#1095: November 13, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight #1095: November 13, 2025

Podcast Date: November 21, 2025
Hosts: Dan, Jordan
Main Topic: Dan and Jordan examine Alex Jones's show from November 13, 2025, focusing on revelations from new Epstein emails and the deranged discourse around them.

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Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan break down the rambling chaos of a recent Alex Jones Show in which Alex tries to manage new Epstein email revelations—especially the ones implicating Steve Bannon—while continuing his allegiance to Donald Trump. The hosts also examine Alex's increasingly bizarre spiritual monologues, his double standards on celebrity threats toward Trump, and the embarrassing and racist guest appearance of Elijah Schaefer, recently mired in lawsuits and, as it turns out, overt bigotry.

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Bright Spots

(00:10–05:45)

• Alex’s Bright Spot: He watched the latest episode of The Amazing Race and saw a challenge involving memorizing Greek letters. He bragged about how he would have dominated (“Seeing these people like see a delta and they’re like, I think it’s a beta. Go fuck yourself.” – Alex, 02:14).
• Jordan’s Bright Spot: Watching Chopped before bed. It's perfect sleep TV—easy to re-enter mid-episode and fall back asleep (“It’s a workhorse of a show that never needs to stop. There’s always going to be more random shit you can put in a basket and make people try and cook.” – Jordan, 05:06).

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Key Discussion Points

1. Alex’s Spin on Epstein/Bannon Revelations

(06:00–15:35)

• Alex tries to minimize newly released Epstein emails showing Steve Bannon’s close relationship with Epstein, claiming their only connection was discussing interest rates.
  • "Totally innocent. Nothing to see here." – Alex (12:05)
  • Dan interrupts with the facts: Bannon called Epstein "a great assistant" and Epstein coordinated international travel for him, set up meetings, and offered foreign policy advice (12:22–13:13).
• Dan and Jordan emphasize the difference between the dark, conspiratorial narrative Jones promotes and the more mundane but still corrupt reality:
  • "You're not complicit in doing a murder ritual with a child, but you are complicit in palling around with this guy because you made a lot of money, right? And all that shit. I sacrificed whatever piece of my morals should have been there." – Alex, summarized (13:38)
• Criticism of how right-wing media ignores the hypocrisy—at a time when they hyped up every stray Podesta email and Pizzagate nonsense, they now downplay high-level conservatives’ real ties to Epstein.

2. The Trump Defense, Public Stupidity, and Alex’s Decline

(15:35–26:57)

• Alex claims if he "turned on Trump," all his legal problems would go away—a delusional self-pity the hosts mock.
  • "If Alex turned on Trump, none of his legal problems would go away. He’s backwashed now." – Alex (22:27 summary)
• Discussion of how Alex views himself as a prophet of the people, but in reality, his refusal to break from Trump has left him powerless and irrelevant.
• Alex rants that the public is too dumbed down for subtlety—Trump should do big, theatrical stunts like Kid Rock to get attention.
  • "If Trump just did like Kid Rock did and smashed an ice sculpture of Jerome Powell...he got a ten-point boost." – Dan impersonating Alex (17:05)

3. Alex’s Divine “Time Tricks”

(29:34–34:23)

• Alex regales the audience with more tales of God waking him at weird times and communicating via cell phone clock.
• Dan and Jordan ridicule how empty and repetitive these “prophet” tales are—there is never any message or action, just self-absorbed clock antics.
  • "God gave Alex hundreds of dreams about Gene Hackman and Alex ignored them... If you just decide that you get to ignore some prophecy and go with the stuff you like, then you're using God." – Alex (32:18)
  • "This is not that complicated. He thinks he has visions. It's not weird for him. It would be weird for you." – Jordan (33:35)

4. Double Standards: Woody Harrelson, Kathy Griffin & Celebrity Threats

(36:34–40:52)

• Alex discusses Woody Harrelson’s joke about wanting to poison Trump, referencing old conspiracy theories about Harrelson’s father.
• Hosts point out the double standard—Jones enthusiastically demonized Kathy Griffin for her decapitated Trump photo, but treats Woody Harrelson with kid gloves because he’s politically closer.
  • "This is all a game. Alex likes Woody Harrelson. So he’s like—dial it in, Woody." – Alex (40:11)

5. The Saga of Elijah Schaefer: Defamation, Racism, and Insecurity

(41:17–76:00)

• Elijah Schaefer joins as guest. Recently fired from The Blaze for sexual assault, currently being sued by Kash Patel’s girlfriend for posting a photo implying she’s an Israeli agent.

• Schaefer plays dumb about what his tweet meant, claiming "I never said anything!" while both hosts ridicule how disingenuous this is.

  • "It's fucking embarrassing. Say what you mean, write what you say, right?" – Alex (46:45)

• They skewer the state of right-wing media where no professionalism prevails and everyone’s motivation is primarily grifting and personal drama (“Everybody was just trying to make some money. Bad.” – Jordan, 44:01)

• Escalates to Overt Racism: Schaefer unleashes a torrent of anti-Indian bigotry:

  • "You cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and dishonest culture. And that's not racist. That's true." – Elijah Schaefer (51:50)
  • The hosts react with disgust and disbelief, noting even Alex tries to course-correct him.
    • Dan deadpans: "I would say it's a very human thing to do." (61:26)
  • They discuss how Schaefer’s insecurity—ranting about his own “striations” and criticizing others for being out of shape—is of a piece with his racism.

• More Schaefer Absurdity:

  • Criticizes Cash Patel’s inability to do pull-ups as a symbol of deep political malaise.
    • "He can't even do a pull up. What does she see in him?" – Elijah Schaefer (67:37)
  • The hosts ridicule the childishness of this masculinity game (“Playful immaturity is good; immaturity that creates systems to hurt people isn't.” – Alex, 78:23).

6. Wrap-Up and Reflection

(78:23–End)

• Dan and Jordan sum up the episode as exemplary of how pathetic Alex’s show has become: unable to meaningfully address the real implications of the Epstein emails and forced to rely on the likes of Schaefer, whose presence only drags the discourse further into the gutter.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Bannon-Epstein:
  "Steve Bannon and Jeff Epstein were good friends...Epstein was coordinating international travel for Bannon, and Bannon called him 'a great assistant'...Alex can cut the bullshit." – Alex (12:22–13:13)

• On Decline:
  "Alex and his audience are just kinda backwashed now...He now feels like he has to cover for Bannon and Epstein being friends." – Alex (22:27–23:59)

• On Public Stupidity:
  ”If Trump just did like Kid Rock did and… started beating [an ice sculpture] with a sledgehammer, he got a ten-point boost… The public's so dumbed down!” – Dan as Alex (17:05)

• On Immaturity:
  "It's painful...all this insecurity. This is one of the more insecure people you could hear." – Jordan (75:33–75:38)

• Racism, Unfiltered:
  "You cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and dishonest culture. And that's not racist. That's true." – Elijah Schaefer (51:50, 53:01)

• On Disjointed Reality:
  "Like, I know you know that I'm lying, but not everybody knows that I'm lying. And that's where I get my grift, you know... But now it feels like I don't even know if I'm lying anyway. I might be telling the truth. I might be lying about lying right now. I don't know." – Jordan (19:45)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:10: Co-hosts’ bright spots, TV talk
• 06:00: Epstein emails and Alex’s damage control
• 12:22: Reality of Bannon-Epstein connection
• 17:05: Alex’s rant about Trump needing to go “full Kid Rock”
• 29:34: Alex’s “‘God tells me the time’” schtick
• 36:34: Woody Harrelson and celebrity threat hypocrisy
• 41:17: Introduction of Elijah Schaefer, lawsuit discussion
• 51:50–54:02: Elijah’s racist tirade
• 67:37: Schaefer’s “pull-up” masculinity dig
• 75:03: Reflection on Schaefer’s immaturity
• 78:23: Hosts’ closing thoughts on the state of Alex Jones, Knowledge Fight outro

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Tone & Style

• The episode is full of sardonic wit, exasperated laughter, and a mix of incredulity and resignation as Dan and Jordan dissect the absurdities of the latest Alex Jones meltdown.
• Memorable for how both hosts rotate between genuine moral outrage (at blatant racism or transparent lying) and darkly comic bemusement at how low these figures have sunk.

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For New Listeners

This episode will give you a strong sense of everything Knowledge Fight does best:

• Meticulous dissection of Alex Jones’s false narratives
• Unapologetic calling out of bigotry and dangerous double standards
• Irreverent, jokey banter that keeps even the worst moments entertaining

Most importantly, it shines as a reminder of how fringe media personalities twist every revelation for tribal advantage—and of just how hollow and toxic that routine has become.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebodies.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge My fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Dan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Need.

[Alex]

Need money.

[Dan]

Andy and Kansas. Andy. Andy. Stop it. Andy and Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Alex]

I'm a fish color.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Alex]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Alex]

We're a couple dudes like to worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Alex]

Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan, Quick question for you. What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Alex]

My bright spot today involves a little bit of a spoiler. Alright. So if anyone is watching the Amazing Race, all right. Please click forward a little bit if you don't want something spoiled.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex]

But it's actually not that much of a spoiler.

[Jordan]

Alright, alright.

[Alex]

It's just kind of. I have never seen until this most recent episode of the Amazing Race something that I would have smoked.

[Jordan]

Wait, wait, wait. You mean something that you would have done very, very well.

[Alex]

I would have beat everybody by a country mile.

[Jordan]

Not like, wow, that's the biggest spliff in Chechnya. No, I'm in.

[Alex]

No. Although maybe, maybe we could see that.

[Jordan]

On the next and I'd be all for it.

[Alex]

So here's the spoiler. Without saying who won or any of this stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Alex]

The last challenge that they had to do after all the roadblocks and everything at the like right before they into the finish was they had to memorize the Greek Alphabet and then like identify Greek letters.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And everyone had so much trouble with it.

[Jordan]

God.

[Alex]

And I would have just been like, doo, doo, doo. Seeing these people, like see a delta and they're like, I think it's a beta. Go fuck yourself.

