#1105: December 3, 2025

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1105: December 3, 2025

Release date: December 29, 2025

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Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan sift through Alex Jones’s December 3, 2025 InfoWars broadcast, unpacking conspiratorial claims about a supposed “deep state” coup against Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth. They analyze Jones’s shifting ethics around war crimes, his defensive partisanship, and the broader infighting and collapse of cohesion in the contemporary right-wing media sphere.

From the opening “Red Alert” shenanigans to a grim analysis of Alex Jones’s irreconcilable contradictions, the episode scrutinizes how far Jones (and by extension, his audience) have fallen from their former anti-establishment ideals.

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Bright Spots & Banter (00:59–16:07)

• Holiday Reflections: Dan and Jordan open with cheerful post-Christmas stories and recount near-disastrous travel through a winter “boss battle” (01:22–01:49). Jordan shares a moving family moment: “My niece, the second child of my brother, has finally smiled at me. And she even said a word to me. She said hello.” (04:03)
• Cheese Talk: Dan introduces “Champagne Cheddar,” a New Year’s treat, which disappoints in flavor but sparks a playful discussion on cheese terminology.
• MacGyver Recap: Dan shares his love of MacGyver and dissects a recent episode, highlighting the show’s reliance on “contraptions” and improvisational problem-solving (06:23–15:05). Jordan: “In a way, MacGyver is the precursor to Mythbusters.” (11:32)

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Setting the Stage: "Them Boats" and the Hegseth Crisis (16:07–34:08)

• Boats, War Crimes, and Hypocrisy: The InfoWars show focuses on “them boats”—strikes on suspected drug trafficking vessels ordered by Hegseth, followed by fallout over civilian casualties (18:18).
• Alex’s Contradiction: Dan calls out Alex’s selective outrage:

  “At the core, what Alex is expressing is that he doesn't really care about killing noncombatants...The only relevant variable is whether or not he likes the people doing the war crimes.” (19:08)

• “Globalist Coup” Claim: Alex insists there’s a Pentagon coup to unseat Hegseth and threaten Trump (23:13), claiming:

  "There is a live deep state Pentagon coup going right now...then they're going to make their move on Trump." (23:13, Alex Jones)

• War on Drugs Escalation: Hegseth justifies sinking boats and firing on survivors as “eliminating the threat.” Dan is aghast:

  “Are we in a very literal international war on drugs now?” (36:48, Dan)

• Reversal on Rules of War: Alex waves off international law and morality:

  “I've studied the military...If he did [commit the strike], it's legal and lawful. Obviously...The mission: kill people, break things.” (40:03, Alex Jones)

• Geneva Convention Violation: Dan clarifies:

  “Once their ship is wrecked, you can't just shoot them as they tread water...People aren't upset about this...just so they can have a reason to...think that Hegseth or Trump are bad. They believe...because they do bad things. This is a prime example.” (41:49, Dan)

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The Palace Intrigue: Manufactured Enemies & Loomer Segment (44:24–52:04)

• Scapegoating & Desperation: Laura Loomer “reports” on a coup against Hegseth, blaming Secretary of the Army Dan Driscoll for leaking and “going jogging” with alleged Trump opponents (45:44, Loomer).
• Dan’s Take:

  “This is all very sad...This is such silly levels of scapegoating that you’re trying to engage in that all it really reveals is how deep underwater you are.” (46:25)

• Palace Intrigue, Not Policy: Alex and Loomer’s defense of Hegseth is simple:

  “Everybody needs you to be defending Hegseth...This is maximum absolute.” (50:36, Alex Jones)

• Nothing is Alex’s Side's Fault: Dan notes,

  “It’s not even a possibility that Alex can consider that maybe Pete Hegseth did something wrong.” (51:01) The conversation becomes overtly conspiratorial and gossipy—palace intrigue filling the void of any credible story or opposition.

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Right-Wing Media Cannibalism & Trump Loyalty (52:04–59:25)

• Factions Splinter: Dan and Jordan dissect the ongoing fragmentation on the American right. With Trump now in full power, feuding between personalities—from Loomer to Fuentes—becomes rampant.
• Team Sports Morality: As Dan puts it:

  “If you're in a war against the devil, you kill the devil if you have the chance...the only audience that the palace intrigue stuff appeals to are entirely passive folks who are ready to accept any explanation.” (52:04-53:44)

• Strategic Collapse: Dan’s blunt: “Alex's angle on this raises more questions than it answers. And that's strategically really bad for him.” (53:44)
• Jordan on Governance:

  “It turns out getting together a bunch of whiny babies who can't think one year ahead is not a good long-term governance strategy.” (59:25)

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Alex Jones’s Partisan Pivot & Rationalization (60:43–68:38)

• Alex Tries to Explain:

  “That's why I said the left right paradigm is false. I coined that term...Now you're saying we're Republicans. Now you're saying we're right wing. Back then it was totally controlled...It turned out we were able to reform because it was Christians and others. The Republican Party part, imperfect, but it's day and night.” (60:43, Alex Jones)

• Dan’s Analysis:

  “This is an explanation that's meant to justify his change in behavior, not an actual shift in American politics.” (65:39)

• Independence Lost: Dan theorizes Alex’s financial and legal entrapment—his debts mean he can’t afford to cross Trump-aligned sponsors or partners. “He’s no longer independent....Nothing can be truly sincere.” (68:38)

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The “Secretary of Retribution” & Loyalty Oaths (71:09–78:13)

• Ivan Raichlin’s Petty Grievance:

  "If I was talking to President Trump, he's got to look him...in the mirror and decide for himself is he going to be a wartime...president. Because we are at...the apex of the 1770s meets 1860s meets 1960s.” (73:47, Ivan Raichlin) Dan notes this is mostly sour grapes over not being given power.

• Demand for Loyalty Oaths: Calls for Trump officials to pledge public loyalty like medieval vassals. Jordan lampoons the idea with a historical parody:

  “So you're in 1350...You gotta come to the court. You gotta publicly pledge your loyal[ty]...then I'm gonna chop your wife's head off.” (77:21, Jordan)

• Dictatorship Logic:

  “They rightfully complain about dictators making people do loyalty oaths...then they turn around and ask for loyalty oaths. What world are we living in?” (78:13, Dan)

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Closing Reflections: A New (Darker) Alex Jones (79:15–End)

• Martial Law for “Freedom”: Alex proposes martial law to prevent...martial law:

  “They brought us here. They're doing it. They're the ones that want martial law, not us. But in response to them, we have martial law.” (79:15, Alex Jones)

• Dan’s Breaking Point:

  “Who cares, man? Give up.” (79:25) The hosts reflect on Alex’s irreversible transformation: “What he is now is a new thing. And we may just have to accept that.” (81:09, Dan)

• Character Study of Corruption: Jordan encapsulates the moral collapse:

  “I was always seeking to create a white nationalist imperialist state under a racist dictator. I always wanted that. But that wasn't acceptable for me to advocate for right in the past. So I pretended. I love the Constitution.” (82:02)

• Closing Metaphor: Jordan:

  “I definitely feel very uncharted. Not because it's, like, so unexpected or the events themselves are unusual for humans...it's just all the toys are so different.” (83:09)

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• On the Use of Force
  “I've studied the military...If he did [commit the strike], it's legal and lawful. Obviously...The mission: kill people, break things.”
  — Alex Jones (40:03)
• On Hypocrisy
  “This position...cannot be reconciled with his political beliefs when Obama and Bush were in office.”
  — Dan (41:49)
• On Palace Intrigue
  “Infowar has mostly become a gossip show about palace intrigue and people speculating on the fantasy coup plots that are going on behind every closed door.”
  — Dan (51:01)
• On the Trump Coalition
  “Their coalition is made up of people who fundamentally do not like each other. So ironically, their best case scenario is to be chasing power but never actually having it.”
  — Dan (59:25)
• On Alex’s Evolution
  “This is an explanation that's meant to justify his change in behavior, not an actual shift in American politics.”
  — Dan (65:39)
• On Martial Law to Prevent Martial Law
  “They brought us here. They're doing it. They're the ones that want martial law, not us. But in response to them, we have martial law.”
  — Alex Jones (79:15)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:59–16:07 - Banter, Bright Spots, Cheesy Disappointment, MacGyver Recap
• 16:07–34:08 - Alex Jones’s Boat War/Coup Narrative; War Crimes Debate
• 44:24–52:04 - Laura Loomer Segment, Coup Claims, Right-Wing Gossip
• 52:04–59:25 - Collapse of Right-Wing Media Unity, Internal Attacks
• 60:43–68:38 - Alex’s Partisan Rationalization and Financial Entanglements
• 71:09–78:13 - Ivan Raichlin’s “Retribution,” Calls for Loyalty Oaths
• 79:15–End - Martial Law Paradox, Closing Meditations on Alex’s Transformation and the Show’s Future

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Tone & Takeaway

The episode blends acerbic wit, exhaustion, and moral horror as Dan and Jordan confront an InfoWars ecosystem lost in self-contradiction and cruelty. Their sober analysis underscores the show’s broader motif: when conspiracy theorists lose all external enemies, their moral narratives collapse inward—leaving only opportunism, circular logic, and a parade of new villains, real or imagined.

This is not just a critique of Alex Jones, but a case study in the descent of the wider reactionary movement as it eats itself from within.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Caller]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Alert.

[Alex Jones]

Not Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray.

[Laura Loomer]

I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Laura Loomer]

Knowledge Fight. Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy and Kansas. Andy. Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a fish cream color.

[Ivan Raichlin]

I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word.

[Laura Loomer]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan Jourdan. I have a quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today?

[Dan]

What date is it?

[Jordan]

It is. I actually don't know. Is it the 30th? How many days are they? 29th. December 29th.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

All right. Well that means that it's my bright spot.

[Dan]

First you've learned.

[Jordan]

How about that? It only took us till December 31st.

[Dan]

Yep. And now we're going to flip it back to normal.

