#1085: Tucker, The Man And His Texan

Summary

Knowledge Fight Podcast Episode #1085: Tucker, The Man And His Texan

Date: October 17, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Theme: Dan and Jordan review and analyze Alex Jones’ latest appearance on Tucker Carlson’s show, examining how Jones and Tucker’s narratives overlap, distort reality, and further conspiracy narratives.

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Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan take listeners through clips from Alex Jones' recent guest spot on Tucker Carlson’s show, exploring the shifting landscape of American right-wing media as Tucker appears to be vying to inherit Alex’s place as the king of conspiratorial discourse. Along the way, the hosts dissect lies about Ukraine, Russia, World War II revisionism, and white Christian grievance narratives — all with their trademark sardonic wit, deep context, and plenty of exasperation.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Podcast Bright Spots & Banter

• Dan and Jordan begin with their customary “bright spots,” joking about old TV shows (notably MacGyver's outlandish plots and 1980s attitudes toward lasers) and video games (Jordan’s tactical game with you-as-the-side-character storytelling, Hades 2).
  • [03:34-05:07] Jordan: “I genuinely have forgotten what TV was like when it was just silly and fun like that.”
  • [06:24] Dan: “Feels kind of like Skyrim...the world is existing in a civil war, while you're doing your dragon thing.”

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2. Alex Jones’ Legal Situation & Infowars Finances

• Dan updates on Alex’s legal woes: the Supreme Court’s refusal to hear his appeal, meaning Alex is running out of options and must keep Infowars going for bankruptcy optics and audience migration.
• Insights on Alex desperately needing attention for his new site/app, as Infowars is hemorrhaging money and legally circling the drain.
  • [09:32-10:11] Dan: “He has to keep Infowars running...if he just abandoned the company and moved on...it would destroy the idea he’s operating in good faith in bankruptcy court.”
  • [12:03] Dan: “Everything Alex says is a lie. Not because it’s all lies, but because if circumstances require it, anything he said can be disowned and it doesn’t matter.”

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3. Tucker Carlson’s "Meta-Alex" Transformation

• Dan observes Tucker now fully stepping into a Jonesian role: adopting conspiracy tropes, demon-battling rhetoric, and launching his own 9/11 “documentary” series.
• [13:25] Dan: “He’s wearing Alex’s skin.”
• [13:33] Dan: “If Tucker succeeds...Alex will officially be obsolete...just a guy who’s bald, who’s doing Tucker.”
• Jordan and Dan reflect on how Alex, once a rebel, is now just another whiny establishment parrot in a losing business.

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4. On Tucker’s Show: Russia-Ukraine Disinformation (Pro-Russia, Anti-NATO Rhetoric)

• Several clips showcase Jones and Tucker promoting a narrative that:
  • Russia is not the aggressor, the West is provoking war,
  • NATO is trying to midwife a decades-long war to destroy Europe and Christianity,
  • Ukraine support is a Soros/globalist plot.
• Dan debunks Alex's claim that the EU has a “20-30 year war” policy with Russia (Alex likely misreads "2030" as “20-30 years”).
  • [16:09] Alex: “NATO claims that Russia… preparing terror attacks…preparation for false flags that will then be blamed on Russia…”
  • [17:06] Tucker: “If you’re escalating the war at this point...it seems your goal is to destroy Europe.”
• Dan contextualizes these as rank propaganda strategies, enabled by willful omissions and avoidance of basic follow-ups:
  • [21:03] Dan: “The idea that the EU was planning a 20-30 year war with Russia is a big deal. And if Alex could prove it…it would go a long way toward proving the EU side… doesn’t have pure intentions. You notice Tucker doesn’t ask a follow-up or press Alex on it because he knows Alex is bluffing…”

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5. White Christian Civilization — Under Imagined Attack

• Repeatedly, the episode returns to claims that “Christendom” is under siege by globalists, liberals, and non-whites; Jones and Tucker push the idea Western civilization is besieged especially for being “white and Christian.”

  • [22:29] Alex: “Why is the Unelected Commission and US Neocons…committed to…destroy Christian civilization?”
  • [25:26] Tucker: “Why would the U.S. government continue to recognize Zelenskyy, who’s an unelected dictator who’s worked for years to destroy Christianity in Ukraine…?”

• Dan and Jordan eviscerate these claims, explaining:

  • Zelensky’s “anti-Christian” moves were attempts to sever ties between alleged Russian spy-churches and Moscow, not to ban Christianity.
  • Wartime Ukraine suspending elections reflected majority will due to invasion logistics.
  • The Christian-persecution frame is a repackaged, evidence-free culture war myth.

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6. Tucker’s Evasion & the Strategic Cutaway

• When Alex asks Tucker a direct, tricky question, Tucker seamlessly cuts to an ad for beef tallow chips.
  • [32:31] Alex: “Why is [Trump] suddenly changing course? Tucker, you know a lot better than I do.”
  • [32:40] Dan: “This is known as a strategic commercial break…Tucker chose to go to a commercial there because Alex just asked a direct question that implicates Tucker’s inside knowledge...and Tucker doesn’t want to answer.”
  • When they return, Tucker cycles the conversation back to friendly “Zelensky is a crook” talking points.

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7. 9/11 Truth & The Complicity Game

• Alex asserts neocons (U.S./Israeli) orchestrated 9/11 to enable war (the “Project for a New American Century” story), directly implicating Tucker by proximity.
• Tucker openly affirms: “That’s not a theory. I was there. I…shared office space for the Project for New American Century. I worked at the Weekly Standard…” [35:38]
• Dan points out: If Tucker really knew what he claims, he’s confessing to being wittingly part of a mass-murdering state conspiracy; more likely, he’s grandstanding.

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8. Pseudo-intellectualizing Antisemitism & the Neocon Trotskyite Fantasy

• Alex claims neoconservatives are literal Trotskyite communists who came to the U.S. to “regain Russia” and conflate “neocon” with both Jewishness and secret Bolshevism.
  • [38:46] Alex: “It is a fact, historical fact…[neocons] are literal Trotskyite communists, Russian derivation, that set up…neoconism. Cheney, Rumsfeld…weren’t Jewish, but were large parts of the neocon system…Netanyahu plugged in…”
• Dan rebuts: Neocons were anti-1960s liberals, not Trotskyites. The “neocon” as anti-Semitic code is a right-wing trope; again, Tucker just nods along.

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9. World War II Revisionism & Charles Lindbergh’s Baby

• Tucker and Alex float that the U.S. should have stayed neutral in WWII, claiming the “majority” supported this, invoking Lindbergh and even suggesting his baby was kidnapped as warning!
  • [90:20] Tucker: “You can say, you know, in 1941…we’re not going to support…totalitarian system Joseph Stalin…we’re not for Hitler…we’re for us…Charles Lindbergh and the majority…have been slandered.”
  • [90:53] Alex: “And they kidnapped Lindbergh’s baby…to teach him.”
• Dan correctly points out this is deranged revisionism, conveniently forgetting the Holocaust, the reality of U.S. opinion, and facts about Lindbergh.

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10. Race, DEI, and the "White Persecution" Narrative

• Multiple exchanges are devoted to lamenting how defending "whiteness" is now forbidden, and that white people are uniquely un-tribal, passive, and victimized.

  • [73:08] Alex: “Whites have had it bred out of us to not be tribal…”
  • [86:36] Tucker: “They’re taking your defenses down…so you can’t fight back.”

• Dan: These are apologia for racism, surreally couched in faux-chagrin about “never having met a white supremacist.” Dan and Jordan note how these arguments wink to racists but shield those wanting plausible deniability.

• Charlie Kirk’s racism is repackaged as anxious “meritocracy” concern:

  • [76:39] Dan: “If you’re white, you deserve to be in whatever position you’re in. If you’re not then you need to prove you deserve to be there...[DEI] is just about [widening] recruitment.”

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11. The “Podesta Plan” and Civil War Movie Paranoia

• Alex spins a fantasy that a 2020 Transition Integrity Project war-game ("the Podesta Plan") and the recent "Civil War" film are predictive-programming blueprints for mass blue-state secession and "white genocide."
  • [54:56] Alex: “We’ll have blue states secede…Western states, California, Oregon, and Washington…form what we call the Western Alliance…Then the US Military will be with us…they made a movie called ‘Civil War’...That’s the last act of the Podesta plan.”
• Dan: None of this comports to reality. The TIP report was about possible election chaos scenarios, not blue-state secession dreams — and the movie purposely omits a cause for the conflict.

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12. Apocalyptic Imagery & Fantasies of Leftist Violence

• Alex claims literal armies of Antifa, drug-fueled sleeper cells, and “Manson Family x 10,000” are waiting in cities, under NGO command, to massacre right-wing figures and their families when “given the green light.”
  • [69:04] Alex: “As soon as they give the green light, they are going to just pile in their vans and come to kill…Think of helter skelter times 10,000.”
• Jordan and Dan mock the logic: “Why would you keep drugs, junkies, and guns all in the same warehouse?”

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13. Trump, Military, and Fascist Fantasies

• Tucker and Alex explicitly argue Trump should “make certain the general officers in your military were loyal to the Constitution,” i.e., purged for loyalty; Alex says it’s not just Trump’s right, but “his duty.”
  • [66:20] Tucker: “You would need to make certain the general officers…were loyal to the Constitution.”
  • [66:29] Alex: “…It’s not Trump’s right, it’s his duty.”
• Dan notes: This is not constitutionalism, it's advocating direct executive control of the justice system and military — textbook strongman government.

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14. Alex’s Lies About Recent News Events

• Alex falsely accuses people connected to a Minnesota shooter of being active conspirators, lying about their actions and ties, earning Jordan’s suggestion that a “Sonic the Hedgehog Law” be introduced to ban serial legal abusers like Alex at some point.
  • [63:22] Dan: "In a just world, Alex should be sued by Vance Bolter’s wife and the roommate just for that last minute…he’s accusing people of being involved in political assassination, murders.”

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15. Bizarre Diversions: Kanye West & Paranoia About Living at Home

• Alex claims Kanye’s “black eyed” mask-wearing at Jones’ own Hitler-sympathizing interview was the sign of a drug bender and regrets airing it (despite doing the same with Nick Fuentes and still courting him).
• He pretends he doesn’t sleep at his house due to antifa threats, immediately contradicted by his own words in the next sentence.

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16. Loose Ends and Recurring Themes

• The episode ends with the hosts realizing they ran out of time before Jones' and Tucker’s discussion concluded, deciding they likely will (but probably won’t) finish it next time. The overall conclusion is that the conversation is endlessly repetitive, delusional, conspiratorial, and racist — and yet ideologically energizing for their audience.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan [12:03]: "Everything Alex says is a lie. Not because it’s all lies, but because if circumstances require it, anything he said can be disowned and it doesn’t matter."
• Jordan [17:35]: “At a certain point, as long as you spend a lot more money than you realistically afford to conquer an hour of driving space, you probably lost.”
• Tucker [35:38]: "That’s not a theory. I was there. I shared office space for the Project for New American Century."
• Alex [54:56]: "We’ll have blue states secede… form what we call the Western Alliance…"
• Jordan [73:08]: "Whites have had it bred out of us to not be tribal..."
• Tucker [86:36]: "They’re taking your defenses down…so you can’t fight back…"
• Alex [79:46]: “Whatever the deal is with the left. They want to kill Christian farmers and they want to kill Christian white farmers.”
• Tucker [90:20]: “You can say…in 1941...we're not for Hitler. We're not for Stalin. We're America. We're for us.”

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Important Timestamps for Reference

• [09:32-12:03]: Deep dive into Alex’s legal strategy, Infowars finances.
• [13:25-13:40]: Dan and Jordan discuss Tucker’s attempt to become a new “Alex.”
• [16:09-18:26]: Anti-NATO/Russia-Ukraine narrative, “EU wants a 20-30 year war” debunked.
• [22:29-23:35]: Claims about West's war on “Christian civilization.”
• [32:31-33:38]: Alex’s question makes Tucker cut to ads (“strategic commercial break”).
• [35:32-36:39]: 9/11 “inside job” narrative and Tucker’s role.
• [54:56-59:12]: “Podesta Plan,” "Civil War" movie as prophecy, complete fantasy territory.
• [66:20-67:02]: Trump should force military loyalty, advocate prosecutions (explicit authoritarianism).
• [69:04-71:11]: Alex’s “Antifa sleeper cells” fantasy.
• [76:39-78:11]: Charlie Kirk’s “meritocracy” and real racist subtext.
• [79:46-80:01]: The “left wants to kill white Christian farmers” claim.
• [86:36-88:04]: Defending “white tribalism” and coded racism.
• [90:20-91:11]: World War II revision, Lindbergh, America as “exceptional” by nonintervention.

