#1116: March 13, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight – Episode #1116: March 13, 2006

Podcast Date: February 13, 2026
Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Main Focus: Revisiting the March 13, 2006 Alex Jones Show, particularly Alex’s claims about the death of Slobodan Milosevic, with digressions into meme culture, college conspiracies, and Alex’s shifting worldview.

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Episode Overview

Dan and Jordan kick off a “Bagel Boss–sized” (short, punchy) episode by jumping back to March 13, 2006, to dissect Alex Jones’s real-time response to the death of former Serbian/Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic. The episode’s core theme is unraveling Alex’s immediate pivot to conspiracy, his revisionist take on Balkan history, and his pattern of reflexive contrarianism. Along the way, the hosts discuss Internet culture, college “brainwashing,” and the politics of forced apologies.

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Episode Highlights & Key Segments

[00:59] Casual Catch-Up & Bright Spots

• Dan and Jordan exchange their “bright spots,” mixing weather small talk (warming weather!) with video game nostalgia—Dan is replaying the Pikmin series.
• Quote (Jordan, 01:36):
  “The future appears to be getting warmer still.”
• Conversation segues into the structure of Pikmin vs. Lemmings (“not really... Lemmings walk forward no matter what”), emphasizing Pikmin's themes of isolation and collecting.

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[06:01] Bagel Boss Reference & Meta-Podcast Banter

• Dan introduces the “Bagel Boss episode” running joke, ribbing Jordan about not knowing viral memes.
• Quote (Jordan, 06:58):
  “I think you secretly know about these things and you pretend not.”

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[08:33] Entering The Past: March 13, 2006

• The timeline is set—no Alex episodes on March 11–12, 2006, as Alex didn’t have Sunday broadcasts yet.
• Dan and Jordan anchor the episode as occurring just after the sudden death of Slobodan Milosevic, a leading figure in 1990s Balkan wars.

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[09:38] Alex’s Hot Take: Milosevic “Clearly Murdered”

• Alex Jones (09:38):

  “We're going to get into the clear murder of Solo Milajevic and the admitted poisoning that he underwent.”

• Alex frames Milosevic’s death as assassination—linking it to alleged exposure of Al Qaeda as a US proxy (quoting a supposed Senate report).
• Dan & Jordan immediately flag that Alex is distorting events, diving into the facts:
  • Milosevic died of a heart attack in Hague custody during his war crimes trial.
  • Toxicology revealed no poisons; brief presence of rifampicin was a red herring—likely from smuggled meds (see 12:50–15:35).
  • Milosevic systematically undermined his health care in a likely bid to delay trial/seek treatment abroad.

Memorable Quote

• Jordan (13:45):
  “If you've got one of those guys, you got to kill him before he dies. ... We can't just let life take all of us, sooner or later. But this one's for us, you know?”

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[16:56] Revisionist History: Crime Denial & “Fake Genocide”

• Alex (16:56):

  “...ITN admittedly produced fake video... said these were concentration camp victims behind barbed wire... turned out it was an MI6 propaganda piece.”

• Dan systematically debunks Alex’s narrative, explaining the ITV/Time magazine photo’s actual context: it showed a real Bosnian Serb-run prison camp; survivors and journalists confirm large-scale atrocities.
  • Alex is “fucking lying about an ethnic cleansing campaign” (Dan, 20:31).

Memorable Quote

• Jordan (20:49):
  “That's why you got to get him. Just to let everybody know that monsters can be. Monsters are real.”

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[21:26] The “Good Slobodan Milosevic” Argument

• Alex (21:26):

  “Slovin Milajevic did a lot of bad things, but most of what you hear is a lie. ... Al Qaeda, led by the super CIA officer Osama bin Laden... began rocket attacks...”

• Alex pivots to defending Milosevic’s crackdown in Kosovo as fighting the KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army)—again, mangling timelines/conflicts (mixing up Bosnia and Kosovo).
• Dan notes: Alex’s argument, if logically extended, justifies ethnic cleansing and ignores international law.

Notable Exchange

• Jordan (24:03):
  “If you're familiar enough with Slowdown to call him Slowbo, we got a problem.”

• The hosts highlight the danger of Alex’s brand of “contrarianism,” which here amounts to ethnic cleansing apologism.

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[25:57] Milosevic as Victim of “Globalists”

• Alex (25:57):

  “He had a sovereign nation... he was not playing ball with the globalists. And he wouldn't let the new world order banking system take over...”

• Alex blames Milosevic’s overthrow and Serbia’s woes on rejection of globalism, throwing in deranged factoids about “depleted uranium” birth defects.
• Dan (29:20):

  “For Alex, ethnic cleansing is a legitimate means of trying to defend a country if the circumstances are right.”

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[32:10] How Long Does Alex Sell This Angle?

• Hosts speculate on whether Alex keeps up the pro-Milosevic line, observing that it likely fades as it’s too overtly toxic even for most InfoWars fans.
• Dan and Jordan both flag “instinctual contrarianism,” a recurring Alex trait.

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[33:14] College “Brainwashing” Segment

• Caller laments (41:02):

  “I stop sometimes to correct them on certain things... about the Bilderbergs... and they’re like: stop for the conspiracies and all that...”

• Alex (41:47):

  “You're paying to be taught a false paradigm... school of economics... just teaching you the mindset to go be a cog and a fraud.”

• Dan points out Alex’s positions on higher ed have changed drastically over the years (from “government is perfect” brainwashing to “schools hate America” culture war narratives).

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[49:06] Repent America & Abortion Discourse

• Alex brings on a guest from “Repent America”—a fundamentalist anti-abortion group.
  • Alex claims liberals assume he's pro-choice because he opposes Bush, declaring: “It is murder, and it is horrible. And if you've done it, you can be forgiven. Okay. You can forgive yourself. God can forgive you.”
  • Dan’s rejoinder (51:05): “If you find it difficult to take responsibility for your actions in the real world, consider this: Make up your own world where taking responsibility for your actions actually costs you nothing.”
• Dan and Jordan discuss why reproductive choice is foundational to freedom—not a partisan “tenet.”

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Notable Quotes & Timestamps

• Alex Jones (09:38):
  “We're going to get into the clear murder of Solo Milajevic and the admitted poisoning that he underwent...”

• Jordan (13:45):
  “Life is going to take all of us sooner or later, but this one’s for us, you know?”

• Dan (20:31):
  “Alex is fucking lying about, you know, an ethnic cleansing campaign that was carried out in the 90s...”

• Alex (25:57):
  “He had a sovereign nation... and he was not playing ball with the globalists.”

• Jordan (24:03):
  “If you’re familiar enough with Slowdown to call him Slowbo, we got a problem.”

• Alex (41:47):
  “You're paying to be taught a false paradigm... just teaching you the mindset to go be a cog and a fraud.”

