#1012: January 29, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight – Episode 1012: January 29, 2025

Release Date: February 28, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan (with "Neo" occasionally appearing as another on-mic participant)
Main Theme: Dan and Jordan break down selected highlights from the January 29, 2025, Alex Jones Show, focusing on the RFK Jr. HHS confirmation hearings, Alex Jones's framing, guest appearances (Steven Crowder, Gavin McInnes, Joe Biggs), and the recurring dynamic of unreality and spectacle in far-right alt-media.

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into Alex Jones’s live reactions to the RFK Jr. confirmation hearings for Secretary of HHS under Trump 2.0, unpacks the disinformation and posturing from Alex and his guests, and reflects on the disconnect between substantive policy concerns and the "entertainment" focus of right-wing media. Notable recurring themes include: spectacle vs. governance, anti-vaccine rhetoric, historical revisionism, and the right’s bad-faith takes on the left, public policy, and social progress.

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1. Bright Spots & Banter (00:09–05:19)

• Host check-in: Dan and Jordan share their “bright spots” (personal highlights):
  • Dan/Neo: Discovery of a Jack's Pizza-branded Hot Pocket (“much better than a Hot Pocket”). (01:15)
  • Jordan: Dealing with water leaks in his home; watching an industrial dehumidifier work inspires an anti-chemistry, pro-witchcraft rant. (“I think I've turned into some sort of weird Luddite for physics itself.” – Jordan, 03:37)
• Tonal note: Light, irreverently goofy as usual, grounding the episode before the heavy content.

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2. The RFK, Jr. Confirmation Hearings Coverage (05:19–22:55)

a. Overview & Set-up (05:19–08:00)

• RFK’s HHS confirmation is central; Jones watches live, reacts in real-time.
• Out-of-context Jones drop: "I gobble it." – Alex, on sea moss supplement pitch, lampooned by hosts for its unintentional Orson Welles energy. (07:09)

b. RFK’s (and Alex’s) Deceptions on Financial Conflicts (08:00–11:48)

• Elizabeth Warren questions RFK on profiting (approx. $2.5M) from lawsuits related to vaccine misinformation; hosts clarify RFK’s income as “referral fees,” not legal work. (09:05)
• Jordan: “If you get caught lying, you're kicked out… You have been caught, sir. Goodbye.” (18:18)
• Hosts note the conflict: RFK sells anti-vax merch to his audience while posturing as pro-vaccine for confirmation hearings—everyone knows he’s lying, both sides hope he’s lying to the other.

c. Conspiracy Theorist Label & Social Costs (11:48–13:12)

• RFK claims "conspiracy theorist" is a pejorative to silence dissent; hosts call out that there’s little to no social cost left for the label—many now openly embrace it.

d. Climate Change, Trump, and Policy Reality (13:12–15:15)

• Bernie Sanders presses RFK on climate; RFK dances around, hosts lampoon the "agree to disagree" position on existential threats.
• Jordan (on wishing for more forceful moments): “If we're in a confirmation hearing, I'm shitting in my hand and throwing it at RFK Jr’s face.” (14:25)

e. Anti-Vax Merch vs. "Reasonable" Anti-Vax Rhetoric (15:15–17:49)

• Sanders highlights hypocrisy between RFK's avowed “safe vaccines” stance and his blatantly anti-vax products ("unvaxxed, unafraid" onesies). Hosts expose this as a core deceit.

f. The Failure of Honesty in Politics (17:49–22:55)

• Hosts lament that, in a functional system, being caught in a lie would disqualify a nominee—“if you get caught, you’re done” (Jordan).
• Dan draws a parallel to game shows with honest enforcement (Deal or No Deal Island), contrasting with political impunity.

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3. Spectacle over Substance: Jones as Entertainer (22:55–29:39)

• Rural healthcare discussion: Alex immediately blames “illegal aliens,” ignoring structural issues—a pattern where disfavored groups are always scapegoated. (20:04)
• Jordan’s observation: “You can't be a person who says, ‘Shut up, nerd,’ whenever you hear details about health and human services in rural areas.” (23:08)
• On aspartame: Alex weaves a bizarre, provably false narrative about aspartame coming from E. coli “feces,” conflating it with old methods of making saccharin. (25:07–26:26)

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4. Jones’ Grand Conspiracies: Diet, Injections, and History Abuse (28:59–34:12)

• Jones invokes “diet, injections and injunctions” (Russell & Huxley); hosts painstakingly trace the actual, context-free source, proving Alex’s purposeful misreading.
• Dan: “These are entirely out of context and misrepresented snippets from books that he's never read and he doesn't care to understand at all.” (32:34)

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5. Recurring Dynamic: Conflict, Not Policy (34:12–36:54)

• Jones becomes restless when hearings cover policy for Native communities, confirms he only cares about conflict—the “left attacks.” (35:19–35:44)
• Jordan: “Governance is not an exciting thing. …Elections are exciting… Governance sucks. It's a job.”

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6. Guests Segment Part I: Steven Crowder (36:57–46:08)

a. Crowder’s Take on RFK Hearing (37:44–38:59)

• Crowder lauds RFK’s “honesty” about former friends allegedly turning on him because of Trump. Dan notes it’s more about class and wealth enabling “kid gloves” for Kennedys than content.

b. Recycled Attacks on "The Left" (39:56–44:56)

• Crowder generalizes that the left only wants to “throw more money” at broken institutions, ignores left critique of systemic rot, calls federal school lunches “prisoner food.” (40:24)
• Dan retort: “He believes that the left is full of antifa socialist revolutionaries…but also…just wants to fund the Department of Education.” (41:43)

c. Rural Healthcare Confusion (44:56–46:24)

• Crowder cluelessly advocates returning to Victorian-era doctors making housecalls, ignoring modern needs for complex care (e.g., MRIs in rural hospitals).
• Dan: “…what Steven wants is a little bit less boring. But the end result is going to end up being a lot of people die.” Key segment: (44:56–45:49)

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7. Guests Segment Part II: Gavin McInnes (46:42–88:32)

a. McInnes’s State-of-the-Movement Gloating & Revisionism (47:11–52:44)

• Gavin proclaims he’s “cautiously arrogant” after the “victory”; postures as long-suffering victim of cancel culture. Falsely claims multiple pardoned J6 participants were recently “killed for their politics.” (49:20)
  • Hosts debunk: both cases were tragic but unrelated to J6, calling out McInnes for either lying or parroting nonsense. (51:05)

b. Emptiness of Far-Right Shock Commentary (55:00–63:09)

• Gavin and Alex bemoan liberal “delusion” about Trump’s fate, then (moments later) launch into their own paranoid fearmongering about Trump being assassinated. (55:00–55:43)
• Discuss the New York Magazine "Cruel Kids" cover photo, conspiracy over cropping white/Black attendees, and switch to middle-school leering over a woman in the photo—lampooned by hosts. (56:10–58:44)
  • Gavin: “That chick in the bottom left, she's like a 9.2…If my wife was to die in a plane crash, God forbid, I would obviously go through a period of mourning, at least a year, and then I would maybe be willing to go on a date with her.” (56:45)

c. Social Cost of Bigotry & Slurs: The Triumph of the Bully (59:30–65:53)

• Guests celebrate how “there’s no longer a social cost to being a bigot.”
• Dan notes the article itself observes that the “freedom” to bully is “empowering, though perhaps in the same way that bullying someone does when you're in middle school.” (62:52)
• Dan: “His entire business model is built on the foundation of being a middle school bully.” (61:10)
• Jordan: “Nobody's ever stopped you. You could always say the words…It's just, there's no reason to or not to.” (63:30)

d. Projection, Straw Men, and Reality Games (72:29–76:14)

• Gavin complains about “homework” required to debate “liberals” because their “lies” are so fantastical—hosts point out that Alex and Gavin’s entire media universe is built on unreality and impossible-to-track lore. E.g., “Alex peed on kids’ graves” becomes a straw man (no one ever alleged this seriously, but it’s easier to rebut than his real misdeeds).

e. Unapologetic Homophobia, "Love is Love," and Rationalizing Hate (77:11–80:28)

• Gavin rails against “love is love” and segues to slanders of gay people.
  • Gavin: “…their divorce rate is like 95%. They’re not interested in many cases to rape them and put them in sex rings.”
  • Dan: “So love isn’t love then…That was all a trick. That’s what your position is.” (77:49)
• Hosts dissect the right’s perpetual logic of rationalizing their bigotries and erasing empathy.

f. The Right's Empty Victories & Nazi Signaling (84:54–87:29)

• Gavin celebrates that young, white, mostly Christian “cruel kids” really got Trump elected—calls out their hard work “making the trains run on time,” a Mussolini/Fascist allusion.
• Jordan: “Does not take several decades of expertise in history or magic or really…it takes having seen like a Bruce Willis movie to be like, oh, that's Nazi shit right there.” (87:22)

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8. Jones’s Shameful Grandstanding & Grievance Pile-On

a. Gavin McInnes’s Social Media Ban (88:41–88:54)

• Jones and Gavin whine that he’s still banned on Twitter/X, beg Elon Musk to intervene.

b. Joe Biggs Returns from Prison (89:01–98:59)

• Jones presents ex-Prisoner Proud Boy Joe Biggs as “deep state political prisoner,” describes his experience learning of Trump’s wounding/near assassination in prison (“my only hope, man, I was so scared”). (93:44)
  • Hosts express (tempered) empathy and curiosity about this human moment—while noting Jones literally eats lunch as Biggs shares, showing utter lack of interest for his former colleague’s trauma.

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9. Memorable Quotes & Highlights

• On RFK's conflict of interest:
  “He's been pretty public about wanting to remove liability protections for vaccines, which would represent a huge payday for him personally through this kickback arrangement...” — Neo (10:09)

• On Alex’s anti-immigrant scapegoating:
  “You can see here how Alex just has a model where he sees a problem and without even thinking about it, he reports that the group in the population he doesn't like is to blame for it.” — Neo (20:28)

• On the policy vs. spectacle split:
  “All of the people that want RFK Jr to be in this job don't actually want him to be in the job because they don't know what the job is.” — Jordan (22:01)

• On conspiracy theorist identity:
  “There's no social cost to being a conspiracy theorist anymore.” — Neo (12:56)

• On the embracing of bigotry:
  “There's no higher value or accomplishment that's been reached. No one's life is materially better for it. It's just fine to say slurs in public now.” — Neo (60:11)

• On right-wing alternate realities:
  “The only way they're able to make any points at all is by creating an entirely imaginary world that their arguments get to live in...” — Neo (74:05)

• On Jones's priorities in coverage:
  “He wants to talk about conflict, not any kind of substance. …I'll come back when the left's fighting.” — Neo (21:49)

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10. Timestamps of Key Segments

• Bright Spot: Jack’s Pizza Hot Pocket – 01:15
• RFK hearing / Warren on conflicts – 08:09–11:48
• Bernie vs. RFK / Climate Change – 13:14–15:15
• Sanders exposes RFK's hypocrisy – 15:27–17:49
• Aspartame/E.Coli myth & debunk – 25:07–26:26
• Russell 'diet/injections' misquote – 29:59–32:34
• Steven Crowder rants on left worldview – 39:56–41:43
• Gavin McInnes: Whining about left / Nazi allusions – 84:54–87:29
• Joe Biggs on Trump shooting news in prison – 93:44–97:37

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Conclusion

This episode lays bare the persistent refusal of right-wing alt-media to engage with reality, policy, or empathy. Instead, hosts and guests spin fantasy, misdirect grievances toward favored scapegoats, and mistake mean-spiritedness and spectacle for “culture war victories.” The bitingly funny, sometimes caustic critique by Dan and Jordan exposes the vacuity and cruelty at the core of these media spectacles. As for Jones? He’s “just in it for entertainment and memes”—substance is always the first casualty.

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For more detail, analysis, or context on any discussed topics, episode 1012 is highly recommended listening for its incisive breakdown and darkly comedic skewering of the far-right media universe.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Neo]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebodies.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Neo]

Hello, Alex, the color.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Neo]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm dad.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Neo]

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Neo]

Dan Jordan. Dan, Jordan, quick question for you. What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Neo]

My bright spot today takes us back to the grocery store that shan't be named.

[Dan]

Aha.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

I was walking around the aisles in the freezer department, and I saw something that I thought was cool. Okay, this is a Hot Pocket, all right, but it's made by Jack's Pizza. It's a Jack's Pizza brand. Hot Pocket.

