EP293: Loving in Layers, The Empath’s Aura and the Allure of the Wounded

Summary

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Know Your Aura with Mystic Michaela

Episode 293: Loving in Layers, The Empath’s Aura and the Allure of the Wounded
Date: September 11, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this insightful episode, Mystic Michaela explores how those with empath auras tend to "love in layers," especially in relationships with wounded or toxic individuals. The conversation dives deep into why empaths often find themselves making excuses for others, remaining loyal despite mistreatment, and continually seeking the good in people—even at great personal cost. The episode also breaks down how each empath aura color (blue, indigo, purple, turquoise) uniquely navigates these relational dynamics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Pattern of Loving in Layers

• Main Theme: Empathic individuals are often "programmed" (both naturally and through early life experiences) to see beneath the surface of people's actions, fixating on their wounded or hidden "good" parts rather than acknowledging hurtful behaviors.
  • "They piece it together to salvage some sort of relationship or idea of who this person is... Empath auras are naturally hardwired to do this but a lot of times ... they can get programmed to do it as well." (Mystic Michaela, 02:30)
• Impact: This pattern can lead to a lifetime of toxic dynamics, including repeated abuse, boundary violations, and emotional exhaustion.
• Knowledge as Power: Recognizing this tendency is the first step to breaking the cycle.
  • "It unravels immediately, like, the second you see it under a microscope, which is what I hope we can do today." (Mystic Michaela, 03:14)

2. When Others Can't Understand

• Scott's Perspective: As a "red" aura type, Scott expresses frustration at people who stay in obviously abusive situations, emphasizing action-based boundaries and logic.
  • "If someone's continuously doing the same action over and over, if they were doing it to me, I would just be like, I'm out of here..." (Scott, 01:21)
• Michaela's Response: For empaths, advice from non-empaths (e.g., “Why don’t you just leave?”) feels like noise until they become fully aware and decide to set their own boundaries.
  • "Once you see it, you can't unring a bell. There's no going backwards.” (Mystic Michaela, 04:46)

3. Origins & Reinforcement of the "Loving in Layers" Program

• Natural Ability: Empath auras can sense the soul or "real" parts of others buried beneath trauma and ego.
  • "Empath auras have this innate ability to feel the real parts hidden beneath all the constructs." (Mystic Michaela, 11:15)
• Weaponizing Vulnerability: Some wounded individuals use their brokenness as “bait” to keep the empath enmeshed, knowing the empath cannot turn away from pain.
  • "Some people know they have those broken bits and they use them as bait... They know you can't resist that."
• The Danger of Normalization: For those raised in such conditions, abuse and love become intertwined and undifferentiable, which is "utterly exhausting, and ... deletes your own agency and your own voice." (Mystic Michaela, 13:10)

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Empath Aura Colors: How Each Loves in Layers

Blue Auras

• Traits: Exceptionally selfless, natural helpers, moldable, often unaware they are enduring abuse.
• Pattern: Only recognize the need to leave when witnessing the abuser hurt others they love—not only themselves.
  • "Blue auras have the hardest time letting go ... usually they don't realize they're doing it until they notice others suffering from it too." (16:40)
• Example: Becoming a “buffer” not just for oneself, but for other victims in the environment.

Indigo Auras

• Traits: Patient, introspective, but once boundaries are crossed, they cut people off completely—“door slamming.”
• Pattern: Linger longer if the abuser feigns introspection or validates their perception of brokenness, but once done, it's permanent.
  • "Indigos will kill a memory quicker than anyone else... If the abuser is like, 'I see them too,' Indigo stays longer. But just because somebody validates you doesn't mean anything if they're not making it better." (19:50)

Purple Auras

• Traits: Thrive on chaos, creative, can tolerate oddity but sometimes romanticize or explain away abuse.
• Pattern: Absorb abuse by thinking they are “special" or uniquely strong, until they see the abuser treating others the same way, sparking disillusionment and prompting departure.
  • "When they see this abusive person abusing other people...they're like, 'I thought this was just a me and you relation...'" (21:10)
  • "If you ever have that feeling—'hey, wait a second, now they're abusing somebody else'—and feel jealousy or envy, you have been programmed to love in layers." (Mystic Michaela, 21:47)

