#1124: March 8, 2026

Summary

Knowledge Fight — Episode #1124: March 8, 2026

Episode Date: March 13, 2026

Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dive into Alex Jones’s coverage from March 8, 2026, as Jones attempts to process and rationalize Donald Trump’s abrupt and catastrophic assault on Iran. The hosts dissect Alex's increasingly strained logic as he tries to reconcile his fervent pro-Trump past with his growing discomfort regarding Trump’s dictatorial actions, particularly the new war. Dan and Jordan also explore Jones’s surreal attempts to rebrand familiar conspiratorial lexicon like "New World Order" to suit the current political climate, pivoting to offbeat digressions on Survivor, baseball, and rural American stereotypes. The show is marked by sharp satire, exasperation, and darkly comedic incredulity.

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Opening Banter & Bright Spots (00:59–05:28)

Survivor & Acapella Rap

• Dan’s Bright Spot: Laments the latest episode of Survivor Season 50 featuring a “boom off script” acapella rap by Jeff Probst, hilariously likening it to a fever dream:
  • “I was watching it and I literally thought I was hallucinating.” — Dan [03:09]
• Jordan: Disbelief at the idea, “No, that’s not possible.”
• Jordan’s Bright Spot: Mixed feelings over Team USA nearly fumbling their baseball group stage due to overconfidence, making it out only thanks to Italy defeating Mexico.
  • “They almost were the victims of one of the great hubris of all time … would have been amazing [if they’d lost].”—Jordan [04:33]

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Setting Context: Trump’s Iran War and Alex Jones’s Crisis (05:28–14:28)

• Dan and Jordan catch listeners up: Trump has started a war with Iran against intelligence and military advice—a situation Alex Jones now finds impossible to defend without contradicting his own apocalyptic worldview.

Notable Quote:

“Alex is now saying that Trump is a megalomaniac ... it's gotten so bad that the alleged good guys in the government are having to leak embarrassing stuff to try to get Trump to chill out.” — Dan [09:39]

Key Point:

• Alex is cornered. He can’t admit Trump is as bad as the “globalists” without undermining years of prophecy-laden support. He dances between halfhearted criticism and refusal to break faith.

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Alex Tries to Spin Trump’s Iran War (15:36–20:26)

• Jones reluctantly details the horror of Trump threatening/attacking Iran’s population centers:

  “...they just blew up most of the oil refineries... they're obliterating their oil and gas infrastructure...this is only going to make the moolahs long-term war secure in their power... bring [the people] into basic starvation.” — Alex Jones [14:36]

• Dan & Jordan call out the contradiction: Alex describes “diabolical” acts but still won’t renounce Trump.

  “You’re describing it as a deal breaker. The word diabolical is satanic in origin.” — Jordan [16:34]

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Double Standards: The “Prophetic” Trap (20:26–21:47)

• Dan highlights that Alex can’t acknowledge Trump’s crimes without repudiating years of fantastical claims that Trump is “herald of God”:

  “The clarity stands in stark contrast to the ambiguity that he needs to present with Trump... Can’t have been wrong because that means God was wrong.”—Dan [11:22]

• Jordan: The only options now are to either admit you were wrong about God/Trump, pretend God wants war, or become nihilistic. [13:36]

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Celebrity Diversion & Right-Wing Infighting (22:10–24:31)

• Alex fixates on a brief Twitter exchange with James Woods, hailing him as a model of good conservative politics, glossing over Woods’ notorious personal scandals.
  • “Great guy with great politics.” —Dan [23:37]
  • Satire: “He was Hades in Hercules, so, you know, he’s got that going for him.”—Jordan [23:41]

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Rewriting Conspiracy Lore: The “New World Order” Pivot (24:35–30:16)

The J.D. Vance Dilemma

• JD Vance uses the phrase “New World Order” in a mainstream interview; Alex immediately rushes to exonerate him, redefining the NWO as a value-neutral term for any power shift.

  “We want one with nation states … to dismantle the corporate World Economic Forum UN system.”—Alex Jones [25:28]

• Dan breaks down the double standard: for decades, “New World Order” was proof of satanic conspiracy, but now it’s just “post-WWII arrangements.”

  “He comes from a tradition where the words New World Order mean something very specific as a compound noun.”—Dan [26:20]

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Metaphor Meltdown: Trump as a “Coat of Paint” on Old Tyranny (31:01–34:42)

• Alex compares Trump’s presidency to a coat of paint on the NWO, suggesting Trump was supposed to dismantle the system but may just be repackaging it for his own gain.

  “With Trump, it’s more of a country ride, leisurely ride … to hell right there in three hours.”—Alex Jones [32:05]

• Dan emphasizes: Alex himself did the “painting” (selling Trump as savior), so ultimately, he’s complicit.

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Trump’s Broken Promises: The Neocon Flip (34:45–40:00)

• Alex admits Trump “lied about intentions” (“compilations” of Trump saying he’d never attack Iran exist) and is becoming a “neocon.”

  “He’s, he’s done a good job. It’s been harder than he thought ... but he is becoming neoconish”—Alex Jones [18:45]

• Dan: Alex presented two Trumps—God’s Chosen and easily-manipulated moron. But neither is real; both are fabrications for audience management. [20:01]

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“Lesser Evil” Cop-Outs and Reality Checks (41:10–44:05)

• Alex claims Trump voters “just wanted him to stop WW3,” but this is now proven hollow.

  “Number one thing people told me... he will stop World War III. He won’t go to war with Iran, he’ll stop the war with Russia... It was not about the economy. That was second.”—Alex Jones [40:04]

• Dan: Alex argues endlessly, but will never actually turn on Trump as long as Dems exist—creating endless rationalization loops.

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The Constitution: Conditional for “Our Side” (44:36–49:17)

• Alex edges up to admitting Trump’s Iran policy is unconstitutional, but hedges furiously.

  “This is the first time I can with concern say, yes, you can do this constitutionally, Trump, but it could go bad, but who knows? We’ll see...”—Alex Jones [45:04]

• Dan: “He refuses to just say [Trump’s unconstitutional], because he knows he’d have to act differently. ...If following [the Constitution] means your side loses power, the rules don’t really apply.” [47:48]

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Nuclear Fire: “Monkey With a Flamethrower” (49:29–54:22)

• Alex whips into an apocalyptic metaphor about nuclear war, likening Trump to “a monkey with a flamethrower running around a fireworks factory.”

  “And then they’re having discussions of hitting Iran with nuclear weapons... That has a very good chance of dragging in Russia and China and North Korea. Heaven help us, people, can you not feel the danger?” —Alex Jones [49:29]

• Dan: “The only media Alex even takes in is from social media.” [63:04]

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“Jared Kushner: The Antichrist?”—Conspiratorial Diversions (99:14–104:15)

• Pivoting from geopolitics, Alex floats the popular TikTok meme that Jared Kushner is the Antichrist:

  “I’m not saying he’s the Antichrist, but if you’re one of the Antichrist top demons, though, you start building the nest for Daddy to land. Definitely getting ready for some evil stuff down the road.”—Alex Jones [99:56]

  • Dan & Jordan ridicule the narrative as “demon talk” and note its anti-Semitic undertones.
  • Alex relies on a TikTok video as his main “source,” prompting further parody from the hosts.

