Knowledge Fight Podcast
Episode #1084: October 9, 2025 (Recorded Oct 13, 2025)
Episode Overview
In this episode, Dan and Jordan return to their usual dissection of The Alex Jones Show, focusing on the post-Trump press conference broadcast from October 9, 2025. With Trump having just held a controversial event where he called for flag-burning to be criminalized and expanded his authoritarian rhetoric, the hosts anticipate a rare moment where Alex Jones might be forced to confront the contradictions in his own supposed principles—namely, free speech. Instead, they find Jones increasingly checked-out, grasping for relevance, recycling old conspiracies, and desperately killing air time with childish antics (literally throwing hats), all while avoiding the real story: his hero's full embrace of open tyranny.
Main Discussion Points & Insights
Bright Spots and Opening Banter (01:10–07:51)
- Neo recounts an ill-fated experiment combining Cocoa Pebbles and Fruity Pebbles cereal: “Turns out the reason they don’t do it is because it’s bad. They don’t work together well…” (01:19)
- Jordan shares a touching daily ritual with his dog, Sunny (“medicated shampooin’ your do”; 07:46).
- The show’s lighthearted start underscores the “little moments” that bring joy, with the hosts' living-room warmth setting the episode’s accessible tone.
Episode's Political Context: Trump’s Press Conference & Free Speech (07:57–19:02)
- Trump’s press conference is recapped, notably his call to criminalize flag-burning despite clear judicial precedent: “The President was saying…the courts recognize flag burning as protected free speech, but that he disagrees. So he's gonna put people in jail for it. This is tyrant shit.” - Neo (11:48)
- The hosts set up the expectation that, by Alex’s prior statements, he should be appalled by this move—citing years of Jones defending even distasteful uses of the First Amendment.
Alex Jones’s Historical Position on Flag Burning (12:33–18:14)
Key Clips, Attributions, and Analysis:
- 2003: “I will defend the right to burn it because it's the First Amendment. The soul of what the flag is... The First Amendment says I can burn that flag.” – Alex Jones (12:33)
- 2005: “When you arrest somebody for burning that flag...what you are, in a sense, doing is burning the First Amendment. You're actually burning the soul of that flag.” – Alex Jones (13:27)
- 2016: In conversation with Jesse Ventura, Jones reaffirms that Trump is wrong on flag-burning arrests and "if you do that, you can ban all the free speech." (15:24)
- 2019: “You have a right to burn the American flag...we shouldn't be incited to attack them when they do it. It's what they want.” (16:20)
- Neo and Jordan highlight that while Jones is disgusted by flag burning, he’s always unequivocal: the freedom is essential, and restricting it is a slippery slope.
Alex’s Response to Trump’s Authoritarian Turn (19:02–21:21)
- Instead of panic or principled objection, Jones ignores the free speech violation entirely, embracing Trump’s escalation against “antifa” and prepping for “Insurrection Act” talk.
- Neo: “Alex is very invested in Trump’s power grab, and he sees Trump dictatorship as preferable to a liberal democracy...He has retired [from being an interesting media figure].”
- The hosts analyze Jones’s loss of any pretense of principle, focusing only on preserving his own sense of relevance.
Morning Zoo Energy: Antics, Hat Throwing & Owen Schroyer Longing (87:58–98:47)
- Jones fills time by repeatedly throwing a sombrero at staff members—reminiscing about a time he managed to land a hat on ex-cohost Owen Schroyer’s head (“It's magic. He threw a hat and it landed on Owen's head.” - Neo, 90:38).
- This goes on for an uncomfortable length—demonstrating Jones’s checked-out state and “vacation day before bankruptcy” attitude.
- Discussion about the childish improvisation and sadness underlying Jones’s attempt to recreate “lightning in a bottle,” now absent his sidekick and in the face of looming legal defeat.
- Memorable meta-reflection: “This is like…when the teacher would just have reached the maximum amount of everything and be like, guess what? We’re playing Heads Up Seven Up now.” – Jordan (97:19)
Avoiding Reality — Jones’s Embrace of Fringe & Racist Content
- Paranoid Segments: A firefighter, Jesse Beltran, claims to scan guests for “nanotech microchips” in a segment so silly even Jones tries to insist it “isn’t kook stuff” (36:25). The hosts note how this “Nano Sapiens” promo is pure grift, not content.
- Antifa as International Terrorists: Jones continues pushing a long-debunked conspiracy that “Alexander Soros” funds antifa via “smoking gun documents” first found on 4chan (42:23, 47:22). The hosts walk through why these contracts are comically fake, their details internally inconsistent, and Jones’s memory of their origin ever-changing.
