#1097: November 15, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1097: November 15, 2025

Release Date: November 28, 2025
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Theme: Dan and Jordan analyze and deconstruct clips from the November 15, 2024 episode of The Alex Jones Show, focusing on Alex’s handling of the Epstein document news cycle, Trump’s spat with Marjorie Taylor Greene, and the InfoWars ecosystem’s awkward relationship to its own political “heroes.”

Overview

This episode centers on Alex Jones’ struggle to spin or deflect sensitive revelations regarding Jeffrey Epstein, Steve Bannon, Donald Trump, and Marjorie Taylor Greene within the right-wing media ecosystem. Dan and Jordan take Alex to task for his increasingly transparent evasions, self-pity, and refusal to confront the real implications of his heroes' misdeeds, especially as Trump's campaign enters choppier waters concerning Epstein disclosures. The show is shot through with Knowledge Fight's signature irreverence, detours on holiday food, and inside jokes.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Cheesemas and Thanksgiving

• Bright Spots:
  • Dan’s excitement about a cheese advent calendar and crowd-sourcing a jingle for it (01:13–03:18).
  • Jordan’s Thanksgiving with family, preference for basic side dishes (mashed potatoes, corn), and playful suggestion he celebrates "Columbo Day" instead of Columbus Day (03:28–04:28).

2. Epstein Docs, Bannon, and Trump: The Story Alex Can’t Address

• Dan explains that new Epstein–Bannon correspondence reveals Bannon helped Epstein rehab his image in 2018—while Trump was President—which is personally threatening for Alex to address honestly given Jones' ties to the MAGA movement. (10:10–11:39)

  "Alex shouldn't be saying that the stuff that was revealed in the emails that have been released so far aren't that bad..." – Dan (10:10)

• Dan notes Alex’s contradiction: he still inflates "Pizzagate" on non-existent evidence, but downplays much more concrete Bannon–Epstein connections.
• Both hosts agree Bannon receives some reputational heat, but, per Jordan:

  "He's taking some serious heat, but... Bannon is Bannon... everyone’s like, 'you're a bad guy.' And he's like, 'yeah, man... I was a bad guy earlier, too.'" – Jordan (11:50)

3. Tucker Carlson, Mark Levin, and Right-Wing Monologue Beef (Plus, Penis Discourse)

• Alex Jones rants against rivals criticizing Tucker Carlson’s move to more monologue-driven content, bizarrely escalating to a “dick-measuring contest” with Mark Levin. (13:44–16:11)

  "Wow, my dick's bigger than yours, Tucker. Really show us that. Actually, we don't. Look at it." – Alex Jones (15:05)

• Dan and Jordan riff on the uselessness of “dick measuring contests,” commiserating over the desperation reflected in such talk.

4. Alex Attacks Female Podcasters & More Misogyny

• The hosts refuse to play a particularly offensive clip where Alex attacks the hosts of the “I’ve Had It” podcast (who are women and critical of Trump), only summarizing the segment to avoid platforming Alex’s misogyny (17:54–18:52).

  "God damn it... he's talking about a different fucking podcast... because it’s hosted by women." – Jordan (18:17)

5. Self-Pity, “I’m Not Appreciated” & False Martyrdom

• Alex complains that no one appreciates the decades he’s supposedly spent uncovering pedophile rings and government conspiracies, relays a tall tale about being attacked in a parking lot for his “truth-telling.” (19:30–21:27)

  "I got death threated. And then five dudes attacked me in a parking lot and broke my nose…" – Alex Jones (20:24)
  "If any of this shit was real, why doesn't he get beat up in parking lots more?" – Dan (21:48)

6. Trump vs. Marjorie Taylor Greene: A Cover-Up and a Civil War

• MTG pushes for Epstein files’ release, Trump retaliates by deriding her as “Marjorie Taylor Brown” (“because grass turns brown when it rots,” per Dan). (23:31–24:49)
• Alex justifies Trump’s hostility as a result of “bad advice” or misinterpretation, refuses to attribute agency to Trump—a now-familiar excuse for right-wing strongman failures. (25:45)

  "He's a piece of shit bathwater. But MTG is a great lady, good friend of mine..." – Alex Jones (24:49)

• Dan exposes how Alex’s position—excusing, rationalizing, or blaming others for Trump's actions—amounts to support dressed up as criticism.

  "For Alex to admit [Bannon was close to Epstein] would require him to go scorched earth on Bannon—and Alex knows he can’t afford to do that." – Dan (11:39)

7. Alex Caught Off Guard Reading the Primary Source

• Alex cold-reads MTG’s actual texts and Trump’s response—his surprise and discomfort are palpable as Trump’s reaction looks more “guilty” than he’d anticipated (48:34–50:48).

  "He’s kind of realizing on air that this is way worse than he thought..." – Dan (50:53)

• To distract, Alex pivots to riffs about South Park, Lindsey Graham, and “goblins,” desperately avoiding the core issue.

Notable Moment

"If Trump's not hiding something really bad, his actions seem pretty weird. Alex made a mistake by reading this stuff." – Dan (51:02)

8. The Goblin Distraction & South Park References

• Alex doubles down on his “goblin” metaphor for bad political associations, rants about Trump being “in bed” with Lindsey Graham, and digresses to South Park plotlines (Trump, Satan, and the Antichrist).

  "We don't want to catch him kissing a goblin or catch him in bed with a goblin. And in the case of Lindsey Graham, we have caught President Trump politically in bed with a goblin..." – Alex Jones (53:39)

• Dan points out that although this sounds like criticism, it’s empty—Alex’s real point is anger at Graham, not Trump.

9. Alex’s Sales Pitch, the “Real” Store, and Sideline Grift

• Amidst his crises, Alex shills for supplements and commemorative knives, confusing his store’s branding in the process (realalexjones.com vs. alexjonesstore.com), exposing his ongoing bankruptcy dodges (31:32–34:23).

  "It’s all the same shit…has to just be like a margin thing..." – Dan (33:52)

10. Desensitization, Deflection, and Losing the Plot

• The show closes with Dan and Jordan reflecting on how Alex’s repeated patterns—making excuses, refusing to break with Trump, and holding on to the “populist” brand—expose his increasing irrelevance and inability to walk away from the cult of MAGA, even when evidence of wrongdoing is direct and clear.

  "If populism rises and falls with or without Trump, then y'all need to get rid of him." – Dan (71:20)
  "At what point can you literally not do that anymore?…[Alex is] slowly more and more willing to just be like, 'yes, it's obvious—Trump's doing a cover up.' But…" – Jordan (71:58)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Analogizing Political Loyalty to a Cheese Advent Calendar:
  "This is my means of accountability on cheese." – Dan (03:10)
• Bannon’s Just a Bad Guy:
  "Bannon is Bannon… everyone’s like, ‘you're a bad guy.’ And he's like, ‘yeah, man… I was a bad guy earlier, too.'" – Jordan (11:50)
• Alex Flailing, Deflecting with Dick Jokes:
  "Wow, my dick’s bigger than yours, Tucker. Really show us that. Actually, we don't. Look at it." – Alex Jones (15:05)
• Dan’s Assessment of Alex’s Self-Pity:
  "He's just like, mad that people on Twitter don't put respect on his name." – Dan (21:27)
• On Alex’s Failed Critique:
  "This is a genre of criticism that is actually support in disguise. It's deflectionary criticism that is meant to make you forget why you're mad." – Dan (43:09)
• On the Endgame for Alex's Rationalizations:
  "But once you have one thing that you did, it all falls apart from there.” – Jordan (74:24)

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Important Timestamps

• Epstein, Bannon, and Trump background: 10:10–12:06
• Dick measuring monologue: 13:44–16:11
• Alex flails reading MTG/Trump texts live: 48:34–50:48
• Alex’s “In bed with a goblin” riff: 53:05–54:25
• Final deflection/‘populism isn’t about Trump’ excuse: 71:20–73:09

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Tone & Style

The conversation is sardonic, mocking, digressive, but always sharply focused when it comes to analyzing Jones and right-wing media. Dan plays the straight man/analyst, while Jordan punctuates with incredulous asides and jokes.

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Takeaways for New Listeners

• Alex Jones is increasingly boxed in by the reality of Trump-world scandals and forced to deflect, blame others, or launch into conspiracy riffs and sales pitches when he can’t face the implications.
• Dan and Jordan are adept at picking these dodge tactics apart, showing how "criticism" from figures like Jones ultimately serves to reinforce loyalty rather than crack it.
• Even as the facts get starker, the Jones/Trump ecosystem doubled down on distraction, self-victimization, and outright nonsense to avoid real accountability—a pattern Dan and Jordan lampoon as both tragic and pathetic.
• On a lighter note, the show never misses a chance to squeeze in food talk, inside jokes, and wrestling or pop culture analogies, making the political critique go down smoother.

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For those who missed it:
The episode is a hilarious, if sobering, clinic on how propagandists rationalize for their own team, even as evidence piles up. Dan and Jordan demonstrate how to “keep your eye on the ball” when analyzing media spin and distraction—and that even if the cheese is good, the grift is not.

Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Flight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge, Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dud to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

Sup?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today. And I realize that I don't remember if I've done this before or just talked about it, but we're fucking doing it this year. Okay. I got a cheese advent calendar.

