Knowledge Fight - Episode #1077: September 11, 2025

Date: September 15, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Focus: Breaking down Alex Jones’s coverage of the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination, examining conspiracy claims, the evolution of right-wing rhetoric, and the shifting landscape of public discourse.

Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan analyze Alex Jones’s coverage of recent events surrounding the assassination of right-wing personality Charlie Kirk at a Utah college event. The hosts explore Jones’s shifting narratives, ongoing victim complex, and opportunistic strategies. The conversation highlights Jones’s contradictions, the broader implications of internet irony in extremism, and the co-opting of tragedy for grift. The episode combines critical deconstruction with sardonic banter, helping listeners see through Jones’s techniques and the context in which he operates.

Key Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter & Acknowledgements

Timestamps: 01:00–05:00

• Dan and Jordan joke about their lack of productive bright spots—Dan’s guilty pleasure with a Culver’s cinnamon toast crunch concrete (01:11).
• Appreciation for the fan gift: a box of experimental jams from Carl of Big Jalm Jam—“It feels like somebody somewhere has a cauldron and there's trouble a' brewin” (Jordan, 03:03).
• Announcement of their upcoming live show and ticket sales confusion (“We're dumb. We're bad. We're not good at this.” - Dan, 04:03).

2. Setting the Stage: The Charlie Kirk Assassination

Timestamps: 05:00–13:00

• Recap: Charlie Kirk was shot and killed at a Utah Valley University event. The shooter, Tyler Robinson, was arrested after his father helped turn him in, following consultation with a church leader.
• Dan pushes back on Jones’s immediate framing, which blamed “a leftist Antifa assassin” without evidence:

  “I push back... not because I know that to be incorrect, but because I know that Alex is making that accusation baselessly and it’s the kind of response that... can only cause trouble.” (Dan, 07:17)

• Shooter’s bullet casings had jokey, internet-insider references (e.g., “hey, fascist catch” and video game cheat codes), pointing not to conventional political ideology but to the culture of “being too online”.

  “The messages that were on the bullets were essentially shitposts… don’t really point to any definite ideology.” (Dan, 10:49)

3. Internet Irony and the Difficulty of Understanding Motive

Timestamps: 11:00–13:00

• Jordan notes that outside commentators are out of their depth interpreting internet irony:

  “There is a culture that understands what is going on and we are not part of that culture. And the people trying to translate it to me are not part of that culture either.” (Jordan, 11:04)

• Both hosts reflect on how contemporary extremist violence is increasingly informed by fractured ideologies and meme culture, which doesn’t fit old left/right paradigms.

4. Alex Jones Spins Conspiracy Across Familiar Themes

Timestamps: 13:00–17:00

• Jones claims there were people celebrating online, “mainly school teachers and lawyers and doctors,” and makes accusations of conspiracies among event attendees.
• Jordan turns Jones’s rhetoric back on itself:

  “Charlie Kirk was a fucking Nazi. And you know, what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one.” (Jordan, 14:26)

• Dan points out the absurdity of Jones’s scenario, including the supposed presence of conspirators among Kirk’s debate guests.

5. Free Speech Hypocrisy and the Politics of Outrage

Timestamps: 15:47–18:33

• Dan highlights Jones’s inconsistency: While he’s previously defended racists and trolls as free speech martyrs, he doesn’t defend people fired for making distasteful posts about Kirk’s death.

  “He just wanted to help create a world where racists don’t have to fear any consequences for their racism. This is cancel culture, right?” (Dan, 17:17)

• The hosts discuss the cyclical nature of outrage culture and “canceling”—who benefits from holding institutional power.

6. Centering Himself—Victimhood and Bravado

Timestamps: 18:34–24:52

• Jones inserts himself as a target, claiming he was “swatted”—which the hosts quickly debunk as routine police welfare checks with no real threat or “swatting” incident.
• The “Podesta Plan” (Jones’s catchall boogeyman) is dissected:

  “The Podesta battle plan is a great prop for Alex, primarily because it’s not real... Alex has just labeled it the Podesta plan because the audience already knows Podesta from Pizzagate.” (Dan, 19:53)

• Jones brags about his own shooting prowess and how his connections “in special operations” can identify bullet calibers by ear.

  “By the time I was 14, I could shoot at 100 yards through the same hole over and over again...” (Alex Jones, 23:02)

• Dan: “You’re good at shooting. Cool.”

7. False Flag Claims and the Wrestling Analogy

Timestamps: 25:02–32:00

• Jones claims the shooting has “all the earmarks” of a staged event/false flag and that event participants were acting in concert.
• Dan and Jordan draw parallels to pro-wrestling “heel” (villain) dynamics:

  “The media ecosystem that Charlie Kirk thrived in operates pretty similarly... His fans hate the Left, and he basks in the negative attention that he gets from the Left, in order to play up the image that he’s a villain to them, which makes him a hero to the right.” (Dan, 29:14)

• The implication: Both sides rely on antagonism, and real-world consequences escalate when kayfabe (the “pretend” world) becomes reality.

8. Jones Goes on Mission—Lobbying for Himself

Timestamps: 32:03–37:54

• Jones claims to be traveling for “critical missions” for the Republic—actually lobbying for his Supreme Court case and grubbing for help among Trump circles.
• He meets with Ed Martin, former Trump appointee, to try to bolster his legal battle.
• Speculation on why he's going to the west coast; jokes about using shell companies and sports metaphors to lampoon the convolution of his business dealings.