[Jordan]

My bright spot is the reason that we are recording this early on Monday instead of Sunday. I spent the weekend with my family and had a lovely post Christmas celebration kind of thing.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

It was great. We all got along fine.

[Dan]

Almost died in the fog.

[Jordan]

Here's well the way home. Yeah. The other bright spot is surviving it.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

On the right back apparently 80 was destroyed by a freezing cold winter hurricane thing which covered in fog and rain and all that stuff and we barely escaped it. Barely white knuckled our way home, got our pups and made it into Chicago and we're fine. It was great. Other than being terrifying. Right. It was like, you know, it's edge of your seat. It was a. It was a roller coaster ride. Yeah.

[Dan]

It's like a boss battle that you finish with a sliver of life.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're like I did it. I don't know how or why.

[Dan]

Now I gotta go. Healing potion my ass.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. I'm gonna go rest at the campsite.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

That's the plan there.

[Dan]

Well, it's nice. I'm glad you had a nice little trip.

[Jordan]

Is wonderful, sweet. Absolutely. And how about yourself? What day is it?

[Dan]

It is the Same day. And because of that, we are still in December. And I'm celebrating cheese even though the Advent calendar ended on the 24th.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And since we're so close to the new year, I got a special cheese for the new year.

[Alex Jones]

I wake up at like 3am God wakes me up and tells me something, and then he says, it's, you know, time to get cheesy.

[Laura Loomer]

And I yes, yes, yes.

[Alex Jones]

God gives you the options. Cheddar cheese, Velveeta cheese. Pepper Jack Cheese. Cheese. Please. Swiss cheese. Cheese. Give me cheese or give me death.

[Dan]

Thank you to Gary for that one.

[Jordan]

That one was solid.

[Dan]

That's fantastic.

[Jordan]

That was great. Yep.

[Dan]

So today I've got a special. I would say that this is New Year's themed a little bit. This is champagne cheese. Ooh, Champagne cheddar.

[Jordan]

Okay. Is it from the champagne region of France or is it just named Champagne Cheese?

[Dan]

Now, here's the thing.

[Jordan]

What is the thing?

[Dan]

It says it's imported from England, but I've got red flags even on that. I'm not sure that that's true. But if it is, then it's not champagne. This should be sparkling cheese. Sparkling cheese.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So I'm gonna open this up and give it a try. And Jordan's gonna vamp.

[Jordan]

Wonderful. Here's the thing about vamping today is I'm gonna use to tell everybody that my niece, the second child of my brother, has finally smiled at me. And she even said a word to me. She said hello. She also screamed at me a couple of times. And she made eye contact. This. This little girl has made eye contact with everybody else in my family. Up until yesterday, it was me alone who had nothing, who had no relationship with her. And so it was a bright shining thing that happened to me while at the same time also, she's three years old, so I don't know if any of this is going to last tomorrow. Could be she forgotten my name entirely, but I won one. And so I'm going to take it as a victory and call it a day.

[Dan]

I raise my cheese to you, sir.

[Jordan]

Yes, absolutely. A champagne cheese Clink.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's great. I don't know. I don't taste champagne in there at all. Well, the whiskey cheddar definitely had more of whiskey to it. This is not. I don't know, it's just a regular.

[Jordan]

Cheddar that they're trying to make celebratory.

[Dan]

No, it tastes probably always eat a cheddar.

[Jordan]

He'll always eat a cheddar.

[Dan]

Yeah, Keep it sharp. I'M in.

[Jordan]

What is the sharpness on cheddar actually mean? Like, there's extra sharp cheddar. There's sharp cheddar. There's the. I don't know what that means, though. I don't eat cheese.

[Dan]

You know what?

[Alex Jones]

I don't either.

[Dan]

But I do.

[Jordan]

Hey.

[Dan]

Hey.

[Jordan]

You were looking at me like I'm crazy and then.

[Dan]

No, I was looking at you like that because I was worried.

[Jordan]

You don't know either.

[Dan]

It's a tartness. There's kind of like a soury. It's a more heightened. One of the reasons I struggle with answering this question is sharp feels like so. Right. It's the right word.

[Jordan]

Really?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay. See, that's the thing. I don't like cheese on the whole, so I don't understand your cheese lingo.

[Dan]

You know, with spiciness. You know, you've got the Scoville unit.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And so you can kind of discuss it in that. I don't know if there is the equivalent cheesel unit. There might be. I just don't know. But, yeah, I like really sharp. I like a sharp cheddar.

[Jordan]

You like a kick. All right, I'll take it.

[Dan]

So this cheese is a little bit of a dud. That is good, because I have a second bright spot.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

And that is that we could not end the year off without another episode of MacGyver. Ooh, back on my bullshit.

[Jordan]

All right, first question. Smooches. No smooches.

[Dan]

This episode is decidedly not about kissing. Okay, no kissing.

[Jordan]

No smooching.

[Dan]

Nope. You know what I should have done when we. When I opened the cheese and vamped? You should have tried to guess what the plot of this.

[Jordan]

I mean, here's the problem. Once you have established that already, we could just be mad at ants. That leaves everything open. Like, I wouldn't be surprised if there was an episode where I was like, is that actually an alien stealth move? And then at the end, they just kind of disappear and you're like, could be.

[Dan]

So this episode is about a guy who's going to testify against his brother who runs a drug operation. Mafia thing.

[Jordan]

Snitch.

[Dan]

Yeah, but he has a. You know, he's doing it because a kid that he works with got hotshot, and he died from the drugs.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, that's rough. Hard to make that decision to snitch or not to snitch there is difficult.

[Dan]

I think that the way that this episode plays out, snitch is the right option.

[Jordan]

Justice sucks.

[Dan]

The brother sucks.

[Jordan]

Right. Fair enough.

[Dan]

So he goes over to MacGyver's house to meet up with the federal marshals. So now we know where MacGyver lives. He has an apartment in California, which he. I swear to God, he lived at a planetarium in the first episode. This makes no sense. So he goes over there to meet up with the guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He ends up getting kidnapped while MacGyver's getting him coffee. Naturally, MacGyver's gotta go save him, of course, and return him to the marshals. But he wants to go talk to his mom for the last time. His mom's in the hospital. And so he's like, I gotta go talk to my mom. And the marshals are like, no, your brother will be there.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. That would be how it works.

[Dan]

Yeah. And so he's like, macgyver, go talk to my mom.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

So MacGyver has to go talk to his mom.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

He delivers this message from her son.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And she's like, I'm dying. Naturally, I know I'm dying.

[Jordan]

Did he go through the window? Did he, like, have to sneak it in there or just. Front door.

[Dan]

MacGyver walked in the front door and is having a great time with her.

[Jordan]

I was really thinking he would have to climb in through the window of some sort.

[Dan]

Seems like they hit it off to the point where later he tells the guy, give your mom a kiss for me. So maybe there is some smooch.

[Jordan]

So there is a smooch there? Yeah.

[Dan]

No reply to smooch.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. But there is.

[Dan]

So, yeah. MacGyver's talking to her. She's like, I'm dying. I know it. I want to talk to my son one last time. Can you bring him here?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So MacGyver's like, I gotta bring the kid here. No.

[Alex Jones]

Right, Right.

[Dan]

So he goes to the marshals, and he's like, I gotta get this message to the witness. His mom wants to talk to him. Marshall's like, no, of course not.

[Jordan]

What are we doing here?

[Dan]

So MacGyver has to kidnap him. He kidnaps him from federal custody.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

To get him to the hospital to say goodbye to his mom.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But, yeah. The other brother has taken the mom out of the hospital and put her in his fortress of a home. So now MacGyver with the witness.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Has to break into the mob guy's house now in order for the guy to say goodbye to his mom. Sure. Which everyone knows is a trap.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's the most obvious trap there's ever been.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So the guy's got to get in there to say goodbye to his mom, and then MacGyver's got to break him out.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

Whoa.

[Dan]

What excitement.

[Jordan]

I say this. I have. I struggle with plots that I feel are entirely self inflicted, you know, like, that's. That's one of those things where if I watch a plot and I go, you guys should just not be doing this, and it would be fine. That's. That's a bummer. I tend to turn it off.

[Dan]

I did. I was riveted. I thought it was fantastic. Because the stakes of it are so, like, I just want to say goodbye to my mom.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I want to do the right thing. Right. In terms of testifying against my brother, sure. But I got to say goodbye to my mom.

[Jordan]

There. There is a higher justice. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

And.

[Dan]

And everything is so fucking stupid. Like, the way that MacGyver does all this stuff is, you know, it's parodied for a reason.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. How does he.

[Alex Jones]

We.

[Jordan]

Are we at paperclip level? Because I feel like solving things purely via paperclip wasn't until later on.

[Dan]

No. He has to hack or hotwire a car using just a paperclip and this. But he also clears out a federal courthouse using dry ice pop rocks, and soda in the air vents, which is great.

[Jordan]

I mean, I do like that he solves problems with creativity.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

You know?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That is the best part.

[Dan]

And I think that there's a lot of, like, one of the unsung pieces of why this show works is you're often watching him solve problems and he's silent, and you're like, what the fuck is he doing?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then it all pays off together. You know, like that kind of like he builds these contraptions.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And you're having fun watching him do it, and you're like, how's that gonna do anything?

[Alex Jones]

Ah.

[Jordan]

In a way, it's like, In a way, MacGyver is the precursor to Mythbusters.

[Dan]

It's the reason it's necessary. Those guys wouldn't have a job if it wasn't for MacGyver. That is true. Yeah. So one other thing. There's no kissing. But we did learn something about who this guy is.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And MacGyver is right. His backstory, present story.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Okay. The marshal is telling the witness, you're gonna testify. We're gonna have you at a safe house during the trial. And then MacGyver takes over, and he'll give you a new identity. So what? So MacGyver is working with the Federal government in a capacity that he's able to make people disappear.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And give them new identities.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

So it might be that his job is that he's a witness protection guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But then I don't know why he's doing the ant thing.

