#1013: January 30, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1013: January 30, 2025 (Released March 3, 2025)

Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dive into clips from the January 30, 2025, edition of The Alex Jones Show, with a heavy focus on Alex’s response to a deadly plane-helicopter crash near Washington, D.C., reactions to the new Trump administration’s early moves (especially relating to government oversight and regulatory bodies), and another round of JFK assassination speculation fueled by Roger Stone’s guest appearance. Throughout, the hosts highlight Alex’s shifting stance on conspiracy versus coincidence when “his guys” are in power, the deep hypocrisy exposed by this pivot, and the branch-theory logic behind how Alex maintains his narrative regardless of the facts.

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Bright Spots & Cold Opens (00:04–06:40)

• Alex and Roger Stone soundboard montage: The usual madcap intro and affectionate parody of Infowars leads into Dan and Jordan’s personal “bright spots.”
• Dan’s bright spot (Post Malone Oreo Adventure) (01:10–03:48)
  • Dan discovers Post Malone Oreos, realizes he knows nothing about Post Malone, and decides to experience his music while eating the branded Oreo.
  • Verdict: The Oreo tastes like salted caramel pancakes (“a little bit like a pancake with syrup” – Dan, 03:11), no enlightenment unlocked by simultaneous music-listening.
  • Jordan coins “Post Malorio” and “Postio Malone.” Alex’s soundboard pipes in: “Neither.”
• Discussion on celebrity-branded foods (03:51–04:55)
  • Dan: “I like the idea of trying to associate, like, some snack with a face. Celebrity.” (04:11)
  • Mr. Beast’s “Feastable” bars: Jordan: “It makes me so angry... Mr.Beastable—right, what are we doing?” (04:39)
• Jordan’s bright spot (Dog grooming barter system) (04:58–06:28)
  • Praise for “potato donuts” as barter currency, with tongue-in-cheek post-apocalypse planning.
• Warm banter wraps to existential observations on “applauding” for simply staying at home and not “peeing on the rug.” (06:32)

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Episode Structure & Scope (06:40–09:32)

• Dan previews analysis: retrospective on January 30, 2025, but with extended review of an infrequent evening broadcast from January 29 (because Roger Stone was available).
• Clip: Alex Jones Out of Context (09:32)
  • “I mean, these are the times people say, you find out who you are in a crisis and holy shit, what the fuck’s going on with Trump.” – Alex Jones [09:32]
  • Both hosts agree: surprisingly relatable.

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Key Segments & Analysis

1. Roger Stone, JFK Files, and Trump’s 15-Day Rule (10:00–23:18)

Premise: Alex hosts a surprise evening show on Jan 29 for a JFK “teaser report” with Roger Stone, focused on Trump’s supposed release of assassination files.

• Alex claims new law: “It takes 15 days under law, and Trump signed it nine days ago…so in the next five to six, seven days, they should start releasing it. Roger’s an expert, he knows Trump well, and he already has a really good idea what’s in there.” [10:06]
• Dan’s analysis: “The worst thing possible for Alex is if the files are released and it’s a dud. So that’s the outcome he definitely doesn’t want.” [21:27]
• Jordan’s satirical fix: “What you do, you release a JFK dick pic and say that’s why you haven’t released it. Everybody be like, ‘oh yeah, that makes perfect sense.’” [22:31]

Notable Quote:

• “It doesn’t matter what happens. Reality is going to be bent to conform to the narrative that Alex is invested in pushing.” – Dan [22:31]

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2. Alex Sides with Trump: Inspector General Firing & Guantanamo (11:35–16:41)

• Alex normalizes firing of oversight officials: “All presidents fire inspectors general, because he really needs to convince the audience that it’s no big deal to replace all oversight bodies with loyalists.” [11:35]
• Dan’s fact-check: The IG Phyllis Fong was fired improperly; IG’s existence is predicated on independence, and the firings will likely be overturned in court. [12:23–13:56]
• Guantanamo segment: Alex applauds plan to send deported migrants to Guantanamo Bay.
  • (15:19) “That’ll stop this dead in his tracks. That is real dad taking his belt off. Hardball.” – Alex Jones, with a laugh [15:19]
  • Dan’s commentary: This is full reversal of Jones’ old fearmongering about abuses at Guantanamo; now he revels in the authoritarian pattern.
• Jordan nails the irony: “He’s the cheerleader for the very people that he made millions warning his listeners were coming.” [15:25]

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3. Elon Musk, Nobel Prize Nonsense, and Alex’s Crumbling Principals (17:05–21:00)

• Alex shills for Musk’s Nobel nomination: “Elon Musk nominated for the 2025 Nobel Prize for his stance on free speech...” [18:25]
• Dan’s correction:
  • Salman Rushdie never won the Nobel.
  • Solzhenitsyn won for literature, not “defense of free speech.”
  • Elon’s “nomination” means nothing; the process is nearly open.
• Jordan, sarcastically: “Anybody could win that shit.” [20:26]
• Dan: “Elon’s literally a giant war profiteer and Alex is a huge little worm. Huge little worm.” [19:18]

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4. Roger Stone Reveals: He Recruited Alex to Trump (23:26–25:23)

• Alex admits Roger “recruited” him:
  • “Roger recruited Alex to the Trump campaign, essentially. This makes the entire time that Alex was coming to Trump incredibly dishonest.” – Dan [23:55]
  • Both hosts reflect that Alex was negotiating his support, undercutting years of his supposed “independent” coverage.

Memorable Moment:

• “At the end of this, Alex is going to realize that Roger Stone rat fucked him too.” – Jordan [24:57]

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5. The Plane/Helicopter Crash: Trump’s America, Conspiracy or Coincidence? (29:05–34:55 and recurring)

5a. The Event

• Major crash at Reagan National: US military Blackhawk collides with a passenger airliner, no survivors.
  • “And right now, it looks like something went on on the helicopter. We don’t know…This stuff happens in a complex, crazy world.” – Alex [29:18–30:49]

5b. Dan and Jordan’s Takeaways

• Defensive shift: Alex, master of conspiracy, suddenly adopts “sometimes bad things happen” worldview.
  • “It’s an explanation that would suffice for the majority of the news that Alex ever covers, but then pretends are false flags, which is why it’s strange to hear him use this approach here.” – Dan [32:59]
• With Biden/Democrats in power: Such events instantly became state-planned “false flags.” Here: Acceptably tragic.

Memorable Line:

• “Alex does not want Trump and Musk’s power to be questioned, so his instinct towards suspicion just kind of disappears here when it would be in overdrive.” – Dan [33:15]

5c. Statistical Spin

• Alex: “Air travel is…on average, about 20 times safer than automobiles... So our hearts go out to all those that died. But before we knew anything... the entire corporate media came out and blamed Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Doge…” [35:01–36:35]
• Dan exposes: Alex is referring only to Twitter users, not “the media.”

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6. DEI, FAA, and Blame Games (41:03–44:37)

• Trump, echoed by Alex, blames “DEI” and “corporate corruption at Boeing” for the crash. [41:03]
• Alex’s mischaracterization: FAA wants to “hire schizophrenics. I mean seriously. And people that see pink elephants…They deserve to fly planes too.” [41:57]
  • Dan’s correction: The FAA destigmatized mental health treatment, not conditions, and did not say “people who see pink elephants” should fly. Alex is using this to mask support for routine discrimination.

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7. Infowars Worldbuilding—Alex’s Desperation for Trump/Musk Proximity (45:16–52:36)

• Alex brags about Trump watching the show and inviting him for dinner at the White House.
  • “I just mentioned it and it became a big top news story yesterday. Oh, my God, the evil Alex Jones…And I haven’t really pushed that or even asked for that stuff…” [45:20]
  • Then tries to walk it back—“I don’t even have time to barely eat dinner with my 7 year old daughter or wife...I’m eating dinner like once a week with them now.”
  • Jordan: “His whole thing about not wanting to be the cool guy hanging out with Trump is complete bullshit. He would trip over his feet if Trump or Musk offered him an audience with them anytime.” [51:16]

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8. “Accidents Happen”—The Recurrence of Conspiracy Thinking (54:52–66:36)

• Alex’s trajectory:
  • Starts with “these things just happen.”
  • Edge closer: “Wait, somebody hacked the helicopter? That can happen. I’m speculating, but it was the helicopter.” [54:52]
  • Next: “For decades, all the Blackhawks...can be remotely accessed...could be hacked...” [58:03]
• Dan’s insight: “Alex just can’t resist conspiracy thinking...He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogeyman. He needs to be pretending to fight.” [59:15]
• Eventually: Alex launches into old patterns—vague suspicions, special knowledge, Twitter as “the media,” vague “anomalies” as profit.

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9. Roger Stone Returns: More JFK Smoke, Less Fire (69:09–74:46)

• Alex and Roger rehash the anticipated file release, blame “the CIA” for blocking full transparency, and recount how Roger “brought” Alex into Trump’s orbit (providing insight into their mutual history).
• Roger: “The French intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the same conclusion [as the KGB]: that Lyndon Johnson was the centerpiece of it.” [70:22]
• Trump tells Roger it’s “so terrible, I can’t tell you. But someday you’ll know.” [72:17]
• Dan: “Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test. And we’re trying to create the appearance that that is a sign of character.” [74:10]
• Both hosts mock the ever-recycling mystery of the “still classified” JFK material.