[Jordan]

Okay, now I'm fine, actually. I'm listening.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Jack's Pizza and I have a long history.

[Neo]

Me as well. So I decided to give this thing a whirl. And it's great.

[Jordan]

Really.

[Neo]

You know, it's the crust. There's a water in the.

[Jordan]

Did they do it? Did they get the crust right?

[Neo]

It manages to capture that somehow. And I think it's. I find it much better than a Hot Pocket, of course. And I may try and fill my freezer with them in case they go out of stock.

[Jordan]

The problem with Jack's Pizza has always been, like, you're going to eat it by yourself and it's just too big.

[Neo]

But now you got a Hot Pocket. Amazing version.

[Jordan]

Hero bolt.

[Neo]

Microwavable.

[Jordan]

Incredible. Microwavable. Yeah.

[Neo]

That's the thing about this grocery store is that, like, there's a lot of bullshit and there's a lot of stuff that it's like, you'd never find this at any other store. There's these weird brands, but then there's like, Jack's Pizza randomly pops up here, and it's like, did you steal this from somebody who has this? Yeah. Why is this here?

[Jordan]

Is this from Japan? Does Jack's have a Japanese brand that.

[Neo]

Makes these there's one load of these that'll show up and then they'll be gone.

[Jordan]

Ye.

[Neo]

And I'm like you this offense.

[Jordan]

What truck did these fall off of that you found them in this grocery store?

[Neo]

I. It's. It seems shady, but I'll take them.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'll go for it.

[Neo]

So what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is. I guess. I guess we've. So our upstairs neighbor, he's doing stuff or stuff is being done to his place. And then through the vagaries of time and life, leaks started happening on our own bathroom from the ceiling down onto the no good. You don't want that. So we got some people and it turns out we have insurance thanks to the hoa.

[Neo]

Probably got to get involved.

[Jordan]

No idea. But there's somebody who brought in a humidifier and they brought in like a king size industrial humidifier.

[Neo]

You mean like a dehumidifier?

[Jordan]

Dehumidifier. It's not.

[Neo]

Yeah. It doesn't make it more.

[Jordan]

It's not like trying to make them. If you drip it out the more.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Neo]

It's like sweating it out. Sauna.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly. But. But so it's sucking all of the moisture out of the air and they've got to have it running for a while. And I was just looking at it and it's like, this is good for us because this is going to fix the thing, I guess. But I was watching it turn stuff into literal water droplets. Turn stuff the air. And I was. I was just going like, no, I don't like this. I think I've turned into some sort of weird Luddite for physics itself. Just like, I don't like all this atoms shit where you can turn air into water. No, thank you.

[Neo]

How do you know?

[Jordan]

Thank you.

[Neo]

How do you feel about like snow?

[Jordan]

I'm against it.

[Neo]

Ice.

[Jordan]

I think I'm against.

[Neo]

You're against things taking different shape.

[Jordan]

I don't like chemistry. I think that's my issue here. I prefer witchcraft. I would prefer things work by magic. Then understand that they work by minuscule bullshit.

[Neo]

Well, not. Here's where. Here's where this falls entirely apart for you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

You like cooking?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

And anytime you dissolve like a seasoning or something like that in a soup or anything like that, that is exactly what you're doing. You're changing the form of it.

[Jordan]

So I am the witch?

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh God. I don't like this modern world.

[Neo]

And now you're gonna have to get new cookery. You're gonna have to get, like, a witch pot cookery.

[Jordan]

I feel like later on in my life, I feel like I just saw a vision of me at 70 years old. Everything is made out of wood. And just like, don't bring your science here. That's what I feel like is happening to me. I'm slowly headed that.

[Neo]

Because of water vapor.

[Jordan]

Because of water vapor. That's what's going on. Yep.

[Neo]

Congratulations.

[Jordan]

It's going to be a better bathroom. I think that's the point I was trying to make.

[Neo]

That's the win at the end of the day.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about January 29, 2025, as we continue the progression of Alex's coverage of the beginning of Trump 2.0.

[Jordan]

Time moves forward inerringly.

[Neo]

Yes. So we'll get down to business on this. This is the day that RFK has his hearing to be confirmed.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

And so that's fun.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Neo]

So first, Mihohen ibis. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

Thank you. Next. It finally happened. Got up to pee in the middle of the night and God said it was 2:47. I said back, no, bitch, it's 2:19. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

Thank you. And my phone number is one digit from Alex's old control room phone number. And I used to get voicemails for people calling into Alex's show. In 2017, I got a message about Shadow Brokers and QAnon. And that's when I started listening to Knowledge Fight. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Neo]

That's good buzz marketing, that is. We got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to Sam from occupied Austin is looking for allies in the fight against the weather. Thank you so much. You are now technocrat.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

4 stars.

[Neo]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Dan]

Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Neo]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes, thank you very much.

[Neo]

So here, before we get into the episode is a little bit of an out of context drop from today's show.

[Dan]

You want the ultimate cmos. Iris. Cmos. And that's just one concentrated ingredient. It just your cells gobble it up. What it does is insane. I'm on it right now. I gobble it.

[Neo]

I gobble it. I actually just wanted to cut the I gobble it part.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Because I think that's it's delivered really funny.

[Jordan]

It is amazing.

[Neo]

But I felt like it deserved a little bit more of the line reading.

[Jordan]

I like. I, I mean it was a delight, every aspect of it. I wish there were more vaguely threatening ads on all platforms.

[Neo]

Well, I texted you the other day that I was watching episodes of the Critic.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neo]

I found some episodes of the Critic online. I'm like, I can't not watch.

[Jordan]

Can't not watch them.

[Neo]

And I'm sure I've discussed rediscovering the Critic at some point over the course of this podcast, but I've done it again four times.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Still incredibly funny. But Alex's read there was very much like the Orson Welles.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Green penis.

[Neo]

I now take you to the living will. It's very. He has a lot of that energy.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neo]

Yeah. So this episode starts with Alex a bit in the middle of watching the. The RFK hearings.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

And so Elizabeth Warren is asking some questions and this is where we begin our journey.

[Dan]

They are wrecking the globalists.

[Neo]

Had a single nominee come through who's.

[Dan]

Made two and a half million dollars off suing one of the.

[Neo]

And plans to keep getting a take of everything.

[Dan]

Well, they are so that's what lawyers do. They are so scared.

[Neo]

Documentation of every other nominees.

[Dan]

That's the real takeaway here. I've been watching it this morning on Harrison covered it live nominee, their financial interest on the American Journal. I mean they are scared. They are lying. They know the great awakening share.

[Jordan]

That's why he has even I think and I don't know that I want.

[Dan]

To ask him to get into it.

[Jordan]

But he has listed his assets and has gone through a discussion of the.

[Neo]

Responsibilities under the our ethics.

[Dan]

What about Fauci? He keeps the money he makes secret off owning part of the vaccines the government pushes.

[Neo]

So this episode starts with Alex in the middle of watching the RFK confirmation hearings. He's yelling about how much he doesn't like Elizabeth Warren. And so Warren was asking a question about how RFK has profited off of spreading vaccine misinformation and lawsuits against the very Agencies he would end up being in charge of if he's confirmed and how. That's a pretty clear conflict of interest. Alex says that making $2.5 million suing these agencies is just what lawyers do. That's what RFK was doing, but that's not what RFK did. He made this money on referral fees, essentially serving as a spokesperson who would direct people to a law firm called Weisner Baum, who would then sue these agencies, and then RFK would get a cut.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Neo]

Warren was pointing out that in his ethics agreement, RFK had said that he was going to continue this arrangement for referral fees.

[Jordan]

Is that a job?

[Neo]

I guess so, but it's kind of like someone holding a sign outside of a car wash, I guess.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, yeah, yeah, sure.

[Neo]

It seems like something he could really easily exploit within his government position.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

He's been pretty public about wanting to remove liability protections for vaccines, which would represent a huge payday for him personally through this kickback arrangement of finders fees for lawsuits.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Neo]

In order for Alex to present the people that he likes in a good light, he can't even let the basic details of what they're up to or have been up to be discussed. He has to create this like lawyers do. Crazy.

[Jordan]

I appreciate. I appreciate what Elizabeth Warren thinks she's trying to do here, but it is. It is more ridiculous to try and be serious if you're asking Homer Simpson a question in real life, like, Homer Simpson, how could you be in front of this courtroom? Like, you're the one who's ridiculous here, right? Elizabeth, come on.

[Dan]

Now.

[Neo]

If I were. If I were in this confirmation hearing, I would probably hope someone else takes a more serious tact. And I would just be like, tell me about that bear.

[Jordan]

I. I can't. How can you not be like, so you cut a bears, you killed a bear and then put it. Did you think anybody was gonna catch you?

[Neo]

And where is the joke?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

That's what I want to get into.

[Jordan]

What were you on?

[Neo]

I get it was a prank. Of course I get it. It's funny.

[Jordan]

Who among us hasn't had the idea?

[Neo]

Let's talk about why is this funny? Really? Just get into it.

[Jordan]

And if I'm him, I'm showing up wearing clown shoes, right? Like, and I'm putting them up on the desk is like, yes. What other questions do you have for me? Change places.

[Neo]

Yeah. Do you really think anything I say is going to affect what are we doing here?

[Jordan]

What are we doing here, children?

[Neo]

So RFK gets asked if he is a conspiracy theorist.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neo]

In this clip, I got a real quick question for you.

[Jordan]

Are you a conspiracy theorist?

[Dan]

That is a pejorative, Senator. That's applied to me mainly to keep me from asking difficult questions. Yeah, they invented it when they killed his dad and uncle. That's declassified. The CIA created it for the Kennedys so you wouldn't ask questions about them being murdered.

[Neo]

That's not true. But I just, like, the, like, conspiracy theorist label is weaponized against people who ask tough questions. No, it's not.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

You're a dipshit.

[Jordan]

Nope. No. I think it's actually very interesting that we've all kind of agreed now at the end of the day, like, it's not even that. As much of a pejorative as we. As you'd like. Now people are openly like, yeah, of course I'm a conspiracy theorist. Okay.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I sound crazy.

[Neo]

Yeah. I think descriptive labels have largely lost a lot of their meaning and a lot of their power. Like, people, you know, who cares? There's no. There's no social cost to being a conspiracy theorist anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Because.

[Jordan]

No, it.

[Neo]

Your beliefs don't have to be rational. There's no. You don't lose anything for that.

[Jordan]

Totally. If anything, it's like, oh, I've accepted. Accepted that I'm a conspiracy theorist. So now I just only go to these YouTube videos now. Like, it's almost a relief.

[Neo]

So Bernie Sanders.

[Jordan]

Yeah, let's hear this.

[Neo]

And he has some questions.

[Jordan]

Let's hear this shit.

[Neo]

So he asks about whether or not RFK believes that climate change is a hoax.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Neo]

Much like Trump does.

[Jordan]

Let's do it.

[Dan]

I happen to believe that climate change is real, it's an existential threat, and it is a health care issue. Donald Trump thinks that it is a hoax. Yeah. When they cook up a virus, they go, it came out of the jungle because it's warming. No, they made it in a lab. Climate change a hoax. The third world starving to death because you had lockdowns for years. President Trump and I, from the beginning, from our first meeting, agreed to disagree on that issue. I believe climate change is existential. My job is to make Americans healthy again.

[Jordan]

You believe that.

[Neo]

You disagree with Trump?

[Dan]

You don't think climate change is a hoax is what I'm hearing. My job here is I'll just ask you, not a trick question. He's not going to be over the Department of Energy. Okay. You disagree with the president on that? I answered your question.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

Okay. So do you believe in reality? I do but he doesn't. But I work for him. And we're just going to agree to disagree on this.

[Jordan]

What you're going to do.

[Neo]

Right? That's bad.

[Jordan]

I. If I could, if I could quantum leap into anybody right now, it would be Bernie Sanders. Just. And I would go absolutely apeshit on it. Just scream and I told you so. I would. If. If we're in a confirmation hearing, I'm shitting in my hand and throwing it at RFK jr's face.

[Neo]

Like Bernie is not. Is not super light on him. But I don't think it's throwing poo level.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Neo]

I think there's something funny about Alex being like he's not going to be the Secretary of Energy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, great.

[Neo]

The only place where climate's relevant. How does that work exactly? What do you think the Department of Energy does? Alex?

[Jordan]

Definitely not health. There's no noted correlation between the weather and people's health. That's not possible.

