#1111: January 7, 2026 Continued

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1111: January 7, 2026 Continued

Date: January 23, 2026
Hosts: Dan and Jordan

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan return to dissect the aftermath of the January 7th, 2026, Alex Jones Show. They focus on the response to a recent shooting by an ICE agent in Minneapolis, exploring Alex Jones’s and guest Robert Barnes’s evolving narrative, the contradictions in Alex's anti-police state ideology, and the broader implications for Infowars’ stance on government power, racism, and conspiratorial media. The show also features recurring Infowars guests and an attempt to process the meaning behind frenzied state power and white nationalist grievance-mongering.

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Episode Structure and Key Segments

00:00–09:25 | Banter & Bright Spots

• Dan and Jordan open with their traditional humorous banter, including personal updates (Jordan’s back therapy tools, Dan’s Haribo gummy calendar) to set an affectionate tone.
• This flows into introducing the “bright spot” and “policy wonk” segments, bringing in a few in-jokes and listener thank-yous.

Notable quote:
"I've maintained my wife guy status. You can make progress with chronic pain. That's a positive message." — Dan (02:36)

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09:26–24:52 | Setting Up the Main Event: The ICE Shooting

• The hosts set up the episode’s purpose: unpacking how Alex Jones and guest Robert Barnes process the viral video of an ICE agent fatally shooting a Somali woman in Minneapolis.
• Alex’s and Barnes’s initial reactions to the shooting are compared; Barnes is “mildly disgusted” at first but quickly gets in line with Alex's narrative.
• Early in the segment, Barnes tries to link the shooting to “trans” people and “Antifa,” using the invented term “Tran-tifa” (“Anybody who doesn’t know what gender they are is easy to brainwash… trans people would be the top—willing to be Manchurian candidate murderers.” — Barnes, 09:52).

Analysis:
Dan and Jordan highlight how quickly both Alex and Barnes flip to categorically defending law enforcement’s actions and spinning conspiratorial rationalizations, regardless of available evidence.

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24:53–44:13 | The Press Release & Alex’s Ideological Reversal

• Alex reads, without critique, a press release from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) defending the shooting as a "clean shoot" (12:48).
• Dan offers a detailed breakdown: Alex, once an ardent DHS opponent post-9/11, now forwards their narrative uncritically, underscoring the hypocrisy ("Alex is reading a press release put out by DHS and demanding his audience accept it... If Alex ever cared about Ruby Ridge and Waco, he couldn’t see ICE shooting a person in a car and not feel the same kind of revulsion," 13:43–25:50).
• The hosts deconstruct how Alex uses rhetorical questions and curiosity to demonize the victim ("What did she do before ICE shot her? Maybe she made them shoot her," 21:04).
• Side discussion on how none of this approach is consistent with Alex's supposed anti-police-state stance.

Notable quote:
"He wants to look like a revolutionary without any possibility of consequence… and I also want to get fucking rich." — Jordan (15:59)

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44:14–54:25 | Narrative Hardens: Nick Sortor & Propaganda On-the-Ground

• Infowars pulls in “journalist” Nick Sortor live from Minneapolis. He delivers an agit-prop-laced report painting the shooting and riots as leftist-engineered distractions.
• Sortor and Alex uncritically accept ICE’s version, using vague, racially charged language and blaming “Somali fraud” for city unrest (“The mayor is trying to start a riot to distract from rampant Somali fraud,” — Nick Sortor, 44:54).
• Dan points out the absurdity of framing mainstream, watermarked ABC video as "suppressed" evidence ("They're playing a video watermarked from ABC and claiming the MSM would never air it," 54:00).

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54:26–73:12 | Law, Order, and White Grievance

• Nick Sortor describes ICE as "big, muscular dudes," links their effectiveness to the absence of DEI, and frames protestors as inciters deserving of violence (59:10).
• Dan and Jordan challenge the ethical rot behind this one-sided narrative and highlight the hypocrisy in Alex’s indignant calls for jailing a mayor for opposing ICE (66:21).

Notable quote:
"Is it journalism to call a mayor you disagree with a soy boy?... These are people who pretend to be offended by talking heads on CNN being too biased." — Dan (67:03)

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73:13–98:20 | The Hypocrite's Defense: Disavowal and Whiteness

• Alex launches into aggrieved rants about anti-whiteness, misreporting claims about FEMA and government programs, and victimizes himself and white Americans ("FEMA didn't say they won't help white people. Alex is just lying about a FEMA strategic plan that talks about fairness," 85:14).
• Dan and Jordan unpack how Alex's worldview, always fixated on white victimhood, is increasingly transparent: “He wants the government to do certain things: to create a white nationalist state, but had to hide behind states’ rights, anti-police-state rhetoric in the past” (77:05).
• Alex, defending his alignment with the government police state, says: "I'm not anti-government, I'm anti-unconstitutional government… when the feds finally do their job, I 100% back them." (76:22)

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98:21–120:00 | The Collapse of the Infowar Brand

• Trump’s housing and defense contractor policies are lauded as brilliant by Alex and his producer Thomas, despite being at odds with “free market” thinking (101:00–117:47). Alex confuses Blackrock and Blackstone; Dan explains the difference.
• Discussion rounds on the inability of the Infowars universe to handle fiction or satire (the South Park “food pyramid” episode), and how the hosts see “Cartman” not as a parody of reactionary brats, but as a victim/hero (“They love Cartman and covet what he has, but don’t get that he sucks,” 119:29).
• Thomas’s earnest but naive ramblings become symbolic of the show's collapse into self-parody.

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120:01–End | The Racist Core Unveiled

• Alex ends the episode with a venomous screed about anti-white conspiracies, asserting a war against “white people” led by globalists, the left, and the ADL (“You pray in front of abortion clinics, three years in jail; you rape a kid, you’re Pakistani, no jail… Hitler hunted Jews; now the ADL’s hunting us… you want a war, you got one.” — Alex, 128:02)
• Dan and Jordan underscore how Alex’s current broadcast belongs on Aryan Nations message boards—not mainstream outlets.

Notable quote:
"He is advocating for things that are so counter to what the infowar is supposed to be about… Unless you start to think about how the racism was what it was really about to begin with." — Dan (130:11)

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Thematic Summary

1. Ideological Collapse and Hypocrisy

• Alex’s evolution is on full display: He now parrots police and DHS press releases, despite decades of posturing as anti-police-state. The episode demonstrates, step by step, how his repression of minorities and support for the current administration stem from his true white nationalist beliefs—masked for years by “liberty” rhetoric.

2. Weaponizing Grievance and Racist Tropes

• Both hosts document and lampoon Alex’s increasingly unhinged white victimhood narratives, his fearmongering about immigration, FEMA, DEI, and the ADL, and his manic claims about “planned economies” and “sovereignty,” all clearly meant to stoke racist panic.

3. Propaganda Playbook: Deflect, Blame, Defend the State

• Dan analyzes how Alex and guests use weaponized curiosity (posing loaded questions), shifting blame to victims or political enemies, and never letting “facts” get in the way of state-apologist propaganda.
• Alex and Barnes instantly and uncritically spin the ICE shooting as justified, despite previously claiming all shootings by federal agents should be viewed with suspicion.

4. Collapse Into Parody and Self-Contradiction

• The “policy wonk” segments, “Haribo calendar,” and the Squire Thomas moments reflect a brand and worldview unmoored from reality—contradictory, incoherent, and losing touch with its own mythos.

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Notable and Memorable Quotes

• "Anybody who doesn't know what gender they are is someone you can easily brainwash... Trans would be at the top—willing to be Manchurian Candidate murderers." — Robert Barnes (09:52)
• "Alex is reading a press release put out by DHS and demanding his audience accept it... If Alex ever cared about Ruby Ridge and Waco, he couldn't see ICE shooting a person in a car and not feel the same kind of revulsion." — Dan (13:43–25:50)
• "Is it journalism to call a mayor you disagree with a soy boy? Is it law and order to demand that Trump jail a mayor who hasn't been charged with any crimes as a stunt to win midterm elections?" — Dan (67:03)
• "He wants the government to do certain things: namely, kick out all the non-white people from the country… all the stuff he's hypocritical about, that's just the stuff he used as a mask to hide his core values." — Dan (77:05)
• "None of these positions are compatible. There’s no ideology left—just serving power and stoking racial panic." — Jordan (29:35 summary)
• "He is advocating for things that are so counter to what the infowar is supposed to be about... Unless you start to think about how the racism was what it was really about to begin with." — Dan (130:11)
• "You pray in front of abortion clinics, three years in jail; you rape a kid, you're Pakistani, no jail... Hitler hunted Jews; now the ADL's hunting us... you want a war, you got one." — Alex (128:02)
• "They love Cartman and covet what he has, but also kind of get that he sucks." — Dan (119:29)

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Takeaways

• Alex Jones has abandoned any pretense of being an anti-police-state, anti-establishment crusader: Instead, he’s become a mouthpiece for state and federal violence so long as it’s exercised against the right targets, especially nonwhites.
• The show is now a clearinghouse for incoherent white grievance messaging, peppered with conspiratorial nonsense and self-pity, barely even attempting to hide its racist core anymore.
• Long-time Infowars positions (states’ rights, free markets, anti-fed, etc.) are daily discarded if it suits Trump's power or whatever happens to benefit his vision of a racially hierarchical America.
• Alex’s pivot to religious justification is transparently performative and contradicted by his own storytelling and failures to follow supposed divine guidance.
• Infowars’ surrogates (e.g., Robert Barnes, Nick Sortor) and staffers exhibit a blend of cynical narrative-pushing and naiveté that highlights the intellectual bankruptcy of the operation.
• The episode is a case study in how right-wing conspiracy media morphs to accommodate and excuse state violence and white nationalism when it aligns with their interests.

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Key Timestamps

• 09:52: Barnes's "Tran-tifa" brainwashing conspiracy
• 12:48: Alex reads DHS press release on shooting
• 13:43–25:50: Dan’s breakdown of Alex’s past anti-police-state stance vs. current bootlicking
• 44:54: Nick Sortor’s “on the ground” Minneapolis agitprop
• 54:00: Dan calling out the propaganda stunt with mainstream video
• 66:21: Alex’s “I want Mayor Fry in prison” and lawfare hyperbole
• 76:22: Alex’s hypocrisy about supporting federal crackdowns
• 85:14: FEMA/anti-whiteness conspiracy debunked
• 98:21–120:00: Infowars’ collapse into self-parody, South Park/Cartman as touchstone
• 128:02: Alex’s explicit white nationalist grievance messaging

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Conclusion

Episode #1111 is a scathing window into the Infowars ecosystem in 2026—a fragile conspiracy circus that’s contradicted every guiding principle for the sake of white grievance, overtly apologizing for state violence and manufacturing inverted “oppression” fantasies. Dan and Jordan document, with humor and clarity, the unraveling logic and naked bigotry at Infowars’ core, revealing a worldview built not on coherence but on resentment and the endless search for an enemy—no matter who must be crushed along the way.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex]

Red alert. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge, Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in T. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex]

I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Alex]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

I have a quick question for you.

[Dan]

Sure. But before you ask that question.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

What month is it?

[Jordan]

Oh, it's January.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

Go ahead with your question.

[Jordan]

Do you know what that means?

[Dan]

What does that mean?

[Jordan]

It means that I'm probably gonna have to do my bright spot first.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think so. That's the tradition.

[Jordan]

Oh, man. Now that we've done it multiple times, you'd think I would recognize a pattern. And yet somehow you are slow to.

[Dan]

Pick up on tradition.

[Jordan]

I'm slow to pick up on a lot of things.

[Dan]

That's tr. Is your bright spot.

[Jordan]

My bright spot? Daniel, is that.

[Dan]

Ever called me that?

[Jordan]

Well, there's. It's a. It's. No, it's a new tradition. No, my bright spot is that I was rolling my back out this morning. I know. You know, everybody knows that I come from sports.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

Uh, I left my back there and what I have is a series of twigs with chicken wire. And, uh, I was. I work on my back like a half hour every morning. And it is because my wife purchased multiple, like rollers and gadgets and shit.

[Dan]

See, that's what I was gonna ask. I was gonna ask if you have different size rollers.

[Jordan]

I sure do.

[Dan]

And then my follow up was gonna be, are they pointy, like a little bit pointy, or that smooth?

[Jordan]

I have three levels, my friend. I do. I do work and I am noticing results.

[Dan]

That's fantastic.

[Jordan]

It is really, really good. And it is because of my wife and her mother that I am feeling better. And so that is my bright spot.

[Dan]

That's great.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You've maintained your wife guy, my wife guy status. You know what I think it's such a positive message too, that people like to hear that you can make progress. Kind of that chronic kind of painful stuff.

[Jordan]

It is, it is like when I. When I was doing physical therapy back when we had reached the deductible baby, the physical therapist used to just laugh whenever he started mucking about. Look at all these twists. I mean, it was. It was like, this is a disaster area that really only he could know about because you can't see it. And so. Yeah.

[Dan]

Is it back from Hanover? Cuz this is a pretzel.

[Jordan]

It's a mess.

[Dan]

Isn't that Snider's?

[Jordan]

I think it is Snider's.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think so.

[Dan]

Got real unconfident in my joke.

[Jordan]

It was spoken and then almost retracted.

[Alex]

Yep, yep. What?

[Dan]

Let me, let me. I think people want to know.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What's your favorite of the rollers?

[Jordan]

She got this, I want to say maybe like 14 inch diameter. And it's got like a tire rubber series of things around it and it gets into each individual spot on your spine. It kind of cradles. Works pretty well.

[Dan]

Sweet man.

[Jordan]

Works pretty dang well.

[Dan]

That sounds great.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I know that every time that I've been at the gym and I've used one of those, I've been like, I.

[Jordan]

Gotta get me one of these whenever. Yeah, Once you commit to it, it's a. It's a thing.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Dan. It is January.

[Dan]

That is true. Let me ask you the 23rd.

[Jordan]

It is the 23rd. That's the date of January.

[Dan]

Yep. And that means that I have got to consult with my Haribo calendar. But also I. I didn't upload a new sting. So here's an old drop show.

[Alex]

Dreamy creamy.

[Dan]

It's gonna be a dreamy creamy day over at Harry Bow Land.

[Jordan]

Do they have dreamy creamy gummies?

[Dan]

Nope. And this is the most boring of them all. It is just. Oh, it's soft. Gold bears. It says saft. Saft S A F T. Unless that means something else in German. Yeah, I think it means soft.

[Jordan]

I mean, I would presume that on account of German being very similar to English. Who knows?

[Dan]

But then again, I would argue that none of the regular ones are not hard. So that makes me think that maybe that means sour.

[Jordan]

I don't think there's any hard gummy.

[Dan]

Oh, there's some hard gummies.

[Jordan]

Well, that's fair.

[Dan]

Juju fruit.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, those are pretty hard. Those are serious.

[Dan]

All right, so here's the part where I'm going to Try this out. See how soft they are. And you're going to vamp.

[Jordan]

I think that's a good idea. My vamp I'm going to talk about. That's right. Tennis, my man. Last night, Stan Vavrinka. 40 year old Stan Vavrinka played a five set match at the Australian Open and won in a fifth set tie break. It was incredible. I wish I could have watched the whole thing. It couldn't have been better. This is the man's last season. He's ranked outside the top 100. Got a wild card entry. And my man, he won it. He's into the third round. The third round.

[Dan]

That's fantastic.

[Jordan]

It is fantastic.

[Dan]

Congratulations to him.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Dan]

That was not any softer than anything else that I've ever tried.

[Jordan]

Was it sour?

[Dan]

It's a little sour.

[Jordan]

It's a little sour.

[Dan]

I think I do note some sort of.

[Jordan]

But soft can't mean it's a soft sour, man.

[Dan]

It's a mess. This, this segment is not taking off like the cheese, I will say, dying in the water.