- Racist Fearmongering/Bigotry: Jones and Senator Tommy Tuberville rant about Muslims, “sharia law,” and Dearborn, MI, using decades-old discriminatory tropes (63:16–66:54). Jordan: “In reality, I don’t care what any other…municipal problems are that are not my municipal problems…just a regular ‘let’s go to city hall’ issue…”
- Propaganda and Deepfakes: Jones promotes racist “sombrero” memes—riffing off a Trump deepfake video—and mocks Hakeem Jeffries (83:36). “The president posted a deep fake video is really something I never could’ve seen coming.” – Jordan (85:11)
Media Literacy and Alex’s Diminished Role (55:48–56:48; 101:14–102:01)
- Neo and Jordan decry the collapse of critical media literacy, noting Jones and his ilk’s ability to make viewers “not even realize what they’re seeing.” Neo: “There is so little literacy about what the thing you’re seeing is saying…”
- “Whatever this is, is probably about what [Jones] can do. And that’s not good.” – Jordan (101:23)
Existential & Melancholy Tone—Knowledge Fight’s Thematic Close (104:01–End)
- The hosts reflect on Jones’s decline, both as media figure and as a person: “We're watching a guy bleeding…he should be put out of his own misery…not to say anyone should hurt him…but Infowars has to end. He's dragging this around with him. He even wants it to resolve.”
- Neo and Jordan note the cruel irony that Alex’s rise and Trump’s victory led to consequences that have destroyed both men’s sense of power.
- “Everything Alex has to offer exists without Alex and is better without Alex.” – Jordan (101:40)
Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments
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On Flag Burning and Free Speech:
- “The First Amendment says I can burn that flag.” — Alex Jones, 2003 (12:33)
- “When you arrest somebody for burning that flag…what you are…doing is burning the First Amendment.” — Alex Jones, 2005 (13:27)
- “If you do that [ban flag-burning], you can ban all free speech.” — Alex Jones, 2016 (15:51)
- “He’s always been unequivocal…restricting it is a slippery slope.” — Neo’s analysis (16:20)
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On Jones’s Disintegration:
- “Alex is just trying to hold on … and it’s holding on to the wrong thing.” — Neo (21:06)
- “This is like a catchphrase comic. Like, this is ‘get her done’…” — Neo mocking Jones’s soundbites (24:27)
- “Your Chicago Bulls starting lineup!” — Jordan, comparing Jones’s delivery to an NBA announcer (24:59)
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On the “Hat” Antics:
- “The sad thing is, no one can throw a hat like [Jones] can onto Owen’s head, but he just comes off like a prop comic...” — Neo (98:47)
- “A love letter to Owen. A ‘I need someone to take this away from me’…” — Jordan (97:50)
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On the Nature of Modern Conpsiracies:
- “Alex has forgotten more fake things than you’ll ever learn.” — Neo (42:10)
Timestamps for Key Segments
- Opening banter / Bright Spots: 01:10–07:51
- Trump’s press event debate/Free speech setup: 07:57–19:02
- Historic Alex on flag burning (clips): 12:33–18:14
- Jones’s current indifference to Trump’s tyranny: 19:02ff
- Day-killing “hat throwing game”: 87:58–98:47
- Debunking fake “Antifa-Soros riot contracts”: 42:23 (revisited 47:22)
- Alex’s rambling monologues/Microscan guest: 36:00
- Sen. Tuberville interview, anti-Muslim rant: 61:10–68:47
- On fake news, deepfakes, racist meme promo code: 83:36
- Closing reflection on Jones and Infowars: 104:01–End
Tone & Language
Jordan and Neo maintain their hallmark sardonic wit, warmth, and scholarly irreverence. They openly mock Alex’s authoritativeness, expose the holes in his stories, and—when the sadness of the spectacle supersedes the humor—brood with real empathy about the tragic ending awaiting both Jones and the larger paranoid movement he enabled.
Final Thoughts
For those who want to understand the right-wing conspiracist universe as it enters its exhausted and self-destructive phase, this episode is both hilarious and chilling. With the collapse of any pretense to principle or seriousness, Alex Jones becomes a cautionary tale—a man who, faced with the monster he helped create, can do nothing but throw hats and hope for applause.
Listen at: knowledgefight.com
Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Memorable quote:
“You’ve abandoned and given up on whatever it was that you were building, the pretense of your brand. The people who are worse than you don’t want you.… So you’ve got nothing. Except for this.” — Neo (23:10)