#1077: September 16, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1077: September 16, 2025

Release Date: September 19, 2025
Hosts: Dan and Jordan

---

Overview:

In this episode, Dan and Jordan tackle clips from the September 16, 2025, Alex Jones Show. The episode focuses heavily on the aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s assassination—unpacking Alex’s conspiratorial narratives, the right-wing media response, the opportunistic exploitation of Kirk’s death, and broader trends in fascist and reactionary rhetoric. Amidst absurdities, Dan and Jordan methodically debunk Alex's claims, highlight the dangerous consequences of fearmongering, and comment on the shifting standards of the right-wing media ecosystem.

---

Bright Spots and Banter

[01:10 – 04:39]

• Jordan's Bright Spot: Just finished reading "King of Kings" about the Iranian revolution; reflects on how feeding people can solve deeper political problems.
  • Notable quote:
    Jordan [02:49]: "If you want to feed everybody along the way, you will wind up having to solve every major political problem we have to get there."
• Dan's Bright Spot: Parents visiting; jokes about the size and status of Kansas City.
• Light, characteristic banter about sports, cities, and family sets up their usual tone—a mix of irreverence and insight.

---

Major Theme: Kirk’s Assassination & the Right-Wing Frenzy

[04:41 – 53:37]

Media Reaction & Political Opportunism

[07:11 – 10:16]

• The right has leapt to exploit Kirk’s death, with even the Vice President (JD Vance) guest-hosting Kirk’s podcast.
  • Notable quote:
    Dan [08:09]: “The stuff we see these people do is fucking hilarious in a script, and it is not in the real world. In the real world, it's scary as hell.”
  • Jordan’s take: The unceremonious political exploitation illustrates Kirk’s lack of real supporters beyond his “utility” to the movement.

Alex Jones’ Narrative: “Trans Antifa Devil Cults”

[12:41 – 23:16]

• Alex repeatedly conflates trans people with “Antifa” and “demonic” forces, blaming a “trans antifa movement” for Kirk’s assassination.
  • Notable quote:
    Alex Jones [11:16]: “Charlie Kirk's execution…is a thousand times more powerful than the sad death of George Floyd, because it was deliberate and it was done through hate…by a system of open mind control created by the CIA… the Trans Antifa movement.”
• Dan & Jordan methodically dismantle Alex’s claims, emphasizing the shooter was a cis white man, and attempts to tie blame to a trans roommate are unfounded.

Fearmongering, Disinformation, and “Discord”

[15:24 – 17:32]

• Alex claims there are “discord chats” with advanced knowledge of the murder. Dan clarifies: No such evidence, only post-hoc confessions; Alex is inventing details to fit his narrative.
  • Notable quote:
    Dan [16:31]: “Alex is lying about these discord messages that have been released… All of the evidence…involves messages from after the attack…”

---

Fascist Momentum: Crackdowns, Demands, and Demagoguery

[23:35 – 34:28]

Demanding Arrests and Executions

[24:42 – 30:22]

• Alex calls for mass arrests, federal crackdowns, and even death penalties—not just for the shooter, but anyone loosely associated in chat threads.
  • Notable quote:
    Alex Jones [30:05]: “I want them arrested, I want them indicted, I want them tried for aiding and abetting in capital murder as accessories. And I want them to be given the lethal injection. I want them dead.”
  • Dan & Jordan highlight the contradiction: Alex, the perennial anti-government conspiracy theorist, now fervently demands extralegal government violence.
    • Jordan [32:24]: “There’s something embarrassing about being anybody who says that the government should kill people…”

Conflating Dissent with Terror; Demands for State Violence

[33:01 – 34:28]

• Alex encourages shifting federal resources (“cut back” on immigration, focus on “avowed left”) and refers to Proud Boy Ethan Nordean as a model for federal policing.
  • Notable quote:
    Alex Jones [33:38]: “MSNBC had headlines, We’ve done major polls. Majority of Democrats want blood, want war, want to kill.”
    • Dan notes the baselessness of these claims and the Proud Boys’ criminal history.

---

Information War: Lies About Kirk; The Martyrdom Machine

[38:30 – 42:29]

• Alex asserts that the left is flooding the internet with fake racist quotes attributed to Kirk—but Dan points out Kirk verifiably said racist things.
  • Memorable exchange:
    Alex Jones [38:30]: “They are flooding the Internet with stuff like this… Charlie Kirk, July 23, never said anything close to that.” Dan [39:08]: (Quotes Kirk’s actual statement verbatim, revealing Alex’s outright untruth).
  • Jordan and Dan note the right’s need to sanitize Charlie Kirk’s image to create a martyr, “sanding down” his real record for PR value.

---

Conspiracism as Product

[47:30 – 49:21]

• Alex lauds himself as the pioneer of “false flag” skepticism, but Dan points out this has fostered a destructive mindset where everything inconvenient is branded a hoax—until it suits people like Alex for it to be “real.”
  • Notable quote:
    Dan [47:45]: “He exploited the idea that things could be a false flag… Now he’s snake-bitten. He’s created an audience that thinks everything’s fake…”

---

Preemptive Excuses & The Cycle of Blame

[51:18 – 55:02]

• Anticipating racially-motivated violence, Alex asserts any such event will be a “false flag” orchestrated by leftists or “NGOs” to smear conservatives.
  • Notable quote:
    Alex Jones [51:18]: “What if he gets killed? Well, somebody might kill him and blame us. That’s what we're talking about here—the incoming false flags…”
• Dan and Jordan observe: This both runs cover for actual extremists and gaslights Alex’s more “normie” audience; it's weaponized anticipatory denial.

---

Notable Quotes & Segments

• Dan [08:09]: “The stuff we see…is fucking hilarious in a script, and it is not in the real world. In the real world, it's scary as hell.”
• Alex Jones [11:16]: “Charlie Kirk’s execution…is a thousand times more powerful than…George Floyd…”
• Dan [16:31]: “Alex is lying about these discord messages that have been released…”
• Alex Jones [30:05]: “I want them arrested…lethal injection. I want them dead.”
• Jordan [32:24]: “There’s something embarrassing about being anybody who says that the government should kill people…”
• Dan [47:45]: “He exploited the idea that things could be a false flag… Now he’s snake-bitten… everything’s fake…”
• Alex Jones [51:18]: “That's what we're talking about here—the incoming false flags…”

---

Concluding Reflections

[55:52 – End]

• The hosts reiterate the exhaustion of the media cycle (“run it back is fun for nostalgia…this isn’t what we want to run back”), the constant opportunism on the right, and the persistent dangers of mainstreamed conspiracy thinking.
• The episode closes with the familiar darkly comic banter and a reminder of the ongoing Knowledge Fight live events.