[Jordan]

I mean, I appreciate. I appreciate a jack of all trades. My problem here is I wonder what his LLC is. Like, how does his contracting work? Because we're talking about sums of money from the government and also from over overseas, presumably.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So his. I would not want to try and itemize that. And then you're talking about travel expenses. Purely. Like, is he. Is he running game? Is he having, like, business lunches? You know what I'm saying? Like, what's this man up to?

[Dan]

Is he trying to expense the coffee?

[Jordan]

Exactly. Yeah. Can you trust MacGyver with. With your corporate.

[Dan]

One last thought that I had.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

While watching it was like, I love this world so much because there's clarity. If you are a bad guy in this world and you see MacGyver give up, like, it's awesome. He doesn't hate you, but you're not going to win. It's like, it's so clear. Everything's so clear. Everyone's stupid if they think that they're going to get a one over on MacGyver.

[Jordan]

Okay, let me ask you this question. I'll ask you one question about MacGyver. All right? Maybe we'll do this every time. Maybe I get one question about MacGyver every. Every episode.

[Dan]

I'll allow two.

[Jordan]

Okay. When we're dealing with MacGyver.

[Alex Jones]

All right.

[Jordan]

As compared to, like a CSI or like, I'm in the FBI show, you know, one of those. And there's always that moment in the FBI where it's like, I'm all about this. We gotta get that guy. Is MacGyver more detached? Like.

[Alex Jones]

Yes.

[Jordan]

I'm out here just trying to do my job, buddy.

[Dan]

No, no, he's not just trying to do his job. He seems like he's annoyed a lot of the time, or almost like, more interested in the little machines and the.

[Jordan]

Little tricks that he can.

[Dan]

So, like, there's a. There's one thing. Here's what I would say.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This answers your question, and it doesn't.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

The best kind of answer, the opening of MacGyver is a bunch of clips from episodes. And it ends. The intro music ends with him going like. Like letting out a sigh of like. Like, good thing.

[Jordan]

I'm done with that.

[Dan]

Yeah. And that kind of feels like, what that feels spiritually, like, that's his vibe.

[Jordan]

I just got to. I just got to get through this. And I'll be like, all right, now back to true crime.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I think.

[Dan]

I think that there is a feeling like he must have hobbies that you would rather be doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, okay.

[Dan]

But his hobbies might just be, like, improvising devices and stuff.

[Jordan]

All right, I like it. End of question.

[Dan]

And compared to all those other shows, like, he clearly doesn't act like a cop.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, he does not have any problem breaking into places and stuff. So, like, he just kind of feels like, hey, I'm that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was the best. No, I was. I'm thinking about this because I was watching a little Bit of Fringe. I was rewatching a little Bit of Fringe. Man, those people just pop out guns all the goddamn time.

[Dan]

Just boom. Gun scientists.

[Jordan]

Just. All the time. There's a gun in everybody's fucking face.

[Dan]

But to be fair, that the lady is. She's an agent.

[Jordan]

She is an agent.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I just feel like everybody's got gun into your face.

[Dan]

Yeah. John Noble never has guns.

[Jordan]

No. No. All the best characters in all of these shows do not use guns.

[Dan]

Astrid doesn't use guns. Nope.

[Jordan]

Not once.

[Dan]

Yep. The cow doesn't use guns.

[Jordan]

The cow does use guns, actually.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, that's true. Forgot about that episode. That was a weird episode.

[Jordan]

It was a weird episode.

[Dan]

Utter gun.

[Jordan]

Utter guns.

[Alex Jones]

Utter gun.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So today, Jordan, we have an episode to go over. We're going to be talking about December 3, 2025, on Alex's show. I think we are beginning something that will probably up the next months of our lives.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

There is a trajectory that Alex has set himself on that I think is, in a large part, a reaction to those moments, those big inflection moments that we've been talking about and Charlie Kirk's assassination.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

I think that these things have set a course, and now they're starting to come to fruition. Gotcha. In Alex's destiny. We'll talk a little bit about this episode, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, why can't the French count to four? They always run into the tree. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Isn't it trois?

[Jordan]

I have no idea. Is it a joke?

[Dan]

I mean, I feel like it's supposed to be a joke, but.

[Jordan]

Right. Well, I mean, it's A joke on tree. And three, presumably, but in French it's trois.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which is that what a tree is a tree. Also a twa.

[Dan]

Well, the cat is up in the twa.

[Alex Jones]

Next.

[Jordan]

Moving on.

[Dan]

Cussler Hustlers, the world's only Dirk Pitt podcast. Would love to hear Dan rap Neil Cicarega's song. Wow. Wow. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

No, we just had our first child and named him Owen Sawyer, which my brother thinks is a little too close. Also, Alex's voice is surprisingly soothing to fall asleep to for me, not the baby. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonky.

[Jordan]

I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much.

[Dan]

And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much. To knowledge Fight is our post sex cigarette. Thank you so much. You're now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Ivan Raichlin]

Four star.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

You're nasty. Yeah, but thank you.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

Gross. Yeah.

[Dan]

So today we start off on December 3rd, where Alex is starting off and it is about them boats. Okay? Them boats.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance. Live from the Infowars.com studios, it's Alex Jones. 317 days into the return of the Trump administration, we are now at the moment of truth. If they can take out Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth for following Trump's legal and lawful orders, then they will obviously then launch impeachment against Trump for war crimes. The UN will pile on. We know where this is all going. Obama blew up thousands and thousands of people on the seas and in their homes and at weddings.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

And said that they had the executive power. Now, you can argue those were war crimes, but what Trump is doing is light years more constitutional.

[Dan]

This is a bad argument that Alex is making, and it's only one he has to make because of the horrible bed that he's made for himself to lie in. The attacks that Alex is talking about with Obama were awful, and he's right to be critical of them. But unfortunately, now he's gotten himself in a situation where he needs to find a way to justify the guys he likes to doing the same kind of stuff. Yeah. At the core, what Alex is expressing is that he doesn't really care about killing non combatants. He's neutral at best on whether or not the military should commit war crimes. The only relevant variable is whether or not he likes the people doing the war crimes and if he feels personally connected to the power that those people hold. If it's Obama doing it, Alex is able to grandstand about how wrong these kinds of attacks are. If it's Trump and Hegseth doing it, the attacks are actually very constitutional. Here is where this kind of argument lives or dies. It's now Alex's responsibility to explain the difference between what Obama was doing and what Hegseth is doing. What is the critical difference that makes one act of killing civilians you've determined are terrorists a war crime, whereas the other one is a legal constitutional act.

[Jordan]

Parentheses are.

[Dan]

The best I think Alex can do is that, like, they're closer to the United States. And I don't think that works. Yeah. When someone advances contradictory positions and can't explain to you the reason why these situations are different and how the circumstances make their position not contradictory, you should feel a complete freedom to not take them seriously. This isn't the behavior of someone who's actually interested in ideas. It's the mark of someone who's trying to justify something they shouldn't.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. It's a. I mean, after. After you can have the secret torture memo, you know, and it's like, why wouldn't you just do a secret memo for all the illegal and unconstitutional shit you want to do? Get a constitutional lawyer to make some stuff up and then put it in a box and then tell nobody about it, and then you can do whatever you want.

[Dan]

And I think that. I think that that's what Alex would do with this boat, right? The boat stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, I mean, you know, I have not seen any president in my lifetime not commit a war crime. None of them have been like, hey, knock it off.

[Dan]

Well, it feels to me like the Constitution and all this stuff exists as, like, kind of imaginary technicalities.

[Jordan]

It does.

[Dan]

And Alex cheers on people trying to get around them when he likes them. Right. Insists everyone follow different rules when he doesn't like them.

[Jordan]

Right. It feels like the Constitution is more like you just need to put more effort into it to break those rules. And so most people in the government are, like, a little too lazy to go that far. It's just too much work.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. There's no rule that says a horse can't kick nuke.

[Jordan]

That's true. Yeah, nobody wrote it down. A dog can play fucking basketball, my man.

[Dan]

Right? Yeah, I saw that. Saw that film. It's good film. It's film.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

Make no mistake. So the globalists are making their move on Pete Hegseth. All right, it's all this is just.

[Alex Jones]

Critical and you notice that this week, but tomorrow they're going to release the Signal Gate stuff from the beginning of the administration where he got set up with the CIA head and others trying to leak stuff out to make some of the strikes the Middle east on the Houthis look badly done or that he's not following intelligence rules. So that's all been set and now that's coming out the next few days. South park produced it weeks ago, but has their, their special out about Hegset this week. And so here's the big news. Let me just announce it. There is a live deep state Pentagon coup going right now to remove Hegseth. And if they're able to do that, they believe the path is clear. The globalists will have control of the Pentagon with who they're trying to replace him with and then they're going to make their move on Trump.

[Dan]

Alex is trying to paint the picture that the globalists are directing all of this attention against Hegseth because they're trying to oust him. When in reality really just feels like Hegseth is getting criticized for bad stuff that he's done. The blowing up of boats shit is unacceptable. His revealing of military actions in advance on Signal is sloppy and dangerous. And Alex is exaggerating his importance to this season of South Park. He's a bit, he's a bit player in the whole thing. J.D. vance and Peter Thiel are way more central characters, as is Satan. Yeah, well, for the people he's invested in supporting, any negative attention they get will be reported by Alex as a sign of their virtue. And that's a double edged sword. On the one hand it makes his job easier with hand waving away horrible things that his guys do. But on the other hand it limits his ability to engage with reality. And it makes him seem really out of touch to anybody who isn't already a fan of his. And he needs to stop saying making their move. He says that too much.

[Jordan]

What? Okay, so they're making their move. They oust Hegseth who can only be ousted presumably by Trump ousting him. Right.

[Dan]

So then maybe Congress. Sure.

[Jordan]

Oh well, let's hope. Yeah, an act of Congress would have an effect.

[Dan]

Then maybe Trump could then override or something.

[Jordan]

Let's hope a lot of stuff. And let's hope it never gets tested.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

So then. Then there's an interim guy that Trump is appointed, and then there's an actual guy that Trump has appointed. So should Hegseth be ousted, Trump will still be appointing the guy.

