EP282: Celebrity Aura News: Hugh Jackman’s Divorce, Beckham Family Drama and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives

Summary

Know Your Aura with Mystic Michaela

Episode 282: Celebrity Aura News: Hugh Jackman’s Divorce, Beckham Family Drama and Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
Release Date: June 5, 2025

Overview

In this episode, Mystic Michaela and co-host Scotty dive into the spiritual side of pop culture with their Celebrity Aura News segment. They analyze the aura colors and energetic dynamics behind three hot topics:

1. The drama surrounding Hugh Jackman’s recent divorce and rumored betrayal
2. The ongoing Beckham family tensions, focusing on Victoria and David Beckham’s dynamic and the wedding incident
3. A deep-dive into the reality show “Mormon Wives” (also referred to as MomTok or the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives), breaking down the cast’s aura colors and toxic dynamics, as well as the authenticity and production of reality TV
   All with Mystic Michaela’s trademark blend of aura analysis, psychic intuition, humor, and pop-culture expertise.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Hugh Jackman’s Divorce & Aura Analysis

[02:28 – 11:49]

• The News:
  Hugh Jackman’s divorce from Deborra-Lee Furness (after ~30 years) has heated up due to rumors of betrayal, and he is now with Sutton Foster.

  • Major buzz: Deborra’s statement about the “traumatic journey of betrayal” implying infidelity.

• Aura Readings:

  • Hugh Jackman:
    • Green, Indigo, Purple:
      • “He’s so purple… the theater kid gone on steroids.” (03:11 – Scotty)
      • Very sensitive (indigo), introspective (green = planning + control), but passionate and prone to emotional lows.
      • “It’s hard being a tricolor. It’s hard being an indigo guy. So I think the green tries to come in and control the emotions. But then the guy's got some purple issues and apparently one of them is a betrayal.” (03:49 – Michaela)
    • Suggests his emotional depth and need for self-expression may have led to infidelity when words failed.
    • Past aura analysis: He used to dim his light in the relationship (especially when younger), possibly due to Deborra’s dominant energy.
  • Deborra-Lee Furness:
    • Yellow and Purple:
      • “She’s more in charge… she’s been in charge in the marriage.” (04:35 – Michaela)
    • Power dynamic: Strong-willed, center-stage energy, may have contributed to imbalance.
    • “She also understood who she married in some ways… he’s got, you know, he’s purple. He… he gets really close to people.”
  • Sutton Foster:
    • Purple-Blue:
      • “A very strong personality… he goes for very strong women.” (09:20 – Michaela)
      • Relationship began when both were still married; chemistry started on Broadway.

• Notable Quotes:

  • “Sometimes when we don’t say what we want with our voices, we do things that we shouldn’t do with our actions instead.” (06:28 – Michaela)
  • “Two things can be true. We can make mistakes and not be horrific people.” (06:52 – Michaela)

• Audience Reaction & Recovery:

  • Scotty predicts Jackman will survive the scandal due to sheer talent and likability:
    • “He’s so talented… that he’s gonna be able to surpass this.” (07:38 – Scotty)
    • “With Hugh, people are like, oh, like the puppy dog that made a mistake vibe.” (08:18 – Michaela)

• Financial & Personal Fallout:

  • No prenup, long marriage, major assets: “She was there for 30 years, so guess who’s getting a lot of that? She is and should.” (11:12 – Michaela)
  • Messy legal and emotional territory, complicated by strong personalities and lack of closure.

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2. Beckham Family Drama & Relational Energies

[14:05 – 23:34]

• The News:

  • Tension between Victoria Beckham and daughter-in-law Nicola Peltz, centered on a bizarre wedding incident where Victoria “stole” the spotlight dance with her son Brooklyn.
    • “Marc Anthony allegedly is about to announce Nicola… 'This dance is dedicated to the most beautiful woman in the room, Victoria Beckham'… and allegedly Nicola ran out of the ballroom crying.” (18:29–18:55 – Michaela)

• Aura Readings & Family Dynamics:

  • Victoria Beckham:
    • Indigo, Yellow, Purple:
      • “A little out of touch… she’s got to control her environment a lot… ego hijacked side definitely leads it.” (19:16 – Michaela)
      • Possessive, controlling, possibly codependent/tight with son Brooklyn
      • “She’s a bit of a clinger and maybe she has to.” (21:38 – Michaela)
  • David Beckham:
    • Yellow, Purple:
      • “He’s very disciplined… probably why their relationship works.” (20:24 – Michaela)
      • The grounding logic color in a house full of purple/indigo/blue
  • Brooklyn Beckham:
    • Purple, Blue: Sensitive, drawn to strong maternal energies.
  • Nicola Peltz (Brooklyn’s wife):
    • Indigo, Purple: Another strong, sensitive energy.
    • Clash = “Indigo vs Indigo… daughter-in-law will always win that—Victoria is extra clingy.” (22:17 – Michaela)

• Notable Quotes:

  • “It’s super relatable… this same drama happens at any wedding.” (15:03 – Michaela)
  • “Indigos, when they can get ego hijacked, can get very possessive.” (19:16 – Michaela)
  • “I never got the best vibe from her [Victoria Beckham]. She does feel, like, a little out of touch.” (19:16 – Michaela)

• Theme:

  • Even “simple” celebrity families have universal struggles—power struggles, in-law drama, and rivalry are common to all.

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3. Secret Lives of Mormon Wives (MomTok) Reality Show Deep-Dive

[25:35 – 54:56]

General Notes:

• Mystic Michaela and Scotty dissect the ‘Mormon Wives’ reality series as a microcosm of social, familial, and influencer dynamics—using aura analysis to uncover hidden motivations and emotional states.
• Several segments bring humor and pop-culture references (e.g., “Jumanji time” for sexual activities, inside jokes about Comic Con, etc.) while discussing real critiques of reality TV production.

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Individual Cast Members: Aura Breakdowns & Dynamics

| Cast Member | Aura Colors | Key Insights & Memorable Moments | |----------------|--------------------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | Taylor | Purple-Blue | Authentic, “hot mess purple,” drama-magnet, family scapegoat. Family dynamic scrutinized: “Her mom got the, like, facelift to look just like her. That was creepy.” (28:33 – Scotty). Scene with store-bought pie was “so purple.” (31:48 – Michaela) | | Whitney | Blue-Yellow | Strived for control (“yellows her way back in”), used baby as shield for sympathy: “You can’t yell at a girl with a baby.” (36:26 – Scotty). Scotty: “She seems transactional to me.” (34:56) | | Macy | Red-Purple | “Touchstone”/voice of reason, logical and neutral (37:06). Not involved in drama, knows when to step back. | | Mikayla | Turquoise-Yellow | Emerged strong this season, “Do not f*** with Mikayla… she’s just like, ‘we’re done.'” (39:38 – Michaela). Stands up for herself, forceful with boundaries. | | Jen (& Zach)| Pink-Purple-Blue (Jen), Purple-Blue (Zach) | Struggles in marriage, emotionally vulnerable, avoids confrontation with “fawning.” TV makes their issues much worse (“She seems like someone that really probably shouldn't be on TV.” – 44:38, Scotty) | | Leila | Yellow-Blue | Given very little storyline: “Her one storyline is that she plays Jumanji and can't say the word Jumanji.” (45:25 – Scotty). Used repeatedly as “producer stooge.”
| Demi (& Brett)| Blue-Purple (Demi), Yellow-? (Brett) | Jealousy and inauthentic rivalry toward Taylor: “It is jealousy.” (48:42 – Michaela). Brett seen as “mansplainer,” pushing Demi’s visibility. | | Other Supporting| Various | Jesse, Madison, and other side players caught up in manufactured drama out of PR/producer interference. |