[Jordan]

Okay. Yeah, you went full cheese advent.

[Dan]

I've got a cheese advent calendar and I'm really excited about it. And I would like to enlist anybody who would like to. To make a cheese advent calendar type sting for me to play whenever I discuss the cheeses that are in the advent calendar. All right.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I could have just thrown this out to DJ Dan, but I want. There's 24 cheeses here. There's plenty.

[Jordan]

You want like a. The zing of the day? You want one of those?

[Dan]

Anything. Yeah. Something about cheese.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Anyway, so if people would like to create those, send them to Jordan at Knowledge Gmail.

[Jordan]

Listen to them. I, you know, here's my problem and I think this is my problem. Problem. As maybe a person living in society, my instinct is to be like, well, how can you do a cheese advent calendar? There's not 24 cheeses.

[Dan]

So many cheeses.

[Jordan]

There's like five cheeses because there's only that many colors. So wrong.

[Dan]

So definitely wrong.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Now here's also the exciting piece of this. So if people want to put in these theme songs and want to make little stings, sure, we'll all have a great time with.

[Jordan]

Fine. Yep.

[Dan]

But also, the 18th and the 19th are live show dates.

[Jordan]

That's right.

[Dan]

There will be cheese.

[Jordan]

We'll have to eat cheese on stage. It will.

[Dan]

The 18th and the 19th are covered in this 24 day cheese advent calendar.

[Jordan]

You can't leave it at home.

[Dan]

The tension.

[Jordan]

Who knows what it'll be, Right. Show day is going to be give.

[Dan]

Up on this cheese advent calendar.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

Because I'll have a room full of people screaming cheese at me.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, my now wife, we scheduled a trip only a few months into our relationship because it's like, hey, well, at least we'll be together until this fucking trip. Right?

[Alex Jones]

That'll work.

[Dan]

Sure. So this is. This is my means of accountability on cheese.

[Jordan]

Yep. I like.

[Dan]

And it's always fun to open up those little doors and find something behind it.

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't know why, but an advent talent. An advent calendar is always surprisingly kind of fun.

[Dan]

Yeah. So what about you? What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is today, while we were recording is T Day, I went and spent the afternoon with my family. Lovely. It's great. They're great. It's good times. We had food, Jordan. We ate it. There were children there.

[Dan]

Do you really want people to know that you celebrate Thanksgiving? Do you really want your leftist credibility to be called into question?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I celebrate Columbus Day. I celebrate it twice a year. I want to make sure that Columbus is remembered appropriately.

[Dan]

Wait a second.

[Jordan]

Because he discovered America maybe four times.

[Dan]

I've got a bad argument.

[Jordan]

What's that?

[Dan]

If you celebrate Columbus Day twice a year. Yeah. Kind of waters down the importance of Columbus Day. Right. So two is better than one.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

It's less special. It makes both of them kind of weaker.

[Jordan]

Well, there's Christopher Columbus. And then really, I celebrate Colombo Day, so it's not the same. It's a lot better. In fact, there's one more thing about it, is that the food is better.

[Dan]

I'm just nodding aggressively.

[Jordan]

It's great. It's really good.

[Dan]

I'm glad you had a good time with your family, though. What's. What's your side dish of choice?

[Jordan]

I'm a mashed potat man.

[Dan]

Of course. Go deeper. What's next after mashed potatoes?

[Jordan]

Let's see. I'm mashed potatoes. Then I go to corn. I'm not an exotic Thanksgiving dish. I don't like a casserole, my man. I don't like a casserole.

[Dan]

I think corn's a little basic.

[Jordan]

I'm a little basic, but I think.

[Dan]

You know, stuffing, cranberry sauce, all of any of those answers would have been kind.

[Jordan]

Don't do that. We don't do that.

[Dan]

What?

[Jordan]

We're not worried. Listen, this is a family of. Not necessarily what you would describe as good cooks.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

We don't do the. We have not stuffed anything in a long time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

But.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I was just gonna say here. Here's. Here's what just happened in my brain.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I was gonna say, hey, you don't have to be good cooks. You can have that cranberry sauce in a can.

[Jordan]

Yes, you can.

[Dan]

And then my brain flashed back to Adam Carolla screaming about cranberry sauce in a can every year at Thanksgiving and about how it's qu. And how all you have to do is get some sugar and put some cranberries in a pan. You can make your own cranberry sauce.

[Jordan]

Well, there is that.

[Dan]

Then my brain was like, I bet he did that rant this year.

[Jordan]

I bet he did.

[Dan]

I bet he's still doing the cranberry sauce rant.

[Jordan]

That's a bit. Yeah, that's his. That's his holiday bit. Brutal. I bet he doesn't even do it on holidays. I bet he does it in February.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. I get some cranberry in a can.

[Jordan]

And everybody's like, oh, yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, good times, holidays. Wonderful.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So today we got an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And we're going to be talking. Hey, it's kind of fitting. We're recording on a holiday. You should have the day off.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And we're going to cover an episode from a Saturday when Alex should have had a day off.

[Jordan]

Just take the fucking day, man.

[Dan]

So it's November 15, 2024.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Dan]

And we'll get to that here in a second. But first, let's say hello to some new ones.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, my daughter Skel. She's been trawling through the back catalog in between working on her ba and curating. I'm so proud of her. And it's great getting random texts like space leases or Lionel, Lionel, Lionel, Lionel. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Blitzkleed bleep bleep blitzkleegund blaukrout bleep doo boo boo boo. Come on, man. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Next, Reese ceases Reese's Pieces to join Big Thief, featuring Chief Keef. Thank you so much. You're an IP Policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Come on, now.

[Jordan]

That one was pretty good.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You did a solid cold Read on that one.

[Dan]

Well, the other one really appears to be German. And I don't know what those words mean. No, and I don't want to. And it was a tongue twister.

[Jordan]

It looked like German. And my first thought as I read it was bleep, bloop, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep, bleep.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Okay. Yeah, there's no spaces in this, so I'm going to give it a shot. But we have a technocrat in the mix, so thank you so much. To Dan mocking Jordan, mocking Russell, mocking Alex. Dear God, save me. I'm crying and I can't breathe. Thank you so much. I love you, little loser titty baby. From the mail. From Tom the mailman. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

That one wasn't so bad. No, here's how. Here's where my brain's weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I forgot that we did an episode that touched on Russell Brand. So when I saw Russell in that name, the first thing that I thought of was Russell from Survivor.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I'm like, when did we talk about Russell Hants?

[Jordan]

I don't think we did.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

I don't think we've ever talked about Russell Hands.

[Dan]

Yeah, he sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, that's probably why we haven't talked about him.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, another person who sucks.

[Jordan]

Yep. Jeffrey Epstein equally, equally sucks. That's how crazy this guy sucks. Russell Hands and Jeffrey Epstein, the only two at that level.

[Dan]

Jeff. Jeff did a lot of bad stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah, sure.

[Dan]

And I don't mean to minimize that, but Russell Hands burned people's socks on Survivor to make them less comfortable. Yeah, he's a bad dude.

[Jordan]

That's a real dick move.

[Dan]

So anyway, moving on. We start off the show and there's more shit coming out, obviously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's more trouble in paradise for Alex.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And he's just like, you know what I fucking hate? I hate people who make deceptive headlines and make deceptive tactics.

[Jordan]

Sure. Don't we all see the headline, though?

[Alex Jones]

Oh, Trump with unnamed girl in new emails. And then they black them out so that you have nothing but innuendo. That is a tactic of deceivers. And that's what pisses me off when people do that and cherry pick things and just leave a vague esoteric, gnostic thing out there that people can then, you know, project whatever they want onto. And it's the same. Now the Republicans are responding tit for tat, though they say the bill will be passed by next week to release just hundreds of thousands of documents. There's already 20,000 that they have released and reading over it last night and today hours of it. It's just all complete crap. And that's because even the stuff on Democrats isn't very bad. Even though 99% of U.S. democrats, because the comeys and all the rest of them have already gone through all this stuff when they controlled the files.

[Dan]

Alex shouldn't be saying that the stuff that was revealed in the emails that have been released so far aren't that bad. He still talks about how bad the Pizzagate emails are, and making those into a villainous plot requires all kinds of imaginary code languages and made up details. Whereas these emails are pretty fucking direct. Leave all the rest of it to the side and consider that. In 2018, Epstein and Steve Bannon were exchanging emails and texts about making a document that was meant to clean up Epstein's public image. They were discussing possible directors for the project and Bannon suggested someone who could make a quote, potential hagiography. He's like a saint or some shit. That was in 2018. Trump was already president and Epstein already. He actually he messaged Bannon saying, Trump wakes up in the middle of the night sweating when he hears you and I are friends. These emails and messages are not a dud and they paint a very damning picture. It's just not a picture that Alex can sell to the audience. His credibility in this stage of his career is wrapped up in Trump. And by proxy, his mainstream Trump credibility is reliant on his connections with Steve Bannon and Tucker Carlson. Openly acknowledging that one of these people was good friends with Epstein in 2018 and wanted to help him rehab his public image is very personally threatening. For Alex to admit that's true would require him to go scorched earth on Bannon. And Alex knows that he can't afford to do that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So he's just no big deal. Nothing that bad in there. All good.