[Jordan]

That's, that's always really truly great whenever you watch one of those shows and then suddenly somebody's just, this is my wheelhouse, guys. We are going to be ahead by four hours because accidentally I am a very specific said I was waiting for.

[Alex]

Like there's enough people left on the show that I thought maybe someone would have some familiarity with yeah. But no, no.

[Jordan]

Oh, it's the Physical Asia show I was talking to you about. Right. One of their. One of their challenges. You got these strands of fabric and you got to hang on above the ground. Right. One of the guys on one of the teams, Cirque du Soleil guy. So it was like, oh, everybody just quit. This guy's going to win it. We're already done here. No point in being here.

[Alex]

Yeah, I would. I, like, I would fail at almost everything, but, like, they're just. This would be that moment where it's like, thank God came along.

[Jordan]

Oh, man.

[Alex]

This is what I bring to the Dirty Dozen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. Like, I get it. You know, everybody wants to be the guy who does all the stuff and gets a lot of the glory, but sometimes there's a guy who does one thing and he needs that one thing, and he's the only guy who can do it.

[Alex]

I. I know that a Sigma is not an O with a squiggle on it. I know that.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex]

Come on.

[Jordan]

I would have. I would be hard pressed to tell.

[Alex]

You what Sigma is fucking people anyway. What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is. Wait, what was my bright spot?

[Alex]

I don't know. Could have told me something about your wife got your ass.

[Jordan]

Nice. Eat it, Jordan. Oh, no. My bright spot is every night we fall asleep watching Chopped.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And my bright spot is Chopped is a perfect TV show to fall asleep to. It's the perfect structure form to be asleep and then awake sometime in the middle and be immediately caught up on what's going on, and then fall asleep and then do your next episode and be like, no problem.

[Alex]

It's always very interesting when they open up the ingredient.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

You know, and then it always goes, okay. Yep. Like, it never goes too great or too bad.

[Jordan]

It's really hard. But, you know, everybody knows how to kind of melt stuff together. Right? Yeah.

[Alex]

I've watched a lot of that show, and I don't think I've ever seen somebody like, this. Fucking sucks.

[Jordan]

No, you failed there. We were watching an episode where it was like, oh, no, this Freitag is having a bad day. She just tore into everybody. And you could feel the other judges, like, reacting to her energy. Just be like, I guess I'll try and be meaner about this. But she was. It was personal. She had just gotten a divorce or something. Like that was. That was a completely separate.

[Alex]

There was a rock in her shoes.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. So I was just like. I was just reflecting on what a workhorse of a show that Is it never needs to stop. There's never an end to it. There's always going to be more random shit that you can put in a basket and make people try and cook.

[Alex]

Yeah. And it's like, it's exciting, but not that exciting. Yep. So falling asleep, too. It's pretty good.

[Jordan]

So easy. Yeah, yeah, it's great.

[Alex]

It's kind of a, like, melatonin show.

[Jordan]

It is. It's. It's. I don't know if you can set out to make a show that's perfect for falling asleep too, but if they did, they nailed it.

[Alex]

I think you can't set out for it, but you just have to accidentally discover it along the way.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Well, I'm glad you found it, too.

[Jordan]

Good.

[Alex]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex]

We're going to be talking about November 13, 2025.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex]

As the Epstein emails continue to peek their little head. And Alex is forced to be constantly just saying, everything's fine.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Hey, we're good.

[Jordan]

Well, everything's fine.

[Alex]

No big deal. Nothing.

[Dan]

Burgers.

[Jordan]

Okay, fine.

[Alex]

So we'll chat about how he deals with this day's events. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Alex]

So first, this is my actual name, not a shout out Jones. Thank you so much. You're an now policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex]

Thank you. Next, Jeff Brown. Damn you. And thank you for bringing knowledge fight into my life. May God start waking you up to tell you the time. Love, tc. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Alex]

And hey, Meggie. Still promise to love you even during football season. Skoal, Vikings. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to. Greetings from nuthatch. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, Someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Alex]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex]

So on our last episode, we discussed some emails coming out about Trump Being the dog that didn't bark.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And Wolf, Michael Wolf and Jeffrey Epstein going back and forth talking about how they can exploit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Trump and shit.

[Jordan]

Basically we're just doing everything short of Trump and Epstein emailing back and forth, being like, hey, wasn't it great when we had sex with that underage child together? Right.

[Alex]

But that was kind of the subtext of the birthday message.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Alex]

The friendship is a wonderful riddle.

[Jordan]

Basically, there we're just waiting for an email that explicitly lays out we fucking Eiffel Towered somebody and now we've moved on with our lives and we can go with it, you know.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah. Well, you know.

[Jordan]

I don't think I'm allowed on regular news programs.

[Alex]

No, no, CNN doesn't want us back now for sure. But I was trying to think of like an American equivalent of the Eiffel Tower because, you know, that seems so European.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Alex]

That was what my brain was doing.

[Jordan]

Do you mean the St. Louis Arch? Yes.

[Alex]

There we go.

[Elijah Schaefer]

All right.

[Alex]

The Gateway to the West. You ever been up there?

[Jordan]

I have, I have actually, yes.

[Alex]

Underwhelming.

[Jordan]

It's very.

[Alex]

So there's more Epstein emails that are coming out.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And hey, here's the, here's the headline. Trump's cool.

[Dan]

All right, here's the deal. Everybody knows I just call like it is balls and strikes. And I predicted, it wasn't hard to predict what was in the so called Epstein files that Congress in the last few months subpoenaed from the doj. And most of it's already been out and been public and it's everything we already knew. And it all exonerates President Trump. But that's not the way the media is taking the headlines and spinning it. So my job is not to defend Trump when he's doing something that's not defendable. My job is to just analyze the.

[Alex]

Facts and pretend that there's a completely different set of facts for you to respond to.

[Jordan]

A really convenient set of facts that already fit with what you were hoping they would be.

[Alex]

Yeah. And I think that if you, if you judge things solely based on headlines, I would say that a lot of the media stuff isn't great either. Sure. Like a lot. But I think that criticism, it's universal for mainstream commercial news enterprises. Like they're always going to write headlines that make you want to click on them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And, and shit. So like, yeah, maybe you could read a headline that overstates some of the email stuff.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

But the counterpoint is Alex, his whole existence is, I mean, yeah.

[Elijah Schaefer]

It's.

[Jordan]

It's. I. I don't want to say it's a matter of degrees so much as it is, like, at the very least, one of them is trying. You know, one of them is trying. There's a lot of compromises they have to make. And you know what? We're biting the bullet on this, but we're trying. And the other one is like, what if I peed on his face?

[Alex]

Yeah, One. One is, like, putting on, like, fireworks around something that's real, and the other is just lying. And Alex is the one that's just lying.

[Jordan]

Just lying.

[Alex]

So it turns out that there are some new revelations.

[Jordan]

All right. Okay.

[Alex]

And they have to do with Steve Bannon.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Alex]

Doing some. Some hanging out.

[Jordan]

Releasing the Seventh Seal, maybe.

[Dan]

So now the new thing, they're like, oh, we're gonna release it all. Oh, actually, drip, drip, drip, drip. The best they've got is the stuff they've released. And now, ooh, Steve Bannon's in there. And I know, you know, the Epstein thing up one side, down the other, backwards and forwards. So I already knew what it would be when I read it. He had at least one meeting with him in New York. Yeah. For a TV interview. That's what he does. Oh, Steve Bannon. He was in emails with him, and he's like, hey, can you put pressure, get any of your buddies to help get rid of Powell? We really need to cut interest rates. I've never had a communication with Steve Bannon, and I've had him for many, many, many, many years. It isn't just, we need to take action on this. We take action on that. Everybody, you know to help do this. I mean, that's.

[Jordan]

You want to go to this island with me?

[Dan]

You get behind the scenes 18 hours a day, just like me, running around fighting the globalist. That's it.

[Alex]

So Alex's version of the story is that Steve Bannon had just emailed with Epstein to discuss if anyone had a connection to Jerome Powell so that they could get the Federal Reserve to change interest rates.

[Jordan]

Makes sense.

[Alex]

Totally innocent. Nothing to see here.

[Jordan]

Above board. We're just trying to manipulate the prices of things so. To make a lot of money.

[Alex]

Yeah, it's just a sex trafficker emailing the former head of Breitbart and one of Trump's top advisors working on some behind the scenes deals on economic policy. Not. Come on.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's. It's almost like you don't want a deep state.

[Alex]

This is Americana. So in reality, Steve Bannon and Jeff Epstein were good friends and had a strong working relationship. The emails reflected in 2018. Epstein was coordinating international travel for Bannon, and Bannon called him, quote, a great assistant on more than one occasion. Great. When Bannon was still involved with the White House, Epstein was advising him on how to handle foreign policy, telling him, quote, if you're going to play here, you have to spend time. Europe by remote. Doesn't work. This was in the context of telling Bannon that he would need to be physically in Europe to hold influence there and that Epstein could set up meetings with world leaders for him. So Alex can cut the bullshit with. They had one meeting, one time, but a TV thing. Fucking garbage.

[Jordan]

You know, it is. It's. It's like this version. The. The. The conspiracy theorist version of it is that horrible. Like, they make you have sex with a child and they film it so they can blackmail you later and all that stuff. But the real life version of it is. Is this, like, everybody just knew him. So, yeah, he's a monster, but everybody knows him. So everybody must be a little bit okay with it, I guess.

[Alex]

Everybody. Like, you're not. You're not complicit in, like, doing a murder ritual with a child, but you are complicit in, hey, I was fine palling around with this guy because I made a lot of money, right? And all that shit I sacrificed whatever piece of my morals should have been there right, for that.

[Jordan]

Which means that now we're on the other side of it, and it turns out, like, fucking everybody knew him, but we just don't talk about it all the time. Because, hey, fucker, you know, everybody knew him. What, are you gonna clean house?