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Tone and Language

The conversation is mock-serious, caustic, and analytical; Dan and Jordan use sarcasm and deadpan humor to puncture the absurdity and malice in Jones/Tucker fantasies. They keep the original language when quoting (including often letting Alex and Tucker hang by their own words), and maintain a conversational style challenging listeners to think deeply about the underlying motives and implications.

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Conclusion

Dan and Jordan dissect how Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson create a closed ecosystem of conspiracies, historical distortions, and white Christian victimization, enabling far-right radicalization and blurring the line between clownish self-parody and dangerous fascist propaganda. The hosts’ skeptical, evidence-based approach highlights the emptiness of Jones’s “facts” and the cynicism behind Tucker’s role as a new ringmaster of American reactionary media.

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For more:

• Visit knowledgefight.com
• Episode recommended for those interested in the evolution of right-wing media, political disinformation, and how absurd conspiracies are manufactured and laundered into mainstream discourse.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex]

Nop.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Alex]

Nop. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgefight.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Need.

[Alex]

Need money. Andy and Kansas.

[Jordan]

Andy.

[Dan]

Andy.

[Alex]

Stop it. Andy and Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a first time caller.

[Alex]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today? Might as well talk about MacGyver. Might as well watch episode five. All right, still strong. Still going strong. Okay, one kiss.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

So he's up to seven.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Still quite. I mean, he's ahead of the game.

[Jordan]

Same. I'm assuming it's a different lady.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

For what? In what context are we getting smooches this time?

[Dan]

I don't remember. I just remember it happened.

[Jordan]

Okay, fair enough. Fair enough.

[Dan]

Oh, no, no. I do.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Dan]

But the context that I would need to. Okay, I'll just give it to you.

[Jordan]

Go for it.

[Dan]

They're sitting in the front seat of a convertible.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

That has fallen out of a plane. And there's a parachute, a giant parachute. So they're like floating to the ground, of course. And she's very excited. So they kiss.

[Jordan]

Right. And I assume they're floating flat as opposed to being vertical as you would imagine how it would go. All right.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Perfectly balanced.

[Jordan]

Perfectly balanced for a nice kiss.

[Dan]

Sitting there in a convertible with a trunk full of diamonds.

[Jordan]

Like a hot air balloon kind of situation. That would be romantic.

[Dan]

Actually, in the last episode, MacGyver did escape from a place in a hot air balloon, which I thought was so inefficient.

[Jordan]

It's a wildly so slow. It's. Boy, it would be hard to. It would be hard to chase somebody in a. In a hot air balloon and not go like, well, I mean, let's have a picnic first. We'll catch up.

[Dan]

So in this episode, a guy who runs a casino stole £200 of diamonds.

[Jordan]

That's a lot of.

[Dan]

From international aid. It was supposed to, like, the money that involved with these diamonds was supposed to go to feeding a famine country that is experiencing a famine. And so he stole it.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And he's gonna sell it. You know, make a. Make a lot of money.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yeah.

[Dan]

So MacGyver has to break into his casino, find out where the diamonds are. And once he does find out, they're in the guy's private suite.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He concocts an elaborate system where he pours the diamonds down a rain gutter and then they all go into the trunk of this car.

[Jordan]

Genius.

[Dan]

Yeah. While the woman that he is working with is pulling off an elaborate distraction to cause a riot at the casino. Okay, man. It's good.

[Jordan]

That's great.

[Dan]

It's just good stuff.

[Jordan]

That sounds great. That sounds like fun. It sounds like. I genuinely have forgotten what TV was like whenever it was just silly and fun like that. Now it's either silly and serious about being silly. Like, hey, we're absurd. This isn't a joke. This is crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or it's all soap operas.

[Dan]

Yeah. I'm still not sure who he is, what he does or anything.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But there's something about 1985 that I fucking love, and that is that they do not quite care about lasers.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But they know they're powerful.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

So in one episode, he used a laser, like just a mirror, and he reflected the laser back at itself, and then it exploded, of course. That was great.

[Jordan]

Can't do lasers. Can't do that. They know they can't do that.

[Dan]

And in this episode, the guy has a penthouse, and he. He has, like, a laser. Like a trip alarm kind of thing.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

If you walk through this doorway, the.

[Jordan]

Laser alarm goes off.

[Dan]

Right. So what MacGyver does is he takes a tube, Right. And he puts the laser in one end of the tube.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And then bends it.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So he can duck under the laser.

[Jordan]

I don't think that's how that works.

[Dan]

He connects it at both sides, though. So the laser is being directed through this tube.

[Jordan]

Right. No, I get that.

[Dan]

I get that.

[Jordan]

And maybe that is how that works.

[Dan]

It's great.

[Jordan]

But also, maybe that would just trip out anyways.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

Probably just trip it.

[Dan]

It's silly. But it's also not like. So it's not it. I believe someone could have thought that would work in 85.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean. And the TV. Yeah, those. The premises were just always so great. This guy has a helicopter. The end that is the show. This man solves problems using his helicopter.

[Dan]

Great. Perfect. This guy is just cool.

[Jordan]

He's just really good at stuff in.

[Dan]

A pinch and literally everything. Yeah, good and good on him.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is we talked about it a while back. I was looking forward to Hades 2 and the tactics. I was playing Hades 2 for a while, but then I got back into tactics and, man, it's just one of the. It's just so great. Yeah, it's so great. And I was thinking about what makes it so great from a storytelling perspective. And it does have one of my favorite things to do, which is the story is not the story.

[Nick]

Right.

[Jordan]

You're playing somebody else's side character. You've got your own whole thing going on. Right. But beside you is the. Is the actual King Arthur, the guy who's going to become the king. The guy who's going on that whole hero's journey to. To defeat this guy and yada, yada, yada. And you're over here, and your story intersects with the. That one. Like, it comes in and out. You know, it's always around you, but you're on this different quest entirely.

[Dan]

Feels kind of like Skyrim, the way that they're. Like the world is existing in this civil war kind of thing. But then also you're.

[Jordan]

And then you're doing your dragon thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Nick]

It's.

[Jordan]

It's. Whenever you. Whenever you've got a straightforward plot where you start from one point and you end at another. Right. One of the great ways to make it feel like there's a lot of twists and turns is if you're setting is the plot of another book.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Right. So it's like. Well, I'm just. I'm going from room to room in this house. Basically. Each room is like a new encounter.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But the way it makes me feel like I'm twisting and turning on. On the ocean is because that other guy is just running by me, going, like. And then he's gone. Yeah, it's great.

[Dan]

I. I know I told you I would play it, and I've. I've yet to do that, but one of these days I will. I'm based on everything you've said and everybody else has said. I can't imagine how I would be disappointed.

[Jordan]

I don't. I just don't know how to build it up more. Because if you don't like it, fine, whatever. You're wrong. That's how great it is.

[Dan]

That's fair. That's fair. I have that feeling about some things. I will. I will hear no negative talk about it.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I respect that. Other people have their things.

[Jordan]

It can be done.

[Dan]

So I'll check that out. I've also been playing a little Hades, too.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm enjoying it. It's fun.

[Jordan]

It's good stuff. It's like Hades, but it's more.

[Dan]

It's almost exactly like Hades, but more.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's great.

[Dan]

Nuts. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over and we're gonna talk about something. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, my partner is Alex. And I'm Nick. Lately, we've thrown countless white supremacist quotes on each other. While y' all were talking about Jones and Fuentes signed two wonks with unfortunate names. Thank you so much. You're now Ballsy Wonky.

[Alex]

I'm a policy Won.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next to the one and only Shub Nugurath the First. You have made us happy beyond what we thought was possible. You've enriched our lives so much that we cannot express it in words. We salute you and will forever be members of the cult of Shub Nugorath the First. We miss you. Anit, Atina, Roberto and Dalek. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Next. Mickle. But. Oh, God, don't say it like it rhymes with nickel. It's pronounced like michael. Thank you so much. You are now policy wonk.

[Alex]

I'm a policy one.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

I played along with that one and we got 10th grade in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to shout out to DJ Danarchy. The opening still slaps on 1.5 speed. Big up to Dan's mom for getting him to keep the full version. Jordan's wife for turning him into a wife. Guy is my permanent bright spot. All meows be to Celine and Jordan. Can I please get a throwback? Hi, Carrie. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

[Jordan]

Hi, Carrie.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, big news this week around infowars.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

The Supreme Court once again officially refused to hear an appeal of Alex's defamation cases where he lost by default judgment. In terms of the court, there are no more moves for him to make. And for the most part, Alex is just kind of waiting for the other shoe to fall so he can get on with it. In the current status quo, he has to keep Infowars running for two reasons. One, if he just abandoned the company and moved on to his new fake businesses, it would destroy the idea that he's operating in good form, Faith and the bankruptcy court. And it could lead the courts to consider treating the new businesses, these fake businesses, as extensions of Infowars, and thus they might end up becoming subject to the bankruptcy.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

Two, the audience needs to see him be forced out of Infowars, which is to say that he can't leave on his own. His entire life has been a build up to being Colonel Travis at the Alamo, and this is basically his only shot to capture those optics. Alex can't afford to blow this spectacle, and he knows that his audience would feel pretty let down if he voluntarily left the studio, so someone needs to drag him out. Interestingly, the worst thing that could happen to Alex right now is for this to go on longer. Every day he has to keep Infowars open is a day he's losing some amount of money on the crew and the overhead of that dumb studio. So he has to be really hoping that people come to seize his shit soon. As I've said a bunch, the primary mission for Alex right now is customer migration and making sure that most people possible go to this new app and his new website. If he can get a relatively close number of customers to make that jump with him, he'll be able to continue doing the same kind of bullshit he's been doing. But with the huge expenses that Infowars brought with it, limited because it'll just be doing a podcast, lowering the overhead.

[Jordan]

For his ridiculous business would make more sense than any other choice he could make.

[Dan]

Yeah. And thus it wasn't too surprising to see that Alex was out of studio earlier this week. He has more important tasks than his own show right now. Between the legal stuff and the need to drum up attention for the new site, as Alex has become entirely untethered to any pretense of caring about his precious constitution, I'm sure the audience has noticed that I've had a little bit less interest in him too. He's only a compelling figure so long as he's presenting a perspective that you can disagree with, but you have to accept is rooted in some sincere belief. Once that grounding is taken away, then there's no standard to judge a person by. Everything Alex says is a lie. Not because it's all lies, but because if circumstances require it, anything he said can be disowned and it doesn't matter.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

During the first Trump term, Alex probably wanted Trump to do a lot of the shit that he's doing now, but the difference is he is doing it now in the abstract. With someone like Alex, it's hard to take his shit talk too seriously. He sold shirts that said lock her up. But you kind of got the sense that if Trump legit arrested Hillary, Alex might have thought that was going too far. January 6th is a perfect embodiment of this tension where he spent months leading Stop the Steal protests and screaming about how the election was stolen. But when the rubber hit the road and people were storming the Capitol, he was on a bullhorn trying to stop them. The business always came first. And having a tyrant in office was bad for business. Overthrowing the 2020 election and killing Democratic senators in a riot at the Capitol, that would have been bad for business. And I think this is part of what's fundamentally changed. Trump just is the business now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is it. As I've been losing my interest in Alex, I've simultaneously been picking up much more interest in Tucker Carlson, who's clearly decided that he wants to be the next Alex. He's been attacked by a demon. He's building a media empire funded by bizarre, low rung, but loyal sponsors. And right now he's in the middle of releasing a five documentary series about what really happened on 9 11.

[Jordan]

That actually is Alex Jones. Yeah, That's Alex's whole thing.

[Dan]

He's wearing his skin.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah. And if Tucker succeeds in the pivot that he's in the middle of, Alex will officially be entirely obsolete.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He will just be a guy who's bald, who's doing Tucker. Tucker will have stolen his entire spirit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Because he used to be. He used to be able, at the very least, to do something that Tucker could never do, which is throw hatchets at shit.

[Dan]

Be free.

[Jordan]

Right. But now he can't even do that.

[Dan]

Not really.

[Jordan]

He's weak.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's. It's like, you know, Glenn Beck can pretend to be me, but he will never be me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Now it's like Tucker is just you.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You are. You're pretending to Be you. If anybody's pretending to be you, it's you.

[Dan]

Damn. So I've been watching more Tucker and guess what the fuck happened? Alex popped up as a guest again. I've tried to get some space from this ding dong and he won't leave me alone. So today we're gonna talk about Alex being on Tucker.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, great.

[Dan]

He just. I understand that I do a podcast about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But I feel like he's following me.

[Jordan]

That's. Yeah. It shouldn't be that way. It's supposed to go the other direction.

[Dan]

At worst, I'm trying to, like, get some breathing space by going and like, going to a different bar than I usually go to go over to the Tucker Bar. Alex just ends up showing up with some other friends at the Tucker bar. God damn it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I've never imagined. Imagine the idea of somebody like, lightly stalking you. And your response to that was just being like, oh, you think you know how to stalk, motherfucker, I'm in your bathroom and just going way too hard on it.