• Dan (51:05):
  “If you find it difficult to take responsibility for your actions in the real world, consider this: Make up your own world where taking responsibility for your actions actually costs you nothing.”

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Dan & Jordan’s Main Insights

• Alex’s takes are often based on poorly understood, cherry-picked or fabricated versions of history—notably in the Balkans, where he collapses timelines/conflicts to fit a “globalist” narrative.
• Infowars-style “contrarianism” is dangerous. When applied without proportion or critical nuance, it enables the defense of atrocities simply because “the mainstream says otherwise.”
• Alex’s conception of “elites” and “education” is deeply flexible—contradictory over time—bending to whatever serves his current fear-based media model.
• Worthwhile contrarianism needs health and humility, not just knee-jerk opposition.
• Discussions on abortion/reproductive rights reveal Alex’s worldview as one where self-absolution is always available, while others must be punished.

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Final Thoughts (53:04–55:53)

• Dan reflects on how, in retrospect, many on the anti-war or left were eager to accept Alex as an ally—overlooking clear extremist signals.
• Jordan: “I can’t imagine being at some sort of ... lefty politics ... this guy still likes Slobodan Milosevic. So I guess we’re allowing him in here, but, sure.”
• They muse about tracking whether Alex maintains or drops the pro-Milosevic narrative in future episodes—a “Slobo Watch.”
• Dan (54:28):
  “It seems to be like an instinctual desire to create a conspiracy and a murder that he’s going to have to give up on.”

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Useful Timestamps

• Milosevic discourse: 09:38–32:10
• Debunking Bosnian war/genocide revision: 16:56–23:17
• College “brainwashing” exchange: 41:02–47:00
• Abortion/Repent America segment: 49:06–53:04

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Episode’s Tone & Takeaways

Rooted in Jordan and Dan’s classic blend of dry wit, historical rigor, and exasperation with Alex’s recklessness, this episode underscores how unchecked, uncritical contrarianism (especially with a conspiratorial streak) warps history and threatens reasoned public discourse. The hosts balance laughter at Alex’s absurdities with a sober critique of his foundational assumptions, making this a brisk but rich episode—recommending that listeners use critical thinking and fact-checking instead of “doing their own research” in the InfoWars sense.

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For first-time listeners and regulars alike, this installment is an incisive case study in how conspiratorial media warps world events, and why understanding recent history really matters.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Caller]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge.

[Dan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

I am sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Knowledge.

[Alex Jones]

I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Need. Need money.

[Alex Jones]

Andy and Kansas. Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Caller]

I'm a fish in color.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word. Knowledge fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Celine and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What'd you bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, it's still February, so tradition dictates that you must go first.

[Jordan]

Well, fair enough. I suppose my bright spot today is that it is getting. Here's what I'll do. I'll do this right. I just want to know what the weather's going to be in the future.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

So rather than try and hope for better weather, what I'm going to do is say that my bright spot is things are getting warmer.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And the future appears to be getting warmer still.

[Dan]

It does look like that. Now, granted, we're coming from a place of very cold.

[Jordan]

This is why I am saying this now. Because when it gets cold again, I'll know that it's my fault. So I'm. I'm expecting it to get cold again, despite the lies of them saying that it's going to be warm. So I'm going to say that I'm grateful that it's warm, thus guaranteeing that it will continue to be cold.

[Dan]

It's starting to feel a little bit like tolerable.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that is nice news for people who like to be outside. Whether you have to walk a dog or I want to go to the woods.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like it's been not. Not an option.

[Alex Jones]

Really.

[Dan]

Yeah, for a bit.

[Jordan]

This, this morning was the first couple of times, like the last couple of days was the first time that I gotten to take the dogs out without shoes in the morning for a long time.

[Dan]

I mean, there's talk of 40s I've heard.

[Jordan]

Madness, madness.

[Dan]

A balmy 40.

[Jordan]

Do you not remember? It was negative 30 a while back. Sure was crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. Well, I'm glad that you're taking the time to be grateful to the universe for being warmer.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. How about you? What's your bright spot?

[Dan]

My bright spot, I guess, is that because it's still been a little bit cold and I haven't been able to go to the woods. I have started replaying Pikmin.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

From the beginning.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Dan]

So I started at one.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And I'm gonna go through them up till four.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And. Yeah. I'm gonna see if I can get through it without me getting annoyed by the game or it bothering me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Cause I remember I love all of them and I have positive memories of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so far I've made a real quick run through Pikmin 1.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, that's a pretty small game, all things considered.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But yeah, it's been a delight. I'm excited for two. And we'll see. We'll see where it goes from there.

[Jordan]

We'll see where it goes. Might be a. It might be a deeper relationship. Maybe. You know, maybe by the time Pikmin 5 comes around, it'll be.

[Dan]

I don't know if they'll ever make a Pikmin 5.

[Jordan]

Yeah, probably.

[Dan]

I hope they will. I think it's a great structure for a game.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a lot of fun to throw those little guys around and pick up stuff, solve little problems.

[Jordan]

Is it. Is Pikmin like. Because I've never played Pikmin, but my understanding of it is it is essentially like the. The cubed version of Lemmings from the old, old Lemmings days. It's like you multiply that in a bunch of different ways and you get Pikmin.

[Dan]

Not really. Because lemmings are all about getting through a course.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Or whatever. And the lemmings walk forward and you have to have ones that blow up things in order to blow something up or digging. Lemmings.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It's not like that. Cause that's on rails.

[Jordan]

Lemmings keep moving forward no matter what.

[Dan]

Yeah. And the Pikmin, they follow you around and you can throw them at stuff.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And so you're Captain Olimar in the first one.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

You've crash landed on the planet.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

And it may or may not be Earth. Probably is Earth.

[Jordan]

Probably Earth.

[Dan]

And you find little guys, little alien guys, and they like you. And you hit it off and you find you can throw them at stuff and then they'll break down walls and pick up things. So you have to go find all the pieces of your craft.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Your. Your spaceship that has been broken on this planet.

[Jordan]

This is a new take on the alien invasion. A lot of people lately have been going, you know, more Independence Day with it. I like this. I like this style. This is like essentially meeting the dodo and then using it to solve problems, if I understand correctly.

[Dan]

Sure. And you have as much concern for their well being as a dodo. That's. But there's. There's something that really is. It strikes a deep tone about the game where you're stuck on this planet and you're lonely. You know, like there's no around. You're the only human on this planet except your little friends. Your little Pikmin friends.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And then in future games.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You have to come back on behalf of like a corporation.

[Jordan]

Oh, the. Well.

[Dan]

That wants to make money off this.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

But I think that. I think there's a satire in it. I think that anyway, I'm enjoying it and hopefully two will live up to my memories.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that'd be nice.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Dan]

And it's gonna be a mini little, little probably a short episode. A Bagel Boss sized episode. I made Jordan watch the Bagel Boss video before the episode, before we started.