[Alex]

Maybe we'd be nice and see, that's what Epstein and Bannon were trying to do, I bet. Clean some house.

[Jordan]

They were.

[Alex]

Get rid of that Jerome Powell.

[Jordan]

Gotta.

[Dan]

And. But, yo, the headlines. Ooh, met with him. Oh, emails. And you read them. Got them right here. And it's. Hey, you got to put pressure on everybody, you know, we really got to get rid of Powell. That was eight years ago. Well, imagine the White House Chief of staff trying to mobilize powerful people to get rid of the Federal Reserve head. And it's like, oh, shocking revelations. Oh, my goodness. And you read it. Is Nothing Burger on top of Nothing Burger on top of Nothing Burger.

[Alex]

So keep in mind that at the time when Bannon would have been doing this, it's. Well, after the point where everyone knew that he was a sex trafficker and a pedophile.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex]

The best defense, Alex can come up with for these emails is that Bannon, acting as Trump's chief of staff, felt that part of overthrowing the head of the Federal Reserve required rallying a known sex trafficking pedophile into your ranks because he was powerful.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Even if Alex wasn't lying about what the emails say, and even if you were covering the story down the middle, this explanation is horrible. The Alex Jones of 2011 would have serious problems with the President's chief of staff secretly coordinating with a sex trafficking pedophile in order to sway economic policy for the country. And to see this be a nothing burger for Alex now is just pathetic.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, I want better for him. This is so bad.

[Elijah Schaefer]

It's.

[Jordan]

Again, it's just so easy. This is the easiest thing in the world. Right. Like, I understand it's the instinct of everybody in the. In the Internet sphere to, like, talk about the details in this business and argue about all of this stuff, but the reality is, if you're. If you're in the business of being Alex or the. Like, you can just be like, hey, all of these people were talking to him. All of these people get consequences. That's it.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

And at this time frame that he's talking about where Steve Bannon would have been coordinating with Epstein in order to try and get Jerome Powell out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, it's the same time that all of the people in the media sphere of, like, Breitbart and Infowars are sensationalizing the shit out of, like, Podesta emails and all this Pizzagate shit. And so, like, it's a little bit ludicrous to pretend that anyone really cared about any of that stuff.

[Jordan]

Yep. Now is the time for torches and pitchforks. You're the torches and pitchforks guy.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Buy some torches and pitchforks.

[Alex]

No. Because then you have to use them on each other.

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. It'll be fun.

[Alex]

You have to torch and pitch pork fork your friend.

[Jordan]

You guys got it. You guys gotta have it out. And then we'll deal with what's left.

[Alex]

I see. I think. I think the problem is that you are suffering from something that Alex thinks is very common right now, and that is that people are just. They're too stupid.

[Jordan]

That will happen. I have. I have thought that about myself an awful lot lately.

[Dan]

You may just not get it, but it's the messaging. And I'm serious when I say this because things have kind of become idiocracy. We got to be really smart about policy, implement it, be very brainy. At that. But, I mean, if Trump just did like Kid Rock did and, say, had an eye sculpture of Jerome Powell or an ice sculpture, you know, some globalist and started beating it with a sledgehammer, he got a 10 boost, and. And you're like, wait, Alex, you don't want violence. You don't want rhetoric. You don't turn it up. Well, here's the problem. The public's so dumbed down, that's why the left's running around saying, kill everybody. That's what the left's running around saying. Murder everyone, civil war. Because, A, that's the Modesta plan, and B, that's what their constituents want.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Huh?

[Dan]

And I'm not saying Trump has to go that far. He's just got to get hardcore because his actions are revolutionary, but the delivery is very corporate, and people are seeing this.

[Jordan]

And.

[Dan]

Note to Trump, don't have Larry Ellison or Bill Gates in the White House. Note to Trump, stop saying the whole Epstein thing's a hoax. Remember what got explained to you, how you were the one that exposed it and all that? It's on record.

[Jordan]

Remember?

[Dan]

I know you don't care.

[Alex]

It's distracting.

[Jordan]

Remember the lies we told you to.

[Dan]

Tell, but remember Roger came and met with you and was like, oh, my God. You went out and people went, oh. Oh, yeah, because it was true.

[Alex]

Remember, Roger coached you on this.

[Jordan]

This is why the left is going crazy.

[Alex]

Come on, buddy.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex]

Don't you remember?

[Jordan]

How is it possible that you could both hero worship a guy and then speak to him like that?

[Alex]

Remember your talking points.

[Jordan]

Oh, God damn it. This is crazy.

[Alex]

Yeah, people are really stupid. If only Trump would be like, Kid Rock and smash an ice sculpture of somebody, people would love it.

[Jordan]

I think there was a time when I. When I. Like, whenever I felt like they were lying. Right. But they knew what the reality was, and from there, they were creating a lie to. To go from there. Right, Right. I think.

[Alex]

I think I know the distinction you're making.

[Jordan]

Right. Right now it feels like nobody even bothers with what reality is anymore, and they just enjoy crafting new and more fun lies on top of those lies.

[Alex]

Yeah, I think that, yeah, in the past, it felt like there was a lie, but there was kind of an obligation to pretend we all still lived within reality.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Right. Like, I know you know that I'm lying, but not everybody knows that I'm lying. And that's the. That's where I get my grift, you know, that's where we're at. Like, but now it feels like I don't even know if I'm lying anyway. I might be telling the truth. I might be lying about lying right now. I don't know.

[Alex]

Yeah, it's very untethered.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I. When you said there was a time that I got a really horrible thought in my head, and that was. There was a time that I probably could recite the lyrics to, like, five kid rock songs.

[Jordan]

Ooh, five.

[Alex]

And I think that time might be now. I think I still could.

[Jordan]

You think that time is still now?

[Alex]

I think I listened to Devil Without a Cause, that album, enough times.

[Jordan]

It's just there forever, you know? It is. Like, whenever I did hearing aids, I spent some time, more than I would ever like to, in nursing homes and hospices. And there is that, like, person who's like, man, I still smell that from when I was nine years old. And, like, there's so many things I don't want to be the last memory I have, my pet.

[Alex]

I think I'm the bull God. BA with the ba, Right.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Alex]

Only God knows why.

[Jordan]

How many lyrics are there in BA with the BA, though? Because I feel like 40% of it is the title of the song.

[Alex]

No, no. 40% of it is that intro where it's just like.

[Jordan]

That'S one word. That's one ly.

[Alex]

There's other lyrics.

[Jordan]

There's a few. Okay, okay. All right.

[Alex]

Don't make me wild Wild Western.

[Jordan]

I'm not trying to do this.

[Alex]

This is for the questions that don't have any answers. I prefer Will Smith, the midnight glancers and the topless dancers let's stay in.

[Jordan]

Safe harbors where there is a giant mechanical spider.

[Alex]

Yeah. So Alex is reflecting a little bit about how, like, everyone would just. Everyone would love him if he turned on Trump.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Alex]

No, it's not.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Doesn't succeed. I want everybody to understand because it's so fashionable to attack him. So fashionable. You know, spend all your time going after him because the Democrats will promote you. They want to schism, and a lot of Republicans are pissed off, so they're all for it. I mean, if I came out here and said, screw Donald Trump, F him, I'm done. Why? The Democrats would drop their lawsuits against me, and I'd have.

[Jordan]

Is that how it works?

[Dan]

And I could be number one everywhere again, and they wouldn't be blocking me or attacking me, but America would end up degenerating and collapsing. So I don't even think about selling out and doing that. But at the same time, I have to cover each little piece of this and be accurate about it. Trump is the lifeboat we're in, literally. And he's not perfect. But if the lifeboat sinks, we go down with it.

[Alex]

If Alex turned on Trump, none of his legal problems would go away. He'd still be in the exact same mess that he's in. And there's a pretty good chance that no one on the other side of the media would even care past making fun of him. Alex has missed the boat in terms of his timing to make a meaningful pivot. It legit doesn't matter what he does or who he supports now, because the beast he was serving has grown far more powerful than anything he has to offer. Alex and his audience are just kinda backwashed now. There was a time when everyone in the extreme right wing media were caught up in Trump worship, and it would have been a pretty big step to break with Trump in. And around 2020, that election time, that probably would have been the best time to stake this kind of a position, because it was super clear that Trump was trying to overthrow the election. And after January 6, it would have been profoundly easy to present a position that basically boiled down to, this guy's obviously a tyrant. And while I support a lot of his policies, everyone on the right has been whipped into a cult of personality that's going to destroy us. Sure, if he would have done that, then he could have preserved something for his career and probably got a larger audience, but he's a coward.

[Jordan]

I mean, obviously, the irony of that is we told him to do exactly that around 2020.

[Alex]

Yes, if Alex had made that pivot, it might have mattered, but now everything is inconsequential by degrees. And over time, Alex has made decision after decision that's eroded his ability to ever stand up for himself in a way that matters. To the point where he now feels like he has to cover for Bannon and Epstein being friends. Yeah, like you. You've got nothing.

[Jordan]

It feels like a VH1 behind the Music documentary. Like, we're at the point where it's like, wow, you really did downfall, huh? You really went through it.

[Alex]

Yeah, but he's like, Alex isn't going to make the best art of his career. Like, he's not going to find the music again.

[Jordan]

There is no third act redemption story here. There is just fucking white snake went on and then they died.

[Alex]

Unless. End painting show.

[Jordan]

Oh, now we're talking. That actually does sound good.

[Alex]

I think that there's like a weird buyer's remorse kind of feeling of like, Everything in my life would be better if I didn't do this. And like, no, you're delusional. You're just, you mistimed the jump.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's, it's, it's amazing to listen to somebody be like, well, if I did the thing that I should do, it would end society. But at the same time knowing that this person has only ever gotten more and more and more of what they want, which is exactly proportional to how much worse and worse and worse everything has gotten. Like, it could not be more stark. The two lines of more you get, worse it gets for us.