[Dan]

Right, Right. But maybe congressional approval is needed for that appointment.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Okay. So the globalist plan includes somehow influencing Trump to then appoint another guy that would oust him.

[Dan]

Maybe. Here's the basic sketch of it. Okay. The globalists, under King Podesta, who is the greatest military planner of all time.

[Jordan]

I feel like that's not true.

[Dan]

Has come up with the movie Civil War and one battle after another, which Alex has not seen, but he has a feeling about.

[Jordan]

It's a pretty good movie.

[Dan]

And these reveal the battle plan where they're going to create a civil war in the United States.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Now, the only thing that could go wrong is if the military stays loyal to Trump during the civil War. Right. They can't have that.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

So they need to oust Hegseth because he's loyal to Trump.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Anybody else? Shaky, dubious loyalty at Quest, naturally. So once they get him out, they can start trying to impeach Trump and in the process launch the civil war where the military won't be under Hegseth. Who will keep them loyal to Trump in the coming movie of a that Alex hasn't seen.

[Jordan]

I'll say this for this plan. Generally speaking, the military doesn't stay on one side in a civil war.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

They split up. Otherwise, you don't really have a civil war. You've got one military massacring a bunch of people.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it. It's dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it's. It's what Alex has to do.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

You know.

[Jordan]

No, it's fair.

[Dan]

This is the way that, like, everything has to be the domino that knocks over everything else.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or else why are we talking about it so much?

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

Why? Why? Why did God direct you to do this episode?

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Because if we don't protect Hegseth, then the. Everyone's dead.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

Right. There's no possible way of being like, hey, if you commit an illegal act, you should be justiced.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Consequences.

[Dan]

And you should have consequences.

[Jordan]

Go to a law place.

[Dan]

Yep, yep. So Alex is like, he totally got this Hegseth story on his own. He totally did. He has a lot of sources. But also Laura Loomer's been tweeting about.

[Alex Jones]

It, and we've got a lot of people in the Pentagon that are obviously giving us information. I'll leave it at that. And so I was already planning to come on air today and say they're launching their full coup against Hegseth and explaining it. Then Laura Loomer and you know, say what you want about Laura. She's really smart, does a lot of great investigative reporting. I get mad at her because she in fights and loves drama queening and stuff which she thinks she's targeting bad people. I think it's overall destructive. We may lose the house now because mtg's leaving but. But whatever. She's still a good person and means well. And when she says she has the sources, she does because when I read this, it's all dead on. And I'm talking to her right now. She's trying to get to a place where she has good Internet so she can come on. I may just get her on via phone. I was just talking to her five minutes ago. Exclusive. Secretary of the Army's office plotting a coup at the Pentagon to remove Secretary of Defense peak headset and replace him with the deep staters. It's a long post on X. It's dead on. I don't just believe her and her sources and she's been proven to be dead on. I already have most of this reverse engineered.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, you figured it all out.

[Jordan]

Most of it.

[Dan]

So also the Secretary of the army is someone who was appointed by Trump, went to college with J.D. vance.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

I don't know. I don't know where the. I don't know. Man.

[Jordan]

It is. It is really hard to not take responsibility when there's literally nobody else there. Yeah, it's really hard to do you.

[Dan]

Kind of start after blaming each other, start blaming each other, find people who are on the edges.

[Caller]

Right.

[Dan]

Maybe like the Secretary of War.

[Jordan]

It is. It is so funny how much these people just need there to be a solid and competent Democratic Party. Otherwise they just hate each other because they're a bunch of idiots.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It seems pretty obvious now.

[Dan]

So I think that Alex totally reverse engineered all this. He's not just woken up and seen a tweet from Laura Loomer and decided we're going to run with this. Very, very. It's plausible and believable and cool.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And also Alex has his own reporters at the White House. Like Brianna Morello is over there at the White House. She's talking to the Pentagon, right?

[Alex Jones]

No, the Pentagon today has all these reporters with their chief accountant. Our own Brianna Morello is in three hour meetings right now with the head accountant of the Pentagon with total transparency about where the tens of trillions missing is. And Rumsfeld two days before 911 gave a press conference about 2.2 trillion missing. And the 911 happened. Now it's over, what, 15 trillion or something? Some numbers are 20 trillion. I mean, our reporter is there right now, right now in the Pentagon meeting on this. You want reform? You want transparency? You got it with eggseth.

[Dan]

It's interesting that Alex is saying this, because just a week or two after this episode was recorded, news broke that the Pentagon had failed its eighth straight audit. To explain what this means, I'll read to you from an article on Military.com's auditors examine whether systems accurately track spending, assets, liabilities, and inventory. That includes everything from payroll to contracts to facilities, vehicles, aircraft, ships, and spare parts. The process also evaluates whether internal controls are strong enough to prevent errors and ensure reliable reporting. A clean audit opinion would signal that the Pentagon can consistently account for its resources and spending. Failing the audit means auditors identified material weaknesses that prevent them from reaching that conclusion. Alex is trying to present this image that Hegseth is running the Pentagon as some kind of fully transparent operation, but it's really as bad or worse than ever. This is an administration that will happily associate with an Infowars reporter, though. So that's going to affect the kind of coverage that Alex gives them.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Which is pathetic.

[Jordan]

Wasn't that one of the first, like, big things that people talk about Sanders doing on the national level is working with some other republic guy to actually audit the. The Pentagon or the military?

[Dan]

Probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Man.

[Jordan]

Do you know how it went?

[Caller]

Not good.

[Dan]

No. A lot of, like, there's just stuff that can't ever be done.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In the world that we've created for ourselves.

[Jordan]

No. Somebody just described the military as like a big, open money pit, and they just keep throwing money in there. Nobody knows how much. Nobody knows where it goes.

[Dan]

Right. And you know what? But you not wanting to throw money in there makes me think that you don't like America.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

You want us to be vulnerable.

[Jordan]

And let me tell you something. If you don't throw money in there, it turns out that thing eats people. It eats people with guns.

[Dan]

Yeah. I have interesting feelings about this, I guess that, like, I don't think Hegseth is necessarily to blame for the Pentagon failing an audit.

[Jordan]

Kind of. Yeah.

[Dan]

He's to blame for not demanding that they pass it.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

But it's a. It's a. It's an institutional rot. Kind of problem that we've just all gotten complacent about.

[Jordan]

Right. If. If it were possible for him to even. Should he be like, I demand we pass this audit. If it were possible, it probably would have happened in the past 50 years.

[Dan]

At least once, maybe. And it's theoretically possible.

[Jordan]

It is theoretically possible, but it's.

[Dan]

I don't know enough to know. Like, what would have to go into. How many secret projects would we have to put on ledgers?

[Jordan]

I mean, no, the amount of money they get is crazy enough as it is. We don't want to find out actually how much money they get. Jesus.

[Dan]

Yeah, maybe we would, but that's a Band Aid coming off kind of moment.

[Jordan]

Well, you got to give them all that stuff, otherwise people will eat or.

[Dan]

Those boats won't sink. So Alex plays a clip of Trump discussing Hegseth sinking these boats. Right. And how he's fine with it, of course.

[Alex Jones]

So let's go to a clip from yesterday where Trump does back Hegseth. Well, you better back him. You told him to do it. I looked at the law, the Constitution, the president set by Jefferson. 100% you have that. But now it's a perception battle, so you better keep backing them. Here's a clip.

[Laura Loomer]

As far as the attack is concerned, I didn't. You know, I still haven't gotten a lot of information because I rely on Pete.

[Jordan]

How is that possible?

[Laura Loomer]

It was an attack. It wasn't one strike, two strikes, three strikes. Somebody asked me a question about the second strike. I didn't know about the second strike. I didn't know anything about people. I wasn't involved in it. I knew they took out a vote. But I would say this. They had a strike. I hear the gentleman that was in charge of that is extraordinary, extraordinary person. I'll let Pete speak about him. But Pete was satisfied. Pete didn't know about second attack having to do with two people. And I guess Pete would have to speak to it. I can say this. I want those boats taken out.

[Dan]

So you may notice that Trump brought up something about a second strike, which isn't a detail of the story that Alex has talked about yet. This is in reference to an attack on a boat that Hegseth carried out which resulted in a capsized boat and two survivors trying to cling to that wreckage. Our forces fired on them again, which killed the remaining people.

[Alex Jones]

Blegh.

[Dan]

Even if you believe that these people were narco terrorists who were captaining boats full of drugs to the United States in order to kill Americans, there doesn't seem to be a justification to kill the survivors of the first attack. There's no reason they couldn't have just been apprehended at that point and made to stand trial for whatever offenses they were accused of. So firing on them again really just feels like state murder, which Alex is notorious for pretending to be opposed to. It's just. It doesn't. You really. You really struggle to see the.

[Jordan]

The point that is. That is the type of shit. Like, it should be undeniable now. It should be undeniable. No one should be able to deny it. Nobody should have a conversation about it. Because in a movie like fucking, I don't know, Red dawn or some shit, one of the most obvious ways that you make the bad guy appear the bad guy is they shoot defenseless people to death.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's us.

[Dan]

Yeah. And. And just, you know, so we're clear, let's make sure of all the details of what happened.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But let's not. Let's. Let's not kid ourselves.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you shoot at people who are in the water, I don't know, we're drowning.

[Jordan]

I don't know. You are to be more the bad guy. Yeah, it's. It's over the top. In movies, you go, jesus, no one would behave like that.

[Dan]

Mm. Yeah, it's. It's pretty bad.

[Jordan]

Well, there we go.

[Dan]

So Pete Hegseth, his whole thing is like. I didn't see it.

[Alex Jones]

He.

[Dan]

He signed off on the first attack, and then he went about his business and he missed the. The later stuff.