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Reality TV Analysis: Producer Manipulations & Audience Perceptions

• Fabricated Drama:
  • Storylines often orchestrated by producers with certain wives acting as their “stooge.”
  • E.g., Layla forced to take humiliating roles (“pregnancy roulette,” Jumanji-game jokes).
• Aura Colors & Real-Life Parallels:
  • Authentic “purple” energy imbalances (ownership of flaws vs toxic insecurity).
  • The way energy presents: Taylor (outward, bold), Demi (inward, shame), Mikayla (protective, direct).
• Memorable Critique:
  • “This show is the furthest thing from women’s empowerment—it's women tearing each other down.” (41:41 – Scotty)
• Notable Subplots:
  • Demis’ insecurity about Taylor’s popularity.
  • Attempts to manufacture infidelity and rivalry for ratings.
  • PR/brand deal angling.
• Production Tea:
  • “There is a Utah mom… who got cut. Maybe even surpass Taylor… problem with ketamine, so she got cut.” (55:21 – Scotty)
• Mystic Michaela’s Offer:
  • “If you want aura readings as part of your next storyline—I know an aura reader!” (46:42 – Michaela, offering to help Layla get a better arc)

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4. Noteworthy Quotes & Moments

• On Hugh Jackman:
  • “He’s a 56-year-old theater kid… sings, dances, jump ropes, plays Wolverine—does it all.” (03:15–03:21 – Scotty)
  • “Two things can be true. We can make mistakes and not be horrific people.” (06:52 – Michaela)
• On Victoria Beckham:
  • “She does feel… a little about me with everything… she’s got to control her environment a lot.” (19:16 – Michaela)
• On Taylor (Mormon Wives):
  • “She is on a cauldron in the pot and throwing the logs under herself.” (27:27 – Michaela)
  • On family support: “Your family is bad. That… they suck. Who talks to you that way?” (31:48 – Michaela)
• On MomTok’s ‘Empowerment’:
  • “My goal for Mom Talk is women’s empowerment… this show is the furthest thing from it!” (41:05/41:41 – Scotty)
• Reality TV Parenting:
  • “The baby… used as a shield. You can’t yell at a girl with a baby.” (36:26 – Scotty)
• On Producer Manipulation:
  • “Her one storyline is that she plays Jumanji and can’t say the word Jumanji… that is horrific to me.” (45:25 – Scotty)
• On Demi & Taylor Rivalry:
  • “What triggers us in others usually has a lot to say about ourselves.” (50:46 – Michaela)
• On Mikayla (Turquoise aura):
  • “You don’t want a turquoise to be mad at you… she’s just like, ‘we’re done. Never gonna happen.'” (39:38 – Michaela)
• On In-Law Drama:
  • “Indigo versus Indigo, and the daughter-in-law is always gonna win.” (22:17 – Michaela)

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Segment Timestamps

| Segment | Timestamp | |-----------------------------------------------|------------| | Hugh Jackman Divorce & Aura Breakdown | 02:28–11:49| | Beckham Family Drama & Auras | 14:05–23:34| | Mormon Wives: Taylor & Family | 25:35–32:25| | Whitney Aura & Baby Tactics | 32:55–36:44| | Macy & Mikayla Analysis | 37:06–40:15| | Jen & Zach: Toxic TV Couple | 40:38–44:34| | Leila and the “Jumanji” Storyline | 44:57–47:13| | Demi, Brett, and the Taylor Rivalry | 47:34–52:41| | Other MomTok Cast, Producer Influence | 52:41–54:56| | “Cut” Mormon Wife Rumor | 55:07–55:44|

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Overall Tone and Style

• Conversational, witty, and accessible
• Playful use of recurring catchphrases (e.g., “They did what?”)
• Honest, sometimes biting critique of both celebrities and reality TV
• Mix of pop-culture critique and genuine spiritual insight, never too earnest or self-serious

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Tuned In

This episode delivers an energetic, often hilarious, and deeply insightful critique of celebrity news and reality TV through the unique lens of aura reading. Whether you’re interested in pop culture scandal, spiritual self-awareness, or just want a refreshing take on what’s really going on beneath the surface, Mystic Michaela and Scotty keep it lively, real, and surprisingly deep.
You’ll walk away with a new appreciation for the emotional and energetic forces driving the headlines—and maybe a few psychic tools for decoding your own “aura drama” at home.

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For More Aura Analysis:
Explore Mystic Michaela’s quizzes and substack for deeper dives, especially on reality TV auras!

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Transcript

[A]

Foreign.

[B]

Spiritual family. Welcome to Know youw Aura with mystic Michaela. Today we are talking about celebrity aura news. All the celebrity news you wanted to know about, but in aura color. And I am here with celebrity popologist, popular columnist, gossip celebritist, Scotty. Hey, Scotty.

[A]

Hey, guys. Well, you know, this week I'm gonna. I'm gonna be honest. I'm a little bit behind on my pop culture.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because I have been spending so much of my time watching the Mormon Wives.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

I don't. I'm not even gonna call them Mormon wives. The wives.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay. I don't think they're Mormon anymore.

[B]

Right.

[A]

I did the first season. Now I don't. But.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I've been spending so much time with that show, then I feel I'm behind on all the other things. Pop culture. That normally I would know about.

[B]

Yeah, normally you do.

[A]

Normally I would, but. All right, so this is interesting.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Let's start this segment. We're gonna call it. They did what?

[B]

They did what?

[A]

They did what?

[B]

What?

[A]

What did they do?

[B]

What?

[A]

What?

[B]

Okay, if we had a bigger budget.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I would love to have some sort of audio intro to this random segment.

[A]

Right.

[B]

They did what?

[A]

Okay, so what did they do? Well, and this is just on the piece of paper people that I'm reading. I don't.

[B]

I just give Scott an outline.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Wait, you're the celebrity pop out.

[A]

Oh, sorry. Well, this week I'm behind.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, so we have. Okay. Hugh Jackman is up first. Now. Here's. This is interesting. I did actually see this. I was watching the Today show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And Hugh Jackman, they did a segment on him and he was just doing jumping jacks. After jumping. He was jump roping. Jump roping. He was jump roping. And he was like doing a whole routine with a jump rope.

[B]

It was amazing.

[A]

An amazing.

[B]

A physical feat.

[A]

And all the people on the Today show, even. Including Al.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Were just in awe of this.

[B]

Fawning over him.

[A]

Fawning over. Savannah was drooling.

[B]

Drooling a little Savannah.

[A]

You know, the coast ruling.

[B]

They love him.

[A]

Yes. Carson Daly was out of his mind.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Couldn't even believe it.

[B]

Yeah. And you said.

[A]

And I was like, what is wrong with him? What is going on with Hugh?

[B]

Right. And there are. There's a lot going on with you, Jackson.

[A]

I was, you know.

[B]

Which you didn't.

[A]

You didn't know, but I was picking up his vibe.

[B]

You picked up the vibe.

[A]

Yeah. So what's going on with you?

[B]

Hugh Jackman has been in kind of like this. Okay, so backing it up. Hugh Jackman is married to a woman named Deborah Lee Furness. And they've been married for like 30 years.

[A]

Her last name is Furnace.

[B]

Yeah, I might be. It might be Furnace. I could be signing all this wrong. Okay, just, it's F U R N E S S. Okay.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And they've been married for like 30 years. And about two years ago they announced that they were getting divorced. But it didn't. It was just kind of like lingering there and it hadn't sped up until recently. Where now Hugh Jackman is hanging out with this new woman who I think they're engaged and her name is Sutton Foster. Okay, so everyone. So back to the aura part. Hugh Jackman is green, indigo and very purple. I mean, the guy is so purple.