[Jordan]

Has Bannon taken any serious heat? Or is everybody just like, this guy's such a psychopath. We already knew he would do this shit.

[Dan]

I think he's taking some serious heat. But in the way that like, Bannon is Bannon.

[Jordan]

Yeah, right.

[Dan]

Like everybody's like, for A long time.

[Jordan]

You're a bad guy. And he's like, yeah, man, that's where. Did anything change? I was a bad guy earlier, too.

[Dan]

No, I don't. Yeah. I think. I think his status quo is. Reasonably hates you. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, there's something to be said about that.

[Dan]

And there's already been a season where the people who love Trump hated him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So, like, he's gotten the hate from all around. He knows that the public's mind is fickle.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think he's rich and doesn't give a shit.

[Jordan]

That is. That is the problem with. With where we are now is that if you've got enough, you kind of know that there is another side that you can punch through.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like, ultimately trying to make an image rehab documentary for Epstein, like, that's not illegal. It's just. You're a piece of shit. Sure.

[Alex Jones]

It's not illegal.

[Jordan]

I mean, I guess it's not. I listen, I like free speech as much as the next guy, but some limits should be turning a horrifying monster into a saint. Maybe that's actually a thing I'm against.

[Dan]

So it's illegal to hear both sides of a story.

[Jordan]

Exactly. It wants. 100% is illegal to hear both sides of this story.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So I think that maybe Bannon's less worried about that because it's like, there's nothing legal.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. That's fair. Yeah.

[Dan]

So Tucker Carlson lately has been doing more monologues on his show.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Doing some. Hey, here's what I think.

[Jordan]

Haranguing.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Stepping on a soapbox is anti Semitism.

[Dan]

Bad.

[Jordan]

Actually, that's a good question for evil.

[Dan]

So this has gotten some. Some comments from, like, Mark Levin has been like, look at this guy doing more monologue.

[Jordan]

Look at this Nazi.

[Dan]

So Alex complains about Mark Levin complaining about Tucker Carlson and then ends by demanding to see Mark Levin's dick.

[Alex Jones]

All right. By the way, just a side point, I've heard a bunch of them like Shapiro and Mark Levin and others are like, look, try to. Levin's voice. Look. Did you see? Now he's addressing his audience and lecturing them up there doing monologues. He's never done that before. Now he's not just doing his podcast. He's doing a nightly show a lot of nights because he knows he's in trouble and his show's falling apart. Tucker's numbers have never been bigger. They're 10, 20 times bigger than Fox. In the aggregate, I encourage Tucker, along with others years ago, to do More live shows to do more monologues, because that's what he was famous for at Fox. When he left Fox years ago and the show came back, I said, I like the podcast, I like the news thing, but I said, I like to see more monologue. And he told me in Florida eight months ago he was gonna bring it back. And then he said, yeah, I'm doing two or three nights a week, but it takes a lot of preparation. I just said, do more of it. You know, skin of the pants there, see your pants. And so again, he never did monologues before. Oh, he's just totally famous for that. It's just all lies. They take everything he does, just like they with me and turn into some victory for them. So now addressing people directly is weird. That's what you do on your radio show, Mark, are you a lunatic? But again, they take everything and turn it into something. I've been talking for, you know, 40 something minutes here, teleprompter free. I can go for 10 hours. Do I need to be put in a rubber room? Is it because I'm desperate? Why? What did. What you. Now you're not just doing a podcast or interviews. What is this? What is this weirdness where you're lecturing us and talking at us? That's weird as well. Then does the exact same thing. I mean, a bunch of them have done this. It's just. It's weird. And our numbers are all up. Their numbers are a bit in the tank. That's on record. While. While Levin, I got a bigger show than he does, and if I see him in person, he better watch out. Wow, my dick's bigger than yours, Tucker. Really show us that. Actually, we don't look at it.

[Dan]

Come on, we want to look at that dick.

[Jordan]

You know what, let me ask a question. And I feel like this is not a question that's been brought up often enough. Have people ever just like, measured their dicks and then that's the end of it, you know, like, it's just like, hey, man, you got an inch on me. I guess I'm going to get out of here.

[Dan]

No, you know, no.

[Jordan]

Or even metaphorically, you know, it's been.

[Dan]

A conversation about something else.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, so even if you're shown to have a smaller dick or a bigger dick or whatever, whatever those feelings you are having, don't go away. So I think. No, it's.

[Jordan]

Then I feel like we shouldn't even have dick measuring contests, Dan. Yeah, I feel like. I feel like they don't accomplish Anything.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, that's gonna upset the economy.

[Jordan]

That's probably true.

[Dan]

I think that there's just. I think there's a fun tension in me telling you ahead of time that this is going to get to a dick.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And then as you're listening to, you're like, how does this get there? How to a dick.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it should also be an indication of how kind of dull all of this is that he said, I'm 40 minutes into the show.

[Jordan]

Let's.

[Alex Jones]

Wow.

[Dan]

40 minutes of whining, nothing happening.

[Jordan]

We're 40 minutes before I asked you to see a dick.

[Dan]

Let me see that dick, Mark.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Come on.

[Jordan]

Is that. Is that maybe a way of measuring, like, how boring or what type of news day are we having? Is the length of time it takes Alex to get to. I want to see your dick, But.

[Dan]

I think if you ever get there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're not. It's not good.

[Jordan]

It's not a good day.

[Dan]

It's not a good day.

[Jordan]

No, you're fair. You're right.

[Dan]

So I pulled this clip, but I'm actually going to skip it because it's very long. And I realize that it's actually grosser than it is worth. But I will discuss what happens because it does take up a long portion of Alex's show.

[Jordan]

I assume he treats the victims of many people with a lot of respect and care and absolute understanding and empathy for what they're going through.

[Dan]

No, he says some horribly offensive things about sexual assault.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

[Dan]

But he's doing it mostly to attack these podcasters who are the hosts of I've had it. It's a podcast.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I've had it.

[Jordan]

Wait, he's talking about a different fucking podcast.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, because it's hosted by women.

[Jordan]

Fucker.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What the fuck? Yeah, it's here.

[Alex Jones]

I know.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Fuck me.

[Dan]

But they're mean to Trump and they're women, and that's fair. I think he saw a meme that involved casting them in the part of, like, the Sea Hag in Popeye.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

So Alex spends a lot of time talking about them, and, Yeah, I don't know. It's. It's a mess, and it's really, really disgusting.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's horrifying. Great.

[Dan]

And also, they're both blonde.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

And the Sea Hag is not from Popeye.

[Jordan]

That's a very good point.

[Dan]

Come on, guys.

[Jordan]

This is the real issue that we need to get to the bottom. Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Come on.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, look, we all know that misogyny runs rampant throughout this world, but who knows what color people's hair are, right?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And she always wears a scarf, which is like.

[Jordan]

I get why you don't all instantly know the color. Right? That makes sense.

[Dan]

Anyway, we'll skip ahead from there and we get to another really important thing, and that is Alex complaining about how no one appreciates him enough.

[Alex Jones]

These people are a joke. But because the general public, even though the quasi awake public is still illiterate. All this. And I don't blame you. My God, the thousands of hours I spent on Epstein. I must have spent months and months and months and months of my life on this. And we already know what it is. A Mossad, CIA, MI6 operation. We know Maxwell's dad ran it for the Mossad and MI6. We know about all the stuff. My God, I was 30 years ago with Ted Gunners, exposing giant industrial CIA child kidnapping rings with snuff films and devil worship. Oh, nobody wants to talk about that. Or the Franklin cover up back when Republicans were involved in this stuff. Ain't no Donald Trump in that with Larry King and the rest of them. I don't mean the Jewish talks to host of cnn, the black Larry King.

[Jordan]

Wait, what? I'm sorry, what are we doing on all fronts there?

[Alex Jones]

You know, I've been the first person to air a BBC documentary that they fought like the devil to never air. And I heard it in 1996. And you. 1997. And you know what I got for it? What was it called? Conspiracy of silence you'd find online. I got death threated. And then five dudes attacked me in a parking lot and broke my nose, telling me to shut up, stop talking about it. See, I get attacked in parking lots for exposing this decades ago. I know more about this than. And it's not about me. It's. I'm sick of like, seeing comments on my X feed. Why don't you talk about the USS Liberty? I've talked more about the USS Liberty. Interview more people than anybody else. You know why? Because most of the people are dead now, so nobody can interview. See, I'm a real person. My name's Alex Jones.

[Dan]

He's just like, mad that people on Twitter don't put respect on his name. Yeah, and like, it's just. Calm down, man. Who cares? You're talking about something that didn't happen 30 years ago. Yeah, you didn't get beat up in a parking lot. And if you did, it was probably because you're an annoying racist. Probably Wasn't because of erring conspiracy of silence.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

And like, I would just say that if Alex. If any of this shit was real, why doesn't he get beat up in parking lots more?

[Jordan]

Man, there are so many parking lots and so many people who want to beat him up.