[Jordan]

Sometimes whenever I miss out on something, it. It delivers. Sometimes. Most of the time, whenever I miss out on stuff. No big deal. No problem. This one, there was a. There was a solid punch at the.

[Dan]

End to me that like I made a reference to the Bagel Boss and you were super confused. And to me that feels like Hawk to a level of like, you have to know what this is. How did you miss that?

[Jordan]

I missed Hawk to a.

[Dan]

But you know what that is.

[Jordan]

I do now because you explained it to me in almost the exact same kind of circumstances.

[Dan]

I didn't seek out Hoktu. It was hoisted upon me as the same with Bagel Boss.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

I would like to not know who these people are.

[Jordan]

No, I'm getting trickle down memes from you.

[Dan]

I think you secretly know about these things and you pretend not.

[Jordan]

To what end? To what? It's just you and me.

[Dan]

Your wife doesn't come home and be like, jordan, you got to hear about the Bagel Boss the kids at school are talking about.

[Jordan]

I don't have anyone to impress by watching or not watching. My dogs will not care one way or the other.

[Dan]

That's not true. That is not true.

[Jordan]

Sunny is a little jacuzzi there. Is that.

[Dan]

Yeah. So anyway, Bagel Boss sized episode. Short in stature, Salty. And we'll get down to business on what's going on. But first, let's take a moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Bia lzapev and her 100 foot tall mantis being that breaks your will. Thank you so much. You're now Palsy Wonky.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Okay, next trucker, Pikachu. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And MJB saying, Happy 40th birthday. Love, MLB. That would be amazing. Thank you so much. You're now Ballsy Wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to. Happy anniversary, my Darth Jar. Jar of the Caribbean, you are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Caller]

4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant.

[Alex Jones]

Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark, bom bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes. Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So we are back in the past.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And our last episode was about March 10, 2006. And there is no 11th or 12th because there's no Saturday. And Alex didn't have a Sunday show.

[Jordan]

It was the first year. I remember that. It was the first year they got rid of the 10th and 11th or the 11th and 12th of March.

[Dan]

It's like hotels with the 13th floor.

[Jordan]

Exactly. 06 was a rough year for people.

[Dan]

So we. The Monday is the 13th, and there was a part of me that was like, well, let's check back in on the present. Let's just get a little taste of Epstein. Files are going crazy.

[Jordan]

People are very sure that something's gonna happen.

[Dan]

Sure. A lot of folks on Alex's team were mad about Bad Bunny.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So, you know, there's some interesting stuff maybe to get into. Yeah. But I dipped into the 13th, and there was a major world news event that I think we had forgotten. Happens right here.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

And so I had to. I had to stick around and talk about this.

[Jordan]

Yes, please.

[Dan]

And so that news is that Slobodan Milosevic has died.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

Two big guests lined up for you today. We're going to get into the clear murder of Solo Milajevic and the admitted poisoning that he underwent. Wonder why? Well, because he was testifying on his own behalf and exposing how Al Qaeda works for the US Government was attacking his country. And that was in a Republican report by the Senate in 1999. Again, Al Qaeda always working for its. Its father. It sprung from the loins of the NWO and is a. Is a dutiful hound when it comes to running down sovereign nations.

[Dan]

So, yeah, the big news for this weekend was that Slobodan Milosevic had died in a prison cell at the Hague. And Alex has immediately decided this is murder.

[Jordan]

I mean, I. Here's what I think. I think of all the things that I was expecting, the first one that we were going to hear wasn't going to be something that was like, I'm kind of on Sloan on Milosevic side.

[Dan]

Wait for it.

[Jordan]

Okay. Because the vibe I'm getting is I'm. I'm saying that Slobodan was framed. I feel like that's what I'm getting.

[Dan]

This episode, though our content is short and there is not that much to talk about.

[Alex Jones]

There's a lot to talk about.

[Dan]

He's a weird take.

[Jordan]

Okay, fine. Okay, fine.

[Dan]

So it's only been a few days, but the Infowars forensic team has determined that this was a poisoning. Case closed.

[Jordan]

Sure. Done and done.

[Dan]

So Alex is wrong about this. And Milosevic died of a heart attack. His trial for crimes against humanity had been going on for over four years at this point, and it hadn't finished at the time of his death.

[Jordan]

He'd done a lot of crimes against humanity. So many that was just them naming the number of crimes that he'd done against humanity.

[Dan]

Yeah, he was a bad dude.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So part of the reason that the trial went on as long as it did was because Milosevic was in such poor health. This is explained in the report on the investigation of his death. Quote, the trial was interrupted frequently during the prosecution case because of Mr. Milosevic's health. In August 2002, the trial schedule was reduced on the recommendation of the cardiologist treating Mr. Milosevic, Dr. Van Dickman, to allow four consecutive days of rest every two days, two weeks of trial. This was further reduced in September 2003 on the advice of Dr. Van Dickman to a trial schedule of only three days sitting a week. They did a full toxicology report and found that there was no sign of any poisons in his system, just the regular medications that he was prescribed for things like blood pressure. Sure. There's one interesting wrinkle, which is that a blood sample taken from him in January, two months prior to his death, did have traces of rifampicin in it, which wasn't prescribed. This is an antibiotic that's used to treat leprosy and tuberculosis, but it can have a side effect of making drugs meant to deal with hypertension less effective. It's unclear how he would have gotten this drug without it being prescribed since he was in a prison, but it provides a possible explanation for how Milosevic could have been at a greater risk of heart attack at that time.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

The autopsy and toxicology report done after his death showed that he didn't have any rifampicin in his system, though. So it was unlikely that him having a heart attack like that weekend, it's unlikely that it could have been caused by an antibiotic making his hypertension meds less effective. But two months prior, there was that blood test. And that's interesting, and that's where the poisoning argument comes from for Alex.

[Jordan]

But it is almost certainly just a wild coincidence that has absolutely nothing to do with this. Not could be a small factor in this, but ultimately what killed him was that he's an old fucking man and.

[Dan]

He was in prison with severe problems with his heart.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

He had some arterial.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Issues.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I feel like. Here's what I'm saying. All right, if you've got one of those guys, you got to kill him before he dies. You know, we got to. We got to be like, hey, listen, this guy's going to die, but we got to do it. We got to take you out. We can't just let.

[Dan]

On principle.

[Jordan]

Yeah. We can't just let life take. Listen, life is going to take all of us sooner or later, but this one's for us, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. And I don't know how I would argue with that. Certainly connects to some feelings. Yeah. And in terms of this poisoning argument.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would say that it's less like a coincidence the way you're saying. But it's unrelated to the cause of death.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

It's him having that in his system is not a coincidence.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But it's not an attempted poisoning.