[Jordan]

I think Haribo has failed you.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

I think you, you made a m of thinking we could ease into it. You got a hardcore press on the gas with novelty.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You got to go crazy.

[Dan]

And I thought they'd deliver and they did not.

[Jordan]

They did not.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

[Alex]

Oh, shit.

[Dan]

And I realized that this is episode 11, 11, 12.

[Alex]

Is it?

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's 11, 11, 11, 11. Ooh.

[Dan]

And in honor of that one time, once in a lifetime number, I decided that we're going to talk about January 7th again.

[Jordan]

The rest of secret of 17, the.

[Dan]

Rest of the day. When I shot that day, I gotcha.

[Jordan]

I gotcha.

[Dan]

So we're gonna do that here in a moment, but first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, the people yearn for Mads Mikkelsen and Hugh Dancy to reunite to play Dracula. And Jonathan Harker. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk. Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next, Barack Obama. No, Beyonce. Not even close. That's right. Santa Claus. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. It's Somali, not Somalians. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Alex]

Thank you.

[Dan]

And we got a ton of credit Mix Jordan. So thank you so much, too. I was once a wonk but took Jordan's advice and put my money in a bear fund. I've seen the error of my ways and I am back as a technocrat. A Canadian dollar technocrat. For what it's worth. If I could have my Jordan, thank you very much. In a Larry Nichols voice, I'd truly appreciate it. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex]

Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

I was debating in my head whether you were going to mention rice.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I was wondering if you're. You're impression would immediately involve rice.

[Jordan]

You know, before I did it, I was trying to find the. You know, there's the word for a lot of people with impressions. You got that entry word. I was trying to find it through witches, but I couldn't. I couldn't get there.

[Dan]

Now. It was brutal. He's a mysterious guy with a very simple voice.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Was. Well, so like I said, we are going to finish up the seventh.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's never been, Never been done before necessarily that we have split things in such a way, but I did. I wanted to end on the note of the juxtaposition between Alex and Robert Barnes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the way that they were dealing with having just seen this video.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Of someone get shot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And how Barnes was mildly disgusted and like, I don't know about this. Whereas Alex was charging headlong into whatever this is. We've got to spin it.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that that's. That is an important image to hold and I wanted to live in it for a while.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

But that said, the rest of the day is also still important.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we are going to pick that up here. And Robert Barnes is actually still in the studio.

[Jordan]

Oh, God. And that's right, he's in studio.

[Dan]

Well, no, I'm sorry, he's not in studio. He's on the show.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

He's. He's on Zoom. He's a screen silly little cap. He looks like an asshole, but immediately he starts going off into the weeds of like, oh, this is trans people and antifa Tran. Tifa did this.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ. He wrote that one before.

[Dan]

Oh. And he said it about a hundred times.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't be surprised.

[Robert Barnes]

Anybody who doesn't know what gender they are is someone who you can easily brainwash. The. And the. And that makes them a. Particularly if you were brainstorming how. Who. Who's the group that we could get to be Manchurian Candidate murderers and assassins and disruptors and instigators and all the rest. Trans would be at the top willing.

[Alex]

To murder their own identity. They're willing to do this. By the way. I've watched the footage like 10 times now. It's not the first cop that she almost runs over. There's one that's even more in front who barely jumps out of the way. And then you can see he's the one that shoots. And you can say under the adrenaline. Under the. He barely. I mean, boom. That car. I mean, he still. He jumps back and then instinctively pulls and fires, which these guys are trying to do. Or you're dead. You know. Big iron on his hip. It's all about instinctive shooting. You're dead. And you can see it right there. He jumps. Barely jumps out of the way. And instinctively. Because there's more people up ahead that she's about to hit. And he. I think it's a clean shoot right there. Trying to kill him with a deadly weapon. What are you supposed to do?

[Dan]

It's a clean shoot. Alex has come around quite quickly.

[Jordan]

That was. I mean, that. I. Isn't. Isn't that something similar to what people would say on a duck hunt?

[Alex]

Yep.

[Jordan]

It was a clean shoot.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

If you're in a deer blind, maybe you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

You.

[Dan]

Clean shot.

[Jordan]

So that probably makes him a gigantic piece of shit. Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think it is notable of like. Like his. Like this is just the. Where we're going. He knows.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Sight unseen. He doesn't need to see any of the information that's being presented. That's what he's going to end up at.

[Jordan]

Information is going to get in the way of him doing his job.

[Dan]

If anything.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So they come back and Alex has a little press release from the Department of Homeland Security that.

[Jordan]

No, no, no.

[Dan]

Isn't that weird?

[Jordan]

You can't have a press release from the dhs.

[Dan]

It's definitely not something you need to question or think about.

[Jordan]

Fuck me.

[Alex]

So this just came out from Homeland Security, a press release today. ICE officers in Minneapolis were conducting targeted operations when rioters began blocking ICE officers. You've seen all the video that. And one of these violent rioters weaponized her vehicle. They're Going to run over our law enforcement officers, attempt to kill them. An act of domestic terrorism. An ICE officer fearing for his life, the lives of his fellow law enforcement and for the safety of public fire defensive shots, used his training and saved his own life and that of his fellow officers. The alleged perpetrator was hit and his deceased. The ICE officers who were hurt are expected to make full recoveries. This is a direct consequence of the constant attacks and demonization of our officers by sanctuary politicians who fuel and encourage rampant assaults or law enforcement and who are facing 1,300% increase in assaults against them and an 8,000% increase in death threats. This is an evolving situation. We will give the public more information as soon as it becomes available, whether it's foreign policy or domestically. Trump's told them, do your job, we'll back you. The gloves are off. I think the left going with the Podesta plan and one battle after another. I don't think this is going to end well for them.

[Dan]

Just reflect on this for a second. Alex is unquestioningly and supportively reading a press release from the Department of Homeland Security on his show. The DHS didn't even exist before Bush created it after 9 11. And it's an organization that Alex has been very vocally opposed to over the years. And not just opposed to their actions, he's opposed to them existing. If you listen to Alex's show before Trump times, you would think of the Department of Homeland Security as the enemy. It was created by Bush and his cronies in order to consolidate power after 911 and was the face of the Patriot Act. It absorbed the responsibilities of other government agencies to streamline executive power, which used to be bad.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

The whole idea of Alex's show is that centralized federal government power has to be fought because once it grows to a certain point, you can't fight it anymore. The DHS was an embodiment of centralized governmental power, which Alex is supposed to be fundamentally opposed to, regardless of what costume that power is wearing. He was super clear over the course of his career that people seeking to consolidate power want to scare you into letting them take that power. They created the Department of Homeland Security and passed the Patriot act based on the fear that you felt about terrorism after 9 11. The globalists stoked your fears because the more scared you were, the easier it would be for them to justify doing things that the public would never have accepted before. They could spy on citizens and demographically target Muslims. And their justification would always be that it was to make sure there Wasn't another nine. Eleven. Yep. But those police measures were meant to be used against you. They weren't trying to gain all this power to fight Al Qaeda. That was the public excuse. But in the real world, all of this was meant for you. It was meant to create a prison planet that you were going to live in. They played on the fear and Islamophobia that ran rampant in the early 2000s. And. And Alex was begging you to see through it. That was his whole thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is a point that I cannot make strongly or frequently enough. Alex's change is not superficial. It's not something that can be retconned, and it's not something that can be rationalized. Alex is reading a press release put out by the Department of Homeland Security and demanding that his audience accept that they can kill citizens if they feel threatened. The audience probably feels a little uncomfortable with that. So it's important to understand that the DHS is fighting something very scary. Even scarier than terrorism was in 2002. It's super normal to change positions on certain topics over time. People grow up, circumstances change, and sometimes we just learn that the thing that we thought would work doesn't work. I'll never judge somebody for changing their mind, even if I don't agree with the conclusion that they may come to. Which is why it's important to be super clear about what Alex is doing. He isn't changing his mind. He's acting exactly like the bad guys he always imagined he was fighting against. Did he never had a problem with the police state and all that shit. He just never wanted to get hit with a baton. This is all these. Just showing his ass.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I want to look like a revolutionary without any possibility of consequence. I want to look like I'm fighting the good fight without ever having to fight. And I also want to get fucking rich.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I. I don't know. I've been wrestling with that. I think that Alex definitely wants to be rich.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But he wants people to like him more.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, he wants one guy named David Jones.

[Jordan]

That's. That's probably the best way of putting it.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That. I mean, you know, that brings up what, Jon Hamm screaming. That's what the money's for. You know, like that kind of. That kind of idea.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yep. Poor guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What a piece of shit, though. Really.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it sucks to know beyond a shadow of a doubt that this weird, insane psychopath is tortured and miserable, but it doesn't make any difference. He's a piece of shit who is torturing and making other people miserable.

[Dan]

So Robert Barnes, although initially reluctant to say self defense. Yeah. And that kind of shit is coming around.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah. It does look to me like a self defense case that he had reasonable fear for. For safety. You could. I think there'll be probably some misleading video footage. I'm sure there'll be some AI fakes forthcoming. So, you know, you know, people make sure, you know, you're alert for that, you get the original material. But it looks to me like the. And I think what mislead some people is it appears to veer like it's going a different direction than at the officer. But I believe that only happens after he shoots. And so it, the, the driver is then dead and that's what causes the goat to swerve back. But you notice when it's first coming out, it's, it's, it looks like it's heading right to the officer who appears to be the one who have pulled, pulled his gun and defend himself.

[Alex]

Lightning fast reflexes. Because as soon as you hear the first pop, then it jerks and turns and then she.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah, exactly correct. I mean the, that, you know. Yeah. Because you look at where that angle is and that's the key. It's going off towards him and then it's where. Then it leans back.

[Dan]

If you understand what's going on here. Barnes and Alex are trying to find plausible ways to argue in favor of the ICE agent shooting a US citizen. They're not particularly interested in facts, but just want to find something that's good enough for now. Barnes comes up with the idea that the victim's wheels only turned from the officer after the first shot, which is not true. Her car would need to be going straight and to the left in order to ever make contact with the officer. But video from before she was shot clearly shows her turning her wheel to the right when she was alive. Previously, the front tires had been pointed left because she was in reverse, angling her car to drive away to the right, away from the officer who shot her. It's important to understand that even though we ended the last episode with Barnes expressing a certain amount of discomfort with seeing the video of the shooting, he gets over it pretty quick and he gets on message. They are Trump media surrogates and the DHS has put out their press release that it was a good shooting. So now it's their job to sell it. It doesn't matter how they do it, and no one cares if they lie. All that matters is the narrative and they're going to prop it up.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. I mean, I would hope, personally, and I'm not. I'm not gonna judge anybody's number for what it is, but I would hope it would be, like, several hundred seconds after I saw a person get murdered where I'd be like, ah, they. She probably had it coming. You know, I would want some more distance between when I had stopped watching somebody get murdered and when I had suddenly decided that they weren't being murdered. Yeah.

[Dan]

And if you're in Barnes's situation, like, why don't you hang up?

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

I don't want to be here. I don't want to be on your show during this.

[Jordan]

Oh, I got. I got to go.

[Dan]

Yeah. Holy shit. That was fucked up. I don't want to talk about this. I mean, I don't know anything about this.

[Jordan]

Anything.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Any reason to not be doing anything other than saying that's a murder or.

[Dan]

Even, like, it's so weird to feel like you've got to, like, well, got to spend this one, baby. You don't have to say anything.

[Jordan]

You don't. You can just not do it.

[Dan]

It's wild.

[Jordan]

It is. It is wild.

[Dan]

So Barnes and Alex are like, hey, man, what was she doing before this video started? Maybe she made them shoot her or something, probably.

[Robert Barnes]

And the way it looks to me, the way she's only accelerating, but it looks to me like she was trying to. To turn the. The driver was trying to run him over, by the way. In fact, the vehicle isn't going in a straight direction. It initially is coming out and appears to be going left, right at where he is.

[Alex]

And, you know, he jumps back while firing his gun at the same time he would have been hit.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. And it appears that was her intention. As if you're his position. Yeah. See how it was, that little left turn right when it's starting to go.

[Alex]

Yeah, exactly.

[Robert Barnes]

I mean, that tells me that she was not only hitting the gas, but she was turning to run him over. So because I'm sure the. The media, the left. The rest are going to pretend that she was just trying to drive out of there, but that is not by that first direction of the vehicle making that quick left turn.

[Dan]

The.

[Robert Barnes]

In a left direction. That means it was. She was trying to murder him. And if you're in his position, that's exactly what you see. You'd only see. And. And I think the voice that's right before then is, get out of the vehicle. You know, pull back the. So they're not expecting her to be driving it at all. They're expecting vehicle off, she getting out of the vehicle, and instead they're already.

[Alex]

Attacking vehicles, blocking them, hitting them. They're not even going after those people. What had she done to them to be saying, get out? What has she done before that?

[Robert Barnes]

Correct. Exactly. And the. I mean, clearly someone that's being very disruptive.

[Dan]

So there are two main playbooks Alex can use with people, depending on whether or not he wants to demonize them. If he's invested in making the audience not care about them, he does what you see here, a main feature of this treatment. And one of the ways that he's able to paint people in a negative light to the audience is through insinuation and appearing very curious. He has lots of questions like, what did this woman do to make ICE shoot her? He asks these questions as a way of pretending that there's an answer that would make this situation okay. And your brain should just fill in the blanks. Whatever would justify this is what happened before.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

In a moment like this, it's important to recognize how severe the editorial slant is for Alex and Barnes, whether or not they're on anyone's payroll, they're mouthpieces of the state. And not even for a second did Alex consider reporting this as an inappropriate shooting carried out by a federal agent against a US Citizen.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

From the second he heard the news, the only question has been, how can we make this her fault in a way that the audience will accept?

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

And Barnes has fully come on board with that in a matter of a couple minutes. It's.

[Jordan]

That is. It is astonishing. It is astonishing to watch, because when you remember that we are of the great ape family, right? And then you think, well, let's just pull back a couple layers of DNA. Imagine. Imagine a macaque trying to convince other monkeys like, no, no, no, don't worry about it. There's no alligators in the lake. That's crazy. We would never imagine that. That would be ridiculous. And yet here we are, a man being like, don't.

[Dan]

No, no, no, no.

[Jordan]

Don't worry about it. That giant predator, he's your friend.

[Dan]

So Robert Barnes and Alex, they're just. They're sitting around, they're like, hey, man, dangerous situation.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

You know, hey, what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?

[Jordan]

What are you gonna do?

[Dan]

Cops get scared and they shoot people.

[Alex]

That'll happen.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Alex]

I'll stop right there. I don't know. We haven't believed yet.

[Robert Barnes]

Back.

[Alex]

It up to the beginning. Or bleep that, guys.

[Jordan]

Because that's what's wrong with this video situation.

[Alex]

You bring in 30 million illegals, 25, whatever, 40 million under Obama total. Get it all together from Obama to now. And all the human trafficking, the murder, the death, all the highway chases every day. You create this. It's the law. You send people to do their job. You come attack them, create the hysteria. I'm surprised there has been more of this already, Barnes. I've been.

[Robert Barnes]

Not only that, this is the Somali community. I mean, you've detailed. That is Black Hawk Down. These are people that lost the civil war. Now, America, unfortunately helps help sponsor that civil war because God, God bless us, but we can't seem to help ourselves. But the.

[Jordan]

That is very.

[Robert Barnes]

We're still bombing Somalia. We've been bombing him since 1989. It's like new Year.

[Jordan]

Hilarious.

[Robert Barnes]

The, but the kind. Like Elon Omar's father. A lot of these people are some of the nastiest people in the CIA brought these.

[Alex]

He was the top general that killed 200,000 people in a genocide. When they overthrew him, she ran here with him and then she lectures us on regime change.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah, yeah, exactly. These are some of the nastiest, meanest, most vicious people in the world.

