#1114: March 9, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1114: March 9, 2006

Release Date: February 6, 2026
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dig into an episode of The Alex Jones Show from March 9th, 2006, revisiting Jones at a very different point in his career. With present-day Alex Jones content feeling ever more unhinged and repetitive, the hosts travel back two decades to analyze his rhetoric during the Bush era, discussing the Iraq War, surveillance paranoia, state sovereignty, toll roads, and shifting targets of right-wing outrage over time. The episode provides both a look at how some right-wing narratives persist and an opportunity to see how Alex's own persona and politics have changed (or not) over the years.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bright Spot Banter & Personal Updates (00:59–04:07)

• Jordan and Dan's “bright spots”: Open with banter about sweatpants and prank shows, highlighting their chemistry and setting an irreverent tone.
  • E.g., “My bright spot was going to be that my wife… found out you did not have a pair of sweatpants.” (Jordan, 01:48)
• Contrast: Both hosts admit to not really having a bright spot, pivoting quickly to the episode’s content.

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2. Why Return to 2006? (04:07–06:56)

• Research vs. Present-Day Content:
  • Dan notes present-day Alex is “just a bunch of yelling” and offers little for analysis. The past offers a “more attractive” subject for their breakdown.
  • “I am doing it because you are insufferable in the present day. So I must go back 20 years.” (Dan, 06:15)

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3. Setting the 2006 Scene: State Sovereignty and Anti-Federal Rhetoric (07:01–09:14)

• Alex Jones clip: Rants about federal overreach, national ID cards, and state resistance.
  • “They can pass federal law saying for psychological testing and drugging of the American people, but... let’s see them try to implement it at the state level.” (Alex Jones, 07:35)
• Analysis:
  • Dan: Alex is right in a narrow sense about local resistance but is dishonest about it being about “freedom” instead of right-wing power.
  • “As long as the extreme right wing will stay heavily armed and pissed off about everything, the federal government will not be able to do anything without risking violent reprisals.” (Dan, 08:27)

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4. The Alamo, ‘Liberty,’ and Right-Wing Victimhood (09:38–16:25)

• Alex reads a Chuck Baldwin essay: On the “heroes” of the Alamo, American exceptionalism, and “liberty.”
  • “Liberty is an easy word to say, but it is a hard word to live up to… Accompanying freedom is her constant and unattractive companion, responsibility.” (Alex Jones reading, 11:23)
  • "Try to recall the time in this country when ordinary men and women had the courage of their convictions...” (Alex Jones, 15:28)
• Hosts’ reaction:
  • Point out how the Alamo’s ‘freedom’ was selective and not inclusive.
  • Jordan draws a line from the cultural grievances of 2003-2006 (like outrage at the Dixie Chicks) to later, more extreme manifestations (e.g., Jan. 6).

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5. Alex’s Myth of ‘Leave Us Alone’ Libertarianism (17:27–20:23)

• Clip: Jones argues liberty and happiness are achieved by “being left alone,” claiming American culture is under siege by decadence and decline.
  • “You’re not going to be pushed around or shoved around. You get left alone, you have liberty... and then your children become decadent...” (Alex Jones, 17:27)
• Analysis:
  • Dan: The “leave us alone” posture is a rhetorical trick; what Jones and the far right seek is not solitude, but imposition of their own values.

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6. Centralization vs. Decentralization & The Left-Right Paradigm (21:22–22:34)

• Alex claims:
  • “Any centralization of government... is still the same creature. And centralization allows corrupt elites to dominate and control. The answer is decentralization.” (Alex Jones, 21:22)
• Jordan & Dan: Point out that Alex only cared about decentralization when it was politically useful and when he expected to never have any power.

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7. Media Manipulation, War of the Worlds, and “Psyops” (23:15–26:43)

• Alex’s theory: Media using “fake” footage in reports about Iran’s nuclear threat is like “War of the Worlds,” which he claims was a Tavistock Institute psyop.
  • “Orson Welles was absolutely not doing the War of the Worlds radio play on behalf of H.G. Wells...” (Dan, 24:34)
• Dan deconstructs: The real role of media business competition in hyping the “panic” and how Jones projects his own approach onto mainstream media.

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8. Culture War Standbys: ‘Mother & Father’ and Unisex Bathrooms (30:55–36:39)

• Jones claims: Schools are banning “mom and dad” from textbooks, and unisex bathrooms are making him uncomfortable.
  • “Sometimes he can’t go to cool man places for a haircut... trendy salons have unisex bathrooms.” (paraphrased, c. 34:00)
• Dan & Jordan: Mock the longevity of these outrage topics (“Hard to believe it’s been 20 years of attacking mother and father, man.” — Dan, 31:39) and the low stakes of these so-called culture war grievances.
• Jordan: “Most LGBTQ folk... want the world more welcoming, but I don’t know if anyone on the other side has been so passionate for 20 fucking years.” (paraphrased, 33:15)

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9. Surveillance State Paranoia & Dillingham, Alaska Cameras (36:42–44:13)

• Alex’s story: 80 surveillance cameras in a tiny Alaska town as evidence of creeping DHS overreach.
  • “Billingham, Alaska, population 2,400, is installing 80 surveillance cameras around town courtesy of a $202,000 Department of Homeland Security grant.” (Alex Jones, 41:05)
• Dan’s research: The local council made the decision – not some deep-state plot – and there was significant local backlash and resignation over the controversy, ignored by media and Jones.

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10. Toll Roads, Tracking, and Advocating Stalking (45:27–48:07)

• Alex’s rage at toll roads: Vents fury, then crosses the line: “Go hire a PI to follow [politicians]... Just burn them. This is war, folks. Just burn these people... Don’t do anything illegal.” (Alex Jones, 46:46)
• Dan & Jordan: Call out the contradictions and how this rhetoric foreshadows future fan harassment and criminal acts.

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11. Shifting Islam Rhetoric and Selective Outrage (53:55–58:12)

• Caller questions Alex for being soft on Muslims.
• Alex exposes a rare window of tolerance: “It is not true... I know a lot of Lebanese who are Christians... I had Shiite Muslim friends... and they weren’t foaming at the mountain.” (56:11)
• Dan: Observes the shift from this moment to present-day anti-Muslim Jones: “For Alex to retreat to a bigot position from a place of understanding is... more intentional.” (58:09)

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12. Anti-War Guests, Hypocrisy on Executive Power, and the Futility of Symbolism (58:55–65:59)

• Guests: Dan DeWalt (Vermont selectman, initiated symbolic Bush impeachment vote) and David Swanson (anti-war activist).
• Alex’s anti-Bush arguments: Bush acted as a dictator, violated law, and Congress is too afraid to check him.
  • “He needs to be removed right now.” (Alex Jones, 64:03)
• Hosts’ Reflection: Point out Alex’s hypocrisy: He’s happy to play constitutionalist when the president is a political opponent, but not when it’s someone he supports. Also, symbolic acts (like Vermont towns voting to impeach) are “no different than petitions,” but useful for Jones’ own narrative.

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13. Performance vs. Principle—Alex’s Ever-Shifting Persona (80:10–81:19)

• Dan: “Alex knows the character he’s supposed to play… It’s in stark contrast to who he’s become.”
• Jordan: “He believes all of it and he believes none of it… Only ever playing the character that the moment requires him of.” (80:51)
• Final Reflection: Looking back, Alex’s posture of anti-authoritarianism is revealed as pure performance, with no underlying principle other than self-preservation and culture-war obsessions.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the cyclical nature of outrage:

  • “Hard to believe it’s been 20 years of attacking mother and father, man.” – Dan (31:39)
  • “Still haven’t gotten rid of it. People still use those terms all the time.” – Jordan (31:43)

• On the schizophrenia of Alex’s positions:

  • “It’s easy to lose sight… but in the past, Alex was a total blowhard about integrity and principle and all that shit.” – Dan (16:13)

• On hypocrisy around executive power:

  • “Time has clearly shown us that he does not have a problem with presidents thinking they’re above the law when he likes how they violate the law.” – Dan (65:34)

• Alex’s climate of paranoia:

  • “Thrown on a truck… flown to camps in Alaska or South Texas or overseas or Gitmo. This is official, you understand?” – Alex Jones (37:56)
  • “All of that stuff happened.” – Dan, sarcastically (37:56)

• On right-wing projection and media manipulation:

  • “Alex is imagining a media in total lockstep with Bush… That wasn’t true, but it’s true of Alex and his crew. Now.” – Dan (29:44)

• Dehumanization as performance:

  • “They’re trying to discuss dehumanization… and Alex is dehumanizing… He can’t engage, so he has to put on the performance of anger and say gross shit.” – Dan (72:06)
  • “It has the feeling of a kid’s table… Like he’s at the kids table and the other two are adults.” – Jordan (72:41)

• On the roots of Alex's culture war positions:

  • “He cares about ‘mom and dad’ more than any gay couple I’ve ever known.” – Dan (33:15)

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Important Timestamps

• 00:59–04:07: Host banter and “bright spot” bit
• 07:35: Alex Jones on state/federal rights and IDs
• 11:23–15:28: Reading and discussion of the “Alamo Heroes” essay
• 21:22: Alex on decentralization and government power
• 23:47–26:43: “War of the Worlds” psyop claim & media analysis
• 30:55–36:39: ‘Mom and Dad’/bathroom culture war riffs
• 41:05: Alaska town surveillance camera story
• 46:46: Alex encourages PI harassment of officials
• 53:55–58:12: Discussion of Alex’s stance on Muslims in ‘06 vs. present
• 58:55–65:59: Antiwar guests & Alex’s “constitutionalism” performativity
• 80:51: Jordan on Alex: “He believes all of it and he believes none of it…”

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Summary Insights

• Alex Jones’s foundational arguments and target anxieties are shown as enduringly performative, not principled. His opposition to authoritarianism and big government in 2006 is, with hindsight, revealed as conditional—used for cultural signaling, not substantive principle.
• Cultural tropes (“war on ‘mother & father’,” unisex bathrooms, surveillance paranoia, anti-media rants) are almost comically persistent.
• The ship of hypocrisy is so obvious in retrospect: The same rhetoric defending liberty is used later to excuse its destruction by his own side.
• When challenged with substantive guests, Alex can only perform outrage; he is unable to meaningfully engage in sober political reflection.
• Dan and Jordan’s commentary provides vital context and makes clear how outlandish—and at times, dangerous—Alex’s rhetoric was and is, especially when urging supporters toward harassment or violence.