[Dan]

It's like that, that episode of Tenacious D, the old HBO show where they have a fan who they think is a stalker and then they end up stalking.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's right. Yeah, yeah, Yep, yep, I remember that.

[Dan]

So we start off, Tucker, saying hello to Alex. Welcome him to Demented Mayberry.

[Nick]

Alex Jones, ladies and gentlemen. Really glad to have you back.

[Alex]

It's always great to be with you and your wonderful crew in Florida, but Maine is my favorite. This is truly a little slice of Mayberry.

[Nick]

Mildly Demented Mayberry. Thank you.

[Dan]

Gotta love that guitar, man.

[Jordan]

He should not be allowed to steal that down home country ass bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah, let him have it. I don't give a shit. Okay, so most of the beginning of the episode where they jump in is talking about Russia, talking about how NATO is bad and Russia is very good, they're great. And so they come to a position that I think is really interesting, and that is that supporting the Ukraine is actually anti Europe.

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Alex]

And then now, as I predicted, it was the next move. NATO claims that Russia is going into the zero phase or zero hour, and that NATO's now putting out propaganda the last 48 hours that Russia has pre positioned undercover Spetsnot special forces all over Europe preparing terror attacks and mass casualty events. And that Russia is preparing to attack Europe proper, which of course is completely insane to do that offensively. And so that fits the pattern of the preparation for false flags that will then be blamed on Russia as the pretext to Invoke the articles in NATO. That brings NATO directly into war. That if the United States is still part of NATO, that will drag us directly into war with Russia. That will quickly escalate the thermonuclear war in every major war game there is. That's why Elon Musk and Senator Lee, that it's time for us to get out of NATO immediately.

[Nick]

If you take three steps back. So Europe has no reason to fight Russia at all. Europe has every reason to cooperate with Russia, at least on energy, but on a lot of things, probably it refuses. Russia's now formed an alliance, probably permanent, with China. And so. And Ukraine, of course, can't win. They don't have the manpower. They never could. So if you're escalating the war at this point, if you're promoting the war at this point, it seems to me your goal is to destroy Europe.

[Dan]

So obviously, a huge part of this show is how great Russia is and how bad Ukraine is, because that's an important piece of Alex and Tucker's politics right now. Tucker's argument is, fine, if you take out the part where Russia invaded Ukraine and Ukraine is our ally. They aren't in NATO, but we and other countries in Europe have relations with them and they were invaded. He can say that Europe has no reason to fight with Russia, but they actually do. In order for Tucker to hold this position, he has to think that it's fine for countries to invade their neighbors and that it only makes sense to provide aid to allies if they're gonna win a conflict. Yeah, Tucker just supports Russia and Putin, but he's not willing to own that position because he knows he couldn't defend many of the points he'd have to deal with if he just came out with it. So he does bullshit like this and pretends, oh, there's no reason why they would have a problem with this. This invasion.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. And I would say to. To the last point, you know, I would argue that the Taliban won. So I think really, at a certain point, it's just to, like, as long as you spend a lot more money than you can realistically afford to spend trying to take over an hour of our, you know, an hour of driving space, I think you probably lost.

[Dan]

I think Tucker has interesting and evolving positions on the Taliban over the years.

[Jordan]

I bet he does.

[Dan]

So Alex is. He's like, this Russia stuff, Israel with all this stuff. No, no, no. We should focus on China. It's going to be China.

[Alex]

Okay. It has been the policy United states since the 50s right through Nixon, right through Reagan, right through Herbert Walker Bush, right until just the last five years or so to split China from Russia, of course. And that is a very good policy. And you have China that is actually expanding all over the South China Sea, just cut off 95% of rare earth minerals to the world, including the US. Serious act of war, absolutely vital in everything we do. For folks who don't know, nothing works. Cell phones, computers, avionics and aircraft, everything, satellites is based on those. That's another question. How is China allowed to position itself for 95% plus control of rare earth minerals? That's a serious act of war. So their expansion is taking islands, the Philippines, taking drilling rigs, you know, off the coast of Vietnam. All that's happening. They just put a communist government or trying to fully in South Korea. So China is on the move and everything should be focused on them. It is a strategic blunder of biblical proportions to be roped into the Soros NATO war. But NATO and the EU unelected commission has said for years that Europe's demographics and finances are the worst of any first world nation or sector. And so they say their business model is a 20 to 30 year war conventional with Russia that they believe will allow them to stay on a war economy and will finally break Russia and then they will break Russia into five parts. That's official EU Commission policy.

[Dan]

So right here would be a good time for a sincere interviewer to ask Alex where he was getting this 20 to 30 year EU Commission policy from. It's stated policy. So there must be a primary source that Alex is pulling from. Right. You'd think he'd be able to produce this quite easily.

[Jordan]

It would, it would, otherwise it wouldn't be stated. Yeah, the stated part means that it has been stated.

[Dan]

Yeah. The EU Commission is a real body that puts out white papers. So if it's their policy, then it should be super easy to back this.

[Jordan]

Up, especially if they stated it.

[Dan]

The EU Commission put out a white paper titled European Defense Readiness 2030 and I'm kind of suspicious that Alex took the 20 and 30 from there. That's the year 2030.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I wish that didn't sound so right.

[Dan]

It's about how the EU countries need to enact a plan of defensive rearming in the face of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. But it doesn't say say that they need a 20 to 30 year war for economic or demographic reasons. Yeah, the idea that the EU was planning a 20 to 30 year war with Russia is a big deal. And If Alex could prove it, it would go a long way towards proving that the EU side here doesn't have pure intentions in the conflict. So that's something that Tucker should be eager to show everyone. You notice that he doesn't ask a follow up about this or press Alex on it because he knows that Alex is bluffing all this shit. And it only works if you don't question it. Just go along with it. Act like, oh my God.

[Jordan]

Because it doesn't matter if it's true or not. You're not interested in the truth of what you're saying. The only thing that matters is I am saying this. Russia good, Europe bad. This is the bullshit I'm making up. You say it later to somebody else, it doesn't matter. I don't care.

[Dan]

Yeah, and Alex has a posture too, of just like he's just saying, just saying stuff, you know, like it's just dull. He wants to be taken seriously. Right. And Tucker having to sit there and play straight man to that is awful. It's just an embarrassing setup for both participants. But you know, they talk about what they need to talk about, which is that, you know, Christendom is under attack.

[Jordan]

Of course it is.

[Alex]

And the question is, why is the Unelected Commission and the US Neocons and left fully supporting this commitment to.

[Nick]

Because they want to destroy Christian civilization. That's why. Yes, that's why they got behind the first and second world wars. And it's why the lesson that they taught us in school was that it's dangerous to have a big white Christian country, which is not actually.

[Jordan]

And then I don't think they taught you that lesson.

[Nick]

Destroy those countries and they've succeeded.

[Alex]

And Russia is, is a very Christian nation, very pro Western. And the left hates that. And so now they, they. Exactly. How do they turn over the chessboard when the Hollywood satanic globalist black rocket leader failing is you kamikaze the Russians in America and Europe into a giant climactic war while the globalists sit back and watch us all kill each other.

[Nick]

Totally right. I think that's totally right. Why are we participating in it? Why would the US government ever send long range missiles? Why would that. Basically, if we send those munitions to Ukraine, we're at open war. We've been at war with Russia for three and a half years, as you know. But that would be open war. Why would, why would we go along with that?

[Dan]

So you can see from this clip that the conversation that they're interested in having is one about white Christian identity, not anything about geopolitics. So let's just dispense with that illusion. As for why the US might be sending Tomahawk missiles to Ukraine, that's a question for Tucker and Alex's chosen leader. Biden didn't do that. The globalists didn't do that. Their daddy is the one who's talking about that. Which is weird considering that he had that whole PR spectacle like six months ago where he yelled at and humiliated Zelensky in the White House. Yeah, seems like this Trump guy is inconsistent and dangerous. Oh well, probably the globalists fault.

[Jordan]

I wish there was some sort of mechanism that. Cuz it would be like, hey, listen, you'd have to be an idiot looking at the, the history of humanity and not think, well, we're gonna give an idiot too much power. Right. That happens 100% of the time in all historic governments. We're gonna give an idiot too much power. So what we gotta do is we gotta build into our system a system that will correct for when that idiot gets into power. Well, just have it there. If it needs to be declared, I'm sure people will have the backbone necessary.

[Dan]

To declare in case of idiot break glass.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Dan]

Well, you know, like fires happen and that's why you have sprinklers and extinguishers.

[Jordan]

Yep. It is. It sucks. It sucks knowing that we have a fire extinguisher but everybody around it is like it could get hot.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it sucks that you're having to watch people like Alex and Tucker who were like set the fire and started screaming about burn, burn. And they love the fire.

[Jordan]

Oh, they love it.

[Dan]

And now they're pointing out that there's a fire.

[Jordan]

Well, it's not our fault that there's a fire.

[Dan]

Yeah, fuck you, dude.

[Jordan]

Fuck you.

[Dan]

So the US continues to recognize Zelensky as the leader in Ukraine. But like, why?

[Nick]

Why would the US government continue to recognize Zelenskyy, who's an unelected dictator who's worked for years to destroy Christianity in Ukraine, which is a Christian country and has always been. Why would he be invited to the White House this week? I don't understand. When he's. He does not have a democratic mandate, he's not an elected leader, he's a murderer. They've sold our weapons to some of the worst terror groups in the world and we're treating him like he's a head of state, like, why are we doing that?

[Alex]

And just what, A few weeks ago, three weeks ago, he was back at the White House and Trump Then posted True Social. And I love Trump overall, but Trump started doing a 180 from saying, we need to get out of this and saying, well, we're out of it, but we'll sell whatever weapons to Europe you want. And I feel like Ukraine's gonna win and maybe not just get back its territory, but get more territory, meaning Russia, which is an extremely provocative and escalatory statement to Russia.

[Dan]

That's your guy, asshole. Like, if Trump didn't want to recognize Zelensky as the leader of Ukraine, he could just do that tomorrow. It's pretty clear that he can just do whatever he wants, and then the government has to play catch up to decide if the things that he did were legal. And then that's mostly just paperwork for posterity. I guess the question I would ask Tucker is, if Zelensky isn't the president of Ukraine, who is? Is there another person there who claims to be the leader or is the head of the opposition party who wants to be recognized, or do people actually support Zelensky? There are a ton of political parties in Ukraine, and Zelensky has gotten some heat for banning 19 of them. It's debatable whether or not this is appropriate, and under ideal circumstances, you wouldn't want to do this. But these were parties that had ties to Putin and Russia who were in the middle of invading Ukraine. The other accusation about him being anti democratic is that the planned election in 2024 was canceled. Pretty much every leader in Ukraine, pro Zelensky or not, agrees that in a wartime condition like the one they're in, it would be impossible to hold a free and fair election.

[Jordan]

It would just be logistically impossible, yes.

[Dan]

A poll conducted by sociological centrist Socis in February 2025 found that 63% of Ukrainians did not want to hold an election until the war was over. You can say that not having an election is undemocratic, but there's also an argument that in this position, it's the most democratic thing you can do.

[Jordan]

I mean, the idea of trying to hold an election while another country is actively inside your country would suggest that they could probably do some serious damage to the accuracy of your vote count.

[Dan]

It would be impossible to poll certain places.

[Jordan]

Right. Which is like, well, then we're not having a free and fair election.

[Dan]

No. So in terms of being anti Christian, that's also not true. In 2024, Zelensky's government passed a bill that outlawed organizations that maintained ties with Moscow and Putin. This included religious organizations, most notably the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, members of the UOC have been charged with storing weapons for Russian troops and churches and revealing Ukrainian troop movements in sermons. Certainly the Ukrainian Orthodox Church is a large entity and not all of their members are covertly supporting an invading country. So tension between the UoC and Ukraine's government is probably larger than it needs to be. At the core of the issue is that the UOC has removed their connection to the Russian Orthodox Church from their charter. But the Russian Orthodox Church hasn't removed them from what they consider to be their constellation of churches. Ukraine considers them to be an offshoot of the Russian Orthodox Church unless that status is removed. And the UOC believes that they've done everything that they need to do on their part. So this isn't as simple as Tucker wants it to be. Like with pretending that Zelensky is anti Christian. But it also would be unfair to say that Zelenskyy's move here doesn't deserve some criticism. Sure, it's always a dicey move to have a state oppose a church from a just purely strategic standpoint. You're not gonna be able to get the church get rid of it.

[Jordan]

It's always tough.

[Dan]

The followers aren't just gonna go somewhere else because you told them to.

[Jordan]

When people challenged the Pope cause they thought they had all the power. They learned a lot of bad new things about how much power they had.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's not a good idea.