[Alex]

Yeah. And it's fascinating too how I think, like, Alex should really take stock of, like, how his career has come to a point where he can't say no to Trump. Yeah. Except in petulant outburst, like, he's falling in line with everything that matters. And the only kind of pushback at all is like, yep. And it's just doubled back once the feeling subsides.

[Jordan]

And the closest he can get to some sort of sober eyed criticism is saying he calls balls and strike 100% of the time. Strikes for Trump. Yeah, like crazy.

[Alex]

So the media, I think this is really the point. They should be nicer to Trump.

[Jordan]

That does sound true.

[Alex]

And then I think Alex is encouraging people to self harm.

[Dan]

Well, and so everybody just needs to remember, yeah, criticize Trump, but are you spending 80% of your time on it? Yeah, you are.

[Jordan]

That's not going to help us.

[Dan]

Are you spending most of your time on trying to promote the good things he's doing?

[Jordan]

That's not how we got to fight.

[Dan]

The globalists and the left and expose the bad they're doing, because we really should be spending our time on that. Most of it. I just took Trump somewhat to the woodshed because I know he gets the, gets information back. So I'm, I'm more riding a horse. And that's what I see Trump as. Literally, he's the horse getting us there. I don't mean that as an insult, but. And I'm just jamming spurs into, you know, his back legs and, and I got a riding crop and I'm whooping his ass lovingly. And by the way, I got a riding crop, beat my own ass. I mean, you know, get up, get on your feet, fight. Because we're right at the heart of the battle right now. So all of us need to be digging our spurs into ourselves. All of us need to be getting a riding crop out, man, you know, that'll wake your ass up. Take A riding crop and slap yourself hard on the thigh. Know what a horse feels? I mean, you know, open the skin.

[Jordan]

What are we doing here?

[Dan]

I'm not a masochist, but at this point, I am. I mean, it's like Roy Batty's dying at the end of Blade Runner. I need to feel something juiced up through adrenaline. So he's driving nails into his hands just so he can finish the fight. I mean, I'm there, man. I'm, like, pulling nails out here and, like, get that son of a bitch going here. All right, this is do or die time, folks. Get your game faces on. Get serious.

[Alex]

Remember last episode, he was talking about jumping out a window. This guy's in a good place. Good place.

[Jordan]

I mean, listen, I was. I was even willing to go along with it, you know, all the way up to, like, you know, I've. I've given myself a nice slap on the face. You know, you give yourself a splash of cold water into the face. You, ah. You get the senses sharp and that kind.

[Alex]

Wake up.

[Jordan]

So I can get. I can get on board with a little ropping. Riding crop slap. And then he's like, break the skin. I'm like, what are we doing here?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What's happening now?

[Dan]

Feel the blood.

[Jordan]

There is no need for that part. What do you want, blood? What's happening?

[Alex]

It's a color of passion.

[Jordan]

No, no, just. You just splash some cold water. You don't even bleed.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah. A couple corrections. He had not taken Trump to the woodshed. That's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And then the second thing, it's not so much a correction, but it's like, okay, if he's the one who's digging the spurs into Trump. Yeah. Who's digging the spurs into Alex?

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex]

That's Roger.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

I would have to be.

[Alex]

I mean, who's giving him the weapon? It's not God. Once you start with God doesn't do that.

[Jordan]

This person's a puppet. We've seen how that goes. Right, right.

[Alex]

But, like, God is about free will.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

So God's never gonna whip you with a riding crop to be like, get it.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Get it.

[Alex]

Get it done. Get it done. Well, I mean, to be a devil or like a Roger, I guess if.

[Jordan]

I guess the closest we've seen God come to riding crop behavior is whenever he gave Alex several hundred dreams and Gene Hackman still died. So you clearly can't write and crop Alex.

[Alex]

But none of that was writing. That didn't break the skin.

[Jordan]

No, that's true. That didn't Break the skin. That was mainly just a nagging. That was mainly just nagging.

[Alex]

Yeah. Listen, if you don't clean your room, it's not nagging for someone to be like, you got to clean your room, you got to do it.

[Jordan]

It's not, it's not nagging, it's a reminding.

[Alex]

You took on this mission of keeping your room clean.

[Jordan]

I'm not, I'm not killing Gene Hackman right now.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's the problem.

[Jordan]

That is the. Maybe the. I mean, it's too late now.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yeah. So it's interesting that you bring this up of God telling Alex things because the night before this he was visited by, by the Lord.

[Dan]

Last night it happened again. Got my cell phone turned off. I stuck it in the drawer.

[Jordan]

Don't do.

[Dan]

That's the bed stand.

[Jordan]

Don't do it.

[Dan]

And I wake up and do it. God's tapped me on the shoulder. Oh God.

[Alex]

Hey, Alex.

[Dan]

And I said, turn my cell phone on, right? You're going to show me your reel again, right?

[Jordan]

Alex, this isn't fun anymore.

[Dan]

Get it and turn it on. And I say out loud, 2:47. Hell phone boots. Which means God told me that he probably.246 boots.247. That's probably happened thousands of times in my life. Maybe a thousand, I don't know, Over and over again. That's God's way, I guess.

[Jordan]

Is it?

[Dan]

But that's.

[Alex]

Is that it?

[Dan]

You've seen me do it?

[Jordan]

Is that God's way? That's it. That's the whole thing.

[Dan]

Things, exact minutes, times. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's amazing. And that's just God's way, I guess, of talking to me, you know, Today is the one year anniversary of the fake auction they had last year.

[Alex]

Go have a drink.

[Jordan]

Oh my God.

[Alex]

So what's the point? Like, what did God want to convey to Alex through time predictions? Isn't the point supposed to be that the time trick is to get Alex's attention, then God tells him to stop drinking or whatever? The time trick isn't the important part. It's the message God is conveying afterwards. And Alex seems to be bit vague on what those messages are. We certainly hear about this clock shit over and over and over again though. Which you're right, it's not fun anymore. This is pretty fucking stupid. Even if I'm God, I'm getting annoyed.

[Jordan]

I was just thinking earlier today, I was like, man, hell seems like a waste of energy. You've Got so much energy and effort, forever to punish some dead guys who can't even bother you anymore. They've got to get bored. But clearly they don't get bored, right? So there's no way for a demon to get bored with fucking with Alex like this. Like he's bringing his friends every morning. Like, check this out. I swear to God, he does it every fucking time. He's gonna do this.

[Alex]

If we presume that it's a demon doing this, as opposed to Alex looking at clocks and choosing to forget all the times he's wrong about what time he thinks it is.

[Jordan]

That does seem reasonable.

[Alex]

Yeah, I think that's more what's going on.

[Jordan]

It seems reasonable for you to say that, but I'm gonna go with demon.

[Alex]

Okay. All right, so, look, I'm no theologian, but I believe that based around my understanding of God from the Bible, he wouldn't just be desperately chasing Alex around, trying to impress him with CL tricks. God gave Alex hundreds of dreams about Gene Hackman in the year before his death, and Alex ignored them. If you have the balls to call yourself a prophet and try to make money off this status you think God's afforded you by speaking to you, you don't get to pick and choose what visions you accept. If you just decide that you get to ignore some prophecy and go with the stuff you like, then you're using God. And if he exists, you're probably going to hell. Submission to God requires that you accept things that are personally disadvantageous, like recognizing that it would look crazy to randomly go to Gene Hackman's house because you think God told you to. That looks crazy to normal people because we know that God doesn't just give us missions. But if Alex is the person that he pretends to be and profits off making people believe he is, then he should have gone to Hackman's house after, like, Dream Four. This is not that complicated. He thinks he has visions. It's not weird for him. It would be weird for you.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it would be weird for me.

[Alex]

It would be weird for me. It would be very weird for him. He's had a thousand instances where God told him what time it was in the middle of the night.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking, you know, I'm thinking about Jupiter, right? So. Jupiter. Real big. Made out of gas and stuff. There's a storm on the planet that's bigger than Earth, or maybe something like that. That might be true, might not be true, but there's a really big storm, right? There's all of this shit, and it's so far away and it's so big. And this God had to have created that too, right? So he's got this giant gas giant, and he's got a storm that goes on for eternity. And you can see from space, but also. It's 247, buddy. 247.

[Alex]

It's 247 and you're late to terraform. That big gas storm.

[Jordan]

What are we doing here?

[Alex]

Get out to space and turn it.

[Jordan]

GRE needs to get his shit together. Priorities, man. Who make a better planet somewhere.

[Alex]

Unless. Unless.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

There is something really, really, really, really important that Alex is supposed to be doing that he's not doing. Like, if God is really.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Shaking him around in the middle of the night.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

It's not because he wants him to continue to do a dumb radio show.

[Dan]

Yeah. Right.

[Alex]

There's gotta be something bigger. I mean, he's got to, like, overthrow the power of the world. He's got to, like, perform miracles in front of Congress or something.

[Jordan]

Okay, so you've got, You've got Noah, right? And he's. He's all like, I'm not gonna build this shit. And then you, you know, you throw him away, you punish him. You do all this stuff. Right? Right. This is a lot like Alex. But the goal at the end of Noah was everybody needs to continue living eventually. And Alex's goal is not even close to that. At best, it's saved Gene Hackman's life and that's already over.

[Alex]

Yeah, he missed that one.

[Jordan]

So can you imagine a God or.

[Alex]

Conversely, we don't know if he was supposed to go and kill Gene Hackman.

[Jordan]

That's also possible.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Can you imagine a God who's created free will and all this stuff? Several hundreds of thousands of years of humanity and all this stuff and then is like, man, for the first time ever, really regretting that shit. I could just take this guy over in a heartbeat. I possessed people before.

[Alex]

I'm really questioning my own infallibility. I mean, this guy is a real fuck up.

[Jordan]

I could start over. Like, it's not too late.

[Alex]

You know what I think is also kind of funny?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Alex has the, you know, like in the middle of the night, God tells him what time it is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And you think about these other figures from the Bible.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

You know, like a Noah. Sure. And I just imagine Alex being like, you know what? I got to build an ark. And then all of his shithead friends being like, elon's already doing a better version. Do you Think you can make a better rocket than this? What are you doing? You're making a boat.