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Bottom Line

This episode is both a time capsule and a mirror: You see how little has changed in certain right-wing reactionary arguments, and how Jones’s supposed principles are mere vehicles for whatever narrative is politically expedient or lucrative at any given moment. Dan and Jordan’s withering, witty commentary transforms fringe paranoia into a window on how American disinformation sustains itself, decade after decade.

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(Episode closes with hosts promising another deep dive into Alex Jones’s past—now with extra ventriloquism.)

Transcript

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray.

[Dan DeWalt]

I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge.

[Dan DeWalt]

I'm sick of them posing as if.

[Alex Jones]

They'Re the good guys saying we are the bad guys.

[Dan]

Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Dan DeWalt]

Knowledge Fight. Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy.

[Dan]

Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[David Swanson]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a fish.

[Jordan]

Tim color.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Dan DeWalt]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, my bright spot today is that it's February, so you go first.

[Jordan]

Oh no. Uh oh, the bit has begun again. No, my bright spot.

[Dan]

That was a pump fake is what I did on the last episode.

[Jordan]

That was a pump fake.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

My bright spot. Man, you caught me by surprise. I'm off balance. No, I'll tell you what, I don't have a bright spot.

[Dan]

Oh, shit.

[Jordan]

I'll tell you what my bright spot was going to be though.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

If you recall, earlier on my previous bright spot, one of which was bear pants sweatpants that were fantastic.

[Dan]

Oh yeah, amazing.

[Jordan]

Very warm right now, my bright spot was going to be that my wife heard us have this discussion and she found out you did not have a pair of sweatpants.

[Dan]

Well, not the one that I'd fallen in love with.

[Jordan]

Right. So immediately she was on the clickety clackety machine and she was like, oh, we're gonna get him some of those pants. They were supposed to be here last week. Oh, they were supposed to be here earlier this week. Well, shit, they were definitely supposed to be here by today. But they, they're sending another pair because they got lost or whatever. But also they don't check. They don't care. They just know that they're not here yet. So maybe you will have two pairs of sweatpants very shortly.

[Dan]

Hell yeah.

[Jordan]

It is entirely possible.

[Dan]

This is like when I ordered a mattress and I got two and then you got a mattress and I took one.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Awesome. If we get multiples, that's going to be great.

[Jordan]

That's the way to do it.

[Dan]

That's the Thought that counts. And so eventually, it's still a little bright.

[Jordan]

Eventually, it will be the sweatpants that counts.

[Dan]

Well, I'd like to thank your wife in advance for whenever those come. Those are very thoughtful, very nice things.

[Jordan]

It's supposed to be the bright spot.

[Dan]

Well, I would love to also make that my bright spot, but I.

[Jordan]

But you can't.

[Dan]

No, no.

[Jordan]

What's going on? What do you have instead of a bright spot today?

[Dan]

Well, because you gave a non bright spot, I will also. I will follow your, uh.

[Jordan]

Oh. Unprecedented.

[Dan]

We were talking before the episode started about how I realized that I had never watched O.J. simpson's prank show Juiced, but I knew it existed.

[Jordan]

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[Dan]

And so I watched it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it is peering into the dark soul of humanity. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it's my anti bright spot, I guess, is that I actually watched that thing and Woof.

[Jordan]

Yeah, man, it is. It is dark when you think about staring into the abyss, you know, and they're like, oh, worry about the abyss is gonna stare back. You're like, that's fine. I would be cool with the abyss staring back. But then it's O.J. and you're like, that's. I guess I'm not cool with it, man.

[Dan]

It's. It's. It's just rough. It's on YouTube, and weirdly, the version on YouTube is full of tits.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, it's on YouTube and it's on YouTube. Why not?

[Dan]

Wild.

[Jordan]

What is it, the algorithm gonna give it to kids?

[Dan]

No, hope not. Anyway, Jordan, today we have an episode that we're gonna go over.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And we teased at the end of our last episode that Alex in the present day. No good.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

So I had you pick a random date.

[Jordan]

You did.

[Dan]

And that was March 9th. And we're gonna talk about March 9th, 2006.

[Jordan]

Ooh, I'm excited.

[Dan]

Iraq war time.

[Jordan]

Sure. I mean, there are better things to remember about 06, but that's fine.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's Alex in a different spot in his career.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And so we're going to take that in, absorb it and see what we think. But before we get to that, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, my bright spot this week is that you were on the Pastimes with Dave and Gary. Doll heads and policy wonks unite. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Congratulations to Brian and his brother Cankles on breaking the curse. Roman chivalry choirs are singing about this victory. Thank you so much. Not chivalry, cavalry. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

And I ate a lot of acid and listened to Hocus Pocus by Focus once and it was incredible. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a 10th credit in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to for Dawn. Please enjoy your Alex Jones themed vocal stims from your loving wife. Hail Satan and merry Christmas. Thank you so much. You're now technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[David Swanson]

4 stars.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yeah, thank you very much.

[Dan]

So I think. I think we are somewhat in agreement that what's happening in the present day on Alex's show does not really mean all that much.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It is a bunch of yelling. And the points that he's making don't. A lot of them don't really deserve rebuttal or analysis.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so the past is very, very attractive. And so that is my answer to this question.

[Alex Jones]

Dan, why are you doing what you're doing?

[Dan]

I am doing it because you are insufferable in the present day. So I must go back 20 years.

[Jordan]

I just. Now I just. I want you to be on the stage with a puppet and just recorded Alias. I want. You should be the greatest ventriloquist of our age.

[Dan]

I will start working on throwing my voice. And so you chose after a couple of rejected dates, you chose March 9th. Yes, I chose 2006.

[Jordan]

Multiples of three.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Dan]

3, 6, 9.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

No. 3, 9, 6. Yeah, that's good enough.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It was one that we hadn't done. And I thought this might be interesting territory. And it turns out it is nice. So we start off and Alex is talking about how anybody. They can pass any federal law they want, man.

[Jordan]

It's going to be a 20 year fucking. We're 20 years. It's going to be fucking wild. Everybody strap in.

[Dan]

It's unfortunate when you go back to a random date and it's like, this is unfortunate. This is weirdly prescient. And Anyway, he's saying, hey, globalists, all right, let's see you enforce.

[Jordan]

Let's see.

[Alex Jones]

We'll also get in to what's happening with moves to impeach President Bush at the state level to get that ball rolling. And there's also state legislatures that are now moving to pass laws to not allow the federalization of. Of the state driver's license for the national ID card. Oh, they can pass federal laws saying we get national ID cards. They can pass federal law saying for psychological testing and drugging of the American people, but let's see them try to implement it at the state level. If we simply get involved, they don't have a snowball chance in Hades.

[Dan]

So right off the bat, you can hear how important state sovereignty is to Alex at this point in his life where he holds the position that the federal government could pass any law it wants, but as long as he and his buddies don't give up, it's going to be impossible for the government to enforce anything on a state level. He's kind of right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But he's lying about it having anything to do with freedom or the Constitution.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The part he's right about is that as long as the extreme right wing will stay heavily armed and pissed off about everything, the federal government will not be able to do anything without risking violent reprisals. So he's kind of right.

[Jordan]

It does. It does feel like we have reached the other side of will this happen? And have gotten direct to a. You better believe.

[Dan]

Believe it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I think he's. He's into the federal government saying things now. Yeah. And mandating some things.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, it was. It was fairly easy, I'll say this, for the real ID thing to happen. Right. Everybody was just really, really annoyed. And then they got over it and now we don't even talk about it. You have to have a passport to drive 50 miles. That's fine. And that's fine.

[Dan]

And presumably Trump could overturn that, obviously.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Dan]

He kidnapped a foreign leader.

[Jordan]

The fore leader didn't have his ID with him.

[Dan]

Oh, that could be it.

[Jordan]

That's what happened. Or. Exactly.

[Dan]

So it's a special day in March. When you're in the beginning of March, you're celebrating an anniversary.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Do you know. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Caesar. Nope.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Not the ide.

[Jordan]

Not the ides.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

March 9th.

[Dan]

It's actually a couple days before March 9th, but it's fresh in the mind.

[Jordan]

March 10th.

[Dan]

Nope. It's the fall of the Alamo. And Alex is thinking about this.

[Jordan]

What a fucking wild day.

[Alex Jones]

But before I do that, I want to read this article written a few days ago by Chuck Baldwin. Because the anniversary of the Alamo siege has come and passed, come and gone. And it's just as important as Lexington or, or, or Concord or what happened at Bunker Hill or to Trenton, New Jersey. And so I want to just spend a few minutes and read this article before I get into all the world news and cover what's happening here domestically as well. This is by Chuck Baldwin. It's up on prisonplanet.com Alamo Heroes appear foolish today. It is that time of year for me to remind my readers about the magnificent, magnificent stand by the defenders of the alamo back in 1836.

[Dan]

So Chuck Baldwin has written this article about the. The brave men who fought at the Alamo.

[Jordan]

Yes, maybe the foolish men who fought at the Alamo.

[Dan]

Maybe they look fucking foolish today.

[Jordan]

Maybe they do.

[Dan]

They're idealistic. They believed in freedom. Well, well, I mean that's.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, it's an interesting choice to say they believed in freedom because it's a very specific type of freedom for themselves and not others. They believed it.

[Dan]

That is true. The essay does not get into that.

[Jordan]

I imagine not.

[Dan]

But it does have some pretty interesting ideas and complaints about PETA.

[Alex Jones]

Liberty is an easy word to say, but it is a hard word to live up to. Freedom has little to do with financial gain or personal pleasure. Accompanying freedom is her constant and unattractive companion, responsibility. Neither is she an only child. Patriotism and morality are her sisters. They are inseparable. Destroy one and all will die. Early in the siege, Travis wrote these words. The people of Texas, fellow citizens and compatriots, I am besieged by thousands of Mexicans under Santa Ana. The enemy has determined a surrender at discretion. Otherwise the garrison are to be put to the sword. I have answered the demand with a cannon shot and our flag still waves proudly from the walls. I shall never surrender or retreat. Victory or death. P.S. the Lord is on our side. As you read these words, remember that Travis and the others did not have the aclu, PETA and People for the Un American Way and the National Education association telling them how intolerant and narrow minded their notions of honor and patriotism were. A hostile media did not constantly castigate them as a bunch of wild eyed extremists. As school children, they were not taught that their forefathers were nothing more than racist jerks because they were the racist.

