EP297: Double Empath Aura's Explained

Summary

Know Your Aura with Mystic Michaela

Episode 297: Double Empath Aura’s Explained
Date: November 6, 2025
Host: Mystic Michaela
Co-host: Scott

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on “double empath” aura color combinations—specifically the unique challenges, patterns, and strengths people with two empathic aura colors (indigo, blue, turquoise, pink, purple) experience in a world designed for more “logical” aura combinations (red, yellow, green). Mystic Michaela and Scott compare different double empath combos, offer practical identification tips, and dive into strategies for thriving with these energy patterns, all with their signature warmth and humor.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Double Empath Auras & Societal Challenges

• Society, as structured, doesn’t typically favor double empath aura combos. Empaths often feel out of place because traditional systems reward logic, competition, and “ego projection.”
• These combos are rare among leaders; they’re often overlooked, misunderstood, or even actively marginalized for their sensitivity.

“The society that we’ve created—well, basically white males—is not designed for the double empath.” – Scott (01:00)

“If we had double empath aura color leaders, it would look totally different.” – Michaela (02:43)

• Empath combos may camouflage by wearing “chameleon” auras or develop “get stuff done colors” to better survive in the system.

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2. Comparing Double Empath Combos

A. Purple Indigo vs. Purple Blue

• Purple Indigo:

  • More reclusive, mysterious, “witchy.” Holds energy for longer, senses intentions deeply, can seem dark when crossed.
  • Grudges develop more slowly but are deeper.
  • Slightly more formal or tailored in dress, spends more per item.

• Purple Blue:

  • Slightly less isolated, more prone to pettiness but forgives more easily.
  • Grudges are about smaller, surface issues.
  • Lounges more, spends less, owns more clothing items.

“Purple indigos are the more reclusive witch... don’t tick off the purple indigo.” – Michaela (04:20)

B. Turquoise Combos

• Turquoise Purple:

  • Wild, rebellious, intuitive, “van life” vibes, comfortable with nontraditional lifestyles; upcycling, hippie style.
  • Less worried about fitting in.
  • More likely to pull themselves out of codependent dynamics due to purple’s influence.

• Turquoise Blue:

  • Struggles with identity, absorbs others’ energy deeply, can become lost, lonely, needs a personal hobby or “label” for grounding.

• Turquoise Indigo:

  • Reclusive, leans into caregiving roles within family or close-knit circles, finds self-worth through deep care of others.

“Turquoise purples are a little bit more wild and... very go with the flow, hippie-like... most likely to live in a van!” – Michaela (15:36, 15:53)

• Turquoise people often “slip through the cracks,” becoming invisible in group settings.
  • Michaela shares a personal story of her turquoise child being overlooked during a school ceremony. (18:36–21:10)

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C. Pink Combos

• Pink Purple:
  • Most impulsive and rebellious; tunnel vision about joy and self-expression.
  • Bold fashion, not age-conscious in style.

“Pink purples just do what they want and that’s why it looks so good on them!” – Michaela (29:30)

• Pink Blue:

  • Sweet, soft, huggable, childlike, introverted. Harder to spot; might be mistaken for a blue or blue-yellow.

• Pink Turquoise & Pink Indigo:

  • Extremely rare, especially in adults.
  • Pink turquoise kids invent independent, imaginative play; both colors are stubborn.
  • Pink indigos are homebody “party for one” pinks—creative at-home rituals and celebrations.

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3. Living With a Double Empath Aura: Practical Application

Michaela & Scott share actionable tips:

• You’re not crazy! It’s natural to feel out of step with the world if you’re a double empath.
• Allow for mistakes & quirks. You might do things “backwards,” seem scattered, or not get things right on the first try.

“It’s okay to make mistakes. You might look a little more disheveled to people, you might not get things done the first, second, or third try.” – Michaela (41:20)

• Ask for what you want. Practice speaking up (“You’re too nice. Speak up!” – Scott, 42:18)
• People will attack your best traits. “Own it. Yeah, I am sensitive. Yeah, I am compassionate. That’s 100% correct.” – Michaela (46:30)
• Community is key. Finding or building a group of understanding, similar-energy people is essential.
• Don’t over-empathize with inanimate objects. (E.g., you can put away the Christmas Snoopy—it’ll be okay!)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Aura Colors & Life:
  • “Auras are in the details.” – Michaela (00:13)
• Double Empath Visibility:
  • “Turquoises...not seen. Invisible. Slip through the cracks.” – Michaela (18:09)
• Why Empaths Struggle:
  • “It’s kind of like living in a foreign country.” – Michaela (41:08)
• On Caretaking:
  • “Turquoise indigos tend to go into family life...they become like uber indigo-focused.” – Michaela (23:10)
• Cultural Observation:
  • “It’s just, we are forced to fight against certain parts of ourselves—the ego selves—that create that conflict.” – Michaela (52:01)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:07–03:40: Introduction to double empath aura combos and societal misfit status
• 04:02–11:10: Purple Indigo vs. Purple Blue deep dive
• 15:21–24:18: The turquoise combos—differences in personality, challenges, and the “van life” archetype
• 27:39–36:36: Pink combos, rarity of pink turquoise/pink indigo, behavioral quirks
• 40:07–53:24: Practical tips for double empaths; handling hypersensitivity, asking for what you need, and building community

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Practical Takeaways

• If you resonate with two empath (non-logic) colors, you’ll experience the world more intensely; give yourself grace.
• Identify your habits (“grudge holder,” “the unnoticed one,” “the impulsive fashionista”)—it helps with self-understanding and acceptance.
• Don’t let society’s template convince you there’s anything “wrong” with your experience.
• Seek out or create supportive micro-communities. Shared language and validation are vital for emotional survival and thriving as a double empath.

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For more:

• Take the aura color quiz: knowyouraura.com/quizzes
• Listen to referenced episodes:
  • Ep242 (Sensitive Auras), Ep246 (Rebellious Auras), Ep254 (Get Stuff Done Auras)

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Transcript

[Scott]

Foreign.

[Michaela]

Michaela spiritual family, welcome to know your aura with mystic Michaela. Today we are talking about double empath aura combos. Yeah. I always say auras are in the details. And we talked about logical aura color combinations two weeks ago. And this week we are going to deep dive into the empath aura combos. But first. Hey, Scotty.

[Scott]

Hey, guys. Well, looking at the list of the combos we're going to do today, there's not one logicolor in any of these combos.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And I always wonder, especially with some of the combos we're going to get to is how do people with these double empath auras get through life?