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Audience Blaming and the Rural Straw Man (89:40–98:58)

• Alex lashes out at “country folks” for political apathy, blaming them for not stopping Trump’s worst excesses:

  “Those people are the real problem because there’s more of you than there are the scumbags. But you won’t come out of your shell … and because you won’t get engaged, we’re in deep shit.” —Alex Jones [94:20]

• Dan: “Somehow Trump starting a war with Iran is the people in rural areas’ fault because they didn’t vote enough and they want to enjoy their life? … This is abusive even by Infowars standards.” [95:57]

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Self-Pity and Irrelevance Fears (121:51–123:12)

• Alex ends with desperate pleas for Infowars’ survival and sales pitches, warning Infowars may vanish at any time.

  “There’s going to come a time very soon … tune in and Infowars won’t be there.” —Alex Jones [121:53]

• Dan & Jordan: “He’s become too sloppy. He’s run out of people to be mean to.”

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Trump’s Iran genocide threat:

  “Under serious consideration for complete destruction and certain death ... That’s Hitler.”—Jordan [57:12]

• On Alex’s core conundrum:

  “You can have buyer’s remorse ... but you can’t have seller’s remorse when that customer comes back demanding answers that you sold them a shitty product.”—Dan [34:58]

• On the “New World Order” word games:

  “This is gaslighting ... Alex took a shortcut to success [by] leading people to idiotic conclusions. And the price ... is he has to look fucking stupid trying to defend JD Vance.”—Dan [26:20]

• On rural blame:

  “This is like prosperity gospel shit ... If you didn’t get what you want, it’s because you didn’t want it enough.”—Jordan [97:17]

• On the end-times:

  “If any public policy decision or possible military action is predicated on trying to lure Jesus to return, the government might not be salvageable.”—Dan [114:18]

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Key Timestamps

• 00:59 – Show Intro, Survivor/Bright Spot discussion.
• 05:28 – Setting the context: Trump’s Iran war, Jones's dilemma.
• 09:39 – Alex’s conflicted rationale: Trump as megalomaniac.
• 15:36 – Alex details Iran attack, humanitarian horror.
• 24:46 – JD Vance’s “New World Order” and Jones’s shifting definitions.
• 34:00 – The “coat of paint” metaphor, self-incrimination for Jones.
• 40:04 – Alex outlines (and contradicts) Trump’s anti-war promise.
• 49:29 – Nuclear fire metaphors escalate.
• 99:14 – “Is Jared Kushner the Antichrist?” (Conspiratorial theater)
• 121:51 – Alex’s desperate survival pitch, fears of irrelevance.

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Recurring Themes & Tone

• Satirical exhaustion: Dan and Jordan’s tone laces biting cynicism with genuine exasperation, repeatedly mocking Alex’s self-inflicted logical traps and careening absurdity.
• Meta-deconstruction: The hosts frequently break the fourth wall, examining Alex’s rhetorical evolution—and retreat—as his worldview is threatened by current events.
• Dark gallows humor: Surreal, off-topic bits (from Jeff Probst rapping to X-Men and pro wrestling lore) are used to underscore just how absurd Jones’s broadcasts have become.
• Direct callouts: Nods to gaslighting, shifting narratives, and the futility of making sense of Jones’s logic as his “prophecies” unravel.

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Final Thoughts

• Alex Jones is at a breaking point, unable to resolve his prophetic fealty to Trump with the real-world consequences of Trump’s actions.
• Despite his obvious discomfort, Alex can’t (or won’t) do the necessary soul-searching, instead relying on recycled boogeymen, conspiratorial tweaks, and audience-bashing.
• Dan and Jordan see this moment as the natural, humiliating endpoint for years of magical thinking—where there is no possible way to gracefully walk back a decade of grandiose bluster.

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For in-depth satire, dissection, and evidence that reality truly is stranger than fiction, this episode is both a case study and a cautionary tale for conspiracy media as the world changes faster than their narratives can pivot.

Transcript

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert. Knowledge fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgebodies.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Need. Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy and Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Dan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a fisherman.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan, Quick question for you. What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, last month I would be letting

[Jordan]

you go, but February is my month to start.

[Dan]

March, traditions.

[Jordan]

March is yours.

[Dan]

I will tell you about my bright spot and it's a bit of a correction.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

From last time.

[Jordan]

Now you're back. Wait, which direction are we on Survivor?

[Dan]

I think I was a little too positive.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right. Now we're back the other direction.

[Dan]

Well, no, I think the last time I was also a little too positive.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Without giving too many spoilers about last night's episode of Survivor season 50. They keep talking about this boomerang idol to the point where I'm sick and tired of it. Yeah. And Jeff Probst raps.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

No, I refuse that.

[Dan]

They show up for a tribe swap and Jeff Probst does a acapella rap.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

And no one asked for this.

[Jordan]

No, that's not possible.

[Dan]

I can't imagine. You know, it's like, okay, this season is in the hands of the fans.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Fans all voted for everything.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Did they vote on that rap?

[Dan]

They better not have. That's. Don't blame me for that.

[Jordan]

Do you think the producers knew about the rap or do you think Probst went boom off script? I've got this. I've got this MC album that I'm looking to drop. Right?

[Alex Jones]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Dan]

This wasn't ready for wax. This. You're not. You're not. You're not getting studio time with this. It was bad.

[Jordan]

What would he be? MC Survivor?

[Dan]

Yeah, sure. Who cares?

[Jordan]

MF Idol.

[Dan]

This guy. This fucking asshole. I've watched every season of Survivor I've not seen him rap.

[Jordan]

I can't believe that happened.

[Dan]

Yeah. I was scandalized.

[Jordan]

Nothing can happen on this season.

[Dan]

That's gonna be good now.

[Jordan]

No, that is. That is. That is honestly astonishing. Why? Why? There's never been a reason for an older white man to rap. Ever. Not one time.

[Dan]

I was watching it and I literally thought I was hallucinating.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. I had to pause it.

[Jordan]

This can't be happening.

[Dan]

Hold on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, I hope the season will get better because it can't get worse from that. But what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is it's a double spot. It's bright and a little bit dark. The USA advanced out of the group pool stage into the elimination rounds. Right. Which is good. That's a bright spot. But they almost didn't. They almost were the victims of one of the great hubris of all time, which is that they. They're the best. They're maybe the best collection of baseball talent that's ever been put together. And they were 3. 0 in the group round, and they thought they had wrapped it all up. Doesn't matter. This fourth game doesn't mean anything. They wind up losing to Italy 8 to 6. And afterwards they're talking to the manager and they're like, you guys know that if Mexico wins by less than four runs.

[Dan]

Oh, no, the run.