---

Key Takeaways

• Opportunism Over Substance: The post-assassination right isn’t mourning Kirk; instead, his death is being used as a lever for both policy and ideological crackdown.
• Conflation & Demonization: Alex Jones merges “trans,” “antifa,” and “devil-worship” into a single enemy, weaponizing a narrative untethered to facts or evidence.
• Hypocrisy on State Power: Alex, once an anti-state demagogue, now vociferously demands state violence and collective punishment of perceived enemies.
• Memory Sanitization: The right works to rewrite Kirk’s actual record, turning him into a sanitized martyr, while erasing or downplaying his real (often hateful) public statements.
• Conspiratorial Toolset: Alex’s legacy is a world where all inconvenient facts can be dismissed as “false flags,” yet demands selective exceptions for his own political narrative.
• Danger of Propaganda: The rhetorical turn toward calling for executions and mass arrests of political opponents marks a chilling escalation reminiscent of historic authoritarian regimes.

---

Timestamps—Important Segments

• 01:10 — Bright spots & book talk
• 07:11 — Kirk’s death; VP hosts podcast
• 11:16 — Alex’s monologue: “Trans Antifa movement” to blame
• 16:31 — “Discord” conspiracy debunked
• 24:42 — Calls for mass arrests, death penalties
• 30:05 — “I want them…lethal injection…I want them dead.”
• 38:30 — Alex denies Kirk’s racism; Dan provides receipts
• 47:30 — Alex reflects on his false flag legacy
• 51:18 — Preemptive blame for all future hate crimes
• 55:52 — Final reflections

---

Overall Tone

Darkly comedic, incisive, and occasionally bleak—with moments of levity and pop-culture asides. The dynamic between Dan and Jordan is characterized by mutual exasperation, incredulity at the transparent propaganda, and empathy for those affected by the toxic discourse.

---

This summary covers the key themes, arguments, and moments of Knowledge Fight #1077, providing crucial context for anyone following media criticism, political propaganda, and the state of the American right.

Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Alert.

[Alex Jones]

Not Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy, Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us. Hello, Alex.

[Jordan]

I'm a Fisher color. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan. Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Why don't you go first?

[Jordan]

My bright spot, Dan, is I just recently finished this book, just yesterday, called King of Kings.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And it's really, really good.

[Dan]

It's about Jesus.

[Jordan]

No, it's about the Iranian revolution and Ayatollah Khomeini and the Shah and all the big players, you know, the CIA, if you've ever heard of them.

[Dan]

Was that Chris Weber, King of Kings?

[Jordan]

Do you mean the Sacramento King of Kings?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Wasn't that one of his nicknames? I'd be fun.

[Dan]

All right. Sorry.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. It's basically is the same level of importance, but it's. It's. It's really interesting and it's really great. And I liked it. And it is a. It is an exhaustive listing of how everybody involved in every possible way was stupid except for Khomeini, who was, like, invited to take. It was wild. It's wild if you read it. But here's one of the things that it reminded me of.

[Dan]

That scene in Half Baked. Fuck you.

[Alex Jones]

Fuck you.

[Jordan]

No, but that's what. That was great. That was great. No, it's that all of these books are written from, like, this. This main character point of view, right? And at no point in time is anybody like, okay, well, if we wrote like 40,000 of these books about the people who are doing the rioting, and we could have just been like, oh, well, instead we fed them. Like, it never occurred to any of these people to be like, well, why don't we just feed people for a while and then we'll work this shit out?

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

It's amazing.

[Dan]

It's amazing. That is a thought that gets lost in the shuffle.

[Jordan]

Never considered.

[Dan]

Yeah, never considered. I think that it's time to create a new political party, and that is just bullying people into feeding everyone.

[Jordan]

I genuinely. Here's. Here's what I think, and this is what I was thinking about it. Like, if you want to. The thing about feeding people is that if you want to feed everybody along the way, you will wind up having to solve every major political problem we have to get there.

[Dan]

It ends up touching a lot of other ones. Yeah, that is true.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's just a concrete, fundamental thing that you can do is just give people food.

[Jordan]

All you have to do is feed people. And somehow it's like, if you want to do that, you have to fundamentally restructure the entire United States.

[Dan]

And that teaches you a lot.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it does.

[Dan]

Well, I'm glad you enjoyed this book about Chris Webber.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was great. Weber had a good career, a lot of injuries, but, you know, what are you going to do?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot?

[Dan]

My parents are in town visiting, so we've been having a nice time. Went to dinner, going to go see a state park or something.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Dan]

It's a nice time. You know, hey, family's around.

[Jordan]

Can't see Chris Webber anymore.

[Dan]

No. I've been sassing them a lot about how they're in the big city because they live in Kansas City, of course. And, you know, that's not a small town. It's not a small town, but it's funny. It's fun to pretend that they're Kansas City hicks coming to the big city.

[Jordan]

I don't know if I think. I think it. It works. Maybe it doesn't deserve the moniker city, but, you know, what are you going to do? Kansas town doesn't work as well.

[Dan]

Kansas City is big. You. You underrate it. It's. It's. It's a city for sure.

[Jordan]

All right. All right.

[Dan]

I think. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, they got a football team.

[Dan]

Yeah, they do.

[Jordan]

But Green Bay, and that doesn't really count as a city.

[Dan]

And baseball. That's true. Doesn't have a professional baseball.

[Jordan]

That is true. That changes everything.

[Dan]

Kansas City's probably a soccer team. Who knows?

[Jordan]

Does it have a restaurant by Alex Guarnichelli?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay. Well, then I guess it does have a.

[Dan]

Does prove me wrong.

[Jordan]

All right. I can't.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we had an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Dan]

We're going to be talking about a little bit of September 16, 2025, and that's, you know, Alex was out of studio. He was poking around, having a good time out there on the road, talking to Ed Martin up in D.C. all right. Doing some other business, trying to it done. He comes back to the studio on the 16th, and, you know, it's just bad. It's. It's. It's just. It's. It's just real.

[Jordan]

It's just bad.

[Dan]

And we'll talk a little bit about it. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Dan's playing knickknack patty whack with St. Celine, the quitsat's hotter cat. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Sorry. To my beautiful wife Pernilla for breaking my toe and then listening to knowledge fight continuously on our honeymoon. Also, hello, Alexander, from your loving father, who didn't name you after Alex Jones. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Caitlin, Hippie Pappy Bathassoo. Many happy returns from Brad and Batman. You guys, does Alex know that shrimp are bugs? Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got to take the credit in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much, too. I was supposed to have this for Valentine's Day, but I'm the slacker, not Dan and Jordan. So happy Valentine's Day, birthday and anniversary. Devin, thank you for being amazing. To our raptor princesses and the emotional Sport Pelican. To Mr. Roper. Thank you for introducing me to this podcast and for not losing your mind even when you binge the entire back catalog. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

4 stars.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Bom, bom, bom, bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

I like to imagine that that was from you. But then I realized your wife is never back.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, not at all.