[Jordan]

Coincidence is a literal word that could be used, but the implication is not the same.

[Dan]

It's more. It's a non secular.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So on the surface, it seems weird that he would have this antibiotic in his system and it not be something he was prescribed. But in early February, the guards searched his cell and they found other prescribed, unprescribed medications that were smuggled into him by privileged visitors.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

He had a privileged office that was outside.

[Jordan]

See what I'm saying? You got to kill him.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, he's a, like, former head of state. You have to allow him to have confidential meetings.

[Jordan]

All. All of it makes perfect sense. I understand everybody's reasoning, but they are not understanding my reasoning, which is that you got to kill him.

[Dan]

So, basically, here's what was going on. Milosevic wanted to be given a provisional release to get medical treatment in Russia, presumably as some part of a plan to flee there and hide in exile. How would you not and either evade international law or delay his trial to a point where he could escape from what was clearly coming.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And good on him. That's what you should be trying to do.

[Dan]

Yeah. So he didn't comply with his prison medical team, but was getting outside medical attention smuggled to him, which he took in the form of him not taking various things that he was prescribed and taking other things that he wasn't prescribed that people had brought in to the prison for him.

[Jordan]

Crazy.

[Dan]

He had a very serious heart condition. And through his unwillingness to cooperate with a treatment plan, he made his own death much more likely. Sure. Although probably not like a suicide attempt on his part. He was trying to derail something in order to get to Russia, whatever was going on. Yeah.

[Jordan]

People had a bad plan.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And one of the things, if you read through the, like, full report on his. His death, there were unprescribed medications that he was taking that someone had snuck into him in the prison that were things that the doctors tried to get him to take. And he had refused.

[Jordan]

Right? Yeah.

[Dan]

He had refused it from the, like, prison doctors, but he would take it from these people. Yeah. It's a derailment of the prison health care.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, you know, I understand totally not taking something prescribed and then taking the exact same thing from somebody that you trust who gave it to you especially. But that's because you're crazy. Right. If you're at the Hague with your own, like, private room, you're being taken care of so much better than you have any right to be. Why would they murder you that way?

[Dan]

You know, at that point.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. That'd be ridiculous.

[Dan]

So Alex is like, hey, man, Milosevic set up. It was all a setup.

[Jordan]

I cannot believe that.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Alex Jones]

Before I get into all of that, let's get into someone. Milajevic, who was clearly murdered back in the early 1990s ITN admittedly produced fake video of a food storage pantry, a cinder block aid building, part of a UN building that had food. And it showed about 50 people lives, all seen. The footage on the COVID of Time magazine is still shot of the video up against the barbed wire begging for food. But our media, starting with it and over in England said that that these were concentration camp victims behind barbed wire begging for food. It turned out it was an MI6 propaganda piece. Much like Saddam throwing babies out of incubators was admitted. Paid for Pentagon pr. That's now admitted. Just total lie, but it didn't matter. That spurred the US to support the UN going in and stealing large portions of Serbia and engaging in mass murder of the Serbian people. Now, I'm not getting into a fight here with the Croats and the Muslims and everybody else.

[Dan]

Okay, man. So Alex is talking about the Bosnian war, which lasted from 1992 to 1995. That war was a piece of the larger fallout from the breakup of Yugoslavia, which led to the creation of the state of Bosnia and Herzegovina. This was a country that had a largely split population with the major blocs of Bosniaks and Serbs who were Muslim and Orthodox respectively, and a minority population of Croats who were mostly Catholic. The Serb population of the country did not support the unified independent government of Bosnia and Herzegovina and had a separatist streak, aligning with the country directly to their East Serbia, whose president was Slobodan Milosevic. Simultaneously, the Croats and Bosniaks didn't really get along and they were fighting each other, which helped make it easier for the Serbs to take over most of the country with the aid of Milosevic. Yeah. The picture that Alex is talking about from the COVID of Time magazine was of a man named Fikrat Alec, who was at the time being held at the Turnipole camp, which was a Serb run prison, not a food depot. This was in 1992, and word had reached the media about a concentration camp called Omarska where Croats and Bosnian Muslims were alleged to be being held and tortured. Yeah, the Serbs offered to allow Western media to come in to tour Omarska and see how wrong this story was. And while they were there, journalists uncovered that detainees had been taken from Omarska to other more obscure detention centers in advance of their visit.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

The guy in that Time magazine cover had arrived at Trimolj from another camp, Kara Term, where he witnessed 130 people being murdered in a hangar. Sure, he had just arrived there recently because of the reshuffling around detainees. After speaking to the media, Fikrat Alec was targeted and likely would have been killed had he not managed to escape from that camp, where only four days later, over 200 people were executed, including his cousin.

[Jordan]

That sounds right.

[Dan]

The ITV footage that Alex is talking about, you can. You can find it. It's on YouTube. And there's no other way to put this. Alex is fucking lying about, you know, an ethnic cleansing campaign that was carried out in the 90s in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, that one was.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So, like, even with a bad memory, I remember Omarska. I wasn't even barely alive. The wool.

[Dan]

Yeah. And him being like, no, it was a food depot. Everyone was like, what?

[Jordan]

That's what?

[Dan]

That's wild.

[Jordan]

That's why you got it. That's why you got to get him. Just to let everybody know that monsters can be. Monsters are real.

[Dan]

So monsters can be. Possibility is possible in the world.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So, I mean, you might be coming away from this with the perspective that Alex is like, hey, I like this Miloevich guy.

[Jordan]

It feels like he's very much in the Milosevic camp, but there are very few camps that are good to be in. If you are in one of Molo.

[Dan]

Zovic's camps, first of all, those camps were food depots. And second of all, Alex is like, hey, man, he was a bad guy.

[Jordan]

Sure, guy, sure.

[Dan]

But all this stuff about him is also a lie, no?

[Alex Jones]

So Slovin Milajevic did a lot of bad things, but most of what you hear is a lie. Most of the official stories you hear is a fraud. Al Qaeda led by the super CIA officer, Osama bin Laden. This is Senate report. That's why Alphonse d', Amato, he thought he was doing his job, and they railroaded him out of there real fast. He put this report out. Al Qaeda, starting in 1997, began rocket attacks, attacks on schools. The good old CIA favorite of blowing up school buses. And then when Slobo ordered troops into the south, into Kosovo, they went down there and they said, we want the Muslims to stay. You're welcome to stay, live in peace. We're just gonna.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound true.

[Alex Jones]

Kick out the paramilitary forces, the kla, which was openly CIA funded.