[Dan]

Jerks who would go on to have. Yeah, you Know four children.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That would be taught about their racist jerkery.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

That's the idea.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Their forefathers were racist jerks, too, but.

[Jordan]

Well, if you win, you're not a racist jerk. That's how it goes, Right?

[Dan]

Well, they lost.

[Jordan]

Well, that was their fault.

[Dan]

Right? Santa Anna had too many men.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And no one came to help old Willie Travis. I think it's cute to hear someone complaining about PETA. I just think that's low stakes.

[Jordan]

I just. I just had a flashback where I was like, man, remember what the Dixie Chicks did and how mad people got? And then now. Now we're alive. We just kept on going.

[Dan]

Yep, yep. Then.

[Jordan]

Then that it was. I. I'm not saying that it's a direct line in my memory from people being mad at the Dixie Chicks to January 6, but it feels very prescient. Yeah.

[Dan]

There were some diversions along the way.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

It's a. If you. If you zoom out far enough, it's a straight line.

[Jordan]

Once you. Once you get mad at The Dixie Chicks, January 6th is going to happen.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, like, liberty's tough even for these brave men who didn't have the ACLU and the PETA yelling at them by the other racist. And they beat dogs or something crazy.

[Jordan]

Oh, man. You know what I loved about the Alamo story? No PETA. That was the main thing. Also, no Greek food. So it all worked out all across the board.

[Dan]

So Alex continues to read from Baldwin's essay.

[Alex Jones]

The brave men at the Alamo labored under the belief that America and Texas really was the land of the free and the home of the brave. They believed God was on their side and that the freedom of future generations depended on their courage and resolve. They further believed that posterity would remember their sacrifice as an act of love and devotion. It all looks pale now. By today's standards, the gallant men of the Alamo appear rather foolish. After all, they had no chance of winning. None. However, the call for a pragmatism and practicality was never sounded. Instead, they answered the clarion call, victory or death. And in closing, please try to remember the heroes. The Alamo. As you listen to your gutless political and religious leaders calling for compromise, intolerance, try to recall the time in this country when ordinary men and women had the courage of their convictions and were willing to sacrifice their lives for freedom and independence.

[Jordan]

Is that what they were doing?

[Alex Jones]

One thing is certain. Those courageous champions did not die for a political party or for some lesser of two evils. Mantra they fought and died for principle. So did the men at Lexington and Concord. This is our heritage, our birthright, my friends. And on second thought, don't they look foolish or do we look foolish? And I flummox that there at the end. On second thought, do they look foolish or do we. Not a newsreader, folks like Peter Jennings.

[Dan]

So when I have the derisive and disgusted tone about Alex in the present day, resorting to lesser of two evils arguments in order to justify Trump's actions.

[Jordan]

That'S why it's hard not to think maybe that guy wouldn't do that.

[Dan]

It's easy to lose sight of this because he's entirely lost his shit. But in the past, Alex was a total blowhard about integrity and principle and all that shit.

[Jordan]

Loved it.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Jordan]

I mean, now there should. There needs to be some sort of time travel situation wherein we can see how, you know, like. Like this is a and it's a Wonderful Life situation. Right. We are all in the simulation of what would happen if Alex did whatever he did. You know, like that person in 2006 is the only person who's actually al. We are all living the dream. And then in a little bit, whenever it goes real south, that person's gonna wake up and go, I guess I'll have to change my life. That's what I think is happening, right?

[Dan]

I hope not. But I will say, you know, it's not exactly the same thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I wonder if Alex got a call from his future self later in this episode, there is a caller who sounds a little bit like he has a criticism of Alex that would come from his future.

[Jordan]

So, my God. Fantastic.

[Dan]

But we'll get to that a little bit later.

[Jordan]

Fantastic.

[Dan]

For now, Alex has to complain about how, like, you can't be pushed around by the feds.

[Alex Jones]

No, I just want to set the stage with that and understand that when you have an attitude, you're willing to fight and die, you're not going to be pushed around or shoved around. You get left alone, you have liberty, and then you're able to produce plenty. And then you become happy. And then your children become decadent, their children become even more decadent, their children become cross and corrupt and evil. And then you get tyranny. And then you go right through the cycle again, if you're lucky. Normally, the cycle isn't broken and you just live in abject slavery and tyranny. And countries fail. They're not productive or powerful or well known. The real empires of the world were Forged through a zenith, through a genesis, through a beginning of liberty. At least more liberty than their neighbors. It didn't matter what color they were or what culture they were. Where there is liberty argument, there is freedom. There is happiness, there is productivity.

[Dan]

This is all great stuff, but it's a lie. This is all built on a lie. The greatest myth that folks like Alex sold to their followers is that they just want to be left alone. And the reason that's been so damaging is it's totally understandable. A lot of people just want to live their lives in peace and sincerely don't care what other folks get into in their private lives. So when Alex dresses his beliefs up that way, it's really relatable. But Alex and his ilk don't want to be left alone. They want to impose a culture on all of us that makes them feel like they're being left alone. It bothers them if a teacher at their kid's school is gay, so they want to outlaw that. It bothers them to see mixed race couples on tv, so they want a culture that doesn't include that. For most of us, when we hear the government should leave us alone, we can nod along thinking about weird taxes or how they shouldn't arrest you for weed. But that wasn't what Alex was ever talking about.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And he got a lot of mileage out of people thinking that he was.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, you know, we probably should have. We probably should have really put together the thoughts of, like, somebody who's like, we're really into the Alamo because we want to be left alone. And then think, like, maybe the Alamo wasn't about being left alone so much as being suddenly very alone in a land that's not yours that you now get to keep.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that what it all comes down to is Alex's 20 years on. I think he's shown that. That. Don't let yourself get pushed around. There's a. There's something to it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's a bummer when you go back and you listen to him say things that sound like they're useful. Because in our world. Right. And in the world of people listening to this, when they hear somebody say words. Right. They associate that person with the meaning of those words as opposed to somebody who is using those words like a whip or a tool.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

To lie to you.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, and so when you hear it from Alex, you go, those are the words that I think are true. Right. But they're not coming from that Person. Because they're not. That person stole words that were good and used them to hurt you.

[Dan]

Yeah. A person who's operating from, a place of, like, good faith and good intention could say the same thing. And it be like, all right, yeah, I hear you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But. Yeah, but Alex is lying. No, we know that from being 20 years now.

[Jordan]

We're here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So we know this isn't sincere.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, 20 years on now, one of the things that I think that we're seeing is a great deal of centralization of power. You have Trump taking on the end.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That administration seems to be, you know.

[Jordan]

Pulling some strings pretty hard in charge. Yeah.

[Dan]

You'd be surprised to learn that this was bad. What, for Alex, when his whole career.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Alex Jones]

So it's time to throw off the left, right paradigm, to realize we're all in this together as humans and to realize that any centralization of government, whether it's under some left hood or some right hood, that is, whatever hat you put on, is still the same creature. And centralization allows corrupt elites to dominate and control. The answer is decentralization. We must bind the lesser areas of human nature. We must restrict the dark impulses, and to deny them is to invite certain ruin.

[Dan]

Didn't mean any of that shit.

[Jordan]

Nope. Not at all.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Jordan]

Does he even know? You know, I wonder, does he even know what those words mean? You know, now that we live in the present, can we then go back and think maybe he just genuinely didn't understand what words meant?

[Dan]

No, because I think that then there would be some, like, absurdist sentences. That's fair. Eventually you'd get something that was like.

[Jordan]

An AI Hallucination kind of thing. Yeah, you're right.

[Dan]

You'd have an episode that was like Lynchian.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I don't think that's happened. I think it's intentional.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

And I think that part of it is deeply rooted in. In 2006, Alex never thought that his side would ever have any power.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

They were destined to be the guys at the Alamo, and that's why he's behaving like this. Yeah. If he ever thought that there was a chance that Ron Paul was going to win.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

He'd probably act like he does with Trump. Yeah. With Ron. So you remember that guy, that Citizen Kane guy, that Orson Welles fella?

[Jordan]

Sure. I was going to say actual Citizen Kane. Isn't that that guy who is the newspaper? Hearst. Yes. William Randolph.

[Dan]

This actually does eventually get into newspapers a tiny bit.

[Jordan]

All right, all right.

[Dan]

But Alex is talking about how there's some news pieces that he's seen about Iran having EMPs.

[Jordan]

Ooh, exciting.

[Dan]

He takes issue with these news reports using footage from, like, Ocean's Eleven or Independence Day.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

To illustrate, like, big bombs going off and stuff.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

And so he complains that this is just like War of the Worlds. This is just like Orson Welles.

[Jordan]

I gotcha.

[Dan]

Which was a psyop.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

So what are the teachers doing? What are the brainwashers doing? What are the social engineers doing? All over television, they say, terrorists are going to attack you. They've got these weapons, and then they cut the space. Aliens blowing up US Cities, flying saucers. And that is War of the Worlds. We know that was a psychological warfare test. Tavistock Institute, with Orson Welles carrying it out for H.G. wells. I even got an interview with it on KTSA.

[Jordan]

Do you think they're related?

[Alex Jones]

Years after they staged their operation, years later, giving an interview here in San Antonio, just south of me, where I sit in Austin, and psychological warfare operation, government involved, to test it out. And they said, aliens are attacking. They're killing us. And the people panicked and freaked out. They know it's these base fears.

[Dan]

So Orson Welles was absolutely not doing the War of the Worlds radio play on behalf of H.G. wells, who was trying to run a psyop for the Tavistock. It would be strange. Wells and Wells are very similar last names, so I can see where Alex is making that connection, but this is fucking dumb. CBS faced a number of lawsuits over the broadcast, some entirely frivolous, but at least one led to depositions that got into the roots of how the show came to be. That case had to do with who had rights to the radio play, since it was derived from War of the Worlds, but it was a reimagining of the story as a telecast.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

Probably unsurprisingly, Orson Welles testimony wasn't about how the Tavistock Institute had enlisted him to freak everyone out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, history has shown that whole thing about people freaking out when Orson Welles did the show is a bit of a myth. There was not widespread hysteria, and almost no one listening actually thought aliens were invading. There weren't that many people listening total to begin with. What ended up happening is that a very small number of people called the police or the newspaper to make inquiries about the things that they were hearing on the radio. This thread was picked up by newspaper journalists who went on to publish stories about how people were duped by the radio in the next day's paper and from There the legend grew and fed upon itself.