[Unknown Guest]

I watched that first strike live. As you can imagine, at the Department of War, we got a lot of things to do, so I didn't stick around for the hour and two hours, whatever, where all the sensitive site exploitation digitally occurred. So I moved on to my next meeting. A couple of hours later, I learned that that commander had made the. Which he had the complete authority to do. And by the way, Admiral Bradley made the correct decision to ultimately sink the boat and eliminate the threat. He sunk the boat. Sunk the boat and eliminated the threat. And he was the right call. We have his back. And the American people are safer because narco terrorists know you can't. If we can't bring drugs through the water and eventually on land, if necessary, to the American people, we will eliminate that threat, and we're proud to do it.

[Dan]

This story is obviously a bunch of bullshit, but I want to ignore that for a second just to bring into really sharp focus that listening to this explanation is insane. Pete Hexseth seems To be justifying the use of the military to kill people based solely on their involvement in drug trafficking. Are we in a very literal international war on drugs now? Like, this feels like an entirely unacceptable justification for what happened, even if you have a sincere desire to have less drugs enter the country. I can't come up with a way to say this strongly enough that it's pathetic for Alex to support this kind of shit now. Like, we understood that the war on drugs was a pretext for fucking over non white people. Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And police to get away with a lot more fucking over non white people.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Largely. I know.

[Dan]

Subsidiary benefit of more tickets.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right. Absolutely. Absolutely. Totally.

[Dan]

There's a financial side to it, too. We all understood that it was nonsense and it wasn't dealing with the issues that drugs represent. Right. And to imagine that we are now doing this internationally is so exhausting it.

[Jordan]

My first response to both of these assholes is exactly what happened when we were listening to those fucking depositions and Rob Dew is like, I don't know about this. You're. You're not allowed to not know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Even if you personally don't know or weren't there, you are representing the knowing of this.

[Dan]

Yeah. You have. You have. You're the Department of Defense. Who has now renamed himself the Department of War. Yes. Yeah. You have an obligation. If not you, then no one.

[Jordan]

No. And it's still your fault. That's the whole point of that. The system exists to hold the top accountable. Not so both the top and the bottom could go. It's not really our fault.

[Dan]

Right. You know, and the ideal situation is that when there are problems in the lower areas of command, let's say, sure. The higher area of command takes responsibility but solves those problems.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Does not skirt responsibility. Doesn't say like, hey, everything is actually cool.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

They say like, no, look, there's a problem here. We're going to. We're going to address this.

[Jordan]

Yep. Somebody's. I mean, at the end of the day, I. It used to be. It felt like everybody understood. Sometimes heads roll, and that's what keeps the people quiet. You know, you let you make some asshole resign for shit that's not his fault. But everybody goes, see, they did something. You know, it doesn't even feel like they bother with that shit anymore. They're just like, yeah, I murder people. Whatever.

[Dan]

Fuck you. Well, and it comes to what Alex is expressing with his Hegseth conspiracies. He's like, we must defend Hegseth. Because if we don't. Then the implication of him getting in trouble means the Trump should get in trouble. And Hegseth is defending everybody beneath him because he knows if I don't, then it implicates me and that like.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And no one will take responsibility at any point because of the implications of it.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Because they're just bad people.

[Dan]

Yes. But Alex has a defense of Hegseth and it sucks.

[Alex Jones]

I've studied the military. Never been in it, but I've studied it from the top to the bottom. I understand our military very well. But again, Hegseth didn't do what they said he did. If he did it, it's legal and lawful. Obviously they're trying to take how it works. You keep bombing it until it's totally destroyed. Everybody's dead. That's the mission. Kill people, break things. But they know the public doesn't understand this in general. So they're playing these games like everything else they do, over and over and over again. To do what? To say. Hag says illegitimate. Trump's illegitimate. Anybody that backs him is illegitimate.

[Dan]

This position that Alex is putting forward cannot be reconciled with his political beliefs when Obama and Bush were in office. His mentality is in direct opposition with his previous philosophy about war. And it's hard to put it any other way than to say that he's a boot looking warmonger. Yep. The Geneva Conventions are very clear about shipwrecked people, even people who were active combatants prior to being shipwrecked. Once their ship is wrecked, you can't just shoot them as they tread water. It doesn't seem to be even disputed by Hegseth, nor by Alex that they made a decision to kill the survivors of the first attack, which is a crime under international law. People aren't upset about this or pretending to be, just so they can have a reason to think that Hegseth or Trump are bad. They believe that Hank, Seth and Trump are bad because they do bad things. This being a prime example of that. There've been a lot of these kind of very clear moments in the past year or so, but this is another one of those Alex has lost his soul points. The person he's pretended to be in the 90s and 2000s never would have accepted the US government acting like this, let alone would he have been an active cheerleader for their attacks. It's crazy. The fact that he's saying that he didn't do this, and if he did, it's nothing wrong.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. That's crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's the parody of justification and.

[Jordan]

Spin, these people, it's. It's hard for them to. I just. They just don't understand how things work in reality. Like the Geneva Conventions, to them, they think of as limitations on what it is they're allowed to do.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

As opposed to a global agreement that if you wage total war on someone, you are opening yourself to total war being waged upon you.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

So the idea is, if you want to fucking fight each other, go to fight places. Otherwise it's totally fine for us to murder whomever the fuck we want and burn your shit to the fucking ground.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's what a lot of the people who are discussing, you know, like, people who write essays about the commentary about the second strike aspect of.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

That's one of their main points, is like, why would anybody ever follow rules of engagement against us?

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

If this is the way that we're behaving.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not. No, go fucking.

[Dan]

It's such a dangerous precedent to set in terms of, like, how. And sure. We're not perfect. Sure. And we've breached things a lot in the past.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

But when you're brazen about it and you're like, nah, this is just how we do things, that's a different countenance.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's absurd. Like, the idea we live in a world where fucking. Because somebody shot at somebody in Iraq, Trump drops the mother of all fucking bombs. You know, like, that's first term. Yeah, whatever.

[Dan]

That was. Chill Trump.

[Jordan]

That's. But the thing there is. We have already accepted that for this. This is the response. If you then do that to Venezuela, it is okay for Venezuela to go fuck you up. That is the implied thing that we have lived under the entire time.

[Alex Jones]

Right. Right.

[Dan]

And there's really. I mean, I'm not saying they should, obviously, but there's no reason that we would have a moral high ground if they did, like, a chemical attack or a terrorist attack of some sort.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

Like, the international structures of agreements and things that we use to, like, say what is right and what is wrong are things that we are violating wantonly.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If Venezuela bombed Jacksonville, we'd have to go like, yeah, well, that's what happened. It's our fault.

[Dan]

I definitely wouldn't, but, you know, you'd. What do you say?

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Hey, don't.

[Dan]

Yeah, I would say don't. I would say from an international perspective, you're like, what the fuck else are they gonna do?

[Jordan]

Right. Right. Right. Don't is a reasonable response.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Fuck.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, Laura Loomer. Comes on.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

She's got so many meetings, and Alex is able to get ahold of her to come in and do a little coverage.

[Alex Jones]

Laura, thank you for coming on. This is very urgent. I just wanted to get this out right now. Give us a boil down.

[Ivan Raichlin]

Yeah. Well, thanks so much for having me on, Alex. People can review this report on my ex account. And I broke a story the other day, the first day of the Pentagon press corps orientation, about this coup against Secretary of War Pete Hegseth. And my sources, high level sources here inside the Pentagon have told me that the. That the stories that are. That are being planted against Secretary of Warheadset are coming from inside Secretary of Army Dan Driscoll's office. And, you know, people have been following my reporting over the last few months. They know that I have, you know, called out the Army Secretary multiple times for some of his behavior since he has been the Army Secretary, including going jogging with Eugene Binman, one of the architects of the impeachment against President Trump. He colluded with his brother, Alexander Vindman, as you know, to highlighting and platforming a Medal of Honor recipient who spoke while in his uniform at the DNC convention in 2016 bashing President Trump. And we know that's a violation. You're not supposed to engage in partisan political behavior while you're in uniform.

[Dan]

Y' all are grasping at straws.

[Alex Jones]

Brutal.

[Dan]

Do you remember Trump's military parade? Man, this is. This is all very sad.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And one of the big pieces of evidence is this picture of him jogging with Vindamin's brother. Like, stop. Just stop. That's not evidence of a coup. I. I mean, Trump put the Secretary of the army in.

[Alex Jones]

He.

[Dan]

He nominated this guy. The guy went to college with Vance.

[Jordan]

I don't. I don't know what to say other than, you know, you should stop this.

[Dan]

Yeah, right.

[Jordan]

Listen to. You've heard your words before. They're being recorded right now.

[Dan]

Y. This is such silly levels of scapegoating that you're trying to engage in that all it really reveals is how deep underwater you are.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it is. I mean, again, like, it feels like I don't know how to go low. I don't know how to go lower, because I think creatively we are reaching the point at which evil is absurd for, like, pop culture, you know, like, for. For me to write a. A novel wherein this is the main character. People would just go, ah, come on, man. You're. It's cartoonishly evil. This person you're making I can't relate to them as a. As a moral being at all. It's almost like they're fucking inhuman.

[Caller]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, it's. You know, I resist that line of thought because that's how the. Down that road there be devils.

[Jordan]

I'm not talking about in real life. I'm talking about in. In fiction. I'm talking about literally writing it. People's. The review would be. I cannot relate to these. These villains.

[Dan]

See, I. This is where. This is where the distinction I'm trying to make. I think I can. Because everything makes sense from the position of being desperate. Sure. Money and jockeying for position in a new power system.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Like the right wing media that's evolved since Trump and especially since Trump won and whatever.

[Jordan]

Whatever this is, secretly won in 2020.

[Alex Jones]

Whatever.

[Jordan]

All of what we've been doing for a while is.

[Dan]

Yeah. This. This media space is like something that they. They all need to carve their piece out of. And I. The villainy and all this shit, like all the actions that you're saying wouldn't make sense. They do make sense.

[Jordan]

I. I don't. I'm not saying that. It's not that they don't make sense from a direct line to line point of view. It is that if you're. If you're engaging with people, it. Then your immediate reaction is revulsion. And then this behavior is that of a serial killer. This is a psychopath.