[Jordan]

You're. Then you're knocked out. Yeah.

[Dan]

Because they only won by, like, one.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep. So. So it was. It was literally Italy and Mexico and Italy could have maybe. I don't know how they would have managed to pull it off. They could have, like, thrown the game and lost by less than four, and then the United States would have been out of the entire tournament.

[Dan]

Wow.

[Jordan]

Wouldn't that have been great? That would have been amazing.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's. Those are the kind of moments that only. Only sports can give you.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. You overconfident fucks. You have it coming. Oh, man.

[Dan]

But they made it out.

[Jordan]

But they made it out. Italy. Italy just demolished Mexico. So they're going to probably win the whole thing now, but for a br.

[Dan]

Moment, do you think the Italians are going to.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. The. The. The. The US Is going to win. They're probably going to win the whole thing now. But they almost were out.

[Dan]

Did I or did I not picture the entire Italian team with curly mustaches?

[Jordan]

Curly mustaches? Yes, of course you did.

[Dan]

Oh, that'd be fun.

[Jordan]

I even pictured them in Field of Dreams uniforms.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. Puffy. Absolutely.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You know it well. I'M glad, you know, you're still having fun with the classic.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it would have been more fun if they got knocked out, but it was. It's. It's the greatest collection of baseball talent ever. Play.

[Dan]

Good times. Yeah. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over, which is the greatest collection of Alex being a dumb asshole.

[Jordan]

Don't know if that's true.

[Dan]

And we'll talk about it. Sucks. You know, we're still in the aftermath of Trump attacking Iran.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And Alex trying to make peace with us.

[Jordan]

Right. But not Iran.

[Dan]

No. Well, maybe.

[Jordan]

Maybe.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Dan]

Okay, so we'll. We'll get down to business on covering this here March 8, 2026 episode. But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, my New Year's resolution is to pay for my favorite content and stop being a freeloader. Come back to the X Ray Arcade, you cowards. Adam from Milwaukee. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

I figure the odds are we will be back there eventually.

[Jordan]

Maybe.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's close enough.

[Dan]

Next, Graham Hancock is my Alex Jones. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Big Mac got emotional when John Cena retired, but despises WWE and Triple H for being Trump's lapdogs. The duality of man. Thank you so much. You are now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocrat in mix Jordan. So thank you so much to Julian the Swiss carpenter. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

4 stars.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So I have been feeling like I want to go back to 2006. Yeah. I think in the present is a disaster.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But, you know, we had the excitement of the theoretical March 7th date coming up.

[Jordan]

Sure. That was exciting.

[Dan]

And then Alex having to deal with the blowback and audience disappointment of Trump attacking Iran.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I feel like we gotta. We gotta See how this plays out.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

It's, it's too exciting not to watch.

[Jordan]

I mean he, I assume he is not off the air.

[Dan]

No, March 8th, he's still on air.

[Jordan]

Still on air, yeah.

[Dan]

He also celebrated March 7 by having Stefan Molyneux on, on his show.

[Jordan]

What a world.

[Dan]

No, wait, that might have been the sixth. That was Friday. Finally had the white nationalist back.

[Jordan]

It's about time.

[Dan]

But he starts off this show on the 8th talking about Trump and how the intel community and a lot of the good guys inside Trump's administration had tried to tell him not to attack Iran. And he didn't listen.

[Alex Jones]

Ladies and gentlemen, it is Sunday, March 8, 2026. I am your host and your chronicler, Alex Jones, coming to you from deep and hard of the Texas Austin transmitting worldwide. All right, this war is going exactly the way I predicted it would. And by the way, well, from my own research and analysis, I've laid out exactly what's happening. And it turns out that there was a multi Intelligence agency report oversaw by Tulsi Gabbard delivered to Trump one week before that he requested that said you're not going to get regime change, 90 plus percent chance, doesn't matter how many moolahs you kill, they're just going to keep replacing them and they're going to block the straight of Hormuz. And then they just went through the different horrible scenarios. And that information has been purposely leaked by good people in the Pentagon who never leaked in the last year on Trump because they're being faithful. I mean a few mid level haven't they been fired and indicted. Now this is to try to get Trump to get out of the megalomania mode where he has been totally emboldened by success in Venezuela so far. He's looking to, you know, destabilize it's already stabilized and overthrow Cuba, which I won't cry if that happens. I mean, Trump basically thinks he's running the tables right now and Iran is a different animal than Iraq, Afghanistan, Venezuela, Cuba, you name it.

[Dan]

So just to keep track of where we're at, Alex is now saying that Trump is a megalomaniac who's attacking and overthrowing other countries against the advice of his own administration. And it's gotten so bad that the alleged good guys in the government are having to leak embarrassing stuff to try to get Trump to chill out.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I fail to see how this doesn't make Trump basically the worst president ever. Even by Alex's estimation, he's clearly acting dictatorially with no respect for the Constitution. And based on Alex's assessment from our last episode, he's literally gambling with our lives. There were a lot of fun conspiracies about what Obama or Clinton wanted to do with FEMA or encouraging volunteering in the community, but it feels like Alex should think what Trump is doing is worse. Obama and Clinton were Democrats, so there was never a chance Alex would ever side with them, which means we shouldn't look to his response to any of their actions to help contextualize what's going on now. However, the way things are playing out and the way Alex is telling the story of Trump attacking Iran makes for an almost perfect parallel to George W. Bush. And when you consider the picture from that angle, Alex's horrible reaction looks even worse. Bush lied about nine, eleven and various other things to go to war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Trump lied about wanting to take out the Iranian nuclear capabilities in order to start a regime change war where we have no idea how things are going to play out. There were leaked memos about how going into Iraq was a bad decision, and now there are leaked documents from the Trump administration about how going into Iran is a bad decision. Alex was very clear about how evil Bush was, and that clarity stands in stark contrast to the ambiguity that he needs to present with Trump. I hit on this again and again because it's a central issue that Alex is stuck in. He can't accept the true horror of how bad Trump is without admitting that he was wrong to endorse him and promote him as a transcendent leader. And he can't admit he was wrong about those things because God told him those things. Yep, even though Alex's career was deeply tied in with Ron and Rand Paul, it was sorta easy to cast them aside when he needed to because they were just the best options in a sea of bad politicians. They were mortal men who just loved the Constitution and had weird ideas about economics and suspicious ties to racists. Alex tied his support to the Pauls with the rational motivations, namely that they would be better elected officials than the Democratic alternative. Conversely, Alex sold Trump using wildly irrational motivations, like all the shit about a battle between good and evil and literal demons running wild on earth. God was giving him messages and warnings to pass along to Trump on the show, and the audience's only hope for salvation was Trump winning. Alex can't have been wrong because that means that God was wrong. But at the same time, Alex knows his audience has grown tired of blind faith and they aren't going to accept him getting on air and saying something like, trump works in mysterious ways. This is the pickle he's in where he has to sour on Trump somewhat or he'll lose his audience to other palatable voices who aren't afraid to say that the emperor has no clothes. But he can't sour too much without risking a bunch of people in his audience realizing that he blasphemed to them. Yeah, that sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was. I was actually. It's funny, I was actually thinking about this on the way over here is like, the number of people who tied together God with Trump and now to be where they are is like, there are only two ways to deal with that, and that's either to really humbly humble yourself and rethink just about everything, or to look at this in the face and say, this is what God wants. God does not want the Epstein files released. God does not want. This is the desire of God. What we are doing right now. God wants Trump to go to the war in Iran.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You have to do one or the other.