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10. Alex/Roger’s Relationship: Shady Backroom Deals (78:21–81:55)

• Alex recalls first meetings with Roger at JFK memorial events, hinting again at negotiation (“get me on board”).
• Jordan: “Just hearing the words, like, you were telling me I’m not very political...the Infowars guy.” [81:11]
• Dan: “Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I’m Trump’s best friend? Yeah, sure, I’ll do that.” [82:14]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Alex's Shifting Standards

• “He’s the cheerleader for the very people that he made millions warning his listeners were coming.” – Dan [15:25]
• “Alex is addicted to the game. So he starts talking about the story and it’s not satisfying to just move along… all the vague points, those anomalies, for Alex, those represent profit. That’s money left on the table.” – Dan [65:04]

Cannonballing into the Absurd

• Jordan: “Not even your racism is genuine, man. Dark, dark days.” [57:53]
• Dan: “We have Created a super treasurer chatgptreasurer.” [53:15]

On The Show Itself

• Dan, summarizing Alex’s arc: “He must exploit tragedy.” [66:39]
• Jordan: “It feels like a one sided Twitter argument.” [67:21]

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Timeline of Key Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | | ----------- | -------------------------------------------------------------------------- | | 00:04-06:40 | Personal bright spots, celebrity food, dog grooming barter | | 09:32 | Out of context Alex drop: “holy shit, what the fuck’s going on with Trump” | | 10:00-23:18 | JFK files, 15-day delay, Roger Stone speculation | | 11:35-16:41 | Inspector general firing, Guantanamo plan, analysis | | 17:05-21:00 | Nobel Prize for Musk, Alex’s ideals decay | | 23:26-25:23 | Roger Stone recruited Alex for Trump, debates over access/validation | | 29:05-66:36 | Plane/helicopter crash & spin, conspiracy or coincidence | | 41:03-44:37 | DEI blame game, FAA rosters, mental health and bigotry | | 45:16-52:36 | Trump dinner invite, Alex’s neediness for power/cool-kid validation | | 54:52-66:36 | Alex’s failure to stick to “coincidence,” inevitable conspiracy theory | | 69:09-74:46 | Roger’s JFK musings, Trump’s “it’s so horrible” comment | | 78:21-81:55 | More passive-aggressive Stone/Alex dynamic, insider politics |

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Tone & Style

• Highly sardonic, world-weary, and frequently meta: Dan and Jordan emphasize how the Jones/Stone political-media machine now overtly reveals its own compromises and fraudulence.
• Relatable, conversational: Their analysis mixes cutting fact-checks with gallows humor and playful back-and-forth.
• Self-aware critique: They do not posture as above their subject, but clearly see the economic and psychological incentives governing Alex’s contradictions.

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Summary Takeaway

Knowledge Fight #1013 captures Alex Jones at a crossroads: no longer the outsider “calling out the globalists,” he’s now openly advocating for state abuse when it suits his new allies (Trump/Musk), spinning away tragedies that would have once fueled his conspiracy entertainment empire, while forever unable to resist dipping back into the same old paranoid patterns. Dan and Jordan highlight the underlying logic that sustains the whole farce: the facts (or victims) don’t matter so long as the narrative keeps serving Alex’s need for access, profit, and attention—even if, in a complex world, that means sometimes pretending that accidents are just accidents… until the next tweet tells him to believe otherwise.

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Relevant Quote for the Episode:
“Alex just can’t resist conspiracy thinking…He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogeyman. He needs to be pretending to fight…” – Dan [59:15]

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Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Alert. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebodies.com. it's time to pray.

[Roger Stone]

I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Roger Stone]

Dan and George.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Roger Stone]

Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a Christian caller.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan.

[Roger Stone]

I love your word. Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes like to sit around worsh at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan Jordan, quick question for you. So what's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today I need your help with.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Because it begins with a question.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

What do you know about this guy, this cat, Post Malone. What do you know about this guy?

[Jordan]

I know about him.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I know nothing about him. He did the song for Spider man into the spider verse.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Which was my favorite movie maybe of all time. That's it. The end. That's all I know about Post Malone.

[Dan]

I recognize that he is a jerk. Giant star, super huge. But I also realized the other day I know nothing about him. Past a vibe.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I don't know what his music sounds like.

[Jordan]

He's got a vibe.

[Dan]

I have legitimately no idea. I assume he's a rapper, right?

[Jordan]

No, I think he's a singer guy. He's got a good voice.

[Dan]

I don't know anything. All right, so what prompted this is I was walking through the store and I saw that he had a new Oreo out. He had designed an Oreo.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

A Post Malone Oreo.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I was like, I've. I don't know what this Oreo is going to be like. I don't know what his music would lead me to think it would be like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so I got them because I wanted to try it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Now as I was staring at the packaging, I thought, wouldn't it be fun to listen to his music for the first time while I ate the Oreo? To have a full Post Malone experience.

[Jordan]

To just really post. To like make up for all the non Post Malone time by cramming as much Post Malone into as short a period of time as possible. And what, you were taking a test tomorrow on Post Malone? Well.

[Dan]

And what. What if, like, something about the Oreo is unlocked by the song?

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

Or the music? Maybe you have to understand it in order to get the cookie.

[Jordan]

We are just chemicals floating in space.

[Dan]

Yeah. So it didn't. It didn't help me understand the cookie at all. Not the cookie, no. I also am confused by his music. Seems like there's a little bit of country stuff going on. I have no idea. His vibe confuses me even further now.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

No idea what he's all about.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't.

[Dan]

I didn't dislike it or anything. I was just. I had nothing to grab onto.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the cookie is fine. It kind of tastes a little bit like a pancake with syrup.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

It's salted caramel and something or other. But it ends up tasting altogether a little bit like a pancake.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it's not awful, but it's, you know, it's. It's far from the worst Oreo.

[Jordan]

I'm. I'm. Here's where my head's at. Two places. One, is it Post Malorio or Postio Malone? Which do you prefer?

[Alex Jones]

Neither.

[Jordan]

Neither. Disappointed.

[Dan]

I will not think about it again after I am done with these Oreos, probably. And yeah, I don't know. It was a lot of Post Malone to take in one in one swing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

But I feel better for it.

[Jordan]

And it's. My second thing is celebrity branded foods. Now they're everywhere.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Too much.

[Dan]

Well, I think that I like it.

[Jordan]

You like?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

People used to have sh. I don't know what's better or worse, foods or shoes.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, there was forever. We've had, like, celebrity endorsed boozes.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Stuff.

[Jordan]

Oh, delightful.

[Dan]

But I like the idea of trying to associate, like, some snack with. With a face. Celebrity.

[Jordan]

Do you know what the one that gets me is?

[Dan]

The Nicholas Cage chips.

[Jordan]

No, but I need to have those.

[Dan]

I don't think they exist.

[Jordan]

Ah, shit.

[Dan]

No, there's this Nicholas Cage has his own rap snacks.

[Jordan]

Chippolis Cage. No, no. There's the YouTube guy, the Mr. Beast guy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's got the thing. And it's called a Feastable.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it makes me so angry because I keep being. It's. It's called a Mr. Beastable. Right. Like, what are we doing? How can you have feastable?

[Dan]

I tried one of those candy bars and I thought, what a waste. What a waste of, like, celebrity branding. It's not even. It's not taking a swing at Anything. It's just kind of boring.

[Jordan]

Just disgusting. Anyway, I hate it.

[Dan]

What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is we. We got my dog groomed. Not groomed to look good. Groomed to fix all of the horrible mistakes that we've made.

[Dan]

Oh, no, not as a spy.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no.

[Dan]

Parrot for a life of espionage.

[Jordan]

That's not how it worked. We didn't raise her from a child to stab things.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

No. And I was just feeling very grateful because my wife's mom can do that and Fanny needed it. She got mats in between her toes. Got that taken care of.

[Dan]

Hypermans running around on the ground all the time.

[Jordan]

And then we brought her donuts and I moved some stuff. Bartering, much better system.

[Dan]

Oh, I thought you meant you brought the dog donut.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. We brought my wife's mom some donuts. Bartering is a way better system.

[Dan]

Those potato donuts, perfect.

[Jordan]

Of course I can, I can get a lot of stuff for those potato donuts. Sure. Those are prison valuable. You know what I mean?

[Dan]

The only problem is like they don't hold too long. So when the collapse comes, you're going to have a good day. Yeah, if you have a stock of them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But then it depreciates quickly.

[Jordan]

It's a rough, it's a rough three day hike.

[Dan]

Your barter runs out of juice.

[Jordan]

If you, if you get six, you may have to eat it in a day and that's going to be bad for you.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Did you get all three dogs groomed up?

[Jordan]

Nope, just. Just the one who needed it.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And then the other two, they did a good job staying at home by themselves. We're all very happy. Oh, it's good stuff.

[Dan]

We're applauding that now.

[Jordan]

Yep. That's what I do.

[Dan]

I stay at home by myself all the time.

[Jordan]

That's what I do.

[Dan]

No one pats me on the back for it.

[Jordan]

I actually do pat you on the back for it.

[Dan]

For staying home.

[Jordan]

Yes, absolutely.

[Dan]

Oh, dude, you didn't pee on the rug.

[Jordan]

It's very nice of you not to pee on the rug.

[Dan]

Well, I'm considerate.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Now, we've been slowly progressing through the time after the inauguration. Our last episode, we talked about January 29th.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

What do you think we're doing today?

[Jordan]

I hope. Wait, was the 20 I'm going to go with. We're doing January 30th.

[Dan]

That's, that's an interesting theory that you have.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We are Doing that.

[Jordan]

Hey, but.

[Dan]

Oh, no, we're also doing the evening of the 29th because Alex did another show.

[Jordan]

No, he did not. He did.

[Dan]

So we're going to talk about the evening of the 29th and Alex's show on the 30th.

[Jordan]

Why?

[Dan]

I don't know. Well, I do know.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Roger Stone was available.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

So we'll get down to that here in a second. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Rhea and Rowdy in Portland. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next, Mike from Kansas. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Evil Noah. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix. Jordan. So thank you so much to Steve. I suggest we use Dan and Jordan to help inform the selection of our 90s cover band's less popular underground songs from groups like Built To Spill and Failure. If they mention a song, then we know there's a market for it. Thank you so much. You are now a policy technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

4 stars.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So I don't know about any Built To Spill or Failure songs.

[Jordan]

I've never. I will say this, just thinking about it, and I realized that I don't know any Built to Spill songs. And not because, like, they are in the genre that would be around the wheelhouse of somebody my age, 20 years ago, 30 years ago, or whatever, right? But I just hate the name. Built To Spill is a terrible name. I've just always hated it. So I don't listen to it.

[Dan]

It's something that you wouldn't want. Like, it's obviously a thing that is meant to hold something. I don't like the name Built to Fail in its purpose.

[Jordan]

I don't like the meaning of the words. I don't like the sounds the words make. They have a terrible mouth, like the beginning and the ending of the consonants. I don't like it.

[Dan]

I am not wholly unfamiliar with these bands.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

But if I were to have a 90s cover band and you were choosing songs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that one of the things you need to do is you need to give people songs that they don't know they want to hear, but they do.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One of these that I would. King of Wishful Thinking is one of them.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

People never know they want to hear that song, but they do when it starts playing. Oh, they're into it.

[Jordan]

People do enjoy it.

[Dan]

So that's my tip. King of Wishful Thinking.

[Jordan]

Of Wishful Thinking.

[Dan]

So here's an out of context drop from today's show.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, these are the times people say, you find out who you are in a crisis and holy shit, what the fuck's going on with Trump.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah, fair enough.

[Dan]

I mean, I agree we're coming at it from different angles, but I agree with Alex.

