. Yeah. So I. I think that that's another thing that people are kind of hung on, which is like, what were we supposed to get from this? That you weren't a good father, you weren't a good husband? Well, so that's what I'm talking about.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So this is. But like, Your overdose was 11 years ago. Yeah. You're telling me that you have nothing to show for anything at the end of your documentary? You couldn't show after the last 11 years, your sobriety journey.

[Malika Haqq]

And that has nothing to do with you?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Has nothing to do with me. If there was nothing positive to show at the end, that's on you. You are ending it as making a joke. Oh, let's go to Vegas. Let me go to Vegas. Come with me to Vegas and get married or whatever. He said to the camera crew, like, you're everything's a joke for you. You're not accountable for anything. I think what's pissing me off is we did this. All good. I was done with this. I'm like, I'm never gonna do another Lamar thing again because I'm all good.

[Malika Haqq]

It's finished.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But now Lamar is doing press, annoyed with me.

[Malika Haqq]

I can't stand it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Claiming or insinuating that I'm a liar. All these things, discrediting me, saying That I wasn't the one that helped him.

[Malika Haqq]

That pissed me off as well. Only because I was like, sir, you weren't. You were there, but you were a shell of a person. I'm like, the things that I witness. And was there for. Even the week that I was in Las Vegas, I was like, I want my friend out of here. But I knew what you were doing was so honorable and so loving, like it is who you are and what you would do. So we fast forward how over a decade later, and you want to tell the story, but you want to tell the person that they're not telling the story correctly. How, sir?

[Khloe Kardashian]

But that's not even. That's not even it. I think for years, he was singing my praises. All this. I don't even need you to sing my praises, but you're not now going to shit on me or now play in my face because you don't like the reaction and the response from the public.

[Malika Haqq]

Well, I think you're getting a better reaction as a human being than he is getting for his own documentary. But that's not your documentary.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's not my problem. I didn't edit your documentary. I had nothing to do with the final product. That's all you. If that's the way you wanted your documentary cut together and all that, how the fuck is that my problem?

[Malika Haqq]

Maybe he didn't have control over that, but he also didn't have anything positive to give them either.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But again, that's not my problem.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, I think this is the first time people have ever really had an opportunity to hear you speak and see the experience through your eyes.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, because it's not.

[Malika Haqq]

And he didn't like that.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But it's not my story to tell. I was. I would never expose someone that was not for me to expose. I kept all of that to myself for 11 years or whenever that was for this. I was asked by Lamar to do this documentary. I did it for him, his team. Whoever provided those questions to the producer had to be someone that knew these things. That's how they knew to ask me those questions. They don't just happen. So I answered the questions, and then I even said when I left, well, Lamar can take out anything he doesn't like, because I don't care. Take out what you don't want in there. That's your choice. This is your show. And I just find it crazy like that. He's. First of all, I don't care. You don't have to give me credit for anything. I don't want the credit. All I did was tell the story that I was asked by you to tell, but now to, like, play in my face and now to act like I didn't do any of the things I did and insinuate I'm a liar.

[Malika Haqq]

Look, he needed you to complete that documentary, but I feel there were questions that I'm sure were asked to him, and he couldn't answer it. You answered them. He just didn't like the answers. That doesn't make it not true. All the rest of that is not your problem. And I know. I know why things irritate you, too, because you're also like, here I am again. I was there for you to help you save your life. I'm here for you to help you explain your life. And I'm still the bad guy. I'm still getting kind of, you know, like you. The short end. It doesn't feel good. I get that. But that's why you're done. Beyond done.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, even in the documentary, when he said something about him getting drugs after he overdosed, he's like, yeah, but why would a drug dealer give Lamar Odom drugs knowing what he went through? No, no. Why would you call a drug deal? You know what I mean? Like, it's always everyone else's fault. It's not his. And then I saw on some clip that the person was like, did you watch the documentary? Or, like, how'd you feel about it? He's like, I didn't watch the whole. I didn't watch it all, but I will. First of all,

[Malika Haqq]

that couldn't be further from the truth.