[Dan]

Right. And remember, like, it's not like he always traveled with bunch of armed guards.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like when we saw him at the Sandy Hook case in. In Austin, he had like a flank of security, but that wasn't the case. Five years prior, someone could have beat the shit out of him at that chicken restaurant when everyone was just yelling at him.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

There are so many opportunities where he should have had his ass kicked if, like, anyone really wanted to whip his ass for his truth if or whatever.

[Jordan]

It is abundantly clear the lack of violence in the hearts of most men insofar as Alex Jones is still walking the earth without a black eye.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

A constant black.

[Jordan]

Constant black eye. A black eye on top of a black eye that he has to explain away because he was in two parking lots on the same day.

[Dan]

Yeah. He really is kind of a good embodiment of, like, how not violent most people are.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Yep.

[Dan]

So someone who is violent is his hero, Trump.

[Jordan]

Yep, very much so.

[Dan]

And he's taking out his violence on Marjorie Taylor Greene.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

At this point, good stuff, because she has come out and said, hey, we should get that Epstein stuff released.

[Jordan]

I like having a president who's really willing to just be a piece of shit, you know? What are you going to say?

[Dan]

Well, then you got it.

[Jordan]

What are you going to say? The man is a real piece of shit.

[Dan]

So at this point, Green hasn't retired.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

She hasn't said, I'm out.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

But she has been like, hey, we got to release this stuff. Right. And then she put out some texts that she had sent Trump and they did not go well. And that's what pushed her over the edge to be like, we gotta fucking do this. And then Trump attacked her and called her Marjorie Taylor Brown because grass turns brown when it rots. He actually says that in a parenthesis after he says Marjorie Taylor Brown.

[Jordan]

Wish he were more clever, though, you know? But those two go hand in hand. If you're a true piece of shit, you aren't gifted with the ability to do good.

[Dan]

Right. You know, and in the political space, we didn't have, like, before 2015, you didn't have someone who's like, little Marco, yeah, this guy's sweaty. Right. Or whatever. And, like, that was good enough.

[Jordan]

It's Catskills comedy because nobody had stand up yet. You know, that's what you got. First banana, second banana.

[Dan]

Now here's the problem. Yeah, Ron Desanctimonious is good. Everyone shit on that and that's good. Marjorie Taylor Brown is a huge whiff that is. That lives on in my heart. Anyway, she's been trying to get these files put out and Trump is attacking her. And Alex is like, boy, now this.

[Alex Jones]

Is a bridge to what we're gonna cover. When we come back, Trump making a big mistake. But I know what he's doing. He does this all the time. And it's just what Trump does. He's a piece of shit bathwater. But MTG is a great lady, good friend of mine, and 90% of the time he's saying good stuff about Trump, just like me. But on the things she disagrees with, she comes out and criticizes the administration's the course. Correct. And then the media cherry picks and says she's attacking you. She says you're covering up. She says you're bad. He then believes that and says she's excommunicata. She's nuts. I'm done with her. I've got a statement here coming up after the break, but she's absolutely right. Don't cover it up. They're going to use the COVID up to then claim you're there. The only thing to do is release it, even though it hurts a bunch of these big rich people that behind the scenes told you to make a deal with them.

[Dan]

So there's so many background assumptions that are built into how Alex is talking about Trump attacking Marjorie Taylor Greene. One is that Alex is totally fine with the idea of Trump making horrible attacks against a sitting member of Congress from his own party based on something someone else told him about what she said. In Alex's version, Trump is lashing out at her because someone else misconveyed what MTG was saying and this led to Trump calling her a traitor.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Just based on this behavior, Trump isn't fit to lead.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. That's the guy I want. Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater.

[Dan]

No, that guy sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he does suck. He's a real piece of shit.

[Dan]

A second here is that Alex knows that he has to downplay the sincerity of MTG's convictions on the issue of exposing child sex traffickers. Because if she's treated like a sincere person, it reveals how deep Alex and Trump are in terms of being fine with a cover up as long as they can argue that the COVID up is better for their team.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Her position on the Epstein Transparency act is consistent with principle. And that contrast shows that Alex is not right. And that's why he has to frame it in this way of like she's trying to get Trump to course correct. It's not a sincerity of belief.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I'm enjoying this. I think it's turning into the rake effect for me. I'm starting to enjoy again his many different ways of being he. She says that nice things. 90% of the time now, 10% of the time he's a pedophile billionaire who's destroying the world.

[Dan]

But sure, and sometimes in that those 10% times, he deserves a little bit.

[Jordan]

Sometimes you need some pushback. Yeah, but not that much.

[Dan]

So the third background assumption here is that Alex has to know that the fact that Trump doesn't tweet all kinds of crazy shit about him is an indication that Alex and Infowars are irrelevant. When MTG has a criticism of Trump, it causes a shitstorm because she has the type of power that means something to Trump. There aren't Twitter meltdowns about weird stuff Alex says, because all of it doesn't matter. Everyone who listens to Infowars could turn on Trump tomorrow and it wouldn't change anything for Trump's relationship with the power that he has access to. The only way to really understand this is that Alex should see what's going on with MTG and it should scream at him that he's spying and compromised on his core issues and that nothing he does matters in a way anyway to the people that he sold out for. All he could have done to be valuable to these people is die. And it's kind of too late for that because Charlie Kirk is a way better martyr than Alex ever would have been. He's got no use to any of these people anymore. Roger is just gonna treat him like shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's. I don't think it's easy to recognize when you're in the. In the capture spiral that. Cause it's. It happens for everybody, you know, that, that, like, well, I disagree with what my party's doing now, but you know that kind of concept and how that will always lead to a downward spiral of if I can take you for granted, I don't care about you. Right. Like, that's just how it works.

[Dan]

If you will go along with this, then I know that. Yeah, whatever, like, whatever words leading up to this and a little bit past it that you have are there without teeth, there's nothing here. I can. I can just act with impunity.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there's. There's a. There's a personality type that is obsessed with getting you. And then once they have you, fuck off. Meaningless. You don't. You don't mean anything. And that's. That's the entire capture spiral. You know, you get so much of that love bomb at first, and then it's all gone.

[Dan]

Sure, there's some. There's some aspect of that. But then I also think that there is a. For Alex, I think it's less of that and it's more like he was really useful in 2013, even into, you know, maybe in the 2020 time. I think during COVID You know, any port in a storm that's. You could use stuff like this.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But because he did all that stuff, he doesn't really have use to Trump anymore.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

He's the guy who did all that stuff.

[Jordan]

Yep. Best to not be that guy in the present.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because that guy only works in the past.

[Dan]

Yeah. So here's the thing.

[Jordan]

What's that?

[Dan]

With the green and Trump, Trump's kind of acting a little bit guilty.

[Jordan]

What? Can you believe it?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

This is unprecedented.

[Dan]

So Alex even can't really deny that.

[Jordan]

Of course not.

[Dan]

But he's not guilty like that.

[Jordan]

Of course not.

[Alex Jones]

She said, listen, you're making a mistake on Epstein. You need to do something. And Trump's gone crazy. So I'm just gonna say it. I have to. He's acting guilty. Now the corporate media will take that out. He's acting guilty. Jones says he's acting guilty. Jones turns on him. No, there's nothing there. I'm an expert on this. All the victims say that. Nothing. All the evidence. So. So why? Because they came to him and said, sir, it's the new Russia gate. They've sprinkled it all with this info about you. And he's like, fine, move on.

[Jordan]

Is that what happened?

[Alex Jones]

Not good.

[Dan]

Even if that is what happened. Guilty.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Sorry.

[Jordan]

I mean, wild.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I like the idea, though, that he's like, boy, this behavior smells bad, but not that bad.

[Jordan]

They're gonna.

[Dan]

That's Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

That's the thing. The media is gonna take this out of context. Whatever. I said, he's looking guilty. They're gonna be like, oh, Alex says he's looking guilty. But I was only saying that he was looking guilty. Now he's looking not guilty. See, that's how it works.

[Dan]

Come on.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So we get to an ad, and Alex is Doing some sales. And I kept this trying to get that green. Well, seaweed.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, I think she'll be green too.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Dan]

But Alex gets a little bit distracted.

[Alex Jones]

And this is the fifth flip blade we've had come in, and it's my personal favorite. And Scott's got some bear ones that are great too. The only problem is 600, and I haven't checked, but I bet they're already sold out the auction store.com. so a lot of supplements and things that sell out@the auctionsore.com they'll still be [e-mail] because they hold back inventory there for that cycle. And that is a critical place for those of you who want to support the [e-mail] so whether it's ultra methylene blue or there's the shilogy, the Irish cmos. Yeah, there it is. HD shot. Look at that. That is a. And what I like about it is.

[Jordan]

Wait, what noise?

[Alex Jones]

Black cockatoo. I know cockatoos are white, but look at it. Looks like a. It looks like a bird. Look like it's got a little beak right there, but also looks like a bird right here. That way too. See, I really like it. I like it a lot. I like it. I look it a lot.

[Dan]

Sold. I'm gonna buy this thing that looks like a bird.

[Jordan]

I feel okay. If I'm up at 2am and I'm watching an infomercial and they're doing a whole thing, and then all of a sudden they're like, we're gonna bring on our knives guy, right? To sell these knives. We're gonna. We've only got an hour. These knives sell out always so fast. And then the knife guy comes out and he's just like, oh, this one looks like a bird. But also. But look at it. It looks like a bird this way too. I just really like it. I just really like this knife.