[Dan]

And it would be funny if she introduced you to the show that you do.

[Jordan]

It would be. It would be difficult for that to occur, but I mean, it would have temporal implications, I think.

[Dan]

Yeah, for sure. Yeah. So, obviously, the thing that is taken over most of the media's attention at this point is Charlie Kirk being killed and the ongoing attempt to demonize people based on it.

[Jordan]

Everybody's doing great.

[Dan]

Yeah. So good.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I thought one sign of how deeply fucked up the world is is that JD Vance hosted a bit of Charlie Kirk's show after he died. And.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

You know, I think that there's a line between tribute and inappropriate. And when the Vice President of the United States is hosting your podcast.

[Jordan]

Here's what I love. Here's what I love about this is that quite the opposite, I believe, of what everybody has been trying to do. It has been made crystal clear that no one gives a fuck about Charlie Kirk. No one gave a shit about Charlie Kirk. This is purely for whatever everybody could use it for.

[Dan]

It's dangerously opportunistic.

[Jordan]

It is hilarious, man. I mean, it's sad.

[Dan]

What we come down to all the time is, like, the stuff that we see these people do and that we witness by virtue of doing this show is fucking hilarious in a script, and it is not in the real world. In the real world, it's scary as hell.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There were a lot of things in King of Kings that were very funny, but only because we are now in the future.

[Dan]

Yeah. If they're not happening and people aren't hurt by them, it's kind of funny, the idea that the vice president is hosting a shitheads podcast. I mean, because he got killed.

[Jordan]

It's. It's. It's. How do you even properly convey the. Like, not give a shit about this human being. Like, if I'm the person that I would feel worst for would be a Charlie Kirk who had tried to Tom Sawyer his own funeral and saw all of this happen and go, fuck. No one cared about me at all.

[Dan]

I'm very useful right now.

[Jordan]

I did not exist.

[Dan]

Awful reason.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You know, I was trying to think of an analog even, and I couldn't come up with, like, if Terry Gross got murdered and then Kamala Harris hosted.

[Jordan]

I mean, fresh air. It's only.

[Alex Jones]

What.

[Dan]

What is a.

[Jordan]

It's only possible in a. In a murder of crows, you know, like, only these. Only these beasts in specific would even be capable of doing something like this.

[Dan]

I thought that was really funny and shocking and a sign of, like, how deteriorated expectations are.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, the vice president should not be doing this. Whatever we think about, you know, left or right or anyone's political stuff, like, that's Not. That's unbecoming.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, and I think also it points to the viewpoint he has of himself, which is equal to the one that we all have, which is that he's not a real person. You know, like you're not. I understand that you're the Vice President, but you're not real. You don't matter. You're a meaningless vestige. So of course, go ahead and host this podcast.

[Dan]

You're a thing. You're an idea.

[Jordan]

Right? Can you imagine Joe Biden in the middle of fucking Obama's presidency while they're murdering Bin Laden, just being like, hey, also, I'm going to host this show real quick. What?

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm going to. I'm going to host wtf. What?

[Jordan]

What? What?

[Dan]

That doesn't even track. Because no, it's not even the same left wing. Charlie Kirk.

[Jordan]

Nope, there's nothing like him.

[Dan]

I guess maybe some streamer or something like that. Like Hassan gets killed and then Biden steps in on his show.

[Jordan]

What a weird world. What a weird world. Crazy.

[Dan]

Anyway, everything's a mess.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex is back and he's talking, talking about how this was. This was antifa. Sure. Antifa done did this.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Alex Jones]

Thank you for joining us for another historic, extremely important broadcast. Remember, you are the Paul Revere. No matter where you live in the world or what color you are, you have red blood and God made you. You can resonate with the truth or you can tune in to the demonic channel and serve evil. As for me, in my house, we choose God. It doesn't mean I'm perfect. Doesn't mean I have all the answers. Doesn't mean I'm not a fallen creature. Doesn't mean I don't have my struggles. But at the end of the day, I choose God and I choose the truth. And it's that decision that opens the door for Christ to come into our hearts and daily expel the temptations of the evil one and the system that many of our fellow humans have partially or completely fallen to wickedness. This is a demonic battle that we are facing. All right, the bottom line is this. Charlie Kirk's execution last Wednesday in front of the world is a shot heard around the world. It is a thousand times more powerful than the sad death of George Floyd, because it was deliberate and it was done through hate. And it was done by a system of open mind control created by the CIA at MI6, I.e. the Trans Antifa movement.

[Dan]

So I guess trans and antifa are the same thing now, which feels like sloppy messaging. On Alex's part. But to be fair, he doesn't really have any reason to be precise. He's created a show where everything he likes is godly and everything he doesn't like is demonic. So everything blurs together and who gives a shit?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Since we last recorded, there have been some developments on the Kirk killing story. And each step along the way, the folks on Alex's side of the fence have been desperate to try to find a way to blame trans people for the shooting.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

The first attempt was just to say that the shooter was probably trans themselves because they like to pretend that there's a giant trans terrorism problem. And the people debating Kirk when he got shot, the guy who was debating him was discussing how Kirk is part of pushing a hysteria around this issue.

[Jordan]

Sure. So they're going to push a hysteria around it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When the shooter was arrested and it turned out he was a CIS white man, there were some other attempts to turn this into the kind of story they wanted it to be, ultimately landing on focusing on the shooter's roommate, who's allegedly a trans woman who he may have been in a relationship of some sort with.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

As far as information that I've been able to see so far, there's no evidence that this person had any foreknowledge of the shooter's plans. And in fact, there's some strong indications that when they learned what he was doing, they were shocked and upset. The FBI has said that they're cooperating with the investigation. So from my perspective, I don't even think that naming this person is appropriate right now. Cuz I don't think they did anything wrong.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

It's clear, though, that this story is now like, this is what this is gonna be about. The shooter's politics are a jumbled mess and he's just a white guy from a Trump supporting family. So there's not a lot for someone like Alex to work with, but it appears that he may have been in a relationship with a trans woman. So the guilt for the shooting is going to be transferred onto her no matter what.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's bullshit.

[Jordan]

No, I think we're all doing great. I think everybody is just really crushing it. You know, it was like, can you imagine this reaction if from. From any of these corporations to somebody on Fox News talking shit about George Floyd, like the day it happened, you remember some of the things that they said about that person on TV for 24 hours and then 24 more hours and then over and over and over again. And now it is literally like, hey, guys, maybe stop screaming, let's go kill each other. You're fired. Like, it is insane. It's insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

There.

[Dan]

There does seem to be a lot of cancel culture going around now. That seemed to be the worst thing in the world before.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

But. Oh, well.