[Neo]

So Alex really needs to interrupt because Bernie does make some points and Alex is like, oh yeah, he's not the Secretary of Energy or whatever. It gets to a head where Alex is like in crisis.

[Dan]

I think the gist of what you were trying to say today is you're really pro vaccine. You want to ask questions.

[Jordan]

You have started a group called the Children's Health Defense.

[Dan]

He wants safe vaccines.

[Jordan]

Originator.

[Dan]

Right now it's not even a vaccine. They changed the definition four years ago.

[Neo]

What's called onesies.

[Jordan]

These are little things, clothing for babies. One of them is dialed.

[Neo]

Unfaxed, unafraid.

[Dan]

Next one.

[Jordan]

Next one is no vax.

[Dan]

No problem. At least give us five. Now they give us 60 or 70 and you say full of cancer viruses. They're contaminated on purpose, is making money. But SV40 cancer virus in all the COVID shots on record. Public type it in. Major studies fundamental. They put it in there. Has nothing to do with the manufacturing.

[Neo]

You can see Alex's instincts really shine here. Like this is a line of questioning that he cannot engage with at all and he needs to distract away from it as much as possible. Bernie is asking RFK a question that reveals his primary deception in a respectable setting like a confirmation hearing. He'll say that he's a guy who's in favor of vaccines and he just has some hard questions to ask because he wants to make things better. But in reality, he's selling explicitly anti vaccine merch to his audience. Essentially, Bernie's question reveals how RFK wants to have his cake and eat it too. And it should make People think that maybe he's a liar. RFK knows two things. One, his strident anti vaccine arguments are flimsy, debunked and would be embarrassing to try to defend in a formal setting like this confirmation hearing. Two, no one is buying merch that says, I support vaccines, but I have some questions about the medical establishment. In order to profit from the audience, he needs to convey one message. Then he needs to moderate and distort that message in order to make himself acceptable to be close to power. Everybody knows he's lying, but both sides are betting that they're lying in their favor. The people in the confirmation hearing are betting that he's lying to his gullible audience to make money and won't really be an anti vaccine zealot if he's given power. The people in the audience are betting that he's actually an anti vaccine zealot, but he needs to lie to the folks in the hearing in order to be confirmed. It's a grim state of affairs and it's unacceptable.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is really interesting and it kind of tells you like from the jump, how this stuff was, was designed whenever it does feel like a very simple rule to have in like a governing body would be like, if you get caught lying, you're kicked out. You know, like, he got caught. You know, like sometimes you lie and you're like, ah, I didn't catch him. You know, I didn't quite get there. Reasonable doubt, that kind of shit. He can hide behind this stuff. He sells a shirt that says I hate vaccines. No, no.

[Neo]

A onesie for baby.

[Jordan]

Right? Exactly, exactly. It couldn't get. This is a signed piece of paper saying I hate vaccines and I would try and destroy them at any time. Do you think this counts? You have been caught, sir. Goodbye.

[Neo]

Yeah, you're comically corrupt and you put a dead bear in the park.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Neo]

Get out.

[Jordan]

It's just an automatic rule. It has no party, it has no nothing. It just has. You got caught lying, buddy. You can't be here.

[Neo]

If, if, if we had a little bit of respect for our own government, then that would happen.

[Jordan]

I'm not even against it. There's a certain amount of gamesmanship that I would be fine with. See how much lying you could get away with. But if you get caught, you get caught. You're done.

[Neo]

On our last episode of the Cat. Yeah, I talked a little bit about watching Deal or no Deal Island.

[Jordan]

Yes, actually, a little bit.

[Neo]

Your rant reminded me of, of something on that. Yeah, it's one of the only reality TV game show type things that I've ever seen where they care if you cheat.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

There was a time where Boston Rob tried to peek over at someone else's board for the solution to something he couldn't figure out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And he got fucked by it. They were like, no, no, no. Stop the game. Stop the game. You cheated.

[Jordan]

That's great.

[Neo]

That happens all the time on like on Survivor or the Challenge should be cheating. People knock over their puzzles once they're finished, so you can't cheat off them.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Neo]

It's. It's just baked in that everyone cheats. Totally not on dealer no deal island.

[Jordan]

Dealer no deal island is somehow less corrupt than Congress.

[Neo]

Yeah. So Marsha Blackburn comes up and has a question and Alex gets bored. Rural health care is very important to me and the people of Tennessee. 78 of our 95 counties are rural counties.

[Dan]

Now, over the last few years, we've.

[Neo]

Seen hospital closures, so we have focused on access.

[Dan]

Illegal aliens. Rural areas weighing it all down.

[Neo]

Health agenda, which on record.

[Dan]

That's number one thing. Bankrupting small hospitals. Private ones and little ones.

[Neo]

Access points. It focuses on work shortages.

[Dan]

And also Senator Warner and I have together focused on. We'll go back to this when the left attacks.

[Neo]

Yeah, we just want to see some fights. I don't really care about this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

You can see here how Alex just has a model where he sees a problem and without even thinking about it, he. He reports that the group in the population he doesn't like is to blame for it. And it's been proven. It's all proven. Look it up.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

So in the real world, rural healthcare is a very complicated thing, and it always has been. For one thing, the population density in rural areas is much lower. So a hospital in a particular area has a much smaller number. Number of potential patients to serve. This also means that hospitals will be more distant from each other and from the people who need to get to them. Because having close, easily accessible hospitals for everyone just is financially unsustainable. There are a lot of obvious challenges that providing healthcare in more rural areas presents, and some more complex ones, like how services are just more costly in rural hospitals. So the same payouts from insurance companies actually represent a lower payment for them proportional to the cost of care. That's something that is really hard to solve. Yeah, I've read a little bit about this, and it seems like one of the main answers to this would just be public investment in rural healthcare. I've seen no one who takes this question seriously blame Immigrants for hospitals closing. But that's, you know, more or less just an expression of Alex's racism. Alex makes it a little too obvious, too, that he's just in this for entertainment. And memes, though, with the whole we'll check in when the left attacks thing.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Neo]

He wants to talk about conflict, not any kind of substance. That they're like, these are problems that we would really like the director of the HHS to help solve. Yeah, no, I'll come back when the left's fighting.

[Jordan]

I would be. I would be much more comfortable, like, if I'm. If I'm the right wing. Right. And I. I'm. I'm a person who's trying to use the demagoguery, of course, but also I am familiar with how to write legislation and, like, minutia and that kind of stuff. I figure we have two different hearings, right? We have the TV hearing where everybody's like, ah, immigrants did it. And then we have the adult hearing. So Alex doesn't get to see the adult hearing because he's just gonna get bored. Like, all of the people that want RFK Jr to be in this job don't actually want him to be in the job because they don't know what the job is. Right. Like, we're listening to what the job is, and Everybody's who wants RFK Jr to be there is, like, boring next show. You know, it's a difficult job made up of weird shit.

[Neo]

Yeah. And. And. And tons of variables that you don't even think about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

They live in the. They're the things that only. Only people who are in the. In the field really ever have to face or confront. And Alex is just. It's bored.

[Jordan]

Another rule. You can't be a person who says, shut up, nerd, whenever you hear details about health and human services in rural areas.

[Neo]

That would be good.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So Alex talks a little bit about aspartame here because there's a little bit of like, hey, isn't it. Isn't it strange that, you know, you're all about the chemicals and the food and all this stuff, and then Trump loves McDonald's so much.

[Jordan]

Is a good point.

[Neo]

It's strange. It's. RFK has to deal with that.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

And it sends Alex on a nonsense rant.

[Dan]

Let's go ahead and go to clip 22 and 20. These are important.

[Neo]

Real quick. He's watching it live, and then when he gets bored, he's going to clips.

[Jordan]

Amazing.

[Neo]

So that's why he's. He's going to See how we live. Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't want to take food away from anybody. If you like a cheeseburger, a McDonald's cheeseburger, Diet Coke, which my boss loves, you should be able to get them. If you want to eat Hostess Twinkies, you should be able to do that. But you should know what the impacts are on your family and on your health. That's right. He exposed that all over the world. Red dye number three, because it's a seriously toxic carcinogen. It has an amphetamine effect. Anybody that's been parents, you go, what was in that? When your kid gets, you know, Fruit Loops or something, and it's highly toxic and has an amphetamine effect. I mean, I knew that when I was a kid, my dad would not let me. He would look at the back of something, oh, that's got red dye 5 or 3, they all do the same thing, comes from petroleum. And it's a free country if you're an adult, want to eat that stuff, but we're going to make sure it's labeled and stuff that's toxic is going to be removed. So he's dead on there. And you know, Trump is not a drug user or drinks, but he is well known to be a fast food goblin and he likes it.

[Jordan]

People be goblin.

[Dan]

That's what Trump does. He likes Diet Coke. So does Elon Musk. Diet Coke is highly addictive. It is the chemical secretions, aspartame of a toxic feces of an E. Coli genetically engineered bacteria that was created, the first one ever deployed in the 70s to eat oil residue on giant oil containment facilities.

[Jordan]

Sounds true to me.

[Dan]

And they found that the bacteria secreted a very sweet chemical that's basically concentrated wood alcohol, slash formaldehyde.

[Jordan]

Why wouldn't I believe you?

[Dan]

At 87 degrees, it breaks down into that. And so in your stomach it breaks down and yeah, wood alcohol gets you high, has an amphetamine effect, also making you go blind.

[Neo]

So that's an interesting story that Alex has about aspartame being E. Coli secretions, but that's not, that's not true.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

In 1965, a researcher named James Schlatter was working on compounds that could be made into anti ulcer drugs. He discovered aspartame by accident when he got some on his finger and he licked it off, which is an insane thing for him to do. And he, I mean, you, you probably should not have. It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Hey, you found aspartame. What are you going to do?

[Neo]

He noticed that it was Sweet and saw the potential in how sweet it was, along with having zero calories. Alex might be combining this with the discovery of saccharin, which was found in 1879. Constantine Fahlberg was working on things that you could do with coal tar derivatives and noticed that one of these things was really sweet. I think the same way, by, like, licking his hand. It turned out to be benzoic sulfamide, which brought us saccharin. It is true that part about the breakdown process in your body with aspartame that it becomes a tiny little bit of methanol or wood alcohol. This is the case with, like, some fresh fruits and vegetables, though, too. Like, they'll break down into methanol in your gut. It's not the same thing as drinking wood alcohol. Methanol itself in some circumstances breaks down into formaldehyde. But this is a small concern with drinking way too much stuff that contains aspartame. But Alex is sensational and sensationalizing things a little bit here because I think he wants to be interesting.

[Jordan]

And that does sound like he wants to be interesting.

[Neo]

Yeah, it's working.

[Jordan]

I wonder if it has. So, Right. So when we watch TV shows that are set in the 1800s, everybody washes their hair. You know, we just all accept that that's not what they actually look like. It's a TV show. But, like, even in my own conception, I have a hard time putting together whether or not I think maybe everybody has, like, at least one or two goiters at all times, or there's just like pus filled sacks and armpits. Like, people were covered in diseases at all times. Right. Or maybe they were fine. I have no idea. But essentially, why wouldn't you lick shit off your head? You know what I'm saying? You've got a. You've got practically a second twin growing out of your neck. And a doctor was like, I'll give you a haircut. You know, like, what are you going to do?

[Neo]

Well, I think obviously there's a big gap between the saccharine in 1879 and 1965. There's a little bit with the.

[Jordan]

So fewer goiters in 1965 standards might.

[Neo]

Be a little bit different in terms of licking your hand in the lab.

[Jordan]

Fair.

[Neo]

But I still think even then, like, you don't know what this does. Don't lick that.

[Jordan]

I mean, hey, don't ask me.

[Neo]

So rfk, one of his big kind of angles is that everything is about all of these toxins and all this stuff, and it's causing Chronic disease. And all of us in the medical. All you folk in the medical world, you're trying to solve these medical problems. And it's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic.

[Jordan]

You're not focusing on the four humors.

[Neo]

Right.

[Jordan]

We have an imbalance of bile and the green bile and the black bile. Everybody knows this.

[Neo]

Bingo.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So he discusses that a little bit.