[Dan]

I think there's three options. There's the two that you've described, which is basically like, this is God's will. Or I have to reconsider all fucked up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or descending into just nihilism. Sure. Where you just don't care. Well, I think that there's a lot of people who. Who are closer to that than either of the discrete paths.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it is. It is interesting just how, like, shallow this reveals so much religion to be, because those really.

[Dan]

If.

[Jordan]

If there is a God, truly, that you believe in, there really do. Only. Only two of those options really do exist, you know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's only because. Yeah. It's only because they're, you know, that we're where we are.

[Dan]

Yep. So Alex is, you know, he's pretty. He's pretty down on this whole Iran thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he thinks that what Trump is doing is really only going to hurt the people and make the government worse. Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Now, Trump said on Truth Social Friday morning, he said, we read it on air quite a few times. He said, if you don't give up now, this may go 20 years, or you or I may decide today to totally destroy your whole country. What he said, but he said, regardless, I'm going to start hitting other targets that basically affect the general population. And they just blew up most of the oil refineries and systems starting Friday afternoon right through to today, it's continuing. The United States and Israel are obliterating their oil and Gas infrastructure which is the main power they have in the country and one of their only sources of money. And they're not going to give up. And the CIA studied others have looking at the psychology of the population. This is only going to make the moolahs long term war secure in their power. It's going to hurt the general public there and bring them into basic starvation. Just like the sanctions under the Bushes. And the worst of the Clintons on Iraq killed millions of people, most of them children, no medicine allowed in, no nothing.

[Jordan]

And that's why he's a great president. So thank God for Trump.

[Alex Jones]

So very, very diabolical. The mullahs are diabolical. They're terrible and don't care about life. They do terrible things as well. But I don't think too wrongs make a right.

[Dan]

Sure it sounds like Trump sucks. Why would he make that choice? Why would he do that stuff?

[Jordan]

I mean do you need, is it possible to excuse those things?

[Dan]

Not if you're.

[Jordan]

Alex, like if he's, if you just describe those things and then you're like. But he's perfect in every other way, I would still go.

[Dan]

So yeah, this is a, this is a problem. This is a deal breaker.

[Jordan]

This is a. You're describing it as a deal breaker. The word diabolical is satanic in origin.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that the needle or you know, Alex is trying to thread this little slot where like there's bad people and good people with Trump.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

There's good and evil and they're at war with each other and it's just not going to fly. I mean it's, this is the real world is happening it.

[Jordan]

We know that it's a bad move. We know he's going to murder millions of people. We know these things and we know he's not going to stop purely because of his psychological and personality deficiencies. He's a megalomaniac and that's why I'm going to vote for him for a third term.

[Dan]

Baby. Well, you got to. I mean midterms are coming up and you don't want to change horse in midstream or the fuck.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

So Alex, I really, I mean he's not saying fuck Trump, we gotta overthrow this guy.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But he's pretty negative.

[Jordan]

He's very negative.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's talking about how like he can play all these compilations of Trump saying he would never go into Iran.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, I can play the compilations. I already have dozens of times. Trump said when he first ran 10 years ago and then right through to a year and a half ago when he was running for the third time, saying, going to full war with Iran is World War iii. It's stupid, it's horrible. The. The Democrats will bring you there. I won't. I'll bring you peace. I am peace. And I knew that Trump had been good about not starting wars, and it pissed off the neocons that were his big enemies as well as the neoconish liberals in his first term. So I believed him. And overall, trying to end the war with Russia has. He's, he's done a good job. It's been harder than he thought it would be, and I believed it would have been harder to believe he said day one, he could end it. So weighing all of that, he's not as bad as the Democrats, the neocons, but he is becoming neoconish and, and kind of pushing away classic, you know, anti offensive war maga.

[Dan]

So understood correctly, what Alex is saying is that he has compilations filled with times Trump lied about his intentions, which Alex believed, then sold to his audience as divinely important truth. Trump isn't becoming a neocon. But more importantly, if Trump were the person that Alex sold the audience, it would be impossible for him to become a neocon. Trump is supposed to have been raised by a staunch anti communist, and he's been preparing for this, like, all his life. He has a keen awareness of the New World Order and he knows that he's in a death battle against the literal devil. If Trump were anything close to Alex's fantasy version of him, he would have the knowledge and wisdom that would preclude him from ever going to the evil side because he would understand the stakes. There's just no way that both versions of Trump that Alex preaches about are real, but the twist is that neither is. They're both fabrications that he uses to sway the audience where he needs them to go. Trump is the herald of God when he needs them to accept what he's doing and rejoice. And Trump is the dumb kid who falls in with a bad crowd of neocons when Alex needs the audience to grumble about Trump and not think any deeper about how Alex said he was the herald of God fairly recently.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So it's just all bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's a real bummer. It's a real bummer when once you remove the name and then like, just give somebody a list of the war crimes, they're like, that person should be in jail, maybe even sent to the Hague, maybe even executed, and then you're like, haha, it's Trump. And they're like, actually, it's probably good.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, like there's probably reasons he did the things he did. And you gotta think like, Harris would be worse.

[Jordan]

What? What? You know, also you. Okay, here's what worse. Here's what's worse. Successfully starting a war is worse than unsuccessfully starting a war. So even if the neocons and liberals tried to start a war, Trump did start a war.

[Dan]

Well, and let's even, let's even peel this onion back another layer. Both of those are way more serious than hypothetically starting a war.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

In a present. That didn't happen.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

We can't talk about what Harris would have done because that didn't happen.

[Jordan]

I mean, hey, no, go even back further. Clinton. What would have Clinton done? Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

What would Bill have done with a third term?

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Fun.

[Jordan]

Oh boy. Is there what? When you have to make something so bad to justify what you are okay with, that just needs to. You should just tell yourself what's going on.

[Dan]

Yeah. It kind of speaks for itself.

[Jordan]

Harris would have killed 20 million people. Okay, that's your low.

[Dan]

That also didn't happen.

[Jordan]

Yep, that didn't happen.

[Dan]

We're in the reality of the branching path where Trump did win and now he's doing this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Deal with it.

[Jordan]

Tell me. Here's what I would like. Here's what I would like. I would like them to tell me what Harris would have done. Write it down and then hold yourself accountable to it. If Trump does exactly that, you have to say Trump is Harris.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think it's too late for us to get them to commit to it. But that would have been good on day one.