[Jordan]

That's a very. That's a very relatable statement to make. I. Yeah, I feel very seen.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So like I said, they did this. They did a Show on the 29th, and it's in the evening.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

No reason to do this, except Roger is available and there's JFK talk in the air.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

So I wanted to get Roger Stone on because everybody's like, where's the JFK files? Well, it takes 15 days under law, and Trump signed it nine days ago. The first day was in office, part of those hundreds of executive orders. So in the next five to six, seven days, they should start releasing it. Roger's an expert, he knows Trump well, and he already has a really good idea of what's in there. I'll leave it at that. He's going to give us a first look on this coming up in about 30 minutes.

[Dan]

So that's very exciting. We're doing a JFK teaser report with the expert Roger Stone.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Now we live in the future.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So we know what files were redacted or released six days after this, but it takes 15 days. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, what are we doing here? What. What is the point of electing the guy you elected if it's not to get rid of all those times whenever you'd be like, we have to do this. Ah, but it takes 15 days from the guy. That's the main thing you want him there to do is to make it so things don't take 15 days.

[Dan]

Right. And he already was in office and didn't do the thing that you want him to do. But he also feels bad about not Doing it last. He's gonna do it this time.

[Jordan]

How is it possible that Americans do not learn? That's amazing.

[Dan]

Well, ask Linda McMahon, nominee for the.

[Jordan]

It's about time.

[Dan]

Department of Education.

[Jordan]

We had a real leader in there.

[Dan]

So there's some other headlines to cover before Roger is on.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, just in the U.S. d a inspector general was physically removed from her office by federal security. Had refused to comply with Trump's firing, per Reuters. Trump's given his orders. They're not negotiable. You're fired. Get out. This is mutiny. And she's bragging how she did it, saying his actions are illegal. Obama, Reagan, the Clintons, they all fired these inspector generals that came around in the 70s. It's Congress trying to take over another branch of government. You don't see Congress law. It's insider trading, having a special general over them. Oh, no. And then they want inspector generals over the federal courts, Supreme Court. So that's the fox watching the hen house there.

[Dan]

So Alex is using his normal trick here, pretending that all presidents fire inspectors general, because he really needs to convince the audience that it's no big deal to replace all oversight bodies with loyalists and that that isn't a huge red flag. The IG of the usda, Phyllis Fong, was fired by Trump's new administration, and she refused to comply with the firing because she didn't believe that it had been done by proper legal channels. According to the law, she is entirely correct. You can't just fire IGs on a whim. If you could, there's basically no reason for them to exist. Fong wasn't arrested, but she was escorted out of her office. Interestingly, Fong's office investigated Elon's company, Neuralink, in 2022 over allegations of animal welfare violations in their testing of brain implants. The company had passed a series of inspections by the usda, but there were definite concerns about their treatment of animals. So the IG, Ms. Fong, was opening a review of the USDA's review itself. To be clear, it's very unlikely that Fong was fired in retribution for this. The USDA has pretty weak enforcement records, and even if Musk was held responsible for mistreating animals in his brain chip research, it would just come down to him paying a fine. I'm not bringing this up to use as, like, a reason to explain the firing, but to flesh out how Musk is a person with a ton of conflicts of interest and he shouldn't be anywhere near decisions relating to government oversight. Also, Fong is One of the IG's who are suing the government over their termination and will likely succeed in that suit because the law is pretty clear and it was violated.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that won't matter.

[Dan]

Maybe not, but no.

[Jordan]

It's like when I was fired by the coupon place. You know, it was against the law for him to do that. But then the choice at the end of that was either you can take the job back with a giant red X on your back waiting to have the. The hammer nailed into you, or you can just be fired. That's it. There's no real recourse there.

[Dan]

But that is recourse, I suppose.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, Alex, there's some news that is broken, and that is that Trump wants to put deported persons in Guantanamo Bay. Now, Alex has already celebrated El Salvador becoming a prison planet for immigrants. And this, this really. He shouldn't. He shouldn't have this tack.

[Alex Jones]

Now, Trump is also signing executive order to use Guantanamo Bay to hold over 30,000 illegal aliens that other third world countries won't take. That's a message to the Venezuelan gangs, the Colombian gangs. Oh, you think you won't get deported because your country won't tell you, we'll put your ass in Guantanamo Bay. And he's got Bukele in El Salvador about to make a deal to take him as well. That'll stop this dead in his tracks. That is real dad taking his belt off. Hardball.

[Dan]

So take everything else away from this story and just listen to this moment really closely.

[Alex Jones]

Executive order to use Guantanamo Bay to hold.

[Dan]

Alex can't fully hold in a laugh while reporting that Trump is going to send people he's deporting to Guantanamo Bay. Alex is laughing because his career grew out of exploiting one of the darkest pieces of modern US History, the detaining and torture of people at these prisons like Guantanamo. He's fighting back the laugh because he's come full circle where now he's the guy justifying rendition and this prison planet that he wants to build in El Salvador. He's laughing because he knows his audience is too far gone to care how obvious it is that his career has been a farce. He's the cheerleader for the very people that he made millions warning his listeners were coming. Trump claimed that he was gonna send just the hardened, the most hardened criminal immigrants to Guantanamo Bay. But unsurprisingly, that hasn't been the case. The folks who've been sent there so far are not even people with criminal records like a lot of them. And many have alleged mistreatment by guards, including beatings, refusal to access to showers, and not letting detainees speak to lawyers. NPR reported that some of them attempted a hunger strike. And it seems to me that this is a situation that can only get worse. And it's crystal clear. If you know anything about Alex and followed his career in any way, he knows better than to support this.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, yeah, this one's Obama's fault, though. I'm going to have to put this one on Obama. He said he was going to close it and then he didn't close it. That's. That's on him.

[Dan]

Sure, I guess.

[Jordan]

I mean, how is it not closed?

[Dan]

So there's one thing that there's no question about in the world. It's that Alex loves Elon.

[Jordan]

Yes, he does.

[Dan]

Everyone does. Yeah, the world does. And he deserves prizes for how good he is.

[Alex Jones]

We have Salman Rushdie getting a prize for free speech from the Nobel laureates. We've had Alexander Schultz and Nietzsche, Gulag Archipelago decades in a gulag for being anti communist. And then he came over here for a while and found out the same thing that Joseph McCarthy found out, that there were globalists in our country who actually created the communism over there. Communism didn't come from Russia. It came from the UK and the US not bashing our country. It's just a fact. And it's made a joke out of the Nobel Prizes now giving Henry Kissinger and Obama and all these scumbags peace prizes for starting wars. So giving Hitler a ADL Award or something. And they could, though, get their good name back at the Nobel Society of Philanthropy if they did do this. Elon Musk Nominated for Nobel Prize Peace Prize for Free Speech Advocacy Elon Musk has been nominated for the 2025 Nobel Prize for his stance on free speech. Slovenian Member of the European Parliament Branco Grooms put the name forward.

[Dan]

Wait, wait, wait. Who is that? Who nominated Elon for the prize? Was that a member of the European Parliament?

[Jordan]

I wasn't. Is it royalty? Isn't that royalty?

[Dan]

Might be.

[Jordan]

They're all very least, they're all royalty.

[Dan]

Unelected bureaucrats.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Weird.

[Dan]

That's strange that this guy. Anyway, Salman Rushdie, never won the Nobel Prize. Alex thinks he did because there was a fatwa declared on him over the Satanic Verses. But this didn't result in a Nobel Prize. Solzhenitsyn did win the Nobel Prize in 1970, but it was for literature. There isn't a defensive free speech category in the Nobel Academy, Alex. His examples are Two people who would be in the running for Nobel Prizes for Literature, which Elon definitely isn't going to get. This one guy nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is fine, but it's going nowhere. Elon's literally a giant war profiteer and Alex is a huge little worm. Huge little worm.

[Jordan]

Can't anybody nominate you for a peace prize?

[Dan]

Yeah, there's a bunch of people who are nominated.

[Jordan]

You could just, like, fucking right out the gate.

[Dan]

I don't know if you could.

[Jordan]

Why not? I demand the power to nominate for peace prizes.

[Dan]

You know how it's like, you have to be this tall to ride this ride.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

The European royalty from Europe. European Parliament membership is. You have to be that tall.

[Jordan]

This is. This is what Alex is saying. You're all about the unelected bureaucrats.

[Dan]

I may be, but it's mostly out of not knowing who can nominate somebody.

[Jordan]

That's fair. Point.

[Dan]

I think that you have to have made a movie to be nominated for an Oscar.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

So you have to have no peace to be.

[Dan]

Hold on. In order to be nominated for an Academy Award.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Someone in the Academy has to nominate you.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

I mean, I assume something like that.

[Dan]

That's how it goes.

[Jordan]

I have no idea.

[Dan]

So someone who's connected to the NOBE group somehow has to nominate.

[Jordan]

Gotcha. Okay.

[Dan]

Just be you.

[Jordan]

That makes more sense.

[Dan]

You have to. You have to apply.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, I get that's. You know, that's the problem with the Nobel Peace Prize is that, you know, with literature, you got to write a book. Those are the rules.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You just gotta.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's no, like, negotiation on what if I just didn't write a book and I just really felt like a good book. No negotiation Peace Prize. Anybody could win that shit.

[Dan]

It's vague. And I think that, you know, Alex's criticism of, you know, people who have supported wars getting peace prizes just kind of cheapen the value of it.

[Jordan]

That doesn't help.

[Dan]

But that doesn't mean that all of them are bad. Like, all Nobel award winners are bad.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I don't know. So Roger Stone comes around and he's. He's there to talk about the JFK stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

And he know. He knows Trump very well that I tried to kill at least twice we know of. He's got a very good idea on what's about to come out. Also Trump's view on it, and people are saying why. Hasn't been released yet. It's an executive order. 15 days to develop the plan. To release it and then more on the rfk, MLK and more. But first off, Roger, you've got the floor wherever you want to go. The dizzying successes, the enemy off balance, how are they going to strike back? Let's not get too confident.

[Dan]

Yeah. So this is a nice benefit to being in the future. Like, Alex is really trying his best to keep the audience strong along that Trump is about to blow the JFK thing wide open. But it takes 15 days. Patience, everyone. Well, we're more than 15 days in the future from this and these files have not been released. I don't particularly care if these files are released because most folks who know a lot more about it than me are pretty clear that there's no bombshells waiting to be revealed. If they release everything, fine. If it stalls forever, that's not ideal, but fine. The worst thing possible for Alex is if the files are released and it's a dud. So that's the outcome. He definitely doesn't want to. The good news is that all of this is a game. So when Trump says that he's going to release stuff, then doesn't, it's because of the 15 day holding period when that time runs out, if nothing's released, then, oh no, the globalists left behind in the government are meddling with the release. If Trump does release everything and it's a disappointment, oh no, the globalists hid the real documents to make Trump look bad. It doesn't matter what happens. Reality is going to be bent to conform to the narrative that Alex is invested in pushing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, great. They should. It would be, it would be better. Here's my pitch. All right. Don't actually release the real shit. Nobody would ever believe that. What you do, you release a JFK dick pic and say that's why you haven't released it, Everybody be like, oh yeah, that makes perfect sense. We'd all move on.