9. The Internal Power Struggle at Infowars

Timestamps: 36:01–37:54

• Jace (former staffer) filling in for Alex, implying turmoil and succession drama within Infowars as Alex grows desperate and distracted.
• Banter on how Chase might accidentally end up owning the company due to paperwork—“Is this like a hostile takeover? Is this a Michael J. Fox in the 80’s movie where somehow at the end, he’s the top of the corporation?” (Jordan, 37:41)

10. Jones Embraces Martial Law—Betraying His Own Ideals

Timestamps: 38:01–44:28

• Jones claims the Left will trigger a civil war, blue states will secede, and Trump will need to use the military domestically (“normalizing” military policing).
• Dan highlights the ultimate betrayal: Jones now embraces everything he supposedly always railed against, simply because the power structure now aligns with his identity group.

  “Alex is describing Trump using psychological tricks that he’s been very clear are tyrannical strategy... Alex is using [conspiracies] to bolster the power structure.” (Dan, 39:25)

• “If that's true, then it's pretty simple to say that Bush should have been able to use military as police if he felt the terrorists posed a big enough imminent threat... But Alex can't.” (Dan, 43:23)

11. Performative Outrage, Political Traps, and Victimhood

Timestamps: 46:29–51:08

• Jones attacks Democrats for not being sufficiently respectful after Kirk’s death, citing misrepresented or outright false incidents in Congress.
• Dan explains the “trap” in these media narratives—no matter how Democratic figures respond, right-wing media spins them for outrage:

  “This is a game. And even when someone like Elizabeth Warren goes out of her way to be polite and respectful, it doesn’t matter. People are shitheads who are just gonna lie about you.” (Dan, 47:49)

12. Alex’s Jealous Opportunism: Stealing the Spotlight and the Grift

Timestamps: 51:12–59:10

• Jones proposes a college tour “in Charlie’s honor,” making himself the focal point and even musing about “selling Charlie Kirk tribute T-shirts.”

  “You can kind of see the scripting of what Alex wants to do here. He’s making it a little too obvious that he wants to go out and pretend someone is trying to shoot at him.” (Dan, 53:27)

• Grifting off a friend’s death—no intention to donate proceeds; the host calls this out as grotesque and character revealing.
• Jordan: “No better way to honor his memory than to steal from his memory.”

13. AI, Internet Glitches, and Conspiratorial Thinking

Timestamps: 61:00–65:01

• Jones claims evidence of “advance knowledge” because AI bots and misdated Amazon listings had Kirk’s death pre-printed—hosts explain this as incompetence, not conspiracy.
• Dan notes the irony of Jones treating Grok (AI) as an oracle even as he demonizes AI elsewhere.

14. Charlie Kirk to Receive Medal of Freedom

Timestamps: 65:11–67:17

• Trump posthumously awards Kirk the Medal of Freedom; the hosts shrug, noting that these honors are often arbitrary and for show.

  “It’s a nice honor for people to be given... but it’s also kind of a way for presidents to hang out with their favorite celebrities.” (Dan, 65:49)

15. Jones’s Legal Delusions & The Endgame

Timestamps: 67:25–73:02

• Jones claims his case is going to the Supreme Court and links his activities to fighting for American values.
• Dan quickly points out that the Supreme Court already rejected the case:

  “The Supreme Court already declined to take this case, like, six months ago... I don't know if you can just keep badgering the Supreme Court.” (Dan, 69:54)

• Banter about Jones being replaced by an AI version of himself (“He’s already done it”), and the self-selecting nature of the right-wing grift ecosystem.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Internet irony and extremism:
  “These [shooters’] messages were jokes that have an irony to them. And anybody taking them literally or at face value is not on the right track with this.” (Dan, 10:49)

• Hypocrisy on free speech:
  “The fact that he's not [defending people fired for joking about Kirk] should make it pretty clear that... he just wanted to help create a world where racists don't have to fear any consequences for their racism.” (Dan, 17:17)

• Dan on Alex’s victim complex:
  “Alex seems very desperate to make himself the victim in someone else’s murder.” (Dan, 19:34)

• On grifting from tragedy:
  “You might notice that Alex definitely isn’t gonna put out a Charlie Kirk Memorial T-shirt and give the proceeds to Kirk's family... He’s brainstorming on camera ways that it can be profitable for him.” (Dan, 58:44)

• Turning outrage into identity:
  "Their political ideology is largely based on triggering the libs... Someone chanting horrible shit is proof of concept." (Dan, 30:46)

• On Alex’s shifting principles:
  "Alex is describing Trump using psychological tricks... tyrannical strategy to ease the population into slavery. And he's in favor of it." (Dan, 39:25)

Important Timestamps

• 05:00–13:00: Detailed discussion of the Kirk assassination and the shooter’s internet-laced motives.
• 15:47: Dan and Jordan expose Alex’s free speech hypocrisy.
• 23:02: Alex’s bravado story about his shooting skills.
• 29:14: Pro wrestling/heel analogy on right-wing discourse.
• 32:03: Alex’s real reason for traveling—personal legal grifting and photo-ops.
• 39:25–44:28: Dissection of Alex’s abandonment of anti-police state rhetoric now that “his side” holds power.

Conclusion

This Knowledge Fight episode serves as a sharp, insightful deconstruction of how Alex Jones weaponizes tragedy for self-promotion and profit, never hesitating to flip his messaging when it suits the prevailing winds of power. Dan and Jordan lay bare the emptiness of Jones’s “principles”, contrast his rhetoric with reality, and reveal the performative, cyclical nature of right-wing outrage media. The episode also highlights the increasing difficulty of understanding extremist motivation in the age of internet meme culture, and drives home how opportunistic grifting overtakes even basic human decency within these circles.

Recommended Listeners: Anyone interested in the intersection of media, conspiracy, and politics; regular Knowledge Fight fans; observers of far-right media dynamics; or those wanting to understand how online culture and irony inform contemporary extremism.