[Jordan]

Yep. Perpetrated by corporations who have our best interests in mind.

[Dan]

Perpetrated or enabled.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, you know, whether or like, where the ball starts rolling is. That's a debatable question. But they're allowing that ball to roll. For sure.

[Jordan]

Believe it.

[Dan]

So, look, everything's fucked.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And Alex has determined that there is a group that planned this. And he has all the evidence and all the discord.

[Jordan]

All right. Okay.

[Alex Jones]

It, of course, is now confirmed that he is the shooter. Confessed to it, wrote manifestos on it. Huge discord chats with more than 20 people encouraging him. Six people the day before in the town alone who are trans supporters or trans. Said, he'll be dead tomorrow. Just watch. They went online after he was killed Wednesday and celebrated and said, see, I told you he'd be dead.

[Dan]

Alex is lying about these discord messages that have been released. There's no messages that have shown premeditation or planning of the attack. All of the evidence that's out involves messages from after the attack. One chat where the shooter confesses to his friends and another where he's joking around about how a doppelganger is trying to set him up. Law enforcement has said that they want to track down the members of these chats, which is about 20 people. Not because there's advanced knowledge of the murder, but because these people would be close to the shooter and possibly able to provide some insight into his motives. Bottom line, Alex is just lying and making things up because it's way easier than having to prove something. And none of his ding dong septuagenarian audience knows what discord is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So he can just say it's all on the discord.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And great. It's like the white papers.

[Jordan]

It is. It is a fundamental disadvantage to even give a shit about what actually happened. You know, like you're in. You're in the space where giving a shit about what happened is the absolute furthest thing from your mind. It's, how can I make this as much as possible?

[Dan]

Yeah. And that's, you know, we. It's difficult to explain, but, like, it feels like we're in a situation where Alex has gone from, like, he would play defense.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

About shit and make shit up. And it was a pretty aggressive kind of Defense. And now he's playing offense, and you can't play defense against his offense without playing the same game that he's playing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You surrender your ability to care about what's actually happening in order to play a defense against this.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

And it's. It. I don't quite know how to articulate it, but it feels like. It feels like it's a trap.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, what we're watching is all of these people dig gold out of Charlie Kirk's fucking coffin. They're just digging as much gold out of there and trying to suck as much money out of his corpse as possible. And then you have to pretend to play a game where they're like, oh, isn't it terrible what happened to them? The game that we're playing is you guys are getting money from this. That's what it is.

[Dan]

You guys are getting money, and you are pushing, like, hate a lot further than you were probably able to last week. You know, there's. There's the palpable, you know, demonization you're able to justify based on the stories you're telling about this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And, yeah, it. I don't. I just don't know what to do.

[Jordan]

I mean, until people are more uncomfortable with digging gold out of a corpse than they are with saying, fuck that guy, I don't. I don't think what we're gonna do is anything different.

[Dan]

It's an imbalance.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex touches on the news of this roommate slash possible partner of the shooter.

[Alex Jones]

And you have the eyewitnesses and the neighbors of him with his trans boyfriend, both of them dressing like clown creatures. Other gimp like creatures in the house. The town reportedly completely infested. This is what's going on in the elementary, middle schools and high schools. This is the type of sick system that they're setting up. Remember the CIA in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s, over 30,000 children in West Germany given to convicted pedophiles to, quote, create a new family, a new culture. Well, that's been done through this in the west as well, and it is absolutely, totally and completely backfired.

[Dan]

That clip is insane.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It starts with anecdotal stories of the shooter and his roommate being dressed up like clown creatures, and then gets extrapolated out into a claim that this whole town is infested, presumably by LGBTQ folk.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

In his head, Alex connects this story to a headline he remembers about Germany, which he misremembers as being about sending 30,000 children to pedophiles that was a real story. But Alex is fudging some details and avoiding context. And then he baselessly is saying that the same thing is happening here in our elementary schools and everything. This is just an elaborate fantasy that Alex has constructed to reinforce his bigotries.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And man, it's a. It's a mess. Just hopping from lily pad to lily pad.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. It is so fucking. It's so frustrating. It's so fucking frustrating to listen to this shit go like. Like this. Here's what I'm thinking of when I hear that shit, right? I'm thinking of how at the end of World War II in Japan, right, they had people going around with these cars with giant speakers before the Americans would come anywhere near him. That was like, please don't kill your children and yourselves. Americans aren't cannibals. But because that's the propaganda, that's what you had to do. You had to convince people of this level of shit. Then you would see people who'd killed themselves and their own children to avoid being eaten. And it's like, this is what happens if you convince people of such bullshit. This is. This is the same thing. Yeah. This is getting people hurt for bullshit.

[Dan]

It very much is. And will.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And we need. I know, it sucks. It's like, I don't feel like those kinds of trucks would be effective right now.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not. That's what cannibals would say.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

Exactly. That's exactly what they were.

[Dan]

These fucking trucks are paid for by the cannibals.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. The cannibal. Where do the cannibals stop eating each other long enough to build trucks?

[Dan]

Yeah. That's a bummer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, there's a satanic trans organization that is behind this murder, apparently, and Alex has cracked the case.

[Jordan]

Got it.

[Alex Jones]

All right, thank you for joining us today. We're now getting a crystal clear picture of a trans antifa devil cult in Utah that was absolutely behind the murder of the great Charlie Kirk. And we have ongoing continued mass celebrations, not just here, but around the world by leftist demons, pastors and members of Congress and just thousands of teachers is the main group. Lawyers, doctors, scientists. Absolutely. Celebrating Kirk's death.

[Dan]

This celebration stuff is still just Alex whining about social media posts. I just want to make it clear that Alex doesn't actually want to play the guilt by social media association game. If he thinks that people posting tiktoks joking about Kirk's death are distasteful, wait till he sees what fans or guests of his show have posted in the past because I don't think he would enjoy that much if he was forced to take responsibility for the shit these other people have posted. Please.

[Jordan]

I think I recall him being in a courtroom taking responsibility for some of these things. And he didn't do it.

[Dan]

You know what? And it was big of him to take responsibility.

[Jordan]

It was, wasn't it? Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, he seems to be setting himself with a really difficult case that he's now needs to prove. He has literally nothing to go on other than vibes. And he's claiming that there's a full on satanic trans cult behind Kirk shooting. This is just dumb. But it doesn't matter. His audience is never gonna demand that he prove this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's just. Yeah, of course there's a absolutely devil cult.

[Jordan]

And it's not even like they care if it's actually a devil cult.

[Dan]

He.

[Jordan]

They could even just be like, oh, yeah, no. What? We don't worry about it. That's just his way of saying normal trans people, which is worse.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yep. Yep. So Alex wants fucking arrests.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And big ones.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He wants the federal government to fucking crack.