[Dan]

Even if you think everything with the move of like being like this church is out. Even if you think that's cool, you're creating a like increasingly hostile religious entity inside your borders.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And in some ways that could make the initial problem that you were trying to solve worse.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So it may be a no win situation that Zelensky finds himself in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But those actions are not an attempt to crush. Crush Christendom.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or whatever the fuck Tucker and Alex are going on about.

[Jordan]

No, it's. What's funny about it is that it's the inverse of what we were told on. Okay. So Russia is doing in Iraq right now, essentially. Right. And we're hearing about Iraq from places that aren't the United States. So we're not used to that. Right. But essentially, like, there's. There's no difference between that thought of like, oh, they're gonna meet us as. As meet us as liberators. Right. Okay. So if you feel like you've got an unelected government that's taking over and fighting a war with the warriors of the other team in your house, join them and get rid of Your government, you're. They're already there.

[Dan]

Right, right. That's. Yeah. And it's not a coincidence that Tucker was in favor of the Iraq war.

[Jordan]

Exactly. Because they're going to greet us as liberators and now is like, wow, these people are toiling under an unelected government.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Seems like he's good at this.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So like I said, though, too, like, the fundamental problem that he's seeming to have this question is why? Why do we continue to recognize Zelensky? And it's like, your guy can do anything.

[Jordan]

I mean, we're past the point where you can say, like, I don't know what the government, like, you know, back in the day, you could be like, oh, Congress is telling the President not to do it.

[Dan]

All this red tape.

[Jordan]

Or the Supreme Court, we have to wait until the Supreme Court rules next year or we have to do this. And now it's like, nope, your guy just said it, and then people did it. So it's on you.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then everyone is chasing behind, trying to pick up pieces and shit. Yep. And I think it would be a lot more compelling for Tucker to have this kind of position that could be a little bit out of step with the Trump administration if he didn't share the stage with half of the administration at Charlie Kirk's funeral, memorial service thing, if he didn't call Trump daddy on the campaign trail. Like all this bullshit.

[Jordan]

It's about making change from the inside, Dan.

[Dan]

Right. So Alex asks Tucker an inconvenient question, and almost like clockwork, something happens.

[Alex]

And we know that Putin agreed actually to the framework of what Trump wanted, but Zelensky and NATO have refused. And so we have to ask the calculus of why The President, who's, you know, Mr. Peace Prize, has done a great job helping in seven other conflicts, which I totally support. Why is he suddenly changing course? Tucker, you know a lot better than I do.

[Nick]

So did you know that before the current generation, chips and fries were cooked in natural fats like beef tallow? That's how things used to be done.

[Dan]

Okay. In professional media circles, this is what's known as a strategic commercial break. Tucker is not on TV or radio, so he doesn't have to cut to hard breaks. It's entirely at his own discretion. He chose to go to a commercial there because Alex just asked a direct question that implicates Tucker's inside knowledge of how the administration is justifying supporting Ukraine. And Tucker doesn't want to answer that question. He doesn't want the. He doesn't Want the connective tissue of whatever he says next. And that question.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

This is a basic misdirect. It's an inconvenient and uncomfortable question. So throw an ad in there and when you come back you can pick up wherever you want. You can just jump to an entirely different part of the conversation or you can play Tucker's answer knowing that the audience will have largely forgotten what Alex asked because they were just sold beef tallow. So we come back from commercial and here's what Tucker's answer to that question appears to be for.

[Nick]

To shop in person in October, Moss is going to be available at your local sprouts supermarket. So stop by and pick up a bag before we eat them all. And we eat a lot. Why the attraction to Zelensky? Why does our foreign policy class or donor class have this fixation on Zelensky? He's a hero, by the way. I've tried to interview him like 20 times. He refused to do an interview with me. But he, he's, you know, everywhere in the United States, basically American at this point. Why the, what's the appeal there?

[Alex]

I think it's the money laundering appeal.

[Dan]

If that is the answer that he gave to Alex's question, it would feel jarring, that question being asked and then him just asking a question back. So I would strongly suspect something was cut out there.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was. It felt a little bit like we were in a car following another car and then that car crossed over some train tracks and then the train crossed over and it's like we're just stuck there waiting to see what happens. I don't know where we're going to find this car again, but we're, we're not going to find it where it's supposed to be.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that if Tucker didn't have a long and documented history of editing things that are inconvenient for the message that he wants to put out. I'd be less suspicious of that. Very suspicious commercial.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So you know the guy, why is he doing this stuff? Cut to commercial.

[Dan]

So they start talking about 911 because Tucker's doing a five part series on 9 11, never forget. And Alex talks about how the neocons, they did it. Oh, Tucker was a neocon.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he was super. A neocon.

[Alex]

Yeah. If you really study 9 11. And at the end of the day, it was an alliance of Israeli neocons at us neocons that bare minimum use an attack to build a larger attack around it for the Project for American Century to take US into the Pax Americana war in the Middle east. And. And that's where we, you know, $10 trillion later, whatever it is, it's 11 trillion or more are in this.

[Nick]

That's not a theory. I was there. I. I mean, I shared office space for the Project for New American Century. I worked at the Weekly Standards.

[Jordan]

You sure did.

[Nick]

Yes. That is just a fact that happened.

[Dan]

This is a huge problem. If Tucker was sharing office space with the Project for a New American Century and he can vouch that they were plotting 911 as a false flag in order to justify a wider war because he was there and he knew these guys, then Tucker's actions supporting the Iraq war aren't really an error in judgment anymore. If what Tucker is saying is true here, then he was a witting and fully aware conspirator acting in the media to convince the public that 911 was a real attack and that it justified going to war in Afghanistan and Iraq. In order for Tucker to present himself as an authority in this space, he unfortunately will need to confess to some much bigger sins than he's willing to take on at this point. If you're sitting across the table from someone who's saying stuff like this, and you've already said that Tucker has been in the CIA for his entire life, you should probably be concerned about what he's trying to sell you. I know that it feels cool, Alex, to be like, oh, Tucker wants to pay attention to me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But by Alex's own telling of the story, he's a lifelong CIA agent. Second generation. Yep. Someone who is now saying that he was around and hanging out with the guys who did 9 11.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. If that were even remotely true or even kind of like if you put yourself into the headspace of somebody who in reality was there While they planned, 911 did nothing about it, then actively helped create a narrative around 911 that caused the further deaths of millions upon millions of people. I would kill myself.

[Dan]

It makes you think that Tucker is lying here or he's in some real deep shit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He's. He's so much more involved with things than, like, Alex should be running away from him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If. If this is even. Yeah, if even this. If this is even like, an iota of truth in this. This man is worse than any serial killer you've ever watched a TV show about. Yeah, this man has killed millions of people.

[Dan]

He's cool now.

[Jordan]

I don't think so.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's cool.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

So look, if you. If you call people neoconservative sure. You say they're neocons. Yeah, Everybody tries to say that. That's anti Semitic of you.

[Jordan]

Is it?

[Dan]

Not really, but kind of.

[Alex]

Okay, but you know, they call it neocons. Are you somebody? Neocons? That's anti Semitic? Well, yeah, about half the neocons were Jewish, but the fact is they're crazy warmongers that believe the end justifies the mean. And when you get further back, Trotsky got kicked out by Stalin and he ran to Mexico and Stalin had him hunted down and killed by an assassin with an ice ax. And then all of his top people came to the US became the neocons and said, we're going to take over the Republican Party and we're going to go to war with Russia to get back control of what's ours. Because Trotsky was supposed to replace Lenin when he died, but instead he got kicked out. And so it is a fact, historical fact. Even the Wall Street Journal 20 years ago wrote about it, that when you look at the Weekly Standard and you look at the neocons, they are literal Trotskyite communist.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Alex]

Russian derivation. That set up a neoconism. And then you had Cheney and Rumsfeld and others that weren't Jewish but were large parts of the neocon system. And so that's why Netanyahu plugged into that so nicely, because he came out of the neocons in the 1970s and 80s.

[Nick]

No, that's. That's all just a fact. That's not. I mean, there's nothing hidden or creepy about it.

[Dan]

It's a little creepy. So it's not always anti Semitic to call someone a neocon, but it is used as a code. In some circles. It's the same thing as globalist. Some people use these words sincerely and some people have found that they're very useful ways to hide what they're actually saying. And so getting into an argument about whether or not calling someone an EOCON is bigoted or anti Semitic, it's counterproductive. Neoconservatives weren't just the students of Trotsky who decided to come to the United States and take over so they could reclaim Russia, that's fucking stupid. In reality, they were mostly disaffected liberal types in the 60s who hated the anti war protests and the counterculture that was being embraced by the left. They were the Dave Rubins of their time. The, like, why I left the left crowd. Yeah, they're more Joe Rogan than Leon Trotsky.

[Jordan]

I liked fucking. But now there's gay people, right?

[Dan]

Yeah, this but no further kind of left bullshit. During the Reagan administration, there was a split between the neoconservatives and the paleo conservatives. As the neocons began to rise in power and the old guard lost some of it figures like Pat Buchanan and all of Alex's ideological heroes were on the losing side of this exchange. So a lot of their ideology took shape around the idea that there was a conspiracy to usurp them and that the neocons were secret leftists. A lot of Alex's ideological heroes were also super anti Semitic. So a lot of this gets jumbled up in a way that's really difficult to unpack, I guess. Tucker was a secret Trotskyite CIA agent who was promoting war on TV wearing a silly bow tie for most of his career though, based on what he's saying.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That's cool.

[Jordan]

What. What is the worst thing like that can be implied about you specifically? That you'll just go, that's facts to right? Like what could you. Like, hey, you know what it's like to murder millions of people? That's facts. Like, how do you respond to that shit like that you're just a psycho.

[Dan]

It was a gig.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

What are you going to do?

[Jordan]

That's facts, huh? Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So evil.

[Jordan]

What about it?

[Dan]

They want to destroy Christian society.

[Jordan]

Hand in hand.

[Dan]

Well, maybe. But have you considered where your beef comes from?

[Jordan]

I have not considered that.

[Alex]

This is what you do if you want to destroy America. And I agree with Tucker, at the end of the day, it's because the evil forces above this want to destroy the West.

[Nick]

Sure. Here's something you may not have known. Back in 2015, the Congress of the United States repealed something called the country of Origin Labeling Act. Now, why is this relevant to you? Well, it means, among other things, that when you buy beef at the supermarket that says Made in the usa, it may not actually be. In fact, it could be likely is from a foreign country. It means that repackaging foreign meat can be enough to get the Made in USA designation. It's a lie. It's an absolute lie. Most people don't even know what's happening. So how can you be sure that the meat you're eating is from the United States and has been raised with the highest quality standards and is the tastiest. It's truly made here. Well, it's simple. You can go to our friends at Meriwether Farms. Merriweather Farms is an American small business. It's based in Riverton, Wyoming. We know the people who run it and they're great people and they have great.

[Jordan]

That makes me trust them so little.

[Nick]

Highest quality meat raised free from growth.

[Dan]

Hormones makes me think it's not beef.

[Nick]

Directly to your doorstep. It's delicious. We eat it a lot, including at this table. These are Americans. These are American made products. They are the real deal. Again, we eat that meat at this table from Riverton, Wyoming. They're the best. Meriwetherfarms.com use the discount code tucker10 and you get an extra 10% off. Again, that's Merriweather Farms. M E R I W E T h e r farms.com it's worth it. Christian civilization. Of course the first second world wars were that. That was it. That's not pro Hitler. I'm anti Hitler. Just for the record. Very anti Hitler. But the effect was the most beautiful civilization ever created by far in history, all history. And this is the final blow. It seems very, very obvious, very obvious to me. And we should be aware of that as we proceed. When gold crosses 4,000. I don't understand why that's not like front page news. Because to me that maybe you're better at this than I. But that means that the cumulative effect of everything we're discussing has been to destroy the US dollar.

[Dan]

It's a little jarring to listen to this show and them talk about like how evil wants to destroy Christianity. Then cut to a beef commercial and then cut to Tucker mid sentence talking, you know, evil, the World War I and 2. He doesn't like Hitler, but they very anti Hitler. Yeah, but evil forces wanted to destroy Christian society. Yeah, it's just bizarre.

[Jordan]

What are the stakes?

[Dan]

Do you mean steaks, like beef?

[Jordan]

I sure do.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

But also I mean steaks. There's multiple. I was using multiple entente of the meaning of the word. But what. That's kind of my question here. Right. So evil, it's gonna kill us.

[Dan]

All.

[Jordan]

Right. But also I should worry about the dollar. I feel like those two things can't exist simultaneously.

[Dan]

Yep, definitely.

[Jordan]

Okay, good. Moving on. Like some stick.

[Dan]

Definitely real.

[Jordan]

Wait, that the. The number of times you told me it was real, it was from the United States and that it wasn't made of some sort of fucking horrifying mutation thing. Makes me convinced that it is one of those three.