[Dan]

I think he's talking about seaweed or trilogy. I'm not sure. I don't think he was even talking about the knife that looks like a bird, but either way, I'm buying. So the other thing that I thought was interesting in there is he saying that you should go to the real Alex Jones.com as opposed to the Alex Jones store dot com.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

I was. I was like, that's what he used to do in terms of the Alex Jones store and infowars store.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And that was because he doesn't own one of them.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And I think this has to be. I have to believe that he gets a bitter, bigger cut from the real Alex Jones dot com. Sure. Bigly gets more from the Alex Jones store.

[Jordan]

Well, there's only one reason to push one one way and the other the other way.

[Dan]

Right. Because it's all coming from the same thing. It's not like one sells out and the other still has stock. No, it's all the same shit.

[Jordan]

They don't keep them in different wear houses and.

[Dan]

Yeah, no, it has to just be like a margin thing and.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I can't, I can't imagine a situation where having multiple businesses with your name and saying that you don't own them is going to go well in a bankruptcy situation.

[Dan]

Yeah, Especially one that has real in it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that one, Alex, that one's real tough. I mean, but you know, only in a court of law can something like that be meaningless.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So you got to give it up to them.

[Alex Jones]

They know what they're doing.

[Dan]

Your Honor, the real Alex Jones store is fake.

[Jordan]

Oh, so you can't call things real now without them being real. What are you going to do next? Are you going to take away my right to say fire in a crowded theater?

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex, he thinks that Trump, there's a solution.

[Jordan]

Sure. Just go back in time.

[Dan]

Well, maybe. And the only way you're ever going to get back in time is support Elon Musk. That makes sense because he might make a time machine.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Alex Jones]

Elon Musk came in. Mark Mitchell and other top pollsters confirm what I saw with the grassroots. Doge was super popular, doing an amazing job. There was some vestiges of the Republican Party, blue blood, a corrupt establishment left. And they were successful at running Elon Musk out. And you've seen things go downhill since. I mean, Elon's ready to spend billions on US elections, local elections, city, county, state senate elections. We need him. And now Trump's giving him an ass head he wanted and backed off some. It ain't enough. And it's the same crap I get. Trump's got to be super confident and just goes with his instincts. And that's good overall, 90% of the time, but it's not some of the time. And I've been proving around the Epstein stuff.

[Dan]

So it's interesting because one of Alex's main problems with the US federal government in the past is that the President wasn't really the President. They were a figurehead and they were theoretically in charge, but decisions were made by committee and all the expert advisors around the President were really the ones guiding the Government.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

These were the unelected bureaucrats who formed the permanent government or the deep state. They were unaccountable to the public because they weren't voted into office, and they had no ultimate loyalty to any political party or ideal, since they knew that even with their side out of power, there's still money to be made somewhere in the government and in Washington. Sure, this is a huge selling point that Alex has used to excuse Trump's shittier behaviors. Sure, he may be a total asshole and he seems like he's freaking out at people on social media, but at least he's really in charge. We finally have an actual president, one who doesn't listen to the whispers of all the globalists around him, one who doesn't care what the international community says. For better or worse, he is the guy the buck stops over there.

[Jordan]

The whole idea to cut through all the red tape, to do everything. A strong man. A man who is strong.

[Dan]

But now it seems like Alex is saying that Trump should listen to unelected bureaucracy and billionaires whose money they need to win elections, like a weak man. It feels like it's a liability for Trump to be his own man and actually want to lead. He needs to let a committee lead. It just has to be a different.

[Jordan]

Kind of committee and an unelected one.

[Dan]

All of Alex's complaints about the elites and the unelected bureaucracy were never sincere. He never cared about the actual dynamics that these things imply and uphold, but they were very socially acceptable ways for him to attack the prevailing system without having to make it about what he actually cared about a lot, which is white Christian identity.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He just wants a white Christian identity. Prioritizing establishment.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He'd be totally fine with red tape and all that shit, as long as he felt like white people had a special place in society.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he could practice his weird Christianity without people telling him it's weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, you know, I bet. Here's what I'll say, right? I bet if we did go back in time and talk to Alex before he was placed in a situation where he had to choose, he would absolutely say, I will die for my beliefs and all of that shit. Right?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

It was only when he was put to the test that it was truly revealed. He's a callow piece of shit.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Right. I. I mean, it's like, it is hard to learn from that on a macro scale, but it does feel like there's something about if you haven't gone through that test and come out the other side you shouldn't be trusted at all, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. Or at least trust should be a slightly condition. Sure. You know, like there should be a. We'll see about this.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

But I think that, I think that you can easily also take the wrong lesson from this, which is a little bit nihilistic, and like, think that, oh, everyone will fail that test. And I don't believe that's true.

[Jordan]

I agree.

[Dan]

I think that looking back on Alex's career, he talked a lot of good stuff in a lot of ways.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But he was pretty obviously exactly the type of person who would give up on, you know, like a lot of the core principle.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

If it meant maintaining some of these other things that are more visceral and emotional for him.

[Jordan]

Totally. No, I mean, I think that's the, the, the nihilistic point of view is not that there aren't any people who would pass the test. It's that none of those people will ever be in positions to validate it. You know, maybe, maybe that's the thing. People keep wanting the person who hasn't passed the test, you know, because maybe they will give them more. I don't know.

[Dan]

Yeah. Who knows? But I think that Alex is real sad, man.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's definitely true.

[Dan]

Real hollow piece of business. So he talks a bit more about the Marjorie Taylor Greene situation. I'm sorry, Marjorie Taylor Brown.

[Jordan]

Nice. He's growing on me.

[Dan]

He says that what Trump is doing is bad. Great.

[Alex Jones]

And so MTG's like, no, I think for, you know, all these women abused, we need to bring it out. I don't think Trump's in there, but I don't know what he's doing. And then she's now released the text messages that pissed Trump off. Or she's like, hey, the Clintons are in there, man, the deep state. They did it. You got to go after them. And he comes out and says, well, she's gone crazy. You know, she's crazy mtg and I'm going to support whoever, you know, primaries her. Terrible. Absolutely terrible. So this is as big as saying you disavow your supporters that want Epstein investigated. Really?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

So not involved with Epstein. Illegal, but now involved in the COVID up. Now flipping out when they double crossed you, the Democrats. So now you want them criminally investigated. Good, good. Now you're on the right track. See, I told you. You. So he's calling Thomas Massie of Kentucky and MTG of Georgia, who are good Americans, real people who don't compromise like Ron Paul. Trump calls Massey the mini me. Gross of not a compliment, Paul.

[Dan]

That's random.

[Alex Jones]

Overall supports Trump, but hey, we're not a cult. This is wrong that you're doing here on some issues. And then Trump has all these people around him. Oh yeah, get him, ostracize them, kick them out, primary him. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just like maga's gone crazy with Cash Patel using his girlfriend as the front. His law firm, FBI law firm suing Kyle Sarah from the FBI whistleblower who they said was a hero. Now they hate him and suing Elijah Schaefer.

[Dan]

Getting a little distracted here. But the step that Alex can't make is that Trump is making all of this happen. He appointed Kash Patel, a known lunatic, to be the FBI director because he knew that it would cause chaos and make law enforcement targeting the higher class criminals a joke. He could fire him at any point if cautious official or personal issues become a problem for Trump and he hasn't yet. And there aren't people forcing to threaten for forcing Trump to threaten to sport primary challenges against Massey and MT doing that because that's how he acts. He threatens enemies. And Massey and Green have made themselves his enemy by not just dropping the Epstein shit.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

The only refuge Alex has left to justify any of the horrible stuff Trump is doing is to deflect and pretend that it's someone else's fault. He's just calling MTG a traitor because someone else told him a warped version of what she said. He's just threatening to help primary the Republicans who made the Epstein Transparency act happen because other people are telling him to. Alex knows that the only correct position is to burn Trump and get off this sinking ship. But for whatever reason, he can't do that. So he's trying to create the impression that he's being critical of Trump by leveling very shallow criticisms against him, blaming other people for Trump's actions, and then saying that people shouldn't throw the baby out with the bathwater. This is a genre of criticism that is actually support in disguise. It's deflectionary criticism that is meant to make you forget why you're mad.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, it's essentially the. The idea of controlled opposition within, you know, that kind of criticism is like, oh, see, look, we can disagree now. Admittedly, at the end of the day, my point is I will do and say anything it takes to keep this man in power.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And the only way that I can give the appearance of like, sort of peaceful disagreement is by making an entirely different point than has Anything to do with what we're actually talking about? Yeah, we're talking about Trump fucking blowing up Marjorie Taylor Greene because she wouldn't stop it with the Epstein stuff.

[Jordan]

I mean, here's what boggles my mind because it makes me think that people can't think. Right. It feels like a lot of people are like, ah, now that he's President, he'll change his behavior. When it's like, why his behavior made him the President of the United States. That suggests that it's usually pretty useful as a tool if it makes you the President of the United States. So why in God's name would I do something different? Like you, not the President of the United States.