[Dan]

The average person who died from COVID American had 3.8 chronic diseases. That's right. This is an existential threat economically, to our military or health, to our sense of design to do that. And it is a priority for President Trump. And that's why he asked me around the agency. And if I'm privileged to be confirmed, that's exactly what I'll do. You're rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. And that's what the globalists said. Bertrand Russell and others back in the 40s, they said, we're going to diet injections and injunctions. We'll make a rebellion by the proletariat, meaning the common people and communist parlance as futile as sheep rebelling against the practice of eating mutton, which is another name for sheep. Diet injections and injunctions. And Aldous Huxley, his brother ran the UN UNESCO Global Eugenics Society, then changed name the Transhumanist society wrote in 61 Brave New World Revisited non fiction book, he said, no, Brave New World that I wrote, he said IN31 was based on our plan to poison you and dumb you down so that you would never know what hit you.

[Neo]

Aldous Huxley didn't say that. In Brave New World Revisited, Alex has played manipulatively edited clips from a speech that Huxley gave discussing his reflections on Brave New World. And that's the basis for this claim here, which is false. Bertrand Russell did not say that the plan was to make the public pacified by diet injections and injunctions. This is something that Alex is lying about from Russell's book, the Impact of Science on Society. In the book, he's discussing the serious danger that exists from a combination of a dictatorship and a scientifically advanced society. From the text, Scientific societies are as yet in their infancy. It may be worthwhile to spend a few moments in speculating as to possible future developments of those that are oligarchies. It is to be expected that advances in psychology and physiology will give governments much more control over individual mentality than they now have, even in totalitarian countries. Fitch laid it down that education should aim to destroy free will so that after pupils had left school, they shall be incapable throughout the rest of their lives of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished.

[Jordan]

Makes sense.

[Neo]

But in his day, this was an unattainable ideal. What he regarded as the best system in existence produced Karl Marx. In future, such failures are not likely to occur where there is dictatorship. Diet, injections and injunctions will combine from an early age to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable. And any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible. Even if all are miserable, all will believe themselves happy because the government will tell them they are. So Russell goes on to suggest that such a society would eventually sterilize all but 5% of the males and 30% of the females who would be required to spend their lives reproducing. Sure, the genetic divide between the elites and the commoners would expand until they were essentially two separate species. And the idea of revolt among the commoners would, quote, become as unthinkable as an organized insurrection of sheep against the practice of eating mutton. This is all very bad for Russell, though. He's saying this is a bad thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And he says, quote, to prevent these scientific horrors, democracy is necessary but not sufficient. There must also be that kind of respect on for the individual that inspired the doctrine of the rights of man. So these are the kinds of data points that Alex has behind the arguments that he's making. These are entirely out of context and misrepresented snippets from books that he's never read and he doesn't care to understand at all. Yeah, but that's fine. He remembers the words diet, injections and injunctions. He dazzled people with pretending that he knows anything, you know, I mean, Fucking dick.

[Jordan]

It does help. The. The reason that we like quotes is because the people who make them have a sense of a phrase, you know, that's a very catchable. It gets caught in your mind. Diet, injunctions, injections. I like it. Yeah, sure. Russell had something going there. You should really keep writing. Yeah, I think he's got a chance.

[Neo]

Yeah. He could get published.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Neo]

I just. I find this stuff such trash. Like, I get it. You got to appeal to some things. And Aldous Huxley is famous, Bertrand Russell's famous. You've got to try and protect that, you know, something. And. And their plans revealed here. But it's just such trash.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is. Like, I have to. It's not just enough for me to know these people. I have to prove to you how smart I am, because I truly understand them. And the only way to explain that to you is to use your dumb people talk. You know, that's. That's very much like mutton. That's another word for sheep.

[Neo]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, thank you. You're welcome. I'm at my TED Talk.

[Neo]

Me and Rogan know that because of the menus at the rich places that we go and dine. But not you, not you. Commoners, plebes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So, I mean, look, all Alex wants to do is watch people fight. And he wants to see people fight with Robert Kennedy. And he's so bored when that's not happening.

[Dan]

It's a damn fact. What we're talking about here. They're killing us. It's on purpose. Let's go back to the live hearing, see what's happening now. I spent 20% of my career working on Native issues. My family's been deeply involved with them. My family, father and uncle were big critics of the Indian Health Service, failure to deliver good health results or health care on the reservations. I'm going to bring a native and for the first time in history into my central office that all the major decisions. All right, we've got a lot of exchanges where this idiot Democrat Senator witch sea hag is just flipping out on Kennedy.

[Neo]

So bored by the idea that Kennedy has sensitivity to Native issues.

[Jordan]

Governance is not an exciting thing. No, no. Elections are exciting because you're like, ah, we're going to do something. And you can imagine all the good things that are happening. Governance sucks. It's a job.

[Neo]

I'm not going to entirely ignore the concerns of Native communities. Fuck this. I want to go watch this witch.

[Jordan]

Yell that, I mean, honestly would like.

[Neo]

Great.

[Jordan]

The idea is, and I feel stupid for saying this, but the idea is if your team wins the election, then you are excited about the things they're going to do. And if they say something like, oh, we're going to help Indians, you cheer, you know, you're in the cheering section, Right.

[Neo]

Well, I think they're more excited, like. And you could get this from Alex in the way he's covering this now. He's excited about the things that the people he's put into power are going to do that will anger other people. Yeah, he wants to elicit that reaction in the same way that he, you know, relished watching the Hillary people cry. You know, like, he wants that and he wants these people in the, in the confirmation hearing to be like, what the fuck he wants them to be. He wants to see that reaction.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yep.

[Neo]

It's just chaos.

[Jordan]

I can't believe I got owned by the right.

[Neo]

Ah, it's not interesting to hear RFK talking about something that Alex doesn't give a fuck about.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that actually is a good thing.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So Stephen Crowder shows up.

[Jordan]

Why?

[Neo]

Analysis.

[Jordan]

Oh, not. Not at the hearing. No.

[Neo]

Alex needs his expert take.

[Jordan]

Like, what the fuck is he doing there?

[Neo]

No, no.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay.

[Neo]

He's on. On air with Alex.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I really wanted to get Steven Crowder to pop in today. He's a busy guy. Good friend of mine, fellow Texan, on just nine days in. What he just thinks about Trump, what his report card, what he thinks is coming next. And people need to know. This is not like, oh, Republicans got in. This is. This is a global political realignment. Things just get crazier from here on out. This is not where the election comes and things settle down. You see it. This is a real struggle. Stephen, great to have you on, my friend. Wow. What is your take on the moment we're in. In history right now?

[Neo]

Well, first off, thank you so much, and I'm sorry I am a couple minutes late because our. Our clock is a little off. That's my fault. I've been watching RFK today, and I tell you what. You know, I'm someone who's not completely sold on him, but this is a big deal. What I will say is, and I want to get into all of it, but he is the first person I've ever seen willingly give his flash of genius moment. What I mean by that is he told everyone there at that hearing, he said, you know what? You all used to be my friends, and now anything that I say, if Donald Trump supports it, you have to. You have to. You have to denigrate it. He was saying, hey, you know what? You're wondering where I've had a change of heart. And he provided that willingly. Boy, I will tell you, that bought a lot of that. Bought a lot of empathy for me. And you know what? He's sitting there asking questions. This is really important right now. Yeah. So that moment that Steven Crowder is describing is actually RFK Jr not being able to understand that everyone used to. To just treat him with kid gloves because he was super rich and a Kennedy. It wasn't that everyone used to like what he had to say, and they agreed with him. And now that he's with Trump, they all don't like him. It's just that he was part of the super rich club before, so the power structures kind of ignored his insanity. People were generally humoring rfk, and now we see what the danger in that is. This whole you all used to be my friends. Like, no, they were rich.

[Jordan]

There's just. It's just crazy because, like, if you've ever read history, there is just no way of knowing that indulging a super rich dilettante throughout their entire life could someday backfire on you. Especially if they're in a sort of aristocracy, perhaps even a rulership position. It was. How could anyone have seen this coming?

[Neo]

I'd like to try and imagine someone who wasn't Robert F. Kennedy doing the things that he does, like not being a Kennedy.

[Jordan]

Like. Like leaving a dead bear in Central Park.

[Neo]

As a prank.

[Jordan]

As a prank.

[Neo]

Mm.

[Jordan]

I. I don't know. How weird. I don't know how the country hasn't stopped to deal with that.

[Neo]

Yeah, we should. We should figure some stuff.

[Jordan]

Like, we at least had a couple of weeks for 9 11.

[Neo]

So Crowder is on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And he has some thoughts about how the left operates.

[Dan]

Oh, they're awful.

[Neo]

Yeah. They just want to give money to institutions. The worldview of the left is very clear. Throw more money at the same exact structures that exist because that's more compassionate. Let's look at this public Department of Education. How many trillions. Worse results. Let's look at Medicare, Medicaid. How much more money, Worse results. Let's look at the doj. Let's look at our military. More money, worse results.

[Dan]

They.

[Neo]

However, their worldview, their dogma precludes them from. From revolutionizing, innovating. It's. No, no more money will fix the problem. Plus, we need to give them more money because it's compassion. Of course. It's ill gotten gay.

[Dan]

Exactly. Look at the process. They take our money and then say, oh, school lunches are for poor kids, and now it's for everybody. You're domesticated. That's not free stuff. They're taking control of us. We're prisoners in a prison. You get free food because you're a prisoner, Stephen.

[Neo]

Right, Exactly. That's. That's their worldview. Some people might say that you also get your meals paid for when you go on a cruise, because it's part of the package. Debatably. School lunches might be seen as part of the package we pay for that's provided to children. And maybe you get free meals Isn't the defining characteristic of a prison. This might be superficial analysis. That means nothing. As for Stephen's take on the worldview of the left, I think he's Stupid. For one thing, he believes that the left is full of antifa socialist revolutionaries who want to bring in world communism. So that doesn't really seem like the business as usual throwing more money at the Department of Education. Yeah, this is stupid. He's not. He's saying that his enemy is simultaneously just wants to fund the Department of Education and be compassionate, but at the same time there are fucking revolutionaries who are gonna overthrow civilization and turn everything into Chaz.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Neo]

What is it?

[Jordan]

It is. It is so very frustrating to hear like this kind of bullshit because it's like, yes, obviously, the Department of Education, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Whatever you want to say is this sucks, but like, if you wanted to solve the problems that you are bringing up, right. Then let's. Then I would have to tear apart each individual strand. And to solve that problem, we would fundamentally remake everything. You know, like, there's no way to do that without tearing everything apart and building it back up. And the person who would get in our way the most is you fucks. Yeah, you know?

[Neo]

Yeah, he'll never build anything back up.

[Jordan]

The reason that we are here is to compromise with you idiots to try and get something done. Yep, that's the idea.

[Neo]

And we now see, I don't think that that's gonna work.

[Jordan]

No. Nope. Nope.

[Neo]

So Steven stupid, just straight up. I don't know any other way around it that I can't look at him the same after the deposition.

[Jordan]

Fucking dumb.

[Neo]

Really dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's dumb.

[Neo]

I was just talking about this today, and this is the fundamental worldview difference. They say, oh, we need to fix. There are some people who are more than 30 miles away from a hospital. Let's change the word hospital. We're talking about in network and HMO and insurance. How about we change the word hospital to health care practitioner? Do you realize that all throughout human history you had doctors who would go to your house and we mock it now, but wouldn't that be better than nothing? Wouldn't it be better to give people choice so that they can actually have a direct relationship with their doctor? You don't think that in these small towns where they can't go to a giant super hospital, there's no. No healthcare practitioner there who'd be willing to help people? Sure he is, but he's not a network or, my God, he might not be approved by Medicare and Medicaid. Steven just doesn't fundamentally understand the issues that the adults are discussing about things like rural access to healthcare. The in network stuff is a side issue. But that could be entirely solved by single payer healthcare. So if Steven wants to endorse Medicare for all, he's welcome to. As long as private insurance is a primary driver of coverage you're going to have in network and out of network issues. It's a byproduct of the combination of the market and health care. It's just inevitable business. The larger issue that Stephen is entirely ignoring is that a lot of these folks in rural areas do need a hospital. They don't need a guy to come over and hit their knee with a little mallet. They need an mri. Some kind of practitioner who comes and makes house calls is great and you can probably find some of that if you want. But it's not feasible for someone to just bring an MRI over to your house. That needs to exist at a hospital and technicians need to exist to operate and maintain it it with smaller pools of potential patients. It's far more costly for a hospital in a rural area to provide that kind of care that a lot of people need. Folks like Steven love to pretend that the left and the globalists, they all hate flyover country, but they really could not care any less about the issues that these communities face in terms of accessing care. Debating providing more money for Medicare payments or providing grants to rural hospitals to restructure their payment models is super boring. But it would help. What Steven wants is a little bit less boring. But the end result is going to end up being like a lot of people die.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

You're going to be unable to help a lot of people and then maybe some. You'll have some like new app where someone brings you soup and you call it health care or something like. That'll be your new market driven solution.