[Dan]

Yeah. This would be like someone you're at a restaurant and someone's like, this is real beef.

[Jordan]

You didn't need to tell me it was real. Why did you tell me it was real?

[Dan]

Watch you the whole time you're eating it. Like, very suspicious of you that you've.

[Jordan]

You'Ve made me feel like you're lying to me.

[Dan]

Yeah, but I just, I think that there's something to this, like the triviality of this, like, buy my beef. And then also like, like World War I and 2 were meant to destroy God.

[Jordan]

I also like the idea that the way you're selling it is like you don't want any of this foreign beef and not like, buddy, you probably shouldn't have meat. Traveling around the world, I think that's probably a bad idea. Even if it's from like your town, but then it travels around the world one time before it gets to you, that's still probably not good.

[Dan]

Meanwhile, these motherfuckers are so mad at farm to table local agriculture sustainability, you're.

[Jordan]

Gonna make some dandelion fluff for climate.

[Dan]

Change is a host.

[Jordan]

I want Chinese beef now.

[Dan]

So it's time to get hardcore.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the explanation for how to get hardcore is, is interesting.

[Alex]

And the un, the globalists say we're bringing back feudalism. Neo feudalistic capitalism is what they call it, but really it's just slavery. And that's what we're opposing. And that's what the relaunch of the west is about. That's what Elon Musk understands. That's why this is a do or die existential threat to everybody. People should just get on board and get hardcore. Or be absolute feudal slaves if you're lucky.

[Nick]

How do you get on board?

[Alex]

You understand and you research the great Reset. And you reset, researched Larry Fink, now the head of the World Economic Forum. You realize three years ago the UN made the World Economic Forum co equal to its governing body and its councils. And you understand if you actually read their writings, the future isn't human. People are bad. Families are bad. We're gonna have these AI gods that take over. I mean, it is just the wildest thing that Lex Luthor in a, in a, in a comic book couldn't come up with. This is beyond super villain stuff. This is real super demon stuff. And you have to identify the attack you're under and that it's deliberate. Then you have to mobilize and get good legislatures and governors and others elected.

[Dan]

So all that stuff Alex is saying isn't true. And he hasn't researched any of this shit. Most of it is catchphrases he's memorized from memes. And ultimately it seems like his definition of getting hardcore is just believe st shit and Vote for Republicans who are subservient to Trump.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That's hardcore, man.

[Jordan]

I find it wild to live in this world now where Alex is saying literally, get out and vote.

[Dan]

Yeah. The electoral system is the way to go fucking crazy. Yeah, Great.

[Jordan]

We're doing great.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

I didn't like it whenever people who are reasonable and who might have been telling the truth said shit like that. I definitely don't like it when Alex is saying shit like that.

[Dan]

Yeah. But you, you need to also believe crazy, stupid shit along the way. Right.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, that would also get you to thinking that just vote is gonna do it.

[Dan]

Yeah. And God. So I think that there's something really interesting about Alex's position, even as he's not interesting and he becomes like this sort of organ that it has outlived its usefulness.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's like a Koato.

[Dan]

There's still something very interesting about the fact that he's able to take things that I would, in some other circumstances totally agree with and make me like, I don't want your help with this. Just stop. So he starts talking about BlackRock.

[Alex]

Great populists are getting elected all over the world. People are really waking up to this. And we have now these attorney Generals winning court cases. Or Texas and other places where blackrock tried to come in and say, we're not gonna have any investment in your state if you don't get rid of fossil fuels. And we. And then Texas sued Kim Paxton said, this is racketeering. This is illegal. They won the court cases. It is because Larry Fink says, it's about control. We're going to control you.

[Dan]

So Alex's version of this story is entirely made up and it illustrates how little he understands these issues that he's supposed to be championing.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Texas, through Ken Paxton, did sue blackrock along with State street and Vanguard over accusations that they engaged in monopolistic pract. However, Alex is saying that the case involved blackrock saying that they wouldn't invest in anything in Texas if they didn't get rid of fossil fuels, which is inaccurate. The claim is that these three investment firms acquired a large amount of shares in nine large coal producing companies with ownership stakes ranging from about 8% to 34%. It's alleged that all three of these investment firms have agreed that they're not going to invest in coal companies that have plans to expand production. So the idea is that these firms have gathered influence in these coal companies and are restricting the production of coal, which is anti competitive and subject to antitrust laws.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

Recently, blackrock, State street and Vanguard asked the court to dismiss the case on the grounds that there isn't a serious accusation being made, Essentially arguing that even if everything the case claimed was true, there still isn't any crime or wrongdoing. That motion to dismiss was denied, so the case can still be heard later on in court.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

The court didn't rule on the merits of this case, but Alex is lying and pretending that they did. He's also lying about what these firms did, claiming that they said that they wouldn't invest in anything in the state if they didn't get rid of fossil fuels. This is such a great illustration of Alex's worthlessness. It may very well be the case that these investment firms are engaged in some monopolistic practices that should be stopped. But he can't help but lie about the situation in order to make his job easier and make his argument more exciting. And that's not an ally you need.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you. If you're actually opposed to the monopolistic practices, the idea of that. That BlackRock could be engaged in this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex is gonna ruin your ability to push back against it. Cause he's gonna make you look like an idiot.

[Jordan]

Yeah. This is one of the things that happens, and it's one of the things that happens every time with unions especially. But it goes like this.

[Nick]

Right?

[Jordan]

You and I both know that the system is unjust. We need to get rid of it. We need to change the system.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

So we go after the system. We get into a conflict with the system, and the system's like, whoa, you guys are winning. And it talks to your buddy and your buddy is suddenly on the board of BlackRock. And now you've lost. You don't want your buddy. Your buddy is the reason that you're going to lose. Right. He says that you're the one. You're going to go fight the system and shit. And then the moment it's time, you're fucked.

[Dan]

Yeah. The person who's not serious is going to end up supporting Trump and his quashing of free speech.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

So I don't want Alex's help on this.

[Alex]

Nope.

[Dan]

He can't grasp the issues that are at stake and doesn't care.

[Jordan]

Yep. And putting him on my side just means I'm losing by having him on my side.

[Dan]

He's a vulnerability, not an ally.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

So here's some words out for you about freedom.

[Nick]

You can't have different systems, radically different systems in a globalized world, can you?

[Alex]

No. And so. Exactly. So there's a fight between do you want the 1984 civilization or do you want the 1776 civilization? 1776 isn't going back. It's back to the future. It was the flower of the Renaissance and the greatest expression of hundreds and hundreds of years of the Great Awakening and of the Enlightenment. And so it's a continuation of that. We have to get back to the future, back to the avant garde, back to what produces the most freedom, the most wealth. Classical liberalism of Thomas Jefferson. Now, modern liberalism is totalitarian, anti family, anti speech, anti self defense, anti private property. Modern liberalism is a totalitarian death cult, transhumanist poison to sabotage human civilization. It's a depopulation program. 1776 is the ultimate, most successful push of humans to produce the very best atmosphere of liberty and freedom and competition and empowerment. The problem is in the cycle, as you know, hard times make strong men. Strong men make good times. Good times make weak men, weak men make bad times. The problem is, is that are we good enough? It was Benjamin Franklin, right? If they finally, you know, years later, after the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, you know, finally got the Bill of Rights done and he was walking out, the newspaper reporter said, Mr. Franklin, you know, do we now finally have our nation? And he said, yes, you have your republic, if you can keep it.

[Dan]

Alex made up some of the details of that story, but all of that meant nothing. No, this is just word salad that Alex can basically pull out from muscle memory, but he has no connection to what any of this shit means. He hates the left. It's so anti free speech. Yet he's quiet on Trump's very clear attack on speech whenever he said, we're.

[Jordan]

Getting rid of your freedom of speech.

[Dan]

Yeah, we just decided this isn't a bad.

[Jordan]

Whenever he literally said the words, we're getting rid of your freedom of speech.

[Dan]

The courts won't let me. I'm just gonna do it.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

Also, these dudes seem to want a world government, but just one that has a big 1776 sign on it. Yeah, like maybe a world government under Trump, Trump Empire or something like that. Maybe that would work. Great. Bunch of dicks.

[Jordan]

Well, at least it would be. Actually, it wouldn't. That's the problem. That's the fucking problem with the world government under these assholes. It wouldn't be easier to travel anywhere they. It's not easier to travel in the inside of the United States because of these fucking people.

[Dan]

Yeah, they'd make everything way, way, way.

[Jordan]

Right. Like at the very Least you'd think if there was one world government. Sure, maybe they're oppressive and shit like that, but you can get from one place to another because there's nobody in the way.

[Dan]

Wrong. Not these guys.

[Jordan]

Not these guys. No, there's always somebody in the way.

[Dan]

That's a different world government that cares about infrastructure spending.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Shit like that.

[Jordan]

What an amazing thought.

[Dan]

So there are moments in life where someone sounds really fucking stupid to the point where if you're talking to them, you should feel embarrassed that you're not stopping them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that this is one of those moments where Alex starts explaining the pedestal plan.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

To Tucker, and he has to do the open mouth, like, oh, my God, that's facts. Oh, my.

[Alex]

What? And the next place I wanted to go was the Podesta plan.

[Nick]

What is the Podesta plan?

[Alex]

Well, when I talk about chills, because In August of 2020, Breitbart wrote about it, the Daily Caller wrote about it, but the New York Times wrote about it first. And Podesta does this big Democrat Party war game.

[Nick]

Which podesta? John. John Podesta, former White House CHIEF of Staff. Yep.

[Alex]

Absolutely. And then. And then later, the climates are for. For Biden or giving up the climate money. Stealing it. He. He comes out of this huge report. They published the whole thing. And I'm. I'm read like this, like 70 pages or something. And they say if Trump wins in 2020, this is in August, months before which they were able to steal it. So he didn't. He said, we're going to have western states secede. We're gonna have blue cities to seed, but we'll start with the Western states, California, Oregon and Washington, because they're furthest away, call it over. Migrants and sanctuary cities and healthcare at first, which they're now doing. I'm getting chills because it's all happening. Like you go to a play and you're reading, oh, the next act is this. And gets chills, not how you read. And they say, if he wins, we will say it's illegitimate. We will have blue states first secede, that they're going to be sanctuary cities for the illegals. Then when there's civil unrest, which they'll furnish, Trump will send the National Guard, and then there'll be a massacre of the migrants, and then we will kick off a civil war. Then all the blue cities across the country will secede. Then New York, Massachusetts and others will secede, and we'll form what we call the Western alliance. And we will. Then the US Military will be with us because they control the generals, people that don't think otherwise. That was Trump's big mistake. He found out most of them are global. It's the top, not your enlisted. They're great people. And that they would then form a military alliance if Trump didn't stand down and they would march on D.C. and then they made a movie produced two years ago they released last year called Civil War. That is the last act of the Podesta plan. That's in a two plus year civil war race based. At the end they go and you know, the black female sergeant kills the Trumpian figure in the White House.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And that's because evil white people are out massacring brown people across the country. So the US Military reconvenes under Gavin Newsom's command type and then they come in and then they take over the country and then they re educate all the evil right wingers and evil white people.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

If you're Tucker and you're on Alex's side, you still have to think that he sounds like a complete idiot. Yeah, that sounds so dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

None of the stuff that he's saying about the Transition Integrity Project report is accurate. And none of the stuff he's saying about the Civil War movie is accurate either. Like, if you've seen that movie, you'd be like, now you're wrong. Tucker has met Tony or John Podesta, I'm sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like he has to be sitting there like, what the fuck are you talking about? I mean, it's amazing because Alex is trying to be calm and sound like someone you should take seriously. He's not employing all of his standard flourishes and theatrics, which makes him just sound like a delusional person who should be talking to a social worker.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is all just half remembered details from news stories he didn't read and a movie he didn't watch. To Alex's combined into a race war fantasy. He says in that clip that the Podesta report includes states forming a group called the Western Alliance. But in the report, the group that comes together in one of the scenarios is called Cascadia. Alex pretends the name is the Western alliance and that's used in the report because in the movie they call it the Western forces. And he absolutely knows that Tucker isn't going to push back on this. No. Another point is that the Civil War movie goes out of its way not to explain why the United States is in a civil war because it's A story being told through the viewpoint of conflict journalists, whose job requires them to maintain a distance from the horrors that they're witnessing.

[Nick]

Sure.

[Dan]

The movie is trying to force the viewer to see things through their eyes. And if you knew why the war was happening, it would be very easy to take a side. And that moralizing would take away from the fundamental point Alex Garland was making with the movie, which has to do with PTSD and how hard journalism is. It wouldn't work.

[Jordan]

No. It wouldn't make any sense.

[Dan]

Alex didn't see it, so it doesn't really matter.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that. That does help.