[Dan]

So if Alex believes that this is an appropriate way to handle law enforcement, it seems like he really doesn't have much of a leg to stand on if he ever wants to criticize cops shooting people. This really matters because Alex's ideology is very much rooted in the two events of Ruby Ridge and Waco.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

These are incidents where the federal government overstepped and took actions that killed American citizens. And the extreme right wing was galvanized around how offensive it was that they did that. If you're somebody who really cared about Ruby Ridge and Waco, you couldn't see ICE shooting a person in a car and not feel the same kind of revulsion. Alex can say that ICE is there carrying out legal orders and that the victim in this case was impeding them. But you could say the same thing about the Weavers or the Branch Davidians. If the complaint Alex had was ever that federal law enforcement was oppressing and killing US Citizens, then he would be required to treat this situation the same way. And this is where the critical point comes up. Alex never cared about federal law enforcement killing U.S. citizens. Randy Weaver was connected with the Aryan nations, and the Branch Davidians were an extremist end times religious culture. The problem for Alex is that he likes racists and Pseudo Christian fundamentalists, but that's also a really unpopular message. So he packaged his shit the way he did.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

If Alex ever cared about federal law enforcement killing citizens, then he would have a different response now. There are a lot of situations that are pretty complex, but this pretty fucking simple.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

The way he's responding to this incident reveals that he never believed any of this shit to begin with. And this is all an actual.

[Jordan]

No, no. Their whole justification for the fucking OKC bombing is that it doesn't matter, because the government needs to feel the response from what they did at Waco. Right. Like, to be here now with those people is fucking ridiculous. Yeah, it. I don't know.

[Alex]

It's.

[Dan]

It's inappropriate.

[Jordan]

It requires a time machine and a mirror to, like, show people what they'll be before we fudgeing. Break their kneecaps or some shit, you know? Like, that's what a time machine is about.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I wish there was a way to break someone's kneecaps politically.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, in a time machine situation, you won't get caught.

[Dan]

Break their kneecaps with irony. Like, spiritually break their kneecaps.

[Jordan]

I've seen it done before.

[Dan]

So this was fun. They start talking about a different subject.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And it's something that.

[Jordan]

Smart move.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well, not really, because Barnes ends up shitting all over some of Alex's past guests.

[Alex]

What is your view on where this is all going? That ties into Greenland, ties into Iran about to fall, all these major moves happening?

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah, I think. I mean, the key is to be wary of the risks and the downside. And my concern is that some members of the administration are being misled. So I think they've been misled by that. There's a corrupt former general who got. Who joined Guido in Guiado. How you want to pronounce his name back in 2019, who got expelled, got arrested, indicted, imprisoned by the. First the Biden administration, then the Trump administration. And he's been pitching all kinds of stories about how he can unravel the 2020 election and all this other stuff. He's a complete lying fraudster. So the. My concern is if the, you know.

[Alex]

Trump administration, We don't have irrational exuberance, and Trump, just because his snatch and grab went well, that. That. That he should then go in because he's talking about Cuba, Colombia. I'm definitely against that.

[Dan]

Oh, why? You were for it yesterday.

[Alex]

Why?

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

So that guy that Barnes is talking about is Hugo Carvajal, the guy who wrote a letter to Trump saying that he could spill the beans on the Chavez and Maduro regimes.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

It's interesting that Barnes is calling him a lying fraud. And Alex isn't challenging that, because mere days before this episode, Alex was interviewing Patrick Byrne on his show about how Byrne was pretending to have convinced Carvajal to flip on the deep state.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

If we're supposed to take Barnes seriously, then Carvajal is a fraud. And it stands to reason that Patrick Byrne is a fraud. General Flynn is supposed to be mixed up in Carvajal coming forward too, so I guess he's pushing the same hoax. And Trump mysteriously posted on Truth Social that Alex should talk to Patrick Byrne about the truth about Venezuela. So Trump must be pushing this fraud hoax too. Yeah, or you could believe that Carvajal is the real deal and the Byrne Flynn team are on the right side of this thing. If that's the case, then why is Barnes attacking them like this? If those dudes are legit and Barnes is trying to call them a fraud, kinda makes him look like a globalist does. Alex sidesteps these hard questions by just pretending to not understand what Barnes is talking about and moving on so the audience doesn't realize how his show is trying to sell them contradictory stories about the overthrow of a federal foreign government.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, why is Alex against overthrowing Cuba and Colombia?

[Jordan]

That's what I was wondering.

[Dan]

The Monroe Doctrine and manifest destiny 2.0 demand that Trump keep the homeland safe. There's no coherent ideology at work here anymore.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Makes no sense.

[Jordan]

I mean, in. In this, if. If we're dealing with what he is saying about how it's okay to colonize people again, essentially, we're just talking about pushing a sphere of power further and further away from our borders, which is going to swallow up everybody sooner or later. So fudgeing get Cuba now.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

I will take. I'll take a Cuba.

[Dan]

Half of the argument that, like, Marco Rubio was making about why they had to overthrow Maduro is because he was being run by Cuba.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. Yes.

[Dan]

Why would you be against them now over Alex? It just makes no sense.

[Jordan]

There are there. It is amazing that you can have fundamentally incompatible positions and just ignore like it's.

[Alex]

We've.

[Jordan]

We've reached a new level of cognitive dissonance where it's like, why would I even bother dealing with it? They can be contradictory. I don't give a shit.

[Dan]

Now Barnes is right 99% of the time and Patrick Byrne is right 99% of the time.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Dan]

Calm down.

[Jordan]

So they're both always right.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Even though they disagree.

[Dan]

So now I think that Barnes is actually kind of right in this next clip and that he's describing Trump's actions like he's a dumb criminal.

[Robert Barnes]

The issue isn't so much. I don't think Trump has any appetite and recognizes the high risk of trying to go in. And actually, even though he's talking big about boots on the ground, I think he knows that we can easily topple.

[Alex]

A regime, but we can't occupy. That's totally different. Exactly.

[Robert Barnes]

It's what you've been pointing out for 20 years, that the. There's all this risk and that the.

[Alex]

They never.

[Robert Barnes]

They're like the people that are people tell me, hey, Barnes, criminals have low iq. And I'm like, no, no, caught criminals have low iq. The. The. So the people that you're measuring the IQ of are people actually inmates.

[Alex]

The. The.

[Robert Barnes]

And the reason is they're only one step thinkers, as we've talked about before. In other words, they're people that, oh, I like the purse. I'll steal it. Oh, how do I get away with it? They don't think about step two, and God bless them. But our CIA never thinks about step two. And I. I'm getting strong vibes. Why does God bless them about step two again? And if they're lying to the President about how easy it will be, about how successful it will be, and they're using the success like they always do of the very first step, you know.

[Alex]

When we first go in, they're setting Trump up.

[Robert Barnes]

Exactly. That's the big. I think they see it as win, win.

[Dan]

It's interesting that this is where Barnes mind goes when he's talking about Trump's actions in Venezuela. It's a crime. Trump committed a crime. So Barnes and Alex are just worried that he doesn't have a getaway plan.

[Jordan]

That is the big problem.

[Dan]

Thought about the next step after you smash and gr.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's not so much that he's a criminal, it's that he's a dumb criminal.

[Dan]

I don't have a problem with crime. If you get away with it, I mean, I suppose.

[Jordan]

I suppose that is kind of the operating philosophy of America at this point.

[Dan]

Holy shit. But it's pretty blatant. And I don't know if they can hear what they're saying anymore. And I don't think they care.

[Jordan]

Yeah. How could they? How could they. On any front? Right. How could you begin to care if you're saying shit like that? Like, the closest they came to care. Was feeling uncomfortable for 15 seconds while watching a murder.

[Dan]

Mm. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then they were back on board.

[Dan]

And they were so much more scandalized by a football player taking the knee.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit. Can you imagine somebody taking a knee? Fuck.

[Dan]

So much more dangerous than shooting someone.

[Jordan]

Can't believe they didn't shoot him.

[Dan]

So Alex is engaged in a long, protracted feud right now with Candace. Owen.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And he's just sniping at her. He does not like this lady.

[Jordan]

Good for them.

[Alex]

And I'm not glazing Barnes. I can call Barnes. And he's not been watching my show. And I've been watching his that we both watched. Some. A little bit. And I can say, hey, this is what I'm thinking. What do you think? And he'll finish my sentence, just like I can do with General Flynn or so many others. Because we've got the grasp of the depth of the knowledge, and we're here trying to get other people to understand how that works. Because we're not trying to give you fish. We're trying to teach you how to fish. And look, I know a lot of you are smarter than I am in many ways. I'm not. Up here. We're talking about the public that doesn't know. And now, just because we've had this global awakening, we're being lied to. There are a lot of newbies that don't really have depth, and they just kind of come up with real conspiracy theories that have no basis in reality or little factoids that don't matter that they build whole things around. And I need to stop talking about Candace Owens.

[Dan]

Yeah, probably. Also, I would love to offer Robert Barnes a show that he and I could do together called Glaze and Barnes.

[Jordan]

Ah, Glazin Barnes, where I compliment him.

[Dan]

Very disingenuously while we cook a bird. You know, we glaze a ham.

[Jordan]

I was. You know what I would also go with? I would also accept Raising Barns, wherein you compliment him and put up barns.

[Dan]

Here's another option. Raisin Barns, where I compliment him disingenuously while throwing raisins at him.

[Jordan]

Right. I like that. All right, how about Crazin Barnes, where we put him in one of those crazin Apple commercials and then just have them underneath all that water.

[Dan]

It's the only way to go. So Alex is real. He just wants to complain to Barnes about Candace because, like, he gets it.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, he's cool. He's like, candace. Candace sucks.

[Jordan]

Candace is bullshit. I mean, sure, she's exactly the same as the rest of us.

[Robert Barnes]

Uh huh.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But a little different in a way that is kind of dangerous.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so Barnes is like, yeah, man, she's probably Deep state.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

She's still on YouTube.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Robert Barnes]

I mean, what way to sum up, I tell people, look, if the Deep state was really scared of Candace's theory, she wouldn't be getting promoted on YouTube. One person is still banned on YouTube. Alex Jones. One person is getting promoted in the algorithms like mad on Google's YouTube.

[Alex]

And that was my point. I'm not trying to attack Candace. I have a responsibility to tell the truth. When I said I have to do this, they all spun and said, oh, he's being told to it. No, I have to because I knew radically. Even when people see this, where I like tell the truth and stuff though, even though it hurts me, I can't help it, I'm not stupid. And now I've talked to the Internet experts, seen the numbers. Nobody's had bot push like her. Nobody's pushed on the algorithm on Facebook, Instagram and YouTube. I told the story a few months ago when. During the. Eight months ago, during the confirmation of Kennedy, the week he's about to be confirmed. She comes out with Eddie Mercury guy and they do these shows and they, they literally say, oh, this woman might be Mossad. He might have given her a car. No evidence he might be an Epstein. We're about to release it all. And I went on a hike with a Navy SEAL buddy and his buddy. We all get out of the car that morning and like literally my phone, all their phones are being pushed. This like I've never seen before. So we all hike 2 hours listening to it. There's no information. And I'm like, man, is she an operative? This sounds like trying to take down Kennedy. I said, I need to look at her. And I kind of just moved on because my, my main thing's not infighting or focusing on their host. You know, I'm in raw data. But you look at that and so much more. She does. I don't know if she's doing it consciously or she's being handled, but I mean, it's right there, people. I'm banned on YouTube, I'm banned on Instagram, Facebook. She is literally force fed. And all the liberal shows love her. All the top Democrats are attacking me for attacking her.

[Dan]

I should, I feel like I should clarify this. Yeah, the liberals don't love her.

[Jordan]

Oh, they don't.

[Dan]

No one on the left cares about Alex shitting on Candace Owens about Charlie Kirk's killing yeah, people think it's funny that these two people who clearly don't believe anything they're saying are fighting with each other for attention.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's hilarious about nothing.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex doesn't really care about what Candace says or does, as evidenced by him deciding that she was maybe with the Deep State when she attacked rfk and then he just decided to ignore it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, why not?

[Dan]

Even if she was a Deep State agent in the Trump dipshit media, it didn't really matter to Alex because she wasn't interfering with his game. As it stands now, she's kind of a threat to Alex's game because she's the embodiment of what he used to be. Alex sees himself as the Rush Limbaugh of the new Trump New World Order, where he and the people aligned with him are the voice of state power. What's good for Trump is good for America. So Alex will always promote Trump's best interests and tell you that it's all about what's best for you. Conversely, Candace is insane. She's given up on the need to be associated with the power structure and decided to just be as inflammatory as possible. From getting sued by the Macrons, to blaming Erica Kirk and Turning Point leaders for being involved in Charlie's death, to doing sympathetic jailhouse interviews with Harvey Weinstein about how he's the victim of feminism.

[Nick Sortor]

Wait, what?

[Dan]

She has done multiple jailhouse interviews with Harvey Weinstein.

[Jordan]

All right, looks like we got a new captain Mark Richards coming up.

[Dan]

It's crazy. Like, I. I had not really realized that was something that. That she was on. I was flipping through her YouTube channel because Barnes is like. She's still on YouTube?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I was like, what the fuck is this?

[Jordan]

Harvey Weinstein that is fucking.

[Dan]

He's sitting there in prison talking to her, like, on video and everything.

[Jordan]

What. What is happening?

[Dan]

It's insane.

[Jordan]

What isn't allowable anymore?

[Dan]

It's feminism now.

[Robert Barnes]

I want.

[Jordan]

I want, like, I want lines. I want very clear delineations of where it is people are allowed to go because I didn't know you were allowed to do that shit.

[Dan]

I'm so sorry they're doing to this to you, Harvey.

[Alex]

What?

[Jordan]

What?

[Robert Barnes]

Wow.

[Jordan]

How people can do weird shit.

[Dan]

So Candace was always a conspiracy minded dipshit and she's decided that the path of her career involves staying inside that mentality. Trump isn't some crusading hero from heaven who's gonna slay the Deep State. They still exist and they're totally probably the Jews. But also, she never said that. And it's offensive that anyone would ever suggest that she did. How dare I?

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Dan]

Alex values his ability to appear close to power, so he's given up the fullness of his conspiracy world. It would be silly to pretend that the globalists are all powerful at this point. So Alex has had to shrink the whole thing. And to a conspiracy mind, that shrinking of scope looks a lot like someone saying, don't look over there.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's how Candace's audience is likely to see Alex, particularly now that they're clearly in a feud with each other. Alex has the same problem with someone like Nick Fuentes, but the calculation is different there. Alex is certain that Nick is a white supremacist, and he also knows that Nick's audience is full of irony, poisoned, cynical Nazis who see him as a net positive. He can be pretty sure that Nick's audience doesn't pose any threat to him as long as he's racist enough, and that's no problem. Conversely, he can't be really sure that Candace won't burn him just to put, like, it on her resume.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, she is chaotic in a way.

[Jordan]

It would be fun.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, he can't trust that she's willing to play the game.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And even though Nick is not willing to play a lot of the game, he's clearly not, like, invested in destroying Alex because he could have by now very easily.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. And the more. The more you engage with her in a way that allows her to push a little bit further. What you're actually doing is teaching her more powers in a way, you know, like, oh, you can do this. You can get away with this. You can get away with this. By fighting with her, you're only making her stronger.

[Dan]

And I think Alex would probably. Like, he knows her in as much as, like, she started on his show back when she was red pill black.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And, like, you know, like, so they, like, they have a history together.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Norm was her lawyer back when she was younger.

[Jordan]

Naturally.

[Dan]

And so, like, there is a fair amount of awareness of the two. And I think Alex knows that if he tried to, like, talk shit or talk shop with her.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That she might record him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, I don't. I think he knows that she's savvy enough that, like, don't even go anywhere near.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, at the very least, any connection, any touch will be something she's planned and it will be sharper on her side than it will be on his side.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Barnes is, you know, He's a little bit iffy on Venezuela. Sure. But he does think that Delta Force should break people out of U.S. prisons.