[Jordan]

I'm going to ask you a question because I think, I think you did see it. I think you saw exactly what I saw. Whenever he tried to explain his vision of health care. You saw a guy wearing an overcoat with a fedora where. With the black bag. Right? The like weirdly shaped black bag that has all of his doctors tinchers 100%.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's what you said. That's in his mind what a doctor does.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Still I do.

[Neo]

Snake oil salespeople have it so bad. Like why are they so maligned?

[Jordan]

I People have the choice to inject themselves with cement. Shouldn't people have the choice?

[Neo]

Isn't it better than nothing?

[Jordan]

Why would you deny people the right to cut their own leg off?

[Neo]

I think that the issue that I have with Steven is literally no respect Like, Yeah. I really just don't think he's even dealing with or aware of the arguments that he's trying to make.

[Jordan]

No, I don't.

[Neo]

He takes himself a bit more seriously, I think, than Alex. And that is where it falls apart, because Alex is just talking about, like, E. Coli, shitting out sugar and stuff. Steven's trying to be like, let's talk actual policy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Alex. Alex cannot not know. He's a font of bullshit.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Steven Crowder can't know about himself because he's too dumb. He's too dumb to understand what it is he's doing.

[Neo]

I'm afraid that may be the case.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I find him uninteresting.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Yeah. But we have another guest.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

I was shocked that this fellow was coming on.

[Dan]

All right, there he is, the trailblazer, the game changer, the man that's watched at least 10 major political movements. Gavin McGinnis. They're scared of him. We're two of the most banned men in the world, totally vindicated. And without Gavin, I can tell you right now, we would not be seeing the giant successes we're having. So he is a real OG in the culture wars. We're going to him in a moment.

[Neo]

There's a lot of stuff happening in the world, and we're talking to Steven crowder and Gavin McGinnis. Wild.

[Jordan]

Sometimes I really wish that life would provide some closure in the form of, like, the credit scene for Animal House, where it's just like, a title card, and it's like, Gavin McGinnis was never seen from a gun. That's all. I don't care where, I don't care what, I don't care. Just never seen from a gun.

[Neo]

Yeah. If he's perfectly happy living in some, like, suburb or whatever, fantastic. Care.

[Jordan]

Good for you.

[Neo]

I don't need him to be in pain for the rest of his life. Shut the up.

[Jordan]

I hope he's enjoying mowing his lawn. That's fine. Never seen from again, please.

[Neo]

Woof. But instead, here he is.

[Jordan]

Here we go.

[Neo]

Here he is. The game changer.

[Jordan]

Fine.

[Neo]

Yeah. So here. Here he is.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I've been watching a lot of the podcast you've been doing lately. I always watch you, but I've been watching you binging. And you just make so many great points.

[Jordan]

How.

[Dan]

How would you quantify where we are right now? Your report card on trump. And then where you think things are going and what you think the globalists are going to do now?

[Gavin McGinnis]

Well, I'm. I'm cautiously arrogant. I'M reluctantly gloating right now because we've been through this before. If you recall 2017, we did have six months of paradise. We used to joke that we got so sick of winning, we were getting winning aids. And then the cancel cultures kicked in. Trump Derangement syndrome went nuts and we had a bad like last three years. Bolsonaro revolutionized Brazil, rescued it from the edge of the abyss. And then they got into Silva, Socialists stole the election and Brazil's a dump again. So we need a wall. I love that he's arresting all these illegals. I love this hearing. It looks it looks more like a a fan convention. I'm surprised he's not signing eight by tens. But you know it we there's still a lot of J6ers in jail. We've had two J6ers killed this week. I don't want to gloat and totally relax just yet.

[Neo]

If there's ever been someone whose evidence that consequences don't exist, it's Gavin McGinnis. He's a dude who's not really all that funny and desperately wants to be edgy, but really isn't that brave or interesting. So he just kind of lives this existence as a dick. His show was called Get Off My Lawn, which is kinda perfect because that's his energy. He's an old asshole on a porch muttering slurs and complaints about the youth these days, somehow imagining that he's on a crusade to protect his right to do that. Then he started a violent street gang designed to start fights with left leaning protesters that recruited only the best members by making them get jumped into the group while naming serials. This group was hierarchical, with the only ways to become higher level members being to stop masturbating and then to assault a liberal protester. This group got entirely out of hand and eventually multiple members of the group planned an assault on the US Capitol meant to disrupt the certification of the 2020 election. Sure, but nothing happened to McGinnis. He's still rich and fine, acting like a victim and imagining that he has a sense of humor. What a piece of shit. Yep, a random person posted on Facebook that two January6 participants who were pardoned by the Trump administration had been killed in the days after the but this is just some social media Bullshit.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Neo]

On January 26th, Matthew Huddle Pardon January Six Rioter was pulled over by the police. He resisted arrest and was shot and killed by the police. It sucks, and police shouldn't use deadly force like this, but it has nothing to do with him being involved in January 6th. The second death in question was a woman named Tamara Towers Perry, who died in October 2024, which is a while before the pardons. She was at the Capitol on January 6th and shot video of herself there, but was never charged for her actions. So she's not even a J, according to these people.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Neo]

On October 1st, people showed up to her house to serve her with paperwork, most likely related to the fact that her house was in foreclosure. Perry arrived to meet them at the door wielding a shotgun. And according to police, one of the men serving this paperwork shot her and killed her. He was not a cop who was serving the paperwork, but he did have a cop.

[Jordan]

She had a shotgun. She had a shotgun, yeah.

[Neo]

She answered the door pointing a shotgun.

[Jordan]

With a shotgun. Yeah. Yeah, that'll happen.

[Neo]

So Gavin wants to paint the image that two January 6th participants were killed in the past week to tell the audience that they're under threat. The fact that they were involved in January 6th is supposed to be related to the fact that both of these people were killed, and it's involved in the fact that they're dead. But if you take a second to consider the facts, this argument falls apart. For one, neither death had anything to do with their status as a J6ER. Second, one of the deaths happened in early October, not in the past week. Third, though both deaths were probably avoidable and unnecessary tragedies, they both involved circumstances that are not mysterious. One was a guy who resisted arrest, and the other was a woman who threatened people serving her with paperwork with a shotgun. If you know the details, then you hear Gavin present the story the way he does. You have to conclude one of two things. Either he knows the details, too, and is willfully lying about the story for his own manipulative purposes, or he's just seen some dipshit post inaccurate information on social media, and he doesn't care about this stuff any deeper than that. He'll just repeat whatever works for him.

[Jordan]

Him.

[Neo]

Either way, Gavin McGinnis is a giant piece of shit that no one should take seriously. And honestly, I mean, look, there's no standards. But I think it's embarrassing that Alex is having him on. Yeah, I think Alex should be above this.

[Jordan]

He's an embarrassing little loser. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, well, boy, that thing about guns you got. You know, I think, and I don't think this is a controversial thought. There are very, very, very few and very specific situations where a gun makes things better. The vast majority. See, the problem is telling the difference between those Very, very, very few, Very, very, very specific situations and all other situations. And when people have guns, they tend to make that confusion a lot more damaging. That's what I would say. I don't think that maybe you, there's. Maybe you don't need to answer the door with a shotgun. That's not the most appropriate time for it.

[Neo]

It's probably escalatory.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

I think granted, you know, it's your own house, you have stand your ground laws or whatever the fuck, your home's your castle and all that nonsense. But yeah, it seems like this is going to. It's gonna heat the pot things up.

[Jordan]

Maybe just don't open the door. Yeah, maybe I won't open this door. It is locked.

[Neo]

So Alex has a complaint about the left people on Twitter and stuff and on social media.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And I think it's an interesting complaint.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Because it's about him.

[Dan]

These women particularly are all over the Internet. I'm not even looking for it. And I see it. They're like, oh, Trump's going down, he's going to get arrested, it's all over. Or, you know, he's going to get assassinated tomorrow. And they are just full on delusional.

[Gavin McGinnis]

The allegations are so mentally ill that I want to, like, talk to them and understand what the hell they're talking about.

[Neo]

So Alex should be careful about this criticism here. It's easy to mock people holding out hope that some magical solution is going to present itself and solve the problem of Trump being president. Like people on Twitter thinking that he's going to be arrested or killed. But this mockery cuts both directions. Alex sells his audience exactly the same thing, just in different packaging. He also spends so much time obsessing about the idea that Trump could be killed. The only difference is that Alex is exploiting his audience's fear as opposed to the other side trying to capitalize on misguided hope. And to illustrate this point, I'd like to take you on a little time travel adventure.

[Jordan]

Let's take a look all the way.

[Neo]

Back to six minutes before this last.

[Jordan]

Clip that I played before this last clip. Okay.

[Dan]

And. And we don't keep pushing. This is not a normal election. This is just us, you know, turning the tide. Then we're gonna be just like Bolsonaro. They're gonna, they're gonna steal it again. They're gonna kill Trump. You're really smart guy on so many fronts and a visionary. What are you most concerned about with Trump? Because he's obviously all in, hitting on all cylinders. He's the real deal. Born Again Hard knows that this is his one shot to turn things around, but we have to understand, we've got to back him. What else think the bad guys may pull.

[Gavin McGinnis]

They're going to try to kill him. They tried to do it twice and they're not going to stop. That doesn't end. You don't get over an assassination and just relax and go, well, I blew it. I guess I won't kill him anymore.

[Neo]

Yeah, you ding dongs are just playing the same game. You understand it. You know what you're doing. Shut the fuck up.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

Anyway, you ever read the New York magazine?

[Jordan]

I don't know if I've ever read it from COVID to cover, but I do know it exists. Yes. Huh. How's it doing?

[Neo]

Well, they recently put out a version issue and it's gotten the people on the right a little bit mad.

[Jordan]

Oh, what they do?

[Neo]

Well, apparently they had. They took a picture of a Trump party and they cropped out the black people in it.

[Jordan]

Motherfuckers.

[Neo]

Right?

[Jordan]

There were so many too. Cuz when you, when you crop a photo, you, you can crop out individual, you know, it's not like there would be just one section where all the black people are and then the rest of them would be white people, making it very, very easy to crop out all the. That would be crazy. They'd be intermingled.

[Neo]

Well, Gavin has some, has some thoughts about this issue.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Neo]

And that, and one of the thoughts is that he really wants to fuck the lady on the COVID of this magazine.

[Jordan]

That'. Help.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And the, the New York magazine you're talking about. New Yorker. The, the cruel kids. They, they called it. And they cropped out the blacks, as you say. And you look at the picture, there's no black people there. Your old instinct would be like, wait, wait, it's cropped. Tons of black people there. Now you just laugh and you go, those, those kids look great. That chick in the bottom left, she's like a 9.2.

[Dan]

I'm married, but I mean, admire God's creature. She's luscious. Can we pull that up, please? Let's admire that.

[Gavin McGinnis]

God forbid.

[Dan]

Let's just put her on the screen for the rest of the show.

[Gavin McGinnis]

If my wife was to die in a plane crash, God forbid, I would obviously go through a period of mourning, at least a year, and then I would maybe be willing to go on a date with her.

[Dan]

Well, look how happy she looks. And she's just got it. She looks like they got a sticker on Top the Capitol or something.

[Gavin McGinnis]

She's so healthy. Look how healthy. This is a hit piece you're reading, by the way. This is supposed to make you hate them.

[Neo]

So this is something that Alex has been complaining about for a bit, but I don't really care. The New York magazine ran a cover photo that was headlined the Cruel Kids Table, about young Trump supporters. The article covers an influencer party from the night before the inauguration, and it doesn't say that everyone there was white, but that it was almost all white people. There's a wide shot of the COVID what ended up being the COVID that's published in the story and on the online edition of the piece. But it was cropped for the COVID image, and folks like Alex and Gavin have decided that it was cropped to remove black people, to push that narrative. Some sort of narrative.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

The image is cropped how it was for pretty clear reasons. The picture has a natural center, which is a guy in a tux and his friends posing for a picture, which includes this lady that Alex and Gavin have a boner for.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Neo]

There are many editorial reasons why the image would be cropped this way, but of course, these guys know better, and it's just another attack on the white man that'll happen. Also, why is Alex pretending he's not in the middle of a divorce? He's free to lust after this young lady if he wants. He doesn't have to do this family man shtick. The fuck is wrong with him?