[Dan]

So the kla, or the Kosovo Liberation army, is an entire different piece of this history. They were an Albanian separatist group that had wanted to be independent from Yugoslavia and then Serbia after Yugoslavia broke up. This has to do with the Kosovo war that went from 1998 to 1999, which also involved Slobodan Milosevic, but is different than the Bosnian war, which was the situation that led to that Time magazine cover that Alex was complaining about in the last clip.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

This was a war that was taking place within Serbia, since Kosovo is a territory that was then in Serbia. So Alex can make an argument that Milosevic's atrocities against the KLA and the Albanian population in Serbia is a justified measure meant to keep the country together. Sure, he'd be wrong, but at least Milosevic was technically the head of Serbia with the Bosnia stuff. That was a neighboring country, and it was before Kosovo. So if Alex wants to play this game, he needs a better timeline. And this is a mess.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I.

[Jordan]

Of this. I know very little of this chunk of history in this region of what I do know. It has been like, the only. Learning what I have known only makes it clear that if I wanted to learn the story, I would have to spend the rest of my life trying to learn the story. Do you know what I mean? Like, trying to say I'm an expert on this situation is a terrible idea.

[Dan]

Yeah. And don't. Please don't get the impression that I'm saying I know everything about it either.

[Jordan]

No, no, no.

[Dan]

I know enough to know that Alex is missing a lot of it.

[Jordan]

Here are two things I know. One, if you're familiar enough with Slowdown to call him Slowbo, we got a problem.

[Dan]

You know what, though? I like it.

[Jordan]

I love it. I love Slow Mo. Slow Mo. I love Slow Mo.

[Dan]

In the same way that, like, Bloggo is good for.

[Jordan]

Exactly. I think.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I think Slowbo would get you killed, though. At the height of. At the height of Slowbow's power, I think Slowbo is getting you dead.

[Dan]

If you're a serious and corrupt politician, it's great to have a nickname that ends in O.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

Especially boring. It ends in something. Bo.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Dan]

Blago. Slow bow.

[Jordan]

I kick Slowbow. That's such a great. And then two, I feel like we're getting foreshadowing of a very strong preference for single guys who go on murder sprees.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. In particular ways.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So anyway, the real issue here is that Slowbo wasn't playing ball with the globalists.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Alex Jones]

So it's just the same thing over and over and over again. He had a sovereign nation. I don't agree with his politics, don't agree with his views, don't agree with a lot of things. And he was not playing ball with the globalists. And he wouldn't let the new world order banking system take over. Just like, what's happening in Venezuela right now. And so in 2000, they staged a CIA coup and overthrew and then killed and assassinated and arrested most of his former ministers. And they've broken the country up. And the place has been bombed with du. And the birth defects are almost quadrupled. Our troops have tripled, but they're not ever in country as long. They've tripled from the first Cold War. But there's a right at a quadrupling. Go look at the official numbers. Just type in birth defect increases in Belgrade, it's capital. And so they've been through living hell. And so he kept testifying, he kept bringing out the documents and the witnesses of how Al Qaeda, CIA. And it was all admitted and. And there was nothing they could do. And he exposed all of this and so they murdered him.

[Dan]

No, that's not the. That's. That's.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound like what happened.

[Dan]

No, no, it's. It's very strange because, like, there's an admit. Admittance in some way that like he did some horrible shit. Right. I mean, Alex can't deny that it's papered over with.

[Jordan]

We disagree on politics, which is. That's a big. We disagree on politics.

[Dan]

I don't see eye to eye with him on everything.

[Jordan]

I mean, a lot of people don't have eyes anymore because of him. So there we go.

[Dan]

But yeah, that's the thing, is it's fundamentally a pro slowbo position.

[Jordan]

It is 100%. It's a slow pro position. Yeah. Yes.

[Dan]

He's saying that the only reason anyone cares is because he wouldn't play ball with the globalists.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And that makes him an anti globalist hero.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yep.

[Dan]

He's just like, oh, yeah, he's revealing that the KLA is run by the CIA, which is all the globalists. But like that. That was in 97. Yep. What about before that? People have problems with this stuff that was going on before that.

[Jordan]

I mean, you're bringing up the past, you know, why dredge up the past whenever we need to be moving forward? Sure.

[Dan]

I think that Alex, he thinks he knows the past.

[Jordan]

I think he does. I mean, he's.

[Dan]

I.

[Jordan]

You don't have to die on every hill, you know, like some hills you can just go like. But you can have that hill.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

You know, if the globalists really, really wanted Serbia, Listen, I'm sorry to the Serbian people who are going to suffer for it, but, you know, they can get rid of Milosevic.

[Dan]

And if they wanted to kill him, there'd been so Much time. So many the four years prior that he was on trial and shit, if there's no reason for it.

[Jordan]

If you're gonna kill somebody, you kill him while you move him. And they've moved him, like, 30 times.

[Dan]

It would be very easy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So Alex is very, like. I can't describe it as any other thing. Like, he's just pro Milosevic, and they.

[Alex Jones]

Murdered him in five years. Four and a half years of the TR trial in their custody for five years. They couldn't convict him. They kept bringing in new judges because he was innocent. He was innocent of what they claimed he was the lesser of.

[Jordan]

But was that what he was innocent of?

[Alex Jones]

But he was a sovereign leader trying to defend his people. And for that, he was kidnapped and murdered, and his country radiated. And now the south has been given to al CIA. And they're running that heroin right through Afghanistan, right through Iran, right into there today. And it's all admitted.

[Dan]

So this is an insane position for Alex to have. It is true that there was a replacement judge during the trial, but that isn't because the first one couldn't get the frame job done. He retired due to ill Health in February 2004 and then died in June because he had a brain tumor.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Dan]

I suspect that this is all a case where Alex identifies with the Serb population because he sees them as the most white and because they're Orthodox, which is something that we've seen him show a lot of support for in more recent times when talking about Russia.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

For Alex, ethnic cleansing is a legitimate means of trying to defend a country if the circumstances are right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Him yelling about how, like, Milosevic is innocent of what he's been. Yeah, buddy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is. It is really interesting in the context, like, looking back. You know, there's so many times we look back and we're, like, seeing. This would never be compatible with what he's saying today. But this is very clearly like, oh, yeah, this is the guy. This is the guy we're talking about today. This guy right here being like, what's the little ethnic cleansing between friends? Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

He just. He puts on a much different face in 2006 around it than he does now.

[Jordan]

And it's. It is wild to think that, like, when you're listening to this in 2006, you're listening to it going, like, what a crazy take from this wild guy. And not going like, if I stop and think about what he's saying, it is that ethnic cleansing is a defense.

[Dan]

Well, if you have to Defend your population.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Your people.

[Jordan]

That's. That's. No. No good.