[Jordan]

Naturally.

[Dan]

In hindsight, a much better explanation for what happened is that in 1938, radio was rising in prominence as a news and entertainment medium and it was taking advertising money away from newspapers. More traditional media latched onto what was basically a non story in order to attack a new emerging media platform which was at that point far less centralized than print.

[Dan DeWalt]

Right.

[Dan]

This is kind of just what happens with media when there's money involved. Radio was a threat to print. TV was a threat to radio. The Internet was a threat to tv. And now we're living in a space where the Internet's been rendered mostly bullshit by oligarchical interests like Elon and Amazon. And who knows where there's going to be ad revenue in the future.

[Jordan]

Now it's just a threat to all of us. Yeah. It used to be that they would fight amongst each other and we be hurt by it. Now it's just them against us.

[Dan]

Yeah. Until they can figure out how to beam ads into your brain.

[Jordan]

I'm excited. That'll be so much easier, you know, when you, you have to press the skip button now and it's like, ah, there's too many ads. Beam it into my head. I'll go do something else and then I'll come back. It'll be great.

[Dan]

So I think that, you know, it's fun to think about Orson Welles being so convincing that like people actually thought aliens were invading.

[Jordan]

It is fun.

[Dan]

And like everyone was looting and it's, it's a fun image and I just. It's not real.

[Jordan]

And in retrospect, it's also, it also reaffirms. You're like, oh, those people were cavemen kind of beliefs.

[Dan]

Everyone's so stupid.

[Jordan]

Of course they would believe that. They don't know anything. They don't have tv. They're just now discovering that you can hear voices through the sky.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex has this piece of propaganda that's going around. This, this video about IR and an emp.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is basically just War of the World.

[Jordan]

Basically War of the World.

[Dan]

And then, holy shit, Bush, he misspoke.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, and then now this, now this latest bit of propaganda. By the way, Bush called it the Liberty Tower. It's never been called the Liberty Tower. It's not named the Liberty Tower. No one's called it. But I guarantee you ROV just said, listen, liberty has a better effect in people's brains. You've heard his speeches, Will. He'll say liberty 35 times, tyranny 20 something times, liberty versus tyranny over and over again. They liked it. Liberty's being attacked. It's symbolic. It's subconscious. It doesn't matter if it's not named that. They're so dumb. Our people at Fox are ready with the images. You just call it Liberty Tower. Doesn't matter if it's called Library Tower. The news then began calling it Liberty Tower.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

The emperor renames the building. They didn't even question it. This building is Liberty Tower.

[Dan]

Bush was kind of famous for fucking up words and speeches.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't know if this was a grand propaganda move that everybody had to workshop and Rove had to be behind. Alex is saying that Bush called Library Tower Liberty Tower, and then everyone just fell in line and started calling it that. But that's not true. You can find tons of articles from the mainstream media about how he got the name of the building wrong in his State of the Union speech, and the White House issued a correction almost immediately after he misspoke. It's interesting, though, because Alex is imagining a media that's in total lockstep with Bush, where he misspeaks and then they report the thing he got wrong as if it were actually correct. That wasn't true, but it's true of Alex and his crew. Now, listening to this, it kind of feels like Alex is saying that the media is acting this way because it's what he thinks his role is. The media exists to reinforce the message of the people in power. And in 2006, he felt like he was nowhere near power and never would be. Whereas in 2026, that's changed. If Trump were to call Library Tower Liberty Tower, it would be Alex's job to convince people that was the right name, which is why he assumes that the mainstream media is doing that with Bush.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you. If you stop thinking about him as reacting to reality whatsoever, and instead think about him as being one part of the same reality. Right. So instead of that whole concept of predictive programming or anything like that, Alex is telling you what the enemy is doing, because that's what those people are supposed to be doing. So if Alex is in that position, he's going to do what they're doing. Yeah. I mean, that's what you're supposed to be doing.

[Dan]

Literally said, that's what I would do if I were in there.

[Jordan]

That's what I would do. But it's. But it is like, well, you're. You're not thinking of it as a literal. Like, oh, no. He thinks that's what you're supposed to do in that position. So it's. It's insane. He's not predicting anything. He's just revealing how he would have done it the whole time and then.

[Dan]

Imagining other people are doing that and criticizing them for it.

[Jordan]

And because of him normalizing that insanity, it allows you to actually do it. Wild.

[Dan]

Yep. It's been a weird 20 years.

[Jordan]

It's been a weird 20 years.

[Dan]

But guess what.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Some stuff, he never changes.

[Jordan]

Never changes.

[Dan]

Some stuff's the same.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

Don'T worry. This show is documented. Alex Jones on the GCN radio network. I fell into a burning ring of fire. Got a report right here. They still do some good. And I have linked through to the proposed rule changes in California and confirmed that it is accurate. It's on a world net daily. Mom, dad to be axed from school textbooks. And there's a move to not allow the name mother or father mom, dad in textbooks. They're saying it's hateful and very abusive. Makes people feel bad. You see, it isn't just that people quote one equity. They want to destroy the existing forms. They want to force us to live the way they do. That's the big rub. That's the problem.

[Dan]

Hard to believe it's been 20 years of attacking mother and father man.

[Jordan]

Wild man still haven't gotten rid of it. People still use those terms all the time.

[Dan]

Yeah. It really seems like we're about at the same place.

[Jordan]

Yep, there. There are some things that do require, like a tap, please tap the glass kind of thing. You know, where it's like, hey, buddy, the next time you say first amendment, I'm gonna have to tack the tap the glass.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I was thinking about it, and this is such a great position to have when you don't intend to do anything about it. If you're just talking shit and trying to rile people up, then something like a school district deciding to change the terms mother and father on forms to just parent is awesome. It's in a state you don't live in. You have no children who go to these schools, and it doesn't affect you at all. But you can print money complaining about this shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Once you have any real power, you have to either ignore this issue altogether or advocate for the state or federal government to stop local governments and school districts from making their own policies. Some cities and states might decide that updating these forms is appropriate or even necessary, and you need to deprive them of the ability to do that in the name of Upholding your version of the natural order, and that's a consequence of you having power that you never really wanted to begin with.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Something that I think is really wild is how much more Alex cares about this than any gay couple that I've ever known or heard of. I think that most LGBTQ folk are in favor of having things that make the world more welcoming and less stigmatizing to everyone. But I don't know if there's anyone on the other side of this issue that's been so passionate for 20 fucking years.

[Jordan]

I mean, I've seen people be passionate from time to time, and even people who agree with them go like, listen, it's okay. Listen. Hey, hey, it's okay. It's okay.

[Dan]

Fine.

[Jordan]

We'll get. We'll get rid of it. Nobody cares enough to fight back against you.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's crazy. The sign that you're tapping is. It says, you all right, man?

[Jordan]

Fine. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, we want to get rid of mother and father. They're not real. They're all. They're just sounds, man. They're just sounds. Whatever you want.

[Dan]

It's. It's. It's unhealthy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, probably not good.

[Dan]

So anyway, Alex, he likes to go to cool man places to get his hair cut, but sometimes he can't, so he has to go to trendy hair salons.

[Jordan]

No, no.

[Dan]

And they have unisex bathrooms, and that doesn't very uncomfortable.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, it's the same thing. And it will also make the children have unisex toilets, which are very destructive, very bad. I mean, I have run in. In trendy restaurants, and I've even been having my hair cut at one of these fancy salons before because my regular place was busy. The little corner place I go to where an old man cuts your hair in five minutes for $5. And, you know, you try to go to the bathroom and it's unisex, and you're in there, and there's women in the bathroom. Hey, man, I don't want to be around women in the bathroom. And it's not because I'm old fashioned or weird. That's how humans operate now. Humans behave. Women don't want to be in the bathroom with a man. And then all over the country, they're putting cameras in the bathrooms under federal grants. I just thought I'd mention this. Another reason to get your children out of public schools. These rule changes are going through.

[Dan]

I don't. I don't know if I believe he went to a fancy salon. I don't think this happened.

[Jordan]

I actually. I agree with you. He had. He's heard about a unisex bathroom.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

In a fancy salon.

[Dan]

He imagines that's where one would be.

[Jordan]

I do not believe that he himself has gone to one of these fancy salons and been like, can I use your bathroom?

[Alex Jones]

There are women.

[Dan]

Hair plot twist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I also don't think he goes to a barbershop where they cut your hair for $5. I think he's somewhere in the middle.

[Jordan]

I would say so. I mean, I'm not. He's not going super cuts. He's. He's not doing a mall haircut.

[Dan]

I wouldn't be that surprised.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean. Oh, six. I saw his hair.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He could be doing a mall haircut.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He could be doing just a bowl.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're right.

[Dan]

Now, I don't know. I don't believe he's salt of the earth and folksy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I also don't think that he's like, oh, I need a haircut so bad. I got to go to the trendy salon.

[Jordan]

I don't know if I've ever seen anyone be in that level of haircut emergency. I don't know how it's possible for you not to be like, oh, okay, cool. Do you have anything available tomorrow?

[Dan]

I have myself. When we. Right before we went and did those shows in Portland.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

I had a day to get a haircut, but I just went to the same place, and the guy who I usually go to was booked.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So then you just got a different person.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan DeWalt]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Didn't go to a trendy salon. Now they don't even have a bathroom.

[Jordan]

I grew up. I grew up in a place that had a old man who cut your hair for $5.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

And it was fine. I imagine that he probably went out of business. It's not a great business strategy, but.

[Dan]

It is unisex bathroom.