[Jordan]

I don't know. You know, sometimes they just remind you that if you wanted to, like, really dig back into the past and the, like causes and effects and the causes and effects and just follow that trail. You get back to a little website that's about whether or not your college friends are hot or not. You know, it all goes back there. And then they just bring that back right up to the present day. And you're like, we should have. We could have learned. We could have learned it.

[Neo]

We could have cut it off when it was.

[Jordan]

The Facebook could have been like, oh, hot or not. Unacceptable is what it is.

[Neo]

Yep. So they talk a little bit more about this New York magazine article, and Gavin's just like, I don't know. He's. He's trying to be shocking and offensive.

[Jordan]

Sure. He's doing the same.

[Dan]

Blah.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And another. Another allegation is that someone brought a dog and it. It went to the bathroom on the carpet.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And then other people are, like, jumping through the velvet ropes, and she goes, I'm sneaking in like a Little Mexican or someone else said, ah, this is retarded. And as this. It's written by this trans freak. And as he's writing it, he specs he expects us all to go, oh my Lord. But those are ancient tropes. Those are all dead. You're talking about meat on a rhino skull that has long been devoured by be. And we just laugh when we see it now. So they, they really are out of steam. I don't know that it's, it's, it is a golden age.

[Neo]

What Gavin means is that there's no longer a social cost to being a bigot. That's what he's celebrating. There's no higher value or accomplishment that's been reached. No one's life is materially better for it. It's just fine to say slurs in public now. There's no reason you should worry about people judging you for expressing hate. There's no social cost. I have no idea what he's talking about with that dog thing, but the other part is referring to this in the article. This set's most visible political stance is a reaction to what it sees as the left's puritanical obsessions with policing language and talking about identity. A joke about Puerto Ricans or eugenics or sleeping with Nick Fuentes could throw a pack of smokers outside Butterworth's into a gigglefest. Recounting her time at one of the balls, a woman tells me that she jumped the velvet rope into a VIP section like a little Mexican. Then she lets out a cackle. This is the posture that has attracted newcomers to the cause. Quote, six months into Biden being president, I was like, I can't fucking do this anymore, says a 19 year old New Yorker who once quite literally had blue hair and attends Marymount Manhattan, which he describes as 70% women and 23% T slur. He had supported Biden, but quote, I hate watching the things I say. I took a much further horseshoe around this time. Later, a former Bernie supporter who looked like most Bernie supporting people one could imagine with long curly hair and a plaid shirt, told me the same. He wanted the freedom to say F and R, but not no, I understand. The article itself is actually kind of an interesting discussion about this uptightness about language. I'll read to you one of the closing paragraphs. Quote, it's true that over the past few months since Trump was reelected, I had begun to feel these young conservatives influence seeping into my own political circles. Like the substance. We no longer had any patience for the identity warriors on our timelines. A friend and I started swapping Megan Kelly on Instagram. We thought they were hilarious. Our favorite was her take on the fires in la. Quote, the last thing I want to see if I'm in a burning building is A, a woman and B, an obese woman. I was unleashed the R word. Fat jokes. No one, not even the bleeding hearts I know, ever seemed to get all that offended. The only time I lost friends in the past year for political reasons was debating the war in Gaza. And mostly, even if they wouldn't say it themselves, they chuckled. Oh, my God, you're tacky for that one. One would text me back in those moments. It felt freeing, empowering, though perhaps in the same way that bullying someone does when you're in middle school. It would do Gavin some good to reflect a little bit on this aspect of his whole thing, but he can't really afford to at this point. Point, his entire business model is built on the foundation of being a middle school bully. So the way that this article in the New York magazine is actually kind of wrestling with, you know, uptightness about language.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

The ways in which people who seem to really relish this are really just kind of enjoying bullying people, it's. It's unhealthy. It's freeing in an unhealthy way, maybe.

[Jordan]

I mean, nobody's ever. Nobody's ever stopped you. You could always say the words. You could say them right now if you wanted to.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Why?

[Neo]

And Gavin always has.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like what? It's just. There's no reason to. Or not to.

[Neo]

Right.

[Jordan]

Like. Like it's okay. I get that you're. You're not allowed to say fuck on tv. Right. And then whenever we're doing stand up, there were people who would be like, you shouldn't say fuck. You can't work blue. Which, Great. Whatever. I can't believe that we lived back in those days. But, yeah, so that happened. And it's like, it. It doesn't mean anything more or less.

[Neo]

No.

[Jordan]

You could say F slurs on stage, but not fuck. It's just. You could still say fuck on stage, but there would just be different things that happened. Like, it didn't matter.

[Neo]

Right.

[Jordan]

You weren't cool or not cool. You were just saying it or not saying it.

[Neo]

The battle that Gavin and his dipshit friends have been. Been fighting is essentially removing the social costs of saying these kind of slurs and behaving in these ways.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Because they're acting like it's a free speech thing. And everybody should be able to say whatever they want.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

But in reality, it's basically meant to mask people having really serious intention of excluding certain groups of people from the public space. Yeah. And you can pretend all he wants that, like, it's. We're being funny, but I mean, like, the.

[Jordan]

The concept behind it that they're undermining, that they obviously would. Wouldn't understand because they were lying, is that they were the ones who are being excluded. You. You're excluding us by getting rid of us just because we love calling you slurs. That's. That's rude. We're being excluded. And now that the. Now that we're in the other situation, they're like, isn't it great? We get to call people slurs and they can't do anything to, like, what are you doing?

[Neo]

Yeah. And I mean, like, if he'd read that full article, he would have heard this perspective of. It looks, you know, my friends aren't really all that offended by any of this nonsense.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

And no one really is all that sensitive.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Neo]

Generally speaking, but they are sensitive to, you know, the public.

[Jordan]

You're not being edgy.

[Neo]

No.

[Jordan]

No one gives a shit.

[Neo]

There's not. There's not really that much edge here.

[Jordan]

This is your identity. This is about you. Stop making it about other people.

[Neo]

Yeah. I mean, you have censored TV as your website.

[Jordan]

What are we doing?

[Neo]

It's all you need to know.

[Jordan]

Grow up.

[Neo]

So Paul F. Tompkins, Probably.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Bob Odenkirk, maybe.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Neo]

David Cross, Definitely.

[Jordan]

Three people who did some work together, possibly with another person who was at January.

[Neo]

John Ennis.

[Jordan]

Not him.

[Neo]

No, no. Tom Kenny.

[Jordan]

No. Tomcat's not there.

[Neo]

Marilyn Rajkop?

[Jordan]

Definitely not. She was in 24.

[Neo]

Let's see, who else. Patton Oswald was in one episode of Mr. Show. Jack Black was in a couple.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. Nope, still off the hook.

[Neo]

Scott Aukerman?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

BJ Novak?

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Nope. None of these people at Jason.

[Neo]

This is a list of people who will not stand up for Jay Johnson.

[Gavin McGinnis]

Hollywood. And not just the elites, like, even the cool hipster crowd. There was a benefit for comedians who were suffering, and they didn't include Jay Johnston, even though the people who were doing the benefit were members of his show, Mr. Show. And they. They excluded him. J6er, even though no one needs more money in the Hollywood comedy scene than him. So all of these cool Hollywood comedians, they will be the last to give it up. Of course. Judges in our polluted justice system, like with Nick Oaks, who, I believe you've had On Nick Oaks has been. He beat the case. It wasn't pardoned. This is before pardoning. He beat the case. And now his judge is saying, well, okay, you beat that charge. I'm going to bring nine new charges. This has never been done in American history. History where a dead case all of a sudden comes back to life with new random charges thrown in. But because our justice system is. Is Venezuelan.

[Dan]

You're right. You're right. It's going to be the long fair and. And the fake charges. But he's purging the Justice Department, so that's good. Here's a great example of Hollywood and being the Japanese or soldier 29 years after the war been while still thinking the war was going. Look at the new Captain America. Because they want to kill the box.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Because, you know, he's told to do this. Get the ESG score through blackrock Rock says Captain America has nothing to do with America, doesn't represent America. I'm saying Michael Jordan isn't associated with basketball. I mean, what the hell?

[Gavin McGinnis]

He just ruined his movie. And because he's clinging to this, he assumes, by the way, that everyone else hates America as much as him. And this won't hurt the sales. Dude, you just tanked your movie. To Virtue Signal.

[Neo]

To Virtue Signal. Man. I'd like to apologize. It was BJ Porter, not BJ Nova.

[Jordan]

I was gonna say I immediately came. That's the office. Yeah.

[Neo]

So there' reason that people on Mr. Show need to support J.E. johnson if they don't want to be part of his whole trying to overthrow an election thing. It's kind of comes off as whiny entitlement from Gavin here, and I feel like it's kind of against his brand.

[Jordan]

There's a slight difference in being like, oh, let's do a benefit for comedians who are struggling in the aftermath of one of the worst natural disasters that they've ever had to experience. And then like. But also we should support a comedian who. Who tried to overthrow the United States government.

[Neo]

Now, I guess if JEH Johnson lost his home in a fire, like, then maybe he should be part of a beneficiary of the funds that people were raising money for.

[Jordan]

Of course, I'd say regardless of what happened to J6, but you're asking for.

[Neo]

You don't have to help him raise his legal.

[Jordan]

These are the consequences of your actions, not of fire.

[Neo]

Yeah. So also, Gavin is lying through his teeth about Nick Oakes Oaks. He didn't beat his case. I'm just going to read you here. This from the DOJ press release.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

Quote, Nicholas Oaks, 36, of Honolulu pleaded guilty on September 9, 2022, in the District of Columbia to obstruction of an official proceeding and was sentenced today to 48 months in prison, followed by 36 months of supervised release. Oakes entered the Capitol unlawfully. He recorded himself smoking cigarettes in the Capitol. He recorded his friend writing, murder the media on the Chestnut Gibson Memorial door to the Capitol.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Neo]

He rummaged through a cop's duffel bag and stole a pair of handcuffs.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Neo]

And then he recorded himself saying, quote, sorry, we couldn't go live when we stormed the fucking US Capitol and made Congress flee.

[Jordan]

In retrospect, that does sound bad.

[Neo]

It looks bad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Nick was super guilty, and that's why he pled guilty.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And then Trump pardoned him. So Gavin's wrong and lying about everything here.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Neo]

As for these new charges, him and his friend were charged with a new superseding conspiracy charge based on some new evidence. Some of the new information that was learned from this case. Nick threw smoke grenades at cops at the Capitol.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

In advance of the day. He texted his friend, quote, the odds are with us because of the Supreme Court, boys, I'm pro violence, but don't blow your load too soon. Well, he also livestreamed himself, saying, quote, viewers, we have some good news. We have just peeked through this window, and on the television, the headline reads that Congress stopped the vote when we stormed the Capitol. And as we've been saying all day, we came here to stop the steel. That really goes a long way toward proving conspiracy, intent, premeditation, planning, all of that shit. Also, Oaks is the founder of the Hawaii branch of the Proud Boys, so Gavin's a little bit personally invested.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that one does track now. Yeah.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I guess. I guess. My. My vibe has always been like, all right, so you're the rebels, right? You're trying to defeat the Empire. You lose, you don't take down the Death Star, you get captured. The. The moon base explodes, everybody's fucked, and then you. But they're not like, well, why did we get in trouble? The law says, nah, you fucking tried. Eat it. You know, you win or you die. This is the problem.

[Neo]

Yep.

[Jordan]

This is the problem with the Game of Thrones, Dan.

[Neo]

No, that's not the problem exactly.

[Jordan]

That's the one problem the Game of Thrones does not have.

[Neo]

Yeah, that's.

[Jordan]

The most important rule. Seems to have been lost on us.

[Neo]

I mean, there's a piece of me that. That agrees with that. But then I got lost in thought. When you're comparing them to the rebels of how fucking sad it would be if there's just, like, a hologram of someone being like, Gavin McGinnis, you're our only hope.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Neo]

A bunch of a. Bummer.

[Jordan]

Let's not think about the future, cat turd.

[Neo]

We like you for now a long, long time ago. We need rfk.

[Jordan]

Bummer.

[Neo]

So Gavin has some complaints.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

About arguing with the left.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

I think a little bit of this is projection.