[Michaela]

You're married to one of them.

[Scott]

No, I know.

[Michaela]

And let me.

[Scott]

I have to kind of say something about that. It's not like if there was no society that was created.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

Then it would be fine.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

If just that the society that we've created. Well, basically white males is not designed for the double impact.

[Michaela]

It's not. It's not.

[Scott]

Right. And I understand that. I totally get that. You know, even me now being a red blue, I'm not understanding it. And I got a huge logic color there.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

You know, and I usually rely on that logic color, but I can't even make sense of it if you have.

[Michaela]

A logic color that helps you navigate the 3D world.

[Scott]

Right.

[Michaela]

What you're talking about the society that was created of the ego projection.

[Scott]

And that's what I'm saying. Like if it'd been created differently or was a different society or no society or something else, then maybe the double empath. The purple turquoise is perfect.

[Michaela]

That's why a lot of the double empaths end up in cults, man.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Honestly.

[Scott]

But just the way.

[Michaela]

Welcome to the mmsf.

[Scott]

The way it's been designed since, you know, early civilizations of Mesopotamia to now.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

It's just not meant for. For the turquoise purple or the purple indigo or the pink turquoise or whatever.

[Michaela]

We're talking about purple, man.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And I'm with you. I'm. You know, I just don't understand how you could do it.

[Michaela]

You're an ally to the double empath aura compass.

[Scott]

I am a total ally.

[Michaela]

You are.

[Scott]

I am.

[Michaela]

And we need that. We need. We need the logic color helpers.

[Scott]

And now I kind of wish that society would have developed differently, that maybe the purple indigo, the double empath, would be revered more than the combos that are revered today.

[Michaela]

Really fascinating. Over in my substack, when I talk about politics, it's the double empath leaders that are the ones that get really trampled. Like, those are the ones that people go after or attack in different ways in the logic color ones. And it's hard to find double empath leaders. You know, I think we. It would look different if we had double empath oracolor leaders. It would look totally different.

[Scott]

And usually if they are that double empath leader, then they wear sometimes that chameleon green.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Oh, yes.

[Scott]

And then you're like, why do. I can't stand this person more than anything. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Why don't I like them? Why don't they feel authentic like that? Or they wear what I call it get stuff done aura color. And you're like, oh, are they weak? Can they not get the job done? Will they not be able to stand up to the bullies? Like that kind of thing? So. Because we also framework it in the logic colored ego projection 3D world where we have to survive.

[Scott]

Yeah, well, and I noticed that a lot on the subset. Cause there's that chat. There's this huge chat, and everyone can talk in there. Yeah, it's very safe, secure spot.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott]

And a lot of double empaths just. They just can't handle it.

[Michaela]

Yeah, everyone's tired.

[Scott]

They're tired. They can't handle it. It's just too, too much for them. And I get it. I get it. I'm with you.

[Michaela]

Well, let's talk about it. And I like that angle because it's like how maybe at the end we can talk about what do we do with it, how do we navigate, how do we help ourselves.

[Scott]

That sounds good.

[Michaela]

All right.

[Scott]

All right, so let's. Let's take these combos that are confusing again. We're trying, you know, you're trying to figure out is the person this combo versus this combo. So here we go. All right, so we'll start with purple indigo versus purple blue.

[Michaela]

Yes. And let me just. If you. Cause I've talked about this. There's three episodes you need to listen to for probably the double empath aura colors. It is all about the blues, blue to goes and indigos. That's the sensitive aura. Episode 242. There's also for turquoises and purples. The rebellious aura episode is 246. And the get stuff done episode, which is like, was a real purple blue episode is episode 254. But I wanted to talk about purple indigos versus purple blues. How do you tell the difference? And this is all like, in the details stuff. So we're getting a little. This is kind of entertaining, honestly. Okay, so I would say, like, they're both kind of witchy. Like, actual witch. Witch. Ish. But purple indigos are the more reclusive witch. Where. And purple indigo is like, don't tick off the purple indigo. Okay? Like, don't. Don't piss off the purple blue either. But the purple indigo lake, they get real dark. And they can be very dark with their witchy intentions towards you. And purple blues, they can be a little bit more petty about it, but they'll eventually let it go if they get distracted. Know what I mean by that? Like, if you. Well, you know me, Scott. Like, when you. Like when I'm really, really, really, really, really angry. Like, and. And, like, a weird thing will set me off. Like, something. It's intentions that set me off. As a purple Indigo, if I feel someone's intention, like, you can be grumpy, you can be rude. You can be having a bad day. You can just, like, be not even a pleasant person to most people, fine. But if I sense an intention, that's actually, like, mean.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, my God. Right there. And everyone's like, what are you even talking about? Like that. That's berry purple indigo.

[Scott]

Yeah. I mean, our. Our tactic is that we just wait it out. We wait it out.

[Michaela]

Maybe sometimes.

[Scott]

Yeah. Well, okay, so let's say you got, you know, like the other day, Bri.

[Michaela]

Says I have moods.

[Scott]

Yeah. Like, Bri, like, it's a lot of times, like, we're. All right. This is total honesty, okay? We're like our kitchen, you know? Let's say you're doing your. What's that sourdough bread thing.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

Okay. And let's say just, you know, one of us wants to get a fork or something. We just want a fork. It is, like, such an ordeal.

[Michaela]

But why do you want a fork the moment I'm doing my sourdough?

[Scott]

Because it just happens.

[Michaela]

You know what I mean?

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

No, no. Everyone's like, yeah, we know what she means.

[Scott]

No, no, no. We don't understand.

[Michaela]

I'm all hungry. The second I'm in there doing something.

[Scott]

You don't time it. It's not a purpose.

[Michaela]

Are you sure?

[Scott]

Well, you think. You think it is, but we. We. We don't, to be honest. We don't. It's just like, we just need a fork or a spoon or whatever and get some milk. Yeah, but you would think I'm the.

[Michaela]

Witch of the kitchen.

[Scott]

We have done. What we have done is so, you know, terrifying.

[Michaela]

Don't say anything.

[Scott]

No, we know you don't have to.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

Yeah, we know.

[Michaela]

And I think that that's a purple indigo thing.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Like, was what I'm trying to say, like, you kind of feel like, ooh, oh, they got dark on me. Like that kind of thing.

[Scott]

Yeah. So we know, like, if we just wait it out, right, that you'll. You'll. You know, sometimes it's very short. It could be a couple minutes. Sometimes it could be longer.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

But if we wait it out, you'll just come back to your senses.