[Jordan]

Sure. On everybody.

[Dan]

Yeah. It makes sense.

[Alex Jones]

We have thousands of innocent J Sixers arrested, old ladies drug off to prison for walking between the velvet ropes being waved in on J6. Those people were innocent with the left. They're openly terrorists, calling for violence, engaging in violence. And when they break the law, they need to be absolutely prosecuted to the full extent of it. And if I don't start seeing serious arrests, and I mean within days, I am going absolutely ape against Pam Bondi, Cash Patel and Dan Bongino. If I don't see some action to protect the American people, then you are aiding and abetting it. I've seen a bunch of foot dragon on everything else and I know they've been blocking your appointments and suing you and everything you do. And I understand you're got an uphill battle, but on this it's cut and dry. I want you to do your job right now. And I'm giving the FBI and the DOJ and Trump's on their ass, I can tell you that. I was just in dc. He's yelling at them.

[Dan]

I'll tell you someone who started doing their job. The person who does the delay button.

[Jordan]

I was. It was surprising not to hear shit.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. He's gotten real loose with swearing.

[Jordan]

I feel like I've heard some swears. Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, so if there aren't any big arrests soon, Alex isn't going to war. With Bondi or the FBI, this is such an empty threat. But I think he also definitely means what he's saying.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He feels this way.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But there's no. There's never gonna be any follow through.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The things that Alex wants the Trump administration to do are illegal on a basic level. He wants to use the idea of the Kirk killing to be used as a pretext to clamp down on tons of LGBTQ organizations on the pretext that they're supporting the, quote, trans ideology that was behind the murder. Alex wants to see the largest crackdown of civil rights and the largest violation of those rights in the modern era. And he knows that kind of thing has to happen fast or it won't work. His whole career has been about screaming about the Hegelian dialectic and how the globalists create chaos so they can bring in their preferred form of order. That order wouldn't be appealing to the public if the public weren't being terrorized by the chaos that the globalists created, which has the effect of corralling people to their chosen solution as they look for safety. In the past, Alex has pretended to be opposed to this kind of leadership, but it's clear that he's neutral on it at best. And if you're gonna usher the population around based on manufactured crises and you want to use as focal points, it's important that you act quick. It's not a coincidence that the Patriot act just passed about a month after 9 11. There was momentum, and if they waited much longer, some of the stuff they wanted to put in that bill might have run into trouble and not passed. This isn't really all that different. Alex wants a huge, very illegal response from the state, and he knows that the window of opportunity to use Charlie's death is slim. As horrifying and shocking as it was, we live in a world where passions die down fast and attention moves on to some other very pressing story. Alex is demanding immediate action within days because delayed action isn't an option. He knows that you got to strike while the iron tie.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we didn't do anything about Epstein.

[Dan]

So he didn't either.

[Jordan]

I think we know that's what I'm saying. Like, if I'm any of these people, I'm going, well, all of the Epstein stuff, we lost pretty hardcore on every possible front. So, one. This is, again, very. Thank you, Charlie. Thanks for helping. This makes us all feel a lot better about ourselves.

[Dan]

Thank you for reheating the iron.

[Jordan]

Yep, absolutely.

[Dan]

Really did not strike while that iron was hot. And Demand any. We said we were going to really demand a lot of change.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And then we wish. So you've reheated the iron and we're gonna demand again.

[Jordan]

Oh yeah. I.

[Dan]

And then later probably be like next time.

[Jordan]

I mean, the idea of after. After Epstein, after all of that to then be like, now we're gonna put pressure on Patel and Monty. Guys, you're. You're under their boot. Be done.

[Dan]

When we're talking about clown creatures.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

You all have get out of here. Yeah. It's almost impossible to take any threat of Alex. Like with any kind. Like. Oh, this time I'm gonna be mad. Yeah, sure you are, buddy.

[Jordan]

No, he's best friends with the baby raper. You're fine.

[Dan]

Yeah. You don't. If you're not out now, no amount of leverage exists. You're just a real ding dong following along.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex has decided that he wants the death penalty for not just the shooter.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Everyone in those discords.

[Alex Jones]

We have armies of scum forming, celebrating murder, celebrating death. Giggling, laughing. It is absolutely out of control. This is their John Podesta funded insurrection. This is the main crisis for our republic. So I want action and I want action yesterday. I want it now. Now. Now. Now.

[Jordan]

Glenn.

[Alex Jones]

And when you got your warrants.

[Dan]

Now.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, it is. I. I even got mad. I love our riders of our crew, but you know, they always want to be very restrained. Oh, it appears there were people with prior knowledge in the town. It doesn't appear. They're like, he'll be dead tomorrow. Watch the day they kill him. See, I told you. You have prior knowledge. You're aiding and abetting. You didn't call the police when you got told your buddy in your cult was going to kill. Turns out he knew. Knew these people. Not just online. At least 20 in the Discord, at least six in the town. You knew he was going to kill Charlie Kirk and God forbid, shoot other people that weren't even the target. And you didn't do anything. You are an accessory to capital murder. I want them arrested, I want them indicted, I want them tried for aiding and abetting in capital murder as accessories. And I want them to be given the lethal injection. I want them dead.

[Jordan]

Huh?

[Alex Jones]

That's what we do to people like that. Protect the American people. Arrest these terrorists. Give them fair trials. And then kill them.

[Jordan]

Kill them.

[Alex Jones]

Federal government. Do your job. Kill them. Kill them. Kill them.

[Dan]

Kill them.

[Alex Jones]

All right, we're not taking it anymore.

[Dan]

So yeah, the put that on his.

[Jordan]

Wait, who's not taking it? If you're telling the government to murder people, I think we are taking it.

[Dan]

Look, it's disorienting because of Alex's entire life, but him screaming that the federal government needs to kill people.

[Jordan]

Kill them. Kill them. Where are we? What. What do you.

[Alex Jones]

We're where we were all along.

[Dan]

It's just. There's no pretending anymore.

[Jordan]

For sure.

[Dan]

He's not pretending to have some kind of. Like.

[Jordan]

I'm just. No, now I'm just interested in the logistics. But. Okay, so now we're past it. Right. Obviously, the government's just going to start murdering people left and right. Right.

[Dan]

No, just left.

[Jordan]

Exactly. What are the logistics, though? You know? Like, how are we doing this?

[Alex Jones]

Are we.

[Jordan]

Are we doing.

[Dan]

I hate to sound like broken clock or whatever, but Daleks with guns, I mean, that's.

[Jordan]

I feel like firing squad is the way to go. Let's go. Classic.

[Dan]

Especially with Daleks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, it's an evergreen idea.

[Jordan]

AI is now to the point now where we have to put Daleks with guns in there.