[Jordan]

Is that real?

[Robert Barnes]

I mean, I think one thing that some conservative were like, you know, it's great. Okay, we go down and get Maduro. Why can't we go and get Tina Peters? You know, the. I mean, I mean, isn't the federal government.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

The Delta Force to Colorado.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex]

Why not?

[Robert Barnes]

I mean, they're. They're a bunch of commies anyway.

[Alex]

Protection program.

[Robert Barnes]

So it is. It's what I've been telling him for forever, that she is a witness about federal election fraud. She is. They can use the writ of habeas corpus to go to federal court to get it, but they haven't done it because Todd Blanche keeps stonewalling him, keeps derailing him.

[Alex]

Him.

[Robert Barnes]

They keep sabotaging him because he wants to be liked by the New York Times crowd.

[Alex]

Goes back to Trump again. Why he has this blind spot for like, Millie and. And Barr. He. Why is Blanche still there?

[Robert Barnes]

The. He confuses personal loyalty with loyalty to the policies and goals and ideas of maga. That's problem number one.

[Dan]

This is very cute, but you'd have to be delusional to think that Trump is confused about personal loyalty versus loyalty to an ideology.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Trump has been crystal clear that personal loyalty is all he cares about. And if Barnes is confused, that's his fault.

[Jordan]

That would be. If he's confused, he's maybe the dumbest person on earth.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And his hat is pretty dumb.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Tina Peters is in jail for granting unauthorized access to voting machine information to a bunch of QAnon dipshits who went on to post it on message boards, which is a gigantic breach of sensitive data that also didn't prove any voter fraud.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

She was convicted by a jury on four felony counts and is serving a nine year sentence. Trump would have already pardoned her, but these are state charges, so. Ooh.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, that would. Yeah, that's really much the only thing.

[Dan]

I understand that there's a slight levity to this exchange that they're having, but this isn't an idea that can be floated on infowars in jest in the past. It's just ridiculous. These are the fingerprints of how far off the rails this thing is that they can just be like, yeah, let's send in the Delta Force to get a person out of a state prison because Trump can't pardon them.

[Jordan]

There is no more fundamental betrayal of the concept of states rights then the Then, like, well, we can keep them here. You know, like, if. If your level of sovereignty is such that the federal government can just go in and grab whomever they want from wherever they want, then you do not have rights.

[Dan]

Yeah. The state. The state laws don't exist.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They can't be enforced.

[Jordan]

They are. They're meaningless.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Cool.

[Jordan]

Well.

[Dan]

So fuck Barnes. He leaves disgraced. Like the hat that's on his stupid head.

[Jordan]

I definitely don't think he's a great law person.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

No. I don't think he knows what he's.

[Dan]

Doing, but I bet he can make a mean glaze.

[Jordan]

I bet he can.

[Dan]

I bet that's one of my disingenuous compliments. So he leaves, and we got another guest come in. And this guy is on the ground in Minneapolis. This is a guy named Nick Sortor.

[Alex]

Nick Sordor. Incredible job with all the work you're doing. Obviously. So proud of the work you're doing. Tell us the latest from your DHS sources and on the ground. What's happening?

[Dan]

This is.

[Nick Sortor]

This is chaos, man. It's absolute chaos out here. It's. And it's getting worse by the minute, really. I mean, I planned on doing your show live from the scene, but it's just way too unsafe for me out there. And so I drove away. And now I'm sitting here doing this in the car. And Alex, the mayor out here, the soy boy mayor who panders to the Somalis and the illegals out here, he is trying to start a riot. He is trying to start a riot. And Governor Waltz would love to see a riot out here as well, because that's the only way they're going to be able to distract from all of the rampant fraud that's going on out here. So that is part of the plan. Spark this up, set the city on fire. Because people will start talking about that instead of the rampant Somali fraud that they're all involved in.

[Dan]

I gotta say, I like his voice and that. It's a shit voice, but it's distinctive.

[Jordan]

It's a little Everybody Loves Raymond D. You bet.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's a little Romano.

[Jordan]

There is a little Romano in there.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

Debra, I want him to say Deborah. Isn't that his wife?

[Jordan]

Something like that.

[Dan]

Watch that show in fucking ever.

[Jordan]

All right. 20 years.

[Dan]

Brad Garrett. What was this?

[Alex]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

His character was just a guy who said Brad Garrett, and he was really tall.

[Dan]

Yeah. So let's assume that Nick Sortor and Alex aren't completely full of shit and that everyone is trying to cover up the extravagant levels of Somali based fraud. Does that make ICE shooting someone in the face okay? If I'm following their logic, there's a lot of Somali related fraud in Minneapolis. So ICE is there to arrest a bunch of people whether or not they're from Somali or have anything to do with fraud. The globalists don't want ICE to deport all their minions, so they're fomenting protests against ice, which then led to ICE killing a citizen. If that's okay, then I don't know who ICE could not justify killing. It seems like you could pretty easily reverse engineer a justification for them doing almost anything. If this is okay, it does feel available. I'm kinda glad that these people are just this fucking stupid now and don't even for a second consideration that it would be possible for them to continue supporting ice, continue to terrorize migrant communities and also be against this shooting in the past. They would feel obligated to pretend that they cared, which would just be annoying at this point. So at least they're just fucking. Who cares?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean it's, it is, it is so fundamental to the, the like. How would I put it? The corrupt nature of the entire organization. Because if you were at all sincere about what your stated purpose was as a government organized organization, you could just go, oh yeah, that guy murdered somebody. He's fired. That's one guy. Who cares? Who gives a shit if one guy is a piece of shit, we'll handle it. We'll just grab him, we'll fire him, we'll prosecute him and then we'll move on.

[Dan]

It sends a dangerous message that your army is infected with the Woke Mind virus too.

[Jordan]

But that's what I'm saying. To that purpose, if you were sincere in your agency, that's easily done and it won't affect your mission whatsoever.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

The only reason that you wouldn't do that is if your mission is completely separate to what it is supposed to be. And the only thing you can do is control every single person and never break ranks. Because if you show weakness for a single second, the whole house of cards will fall down.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's what, that's why you all have to have your fucking cosplaying social media ass administration figures talking like they're fucking King Leonidas or some shit like, right, you fucking Norsemen. The fuck are you talking about? Yeah, they have to present that image or else, or else it all. Yeah, the facade crumbles and we start to realize that this isn't okay.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And no one thinks this is okay.

[Jordan]

It's all image. That's what it is.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex and Nick Sortor, they have some new angles. They have some new. Some new video. And Alex has decided, oh, yeah, they totally like him. Hit.

[Alex]

They.

[Dan]

She hit that guy. The cop got hit.

[Nick Sortor]

There's another angle that I. I posted not too long ago. I don't know if you guys have that one queued up where it's, It's. It's from the other side. That one right there. And if you zoom in on it a little bit, you can clear. I don't know if you guys can do that live like that, but clearly you can see her hitting the agent with the vehicle.

[Robert Barnes]

Right.

[Nick Sortor]

He was standing in front of the vehicle.

[Alex]

And right there you can see him.

[Nick Sortor]

Being hit with the vehicle.

[Alex]

Yeah. Go full screen with the video, guys. You can see it right there. Started over. You can see that it actually hits him. He flies back. While that guy's reflexes were incredibly fast, though, look at this. This is incredible. Look at that. Boji hit him. Wow.

[Jordan]

It's clear as day.

[Alex]

A vehicle.

[Nick Sortor]

Alex, as you know, is a deadly weapon. She used a deadly weapon against an ICE agent, and in response, she caught a bullet to the mouth. I mean, that's just.

[Alex]

I mean, I'll give it to this guy, though. And I'm sad she's dead.

[Dan]

He.

[Alex]

You see him jump back. She still hits him. Going right at him. And he lightning fast pulls his gun. He said, because he might have hit other people and got her. That guy is like the fastest gun in the west.

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah, dude. And I went out to dinner with a bunch of these ICE agents last night, and I. I got to kind of know them and know their backgrounds and stuff. And these guys, they're on edge, right? Yeah, yeah. But they're super good at what they do. They're incredible people, and they don't want to have to do this.

[Dan]

They don't want to do it. So the footage that Nick is talking about is a wider shot from further away down the street from where the shooting happened. It's partially obscured by trees and another vehicle in between the person taking the video and the incident. It's also shot from above and to the right of where the cars are on the street. So the perspective makes it look much more like the agent who shot the woman is in the path of the car, but it's not if you look at other angles.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Just to be crystal clear about this, Nick Sordor is calling Alex mere hours after the Shooting, paddling, unconvincing videos and arguing this woman got. She deserved to get shot in the face. Is this journalism? He went to dinner with these guys, and they're on edge.

[Jordan]

I never considered. Because, you know, it. It just. I suppose maybe my. My sense of morals have kept me from. From truly being a good person, but I had never considered whether or not the Gestapo was nervous, you know?

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Like, I'm sure that they were stressed as shit. Yeah, they were on edge. They were on edge because what if there were consequences for the horrible, horrible shit that they did that would probably really bum them out and probably on.

[Dan]

Some human level, they don't want to be doing the stuff that they're doing.

[Jordan]

I mean, I always thought that they took a perverse joy out of it because of their inherently fucking awful nature.

[Dan]

I think you can also. Even if that's true, you can still not want to be doing those horrible things.

[Jordan]

I'll tell you.

[Dan]

Perverse pleasure in it.

[Jordan]

I'll tell you what, man. If I'm eating dinner with a bunch of ICE agents and they tell me how they're feeling, you get to know.

[Dan]

Their stories, you know, you get to know, you human. These are humans.

[Robert Barnes]

I.

[Dan]

You know, not like those dirty commie protesters.

[Jordan]

Maybe if there was a draft, like, I get some people in Vietnam being like, I'm going to follow orders. But also, I don't want to be here on account of the draft. Right, but you walked into an office and were like, I would like to kidnap people, please. I would like to keep them in cages, and I would like them to run away screaming when I come near. You chose that life.

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, there are. There are many opportunities to not do it and not get court martial.

[Jordan]

There's like, you could become a gardener.

[Dan]

See? No to the draft. Yes to the draft, Miller. Genuine. With my ICE buddies. That's what Nick Sortor says.

[Jordan]

I like it. I like it.

[Dan]

So, look, they're going to suppress this video because it's too damning. It shows this person running over an ICE agent.

[Alex]

This is outrageous. But because we have the video and you have hundreds of people attacking ice. They're. They're just arresting illegal aliens with huge rap sheets. Murderers, rapists, you name it. But because we have this so quickly, they're screwed. Because even when the footage came out from behind, it was clear. He looks like he jumps out of the way. No, he's hit. He's boom. And literally has. I mean, I'm. This is insane. This guy should be like a wide receiver or something. Boom. He's hit and I mean, and shoots her. I mean, God almighty. I mean, I've never seen such reflexes. So this is wild Nick. Sordor. Wow. What are they gonna do now that we have this frontal footage showing she indeed hit him with the car? I mean, they're. They're gonna try to suppress this, aren't they?

[Nick Sortor]

Yeah, no, they're gonna totally ignore it. They're gonna do nothing, Alex.

[Dan]

They're.

[Nick Sortor]

They're gonna pretend like this video doesn't exist because it is so damning for their narrative.

[Dan]

These dudes are jacking off on air about how the globalists are gonna suppress this video, but they seem to just be ignoring that. The video they're playing is watermarked from abc. They stole this video from the mainstream media, and now they' about how the mainstream media is never gonna let anyone see it. To be fair, though, Alex has cropped the video at this point so you can't see the ABC thing. That was nice, but he didn't catch that the first time that he coldplayed the video.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's rough.

[Dan]

This is all a game to them. They know they're fucking with people, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I would imagine Nick Sortor's most genuine question to any of those ICE agents is just like, what does it feel like to kill?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, that's fucked up.

[Dan]

I bet not even. That's almost too.

[Jordan]

You're right.

[Dan]

He probably was just basking in the idea that they might shoot someone else before him.

[Jordan]

Yep. If I'm. Oh, you know, it likes me. You know, what's crazy about the Nazis is that they don't care as much about loyalty as you might imagine. And, like, when you step out of line, they tend to hang just about everybody.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's good. Until it's not.

[Jordan]

It's weird how that works.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

But at least there's no way of knowing that in advance.

[Dan]

Nope. So Nick sucks. And he's, you know, just talking about what this lady was up to before she got killed by man.

[Alex]

What does she do beforehand? Maybe. Maybe you asked. But they don't just chase somebody and get around her car. Like, what did she do before to have them all rush her? They were trying to.

[Nick Sortor]

To pull her over because she was going after a sage of, like, following them around and. And harassing and.

[Alex]

And.

[Nick Sortor]

Which is a dangerous situation to begin with. Right. When they're trying to conduct operations. So they were just. They were trying to make contact with her and get her out of the vehicle.

[Robert Barnes]

Right.

[Alex]

And we've seen countless videos where they're following him, even bumping him, even attacking him. And ICE goes, stop it. And lets him go.

[Dan]

So Nick is reporting to Alex that the woman who was shot had been following ICE prior to the shooting. Because presumably this is what ICE agents who he's friends with and went to dinner the night before, you know, with him, told him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

This is allegedly journalism because I'm an old school Infowars listener. I know to a question authority and not just automatically trust the things that federal agents say.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Dan]

And that served me well because I didn't just fall for this bullshit like Nick did and then pass it along to Alec weird and disseminate nonsense. The woman was shot at 9:37am and we know that she dropped her child off at school at approximately 9. From all available information, her car pulled up at the location where the shooting happened a couple minutes before the incident. And it does appear that she moved her car in a way that looks like it's blocking traffic. Like parking, like perpendicular to the flow of traffic.

[Jordan]

Fine.

[Dan]

However, the same video shows that her car was positioned this way and a bunch of cars drove past her. So the argument that she was capable of physically blocking the street doesn't hold up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The same video that shows her in any way impeding traffic shows that she wasn't.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Further videos from right before the shooting clearly indicate that she was moving her car out of the road. You can see from cases like this how Alex's brand is built on weaponizing curiosity. If a bunch of kids get shot at a school, that's a mystery that no one wants to answer the hard questions about even years after all those questions have been answered. In cases like this where Alex has to defend the state killing a citizen on the street, there's a lot less anomalies that he's hung up on.

[Jordan]

Very straightforward.

[Dan]

Never gonna have to find a Wolfgang. How big about this one? Yeah, you're supposed to be curious about the things that Alex wants you to think are fake and accept whatever flimsy explanation he comes up with for the things you're supposed to ignore. That's the game.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. And then the, the secondary level of being able to like litigate to, to force you to try and litigate the justifications. You know, like if you just go back to first principle, the only reason this organization even exists is to kidnap and torture people. Right. And then you gave them guns. Eventually we were going to get here.

[Dan]

Well, if you mean the dhs, then it was meant. It was created to streamline ice. If you want kidnapping people.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Among different agencies. You know, like, it was supposed to.

[Jordan]

To coordinate, but, like, from the first principle of this organization, the goal was never going to be anything other than harm people. And then. And then you gave them guns.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's pursue policy through harm.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's not going to solve any problems.

[Jordan]

So the idea of being like, oh, what direction was her car going? It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. If it was her today, it was going to be someone somewhere, because that's what these people were created to do.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it was something similar the day before, and it'll be something similar the next day.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

And it's just that. This is fucking egregious. This is an example that's super, super obvious. But look, you can say a lot of things about ice.

[Jordan]

Sure, I can say a lot of things about ice.

[Dan]

One of the things you can't say about them. I challenge you.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

You can't say that they have any DEI going on. Totally don't. Ice.