[A]

I mean, he does it all. Right. He's like theater kid gone on steroids.

[B]

He's a 56 year old theater kid, right?

[A]

Yeah, he sings, he dances, he jump ropes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

He plays Wolverine.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He does it all.

[B]

And you could tell like the past two years he's had kind of like some lows. And sometimes you see him and he's like very emotional and he gets very into his work and he, he just promotes a lot of authenticity. I think that's his indigo. Like he has a lot of lows. He's very sensitive. He's a lot of, you know, I think introspection. He's green too, so you can tell he has a plan to these things. And I think that it's hard being a tricolor. It's hard being an indigo guy. So I think the, the green tries to come in and control the emotions. But then the guy's got some purple issues and apparently one of them is a betrayal. So Deborah Lee Furness said just lately that basically he cheated. She. The. The exact quote was, my heart and compassion goes out to everyone who has trans traverse the traumatic journey of betrayal. So everyone's like, oh my God, they did what? I got to bring it back to that. Like, Hugh Jackman cheated him. He's so perfect.

[A]

Everybody loves Hugh.

[B]

I mean.

[A]

Yeah, I love Hugh.

[B]

Hugh.

[A]

Hugh.

[B]

I mean, the Greatest Showman's like the best movie.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, the greatest showman. He was in Les Mis. Yeah, I think the, the movie version. So many things.

[B]

So many things.

[A]

How could Hugh do this?

[B]

So nobody knows how he could do it. So I had to look at and Deborah together. So Deborah has a yellow and purple aura and yes, she's older than him. That's true. But also I feel like she has this sort of yellowness about her where she's more in charge. And I feel like she's been in charge in the marriage and the relationship. When they got married, he had nothing, you know, and he's amassed this, like, obviously this crazy fortune. By the way, they do not have a prenup, which is going to get messy. And seeing pictures, like, I saw a picture of them at the Met Gala or whatever, like, a few years ago, and he looks really indigo in this photo, but not in a good way. Like, it's very dark, and it's kind of muddled, and I feel like he doesn't always. He's not supposed to shine as brightly as she does, and he feels like he has to, you know, make her center stage, not take away from that. So I wonder if, in the marriage itself, he was very careful not to step out of line in her sight. And I feel like she also understood who she married in some ways, as you do when you're married to somebody for 30 years, you're like, okay, he's got, you know, he's purple. He. He does his things. Like, he gets really close to people. He. When he acts, he's all in. So that lady that he's with now, Sutton Foster, they were actually in, like, the Music man together on Broadway. They met years ago, and I'll get to her in a second. But I feel like the power dynamic in the relationship was very strong. Woman in charge, and he had to get away with things to feel purple or to feel free or to feel like he could do stuff or. And I also feel like he would. And this is not an excuse, like, whatsoever, but sometimes when we don't say what we want with our voices, we. We do things that we shouldn't do with our actions instead. So maybe ending it, you know, earlier or perhaps having a different type of relationship dynamic just wasn't gonna work for him. He. He must have stepped out and did things to create the change, and nobody can. And everybody thinks, oh, my God, does he suck? You know, as a person? And that's complicated. Like, two things can be true. Like, we can make mistakes and not be horrific people, you know, And I think with him, it's kind, and I think we've all been there on different levels where we've done things with our actions because our words wouldn't, you know, we wouldn't reconcile with the words that we needed to say it. If that. Does that make sense?

[A]

Yeah, that makes sense. And I'm going to give my take.

[B]

On this all Right.

[A]

Okay, so this is what I think is going to happen.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think Hugh Jackman is going to survive this.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I'll tell you why.

[B]

Why?

[A]

Okay, so there was another couple that we talked about on this podcast. It was also, like. Like, on the highest of horses and nobody touched them. And that was Ryan Reynolds and what's her name?

[B]

Like, Lively.

[A]

Like, they were like golden children, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But they fell. They fell hard.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. And this is why. And that they fell, and then Hugh is not gonna fall.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Because Hugh is talented.

[B]

He's very talented.

[A]

So talented.

[B]

That jump roping was crazy.

[A]

He's so talented.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That he's gonna be able to. To surpass us.

[B]

We'll all get over it.

[A]

Right. Like the other two. Ryan Reynolds, as I've said many times, he acts himself. He's one actor in all his movies. He's not that talented. Blake Lively. I don't. Zero talent. Zero talent. It's zero. The talent level is zero.

[B]

Okay. Okay.

[A]

So when you have two people with very little talent and then they mess up, they're done.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And people recognize that. But I think he was going to survive here.

[B]

You're okay.

[A]

And he. And let's say he did do the betrayal. He might have. You know, that makes sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But he's going to. He's going to survive this.

[B]

I think you're saying his. He is talented. That's one and two. He's Indigo.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And the purple together in a guy, I feel like people are like, oh, like the. Like the puppy dog that made a mistake vibe. Like, oh, he messed up. He's sorry. Like, that kind of thing. I was looking at pictures from when he first got married, because I think she. She was 14. He was 27 when they got married. And in his pictures back then, like, he is so submissive and so much of a shell of an energy. His energy is so much brighter now than it was then. And I find it interesting. Cause in those Met Gala photos I saw, it's like he was consciously trying to dim his light around her. But then in their old photos I saw when they first got together, he naturally had just a dimmer light. The guy just got. And I think it's just complicated. It's one of those things that's unfortunate. But I gotta talk about Sutton Foster, because everybody's gonna want to know about him. What's interesting is.

[A]

I wasn't actually sure.

[B]

You're like, whatever.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You're like, Sutton, him, her. Like, I don't know. It's a She.

[A]

I mean, you. Yeah, sure.

[B]

She is purple blue. What's interesting about her is she's a very strong personality vibration I get from her. He goes for very strong women.

[A]

He goes for women, but there's no logic color here.

[B]

Yeah. So this. Well, so she was married for 10 years and all of a sudden got divorced. And then he filed for. They kind of obviously stepped out together. This is like just. If you just put two and two together. I don't know if this is true, but obviously the way it looks is that they both stepped out together in some weird purple moment. And maybe Music man on Broadway was involved or something.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And here we are. And anyway, so she's purple blue. She's like a strong energy. She's very purple too. But she feels like she's very vocal. So he definitely goes for strong, you know, strong leadership type women. He likes that. Which makes sense. A lot of empath guys do like stronger headed women. But she's purple blue too, so this could get messy.

[A]

Is it this? They are an actual couple.

[B]

Yeah, they're together. There's the picture of them together.

[A]

Oh, okay.

[B]

See?

[A]

Do you like. Here's a question I have for you. Do you think before Jumanji time that like one of them plays Zac Efron and he plays, you know, and they do the Barnum and Bailey, that song where they both go back and forth about whether he's gonna join the circus or not.

[B]

Oh, whatever. Your vision and visualization of what they do is, Scott. Okay.

[A]

Like for me with Hugh, like, you know, is he gonna wear the Wolverine costume? Scott, there's a lot of things I have these questions about that.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

That's what I wanna know.

[B]

I'm sure a people do at Comic Con and you should hang out with them and have these combos. I don't even know what you're going at.

[A]

I don't know.

[B]

All right, I'm just saying. They did what?

[A]

I'm just saying there's so much purple and blue and indigo here.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

That there could be a lot going on.

[B]

It feels like it's gonna be messy a little bit. Especially now that Deborah came out and said the thing. And she's yellow. So I think she was also holding back her. Her purple yellow receipt holding. Because remember, he amassed a fortune and they have no prenup. And she was there for 30 years. So guess who's getting a lot of that? You know, she is and should. And I think that she's just like, okay, cool, I'm done now. So something happened. And she's like, I'm over it and I'm going full yellow and you cannot escape my financial lawyers.