[Khloe Kardashian]

This person loves to watch himself. You're telling me.

[Malika Haqq]

No, he walked in my house with a picture of himself on his T shirt.

[Khloe Kardashian]

On his shirt.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. That's a different kind of love.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You're telling me that you have a documentary for yourself, and you're trying to say publicly that you never saw it? Boy, please. Yeah, let's not.

[Malika Haqq]

I call bs.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Let's not. I just think he wasn't expecting this response, and now he's trying to sort of slander me a little bit, which frustrates me. I think you.

[Malika Haqq]

You know, if I can leave you with anything that I feel like, again, you should know is everything you have done is honorable and it does not serve you as an individual. But what it does do is speak to highly about the heart and the way you care for people. If you ever said you did. If he doesn't honor that, so what? Stick with the people that have been like, God, she was such A great wife, and she really is even a great person for doing this documentary. Because I wouldn't have. I've seen so much stuff where people are like, I wouldn't have done anything for him. Look at what he did to her then, look at what he does now. And I'm like, you really do let things roll off your back. But I think you pay more attention to the positive. He's not a positive person. I don't think he has that to give.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You're sitting on camera saying you married me for fame. What?

[Malika Haqq]

Like, Nat's weak. It's, it's all the, all the conversation is very weak.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But I saw some TikTok was like, wait, am I such a fool? Because I thought they really loved each other. Da, da, da. And the person was like, did anyone else feel that way? And I was like, no, I think

[Malika Haqq]

that's what you say now after your wife has left you and it's been a decade later. Yeah, I said that. And you kind of have mud on your face.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But he has, hasn't said that for years.

[Malika Haqq]

That was never the truth. Kk What? It was never true that he married. He's saying that now.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But why is he saying it in his documentary?

[Malika Haqq]

He's saying it now because he. That's the only leg he has to stand on.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That's insane.

[Malika Haqq]

He can't get you back.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But you're asking me.

[Malika Haqq]

He just texts me. Right, but you're asking how KK will be family forever. Right, but you're. I don't understand how that in your

[Khloe Kardashian]

documentary and behind the scenes, you, your friends, you guys are all saying how you were with me just for fame. That's like some fucked up shit. Like, I feel so dumb. I spent hours in time doing this documentary as a favor. I'm not paid one penny. Yeah, I didn't do any. Like, people are like, oh, I wonder how much she got paid. What?

[Malika Haqq]

Well, look, it doesn't make him look good at all.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, but I am not.

[Malika Haqq]

I mean, if that is. If his, if that's his ego talking and that in some way is supposed to make him look like he doesn't care about Chloe. It didn't work. It didn'. It doesn't even make him look good.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Listen, I let go the blow up sex doll he got made of me two years ago. Yeah. Which I thought was like embarrassing. The most sociopathic.

[Malika Haqq]

Disgusting.

[Khloe Kardashian]

How violating. How gross. What is wrong with you?

[Malika Haqq]

Because he just does things for money

[Khloe Kardashian]

or for fame like he tries to get for attention. Gross.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Anyways, I don't want to give this that much. One deep breath, but I am, like, the amount of messages I'm getting, everyone is shocked. Like, how did the tune change so much? And I think it's changed just because he's seeing the response. And now he's like, oh, I'm gonna attack her because she's getting so much love. Someone told me I'm like the icon on the Netflix special. I'm like, you're mad at me about your portrayal, but that's what you gave them. It's crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

I mean, I guess weak people often pick someone to be, like, the bad guy, the fall person. And unfortunately, you are in that seat quite often, but I think you now are removing yourself. So this is just, like the final straw with him over it. I gave you your stuff back. I did your documentary. I think we're done here.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And what's crazy is he says over and over again, it's coke. It's coke. When we were together, and I would say, like, you're smoking crack. He would be like, don't say crack. Crack is a poor man's drug. Say coke because it comes off more expensive.