[Dan]

Alex is unable to deal with complicated ideas and art, so he just crafts his own fantasy to live in, where movies and TV shows, they're secretly trying to whisper codes to him. He's insane. And Tucker is just sitting there while he spouts this shit. It's embarrassing. The. It. There's a reason that it used to be harder to get on tv.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because when there's no standards, you send up with stuff like this and people sound very dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I like the idea of seceding. Right. Because I like the way that these guys think of it. They think of it like, we're out, friends, bye. And that's, like, the end of it. But if. If. If there was even a possibility of California seceding in, like, a peaceful way, it would be Brexit times 1000.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

There's so many resources, there's so much money. There's so much tied up. There's so many foreign investments in there. The idea of trying to just negotiate your way out of it. It would make more sense for the United States government to just murder everybody in California and then resettle it than it would to try and negotiate out of it.

[Dan]

Right. You know, just. Even on, like, a really, really basic level. Yeah. The power grids are connected. I mean, California and neighboring states.

[Jordan]

It would be insane.

[Dan]

Right, Right. It's. But maybe a city would just be like, no.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No. And that'd be fun.

[Dan]

They just hit a button and then a dome comes down on them, and they're like, we're our own thing now.

[Jordan]

It's so much easier to secede in the 1860s because nobody. It's like everything was done by paper. Sure. It could have been three months before you had to pay that bill because it took that long to get there. Now you got to close it by the end of the day.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

And they didn't have power grids that were connected.

[Jordan]

They didn't have power at all.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's It. It's stupid.

[Jordan]

It's very stupid.

[Dan]

And. And I think that Tucker, I don't know, obviously, I don't think that he wants Alex to look stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But, like, by allowing him to talk for long stretches, he just kind of reveals that Alex is an idiot. It would be.

[Jordan]

I would be very. If I started going about that far off the rails, just being like, all right, let me let you in on my podesta plan.

[Dan]

I've made up all this stuff, and this movie is the last act of it. It's telling me secretly that a black woman is going to kill Trump.

[Jordan]

Right. At a certain point, I would hope that the person across the movie would be like, no, no, no, you're on, you're on.

[Dan]

We're live, we're available or edit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. Just cut that out.

[Dan]

Yeah, I'm going to.

[Jordan]

Hey, sidebar. Cut out all of that.

[Dan]

This is embarrassing for me to be associated with you. Oh, well, man. So Alex talks a little bit about the shooter in. In. In Min. Min. Minnesota, sure. Whose name he does not remember, I'm sure. And how he was a dirty leftist who worked for Tampon Tim.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Alex]

You have the Soros NGO funded no Kings events like they had on the 14th of June, when the guy that worked for Tampon Tim went around reportedly, you know, killing senators and state reps there at the state level. He later told the FBI and wrote a letter saying, no, I did this for the Democrats as a false flag. So. So that Tim Walls could, you know, play victim. He supposedly had a bunch of accomplices, but they didn't help him. They caught his wife with a bunch of people with passports, guns and money, you know, fleeing the area. But within two hours of the attack, they had his roommate on TV saying, oh, I. He loved Trump. And Alex Jones isn't that interesting. It's all very scripted. But my point is, now you have the no Kings this weekend, and we now have Schumer on Monday went on MSNBC and said, we need to have a forceful uprising. We need to have a forceful uprising. What's the exact quote? My producer's over there, so this is chilling.

[Dan]

My producers over there will tell me what they saw on Twitter. So I think in a fair and just world, Alex should be sued by Vance Bolter's wife and the roommate just for that last minute. Like, he can't say shit like this. He can't say that the dude's comments were scripted. That implies involvement with the murder of a public official. He can't Say that his wife was fleeing with guns and a bunch of people when it was her kids and she legally was able to have guns. Like, he can't do this shit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He's accusing people of being involved in political assassination, murders.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And it just doesn't matter.

[Jordan]

I am. I. Here's what I. Here's what I'll say about our legal system, Right. Let's just add a little amendment at the end, Right. And we'll call it. We'll call it the Sonic the Hedgehog law. Right. Once you've exhausted all the rings, all bets are off. You know what I'm saying? Like. Like, if you got. We've gone through all these Sonic rings, all of these things have bounced out of him, and now we've got zero rings left. One more hit and this man's gone. Right. So we're there. We've got all the rings out. Alex is done. Like, the entire country just goes.

[Dan]

No, all of the rings, like, blinked.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's all gone. You can't collect any more rings. You've lost all your rings. The last hit is the one that kills you. Boom, you're done.

[Dan]

Let me propose another Sonic rule. All right?

[Nick]

Right.

[Dan]

Chili dogs.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Remember when Alex ate all that chili and couldn't remember his kid's teacher's name?

[Jordan]

I do.

[Dan]

That's cool, because Sonic likes chili dogs.

[Jordan]

I did not know that.

[Dan]

It's in the Constitution now.

[Jordan]

I did not know that there was lore regarding chili dogs. Sonic. What does he do with the chili dogs?

[Dan]

He eats them.

[Jordan]

Where did he get chili dogs?

[Dan]

Well, it's not in the video games. I don't think it's in the, like, cartoons. But it's a part of his lore. Chili dogs are an important.

[Jordan]

All right, all right. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I didn't know that there was a cartoon. Yeah, I should have assumed.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. That's on me.

[Dan]

So Tucker, you know, he's. You know, Alex has told him all about this scary guy who was working for Tim Walls.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And, like, all this violence, Schumer wants a forceful uprising. And so, you know, Tucker has no choice but to say that Trump should probably just, like, have the military do shit for him.

[Jordan]

That's okay.

[Nick]

If you really believe that. That widespread civil unrest preparatory to civil war is coming, if Chuck Schumer, you know, one of the senior senators, is calling for it, then you really need to make sure the military is under control, that it's not politicized, that it's not, you Know that it reports to.

[Jordan]

The president as that is politicizing the military.

[Dan]

No beard.

[Nick]

Military is the key. Correct.

[Alex]

Yes. And I loved Hegset speed. And that's the right direction, but we need more of that. And a lot of the generals were rolling their eyes, giggling, putting their heads in their hands, and I guarantee you just go, okay, who's that guy? Look at his record. He's going to be a commie, a leftist.

[Nick]

But wouldn't you. I mean, it would be almost an emergency situation. You would need to make certain that the general officers in your military were loyal to the Constitution.

[Alex]

Exactly. And. And the left and the corporate media act like, if Trump wants prosecutions, he's not supposed to do that. No, he's a chief law enforcement officer. We elected him for that. That we elect one man in the general election. You know, all of us vote, have the ability to vote for only one position. And so it's not Trump's. Right. It's his duty.

[Dan]

No, Trump's supposed to appoint attorney general who is not just doing his bidding.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They're supposed to be separate.

[Jordan]

That is one of the biggest things, is that we can't let one guy do it. Thing.

[Dan]

That was huge, man. I think. Yeah. If the president can just direct prosecutions, then, like, I don't. Like, I don't know what Alex could ever be mad about, like, a government doing.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yeah.

[Dan]

His standards are so low.

[Jordan]

Hey, listen, once. Once we all have accepted, which I feel like we have, maybe I'm wrong, maybe people have not gotten there yet, but we essentially live by decree and whoopsie law. I decree that we do this sometimes. Whoopsie. We don't do that now.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

All these people are fired. Oh, no. They were the people.

[Jordan]

Whoopsie, you're back.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, we needed you. Once we realized that decree and whoopsie can exist simultaneously, we should have been like, no, no, no, no.

[Dan]

Yeah, this is. Get rid of this goofy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Get out of here. Come on, come on, come on.

[Dan]

So Alex is so scared because of all the antifa and all this stuff, the totally real antifa that he's not even staying in his house. Except he is.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But he lies about it. And then Tucker is like, you're not staying in your house. And Alex gives up on his lie.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex]

And these other groups have targeted lists that have come out of whose houses are going to governors, talk show host, everybody. Tucker is on the list. I'm on the list. We've caught Them outside my house, folks. Okay. I'm just gonna leave it at that. I haven't stayed at my house in much. It's. It's gotten that bad.

[Nick]

I stay there. You stayed at your house?

[Alex]

I don't stay at my house anymore. My, my. I stay there. As soon as my children don't. Because, I mean, they're there, it's targeted.

[Jordan]

Wait.

[Alex]

As soon as they kick this off, there are people that are first on the list that they're planning to come get. Because I'm not trying to. You know this. Tucker, you're smart. When they really launch this, and it's not going to be them knocking your door down in dc, it's going to be a, you know, group of meth heads rolling up with my love cocktails. And, and, and they've got these undercover videos in Austin and Portland and everywhere, hours of them. And it shows inside these warehouses where they give them drugs and money and food and the NGOs.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And they're just all in there, ramped up and ready with guns and weapons.

[Jordan]

Big warehouse.

[Alex]

Just as soon as they give them the green light, they are going to just pile in their vans and come to kill. Think of helter skelter times 10,000. Think of the Manson family times 10,000. They've got Manson Family groups in every major city and most small towns, literally. That would make the cast of Chainsaw Massacre look like choir boys ready to go.

[Nick]

Right, yeah, of course. I mean, these, these are the shock troops of whatever the, the nihilist, the atheists. Of course.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Nick]

That's always the way it works.

[Dan]

Yeah, of course. Of course. There are so many fucking armies just hidden in the streets. I mean, there's gangs, Antifa and Trend and Iranian sleeper cell.

[Jordan]

Don't forget Ms. 13 is always around the corner.

[Dan]

They got replaced by Trend.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit. God damn it.

[Dan]

Yeah, Trump got. It was more exciting to talk about them than it was to talk about MS.13.

[Jordan]

So I think one of our. One of my big problems with Antifa as laid out by Alex. Poor operational organization. You shouldn't be keeping all of these things in the same warehouse.

[Dan]

And it's so fun. Speak of operations, just real quick, I agree with you. You should have different.

[Jordan]

Different. I mean, at the very least, you have your junkies and your guns in a different place. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And they have contracts where, like, people sign them. Yeah, that seems unnecessary.

[Jordan]

I mean, you've.

[Dan]

That's bad operational security.

[Jordan]

At what point when you sign a contract and at the end, at the other side of that Contract is somebody giving you a lot of drugs and then convincing you to start a war or something.

[Dan]

Sign here.

[Jordan]

At what point is it more incriminating for the person who made the contract than for your signature? You know?

[Dan]

Right. No, but why. That's what I'm saying is why are they signing?

[Jordan]

Right. Exactly. What are we doing here?

[Dan]

This is dumb.

[Jordan]

You don't need my signature.

[Dan]

You're drugging me and I don't need yours.

[Jordan]

I don't need yours. I love drugs.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, yeah, I think. I think this is stupid. Manson Family times 10,000.

[Nick]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

TRUMP better be able to use the military however he wants.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Great. Back to Alex. You know, he's saying he doesn't stay in his own house. I think that it's really funny that almost no pushback made him give up on that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it wasn't even pushback. Tucker was trying to be like, oh, my God, tell me more. Give me. You don't stay in your house.

[Jordan]

Escalate. Tell me why. Yeah, one of my windows got broken into. Exactly.

[Dan]

And Alex immediately was like, I can't sell this. Well, because he shoots video of himself cutting, like, a Hitler mustache, you know, like, shaving his face into his house.

[Jordan]

Fucking personal trainer.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So like, your personal trainer staying in your house. He can't be that scared.

[Dan]

Yeah, he clearly is. Just like, oh, fuck. I can't pull this lie off.

[Jordan]

It's. That one's. That one's kind of silly anyway.

[Dan]

That's like Tucker doing a fucking behind the back. No, look, pass. And Alex catching the ball and throwing it out of bounds.

[Jordan]

Can't do it. Don't like it. This ball sucks. Give me a new ball.

[Dan]

Yeah. So there's an Attorney General race in Virginia, and Alex thinks this guy is just, like, all about killing all the white people. Sure.

[Alex]

And then. And then, you know, take this Attorney General candidate that's been in the lead, Jones in Virginia. He said the same thing. They keep saying the same thing people said about Charlie Kirk's wife. Kill her and her kids and her parents because they're all racist. Because they. They.

[Nick]

So he's in the. Kill the whites. Is. He said.

[Alex]

Well, he said. He said, kill these legislators. And he said by their names. And kill their kids.

[Nick]

All white legislators.

[Alex]

All white. He said, yeah, kill these white people and kill their kids.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And then to teach their wife a lesson.

[Jordan]

That'll teach them.

[Alex]

So he says, we're literally going to leave your white women.

[Nick]

This guy's running for Attorney General, and I think he's still getting, you know, 45% of Democrats supporting him, and they won't decry him.

[Alex]

And the reason I go back to that, folks, is we've been so taught it's totally a lie that only whites can be tribal. All humans are tribal.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Nick]

And because whitestone whites don't seem tribal at all.

