Knowledge Fight Episode #1087: October 18, 2025

Release Date: October 24, 2025
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dissect Alex Jones’s October 18, 2025, broadcast, a special Saturday installment focused on the “No Kings” nationwide protests. The hosts critically examine Jones’s evolving rhetoric, particularly around political violence, law enforcement, “false flags,” and his shifting relationship with authoritarianism. Throughout, Dan & Jordan highlight glaring contradictions in Jones’s positions and provide insight into the wider context of US right-wing media as Infowars faces imminent shutdown.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter and Bright Spots

• Dan celebrates finally getting a driver’s license after 15 years (01:10–02:59).
• Jordan’s bright spot is receiving his medical marijuana card, prompting musings about taxes and the economics of legality (03:55–05:48).
• Mutual jokes about now both being “documented” citizens (05:48–05:53).

2. Setting the Stage: The ‘No Kings’ Protests and Alex’s Tone

• The October 18th “No Kings” protests are central, with Alex recording on his day off from backup “Chase Geyser” studios (08:16–08:42).
• Dan notes that Alex, unusually, isn’t overcommitting to claims of imminent false flag attacks—he’s much more cautious than in past protest cycles (05:59–07:01).

“He’s not over committing to the idea that there’s going to be a false flag... it’s restrained.” —Dan (06:07)

3. Infowars: Imminent Shutdown and Declining Influence

• Jones opens with defeat: Infowars is “about gone,” blaming court rulings and describing Infowars as entering “free fall” (08:42–09:50).
• Jones frames ongoing legal troubles as censorship, but claims “the globalists admit they’re in free fall,” conflating “globalists” directly with the Democratic Party (09:53–10:07).
• Dan: “You notice that globalist just means Democrat... all of those feelings that he’s negatively built up and associated with globalists are all just Democrat now.” (09:50–10:08)

4. Policing, Immigration, and Rhetorical Shifts

• Alex praises Trump’s immigration crackdown and conflates ICE actions with routine police work, often misrepresenting news stories as grand victories for his narrative (10:44–12:16).
• Dan and Jordan clarify: local police anti-trafficking actions are not the same as ICE crackdowns, noting Alex’s intentional conflation (11:59–12:33).
• Alex’s “law and order” enthusiasm now applies only when weaponized against perceived enemies—an inversion of his past anti-police-state rhetoric.

5. Alex’s Changing Position on State Power and ‘Police State’ Tactics

• Dan points out: Jones no longer opposes police state moves across the board: “Police state stuff is actually good in this circumstance. Whether he understands it or not, the mere fact that he’s trying to defend himself this way is proof that he’s changed.” (25:37–26:24)
• Alex gets defensive on-air, insisting that he’s principled—but repeatedly lands on: it’s okay if the “police state” targets immigrants or Democrats, not “real” Americans (24:16–25:37).

“No, that’s unconstitutional when you’ve got Biden... but it’s the survival of the country [with Trump].” —Alex Jones (24:19)

6. ‘Antifa’ as All-Purpose Scapegoat

• Jones describes Antifa as a criminal conspiracy dating back to the 1930s, alleging an “official charter” combining communism, Satanism, and pedophilia (15:52–16:18). Dan & Jordan debunk this as fabrication.

“Antifa believes— their official charter since the 30s… is communism, satanism and pedophilia. Look it up.” —Alex Jones (15:57)

• Jordan: “I think Alex might be making this up.” (16:35)
• The discussion devolves into farce, mocking the idea of Antifa membership votes and Satanic notaries.

7. Fearmongering and ‘False Flag’ Anxiety

• Despite the charged tone, Jones hedges: protests are peaceful by day—“but at night is when the violence kicks off.” (14:54)
• Alex maintains a theoretical “false flag” could occur—mass shootings pinned on Trump supporters by “globalists”—but he’s less certain and more resigned than usual (27:57–32:54).
• Dan and Jordan note the “have it both ways” nature of Jones’s predictions: if violence occurs, he “called it”; if not, he claims he scared the deep state into inaction.

8. Normalization of Political Violence

• Jones explicitly threatens anti-Trump activists with “helicopter rides” (Pinochet-style executions), while noting this could risk a new right-wing dictatorship (48:57–50:39).