[Malika Haqq]

Excuse me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So if you see the documentary, all he does is reference coke because he won't say the word crack. And I'm almost thinking, is that why he was mad at me?

[Malika Haqq]

I'll be honest with you. I would probably still be working with you till this day if it weren't for him. He is the reason I left. Well, I didn't want to be around that stuff.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, and that's also, like, I haven't said 90% of the stories I have.

[Malika Haqq]

This is why I'm going. Sir, I want you to stop talking because I don't want to get in a position where I feel like I have to even defend you and couldn't have been nice.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Be normal, sir, because information I offered because I have 90. Literally, this was only 10% of the

[Malika Haqq]

shit that it was nothing compared to photos and receipts and all those things. So it's like, remember, yes, you are dealing with decent people, but don't take our kindness for weakness.

[Khloe Kardashian]

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[Khloe Kardashian]

It's just proof that when someone's in your past, they're normally in your past for a reason.

[Malika Haqq]

I know.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So that's.

[Malika Haqq]

You can't even be kind like that.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, that's the lesson. And especially you can't be kind to people that are such fucking users. Yeah, even the messages he sends you, oh, get my daughter your My daughter needs an A manager. Yeah. Hook her up with Chris. Not even hi. You can't say hello?

[Malika Haqq]

No, he knows. He doesn't. He gets straight to the point. All you do is respond to him. I don't respond to him anyway because he should. I want him to literally know that I read it and I.

[Khloe Kardashian]

We talk about receipts on.

[Malika Haqq]

No, but he knows I read it. You know what I mean? Because any other time that he's ever called me or text me, I respond. So, you know, I've seen your message. I want you to know that I've read it. I want you to know that we're talking about you and that your access has been denied. That's what I want you to know. I have seen, like, clips from, like, on TikTok. Basically, like, someone will pull something that you said, and then they'll, like, narrate their feelings behind it. And it. One thing that made me happy. I want to share this with you because I think I shared something else. One thing that made me happy was to see so many people read your heart the same, that they were the same way you've always been, but that they didn't know you were at that time. Because it's one thing to just say, like, yeah, I was there at the hospital. I did all of these things that maybe a nurse should have been doing. I was scared for you. I never wanted to leave Las Vegas,

[Khloe Kardashian]

but I was like, I don't want

[Malika Haqq]

to be here anymore. I love you anyway. Not about me. I just feel like the things that I heard people say where they're just like, God, she really is a good soul. Like, something like, these guys really have not deserved her. But it's. I think, what is wrong with all of them? Well, I think they know how to

[Khloe Kardashian]

pick, and I don't.

[Malika Haqq]

Well, we need to be more judgmental.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I know. I don't.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, I think we need to be more judgmental. Because the truth is, is if you see someone that doesn't carry the qualities and characteristics that you are, no one has to be like you, but should have your heart, someone should have your depth, someone should lead with the spirit the way that you do. You'll never be with another man like that again.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's dark man, period.

[Malika Haqq]

If that's the safest thing you find, so be it. Right there with you.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And then people are. Was like, why haven't you had a date in four years? I'm like, are we.

[Malika Haqq]

Have you seen the history?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Want to go back, Jen? Let's go back 10 years and I can give you every man I've been with and what fucking trauma they cause me on a daily basis. Would you be skipping into your next relationship or would you be immersed in watching your stunning, beautiful children grow up and build core lifelong memories? I'm not letting a man with me right now.

[Malika Haqq]

Can you imagine? We don't cry on pillows. We don't miss moments with our children or our families.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, never puffy. I haven't used eye drops in decades.

[Malika Haqq]

My skin's the best it's ever, ever been. I sleep like I'm not worried about someone's coming home, what they're doing, who they're with. You could. My nervous system is regulated.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I got regulated. I got my heart checked the other day and the guy was like, how are you? Guy was like, how did you. Why are your levels like. They're astronomical. You're amazing.

[Malika Haqq]

You're like a 15 year old.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What did you do? I said I sleep at night. Literally. That was my answer. Sleep? Yeah, that's it.