Turquoise Auras

• Traits: Natural mirrors, try to heal abusers by becoming what they think is needed.
• Pattern: Unconsciously reenact the abuser's original wounds ("mommy issues," etc.), usually get blamed for triggering pain. Once they realize this, they can detach quickly and often go into healing professions.
  • "When the turquoise knows they're really good at picking up triggers, they don't have time to do that for people who don't want to get well, so they just shrug and walk away." (Mystic Michaela, 24:28)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the essence of loving in layers:
  "Loving in layers is when I see someone digging ... into a person’s broken aura bits, their broken soul, and they salvage what they can for continuing a relationship." (10:44, Mystic Michaela)
• The “buffering” awakening for blue auras:
  "They don’t even realize they are walking on eggshells ... until they notice others around them suffering from it, too." (17:25, Mystic Michaela)
• Indigo’s line in the sand:
  "Once an indigo door ... slams, they are done. That door does not open." (18:51, Mystic Michaela)
• On the “special” sickness for purples:
  “When you have a relationship with somebody and it’s mostly abuse, you begin to think that’s your special connection. So when they start abusing somebody else...you can actually be sick enough to be jealous about it.” (21:27, Mystic Michaela)
• Turquoises and mirroring:
  “Turquoises can become the place that actually triggers the abuser most ... They’ll reenact the exact triggers ... only to get blamed and accused.” (23:43, Mystic Michaela)
• Humorous reflection on cat ownership as ‘loving in layers’:
  “It’s like living with a perpetual newborn. He wakes me up in the middle of the night to eat and I listen because he’s hungry…” (Mystic Michaela, 27:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00–03:30: Introduction to the episode theme & context: Why do empaths stay in harmful relationships?
• 03:34–05:20: Discussion on boundaries and the empath’s internal line—when is enough, enough?
• 11:00–16:20: Mystic Michaela explains the energetic dynamics behind loving in layers and how abusers weaponize vulnerability.
• 16:20–24:50: Deep dive into each empath aura color—Blue, Indigo, Purple, Turquoise—and how each uniquely interacts with the loving in layers pattern.
• 27:10–32:00: Lighthearted personal anecdotes about how this dynamic manifests in pet ownership.
• 32:18–41:00: “Overtime” segment: humorous personal story about getting ripped off by a refrigerator repairman, analogies to personal boundaries, and playful banter about spirit guides.
• 41:04–end: Closing thoughts, wrapping up the episode.

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Listener Engagement

• Mystic Michaela invites listeners to share their experiences with "loving in layers" in the Mystic Michaela Spiritual Family Facebook group and on her Substack.

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Overall Tone

The conversation weaves spiritual insight with personal vulnerability, gentle humor (especially about pets and spirit guides), and a nurturing call for self-awareness and boundary-setting. Michaela balances direct advice (“run away from it. Walk away...”) with compassion for those caught in these painful patterns.

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This episode offers both validation and practical wisdom for empaths—and those who love them—on recognizing, understanding, and healing the compulsion to “love in layers.”

Transcript

[A]

Foreign Michaela spiritual family welcome to Know youw Aura with mystic Michaela today. Do you find yourself in relationships with people where you really have to make up excuses in order to stay friends with them or partners with them or continue to have any relationship whatsoever? Do you find yourself looking for what they really mean, what underneath what they're doing or saying in order to keep that relationship going? We're going to talk about how empath auras love in layers. But first. Hey, Scotty.

[B]

Hey, guys. I'm going to tell you, I don't get it. I know right off the bat, I don't get it.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, this is like, this frustrates me when I, when I see people in like abusive relationships. It's frustrating. You know, let's say you're just in a relationship and everyone can see it. Right. From the outside, we all see that you're getting abused. Right. And these are just made up scenarios. I'm not saying anyone anything in particular.

[A]

Right.

[B]

And it's just like, why, why does that person not get out of there?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You know, or your parents, not yours. I'm saying in general have done like cruel things to you.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Like, why do you keep on coming back for more and more and more? Or, you know, you got a friend just that, you know, that evil friend maybe that talks behind your back or whatever and does horrible things to you, but yet you still are friends with them.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And I guess I don't get it. I'm a big person on like actions, you know, you're, you're, you're defined by your actions. And you know, if someone's continuously doing the same action over and over, if they were doing it to me, I would just be like, I'm out of here. I'm, you know, this is it. I'm done. That's, we're finished, you know, until you address that and fix it. You know, I'll give people a second chance, but I don't, I just, I guess I don't get it. I'm a little frustrated. It's coming from a red perspective.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

But let's, let's get a double empath take.

[A]

Yeah. That's what we're going to talk about today because I see this all the time when we, there's stories on the news, any story you see, and if you start looking at the comments, there's always victim blaming all the time. Why did she stay with her abusive partner? Why didn't she leave? Or why did it, why did she still talk to her mother after she did that to her. It's always the victim gets kind of like, well, why'd you sit there and put up with it? It's your fault, you know, for sitting there and put up with it. And we see this all the time. And it's because usually these victims are programmed in some way through their empath auras to see underneath what's being said or done or, you know, even underneath intention, sometimes into the broken bits of the perpetrator's energy, their aura, their inner child. And. And they're. They piece it together to salvage some sort of relationship or idea of who this person is. Empath auras are naturally hardwired to do this, but a lot of times, in different family situations, they can get programmed to do it as well. And this is the only normalized source of relationship that they have. Therefore, you know, they get stuck in these patterns of relationships in every aspect of their life. But knowledge is power. And so when you see this about yourself, and then you're like, oh, my gosh, I do this? And then you're like, why do I do it and how do I do it and who do I do this with? It unravels immediately, like, the second you see it under a microscope, which is what I hope we can do today with what I talk about coming up. Those relationships in your life that are founded on loving in layers, you're gonna be like, hey, I need to take a step back. I need to take space from that.

