Knowledge Fight #1095: November 13, 2025

Podcast Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Dan, Jordan
Main Topic: Dan and Jordan examine Alex Jones's show from November 13, 2025, focusing on revelations from new Epstein emails and the deranged discourse around them.

Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan break down the rambling chaos of a recent Alex Jones Show in which Alex tries to manage new Epstein email revelations—especially the ones implicating Steve Bannon—while continuing his allegiance to Donald Trump. The hosts also examine Alex's increasingly bizarre spiritual monologues, his double standards on celebrity threats toward Trump, and the embarrassing and racist guest appearance of Elijah Schaefer, recently mired in lawsuits and, as it turns out, overt bigotry.

Bright Spots

(00:10–05:45)

• Alex’s Bright Spot: He watched the latest episode of The Amazing Race and saw a challenge involving memorizing Greek letters. He bragged about how he would have dominated (“Seeing these people like see a delta and they’re like, I think it’s a beta. Go fuck yourself.” – Alex, 02:14).
• Jordan’s Bright Spot: Watching Chopped before bed. It's perfect sleep TV—easy to re-enter mid-episode and fall back asleep (“It’s a workhorse of a show that never needs to stop. There’s always going to be more random shit you can put in a basket and make people try and cook.” – Jordan, 05:06).

Key Discussion Points

1. Alex’s Spin on Epstein/Bannon Revelations

(06:00–15:35)

• Alex tries to minimize newly released Epstein emails showing Steve Bannon’s close relationship with Epstein, claiming their only connection was discussing interest rates.
  • "Totally innocent. Nothing to see here." – Alex (12:05)
  • Dan interrupts with the facts: Bannon called Epstein "a great assistant" and Epstein coordinated international travel for him, set up meetings, and offered foreign policy advice (12:22–13:13).
• Dan and Jordan emphasize the difference between the dark, conspiratorial narrative Jones promotes and the more mundane but still corrupt reality:
  • "You're not complicit in doing a murder ritual with a child, but you are complicit in palling around with this guy because you made a lot of money, right? And all that shit. I sacrificed whatever piece of my morals should have been there." – Alex, summarized (13:38)
• Criticism of how right-wing media ignores the hypocrisy—at a time when they hyped up every stray Podesta email and Pizzagate nonsense, they now downplay high-level conservatives’ real ties to Epstein.

2. The Trump Defense, Public Stupidity, and Alex’s Decline

(15:35–26:57)

• Alex claims if he "turned on Trump," all his legal problems would go away—a delusional self-pity the hosts mock.
  • "If Alex turned on Trump, none of his legal problems would go away. He’s backwashed now." – Alex (22:27 summary)
• Discussion of how Alex views himself as a prophet of the people, but in reality, his refusal to break from Trump has left him powerless and irrelevant.
• Alex rants that the public is too dumbed down for subtlety—Trump should do big, theatrical stunts like Kid Rock to get attention.
  • "If Trump just did like Kid Rock did and smashed an ice sculpture of Jerome Powell...he got a ten-point boost." – Dan impersonating Alex (17:05)

3. Alex’s Divine “Time Tricks”

(29:34–34:23)

• Alex regales the audience with more tales of God waking him at weird times and communicating via cell phone clock.
• Dan and Jordan ridicule how empty and repetitive these “prophet” tales are—there is never any message or action, just self-absorbed clock antics.
  • "God gave Alex hundreds of dreams about Gene Hackman and Alex ignored them... If you just decide that you get to ignore some prophecy and go with the stuff you like, then you're using God." – Alex (32:18)
  • "This is not that complicated. He thinks he has visions. It's not weird for him. It would be weird for you." – Jordan (33:35)

4. Double Standards: Woody Harrelson, Kathy Griffin & Celebrity Threats

(36:34–40:52)

• Alex discusses Woody Harrelson’s joke about wanting to poison Trump, referencing old conspiracy theories about Harrelson’s father.
• Hosts point out the double standard—Jones enthusiastically demonized Kathy Griffin for her decapitated Trump photo, but treats Woody Harrelson with kid gloves because he’s politically closer.
  • "This is all a game. Alex likes Woody Harrelson. So he’s like—dial it in, Woody." – Alex (40:11)

5. The Saga of Elijah Schaefer: Defamation, Racism, and Insecurity

(41:17–76:00)

• Elijah Schaefer joins as guest. Recently fired from The Blaze for sexual assault, currently being sued by Kash Patel’s girlfriend for posting a photo implying she’s an Israeli agent.