[Malika Haqq]

It's very important.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Very important. And these men are not. No.

[Malika Haqq]

I said the only thing that I will allow to rattle my nervous system is the stock market. That's it. I will never be in another situation with someone where I feel that disturbed.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Doesn't that feel bad by who?

[Malika Haqq]

You are my no game. No.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I think the first sign if someone's stressing me out or like, I know when I can, like, get out of my character, I'm like, actually, I will never fucking text.

[Malika Haqq]

You'll never see me again.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, you're blocked.

[Malika Haqq]

We don't do that anymore. Crazy. It took us to get here to figure it out, but that's fine. I'll take it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Because now we're good for our kids and that's really all that matters. I know I don't need to be good for another adult. I'm good for my children.

[Malika Haqq]

I think someone will be good for you one day. One day.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's not a mother thought. I know.

[Malika Haqq]

It just don't talk about happy.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Talk about bliss.

[Malika Haqq]

I know. This is joy right here. It really is me and you on a sofa.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, it really is. Just single with kids. Just talking shit. Happy.

[Malika Haqq]

Unbothered.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, what's going on? Dating for you.

[Malika Haqq]

Absolutely nothing. No, literally, absolutely nothing.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Okay, so who's on your list? Like, what are five manifestation things that you want out of a man?

[Malika Haqq]

He looks like George Clooney slash Richard Kere. Okay.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Love.

[Malika Haqq]

He's deaf. Older than me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Okay.

[Malika Haqq]

Right. Seasoned, probably eats dinner at 4:30, goes to bed at 6, you know, stop. Yeah. And then I can go have, like, a glass of wine at your house while he's sleep. And then we get up and have an early breakfast. And he might name a yacht after me or something. I don't know.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Okay. What about anything on the inside?

[Malika Haqq]

He cannot be his own leader. He has to be, like, Christ led or have some, I don't know, higher power. No, because, you know, that ego there's like, I run my life. I'm the reason I'm so successful. I'm like, that's cool and all. You can support yourself and think highly of your work ethic. But, like, if your higher power is yourself. No. No. Absolutely not. So I'll never, never be led by someone that doesn't have a strong spiritual, like, compass.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Do you need someone to be your same religion?

[Malika Haqq]

No.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Okay.

[Malika Haqq]

No, I actually believe that, like, being led by spirit is more important to me than who you pray to. Right. I believe we. If you pray, I believe it's all your God. My God. My relationship with God is my relationship. So your relationship with God I don't get involved in. I would love a man that I can pray with. I need a really good, strong leader because, as you know, I have a tendency to get in my head. I want someone that has a life that's totally different from mine. Like, I don't care if he makes those books. Like, when we come together, we just have two different lives that actually work together, and it's cohesive and joyful. I'd love a great father figure for my son. That would be. My son really wants that. I would like to have one more kid. I don't know. It's fine if we don't. Ace will always be enough for me. That's fine. But it's not enough for Ace. Like, he's like, where's my baby, Mommy? He keeps saying, where's my baby? And where's my pet? And I'm like, you'll probably get a baby before you get a pet. What? Because they eventually grow up and take care of themselves. I can't do the. I can't do it. I'm not telling Ace that he won't get one. I'm just saying, you know, mommy is doing the best that she can to take care of you, and you're just gonna have to give mommy a minute. Why don't we go to Target and get a new toy? I just kind of, you know, that's my thing. It's terrible.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You're talking to me no, no, no.

[Malika Haqq]

I'd like a new toy.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, I feel like you knew your manifestation list quite quickly, so that's good. That means you're thinking about it.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, I think I wrote it down. What about yours?

[Khloe Kardashian]

I don't have one at all.

[Malika Haqq]

So what are you manifesting? It doesn't have to be a man. So what are you manifesting?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Manifesting. I mean, I'm just like, happy, healthy. I like just being as present as possible. But I am really fixated on some of my businesses. Like brand new businesses are like babies. So I'm needing to give a lot of energy and time there and first and foremost, my kids. But, like, that's what. Or my energy goes. It's not like, if it's not work, it's my kids. If it's my kids, it's work. And then I just don't think about a man right now. I really don't. And I'm not mad about that.