[B]

Do you need, let's say, a red like me or even another logic color in your life, a green, a yellow, to kind of give you a little, like, nudge?

[A]

It helps. But I'm gonna tell you something.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Empath auras are very loyal to who they love. They're loyal, and they can be loyal to the character they've created out of the bits that they've sewn together from these broken people that are hurting them. And, you know, it doesn't always work, because when you're an. When you either are double empath or you lead with your empath aura. And that, plus you haven't realize this yet, because once you're a double empath or you lead with your empath aura, and you do realize this, you can't unring a bell. Like, there's no going backwards. However, let's say you're in the middle of it still, it doesn't help. It's just, like, noise. Like, people saying, like, why are you putting up with that? It's noise. Well, you don't get it. So I'm going to talk about how each empath, aura, color specifically deals with this too and why they get stuck in these relationships.

[B]

So when, and I don't know if you can answer this. So when does the double empath, you know, purple, turquoise, we'll just take that. When does a dumbbell empath finally say without like the red or the yellow or the green getting in the way and telling you these things. When does that double empath finally say, you know what, I can't do it anymore. Like this is like is there is.

[A]

Quicker and, and what it, what it can look like. Of course it's different for everyone. But I feel like we all have a line and when we get to it and then we're like, oh my gosh, right? This is what I'm doing.

[B]

There's no talk about it, but it's going to be over, done, sealed. Yeah, but let's say like a red, blue like me. That line, you know, if that never let it get.

[A]

You have more boundaries. So it never got so far for you. So some people and forgiveness is a whole other episode. But like some people can forgive a little quicker because their boundaries were never crossed the way for example, like a double empath might. It's like well you cross like xyz. So that's why you can't also have people tell you you should get over it or you know, it's time to forgive and move on or give them a second chance. It's like you don't know what they crossed. Like you don't know where my boundary like. Cause usually once you're loving in layers and you've done this in the way I'm going to be talking about. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Like they've crossed a line. That was your last line. That was. It's just unmentionably too close for comfort.

[B]

Gotcha.

[A]

You're absolutely right.

[B]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[A]

Yeah, it does.

[B]

Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break. You're going to come back and talk about empaths, love and layers.

[A]

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[B]

The.

[A]