[Dan]

And of course, the dreaded Soylent Green trucks that Alex has said were coming.

[Jordan]

With COVID Yeah, I want. I want. I'm gonna go with blindfold and cigarette. I'm fine with that. I'll go out like that.

[Dan]

These days, it's gonna be a vape.

[Jordan]

The motherfuckers.

[Dan]

Blindfold.

[Jordan]

Finally, there's a reason to hate modernity.

[Dan]

You know what it's going to be? It's going to be VR goggles and a vape.

[Jordan]

You know what? That's. Hey, listen. You watch a little VR port and you get shot in the head.

[Dan]

Oculus and jewel.

[Jordan]

God damn. What a world.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that there's something just inherently fucking embarrassing about being Alex Jones and yelling that. Yeah, like, I don't know.

[Jordan]

There's something embarrassing about being anybody who says that the government should kill people just on account of, like, think about what governments do when you're like, hey, kill people. Not good. Never. It's never gone good.

[Dan]

It's so funny because Alex takes credit with popularizing the term democide.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Murder by government. He's such a fucking loser. God damn.

[Jordan]

You know, here's the thing that gets me about people who really do kind of tend to know the Geneva Conventions, how willing they are to throw them aside at any moment's notice.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, collective punishment is wrong. How about. Hear me out. What if we killed everybody who was nearby at any given point in time?

[Dan]

That's the only way to be safe.

[Jordan]

That's the Only way to be safe.

[Dan]

Damn.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex wants to crack down on the left because.

[Alex Jones]

You will do your job and you will protect the American people, or we will have your ass removed and we will find people that will do their job. Quite frankly, most of the feds are running around arresting legal aliens and gang bangers that are illegal aliens. That's good. But I think half of those should be cut back now and put on domestic terror operations for the avowed left, saying they want full. I mean, MSNBC had headlines, We've done major polls. Majority of Democrats want blood, want war, want to kill. Yeah, we know what we know.

[Jordan]

What show is this.

[Alex Jones]

Show? Do your job. Yeah, There's Nordine. Famously, when Andy tries to hit him with a metal baton that can kill you, he knocks the guy out defending himself. And they called him terrorist for that. Oh, you're a terrorist, right. Tries to hit you in the head with a metal baton.

[Dan]

Boom.

[Alex Jones]

That's what they don't like. Well, that's what the constitutional federal officers under Trump's command have a right to do. As symbolic is Nordine. They're swinging at us, they're killing us, they're attacking us. This is what you do through the courts, through law enforcement. That's what law enforcement needs. That's what the Trump administration. That's what the FBI must do. Now, this right here.

[Dan]

So to be clear, when Alex mentions Nordeen, he's talking about Ethan Nordeen, one of the proud boys who was charged with seditious conspiracy for trying to overthrow the election on January 6th.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Prior to that, he was a street fighter guy in the. In the proud boys. And you know that guy was coming at him with a baton because he had already assaulted people.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

Do you. Do you remember his nickname?

[Jordan]

Based Sick Man.

[Dan]

That was a different guy.

[Jordan]

I don't know. Was it. Was it just baton man?

[Dan]

No, Rufio Pan Man.

[Jordan]

No, it was that guy.

[Dan]

Ethan Nordean was Rufio.

[Jordan]

He has a name.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

They should have taken it from him.

[Dan]

Yep. Rufio Pan man is the model for Federal Police.

[Jordan]

This is what we. This is what they should have done from the beginning. I'm sending them to prison. Terrible idea, J6ers. Remove their names.

[Dan]

Make them go by their stupid.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Your name is done. We have removed it.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, I mean, I think that. I think that Alex is showing a little bit too much of his ass, but what are you gonna do?

[Jordan]

This is.

[Dan]

Do you know what? Okay, look, I love that the feds are out there trying to catch all people they suspect of being immigrants. I mean, obviously, I love that they're doing that now. Half of them should start building FEMA camps to put the left in.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, honestly, obviously, that's just. We need to maximize our resources here.

[Jordan]

Here's what I don't get. Right. This is. This is. Again, this is the thing that I just don't get. I. I mean, I understand. Oh, we're so angry. Yeah. That's fine. But this doesn't actually accomplish your goals. Right. You know, like, if your goal is to get rid of the left or whatever. The FEMA camp thing historically always just makes people, like, hardened, and then there's a terrorism and then there's a revolution, and then we do it all over again. Right.

[Dan]

Unless you learn from the lessons of the past and be harsher.

[Jordan]

No, that's the opposite of how it works.

[Dan]

Right. Maybe. But I think that you have to look at this from like a sort of. There's a bifurcated goal.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And there's the, you know, working towards a society that crushes the left. Sure. And also, Alex making a lot of money.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And this is a lot of. This is more in service of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that is a good point.

[Dan]

He's like, speaking to an audience that wants to hear this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's more like. Obviously, it's closer to where his heart is also, but he's now living in a world where you don't have to pretend that it's like, oh, so scary. The government. Oh, no, they're gonna get new world order. Oh, no, you don't have to do that shit anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You can be like, we run this shit. We are in control. The Rufio Pan man is a hero.

[Jordan]

I find it strange to think that somebody. Because we're. We're of the age, Right. So somebody's in the army right now or whatever. Who's my age. Like, this guy grew up when Limp Bizkit was on trl. Right. And then now he's gonna get an order that's like, start killing regular people, and then he's just gonna do it. Like, that's crazy.

[Dan]

Well, you just gotta keep crazy rolling, rolling, rolling.

[Jordan]

Exactly. You know that's what I'm saying? Like, what a wild thing. Why wouldn't you just be like, really? Nah, I don't think so.

[Dan]

You know what? I would say those orders got passed down.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Give me something to break. Trying to think of Smother Limp.

[Jordan]

I was gonna say I ran out of gas immediately.

[Dan]

When fascism rises, we Are all in together now.

[Jordan]

We are all biscuits.

[Dan]

So the media, everybody, they want to flood the zone with all this fake stuff about Charlie, trying to make him look bad now that he's dead.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, Nazis tend to look bad, but only.

[Dan]

Only if you make up stuff about them. If you don't, then they get to be angelic little cherubs forever, like Charlie deserves to be.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, let me tell you something else they're doing I'm gonna do a little bit later. They are flooding the Internet, just like with Trump, with fake quotes. Remember Trump? I hate all Mexicans. Never said anything close to it. Remember Trump? I think the KKK are very fine people. Remember that. He said the opposite. He said the KKK are not very fine people. Overhead shot almost. Please. They are flooding the Internet with stuff like this. Black women do not have the brain processing power to be taken seriously. You have to go steal a white person's slot. Charlie Kirk, July 23, never said anything close to that. Absolutely not true.