[Dan]

So it makes this particularly insane, is that later in his career, Alex would begin interviewing Dr. Francis Boyle as an expert on bioweapons. And a large part of his credibility was based on his involvement in the prosecution of Milosevic. If you go back and read interviews Boyle did, he was real clear, quote, it was Milosevic exploiting nationalism and ethnicity and religion to accomplish his objective of Greater Serbia. Just like Hitler wanted Lebenstrom to the East, Milosevic wanted Lebenstrom to the West. He was using all that and exploiting it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One concern that I'm getting when I listen back to this, and I think it's pretty easy to put this in its proper place.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

With what you were saying of like, this is the guy.

[Jordan]

This is the guy.

[Dan]

But one thing I'm concerned about is that I don't know if he knows the difference between Bosnia and Kosovo. He seems to be conflating those situations with the. Talking about the Time magazine cover, talking about the kla. I think it's all one jumbled mess to him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I suppose when you say, like, I don't. He doesn't know which is which. I imagine if you asked him to draw on a map what either what any of it looked like or even like just a. Just a couple of circles for relative size or relative population or like who's where or where from. He had have. He would have no idea about any of it.

[Dan]

He might have in 2006.

[Jordan]

That's possible.

[Dan]

I feel like the news sources that he was pulling from often had more graphics. They had graphics in the newspaper.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're right.

[Dan]

Helpful as opposed to now. Right. Shit and memes. Doesn't really help you.

[Jordan]

Doesn't. Doesn't it. It doesn't even have geography. The memes.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I thought, holy shit. First of all, Miloevich is dead.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Second of all, Alex is coming in with this hot take and I thought, well, the rest of the show is gonna probably involve that. And it doesn't really.

[Jordan]

I mean, what a wild world.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

What a wild world.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

People just believe weird shit.

[Dan]

He doesn't spend that much time, all in all, talking about it. Case closed. He was poisoned. It was murder. The globalists did it. And he just takes some calls.

[Caller]

Did you read Saturday's edition of the UN American Snakesman?

[Alex Jones]

No, I didn't.

[Caller]

Okay. There's a very interesting article in there. Anti Bush sermon sparks mixed reaction among congregation. The Unitary Minister, Davidson lohr of the First Unitarian Universalist Church gave a sermon on Sunday, September 12th. And in the sermon, he said that the Bush administration orchestrated the September 11 attacks to fulfill its plan to establish a new world order.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, I. I have a friend who, who knows the. The pastor of that church, and I know for a fact that he has been given my videos. I'm not tooting our own horn. It just shows what giving somebody videos did. And I'm not tributing all, you know, all of, you know, all of it to us, but I didn't see that article, but I knew that he had been giving speeches to that effect and saying, we're about to go into martial law. And then a minority of his. Of his flock did not like it.

[Dan]

So it's unsurprising that Alex is taking credit for waking up this pastor. Yeah, you know, he hears a story and he's like, you know what that I did.

[Jordan]

That's totally me. That's obviously me. I don't know what you're talking about, but it was me.

[Dan]

This story is about a guy named Davidson Lore who was a pastor at a Unitarian Universalist church. One day he read the book Confessions of an Economic Hitman and he decided he was sick of the bullshit and delivered a sermon that was mostly about economic policies carried out by world powers against developing countries.

[Jordan]

Hell yeah.

[Dan]

The text of the sermon is available on the church's website. But when I read it, I was surprised that there wasn't any talk about 911 when I got to the end. I did notice this when I originally delivered this sermon on 12 February 2006, I had added a section on 911 expressing my belief that agencies of our own government had orchestrated the attacks of 9 11. But that suggestion was and is so shocking, so repulsive that it would take a very convincing exposition to make it at all persuasive. And I didn't do that. It was a sloppy and slapdash addition that I shouldn't have tacked on, as several members of my church were quick to point out. During the next two weeks, I removed that section and rewrote it pretty much from scratch, creating a standalone essay. Yeah, that essay, however, is not a sermon not about religion, and I am not comfortable having it on our church's website. So, yeah, that's an interesting footnote.

[Jordan]

That is. That is a big footnote. Yeah, that's more of a regular note that deserves its own note. You don't need to be the foot of anything.

[Dan]

I think I'm going to start to lose a little bit of confidence in my pastor. Yeah. If he's like, yeah, that whole sermon that I did, about 9 11, it was rushed.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It was sloppy. It was offensive and not religious. But I did do it. I did deliver that. That. I mean, I'm willing to deliver a sermon that is slopp.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There's something to be said about just flat out honesty. I'll give them that. I mean, the bar is low, but a lot of people would just try and scrub it from the world.

[Dan]

God would tip the cap. Exactly.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I imagine, however, that my take on that moving forward would be this guy is he's got it in the pocket. You know what I mean? Like, at any point in time he might just pull out 911 from the pocket.

[Dan]

I think, I think my take on it would be from now on, this guy as an editor, I. His sermons are going to get a once over before he gets up there.

[Jordan]

That would be a wise move because.

[Dan]

This shooting from the hip, no good. Yeah. It leads to these kinds of footnotes.

[Jordan]

No good.

[Dan]

But it does seem like Davidson realized that what he was doing was inappropriate. Yeah. He says that the original text of his speech is available on another website, but it doesn't link to it. And the old. The site itself is an old message board that's no longer online. Yeah. So I was poking around and I couldn't find the original speech.

[Jordan]

All right. All right. He did it. He made it. He got past it. Good for him. The Internet's tough.

[Dan]

I think there's some indications that I have found that. I think that he, he, he got sick with the woke stuff. The Unitarian Universalist preacher got tired of the woke stuff. What a supporting Trump in 2024.

[Jordan]

So, I mean, listen, if Unitarianism can get you to Trump, you're fucked. You're fucked. That's just that everybody should just reevaluate their relationship with Christianity. If even a Unitarian pastor will be like, sooner or later, God's gonna want me to do this.

[Dan]

Yeah. Maybe you didn't mean some of that stuff you were saying before.

[Jordan]

Ye.

[Dan]

So Alex has a guest in the second hour.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it is dull. Yeah, it is. Big Jim Tucker from the American Free Press, because Bilderberg is coming up. Sure. And so Alex is trying to start the Bilderberg season, but unfortunately they don't really know anything.

[Alex Jones]

Jim, I know that you don't have any feelers or the lines you've got out there haven't gotten triggered on exactly where Bilderberg is going to be this year, but give us Any ideas you've got. And then for those that don't know why is Bilderberg important and kind of tell us what their agenda is and what they're up to. Well, we haven't located them yet. And sometimes it gets to be very brinksmanship. And I stayed nervous as a strumpet.

[Caller]

In church till we do nail them.

[Dan]

So Bilderberg was in Ottawa in 2006, and if Jim had just waited a little while, he could have read announcements about it in the paper. I understand that part of the game here is pretending that this is a secret meeting that they try to pull off without the Nazi press knowing where they're gonna be, but that's a little bit silly. Interestingly, this year this is the one where it's in Canada and Alex ends up going to bullhorn the rich people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And he gets stopped at the border and detained because he has too much pornography.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

And then that ended up in Endgame. So, yeah, this is.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Dan]

At this point, though, they know nothing.