[Jordan]

It would have been good.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex has gotten into a little bit of a Twitter beef. Well, it was short lived. Sure. James woods said some shit about how like, he's disenchanted with the GOP and they're all a bunch of assholes.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit. They lost James Woods.

[Dan]

No. Oh. But that's how Alex interpreted it. They got into a little back and forth on Twitter, but rest assured. Yeah, they squashed it. Everything's cool.

[Jordan]

Thank God's rules. Thank God he clarified.

[Alex Jones]

I clarified. That's great. Big fan of James woods politics and I'm again, not a huge movie person and I don't, you know, fetishize actors and actresses and you don't even really care about them. Never have. But it's funny. Yes. Most of the actors I do like are conservative, like Robert Duvall or, you know, just so many others. Or James Woods. I love James Woods. Love all his movies. Big, big fan of James Woods. Wish he was still acting. He really doesn't put much out. But hear that from James woods. And I just cover because it's celebrity news. It just ties into the big fight going on inside the Republican Party.

[Dan]

Alex isn't covering this because it's celebrity news. He's covering the story because a celebrity responded to him on Twitter. And Alex is painfully addicted to social media. Also, great to know that James woods is cool. Alex might want to look into the many allegations of him sexually harassing costars, including people who are underage, like Natasha Leone and Amber Tamblyn.

[Jordan]

Great.

[Dan]

Cool. He's a great guy with great politics.

[Jordan]

You know, he was Hades in Hercules, so, you know, he's got that going for him. That's about where it ends for me.

[Dan]

Was he was in the Clerks animated series.

[Jordan]

I think he was in the clerk's animated.

[Dan]

He's done some things right.

[Jordan]

He's. He's done a couple of cartoon. I don't know if he's ever been live action.

[Dan]

I wish, and I wish I'd looked into this a little bit more in advance, but I have the sense that he's been working a lot just in bad things. Yeah, he's been in a lot of really bad projects.

[Jordan]

There is a. There is a. An industry right now that is filled with unsuccessful conservatives, but they are just cranking out movies.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a lot of, you know, people who have too dangerous of ideas.

[Jordan]

Too dangerous of ideas. And several iPhones, and that's really all you need anymore.

[Dan]

Yeah. So J.D. vance.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

As he stepped in it, he accidentally said that they're bringing in a New World Order. But it's kind of cool. It's kind of all right.

[Alex Jones]

By the way, coming up, J.D. vance said, we are building a New World Order, and people are going crazy. They're saying, oh, my God, he's with the New World War.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Alex Jones]

That's not what he's saying. When you study the policy reports, it's very clear. I'll get to that later. The globalists were setting up their UN World government system and calling it the New World Order. But it. But in political science, academia, when an old order is dying, that's the Globalist Order.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

Then the vacuum is filled by new systems, and then a New Global Order or New International Order is created. We want one with nation states around capital.

[Jordan]

We all understood that. You're the one who did.

[Alex Jones]

And to build a multi polar world where nations deal with each other unilaterally and then sometimes getting coalitions to then come to larger decisions that don't affect national sovereignty. And we dismantle the corporate World Economic Forum UN system.

[Dan]

This is a perfectly rational explanation that should suffice for any person concerned about J.D. vance talking about a New World Order. All he's saying is that there was an order in place in terms of international relations and he prefers a different order.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

It's the same thing that H.W. bush was saying in that speech that Alex built his career around.

[Jordan]

Better believe it.

[Dan]

It's the same thing that countless politicians have said in the exact same words or slight variations.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

But from Alex, this is gaslighting.

[Jordan]

You better believe it.

[Dan]

He comes from a tradition where the words New World Order mean something very specific as a compound noun. It's not just a World Order that's new and distinct from the one we'd been living in. It's a centuries old conspiracy that's either about Communism or the devil, depending on what day you ask.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

The New World Order as Alex wants us to see it on this episode, is just the post World War II, post Cold War agreements about borders and interactions cooperation that we came to. Yeah, it's the un, it's the eu, these corporate unelected bodies that allegedly usurp each member country's ability to act in their own interests. It's NATO holding back Russia. It's the EU not letting Tommy Robinson kill Muslims. Sure. But on Infowars, the New World Order is the Illuminati that goes back to the 1700s. The New World Order is the Jacobins in France and the Bolsheviks in Russia. The motto Novus Ordo Seclorum was first put on the seal of the United States in 1782. In Infowars world, the idea is supposed to be that these guys have always existed and taken on different faces at different points in time. Always pushing a New World Order to advance their control.

[Jordan]

Not unlike the Assassin's Creed video games.

[Dan]

Yes, they created the old order. It ran its course. Then they built a new order on the ashes of the old one. When you hear someone advocating for a New World Order, it's supposed to be a dead giveaway that they're working for these people because the world works on magic rules.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

The bad guys have to publicly state their evil intentions or else God will be mad that they've subverted humanity's free will. As long as they say what they're gonna do in advance. It's our fault for not stopping them. So when Bush talks about a New World Order, that's taken as him telling you their evil plan.

[Jordan]

He has to.

[Dan]

That's the only way God's gonna let him get away with killing everyone.

[Jordan]

Exactly. So you are the fool who accepts the RA explanation for why New World Order is okay to say. But I know that the New World Order is a magical set of words that is a trap for all rational, right thinking people are externalizing the hierarchy. Exactly.

[Dan]

The framework that Alex used to promote his ideas in the past was and is fucking stupid. And all the rules that he used to attack people in power he didn't like are being broken by the people in power that he does like now.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that is really the problem. It's the framework. Alex has a problem with his audience after JD Vance talks about New World Order. Because Alex's career is built on sensationalizing. Exactly that. If he'd just said, I hate Bush and I don't like his policy choices, none of his audience would care about J.D. vance saying new World Order. Now, Alex took a shortcut to success that involved videos, manipulated context being used to lead people to idiotic conclusions. And the price of that is in 2026, he has to look fucking stupid trying to defend JD Vance. That's the bill come and do. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, how many more times can he say New World Order? Because obviously we've got one. We've got this one.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

We're gonna have Trump say it again here pretty soon. Because he's already said New World Order.

[Dan]

He said some wild.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he said. I mean, he might as well have said, I'm in the Illuminati.

[Dan]

Yeah. And hey, Americans are going to die. Suck it up.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Tighten your belts. Shit's going to get bad.

[Jordan]

Who else is going to have to say New World Order before we're like, all right, even Alex is going to accept that this is bad.

[Dan]

Well, I think that his current trajectory is what he needs to stay with. Like, it sounds stupid, but now there's no going back.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Once you rationally explain it away and you have it on, it's on audio

[Dan]

and you're defensive as hell about it.

[Jordan]

Very defensive.

[Dan]

Yeah. I. You know, I. Going back and listening to these 2006 episodes. He has ads for his documentaries, and they just have, like, techno remixes of Bush going like, new. New. New World Order.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And it's. But it's just fucking insane to think that it doesn't matter now.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Yeah. I want to throw rocks at the past, and it feels very impossible to do.