[Dan]

I think I know what you mean.

[Jordan]

You know, it's.

[Dan]

It's that this is not a compelling villain because their actions don't make sense outside of a villainous motive.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you have to be out there going for evil to do this shit.

[Dan]

A good wrestling heel, you kind of think like, they have a point, you know, like they're going about this wrong, but they got a point. Like Alex, in the past, maybe.

[Jordan]

No, absolutely.

[Dan]

Whereas this heel shit is just like. This isn't compelling. They know they're bad. They're being bad. Yeah, it's.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it is the difference between the Last Jedi and the Rise of Skywalker. The Last Jedi. Yeah. The old needs to be destroyed in favor of the new. What you do to go about that is the difference between heroism and villainy. Whereas the Rise of Skywalker is trash. Just like this administration.

[Dan]

I tuned out because I've forgotten those movies.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

So Alex and Loomer, they're on the same page about one thing, and that is that we must defend Pete Hegseth at all costs.

[Alex Jones]

This is me. Maximum red alert. If they can get Hegseth claiming he's a war criminal without any evidence, it'll kill all the investigations. Then they're going to try to impeach Trump. When they steal the midterms or even earlier come in with this war crime thing, they. They are full court press right now. So I know you got to go into another meeting. We actually got.

[Ivan Raichlin]

They want to get. They. They want to get somebody who's sympathetic with them in his role. They want to replace the Democrats, want to replace Pete Hegseb with Dan Driscoll.

[Alex Jones]

Which is why this is a Pentagon coup. I mean, exactly. Before they can do the larger Podesta plan Democrat coup, they've been calling for civil war, saying Trump's Hitler. The military needs a revolt. Well, you start. You start your revolt by removing the loyal Secretary of Defense. I mean, this is simple. He's the top domino, Hegseth, and the Pentagon's the ace of spades. I mean, this is. This is maximum absolute. Everybody needs you to be defending Hegseth, and instead it's, you know, they're making their main move against him. Laura and other people. It's like crickets. Thank God you're always there.

[Ivan Raichlin]

You know, sometimes they want to. They want to replace him because they want somebody who's not as conservative and pro Trump as Pete Hegseth. Because in order for them to be successful in their coup, not just against Hexath, but against President Trump, they need to stop the militarization of the borders. They have to stop the deployment of the National Guard to deal with riots.

[Alex Jones]

Which is all constitutional. Which is all constitutional, which they've said is illegal.

[Dan]

It's not even a possibility that Alex can consider that maybe Pete Hegseth did something wrong. There are negative stories about Hegseth in the media, and the only possible reason for that is that someone is trying to take him out so they can more easily take out Trump. Trump. Once again, the infowar has mostly become a gossip show about palace intrigue and people speculating on the fantasy coup plots that are going on behind every closed door. This happens when there's no credible villain for propagandists to deflect anger toward, and they refuse to accept that their side has all the power. Nick Fuentes doesn't have to do gossip shit. He can actually criticize the actions of the members of the Trump administration based on the things that they've done. And a major part of that is his willingness to accept that his side has all the power. Alex cannot do that, because once he accepts that his show means nothing. He's not in a political struggle. He's in a war against the devil. So if his side has all the power and they don't vanquish the devil, it's pretty obvious that they aren't in that same war with the devil. Or maybe they're working with the devil.

[Jordan]

Or maybe they suck.

[Dan]

In a political struggle, you can acknowledge that you have control of all three branches of the government and still have a reason not to force your agenda through. You could think that it could be seen as tyrannical, or it might backfire or whatever. If you're in a war against the devil, you kill the devil if you have the chance. Cause it's the devil. Subconsciously. This is the struggle that whatever audience Alex has left is going through. They're suffering from horrible cognitive dissonance about why the guy they elected to kill the devil seems to be working with the devil all the time, even though he has all the power. It doesn't make any sense why Trump hasn't arrested or killed Bill Gates or Fauci. Obviously the Constitution and law would stop him, but law is a human invention, and they're working for the devil. The devil doesn't have due process rights like the fucking people on those boats. Yep. As the audience has to deal with seeing Trump not defeat the devil, and as they watch Alex support him as he works with the devil, it requires them to come up with new explanations for why this shit is happening.

[Jordan]

Happening.

[Dan]

Alex is hoping that he can redirect people's attention with the palace intrigue and by replaying the hits of the deep state days. But he has much stronger competition in the bullshit media space now. This shit is just not gonna fly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is probably the worst way that Alex could play the situation because Trump's base is pissed right now and they're asking questions. The only audience that the palace intrigue stuff appeals to are entirely passive folks who are ready to accept any explanation someone gives them to any person listening, listening critically. Alex's angle on this raises more questions than it answers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's strategically really bad for him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if. If your response to this guy can murder people because he wants to, is it's constitutional. You've misunderstood. Even if that's the case, your response is, is, so we need to change the Constitution.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

Like, whether or not somebody has ever said this, okay. Is meaningless to me because it is not right.

[Dan]

But we short circuit that and we get around it by saying, like, you know what? You're not even actually mad about that. They're just tricking you into thinking that you're mad about that because the Secretary of the army wants to coup. Pete Hegsett.

[Jordan]

I love it when other people tell me what I'm thinking in my own brain.

[Dan]

Right. And what you're mad about.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's really nice of them.

[Dan]

But if you do that, you're able to get around the visceral feelings you have about, like, maybe we should change things so you can't just murder people on boats.

[Jordan]

Murder's bad.

[Dan]

Right. You know, like when there are mass shootings.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They get around whatever human feelings you have about it by being like, you only feel bad because the gun rights people are trying to attack the Second Amendment.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's how you get around that.

[Jordan]

Heading down the Mariana Trench. And we're going to see how far that motherfucker goes.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Pretty deep.

[Jordan]

Pretty deep.

[Dan]

So Alex explains that, like some of his audience, they're just not realists. They don't get. Harris could have won.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Alex Jones]

We just have a right to expose what they're up to, what they're engaged in and how they're trying to undermine and act like Trump's a dictator when he's not. It's the Democrats that want to sell this country out. Out. The Republicans, you know, have got their own problems. They've been a horrible party until recently, but we have formed a beachhead in the country in the government of real reform, and that's what's exciting. So, again, there's this paradox of people that have woken up who aren't realists, that don't have any depth or context. The appointees, by and large, of Trump have been excellent and are dismantling the globalist system. Trump's made major mistakes. His DOJ is a disaster. We're critical of that. And I don't put this out. I'm talking about put this out. I see comments on X like, oh, he's defending himself for being a, you know, sucking Trump's weenie or whatever. It's not about that. I don't say that to convince you that my positions were up. Right. I know my position's right. I'm asking you to be a realist and say, would you rather have Kamala Harris in right now?

[Dan]

The answer that Infowars should have to the question, would you rather Harris be president? Is probably yes, absolutely. From Alex's perspective, it would be way easier for him to make money if there was a credible opposition he was pretending to fight. But the real reason I say this is because of the philosophy that this show is built on. Electoral politics is not supposed to match the left right paradigm is an illusion that the globalists weaponize to control the public. Politicians are stage actors and they're all controlled except Ron Paul and anyone who gets cancelled for saying something really racist. What matters for the infowar is you. The listener, the individual is the most important thing. You're capable of making the changes that need to be made to save the world. And all the government can do is either get in your way or stay out of it. In terms of furthering the goals of waking up the public and uniting the team, I think that Alex's audience would be way better off if Harris had won. When Biden won, they all got together and stormed the Capitol. In 2024, when Trump won, there wasn't that kind of unity. All the attention economy scammers went into overdrive trying to carve out their own piece of the pie. And a giant civil war has broken out in their media, largely surrounding Israel and the Charlie Kirk murder. Murder. Right now, the only way Alex can use his time is trying to patch up holes in Trump's sinking ship. You know, explaining that Hegseth's illegal actions are totally legal, trying to spin fun threads about palace intrigue. It's all rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Conversely, if Harris had won, all of these right wing influencers would understand the importance of them working together and not trying to cannibalize each other for the sake of slightly increasing their own audience. Their coalition is made up of people who fundamentally do not like each other. So ironically, their best case scenario is to be chasing power but never actually having it right. Once there is actual power, it makes no sense to let these other folks you hate have a chance at grabbing that power. So the attacks ultimately turn inward. Candace Owens hates Laura Loomer. Nick Fuentes momentarily hated Tucker until he got on his show and humiliated him. The list goes on and on with these feuds. And the result of their fighting is a boost in negative headlines toward Trump world figures that each of these people sees as unaligned with themselves. Mix that up with actual journalists reporting on horrible things that Trump administration figures are doing, and you have a lot of holes that Alex has left running around to patch up, which leaves his content seeming really stupid. Some of these right wing media figures have been able to position themselves so that Trump winning is better for them. But most of them are people who are not connected personally to Trump Trump and are free to attack him. That's the people who benefit the most from Trump winning.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I would say that the. There are only people who should actually be glad that Harris didn't win are those folks. Everyone else, including the right wing movement in this country, would be way better off if the presumed greater of two evils had won and maintained a status quo that wasn't inwardly destructive.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, it turns out getting together a bunch of whiny babies who can't think one year ahead is not a good long term governance strategy. I can't believe that. It's just so shocking.

[Dan]

Right. And trying to put a patchwork together of groups that all essentially define themselves by exclusion means that once there's a power that is attainable, they will want to use it to exclude the people that they want to exclude. And sometimes that's contradictory to what another group wants to exclude. And that's, that's really where their coalition just can't work.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And yeah. And we're all forced to live through it.

[Jordan]

We all hated the same thing until that thing is now out of our way. Now we all find out we hate different things.

[Dan]

Hmm.

[Alex Jones]

Great.

[Dan]

Yeah, thrilled. So one of the things that I think is a note that we've had and is awful is this idea that Alex has become just like this hack. He's just a political hack, vote blue no matter who, kind of asshole. And he explains in this next clip why that is. And I do appreciate him actually addressing it.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's nice.