[Gavin McGinnis]

I don't. I don't like how we have to know their misconceptions. They'll bring up things in a debate, and you'll get go, wait, what? I never heard that. And then you have to go look it up and realize, oh, no, that's B.S. like, Trump reads Hitler before he goes to bed. Like Obama apprehended 10,000 illegals and deported them. Like Obama had the greatest success rate out of any president ever. They. Liberals lie so much, and it's so disingenuous that you end up after a debate with a homework assignment.

[Dan]

No, you're right. They have all these canons that aren't based in truth. Alex Jones peed on graves or sent people to do. And we get them on the stand. I go, who, Pete? We don't know. Somebody told me. Well, who told you? I don't know. And it's just. It's just a canon. It's just a. Trump said, all Hispanics are evil. Where's the video?

[Gavin McGinnis]

So now you have to know what they're talking about. Like when they. When they said all that stuff that. That the. The Howard Stern guy imitating. You said you have to be familiar with that Howard Stern episode now and say, no, no, no. That's a misconception. That was a comedian doing an imitation of me. I never said that.

[Dan]

Wow, you're sophisticated. I never told that story because I. Forget about it. Yeah. One of the myths that I did all this was Howard Stern himself and a guest sat there in my voice saying horrible things about the dead kids. And then that just becomes something, too.

[Gavin McGinnis]

It shows up in court.

[Neo]

So it really feels like this would be a good time to bring up a podcast that's been running for over eight years, which includes a host who consulted with one of the Sandy Hook cases.

[Jordan]

Sure. But.

[Neo]

Oh, well.

[Jordan]

Nah, it doesn't seem important.

[Neo]

Gavin and Alex are engaging in pure projection here.

[Jordan]

Here.

[Neo]

The only way they're able to make any points at all is by creating an entirely imaginary world that their Arguments get to live in full of code and lore that no one outside of this bubble understands. If you're someone who took human trafficking seriously but didn't engage with right wing misinformation circles and social media, you'd have no idea what they were talking about when they started grandstanding about 300,000 missing kids from the border. It's shorthand for Alex and Gavin, but. But if you don't know what their narrative is about this, it's very difficult to respond to it on the fly. They exploit this dynamic as a matter of policy. And now I guess Gavin wants to pretend everyone else is guilty of it, but essentially he's describing what the experience of listening to Alex's stupid show is. Yeah, you have a homework assignment because you. All this nonsense shit he's rattling off.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Neo]

Some of the examples that are used here are that, like, Alex peed on someone's grand grave. No one's ever seriously alleged this. One of the parents of a child who was killed at Sandy Hook testified that they'd received harassing mail claiming that the person had peed on their child's grave and that they were going to dig it up. Alex knows this is monstrous stuff and that the person who is terrorizing this parent this way was doing so because they were convinced of conspiracies about crisis actors that he profited from promoting. It would be a serious blow to Alex's ego to accept that he did that and that this is a side effect of that, that this parent experienced something that no one should ever have to feel. So instead of taking that blow to the ego, he's come up with a fake version of the accusation that he uses as a strawman to defend himself. Alex says that he's never peed on a child's grave because it's unrelated to what he's actually accused of. And it allows him to portray his critics as sensationalists. And I can say with a great deal of certainty, because I've seen a ton of the evidence and discovery material. Nothing that Alex was accused of in any of these lawsuits traces back to science. Something that an impressionist said on Howard Stern's show. This is coward bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Fucking seriously. Come on, guys.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. This is ridiculous.

[Neo]

What are you doing?

[Jordan]

I mean, I do think that he points out a very obvious problem with debate culture, though. It's very simple and easy to go like, yeah, yep, that's a massive flaw. Maybe we shouldn't do that.

[Neo]

Yeah, no, it's. It is. He. He. He points to why there Will be no sort of friction between false realities or unshared realities. If there is no reality, then my version of it.

[Jordan]

You've got your guys, I've got my guys. When I read my guys, they make me sound smart. When you read your guys, they make you sound smart. Never the twain shall meet.

[Neo]

And I'll yell at you about my guys when we encounter each other. And hooray.

[Jordan]

That'll be it.

[Neo]

No one gets anything done.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Neo]

Everyone gets hurt.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

So these people are.

[Dan]

Are cool.

[Jordan]

They're actually very cool. And it's very important, you know that.

[Neo]

And socially forward thinking.

[Jordan]

Of course they are.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

They drive the culture.

[Neo]

They don't really care what you do in your bedroom.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not. Progress is about killing the. Wait, what were we talking about?

[Neo]

I think. I think Gavin might accidentally reveal he cares a little bit.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah?

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And a big thing this cult does too is they start with these really simple motherhood statements, These platitudes like love is love. And you go, that sounds reasonable to me. So a gay man loves a gay man. Shouldn't they be able to be together? And I think we're all pretty socially liberal in 2025. So we go, yeah. I mean, as long as they're not hurting anyone. Sure. And then you start seeing the corruption creep in where they're terrorizing some Christian baker or some Christian venue for weddings, and you realize. And their divorce rate is like 95%. And they don't.

[Dan]

They're not interested in many cases to rape them and put them in sex rings.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And you go, wait a minute. You lied.

[Jordan]

You said, just gonna say that.

[Gavin McGinnis]

Love. I believed you.

[Neo]

So love isn't love then. So that was. You don't believe. You're not. You don't believe that any. That was all a trick. Right? That's what. That's what your position is.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You fooled me by making me believe that you were like me. But it turns out out you're corrupt and evil. So all the things that I feel like I wanted to do to you back then that I felt bad about wanting to do to you, I should do those now. I feel very justified in doing them all because of something that has nothing to do with you whatsoever.

[Neo]

I have created a system wherein my bigotry is justified. I don't have to feel bad about all this shit.

[Jordan]

It is really funny how that.

[Neo]

Congratulations.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Wow. And who would have thought it would take a genius like Gavin to come up?

[Jordan]

It is so crazy how it turns out that the smart, the here's what's crazy about all of these people that I've experienced so far up to this point is it's so crazy how it turns out the thing that they want the most in life also happens to be the smartest thing that only rational people would.

[Neo]

The only right thing.

[Jordan]

The only right thing. In fact, it's obvious that the thing that they want specifically for them, that would hurt a ton of other people, of course, but for their own good, is also the smartest and best thing to do.

[Neo]

Right. And like this formulation that he's making is like, ah, yes, it sounds like a path someone might go down.

[Jordan]

Reasonable person.

[Neo]

But you didn't think love is love sounded right to begin with.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Neo]

You were mad about that then and now you figured out a way to justify. And. And there's no social cost for being just outwardly homophobic.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Neo]

In this way. So you can just do it.

[Jordan]

You know, I wonder how much of this really is like a lot of what we're experiencing is a reaction to the Internet. Internet. It's a reaction to people, some of it, who would otherwise never have known these other people existed, suddenly being forced into the same public square and realizing that we should not live together.

[Neo]

Well, I think, I think, I think probably there's some little piece of that, but then there's another piece of it that more closely implicates Gavin, which is like the Internet has allowed a lot of people who are vapid and really not that talented to create attention grabbing stuff. There's a way to hijack people's attention and make a lot of money off that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And Gavin's an example of someone who does that in a way that it tends towards bigotry.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

And the Internet wouldn't exist without the Internet.

[Jordan]

It's the people who have an instinct towards exploiting anything thing that found the exploiting the Internet to be the greatest gold mine that's ever been.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So Gavin is a little bit worried.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

But not about. Not about Trump. Not really not worried about all that. He's worried that his enemies are too weak.

[Jordan]

Oh, that sucks. I hate it when that happens.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Gavin McGinnis]

I'll tell you what, I'm more concerned about the liberals. I want a better sparring partner. I'm embarrassed for them. Say you knew a gang like the Hell's Angels. Angels and their, their worst adversary, their biggest rival was a bunch of 8 year olds on BMX bikes. That would look bad on the Hell's Angels. And right now our enemies are such complete losers that it's almost making us look bad. Like, hey, liberals out there, almost focus on our weak points. We are awarding CEOs like $800 million when they bankrupt the country. And this is when the employees of that company can't feed their kids. That's a good attack on us and capitalism. Talk about our incompetent health care system that both the left and the right is terrible at. Republicans haven't fixed health care. Why don't you attack us on that? Attack Trump on infrastructure. Half the roads in this country look like they're in Iraq. We do we even fix the Baltimore Bridge yet? What is that? Is it a rope bridge? Like, there's intelligent leftist things. I'm at the point now where Bernie Madoff, who is just like a special needs person who doesn't know what a calculator is. He's the smart. He's the intellectual of the left. That's how bad. So guys come at us with something good.

[Neo]

I think he met Bernie Sanders, but that.

[Jordan]

That makes way more sense. Yeah, because I was, like, really confused about that.

[Neo]

Very.

[Jordan]

I thought my. My news. Yeah.

[Neo]

Okay, so this is cute, but Gavin's kind of giving up the game here. There are plenty of people on the left who criticize the government for all of the things that he's bringing up. He's pretending that voice doesn't exist. And it's a shame because he could really use that tool to keep his debating skills sharp. Sharp. But the reality is that he exists in a no man's land of ideas. Very few people who take any of this shit seriously would ever talk to him. Which leaves his sparring partner roster filled mostly with people who do this stuff primarily for attention and clicks. That pool is probably going to be largely disappointing. And if Gavin wasn't Gavin, he might have access to a better list of folks to debate. But he has to understand that the low quality of people who would associate with him is kind of his own fault. He's an embarrassing dude to the point where even winning a debate against him is kind of a net negative because you had to be there. You had to be involved in that with him. And that. I don't know. There's a lot of people who really want to do that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I was thinking about this cuz this reminded me of the Greenwald conversation. That whenever I harassed Greenwald for a while, it reminded me of that because it's like only an idiot would fight with me. So the only people who want to fight with me are idiots. You know, like, yeah, Gavin, I Understand that you don't hear intelligent arguments a lot maybe if that's your even premise. But that's because nobody wants to speak to you. So whomever is speaking to you, it's a very self selected pool of arguments that you might get.

[Neo]

You know. And like you, he also is self selecting and that he doesn't want to have like a serious dry conversation with some. Someone who will push back accurately on these points and the things that are problem about him. He wants to go and like yell at Destiny or something like that. That's.

[Jordan]

I want to feel smart for saying things. I don't want to have to think about things.

[Neo]

Yeah. That's the level of don't, don't lament it. That's the, that's the course that you've taken.

[Jordan]

That's the thing that you like to do.

[Neo]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Like the idea of like oh, learning. Learning something is not something they like to do.

[Neo]

Right. Gavin exists to be the third interview that ye does after he decides he's a Nazi and starts wearing that's what you're for buddy mask over his face.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

He's the third guy will go to.

[Jordan]

Is he wearing the mask again yet?

[Neo]

No, I don't think so.

[Jordan]

Ah, shit.

[Neo]

Back when he did, Gavin was number three.

[Jordan]

Number three.

[Neo]

So close to number two. But sorry Tim, Pool man. What a is higher up on the ladder.

[Jordan]

Sad life.

[Neo]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

So he talks a little bit about who really got Trump elected.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

And yeah. Aliens. No.

[Gavin McGinnis]

Oh, you know, the, the guys who got Trump elected. You said I helped at the beginning of the show and I'm sure that's true but who really pushed him over the edge is these kids that no one's seen. They're predominantly white, they're mostly Christian. You know, they don't drink that much. They're. They're like 18 to 22. And the only time you saw them during up the election was that one kid. Kid who was screaming at the mayor of. Was it Philadelphia? I forget the town, but he was the, the mayor was trying to play with the barricades to stop people from having this Trump rally. And this guy was probably 19, he was tearing the mayor a new ass. And I met these kids, I hung out with them. They didn't want to party as much as I did and they were working like 19 hour days non stop the whole time. They set up msg. They, they set up all the rallies. They're the ones behind the scenes and workaholics who got that made sure that the trains run on time. During that campaign. And these cruel kids at the table are our future. And we have to sort of humble ourselves and say, hey, you guys are winning the culture war. What should we do?

[Neo]

So he mentions the cruel kids at the table, which is the New York magazine article, that they were so mad furious that the article said that there was mostly white people, but Gavin just said that these are mostly white people.

[Jordan]

Well, they're mostly white white people.

[Neo]

And then he. He's like, they're the people who set up the Madison Square Garden rally, which was a very obvious homage to Nazi Bund. And then he said he made the trains run on time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was only reference to another. Another fascist.

[Neo]

Yeah. I think it's pretty obvious what he's saying.