[Jordan]

It is a cool way to hang out with people regularly.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So this real ID is coming in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And when it does, you are gonna get sent to a fucking holding cell at the mall, and they're gonna ship you off to Alaska. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

We read the executive order. Then you know what it said. You know what it said then? Bill Clinton's executive order. It said that they're gonna take blood and DNA to get a driver's license in the next phase. And this was for years down the road, and they said that if you haven't paid all your tickets or have warrants or whatever, or you haven't You've got tax problems. They're going to arrest you for taxes there. I mean, it's all in there. It's a hellish system. That's why they're going to have you retina scan and thumb scan when you get your kids from school. That'll flag it. The minute you've got a warrant, boom, the cops will arrest you there at the school. They're going to build holding cells in the malls, the schools. There'll be little prisons everywhere just to grab you and throw you in. Thrown on a truck, taken to the airport, flown to a distribution center in Oklahoma City or in Denver and flown to camps in Alaska or South Texas or overseas or Gitmo. This is official, you understand? You understand? I mean, just. This is the new America.

[Dan]

All of that stuff happened.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Bill Clinton didn't sign an executive order that required taking blood for a driver's license or whatever insane shit Alex is ranting about. What actually happened is that in 1996, Clinton suggested that teens should have to pass a drug test as part of the process of getting a driver's license. And he passed the idea off to his cabinet to research. This was stupid and part of the war on drugs hysteria. But it also never got implemented because groups like the ACLU that are in league with PETA evil, they made it very clear that they would fight against this aggressively in court. The Clinton administration found it to be an unviable option. So instead of focusing on that, they went on to other things, like. Like tying federal funds to zero tolerance policies for underage drinking.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's really great that Alex was the watchman on the wall for us, so he didn't end up in a situation where the federal government just snatching people up and sending them off to God knows where.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He really saved us from a dark timeline where technicalities are getting people swept up and booted to camps and stuff, you know?

[Jordan]

You know what's ironic about it, right? Is that the real id, when. When we didn't have one, when we were trying to travel at the tsa, they didn't go like, ah, you don't got one. We'll take you and throw you into a small prison and then mail you to Alaska, they handed us a little thing that said, like, next time, be sure to have a real id. And then we just went on.

[Dan]

And then they had to reopen the mall.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To have a holding cell in it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex. Alex's prediction about the viability of malls was off.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep, yep, yep.

[Dan]

Huh?

[Jordan]

The why is different. The what is not as different as I would like, but the why is different. Yeah, the why is very different.

[Dan]

Yeah, a lot of the details. So Alex mentioned that you're going to get sent off to camps like in Alaska.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And that reminds him that he's got some news about Alaska.

[Alex Jones]

Thought I'd cover that as well. For their surveillance. The Homeland Security in one horse town where there's, if you're lucky, one little old gas station where they might have cigarettes and. And three brands of soda pop. I mean, I've gone to these towns where there's nothing, nothing but one gas pump. And you go in there and there's a. And there's cameras all over the town. Homeland Security got one here today. Alaska hamlet gets 80 surveillance cameras from DHS Department of Homeland Security, which now has a faith based initiative and it's camera through the faith based initiative. This is out from About.com and it says it's worthy of a Golden Fleece award. Dillingham, Alaska, population 2400, is installing 80. I've been in towns where it says the population is 250 and there's at least 10 cameras you can see. I mean, in neighborhoods. Billingham, Alaska, population 2,400, is installing 80 surveillance cameras around town courtesy of a $202,000 Department of Homeland Security grant. I remember it says the town is so small it has no street lights and it just goes on and on.

[Dan]

This is the point where Alex gives up on reading the news and the rest of the coverage of this story is just his feelings.

[Jordan]

That's right.

[Dan]

The issue here is that the Department of Homeland Security wasn't installing these cameras in Dillingham, Alaska. The local city council voted to install them and did so with grant money offered by the dhs.

[Jordan]

Just offered, not like, like forced on them. They didn't get like money like shoved down their throats unless they spent it.

[Dan]

No. Yeah. And there wasn't like a church angle to it either. That seems to be implying it's obviously unnecessary. But if you're trying to critique this story with an anti DHS angle, the problem is that they offered the grant to begin with, not the excessive number of cameras that the city council decided to put up. Yeah, I read a bunch of shit about this. And like, it seems like they were just like, we've had a couple people drown in the port.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so we wanted to put a bunch of cameras around so we could save people if they're drowning.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I don't know if that's true. But that's definitely what they were saying.

[Jordan]

I mean, to me, I hear, oh, this is a camera. This is a small town trying to make 80 cameras. That's a violation. And I. But I'm here and like, oh, they're. They're only putting 20 cameras up, buddy.

[Dan]

Sure. There's a little bit of.

[Jordan]

There's the top is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And I think one of the other things about this town was that they had.

[Jordan]

Had.

[Dan]

Because it's a port town.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And there's people coming in on ships.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And going.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There was someone who died from falling off a boat. And they didn't know if someone had killed him or not.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And so there was.

[Jordan]

That's tough.

[Dan]

Right?

[Jordan]

That's tough.

[Dan]

And so the town kind of had this memory of like, well, we could have proved that one. If we had cameras up.

[Jordan]

That one feels like it's on us. Yeah.

[Dan]

It's not a good excuse to put up 80 cameras. But. But it's not as simple as Alex is saying, either.

[Jordan]

It is always fun whenever you hear about justice in a place where it's like, we don't get light here. We don't have the sun, so stuff happens at night, and we'll never know. We'll just never know.

[Dan]

And we're in a port in Alaska. People could just go to the water.

[Jordan]

Yeah. They can just. It's right there. And then we can't find them. It's like a pool, but where it's invisible.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it's an international pool at a certain point. Also, you can find hundreds of articles discussing this plan to install the 80 cameras in Dillingham. But you won't find many large outlets discussing the fallout of the city council decision.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Chris Napoli, who'd been the mayor since 1997, got so frustrated with the pushback that people had about the cameras that he stormed out of a council meeting and resigned.

[Jordan]

God damn. Yes. This is bullshit. This is what we need to have this enforced. If you're one of these media outlets doing your complaining article, you have to follow it. Follow up. You have to. That is a law. You cannot do this bullshit.

[Dan]

I was in fury.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. That's bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because it's a cheap, easy story.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Like, you just see, oh, this is reported on something. I'm going to, you know, repost it on the wire or whatever. It's just. It's more interesting. What the fuck happened?

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Did this town turn into a camp? No, obviously not. What happened?

[Jordan]

Every time. Every time. There's some like, oh, can you believe this stupid group of people did this? If you follow through with the story, it's like, one. They're making reasonable decisions based upon their own specific context, or absolutely everything's about to go apeshit crazy, and you're not even at the interesting part.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And oftentimes the apeshit crazy is like, aha, someone is pulling a scam here.

[Jordan]

And it's not, oh, somebody stole $2 million. That's what happened. Yeah.

[Dan]

It's. It's not that the DHS is trying to religiously set up a spy camp in Dellingham, Alaska. It's that someone wanted to siphon some money off the top.

[Jordan]

This is the. This is the most American thing ever.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If it sounds like somebody is doing something stupid or crazy, double check to see if they've stolen $2 million.

[Dan]

Allegedly. I don't want to say anything about people.

[Jordan]

Hey, who knows?

[Dan]

So Alex, he's. He's thinking about Rhodes. Sure. And he's just fucking mad that they're putting these. You know they're gonna charge you for how much you drive, right?

[Jordan]

That.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're gonna. They're.

[Jordan]

I mean, technically, gas already charges you for how much?

[Dan]

Right. But they're gonna put trackers in your car, and then they're gonna tax you by the mile, of course. Because they have to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He's so fucking mad about this that he's like. Like, you know, you need to. Do. You need to find these people that I hate and stalk them?

[Jordan]

No. What?

[Alex Jones]

Just enjoy yourselves. It's gonna go in the trucks first. So they're gone. The taxi cabs first. But according to the law, they almost passed it being all our inspection stickers right now. So they're just phasing it in on select grips and in the cops badges and the cop cars. Well, I'm getting track. Why aren't you? We're all in this slave pit together. And so just when you're getting charged that much, just remember I told you. Remember, you could have gotten involved and gone to the city council or sued somebody or gone down to the county commissioners or gone and followed board members of these different tolling groups around and caught them. I don't care if you go catch them. Catch them cheating on their wife. Let's play hardball with these people. Just burn them. This is war, folks. Just burn these people. Burn them. Don't do anything illegal. So they're going to be involved in crooked activity. Go hire a PI to follow them around. They'll find all kinds. Big guys come back 100% of the time and go, you can't believe it. I just caught on tape. You'll see them getting bags of cash in parking lots. You'll see them dressed up like transvestites. You'll see them going to whorehouses. You'll see them buying crack cocaine.

[Dan DeWalt]

Then just.

[Alex Jones]

Just start playing hardball with these crooks. Stop playing games with them. Scumbag trash. Oh, this makes me so angry. Oh, I'm sorry. Just crooks taking over and raping us makes me mad.

[Dan]

That anger is so fake.

[Jordan]

So what? I thought it was real. What? I'm so mad.

[Alex Jones]

I'm so mad.

[Dan]

Stalk these people. Follow them around and catch them cheating. Don't do anything illegal. Don't do anything illegal. Stalk them.

[Jordan]

First off, the first word, the verb word, the active word in that sentence, I believe is illegal.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So you've already, you've already broken one pretty solid rule that you established later on. Second, I really don't know how many different ways there are to find somebody cheating on their wife and get video of it that are not technically illegal in some form or fashion. Right?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think, I think that if you're saying, hey, show up at city council meetings, you're good.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's where you're. That's. It's an agreed upon place for this discussion.

[Dan]

If you're saying, follow people around.

[Jordan]

No. Nope, not good.

[Dan]

I think you're in dicey territory. Spy on them.

[Jordan]

Furthermore, if every politician, were they followed by a PI of some sort would be discovered to be in illicit criminal.

[Dan]

Activity, so would Alex.

[Jordan]

Well, there's definitely that. But Also, why aren't PIs like our superhero legends? Why aren't they just taking down politicians left and right? Is it because they're in on it?

[Dan]

Yeah, probably.

[Jordan]

Are all PIs getting paid several million dollars?

[Dan]

I think so. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're the. The real elites because they know how to snap.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, if. Wouldn't you just. I'm not saying that this is what you should do if you're a PI, but I feel like if this was available, you just got a blackmail like 40 or 50 politicians and you're all set.