That is a construct. It's not real. And empath auras have this innate ability to feel the real parts hidden beneath all the constructs. And the constructs usually come from pain and hurt and their own abuse and their own trauma. And it's the parts of them, that soul parts are held prisoner within that ego. The parts of the people that they love are actually kept under layers. And the problem is, is that some people know they have those broken bits and they use them as bait. They are pieces that they purposely keep trapped within them so as to lure you in and capture you and keep you. They know you want to have the relationship with that broken part of them, that trapped inner child, that soul identity, fractured, hurt, poisoned, pleading forever for you to stay, stay, stay. And they know you can't resist that. They know you don't want to leave those parts of them alone, and they use it against you. And empath auras are naturally hardwired. You are born this way to love in layers. But the problem happens is when it becomes programmed, usually by, you know, a family system where this is the only way you've ever Learned how to love, hence back to that Netflix documentary and the young girl, Lauren, and what happened, what I feel happened to her. She's programmed now to only understand how to love in layers and. And not come out from under that. And loving for loving in layers has a purpose for empath auras. It makes it easier for them to understand what people are going through. You know, like you leading with your empath aura. You can handle when people are in temporary crisis or they have an issue or a mood or they're having a moment. You know, not everyone's a great friend or partner or family member, like, all the time. We have to give people a break in life to have a relationship with them. And that is what your empath aura is good for. It makes you that compassionate friend and a compassionate loved one and a compassionate partner. It's not. But it's not meant as a way of being. You know, it's not. It's not meant as a pattern that is ongoing and long term forever. And that is where the problem lies. So once you think loving in layers, because you're programmed that way is the only way to have a relationship, it has become normalized. And now you don't know how to love people at all or to have relationships with people at all without dealing with the pain to get to the parts of them that make it worth it. So knowing abuse and knowing love aren't differentiated. They're intertwined, and you're conditioned for it, and it is utterly exhausting, and it creeps up on you, and it deletes your own agency and your own voice. So let's talk now about how each empath aura caller tends to approach loving in layers. Because there's different approaches. And perhaps, as I'm speaking, some of these might have a little aha moment for you, a little light bulb moment for you. And you can see like, oh, wait a second. I'm gonna take a step back from that relationship. Maybe that's me loving in layers a little too much. So we'll start with blue auras. Blue auras have the hardest time letting go of a person or a relationship. They really do. I mean, they stick with you, those blue auras. Blue auras are naturally selfless. Without thinking too much about it. They're helpers by default, to the point they don't really even know they're doing too much. So when someone they love is doling out this kind of push and pull with their love, the blue just goes with it, being an invisible and moldable energy. With what do you want from me today? You want me to love? You want me to assist? What, what do you want me to become? Anything they this abusive person needs in the moment. A lot of times the blue aura doesn't even realize that they are so moldable or they are doing this all the time, walking on eggshells, dancing around these invisible boundaries, these invisible lines that this, that this abusive person is putting up as they love this person in layers. And usually they don't realize that they're doing it until they notice others around them suffering from it too. And then they find themselves being a buffer for them as well. So now they're not only. They're not only protecting that inner fractured self of this abusive person that they love in layers now they are extra, extending their protection and their buffering to those who are being hurt by the abuser. I mean, this could be anyone. This could be like the road rage situations. You find yourself in them with, like, oh, my gosh, they don't know. They didn't mean to cut you off, you know, or the neighbor who has the dog that's barking too much and, and they're about to go over there and freak out and you're like, actually delete or you know, your own children that you're in the house with them and you notice that now the kids are putting up with this and, and that. That's when a blue aura wakes up, when they're like, hey, wait a second, I'm not fixing it. Like, I'm not buffering it. It's going beyond me. And that's usually when the blue figures it out. When the people they love can't be buffered anymore by their energy as well. Then the blue knows they have to end it, they have to leave it. It's sad, though, with blues, because it's never because of what they're going through. Usually it has to extend to someone they love going through it too. Indigos, everything I just said about blues plus ready Indigos will put up with something for a really long while, but once they shut the door on it, they are done. I mean, indigos will kill a memory quicker than anyone else. Like once an indigo door, it's like called door slamming. Once they slam the door, they are done. That door does not open. Indigos take a long time to shut that door because they know that you, if you're an Indigo, you know this about yourself. You're like, I don't want to be done because I know when I'm done, I'm done. I know when I'm done. They're dead to me. And so Indigos can put up with loving in layers, especially if the one who is doing this to them is very introspective, which is usually a trick. A bit of a talker, really good at covering up their abuse with, like, their therapy talk or their feelings or their emotional depth and. And their emotional intelligence. This does keep an Indigo around a little longer because Indigos need to know that what they see, you know, I see this in you. I see this. I see all those broken parts in prisoner within you. If the abuser is like, oh, I see them too, and they speak to that, they validate it. They make sure that they know, yes, they're real, all the things you're saying are true. The abuser in the scenario will often actually refer to their own pain bodies, their own imprisoned self, their own fractured self, their own layers, and talk about them openly. And that tricks an Indigo into staying a little longer. So notice if somebody is, oh, I agree with you. Yes, I'm totally like that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. But they're never getting better because just because somebody validates you doesn't mean anything if they're not making it better. So a little, little trick that these abusive people keep you as an indigo, loving them in layers. Purples. You know, purples think they can outsmart it. They can outsmart the loving in layers thing. Purples are really good at spinning things. They're very creative. They can work within chaos. They actually don't mind a little chaos. They don't like normal. They're not really into normal people, which makes, you know, these. There's a difference between somebody who's odd and somebody who's abusive. But, you know, these abusive people can manipulate you into thinking they're just odd or eccentric or different. They have a better time of people's issues than others. They can deal with a little bit more differentiation behaviors than other people. They can explain away someone's layers as moods. They can expect patterns they've come to know and avoid. They talk themselves into thinking, oh, that's just their personality. That's just their eccentricity, that they can handle it. Oh, I'm doing it so you guys don't have to. I got it, I got it. Purples are very tough like that, emotionally tough. They will be the ones to take the metaphorical or unfortunately, sometimes literal punches in order to shield others from the brunt of it. They can get a feeling of helpfulness in this way. A sort of like, I'm tough enough to Love you kind of a vibe. Purples can handle extremes and overall calamity more than other aura colors. But eventually, they will quit. Eventually, they will quit on these people. When they see that it's not making the purple aura special or helpful or different or anything. It's actually just them being dumped on and abused. Usually this happens for purples when they see this abusive person abusing other people in the same exact way, and they're like, hey, wait a second. I thought this was just a me and you relation. I thought we were special, which is kind of sick. But listen, I'm purple, so I get it. So, like, when you see this abusive person abuse, this is how layered it is. And I hope and just come with me here into the darkness. When you have a relationship with somebody and it's mostly abuse, you begin to think that's your special connection. So when they start abusing somebody else, you can actually be sick enough to be jealous about it. And I don't know if I'll. That's my experience, okay? And I'm getting real honest with you. And I do see that with other people, too. So I think that if you ever have that feeling, hey, wait a second. Now they're abusing somebody else. And then if you get a little feeling in your gut, like jealousy or envy or I'm not special.