[Michaela]

My normal self.

[Scott]

Yeah. And then we could get the spoon or whatever.

[Michaela]

You know, it's just such a pattern. Yeah, it's just such a pattern. Like, every. Like, if it could be. It could be like 3am and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go cook or something. The second I'm in there, I must release a hormone or a pheromone.

[Scott]

Well, that's what you say.

[Michaela]

Hi, can I get a fork? We our. In. Our kitchen's kind of small, so if somebody gets a fork, you do have to move and stop everything that you're doing.

[Scott]

Again, it could be, like, subconscious or something, but we don't know that we're doing it.

[Michaela]

This is intentional.

[Scott]

Like, I don't go into the kitchen to get that fork, you know, on purpose.

[Michaela]

I know you do, but anyways. But yeah. So I feel like purple indigo, they can kind of sense an intention. That was totally off topic. But that brings me to my next point. I would say purple indigos and purple blues both hold grudges.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

They're grudge holders. I would say purple blues hold them for smaller things than purple indigo hold them.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

So purple blue is going to hold it for something kind of more surface. And a purple indigo, it might take them a while to really develop a great grudge. But they are both grudge holders just different ways. And then I would say purple indigos and purple blues both were black mostly as their favorite color choice to wear. Okay. Just goes with everything, you know, you kind of. It always looks okay. It's not. It's very overwhelming to go shopping. So black's, like, the easy choice for a purple blue or a purple indigo. But I would say purple blues are a little less dressy than purple indigos. So I noticed, like, purple blues will go more for loungewear as much as they can. And purple indigos will do that too, but they let, like, less so because indigos do, like, more tailored kind of stuff. Also, purple blues will spend. This is very detailed stuff. Purple blues will spend less on their clothes than purple indigos will. But purple blues will buy more stuff than purple indigos will. Does that make sense?

[Scott]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[Michaela]

All right.

[Scott]

Oh, I. Okay. So just from my perspective.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

You know, pretty much now at this point, I can tell if someone's purple indigo or purple blue.

[Michaela]

Oh, can you?

[Scott]

Yeah, I could see a purple.

[Michaela]

Yeah. You're pretty good at it.

[Scott]

Yeah, I. I mean, the. The confusion for me would be whether they're purple indigo, the blue to go, the blue to go, or the. The purple blue. That's. Yeah, that's where my confusion still lies. But I can definitely tell that they're that double empath combo.

[Michaela]

Now you can kind of sense the indigo.

[Scott]

Yeah, sometimes I. Sometimes I miss that they might be wearing, like, a red or something.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Scott]

But I can tell.

[Michaela]

How can you tell?

[Scott]

No, I mean, I could tell the.

[Michaela]

I don't.

[Scott]

I don't know. I could just.

[Michaela]

What is it?

[Scott]

I can see it. I just see it. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah. It's a feeling between the indigo and the blue. Although, like, it. Like I talked about in the sensitive aura podcast, if you're indigo or you're blue or blue to go, all these things at some point are gonna make sense to you.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Indigos are just more incredibly reclusive than blues. That's like kind of the dip. That would be, like, the difference. And like, indigoes feel a little bit more mysterious.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Than blues do.

[Scott]

I always kind of look at. I kind of. Sometimes I'll ask what they do. And you. And you've probably told me 100 times, but, like, a purple blue might be better suited as a nurse because they could kind of handle. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Blues.

[Scott]

More trauma.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Than a purple indigo. Because a purple indigo might. It might be overwhelming.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

For them. Something like that.

[Michaela]

Oh, blues can handle more volume.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

With. With care. And indigos are better one on one, more intensive with care. So that's why I see indigo is usually in more therapeutic positions, one on one, like speech therapist or something like that. And blue is more kind of like, okay, here's a trauma room in the ER or something like that.

[Scott]

So if you're. So let's say you still are going to have. I mean, I assume people are still going to have trouble deciding if someone's like, purple indigo or purple blue. Is it that big a deal? Like, is it. Isn't it so close? Is it so close? Would it even matter, really?

[Michaela]

Just the way I read auras.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

I'm very into making it as specific as I can possibly get.

[Scott]

Right.

[Michaela]

Plus, Everybody I read. I was. I told them we're doing a workshop right now. And I think I told them on the zoom. They just come up with stuff. I'm like, you know, maybe, you know, you're purple blue, and you're purple blue, and you're purple blue, but it's kind of like grandma's apple pie. Like, we all have a grandma, and she all has her recipe for apple pie, and if we made it, it would all be apple pie, but it would all taste a little different. You know, like you're your own recipe of whatever oric combo you are. So there is, like, like, certain nuances of you. Of course, you make it a special little recipe of you. Of your aura combo, but it's not like kind of the blue versus indigo versus blue to go. It doesn't really matter. I just tried to. I really tried to. I tried to specify it for you so you can latch on, because I think with indigo is a big thing, is you can feel, am I not being social enough? Am I not. Do I not have enough friends? Am I not going out? Everybody's going out. Why don't I want to go out? Is there something wrong? There's something wrong with me. And then you just internalize that there's something wrong with you. And, like, you know, there's always a line like, we can't be hermits. We have to make ourselves do things. But that's, you know, it's okay to be happy and home and grateful and safe, and that's how you're happy, you know, So I just wanted to give people those, like, little details. But I think purple indigos and purple blues have a lot of quirks that separate them.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Yeah. All right. Like, for example, like, purple indigos, like, love to eat in their car, you know, or purple blues might not like that. I see little. Like, I try to get these little tiny things.

[Scott]

All right, what about. What about food trucks?

[Michaela]

I can't.

[Scott]

I hate eating from a food truck. Is that. Is there a certain color? I mean, I know this is off topic, but is there a certain color that likes a food truck?

[Michaela]

It's not purple indigo.

[Scott]

No, it's not purple.

[Michaela]

Purple blues could do it.

[Scott]

Purple blue could do a purple, blue.

[Michaela]

Blue. And then, like, greens.

[Scott]

Greens.

[Michaela]

Greens don't like to sit.

[Scott]

I just.

[Michaela]

I don't know what it is.

[Scott]

I hate a food truck.

[Michaela]

Yeah, Greens can do Depends. Like. Yeah, I can see, like, more greens, like, in food trucks, too, because, well, if you follow a food truck, they're a big thing. Down here, if you follow. It's weird because where I'm from, it's not such a big thing, right?