[Dan]

I think you only need like five or six, depends on the size of the town. But I think more importantly, Alex has had a little bit of a shaky history after this point with his fans stalking people.

[Jordan]

E. There is that it sounds bad.

[Dan]

In hindsight.

[Jordan]

It does sound bad. It does sound like considering the number of people who are fans of Alex Jones or at least have memorabilia and the like, suggesting they are fans. A lot of them have been in crime situations wherein they followed somebody illegally.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. And this seems like this is exactly what he wants people to do.

[Jordan]

It seems like he told them to do it.

[Dan]

Yeah, pretty passionately. And fake angerly. So that anger continues as he talks about how these fucking people in Texas, they do not want toll roads.

[Jordan]

No, they don't.

[Dan]

And it makes him so mad.

[Alex Jones]

Toll roads, 98, 97, 93%. Never. Polls in Texas don't want toll roads, don't want the transponders. They just say, doesn't matter what you want. Foreign companies bought off politicians, we're gonna do it. We got a whole bunch of men that were black uniforms, military trained, that got machine guns. Call the police department and if you don't like it, you come out and complain and protest. They'll come break your skulls in and take you to prison. And we own those too. We'll make some money off that. Have you building widgets in there. So you keep your mouth shut, scum, and you take it. You learn how to be a slave. Now get on there and shut up. Sure, wait till they get your guns. You just wait. The real final start then. We're the New World Order. We've killed hundreds of millions last century and that was just a warm up. You scum. Now that's their real attitude towards you. Oh, just know that that's. I mean, in fact, that doesn't even begin to, to, to scratch the surface. The veneer of how evil they are. That doesn't even pierce into the wickedness. But that's their attitude. Just you're my slave or here to be fat on. Shut up, you idiots. That's their attitude. Remember that. Remember that's what the New World Order is doing. Now we're carrying the new citizen rule books for a dollar apiece. And you can get 10 packs, 20 packs, hundred packs of them.

[Jordan]

That's what that anger was there to sell, baby.

[Dan]

That character that Alex is doing isn't a depiction of some real enemy that desperately wants to fuck him over by having someone pay for roads. Yeah, that's the way he wants to treat people who disagree with him. That's what he's channeling, inventing.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So the Citizen rule book is a little pamphlet that advocates for jury nullification. Basically, it's a rant about how every juror is more powerful than all of the government because they can just say not guilty, even if someone is clearly guilty of a crime. But the juror disagrees with the law. Sure. It's a longer version of just saying. I know bombing an abortion clinic is technically illegal, but I think God wants me to do it. That's the. That's what Alex is selling.

[Jordan]

It does feel very similar to that.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a lot of quotes in it, too.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I believe that. I appreciate when the stakes were this low. I loved a good. Oh, man. They're gonna roll a toll road. $4 for several hundred miles of driving. Unacceptable. Unacceptable.

[Dan]

Toll roads suck. And it's, you know, it's a bummer. Roads have to be kept.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah, they're.

[Dan]

It's gonna. We have to keep up these roads.

[Jordan]

Somehow we understand the concept that we need these roads, and yet somehow we all agree that paying for them is terrible. Yeah, whatever. Fine. I just. I just can't imagine this being like, oh, toll roads. And also, in case you were wondering, George Bush kidnapped the president of Columbia or something like that. Whatever. Toll roads. H.W.

[Dan]

Yeah. Ice is out there on the streets. Okay. Toll roads.

[Jordan]

Toll roads, huh?

[Dan]

So I mentioned earlier that I believe that it's possible that a time rift occurs on this episode. It's possible. And future Alex calls past Alex.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And that's not because of the similarity of voices or anything, but this caller has a very interesting criticism, I'm told.

[Alex Jones]

I skip ahead to him because I'm told Larry disagrees with me. Larry, go ahead.

[Jordan]

Good.

[Alex Jones]

Go ahead, sir. All right, well, just to let you know, I'm not. I'm not a neocon, but I do disagree with some of the things that you've been saying the last week or so. As far as the Muslims, seems like you're giving them a free pass on all of this and making them out to be victims. And you've also stated that Christians and Jews get along fine in their country, and I have to disagree with that. I listed specific countries, sir. And I mean, the idea that the Muslims will kill any Jews or any Christians is false. Are there radical sects that would try to do that? Yes. Did our government fund and finance that after World War II to try to beef those groups up? That's publicly available even in the Washington Post admits that. And the claim that they're going to kill all of us is as fake as claiming they've got EMP bombs and flying saucers.

[Dan]

That sure is different.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Since we know that God is working through Alex and telling him what time it is at night, the only explanation I can come up with that makes sense here is that God was chiller about Islam in 2006.

[Jordan]

Way chiller. That. That wasn't even a problem for a while, apparently. Apparently not.

[Dan]

This caller is being like, hey, man, you're being too. You're being too soft on the Muslims.

[Jordan]

I think. I think there should be. Okay, so you know how there's a continuity supervisor on a movie where they're like, ah, that glass of whiskey was too full, or whatever, you know? You know what I'm saying? Or you were wearing a different shirt. Something like that. We need a continuity enforcer for all media. There needs to be somebody there to enforce what you said a few months ago.

[Dan]

I don't actually think that. Because people can change their minds.

[Jordan]

Sure, they can change their minds, but that also becomes a demarcation point where you then have to be responsible to that at that moment, moving forward. You know what I'm saying?

[Dan]

True, true. It's hard to explain literally everything. The problem that I have, and where I'm going to agree with you is if you believe you're on a mission from God, then you need continuity.

[Jordan]

You need continuity.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or at least God needs continuity.

[Dan]

It's a low bar to demand.

[Jordan]

If. If God is 100% super cool with everything that Alex has been doing, then we're now in, like, trickster God territory. Like, we're in Loki territory. And if that's the case, none of us had a chance. No, that dude's a fucking liar.

[Dan]

So this caller has scolded Alex about being too nice to Muslims, and so he decides to explain that Islamophobia is bullshit.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Alex Jones]

So I don't even know what to say to this anymore. You know, this, this whole religious belief and this. This whole fake hoax subculture that it's got the Muslims creeping around everywhere wanting to kill us. In most Muslim countries, I darjamal on he's a Lebanese Christian. He's an American, multi generational Texan, but he's a Lebanese Christian. And I know a lot of Lebanese who are Christians. I know a lot of Egyptians that are Christians. I had a friend growing up who was. Who was Egyptian, who was an Egyptian Christian. And I've had Shiite Muslim friends who are from Iraq who I went to high school and college with. Really nice people, people I lifted weights with. And they weren't foaming at the mountain. They had Christian friends go over to their house for dinner, they'd have Christians over. It is not true. Okay. I mean, have there been Christian countries who use it as a political excuse to go kill their neighbors? Yes. Is It. The minority of Christians. Yes.

[Dan]

Is it you?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

To be clear, Alex now says that Islam is incompatible with the West. This is quite. Quite a shift.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep. With no known demarcation point or change. Just however the wind blows. Maybe just being in Texas for long enough. Enough. We'll get you there.

[Dan]

Well, I think it's that at the time, Alex didn't really care.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It was just like, hey, let's not do this Islamophobia stuff because it could blow back on us extremist fundamentalist Christians.

[Jordan]

I will say whatever is tactically and strategically appropriate at any given point in time, regardless of what it. Whether or not it contradicts what I just said two seconds ago.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think. I think that one of the things that makes it worse with that is that you now, like, he has expressed tolerance.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He has expressed an understanding that fully. Cultures get along. Yep. People of different backgrounds can break bread together.

[Jordan]

There's some assholes everywhere.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that a lot of hatred and bigotry. It makes more sense if someone just doesn't know.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

If they are just like, I've never met a Muslim.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Or whatever.

[Jordan]

It's easier to be lied to about the unknown as opposed to something that you're physically aware of. And tactically.

[Dan]

Yeah. So for Alex to retreat to a bigot position from a place of understanding is. It's. It's more intentional.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep. Yep.

[Dan]

So Alex has a doctor on. I think Dr. Breeding is his name. And I looked him up and he looks silly. I believe that he doesn't believe that mental health is real.

[Jordan]

Probably not.

[Dan]

And mental illness is all fake.

[Jordan]

That sounds true.

[Dan]

And I don't care. So he's sitting silently while Alex has some other guests on Dr. Brooding.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

So you've skipped past his main interview. Cause it's basically just like. Like it's all fake.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. What else is he gonna say?

[Dan DeWalt]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And meanwhile, he seems insane. But Alex has some other guys on. A couple of dudes who are trying to impeach Bush.

[Jordan]

Ooh, I like it.

[Alex Jones]

We are joined by Dan DeWalt and David Swanson. And of course, we have after Downistreet.org one of their folks on with us and Vermont Selectman Dan DeWalt to discuss recent developments in campaign to impeach Bush and remove his cronies from office. And don't think this can't happen. And I know Bush is just a puppet of these global interests, but still, we need to impeach him to punish him, to Let everybody know and other presidents know, he is not the law. He is not dictator, regardless of what his White House says or what he says. And for those that don't know, he's really declaring that he is a dictator.

[Dan]

So one of the guests Alex has on is a guy named Dan DeWalt, who'd gotten some media attention because he was a selectman in a town called Newfane, Vermont, population 16, 680, who had put it to a vote at a town hall meeting whether or not Bush should be impeached. The motion passed, 121 to 29, and it meant nothing. The town selectman of a tiny town in Vermont does not have the power to impeach the president. And Alex should know that if he's such a fan of the Constitution that he's always talking about, it's great for DeWalt to do this kind of thing. And there's a symbolic meaning to it, and I'm not gonna shit on that. Pretending this has. It's any different or more official than someone carrying around a petition is ridiculous.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex is trying to pretend that, like, oh, this is, this is going.

[Jordan]

To get a big deal. Yeah. I like the idea that one of like, like those old anachronistic laws, like, you know, you can't have your donkey out before 2 on Friday. You know, one of those kinds of things could also include like, and actually this guy can impeach the president. I don't know. We. We wrote it wrong. It was 1794 and somebody just got a bug up their ass in Vermont.

[Dan]

Yeah. This guy in Vermont can make a new crosswalk and impeach the president.

[Jordan]

And impeach the president.

[Dan]

Wild.