[A]

Yeah, it's gonna be tough going up against that yellow. All right, our next. They did what?

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[A]

Our next couple. Okay, now this is a family. They're very down to earth. Salt of the earth. People give you the shirt off their back. They're just so. How do I say? I mean in touch.

[B]

In touch.

[A]

They're so in touch. Yeah, they're so empathic towards the common person.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They know how to bend things. They're very good at bending things.

[B]

Okay, who is it gonna be?

[A]

We have Victoria and David Beckham.

[B]

Okay, so on this part of. They did what I'm just. I'm not letting it go. They. See, what you have to understand is really quick. I don't follow these people at all. Like, yeah, I know. Some people, like, know everything. I know that she was in that band Posh. She was a Posh Spice in the Spice Girls.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know anything, except I think he knows how to bend a soccer ball or something. Okay, look, I'm gonna be honest with everyone that's listening right now. I would skip this segment, go to the next one.

[B]

No, this is a good one.

[A]

Oh, it's a good one.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Because these people are.

[B]

No, no, but that's the thing. I found this very interesting because of an article that came up, like, a little bit of a family drama that came out. And I think that sometimes in a family, these little microcosms are really interesting to look at in terms of, like, aura and intrigue and, like, what's going on. And this is actually super relatable, like, for these people who are like, what, Multi, Multi, multimillionaires to have the same kind of drama that occurs at, like, the wedding you went to, like, last weekend.

[A]

Yeah, but they live such simple lives.

[B]

They do.

[A]

Okay, I don't know anything about these people. I don't even know what story you're gonna tell me right now, but I'm ready.

[B]

Okay, so apparently Victoria Beckham, who is indigo yellow and purple, has some sort of issue with her daughter in law. And her daughter in law named is Nicola and Pepper Pelts.

[A]

But.

[B]

And that's the. Nicola is married to her son, Brooklyn. Okay, so.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right. So Brooklyn's her son and Nicola is so apparently. And this just came out, and I read a People article about it. There was the wedding that they had, and it was Brooklyn's wedding. Okay, Brooklyn to Nicola's wedding. And allegedly, I guess, well, they had Marc Anthony singing. And the first song, like the song where the bride and groom dance for the first time, was supposed to be the. Sung by Marc Anthony.

[A]

Can I just jump in here for a second? Do you know that I was once at a Nathan's Hot Dog?

[B]

Oh, yes, you.

[A]

Nathan's Famous Hot Dogs. Yeah, In Long Island. It was me and my buddy Jamie. And Jamie is a goofball, by the way, more goofy than I am. And we're just sitting there Eating our hot dog. And in the booth next to us was Marc Anthony.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And I think at the. And I don't know this. I don't know anything. I think at the time, was he like, with one of the Miss Universe?

[B]

Miss Universe.

[A]

Yeah. And he was with Miss Universe. Yeah, he wasn't with. He was with JLo, right? Mark Anthony.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I think this was before that or after that.

[A]

Yeah. So this was Miss Universe time period.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And first of all, I have to say he was the littlest person I've ever seen.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[A]

He was like, tiny. Like, little. And yeah, I didn't even. Like, Jamie's like. Because like, you know how you're. I'm on one end of the boot. You know, like, booths are together.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, like, his back is on my. Like, our tears were basically touching.

[B]

Oh, really?

[A]

Yeah, because I was on the back, you know, the back of the booth and he was on the back of the booth. Yeah, yeah. So our hairs were touching. I kind of, like, rubbed it a little bit so I could get Anthony's hair on mine. He had good hair. And you know, jb, the whole time is cracking up going, anthrac Anthony. That's Mark Anthony.

[B]

And they just looked like he was.

[A]

Like, goofing on him.

[B]

Yeah, they just looked like two regular people.

[A]

Yeah, they were just like two regular people at night.

[B]

Like, nothing special.

[A]

Of course. Me, I didn't. I'll be honest, I had no idea who they were. And I'm like, no, I don't know. Who is that? Who are you talking about? Jamie?

[B]

I wonder now. Yeah, I don't. I don't really know a whole lot about Mark Anthony except that.

[A]

Yeah, I don't know. I was just gonna say, like, I don't know anything. I didn't know anything about auras back then, but I would have said they have. Have a very demure aura.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Like, he didn't give off any aura.

[B]

No aura.

[A]

No aura. Okay, continue.

[B]

Anyways, so apparently he moved up in the world from Nathan's to performing at the Beckham's wedding. All right, so he's performing. He's supposed to perform the first song for Brooklyn and Nicola to dance to. And Marc Anthony allegedly is about to announce Nicola to. So he goes. And I might. And he goes, all right. This dance is dedicated to the most beautiful woman in the room, Victoria Beckham.

[A]

They did what?

[B]

They did what? They did what?

[A]

They did what?

[B]

This is all a legend.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

So apparently Victoria walks to the dance floor and her and her son share an Awkward, like, romantic dance to Marc Anthony singing. And allegedly Nicola, like, ran out of the ballroom crying. And apparently all of the guests were stunned and, like, abhorred and then, like, in shock and just like, oh, my God.

[A]

So Victoria and Brooklyn danced the first dance.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Instead of Ricola.

[B]

Yeah, instead of Ricola and Brooklyn. That's what I want to keep saying. I do. I want to keep saying Ricola and was bending there.

[A]

He was there too, of course.

[B]

Yeah. I'm just saying. So, like, what's going on? And I guess, like, there's just constant rumors of family discord.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now, just what I was trying to say before is I didn't watch the Netflix documentary and I don't follow them a whole lot. So just know that a lot of what I'm getting is just honestly looking at her picture right now. So when I look at Victoria's energy, she's indigo, yellow, purple, indigo. And I never got the best vibe from her. I'm going to be honest. She does feel, like, a little out of touch. She does feel very much like a little about me with everything. Like, her feelings feel very like she's got to control her environment a lot. I feel like the indigo, but the shadow side of it, the ego hijacked side, definitely leads it. And Indigoes, when they can get ego hijacked, they can get very possessive. They can be very controlling about, like, who's in, who's out, how things are going down, how I want things done, and very controlling about, like, their emotions. And if they feel anything they don't want to feel, feel, like, energetically, they can be very. They can get, like, nasty about it and, like, cut people out. And she has the means to do things. Like, she has the means to copy block. She has influence and money and power and stuff like that. So I'm sure she does that a lot, you know, so that's just my vibe on her. Like, I never got a great vibe on her. Now, her husband David is a really interesting aura color for a man. He's yellow, purple. He feels very much in charge of a lot of stuff. So I feel like with him, he keeps kind of like the family. He's got all these tattoos and things, and he was like a soccer player, but he feels like he's very disciplined. And I feel like he can hear her because I feel like she whines a lot and talks a lot and has like, he's like, I need this. I need this. I need. And I feel like their marriage has probably worked this long because Indigos also do not let you go. Like, if you indigo good vibe, bad vibe, ego hijacked or not. Like, if you got an Indigo, you got an Indigo for life. Like, they will cling to you. She knows, like, David, you're not going away without me. You're not going here without me. You had better call me. Like, there's no. She's on top of him.

[A]

Like you say, for Indigos.

[B]

Indigos, why? Yeah, obviously I know myself, but she's married to a very handsome, like, famous man. And she. She's beautiful too, but. But I don't think she lets a lot out of her sight.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So my. My other thought is that's probably why their relationship works.

[A]

Really, It's.

[B]

I don't even. I don't even want to know what it's like to be married in that world. So I'm not judging. I just feel like she can be a bit of a clinger and maybe she has to.