[Dan]

Especially if it's like bigger than lbj.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, nobody's dick is bigger than lbj. That's just a scientific fact.

[Dan]

But see, that's why it would have never released.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's why Jay LBJ murdered him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Murdered him for the dick. This tale as old as time.

[Dan]

This would make sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Unsatisfying for some conspiracy theorists probably, but.

[Jordan]

I think, I think it would probably be the most satisfying answer for everybody.

[Dan]

So Roger is on. I don't really care about the JFK stuff. It's well trod material between them. He's written a book on it. Who cares?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

What I'M more interested in is revealing some details about Roger and Alex's relationship.

[Alex Jones]

And you're the expert of experts. I mean, I'm not just saying that. He's not just an expert on politics. He's JFK. That's how I first met him, like, 14 years ago and then again 12 years ago. And he said, hey, Trump's getting ready to run, you know. You know, 10 years ago. And that's how I got on board. He said, this is a real deal. He's totally dialed in. We had meetings, but leave it at that. Hey, Roger recruited me in, and I was literally sitting there thinking about it. My son Rex says, no, dad, you need to do it. This is like, before Trump, he was going. But the point is, let's just stop here and finish up with all the news, what he's done, what's coming next.

[Dan]

We've always known this, but I'm not sure I've ever heard Alex say that. So clearly, Roger recruited Alex to the Trump campaign. Essentially, this makes the entire time that Alex was coming to Trump incredibly dishonest. Behind the scenes, he and Roger were having what amounts to negotiations to get Alex to support Trump, while Alex was pretending to cover the primary and the election. The first time that Alex interviewed Roger is a complete. Like, it's a suspicious event in this context. And Roger getting Trump to come on Alex's show is clearly part of a deal that they struck. There's a negotiation here. Yeah, that's really messed up.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The only reason Roger showed up there was to sign the agreement. Right. They must like, hey, okay, we pay you this exact amount. Roger fucking Rat fucking Stone.

[Dan]

Let's take money slightly out of the equation because maybe that's not the case. Maybe it's access. Sure, he's going to win. And none of these other people are going to take you seriously. Alex, you can cash in on this.

[Jordan]

Not one.

[Dan]

You'll have the appearance of proximity to power boy.

[Jordan]

At the end of this, Alex is going to realize that Roger Stone rat fucked him too. He's just. It's just a matter of time before you realize that Roger Stone rat fucked you.

[Dan]

But it's pretty crazy to, like, imagine that the Alex would have no qualms with, like, saying this in front of the audience. You know, like, Roger recruited me.

[Jordan]

Maybe nobody. Maybe there's just nobody listening. Maybe it is all robots talking to each other.

[Dan]

I don't think anybody could have been listening during that 2015 section and hear Alex say this now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And not think, oh, wow, that's shady shit that was going on back then.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're talking about how you know about Trump's history. And he's a mob boss, he's a frontman for consortiums on the east coast, and then mysteriously, all of your tune changes and all the stories are different. Yeah, it's. It's. I don't know.

[Jordan]

It's probably one of those things where, like, you can just believe now. See, what you got to do is you got to learn how to read. Even he teaches you that. You have to learn how to read between the lines, make stuff up whenever reality doesn't conform to what you believe. So even for them, they're like, oh, well, yeah, Alex has to say that, because this conspiracy. So it all just gets wrapped up in another conspiracy.

[Dan]

I get that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But God told him the future, like, that didn't start in 2016. He didn't get magical psychic powers when he decided to join up with Trump. Like, he's had that since he was a kid.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's tough. It's tough. Harry Potter can't be wrong if he's, like, doing the weather, right, because he's.

[Dan]

I don't think so.

[Jordan]

He's magic.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You got to get it right if it's magic.

[Dan]

He should. He should. So they talk a bit about Trump, and they say something I think is dumb.

[Roger Stone]

And I can just tell you that something dramatically changed about him right after the events at Butler, Pennsylvania. A serenity came over him. A sureness, a strength, a total recognition that his life had been spared by God for a greater purpose. You know, Nixon was deeply religious, but he would never talk about his religion because as a Quaker, he'd been taught by his mother that this was a private matter. And Trump was always a believer, but he was never comfortable talking about the Almighty because he didn't think it was a political matter. But that all changed in Butler, Pennsylvania.

[Dan]

This is a cute story, but that's a load of shit. Trump was fully exploiting religion for political purposes through his entire run back to 2015. He knew that the evangelical base was one of his best hopes. So you saw him do all those staged photos with the prosperity gospel preachers like Paula White Cane praying over him. You saw him do that photo op at the church near the Capitol where he held the Bible upside down. All that shit was before Butler. And Roger knows that. He also knows that that, like, Road to Damascus moment is a really powerful trope in evangelical circles. So he's writing that legend for the followers to apply onto Trump that, like, oh, he had the brush with death and that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there's really no evangelical movement that doesn't require a constant updating of the time that you really came to Jesus.

[Dan]

Mean it this time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, the last few times you came to Jesus, those were pretty important. But this one, this was a revelation.

[Dan]

And that explains why he was holding the Bible upside down before.

[Jordan]

That does.

[Dan]

He was a baby.

[Jordan]

He was putting his fingers crossed behind his back.

[Dan]

Right. But then he got shot.

[Jordan]

Well, because that's real religion.

[Dan]

And then he means it.

[Jordan]

You don't even know if you mean it until you mean it, and that's when you know you mean it. So even if you did mean it before, you didn't mean it because you didn't know you mean it.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And when people say they mean it, I. You got to take a word for it. And when Roger Stone says that you.

[Jordan]

Mean it, it's true.

[Dan]

That means something.

[Jordan]

Scientific fact.

[Dan]

So we jump to the next day because I don't care. LBJ did it because he did it because of the dicks.

[Jordan]

It's true. It's true.

[Dan]

And so on the 30th, there's some news that's broken, and that is that a plane crashed into a helicopter over the D.C. airport. And so Alex knows he needs to address this.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

Again, it is Thursday, January 30, 2025. The first major challenge to the new Trump administration took place last night over Washington, D.C. at Ronald Reagan International Airport, when a U.S. military Blackhawk flew into the flight path of the airport and a landing aircraft that had authorization to land and had control of the airspace. And we have the flight logs, we have the FAA tower reports. We have it all here. And they were telling the helicopter that they were in danger and to stop the path they were on. And right now, it looks like something went on on the helicopter. We don't know. But instantly last night after the Blackhawk collided into the American Airlines flight, 63 people on board, three soldiers on helicopter. No survivors. Reagan Airport closed. Airline CEO blames Army. TRUMP blames Biden. Well, here's the facts. This stuff happens in a complex, crazy world.

[Dan]

That's sad, that's amazing that those are the facts.

[Jordan]

Are those all the facts?

[Dan]

This response should be all anyone needs to understand that Alex is a piece of shit and a liar. He's the king of suspicion. Everything is a conspiracy until proven not to be. Or at least that's how things go when there's an advantage in it for him to position himself against the power structure. Take for example, all the things that happened when Biden was in office, like the Key Bridge collapse in Baltimore or the hurricanes, Helen and Milton. Those were immediately suspicious and likely false flags. Maybe even weather weapons were being used here. An accident at a bridge and two natural disasters were reported on in such a way that you could create blame that could be assigned to the Biden administration and the globalists and the government as a whole. But now Trump is in charge. They've all made a big deal out of ending DEI practices. And one of the main areas that the right wing media has agitated about this, in terms of pilots and air traffic controllers, they've gotten their way and we see a big airline crash in basically the first week of Trump being in office. In this situation, Alex has two choices. One option is to say that the Deep State did this attack in order to make Trump look bad or something. The globalists knew that Trump was trying to clean up the faa, so they did this false flag in order to derail that. This option helps deflect from Trump having to take any responsibility, but it also introduces some liabilities. For one, a bunch of people died in the crash. So Alex needs to decide if they were real people or not. If not, he's in danger of getting into the crisis actor storylines and risking more lawsuits. But if he does say that they're real, then he needs to accept that Trump is so out of control with his own administration that the remaining Deep State folks are murdering civilians in plane crashes and he can't do anything about it. There aren't a lot of good outcomes for him down this path, which is why he seems to be taking the second path. This is the path where he just accepts that the world is complicated and sometimes bad things happen and no one planned them to be that way. It's an explanation that would suffice for the majority of the news that Alex ever covers, but then pretends are false flags, which is why it's strange to hear him use this approach here. Alex does not want Trump and Musk's power to be questioned, so his instinct towards suspicion just kind of disappears here when it would be an overdrive. If Biden was still in office, there would be an elaborate story to be told about this.

[Jordan]

Hey, what you gonna do? You know, sometimes planes just crash into Blackhawk military choppers. That happens.

[Dan]

This happens in a complex society all the time.

[Jordan]

Why are you complaining about it, you idiot? What is it? This is like a regular occurrence. You can't even shit on a military base without an exploding Blackhawk Helicopter.

[Dan]

Look, there are bad things that happen, and I accept that life's bad. I accept that as an explanation and something that I could hear from another human being who I would interact with socially.

[Jordan]

The penguins. On the climate. It's terrible what happens to the penguins. And that's just like this, you know, Life is just crazy and unpredictable. Well, you'll never know.

[Dan]

Well, hold on. I think, I think like, you know, sometimes a train goes off the tracks.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And it's an accident.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

Sometimes a train goes off the tracks and it's because no one has kept up the infrastructure.

[Jordan]

Could be.

[Dan]

I think that those are two different things. But at the same time, neither is like, hey, someone planned to derail this train.

[Jordan]

Sure. But you don't know if maybe a giant grabbed it with its big hands and then put it off the train and then created a fake, like little crash scene to hide up their giants tracks. See, you can never trust anything. The world's crazy. There's just no way to know what makes anything happen.

[Dan]

I don't accept, I don't accept. Alex's like, his worldview is like, oh, you call me a conspiracy theorist, I call you a coincidence theorist.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So you don't get to play this card now. The complex world, shit, it's a little late. Yeah, yeah. So he has to be pretty defensive about this. And I, I'm. I was just very surprised with the angle he decided to take.