[Nick Sortor]

If you notice, there's no DEI in ice. That's why they're so effective at their operations. That's why they're so, you know, laser focused and are very good at what they do. They're big, muscular dudes and, you know, the female agents are typically assigned to other roles, not apprehensions, which just makes sense. So messing with these guys in general is a bad idea. And some of the rioters. I'm gonna start calling them rioters that are out here now because I've been forced off the scene due to their physical aggression against me. I'm gonna need backup out here by tonight. I'm just telling you, they were trying to go up and push these ICE agents. And what happens next?

[Dan]

What do you think happens next?

[Nick Sortor]

They get shot in the face with a tear gas canister and then they start crying foul.

[Dan]

Nick needs security because he's an agitation agent. He's not a journalist. And it would be generous to even call him an activist. He's a piece of shit attention seeker who has no coherent ideology. And the direct result of his actions are that less people are safe. He puts people in danger.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I strongly suspect that he doesn't even understand, like, what he's doing, not being journalistic and how it has no merit because he was 10 years old when James O' Keefe's Acorn video came out.

[Jordan]

Holy shit.

[Dan]

He just doesn't know what reporters do. He doesn't know any better and thinks this is.

[Jordan]

I bet he thinks he's a great journalist.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's very notable to see how much someone like Nick seems to have no thought that the tide could ever turn on him. He seems very naive, kind of like a social media dipshit who's in way over his head and is a little high on feeling like the state power structure likes him. I don't see a long career here. This guy is Ray Romano, ish in the voice and Corky Romano, ish in the action. Would you like some cookies? I. I did. We. We talked at length about Corky Romano the other day.

[Jordan]

That's why I pulled it out.

[Dan]

I couldn't remember if we talked about it on the show.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't think we did. No, but there's only. I only have two Romano references.

[Dan]

Cheese.

[Robert Barnes]

I don't.

[Jordan]

I don't like cheese.

[Dan]

Oh, that's true. That's true, Corky. It is.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex has what I would describe as a stupid idea.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

Here. And I think if you listen to his show in the past, you'd be like, what?

[Alex]

And I'll say it again, the weak link is not dhs. They're doing a great job because it's a newer agency. Trump's got control. It is the FBI. I'm not saying they're all bad, but God help us. I mean, this is just insane. They should just disband the FBI and. Or just roll over the good agents and call them dhs. We don't need two federal law enforcements. I'm serious. It's time to get rid of it, folks. I mean, this is a complete joke. We get nothing but execution by DHS and Tom Oman and nothing but horseshit from the FBI that sit around a bunch of politically correct lawyers with their thumbs up their asses.

[Dan]

Alex should think that neither the DHS nor the FBI should be allowed to engage in policing. The FBI has law enforcement roles, but they can't enforce state laws. This kind of statement coming from Alex is just fucking insanity. And anybody who has any familiarity with his show should hear that and immediately recognize this dude has lost it. Him saying that the FBI should be closed, that's totally fine, and it fits with the character that he's been playing, but he should also want the DHS gone. Yeah, I'm starting to suspect that Alex's audience is largely artificial because no one who listened to him before 2015 could possibly accept this. And most of the people who started listening to him after Trump have To have moved on to the harder stuff by now. I know that when I went to the Tucker event in Pennsylvania, there were a ton of people in Infowars shirts there. But I'm beginning to think that it's all just a brand. None of them watch this shit. They've just. They have an idea of who Alex and Infowars are in their head, and that's what the shirts mean to them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex can come on stage and do the catchphrases and they'll cheer, but I can't imagine that there's an actual audience for this show, let alone one that could support a business. Like, it's. I really don't think that it's real.

[Jordan]

I mean, in. In a way I do. I would accept the interpretation of like. Like, part of the reason people support his show is so they don't feel like they need to watch it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, like, oh, I buy my supplements, but I haven't watched the show in a long time. I just support him, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. It's on auto. Auto ship.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't be surprised. I really wouldn't.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that there is a way that you can make enough money to get by on that.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But the studio, the watches that we now own.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

Like, I don't think you can have that kind of a lifestyle.

[Jordan]

Not. Not with. Not with this new world.

[Dan]

No, I don't think so. It's just. It's insane. I don't know. Yeah, I smell. I smell something fishy. And you know, Nick Sortor, he smells something fishy too.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

But it's soy. He smells soy.

[Jordan]

How can you be a soy boy that also wants to start a riot? Is that possible?

[Dan]

Totally.

[Jordan]

I'm confused as to how that works. Soy boys naturally don't want to start riots. Right.

[Dan]

They don't want to be there when the riot gets going. But they might, like, throw a milkshake at somebody from afar.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, a non dairy milkshake.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Soy.

[Jordan]

But like. Yeah, they got to figure out how to insult people. I don't think they're very good at.

[Dan]

I think soy boys would incite a riot. I think that that's not fair of you.

[Jordan]

I. I mean, I'm not saying that soy boys wouldn't incite a riot. I'm saying that by definition, the people who use the word soy boy use it to describe weak, effeminate men. Right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Therefore, it seems insane to call somebody a soy boy and then also be like. And they're Willing to stand up and shove a gigantic ICE agent, and then they're mad that they get shot in a tear gas.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

To be fair, the people that we've heard him describe as soy boys so far have been the mayor of.

[Jordan]

Oh, right. That's right. He wasn't calling the people who actually stand up to DHS agents.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Alex]

No.

[Dan]

The soy boy is the mayor who told ICE to get out of the city. Get the fuck out of our city.

[Jordan]

Right. Once again, standing up to a government agency known for kidnapping and torturing people.

[Dan]

Yeah, but a soy boy could do that at a press conference.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right.

[Dan]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Jordan]

I mean, we'll see what happens when he gets kidnapped and tortured by ice.

[Dan]

It's been about a decade since we've had to litigate what is and isn't a soy boy.

[Jordan]

I think that's what makes me frustrated. I thought we were done with soy boy. I thought we had moved on.

[Dan]

Now it's not gonna come back.

[Alex]

Here's the degenerate mayor.

[Jordan]

Degenerate mayor. And I have a message for ICE to ice. Get the fuck out of Minneapolis. We do not want you here. Your stated reason for being in this city is to create some kind of safety, and you are doing exactly the opposite. People are being hurt. Families are being ripped apart. Long term, Minneapolis residents that have contributed so to our city, to our culture, to our economy are being terrorized. And now somebody is dead. That's on you.

[Alex]

That's on you.

[Jordan]

And it's also on you to leave. It's on you to make sure that further damage, further loss of life and injury is not done.

[Alex]

That's another Gavin Newsom psycho. Hey, Trump, you want to win the midterms? It's all. It's already. The money's all been connected to them. I want Mayor Fry in prison. That little smart ass piece of crap. Nick Shorter comments on him.

[Jordan]

Well, what I can tell you, Alex.

[Nick Sortor]

Is these ICE guys aren't leaving because some soy boy mayor goes on TV and says something edgy. Says the F word on live TV so that he can have his cute little sound bite. No, they don't care.

[Alex]

They laugh at him. Him.

[Nick Sortor]

They laugh at him, and there's nothing he can do.

[Dan]

Is it journalism to call a mayor? You disagree with a soy boy? Is it law and order to demand that Trump jail a mayor who hasn't been charged with any crimes as a stunt to win midterm elections? These are people who pretend to be offended by talking head shows on CNN being too biased and mouthpieces of the establishment. The fuck. Like, this is ridiculous.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. You know, it is interesting to me because what's unspoken amongst all of these people is that local law enforcement is de facto in arm of federal law enforcement now. Right. So, like, if you are the mayor of Minneapolis, ostensibly you have the ability to command local law enforcement to keep ICE away, but none of them would ever even consider doing that because there's a very real possibility that the police force will rebel against you.

[Dan]

Well, I think that, you know, in the same way that when there was the, you know, the razor wire at the border, you know, there is this moment of what happens when there's conflicting federal and state orders.

[Robert Barnes]

I mean, it has to be.

[Jordan]

It has to be.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that no one really wants to force that issue.

[Alex]

No.

[Dan]

And I don't think that a lot of it is because you're worried that the police won't side with you. I think a lot of it is the uncertainty of what happens.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

If we are now in a standoff with federal troops, I mean, like, what. What. What happens then?

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

But I mean, that's. But he's. But that's the point that Nick Sortor is making. Correctly saying that there's nothing that this mayor can do about it is because the only thing that the mayor can do about it, they won't do.

[Dan]

Well. Well, yes. And I think a large part of it is also articulated by Sortor, and that is that, like, the. They're not scared.

[Robert Barnes]

Right.

[Dan]

Like the side that could, in theory, throw ICE out of the state.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

Is. Is scared. Yeah, they are scared. Because I think people rightly think Trump will probably want federal agents to shoot cops.

[Jordan]

Yep, absolutely.

[Dan]

If it came down to it, 100%. And I think that no one wants to look at what that world looks like.

[Jordan]

It would be the best thing for all of us if there wasn't an actual police versus federal police standoff, because Lord knows how that's going to turn out.

[Dan]

I don't think it's the best thing.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Dan]

Isn't that what you just said?

[Jordan]

I mean, as, in terms of. It would be better for everybody if there were fewer people in law enforcement, but.

[Dan]

Well, I do. I do think they would have less time to arrest people for petty crimes and drugs.

[Jordan]

There's definitely that.

[Dan]

That being said, I would rather not live in a state where there's. There's armed factions each other.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, that. The problem there is that sooner or later you're going to have to liberate the prisons. And then we're talking. Then we're talking real shit going down. Once people are like, hey, since there are no laws now, can we not be in prison? All this is going to fall apart.

[Dan]

I sold weed. Right?

[Jordan]

I sold weed. And that guy's a murderer. Well, what are you going to do?

[Dan]

I don't know. I think that there is, like, something really ominous about the, like, Nick sort, or pretending to be a journalist coming on to Alex's show that pretends to be about news.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And being like, ICE isn't scared of you.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The very concept of your. This law enforcement is a. Isn't afraid of you is like, yeah, yeah. That is not how this organization is supposed to work. Nobody is supposed to be afraid of anybody. Well, I know law enforcement. You're just supposed to enforce laws. You're not supposed to be like, ah, I'm also scary.

[Dan]

Allow me to quote Thomas Jefferson, maybe. But Alex, definitely quoting Thomas Jefferson is what I'm quoting.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The government that fears its people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That's good. People fearing government bad.

[Jordan]

We are the government. We're the people are the government and the people are the same. Law enforcement and the people are the same. We're all the people. None of us should be afraid of any of us. Nah. Okay, fair enough.

[Dan]

So anyway, this mayor, so, boy, he's trying to embolden his goons in antifa.

[Nick Sortor]

Nobody is actually threatened by this guy, but what he is doing is he is positioning himself to be able to say when one of these leftist goons that he has empowered out here that goes and God forbid, kills an ICE agent that he hopes so badly will happen, he'll be able to say, yep, I told them they should leave. It's their fault. They should have left when I told them to leave. So it's their fault that one of my lefties went out and killed an ICE agent.

[Alex]

Notice the talking point before Trump even got back in is ICE is gonna go kill the illegal. But because they've been so restrained under attack and it happened, so now it's like, you're going to die if you don't. And now finally she's ramming him with a car, she dies. And he doesn't wait to see what happened. He immediately says, this is your fault. No, it's your fault for running an invasion against this country.

[Nick Sortor]

So, I mean, it's all about the talking points, man. All about the talking points.

[Dan]

No shit. So we're clear, if ICE kills more people, we should blame whoever they kill.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Also we should blame the mayor of Minneapolis for getting everyone worked up about ice.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And we should abstractly blame past presidents for causing an invasion of immigrants into the country.

[Jordan]

Better believe it.

[Dan]

No matter what happens in the future, we can be sure of one thing. It will not be federal agents fault.

[Alex]

No.

[Dan]

If they kill more people.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

Get that out of your head.

[Jordan]

There can never be any concept of responsibility for what they do.

[Dan]

Yeah. And all incidents can be excused and are your fault.

[Nick Sortor]

Yep.

[Dan]

Cool.

[Jordan]

I think that's a really great recipe for a fun and happy government filled with. With happy and fun people and Americana.

[Dan]

So Nick Sortor is just one man. He wishes he was.

[Jordan]

Well, he's also. Him and then a bunch of ICE agents that he likes to get dinner with.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, they share a lot of goals in common.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But he is of one body. He can't split like Michael Keaton.

[Jordan]

Can't be in multiple places, multiplicity places.

[Dan]

He fucking wishes he could. Because then he could cover the news better.

[Jordan]

Oh my God, Alex.

[Nick Sortor]

One of the biggest, biggest problems that I have right now is figuring out where the hell to go next. Because there's so many places and I'm one person. So many things going on all over the country in California and in Ohio. And we're hearing about places in Washington state that are just full of these Somali.

[Alex]

Don't forget Operation Paper Trail where they had paid off 97 cops for running murder for hire with a Somali running it all with the government that never hit the national news. I mean, this is. They broke into a safe house with computers, tens of millions and millions of cash. All the hits they'd done, murdering cops that spoke out. Have you seen Operation Paper Trail?

[Nick Sortor]

No, I haven't.

[Alex]

By the way, I didn't do that to dunk on you. I didn't know about it either until last night. People think that nothing's being prosecuted. No, it never makes it out of the local news.

[Dan]

So there may be a reason that Nick hasn't heard of Operation Paper Trail. And that's because it's not something from real life.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

It's actually a series of missions in Grand Theft Auto Online.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

The missions do involve raiding safe houses. So I think that someone may have printed out a tweet about GTA and it found its way into Alex's stack. And he thinks it's real.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

He wants us to believe that 97 police in some unnamed city were involved in a murder for hire scheme where they kept computers and lists of all their past hits in a safe house. The Fuck are you talking about?

[Jordan]

That seems very. Almost video gamey. Yeah. In terms of logic.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know how like huge it is when there's one person involved in a murder for hire thing.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's a big deal because it's happened so rarely and it is so interesting. 97 cops, they make 2000s out of it. They make. There's so many true crimes. There's just so many fucking true crime blanks.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

We would know about a true crime as fascinating as 97 cops have a secret fucking organization.

[Dan]

I think I've watched more than 1/2 hour video on the Internet about a woman who hired someone who was a undercover cop to. To kill her husband. I think. I think I have taken the time and watch it. I'm like, oh, this is fascinating. If there was 97 cops involved in a racket.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's been a documentary and a fictional version of a show about a guy whose wife was maybe murdered by an owl. The fucking staircase, man. Like, these people are nuts. Of course we know about this already.

[Dan]

Yeah. And like cops were killed to keep it quiet. This is a fucking amazing.

[Jordan]

Absurd. Absurd.

[Dan]

Anyway. I think it's from Grand Theft Auto.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's probably from Grand Theft Auto.

[Dan]

So Nick Sortor leaves and Alex has to clear something up.

[Jordan]

Up. Yeah.

[Dan]

Because he sounds crazy. Yeah, a little bit.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And maybe like a hypocrite, but he's not sure. Well, he's not.

[Alex]

By the way. You people online, the left are like, Jones is a hates the feds. Jones hates law enforcement. Jones is worried about martial law. But now that Trump's doing, he loves it. That's none of that true. I'm on there 32 years in April coming up. 31 plus years. I said, I'm not anti government. I'm anti unconstitutional government. Government. When you've been hit with 40 plus million illegals the last 15 years, it's total bedlam. They're being signed up to vote. All this mass crime and then the feds finally do their job. I 100% back them. It's all about leadership. So that's where we are.

[Dan]

That's where we are. So this is everything you need to understand, Alex. Assuming that you've also listened to thousands of hours of him talking wild. He was always about wanting the government to do a certain thing, namely kick out all the non white people from the country or be so hostile towards them that they want to leave. He's always wanted a white nationalist infrastructure of government that caters to what he believes to be the Natural order which prioritizes the desires of straight white men over the rights of everyone else. However, early in his career, that sounded bad. Back in the day, you'd get treated like David Duke if you said things like David Duke. And that was no way to get rich.