[Malika Haqq]

I get it. So is there anything else that you want that you don't have?

[Khloe Kardashian]

I mean, I'm sure if I think about things, I think what I would love is to learn to balance, like, friend life a little more. Sometimes I'm like, oh, I would love to do this once a week, but knowing that's not realistic for me. Cause like, the weeks get away from me.

[Malika Haqq]

Right.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But like, really making it. Why can't I twice a month go to a dinner with my friends? Like, sometimes I feel like I need to schedule it and then once I'm there, I'm great.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, but you have to have the energy to actually do it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And sometimes I don't. But I know when I'm there, I have so much fun and I need that for my soul.

[Malika Haqq]

See, our relationship is, like, very different. We spent a lot of our time growing up side by side, and now as we've gotten older, it separated us. A lot of people don't see their friends every day. They, like, see them maybe on the weekend or on their birthday. I think that's kind of normal.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I don't know what's normal anymore. I really, really don't. Just a few random girl chat questions. First core memories of each other.

[Malika Haqq]

First core memories. The day I met you, which was. God, I think I was at Andre's house. I was like, I was going for the age. I think I was 16. 17. Yeah, 16 or 17. And you were like a platinum blonde.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yep.

[Malika Haqq]

I was like, who's this tall drink of water? And you laughed exactly the same, but you were sweet and so Inviting. Cause I didn't even know if I was gonna talk to you.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I was like, oh, my God's boyfriend was one of my best friends. And he. Which we didn't realize at the time, but he kept us apart from each other. I think he just was like. He knew we would fall in love and be besties. So he was like, I'm not doing this. And he kept us apart. And I was picking something up from Andre's house. Cause he lived so close to me at the time.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And Malika answered the door, and I was like, hey, you look like a nice girl. And we were just, like, chatting. And we just chatted in the dorm room.

[Malika Haqq]

Can we hang out, like, the next day or something?

[Khloe Kardashian]

And then I met your sister, and me and your sister became besties while you were with Andre. And we just were obsessed.

[Malika Haqq]

Inseparable. We've been together ever since.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Ever since. Thoughts on audiobooks versus reading a book.

[Malika Haqq]

Ooh. So I love actual books.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Same.

[Malika Haqq]

I love texture. I love the way they feel. I love the smell. But practicality, if I just need to get information, and I'm trying to get two things done at once, whether I'm walking. I like to listen to an audiobook.

[Khloe Kardashian]

So I don't feel like I retain the information as well. Like, for audio. I like it and it's time saving. But if I have a real book and can highlight or whatever, I just remember it so much more.

[Malika Haqq]

So studious of you.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Social anxiety. Do you have it?

[Malika Haqq]

Highly. A. Really? And it's weird because I was not like this when we were younger.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I know.

[Malika Haqq]

My social anxiety is so bad. I can feel someone looking at me from behind.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I think it's a Covid thing. I think it was born.

[Malika Haqq]

I think I was 20, 24. It just got worse. Now that I have a kid, maybe I feel like I have eyes around my entire head.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, yeah, that's. That's.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm too aware, so it's not enjoyable. I'm like, I'll just stay home.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That's being a mom.

[Malika Haqq]

But Ace makes me go to restaurants.

[Khloe Kardashian]

He's very social.

[Malika Haqq]

He's. Oh, my God. He made me my. He was introducing me and my mom to someone in Costco. He didn't even know her.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, hi.

[Malika Haqq]

He was like, hi, I'm Ace. What's your name? This is my mom.

[Khloe Kardashian]

This is my ema.

[Malika Haqq]

It was like, oh, my God, he's so cute. But he, like, makes me talk to people, and I have anxiety.

[Khloe Kardashian]

But that's good. Maybe that's what you need.