• Schaefer plays dumb about what his tweet meant, claiming "I never said anything!" while both hosts ridicule how disingenuous this is.

  • "It's fucking embarrassing. Say what you mean, write what you say, right?" – Alex (46:45)

• They skewer the state of right-wing media where no professionalism prevails and everyone’s motivation is primarily grifting and personal drama (“Everybody was just trying to make some money. Bad.” – Jordan, 44:01)

• Escalates to Overt Racism: Schaefer unleashes a torrent of anti-Indian bigotry:

  • "You cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and dishonest culture. And that's not racist. That's true." – Elijah Schaefer (51:50)
  • The hosts react with disgust and disbelief, noting even Alex tries to course-correct him.
    • Dan deadpans: "I would say it's a very human thing to do." (61:26)
  • They discuss how Schaefer’s insecurity—ranting about his own “striations” and criticizing others for being out of shape—is of a piece with his racism.

• More Schaefer Absurdity:

  • Criticizes Cash Patel’s inability to do pull-ups as a symbol of deep political malaise.
    • "He can't even do a pull up. What does she see in him?" – Elijah Schaefer (67:37)
  • The hosts ridicule the childishness of this masculinity game (“Playful immaturity is good; immaturity that creates systems to hurt people isn't.” – Alex, 78:23).

6. Wrap-Up and Reflection

(78:23–End)

• Dan and Jordan sum up the episode as exemplary of how pathetic Alex’s show has become: unable to meaningfully address the real implications of the Epstein emails and forced to rely on the likes of Schaefer, whose presence only drags the discourse further into the gutter.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bannon-Epstein:
  "Steve Bannon and Jeff Epstein were good friends...Epstein was coordinating international travel for Bannon, and Bannon called him 'a great assistant'...Alex can cut the bullshit." – Alex (12:22–13:13)

• On Decline:
  "Alex and his audience are just kinda backwashed now...He now feels like he has to cover for Bannon and Epstein being friends." – Alex (22:27–23:59)

• On Public Stupidity:
  ”If Trump just did like Kid Rock did and… started beating [an ice sculpture] with a sledgehammer, he got a ten-point boost… The public's so dumbed down!” – Dan as Alex (17:05)

• On Immaturity:
  "It's painful...all this insecurity. This is one of the more insecure people you could hear." – Jordan (75:33–75:38)

• Racism, Unfiltered:
  "You cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and dishonest culture. And that's not racist. That's true." – Elijah Schaefer (51:50, 53:01)

• On Disjointed Reality:
  "Like, I know you know that I'm lying, but not everybody knows that I'm lying. And that's where I get my grift, you know... But now it feels like I don't even know if I'm lying anyway. I might be telling the truth. I might be lying about lying right now. I don't know." – Jordan (19:45)

Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:10: Co-hosts’ bright spots, TV talk
• 06:00: Epstein emails and Alex’s damage control
• 12:22: Reality of Bannon-Epstein connection
• 17:05: Alex’s rant about Trump needing to go “full Kid Rock”
• 29:34: Alex’s “‘God tells me the time’” schtick
• 36:34: Woody Harrelson and celebrity threat hypocrisy
• 41:17: Introduction of Elijah Schaefer, lawsuit discussion
• 51:50–54:02: Elijah’s racist tirade
• 67:37: Schaefer’s “pull-up” masculinity dig
• 75:03: Reflection on Schaefer’s immaturity
• 78:23: Hosts’ closing thoughts on the state of Alex Jones, Knowledge Fight outro

Tone & Style

• The episode is full of sardonic wit, exasperated laughter, and a mix of incredulity and resignation as Dan and Jordan dissect the absurdities of the latest Alex Jones meltdown.
• Memorable for how both hosts rotate between genuine moral outrage (at blatant racism or transparent lying) and darkly comic bemusement at how low these figures have sunk.

For New Listeners

This episode will give you a strong sense of everything Knowledge Fight does best:

• Meticulous dissection of Alex Jones’s false narratives
• Unapologetic calling out of bigotry and dangerous double standards
• Irreverent, jokey banter that keeps even the worst moments entertaining

Most importantly, it shines as a reminder of how fringe media personalities twist every revelation for tribal advantage—and of just how hollow and toxic that routine has become.