[Jordan]

Two things he's imbued with the power to do and marriages.

[Dan]

So this other guy, David Swanson, is an anti war activist who Alex would absolutely hate now.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yep.

[Dan]

He recently wrote a piece for his website called, quote, ice is at war with the United States and he is aggressively anti Trump. I don't think I agree with him about everything, but Alex would want to fight Swanson now. And the reality is that Alex would have wanted to fight him back then, too. It was just advantageous for him to play nice and pretend they had common ground, hoping to lure in some of his audience.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In 2002, Swanson wrote his vision for a positive 2050, and it included the following things that Alex hates even in 2006. Quote, A ban on discrimination due to sex, sexual preference or perceived cultural background, A ban on union busting, and on Right to work laws, increased taxation of corporations and the super wealthy, investment in central cities, universal public health care, universal public child care, universal transportation provision, guaranteed basic income, institution of the separation of church and state, increased aid abroad, amnesty for immigrants, a ban on private gun ownership, a ban on hunting and fishing. And the list goes on with all the things Alex would hate.

[Jordan]

Good luck, buddy.

[Dan]

And to be fair, Swanson isn't just like some left wing dude. He wrote an article arguing for Biden's impeachment a couple months after he was sworn in. And it starts like this quote. Since the presidency of Richard Nixon that I was born during, and since long before that, there's not been a president who in my view should not have been impeached, removed, removed and banned from holding office.

[Jordan]

Fair.

[Dan]

There also has not been an impeachment I supported up until the very most recent one. So I'm excessively pro impeachment or overly selective, depending on your perspective.

[Jordan]

Fair point.

[Dan]

He defends himself against people who'd say it's too soon to impeach Biden by arguing that Congress should impeach the most recently available person they can. So my point is this dude is not a lesser of two evils guy.

[Jordan]

No, it doesn't seem like it.

[Dan]

He loves the idea of impeachment.

[Jordan]

It does. It does feel like he's. Yeah. I mean, I think I'm. I think I'm the only other person I know who said we should probably just get them all.

[Dan]

I think that other people have said it for sure. Yeah. Not a lot of the folks that we run into.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think, you know, without being an expert on this and not knowing him too much, it seems like he really is anti war.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like he seems aggressively so, to the point where I did watch a video where he was arguing like against thinking that World War II was something that was good for us to do.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But not from the perspective of like endorsing the Nazis.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

In a. Like, hey, the war, when it started, wasn't inevitable.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There were things we could have done before that that we should have done.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Anyway, I think he just hates war. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, once you, if you really establish it, and I actually am against all wars position, what flows from that politically, you'll find goes in a lot of weird places.

[Dan]

It's true. And Alex doesn't have the stomach for it.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So Alex, he's talking to them about why Bush should be impeached.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think it's interesting.

[Alex Jones]

I think one of the reasons should be not Just lying premeditatedly about WMDs, which we now even have the White House memos on, which are even more damning than Downing street memos, in my opinion is his counsels, his lawyers saying he's above the law and him concurring. He needs to be removed right now.

[Dan DeWalt]

Yeah.

[David Swanson]

It's way more than likely you could even love the war in Iraq and still want to impeach Bush.

[Alex Jones]

We're bound.

[David Swanson]

When the United States signs a treaty, we're bound by that treaty as the supreme law of the land. And we've broken the treaties on treatment.

[Alex Jones]

Of civilians and prisoners of war, torture.

[David Swanson]

And the FISA act very specifically stated the President cannot go beyond the bounds.

[Alex Jones]

Of the FISA Act. He has admitted years in prison for every person that violates that.

[David Swanson]

He's admitted this. You've got breaking national law, breaking supreme law by virtue of breaking your treaties. You don't even have to think about the item. That's enough to impeach right there.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I agree with you.

[Dan]

Alex should not agree with this guy that the President is bound by international laws like treaties. Yeah, there may be a utility and not going back on agreements we've made, but he just agreed with someone who said that there's a supreme law that functions internationally and isn't from God. It's interesting how Alex is saying that Bush should be impeached because he thinks that he's above the law. But. But what he really means is that Bush should be impeached because Alex doesn't agree that he's above the law. Time has clearly shown us that he does not have a problem with presidents thinking they're above the law when he likes how they violate the law. Yeah, that's the real issue. Yep.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is hard not to. It's hard not to go like, hey, if we had stepped up once you find out a president lied you into war and we'd been like, nope, can't do that.

[Dan]

That.

[Jordan]

Well then we're definitely not here. We're definitely not here. This is. We get to hear several steps after you let the President lie you into a war. That's how bad it gets after you let the President do that.

[Dan]

Yeah. And ironically, Alex is going to argue exactly that in a couple clips. Great. But first he, he makes the point that cities need to impeach Bush because Congress is afraid of him.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Alex Jones]

We need to get every city out there to move for impeachment.

[Jordan]

Congress is afraid of everything.

[Alex Jones]

This is a group openly trying to set up a dictatorship. And Congress is scared of him. That's the biggest reason you're not seeing more resistance. That's why 95 members of the Senate voted for the Patriot act expansion this week, last week. Now Bush is going to sign it this week or next week is because people are scared. I mean, this isn't a joke. Bush is openly building concentration camp.

[Dan]

So what if a bunch of Democratic cities just decided to impeach Trump? Do you think Alex would be like, yeah, they're probably doing that because Congress is afraid of him.

[Jordan]

Probably. I bet.

[Dan]

Silly.

[Jordan]

I bet he would respond to that favorably. Especially if somebody brought up that it was his idea.

[Dan]

It's not even hypocrisy. It's just nuts.

[Jordan]

It's nuts. Yeah, yeah. Hypocrisy doesn't exist. We're well past hypocrisy. Into the absurd territory of fucking saying a person's name backwards to get them to disappear to a different dimension.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Nope. I've never been good at pronouncing things especially backwards.

[Jordan]

Especially backwards.

[Dan]

So Alex warns that government, they're gonna just, like, start arresting protestors and stuff. Well, they're gonna get out of control.

[Jordan]

I mean, they're gonna start.

[David Swanson]

They are absolutely determined to do what they think they want to do. And I think whatever it takes. If they can do without a dictatorship, that'll be good.

[Dan]

If it.

[David Swanson]

If it takes more, I don't.

[Alex Jones]

I don't think Republican Senate chairmans of committees saying war protesters are fifth columnists and need to be arrested, and all their mouthpieces are on the radio and TV saying it. And fire teachers that criticize. No free speech. I mean, that's dictatorship. When they claim they're above the courts and above the Congress.

[David Swanson]

Well, the new Patriot act has a whole new classification. I think they call them harassment or something.

[Alex Jones]

It has a national police force, unlimited jurisdiction for Secret Service or their designates, and no protected official need be around for them to instantly declare that you were in violation of the safe zone and you get a year and a half in prison starting.

[David Swanson]

Yeah, that's a. That's no joke. And it's today.

[Alex Jones]

And Democrats, of course, overwhelmingly help pass that.

[David Swanson]

That's why we need to take upon ourselves as citizens to deal with this. We need to put so much pressure on even the Democrats.

[Dan]

So Democrats obviously deserve criticism, and it's not wrong for these guests to voice those criticisms.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But in hindsight, it's very easy to see the way that Alex is using them.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

This horrifying fantasy that Alex has about the national police force who can declare magical safe zones where they can just do whatever they want to protesters is exactly what he supports. Now you cannot have the positions he's pretending to have in 2006 and then support ICE doing whatever they want just because they say that the people they fuck up are impeding them. The only way this is possible is either to accept that the 2006 position was a lie or for Alex to explain why he gave up on liberty.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's it.

[Dan]

Those are the. I don't see a third option.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, it is. It is leading me to develop my he who smelt it delta theory of Alex Jones. Insofar as if he's smelling. Smelling fascism, he's gonna be dealing fascism. So that's where I've stopped so far. That's the end of the theory.

[Dan]

It's an interesting theory. I think we've tested it. So both of these guys. Yeah, Dan, David, two guys who are anti war guys.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

One impeachment advocate from Vermont all the way. The other an anti war guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They're trying to have a little bit of a discussion about the dehumanization that comes along with war and the intersection of that and profit and corporations.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And Alex can't really engage except by being a gross kid.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[David Swanson]

And these vets are wonderful people with their family and friends, but they justify.

[Alex Jones]

Doing that to Iraqi families. And there's a group of Iraqi women now traveling around this country telling their stories. And it's stuff that you have never.

[David Swanson]

Heard in the American media. And it just.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I know what's confirmed. I mean, it's been all over foreign mainstream press where they get video of it or take photos or are there as it happens and they're just shooting women with children for fun. They just go watch me splatter this bleeper and the head just splatters. And they all hoop and yell and do high fives and the woman's holding a three year old as they walk down the dirt road trying to get food. And the baby just looks. They're standing over their splattered head and there's a bunch of animals rolling around basically getting sexual pleasure off of it. And those pieces of psychopathic trash are going to come back here and be cops and they're going to man the concentration camps. That's what these wars are about, is growing sickos. And gentlemen, what about Halliburton and the camps for the citizens?

[David Swanson]

I think when you're talking about, you know, the evil in the Bush administration, I think you're missing a large point which is way different than just somebody's psychology. That is corporations in this country have not only the Bush administration, but the Democrats in their pocket. And you know, whether they're evil or not isn't even the question. This is a matter of business. It's important for the corporations.

[Alex Jones]

No, you're right. They don't look at what they do. They don't get down there in the baby brains and the piles of rotten dead bodies with the maggots all over them. They sit up there in their $50 million houses with their three mistresses, all oiled and pampered, smoking Cuban cigars while this country's going to hell in a handbasket. Yeah, I think that you're exactly right.

[Dan]

They're trying to discuss dehumanization. They're trying to discuss the alienation of. This is a corporate thing. It's not even a matter of good or evil.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

And Alex is dehumanizing. He's being grotesque and childish and gross about these things. He can't engage with the idea, so he has to put on the performance of anger and say gross shit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It feels like the subtext is like, hey, man, I don't need your help. And Alex being like, clearly you do. You're making very rational points. What you should be doing, screaming. Screaming about nonsense and calling people cockroaches.

[Dan]

It has the feeling of a kid's table.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like he's at the kids table and the other two are adults.