[Dan]

Yeah, I worry that it is, man.

[Jordan]

If there was an X Man with like real, genuine, good time traveling powers, that's really the only use for him is just throwing a rock at everybody in the past.

[Dan]

Wasn't that Cable?

[Jordan]

Oh, that's right. But he tried to do good or whatever.

[Dan]

Yeah. Not rocks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, throw rocks.

[Dan]

So Trump, he's. You might be able to right the ship.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

What?

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

No, he's cutting it close.

[Alex Jones]

If Trump's who's starting to make this turn into neocon globalism, if he continues much longer, then, as many have said, Trump is not here to dismantle the globalist New World Order and bring America back to where it was. No, he's simply putting a new coat of paint on the New World Order and setting it up for him and his family and them to run it with some tweaks and. And maybe not as openly satanic, but still, it takes you the same place. It's like you're using Google Maps or Waze or something, and you plot where you want to go. Here's my location. Here's where I want to go.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

It shows you five different routes to get there.

[Jordan]

Get there.

[Alex Jones]

And with Trump, it's more of a country ride, leisurely ride, you know, the.

[Jordan]

To the same place there in two hours.

[Alex Jones]

And that's hell right there in three hours.

[Dan]

Sounds like pacifying.

[Alex Jones]

I don't want to go to the destination. And before we were the first 10, 11 months, we were going the opposite direction away from, from, from. From Mordor.

[Jordan]

Right. But now we are going.

[Alex Jones]

It's back to the Shire. And I was like, that's really. Wow. In real action. It was. It was real.

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

And then, oh, we started turning and I'm like, hey, you're kind of. Mordor is over here.

[Jordan]

Same direction.

[Alex Jones]

Wait a minute. And I'm like, oh, oh, oh, you're not. He's right. That looks a little.

[Dan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

What? You know, so. Oh, this is incredible. Better than I thought. Wow. This is amazing. We're going away from Mordor. What's going on here? I'm a little concerned. Whoa, hey, hey, hey. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Yeah, so right now it's like about to be. And then when it starts choo chooing towards Mordor, I'm gonna go completely ape.

[Dan]

We're going wee wee. And then we go choo choo.

[Jordan]

I hated that. I hated every moment of that. That was the worst clip I've ever heard.

[Dan]

Yeah, it was Real dumb. So the position here seems to be that if Trump doesn't change course immediately, it'll become painfully obvious to Alex that he never meant to defeat the devil. He was just there to put a new coat of paint on the satanic system and get richer.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That's great, but it still doesn't deal with how Alex has said for, like, a decade that Trump is the real deal and he's not just a new coat of paint. God and the Holy Spirit drove Alex to passionately support Trump and cry on air about him and how he's not a coat of paint.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

If it is true that Trump is just a coat of paint on the old system, it's important to consider a couple of other implications of that. A coat of paint is used to hide defects, usually to sell an inferior product to a consumer. So if Trump is a coat of paint on the devil, it should be painfully clear that the paint was needed to fool the folks in Alex's audience, like the Tea Party people, into thinking that he was something shiny and new. The coat of paint was to trick you.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But even more damning, you need to understand that someone has to apply that paint. Things don't just paint themselves. And of all the people who have long careers in some form of media, there's no one who's done more Trump painting than Alex. Understood correctly. Trump provided the paint, and folks like Roger enlisted Alex to do the painting for him. Still more damning, there's one last piece of this metaphor that indicts Alex, which is that if you give something a new coat of paint, you know damn well what you're painting over. You're probably the last person who sees the thing before it got painted.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You're aware of why you're painting it.

[Jordan]

You're the one who put the paint on it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You didn't do it blind.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

The point is, no matter what level of turning on Trump Alex ever does or doesn't do, it won't be enough. You can have buyer's remorse when you realize that someone sold you a shitty product, but you can't have sellers remorse when that customer comes back demanding answers that you sold them a shitty product.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's no empathy for the con man.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

You know what you're doing?

[Jordan]

Yeah, obviously, I wonder. All right, since. Since we're here. Right. And the. The. The thing to do is. Right, okay, let me try. Sorry, let me back up here a second. What I want to do is like Johnny Carson this. I want to write down a thing.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Right. Or I want to have Alex write down a thing. That is the last thing. This is the thing. Right.

[Dan]

Well, I think we. I think he described it there. We're gonna go, wah, wah, wah, wah, choo choo.

[Jordan]

Right. But I mean, like, what is. Just give me a thing for Trump for you to be like, fuck, I cannot go any further, and then I'll just have the envelope ready and waiting for when he does it. Right.

[Dan]

I think a safe thing for him to say in the envelope would be like, horns.

[Jordan]

Just horns.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He would grow horns. Yeah, I'm absolutely. Write it down. I fucking write it down, and I will hold you to it.

[Dan]

I think he would think that's safe.

[Jordan]

I bet he would.

[Alex Jones]

I don't anymore.

[Jordan]

I genuinely don't anymore.

[Dan]

Put it in the envelope.

[Jordan]

Put it in the envelope.

[Dan]

So Alex, you know, he's. He's airing some grievances with Trump, and one of them is that Trump loves glyphosate, which is that the weed killer that he championed banning for the last 30 years.

[Jordan]

I don't like how we can have different tiers of stakes going on simultaneously. I don't appreciate that at all. That's what I hate about the news. That's what I hate about all this stuff. I don't care about glyphosate right now on account of the other account of the war.

[Dan]

Sure. And I think that Alex shouldn't care either, because there's more pressing issues.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But also, you know, like, it's very clear that Trump isn't on the same page as him. And that's kind of funny, but also, like, I don't think he's taking it seriously.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, this continues with. I mean, like, you know what? We're gonna give liability protection to glyphosate Roundup. Absolute fact. They knew it causes mass cancer, infertility, death. Kennedy gets in there, they have liability protection, goes away. They're winning all the lawsuits. The whole world's banning it, and Trump goes liability protection on Roundup. Now, we're still going to phase it out, but right now, you know, they got to have liability protection. That's another big click, click, click towards Mordor. And I'm just sitting there watching this. But I do not apologize for helping get Trump in. He's been totally disruptive of the globalist. So much good has happened. That's why they hated him. But if he goes sideways, it doesn't mean we were wrong to support him. It doesn't mean.

[Jordan]

Yes, it does.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, we screwed.

[Jordan]

Yes, it does. Yes, it does.

[Alex Jones]

Light years better than the other guys.

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex Jones]

And we're the ones that put him in. We're the ones that built this.

[Jordan]

It's your fault.

[Alex Jones]

And, and, and, and all over the world. And so we're going to continue to push.