“You want helicopter rides?... about an inch away from really bad things... once it starts there’ll be a danger after helicopter time of stopping, that there’ll be an instinct to create a new type of tyranny that’s right wing. I don’t want that.” —Alex Jones (48:57)

• Dan: “Hey, once there’s helicopter time, you’re already too... you’re in that right wing tyranny.” (49:29)
• When pressed, Jones ultimately says if there’s a right-wing dictatorship, he’d just “retire,” not oppose it. Dan underscores the hypocrisy: “Why would he fight tyranny that protects his power?” (52:08)

9. Press Corps Purge at the Pentagon

• Jones describes a chaotic reform of the Pentagon press corps—celebrating moves to kick out legitimate outlets in favor of sycophantic “independent media” (34:28–35:48).
• Dan points out the reality: strict rules were imposed so only loyalists like OAN, Gateway Pundit, and Lindell TV remain—true adversarial press are out (36:09–37:03).
• Jordan: “How far Nazi are you? … Now it’s just the Nazi window, basically.” (34:11)

10. State-Sponsored Terror, Scarecrows, and ‘Paper Tigers’

• Alex likens state enforcement actions to “scarecrows”—the threat matters more than the force, normalizing the strategic use of fear (40:20–43:17).
• Dan: “That’s basically terrorism…. Alex is describing and supporting state-sponsored terrorism.” (42:53)

11. Contradiction: Instigating vs. Disavowing Violence

• Jones mocks leftists for “not knowing how to do civil war right”—contrasting “dumb Antifa” with “smart right wing” assassinations and arson, while publicly distancing himself from instigation (45:53–47:21).

“I don’t want this to happen. I’m just letting you dumbasses know... we do the hanging, we do the killing. We know how to do it. You are a joke.” —Alex Jones (45:53–47:21)

• Dan & Jordan highlight the overlap between this rhetoric and historical right-wing terrorism (e.g., KKK, recent political attacks), and the way Jones always blames the left when violence erupts (47:21–48:30).

12. Classic Jones Rant: The Herald of Doom

• The episode ends with an unhinged soliloquy where Jones casts himself as the “herald” (a la Silver Surfer) for righteous destruction, basking in being hated and promising final justice (53:47–56:28).

“My spirit wants to politically non-violently tear your carotid arteries out with my teeth... you summoned the terrible giant... I am just a small little representation of it... I am here simply to announce its arrival.” —Alex Jones (54:58–56:28)

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• On documentation:
  “I need the government to give me a little card so I can safely traverse to the woods.” —Dan (01:47)
• Alex on Infowars’ fate:
  “Infowars will be shut down next week, but definitely within the next month... The globalists admit they’re in free fall.” —Alex Jones (08:42–09:50)
• On police state hypocrisy:
  “Police state stuff is actually good in this circumstance... proof that he’s changed his position... It was supposed to be bad no matter what.” —Dan (25:37)
• Alex’s antifa ‘charter’:
  “Communism, satanism and pedophilia. Look it up.” —Alex Jones (15:57)
• Mocking right-wing talking points:
  “Smart right wingers would do exactly what stupid Antifa terrorists would do. But they would do it this way because they’re smart.” —Jordan (48:40)
• On helicopter executions:
  “You want helicopter rides?... you’re very close to helicopter time. Because once it starts... there’ll be an instinct to create a new type of tyranny that’s right wing. I don’t want that.” —Alex Jones (48:57–49:29)
• Pyrrhic self-mythologizing:
  “I am just a herald that came and beat the drum for the giant coming over the mountain to crush you.” —Alex Jones (56:00)

Key Timestamps

• Bright spots and documentation humor: 01:10–05:53
• No Kings protest analysis: 05:55–07:01
• Infowars imminent demise discussion: 08:16–10:08
• Antifa charter absurdity: 15:47–17:05
• Defensive pivot on police state tactics: 24:16–26:24
• False flag theorizing: 27:57–32:54
• Pentagon press corps purge: 34:28–37:03
• State-sponsored terrorism comparison: 40:20–43:17
• Violent right-wing rhetoric: 45:53–47:21
• Classic Alex rant (herald of doom): 53:47–56:28

Tone and Takeaways

Dan and Jordan’s tone remains dry and sardonic, laying bare the contradictions, hypocrisies, and absurdities of Alex Jones’ rhetoric and the broader far-right media environment. The hosts emphasize that Jones’s current posture openly embraces authoritarian power, celebrates intimidation, and flirts with incitement—while still painting himself as a victim and defender of “freedom.” Their analysis provides a roadmap to understanding modern right-wing propaganda’s logic and the normalization of extremism in 2025.

A must-listen for anyone seeking to understand how reactionary media evolves in real time, especially as figures like Alex Jones pivot from “anti-establishment” fearmonger to enthusiast for state terror—always justifying it, so long as it targets the ‘right’ enemies.