[Dan]

Yeah. Loser.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, how does that not make sense to people? Of course he's gonna burn you. He's good at that.

[Dan]

Right. And it's a strategy that's effective and he's used his whole life. Right. And Alex even understands this. I mean, listen to him describe his.

[Alex Jones]

Tactics and now doing this to mtg. And I know Trump's tactics. He'll be mean to somebody for a while and then they course correct. He's nice to him. She ain't gonna course correct Trump. She doesn't want to be a darling on Bill Maher in the View. What she won on Bill Maher and the View, she said, I love Trump. Overall, he's great, blah, blah. I just want him to do better on these policies. I'm trying to help him. You call her nutty, you call her crazy. You do all that. No, no. What you're doing is destructive. What you're doing is wrong. And I'll defend you all day when you're right, just like I just did for two hours. But I need you to succeed, big guy. And so you're going to get no apologies from me. If you don't like what Massie's doing or she's doing some things, just leave it alone.

[Dan]

Just shut up. Don't be in the like. It's just the COVID up thing again, don't shut up. But what Alex is describing about Trump's tactics is just bullying.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's correctly assessing that pretty much everyone in his political movement is vulnerable to being bullied, which is why this has worked. But MTG is not dweebs like Ted Cruz and Mike Johnson. They're the kind of figures who you can give them a good smack when they get out of line. And they'll be right back to calling you sir.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

But it is clear that Marjorie Taylor Greene is Not in for that right now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

She may be around other issues, but this one, it's not gonna happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, the, the thing about it is, at the end of the day, these people are going to fall in line. So if Marjorie Taylor shit face falls out of line, who fucking cares? Somebody who is going to fall in line will just take her place.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And it doesn't matter, Right.

[Dan]

Well, you know, yeah, I guess someone who will go along will come along. Or a Democrat could win her seat.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Which seems unlikely probably. But like, you know, whatever is going to happen is going to happen. And that's why I think that, like, her decision to not allow herself to be bullied is good for her brand, her personal brand. It's the right decision to make. Sure. Like, in terms of all of this, there is, there's no way you're going to fight back and like unseat the entire bully worshiping side of the government. Well.

[Jordan]

And that's the only way to negotiate herself to a higher position is to prove that unlike these other guys, she's willing to step away from the table because again, the other people at the end of the day have no negotiating position. You're gonna fall in line.

[Dan]

It's like back in the day, Cody Rhodes, son of Dusty Rhodes, was working at wwe.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He was made to be Stardust, a crazy space character. And he said, nah, I'm out of Omos. He left the company, made a name for himself on the Indies.

[Jordan]

Yep. And then that's how it works.

[Dan]

Power grew.

[Jordan]

Now you've got bargaining.

[Dan]

Exactly. Marjorie Taylor Greene needs two become Stardust.

[Jordan]

I agree with that.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Because then she will definitely not be brown.

[Dan]

I'd like to see her do a match with Dustin Rhodes.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I'd like to see her.

[Jordan]

She's wiry though. She looks like she doesn't have much, but she's got long limbs, she's got a long reach, and it feels like she's got some forearm muscles, you know? Mm. I bet she could do some damage.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Her ground game is probably shit.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, look, do you think she's a high flyer? She's gonna do a hurricane, Ron.

[Jordan]

I think she's a top rope lady.

[Dan]

I think that's what we're shooting. Star press.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

So, Alex, I think that there is a desire to be on Marjorie Taylor Greene's side.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But Alex is really too afraid. Of course, he can't really make it work. And he makes a big mistake. And that is. He starts reading the texts that she reads.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Alex Jones]

So she put out these text messages, and when he really got pissed. Check the flight logs of Epstein's plane. Bill Clinton there like 26 times. Hillary, too. For many of us, releasing the Epstein files has always been for the women who are victims. She says, sitting on air of Jeffrey Epstein. But also because we believe that Democrat bad guys at the Clintons will. Involve with him what.

[Dan]

What happened there. Sounds a lot like, sketchier than it is. He just tripped up on the word entangled.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Because it was split between two lines in the message.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And so he just got confused.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Alex Jones]

Epstein was a spider that wove the web of the deep state. Lean into it. In every single interview I have done, I have defended President Trump. I've said over and over again, the women say he did nothing wrong, and their attorney says he's the only one who helped. The Democrats had four years to release the files. But another, stop ignoring the women. Many of them literally voted for Trump because. And to say so publicly. Yeah, like, why would you do this and hurt yourself and the country? Why would you do something like this? It's just terrible. Trump lightweight Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene, green grass turns brown when it is to rot. Betrayed the entire Republican Party when she turned left.

[Dan]

Left.

[Alex Jones]

Performed poorly on the pathetic view and became the rhino that we all know she's always was. But not Lindsey Graham. Just another fake politician. Why do they have J.D. vance in the new south park having sex with Trump? He's like a baby to. It's like pedophilic. Because they're scared of ants.

[Dan]

What?

[Alex Jones]

Why didn't south park do one with Trump and Lindsey Grant Graham? Instead of Satan getting pregnant from Trump, Lindsey Graham is going to have the Antichrist for Trump. That's a good note, but, oh, see, south park doesn't want to take Lindsey Graham.

[Dan]

So as Alex is cold reading these texts and Trump's response, he's kind of realizing on air that this is way worse than he thought. He got a basic storyline in place that he felt that, like, he could sell based on general vibes, but he forgot to check the primary sources before getting on air.

[Jordan]

Forgot his own. A very generous term.

[Dan]

No, because I think he sounds a little surprised.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

There really isn't a way to see MTG's actions and Trump's response and not think, wow, that's a strange response for an innocent person to have.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If Trump's not hiding something really bad, his actions seem pretty weird. Alex made a mistake by reading this stuff. And in the moment, he tries to save the ship by complaining about Lindsey Graham and South Park. Sure. I think that Lindsey Graham isn't all that relevant right now. Just big picture. So a broad satirical comedy show doesn't really have a place for him in the. In the story.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

J.D. vance isn't really a baby on the show. He's very clearly tattoo from Fantasy Island. And some of the baby imagery that Alex is alluding to is because he's really short and Trump wears a diaper in their loves.

[Jordan]

Right, Right. Gotcha.

[Dan]

Either way, what's happening on Alex's show right there is that he's realized that the information he's presented requires him to have a particular stance and that he cannot have that stance. The stance he needs to have is MTG is just and righteous as a voice fighting against the sex traffickers in the globalist cabal, and Trump is clearly attacking her for pursuing that, which can only mean that Trump is on the side of the sex traffickers in the cabal.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Alex cannot have this position, so he chooses a distraction path. Trump called MTG a rhino, so he riffs on Lindsey Graham being a rhino, not Marjorie Taylor Greene. This is a horrible distraction path because it reminds people that Trump is currently being very nice to Lindsey Graham and not calling him a rhino, whereas he is attacking MTG and calling her that.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Alex instinctually understands that this path goes in a bad direction and makes Trump look worse. So he starts rambling about south park and how they're not making fun of Lindsey Graham because the globalists aren't afraid of him the same way they are of Vance. And so he continues on this riff hoping to distract you from where it started that.

[Alex Jones]

But, oh, see, south park doesn't want to attack Lindsey Graham. President Trump, have you impregnated Lindsey Graham with the Antichrist? President Trump, have you been with Lindsey Graham in the. In the. In the Lincoln bedroom? Is he, like Rosemary's baby chest dating the Antichrist right now?

[Dan]

Now.

[Alex Jones]

Inquiring minds want to know. President Trump, are you secretly in a relationship with Lindsey Graham? That's a joke. Folks off corporate media will take it and run with it.

[Jordan]

That's fine. You.

[Alex Jones]

My point is, is politically, Trump is in bed with a goblin. My famous rant, pull up Alex Jones rant in bed with a goblin. They made music videos out everything. Pull up Alex Jones goblin music video. And I explained as a Mordor analogy, we don't expect Trump going into Mordor to not get some goblin blood and slop and vomit on him while he's cutting him Up.

[Jordan]

What?

[Alex Jones]

We don't want to catch him kissing a goblin or catch him in bed with a goblin. And in the case of Lindsey Graham, we have caught President Trump politically in bed with a goblin. And as bad as it is, it may be Trump that's pregnant with the Antichrist sired by Lindsey Graham in Trump's colon right now may be growing the Antichrist, a combination of Trump and Lindsey Graham and the neocons. In fact, this is a polyamory.

[Dan]

So just to be clear to anybody who's not watching the current season of South Park, a large part of the plot is that Donald Trump is dating Satan, and he has impregnated Satan. He's gonna give birth to The Antichrist. And J.D. vance is trying to get an abortion to happen to stop the Antichrist from being born. And J.D. vance and Trump fucked.

[Jordan]

Right. We're going with a new kind of ironic, sincere obviousness that is maybe not going to work very well.

[Dan]

Sure. But I'm just saying, like, if you hear this stuff and you haven't watched those episodes, that makes no sense. What Alex is saying makes no sense.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

The idea of him having the Antichrist's baby in his colon and all that, that is fair. So keep in mind this whole thing, this conversation, it started with Alex reading texts that Marjorie Taylor Greene sent to Trump and the beginning of Trump's response to her.