[A]

So are you saying. Just going back to this wedding song, alleged wedding dance or whatever. So are you saying that she wants to keep Brooklyn in her sight?

[B]

So I was getting to that.

[A]

Oh, I jumped the gun here. That's how. That's how up to date I am on the pop culture.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So her son Brooklyn is purple blue. And I feel like she was just always used to kind of doing that to him. And then what happened is, is he married somebody a little like his mom, because Nicola. Ricola.

[A]

Ricola.

[B]

She's indigo purple. So I feel like what happened was it's Indigo versus Indigo, and the daughter in law is an Indigo. And I'm gonna tell you, the daughter in law is always gonna like, you know, like, you can't do this. And everyone who has a son listening is like, oh, my God. This is like, this gives us a bad. This gives boy moms, like, a bad name. Like, this is. Come on. You know, this is weird. It's weird, but because I feel like she's ego hijacked Indigo. She got. She's just extra clingy. And I feel like David ignores a lot unless it's, you know, for image or family or something like that. Because they don't admit, like, they're having this discord. It's just all these stories coming out with it.

[A]

I mean. Yeah, just. I mean, I have the chart in front me. Yeah, it's just so much purple indigo here. It's blue. There's one logic color between all of them.

[B]

And it's David.

[A]

And it's David.

[B]

I feel like he's just like running things.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he lets them have their feelings and their bubble where they can all have their own little things play out. But he's not right. He doesn't deal with a lot or hear everything, you know? Anyways, they did what?

[A]

They did what?

[B]

I don't even care about them that much. Like, I never follow them. They had a huge Netflix special. I never watched it, but I thought that was insane. Like, if that's true. Which looking at her picture, I can totally see could be true. Like, if that's true. Like, who does that?

[A]

Yeah, who does that?

[B]

That's weird.

[A]

I have no idea. All right, well, we're going to take a quick break. When we come back, this is what you've all been waiting for. We're going to talk about the open lives of Utah wives.

[B]

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[A]

Hey, guys. All right, so now we're going to discuss the the Secret Lives of Moron Wives. Okay. Season two. Let me just preface a few things.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I did watch a little bit more of this season than season one.

[B]

Maybe 35 minutes.

[A]

Maybe 35. Maybe even 45 minutes. I'm not proud. I'm not proud. I'm dumber. I am. I'm going to admit it. I'm not as smart as I was two weeks ago. I do have to say this. If you go back and please go back to our first one that we did. The first episode podcast.

[B]

Episode 248.

[A]

248. I just want to say that I called it.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

They had this whole thing where they made a show, got everybody involved. That Taylor person.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

About swinging.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And there is unrecorded on there saying, these are not swingers.

[B]

Right.

[A]

There is no way these people play Jumanji.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They do not swing. There is no swinging going on here.

[B]

You said that on episode 248.

[A]

Yes. It's clear as day. You can go back and check it out. Yeah. And what comes out in this episode? Basically, we had a couple of kisses on the cheek.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

One guy was maybe dry, you know, Jumanji ing someone. Dry. Jumanji ing someone.

[B]

That was a totally different incident.

[A]

Let me just put it this way.

[B]

You're just merging different things.

[A]

I'm just saying these. These girls don't do anything. They're like middle school mentality. Like, he, he, he. I saw his he, he arm, you know, armpit. That's where they're at.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And to them, swinging is a kiss on the cheek.

[B]

Okay. And I knew that. Right.

[A]

And I said it to everybody. I told everybody. So I'm very proud of myself. And that is why I was willing to watch this totally empowering show for women.

[B]

Right.

[A]

About mom talk. All right, so we're gonna start with Taylor.

[B]

So I'll just talk about their auras. And then, like, season two examples of, like, what's going on. Oracle with the.

[A]

Sounds good.

[B]

Taylor is purple blue last season. She's a little bit more victim blue this season. I feel like she's just really doing a lot of purple things. And then when she feels the effects, she gets very upset about it, but kind of at life instead of at herself and just really feeding her own destruction. Like, I feel like with Taylor, she is on a cauldron in the pot and, like, throwing the logs under her herself, you know, all the time. And it's kind of hard to watch when you watch it. It's really hard to watch with her family because you. Once you see, like, the scenes with her family, her mom's purple blue, too, and her stepdad's, like, red purple. And, like, once you see her in the family, she's definitely got that scapegoat thing going on in the family. And it's like. It's like, no wonder she picks relationships where she's not valued or whatnot, because they're shaming her a lot and making her feel bad for choices, yet they're still riding her coattails on these choices. And then it was really weird to me that her mom got the, like, facelift to look just like her. Yeah, that was creepy.

[A]

I actually asked you, oh, is that the new member this season of Mom Talk? I thought she was one of her.

[B]

Yeah. You thought she was another mom.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

It was crazy. Yeah. I mean, and it was kind of hard to watch the family. And then what's interesting is once and anybody who's grown up in a dysfunctional, dramatic family notices this and sees this, but if you don't, then you're like, what a good mom? Or whatever, but there's a lot of drama. And then all of a sudden, instead of yelling at Taylor and telling her she sucks all the time, it's immediately to the other people. So it's almost like, subconsciously, when you're in a family like that, you want to stay in a state of drama where other people are the cause of it.

[A]

So.

[B]

So that your family rallies with you and goes against the threat instead of comes after you instead. So it's just a lot of, like, her family does seem to back her up when there's drama, but it's just so toxic. It's so. And anytime she was with her new baby on screen, it was, like, really upsetting.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I. Okay, so I have two things. One, so there was that one scene. They had, like, a barbecue in the backyard. I think it was, like, first or second episode. Yes, that's her stepdad. That was like.

[B]

That's her step.

[A]

Saying all these Jumanji accusations.

[B]

Horrible. Like, you. You got into bed with them. It's like, ouch.

[A]

Yeah. Yeah. So a lot of purple, I guess you call it purple. Purple shaming. Purple shaming. And he took the side of the boyfriend, Dakota. They call him the baby.

[B]

Baby daddy.

[A]

Baby daddy. Right. So baby daddy, he took her. Okay, that's. I thought that was her actual dad, so.

[B]

Well, raised her.

[A]

He did. Okay, that's creepy.

[B]

I mean, it's gross because that's his kid. Yeah. You know, for all intents and purposes. And even if it's not, like you don't talk like that to someone. Somebody.

[A]

Yeah. Well, I had the sense of dread anytime I saw Taylor's scenes because she has that baby.

[B]

I know.

[A]

And she carries that baby around, like, just flopping there, clinging. And he's picking up all the negative energy, too.

[B]

Negative energy.

[A]

But this is my fear. Okay. And I really. This is like a legit fear I have.

[B]

Yeah. You're not joking. Like, this is not joking. Something you get nervous about.

[A]

Yeah. You know, you know how the babies are left in the backseat of the cars.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, she, like, I could just see that happening.

[B]

Like, that's what you get nervous about. Like, just. That's a. That's a terrible thing. It's terrible.

[A]

But like, that's like the type of person that will leave the baby there, all the windows are up, and then they leave the car and then bad things happen.

[B]

Well, I think with the problem with Taylor and her situation is she has so much going on.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So much happening and no support, you know, and there's like this whole show and everything's piled on her and it's all predicated on. You're a hot mess. Like her entire career, her entire livelihood, how she feeds her kids and her family now is like, you have to be a hot mess.

[A]

Right.

[B]

So it. She's just fallen into it, you know, and it's just. It stresses me out.

[A]

Me too.