[B]

Whoa.

[A]

You have been programmed to love in layers. You have been conditioned. Run away from it. Walk away. It has. It has lost its value. And this is where I call upon. I should have said this before. The mental health practitioners of the mystic Michaela spiritual family, we always love what you have to say because you all have such important and amazing advice to give us and tips and suggestions. Anyways, turquoise. How do turquoise auras look when they're loving in layers? Well, turquoises attempt to mirror it to heal it. What does that mean? Loving in layers for a turquoise involves a ton of them trying, like, a lot of their energy, attempting to get there with the person who is abusive. Like, let me understand you. Let me be you. Turquoises can become the place that actually triggers the abuser most, which I always find so fascinating about turquoises. I'll come back to that. And they can start. So turquoises can start to act out the most devastating things for the person who is abusing. They'll. They'll actually not only feel out what the core issue is for the person that's abusive, but they will then begin to reenact the exact triggers that the abusive person thought they weren't letting on. So for Example, if this person had like mommy issues, like maybe mom was verbally abusive to them or demeaning or neglectful or whatever, the turquoise will start to become that mommy figure to them, saying things that are reminiscent of the exact wounds which started their imprisonment of the fractured self in the first place. Thing is, the turquoise usually doesn't know what they're doing, so they end up getting blamed and accused and, you know, abused. And here's the thing with turquoise is when they realize they can do this, they're like, oh, yeah, I don't want to do this anymore. They just steer clear. As soon as the turquoise, like lights go on and they wake up, they're like, oh my gosh, you have mommy issues and I was just being your mommy to try to get you to heal. When the turquoise knows they're really good at picking up triggers, they don't have time to do that for the people who don't want to get well. So they just like shrug and walk away. I mean, it fascinates me that turquoises do this without realizing it, but once they start to realize it, that's when they usually are like, oh. And they're very self aware after that. Like, oop, I'm doing it again. Okay. That's why usually turquoises end up in like light working fields where people are like, hey, tell me what my triggers are. And they're like, oh, here, I'll tell you. And you know, it's, it's more of a healthy way to heal someone because you're not getting abused for it. You're getting thanked. I need, I want, I desire to hear your thoughts on loving in layers and how it's affected you and how you see it in your own life and how you've healed from it. Let's do that over on the Mystic Michaela Spiritual Facebook page. And you can also check out my substack where I talked about that documentary. We've had quite a lively discussion in the comments over there as well. This episode of Know youw Aura is brought to you by Wild Grain.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

This week I've been more with the sweets. I've been having the chocolate croissants and then I actually found in the freezer the cookies, the chocolate chip cookies, the.

[A]

Giant chocolate chip cookies.

[B]

And I'm like, yeah, let's get those going.

[A]

That's what you said to me. You're like, get that going.

[B]

Well, we had to defrost the freezer. Whole other story. We're going to talk about it in overtime.

[A]

But yeah, it was fun because we.

[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

Hey, guys. Well, I'm going to say you, you've gotten better.

[A]

Thank you.

[B]

At the, at this with people, with people, with people. But I'm going to, you know, just goof it around a little bit here. But not with the cats.

[A]

It's true.

[B]

The cats, they still, they own you.

[A]

They do.

[B]

They do.

[A]

I mean, I make so many excuses up for them.

[B]

I will tell you, Banks lives. I mean, there's only like three cats that live a better life than Banks. Those are Taylor Swift's three cats. Those three are the top. Living the best life. And then Binks is living the fourth best life of all cats on the planet right now.

[A]

No, I, I agree. I, it's like living with a perpetual newborn. He wakes me up in the middle of the night to eat and I listen because he's hungry and that's when he likes his soft foods.

[B]

You know, I'll get Up, come downstairs. It's like 6, you know, usually 6:30 in the morning. School. Right. And I'll be like, how'd you sleep?

[A]

And you're being not good.

[B]

And I'll be like, why? Why didn't you sleep good? You know, the cats, they just woke me up all night.

[A]

It's Bing.

[B]

Yeah. Binks, he wanted to cuddle. He wanted a meal.

[A]

He does.

[B]

I'm like, you didn't get up this much with Ab.

[A]

I didn't get up this much with the kids.

[B]

The kids.

[A]

He. Yeah, I know. He needs to spoon sometimes in the middle of the night. He likes his smalls in the middle of the night, and I just can't. There's nothing he won't understand if I try to train him out of it. Right.

[B]

And by the way, he's not a kid.

[A]

He's like three years old.

[B]

Yeah. He's not a kid. Like, you could, like, give a pass if you. You know, Binks was like, six months or something. I don't know what the kitten age is, but, yeah, he's not a kid.

[A]

But he has mommy issues. Right?

[B]

Right. That's what I hear. This is what she tells.