[Dan]

No, Alex shouldn't apologize for supporting Trump. He should retire.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

According to Alex, Trump is giving liability protection to a chemical that's responsible for soft killing countless Americans and is basically a bioweapon poison. But hey, at least Harris isn't in there. He lied us into a war in Iran, which he swore he wouldn't do. But at least Kamala isn't president. Come on, guys. The two selling points for not apologizing for Trump seem to be that the Democrats would have been worse and that folks like Alex were what was powering Trump to begin with. The first one's a lesser of two evils argument that doesn't mean anything. And the second one is an appeal to trust the instincts of the guy who sold you the bullshit that brought you here, which I think would be unwise.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. It feels, it feels like being pot committed is usually bad and a. In a fallacy. What these people are is so far beyond that, I can't even comprehend it.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's, it's, it's someone going all in and then saying they didn't.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like there's. But.

[Jordan]

But then somehow also putting the mortgage for their house on the table and then be like, ah, I didn't do that. But then somehow also putting the mortgage for their parents house on the fucking table. I didn't do that. And then losing it all and then being like, I'm gonna keep it anyways.

[Dan]

I think Alex is referred to it as my life, my family, and my treasure. There you go.

[Jordan]

Put out there.

[Dan]

Yeah, but. But it's like a poker game that is unfortunately, like at a bar or

[Jordan]

something, and they're forcing us to play.

[Dan]

Yeah. And there's no one enforcing the rules.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Like, this person can get away with that. All in that they say they didn't

[Jordan]

do because we've essentially been tied up around the table. And this is like a Mad Hatter version of the poker game. Yeah, that's. That actually sounds right.

[Dan]

No longer poker.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. Now we're just dancing to his tunes.

[Dan]

So Alex goes. You know, he talks a little bit about how, you know, the people who voted for Trump, sure. They wanted to avoid World War three.

[Jordan]

Yes. But then they failed. Boy howdy.

[Alex Jones]

Big events like this Iran war and the attempt at Gaslighting. That's not a war. When Trump's like, yeah, it's a war. Well, asserts. No, no, no, no, it's not a war. For legal reasons, all that crap pisses off Trump supporters because we're the good guys and we know what you said and we know what you stand for, and we know why people voted for you. The number one thing people told me in the streets, black, white, Hispanic, old, young, immigrants that were citizens, you name it, was, he will stop World War iii. He won't go to war with Iran, he'll stop the war with Russia. That they wasn't about the economy. That was second. That was second. Then third was the border. It was stop war, secure the border, fix the economy. Well, he's done the border thing, not the deportation yet, because they're scaling up, doing a great job there as well, for what they had. But that's where I stand on this, and I'm gonna move on. And the reason I explain that every day is that's the big debate raging everywhere and we have new listeners shooting in all the time. So I just wanna be 100% clear where we are, what I stand for.

[Dan]

Alex has not stated a clear position on this episode. In essence, he's saying that he the same kind of thing that he always says, which is that he's this close to being sick of Trump' but, man, isn't he better than Harris.

[Jordan]

He's way better than Harris.

[Dan]

He's not stated a clear opposition to Trump, and if anything, he's expressed a belief that Trump can redeem himself by being less like the neocons and stop being friends with them. And in effect, this is him making his position clear. The Democrats will always be worse. So there's nothing that Trump can do to make Alex not support him until there's a viable alternative who could be in power. All the while, Trump is gonna continue to do horrible shit that Alex is supposed to be against, which he'll do his best to blame on other people, like cabinet members or the Israeli government. I suspect that after the midterms, if the GOP can put together a viable candidate to rally behind, Alex will be more open to just treating Trump like a lame duck. But for now, it's gonna be defensive, whining and lesser of two evils shit. Also, Alex's content usually focuses on exciting, flashy shit like World War 3, but the economy was the actual most important issue in the polls in the 2024 election. Does Alex think that no one remembers the constant yelling about Biden and inflation, like that was incessant.

[Jordan]

I'm so frustrated with us all because there was a big deal made about gas prices so huge, such a big deal that they had to make a whole bill about it and do the whole thing. And then, and then now the gas prices are lower, but nobody's, nobody's been like, haha, why, why are they lower now?

[Dan]

And then they're higher, and then they're

[Jordan]

lower, and then they're lower. Was it important last time or not important last time? Is it less important now? Is it more important now? Tell me exactly how important it was last time. Did everybody overreact like fucking lunatics?

[Dan]

No, it's always equally important. But Trump's working on it, right?

[Jordan]

Yeah, I just read the typewriter and the Serial killer or some, I don't remember the title very well. I read it yesterday. But it's about the, the New Yorker, Paris, kind of like gossip columnist and the last guy to be publicly executed in France. And it's set right in the up as we go up to World War II. Right. And so she's doing all of these things and she gets the opportunity, one of the first Americans to go to a Nazi rally. And what she writes about Hitler after that Nazi rally is like, like, don't, don't go back and read it. You'll feel real scared. So anyways, much like how somebody say, invaded Poland out of nowhere, I would say we're on a, we're on a very specific path forward.

[Dan]

There are, as George Lucas might say, the shit rhymes.

[Jordan]

It seems rhymey. It seems like the limerick we've all been waiting for.

[Dan]

Yeah. Just trash. Just fucking trash.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that Alex on some level has to recognize that this is about as bad as it could be. Like, in terms of the person he's chosen to get behind.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because Trump is like straight up violating the Constitution all over the place. And Alex can't even deny it anymore, but he refuses to actually say.

[Alex Jones]

Is just beyond frustrating to see people out there saying, oh, well, the Iranians are celebrating and yeah, undoubtedly the mullahs are unpopular and yeah, there's people on the streets. That's great. We cannot continue to be committed to things that, even if they're sure things, really violate the Constitution. I've studied it and we could definitely go take out Maduro, even if you

[Jordan]

skimmed it,

[Alex Jones]

because that's been done. It's in the Constitution. Was done by the Founding Fathers, the third president, Thomas Jefferson, the Barbary Wars. I mean, I understand the Monroe Doctrine, all Of that stuff, I said, this is the first time I can with concern say, yes, you can do this constitutionally, Trump, but it could go bad, but who knows? We'll see. And it went extremely well. And I said at the time, I said, it's gone well. Incredible execution, you name it, nobody killed on our side. So far it looks like Venezuela's getting stabilized. This is happening. I talk people in the military and others that are going in, but I said, will this hype Trump up to then feel emboldened where he had instincts not to do giant military operations against powerful countries and to be offensive in nature? Will this spur him to start listening to people who are the minority, but are there in his ear telling him, no, no, no, we can do this, let's do this. What is this footage you're showing? Oh, the Iran protest in New York. All right, thank you.