[Alex Jones]

Since really the 70s when they got rid of Nixon and Nixon had his issues, but he was really the President.

[Jordan]

What were Nixon's issues?

[Alex Jones]

Decisions? Some bad big, it's all been declassified. The CIA removed him because they wanted to be in charge. But we really, after Kennedy got killed and Nixon got removed, the deep state was in charge. And so the Republican leadership at the top would just share power. They all intermarry together. It was all state changed unit party. That's why I said the left right paradigm is false. I coined that term, the false left right paradigm. Look it up. I coined it like 29 years ago. It's picked up at university text now, you name it. People go, well, wait a minute. Now you're saying we're Republicans. Now you're saying we're right wing. Back then it was totally controlled and all these terms mean nothing. Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. He'd be ultra right winger. Today terms change. Liberal used to mean less taxes and more guns and more property and more freedom. Liberal now means communism and Cutting your son's wiener off means transhumanism. But there really wasn't two parties to speak of until Ron Paul and the Tea Party and everything you and I did together to try to reform the Democrat and Republican parties. And it turned out we were able to reform because it was Christians and others. The Republican Party part, imperfect, but it's day and night. Compare the Democrats now, and they're just digging in, getting more communist, more satanic, more globalist every day.

[Dan]

So this is helpful. And I'm really glad that Alex explained this. So there were multiple political parties up until around the time JFK was assassinated or when Nixon resigned. Right. There were 11 years separating those two events. And I'm pretty sure that LBJ did a ton of stuff Alex hated. But whatever, his penis was too big.

[Jordan]

To be mad at.

[Dan]

It's not important to nail down an exact date here. True. In either 1963 or 1974, the Deep State took over the country. And then there was a Uni Party. This uniparty was a Cold War era communist fantasy of the Democratic Party where the Dems were steering the ship ship and the Republicans had entered into a power sharing agreement with them. The Republican Party was essentially controlled opposition, obscuring the fact that the commies had all the power. This was the state of affairs until Ron Paul came along. But it wasn't Ron Paul that changed the world. It was Alex and his dumb radio show. And Alex's telling of the story, his support of Ron Paul, created the Tea Party, which took over the Republican Party and is now morphed into the Trump movement. In effect, he was able to wake up the masses to the existence of the Uni Party by attacking the fraud of the left Right paradigm, which let the Tea Party create a new political party that wasn't based on the GOP of old.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

By creating this new entity and using it to power the right wing of the Uni Party in the United States, they were able to take control of the party apparatus. So now they are truly a separate party.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

There finally are two parties in the United States government.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Dan]

Thanks to Alex.

[Jordan]

I ask this question, why were rich people on the same party at the end of it?

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Ivan Raichlin]

Weird.

[Dan]

It's a coincidence.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it must be.

[Dan]

So there's such an awesome fantasy here for Alex to have, and it's such a great way for him to rationalize how pathetically he's descended into team sports in terms of his political views. It makes him one of the most important figures in American history. It gets him off the hook for how obvious it is that he can't engage with the news past lesser of two evils ideas anymore. Without sarcasm, I say that this is a great episode effort on his part. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Could be worse.

[Dan]

It's inspired work, I think. You know, we, we. He makes a lot of really bad moves and it's fair to call out when one is pretty good.

[Jordan]

You know what's interesting to me, he brought up something that I hadn't really put together, but now I'm starting to. To see a constellation here. All right, Alex, more fun drinking. More fun when he's drunk. Nixon, awful person. He was a drinker though, right? Trump, no drinks. This is the problem. These right wing monsters are just better when they're partying.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're.

[Jordan]

They're less. Or at least they're less damaging to the rest of the world if they're.

[Dan]

Teetotalers, they're going to fuck around and start a world war over.

[Jordan]

Cannot be allowed anywhere near the government. Yeah, you need to be fucked up and be like, I shouldn't do this. That's what you should feel most of the time when you're in government. You should be like, I'm too high for this.

[Dan]

But then again, we have like, Pete Hegseth is a notorious drunk, so maybe he's too far.

[Jordan]

Maybe he's too.

[Dan]

Somewhere between Trump and Hegseth is the right level of right.

[Caller]

Right.

[Jordan]

We need to figure this shit out. People need to do drugs, but the right amount.

[Dan]

There's a math here.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is.

[Dan]

So the problem with Alex's idea here is that it's transparent. Bullshit.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is an explanation that's meant to justify his change in behavior, not an actual shift in American politics. He didn't give up on the idea that the left right paradigm was a fraud. He just fixed the problem. So it makes sense that he's a political hack now. Partisan dork.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Fucking nonsense.

[Jordan]

Everything made sense until I changed and then it made sense again, but in the different way.

[Dan]

What about Reagan?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, I was reflecting on how trapped Alex feels in the present day and how the show just feels like a guy spinning his wheels and trying to rationalize becoming the thing he's supposed to hate. And I think I came up with as good a theory as I can with the information that's available. I think that Alex is trapped simply because his debts aren't dischargeable through bankruptcy. Infowars and free speech systems can go out of business, but he'll have that debt hanging over him. No matter what. So no business he tries to run in the future is gonna be free from that. He's gotten around this by setting up the Alex Jones store with Bigley and putting Chase Geyser's name on the filing for the Alex Jones Network. Network so in effect, he's owned. If Bigley says you have to support Trump no matter what, what else can Alex do? He's unemployable at any legitimate business in the media. He can't start his own thing without it being subject to his debts. So there's nowhere he can go. As much as Bigley, stuff has been the escape parachute that'll allow him to be rich for the rest of his life, it's also a cage. And in Alex's field, these kinds of optics are a really big problem, whether they reflect reality or not.

[Alex Jones]

Not.

[Dan]

It could very well be the case that Bigley doesn't give a shit what he says on air. But the fact that he's their employee affects how an audience sees what he does. It starts to give them more reasons to question the sincerity of the positions he puts out, because, quite literally, he's no longer independent. I think that Alex is inspiring a lot of these kinds of questions in his listener's head, which is he's seeing it expressed directly back at him on social media. They're seeing his behavior as being exactly what he would have called being a sellout earlier in his career. So Alex knows that he has to explain why what he's doing now is totally cool. Electoral politics used to be bullshit and all the politicians are actors, but Alex fixed that all. So it's important that you vote straight ticket for Republicans in the midterm or else the devil might get you. It just feels very defensive of the. Like, I don't know if his bosses now are telling him our brand is bigly. That's a Trump reference.

[Jordan]

That is a Trump reference.

[Dan]

We are a Trump business.

[Jordan]

Yup.

[Dan]

You cannot be on the Alex Jones store and break with Trump.

[Jordan]

Our hats say Trump is super great.

[Dan]

Yeah. I don't know if that's the case, but the fact that Alex is behaving in exactly the way you would if your bosses told you you have to continue this. I think it's causing concern in the audience's minds. And he's now in a position where nothing can be felt as truly free. Nothing can be truly sincere.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the downside of this, I think, is obviously there's one explanation that is Roger knows some shit that Alex doesn't want out.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

There's one explanation of this that is Big Lee's marketing and their whole business is based on Trump. So our big guy.

[Jordan]

Right. He's gotta be.

[Dan]

He's got to be.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

That's one explanation. But I think the explanation that is way more attractive for the conspiracy audience is to create another conspiracy on top of it and that is that he now works for Israel. Right. And I think that that's the danger and a lot of the negative stuff he is responding back to and that, that ping pong that back and forth between him and the audience.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think it only gets more toxic as it goes along.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean it, it really is an example of that. Like, you know, nobody gives a shit what you say until you do something, you know? And it is, it is like back in the day. Sure. He took ads. Sure. Marty Schachter is allowed to do fucking limericks and shit like that.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But he was doing the stuff that you would do if you don't have a boss. He was doing the stuff you would do if you're independent. He was doing the stuff you could do if nobody could really give you consequences. This is not that. This is not the behavior and that we can see other people engaging in the behavior you would do if you didn't have consequences. It is so stark.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That even if he's not being owned, even if he's not being run by anybody, he's acting like he is.

[Dan]

Yeah. And, and, and you know that there's the other explanation that that leads to, which is just the. He is such a guy blinded by. He's blinded by the closeness that he feels to the President and the structure of power that he can't even see how contradictory he is.

[Ivan Raichlin]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean he just wrapped up too much of his own ego in it and now he's trapped.

[Dan]

You know, and that's a completely possible explanation for everything.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

The fact that the behavior is so like, leads you to look for other explanations.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And I think that the ones that are conspiracy ones are escapist.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And the ones that are kind of like business y related are more plausible.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That, that's, that's kind of where.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Either way, you're on the wrong side.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex has a guest on to talk about his, his Loomer shit and the, the coup on Pete Exad. All right.

[Alex Jones]

All right, let's go to Ivan Rain, Green Beret, Defense Intelligence Agency lawyer. Does great work with General Flynn. I appreciate him joining us from the Rogue. I wanted to get his Take on Laura Loomer, whose intel I've matched with mine on a Secretary of Army Deep State coup tried to drive Hegseth out. And that will implicate Trump, claiming it's a war crime. Blowing up these boats.

[Dan]

I like to imagine that there were some people sitting at home listening to Alex and Loomer talk, and they were on the fence on the credibility of what they were saying. But then Ivan Rakeland is going to come, push him over the hump.

[Jordan]

There you go.

[Dan]

Having him on is pretty funny, particularly about there being a Deep State coup against the Secretary of War, because Ivan was supposed to be the Secretary of Retribution when Trump got back in office. Yeah. He made a big deal out of offering globalists amnesty if they confessed by a certain date. And now, a year into Trump's second term, he's doing a call in from his car on Alex's show to talk about dumb shit. Laura Loomer tweeted. Reminding people that Ivan Raichlin exists is embarrassing. It seems like a net negative for Alex. I would just cut him loose.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. I mean, you can't do Deep State anymore. That's not doable. You can't do Deep State. You can still do Globalists because at least they're maybe not in the government.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

But you can't do Deep. Everybody is Deep State.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

They all work for the same guy. It's crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that when you have all. All branches of government and you can create something like Doge.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You can get away with these things.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's no excuse for a Deep State existing because you can just stop them.