[Alex Jones]

Air travel is, depending on the country, on average, about 20 times safer than automobiles.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

But it's not as glamorous when people are chewed up and wounded and dead on the highway. And by glamorous, I mean it's so commonplace that it doesn't get people's attention. And of course, when you do have an air disaster, it's has a much higher rate of fatality because you're moving faster and you're high up in the air generally. So our hearts go out to all those that died. But before we knew anything, last night, I have the timestamps right here, the entire corporate media came out and blamed Donald Trump, Elon Musk and Doge for simply stating the fact that the majority of federal employees rarely ever go to work and do almost nothing unless they're like the border patrol who bust their ass. I've seen it. That's a hard job. Customs people, that's a hard job. So the law enforcement angle works their butt off, but the bureaucrats, the bureaucracy, I mean, across the board, there's whole studies and governmental and corporate grading of it. But it's a joke, and we all know that. And Trump is demanding they come back to work and that if they won't work or secretly had another job, they're going to be fired, obviously, and probably criminally charged. He said that last night, and that's true. So cutting the waste in, fraud and abuse out did not cause this. They haven't even gotten to it yet.

[Dan]

So I think it's very striking how defensive Alex is about this story, and I think I understand why. I'm pretty sure that Alex understands a real serious problem is like. Like there's a bunch of them that Trump and Musk's plans are going to cause sure things, like greater incidents of plane crashes, foodborne illness outbreaks, predatory scams being carried out on consumers. These are some of the fruit of what the government is doing right now. It's going to end happening. Alex believes the ends justify the means here, but he also knows that the means involve common people getting hurt in really bad ways that he can't defend. He wants what's on the other side of this, sure, but he does not want to take responsibility for the path that leads there.

[Jordan]

Right. Well, I mean, just because when they put seat belts in, people stopped flying through their windshield so much doesn't mean that seat belts led to people not flying through their windshields. You can't prove that.

[Dan]

It's a complex and mysterious world.

[Jordan]

Never understand it. Never understand it.

[Dan]

So as these consequences start happening, he's going to be in a position of minimizing these things, carrying water for and justifying the powers that be, because he believes that doing so furthers the larger good goal, which I guess is colonizing space with white people. The Associated Press reported that the staffing at the airport on the day of the crash was not normal and that one air traffic controller was doing the work of two people. Complicating matters, Elon Musk had called on the head of the FAA to resign around when Trump was inaugurated. He did so, but there's no clear replacement. It might be Chris Rushlow, who's an interim administrator. But Reuters reported on January 30, the day of this episode of Alex's show, quote, the FAA for 10 days had, has declined to say who is running the agency on an acting basis. Michael Whitaker was the previous FAA head who quit when Trump came into office. That's not that crazy of a thing to happen. And replacing him would have been fine in the changing from one administration to another. One of the reasons this is messy, though, is because in 2022, the FAA imposed fines on Elon's company, Starlink, for, quote, violations of safety protocol. Musk claimed that the FAA was harassing him. And then he was fined again in 2024, directly by Whitaker for, quote, alleged violations of its government license in two rocket launches. According to the Guardian, there's no way to know exactly what's going on in people's heads. Heads. But these circumstances represent another massive conflict of interest for Musk being anywhere near the levers of power for the government. He has immense personal interest in making these bodies unable to operate, because when they work correctly and in the public interest, he gets fined a ton of money. Alex understands all this. And his career is supposed to be based on fighting against the unelected bureaucrats who had outsized power in our government. He spent his whole life yelling about George Soros, and yet here he stands, making his career entirely about defending Elon Musk. And Alex knows how bad this looks, to the point where he's willing to call something a coincidence. Yeah, it's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, it is. It is one of those things where it's like they're going after that shit and it's. The regulations weren't even that tight. Like, it's just one of those pieces of evidence of like. Like, either go hard against them or you might as well not even have it, because they're going to try, and the SEC hasn't really affected the stock market in a million years, and yet they're still going to try and destroy you. You know, like, it doesn't matter if it's weak capture or strong capture, just that you exist at all is a check on their power is what makes them hate you. You know, it has nothing to do with how much you do against them or not.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

You know what it just dawned on me is like, Alex is calling this a coincidence.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dan]

That's insane.

[Jordan]

It's coincidence.

[Alex Jones]

You know what? I know. I just.

[Dan]

I. I just realized that Elon has Alex's Twitter dms.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Very weird.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Coincidence.

[Dan]

I think that there's some bad stuff in there.

[Jordan]

There's reasons to kill JFK in there. That's all I'm saying.

[Dan]

I bet. I bet that might be a simple, simple explanation for Alex's throwing his entire career away in order to defend Elon Musk. Anyway, Trump has a belief that DEI caused the crash.

[Alex Jones]

But Trump just came out a few minutes ago and press conference is still ongoing and blames DEI for weakening FAA and aftermath of Reagan national plane crash and Sounds true. That's true. That DEI and corporate corruption at Boeing and other areas in the studies has really caused the massive increase of problems and bad service and breakdowns and disasters and near collisions, mid air collisions going way up. And this idiot FAA official that said we're going to hire schizophrenics. I mean seriously. And people that see pink elephants, I remember that broke a few years ago and I said, is that even real? And sure as hell it was him. And hearings like, yep, we're hiring mentally ill people. They deserve to fly planes too.

[Dan]

I have no idea why Alex would be worried about people who see pink elephants flying planes. He sees demons. And he's allowed to do a radio show, which I think is probably infinitely more dangerous to the general population. Maybe the P elephants are interdimensional flying assistants that only the really good pilots can see. Like who's Alex? To judge another person's hallucinations, that's not cool. So in the real world, the FAA did not say like they want people with active hallucinations to be able to fly planes. There's a long standing problem with the FAA where pilots were afraid to utilize mental health resources that could be available to them because doing so could risk their job. There was a culture of silence that had grown around mental health issues in the field where if you admitted that you wanted to or were seeking treat depression or anxiety, you could risk losing your livelihood. That created an atmosphere where people were suffering but were afraid to get help. In 2023, the National Transportation Safety Board held a summit called Navigating Mental Health and Aviation that was meant to explore this dynamic and see what could be done to better serve people's needs. In response to this conversation, the FAA began to make moves to broaden their rules about mental health treatment by making guidelines that better address the actual situation pilots are in. The hope is to destigmatize manageable mental health conditions and get appropriate help for people who are experiencing conditions that would make it actually unsafe for them to fly. Previously, the system relied on self reporting by pilots and by reports filed by the aviation medical examiners. The AME had a list of conditions that they were required to report which put a person at risk of being grounded. In 2024, the AME empowered their doctors to rely on their own judgment when it came to a list of conditions including generalized anxiety disorder, situational anxiety, social anxiety disorder, postpartum depression, situational depression, obsessive Compulsive disorder, PTSD, and some general categories for unspecific anxiety and depression. This is the real world version of what Alex wants to attack. The other end of it is that the FAA doesn't discriminate in hiring based on disability status. And that was clear in their posted MA in sections around dei.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

This is about the Aviation Development Program, which requires that, quote, participants meet the same qualifications as any other applicant. People with disabilities can receive a schedule, Schedule one application. But this isn't just like a shortcut to any job. You still need to be qualified for the job you apply for and able to do what the job entails. The issue here is that Alex just strongly supports discrimination, and that's what's at the core of all of his messaging.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. That's Such, like that brutalist 50s logic that sticks with us to this day. Oh, you're depressed. You can't fly. You'll try and fly the plane into a building. Just. Nope, done. So everybody has to be quiet about it forever and lock it up inside until they want to fly a plane into a building.

[Dan]

I feel like there's some sort of catch that this is similar to, but I don't remember which one.

[Jordan]

I haven't read books before.

[Dan]

No, books are evil.

[Jordan]

You know, it's just a coincidence that books have words in them. That's what I've heard.

[Dan]

So you know, Alex had Roger on yesterday. And, you know, what do you know? Trump listened.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And he loved it.

[Jordan]

Loved it. He loved it.

[Alex Jones]

He's doing those gaggles where he stops with reporters. I mean, I can't even keep track of it. And it is exhilarating, but also exhausting. And then he's got time to watch me and Roger last night and call us up and tell us how much he likes the show and invite us to the White House for dinner. Soon it was already big news when other people called, said, hey, come to Mar Lago. What do you want to come to the White House? That was just people in his operation. I just mentioned. It came a big top news story yesterday. Oh, my God, the evil Alex Jones. And. And again, I haven't really pushed that or even asked for that stuff because I don't want Alex Jones, you know, to be a diversion. But at the end of the day, from the overall agenda, it's also a litmus test to say, screw you guys, we're pardoning all the J6ers. Screw you guys. What you did to Alex Jones was made up, exhib, exaggerated. He didn't do anything. We're not buying into your crap anymore. Yeah, Adan wrote about it and Drudge took it as the top story. It was just my phone was ringing off the hook and I'm just like, I guess that elicited Trump to come watch the show and then say he liked it. And Roger saying, yeah, I just talked to Trump. He says the stuff they're declassifying proves the CIA, you know, was involved killing Kennedy. And then I got millions and millions of views, like 10 million views on the clip. Clip from the show. And I saw people commenting, where's the proof? What's your source? And I've got, you know, Bloomberg going, what's your source? You've been invited to the White House. It's like, come on, people.

[Dan]

Come on, people. So the only thing that I think is really actually important about that clip is that Alex said that the night before Roger was doing this episode with him, and then a Don Salazar wrote about it and it went on Drudge.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Now that reveals one thing to me, and that is that a Don Salazar is still working at Infowars. That's crazy.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Who is paying him?

[Dan]

Because, I mean, like, if you. If you know anything about the path through the Sandy Hook stuff, you could easily scapegoat him.

[Jordan]

I mean, he is just slid under the radar somehow.

[Dan]

He is probably him and Rob Duke could have a competition for who was the most energetically pursuing the crisis actor. Shit. Yeah, but Adon Salazar was a hu. Part of the problem. And him trying to get Drudge to cover their stories is even another part of what the big problem was.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's no good.

[Dan]

So the fact that we're here in 2025 and Adon Salazar is still working at Infowars is. Is nuts.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It kind of tells you how devalued the written word is. You know, people don't even care enough that it's your fault that the whole thing started.

[Dan]

Or at very least it's like, hey, I. You suck at this.

[Alex Jones]

You.

[Dan]

You're bad. You get me in trouble.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I can throw you overboard.

[Jordan]

What are you gonna do? Come on, back to work. What does it take to get fired in terms of, like, failure? Like, there's no job performance issues. There's only just like, well, he said I'm a prick. Gotta get rid of him.

[Dan]

I don't know. I mean, I think probably not liking Alex might get you fired.

[Jordan]

I mean, in all honesty, you could.