[B]

Having said that, yeah, she's hysterical. And that scene when it was the Bake off and she like, was like, oh, thanks. Everybody thought it was great. And then you see like the footage of her just transferring it to a dish. She was like a store bought pie or something. She just transferred. I was like, that's so purple.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I'm so here for that. So she's very authentic and she's real. And so I think that's why she has such a loyal following. But yeah, I think we think all of us were kind of like watching the scene in the barbecue and being like, your family is bad. Like, that they suck. Like, who talks to you that way?

[A]

And this message is for Taylor, if she's listening. Cause I think she does listen to this podcast. I have a Santa Fe, you know, a car, and it tells me to Check the rear seat when I leave the car.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she has a lot. She's. I'm sure she's got a lot of new brand deals.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So just get a new car that tells you to check the receiver. Yes.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Okay.

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[A]

Next we have Whitney.

[B]

Whitney last season was victim blue. Like, she was gonna go prairie homesteading. She left mom talk. She left the group chat. She was gonna go off and be probably her own influencer. Like an episode 248. I'm like, I think she wants to be the ballerina farms lady and just go homestead and sell her sourdough or whatever.

[A]

Right?

[B]

Well, obviously that didn't work out. It was way harder than she thought it was. So she's more yellow this season. And she was like, I have to get those brand deals and I got to get back in talking. I got to be filming because that's where the money is. And I feel like she just totally reframed her entire life in the yellow aura.

[A]

Right?

[B]

And she, I mean, I found her to be kind of amusing. This season. She kind of dresses the part, plays the part. She was staying out of the drama because she. The first half of the season, she was like, very pregnant. Then she had the baby and she was just yellow. She. You could tell too. Like, everything was like, strategy. She was like, she, like, go up to somebody and be like, I support you. Let me see how you're doing. Let me do this. Like, you could tell. And it was fine and it was polite and even. And you know, she was operating yellow because she's like, vote if I should be in it. And like, everyone, like, basically nobody voted. And she's like, okay, no problem. I'll still hang out with you. It's like, that's yellow. Like, you're definitely compartmentalizing this. And it's a job now, not anything you're emotionally invested in on that type of personal level. So mama needed to make some cash.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, so she definitely was trying to yellow her way back in this season.

[B]

I think she did, and maybe she did.

[A]

Yeah. Here's a couple things with her. These are. Okay, so these are my takes. 1. I don't think she's that likable.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Yeah, I just. I think it's. To be all honest, I think as a person, she's just not likable.

[B]

I can see that.

[A]

And, like, you know, like, I don't know, she seems different than some of the other girls. You're just not likable. Like, we don't want you around. It's almost. Yeah, it's kind of like. I don't know. What was that movie? This is gonna be real. I'm not even gonna go there because it's so mean.

[B]

She seems transactional to me. Yeah.

[A]

Okay. Let's just leave it at that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

And. But here's what I did. Pick up.

[B]

God knows what he was about to say. I'll find out later, guys.

[A]

I'll tell you later. Okay.

[B]

All right, keep going.

[A]

Okay, this is what I'm about to say. Every scene, I saw her, and again, I only watched 45 minutes. But she had the baby with her.

[B]

Yeah, she had her baby first.

[A]

I'm like, I saw her one scene. Fine, she had the baby. That's what you said.

[B]

Yeah. She's breastfeeding, Scott. So the baby has got to calm.

[A]

Yeah, but then the baby was here, there all the time. And, like, you don't have, like, another, you know, someone that could just watch the baby breastfeeding.

[B]

You can't.

[A]

Yeah, but, like, for 10, like, she wasn't in the act of doing that.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The baby was just sleeping.

[B]

I know what you mean. Yeah.

[A]

So I think this is my take. I think she used the baby again. Remember she used the baby in the first season to make that video in the hospital that gave her all the got. Everyone gave her crap for that. Right. That made her the villain and hated.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I made a video myself, I think, like, where I dressed up, it was her, and I pretended that, you know, that was a baby. So I think she did it again. She did it again. The baby again.

[B]

It's like a shield.

[A]

As a shield. Like, you can't yell at a. It's like, you know, when you. You're. You're. You're in court and you're, you know, and you're on trial.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you, like, you put on a nice suit.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Or you comb your hair in a certain way to make you Yourself look. Yeah, more. I don't know, like less guilty.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think she used that baby in the same way.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So she's got the baby. You know, you can't. I mean, you can't yell at a girl with a baby.

[B]

So you feel like it was a yellow strategy.

[A]

I think it was a yellow strategy to once again use the baby to get whatever she needed to get to.

[B]

Look like more mom talkie.

[A]

Right. And in this way is better than when she first did it when they were in the hospital. That was just like trash.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

This way it's like more subdued.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And no one. Maybe some people picked it up. I mean, our listeners.

[B]

You kept saying it. And then I think towards the end I was like, maybe. All right. Yeah, interesting.

[A]

All right, so those are the two people I know. After that, everyone looks the same. So. So this is going to be harder for me now because those two.

[B]

Those are most your hot takes, right?

[A]

Yeah. Everyone else is basically the same person. Okay, so we have. Next on the list we have Macy.

[B]

Macy's red, purple and in her red, purple way, especially her red or away. I feel like she's like, you know, make hay while the sun shines. Figure this out. Last season she launched her like baby vitamins. And like this season she has a book deal.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And you know, with her, she's kind of rational. She's very logical, she's very calm. She's kind of even neutral at times. Like she's a lot of times the voice of reason. I feel like she comes into this trying to be a balanced energy and bring just like role is without getting too. And she's too smart. I feel like to get involved in a lot of the. The producer drama which we'll get into like the producer induced drama. I feel like her role is more kind of touchstone or she sees what they're up to. People know not to kind of mess with her. I feel like. Too. Anyways, so that's my thing with Macy and Macy and Michaela were really funny together this season.

[A]

I just don't know. I don't remember which one she was. I don't remember. Yeah, I don't remember what you want. What she did. Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

All right. Michaela, I do remember because she. She got the turquoise going on this season. She. She had like. I don't remember from the first season. I don't even remember seeing her the first season. So I thought she was a new cast member.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But she got the turquoise going last season.

[B]

She was almost invisible.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like And. And just like, turquoises can get. Like, she was. She had, like, a lot of skin issues and health issues and stuff, and she was just kind of faded into the background. And she had a fight with Whitney, but Whitney kind of kicked her while she was down, you know? And I said this once on the podcast at some point. Cause somebody reminded me of. I guess, like, on the podcast, like, I don't know what episode it was. You said, like, what aura color would you least want to be mad at you? And I guess back then I said turquoise.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

And I stand by that. Like, and I think you can see why you don't want a turquoise to be mad at you from this season, because Mikayla is like, do not f. With Mikayla. Like, she is a. Her turquoise is back. It's full throttle. No, she was sharing a lot of her deep seated traumas that had come to the surface, which was, like, amazing. And I'm like, so proud of her. And I definitely know she touched other people, you know, with talking about her abuse that she suffered and whatnot. So her voice is, like, open and she's talking and she doesn't care, but she's like, whitney, no. Like, we're done. We're never going to be friends. Never gonna happen. I'm like. And she's just like. And just the way that you just sense that from her. Even Whitney's yellow was like, got it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, I won't try. And Michaela just anybody that was coming after her or she was just there with the zingers and she was just saying stuff and it was just like, kind of hysterical in a way.

[A]

Well, she knew that baby was being used as a prop, you know.

[B]

Oh, probably. She has no sympathy.

[A]

Yep. You have her down as yellow too, so.

[B]

Yeah. Oh, she's yellow too.

[A]

You know, Whitney was able to weasel her way into with some of them, but not with her.

[B]

Nope. It's not gonna work.

[A]

It would never work. Right.

[B]

She's done.

[A]

And even if she says it works at one point, it's still.