[Jordan]

I bet I will say this for the next catastrophe. I have a strong sense that a boat's gonna be more useful than a rocket boat will.

[Alex]

Yeah, you should have a boat.

[Jordan]

I would bet on boat over rocket. Next. Next catastrophe around.

[Alex]

So, Alex, one of the things that he spent some time on. On this episode is Woody Harrelson.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

He's talked some shit.

[Elijah Schaefer]

What's.

[Jordan]

What's going on with Woody? Woody's all right, right?

[Alex]

He's not all right.

[Jordan]

He's not all right.

[Alex]

First of all, his dad killed jfk.

[Jordan]

Well, that is true.

[Alex]

Second, that is true.

[Jordan]

I forgot about that. I forgot about that part. That is true.

[Alex]

He's been talking some shit in interviews about maybe how he would poison Trump. And Alex is not thrilled with this.

[Jordan]

He used to dream about being a Secret Service agent. But then that passed when I realized the character that I liked on television was actually an actor playing Secret Service. But luckily, I didn't become a Secret Service agent. I'd be having to protect Donald Trump right now, and that just wouldn't sit well.

[Dan]

You would have a very big job right now to do.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'd be wanting to slip him some cyanide instead of jumping in front of a bullet. I shouldn't say these things.

[Dan]

You should not be saying.

[Jordan]

Okay, I guess. Well, there's.

[Dan]

No. Not when your dad's a famous CIA top assassin. Probably. Probably don't want to be saying that stuff, Woody. Not good.

[Jordan]

Because they might recruit him.

[Dan]

Again, not good at all. Charles Harrelson. And I've interviewed more people than anybody. Interviewed three of the people that were there with Charles Harrelson.

[Alex]

Huh?

[Dan]

And I'm told that big subrutter film, that's. That Harrelson's one got that shot. None of them were exactly sure because they. They shot him full of holes. Just three bullets at him. Whole bunch triangulation. That's the key. So I think when old Woody makes comments like that, that's not good. Woody?

[Jordan]

Why?

[Dan]

He's Woody Harrelson, the top racehorse of killing people. Well, we know, you know, that stuff passes on. You kind of got to.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Dan]

Makes you really believable as a tough guy in the movies that you need to. Need to dial that back, sonny boy. Dial it back. And I like Woody.

[Jordan]

What is happening?

[Dan]

But trying to win points for the Democrats and the liberals talking about killing Trump. Not a good thing, Woody.

[Alex]

Not good. Woody Murders genetic.

[Jordan]

What is this?

[Alex]

I Don't know. So there's no evidence that Woody Harrelson's dad was involved with the CIA or the JF assassination.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

He was a mob assassin, though. For sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And he died in jail serving a sentence for killing a judge. So Alex does have a lot of clay to work with.

[Jordan]

Sure. No, no, no, no.

[Elijah Schaefer]

That.

[Jordan]

That. I mean, the. I have a hard time with. Hey, if your dad's a mob assassin, you're probably great at killing people. That's. That's intense.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah. Now you have. You have a button someone can press somewhere that'll turn you into Jason Bourne.

[Jordan]

As opposed to just being, like, a pretty great actor.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

He'. So Woody Harrelson's a figure in Hollywood who has politics that are close to what Alex wants to pretend his are. So I think Alex tends to treat him a little softer than he would anybody else. It's just weird for him to be sitting on the show and having this response to a celebrity saying that he wanted to kill Trump when he's routinely lost his shit, screaming about folks like Robert De Niro saying that he just wants to punch him.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

What I'm saying is that this is all a game. And Alex likes Woody Harrelson. Yep. And so he's. I like you, Woody.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Dial it in.

[Jordan]

I mean, I feel like, what. How many years ago now did Kathy. Kathy Griffin hold a headless Trump?

[Alex]

That was around the election.

[Jordan]

Yeah, we're.

[Alex]

We're.

[Jordan]

I mean, hey, come on, buddy.

[Alex]

Mm.

[Jordan]

They can't be.

[Alex]

They called, like, jihad on her.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Right. Like, what are we. What are we doing here? Everybody went fucking apeshit.

[Alex]

Yeah. I remember, like, Alex was, like, trying to sell Kathy Griffin is ISIS shirts.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And stuff like that.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Crazy, man.

[Jordan]

I love. I love that. That stuff, in retrospect, still does. Like, people are still like, well, that's. You know, she's gone a little too far. And here we are. What are you gonna do?

[Alex]

So a lot of this show, obviously, immigrant bashing and racism and what have you, but we don't need to dwell in all of the instances of. Of that because we have a guest.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Who comes in. This guy named Elijah Schaefer.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex]

He sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that sounds right.

[Alex]

He used to work for the Blaze, but he got fired for sexually assaulting a co Worker boy. And so he has his own show called Slightly Offensive.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't name my show that if I was a.

[Alex]

Well, it's kind of like a comedian naming a special canceled. It's like, it's let people know you're cool.

[Jordan]

I guess. I guess slightly offensive is not cool. That's the least cool thing you could be. I'm a little bit.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

That's. That's the coolest thing you've got.

[Alex]

I'm a little. So he is getting sued. Sure. By Kash Patel's girlfriend.

[Jordan]

So he's extremely offensive.

[Alex]

Yeah. He has offended her sensibilities for.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Yes.

[Alex]

So here's the situation. Someone else posted something about leaders being, like, having handlers and, like, there's too many people who are under control.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. We're getting back to Israel sooner or later. Yes.

[Alex]

And so he. Elijah Schaefer, posted a picture of Kash Patel and his girlfriend under this tweet. So he responded to this tweet about people being controlled.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Alex]

Within the administration.

[Jordan]

Kash Patel, his Israeli girlfriend.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex]

Which is. She has already sued Kyle Seraphin. Right. Another of Alex's friends. For more explicit claims.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

That she is an Israeli honeypot.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

Agent. And that he's. He's being handled by her.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

And so she decided to sue him for this tweet. And my take on it is generally, like, she should sue him for that. Probably. But he 100% meant it to be something that is defamatory and deserves to get you sued.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Alex]

The only reason I say maybe she shouldn't have sued him is because, like, is it worth your time?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

Is it something that really you can follow through? And there's an argument to be made that she doesn't have the same protections that a lot of people would as a private citizen. Because she's a musician.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

On top of already being, you know, Cash Patel's girlfriend.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

So she is more of arguably a public figure. I don't know. I think it's a mess. Everyone's wrong.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

But it's the case. It's what happens when you have, like, dipshits being elevated into media roles, no professionalism anywhere, and other types of dipshits running the government.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

You end up with this kind of drama circle nonsense. Yeah, yeah. And everyone's just trying to make some money off it.

[Jordan]

Boy, that is the epitaph of America. Everybody was just trying to make some money. Bad.

[Alex]

So Elijah Schaefer comes on, and I think that one of the things that he really has to do is play dumb about what he did. Right. Like, obviously what he was doing was saying, this is a person who is controlling by the person in this picture. It's fucking obvious.

[Jordan]

If we were both, to be honest, about this situation. The facts of the case have already been decided against me. I was defaming her.

[Alex]

Right. Or at very least there are no real plausible arguments for what else you were trying to say with this post.

[Jordan]

Right. So I only need to make a. Just good enough argument to keep me out of trouble. Yeah, I have no interest in making an actual argument.

[Alex]

And I think it's embarrassing for him just based on like, like, you know, what's obvious.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

But it's also embarrassing for Alex.

[Dan]

Start over. I mean, this is insane.

[Jordan]

Insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. You never said anything bad about us, but because you criticize Israel, we're going to destroy you. I mean, this is bonker town. I bet Netanyahu's people wrote this. Go ahead. Sorry.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Well, look at this. Look at this. Defendant Elijah D. Schaefer has perpetrated a malicious lie about Alexis Wilkins falsely claiming that she is an American born country singer, is a foreign agent of the government to manipulate and compromise director of the FBI. So they say the lawsuit starts in its first sentence, says I said something, and then it goes down and it says he actually didn't say anything. This is legitimately what it. What it says he did not say anything. It said he replied with a wordless reply, with no caption, with no statement, with no words. However, we know what he was thinking. That's where. This is crazy. We know what he was thinking. Was thinking when he posted a picture of Cash Patel and his.

[Dan]

And by the way, look at, this is a great photo. He looks great. She looks great. This, this is what. You posted this on top of someone else's post? This is $5 million. My point is that they look great. I mean, what the hell's going on here?

[Elijah Schaefer]

Well, that's. This, this is what I'm trying to tell people. Look, you'll and you'll see the folks already.

[Dan]

Hold on, hold on. You're being sued for $5 million for that?

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Dan]

All you did was post on somebody else's post that maybe you shouldn't be.

[Alex]

Sued for that, but you shouldn't be playing this kind of fucking dumb either.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

The reason that we end up in a position where like nobody knows what anything means anymore is because covering your ass when you have posted something like this to avoid paying someone. Yeah. For defaming them with accusations. You have to play this kind of stupid. Oh, you don't know what I was thinking? Maybe I just wanted to post a picture of Cash Patel and his girlfriend looking beautiful together.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex]

It's fucking embarrassing. Say what you mean right what you say, right?

[Jordan]

I think that's. I think it's this kind of shit right here that is the inspiration for that. Know that somewhere an adult should be coming, that kind of thing. Because this is the type of shit where you should just.

[Alex]

Someone should slap Elijah and be like, fucking stop it.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex]

Stop lying. Just say what you want. Do you want to speculate and talk about how you think she's possibly an Israeli honeypaw? Then do it.

[Jordan]

Then do it. Yep. Yeah, it is. It is. Like, we are all in elementary school, and there should be.

[Alex]

We.

[Jordan]

When we were in elementary school, everybody inherently trusted the teacher. Whenever the teacher would hear this shit and go, get the fuck out of here. Get back into your fucking desk. And everybody would go, yep, totally. You shouldn't be able to do that.