[Malika Haqq]

He'll help me grow out of it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

How do you feel when you watch old clips of you on TikTok?

[Malika Haqq]

I think the funniest tiktoks that I see are like the compilation videos that people do of you and I. Those are always so funny.

[Khloe Kardashian]

They're so cute.

[Malika Haqq]

They go so far back. We were so young. I'm like, wow, those Keeping up days are like different scenes. And like, Courtney and Khloe take Miami. I'm like, oh, my goodness, do you forget?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like, for me. And I don't know if it's because I film so much, but, like, Keeping up was on. And Sevaz and Rel were like, do you want to watch this? I was like, sure, let's see what it is. Because, like, do you know what this means? Kendall and Kylie ruin. Like, the description was like, kendall and Kylie damage Chris's rug, something. And I was like, I have no idea. I was like, you guys, we filmed so much. I like, I don't know. It's hard watching it. I. I don't remember one fucking thing. And then like, there's some episodes, it's like, I'm right there. I remember, but some are just like, I don't know, I don't remember a thing. Do you see stuff like that and you're like, oh, I need to watch this? Cause I don't remember.

[Malika Haqq]

No, I just see a lot of things, even of Chloe and Lamar show. And I was like, oh, my goodness. Like, we really did. And that was like two seasons, right? I was like, we did a lot. We did a lot. A lot.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, there was a lot.

[Malika Haqq]

And I don't. Like, we have really great memories together, but there's just some moments where I'm like, me and this girl really used to rip and run.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Ah, we were busy. How quickly do you respond to emails?

[Malika Haqq]

Ooh, I'm slow these days. It's.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I sort of respect that.

[Malika Haqq]

I'm a little slow these days and I. I don't love it, but I think that's because there's things in my life that need to be better organized so that I can, like, I just, like, don't have a full time assistant now, so there's more things that I'm physically doing because they're in front of me. I tr. Sometimes I just, like, don't even know where my phone is. So what I try to do is don't go to the phone and I'll sit in my closet and then go on the computer and try to go through my emails. That way, for some reason, when it's a little bigger, I feel less. I don't know. I get more stuff done too.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Okay. I get annoyed with how quickly I will respond to things sometimes. Cause, like, now that I. My day is running away from me, I can't. And I have over a hundred new emails from today. I'm like, I don't have the energy for this right now.

[Malika Haqq]

My picture of you in my head. You have your hand, your phone in your hand.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yeah, that's not good.

[Malika Haqq]

And you're responding to something that's not good. But you have a very full life, honey. There's a lot going on.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Are you an exclamation point person? Facts. I am. Like, I need you to know how

[Malika Haqq]

serious I am about it. I'm screaming, yeah, I'm gonna put a couple. Yeah,

[Khloe Kardashian]

but why are girls like this? Why don't we do that?

[Malika Haqq]

We're just. We're dramatic.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That's everything I'm screaming about. I'm just so happy. And I'm like, in real life, I'm not that happy. Why am I so happy? It's crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

You like a little extra emphasis on things. I think it's part of your character.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's cute. I don't know why I'm like that. Crying in public.

[Malika Haqq]

Oh, I will cry anywhere. Nothing's changed about me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, it's crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

I feel it. I cannot. I cannot hold back my emotions.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, I know, but the crying has really. I can't believe you're not over it.

[Malika Haqq]

No. It's really hardwired in who I am.

[Khloe Kardashian]

It's crazy.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Very crystal.

[Malika Haqq]

Till you cry. Oh, me and Chris are just, like,

[Khloe Kardashian]

in that way, crying over anything.

[Malika Haqq]

But we feel deeply. Honey.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, it's great. I just don't know how you guys do it.

[Malika Haqq]

It doesn't bother us so much. No, we think it's healthy.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What is your bedtime routine? Now, I know you used to like a glass of wine and to go to bed.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah. So no, now we're going to tea.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Tea.

[Malika Haqq]

Tea.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Like chamomile.

[Malika Haqq]

Like, it's giving, like, sometimes like a liver. Kidney flush recently. Oh, yeah.