[A]

I feel like I. I feel like he was abandoned by his mother. Something must have happened to her. And all the kittens were just left alone in a parking lot, and that's where they were found. And I feel like he's just. He needs me. He needs me to mother him.

[B]

Yes, he's.

[A]

And it's true. But he's. That's sweet. But, like, it is true. I probably do love in layers, like. Like with Rocky, God rest his soul. St. Rocky did use to physically attack me when he got mad.

[B]

Yes, he did. I was the only one that he stopped physically attacking because he knew the wrath of that. Everyone else got bit tacked.

[A]

He was so. He. It wasn't his fault. He was just like a hunter in his heart. And he had, like, rage issues. And he also was a street cat. He was thrown from a window as a kitten.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

You know, and was rescued. So I can't imagine the trauma he had. But it's true. I would make up all these excuses to the point where I had once, I had, like, these bru. This bruise and a bite on my arm so big. My friend Amanda looked at me in the eyes as if I was in. If I was in a relationship with an abusive boyfriend. And she looked at me, no joke. And she was like, megan, this is abuse.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And you need to end this now. Like, she was really Worried about me.

[B]

I. There was a one point, I can't remember if it was Rocky or Roy.

[A]

Where I was just like, he was like that too.

[B]

I'm like, it's either me or the cat.

[A]

Oh, that was Roy. Yeah, it's just like you said, it's.

[B]

Me or the cat. Like these cats were abusing you.

[A]

And I picked up Roy and I went into the bedroom and shut the door and didn't talk to you. And you said, you know me longer, you know me longer.

[B]

I mean, these cats truly are abusive to you.

[A]

They are. And that's where my problem is. I can't. I think all the cats and this happened has happened with dogs in my life too. I pick out the most traumatized ones. I think I'm actually scared of picking out my own dog because a cat you can handle like a dog with trauma is harder. My dad, who's green aura was always so good at picking out dogs for us.

[B]

Right.

[A]

You know, I think like if you're going to pick out an animal and you're like me, you need somebody who's less loving and layers coded to pick them out for you for, you know, a cat that will last or a dog that'll last in the family a little longer. Just a little pro tip for picking out an animal.

[B]

All right, well, you're working on it. Things will one day get better with the cats.

[A]

We have a part. We have a non abusive bunch right now. They're just more kind of needy.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No one's getting swiped at.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Bit. Yeah, they're definitely a more mellow bunch.

[A]

They're more just like.

[B]

By the way, Binks is the sweetest cat on earth. Angel, I've never seen a cat that will just let you rub their belly.

[A]

He's the prince of like.

[B]

He just spreads it all.

[A]

He just splays.

[B]

Yeah, he just splays it all out and says, you know, rub me and it's really weird actually. But I've never seen a cat do that because our, you know, Cleo, if I try to do that to her, most cats don't. Yeah, most cats would swipe. Dusty would have a spaz. Yeah, he'd spaz out as a sweetheart. Yeah, it's true. Thinks the pink. Sleeping like a baby right now.

[A]

Yeah, well, all right, so. Yeah, I have to talk about this.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

I don't know if this is overtime. We'll call it overtime. Sure, whatever. All right. Overtime. Rules of overtime. You can leave now.

[B]

Yep. It's on you. Anything we say, it's on you, not on us.

[A]

Okay, overdone. All right, so I have all these spiritual awakenings, you know, like, loving in layers and all this stuff and, you know, all the shadow work. And I'm always like, scott, I had a message today, a download, you know, this and that. But this week you've had a real crisis.

[B]

This was a big one.

[A]

This was a big red aura crisis for you. And it was probably the equivalent of a huge spiritual download slash spiritual awakening, slash meeting with your spirit guide. You felt you got ripped off by the maintenance guy for the fridge and you can't live with yourself.

[B]

It's very. It's been very. This is a tough week for me. It's been very hard for me to live with myself.

[A]

It's true. We're not making this up.

[B]

No, I'm serious.

[A]

He's having a crisis for all you.

[B]

Reds listening, all three of you. Maybe you know what I'm talking about. But. Yeah, Yeah. I mean, I'm gonna put this at the top five ripoffs of that. Of my life that I've ripped off. Yeah, this is in the top five. I don't know the order of them.

[A]

But God prides himself on not getting ripped off.

[B]

I definitely do. I feel like most of the time, I do not. I feel like I'll go through life pretty much, you know, 95% of the time, I do not get as much.

[A]

As you can, because most of life is a rip off.

[B]

But in most things, this fridge one, really.

[A]

So what happened? Set me back just real quick. And this is. He could say this a lot longer, but I'm going to say it real short. The ice maker was making a weird growl sound. So it's like. It sounded like a horror flick downstairs. It was like. And it was like. And then his first. He first has denial when you tell him these things. Like, Scott, the fridge is growling like a scary zombie. No, it's not. It always makes that noise. Well, like a couple days later, then it's like, okay, finally we can all understand that. It's not. It's actually really stressful and scary. And, you know, what does everybody tell you? They tell you defrost the freezer. Like, that's the big thing. And you kind of thought it had something to do with the ice maker and this and that. But then you were like, oh, but it's under warranty, so I'll just call.