[Alex]

Go to him.

[Dan]

Out.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. And now we just don't have anybody who we can trust to do that. And what you were supposed do to what you would suggest to trust like, a judge, his job is essentially that. Is that you go there and that's the one place where you're like, we all know this guy said something defamatory. How is it possible you disagree with us?

[Alex]

Well, I think that it is arguable. I could see a very responsible judge thinking that this doesn't rise to the level of a lawsuit.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Right. Like.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

You'd have to be pretty fucking stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

To not understand what he means by.

[Jordan]

You would have to be insane.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And the fact that he wants the people he follows or who follow him. Excuse me. To, like, accept that as an excuse. Yeah. Means that, like, you don't have a whole lot of respect for the people that you're talking to.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, brutal.

[Alex]

I think. I just think that, you know, it's. It's childish shit, this. Like, you don't know what I'm thinking. Yeah. Like, that kind. Like, you're supposed to be a conveyor of information. You're supposed to be somebody who's, you know, putting out news and analysis and all this stuff, and you're trying to hide behind the mysteriousness of whatever your language could possibly mean. And. And it's just.

[Jordan]

You can't know what's in another person's heart.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Oh, my. Yes, I can. Whenever you tweet shit.

[Alex]

Well, then, by all means, tell me what's in your heart. What's the other explanation for this?

[Jordan]

Oh, boo. That the burden of proof is on the stage.

[Alex]

Sure. So Alex obviously can't have a conversation with somebody who's in this position.

[Jordan]

Right. Without it being like, it's entirely about Alex.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Elijah Schaefer]

It was an image that I posted without any words. They extracted all of these statements. He said this. It's not even just that he implied. It's like. He said that she is an agent. He said that she is working for Mossad. He said that she's manipulating and controlling her boyfriend. And there's. They extract, like, a dozen or more statements from that picture that were never stated. I am being sued for something I never said. Now you can get sued.

[Dan]

You're being sued for what they said you said.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Correct. That's. This is nuts. Like, do you know how crazy this is, Alex?

[Dan]

I've never been to Connecticut. And they claim I sent people to pee on graves. And then we asked them on the stand. No one peed on graves.

[Alex]

That's amazing. So, yeah, it is about. It is kind of about you. Yeah. I don't know.

[Jordan]

I like the game. You know what? Let me put it this way, right? I like the game. I like the lion game. I like the trying to get away with shit game. I like the doing something that's against the rules and seeing if I can't jump the General Lee over it kind of game. That's fun. But if you get caught, you accept that you lost the game, you move on. You know? You know what I'm saying? You don't give me this, like. Well, you don't know. You know, like, fuck you. You got caught. Accept the game, the game works.

[Alex]

Move on. Mm. Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's brutal.

[Alex]

It's not impressive if you're jumping the General Lee in a video game with, like, moon physics and then you don't have.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you got. There's gonna be stakes sometimes you lose.

[Alex]

Yeah. You fucked up.

[Jordan]

You fucked up.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Suck it up. Eat it like a man, and move on with your fucking life.

[Alex]

So here's the problem that I have. I'm not interested.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Alex]

I'm not really interested in this guy's lawsuit at all.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex]

I think it's incredibly dumb to pretend that he meant anything other than what he's being alleged to have said.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

But maybe she doesn't really need to be suing him. Maybe as a public official, these are the kinds of things you just have to be like, fuck it. Whatever. Let these shitheads talk their shit. You know what? I'm not sure. I don't know. I don't care. It doesn't. It doesn't really affect me.

[Jordan]

I think this is where we need a Solomon to just be like, hey, neither you can be online for six months. Fuck you. Yeah, I don't even give a shit about what either of you are saying. Get offline for six months and go outside.

[Alex]

She's fucking dating Keshe Patel, so that sucks. Yeah, I don't think that she can be that great.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

This guy's Elijah Schaefer and he sucks, so.

[Jordan]

He sucks.

[Alex]

So whatever.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Now what I am interested in is Elijah Schaefer continuing to talk because I think he reveals that he really fucking hates Indians.

[Elijah Schaefer]

I have been very critical and I've had some very viral posts very recently in the last three months against Cash. One, I stated, you cannot trust Indians because they have a deceptive and a dishonest culture. And that's not racist. That's true. Indian what are very spiteful and petty. They very similar to Jewish culture. They just don't have.

[Jordan]

Wait, what is happening?

[Elijah Schaefer]

Business acumen. And that's why.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Love Israelis. They love, you know, Jews because they're like sort of a brown or like a different colored version of. Of the same kind of culture. More of like a caste system of superiority. Now, obviously not all Jews think like that. Obviously not all Indians think like that. I don't mean all Indians are the same. But I have an African friend who told me that the hardest part about what is happening, you know, assimilating into the US was the fact that, you know, in Africa they tell you to lie.

[Alex]

Now, keep in mind, this is not racist. He said it's not. So it's not. Yeah. The hardest part about assimilating into the United States is that other cultures tell you you should lie too.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex]

Says a liar on a lie.

[Jordan]

It's crazy how the black person I know tells me that all black people lie to me.

[Alex]

It's their culture.

[Jordan]

It's their culture.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Wow, that is a barrage of racism.

[Alex]

Yeah. Even for this show. I thought that was pretty surprising.

[Jordan]

That is.

[Alex]

It's unguarded.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. You can't just say, and that's not racist. No, at the very. I mean, man back, you know, I'm not a racist, but would be awful. I didn't even know you could just say, that's also not racist after you have said something.

[Alex]

That is deeply, deeply racist.

[Jordan]

All Indians are bad. That's not racist.

[Alex]

No, no. You can't trust Indians because they're sneaky.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

This isn't racist.

[Jordan]

That's not race. You can't just. You can't just declare that. Right. This is. That's not. Okay. No.

[Alex]

But I Thought it was. I thought it was interesting as, as a person. Because as a person on his show, on Alex's show. Because I think even like a Nick Fuentes is a little more careful or when he's saying shit that's this racist, he tries to be funny.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, this isn't funny.

[Jordan]

No. This is just all Indians are distrust. I mean. Yeah. It's crazy.

[Alex]

And here's my sociological and scientific reason why it's cool for me to have this prejudice.

[Jordan]

You know, it is, it is. Like sometimes you just. You're just not connected into the racism world. So you don't even know what kind of racism is out there.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. You're like, I'm not even in the regular races. The popular racism of like, you know, just American racism, black people are bad or whatever. There's. There's like fucking bespoke racisms out there that I haven't even considered being racist about.

[Alex]

Yeah. And I think that's. That's something that I was experiencing while I was listening to this episode because the. That Alex is not really that into this. And it made me realize that he doesn't hate Indians that much. Like, I.

[Jordan]

There's not enough hours of the day for all this hate, man.

[Alex]

You know, he is a white identity guy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

But there's definitely, like, lower priority hate for him. And I think, like, Indian folk, Asian people generally are on the low rungs of, like, who he's worried about.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, I suppose that that does reinforce that whole familiarity breeds contempt kind of thing. You know, like what he's. What he is racist about is his area in specific. You know, it's geographic in a. In a very distinct way.

[Alex]

Yeah. In his life, he is probably more prone to run into black people and Hispanic people. Yep. And therefore those are the larger.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And then I guess so much of the media around the last 20 years has been like, deeply Islamophobic.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

And so, you know, a target on Muslims is. He's susceptible to that. So. Yeah. You know, maybe he. Maybe he doesn't really care about Asian and Indian people because he doesn't know that many or see them.

[Jordan]

I mean, folks around. I feel like. And maybe I'm wrong about this, but I feel like it takes a lot of effort to be really racist and there's a lot of people out there.

[Alex]

It's true.

[Jordan]

And a lot of different cultures and traditions. So, like, you just don't have the strength to be racist to everybody all the time.

[Alex]

Yeah, that's true. And that's why Elijah is here holding up the.

[Jordan]

Thank God for him.

[Alex]

You know, like, we don't have time for the Indian bash.

[Jordan]

I didn't even know they'd be there.

[Alex]

Yeah, so he's got to represent.

[Jordan]

Thanks, buddy.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Now, I want to remind you that somebody else who got mad, Vivek Ramaswamy. The H1B, honey. Any queen.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Elijah Schaefer]

I've sort of been one of the key figures that embarrassed him over his post about increasing H1BS. When I went to go approach him at the RNC, his. His security physically grabbed me and threw me to the floor. So they assaulted me without provocation. And he seemed to be happy about it and wouldn't take my questions. I kept asking him and he ignored them. And there seems to be this really weird thing that I bring up of, like, Indians getting into power into, you know, I. Whether it's like IBM or Dell or anywhere, and then they fire all of the. They fire all of the individuals who are individuals. It's just a very, very, very strange situation.

[Dan]

And so I don't know. But just back to the suit, because.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Well, I know.

[Dan]

And now we're gonna sue you into oblivion.

[Elijah Schaefer]

But. No, but this is important because I'm saying he was mad about this. This went viral, and I saw his proxies getting mad, and there was this whole thing between him and Vivek. I'm bringing this to the level.

[Dan]

Proxy suit. I totally agree with you.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Well, yeah, yeah, but I'm saying. I'm saying I'm bringing up all the proxy issues. So him and Vivek were mad about my opinions on Indians. Right? So this is like. Like, I am bringing this here, Alex. So just listen, I'm telling you, just.

[Alex]

This is happening, Alex.

[Jordan]

I'm going to say a lot of mean things about India, a nation of so many fucking distinct people. I'm going to say something bad about a billion people, most of whom cannot communicate with each other because there are so many fucking languages. I am going to say something broad strokes, about one seventh of the world.

[Alex]

Can't trust them, can't trust him. I think there's such a fun interplay in that clip of like. Like, you know, Elijah being like, I want to talk about how I'm being attacked by the Indians. And Alex being like, look, I'm fine. If you want to do some racist stuff, that's great, but let's. Let's stay on this lawsuit here. And him. Elijah's being like, no, no, no, no, no. It is very important that I bring it all into Focus.