[Scott]

Too cold.

[Michaela]

It's buffalo. But like, down here it's like, oh, the food trucks on this, I'm like, when I moved down here, I'm like, who's following? Who's like, fan fanning on food trucks. Well, people do because they make certain, like, things and they. The greens.

[Scott]

Maybe a purple, blue. All right, yeah, let's take a break. We come back. We're going to cover turquoise.

[Michaela]

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[Scott]

Hey, guys. All right, so let's, let's take the turquoise. Yeah, we got turquoise purple, turquoise blue.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

And turquoise indigo.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And then later, we're even going to cover pink turquoise.

[Michaela]

Yes. Not a lot of those.

[Scott]

Not a lot of those. All right, so let's look. What's the differences between these? Turquoise, purple, blue, indigo.

[Michaela]

Okay, so I would say like turquoise Purples are a little bit more wild and, oh, boy, forever kind of teenager, Very rebellious, very go with the flow hippie like that. That's kind of like the turquoise purple vibe.

[Scott]

So most likely to live in a van.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like, when I talk about, like van life, you know, that'll be a turquoise purple. Not that the other turquoise wouldn't do it. I just feel like the turquoise purples are a little less worried about life problems or fitting in or other people's opinions of them. They have their. They're very. They kind of like, are in it. They have hippie vibes, you know, they. They like to upcycle their clothes. They have their own style. They love, like eccentric people, eccentric groups. They don't really have a type with love.

[Scott]

They're very insightful though. Right.

[Michaela]

Very intuitive, very good at reading other people. Very, like, drop the truth in a way, probably. It's easier for a turquoise purple to grasp. When I talk about the whole reflective mirror capabilities of the turquoises. I think the turquoise. Because every turquoise has the ability to pick up what other people are doing and then mirror reflect it back to the other person in an attempt to get that other person to see themselves like that. The problem with turquoise is a lot of times they don't know they're doing this. Turquoise purples, I think, have an easier time grasping that than the other turquoise combos at first, you know, just because they're purple too. And that purple can lend itself as like a perspective or a bit of a freedom from constantly absorbing into other people. Because turquoises are very absorbent. They're constantly absorbing. So the purple can kind of help them kind of take a step back, be like, actually, no. You know, so they might even go into situations for a while that are, I don't know, a little bit collective, we could say, or either codependent or a meshy or whatever. But their purple will drag them out quicker than the other turquoise combos that we're going to talk about.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Yeah, yeah. That's like, you know, van life.

[Scott]

Yeah. No, I mean, we have a turquoise purple, so I know the combo well.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Scott's worst fear, he's got to follow his kid in a van.

[Scott]

I follow. I already. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Well, like, very independent and very, like, good head on their shoulders, you know, kind of. I always talk about our purple, turquoise purple. Like the dark horse energy. Like, you don't see that one coming, you know, a lot. Very easy, easily underestimated.

[Scott]

Yeah. Is that for all the turquoises?

[Michaela]

Yes, turquoises that they're just not seen. They're not. Oh, my gosh. I say this, and I talked about this before in the rebellious episode because that's where I cover turquoises. But yeah, like, interrupted all the time. Not seen. Invisible. Slip through the cracks. And students, they're students that slip through the cracks.

[Scott]

What is it? It's. This is like a. Like a shield. Go over them. Like an energetic shield that they wear.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

What is it?

[Michaela]

Since I had. Having a turquoise kid has taught me so much. I'm very thankful for the experience. But for example, at home, very here, present loud energy, right? But anytime, you know, I do my mom things at the school, it's like earth to Abby. Like, you know, just kind of melds into the group a bit. Very. She always gets like great reports at school and stuff. You know what I mean? And all that. But like, do you even know her? You know, I think hard for people to get to know her a little bit.

[Scott]

I mean, that was like what just happened to her with her safety patrol. She just was invisible.

[Michaela]

You guys, this was. I've been a mom for what, 16 years now.

[Scott]

We go a little off topic here.

[Michaela]

This is off topic, which is like, I don't know what. I was so stupid. Like, they have to wear like these sashes and the tattletales. And this is like, oh, this is like the biggest deal in fifth grade, right? And they have this huge. Now because my other kid did this and they didn't do this. This is new this year. They have this whole in front of everybody badge ceremony where you decide. It's like a total, like hierarchy popularity contest. Because all the kids voted. It was just if you got voted for, and teachers, if you got voted for to be captain, lieutenant, et cetera. Okay, so fast forward, everybody went. There's three kids standing. The lady who runs it, she's like, okay, I have words left for the Golden Award. These are the ones that got the most awards ever or the most votes ever. And then Abby's standing up there and two other kids. And then she calls one of the kids names and the other kids names. And then she's like, okay, done, let's take pictures. And Abby's just standing there alone. The only kid left. All the parents are like, you know, there's the mumbling. The mom next to me looks at me like. Like it was actual, like shock and horror and I don't know what to do. And. And somebody. I tapped on the lady's shoulder and was like, oh. And then she's like, oh, like off the mic she's like, go, da, da, da, da. And Abby didn't know what to do. So she didn't get a pin or anything. So it was the most embarrassing, awful thing. Long story short, she wasn't seen. She didn't see her. She was standing up there alone in front of the whole school, in front of all the parents, in front of everybody. Didn't get an award. Didn't get anything. I went. You know, my purple. I went up there. You know, I hate confrontation, but I go. And I'm like, excuse me, is there something wrong? Because you didn't call her a name? Is there. Is there something off what she did? Oh, I dropped it. Okay. Oops. And then she goes over to Abby and blames it on Abby. She's like, abby, you should have said something like, what? She's 10.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

So anyway, so that was the most traumatic thing I think has ever happened. I mean, socially, right In. In a school. And it was. It's like a turquoise situation.

[Scott]

It is. I will. I have to note, my Red has to say that Abby, actually, if she was. She did get captain.

[Michaela]

She did.

[Scott]

She was captain.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

It's just the paper. The lady lost the paper, of course, when I wasn't at the ceremony. But when I heard about it, I was ready to go down to the school. Your red aura was like, I will be there tomorrow, 8am at the school. This lady's getting fired.

[Michaela]

Yeah, but we're like.

[Scott]

And everyone told me I couldn't.

[Michaela]

So everyone said, okay, you got shut down.

[Scott]

All right, turquoise. So what about the blue? The turquoise blue?