[B]

Right.

[A]

And then you called.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And this was your first red flag.

[B]

Yeah. So, yes, this is. This is correct. And usually I'll tinker with it. And I was actually tinkering with it before I called.

[A]

Yeah, but you didn't defrost.

[B]

I didn't frost. I would, like, leave the door open for a couple minutes, and then it would go away and then come back. And of course, it would go off in the middle of the night when I didn't hear it. When you were up with Banks after he woke you up. So I was like, you know, it was a little bit denial, but whatever. So I looked up the warranty, and I'm like, oh, it says, you know, because the fridge isn't old. It's only a year and a half old.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And said warranty is up to five years on all these things.

[A]

So your intention was good. Your intention was, like, not to get ripped off? Like.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Like, you know, if it's broken, these people should fix it. I just bought this fridge.

[B]

Yeah, exactly. And so. And again, usually I try to fix it myself.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And that is a last resort. So it was a little bit weird stress for him. Yeah. So I called and. And I'm on the phone with these people. They keep me on the phone for, like, an hour. They try to sell me things. The whole time they're trying to sell me things. And I, like, every time. No, no.

[A]

So unlike you to stay on. I'm so surprised you didn't hang up.

[B]

And that's the thing. Like, I think I was getting messages. Not from Phoebe, because she's probably at the bar, but another spirit guide was coming through and telling me. Scott, hang up. Hang up.

[A]

Oh, my God. You should listen to that one.

[B]

I know, I know.

[A]

What's that one's name? That one. Seems like you've taken over for Phoebe.

[B]

I need a new spirit guide.

[A]

No, it sounds like you have one.

[B]

Yeah. Wednesday. Adam's got a new spirit gu.

[A]

Why can't I name this one Mike?

[B]

Mike?

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Maybe I need a. Maybe I need a dude.

[A]

I think you need a dude. And I think his name's Mike.

[B]

All right.

[A]

Mike the spirit guide. So, okay, so Mike was like, get off the phone.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So finally I feel like Mike's a.

[B]

New Yorker after I. And then I finally, they transfer someone, and unfortunately, this person is going to get the wrath. So they've already transferred me, like, three times.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

I've already, like, said no to three people. And then they get to the fourth person and they're like, hi, having a great day here at Whirlpool.

[A]

How can I help you?

[B]

And all of a sudden it's like, just give me the thing, you know?

[A]

Yeah. Like, send someone out.

[B]

And they're like, okay, sir.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So. But then at the end of the. So they set up an appointment and there's another red flag. It's like, you could have the appointment next day. Oh, the next day, red flag. So I'm like, okay, sure. And they're like, oh, by the way, it'll be $150 fee.

[A]

Oh, there it is.

[B]

No matter what. Like, no. Like, I'm like, wait a second. Even if they fix it and it.

[A]

Was your fault, they don't fix it. Or if they. Anything. Right.

[B]

Anything is 150.

[A]

So it's not really a warranty. It's just a way for them to make money.

[B]

Yeah. So like, 150 bucks for them to make.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

So I'm like, fine. All right. And I don't know why.

[A]

So weird.

[B]

Mike goes against every red bone in my body.

[A]

Did Mike tell you not to say yes to that, or did he leave you at that point?

[B]

Yeah, I almost did cancel it, but then I'm like, you know, the noise, you know, it's like, if it goes off at the wrong time, goes off during a reading, I'm going to feel upset or something. Over here, we're taping this podcast and it goes off. The listeners aren't going to like that.

[A]

That's true.

[B]

So. So fine.

[A]

Blaming everybody else.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. So the next day, the guy comes.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And goes to the fridge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Opens the door.

[A]

The freezer.

[B]

Freezer. Yeah. Closes the door. Opens door, Close the door. See, this is the problem. And gives me the biggest line of bs.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

That you've ever heard. And basically. And says, you have to defrost the fridge.

[A]

That's it.

[B]

Yeah. And he's like, okay. I'm like, okay, that's it. He's like, yeah. Here, I'll put this little piece of putty here just in case. So he goes to his car, comes back, puts a little piece of putty.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Whatever. Bullshit. And then $212.

[A]

Yeah. And.

[B]

And then it's still broken when he leaves, by the way. Wow. Because it's. He has to defrost the fridge.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

And he's like, I could do that for you. I forgot to tell you. I didn't even tell you this.

[A]

Oh.

[B]

He's like, oh, I could defrost the fridge for you.

[A]

Are you going to wait here for eight hours?

[B]

No, he has, like, a system where you can do it fast.

[A]

Oh, really?

[B]

Yeah. And I'm like, okay. How much would that be? He's like $400.

[A]

That's insane. God. Wait, you forgot to tell me that one.