[Jordan]

What a while. You know, sometimes people can just move on from stuff when it's like, man, this dude said that Slobodan Milosevic was pretty much okay, and then we're just going to be like, ah, Bilderberg. Scary. What are you talking about?

[Dan]

Right, right.

[Jordan]

How are you against.

[Dan]

Oh, man, Bilderberg eviler than you can possibly imagine.

[Jordan]

Totally.

[Dan]

Slowbo got a bad rap.

[Jordan]

I think they can both be evil. I think you can. I don't think you need to take sides.

[Dan]

They can both have negative effects.

[Jordan]

Yes, for sure. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And losing sight of that is a little bit str. You don't have to be so contrarian that you're, like, trying to rehab the image of Slobodan Milosevic, because he also doesn't like the world order that you oppose. Yeah, that's. You don't have to do that.

[Jordan]

You know, I was thinking about that and it is. It is that kind of like there is a place in our society that we've allowed for somebody to imagine themselves to be like, strictly intellectually talking about this. There are reasons to defend Slobodan Milos, that kind of thing, and there really aren't. Well, I think there really aren't.

[Dan]

I think that there's one you could come up with that Alex should use.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And that is just a flat out rejection of international law. Sure. The idea that the Hague and international courts have any jurisdiction. Yeah. That I could see him making that argument. But defending Milosevic based on like, his actions weren't that bad or he had the right to do it. You just are getting yourself in a position where there's nothing you should be offended by anybody doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, totally. No, like, you can be against the Iraq War, but also, whenever they grabbed fucking Saddam, you're like, hey, man, you did what you did, buddy. That's on you. You know, like, there are two things.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah, It's. I don't think he. I don't think he can handle that. That kind of ambiguity.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex gets another call, and it's from fella who's in college. And he doesn't like college because they don't like infowars.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Alex Jones]

Ian in New York, thanks for holding. Welcome.

[Caller]

How you doing, Alex?

[Alex Jones]

Good, sir.

[Caller]

Yeah, I go to college and I take a international relations class, and I take a Western civilization class. And, you know, I've been listening for a couple years and researching this stuff and, like, special. My international relations class, like, I stop sometimes to correct them on certain things and ask, you know, just like, last guest about the Bilderbergs and stuff. And, like, all sudden he stops. He's like, you ought to stop for the conspiracies and all that. I'm like, wait a second, it's not a conspiracy here.

[Alex Jones]

And, like, yeah, you go. There's an elite running things. I mean, people at least 5,000 years ago who were under a corrupt elite knew it was the elite, their masters at saying, no, there's no elite. There's no world government as they're setting it up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Caller]

And, you know, I'm paying good money for my education. And here they're, like, not telling me.

[Alex Jones]

You're paying to be taught a false paradigm. Yeah, I believe in college for engineering or mathematics or scientific things you're gonna need. I mean, that's really a true science. But so much of the stuff you're gonna learn, you know, going to their schools of economics or going to international affairs schools, it's just teaching you the mindset to go be a cog and a fraud.

[Jordan]

Nice, nice. Yeah.

[Caller]

That's what I want to mention to you. But keep up the good work, and I look forward to what you're going to come up with next.

[Dan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

I appreciate your call, sir. And I can tell you're frustrated. I'm not saying it's a waste of time. You're going to school. You'll learn how the enemy brainwashes people, and you'll pick up a lot while you're there. But, yeah, you bring Anything up? Hey, the government wants to something bad. Shut up. It doesn't exist. Government is pure as the driven snow and godlike. Government created the solar system. Government created the sun. Government breathed life into Adam. Government. Government. Government.

[Dan]

Day one.

[Alex Jones]

Government.

[Dan]

So it's weird how Alex is so against the idea that colleges teach people that the government created the solar system and all that. Because that's not true. Colleges don't teach you that.

[Jordan]

They don't.

[Dan]

But in Alex's ideal state, the schools would be teaching students that God did all that.

[Jordan]

Yes, that is true.

[Dan]

So I think that he believes colleges teach you that the government is God. Right. And that's not true. But he wants to teach you that his God is God, right? Huh?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Fucked up.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I remember being told when I was growing up that if you go to colleges, that's where they teach you all the bad things.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

That's where they teach you all the stuff that is actually what God does. And that's why if you're a woman who comes home from college, you have clearly been corrupted by the devil.

[Dan]

Sure. Everybody knows you got some ideas.

[Jordan]

Oh, having ideas is no good.

[Dan]

Yeah, no good. What Alex is talking about here, it's just a transparently dumb view of higher education, but it's also one that's completely at odds with Alex's more recent take on college. Apparently, here in 2006, the schools are there to brainwash you into thinking that the government's never done anything wrong. But now they're brainwashing centers to make you hate America and think our government has always been evil. So what's up?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I wonder who switched that? When. When did the curriculum change? And who taught them to change the curriculum?

[Dan]

Must have been Obama. Right? I mean, we're in 2006, right? Right. It had to have been Obama.

[Jordan]

Right? Right, Right.

[Dan]

Michelle was trying to change the school lunches.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And as part of that, they flipped the government stuff.

[Jordan]

All right, man, you can just change curriculum that fast without anybody knowing. Or you can change your lies. Yeah, those are both possible.

[Dan]

I could talk about this all day, but the basic gist of all this boils down to the truth. That more widely available higher quality education threatens the existence of the extreme right wing as a valid political party and would severely cut into the audience base that Alex's advertisers depend on. Education will always be evil to them, and you should always do your own research. But the context and why and what they're doing is always a game. It doesn't matter.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And honestly, like There are bad teachers who are not engaged and just want to go through the material and you might run into a bad teacher. But most teachers, if you are like, hey, I have a different idea about international relations. Yeah. They will challenge you to try and prove your point. It's not, it's not a situation where like, hey, you're stupid. You're bringing this dumb shit in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It'll be like, okay, you have this idea now. Hit the books, come up with a paper that shows that the globalists run everything. Yeah. You know, work on it, Figure it out. Change my mind?

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I mean it is, it is impossible to. What? If you've been around it long enough, you'll know that reading comprehension is kryptonite to far right belief systems and the fundament of them existing is a lack of it, Not a lack of it. A. A like twisting of it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like you can have reading comprehension, but here's how it has been turned into something that actively works against you to comprehend it correctly is then turned into you being like, haha, now that I've understood it, what does it really say? Yeah, there's no way to get around that.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because I can imagine in this international relations class, the guy is given a lecture, teacher's given a lecture, and this guy's like, what about group? Yeah. And the teacher accurately assesses, oh, this is signaling to some kind of a conspiracy belief. Yeah. So let's not talk about this in class or whatever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And then that response is interpreted by this guy as him saying that the Bilderberg Group existing is a conspiracy as opposed to like. No, you just believe a lot of dumb stuff that Alex has yelled about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I, I think that if you're in this class and the teacher is saying, hey, this is conspiracy shit, you should be inspired to be like, I'm gonna write the best paper fucking ever. Sure. I'm gonna show you all this stuff. And then the teacher will probably fail you because you've cited Paul Joseph Watson.