[Alex Jones]

Her.

[Dan]

The topic that's on the table is Trump calling Marjorie Taylor Greene a traitor because she wouldn't leave the Epstein stuff alone. And because Alex has realized that this is an unspinnable situation, he's decided to delve into a completely unrelated gripe about Lindsey Graham, full of distractions, like people making songs about his famous Goblin rant. Through this diversion, Alex feels like he's come to a conclusion that seems like it's criticizing Trump.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He's been caught in bed with a goblin in the form of Lindsey Graham, which is supposed to be the line that Alex can't accept him crossing.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But this is why it's important with a bullshit artist like Alex to keep track of what he's saying. He's finding this negative thing to say about Trump because it's really a negative thing about somebody else. It's an attack on Graham, and Trump's only crime is associating with him. Trump can correct this by being mean to Lindsey Graham, and then Alex's audience should be fully placated.

[Jordan]

Done and done.

[Dan]

It's meaningless criticism. Conversely, the thing Alex is trying to distract from is that he Accidentally made it way too clear on air that Trump is acting like someone personally invested in covering up the Epstein stuff. He's acting guilty and not in the way Alex wants to pretend. So even if he has to do this very funny riff about Trump impregnating Lindsey Graham, that's preferable to the audience remembering what topic we're actually discussing.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it started really bad and entered unsavable territory.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

This is all distraction and deflection.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I get it. To. To. Because, I mean, to a certain extent, I think a lot of people really, really want distraction from this kind of thing because it's impossible not to look at the government as it stands filled with both parties protecting Epstein's friends, you know, and not be like, well, if powerful people on all party sides, on, in every aspect of government are like, we don't want everybody to know what we've done. That's pretty disillusioning as far as who should be in government.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yep. I don't know what to say, but. Yep.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

What you gonna do?

[Dan]

What I am gonna do is I am going to let Alex help us understand.

[Alex Jones]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

That's what I would be.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Dan]

Yeah. Let's see. Let's see where he goes.

[Alex Jones]

My point is, politically, Trump is doing what the neocons are doing, going after his own party for being true and trying to keep on straight and narrow. And that's wrong. We take you now live to the year 2016, as the President Elect Trump is about to take office. We said, we don't expect you to not get dirty, but just don't kiss goblins and don't get in bed with a goblin. I don't want to see him kissing goblins.

[Jordan]

Well, you know, this is a serious criticism.

[Alex Jones]

Goblins. Goblins.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Nice. So I would like it. I would like it, because here's what I think. I think that would open up goblin relationships in a way that we haven't seen since Nixon in China. You know, like, goblins aren't inherently evil. They live in the mountains. They kind of keep to themselves, and if you show up, maybe they eat you. But it's their home. It's easier if they come to your home. They're not going to eat you. They might eat.

[Dan]

Stand your ground.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. Eat your ground laws.

[Dan]

You know, here's here. Here's a couple things.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Wand goblins aren't real.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

If they were.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would agree with you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Well, that's nice. Thank you.

[Dan]

I also. Because I've listened to this stupid fucking show for a long time. I've heard about 50 times Alex has said already he's kissing a goblin this time. He keeps doing this and pretending that Trump isn't constantly doing Goblin stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And I think Goblins have a queen, so that's fairly progressive.

[Dan]

They don't exist.

[Jordan]

Right. I understand what you're saying.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Neither does the sword that lights up when they're around.

[Jordan]

I was gonna. I was there. I was headed there next, man. What about the spider?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Spider's real.

[Jordan]

Okay, good.

[Dan]

Too real.

[Jordan]

Too real.

[Dan]

Yeah. And by that, I mean he'll just tell you truths.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That, like, you don't want to hear.

[Jordan]

Oh, he's too real. Oh. About your family and stuff that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Oh, your mom was actually your sister. You're like, no.

[Alex Jones]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

But even stuff like your mom doesn't have your best interests at heart.

[Jordan]

Just regular stuff. You know it's true. You know it's true.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's no looking away from the truth, and you don't necessarily want to know it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Sometimes you need to lie to yourself to get through the day.

[Dan]

And that's why you gotta avoid that cave.

[Jordan]

You gotta avoid that fucking spider.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What a dick.

[Dan]

So Alex plays a bit of the south park episode.

[Jordan]

Sure, why not? Why fucking not?

[Dan]

Fox News is live at the White House. Yo. Hey. So what's happened in the episode is that Peter Thiel has bugged the White House.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so he has video, like, surveillance videos of everything.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So he has leaked video of Trump and Vance fucking.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And also the b plot of this episode is that there's a war going on between the boys and girls at the school because of deep fake AI videos that they can make of each other.

[Jordan]

Right, that makes sense.

[Dan]

So this footage of the two of them fucking has been released and Fox News is being forced to cover that sex video.

[Jordan]

Uh.

[Dan]

Oh, definitely disheartening news here. Why the president would do this to Satan with a baby on the way. We don't know if it's anyone's guess why.

[Jordan]

Sorry, sorry, we gotta interrupt you there. We just got word that the President is calling in to Fox and Friends. Are you there, sir?

[Alex Jones]

All right, that's enough. I mean, this is all they got, folks. But in reality, spiritually, he's out of bed with MTG more and more in the American people, and he's in bed with Benjamin Netanyahu and Lindsey Graham.

[Dan]

So in the episode, Trump calls into the Fox and Friends and just tells them that it's Fake. And it. The joke of it is that they're all really sad.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Reporting on this video. And then he says it's fake, and then it totally changes.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Of course.

[Dan]

Everyone just goes fully along with him just saying it's fake.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And so it's kind of funny because that's like what Alex does.

[Jordan]

Right. And he's probably pretty fucking aware of that.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. But that's all they got.

[Jordan]

This is all they got is. That's a pretty funny way of. I. Okay. I would say this previous. This is all they gots. Have included tan soup. Right. This. This is all they got, is the president is fucking Satan and other topical things.

[Dan]

No. Well, he's just like. It's. It's less about him fucking Satan, it's more about him cheating on Satan with J.D. vance. Right, right. Well, there's a baby on the way that's a little. Not everybody knows that it's the Antichrist. A lot of the American public just thinks it's a baby, and they're very excited.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, they would be family. That's kind of how the Antichrist would work. He wouldn't. He wouldn't be like. You would. We all wouldn't be like, ah, shit, we caught him. You know, he's got to be pretty cool.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I don't know, I get the. I get the idea of Alex not fully enjoying the south park. And I think that he has, like, some reason from much earlier in his career to think that those guys would be cool with him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I think they would have been cool with him in, like, 2005, 2006. I think who he pretended to be back then was in line with what the south park guys were when they were younger.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

When all three of them were pretending to be libertarians, a word they didn't really understand at the time. And now here we are, and the.

[Dan]

Two of them have grown up and matured in some strange ways, and Alex has become the piece of shit.

[Jordan]

This. Oh, well, yeah.

[Dan]

So I'm gonna give you a choice.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

There's a death. No.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

Sorry. There is a clip about a bioweapon.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It's two minutes long. Do you want to hear it? You can or not.

[Jordan]

Is the bioweapon going to be revealed to be a dick?

[Dan]

It rhymes with dick. Now I have to play it because I said something about rhyming.

[Alex Jones]

Now here is the scientists, remember the bioethicists. They teach us the ethics of science and medical stuff. Matthew Lau called for the bioengineering of humans to make them allergic to meat in exactly the manner caused by the Lone Star tick. He said this should be done to save the planet from climate change. Because cows are bad. Because they fart methane. You fart methane. And they've also said in public service announcements in the UK and Europe, we need to ban your dog and cat because they're bad too, too. So it's not just natural gas and oil that I want to get rid of. It's everything. It's total control teaching you carbon based life is bad. And so now it's here and oh, we better not eat beef. Oh God. You get bit by this tick, you all die. And who knows how they'll get this into. It's not just a tick. They can fly over and spray this on you. And then now you have this autoimmune response that gets you violently ill or kills you. And now you can't eat beef.

[Dan]

Beef.

[Alex Jones]

You can see the plan. It's bioweapon attack and no beef. Why is Bill Gates still not in prison?

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

So here he is bragging about the plan announce here.

[D]

So I'll give two examples. So one is that people eat too much meat, right? And if they were to cut down on their consumption on meat, then they would, it would actually really help the planet. But people are not willing to give up meat. Yeah, you know, some people will be willing to, but other people, they may be willing to, but they sort of, they have a weakness of will. They say, wow, this, this steak is just too juicy. I can't do it. I'm one of those, by the way. So, you know, but so here's a thought, right? So it turns out that we know a lot about. So we have this intolerance to. So I, for example, I have milk intolerance. And there. Some people are intolerant to crayfish. So possibly we can use human engineering to make it the case that we're intolerant to certain kinds of meat, to certain kinds of bovine proteins. And there's actually analogs of this in life. There's this thing called the Lone Star tick where if it bites you, you will become allergic to meat. I can sort of describe the mechanism. So that's something that we can do through human engineering. We can kind of possibly address really big world problems through human engineering.