[Jordan]

That India wants me dead, I imagine, right. That there. There has to be. There has to be somebody out there for. For these people forever. We're like, there's got to be some white guy in the middle of fucking Nebraska right now who just really hates everybody from Kazakhstan who's just like, I hate the Kazakhs or whatever, you know, Borat.

[Alex]

And thought it was real.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Just like. And then they're like, one day, some Kazakh immigrant will do something wrong, and then, bam, it's my time to shine. I'm the racist guy for infowars today. Right? Like, that's, like. That's what this feels like.

[Alex]

Well, I mean, Elijah Schaefer is a. He's a guy who's around like he exists. Like, he's. He's not here because Alex needed to call a racist.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure. No, I understand.

[Alex]

He got sued by Kash Patel's girlfriend, and Alex wants to talk about his own plight. And unfortunately, in doing so, he has welcomed a guy who seems to really be mad at Indians into the.

[Jordan]

What a whiff. Let's. Let's just kind of talk shit about our continuing lawsuits. Uh, no, no, no. I'm gonna hate Indian people at you for a while.

[Alex]

Yeah. And the reason that I'm having this lawsuit come at me isn't because of, like, an attack on free speech or any of that. It's because I'm. I'm too critical of Indians.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Great. Great. So Alex, I think, you know, like, we've seen this a bunch. Whenever, like, Fuentes will come in, Alex will want to try and coach him.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Right.

[Alex]

To be like, come on.

[Jordan]

Right. Don't say the jq. We can. We can say these things without saying them.

[Alex]

Yeah. And so I think he wants to try and get Elijah to calm down on how overtly racist this is.

[Jordan]

Incredibly racist.

[Dan]

He's using her to come at you, which. Which just shows why is he spending his time on this? And. And it. It just. It. It's. It's a big problem, and I'm. I'm really concerned about it.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah. No, but this is. What I'm saying is that. Is that this is like. Yeah, I wasn't trying to turn a sidetrack. I'm saying this was a very sensitive, separate topic that I had embarrassed.

[Dan]

Conclusion that it's just all about don't criticize Cash Patel. I get it.

[Alex]

Correct.

[Elijah Schaefer]

But. But I think Vivek might be connected to it too, because Vivek was mad about this. Cash was mad about this. And obviously, I do say some Inflammatory things.

[Alex]

Things.

[Elijah Schaefer]

But then it's like, now we can't criticize, like, now we have to accept Indians in our country and we can't criticize the public figures that are responsible. And then also I'm bringing this up because it's a very, like, Indian thing to do to, like, manipulate the system, to. To discredit and destroy people you think are less than you or are lower than you. And I do genuinely feel like there's a lot of aspects to this where it looks like it's Cash Patel.

[Dan]

Sure. I mean, I would say it's a very human thing to do. Oh, wow, wow, wow.

[Jordan]

Listen, buddy, we're not fitting you for a clan hood today.

[Alex]

What is happening when Alex has to respond? I think it's a very human thing to do. You know, you have gone a little.

[Jordan]

Bit far past the line too racist for me. The guy who's afraid of children wearing burkas in a pool supply store.

[Alex]

Yeah. I think that there's an element of it that is like, it's unsophisticated racism.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Sure.

[Alex]

It's. It's way too overt.

[Dan]

Oh, man.

[Alex]

It's not funny.

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex]

And it's just kind of stupid. And I think that, I think that Elijah also sounds stupid.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex]

And I think that those are way. Those are. Whether or not Alex would go along with. That's a very Indian thing to do. Like that kind of talk. Whether or not he would.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

The boundaries, the hurdles to it are those things, like, if it were funny, Alex would play along.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

If the, you know, Elijah came off way smarter. Like he knew his shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Alex would probably be like, all right, whatever.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Or if Elijah was a hotter commodity in the right wing media. Like, he's a bit player and so he's not going to be able to pull this shit.

[Jordan]

He's not an entertaining enough racist.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, there's. There's plenty of ways to. I mean, it is, it is almost.

[Alex]

A big life out of you.

[Jordan]

Well, it is very funny, but only in the sense of, like, how stark and, and dry it is that you, you can't even like, boof. Wow. You're just raw dogging it right out the gate. Goddamn.

[Alex]

Yeah. I think, I think what's almost like so funny about it is how, like, this is not dissimilar from what you would see in educational context of like, talking about the civil rights era.

[Jordan]

100%.

[Alex]

How racist.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Alex]

People were, like, how free that kind of speech was. Yeah. Then it's like, well, we have just Regressed.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's. It is. It is something that you can never communicate properly to racists.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But it, like everything that he is saying, I understand he believes that to be true in the moment. But I could take those words and remove Indian and put Irish in or remove Irish and put black in or remove. Exactly. Like you could say that at any different period in America's history about any. That. That's a very Catholic thing to do is what's available. That's very broadest thing. There is every possibility to use the exact same language in the exact same way about whatever group you want to say.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yep, yep, yep, yep. And it's sad and to a level that is pretty funny.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So, anyway, Elijah Schaefer has some other thoughts.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Not just about Indians. He also believes that the Trump administration has been compromised.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex]

And that they're done.

[Jordan]

I believe that.

[Alex]

And Alex is like, well, hold on now.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Elijah Schaefer]

And as a Trump supporter my entire life, it is hard for me to say the Trump administration is compromised. I repeat, this is not a drill to the American people.

[Alex]

Thank you.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Repeat, Trump administration is completely compromised. And now they have turned their guns back on us. And if you are a journalist who.

[Jordan]

Could have seen this coming, then credible.

[Elijah Schaefer]

And has helped the Trump administration in. But we're being honest with the public now that whatever money this was or whatever blackmail there may be on him, or even not even that the Epstein is blackmail. Maybe it's just embarrassed his friends or incriminated the wrong people and they threatened to kill him. I don't know who could have seen this. We cannot trust this administration. They have turned on us. Just like Biden did when he said the biggest threat is from within. We need to be aware that, you know all.

[Dan]

The. But the direction is starting to go. We got to put major pressure on them for course.

[Alex]

Correct.

[Dan]

Correct. A lot of Kennedys in there.

[Elijah Schaefer]

I don't know. I. I mean, listen, I know you want to agree. I'm saying it has been compromised. I'm saying, look, the. I don't know what else, people.

[Jordan]

You're not getting an invite back. You're not coming back.

[Dan]

Hold over. Can you do some more time with us?

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fine.

[Dan]

I want to come back and talk about can it be fixed? Because I agree, it's gone off the rails.

[Alex]

Can it be fixed? The complete capitulation and compromising of the administration. Can it be fixed? I think that Alex is going to run into more and more people who aren't going to play along. In the way that Elijah didn't there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

It almost sounded like he wanted to say, come on, man. Yeah, what are you talking about?

[Jordan]

But what are we going to do?

[Alex]

He literally said, what else do people need?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

What else do you need to see to give up on this shit?

[Jordan]

I've asked myself that question plenty of times.

[Alex]

Yeah. So we had a little bit more of Schaefer after the break.

[Jordan]

How is it possible that this guy is still going?

[Alex]

Well, because Alex wants not to end on this kind of a note.

[Jordan]

Right, Right.

[Alex]

Wants to talk about some other stuff.

[Jordan]

I understand your criticisms now. Make it okay for me to ignore them completely and still support Trump.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, maybe we should talk about whether or not Kash Patel can do a pull up.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Even the lawsuit says I never said anything about her. Do you know who I have said things that are. That are critical of? Do you know? I have Cash Patel. I've been very critical of Cash Patel. Very critical.

[Dan]

So he's hiding behind her.

[Elijah Schaefer]

It doesn't look like it. I would say this. He is hiding behind her.

[Jordan]

It's a very the Blaze thing to.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Do for me to overstep and to assume that. Well, this is a lawsuit of assumptions, Alex. So there's. There's. Without a shadow of a doubt. Like I mentioned earlier, he was mad about the comments about him being indie. He was mad about the comments about Valhalla. He was mad I had another viral tweet about him, you know, swearing by a demon, the Bagravita. And he's mad about the cultural and the job. This man is an embarrassment. He can't even do a pull up. I don't know if you saw that video he released where he's trying to kip and he can't get his body up. We have an FBI director who's struggling to pull his own body weight above a straight bar. And that's a. That's a symbol for what's happening here. What. What happens in corrupt regimes is, is when they fail, they don't just fail. They try to take down everyone who points it out. Because why? Well, let's point it out.

[Dan]

Not to be mean, but what happened? Cash Patel can't do pull up. Let's do. Mondami needs two guys with 145 pounds.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Let me see. Where is that?

[Dan]

See, they should a whole bunch of pull ups. He's in good shape. Ellie's got a 1776 flag. He's not bench pressing 500 like you, so it's okay. Okay.

[Elijah Schaefer]

This. This is Cash, right?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah, that's what I say. Wait, did you see. Do you see the pull ups? Did we play them already?

[Dan]

Do the pull ups again.

[Jordan]

Yeah, do the, do the pull ups again.

[Dan]

The pull ups.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Just want to say, watch this. This is crazy. I'm not trying to. I'm. I'm not dogging on. On somebody's, you know, I'm not a dog. On other men, man, we all struggle. It's like, what are we doing? The thing is, is. Is like, you know, I'm wearing my Rift TV T shirt. You know, like he looked.

[Jordan]

No there.

[Elijah Schaefer]

I, I don't like, that's like, I don't know what's going on here. Like.

[Dan]

No, I get it. You're saying they're not full pull ups.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Well, yeah, they're not full pull ups, but, you know, it's like I'm sitting here, I'm shredding right now. You know me. What you and I, for some reason, don't need anyone to tell us.

[Dan]

I will say this about it. I'll just say this. They're not even beginning. They're not even beginning pull ups. So my point is, and I was fine when I was 20, could do 100 straight. Everybody be cheering in the gym like full bread. The point is now I can do if I have to. I do 20 in a row. It almost kills me. But the point is, what is that If I couldn't do that. Those aren't even half pull ups. I would not put that out.