[B]

She's done.

[A]

Gonna be there.

[B]

Yeah. It's forever.

[A]

It's forever.

[B]

But Mikayla just kind of cracked me up now. Did she go too far? Maybe sometimes. But, like, whatever, you know, I think she was. She's just like, don't mess with me. I will snap your head off. Like, and she will. And it was like, crazy.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, right? Yeah. I wouldn't mess with her.

[B]

No. She's the scariest one. But I find her very amusing.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right. Next we have Jen.

[B]

So Jen and Zach, you know. You know those two?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Okay, so I saw them.

[A]

They did a lot of meta talk, these two.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

They showed them. They did ketamine. They're big on the ketamine. These show. They love to just get some ketamine and then talk about their feelings.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

So love that. And she had my favorite, absolute favorite line of the entire show. Okay, do you want me to save that to. After your aura take on these two or.

[B]

No?

[A]

Okay, so her and Zach, we're talking. I think Zach is maybe really Mormon. I don't know. Everyone else, I don't believe is Mormon.

[B]

I think he's actually Mormon.

[A]

Yeah. I'm not even gonna do my Mormon spiel at this point, because I don't believe any of them are Mormon.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

All right, so Zach might be. And he, you know, he actually asked a good question. I know he's kind of skeezy and stuff, but he asked her, you know, you're doing great with everything, but what do you really want out of this Mom Talk? What is. You know, what does this mean? And, you know, you have these thousands and thousands of followers. Whatever. And the answer she gave, I was laughing for at least a good five minutes.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She told. She said, my goal for Mom Talk is to empower women and show women's empowerment. And I thought it just. It was so funny because it's so far from what it does. This show does. It's like the total, exact opposite. It doesn't empower women. It just has. It's a bunch of women fighting with each other and ripping each other down.

[B]

I know.

[A]

It's the furthest thing. Mom Talk is the furthest thing from.

[B]

Empowerment, pitting women against each other.

[A]

Right. That's like saying, like, Andy Cohen is trying to empower women with the Housewives show. Of course he's not.

[B]

Right.

[A]

He's trying to tear women down.

[B]

Right.

[A]

This whole show, I don't know who produces this show, is about tearing women down. But it was so funny that she said to empower women. And I'm sure the producers put that in there to make her look foolish like they do. But. All right, so we have Jen and Ketamine. Zach.

[B]

Jen is pink, purple, blue, and she struggled so much this season, and her. And Zach is purple, blue, but he wears like. He wears green. Like he's got a chameleon kind of thing going on. He was a little better this season than he was last season. I feel like they're just so toxic together. So Jen, to Me just. I mean, I feel like this entire experience for her, this entire show is a big purple bomb to her marriage. Like, I feel like subconsciously she wants to maybe get out of it or do something different or just have some sort of change or change up her life or her role, but she's not in touch with that. So it's really seems to manifest itself with just a lot of toxicity between her and her husband. And she's pink, so she kind of goes into this bubble, you know, and then she. So she ignores kind of the work she's done when it gets too. When the heat gets too hot, and then she just disappears, which is what she did with filming. She ended up disappearing.

[A]

Okay, so she did actually not. She wasn't in the second half.

[B]

Right, Right. And she was on some podcasts recently, and they. She's getting accused of lying all the time. Which I think what it is, is she'll just. Because she was so trained to be submissive as a person, she doesn't know how to deal with confrontation. It's just. Except just to say, oh, yes, okay, in the moment to anything.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And I feel like. Then later she's like, but I didn't say that. And it's like you did. But it's hard to kind of reconcile with her, you know, vulnerability of feeling of actually saying, like, I get scared when somebody tells me to do something or ask me something or a stronger person says something. So I just go with it. And then later I regret it. Like, I. You know, So I think, yes, she is lying, but I also feel like it's more of, like a fawn kind of fawning reaction to God knows what. So I. They're so tough to watch, and I really wish they. I hope they don't come back because they, like, they're so. I don't think it's good for their marriage to be on TV at all. @ all.

[A]

Some people, it's just not good. I don't think them to be good.

[B]

For them to be on TV as a couple.

[A]

Yeah. She seems like someone that. That really probably shouldn't be on tv. Yeah.

[B]

Like, she'll have enough problems, like, just in daily life. Like, she doesn't need for everybody to be watching it like that.

[A]

Taylor, she could be on tv.

[B]

She's fine.

[A]

She's gonna be fine.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, baby, please check the baby. Okay. All right, so. Okay. And then. All right, so move on to the next one. Okay, so this one, Layla.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so this is hysterical.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

The producer. I. I Don't even know how to go about saying this, but the producers gave her a storyline. Could you imagine? You're on. I don't know how many people watch this show, but, you know, thousands of people are watching this show.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And your storyline for the whole entire season, this girl barely says anything all season long.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And her one storyline is that she plays Jumanji.

[B]

And can't.

[A]

You know, when you finally get to the end of the game, can't say the word Jumanji to finish the game.

[B]

Yeah. And if. You know, if you've been here long enough, you know what? We're right. Because you got to call out Jumanji. She's never done that.

[A]

She's never done that.

[B]

And that's her storyline. Could you imagine?

[A]

That's your, like, the producers. How evil are this production team?

[B]

Not just that.

[A]

That is horrific that you are known for this show as being the person that can't say Jumanji. That's horrific to me.

[B]

She's the producer stooge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

She's the producer stooge for more than that, though.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

There was this. You didn't watch this episode, but there was this, like, pregnancy roulette game. But they do this with her all the time. And then they sent her at the end to go talk to Marciano, the guy who allegedly had an affair with two of them or something. So she's definitely the one that. No, they're like, listen, you have no storyline except the Jumanji thing, and so you better do all the things we say and pretend it's your idea. And so I feel like she is the one that gets stuck doing the producer's bad deeds, like the pregnancy roulette or the Marciano meeting or, like, that kind of stuff.

[A]

That's horrible.

[B]

Yeah, it sucks.

[A]

What's her color?

[B]

She's yellow. Blue.

[A]

All right, look, I'm gonna. I'm gonna put this out there for Leila.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I'm gonna say you need a better storyline.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

If any producer's listening, let's.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

We have to be nicer to this girl. This is horrible. We can't let her go down with this Jumanji thing being the only thing she's known for and being the stooge. If you want aura readings as part of your next season storyline. I know an aura reader. We'll get you. We're gonna elevate you. We're gonna move you up. We're gonna put you into a more positive light, and your story could be about aura readings and Your aura colors.

[B]

Yellow, blues, do like to kind of stay under the radar. So it's amazing she's even on this show. So I feel like with her, like, it would be hard for her to have another storyline that.

[A]

Sorry. Gimme. Yeah, I wasn't. I'm not sure, because there's like. She looks like exactly like. He looks exactly like Vanilla Ice.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You kept saying this and I said this maybe a hundred times. He's Vanilla Ice. Is that Vanilla Ice?

[B]

What's interesting about when you think somebody looks like somebody, and I've said this before, like, a lot, usually it's some sort of psychic message you're getting that they're like that person.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So I think. So if you kind of look into Vanilla Ice, he's kind of like, well, he was accused of stealing a song.

[A]

Right. A lot of stuff and.

[B]

And whatnot. And I don't know what Brett's situation is.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

But it seems to me like it's kind of. I don't know, like, he. Brett's a whole different thing. I don't. I'm not thrilled with his vibe. He definitely feels like he's a mansplainer.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

He definitely has, like, kind of like, okay, just shut up, dude. Kind of douche vibes. Like, he bothers me in that way.

[A]

Right.