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah. All right. So turquoise blues. You know, I think they have a really hard time with identity. Who am I? What do I want to do? Where do I want to go? I feel like they can get really stuck in the part of their. Their absorbent part, because the blues absorbent, and then the turquoise, like, really absorbent. So they get so stuck in other people's thoughts and feelings, it's hard for them to pull themselves out of it. And they can feel kind of lone, alone and lonely, a little lost, a little sad, until they understand, like, hey, wait a second. You know, my ability to absorb into things is a strength. It is a superpower that is identity. I always tell, like, kids, like, people that kids that are turquoise blue, or if you're turquoise blue, get a hobby. Do something that's for you. Like, be like, okay, I'm a dancer, or I do crafts, or I do pottery. Like, pick something that you're just. Just latch onto it and Just, it doesn't matter if you're good at it or not. Just be the person that does that. It just kind of helps you framework identity in kind of maybe a label y way or whatever. But it'll help you long term in all sorts of aspects of your life. But yeah, they can feel a little lost with purpose.

[Scott]

Okay. I mean, how could I tell then a difference between a turquoise blue and a turquoise indigo?

[Michaela]

So turquoise indigos are just like the turquoise blues, but they're a little more reclusive.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

And turquoise indigos, I notice, get very turquoise blues. They can have a hard time finding connections like relationships. Turquoise indigos have an easier time, I feel like finding connections, relationships. Turquoise indigos tend to go into family life, go into their role as a partner, go into their role as a parent if they become a parent, go into their role as like a pet mom or pet dad if they become that. They just get very involved in the people's lives around them. So I feel like they lean into the indigo to be caretaker. They lean into the indigo to give them the identity. So they become like uber indigo focused.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

If that makes sense.

[Scott]

I got a question.

[Michaela]

Yeah. About very shy.

[Scott]

Yeah. Like for indigo. Does it. And I don't know if this will even make sense, but does it wear like. Does. Let's say you're indigo. Okay. One of your, one of your two colors is indigo. Does it wear differently if it's like purple indigo versus like a turquoise indigo or any other like red indigo, whatever. Like, meaning, like, you know what I'm saying? Like you said earlier that a purple indigo, like needs. You say they need their alone time or if.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Or does that still apply for the turquoise indigo?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Or other indigos?

[Michaela]

Yeah. All indigos are alone time. They like being with themselves. They don't like going out a whole lot.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Homebodies.

[Scott]

So it does. It does cross with the other. Like the other color doesn't change that indigo.

[Michaela]

Oh, the indigo is really strong in that way.

[Scott]

That's what I'm saying.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Yeah, you're right. Indigo is really strong that way. Like, it's hard to fight the indigo on that. Like yellow indigo, green indigo. Can't really fight the indigo sometimes. And what's funny is with turquoise, turquoise is really strong, like in the turquoise purple combination. Like, usually the turquoise really strong against the purple. So you can't really fight the turquoise in the turquoise purple combination, you know? So I think like with turquoise's purples, they. They get into their turquoise stuff. It kind of gets away from them. And then the purple like leads them out eventually or pulls against. But the indigo is always leading you in any, usually in any combination.

[Scott]

What about a red indigo?

[Michaela]

Does that, does the red indigo? It's like the indigo is always on and then the red is constantly trying to fix it. The red's trying to fix the indigo stuff. So that's why I usually see with red indigo is they're into like justice. Like, like, it's almost like too much for them. Like they, they see everything they need to help. They want to have other people feel how they feel. And then the red is like, okay, like fired up all the time. But the indigo leads that.

[Scott]

Okay. Yeah. All right, let's take a quick break. When we come back, we're going to cover pink.

[Michaela]

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[Scott]

Hey, guys. All right, so now we're going to cover pink. All right, so we're going to try to tell the difference between, let's say pink purple, pink blue.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

Pink turquoise. And we're even going to throw in pink indigo. You said it's very rare. Yeah, not too many pink indigos.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

So we'll see. All right, so I've seen you. Yeah, yeah. Pink purple then.

[Michaela]

Pink purples are so all the characteristics of pink, but they're like really impulsive.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

Very impulsive. They're very rebellious. They have kind of like tunnel vision on what they want to do. So when I talk about pinks having that joy bubble vibe or moments, being really important to them or having fun times and living their own kind of dreams, they get real tunnel vision about it. Like very intense and. Yeah. Like. Yeah. And then. Oh. I usually notice pink purples go for brighter colors than the other pinks. Like hot. Like a pink purple is wearing hot pink. They're wearing the, and they're wearing the shorts if they're girl or not. You know, short skirts, the glitter boots, the glitter eyeshadow. It does. And I love this about pink purples. They don't care how old they are. You know how they're always like, oh, you're too short to wear that skirt. You're too old to wear that skirt that short. Like what? That wouldn't even make sense to a pink purple or probably any pink, but especially a pink purple. They're like, wait, what, what does age have to do with my clothes? I don't understand, you know, So I think they crack me up because pink purples just do what they want and that's why it always looks so good on them with fashion. But yeah, they're kind of like louder in their pink and kind of blinders on more than the other pink combos to how that looks like when I talked about pink yellows last time, they're kind of more aware of how others are viewing them or what looks good kind of. Whereas pink purples, it's kind of like a four year old being like, I like this and I'm wearing these sunglasses with it and I'm wearing glitter eyeshadow today. Like that. And so it's just kind of different. They, they do it just because they like it.

[Scott]

Okay. Interesting.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

All right, and then what about. So now let's say you're pink, but you're blue.

[Michaela]

Pink blues are so soft feeling.

[Scott]

Soft feeling.

[Michaela]

Okay. Sweet like baby doll. Innocent, huggable, kind, you know, like they don't like loud noises, like soft kitty. Like so, so, so. I don't know, whenever I see a pink blue, I just kind of want to be like, come here, come here. Like even if they're like a 40 year old woman, I'm like, come here, come here, sit here. Gonna give you some crayons. Come here. Yeah. Like you just kind of want to parent them and make sure that they're okay. Like they don't like hear people fight or like what? I don't like that. You know, they're very like just. They live in a world where everyone's kind and everyone's sweet. Would it be like a feeling?

[Scott]

It seems like the pink purple.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

You could probably spot a mile, come in a mile away.

[Michaela]

Oh yes.