[Alex]

Rich.

[Dan]

Even more than getting rich, Alex desperately needs to be accepted and think that everyone thinks he's cool. And he was smart enough to recognize that if you were openly Pat Buchanan, people were gonna treat you like Pat Buchanan. So he hid. He made his criticisms appear to be political, when in reality they were just kinda based on racist vibes. Alex was more successful than pretty much anyone ever in terms of pretending that his hatred of the government was based on some bullshit ideas about states rights or Posse comitatus, when in hindsight, it was an awesome gamble that he took. That gamble would always pay off as long as there wasn't a federal government in place that might make your dreams of a white country come true. Until that point, you can hide all of your bullshit behind criticisms of the state and how tyrannical DUI checkpoints are. But now the government he's always wanted is in place and they're achieving the results he's always wanted through the means he's always pretended to oppose. He can't just tell the audience that he was fucking with them about that police state stuff because that might actually get him killed. And even if it didn't, it would severely impact his self image. He's a liar, but as long as he pretends not to be, he can feel like he's not. He wants the audience to stop calling him a hypocrite because to the thing that mattered to him, he's not been hypocritical. All the stuff he's transparently hypocritical about, that's all just the stuff. He was using a mask to hide his core values. So it's kind of annoying that his audience would get caught up on that and be like, hey man, I thought you didn't like the police state.

[Alex]

Oh, no, no, no, no.

[Dan]

You don't understand. This is about white stuff.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He couldn't be more clearly trying to indicate this to the audience. Yeah, it's pretty embarrassing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it is interesting that to this day, no matter how many different iterations of this story there are, at no point in time does the genie show up. And he's like, I'll grant you three wishes. And the guy goes, goes, I've seen this shit before. I don't want Any fucking wishes. Go back into your lamp. Leave me alone. Leave me the fuck alone. Right. But somehow we still are like, I'll wish for this. It'll probably go great.

[Dan]

I think there. I think there are just enough good genie stories. Yeah, yeah. Just enough people think they can take that well.

[Jordan]

I mean, Robin Williams being a genie really takes a lot of the ironic punishment out of it. That was a pretty important part of the story for a long time.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I got pretty excited because Barnes was on, Nick Sortor was on.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

And then Alex was like, I'm gonna go to calls.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Alex]

And I think.

[Dan]

I think I got pretty excited about that prospect because I don't think his audience is into this.

[Jordan]

They shouldn't be.

[Dan]

I like to believe that the infowars audience, whatever there actually is, sure would be like, hey man, cool it with this. Let's not be down with ice shooting someone.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

Spoiler alert. He never goes to calls. He teases it. And then it never happens. Which makes me think he got some calls that were going to be saying.

[Jordan]

Hey, man, screen some calls.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. So instead he just complains about how bad white people have it.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex]

Finally we stand up and say, we're going to deport all these people with huge criminal records. And he's throwing fits saying, get out of here. You're the ones that did this. No, you and your party did this. Invading this country. And we're not guilted by your political correctness anymore. Though I had. Oh, God. Without even looking for it, I saw a bunch of videos in the U. S. Australia, you name it, where little five year olds go to public school for the first time and they're crying and saying, I wish I wasn't white. I learned I'm a bad person today. I hate it. That happened. I got four children when I'm still little. That happened to one of my kids a year ago. Imagine little kids are teaching on their bag as they're white, trying to. And I play all the clips of the administrators, like, we need to teach whites they're bad. It's all insane, folks. It's all divide and conquer. And Mandami saying, yeah, whites can't own their own homes. We're going to take white people's homes and give it to other people. They're not going to give brown people anything. They're just selling you on tyranny to get you to accept is crazy.

[Dan]

Damn, man, I wonder how Alex is seeing all these videos not even looking. All these white kids crying about how they're made to feel bad. So I wonder if he's following a bunch of Nazis on social media. I would probably put it in his feed.

[Jordan]

Probably.

[Dan]

So Alex will see a tweet that's lying about something that someone who works in Momdani's office says, and he'll twist it and report it as Mamdani, saying that white people's homes are going to be expropriated and given to brown people. And that's not true. But it's true to how Alex feels because he's a racist. Kids at school being taught about non white historical figures or them learning about colonialism isn't them being taught that white people are bad. But it feels that way to Alex because he's a racist. He's a sensitive loser who helps other sensitive losers feel okay about their inability to cope with the modern world. And this looks really sad.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, on the other hand, if this is white people being crushed under the boots of tyranny. Not bad. Not bad. I could think of a lot of different boots of tyranny that have crushed a lot of different people over the years. Way worse than this.

[Dan]

Did you see that guy take a knee?

[Jordan]

I know. I mean, did you see that? And then they punished him. And because he was so great. Then the last football game I saw, the Bears were in the playoffs. All of them with their hands on their hearts, singing the national anthem. This was shortly after she was shot, by the way, by ice. Seeing the national singing their fucking hearts out about how much they love America. Thank God that we are not crushed under the boot of tyranny. Of a guy taking a knee.

[Alex]

But here's what you don't.

[Dan]

Here's what you're not taking into account.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

And it makes sense because you're a soy boy.

[Jordan]

I am a soy boy. Can you be a leftist goon and a soy boy? Or is it soy boy or goon?

[Dan]

Look, everyone wants to talk about how, like, Kaepernick had it so bad, right? Like he was kicked out of the.

[Jordan]

League, baseball, the whole thing.

[Dan]

But really the victims are white people who want to watch football because he was good.

[Jordan]

I mean, you're right.

[Dan]

They were deprived of watching him having the potential great career that he could have had. Do you not think about that? That's oppression.

[Jordan]

I can't remember whose joke it is, but it was just something like man football in the. In the sec. That's keeping a lot of white racists from doing bad.

[Dan]

Fair.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Dan]

So look, people are mean to white People. And Alex has had enough of it.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Dan]

Like fema, they're so mean to white people.

[Alex]

And I mean, I've got just today, dozens of videos I haven't gotten to. They're just administrators, state and federal saying white people are bad and we're going to take everything they got. And it's all white women doing it. And it's like, it's just even real. Remember that came out. White people don't get help in the Carolinas. That can't be real. Then the manual comes out, the zoom meetings. It's a bunch of fat white women and weird fat gay guys. A couple of black ladies going, yeah, we used to help everybody, but. But we don't help white people now. And you're just like, if I was at fema, I'd help any.

[Dan]

Help everybody, like a good man. So FEMA didn't say that they didn't help white.

[Jordan]

That's shocking. I can't believe that. It almost sounds like it's not real.

[Dan]

Yeah. Some racist dipshit on social media posted that claim. And the backup for it was FEMA's 2022-2026 strategic plan, which articulated a policy of, quote, the consistent and systemic, fair, just and impartial treatment of all individuals.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

FEMA said that their goal was to treat everyone equally. But to Alex, that feels like them saying that they're not gonna help white people because he's a racist. This is loser stuff. That's really, I think, what. How effective it was when people started calling people Trump. Weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

For a little while.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

This is loser shit.

[Jordan]

This is loser shit.

[Dan]

Go with, like, this is the branding. I mean, a fucking loser.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I just don't understand how it is that these people can be like, can puff their chest out and then also be this, this, this soft, you know, it is. It is wild.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it also just shows the limitations of language. Like, no matter how emphatic you can be about, like, no, I'm using the word equal because it equals equal. I don't know how more equal to describe the word equal as. It's a balance, an equality, a shared equalization.

[Dan]

But, you know, Alex needs them to bend over backwards. And whenever they say equal, bring up white people too.

[Jordan]

Like, I mean, it is.

[Dan]

If you don't, I'm gonna get worried.

[Jordan]

It is.

[Dan]

I'm gonna get worried. And I'm. I'm sensitive to that stuff. Stuff.

[Jordan]

It is the concept of, if you have been on top of a pedal pedestal for so long, treating people equally Is treating me worse. Yep, that's the, that's just the bare concept.

[Dan]

That's how it feels to Alex.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

And he's lying about the reality of it to make other people feel that way too. Yeah, because he's a racist and he wants more racists.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you can feel like that. Or you could feel instead like white people have kicked everybody else out of the fucking boat and it's keeping them drowning. And maybe we could just help him back up on the boat.

[Dan]

Boat.

[Jordan]

Ah, never mind.

[Dan]

So Alex is just. I think he doesn't want to talk much more about the shooting because he's getting real into the. The race weeds.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

He starts talking about people in the service industry, how everybody wants white customers.

[Jordan]

Fine, fine.

[Alex]

You know, they got industry studies I've seen before where I've been looking for them. I say that just to see this stuff. People will tell you, Black folks will tell you that are in the service industry, that they, they've done service. They said, we love white customers, whether it's a massage or a waitress or a barista. Because white people are the biggest tippers. Did you know that on average, not white liberals are the lowest steppers, but white conservatives. And it's not even some guilt thing that a white person gives a big tip to a black person. The black person already knows. Oh, white people, if I'm nice, they're going to be really nice because they want to be nice. And then if I come over them nice, I get a giant tip. On average. That's how the real world works. But Hillary Clinton has come out in books, witnesses, how people that worked with her as a security. She doesn't just never tip when she goes to a restaurant. Most of the time she doesn't even pay. Because these are predators, folks.

[Dan]

Oh man. So Alex is making an interesting and entirely made up point here. But because he brought it up, I should tell you that the entire reason we have a tipping culture in the United States is because of sub minimum wages that were a holdover from slavery.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

If you go to other countries, it can be seen as rude to tip people in service industry positions because it implicitly assumes that their job is worth less than some other job that you wouldn't tip someone for. We've taught ourselves that it's just a nice thing to do. And obviously tipping someone is better than not in our current economy. But let's not kid ourselves here. We wouldn't have a service industry where labor costs are subsidized by customers if it weren't for business owners in the south looking for ways to continue to enslave people after the Civil War. Yeah. Anyway, I'd love to see the studies that Alex is citing here. I imagine it's a paper published by Grand Theft Auto University.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Jesus Christ. An asshole.

[Jordan]

I don't know how clearly to describe systemic abuse, but I mean, he did a fairly good job. He just views it as like. And that's how it's supposed to be.

[Dan]

There have also been a fair amount of studies that have been done about implicit tipping bias that disfavors black people in the service industry from both black and white customers. Naturally, there's a pretty healthy body of analysis and research that's been done on that. So I just think Alex is stupid and maybe he follows a bunch of racists on Twitter and that's where he sees a lot of stuff.

[Jordan]

They tend to have motivated reasoning when it comes to what they think is happening. Tends to be. They think things are happening racistly against white people.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

All the time.

[Dan]

Yeah. It feels bad. And that feels good for him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

These people are insane. That's another good way of putting it.

[Dan]

So. Oh, Boo boo, boo, boo, boo, boo. We got a tweet about the shooting, so Alex has got to cover it.

[Alex]

Me. Major fake news operation from the left just got debunked. They claim the ICE agent shot the terrorist from the driver's window. Bullet holes are in the windshield. Even more proof this was fully self defense and was about to get killed. We already have the footage. All right, we're gonna go to break. Come back at the number. I'll take your calls. Cover news. But remember this. The variable, the default, the game changer, the person that decides whether this dog hunts is you. So I need your support. This sale is so insane. I have to check so many big sales lately. This probably is the biggest sale we ever had.

[Dan]

This is probably. Probably the biggest. So it's fairly obvious from pictures of the scene that there's a bullet hole in the car's windshield. But that doesn't prove anything. The officer fired multiple shots and the hole in the windshield is about as far to the driver's side edge of the window as you can get. But more importantly, you can't tell the angle that shot was fired just from the picture. It's notable that there's only one bullet hole in the windshield, though. If you take the one hole to be proof that the officer was right to shoot at this person, then you have to take the fact that there's only one Hole in the windshield as proof that he fired multiple shots after he was no longer in any danger. So Alex accepting this, great in the moment, but upon reflection, maybe looks back. Maybe there's no trigger discipline here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, well, anyway, it's a good sale.

[Jordan]

The biggest ever, maybe to commemorate the new level of licking of boot.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So anyway, Alex was gonna go to calls, and he has been teasing it, right? But then he comes back from break, and apparently one of his dumb employees has been waving around a piece of paper. And Alex is like, oh, I got to cover this big news. Unfortunately, I don't know what it is.

[Jordan]

That is a problem. All right, I just.

[Alex]

Thomas, one of our great researchers and producers, running around freaking out for like an hour, waving stuff at me. Read this. Read this. And I had so much going on, I was like, okay, I'm gonna read it. But then I get more info. I didn't read it. Oh, my gosh. And Trump, everything he says he's gonna do, he. He gets about 95% done.

[Robert Barnes]

He definitely tries to.

[Alex]

He just announced something today that if you wanted to drive a stake through the vampire Black Rock's heart, You would do. And so Thomas just came back here on the break, and he said, will you please read this? And Thomas is really smart. He's been all over this. So I said, well, Thomas, you just come in here next segment with us, you talk about it. But. Well, I'll tell you about it when we come back. We're gonna go to, you know, here's the deal. I can intellectually look at Trump and I can analyze him and say, he's way better than the Democrats, you know, lesser two eels. But at the end of the day, I sometimes get up on a Saturday morning, or maybe I wake up at 3am and can't sleep. And I just sit there in the dark, praying to God. And by praying, I don't ask for stuff. When I'm praying, I'm just like, God, God I like. And God's like that, Trump.

[Dan]

It's very funny how little Alex knows about whatever story he's trying to tease here. He's way out in front of his skis. Poor Thomas tried to get him to read a tweet, and Alex couldn't even put in that much effort.

[Jordan]

Not gonna do it.

[Alex]

Waving around a piece of paper. Alex, read this.

[Jordan]

You come on in. I don't do. I don't read. Yeah, I don't do the reading.

[Dan]

I don't. I have. I. I don't know what this says.

[Jordan]

Is it Audiobook.

[Dan]

I hope all those We Are Change people. And the 911 truthers who really hated the Iraq war are excited about how Alex is so deep in the weeds supporting a tyrant that he has to retreat to pretending God tells him to support the guy. Like, this is pathetic.

[Jordan]

I mean, man, if that's. I guess. I guess that. I suppose the thing about that that is great rate is that it's impenetrable. Right. If your whole argument is God tells me to do this, then there's no point in arguing about specifics.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Jordan]

Right. God has told you to support Trump, so it doesn't matter how many people you see murdered. God has told you to support Trump. The only problem is you didn't go see fucking Gene Hackman, man.

[Dan]

That's a huge problem.

[Jordan]

So your God bullshit means nothing to me. You're a lying piece of shit and your God's a liar.

[Dan]

Can I take you one step further? Yeah, I think I would feel that way. Even if he did go to Gene Heck.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

But he's a worm because he didn't.

[Jordan]

The fact that he didn't go to.

[Dan]

Gene, going to Gene Heckman or not, has nothing to do with God.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, that's definitely true.

[Dan]

Lacking faith.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yes. It is not about whatever God may or may not be real in Alex's estimation.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It is about if the God that he is professing is real, then he is also a piece of shit.

[Dan]

I've made a big decision that I'm gonna do on this show.

[Jordan]

We're gonna attack and dethrone God.

[Dan]

No, I'm going to say I don't believe Alex is religious.

[Jordan]

I agree.

[Dan]

I don't believe it at all. I think it's all fake.

[Jordan]

I think you're right.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I have been a little bit close to the vest about that because I don't think it's great to, you know, judge other people's privately held beliefs.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

I don't believe the sincerity of his religious beliefs.

[Jordan]

At the very least, public saying that. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So one of the reasons that I'm struggling with Alex and his relationship with God is this next clip. And I think. I don't know how to describe this other than to say that it sounds like God annoys Alex.