[Alex]

I was about to say I'm sorry. Whites have had it bred out of us to not be tried.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Alex]

We're like, you know, they pull up at Galapagos island, there's this giant bird twice the size of a turkey.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex]

Never had a natural predator just whack on the head with an ore. And within a few years, there were no more dodo birds. Anybody's ever been around a sanctuary that has big fences around deer they've ever been hunted. They just walk right up to too. Oh, yeah, it's the same thing. So that's how white westerners are. Is literally like deer being dumped out in northern Canada with wolf packs.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Nick]

I'm not wild. I don't feel tribal really at all. I never have thought that way. I mean, in fact, I've sort of tried not to think that way because I think it's, I don't know, bad it did leads.

[Jordan]

I will tear your eyes in war.

[Nick]

But, yeah, no, they're the only ones who are that way. Everyone else is totally tribal. Openly tribal. They're encouraged to be tribal.

[Dan]

So this is cute.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

But this is gonna have the desired effect that Tucker wants. The racists in his audience will laugh about how over the top his incredulous tone is about how he can't imagine any white people being tribal.

[Jordan]

Tribal white people. Yeah.

[Dan]

There's a wink that the racists will see, and then the older people who don't want to accept that they're watching Nazi propaganda will be reassured by the very sincere way Tucker's voice sounds when he gets so quiet and serious to talking about white people not being tribal. The story Alex is talking about here involves Virginia Attorney General candidate Jay Jones, who texted someone three years ago that if he had a choice between shooting Hitler, Pol Pot, and former House speaker Todd Gilbert, quote, gilbert gets two bullets.

[Jordan]

Boom.

[Dan]

He also said that it would take Gilbert's wife holding their children after being shot to get him to act on gun legislation. Sure, that kind of sucks, But Alex and Tucker are definitely lying about this in order to turn it into a racial thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, the whites. He wants to kill all the white. White.

[Jordan]

Get over yourself.

[Dan]

And it's probably because they're deeply tribal about their whiteness.

[Jordan]

Seems like it.

[Dan]

And by that, I mean they're racist.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, man. In Deadpool, Right. You remember in Deadpool?

[Dan]

I've not seen.

[Jordan]

Okay. In the first Deadpool. This is before he becomes Deadpool. He's. He's got cancer. And they're like, we're gonna find out how your mutation works by putting you under extreme duress. And then your mutation will kind of come out. Right. And then it turns out that he can heal himself indefinitely or.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

After torture. After just the worst thing that's going to ever happen. And I've realized through this show that I am not a mutant at all.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because if I were, it would have come out through that man saying whites.

[Nick]

Aren'T tribal at all.

[Dan]

I tried to.

[Jordan]

I tried to grow Wolverine claws out of my. I was like, now. And they wouldn't come.

[Dan]

You did stand up.

[Jordan]

I was so mad. I was so mad. I tried to. To use powers.

[Dan]

Yeah. Sorry.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, it's going to get worse. I'm not an X Man, cuz. Well, we'll see if this one gets you to turn blue or.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah, let's see if I can become an X Man.

[Dan]

Yeah. So what do you think about meritocracy?

[Alex]

Oh, me, you know, was about Christianity and technical skills and what you brought at the table and a meritocracy.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And so we. And so Christians are like, hey, we can bring in other groups if it's a meritocracy, which you can do. Do Charlie Kirk. You know, the fake quotes are black women can't fly planes. They're dumb. Said nothing even close to that. No, he said, we don't have a big enough pool of black women trying to be pilots. If we had a big enough pool and enough training, they're. They're great, but you can't lower standards. That's not. Black women are dumb and can't fly planes.

[Dan]

So Alex is mixing up the racist things that Charlie Kirk has said over his career. The black women thing was about them not having the brain power to do jobs in government meant for white guys. The stuff about pilots was about black people in general, not just women.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

He said, quote, if I see a black pilot, I'm gonna be like, boy, I hope he's qualified. If Charlie sees a white pilot, he doesn't have that same thought, because to him, a white pilot is qualified by default. If you're white, you deserve to be in whatever position you're in. If you're not then you need to prove that you deserve to be there.

[Jordan]

Feels very tribal.

[Dan]

Even if your education, training, work experience, etc. Etc. Has already proved that.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

You not being white makes Charlie nervous and it's your job in a meritocracy to pacify his nervousness. See, it's not racist at all. It makes total sense also what Alex is saying about there needing to be larger pools of applicants for jobs. But like, he's saying that, but he's totally full of shit. Yeah, he and Tucker are huge enemies of dei, which is a term that means diversity, equity and inclusion. Hysteria around DEI was a big part of their sales pitch for Trump in 2024, and they promised that if he got in, he'd undo all that stuff. The thing is, a lot of DEI requirements are just about widening the recruitment pool for various jobs. It's not about setting hiring quotas. It's mostly about making sure that a wide variety of candidates are aware of job openings and have the opportunity to apply. If Alex were interested in any kind of merit based system as opposed to one based on conspiratorial racism, he would have a much more nuanced position on dei.

[Jordan]

I mean, just the very simple idea of, hey, if we only let people in a certain class in a certain area who have access to certain things know about this job, we're only going to get people from a certain area, from a certain class who have awareness of this stuff.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

It's very simple.

[Dan]

It's quite simple.

[Jordan]

It's not complicated.

[Dan]

And Alex's policy preferences belie, like this open minded interpretation of Charlie Kirk's beliefs. Yeah, fuck that shit.

[Jordan]

No, everything makes sense as long as everybody's white. But once I realized that non white people are also people, because no, there's no such thing as white or non white, then everything I believe goes to shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. And see the globalists.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

What they want to do primarily. Yeah, biggest thing they want to do.

[Jordan]

What do they want to do?

[Dan]

Kill white farmers, obviously.

[Alex]

In 1917, British intelligence, working with a lot of Russian immigrants to New York, put a hundred thousand men into Russia and sent Stalin's train of gold in. And they took them years to control the whole country, but they got control of the capital city and then they just sent out the commissars to the peasants, thought they were being liberated from the czars and feudalism and instead they said it was, you know, 20 times worse and they just raped and killed and murdered tens of millions of them. And so at the end of the day, whatever the deal is with the left. They want to kill Christian farmers and they want to kill Christian white farmers. But you saw, you saw the UN and that.

[Nick]

That is true. You know, a long time not wanting to admit to myself that that's true. But then you just look globally. What is this like what connects everything? It's a hostility to that group. I don't know where that hostility comes from. Pretty. It's a flawed group. All people are flawed. Every group is flawed.

[Alex]

Fraud.

[Nick]

But that's a, you know, on par, pretty peaceable group actually. Kind of nice people. Like why the hatred? And I think it's Christianity. I really believe that.

[Dan]

Yeah, I really believe that. This guy's a prick.

[Jordan]

No psychic powers, no ability to transform anything. Just nothing. I heard that man say those things and I didn't apparate into a new country.

[Dan]

Nope, nothing.

[Jordan]

Just sitting here. Those words happen. And then we move on. Wild.

[Dan]

Well, may is yelling your power. No, because I didn't like hit the wall or anything.

[Jordan]

It has done zero for me in any way.

[Dan]

See how the left, they just want to kill white Christian farmers. Man in.

[Jordan]

To. To what end?

[Dan]

They hate food.

[Jordan]

So imagine. Okay, you know what? Fuck it, let's do it. The left wants to kill all white farmers. Now. Now imagine I'm on the left and imagine I did it. I got all of those fuckers out of here. Now what?

[Dan]

I guess that now you can control the food supply easier or something and make people dependent. So then they have to be communist and then God is dead.

[Jordan]

Makes sense to me.

[Dan]

Yeah. I don't know. These people are just. They're just racists.

[Jordan]

That's just. What a wild thing to just throw. There's not even that many farmers. Even if there are. Even if there are tons of farmers all their seed. It's not like they're getting their own seed. Monsanto is our farmer.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If you want, sure. You know.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that corporations and big business have done much more damage to farmers than globalists.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we. Nobody, no leftist has ever been like, hey man, we're going to sell you seed that dies next year. Not once.

[Dan]

Nap.

[Nick]

Nope.

[Dan]

So it's not just white farmers.

[Alex]

So sure.

[Dan]

They also just. They kind of hate maybe black farmers too or something.

[Jordan]

The farm, the earth.

[Alex]

And it's not just kill white Christians. That's the main target. Look at the Rwandan massacre, which the UN actually ran. If you study it. And the Clintons, you were there and it was a tiny. It was a minority of blacks that were Christian because they were Christian. They had all the prosperity and were successful and they all got exterminated and wiped out. A couple million of them. And now all over the world they're pressuring.

[Nick]

Is that true? I didn't know that. That there was a religious component to.

[Alex]

The Christians got killed.

[Dan]

Killed.

[Nick]

I didn't know that.

[Alex]

And the animus did it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And the UN oversaw it. They put them in the refugee centers.

[Jordan]

What?

[Alex]

Oh yeah, the UN helped murder them all.

[Nick]

So the tootsies were disproportionately Christian?

[Alex]

Yes, yes. The minority group that was killed was disproportionately Christian.

[Nick]

By the Hutus.

[Alex]

Yeah. And the Hutus were animist.

[Nick]

Why have I never heard that before?

[Alex]

That, that was, that was what I had guessed on at the time. It was going down and covered it. Yeah.

[Nick]

That was 31 years ago. I didn't know that.

[Dan]

Oh my God, Alex, you're enlightening me. So this is bullshit. It wasn't a religious thing that separated the Hutu and Tutsi and Rhonda, obviously the story is far more complicated than being able to distill things down into one quick answer. But a large part of the conflict traced back to Belgian colonial times where the Belgians viewed the lighter skinned Tutsi as closer to white and thus gave them an elevated position in the colonial state. The Belgian colonist state codified their identities as either Hutu or Tutsi. And over time the majority Hutu were ruled by a mostly Tutsi elite. And this was one of the primary drivers of the genocide. But oh my God, Alex, you're blowing my mind. How could I have never heard this?

[Jordan]

You know, Dan, sometimes when you look back at the history of colonialism and you see these non tribal white people who are very peaceful and uninterested in taking resources from other people. And whenever they just decide who's in government, they do a great job. Didn't you ever notice that like if we didn't have the Brits, where would India and Pakistan be? They'd just be what, a group of people not trying to kill each other all the time.

[Dan]

I mean, stupid. It's, it's just a shame that they don't teach history.

[Jordan]

It's exactly right. Cuz Tucker doesn't even know about all these things.

[Dan]

He doesn't know about all this stuff that Alex just talks shit about.

[Jordan]

God, I hate this life.

[Dan]

He's so enlightening. I just, I just picture Tucker's dumb fucking face while Alex tells him this stuff and he has to fucking pretend to be like oh, my God. You've blown my mind.

[Jordan]

When I was a kid, when I was real young, I was. I used to read the Dragonlance novels, and I'm sure that there will be right now, as those words were spoken, there are people listening to this who are, like, shitting in their cars, just going, like, I did that. Right. So there was this character named Raistlan Mageer. Right. And his curse was that he had hourglass pupils because all he could see was what would happen. The decay of the end of the world. Right. That's what I see whenever I look at Tucker Carlson. I see his face, like, melting away and becoming a corpse. Like it. Like in Indiana Jones and the fucking Last Crusade. That's what I see, because that is disgusting.

[Dan]

I see him a little bit after the show is done taping, and he's talking with a friend while drinking a highball. Yeah. And they're laughing about how stupid Alex is.

[Jordan]

I don't know. It seems too stressful for me to even, like. I would need to, like, wind down. I would need to have that highball, and a friend would need to have, like, his hand on my shoulder and just going, like, it's going to be okay, buddy. You're going to do it tomorrow.

[Dan]

Do you. Do you do. Have you seen these clips of. Of Trump talking about how he's not going to make it to heaven?

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Now what's happening?

[Dan]

He's a couple times talked about how, like, he's probably going to hell.

[Jordan]

I'm a pedophile. I'm an evil monster. What are you gonna do?

[Dan]

And I think that freedom is what Tucker actually feels.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's why he doesn't really give a shit. And whatever you're talking about, like, the anxiety and the stress is all gone because he's fucking stupid rich and knows that he's insulated from the problems that he's exacerbating that other people have to deal with.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I don't think it's possible to make a human free of all consequences, also be a good guy.

[Dan]

It's tough. Yeah, it is very tough. So everyone calls people racists. Right.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

And Tucker, he always used to be confused by that.

[Jordan]

He was so confused.

[Dan]

Yeah. But then he realized, oh, my God, it's to make me not be racist.

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Dan]

Sense.

[Nick]

And the funny thing is, you know, they've been preemptively preparing us for this by doing this whole white. You're a white supremacist, and, you know you're a racist. And when I First heard that I was con. I never met a white supremacist in my life. I still don't know any, actually. And I don't mirror. There are so few racists in this country, at least in my time. 50 years.

[Alex]

What it is, is they're labeling you.