[Dan]

So Alex says that Charlie said nothing close to that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But here's what he said on his show on July 13, 2023. Quote, if we would have said three weeks ago that Joy Reed and Michelle Obama and Sheila Jackson Lee and Kataji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would have been called racist. But now they're coming out and saying it for us. They're coming out and saying, I'm only here because of affirmative action. Yeah, we know. You didn't have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person's slot to go be taken somewhat seriously. The unfortunate reality is that Charlie Kirk was a racist, and he recorded him saying a lot of the stuff that takes away from the saintly image that Alex and his ilk want to create. Now that he's dead, these statements in his career remain. They're real. So in order for Alex to deal with that, he's just decided he's gonna lie and pretend like, oh, he didn't say that stuff. No, he did. Yeah, he absolutely said that stuff.

[Jordan]

That's what. That's the problem. That's my point about all of this, is that what all of these people wish they could do now is remove everything that made Charlie Kirk a human being and just simply have their version.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Like, essentially, they want to, I guess, kill Charlie Kirk.

[Dan]

He is he. If they're able to sanitize his image in the aftermath of this, he is worth so much more to them dead than alive.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

They don't want to as a lie. He just goes to more of these college events and argues with people and he makes a lot of money. And, you know, period, there are gains that are made in terms of, you know, conservatism on college campuses having a stronger foothold. You know, there's, there are benefits to his continued push. But for folks like Alex, especially, like, this is far more useful now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, they love that he's dead. Which is ironic how their entire thing is about being mad that people are like, hey, it's fine that he's dead.

[Dan]

But here's the ironic thing, too, is that Alex agrees with what Charlie Kirk said.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

In that quote.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

But he knows that I have to make him out to be the most middle of the road person who was killed for his really tame speech.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

And just polite disagreements that he was having with people. So in order to, like, in order to sell him as this martyr, Alex has to deny things that he agrees.

[Jordan]

With Charlie about everything that Charlie Kirk was. Everything that made Charlie Kirk. Charlie Kirk needs to be sanded down until he is a fucking store mannequin.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And they can dress him however they like.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

So. So if anybody's killed Charlie Kirk, you got it.

[Dan]

Yeah. They're actively involved in killing, like the memory of what he actually was.

[Jordan]

I would, as a person, you would be like, don't do this to me.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, I think that it's, it's, it's making a misrepresentation of his history. To pretend he was wearing a swastika and yelling slurs all the time. Of course, like, that's a caricature of him.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But Alex is doing the opposite. Like, he's making a character in the other side where he's just like a good Christian boy who just wants to pray and everyone hated him for it.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And both are insulting versions of his memory.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Anyway, Alex gets to talking about how antifa. You know those guys.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

They need to be. They're terrorists.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Trump needs to treat them as such.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Let's go to Trump. This is Trump asked if we should designate Antifa and other radical groups as domestic terror.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

They literally call for the violent overthrow of the government, called for violence to shut people's speech down. They've killed a bunch of people. They're literally funded by Soros. They're engaged in. They've been killing a bunch of people in Europe. Now, now, now. 10 members of AFD that were in the lead have died in the last two weeks. It was 4, 5, 6, 7, 8. Now it's 10 magically died. Antifa just attacked a bunch of them over there violently. It's an international terror group. Yeah, absolutely. And 40% of them, on average, are crazy trainees.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, this is just nuts.

[Dan]

So there have been seven AfD candidates that have died in the run up to their election, but that isn't as statistically crazy as it might sound. Nine non AfD member candidates have also died. And a lot of this is because this number includes all the local elections and really minor races.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

There were over 20,000 candidates in the elections that these candidates came from. And maybe that number of deaths seems a little bit high, but on its own, it doesn't prove anything other than it looks high.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The German police have said that there's no sign of foul play in these deaths, but I guess Alex knows better. And why waste an opportunity to pretend that you're a victim?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Incidentally, just today, as we're recording, Trump did decide to designate ANTIFA as a terrorist organization, which is to say that he put a message out on social media. Okay, the king has made his decree. All right, quote, I'm pleased to inform our many USA Patriots that I am designating antifa, a sick, dangerous, radical left disaster, as a major terrorist organization that was all caps after an tifa.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's nice of him.

[Dan]

Yeah. This just makes me think of all the fun we had with Alex and the Mayak Report, how scandalous it was that the government could even acknowledge that some people within the militia movement were domestic terrorists. How like, that was the bread and butter of this show.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

None of that was sincere.

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

Nope, nope, nope.

[Jordan]

Not even a little bit.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Jordan]

But at least everybody wasted a lot of their time arguing with it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's crazy to me because I think, like, there's a good faith reason to possibly have humored some of Alex's stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But, like, I think that because a lot of people weren't paying attention, maybe people took it too seriously and it festered into. Into a lot of this we see now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's better to argue about something that's fictional than to deal with the truth. That's kind of. That's. That's. That's America's epitaph right there. Better to argue about something fictional.

[Dan]

And, you know, there's another deeply ironic thing, and that is that, like, Alex's whole thing, his whole, like, FEMA camps and, like, oh, they're gonna lock us up, all us patriots and all this that was based on Rex84.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which was a plan to lock up leftists and communists. Subversives.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So like Alex now wants to do Rex 84, which was the plan that he pretended was a target on him.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, he should go to hell. Real piece of shit.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep, yep. You better believe it.

[Dan]

But one thing you can't take away from him is that he's always right.

[Alex Jones]

My North Star is the truth. What I really believe is what I say. And that's why I'm right 98% of the time, more than anybody else out there. That's why it was a trans cult that did this. We had questions. It looks like there might have been a group piggybacking on it. I'll get to that later. Now that we've had time to ferret into it, there is evidence there was a shooter behind him at about 70 yards. We'll be getting to that later. And when they're, when the globalists and different groups are in the discords, they can piggyback with their wind up assassins like crooks in Pennsylvania. So I go where the facts lead me and where my deep knowledge of all the different facets go. I'm the guy that taught the public about false flags. When I first talked about false flags 31 years ago, no one, I mean 1% might have known about them. But now people think everything is a pure staged event. Well, you can also hype up these movements and basically take MK Ultra style control from beta to through the culture, through the drugs, through the media, through the discord channels and create basically the same thing, but then have plausible deniability vindicated.

[Dan]

Again, that's a bunch of word salad. But like I think that Alex is right about one thing and he's also wrong about it at the same time. But that like he taught everyone about false flags. Yeah, but it's not teaching.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

He exploited the idea that things could be a false flag.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And then made everyone think that everything was a false flag.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Until proven otherwise. And now he's snake bitten. He's, he has, he has cultivated and like an audience that's like, well, everything's, everything's fucking fake.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he doesn't want that mentality applied to things that he wants to be real.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He doesn't want this Charlie Kirk assassination to be viewed through the same prism that he would treat something like Sandy Hook or the Boston bombing, because that gets in the way.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Now it's not helpful. No, no, it is, it is interesting because what he's he's taught some people is how to use a tool to get money. Right. And other people, he's taught how to turn anything that they're afraid of or don't want into a fictional story. Right.