[Alex]

But at the end of the day, folks, anybody that uses half their brain and any, even intellectually does. Trump's way better than the Democrats and all the evil and all the liars are against him. So whether he's good or bad, or whatever, he's been put there. Make no mistake. Because at 3am when I get woke up by the Holy Spirit and told to get on my knees, I'll be honest, sometimes I'm sitting there listening to God, I'm just like, please, I got. And it's just like, get out there and warm Trump. They're going to shoot him down with a missile and put a bomb wound into a bag and they're going to try to shoot him. And the next month he shouldn't do any public events. And, you know, a month later, I mean, I'm just like, okay, I'll do what you say. So the end of the day, that's why I backed Trump.

[Dan]

It really sounds like Alex is describing God as annoying. This doesn't sound like someone who is in awe of or has respect for the divine. It sounds like someone who wants God to get to the point. He sounds like, come on.

[Jordan]

All right, you got it.

[Dan]

You're a boss who's calling a meeting, right? I've heard it already.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, God is wrong. According to Alex, the globalists didn't shoot a missile at Trump's plane and no one sewed explosives into their clothes or anything. His examples of things God told him to say were things that didn't happen. But more glaringly, as you brought up, God did tell Alex to go to Gene Hackman, and Alex didn't do it. It. He's a faithless servant, a worthless follower. I say this is a pretty solid agnostic who has no ill will towards religious people. The only way Alex could act like this is if he doesn't believe in God at all. He's constructing this entirely false Persona around him. Being a prophet who God talks to and sends on little side quests, but it's all made up. He sings his own praises on air while ignoring and forgetting all the times that he directly disobeyed God. And no God puts up with that kind of shit. I know that. Alex knows that.

[Jordan]

They tend not to like it.

[Dan]

There's one thing that Gods don't like and it's being mocked. Sure they're not chill about that.

[Jordan]

Not cool with it.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Usually not good with competitors. Ball would agree. Yeah, Ball got fucked up.

[Dan]

Yeah. When God tells you to do something directly and then you don't do it.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then you get on your radio show and you try to make money by talking about how great you are and how you do everything God tells you to do.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think. I think the only way you could do that is if you don't believe that there's anything that you're disrespecting.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I mean, I do feel historically that God is loathe to give direct commands for this exact purpose. Because if God gives a direct command and it's not followed, then the punishment has got to be godly. You know, you gotta fuck somebody real hard. And so, you know, that's how you get a guy in the belly of a whale.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

You got a really magically fuck with somebody.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So the idea of, like showing up at Alex's place at 3am and seeing him give you the like, wrap it up signal, motherfucker, you're dead. Mm. Right. Or you're talking to somebody who thinks it's hilarious. And that would be the devil.

[Dan]

Yeah, the devil. It. It checks out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

With him.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Smell passes a smell test. And it's sulfur.

[Alex]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

But like, yeah, this just. You can't treat God like this.

[Jordan]

No, no.

[Dan]

It's disrespectful.

[Jordan]

God is against it, generally speaking.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that Alex probably, like, he just recognizes that, like, I. I've been real bad.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If there's a God, I should have been struck by lightning by now or something. I'm gonna roll the bones on this.

[Jordan]

What if. What? Okay, let me throw this out at you. God is totally real, right. And this is his main source of entertainment. Like, this is God's Real Housewives.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, God goes to Alex's place and then comes back with all of his angels and they, like, sit in the throne together and he's like, can you. What? You. You're not gonna believe this. Listen to what I told this guy to do and watch him not do it. I'm fucking God.

[Dan]

Right, Right.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

Or like, Alex is just such a stupid drunk that God keeps telling him things and then it's like he and the angels get together the next day and they're like, I wonder how he's gonna interpret that.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

This game of telephone is gonna get fucked up.

[Jordan]

This is gonna be fun to watch.

[Dan]

Yeah. Anyway, I don't think he can respect God.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Dan]

Anyway, Alex's producer or researcher or whatever. Thomas, who's been waving that paper around.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

We get to this story, right? It's a classic. A classic fumble.

[Alex]

So analyzing Trump everywhere. He's got executive power. He's making the really good moves where he runs into brick wall as the doj and that invincible corruption. And Thomas Siska is a great producer here, great researcher, really smart. And I wanted to get him in Here to talk about this. Trump just came out. Blackstone craters after Trump teases institutional ban on single family homes. So you've got not just here, but in Europe and other places, the big banks, Blackstone at the center of it, which is a subsidiary of BlackRock, buying them all up for 40, 50% what they're worth, to literally drive the market up and enslave the people.

[Dan]

Alex knows nothing about this story, but he shouldn't be for it. Trump posted on social media that he wanted to ban large institutional investors from buying single family homes, which is completely against the free market stuff that Alex is supposed to love. Trump posting about this caused Blackstone stock to drop immediately, which under other circumstances might be seen as someone manipulating the stock market, but I guess that's cool now. Also, Blackstone is not a subsidiary of BlackRock, although they do sound similar because they both start with black, and then stones and rocks are the same thing.

[Jordan]

They are very similar. Yeah.

[Dan]

They're different companies, though.

[Jordan]

Odd. How do they do that?

[Dan]

So Larry Fink invested in Blackstone in the 80s, but he bought himself out in 1994. So he hasn't been involved with them for basically Alex's entire career.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And Alex has just confused these two.

[Jordan]

Just throw them all together.

[Dan]

It's fascinating how Alex works 20 hours a day and gets visions from God, but still has to make up lies to cover for the fact that he doesn't know basic details about the stories that he's lying to the audience about. Yeah, this is a big whiff.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, the only thing that I think about is, like, knowing what I know. If I was the president, a notorious klepto and a stealer guy, and I could manipulate stock prices, maybe I'd be like, I'm gonna do this. And when the price went down, I'd, like, buy a bunch of it.

[Dan]

I almost don't know if you would even be conscious of it.

[Jordan]

Right. Yeah. That's fair.

[Dan]

I don't even. I don't even know, like, if he just talks shit about tweets he's gonna post.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then the person who's around him, like, maybe makes money. I don't know.

[Alex]

It's.

[Dan]

It's crazy. The.

[Jordan]

Somebody'S getting rich.

[Dan]

I think a lot of people are.

[Jordan]

Right. Exactly. And that's not good.

[Dan]

Not this way. So, Thomas Young. Thomas.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

I don't. I don't want to be mean.

[Jordan]

Let's be mean.

[Dan]

Okay. He's stupid.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Thomas]

You had said last Saturday that you wanted to see some of the same energy that we saw in Venezuela happen here domestically. And I think we're starting to see it now. I mean, we're starting 2000 rating in Minnesota, bring back sort or starting this new year off very aggressively. And everyone knows that we have a really bad crisis in this country with BlackRock and private equity and I mean, they buy up so many houses that they have such huge inventory to the point where, you know, nobody can even buy a house. You're forced to corner the market and they can totally, totally control the market. And Trump is aware of this and, you know, you got Larry Fink involved in Panama and, you know, involved in different things with Trump and Trump knows these people are total crooks. But like you've said before, these, these institutions are in place. Trump is gathering them, just gobbling up, capturing them and using them to turn around this ship and get the globalists.

[Alex]

I agree. Some time in the last two weeks, Trump, you can tell when the whole other gear.

[Thomas]

Yes.

[Alex]

You can feel it like we're like. I mean, like it's like you're in a car and some thousand horsepower Hellcat and you finally hit the accelerator.

[Jordan]

We're there.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's true. I mean, it does feel different. I think he's escalated, certainly.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

His danger that he poses to the civilized world.

[Jordan]

Escalation is a really good point.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or a way of describing.

[Dan]

Yeah, it is kind of like you hit the nos.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

This Thomas guy is not ready for the air. No, he sounds uncertain and dumb and when he's explaining Trump's actions, it's too obvious. He's trying to convince himself that it makes sense.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Trump's letting BlackRock owned companies take over the ports around the Panama Canal, but he secretly wants to crush them and that's why he's tweeting about Blackstone, which are the same. Sure, man. All right, but what the fuck do I know? I thought Chase didn't have the goods and he basically owns Alex's business now, so.

[Jordan]

That's a fair point.

[Dan]

Maybe things will work out for young Thomas.

[Jordan]

Not on air, though. He could, I suppose.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Let's see what happened. Bring Chase back.

[Dan]

Just for the fun of it, I think. You know what? Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Mix it up. Who fucking cares?

[Dan]

Fucking Nick Sort or all over the place.

[Jordan]

Sortor and Thomas, that's what we've got. Sortor and Thomas and Barnes. None of them hold a candle to Chase. His weird Brendan energy. He's got a bleeding disorder, Dan.

[Dan]

He does have a bleeding disorder. Now, you know, it'd be really fucking fun. What if out of spite, Chase started his own show, brought in Pachec?

[Jordan]

Oh, and Troyer. Yes, yes, but he still owns Infowars. Yes, absolutely. What are you gonna do? Fucking stop me? Oh, you can't. I own you, right? Yeah. Now I own everybody.

[Dan]

I own you, Harrison. I don't want sortor.

[Jordan]

Oh, is Smith still around? Oh, Jesus Christ. Yeah, well, you don't get more irrelevant than those other hosts. All being gone and people still not knowing you're there.

[Dan]

Harrison Smith is furniture that's going to get repossessed whenever the state comes in.

[Jordan]

I mean, for the bankruptcy. If the lights get turned off and he is still in there, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Dan]

No one will notice.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

So, Trump, Amen, man. He made some bad. He had some bad ideas with housing. Sure. That 50 year mortgage thing.

[Jordan]

Well, oh, man, so many bad ideas with housing.

[Dan]

Listen to Alex's excuse for the 50 year mortgage.

[Jordan]

Let's hear it.

[Thomas]

And, and, and this is. This is huge. This is what we voted for. And now he's set to go to Davos in two weeks and tell the globalists directly to their face that there's a new sheriff in town and all this is coming to an end and Americans are going to be able to afford to buy houses again. We know that the 50 year mortgage was not taken. Well, when, when he announced that 50.

[Alex]

Years, he just floated that because they told him to. He wanted to pay attention. But here's the key.

[Dan]

What? Hold on. So I get that Alex is trying to move on pretty fast there, but did he just say that Trump suggested 50 year mortgages because someone told him to say it and he wasn't paying attention? Is that okay?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Can any politician just use that as an excuse for a bad idea?

[Jordan]

Now, I was, I was just, I was just repeating. Literally anyone nearby told me just a.

[Dan]

Short while ago, because I wasn't paying attention, because I don't care. Sleepy Joe, though. Mm.

[Jordan]

The idea of recognizing the housing crisis and then being like, and Trump is going to help.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Makes me so sad. It used to. I used to have anger towards something and now it is developed into us a deep and abiding sadness at tragedy. Like the idea that your brain would have been so warped and so fucked up and you would be so stupid that you're like, trump is going to keep these billionaires from exploiting the house market, housing market.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

The real estate guy whose dad was a villain for Bob Dylan.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. You know, slum lords are really interested in turning it all Around.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's a hospitality guy.

[Jordan]

It's because they're forced to be slum lords by Black Stone. Sure.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. It's. It's. It's dumb. It's dumb. And I think that the fundamental confusion between Blackstone and Blackrock only makes this sadder. Funny. Yeah. Question mark. Also, I shot someone in the face this morning.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Why are we talking about a dumb tweet that you misread? Red. Oh, well, maybe they'll kill Trump for this, though, this move that he made in the housing market.

[Jordan]

Absurd, but okay.

[Alex]

If they kill him for anything, it's gonna be this. Because we are 4% of the population, 76% of all drug costs.

[Dan]

Soy boys.

[Alex]

He's already cut that by half. Not enough, but a good move. It's already happening. He's already got energy prices cut, but he's only turned it back a little bit when it comes to overall inflation. But this issue of where BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, Blackstone literally are just buying up millions of houses and just sitting there empty to drive up prices and f. With us. They're not doing that other parts of the world. They are literally screwing us on purpose. They do it in Germany, too, and it should be illegal. It's absolutely. And so the fact that they. Donald Trump does what he says, the fact he's doing this, this is so exciting.

[Dan]

This stinks of something he's never going to talk about again.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

Because I think that once he's off air, he'll be like, oh, no, wait. Black water. Is that the same thing, too? No, because water and rocks.

[Jordan]

Water and rocks are different.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

What other black and then natural element.

[Dan]

Black fire.

[Jordan]

See, there we go. Black Earth. Black hair.

[Dan]

Hair is not an element.

[Jordan]

Hair.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Jordan]

My career. Yes.

[Dan]

Blackbeard.

[Jordan]

What. What is the opposite? I know there was a pollution guy in Captain Planet. There was a Captain Pollution or something. I. I don't know what level of escalation we've gotten, Pat. Captain Pollution seems almost benign at this point. Like, pollution's way low on the list of problems that a series of billionaire monsters would create a superhero for or super villain for. You know?

[Robert Barnes]

Know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that, you know, there was a jocularity in those cartoon villains. There was like, even Claw, you know, was like, I'll get you next time, Gadget.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, they kind of liked doing that.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know?

[Jordan]

Yeah. At least they were having fun.

[Dan]

We're not having fun.

[Jordan]

No one's having fun. Oh, no one's having fun.

[Dan]

Alex isn't really Having fun.

[Jordan]

No, no. I mean, that's what sucks. This so hard is it would be better if all of these evil fucks, we're at least enjoying it, you know, at least then I could be like, well, at least somebody's fucking happy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And instead they're making everybody miserable.

[Dan]

Yeah. And there's like a halfway. There's a going halfway with enjoying it. Yeah, it's, it's, it's annoying, it's weak. So Trump is going to sign an executive order about this, this home buying thing.

[Jordan]

I'm sure he will.

[Dan]

Yeah, totally.

[Alex]

So let's restate this. Trump says he's set to take action with executive order banning big institutional investors from buying single family dwellings. Yes.

[Thomas]

Incredible. And I really hope that that's what we're going to see today with this executive order. I'm really looking forward to him going to Davos and, and, you know, preaching this return to true American Americana and, you know, individualism and, and private ownership.

[Dan]

Trump did preach something. Speech was nuts. So he also didn't sign that executive order. But Alex really shouldn't be for this. I get that everyone is being hurt by the horrible economy that folks like. It only works for people like Trump and it's pretty impossible to deny socialist leaning policies. But if this is okay with Alex, then what is the line in terms of planned economies? I get that Thomas is saying that Trump is going to bring back ownership, but he's doing it by depriving the institutional investors from being allowed to own things. I know it sucks that they own everything, but why should we penalize them for being so rich and successful? So obviously the reason that we should encroach upon the rich people's rights in this case is because they've accumulated that wealth unfairly and because they're using that amassed wealth in a way that's detrimental to the public good. The market's never going to correct itself. So Trump has to step in to use the government to make sure that the individual little person has a fair shot. But if you accept that, then why stop there? Insurance is a pretty fucked up market that's totally outta control and not serving the public good. So how about a president just wave a magic wand and fix it with an executive order? Student debt loan loan Debt is bullshit. Payday loans are a criminal racket and tons of companies get away with treating their employees like shit. If you think the president could just ban institutional investors from buying homes, then there's no reason to think that they can't do all this other shit. Too. And basically we're doing this, then we're communist, Right?

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

All of Alex's forefathers in the John Birch Society would call this flagrant communism.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Trump saying what? Investors can and can't invest in the fuck.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, and it would be the. The barest attempt by any of the. Any of the other fucks to just be like, hey, maybe let's put a cap on how much we can get fucked by billionaires. Would lead to these fucks going absolutely insane. What? He's wearing a tan suit. Like, it would be insane.

[Dan]

Yeah. There'd be blood and tyrants. Absolutely. Everybody's kindergarten.

[Jordan]

The Tea Party started because rich people were under threat for five seconds.