[Scott]

Are you gonna have trouble if there's a pink blue? Would someone have trouble like thinking they're pink? They might think they're more blue.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Like pink blues are a little harder to spot.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

You know, because they are like softer and quieter. It's probably the blue influencing it where they are just, they're kind of like, they feel so childlike to me. They feel like the most childlike of all the pink combinations. And they feel like, I don't know, like that little three year old you put in overalls and a jumper and put pigtails in their hair or something. Like they're just so, just, I don't know, I keep saying sweet, but that's what they are. So. Yeah, they're harder to spot. They're, they're quieter but they have all the pink attributes. Like they like their little moments in their world and they probably like want to go to Disney and they want to do all that kind of, all that kind of stuff for sure. But they're just not as loud about it.

[Scott]

Okay, so you're, you're most likely you're just going to think they're blue.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And some, you're not going to think they're a pink.

[Michaela]

You probably wouldn't. You might not know. You might think they're pink. Yeah, I'm sorry, Like blue, yellow, yellow or something. Or blue. Yeah, maybe blue yellow like that. Because they're really quiet and to themselves, but in their head, like once you start talking to them, you're like, oh, that's. They're very idealistic and they have like a lot of thoughts that are, oh, you think people are way better than they are. That's cute. But they really do think that, you know, so they see the good in everything.

[Scott]

Okay, what about pink turquoise?

[Michaela]

Not a lot of those. I feel like maybe there's one. I know there's.

[Scott]

I know one in the world.

[Michaela]

There's one I can think of in the group.

[Scott]

Oh, okay.

[Michaela]

That's it. I can't. It's really hard. I see, like, prank turquoise kids.

[Scott]

Yeah, a lot.

[Michaela]

But it's hard to think of adults that are like, that pink.

[Scott]

That would be a Pinks.

[Michaela]

And turquoise is actually. They feel like they have a lot in common sometimes.

[Scott]

Would that be like. Like, maybe they. As a kid, they played Barbies with crystals.

[Michaela]

Like, one of their Barbies was like a tarot reader. Yeah, like that.

[Scott]

They had a tarot reading Barbie who had a crystal shop.

[Michaela]

Yeah. I think, like, pinks and turquoises are pink. It's easier to talk about them as kids. So pink turquoise kids are. They have a lot of the pink kind of idealism, but they're. And pinks, by the way, are very stubborn. All pinks are very stubborn. I talk about it in the pink episode, but. And turquoises are very stubborn. So when you put that together, they can have no problem playing by themselves. For example, when they're kids, they like to make up their own rules for their game. They do feel like those would be the type of kids. Like, you know, when you're a kid, you're playing with somebody and then they change the rules, and you're just like, you can't do that. And you're like, yeah, I have a magic power now. So I'm invisible, so you can't touch me during tag. And you're just like, you can't do that. You know, like, that's like that kid. Like, they just kind of change the rules for how they want it to go because their most important goal is their playtime or how they see things or their world. Like that.

[Scott]

Okay, so anyways, and what about pink indigo?

[Michaela]

Not a ton of those either, but there are a handful in the group. Pink indigos. All right, so, like, the indigo leads it, but then they do pink things. So think about a homebody who's just very, very pink. Like, they are having a sleepover for themselves. Like, they're having a pink aura sleepover. Here's my special drinks. Here's my special. My coordinating jammies. Here's my coordinating. Like, it's like homebody pink stuff. Like, I'm watching this movie, you know, I put on my special sleep mask, and it's like a party for one. That is the most thematic thing you've ever seen like that. So it's like they'll do all their pink stuff by themselves. By themselves, yeah. And you could walk into their house at any moment and you're like, what is even happening here? Is this like a dreamland? And you think that they're planning it for someone else? No, it's for themselves.

[Scott]

Would a pink indigo love to plant parties on? Let's say Zoom calls. Oh.

[Michaela]

So the leader of the sub cult, the breakfast.

[Scott]

The waffles. The Waffles. The Breakfast club. Waffles. Yeah, waffles.

[Michaela]

They always play games and pink indigo.

[Scott]

Yeah, and they always play games and they do all. Like every holiday is celebrated. Every single holiday. There's like four holidays a month. They're all celebrated. They always do party parties. They've. They always ask me if I'll partake in them. I just give my red answer of no.

[Michaela]

And.

[Scott]

But. So maybe a pink indigo would like it on Zoom.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Versus.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I can see that. Yeah. Like the Zoom sub party. And then. That's funny. Our subcult.

[Scott]

And I'm gonna. Okay, this is the biggest problem I see for pinks. Yes, they are absolutely, more than any other color, are terrified. And I don't know why this is. I don't understand it. But they are terrified that they're gonna lose their pink. So they will send in picture after picture just to make sure that there's some pink there if they once have been confirmed as pink. Yeah. So my question is, is there one of these combos that is terrified more than the other combos of losing the pink, you know?

[Michaela]

No, because you're right. They're all. They all get, like, nervous. Here's the thing. Pink is really hard to keep. And I've talked about this so much in our society. So sometimes when you're going through trauma or just stress or anxiety or even if just something hits you during the day, you. I'll see the pink and turn to purple a lot or just fly off for a while. It doesn't go anywhere. It just might not be visible in your energy all the time. So it's not gone. And. And sometimes. And once I sometimes like with pink aura kids. And then you're not pink anymore. You can always, like, access your vibe, you know, that pink aura vibe by being playful or just attempting to. To connect with it. But I think they're. You're right. I think they all get a little nervous about losing their. They do their pink. Not all of them, but not all of them.

[Scott]

But a lot.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Because if it does. It's not always stable in everyone the same way it's stable in other people. That's just based on how you were raised and how you deal with stuff. But it's not gone and going like.

[Scott]

Lose anything and going back to this. What I. We talked about earlier. The society that has been created.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Doesn't really fit this pink purple, right?

[Michaela]

No. Society is super not. That's why. And I talked about this in the pink episode. The only, like it's really hard to keep pink on. And if you do have it, usually I see it in white women because I think that's the only place. Not all the time. I see it there, but that seems like societal wise with beliefs and whatnot. That's the end. It's the only place they're allowed to keep it. And if only if they act a certain way with it. But you still get attacked. So there's no winning anyways. So it's just. And I went. If you're interested in what I just said, the powerful pink aura episode. I go way into that. All right.

[Scott]

I mean, we covered pretty much every double empath combo. I'm sure we might have missed one.

[Michaela]

There'll be somebody.

[Scott]

You missed this one, you know, sorry if we did.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

Again, I feel for you. I don't know how you get through the day in the society that we have created. All right, we'll take a quick break, we'll come back, we'll do some practical application.

[Michaela]

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[Scott]

Hey, guys.