[Alex Jones]

Another. Yeah, the same guy says they can genetically engineer babies to make us smaller. And so we don't eat as much. Maybe we can live in a shoebox. These guys are on A total, absolute control freak operation.

[Dan]

We want tiny people. We want shoebox people.

[Jordan]

I mean, listen, I normally, I never am against pushing the limits of biofucking around with people. Right? But this is the worst idea. And if this guy is a bioethicist, he should be shot into the sun.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I think.

[Jordan]

What are you talking about?

[Dan]

Well, I think he's discussing a. Like, a possibility for people who would like to give up meat. Sure. But are tempted and would want to give themselves some kind of, like, incentive not to eat. It's still all within the realm of choice. Not like forcing people to become allergic to meat.

[Jordan]

I'm sure that they would never be done.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But I'm also I'm sure that chemically, they would never just castrate people without their knowledge.

[Dan]

On a wide scale, they would never. I guess wide is Ralph.

[Jordan]

Bummer.

[Alex Jones]

Bummer.

[Jordan]

Ooh. Yeah.

[Dan]

But I'm more worried about that. That other thing.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

About tiny people.

[Jordan]

I would. See, that's the thing. I go the opposite. I love tiny. I'm all for tiny people. Yeah. That's great.

[Dan]

Okay. Well, I was digging into it, okay. And these ideas, they go back a ways.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

There was a little old lady who lived in a shoe.

[Alex Jones]

Ooh.

[Dan]

And the plan's been there the whole time. It has been there, though, ever since that piece of. I don't know where that comes from. Folklore, I believe.

[Jordan]

It's a just child's nursery rhyme.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Right. Predictive programming. Trying to get used to the idea of living in a shoe.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

In order to give, they have to give consent because they didn't argue with the nursery rhyme.

[Jordan]

All right, here's another one. This is. This is bullshit. Right? We have been trained since children to believe that an authority figure falling from a great height should be put back together again. Bullshit. That egg should be fucking dead. I hate this putting shit back together again.

[Dan]

Well, no, hold on now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What was Humpty Dumpty's role? I don't know. If he was an authority figure, it was the king's men who tried to put him back together.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Well, I mean, I just assumed that the king's men wouldn't just be, like, putting eggs back together all the time, that he was the king.

[Dan]

Right. But, I mean, he's a sentient egg, right?

[Jordan]

That's what I'm saying. I didn't want him to be king in the first place.

[Dan]

He's not.

[Jordan]

Seems like a terrible idea.

[Dan]

He's not a sentient egg king. I'm saying that the king had one sentient egg in his kingdom, and that's why he put special attention.

[Jordan]

Listen, I get where you're coming from, but from. From a standpoint of training children, it's. I think it's.

[Dan]

Do you think Humpty Dumpty was like a duke?

[Jordan]

Oh, man, I see now I struggle. I would say that it's harder to rhyme Duke, so I doubt it.

[Dan]

Puke. Cuke.

[Jordan]

That doesn't. None of those seem like they're fit for a nursery rhyme.

[Dan]

Cucumber. Little cuke.

[Jordan]

You're going to say cuke. No, no, stand by Cuke.

[Alex Jones]

New.

[Jordan]

What's new going to do in your nursery?

[Dan]

Oh, well, I mean, be talking about a microwave.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's fair. I think we're still talking about the eg, though.

[Dan]

Do you want to microwave the egg?

[Jordan]

I don't think you can. Can you microwave the egg?

[Alex Jones]

You can.

[Dan]

I saw a product on an infomercial that explains.

[Jordan]

Is it a. Is it a knife that looks like a bird?

[Dan]

Yes. Okay, so we have one last clip here, and it's Alex. Like, the one thing that I want to really stress about his response, particularly to everything in the Epstein shit, but with Marjorie Taylor Greene is like, this is all deflectionary. Trump can't take any responsibility for any of the things that are happening. So Alex tries to be like, I guess the Trump administration is fucking us, but not Trump. He's good.

[Alex Jones]

And so now you've got Patel going after maga, You've got Trump purging mtg. This is a horrible turn of events. This is a MAGA civil war. Not against rhinos, but against the real people that can't be bought or controlled. So remember, Trump is still doing overall good job. We support him, but we don't rise and fall with Trump. Populism is winning everywhere. We fight on. Trump showed up on the scene 10 years ago. We've been here 31 years. I need your support, your word of mouth, your prayers. Relicshones.com all the best Patriot apparel. All the very best. Sublimation moments limited edition flip knife that's selling out right now.

[Dan]

By my knife. Yeah. So, I mean, like, if populism rises and falls with or without Trump, then y' all need to get rid of him.

[Jordan]

I. I mean, come on. This is very. It's. I mean, it's just rising to the level of pure silliness. Just the. The. Like, at what point point is it even possible to do this anymore? Like, he's. He's doing everything he's been. He's been escalating over the time that we've been watching this. He's slowly been more and more willing to just be like, yes, it's obvious.

[Dan]

Trump's doing a cover up.

[Jordan]

But, but, you know, like, he's, he's been doing that and it's like, at what point can you literally not do that anymore?

[Dan]

I, I, I think it's, I think everyone's different.

[Alex Jones]

Different.

[Dan]

You know, like, I agree.

[Jordan]

But I wonder is, is there a universal bottom?

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah, I would say so.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

I would, I would, I would say that there will be a point at which anyone who tries to walk across ice will fall.

[Jordan]

Will fall. Okay.

[Dan]

Like, not, it's not going to be every time you walk across ice, but if you keep walking on ice, eventually you're going to, you're going to fall through that ice.

[Jordan]

Especially if a lot of people walk on the same ice.

[Dan]

Right. And if it's bad ice.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If it's Trump ice.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Shit ice. Trump branded ice.

[Dan]

I think that one of the reasons that I think it is inevitable is that Alex is doing this wrong.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

There's a way to do this, but he has to have never admitted that Trump was in on the COVID up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Once he made that step that, oh, the billionaires came to him and asked him to do this and so he got in on the COVID up and now it's blowing up in his face.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Once he conceded kind of a point. Everything else is like this bizarre, spiraling idiot, like, rationalization of things.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then every other person who's acting in ways that they should, like Nick Fuentes, like Marjorie Taylor Greene, all of these people existing just highlight how stupid Alex is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so that, I think, is the, the like push and pull tension that is going to cause the break.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But if he would have just, just, you know, behaved a little bit differently. Gas lit a little bit harder at the right place.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that he'd, he'd have a thicker ice to walk on.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. There is that, There is that thing where for, there's a certain type of person that never takes responsibility for anything. Trump, you know, like, exactly. You know, it's always somebody else's fault. It's always somebody else did something. It's always somebody else. Even when it's my fault, it's only because of them. So it's not even me. If they weren't there, I wouldn't have done it. Right. I don't have to take responsibility for that. And as long as you don't have to take responsibility for it. You can do whatever you want. Right. Because it's everybody else's fault. But once you have one thing that you did, it all falls apart from there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that is because a doing of a thing leads to another doing leads to another doing.

[Dan]

And the problem of this for Alex is that he has done a thing in like. Okay. Whether or not Trump agreed to be part of this coverage up, Alex has done a thing which is not leave.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That is not his breaking point. And that is an active decision on his part that I'm sure he wants to disguise as a passive decision. Not.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

And, yeah, that requires him to do other things and do other things. And. Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Once you. Once you do something, then, you know, like, once Trump was. Once Trump really was like, hey, fuck all you people who are still looking for Epstein, then it's like, it's no longer. You can blame other people. He said, fuck all of you. He did that. So everything that did follows from that point. You know, every action follows from that point. You can't blame somebody else. Somebody else didn't write the tweet, you know.

[Dan]

Right. And, like, you should conceivably expect similar kinds of things to be done by him in the future. As long as he can.

[Jordan]

Yeah, can't.

[Dan]

Maybe he won't.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

But as long as he can, he's going to keep doing that kind of shit. It's made him the president, and you have nothing to offer in terms of an incentive to get him to stop.

[D]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex can yell all he wants. He could do all this. He could do whatever dumb shit he wants. He could even say, hey, Trump, you're the best. Please, sir, could you please just not do anything?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Could you please shut up about this coverage up. That wouldn't do anything.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

He could kill Roger and it wouldn't do anything. He's. He's.

[Jordan]

It is. It is a pure lack of understanding that it's just him and his audience now.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

He just doesn't get that.

[Dan]

Which is freeing.

[Jordan]

It should be freeing. It's freeing for us. It's just us. They don't even. He doesn't even talk about us. It's just us in the audience listening to us. There's nobody else involved.

[Dan]

He talks to other. He talks and shit about other podcasters, but not us.

[Jordan]

We're not real.

[Dan]

I think that he should lean into that freedom.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But he doesn't.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

And it's sad.

[Jordan]

Freedom is a fear.

[Dan]

Yeah, we'll see. We'll see when this ice cracks when it breaks. Whatever. Or hey, you know what? Maybe the Duke boy will get out of it.

[Jordan]

Maybe that General Lee can slide on. Maybe you put some skis on the General Lee and it goes right across the ice. Real smooth.

[Dan]

Yeah. And we'll find out how it goes. Indeed. But until then, next installment. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's not.

[Dan]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now, here comes the Sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.