[Dan]

Yeah. This is. This is nonsense. Yeah. I do imagine that someone with Alex's political set could be a like, oh, yeah. But it's unfair the way that the housing market exists, so the government should dictate terms like, okay, fine, Food too.

[Jordan]

Yeah, right. Once you start, guess what? I own everything. I will take your lunch.

[Dan]

Oh, no. So anyway, Trump's also taken over defense contractors.

[Jordan]

That's great.

[Thomas]

I mean, the other. The other Trump truth about the defense contractors.

[Alex]

I thought, yeah, let's talk about that.

[Thomas]

Pretty big.

[Alex]

The United States defense contractor. So much that.

[Thomas]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Thomas]

So President Trump is saying, all United State defense contractors and the defense industry as a whole, beware. While we make the best military equipment in the world, no other country is even close. Defense contractors are currently issuing massive dividends to their shareholders and massive stock buybacks at the expense and detriment of investing in plants and equipment. This situation will no longer be allowed or tolerated. It also executive pay packages in the defense industry are exorbitant and unjustifiable given how slowly these companies are delivering vital equipment to our military and our.

[Alex]

And let's be clear. Why can Russia three times outproduce us in convincing munitions? It's because they don't let anybody have a profit in that. That's a critical national security.

[Dan]

These guys sound like fucking lubricants.

[Alex]

Wow.

[Jordan]

I didn't. I didn't realize how above board Russian defense contractors were.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's the gold standard.

[Jordan]

Can't believe it. Can't believe it.

[Dan]

Also, like, what the fuck is going on? They're just reading the president's tweets on the show as if they're binding statements of policy.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

And again, should this be okay? I'm for it, but I'm a dirty leftist who thinks the government has a role to play in limiting the power of Corporations. Sure, Alex is a free market guy, but apparently businesses can't make a profit off selling weapons. Trump tweeted this shit out, and immediately the stock for the big defense contractors started dropping. Of course, then a little bit later he tweeted, quote, I've determined that for the good of our country, especially in these very troubled and dangerous times, our military budget for the year 2027 should not be $1 trillion, but rather $1.5 trillion. And just like that, the big defense contractors stock started going up again. Got to imagine someone made a lot of money off that. Kind of blatantly and brazenly corrupt.

[Jordan]

I've been. I've been criticized for having somewhat anarchic views in the past, but I feel like I've received a lot less criticism lately.

[Dan]

And I've been accused, and I think I've rightly been accused of being somebody who is in favor of a state generally.

[Jordan]

Generally.

[Dan]

Generally speaking, I think it takes very little to convince me that a state is necessary and good for the welfare of people.

[Jordan]

The burden of proof is on the non stateless is on the stateless.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm. I'm wobbly.

[Jordan]

Yep. Tough.

[Robert Barnes]

Soft.

[Jordan]

Yes. Encompasses a lot lately.

[Dan]

Oh, no. So look, there's a lot of news.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex, he wants to talk about the big stuff.

[Alex]

Sure. Where?

[Dan]

Like, did you hear about what Kennedy did?

[Jordan]

No, what did he do?

[Dan]

He made a new food pyramid.

[Jordan]

I hate all of you.

[Alex]

What about the food pyramid? Let's get that video ready.

[Robert Barnes]

Which is.

[Alex]

This is a great food pyramid. You got broccoli and chicken, you. And cheese and beef at the top. And then you've got, you know, other vegetables and fruits and avocado. And then way down at the bottom, you have whole grains. They've literally flipped it the way it's supposed to be.

[Thomas]

There was actually.

[Alex]

This is beautiful.

[Thomas]

There's actually an old south park episode where they.

[Dan]

That was.

[Thomas]

The whole premise is that Eric Cartman has a vision from Aunt Jemima and she says they lied. Child, it's the pyramid. The pyramid. They lied. And then he has a vision, the pyramid turns upside down, and that, like, solves the whole crisis that they were in.

[Dan]

Something that I find endlessly fascinating about folks like Alex and the people who work for him is their inability to understand fiction. But specifically cartoon Cartman. There's something about Cartman that shuts their brains off. And I think a big part of it is that they're jealous of his freedom. He's an asshole who's wrong about pretty much everything. And the rest of the kids just have to put up with him. They wish that they could be so loudly racist, sexist, and generally a piece of shit without everyone just deciding, I don't want to talk to you anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In the real world, Stan and Kyle would stop hanging out with Cartman, but in the TV world of south park, the rational people are forced to deal with that asshole for the sake of plot and conflict.

[Robert Barnes]

Yep.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Dan]

On a level I think they can't even express. They love Cartman and covet what he has, but they also kind of get that he sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The show is so clear that he sucks and yet they love him and see something aspirational and it makes them unable to see. Like, do you think that Cartman is the vehicle of truth about the food pyramid?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

This unhealthy boy.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He is. This is how they're going to convey this. This makes. This makes sense.

[Jordan]

It is. It is a. I would say it's a thing that most people I have found to disagree with politically have in common is an inability to interpret fiction as a language only as something that they can then have.

[Alex]

Have.

[Jordan]

You know, like, I have this thing that was made for me, and so I can make it whatever the fuck I want as opposed to somebody has made something and a way of opening a conversation with me. You know, we are both together creating this as we go forward.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Instead of, you know, understanding that there's a validity to your experience of the art as well as the art outside of your experience. And what does that say about, like, how you experience it? The interplay of this is what is interesting.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And, yeah, I do. I agree. I think that. But it's also, to a man, they don't get Cartman.

[Jordan]

I agree.

[Dan]

I think it's.

[Jordan]

There is a secret there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're totally right.

[Dan]

I think there's something about Cartman that, like, they like people like Alex and his milieu.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They see, like, the consequences of his actions. Like, people being like, you suck. And they feel bad for him as opposed to recognizing that he sucks.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They feel. Because they've felt that in their life.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They've felt people not want to hang out with them because they won't stop calling them a Jew or whatever.

[Jordan]

Right. And the problem is, it would be fine for them to hang out with themselves, except they don't make anything. They're. Everything they make is trash. Nothing they do is enjoyable because they exist to make things not fun. So they want to hang out with all the fun people. But the Fun people don't want to hang out with them.

[Dan]

Well, and there's even a whole arc where Cartman gets a girlfriend and she turns into Cartman and he can't stand hanging out with himself.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

Because these people don't want.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

That actually they want to annoy the other people. People.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Anyway, yeah. I know that you scoffed when I brought up that RFK had made a new food pyramid.

[Jordan]

I did scoff.

[Dan]

And I think that you thought that that was a minor thing.

[Jordan]

I was really hoping it was a minor thing.

[Dan]

Let me see if I can change your mind.

[Jordan]

God damn it.

[Thomas]

RFK is telling the public this, that, you know, with the grains at the bottom. It's not just any grain. Most grains are highly processed, covered in preservatives. Do not eat that. You know, eat very minimally good quality sourdough and good quality rice. And, you know, that's, that's, that's at the bottom of the pyramid. That's not something that you're eating for your main sustenance. So that's a huge step in the right direction to reverse the course. And all the diabetes. That's beautiful.

[Alex]

They'll say, oh, you're cheerleaders. Yeah. This is light years better than Democrats. You imagine what would happen if Kamala was in right now?

[Thomas]

Well, this is, you know, we. We've been saying the golden age. This is starting to look like it.

[Jordan]

Is it.

[Dan]

Can you imagine the horror of what Harris would have done with the food pyramid if she'd won?

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

I got chills thinking about it. Like, she'd probably replace vegetables with human babies.

[Jordan]

I can't think of a worse, lesser of two evils than who would do better at the food pyramid.

[Dan]

Oh, I think I, I, I mean, I'm convinced. I, I'm so the opposite.

[Jordan]

You know, I would prefer personally to live in, like, a North Korea kind of situation, because then I wouldn't even have to bother trying to talk myself into why fearless leader is a genius for flipping the food pyramid upside down. I just have to eat different. I could just be told to eat different. I wouldn't have to be like, holy shit, what a genius. He flipped the food fucking pyramid around.

[Thomas]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I mean, Alex, like, he's fighting the devil, and he knows everything about, like, secret government programs. And I just think caring about the food pyramids a little silly. And if it's a sign of the golden age.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I can't take this serious.

[Alex]

Totally.

[Jordan]

I mean, the idea of being somebody who is so deferential to Power that you would be like fucking jerking them off over a food pyramid. That's. That's too far. That's too far.

[Alex]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Eat a fucking candy bar.

[Dan]

Yeah. Christ. So Alex moves on from the. The food pyramid.

[Jordan]

Thank God.

[Dan]

Groundbreaking news.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also I shot somebody.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

But he wants to force BlackRock to sell all their homes that they have.

[Robert Barnes]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Fine, fine. Who, who fucking cares or believes anything, right? Who gives a shit?

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Thomas]

And in the first week of the. I'm looking for Trump to keep his.

[Alex]

I want to go further.

[Thomas]

I want further.

[Alex]

Blackrock and State street and Blackstone to divest of their property. Yeah. Mandami wants to just take it from white people. No, no, we're gonna take it from. But no, you just gotta sell on the market your single family homes.

[Thomas]

Right? I mean, I, I'd imagine there's gonna be a mass.

[Alex]

I'm just saying give them their own medicine back.

[Thomas]

Yeah, I think there's going to be a mass that way.

[Alex]

Black people, white people, whoever can buy the damn house, they're not people. You want some welfare distribution? How about that? Oh, no, because, you know, it's blackrock and all them funding all this communism. How about we. You want your planned economy, we'll give it to you.

[Thomas]

Well, I can't wait to hear Larry Fink's response to all this.

[Dan]

Larry Fink did come out with a comment about this, which was to clarify that he has nothing to do with Blackstone. So it's weird that social media people were taunting him about this story.

[Jordan]

It does feel very strange.

[Dan]

So no need to wait any longer. Young Thomas.

[Jordan]

It would require some sort of mass grouping of people who can't tell the difference between rock and stone.

[Dan]

I think I'm gonna label Thomas a Squire.

[Jordan]

Thomas the Squire.

[Dan]

Yeah. Young Thomas.

[Jordan]

Squire Thomas.

[Dan]

Young Thomas is too much like young Jamie, which is what Rogan called his Google guy.

[Alex]

Sure.

[Dan]

So I need. I need something else that's pejorative and makes him sound. Young Squire seems to work.

[Jordan]

Squire sounds good. I wouldn't mind that.

[Dan]

We'll workshop it. We may never see him again.

[Jordan]

It wouldn't bother me.

[Dan]

So, just to be clear, Alex believes that Trump needs to bring in a police state in order to stop the globalists from bringing in a police state. And he needs to enforce a planned economy to stop the globalists from enforcing a planned economy. And he seems angry in a way that's too transparently racist. But none of this makes sense.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

If you have an opposition to a planned economy or a police state.

[Alex]

State.

[Dan]

The solution Is not preemptive planned economy or police state.

[Jordan]

It doesn't seem to make sense.

[Dan]

That kind of tells me that those are just the things you want.

[Jordan]

I mean, the fact that we are so fucking scrambling to the point where I think BlackRock should have to digress with shit. Kind of tells you exactly how much that lady got murdered. That lady was murdered very much.

[Dan]

Does not want to take calls about it.

[Jordan]

No, no, no.

[Dan]

It's glaring. The amount that he said he was gonna take calls.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the amount he's talking to Thomas.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's. It's an indication of. I don't want to do that.

[Jordan]

I don't want to. I don't want to have to face the music.

[Dan]

And then he spends like 15 fucking minutes ranting about how black people had it better under Jim Crow.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And how the Godfather is real and how he wants to play a clip from the Godfather and then he has people Google it.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Try to pull it up. And it's really hard for them to find.

[Jordan]

Clips of the Godfather are hard for them to find.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean it might not be the varsity squad.

[Jordan]

It doesn't feel like it.

[Dan]

Thomas is there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Robert Barnes]

Thomas is out.

[Dan]

Thomas was on Mike.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, boy knows who's behind the Google board.

[Jordan]

We're having a rough go.

[Dan]

So anyway, I just have one last clip and I think that. I think that Alex is trying to say some things.

[Jordan]

Oh yeah.

[Alex]

Now here's a few clips, I believe hundreds of these case of the UK government saying we're going to give white people longer sentences and we're going to throw white people in jail. And they're doing it. You pray in front of abortion clinics, three years in jail, you rape a kid, you're a Pakistani, no jail. Same thing in Europe, same thing now in Canada. This is their plan. So guess who's on the menu is the white people. That's the left. That's the adl. They're doing it. They started it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Hitler hunted Jews, now the ADL's hunting us. Sorry, worry. You're at war with us. We're at war with you. Now we get it. Won't hear about how Dick Fuentes is bad, but he's not 10 as racist as you. Your hard on for us is ridiculous. So you want a war, you got one.

[Dan]

So none of the clips say the things that he claims and it was pretty clear. He's clear. I think he's clear.

[Jordan]

I think he was very clear.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't know what those clips are saying, but his claims very Accurate to his beliefs.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that he's kind of mad being like, hey, I don't hate Jews. I'm just a white supremacist.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But don't you get right.

[Jordan]

If you guys play your cards right, you're practically white already.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

This is America.

[Dan]

If you become a Christian, all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you can lie. Nobody's gonna follow up on it. Just say you're a Christian, wear your hat and go to shul. Nobody gives a shul.

[Dan]

I think, I think that's, you know, not acceptable. I think that what we, we end on is a deeply unacceptable note that, like, we shouldn't allow this kind of.

[Jordan]

No, this has got to go thing.

[Dan]

To be the main. Like, yeah, this, this should, this should be on hate message boards. Like, this is, this is where Alex. Alex should be on the Aryan nations, whatever the storm, you know, that's. That's where this belongs. This is, this is trash. But even more interestingly, based on and judged by his own standards of political belief, this is garbage.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He is advocating for things that are so counter to what the infowar is supposed to be about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's impossible. It's just impossible.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Unless you start to think about how the racism was what it was really about to begin with.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That's the only way anything makes sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's a. I mean, it feels like he's a shitposting kid who has been enabled to the point where we're here. And like, he's. Because he's always been a shitposting kid, nobody's ever forced him to evolve in any sense. And so whatever we're getting is what we're going to get out of a shitposting kid who's a racist.

[Dan]

But I think, you know, but I think even beyond like, not evolving, he's devolving.

[Jordan]

Like.

[Dan]

Yeah, I, I think that, I think that it's necessary, though. Well, he's being presented with a choice.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Of get the racist fruits that you always were trying to sow. Yeah. Or cut down this tree because it's growing in ways that you said are demonic.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, you, that metaphor doesn't quite work, but you get what I'm saying.

[Jordan]

I get what you're saying. Yeah. No, you're, you're, you're right. Like, maybe the better way of putting it is that he was a kid who got big enough where you have a choice. You can evolve or you can devolve. There is no, like, just staying the same change hack. And he is just consistently chosen over and over and over again. The shittiest path.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. He sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he sucks.

[Dan]

I think that the evolution over the day of the ice shooting is. Is the point I would say is that there isn't any.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He started with an idea and he justified that idea throughout.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Various people who were in his orbit had different reactions.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But they all ended up in the same place.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you are going to describe the goal of the show as to render all of your emotions towards the shooting inert, regardless of what you may philosophically feel about it, if your emotions are completely neutralized, especially if you're an Infowars listener, then tomorrow is a different day. No one gives a shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. The most that Alex wants anyone to feel is that's a shame.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Hey, well, you know, she shouldn't have been shot, but she also shouldn't have done the stuff that got her shot. Yeah, that's the whole goal.

[Dan]

It's dangerous out there.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Dan]

Anyway, we will be back to see how Alex continues to.

[Jordan]

Us over and.

[Dan]

We find if there is a bottom or not. Spoiler alert. There's not.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

But until we continue that exploration. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo.

[Robert Barnes]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Robert Barnes]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[Dan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex]

I love you.