[Jordan]

You can literally kill them. If you know them, you can go kill them.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And people will have to eat it. You know, they won't even be. They'll be like, shit.

[Dan]

It's silly now to. To talk about this kind of shit. Oh, this guy was jogging with a guy.

[Jordan]

Oh. So then we shot him. Because that's what we can do now, now. Right, Right.

[Dan]

It's a little much.

[Jordan]

It's crazy.

[Dan]

So Alex asks Ivan about this, the takeover here that's going on at the coup and what have you. And I think Ivan's petty.

[Alex Jones]

They can get control of the Pentagon. Then they're green lit for their main move against Trump, which will signal for the left to do their national uprisings. Then when Trump tries to call the military, the leadership will say no, and then we're set up.

[Caller]

Right. Not only are they stopping at not trying to block accountability for all the transgressions of The Austin years, like you're saying, they're going above and beyond, and at the end of the day, I mean, what stops them from doing it? So far, the first Trump administration, there was no accountability. So far, almost a year into it, there's been no accountability. So at this point in time, if I was talking to President Trump, he's got to look him, you know, himself in the mirror and decide for himself is he going to be a wartime, a domestically wartime president. Because we are at the, I'd say, the apex of the 1770s meets 1860s meets 1960s, and they're trying to escalate that on steroids. The fastest and quickest way to do that is you have to bring in people that are already proven up and rejected the tyranny of the last four years, bring them into senior level positions so that they are ready, willing, and able to destroy this communist takeover.

[Dan]

See, at the end of the day, it's Trump's fault for not making me Secretary of Retribution.

[Jordan]

Okay, here's what I'm thinking. All right? We, everybody who's into it right now, we dig a really big hole and we stay down there for a couple of years. And then when we get up, I imagine this place will be empty.

[Dan]

Yeah, you know, I do think. I don't like bunker thoughts.

[Jordan]

I'm having bunker thoughts, man.

[Dan]

It's.

[Jordan]

It feels like these guys just need to be left alone. And then there'll be a problem that solves itself.

[Dan]

They will destroy each other and themselves, but we all will be hurt in the process.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. We gotta, we gotta find, we gotta find a space base or something. Like, we can wait this out.

[Dan]

I don't think that. Talk to Elon.

[Jordan]

I don't. Yeah, I think Spaceface is going to be rough for the roughly five and a half billion people who hate these guys.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, I think I, you know, like, obviously, yeah, let's dig a hole, sure. But we just got to mitigate whatever damage they can do, you know?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Dan]

I guess I think it's really, really funny that his take on it is basically like, if he would have put me in, I would have stopped this.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

These people need accountability and retribution. You know what?

[Jordan]

You know what I'm good at? Yeah, I like saying accountability from him. That's a fun word to say from the Secretary of Retribution.

[Dan]

It's Trump's own fault. He should look in the mirror and made me part of the Cabinet and then we'd be cool. Instead, I'm calling into Alex's show, apparently from an airport.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

Good times.

[Jordan]

It's like he wants to be a superhero like the Retributor, you know, like the Punisher version two.

[Dan]

Yeah. He wants to be something.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So here's something stupid they say, right?

[Caller]

And he needs to be flanked by those members of the administration that are not playing ball if he's going to keep them in place. I mean, I know one thing, he's like, oh, Cash Patel's doing great. Pam Bondi is doing great over on Fox News. Well, if you're going to keep them, Mr. President, why don't you have them flank you and address exactly what their responsibilities and roles are to the American people in order to support the mandate that we.

[Alex Jones]

That's right. We need to see public loyalty pledges. Because this is all about not being loyal to the president and who the voters voted for.

[Caller]

Exactly. Absolutely. Because that way he can directly speak to the people. He can't do this by himself.

[Dan]

They want Trump to make appointees and cabinet members have public loyalty pledges.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

What the fuck are they talking about?

[Jordan]

Well, okay, so when. Let's say you're in 13. 1350. All right, so you're in 1350 and you've got a duke or an earl who kind of you thought about seeing what's going on? Absolutely. Duke, Duke, Duke. And then you, you know, you see him marry somebody and you're like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. That person is connected to these people. You gotta come to the court. You gotta publicly pledge your loyal to meet Neil. And then I'm gonna chop your wife's head off.

[Dan]

Right. I mean, like, honestly, it does feel like Alex is like, okay, Cash Patel can stay as head of the FBI if he takes the knee.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

If he will renounce being king in.

[Jordan]

The north, he's got to take the black and he's got to go to the wall.

[Dan]

It's fucking insane. Like, what. What world are we living in?

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

These people are literally children. Like, it's so hard to imagine.

[Dan]

They probably rightly complain about dictators making people do loyalty oaths, public humiliation rituals meant to create a dominance.

[Jordan]

So here's what we need to do. We need to get everybody in the country to get in a room, and then Trump's gonna bring a goat in there and say it's a deer. And whoever doesn't say it's a deer gets shot in the fucking head. And then we move on with our lives.

[Dan]

It's the only way to make sure that the public is loyal to the person that the public voted for.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Remove the concept of reality and just lick his boats.

[Dan]

So I had some other clips. They're mostly dumb and I don't care. One of them is Alex lying about being shaken down by Canadian cops.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The most shake downiest of cops.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it doesn't really matter. Nothing really matters that much. After you hear this next clip, which is just like, go retire.

[Alex Jones]

I know you're in an airport. I want to come back in two minutes. Yeah. I mean, they brought us here. They're doing it. They're the ones that want martial law, not us. But in response to them, we have martial law.

[Dan]

I mean, who cares, man? Give up.

[Jordan]

They want martial law, not us.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So we're doing it.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To stop them, we must do martial law in order to stop martial law.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Great, man.

[Jordan]

Once you've reached that circular logic, it's over.

[Dan]

He's made documentaries about how the globalists will argue that they need to do martial law to stop martial law.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Fucking idiot.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

What the fuck is wrong with you?

[Jordan]

I don't know what else there is to say. Yes. Right. That's nuts. That's. That's what. Villains.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

To protect you from yourself, I have to kill you. There's only one way to keep you safe and that's to bury you in the ground.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yep. I think that it's. It's quite clear that whatever is Alex's current operation and his system, it is not the same thing that it was. No. And I think that we have to get to a point where we let go of the past and stop holding him in the present responsible for things in the past. Sure. Not like to say he's off the hook for everything, but like pretending that there is a. Like a consistency that is demanded.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

I think at a certain point we. And I'm pointing the finger mostly at myself here. I have to realize that that's just. It's meaningless anymore. Be like, oh, my God, you want martial law. You're saying the same thing that you say the globalists would say. Oh, look at you, you fucking hypocrite. You're in favor of sinking these boats.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It doesn't really matter.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

What he is now is a new thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And we may just have to accept that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I would say it is. It is a new thing that is the result of the totality, you know, in the same way that you can't be. Whenever Mitch McConnell was pulling his shit, you know, you can't be like, you're a hypocrite. No, I was will and will always say anything I need to say to get what I want.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

The fact that what I want is maybe different than what it used to be has no effect on what it is I'm going to do to get it.

[Dan]

Or I was obscuring what I wanted. The facade of another goal prior. And now that is no longer necessary.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I was always seeking to create a white nationalist imperialist state under a racist dictator.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

I always wanted that. But that wasn't acceptable for me to advocate for right in the past. So I pretended. I love the Constitution.

[Jordan]

And you better believe that if it becomes unacceptable for me to do so in the future, I will tell you I never did.

[Dan]

Right.

[Caller]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I think that that is a framework that we can look at him through.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I do. I do just think that there comes a time when the trappings of his pretend character in the past have to just be dropped.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I'm getting closer and closer to that. Like this image of Alex as being the same person. Gone.

[Jordan]

No. Nope. Can't be.

[Dan]

And I think that we're embarking on a little bit of a path with Alex that is going to culminate in. I don't know, it's still playing out, even right now at the end of December.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like how this episode is going to unfold. But we're dipping our toes into some bad water right now.

[Jordan]

I definitely feel very uncharted. I feel like this is a whole new thing. Not because it's, like, so unexpected or the events themselves are unusual for humans. Like, this is the same stuff. It's just all of the toys are so different, you know, all the stuff they can do. It feels like one of the big things that kept us from all the horrifying stuff in the past was just possibility. If it takes two weeks to get a message somewhere, you can't be as dictatorish as if you can be in everybody's home at the same time. You know?

[Dan]

And I think that certainly we've not experienced someone who's so willing to just be like, oh, yeah, the court said that. Fuck that.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Because I think a lot of people thought, hey, you're gonna get taken out.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You'll be removed from office somehow. But apparently not.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

It is uncharted. And I really wish that I remember the protagonist of that game's name, but I don't.

[Jordan]

Uncharted. Nathan Fillion.

[Dan]

No, no, that's an actor.

[Jordan]

Nathan Lane. Drake Nathan Drake or just Drake?

[Alex Jones]

Drake.

[Dan]

Oh, Drake feels right. I played that game a long time ago and forgot about it. Okay, anyway. Uncharted. Yeah, it was also a movie. Maybe starring Nathan Fillion?

[Jordan]

No, it was starring Spider Man.

[Dan]

Which one?

[Jordan]

The kid Spider Man.

[Dan]

Garfield Garp?

[Jordan]

No, no, no. That was a tall Spider Man. Oh, what's his name? The current Spider Man Maguire. No, that was old Spider Man. That was personal favorite.

[Dan]

Spider Holland.

[Jordan]

Yes, current Spider Man.

[Dan]

We found it.

[Jordan]

Not animated Spider Man. Spider Man.

[Dan]

Anyway, we'll be back with another Spider man breakdown. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefright.com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the Sex Robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.