[B]

I'm like, no, no, I'll defrost it. I'm like, I'll defrost it. Anyway, so.

[A]

So. So basically, fast forward. Scott's having a crisis. Yeah.

[B]

I paid $200. $212.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

For someone to tell me to defrost the fridge.

[A]

In a way, I would rather just have somebody local come and give them the money than, like, this company. You know what I mean? Like, you know how, like, there's local guys that'll do with them themselves. A candyman. I would rather have, like, a handyman come and do it than, like, give it to, like, a big old company that.

[B]

Well, yeah, I mean, me too. I mean, I actually was hoping there'd be something wrong, you know, like, because I technically, if it's like the compressor or something, they say it's free.

[A]

Right?

[B]

This is where they get you.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because it was 150 bucks just for them to show up. So now the guy is there. He's like, well, for. I could put this little piece of.

[A]

I guess that cost 50 bucks.

[B]

50 piece of putty. But, like, you're already in it. You're, like, already in it. And in my mind, like, I'm going through, like, when this is all happening.

[A]

This is unlike you.

[B]

No, it's very unlike you.

[A]

Yeah. What's going on with you?

[B]

There's something wrong with me.

[A]

Oh, my God. There's definitely something wrong right now. I'm like, what's wrong with you?

[B]

No, what is wrong? Tell me. What is wrong with me?

[A]

You're fine. I think you just got lazy about it.

[B]

I'm depressed.

[A]

Oh, no.

[B]

Like, you depressed me.

[A]

You are so. Scott is having a life crisis about this. A red crisis. He feels like he's too weak for this world. I know.

[B]

Actually, I had to. Right after he left, I went on. Made a quick stock trade.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Because I had to get the money back.

[A]

Really?

[B]

Yeah, I just made the. I made, like, 300.

[A]

You can make it that quick?

[B]

Sometimes if I'm really motivated. If I'm super motivated.

[A]

Wait a second.

[B]

No, no, I. I have to be ripped off. Motivated. You understand? Yeah, I was.

[A]

So the kids are ripping us off all the time. Like, that should really motivate you.

[B]

That doesn't motivate me as much as this.

[A]

Okay?

[B]

Like, I can't even look.

[A]

Maybe the taxi cab driver, you know, he likes.

[B]

He likes a hot dog from a cart.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah, he likes hot dogs from a Cart. Yeah, he likes a good bagel. He loves a good slice.

[A]

Wait, what do you say? Like, when you order a hot dog from a cart? How do you order that? Go back.

[B]

Oh, gosh. It's been so long since I got a New York City hot dog.

[A]

I want it with onions. How do I say that?

[B]

I probably can't even do that because it's probably too expensive. I'd probably be like, they're ripping me off of this hot dog.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You charging me $12 for this hot dog.

[A]

That's what you would have to say.

[B]

That's what I'd be saying. $12?

[A]

You're like, $12 for a hot dog?

[B]

I'm still not over the time I spent $16 on two bottles of water at a concert.

[A]

I know.

[B]

So I don't know.

[A]

You expect to get ripped off at a concert?

[B]

Yeah. So my Mike.

[A]

So, yeah, you met Mike. You're New York City sphere.

[B]

He's my new spirit guy.

[A]

Yeah. I think he tells you not to get ripped off.

[B]

Yeah. He'll do better than Phoebe.

[A]

He's gonna do better than Phoebe.

[B]

Phoebe's just drunk.

[A]

Phoebe gave up on you.

[B]

Yeah, she gave up on me.

[A]

Phoebe's like, meet me in the next lifetime. We're done. Yeah, but Mike's here.

[B]

Hopefully.

[A]

So we got Mike. And what else? You know, I don't know. Maybe you made that stack tree. So that was good.

[B]

So you have any, like. So what do you tell? What can you tell? You know, for all those reds out there. All of us. All four of us.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

How do we come back from this? I think it's orally. Orally.

[A]

I think it's good to feel like you're slipping every once in a while so you can kind of revisit where your weaknesses are and put some 50 buck putty around them. You know, like, you know, and then also go back to, like, what you already knew. You knew you just had to defrost the freezer. Okay, so why didn't you listen to that part of you? You know, mistakes are our teachers.

[B]

So what you're saying is I have to go back to my cheap old ways. I think that it had something to do with the cheapness.

[A]

You know, that is true. Because you've been real insecure about being cheap lately.

[B]

Yeah. So maybe.

[A]

And maybe you didn't want to be cheap. But that's. That's different. Yeah. Because it's common sense.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So, okay, so if it's me, you're not cheap. Okay. If it's the fridge, you can be cheap.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

How about that?

[B]

All right. I could live with that.

[A]

Well, thanks for working it out with us, guys.

[B]

I'm trying. We're trying.

[A]

All right? This podcast is for you and about you, and we're so glad you spent some time with us today.

[C]

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