[Dan]

Probably standing up for yourself.

[Jordan]

Adam Salazar and company failed so hard. The entire business is gone and they're still working there.

[Dan]

Probably working for Chase now. Over at Alex Jones live.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's probably. That's job security.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex realizes that maybe he was talking a lot at a school about getting invited to the White House and stuff. So he realizes he's gotta. He's gotta.

[Jordan]

Maybe he should walk that back.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

But he's gotta bring it back to the center.

[Jordan]

Well. Wow.

[Alex Jones]

And. And I mean, I don't even have time to barely eat dinner with my 7 year old daughter or wife. I'm eating dinner like once a week with them now. And they understand. I. I barely have time to see my parents. My dad's been sick. I still get over there once or twice a week because history's happening now. I have to do this. So the left all thinks I'm like somebody that wants to be in the cool club. And ooh, let's all make a big story and put pressure on Trump to stop him from having Alex Jones around. Around. That'll just make Trump send a jet to get me. Just in case you don't know. Okay. So.

[Roger Stone]

So.

[Alex Jones]

And I don't even want to make myself the big story. I could definitely make myself the big story. I could be hanging out at the White House all day. But that gets in the way of Elon that has moved into the White House, into the Lincoln Bedroom and is running Doge out of bit. Working 20 hours a day at least. The guy sleeps like two hours a day.

[Dan]

He.

[Alex Jones]

He's not there so he can act powerful. He already is. He's there to make sure the mission gets done. So, no, I don't need to be hanging around the White House distracting people. I'll continue at my post. Attacking now. I'll go up if he really keeps pushing it. And have dinner with him. He and I and Roger have a private dinner. That's what he wants to do. Great. I'll do that. But the left does understand. I want to dominate you and stop you and crush you. You. You lying scum that have tried to destroy my country and my family. That's my mission. That's the brass ring. That's the focus. Nothing else even compares. And I like eating dinner with my wife and daughter and playing board games. I like going on hikes with my adult children. I like going to seeing movies and comedy clubs and eating fine steak dinners. It's all been put on the side because the war for the future destiny of humanity is now and we're winning. And I'm not about to sit on the sidelines and rest on my laurels and think, we got this in the Bag. Not until their entire globalist transhumanist death cult's been dismantled. Not until the New World Order is in chains.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

And then I'll take some time off.

[Dan]

Alex has taken multiple vacations in the last few months. His show is basically just him taking time off because he doesn't prepare at all and he just rants about dumb shit he saw on Twitter for a job. I'm conflicted about this Trump dinner thing because I don't know why Trump wouldn't associate with Alex at this point. Yeah, Alex is super embarrassing, but Trump's hanging out with Musk. He made RFK the head of hhs, and he recently made dipshit radio host Dan Bongino the deputy director of the FBI. There's no reason that Trump should think that it would be a negative for him to hang out with Alex. At the same time, Alex's whole thing about not wanting to be the cool guy hanging out with Trump is complete bullshit. He would trip over his feet if Trump or Musk offered him an audience with them anytime. Because the association with power is basically all Alex has left other than a social media account at this point. Consider the fact that the only reason this conversation is even happening on a public radio show is that Alex needed to brag about how Trump allegedly called him after the show with Roger the night before. Alex didn't need to reveal that information, but he did it because it made him look like a big boy. All of this rant is really just Alex's internal struggle between his desperate need to be associated with the other cool kids and his awareness that his brand requires him to be above that kind of vanity and how those two things are deeply at odds with each other.

[Jordan]

You think. You think Adrian Dittman could be deputy treasurer? I think we've got that. I think that's available.

[Dan]

I think. I think Musk would call him, like, the Master of Coin.

[Jordan]

Totally. Yeah. I think that's. I think that's the way you go.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it's dork ass titles.

[Jordan]

Especially if he's not real. That's the best way to do it. You hire somebody, call him Adrian Ditman. Move on with our lives. He doesn't even have a South African accent. That would make it perfect.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

You hear him talking and he's like, ah, I've been deputy treasurer before. You know, you'd be like, ah, I think he's Elon.

[Dan]

What we did is we plugged in all of the intelligence of passive Treasury Department folks.

[Jordan]

That's the trick.

[Dan]

And we have Created a super treasurer chatgptreasurer.

[Jordan]

There we go. Did it.

[Dan]

Did minute.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

So Alex, he's gone with a conspiracy coincidence angle on the plane crash.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But maybe. Maybe there's something.

[Jordan]

Come on. There's something suspicious there. Come on.

[Alex Jones]

Everybody understands this. We have new listeners all the time. I want to be very clear. Within 30 minutes, the corporate media was blaming Trump and Elon Musk and then Hexath saying they made cuts. Trump made cuts that haven't been implemented yet. Judges are trying to block it. As you know, it'll get overturned. Blaming them for this when they didn't even know what happened. And now we know they had fully staffed air traffic controllers. The passenger plane, American Airlines, with all the figure skaters, Russian American coming in, was authorized, doing its job, had control of the airspace. It was their airspace. And the tower was saying to the helicopter, you're gonna crash. You're coming into a collision. And we have the video of their telemetry screens as they record all that released with an out hours. So it was the helicopter. We don't know what happened yet, but it had nothing to do with problems at the faa. It was a malfunction. Wait, somebody hacked the helicopter? That can happen. I. I'm speculating, but it was the helicopter.

[Dan]

So within 30 minutes of the Sandy Hook shooting, Alex blamed Obama and the gun grabbers. Within 30 minutes of Hurricane Helene, Alex blamed Biden. His claim that the media blaming Musk and Trump isn't even true. But if we pretend that it is, he has no leg to stand on. He's just doing defensive spin instead of what he usually does, which is attacking spin, smearing his imaginary enemies by exploiting tragedies. As far as what Trump did or didn't do, part of the problem is that the chaos he's causing makes it very difficult to tell exactly what effects are due to what. For instance, a few days after getting into office, Trump offered all federal workers the option of a deferred resignation, where they could quit and then continue to get paid for about the next nine months. It's unclear what level of staffing changes that could have caused. Also, Trump put in place a hiring freeze, which has been challenged by the courts, but it also obviously had some effect. Reporters who have looked into it aren't sure if the freeze itself applied to air traffic controllers, because that's not spelled out. Add to that the absence of an acknowledged head of the faa, and you kind of see how this is. You're unable to solve any problems that might come come up. The media wasn't saying that Trump's actions caused the crash. In fact, here's what PBS said, quote, Trump, in his first week in office, did announce sweeping personnel changes, including a hiring freeze. But aviation experts said there was little that Trump did that could have precipitated the crash between a commercial jet from Wichita, Kansas, and a military Black Hawk helicopter. There simply was too little time, less than 10 days after Trump was sworn in, for any of his broadly worded executive orders to have an effect. Expert said Alex is seeing people on social media blaming Trump for the crash and then just pretending that's what the media is saying. And that makes a lot of sense. Alex considers himself to be the media, and all he does is scroll through Twitter. So every other idiot on Twitter is the media to him. Yeah, like, journalism doesn't exist as a concept. Yeah, he's just getting mad at Twitter and other dipshits on social media. Like, who knows who any of these people are that he's mad about what they post.

[Jordan]

I. You know, okay, so here's the problem with this, right? You can't. You can't prove it yourself that it's not the FAA's fault, because you already said it's black people at the FAA who aren't good at their jobs. Right. So you can't be like, oh, it turns out it's not the FFA, the FAA's fault. Because then you're just. You're obviously a racist. You immediately went, ah, it's black people. And then you're like, hey, guys, it's not our fault. Like, so it's. If it is your fault, it's black people, since it's not your fault, it's not our fault.

[Dan]

Well, it's a. It's a complicated place for Alex to find his racist mind.

[Jordan]

It's coincidence.

[Dan]

And, you know, that's why you start off this path with, like, maybe the world is complicated and things happen and, you know, accidents. Accidents happen. And you dig around a little more and you're like, you know what? Maybe I can swing it this ball after all. Maybe I can make something out of this.

[Jordan]

Not even your racism is genuine, man. Dark, dark days.

[Dan]

So we end up with, maybe someone hacked the helicopter.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

That's probably what happened.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Alex Jones]

And for decades, all the Blackhawks, all the commercial aircraft have systems that aren't just autopilot, but can be remotely accessed by the airline lines. And that's in the documents. Bush talked about it right at 9 11. They. They. She shut up about it real quick. Well, if you have those systems, somebody can hack into them or they can malfunction. And a lot of experts, and I've got the articles and reports here are saying, let's investigate that. We're not saying that's it. I'm saying it should be looked at because it makes no sense that just. Here comes this helicopter. Let me just fly over one of the most busy airports in the world. World with bunch of runways with two different large aircraft coming in with their landing lights on. Let me just fly right in front of that big, giant aircraft with huge lights all over it. That. That's how. When you're in a helicopter. You ever been in a helicopter, folks? I mean, you see everything. So here, let's just go. I mean, you don't get near an airport, like full frontal telling them, you know, way out where you're coming from. And I'm telling you, helicopters don't get priority over big airliners, planners. None of this makes sense. But what does it have to do with Trump?

[Dan]

So Alex just can't resist conspiracy thinking. His angle's supposed to be that accidents happen because that's the correct defensive position for Trump and Musk. But he knows that's boring. He yearns for the elaborate plot and the boogeyman. He needs to be pretending to fight like he can't get out of his own way. And that's something I think is really interesting about this episode as. As just sort of a snapshot is like you can almost feel him talking himself into like, can we put some garlic in this?

[Jordan]

Gotta be there. It's not a coincidence.

[Dan]

We gotta season this.

[Jordan]

I know it's my job to say it's a coincidence, but I just can't.

[Dan]

It's the most expedient route to get Trump and Musk off the hook. And that's why my instinct is to go this direction, but my muscles won't allow it.

[Jordan]

You know what's crazy is that if you're asking Alex to do that, you're right, wrong. Of course he's going to turn a conspiracy into it. Right. It's just that Alex himself is forcing himself to try the beginning part where he's like, nah, it was just a coincidence, and then just can't do it. Like, if he had a boss who said, don't do the coincidence or do the coincidence thing, he wouldn't be able to do it. You would be a bad boss for even asking him to. Yeah, he's a bad boss to himself.

[Dan]

Well, I think it's a cycle of oppositional Defiance.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Because he gets on Twitter and he sees people saying like, oh, Trump caused this plane crash or whatever. And then he's like, ah, that's what the media is saying. And so then he needs to have a knee jerk reaction to that. Sure, if it were Biden in office, it would be. No, Biden did this on purpose. It's a false flag or whatever. It's very simple. But he's like, ah, shit. That path on the tree, the logic tree doesn't work because Trump is in office and he's already taken over all of the globalist infrastructure and all this. So what do I do if accidents.