[Jordan]

Totally. No, I mean the best stuff that humanity has created, I would say at least 30% of it was created just because some asshole was saying was talking shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yep.

[Jordan]

That's like somebody talked shit and then was like, well, you know what? I guess I'm gonna have to go change the world. Fuck you.

[Dan]

And you know what? That I think gets to a point of why I think I'm really offended by Alex and Infowars. It is a perversion and distortion of contrarianism.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like there is a really Healthy contrarian impulse that has led us to so many great innovations.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

But it also, like when it's just kind of knee jerk and it's just. Yeah, Milosevic is good, actually.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, that kind of stuff is. This is just.

[Jordan]

It's.

[Dan]

It's. You're. You're in a bog.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're just getting weighed down by all this mud of contrariness.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's not productive.

[Jordan]

Yeah. There's a Venn diagram that Alex exploits is like, what looks like contrarianism can also be just at being an asshole. You know? But if you're. If you have such a. If you have good enough optics, you can conceal that you're just an asshole and make it look like you're a contrarian.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's that. It's the. You know that expression, a healthy distrust. Sure. The healthy part of it is so important.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

You can't just have a distrust and a.

[Jordan]

No, nothing works if it's just distrust.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like the whole thing doesn't work.

[Dan]

And that's a lot of what he embodies. There's no health to it. There's no death to it. So, anyway, he has a guest on in the third hour, and I got nothing to say about this other than I think the name of his organization is Funny.

[Alex Jones]

I want to go to our guest who's with Repent America, and he does great work. I am against abortion. So many liberals out there think that because I'm anti Bush that I. That I follow other tenets of the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party's for the war. They're for the new world order. They're bought and paid for. And people think it's a tenet or a sacrament of being a progressive or a liberal to be for abortion. And it's because you never had children or you've been involved in abortion and you can't admit to yourself what you've done. And it is murder, and it is horrible. And if you've done it, you can be forgiven. Okay. You can forgive yourself. God can forgive you. But hardening your heart and doing this is horrible.

[Dan]

So we know that Alex has had a bunch of abortions. Yeah. That he has been involved in. So he's done a lot of murders.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And God's forgiven him, and that's great.

[Jordan]

Totally fine.

[Dan]

But if you just killed someone, like, if I walked out on the street and I killed someone and then I repented and God forgave me, I would still be in fucking trouble.

[Jordan]

Yes. It does seem like There are very obvious differences between the two situations. Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex seems to have avoided any of the. Any of the real consequences that he wants to attach to the idea that this is murder.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because his pretend absolution is possible just like that, very easily.

[Jordan]

Yes. If you find it difficult to take responsibility for your actions in the real world, consider this. Make up your own world where taking responsibility for your actions actually costs you nothing.

[Dan]

Right. Yeah. And you can do that and then blame everybody else.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

You know, like, you could say they should be in jail.

[Jordan]

That is. It should be like, okay, if you go to get a small business loan and you have, like, a plan for your business, and it's just an explanation of how Alex's career works, they'd be like, yeah, I guess that is probably pretty profitable, isn't it? Blaming everybody else seems like a very profitable proposition.

[Dan]

Yeah. Also, I would say that I do not support reproductive health care and access to it because it's a tenet of progressivism or the Democratic Party. Yeah. I believe that it is a piece of offering greater freedom to more people, and to withhold it as an option for people is restrictive in a very serious way that disproportionately affects a certain group in society.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

And so to me, it has nothing to do with left or right or Democrat or Republican. It's. It's a tenet and pillar of freedom.

[Jordan]

Ostensibly, the idea is that the party is a reflection of the things I believe, not the other way around.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so anybody thinking like, oh, Alex doesn't like Bush, so he must also be in favor of abortion.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, that's silly to me.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's a. It's. It is. It is like, one of those things where it does feel like you're revealing your inability to view things by assuming other people view it like that. Like, I assume people are a lot smarter than people behave. Like, there's. There's plenty of different situations where you should assume that people are being very smart. And if you're assuming, like, nobody else understands how party politics work, then you're an asshole.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. But, hey, Repent America. That's a cool repent.

[Jordan]

I love America.

[Dan]

I love that. This. He had this caller who's like, man, school is no good. They don't like my bringing up infowars in a foreign relations class. All right, we're talking to the guy from Repent America. Like, all right, just. Just stop. Just stop pretending.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is crazy. He. How long he got away with it is like it does. It does feel like when we go back to the past, there has to have been a lot more willful looking away from what he was doing.

[Dan]

I think there was a desperation on a lot of protest movements and anti war crowds. I think there was a desperation to believe that someone who was right wing coded was on their side. And I think that a lot of people looked. It's what you're saying. It's a willful looking the other way about some pretty clear signs of like, this guy is not on the level. This guy, he sucks.

[Jordan]

I can't be. I can't imagine being at some sort of like, hey, we're going to get our platform together. Here's our lefty politics. We've got this guy. We got this guy. This guy still likes Slobodan Milosevic. So I guess we're allowing him in here, but. Sure.

[Dan]

But the thing is, I don't think he can maintain that. Like, Slobodan's not that bad position. No. Like, I think he has to give that up pretty quick because it's not something I associate with later. Infowars.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

I believe I've heard him talk about Milosevic before in negative ways. Yeah. So this seems to be like an instinctual desire to create a conspiracy and a murder.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That he's going to have to give up on.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is. It does feel. Yeah. Instinctual is just the right word for it. It feels like this is what he would do if nobody else was around. He'd be like slow. But it's fine. Just. Just out of nowhere. Okay. Okay, man.

[Dan]

Yeah. And so there is a part of me that is interested in continuing this thread through 2006.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To see like, does he have to give this up quick?

[Jordan]

Is this our new. Our new investigation is the slow mo Watch.

[Dan]

I'm kind of curious about that. So I may stick around in the past for some of that, but I will get back to the present also.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But yeah, I was. I was shocked. I'd forgotten that this was the random date that you picked was only a couple days before Milosevic.

[Jordan]

Wild. How are Saddam's kids doing? Are they still. Are they still.

[Dan]

They never existed. They were wax dummies, I believe.

[Jordan]

I feel like I would remember if I ever had a position as crazy as. Listen, I disagree with Slowbo.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we'll check in on that and Alex's more present takes on the Epstein stuff and all that. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledge Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

[Dan]

Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex.

[Caller]

I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

[Jordan]

I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.