[Jordan]

It does feel very. I don't know if you've ever watched. You know what I like? I like Penn and Teller's Fool Us show, where magicians show up on stage and they try and fool Pen and Teller. They've got years of experience in magic. You can't fool Penn and Teller.

[Neo]

You can, though.

[Jordan]

Sometimes you can, you know, and then. But if you can't fool Penn and Teller, then Penn will give you, like, a little speech at the end where he'll be very complimentary, but it'll sneak in a bunch of like, oh, I see that. That was a face palm thing. And you're like, ah, he knows that he's palming cards. That's how he knows the thing that's going on. It does not take several decades of expertise in history or magic or really. It takes having seen, like, a Bruce Willis movie to be like, oh, that's Nazi shit right there.

[Neo]

It's really. It's pretty overt that he's like, the Hitler youth did it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. That's about as Nazi shit as it gets. Yeah, great. There you go, buddy.

[Neo]

So Alex loves one thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Elon Musk.

[Jordan]

God damn it. I hate that we live in this world now.

[Neo]

Here's the problem.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he's the worst.

[Neo]

Well, yeah. To the second problem.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

Gavin's still not back on Twitter. Oh, thanks for having me, Alex.

[Gavin McGinnis]

I'll definitely hook up with you when I'm in Austin.

[Jordan]

Next.

[Gavin McGinnis]

And Compound Censored is on Twitter, but I'm still banned. Gavin underscore McInnes. Still banned. Still too controversial.

[Dan]

Wait a minute. You're still banned on. On X?

[Gavin McGinnis]

Yeah, my company's in. But Gavin, personally, I had quarter million followers and Elon thinks I'm too controversial.

[Dan]

I don't think it's come to his attention, I think. He doesn't video out about this. Like, please do.

[Neo]

Oh, yeah, please. You can't possibly know about that. Elon loves free speech. Shit. Gavin McGinnis is still blocked.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, it shouldn't be that hard. It shouldn't even. It shouldn't even be an. Alex should just be like, oh, yeah, he doesn't give a shit about you.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're nothing to him.

[Neo]

Right.

[Jordan]

You're Gavin McGinnis. Shut the fuck up.

[Neo]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Neo]

But now we're gonna beg Elon now.

[Jordan]

No.

[Neo]

To get Gavin back on.

[Jordan]

Don't do it.

[Neo]

And then we get the announcement of another very exciting guest.

[Dan]

Okay, Everybody needs to contact Ed Elon and nicely say, hey, Gavin has been set up. He's a good guy. Just like Alex Jones been set up. Bring him back.

[Jordan]

Set up. Just say, bring him back on, cuz.

[Neo]

You'Re a Nazi moderate of you because.

[Dan]

You wake people up. Gavin, talk to you soon. Thanks, Alex. All right. Joe Biggs, I believe.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

He called us the night he got out and said, look, I'm just too freaked out. I got to see my daughter.

[Neo]

Daughter.

[Dan]

Family in Florida, but as soon as I'm ready, I'll come on you first. So I. I think if you've been on a show, we'd know, but I believe it's his first interview. True political prisoner, true deep state hostage. It's like he's been in, you know, North Korean or North Vietnamese torture chamber literally the last three years and all the hell he's been through. Good friend of mine, he's coming up.

[Neo]

I don't care about Joe Biggs. I don't care about Rambo Joe. He seems like someone who's had a rough time. Yeah, he never was great.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Neo]

To begin with, back when he was an employee of Infowars back in the day and what have you. He never. He never seemed like he had the best head on his shoulders, but he now like the conversation that they have. He seems like he had a tough time being in prison.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Which is understandable. It's not an easy experience to go to prison.

[Jordan]

They're not great places.

[Neo]

I think he might be processing some of that. That. The being away from his family. You know, I wouldn't be too shocked if he has some level of PTSD from the whole experience.

[Jordan]

It's borderline why they do it.

[Neo]

And I don't really want to mock that necessarily. Sure. I think that Joe Biggs is not relevant in any way outside of he used to work at a low Capacity for Alex and then became the leader of a street gang.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's inexplicably.

[Neo]

He's not that interesting. He doesn't bring a ton to the table.

[Jordan]

Probably wasn't a great leader of that street gang, to be honest.

[Neo]

Right. When he's on with Alex, he's talking a bit about how, like, he met a bunch of people in prison and he wants to dedicate, moving forward to helping give them a voice. Like, as if all these men that he met are all wrongly incarcerated. And, like, look, I don't think that's true. I don't think that's real. I think a lot of the people in prison also are probably lying to him about, like, how they got jammed up.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

Or whatever.

[Jordan]

For sure.

[Neo]

But. But if he just wants to deal with, like, carceral reform, I'm not gonna be. I don't wanna be a dick about that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

If in the same way that when Alex got a DUI and he's like, I'm gonna crusade against unjust DUIs, it's like, well, you're full of shit. But I don't have a problem with what you're saying.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I, I. In a certain sense, there is a part of me that's like. Well, I mean, listen, it's not like these are career criminals who are, like, making a. Making a life of robbing banks or anything. Like, there was a very specific reason that they committed that crime.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And without that reason, they probably won't commit the same crime on account of you can't.

[Neo]

Well, but I don't actually. I don't agree with that line of thinking because I do think that there's still a danger that people like Enrique Tarrio, for sure.

[Jordan]

Oh, no, no, no, no. I'm not saying that. I'm not talking about that.

[Neo]

Maybe they won't overthrow the Capitol again.

[Jordan]

But see, they are criminals.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

They're gonna beat somebody up, probably. There's gonna be some sort of violence.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Neo]

But whatever. I feel like I don't have any say or stake in Trump giving them a commutation of their sentences.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

And as long as he's out, if he's not fighting with people, I feel like, get back in touch with your family. Grow. Whatever. I don't care.

[Jordan]

Title card. Never seen from again. Why is never seen from again not a perfectly acceptable way to go?

[Neo]

Yeah. Little bit strange listening to Joe's interview, but Alex is not treating this with the respect that he should.

[Jordan]

I mean, he did spend a lot of time in prison, he did for Joe. Yeah.

[Neo]

And he used to live. He used to work at Infowars. They're buddies. So here's. Here's just a little taste of that.

[Jordan]

Okay. Just. Just having that. I'll never forget the day that the rally was happening, though, in Pennsylvania. I actually didn't know that that was going on. We were on lockdown, and I'd been probably stuck in my cell for going on a month. And we finally got the TV turned on, and I see Trump out there at a rally, speaking, and then I look away, and then when I look back, I see everybody around him, and they're. They're, like, around somebody and they're moving, and I look at my cellie and I go, man, there must be some dumb guy in there trying to start something, and they're pulling that guy out of there. I guarantee you the Secret Service is going to beat that dude up. And then it goes, breaking news. President Trump assassinated or something like that. And I go, what? And it goes back to a replay, and it shows him drop down to the ground. And I literally screamed. My knees gave out.

[Dan]

And I was like.

[Jordan]

And I fell down. And my. My cellmate goes, what is going on? And I go, oh, my God. God. I said, they just killed him. I said, no, please, God, don't let this guy die. It's my only way home, man. I was so scared. I'm so.

[Dan]

Joe, take your time. This is so powerful. Go back to that moment again, millisecond to millisecond, you know, your future, literally, of justice and wronged and the lies and the fraudulent. Everything's hanging in the balance on this man and the American people rallying behind him. And then, yeah, they're announcing he's been killed. And then when they knew, they failed. Killed. And they said, oh, no, he wasn't killed. He wasn't shot at. And Google, a month and a half later, wouldn't even say it happened. So, yeah, they were really intended to get him that day. Go back to that moment.

[Jordan]

I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it.

[Dan]

I mean, it was. It was.

[Jordan]

It was a. It was a horrible day for me. You know, everybody came up to me throughout the day and asking, like, checking on me, you know, when they would walk by the cell, hey, man, hey, you know what's going on? You know, do you have any more updates? Do you know what's going on? Have you seen anything? Or. People come up and tell me, hey, I think he's okay. So there was a lot of support But I'll tell you, when I saw that, that replay and I saw him grab his head and drop to the ground, I just, I sank down to my knees and I thought that was it. I thought my life was over. You know, I thought that was, that was it. And it was frightening.

[Dan]

What was it like? What was it like a minute later.

[Neo]

When he popped back up, Alex is eating lunch.

[Jordan]

I mean, what's disrespectful, what's crazy is that that really is. Now that I've heard it, like I hadn't considered it from his point of view before, now that I've. Now that I've thought about it through his eyes, that's an incredible thing to feel like, to actually be a person who's. Who can say, like, my legitimate future depends on whether or not this man becomes president.

[Neo]

Ye.

[Jordan]

And then to see him potentially assassinated. What a fucking moment.

[Neo]

Well, sure, I mean, like, that's crazy. Well, because Joe Biggs has the awareness of what Joe Biggs did. Right? Like he knows, like, right. If everything goes sensibly, I'll never get out of this.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, you know, 10 to.

[Neo]

20 years I should be dead based on legitimately the crimes that I committed against the country that I live in.

[Jordan]

Right? Right.

[Neo]

My coup favorite. I know what I did. All my buddies know.

[Jordan]

We know, according to us, it's treason. So in ours, if we were reversing the situation and like the leftists tried to, they'd be dead now.

[Neo]

We got this long shot that the guy that I tried to overthrow the government for could get back into office and crazy would let me out of prison.

[Jordan]

Crazy, That's a movie.

[Neo]

Living in that headspace would be very strange and it is interesting and it's. There is a part of listening to Joe that is pretty compelling from that standpoint. But now if you take the other element of it where Alex is listening to this guy describe this shit and he's just eating his lunch. I mean, it's just, he's not taking him seriously.

[Jordan]

That's the part that is mind boggling to me is like. And I think it's indicative of who they.

[Neo]

You care more about Joe's story than Alex?

[Jordan]

No, but that's indicative of who is at the core of the, this of, of the problem, like based on just what Joe said. Regardless, you know, I can factor in all the things that he's done throughout his life to, to like, listen, we're not going to hang out or anything like that. But that story is something that brings about such a Huge amount of curiosity for me, because you are still a human being in this obscene situation. Like an incredible situation. And you can't. Like, if somebody else told me, oh, whenever Trump went down, I screamed and I fell on my knees, I would be like, that's stupid.

[Neo]

Yeah. You're being overly theatrical. Except for not him.

[Jordan]

But in this case, yeah. That's your only hope, man.

[Neo]

And the fact that Joe is able to really identify that, like, he's my only way out of here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

Like, he's aware.

[Jordan]

It's amazing. That is a really interesting story. And if I were Alex, I would be far more empathetic than. I'm more just curious. I would be like, how does feel?

[Neo]

You'd think because they're friends.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And then I. But then on top of that, I'd be extremely curious.

[Neo]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Neo]

And it's catching up with an old buddy. Like. Like instead wants Joe to fill time so he can chew.

[Jordan]

Totally. I was. I was. I've been reading this. This biography on Joe Cahill and like, he did time while he was in the IRA and just hearing those stories about the stuff that they. That. That. That the outside world would happen during World War II, and it would just be like a thing that happened before phones, before tv, before anything, and you would just not know, you know, what a fascinating thing to know in real time. That could be my only chance at getting out of prison. Just got shot. And that's crazy.

[Neo]

Yeah, that's crazy. And then when he's not dead, it's like, back from the dead.

[Jordan]

I know.

[Neo]

You have a heart attack.

[Jordan]

What a crazy. That's crazy.

[Neo]

It is. Yeah, it is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Neo]

So anyway, I don't really care about the rest of Joe Biggs.

[Jordan]

Nope. Fuck off.

[Neo]

But I thought that was disrespectful. And I feel bad for Joe on some other.

[Jordan]

Weirdly agree. I feel bad for us for not getting a really interesting story out of him.

[Neo]

Damn.

[Jordan]

I think there's a lot there.

[Neo]

Probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you heard a good interviewer, you could probably tease it out.

[Neo]

So there's a lot going on in the world.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Neo]

And I don't know if we got into a whole lot of it.

[Jordan]

I think we nailed it.

[Neo]

Alex. Alex got mad that the RFK hearing was boring.

[Jordan]

29Th. Yep.

[Neo]

Steven Crowder, Gavin McGinnis and Rambo Joe Biggs all stopped by to be full of shit.

[Jordan]

What a world.

[Neo]

Yep. So we'll see if we'll get to some real meaningful stuff in the next episode. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledge Fight dot com.

[Neo]

Yep, I'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.