[Jordan]

Happen, man, if it's not black people, I don't know what caused it.

[Dan]

Accidents happen. But then as he starts talking down that route, his oppositional defiance to himself kicks in.

[Jordan]

Got to do it.

[Dan]

And he has to, he has to talk himself into a conspiracy.

[Jordan]

Conspiracy.

[Alex Jones]

Interesting how the media was ready to really jump on this within 30 minutes. And I've said the globalists could hack and take out the power grid. Grid, Turn off the energy grid, blame it on Trump once he got in. I said cyber attacks. I mean, I've been predicting that. I'm not saying that's what this is. But you don't normally see Blackhawk crews just decide to go on a, you know, unscheduled flight through some of the most busy airspace in the world, Right over one of the most busy airports in the world with a whole bunch of airplanes coming in for landings. And you don't get anywhere around those unless you're authorized and already have a plan to be landing there. Usually file it long before.

[Dan]

So all of this is like building a case he's talking himself into. It's not a coincidence.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Accidents don't happen.

[Jordan]

No, this is him trying to be like, no, I never said anything about Sandy Hook. I never said that there were questions. I mean, I have questions. There are tons of questions. Have you seen any of that shit? Not didn't happen at all. There's so many anomalies, it takes 10 seconds.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's just he can't not.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

And so he tries to defend this a little bit. And some of the cornerstone is like this idea that the media all said Trump, what did it right. But he fails. He just falls right on his face.

[Alex Jones]

And here's some articles and videos from Sikorsky or Lockheed Martin. Demonstration of their autonomous Blackhawk helicopters in Washington just before the US election. And then you've got the community notes on there on X. People are Attacking Musk and Trump. Trump explained the Aviation Safety Committee was disbanded, but the committee members working for federal government were not fired from their primary jobs. They advised the tsa, not faa on their security functions, which isn't typically relevant to midair collisions. LA Times source. But still, the corporate media in most places is trying to say that it's all Trump, Elon, Doge, hexa fault headline. The first big challenge to Heg Seth. Why did this happen? Well, he better put out why it happened. They better find out. But how do you find out when the helicopter is a pile of ashes and the people are dead? Why this helicopter just take off when Trump's dominating the globalist, dismantling them and just magically flying the most busy airport ever right into a passenger plane? And the corporate media is all ready to blame Trump.

[Dan]

So Alex has just presented some tweets as his primary evidence for things. Like one claim was that Trump's firings leading to these. These safety advisory positions being vacant. Right. That was. That was something that had a community note on it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that was supposed to be the important thing.

[Dan]

And the community note that Alex Reed's refuting it is sourced to the LA Times, which is part of the corporate media bummer. All of the examples he's providing of real media sources seem to be people clarifying that it might not be good to just blame people. Trump. That seems counter to the entire premise that Alex is running with, and that's because his premise is a lie. It's a lie that he needs in order to create fascination and intrigue around this story. If he plans on reporting it as a conspiracy, he's dipped his toe into that water and you can see the old tricks he pulls coming out. If this is just a situation where, you know, accidents happen and it's wrong to blame Trump for it, you can just move on and say that it's not his fault. But Alex is addicted to the game. So he starts talking about the story and it's not satisfying to just move along. There's too many vague points that won't be understood for months until there's a full investigation of this incident. All of those vague points, those anomalies, for Alex, those represent profit. That's money that's being left on the table.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's introduced too many conspiracy elements to this story and started to incorporate his past predictions, like attacks on the power grid into the narrative as a whole. Whole. It's gaining momentum. So now it's important to dress things up with the normal suspicious patterns. Isn't it weird the media all had their script so fast. It's almost like they knew they were what was going to happen in advance. This is a type of reporting Alex does that's based on feelings. He's creating the feeling that the media all had their story straight in half an hour and that's suspicious. The goal of creating that feeling is to give the listener a reason to accept the conspiracy explanation for events that have happened before. It's too late for actual explanations to be available to them, to have answers to these questions that are now just anomalies. Alex knows that this is the way that he makes money. Tragedy happens. And he comes up with interesting explanations for why the big bad imaginary enemies are totally secretly to blame for it. And the only way that things will ever get better is if you accept this interpretation and buy his CMOs. He understands that game and that's why he can't just leave this well enough alone and say that accidents happen. Happen. It would be an act of him robbing himself so you can. It's fascinating to me that, like, it's a perfectly acceptable defense to say accidents happen. Any other human could lead the show with, this is a tragedy. Our hearts go out to everybody who is involved, but Alex can't, can't do it. It's directly counter to every money making instinct that he has.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He must exploit tragedy.

[Jordan]

And it's, it's smart. It's smart because what he's doing is the same thing that, you know, he doing. Twitter engagement. Essentially. Some asshole posts. It's all Trump's fault for doing the FFA or FAA thing.

[Dan]

You're hung up on the future farmers of America.

[Jordan]

Yeah, right. And then some other asshole is like, no, it's not. And then they fight. And then the LA Times gets a little community. No. And then they fight and then Alex says, see, they're all saying the same shit. And then it's out here.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Ready to be shit on.

[Dan]

And what's interesting to me about that is that like I perfectly conceive of how this is working on Twitter and racking up views and numbers and stuff like that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But as a radio show, it's not good.

[Jordan]

No, it's. It feels like a one sided Twitter argument.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And as a continuation of Alex's career, I think it's tragic.

[Jordan]

Not good.

[Dan]

So that's fun, honestly.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it's. It is like there was a certain amount of creativity back a, back before instantaneous news, you know, where you'd have sports talk Radio. And they'd really have to spend like an hour discussing something that could be like five minutes long. Like, oh, yeah, he needs to shoot better. Boom. They got to spend an hour his girlfriend, you know, like that whole thing. But now, you know, there's that like, oh, I don't even need to provide context. This guy. Guy sucks. Next one. This guy's. You know, there's. There's just so much constant information that it doesn't require the same creativity that it used to, you know, not at all. He's just responding to somebody. Oh, the media always has it. Spend some time in there.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like, you know, for, for like what you. What you're describing. Like back these sports talk shows would be like, we're getting word from trainers.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, here's a situation with an ankle or whatever.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Now it's just like some asshole said.

[Dan]

Yeah. With a, like no picture on Twitter and an anonymous person.

[Jordan]

Some asshole.

[Dan]

Yeah. What does this have to do with the ankle?

[Jordan]

It's not even fun to do, like Twitter handle at blank blank blank 69 for 20 anymore. It sucks. They are. They're just everywhere.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Boo.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Boo. Yeah.

[Dan]

Come on.

[Jordan]

I say boo to the Twitter.

[Dan]

So Roger is back on because. Because Trump called Alex and, you know, you gotta.

[Jordan]

Gotta milk that. Yeah.

[Dan]

Doing it. And the JFK files are gonna come out any day now.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So Roger has some excuses for why the JFK files aren't out yet.

[Alex Jones]

Last night you did an emergency broadcast with me that's gotten tens of millions of views. Thank the listeners for watching out of the Alex Jones Network studios. And you were very clear that Trump told you five years ago at the first declassification of 80% and then the new one he signed last week, that has 15 days for them to develop. The plan under law to release will, quote, seal the fate of the CIA and the deep state that we're still fighting, basically the grandkids of. And that Trump said to you, it is just so horrible that he didn't release the first time and then went on CIA involvement. And I love most of the listeners know you're good friends with Trump and all the rest of it. And Trump's even made some of those statements public. They said, what's the source? The President. But then you got a call and other folks, and we got, you know, but without getting into all that, it's ridiculous for the idea that we would be saying something. You would be saying something when you're a known confidant of Trump. And it would Be something that we were just making up. But, Roger, recap all the history. And then what you're expecting and what you've heard is obviously classified. So you can just, you give your st of it about what is about to come out and why they're so scared.

[Roger Stone]

Well, Alex, I think you've got it exactly right. Back in the late 90s, a law was passed that mandated the release of all the declassified and the declassification of all the materials pertaining to JFK's assassination. The date they set fell early in Donald Trump's first term in 2017. And I brought it to his attention in a phone conversation. I said, you know, this is coming up. What are you going to do? He wasn't aware of the dead, but he said he'd check into it. Then he got back to me and he said, you're right. This is all set to happen. What do you think I should do? And my recommendation was to release it all. It'd been more than 50 years. There's nobody involved who is still alive, by and large. And if the. If elements of the government were involved in the murder of American President, well, the American people should know that. So he told me he was going to think about it. And I got the strong impression he was going to release everything. Everything. And then he released about 80% of it. Now, we found out some very significant things in what he did release. For example, the KGB had run their own investigation. They had determined that there was a conspiracy, a plot, and that Lyndon Johnson was the centerpiece of it. The French intelligence had also run their own investigation, come up with the same conclusion. But then ultimately, he released about 80% of it, held back about 20. And when I asked him why he did that, he told me that Mike Pompeo, then the head of the CIA, had convinced him that it was too explosive and it would expose the agency's methods and sources. So then I said, well, but you've seen it all. What is it? And he said, it's so terrible, I can't tell you. I just can't tell you. But someday you'll know.

[Dan]

Oh, wow. Trump sounds like she then. All right, this doesn't make Trump sound good.

[Jordan]

Here's what I got for you. Mike Pomporio's next flavor.

[Dan]

You know what has he put out an album?

[Jordan]

Oh, that's a good point.

[Dan]

I don't.

[Jordan]

Never mind. No, no, no, no, no. I walk it back, change it. I don't need it.

[Dan]

No, I'm going to save it. I'm gonna save this sure. Mike Pompeo Oreos. And then I'll watch, like a speech that he gave at the Council of Foreign Relations.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

You know, I'll eat the Oreo while listening to him.

[Jordan]

I'll allow it.

[Dan]

Wax on about foreign policy.

[Jordan]

That will works.

[Dan]

Look, that sounds bad.

[Jordan]

It doesn't sound good.

[Dan]

I think you're trying to make a hero out of this Trump character, and I think that what you've shown is that he is weak and malleable and subordinate and maybe a fabulous. Maybe he's telling you, oh, you don't even know. It's so crazy. Maybe he's a liar and weak.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It does feel like a lot of the times what they do is they just say the worst possible things, but they make it sound like it's good.

[Dan]

If I look. Maybe I have a devil may care kind of streak to me, but if I am in Trump's position, I fuck around accidentally become president. Sure, I find out about the JFK stuff, and I'm willing to tell a dear, dear friend of mine that it's so horrible.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, it's so horrible.