[Michaela]

All right, so now we are going to give you some tips. Your double empath aura combo. And life's hard. So here's some practical application. Yes.

[Scott]

Here we go.

[Michaela]

Okay, so I have some and you have some.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

Oh, okay, great. Okay, so my first one is you're not crazy. Okay. Like, you're not. And, and, and I have really wrapped myself into this one because I get real passionate about it. We live in a 3D physical world. Great. It's fun. There's a lot of fun things to do here. But it's not kind of. What if you're. When you're a double empath aura color, you connect way more to the 5D way of thinking thing. So the soul identity. So all the stuff you're trying to do, you're just trying to get by. It's kind of like constantly living in a foreign country or something. And. And you'll see people do things and you're like, why are they so mean? Or why are they doing it this way? Or why? How did I not know that's how you had to do this paperwork before you got this to happen. Like, how did I not know that? You're not stupid. You're not crazy. It's just not how you primarily do things. So you're constantly living, like, in a different country. It's kind of what it feels like. Yeah, that's my tip. You're not crazy. It's okay to make mistakes. You're going to make more mistakes. You're going to look a little bit more disheveled to people. You might not get things done the first, second or third try. You might do things backwards all the time like I do. It's just like normal people things, and that's okay.

[Scott]

What if you're red, blue like me?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

I always bring it back to me, right?

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And you're half empath, right?

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

Half color empath.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And you're starting to feel this 5D stuff too. You know, I'm, I think. Am I double empath now? I think I'm a double empath.

[Michaela]

Well, I think what happens is, is when you're around this more, you're. If you have a logic color, like your empath one just gets stronger.

[Scott]

Okay.

[Michaela]

And then all of a sudden, you're like, hey, wait a second. Yeah, this is weird. This is where this whole thing does work. Weird. This is. You see the perspective shift and you start to think more with that part of your energy a little bit differently. Okay. Yeah. What's your.

[Scott]

All right, here's my tip.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Scott]

My tip is you're too nice. Speak up.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott]

Like, you know, you're at a restaurant, you know, you're paying for the meal and the services real bad. And you. Let's say you order steak.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Scott]

And you know, like, you like your steak meat, say, well done.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

But you get like a rare. And you're just like, I eat it. Yeah.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And you eat it.

[Michaela]

Yeah, I'd eat it.

[Scott]

You'd eat it. Right.

[Michaela]

I just eat around the red part.

[Scott]

Right. And. And I actually, I used to. I think I used to speak up a little more myself.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Because, like, the other day, I got the wrong dressing.

[Michaela]

Oh, you did? Yeah.

[Scott]

I was supposed to get blue cheese, and I got, like, vinegar vinaigrette.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

I just ate it. That's like. That's like a double empath thing to do.

[Michaela]

I know, but it's okay to ask for what you want. It's okay to ask for what you want as long as you're polite. It's okay. Yeah, Yeah, I know. We always. I. I hate at. The waiters always look so busy, so I hate, like, doing it. So I totally.

[Scott]

The one time. Yeah. The one time with the food, I do get a little nervous because, like, if you do return, like, I don't. I don't really like to return something either.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And it's because, like, I'm terrified that they'll go back because you know how they take the dish.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And then they go back there.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

And they do something.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

What are they?

[Michaela]

You're worried about retaliation?

[Scott]

I'm worried about the red retaliation. Any, like a spit in the middle or something.

[Michaela]

In my. My life, a lot of purples work in kitchens.

[Scott]

And they do that, right?

[Michaela]

No, like, they're. So I think it just depends on your purple. You know, I think if it's, like, a reasonable request, like that one time we were at that fish place, and your fish came out raw. It was raw. And I know 100%, like, whoever brought that back and the cook or the chef saw that, they were like, oh, this is who did this? And they fixed it for you and brought it out. But if you're one of those people that you're just nitpicky, then maybe they get annoyed with you. But I don't think that that's nitpicky when your food's raw.

[Scott]

No.

[Michaela]

Like, if you have a point, I don't think anyone's gonna be annoyed with you. You.

[Scott]

Because the phone is leaving and then coming back.

[Michaela]

I know. That's always the fear, right? That's not gonna happen.

[Scott]

It's like when they take my credit card at the end, they're taking my credit card. Where's it going?

[Michaela]

What did you guys used to do when you worked at Domino's? And did anybody ever return a pizza to you?

[Scott]

Oh, yeah, all the time.

[Michaela]

Did you guys spit on it and give it back? Did you actually do that?

[Scott]

I never did, but, you know, we were. There was a bunch of guys there. They were all gross.

[Michaela]

I mean, it probably depends where you return something you don't understand.

[Scott]

Even if you didn't return something, the group of guys that were working there, like, you know. Yeah. Totally dirty. God knows what they were doing. Oh, yeah, exactly. You could leave that to your imagination. Double empaths. Okay. All right, what do you have?

[Michaela]

All right, my next tip is people are going to attack the best things about you. So they're gonna say, you know, you're too sensitive. They're gonna tell you you're stupid. Wow. You're so stupid because you care about hungry children. Wow. You're gonna start being like, oh, my gosh. They're attacking my choices for being helpful or healing or feeling sensitive for people. I don't know, you know, and. And you're going to get attacked for that. And that's really more a reflection on them. Those are people who never felt cared or loved or looked after. So when they see you feeling empathy for others or feeling sensitive for others that you don't know that's really a broken part in them that wish somebody had done that for them at some point. That's all that is. So you have to understand that that's a them problem, not a you problem. But they're going to try to make you or label you as foolish, naive, sensitive, foolhardy, all those things. And when in fact, they are just functions of the 3D world trying to make sure that you aren't using your empathy power to its fullest potential. So you can't listen to that. You have to own those labels and say, yeah, I am sensitive. Yeah. I am compassionate. Yeah, you got it. Yeah, I do care for people. I don't know. That's 100% correct.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

You just gotta own it.

[Scott]

And that's a tough one these days. This is a very. I mean, it's a tough one.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

Very, very tough one.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

All right.

[Michaela]

What's yours?

[Scott]

All right. I got driving.

[Michaela]

Oh, this is me driving. Sorry. Yeah, sorry. That's me telling drivers as I drive. Sorry.

[Scott]

Yeah. I mean, let's take merging as just an example.

[Michaela]

Right.