[Jordan]

And the, the, like the aggressive interruption of. If I have to listen to you, I'm not going to understand you. So I'm going to take things where I can understand them. And then you'll just baby brains and you'll be like, I guess I agree with you.

[Dan]

I guess so.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's your show.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And again, I want to say I didn't. I. I don't know who these guys are. And if they suck in the last 20 years, I apologize.

[Jordan]

It's been 20 years. We're not doing this. There's plenty of people who suck over past 20 years.

[Dan]

So that thought that you had earlier about how the consequences unfold if you don't punish a president for doing the kinds of things that the presidents have done will happen. Alex literally says that.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Alex Jones]

This was all done by design. They're going to let the Republicans become the image of a demon and they're going to put Democrats in later who will continue carrying out the policies. And then so called conservatism. Itself, things that are important, like the second Amendment, to protect ourselves from these tyrannies and other things are going to be demonized further. And it's all set up by design. But we have got to punish the executive now because clearly the elite wants an imperial executive. Bush is just their puppet. This is. The globalists want this dictatorship of their own control. And this is classical. I mean, Bush is announcing he's a dictator. You know the jokes of 2000 and 2001. If I was a dictator, you know, things would be a lot better. Just so long as, you know, I'm the dictator. In fact, grab that clip. Scott, can you find that and get that ready? I want to play that audio for folks that.

[Dan]

All right, let me just grab that for you.

[Dan DeWalt]

You are promising America tonight you would never abuse power as retribution against anybody. Except for day one. Except he's going crazy. Except for day one. Meaning I want to close the border.

[Jordan]

And I want to drill.

[Dan DeWalt]

That's not a, that's, that's not, that's not retribution. I got. I'm going to be, I'm going to be. You know, he keeps. We love this guy. He says, you're not going to be a dictator, are you? I said, no, no, no. Other than day one.

[Dan]

Oh, sorry, wrong clip. Here, this is the right one.

[Dan DeWalt]

So the line is that I'm a dictator, but I stop crying. So a lot of people say, you know, if that's the case, I'd rather have a dictator, but I'm not a dictator. I just had to stop crying.

[Dan]

Oh, shit, wrong clip. Hold on, here's. Here's the right one.

[Dan DeWalt]

We had a good speech. We got great reviews. I can't believe it. We got good reviews in that speech. Usually they say he's a horrible dictator type person. I'm a dict. But sometimes you need a dictator.

[Dan]

Yeah. So maybe Alex was right that if we didn't punish the executive branch for its misdeeds in 2006, we were heading for a dictatorship. I'm willing to say that his instincts were correct on that. But I say that with one major caveat. If we accept that Alex had this level of clarity and insight, then we have to also accept that his actions in the recent past are a clear headed support of dictatorship.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's a situation where him being kind of right about something actually makes him way worse of a person because there's no way to plead ignorance. Yeah, you fucking know what you're doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, I'm just, I'm thinking about the power of saying something true and attributing it to they. You know, like, of all the things that you could do damaging in this time period, it is to associate any, like, actual truth with. And it's because of the evil overlords. You know, like, to. To shit ify being honest. Right. Just to make. To make like, hey, man, this is a very reasonable point, and that's because we don't deal with the demon aliens that are taking over.

[Dan]

Are you trying to describe a turd in a punch bowl?

[Jordan]

A little bit like a turd in a punch bowl.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Somebody who would, like, take something that seems reasonable, like pop. Yeah. And then put a turd in it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That would be Alex.

[Dan]

He's described other people like that accurately also, by the way.

[Jordan]

Well, you know, they've all. They. They're all the turd in a turd bowl.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that's the problem.

[Dan]

So those guys who want to impeach bush leave. And Alex is left alone with his.

[Jordan]

Weird doctor who was there the whole time.

[Dan]

Why? He pipes up a couple times. Okay, he's there. He stays. Because he and Alex are buddies.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's never been in studio before.

[Jordan]

Oh, that makes sense. Okay, I gotcha.

[Dan]

But, yeah, he's.

[Jordan]

He's having a bit of a ride along. He's taking it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I gotcha.

[Dan]

The other guys were on the phone, so, like, he didn't have to give up his.

[Jordan]

Right. Why not just hang.

[Dan]

Hey. So then they take some calls, and the doctor guy is. Is still there. Oh, and this is a. This is a great, great Alex moment. The other thing is, I don't know.

[Alex Jones]

Do you know about Michael Edward Bell from Kenosha, Wisconsin? He was shot in the head by.

[David Swanson]

The KPD Police department.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, they admitted it. They should lay on the ground. He laid on the ground. And I've got the report. And they shot him in the head. And then the cops, the government said, we're allowed to kill you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

I was just wondering if you knew.

[Jordan]

About that story or not, or if.

[David Swanson]

Like, you have put.

[Alex Jones]

Yes, I actually have it here in front of me, and I believe we did post it. Thanks for the call. Dr. Breeding comments on that. It's unspeakable. So we're speaking it. You speak the truth. Declare the truth.

[Dan]

This caller has to know that neither Alex nor his doctor friend know anything about this case that he brought up. There's no reason that Alex would have this story in his stack of news to cover that day, because this shooting happened in 2004.

[Jordan]

Ooh.

[Dan]

Alex also has basic details of the story wrong. Like the fact that the police had Bell against his car when they shot him. Not on the ground. Right. Further, they didn't claim that they can just kill people. The police argued that Bell had tried to grab one of their guns. Guns which was later proven to be forensically impossible since none of his DNA was found on that gun. What you hear in that clip is Alex being aware that he should know something about this case, that the caller is bringing up. The character that he plays would know about it. So when confronted with the question, he has to bluff. Not only does Alex know about this story, he's getting ready to cover it today before this caller even brought it up.

[Jordan]

Crazy. He was there when the caller woke up this morning. Yeah, yeah, He's.

[Dan]

He broke this story.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. That happened yesterday and not several years ago.

[Dan]

One of the big tells here is Alex throwing it immediately to his guest to buy time. But unfortunately for him, that dude knows even less about the shooting. The other tell is Alex getting the guy off the phone immediately.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, that one was quick.

[Dan]

Hanging up on the guy and then being like, hey, we're Doctor, what do you think?

[Jordan]

Also, the level of unpreparedness that this doctor was. That's not fair. That's not fair to do to him.

[Dan]

These are unspeakable truths. Speak the truth.

[Jordan]

Honestly, that was terrible and insane, but it wasn't as bad as it could have been. That guy is thrown into an impossible position to try and make something up about something he doesn't know he's got to try and make something about that he doesn't want to try and make up something about.

[Dan]

Yeah. He gives off the vibe of someone who is like, all pharmaceutical drugs are evil. But also. So I'm on a Quaalude.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. All pharmaceutical drugs are illegal. There's some good ones. There's some good ones if you know what you're doing.

[Dan]

So I just thought that that is a perfect little moment for Alex, and I'd like to leave us on that feeling.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because the rest of the show isn't really all that interesting, but, yeah, Alex knows the character he's supposed to play, and you see the it throughout this episode, and it's. It's in very stark contrast to who he's become.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. It is. Like watching it 20 years ago, watching it 10 years ago, watching it now, all of that stuff for people, I think, who get a slice of it, you know, little slices here and there they go Is he. Is it real? What does he actually believe? All of that stuff, you know, and those go. But if you look at it in the totality, it's all real and it's all not real.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He believes all of it and he believes none of it. This. He is always only ever playing the character that the moment requires him of.

[Dan]

You know, reality does not matter, but the reality of his priorities does.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And his priorities are essentially about maintaining what he believes to be the natural order. Yep. And as.

[Jordan]

As taught to him by jbs. People on his dad's knee. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And it. And he wants you to stalk people. That's the other part of it, man.

[Jordan]

20 years, man.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's the other thing. Think about. He's like 31, probably. You know, it's. That's crazy.

[Jordan]

It is crazy. I mean, then there's also the possibility. There's also the possibility. And we'll never be able to know for sure until he's dead. But he could have a brain parasite.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

You know, something could have crawled inside of his brain. We don't even know what parasites do what.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Maybe this is what happens with the really bad Toxoplasma gondii. You know, like the really bad stuff turns you into a fascist.

[Dan]

I have a. I have an argument to make, and I think it's a bad one. So I'm gonna warn you right before I even start. Ready?

[Jordan]

Let's get it.

[Dan]

If we allow for full size demons.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

What would stop one of these little things that go into your brain from being a little demon germ?

[Jordan]

That's a good question.

[Dan]

Germs could be demons.

[Jordan]

That is definitely true.

[Dan]

So that's probably what happened.

[Jordan]

I would assume so.

[Dan]

Alex has a demon parasite of some sort. That explains his drastic shift.

[Jordan]

Yes. He's probably got the mushroom thing from the last of us. That's probably what happened.

[Dan]

This checks out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also makes you hate Muslims.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's a weird. It's a weird part of the mushroom.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's crazy how prejudice those mushrooms are.

[Dan]

Yeah. I hate. I hate going back to a random date and it. Feeling present, you know, like it feels like it's in conversation with the president.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I wish it would have been a little bit sillier, but still fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I think. I think the problem there is just no matter how. Okay, we're always going to be getting older and the past is always going to be what it was. So anytime you add like 20 years to that, you're gonna be like, ah, fuck that's in conversation with the present.

[Dan]

No, not, not this. We'd randomly gone back to the day where like someone stole a chicken or whatever the fuck.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, that's true.

[Jordan]

That would have been a good day. That would have been. You never know when somebody's gonna steal a chicken.

[Dan]

Alex had a movie review or something like, you know, that would have been a nice little piece of randomness. Yeah, maybe.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

March 10th, he will.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

Maybe we stay in 2006 until it starts getting wrong about the present.

[Dan]

The water is nicer.

[Jordan]

It is a lot nicer.

[Dan]

And you know what I think are toll roads, man. But you know what? We have to get back to the present.

[Alex Jones]

Why are you doing what you're doing?

[Dan]

Good point. We'll stay in the past.

[Jordan]

I think that's a good point.

[Dan]

Call.

[Jordan]

So more ventriloquism, please. More ventriloquism.

[Dan]

I love it when he has a guest named. Anyway, we'll be back with another episode probably from the past. But until then we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledge. Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

[David Swanson]

I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.