[Dan]

And the double side of that is he's taught some people how to make money with this tool and he's taught other people to accept this as explanation or a useful way to look at the world so these people can make money off.

[Jordan]

He's created a customer base. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely. He built a product and then now everybody uses the product and a lot of other people make the product better than him. And he's like, well, but I was the one who built it. That's it.

[Dan]

He is capitalism, man. Yeah. He's the victim of, like, his own shit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He created something that is a shortcut and is empty calories, basically. And someone's come along with a better version. That's exactly right.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And you should understand that.

[Jordan]

I mean, it seems like the. It seems like if you're super into capitalism, the one thing you should understand is when you're getting a capitalism done to you and when you're doing a capitalism. Right.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I don't know what amount of, like, sort of rear guard action Alex is going to be able to do to retain any kind of relevance. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Shit moves on. We all die. That's life, man.

[Dan]

Yep. And when you die, people will try to make money off you by wearing your skin and doing college tours.

[Jordan]

Yep, Yep. That's great.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Good stuff.

[Dan]

Oh, God. It's gonna be 2016 all over again with these shitheads trying to steal Charlie's thunder.

[Jordan]

Oh, God. We still gonna keep going? Free speech tours. Still gonna keep going.

[Dan]

And then there's gonna be a whole new wave of people being canceled and. And having specials called triggered and stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

I would really. I tire of people saying, well, how about let's run it back? Because I feel like that's my. That's what we're getting a lot.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Getting a lot of that.

[Dan]

Let's run it back as fun for a nostalgia. Like.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Let's get the dream team back together and have them shoot some hoops.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

For a commercial or something.

[Jordan]

Michael and Scotty get them all up there with maybe even Larry Bird. Fuck it.

[Dan]

Charles Barkley's like, can I play?

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

We all have a great time. This isn't. This isn't what we want to run back.

[Jordan]

This is no good.

[Dan]

Sucks shit.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

So we got One last clip here and it's Alex just saying that, you know, like, hey, some, if there's any racist violence, it's fake. Yeah, anything that happens that's inconvenient for me is gonna be fake.

[Alex Jones]

And then Destiny says, oh, what if he gets killed? Well, somebody might kill him and blame us. That's what we're talking about here is the incoming false flags into the final ingredient. Remember I told you all this when Trump got back in? They pre programmed it. Now they're going to engage in terror attacks on traditionally black colleges, black churches, that's what they've already programmed. And illegal alien demonstrations and say it was done for Charlie Kirk. And now they've evacuated the black colleges saying, oh, Charlie Kirk's a white supremacist. Not true. The white supremacist called and made threats and bomb threats because of Charlie Kirk. So when there's an attack, everybody's pre programmed. Oh, the school told us that Charlie Kirk supporters were coming to kill us. See how the frame job is already done. Just like they put out all these fake quotes. Notice, never video. Just an image of Charlie saying black women are stupid and should never be able to have a job. Said nothing. Even 1% close. Doesn't matter. I mean, you know, the NGOs, you know, Antifa, the leftists called in the death threats and bomb threats of the black colleges and it's happening at the churches. And then they say we got to evacuate. The whites are coming to kill us ahead of the attacks. It's just that simple.

[Dan]

It's that simple. So I. There's an element of this that I think is really weird. That is like, I feel like Alex is taking agency away from racists. You know, Like, I think like, if I were someone who is a big old racist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And maybe I had some violent tendencies.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I would see Charlie Kirk and I'd be like, there's a racist.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I might be mad that someone killed him. I think that there's a chance that I would want to commit some kind of violent act in retribution.

[Jordan]

It's generally how it works.

[Dan]

Alex is taking away their ability to do that.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's just not even a possibility that some racist would be like, hey, they killed a big racist. I'm mad now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Which is, which is one of those things where it is like on. It's so many. It's the two levels of conversation that are being had. Right. There's the, this is how you make money. And then there's the believe this shit and give US money. Kind of that in the same way, there's. There's this, like, I'm running cover for you so you can do this stuff, but unfortunately, because of the way we talk to each other, you only hear people don't do this stuff. You know, like you. If I. If I explain to you clearly why saying that you won't do it is allowing you to do it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Then I would also have to explain all the other shit that I don't.

[Dan]

Expect gets in the way of me being able to, like, get this message across to the real people that it's for. Which is the people who are going to continue giving me money.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Who might stop if they recognize that, like a big part of what I'm doing is running cover for someone to go attack a black church or something.

[Jordan]

Exactly. It's a big tent of people I'm lying to.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

None of whom understand each other and all of whom are participating in the own lie that they believe in.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This. This messaging is laser focused on people who would never do anything like that, but would start to maybe question what they're mixed up in and what their ideology is really about. If they, you know, saw things like Patriot front and Nazis marching, saying, are we the guys?

[Jordan]

If we have shock troops who murder people indiscriminately just because they belong to some group that's kind of like somebody.

[Dan]

Don'T worry about it. It's fake.

[Jordan]

There we go. That makes way more sense. So we are the good guy.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're so good that people have to pretend to be us and do bad things in order to make you think that you're bad. They're making you question yourself by playing dress up.

[Jordan]

You know what? It would require serious motivated reasoning to believe any of that, which is great for me because I have all of that motivation. I believe it all, baby.

[Dan]

I mean, if you can sell people this, like, blue drink, then I think that you can probably go ahead and get people to believe everything's fake.

[Jordan]

Ain't that the truth.

[Dan]

And then complain about how everyone thinks that everything's fake. Bunch of assholes.

[Jordan]

Oh, burn it.

[Dan]

Anyway, this is a little bit of a shorter episode, but I got. I got family in town. Family stuff, you know, I got. I got time to spend with family. And we'll be back next week with. You want some longer bullshit?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm sure we'll have some more long bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep. But one last thing. Yeah, yeah, we do have. So for everybody, we have not yet sold. December 18 show so there are still tickets.

[Dan]

So if you are holding back out of courtesy to allow other people to snatch some tickets up, you can if you want to come to both. Open season.

[Jordan]

Yep. And it will sell out. So just do it whenever you got time.

[Dan]

There'll be a link in the description.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

So. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, we'll be back with something so fun.

[Jordan]

A different universe. We'll be building a time portal and we'll be traveling to a different, different section of the world.

[Dan]

That's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna sit down and I'm gonna be like, let's find something fun.

[Jordan]

I think that's a great idea.

[Dan]

I will fail. Yeah, but we'll be back. Until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. @zellagefight.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy and Chanzas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.