[Scott]

There's a certain way to merge, and you don't have. And by the way, you don't have to let everybody in. Okay. I know you do. And when you do that, just so you know, there's a red guy or Scott's behind you. Yeah. Who's just gonna get mad at you or angry at you. So that would actually reverse it. So, yes, you are technically being nice to the guy that you let in. Or woman, whatever. But you've also angered someone three cars behind you.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

So that negates itself out. So you could stop letting the people in. Because, in essence, yes, you're helping that one person, but that other person's upset with you.

[Michaela]

You know who I think I'm trying.

[Scott]

To use their logic against?

[Michaela]

Can I tell you who I think as a double empath color who isn't super nice on the road? Hetty. So someone like you, right, who, like, gets in last minute on the merge lane, you're like, hi. Hi. I guess it's going to get here. They're like, never. They feel your vibe. They're like, no, I like that, too, though. Yeah, you are.

[Scott]

If you do it correctly, I'll let you in. But if you don't do it correctly, I'm not letting you in.

[Michaela]

Yeah. It's more like, with you, if you respect their move, you're like, you know what? That was a move. I respect it. It was arrogant and cocky. I will let you in.

[Scott]

But truly, like, in the merging, how you're supposed to do it. And I know there's going to be, like, debate, debate.

[Michaela]

He's teaching us that you are supposed.

[Scott]

To go to the end where you cannot go any further. Yeah, you are. Yeah. You're not supposed to, like, stop in the middle.

[Michaela]

Oh, I go way at the end and I'll just wait in line.

[Scott]

Oh, no, I go down to the end.

[Michaela]

That's way too stressful for me. Yeah, it's way too stressful. I would rather just sit there and.

[Scott]

Just wait it out.

[Michaela]

Be polite. Okay. Polite. All right, sheep.

[Scott]

You'Re up.

[Michaela]

All right, this is my. My last tip. Community. You know, you got to be around people that get it. You have to. You just have to. The MMSF on Facebook now. I got my aura culture over on Substack. I mean, you gotta be around people that totally understand what you're saying and aren't. You don't have to, like, fight your point or hide it or be like, okay, what's everybody else thinking? So I can just fit in or whatever. You need to be around people that get it, and that is so helpful to have community. That'll help you the most. That's my tip.

[Scott]

All right.

[Michaela]

What's your tip?

[Scott]

All right. My last one is. Okay. I hear this stuff all the time, and I just want to tell you it's going to be okay. So things like, you know, the salt and the pepper shaker, let's say, when sometimes, like, the pepper shaker is missing and it's not next to the salt, and, you know, oh, they're in love.

[Michaela]

They need to be next to you.

[Scott]

I feel so bad for them. No, no, it's okay. It's okay. Or, you know, you're putting away the Christmas decorations and you box them up and they got to go in the attic or the basement or the garage, whatever. And you feel so bad for them all boxed up like a stuffed animal, you know, whatever.

[Michaela]

Oh, yeah.

[Scott]

Christmas, Santa Snoopy. And you put it in the box.

[Michaela]

And you're like, oh, the Santa Snoop next year.

[Scott]

What is he going to do in there all alone?

[Michaela]

No, no. Like Toy Story.

[Scott]

Yeah.

[Michaela]

So sad.

[Scott]

I'm here. I am saying you're. You don't have to worry about those things.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Scott]

Like, it's okay. Like, nothing's going to happen.

[Michaela]

Okay.

[Scott]

Does that make sense?

[Michaela]

So they're not real. They're not real and they don't have feelings.

[Scott]

Yeah. Again, this is coming from my Red Logic perspective.

[Michaela]

All right? So don't waste all that kind of sensitivity on it. Yeah.

[Scott]

Like yeah, you don't have to worry about that. It doesn't have to be sad, you know, the real world, sad enough that, you know there's enough there. But I'm going to be honest, I think we're all starseeds. This is just too much for us now. The world is ridiculous. It could have went another way. I could have developed another way. And maybe on another planet it has.

[Michaela]

I think on another planet there's got.

[Scott]

To be other planets where the double.

[Michaela]

Empath rule or another plane of existence. I think the other side is very different.

[Scott]

Yeah. I have to say I can't believe that every single place in the entire universe is run by the logic colors. I don't know.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Is that. I don't know. I'm getting a little woo woo.

[Michaela]

The logic aura colors are spiritual too, you know, like the reds, the yellows and the greens. It's just that they, their, I don't know, shadow sides align more with the way the 3D world set up. That's all. But there's spiritual sides to them as well. It's not like verses, you know. But I know what you mean.

[Scott]

Yeah. I mean I, I just wonder, does it. Did it have to. This is going like a little off topic and everything. Just like getting philosophical here.

[Michaela]

Yeah.

[Scott]

Did it have to like all develop this way? I just don't like. Did the 3D have to develop this way?

[Michaela]

Yeah, because I think. Well, it's a biological world. I think like it's a world of. I'm super, not a scientist saying this, but I feel like it's a world of biology, you know, It's a world where we're in this physical body with certain needs and survival skills. And so it's very doggy dog for everybody. If you look out in the backyard, even you're seeing like sad things happening, you know what I mean? Just in nature. And I feel like we just took it with our brains to the next level.

[Scott]

But it. So then it's basically just truly pure physicality.

[Michaela]

I feel like the fact that we're shoved into this system like this grid of existence, it's just we are forced to fight against certain parts of ourselves, the ego selves that create that conflict. That's necessary for the lessons to be derived from it. That's what I think. I think that's the overall purpose. But I don't think it could be. I don't know. Maybe. Maybe that's sad. I don't find it sad. What I'm about To say I don't think it could be different. I feel like that's just humans.

[Scott]

Human beings had to develop. And again, I'm going back to time of Mesopotamia, first civilizations. It had to develop this way. There was no other way it could have developed.

[Michaela]

Well, I feel like that's why we find these little sub communities. Like you have to find sub communities where it. Where it can only work in tinier little sub. It's the only way it can work, right? Like maybe even like. Like tribal. I don't know. I think that's the only way it can work where it's not as toxic when it's. Everything's more communal shared and the mentality isn't. So mine and mine, mine, mine, mine, mine. Like I think that that's what happens when there's too many people sharing a spot. I think it's like more pockets like this could happen in. I think there's just too much happening at once. Okay. I don't know. It'd be interesting to talk to.

[Scott]

Like it's interesting.

[Michaela]

Yeah. Whoa.

[Scott]

Well, the turquoises. We gave you something to think about.

[Michaela]

Yes.

[Scott]

Yeah.

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[Michaela]

Could you be more specific?

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[Michaela]

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[Scott]

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