[Khloe Kardashian]

A little metal.

[Malika Haqq]

Better ginger, honey. Like, I switch it up.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I thought you were gonna say like a liver tea. I was like, that's.

[Malika Haqq]

No, no, no, no, no. Not the actual protein.

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Ugh.

[Malika Haqq]

I like to take my vitamins, wash my face, mask my hands.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Oh, my God.

[Malika Haqq]

I mean, it takes almost as long at night to get ready for bed as it does to get ready in the morning.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Seriously, are you one of those girls that do like the mouth tape and all that?

[Malika Haqq]

No, I started that and I got over it so quickly.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I cannot be one of them.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, I just. I was just.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Weird Ace sleep through the night.

[Malika Haqq]

He does, but he has a new thing where he wakes up around like 5am and gets in bed with me.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That's fine.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, but it's awful. From five to six with him in bed. No, he's. Because he's a spinner. It's just like I get kicked in the face. I actually got up this morning and got in his bed and he came to his room. He goes, mommy, why did you leave your bed? I was like, you kicked me, honey. He's like, oh, I'm so sorry. I was so sleep.

[Khloe Kardashian]

What is your criteria for people to get close to you?

[Malika Haqq]

Patience. I require quite a bit of patience because I don't let people in the way I once did.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Sometimes you and your sister just pick up random people that you guys become friends with.

[Malika Haqq]

So don't you. I don't have any randoms. I have no strays right now.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No. But I'll see you guys. Like, be like, happy birthday to so and so. I'm like, to who? I don't know. I don't know these people ever. Haven't seen them. Don't know them. You'll be at like their birthday lunch. And I'm like, honestly, Malika, go home.

[Malika Haqq]

Oh, no, that was Khadijah. Are you talking about. I told you, like, she is like, mom friends.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, I don't really have any mom friends. She loves a friend.

[Malika Haqq]

You know her. She's got like her church group and I'm happy she's got her. You know, she's like a real mom.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Find the next time I see it on your stories, I'm going to be like, I sent you that.

[Malika Haqq]

Nice.

[Khloe Kardashian]

I know you will, but you do make random friends.

[Malika Haqq]

I don't have any randoms. I swear. I think the last time I made a friend was like four years ago. And she's my business partner now, so,

[Khloe Kardashian]

yes, Anna's one of them.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, that's about it.

[Khloe Kardashian]

No, there's others. I'll send it to you. Don't worry. What are you talking about? Who are these random.

[Malika Haqq]

Are you jealous?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, you're.

[Malika Haqq]

You could never be jealous. You're first in my eyes, girl.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Thank you. That's all I need to hear sometimes.

[Malika Haqq]

You or it's you.

[Khloe Kardashian]

That's all I need to hear sometimes. And I know I don't have the energy, so go hang out.

[Malika Haqq]

Neither do I.

[Khloe Kardashian]

With Anna and the other ones. But just know when I call, it's on. I can't wait till she sees May 8th. Okay, it's on May.

[Malika Haqq]

May 8th. We're having a date. You and I. We're going out. And Cameron? Yeah?

[Khloe Kardashian]

Who else is on the list?

[Malika Haqq]

Oh, my God. I'm gonna tell him to send it to us. Hold on.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Yep.

[Malika Haqq]

Send us the dinner list, the invite list, the list.

[Khloe Kardashian]

And I also need to know, like, vibes of clothing.

[Malika Haqq]

Nosy. We want to know the invite list for your birthday. Don't worry, we're still going to come. But we think we might want to make a few edits.

[Khloe Kardashian]

You can't edit someone else's birthday.

[Malika Haqq]

Yeah, we can.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Well, Malik, this was fun. I would love to do this again. It was an easy, breezy let's. Whenever you have love, I will come

[Malika Haqq]

and hang out with you. Thank you for having me in wonderland again.

[Khloe Kardashian]

Thank you. Okay, let's go continue our date.

[Malika Haqq]

All right, let's do it.