[Jordan]

The best thing I've ever seen.

[Dan]

I would risk my life to release that. And if the CIA had said, you can't do it, I would say, well, we're at an impasse and this is coming out.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Then you're dead. The CIA kills the President all the time.

[Dan]

Then I lied to Pompeo.

[Jordan]

There haven't even been four presidents who have ever made it to term. They all get killed halfway through.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Replaced by a CIA spy.

[Dan]

I think that what Roger is somewhat describing, though, not putting it this way, is that Trump failed a test.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Trump failed a very, very serious integrity test.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And we're trying to create. Create the appearance that that is a sign of character.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And I think that sucks.

[Jordan]

Right. No, I mean, in their world, showing moderation and restraint is not a sign of good moral character. No, no, it's the wrong move.

[Dan]

Being convinced to not blow the lid off JFK assassination stuff at the behest of Mike Pompeo is not a flex.

[Jordan]

It would be really nice if they just got it out of our fucking system.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Be nice if we were just fucking done with it.

[Dan]

That's the only strong feeling I have about the declassification stuff. When I said I didn't care earlier, I do mean that I don't particularly care.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But that argument that you're making is the only.

[Jordan]

It's the only thing that makes it. What are we. What are we hiding We've committed, like, two genocides since then. Move on. Right, let's go. We've accepted whatever.

[Dan]

And this, like, specter of what could be in there is so fucking annoying. And it allows Alex and Roger to play these games.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex, back in the day, he interviewed LBJ's mistress.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

And Alex tells the story about it. And then Roger accidentally reveals that Alex might be remembering a Geraldo piece that he saw.

[Alex Jones]

That might be the Madeline Duncan Brown. Twice on my Access TV show and once on my syndicate radio show in person. She still lived here in Austin. She was the admitted main mistress of lbj. Had a son with him, the main one.

[Jordan]

And nice.

[Alex Jones]

She. I mean, he did have a lot like him.

[Roger Stone]

Was a dead ringer for lbj.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. But she was on record this not even debated. And. And she said, you know, she was there a few days before in Dallas and, you know, he came in to have sex with in the hotel room. And she told me this right there, you know, in the studio. And. And he said, that son of a Kennedy will never embarrass me again when he gets here a few days. And she heard him talking to other men, saying, I want that son of a dad.

[Roger Stone]

There. There is. All of that is accurate. It's interesting that I was in a green room with Geraldo Rivera at Fox. This was after I wrote my book and I told him that I had seen his iconic interview with Madeleine Brown in which she tells him that the night before the assassination, she had assassination with LBJ in the Fort Worth Hotel. Hotel. And he squeezed her hand.

[Jordan]

What a similar story.

[Roger Stone]

Tomorrow I won't have to put up with those Irish sons of ever again.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, that's the exact quote. And she told me that we gotta find the video I've got. And.

[Roger Stone]

And when I asked Geraldo about that, he said, who's Madeline Brown?

[Jordan]

He's done a lot of stuff and I haven't. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

That's almost insulting.

[Jordan]

I. I mean, to say it to Alex's face instead of just going. Going with. How about that? How about that?

[Dan]

Right. I think that there's something to be said for like, oh, yeah, you know, after you did that interview, she was also on Geraldo or something like that. But just to retell the exact story and refer to it as something that happened in an iconic Geraldo interview.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or an iconic.

[Jordan]

The use of the word iconic is incredibly insulting. Yes, he chose that word very specific. Yeah.

[Dan]

I think there's a passive aggression, at very least that's at play.

[Jordan]

I Think he should give out pens? You've just been rat fucked by Stone. You know, like just boom. There you go. Welcome. I said iconic. Bam. There you go. You got fucked. That's the way you should do it.

[Dan]

Well, he had those autographed stones.

[Jordan]

Yeah, but that's really fucking stupid and he should be embarrassed about that.

[Dan]

I have one of them. A listener sent me one.

[Jordan]

Yeah, no, I understand, but you didn't come up with the idea of signing a rock.

[Dan]

No, but it's a good idea if your name's Stone.

[Jordan]

Is it?

[Dan]

Yeah. Oliver Stone did it.

[Jordan]

Did he?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

God damn it. People with the name Stone got to get their shit together.

[Dan]

His son, who I've forgotten his name, but is on an infowars sometimes Stone.

[Jordan]

Not a very creative groupage of names.

[Dan]

So we got one last clip here, and it's Alex trying to get into the weeds with Roger about this helicopter story. And Roger doesn't care.

[Alex Jones]

What do you make of this helicopter thing? I had a bunch of FAA experts on. They say it is. None of it makes sense. If you look at how all this work works stuff was turned off. This is the most busy airspace in North America, and this helicopter for minutes are saying, stop, stop, stop. It's like flying around in the flight path. What the hell is that?

[Roger Stone]

First of all, we have to pray for all those victims of both aircrafts. Is so. The whole thing is so horrific, just horrific. In all honesty, today, because of our great show last night, I've been completely immersed in jfk, RFK, and MLK because of the media inquiries that our show last night generated. So I've read a little bit about this. My son, as you know, is a very accomplished pilot. He told me, dad, something's not right here. But I haven't had a chance to have an extensive conversation with him.

[Alex Jones]

As soon as you're able. I want to. I want to have you hit any other points. But what I love the. The President really liked last night's show, too.

[Roger Stone]

I heard that. Yes, I heard.

[Jordan]

Heard that from who?

[Alex Jones]

Well, I'm just. I mean, I'm flattered from you is watching.

[Roger Stone]

Look, the President is a big fan of yours. He knows that you've stuck with him through thick and thin. You've taken some criticism. I remember when I first went to you. We met at the. At the. During the JFK memorial celebrations. And I said to you, you know what? Donald Trump's going to be president. And you said, well, you know, Ted Cruz is a Texan. He's been talking to me and I've been thinking about maybe supporting him. I'm not that political, really. I said, alex, Donald Trump is going to be president.

[Alex Jones]

And.

[Roger Stone]

And you have. Here's a. Patience with Republican primary voters because the giant audience of conservatives who watch Infowars and if anyone will read my book, the Making of the President 2016, which you can [e-mail].

[Alex Jones]

No, that's totally true, but I'd met you a few years before at another JFK deal, but I remember you saying, hey, I'm coming to Austin. Trust me, he's being the president. And I knew you were a serious guy. I said, well, come on. And you got me on board.

[Dan]

This is like Steve Pachanic telling Alex, like, I've misled you for 20 years.

[Jordan]

Saying the whole thing.

[Dan]

I'm fascinated by the energy difference between the two of them, though. Like, Roger knows he's connected to Trump, and so he kind of has a little bit of big dick energy.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

You know, there's a little bit of, like, I don't have to prove anything.

[Jordan]

Doesn't have. He's very relaxed. Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex is desperate to demonstrate this connection and use Roger to validate it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. His desperation is. It's electable.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Both delectable and loud.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

So also, the way he's describing their relationship is shady. Roger is telling Alex that Trump is going to win, so he should get on board. Like, it sounds more like a negotiation than trying to get someone to support a candidate a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

That is bad.

[Jordan]

Oh, I mean, boy, just hearing the words, like, you were telling me I'm not very political.

[Dan]

Like, wow, the Infowars guy.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep. Not very political, huh?

[Dan]

The guy who worked for Pat Buchanan's campaign before he was on the air and tried to get Rob.

[Jordan]

I don't really care about Ted Cruz. You just never know. How would the present coincidence.

[Dan]

How would the presentation on Alex's show in 2015 have been different if he was like, I'm talking.

[Jordan]

I'm a hired gun.

[Dan]

I'm talking to Ted Cruz about maybe supporting his campaign. But, hey, this Roger Stone guy is coming around and he's making some pretty compelling points. Hey, I'm up. I'm up for grabs. How would that be different than the way he actually tried to present himself on air?

[Jordan]

Well, because his whole thing is everybody else takes a big bag of money to say whatever it is that they're saying to you. And it would look real bad if he. Bad if he said, I took a big bag of Money to say this to you.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And a metaphorical big bag of money. It might not even big enough validation.

[Jordan]

Whatever amount it was. Not big enough.

[Dan]

Roger, will you play along while I pretend that I'm Trump's best friend? Yeah, sure, I'll do that.

[Jordan]

I'll get that. Yeah. Yep. You will be close to power.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You've always wanted legitimacy. It has been given to you. And then like the ironic genie wishes.

[Dan]

Of old Ted Cruz is gonna give a fuck about you.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

I'll still come on and be passive aggressive with you and give you a pen.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you gotta get pens. That's the way to go.

[Dan]

Yeah, man.

[Jordan]

It really adds insult to injury if you get handed a pen because a card, sure. But that could be anything. A pen. That's a man who's got 48 cents to spend. Yeah.

[Dan]

And you should probably make it like a funny font.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

On the pen.

[Jordan]

If. If anything, it should reveal a naked Roger Stone whenever you flip it over. Oh, that would be good. That's the way to do it.

[Dan]

That'd be good.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That's our next merch.

[Jordan]

Yep. Make it Roger Stone pens. That's the way to do it. Welcome to the Stone Bone zone.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So anyway, there's a lot going on in the world and I feel like we are not capturing.

[Jordan]

Not here.

[Dan]

A great deal of it.

[Jordan]

Not here.

[Dan]

I feel like there's almost like an ability to cover a thing, you know?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

There was the plane crash and Alex was able to try and struggle with that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I just, I was looking through like a list of Trump's executive orders and shit, and it's just baffling the amount of stuff that is not being. Being addressed on his show at all. Yeah, but what do you expect?

[Jordan]

I guess, I mean, he doesn't have time to get into. Am I sure that it was at a coincidence? He doesn't have time for that. How could he get into 200 executive orders? Just not possible.

[Dan]

Well, the. Do I think this is just the way things work in a complex world?

[Jordan]

Do I think it is?

[Dan]

I think that's something that if he did the level of preparation that he pretend. Pretends to, he maybe should have come to a conclusion before getting on air about that.

[Jordan]

You know, but that's the thing about this funny, mixed up world of ours.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So complicated. He didn't have time.

[Dan]

No. He couldn't think about whether cause and effect. He's a coincidence thing.

[Jordan]

Normally has time, but this time, out of nowhere, coincidence.

[Dan]

So anyway, we'll be back with another episode, see where, oh, we might get into February.

[Jordan]

Very excited.

[Dan]

Super Bowls around the corner.

[Jordan]

Getting there. Oh, that'll be great. Yeah, I'm looking to forward, forward to that.

[Dan]

So that'll be down the road. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious professor.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy and Chansus, you're on the ear. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.