[B]

But to me, Demi's purple and blue, just like Taylor. And I said this back in episode 248, and I said they're so alike that they have problems with each other. And it just really came to a head this season. I feel like Demi has a real issue when people are paying attention to Taylor, not because she wants them to pay attention to her, and she's saying, you know, it's no secret I'm the fan favorite. Is something that she said and it's not true. You know, Like, I think people. I think she wants to be Taylor in a lot of ways. And she wants. She doesn't understand, like, why Taylor has that influence. It is jealousy.

[A]

Yeah, jealousy.

[B]

And I feel like she doesn't understand that if one person gets abundant, that doesn't mean that there's none for you. So it does, to me, feel like she's trying to, with the help of her little Vanilla Ice partner, like, play the game here, but because she's purple blue. It's kind of like reading the front page news.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, we all know what you're doing. Like, it's not hard. You can't mask your vibe. Like, it'd be better if she just was, like, honest about it. But I don't think she's real with herself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So anyways, I think that they trigger each other because they're a lot alike. Difference is Taylor can handle it and she knows who she is and she's embraced that. She's kind of, you know, hot mess purple.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And so there's not much Demi can say that's going to bother her. She's gonna be like, okay, and what about. But, yeah, but Taylor will come back and say, what about this? And what about this and what about this? And Demi can't handle that. How dare you say this.

[A]

Okay. Yeah. So let's actually get something positive out of this other, you know, and so the purple. Blue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

For Taylor. And then we have Demi the same color. Purple, blue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

You do have it down on the sheet. Taylor purple. And the purple blue. You have purple first and then Demi, you have the blue first and then the purple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So they obviously you're saying they wear this different. This combo much differently.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And like for me, yes. Taylor looks like she's out there. She's like the true. She looks to me like the true purple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

With Demi, she seems like a little more like buttoned up purple. And then she has a moment of purple.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then she does something kooky.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And then she brings it back to the blue. Is. Am I getting that right?

[B]

Yeah. She's got like a lot of self shame for herself.

[A]

Right. So I do something and then I bring it back to. Oh, I'm back to the blue.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Where Taylor does the thing. It's out there.

[B]

Right.

[A]

Okay, whatever. I'm gonna do another thing even more egregious than that.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, so that's where we're. Yeah, that's interesting. And, but, and, but that's what's making Taylor, I guess, the number one of nine or ten people.

[B]

She's authentic. She owns it.

[A]

Yeah. Because as I saw the. The ad, whatever the advertisement, she's the first one in the front, Right? Yes. So you're saying Demi probably wants to be the first one.

[B]

Yeah, she. Yeah. It's like what triggers us and others usually has a lot to say about ourselves, you know? So I think we're just watching that play out.

[A]

Oh, okay. And that's. Oh, this all makes sense now because that's why she's wanting. She's hoping that Taylor gets kicked off.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Okay. So the G would be.

[B]

But Taylor's like the whole thing.

[A]

Right, Right.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

Even if Taylor got kicked off, which I don't I don't think that happened, but I don't think Demi would. Would have the chops to be the number one anyway.

[B]

No, but I think Brett, her husband, is like, very involved.

[A]

Right. You'll be the number one.

[B]

And he's like, oh, we'll just do this. Oh, and I bet they're pouring money into like pr.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And management. And they're trying to. They're like, well, we'll just out organize Taylor, which isn't probably hard to do in, like the PR world.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And like, Brett's definitely talking to producers. Brett's definitely, like, thinking he's making headway with the producers or PR people or management or podcasts or whatever. Like, Brett's probably thinking, like, I'll just have a man to man talk, you know? Cause I'm Brett, I'm tall and I got a chiseled jaw. And like, I think with Taylor, she's just like flopping around, like, what's going on? You know? But like, as an audience, we all attach to that better.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Even though you're gonna see Demi lot more.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Because Brett, her husband, is really good at making sure she's on your Instagram and she's in the podcast you listen to and she's showing up here and they're pushing her storylines, you know, so you might see Demi more.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, and, and. And the final storyline, by the way, which. Spoiler alert. Like, don't listen if you haven't watched all of season two. But, like, the whole cheating and Jesse situation, that to me feels so fabricated. And so Demi, Jesse, PR husband's got involved. Like, it just feels so contrived to me.

[A]

Yeah, well. Yeah.

[B]

To try to shift focus.

[A]

I. Yeah, well, my take on that. Well, just back to Demi. I think her problem is that she. She looks too much like everybody else. So that's her problem. Like, she just. She's like one of them. Like, Taylor has a different look, a more unique look. Yeah, we'll say that. Like, you could tell her apart from some of the other ones. Demi just falls in. Like, for me, she falls in line with everybody else. She's trying hard, like you said, but she falls in line. All right. Jesse's yellow, purple.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

And then Madison, the new one, is yellow, purple, blue.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

But my. I guess my take. Sorry, the last two, we didn't have time, but. Yeah, well, my take on that, is that Hulu or whoever runs the show here, abc. Hulu. I don't know who owns Hulu. Disney.

[B]

They.

[A]

The. The show that. That guy's from that other creep at the end of the show.

[B]

I. I'm totally saying his name wrong.

[A]

Or Marciano, whatever.

[B]

I might have renamed him just now. Marciano.

[A]

Let's call him Marciano.

[B]

I don't know if that's his real name. I mean, that guy. I think it's Marciano.

[A]

Marciano looks like the biggest douche on the planet. He makes Brett. Brett baby look good.

[B]

It is Marciano.

[A]

Okay, so, yeah. And then he goes with, like you said, the producer stooge Layla at the end. My whole take on that is like, nobody's watching that show. Whatever show.

[B]

Vanderpump Villa.

[A]

Yeah, nobody. If you can't. No one's watching Vanderpump Villa. Come on. I mean, really. You're watching Vanderpump Villa, people. Come on.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Nobody's.

[B]

They are.

[A]

Nobody's watching it.

[B]

I don't usually interrupt a red ramp, but I think they are.

[A]

Okay. I don't think. Okay. So my theory is they aren't okay. And this is their one show Hulu has, and they're using it to promote that show.

[B]

They want crossover again, the synergy. And Brett's like, here, let's do this. Let's get Jesse. I don't know.

[A]

And what did she do? She kissed him on the cheek or something.

[B]

The allegation. Marciano says that the allegation is him and Jesse did things together, went all the way. Called Jumanji.

[A]

Do you know what all the way means to these people? They were on a couch, right. And they. Dry Jumanji.

[B]

Well, I'm going to be covering this way more over on my sub stack if you want to hang out over there.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm gonna go a little deeper into this and. And really get into it.

[A]

All right. And I think maybe some of the guys maybe put their auras.

[B]

The dad talk.

[A]

The dad talk guys.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

We'll put some of their auras in the sub stack.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Okay, So I just have to end on this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Now nobody knows this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

But I'm breaking it here. Oh, I'm gonna break this right now. Oh, there is a Utah mom.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Mormon wife. Whatever. Yeah, that got cut.

[B]

Oh, I heard about this.

[A]

Was. Was destined to be basically right up there with Taylor.

[B]

I heard about it.

[A]

Maybe even surpass Taylor.

[B]

She's very vocal right now.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Very vocal on the socials.

[A]

Yeah. And she was supposed to be on the show. She had a problem with ketamine, so she got caught.

[B]

But. Yeah. She's spilling tea.

[A]

She's spilling the tea.

[B]

Her name. Do you know it.

[A]

I. I kind of do you want to say the name?

[B]

Scott Taylor.

[A]

Scott Taylor.

[B]

You might want to check out the cut Mormon Wife. Check out my IG stories. I may have reposted some of Scott Taylor's lost footage. All right.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

This podcast is for you and about you, and we're so glad you spent some time with us today.

[A]

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[B]

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