[Nick]

What they're doing is they're taking your defenses down. Exactly. So you can't fight back. And I didn't get that. My first thought was, why do you see everything in racial terms? I didn't grow up thinking of things in racial terms at all. Like, at all. And they do. And they do because they're targeting a group. I mean, of course. And even now.

[Alex]

And when you're targeting a group, the first thing you do is teach the group they can't defend themselves.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's so.

[Alex]

I mean, look at Europe. The cardinal sin are here defending yourself if you're white.

[Nick]

Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. I wonder what that is.

[Alex]

Nick Sort or gets beat up by Antifa and then he gets arrested in Portland. Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

What? Was Nick Sorter beat up because he is white? The fuck are we talking about?

[Jordan]

I have no idea.

[Dan]

So I feel like these guys are just bending themselves into knots trying to explain why it's good to be racist. Apparently it's a defense strategy that is useful.

[Jordan]

Try anything you like.

[Dan]

I can't believe these guys won't just come out and say what they mean already. I get that they're old and they've lived with a need for PC code their whole lives, but they can just be racist now.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The more they try to couch their shit in other defensible terms and ideas, the more they just look like cowards.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like this doesn't make sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You believe a certain thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And you're trying to wear a hat.

[Jordan]

Well, the, the. The reason is because they're hedging their bets. They've lived long enough to think, well, the pendulum is going to swing back. I don't want to have a. You know, now that we're in the future, let's look back and see all the people who fucking really went for it and go after them. But that now is just being a coward.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because the future's not going to be. We're going to hold you accountable for this shit.

[Dan]

I don't know if it is, but like, the, the way that everything has.

[Alex]

Broken.

[Dan]

Particularly, you know, over the last number of years, but especially, you know, it's accelerated. Sure. I don't feel like you should have any expectation that there is A normal that ever will exist again.

[Jordan]

Yeah, like, exactly.

[Dan]

Like 2028 is presumably another election. Presumably.

[Jordan]

I can't see why.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

I can't see why there would be one.

[Dan]

Right. Like what. But what kind of rallies are gonna be allowed.

[Nick]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, that aren't gonna be considered riots on Trump's part.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like what? You know the pendulum that you're talking about? Like.

[Nick]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's all or nothing.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Now.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And to pretend that it's not is silly.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

And that's the pretend that. Like, the hedging that you're talking about is them living in a reality that no longer exists.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And to me, it just. It comes off like, I don't really. I'm not that confident in my beef sponsor.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think I might. If I'm racist fully, then my beef sponsor might go away.

[Jordan]

Yep. It's. It's the biz.

[Dan]

So Tucker expresses something that I was pretty surprised by, which is a mentality that we should have stayed out of World War II.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Great.

[Nick]

Feel like we really missed our. Our chance to exercise genuine American exceptionalism. You can say, you know, in 1941 and say, we're just not for totalitarian systems. We're not going to support. Well, it would have been in 1939. We're not going to do Lend lease. We're not going to support your totalitarian system. Joseph Stalin. Sorry.

[Alex]

Sorry.

[Nick]

We're not for Hitler. We're not for Stalin. We're America. We're for us. Like, that didn't seem to occur to anybody other than Charles Lindbergh and the majority of the American population that supported that plan. And they've been slandered.

[Jordan]

What else occurred to Charles Lindbergh ever since?

[Alex]

And they kidnapped Lindbergh's baby and all of it to teach him. And so imagine the Russians and the Germans would have just spit each other out. They would have exhausted each other. The Soviet Union probably would have fallen. The Nazis would have fallen, I would imagine.

[Jordan]

We could imagine.

[Alex]

Which is an expeditionary force at the end of it, cleaned it all up as liberators, but instead we got right in the middle of it.

[Nick]

Yeah. Or how about you tell, like, the family, you know, the moms in this town with their son. Their son died fighting alongside Stalin's forces. I mean, really. So hateful. What happened to Kanye? Do you still talk to him?

[Alex]

No, he. I don't think he's a bad person. I think he's disturbed. Yeah. And I think no shit got screwed over in business. I Think a lot of what he said was true.

[Dan]

See, this is fun because Tucker also interviewed Yay when he was having his anti Semitic meltdown and he edited tons of stuff out of the interview in order to present Yay as not hating Jewish people. He just had interesting ideas. See, Tucker bringing up Ye is funny because he was part of trying to facilitate Ye's whole Nazi thing by editing out egregious parts of their interview. So he looked more palatable to naive viewers. And that's great that we finally get to this part where Tucker is just saying we should have stayed out of World War II.

[Alex]

Great.

[Dan]

Cool, man. Also, the Lindbergh baby kidnapping happened in 1932. So that seems unrelated to his anti interventionist position in World War II. Very unrelated, but whatever go off.

[Jordan]

Very unrelated.

[Dan]

Historical expert. Fucking bunch of dumb dicks. They're talking about how we should have just stayed out of World War II and Lindbergh has been wrongly smeared as supporter of Nazis and what have you.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And then without missing a beat, he's just like, hey, how's, how's Yay do it? You still talk to that Nazi?

[Jordan]

It is what it is immensely frustrating to actually give a shit in the presence of these people that just that concept of giving it because they are play acting. Giving a shit as a, as a fucking. A goddamn condom. This is bullshit.

[Dan]

They give a shit about something that is very abhorrent.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And because they don't want to be seen as giving a shit about that thing because it's for their entire lives has been pretty socially repugnant.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They have to pretend to give a shit about something else that is socially acceptable. Unfortunately, their behaviors have illustrated that they are fine with not going like they don't give a shit it about those things.

[Jordan]

I mean the very concept of what he just said to him doesn't deserve a second thought. But the idea of well, we should have just gone after the big fight is over and mopped up and been the heroes. That is so absurd, so insane and selfish and fucking just absolutely psychopathic, you know?

[Dan]

Right. And I. I think that that relitigating history like that, it's always so fraught true. Because we know a lot now that we didn't then. Sure. We know a lot about the scale of genocide that was going on. If we hadn't entered the war when we did and things gone the way that they did, there would have been so much more extermination of various peoples.

[Jordan]

Almost certainly.

[Dan]

And for Tucker to have the awareness of hindsight and still Be like, we should have stayed out of it. Means that he would have been fine with any level of industrial genocide that was being carried out then.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

It. It's. It's.

[Jordan]

I mean, just the idea of, like, hey, how about instead, we should have started a war when they built enough.

[Dan]

So, anyway, yay. Alex says some stuff about this that, like, very unacceptable.

[Alex]

He just goes on and says he loves Hitler over and over again. Which I guess it, like, presses on the nerve of edge lording.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

No. So it's like, I'm being bad. I'm being bad. That only goes so far. And then I think I understood why he was wearing the mask. Masks? Why? Well, after the show, he goes back there and pulls the mask off to eat salad. And the pupils were just pure black.

[Nick]

Oh, what's that from just being high?

[Alex]

I mean, just being sexy, I think might do it. I don't know. I didn't. I mean, I was like. He was. I mean, I've never seen anybody with pure black peoples.

[Nick]

Really?

[Alex]

He was. Yeah, he pulled it off. It's like glowing. He was just. And I was like. He said, they're eating a salad. And I went, oh, now I now understand what's going on. I mean, I don't know, maybe. Maybe a bunch of methamphetamine mixed with acid they say could do it. I don't know. It's hardcore drugs can do that. Wow. I'm trying to be mean to him. I felt like I was actually.

[Nick]

No, you're not being mean.

[Alex]

I felt like I was being abusive, even letting him on air, you know, when it was because he was obviously out of his mind. Mind.

[Nick]

And that was kind of the la. That was the last anyone really, really heard from him. That was it, kind of. That was the end of Kanye, I.

[Alex]

Think he's like, I'm gonna take the mask off now. He just pulls it off. And I was just like. Put an album out after that boardroom thing.

[Dan]

Table song called Hail Hitler sitting there.

[Alex]

And I'm watching him just like. And I was like, wow.

[Nick]

So there was no one around him who cared enough to keep him off the air in that stuff state it sounds like.

[Dan]

Definitely not you. Yeah. The guy who's going around to all the media hits and yelling about Jews and talking about how he loves Hitler and how we're not going to be mean to Nazis anymore. How could you ever possibly think that he would be unfit to be on air? Shows up in a ski mask and wants to. Look, Alex, I get it. It's embarrassing.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That interview is embarrassing. It is. Shouldn't have done it.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Looks real bad. You can't save it with this now being like, oh, my God, I didn't know he was on drugs. He had pretty good reason to assume that he is unwell. His behavior was entirely unwell. But there's a lot of ratings you can get out of having him on the show. It's gonna drive clicks. It's a good spectacle. Of course you're gonna do it.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Even if now you have to pretend like, oh my God, I was being so mean to him having him on.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yes, you were. And you should have known that. And guess what? He was on with Nick Fuentes, who you still have on regularly.

[Jordan]

He didn't seem to have Kanye's best interests in mind. In. In the way that Tucker kind of put it.

[Dan]

Yeah. Hey, Tucker. You interviewed him too, dipshit.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah, he did.

[Dan]

Alex 1000% would still have yay on any time if he would show up. Course he's having Nick Fuentes on all the time. He doesn't give a shit about any of this. Whatever would get attention would be fine. And then if he has to perform some kind of idea of penance or regret later, he'll do that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, of course. Way easier, way easier to fake like this than not do it and lose money.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But this may not be the end. But something happened in this clip.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And then I kind of got distracted.

[Nick]

I know you hate talking about this, but I'm just. I want to. I want you to explain what's happening with what I think is.

[Alex]

Let me do this first, cuz I got the great Tucker Carlson here. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I'm always a little Star Trek. I love you so much. How much time do we got? Cuz I want to hit the real building 7. I also want to hit some transhumanism AI stuff. How much time? I know you're busy.

[Nick]

I'm not that busy.

[Alex]

You got super huge important meetings tonight.

[Nick]

We got like an hour.

[Alex]

Okay, good. Can I take a 5 minute break?

[Nick]

Gots to.

[Alex]

And then I'm going to answer every question you got. I want to answer them all.

[Nick]

Perfect.

[Jordan]

Thank you.

[Dan]

Yay. So Alex needed to go to the bathroom and then I realized I gotta go to the bathroom too. And so I went to the bathroom and then I forgot to get back to the episode and I was really busy this week, so.

[Jordan]

So there's more of this interview, is there? Does it matter?

[Dan]

When I realized that there was More to the interview. I did ask myself that. Is there more?

[Jordan]

Is there, Is there?

[Dan]

We're relitigating World War II and talking about how ye was whacked out of his brain on seven hits of acid when Alex did his dumb shit interview.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Talking, just justifying racism. Is there more?

[Jordan]

Is there. Was there anything to the interview?

[Dan]

I think Alex wanted to. Like, in that clip, Tucker is trying to pivot over to the bankruptcy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's clearly what he's. The road that he's starting down.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

Because the primary goal of this is to get people to Alex's new website.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

It's to get rid of the Infowars brand and get people to Alex Jones store. And so that's the direction that Tucker is trying to take this in. And Alex is like, oh, man, I want to Talk more about Building 7. We got to talk about. I think he's getting a little excited.

[Jordan]

He wants to be the conspiracy theorist guy. He doesn't want to be the guy who's got a business that's falling apart because the government and stuff, and he's got to yell about shit and he's got to do this whole thing and Owen doesn't love him anymore. But here it's you and me, Tucker. We're talking about Building seven, buddy.

[Dan]

I, I just. My best.

[Jordan]

You've got whiskey. Give me some or something.

[Dan]

So we may cover the rest of this on the next episode. Possible. We might not.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Dan]

We're probably gonna do it.

[Jordan]

Okay. Oh, something will come.

[Dan]

So anyway, fuck these dudes. Just the worst. I can't even. Like, they didn't even get into demons.

[Jordan]

I don't, I don't. God, I hate it that they get to talk about shit that's real. But they do it in the exact same way that they talk about demons, but then they don't talk about demons, which would be fun.

[Dan]

And I'd like them to talk about demons in the way that you or I might talk about a bill that's being introduced into Congress or something. Talk about demons names.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

So we'll check back in, see if they get down to that eventually. But till then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

I'M really rooting for you to have superpowers.

[Jordan]

I don't, I don't. I've got to let it go.

[Dan]

But we haven't finished the interview yet.

[Jordan]

That's a good point. That's a good point. We got to finish this interview.

[Dan]

Yeah, maybe the, the, the, the slow boil of media powers, right?

[Jordan]

What it is is that the real torture is that I have suddenly been been let go of the pain for only just long enough to forget how truly bad the pain was.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

And that moment of realization will kickstart the mutation and I will become, I guess, a cloud.

[Dan]

Yeah. I am Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am running Weapon X. What? Yeah.

[Jordan]

Woo.

[Dan]

Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robot.

[Alex]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex]

I love you.