[Alex]

I can't believe he released a video of himself doing not even half pull ups.

[Jordan]

I, yeah, I like, I love having a good Bhagavad Gita reference.

[Alex]

Swore on a demon, you know, one.

[Jordan]

Of the great holy books Juxtapose next. A motherfucker can't do pull ups.

[Alex]

Can't do pull up.

[Jordan]

Motherfucker can't do pull up. Now you look at me, I'm shredding mother that. Listen, I. We can talk about the Brahmin class all you want, but motherfucker can't do a pull up.

[Alex]

Look at these 24 inch pythons. I mean, indigenous to India.

[Jordan]

To then have this guy be like, listen, neither of us need a reason to take our shirts off. Really undercuts his racism.

[Alex]

Yeah, I mean, it just seems dumb.

[Jordan]

It's insane.

[Alex]

I. I wonder how many pull ups Bernie can do. That fucking old asshole.

[Jordan]

You know what? Fine. Actually, I swear to God, I swear to God, I would put a lot of money on if we chose leaders via pull up contest. There's a better percentage of good leaders compared to the ones that we've had over the past 60 years.

[Alex]

Trump can do so many pull ups. So many. You don't, you don't like. He wears a lot of coats so you don't see his upper body.

[Jordan]

Let's go. Let's relitigate some past presidential elections via pull ups.

[Alex]

I think Obama is winning both of the ones that he ran for sure. I think Hillary probably.

[Jordan]

I say Howard Dean winds up pulling that one out.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Pull up, if you will.

[Alex]

We're also doing primaries by pull up.

[Jordan]

Oh yeah. I guess.

[Alex]

Forget about that.

[Jordan]

Tough.

[Alex]

Yeah. So McCain, Obama.

[Jordan]

Right. Bush, Bush beats. I don't know.

[Alex]

Bush would be Gore.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, Gore is not a pull up guy, but Bush and Kerry are both former military men.

[Alex]

True.

[Jordan]

You know, they've both, they've both put in. So I mean, not Bush obviously, but. And oh, but here's the twist. Yeah.

[Alex]

Lieberman beats Cheney.

[Jordan]

That's the one that does it. That's the one that does. Does it.

[Alex]

Yeah. So you never get close.

[Jordan]

We've got the, the tiebreakers. The vice presidential.

[Alex]

Yeah. Because I think Al Gore and Bush would be pretty closely matched.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

But Janie's fucked.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So then we. So he, so, so he wins 2000.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

2004 never happens the way it does.

[Jordan]

No, no, no.

[Alex]

So then we can't predict any elections by pull ups after that.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. That was the final pull up contest. Contest.

[Alex]

Oh, Clinton beats Dole for sure.

[Jordan]

I mean there is 0% chance Dole.

[Alex]

Wins the one arm pull up.

[Jordan]

Can't even. That is if he wins a pull up contest. He deserves to be president. I would vote the shit out of Bob Dole if he could win a pull up contest.

[Alex]

But I think Bush senior might have beat Clinton, especially around 92. Clinton was way out of shape.

[Jordan]

He was out of shape. That was part of his, his thing is that he was trying to run more to get back into shape. But yeah, he was doing that. But H. H.W. is not in the field guy. H.W. is a desk jockey.

[Alex]

No, but I think, I think it would probably take two or three for him to win the pull up contest.

[Jordan]

That's.

[Alex]

I think he's, I think he's capable.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Alex]

Probably.

[Jordan]

Let's ask, let's ask ourselves this very serious question. What amount of pull ups can Ronald Reagan do every year of his presidency?

[Alex]

I think second election he's in trouble.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Second election is negative four. Like second election. He doesn't know where the bar is.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.

[Jordan]

I don't. I. I mean, this is always going to be a lot more fun than dealing with the fact that the other part of this conversation is a guy being like, that's a very Indian thing to do.

[Alex]

And that Indian can't even do pull ups.

[Jordan]

Right? What. What is happening?

[Alex]

You know who's really good? Goldwater. Goldwater. Goldwater.

[Jordan]

Goldwater would have.

[Elijah Schaefer]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Goldwater would have changed the game.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

So we. One last clip of. Of this dip. Elijah Schaefer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

She's like, how did. How did Cash Patel get a hot girlfriend?

[Elijah Schaefer]

It's. I, you know, I got a beautiful wife. Got very good. Whatever. It's like, it's like, look, I'm shredding. You know, it's like you can. You can see my, My, my abs at the very least, and I got, you know, got striations. And I only bring this up because it's like, I don't even. Like, I. I'll put up some videos every once in a while.

[Dan]

While.

[Elijah Schaefer]

But it's like, look, man, people have questions about you, Cash. You know, you're a short little guy with crazy eyes, no striations, and you're posting videos to overcompensate about you working out. People want to know how you got a girl 20 years younger than you who's hot. And look, I don't comment that girls are hot, that are random people's girlfriends, but she's a public figure. You can say a public figure is hot. Alexis Wilkins is an attractive girl.

[Jordan]

That's not racism.

[Elijah Schaefer]

You know, what. What does she see in him?

[Jordan]

What does she.

[Alex]

Well, you're dealing with something, man. It's not what you think happening.

[Jordan]

Oh, man.

[Dan]

Look, man, I got a wife and I'm shredded. How'd he get a girl so young and hot?

[Jordan]

It is hard to listen to that part of the conversation and not think maybe this guy is transposing some of his feelings in other political areas.

[Alex]

Yeah, it seems. It seems like that could be. That could be a piece of it. And I also think that when you listen to this kind of like, childish, immature about, like, how you get a hot girlfriend.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, you hear that and you're like, oh, that's the same brain that's saying this is an Indian thing to do.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Alex]

They come from the same place, the same stunted development and immaturity. And so I think that's very, very funny.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And I agree with you that I, I would be surprised if Alex really wants to spend that much More time with it. I don't think their. Their vibes match.

[Jordan]

His vibes suck. I don't like hearing him talk somehow more than a lot of other people.

[Alex]

Now that's bad news because it makes me want to do an episode about him to try and give you superpowers.

[Jordan]

I mean, I am. I. There are. There are some things that interest me about this guy. I am interested in a guy who is really into striations.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Anybody who is, like, got a. An opinion on striations and also global international politics, I'm interested in.

[Alex]

And gets really defensive about how, like, yeah, Cash Patel's girlfriend's hot, man. I can say she's hot. What the fuck? I don't say, people, where are we? What is happening that you are doing this School, baby.

[Jordan]

All of this insecurity. This is one of the more insecure people that you could hear. Right.

[Alex]

It's painful.

[Jordan]

And they have. He has absolutely no concept of this. He can't possibly understand what level of insecurity he's operating on.

[Alex]

No. And I would argue that it's probable that he. He thinks he's the opposite.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Oh, for sure. He thinks that Cash Patel must be the insecure one.

[Alex]

That's why. Weak little cuck.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Talking about Valhalla.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Such an Indian thing to do.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Putting up a video of doing poor pull ups is a sign of your insecurity. Whereas me saying that I am shredding and filled with striations and I don't understand why he gets a hot girlfriend is not insecurity. You can see the difference. Right?

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Completely different.

[Alex]

Yeah. What a loser. I'm gonna do. I'm just. I'm spite. I'm gonna do an episode about it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Fuck this guy.

[Alex]

No.

[Jordan]

Fuck you.

[Alex]

I wonder. That's one of the things that I can never really know without peeking.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Is like. Is this just because he's on an interview with Alex that he sounds this fucking stupid?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

What would he do with his own time?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Like, I. The mind reels.

[Jordan]

So I can't imagine somebody wanting to go to him with this level of insecure energy. You know what I mean? Like, I could see him being able to be on his own show and, like, in control of saying stuff, and then he gets invited on to stuff like Infowars where it's revealed that he's a giant insecure loser.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But I can't imagine somebody wanting to be a guest on his show and then them having a conversation where they're not Suddenly, like, you're a giant insecure loser. I got to get out of here.

[Alex]

I kind of would like to go on his show and just be like, you're right.

[Jordan]

You're right, buddy. Are you hurting, buddy?

[Alex]

What's going on?

[Jordan]

Oh, man. There is, there is. There is so much of like the. It's. How to describe the lack of just regular maturity? You know, like, there's no. There's so many conversations about a lack of masculinity or the lack of masculinity than role models or the lack of all of this stuff. But it's just like, why can't we just get a regular baseline for maturity?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Irregardless.

[Alex]

And let me be totally clear. Neither you nor I are super mature.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not.

[Alex]

There is a lot of immaturity in our lives.

[Jordan]

I chose this. I'm a clown, right?

[Alex]

It's not like everyone has to be like stuffy adults and not laugh at farts or whatever the fuck. But it's notable how immature this is.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's fun to be playful and flirty with immature.

[Alex]

Playful immaturity is good immaturity that creates systems where you, like, try to hurt other people.

[Jordan]

Immaturity has no part of system immaturity. Shouldn't be anywhere near systems immaturity. Can't even handle solo, let alone a group.

[Alex]

Yeah. Anyway, I don't know. I think this is a good way to deal with the Epstein emails coming out. And we'll. I guess we'll see how Alex continues to deal with even further revelations. That may be tough.

[Jordan]

You just gotta get a more extreme racist on every, like, oh, man, I forgot about the Epstein emails. Immediately after this guy said some shit.

[Alex]

Stefan Molyneux.

[Jordan]

Whoa.

[Alex]

But I don't think that it was intended. That's the thing. That's the thing that makes it even more funny is like, I don't think that Alex had any idea that. That Schaefer was gonna go off into this. This territory.

[Jordan]

Oh, good.

[Alex]

You. Yeah, and I don't think he was thrilled with it.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely not.

[Alex]

So wild. Anywho, we'll be back with another episode. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight dot com.

[Alex]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you the year. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.