[Dan]

Good stuff. So this is an example of a pattern that I've brought up about Alex in the past where he's saying a certain thing very obviously, but he refuses to just say it it because he knows that if he does, he has to act differently. The point of what Alex is saying here is that he believes that kidnapping Maduro and doing regime change in Venezuela is defensible in terms of the Constitution, but that starting a war with Iran is not. The point he's making by talking about the aggression against Venezuela being constitutional is meant to highlight the fact that Trump's actions with Iran aren't. But Alex is reluctant to just say that Trump has violated the Constitution because he knows that if he clearly articulates that there's no more lesser of two evils game to play, there's no more playing around with the maybe we can get Trump to course correct because it's too late for that. Alex has boxed himself into a position where the worst thing a president could do is violate the Constitution. But if he accepts that and acts accordingly, he's handing power over to the literal devil. Trump is acting in defiance of the Constitution and Alex can't even pretend otherwise. But if he really looked at this head on, he'd realize that he's at a crossroads. He can either demand Trump be impeached, knowing that that plays into the Democrats hands, or any other action he takes means that violating the Constitution isn't a deal breaker. Yep, the Constitution really only applies when it's convenient. And if following it means your side loses some amount of power, the rules don't really apply. That's the implication of him not demanding Trump be impeached.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, I've. I've heard about this First Amendment my whole fucking life. And how it's inviolable, how all of the Constitution is inviolable, but it turns out we don't have, like, cops to just go arrest you if you break it.

[Dan]

Mm. Well, because it's. Man. When it's the President, it's so debatable.

[Jordan]

I mean, I feel like it's not. Which is kind of the point of the whole system, is that, like, nobody's above the law. Right. But that's way wrong. That's about as wrong as it could get.

[Dan]

But again, I think this highlights the reason that Alex will, like, tease around these premises but won't give the conclusion.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because then he would need to call for Trump to be.

[Jordan]

You have to say it.

[Dan]

And I think that he's just not ready to do that. Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, it is. It is weird how acceptable it is to violate the Constitution.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I heard a bunch about it all of my life and how important it was. And it is. Toilet paper.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. It seems like there's a couple things that really make some people mad.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

When you don't, like, let them be racist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

On social media.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then that's about it.

[Jordan]

That is about it.

[Dan]

Oh, guns. Guns, too.

[Jordan]

Sure. I mean. I mean, you can only enslave certain people now, so that's a plus.

[Dan]

And you do have to pretend they committed a crime.

[Jordan]

That is true. That is true.

[Dan]

That helps.

[Jordan]

Or, yeah, you need to make some drug illegal in order to get more slaves.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

That's America.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Let's amend that shit. So Alex gets into a little bit of a rant about how Trump's playing with fire, but it's nuclear fire.

[Jordan]

That's the worst kind of fire.

[Dan]

Kill everybody.

[Alex Jones]

Trump was only in a few months, and servants said, I know how they work. They're setting him up. They're giving him bad advice. Watch. This will be what brings down his administration if he doesn't get it and get it fast. And that was a theory to me then. I knew they were trying it now. That is their nomenclature. That is their play. Oh, and if we don't yell and scream, they're going to send in ground troops, folks. And when we lose a whole bunch of troops, you know how we are over here? People are going to get pissed off and demand total regime change. And then they're having discussions of hitting Iran with nuclear weapons. And then in every study, that has a very good chance of dragging in Russia and China and North Korea. Heaven help us, people, can you not feel the danger? We are not in Kansas anymore. Get rid of your normalcy bias. We're in the fourth turning.

[Jordan]

But better than Harris.

[Alex Jones]

Doing stuff like this is like pouring gasoline all over your house. 50 gallons of it. Pouring gasoline all over yourself and then getting a packet of matches out and playing with them like you're about to strike it.

[Jordan]

Harris would have poured 51 gallons just

[Alex Jones]

half a millionaire away. Like, oh, and then you go too close. It's like having a monkey with a flamethrower running around a fireworks factory. I told you this years ago. And it's been intense the last few months. All these elites are running down to Chile and a bunch of other places. They got armored fortresses up because that won't get hit by as much radiation. They got bunkers up near the Arctic Circle. They got. And it came out in the news today that a bunch of Trump administration people are buying bunkers for themselves. I mean, this isn't this. Just into the same game, people. Okay? I don't just say stuff like this to make it sound scary. I mean, every damn thing I'm saying. I know what I'm talking about. And the loonies over in Israel, Netanyahu and them, they just want their greater Israel. They want their greater power, so they don't care. All right, I'm sorry. Back to. Back to Tim Dillon.

[Dan]

So that at the end, there is a little bit of a reveal that this is. He has paused a clip he's watching from Tim Dillon, podcast comedian, interviewing a couple journalists. And that's like the source material that has launched him into this extended metaphor about fire, like blowing up your house. Sure. That's kind of silly. You could get more like maybe a higher grade primary source to work from than Tim Dillon's podcast.

[Jordan]

I mean, where. Where. Where are there higher sources than Tim Dillon? Name one. Edward Murrows dead.

[Dan]

Sure. Yeah. Fuck, I didn't think of that.

[Jordan]

It's him, Tim Dillon. And then who? Cronkite. Get the fuck out of here.

[Dan]

Big Jim Tucker's dead.

[Jordan]

Sure he's dead, huh?

[Dan]

He was the only one who could come close.

[Jordan]

William F. Buckley's dead.

[Dan]

That weird. Daniel Estelin's alive. He was the other Bilderberg guy.

[Jordan]

That's right. That's right.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Dan]

At least the Phon Molyneux maybe had some news.

[Jordan]

Their choices.

[Dan]

Fucking hell. So that clip, though, it introduces a thought experiment.

[Jordan]

How much should you spend on a bunker?

[Dan]

No, I think we can. I think we could. You could math that One out. Okay. Infinite monkeys. Sure. With infinite flamethrowers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In infinite firework factories.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Would eventually one of them not set off a firework?

[Jordan]

That's a really good question. I mean, ostensibly, infinite infinity has to include possibilities. That would only happen one out of, you know, however many times in an infinite structure will create anything. I saw Avengers, but is there a line between the possible and the impossible that's unbreakable?

[Dan]

I don't know. Can I confess something?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I didn't see Avengers.

[Jordan]

Who cares? Wait, which Avengers would they say that in?

[Dan]

There was, like, timeline stuff in one of them. I remember that scene of a Cumberbatch with the Time Stone.

[Jordan]

He's doing the time thing.

[Dan]

Yeah, but I lied about having seen it.

[Jordan]

You'll be fine. No one's gonna be mad at you.

[Alex Jones]

Shit.

[Dan]

I think that my question was annoying and doesn't deserve an answer. But I did think back. Didn't Alex say that the globalists were, like, training monkeys to drop off bombs or something like that? Did I dream that?

[Jordan]

I don't remember. I don't remember talking about trained monkeys.

[Dan]

I think it happened.

[Jordan]

I feel like we've had plenty of different animals be trained, in Alex's estimation, to do some horrible shit. I don't remember monkeys with bombs.

[Dan]

I feel like I heard it somewhere.

[Jordan]

All right. All right.

[Dan]

So we got. You know, obviously, you're gonna blow up your house. Sure. Trump's playing with fire. Nuclear bombs. Tim D. Dillon's on it. And thankfully, Tim Dillon's got this covered, so Alex can take care of the important. There's bigger issues.

[Alex Jones]

All right, there's about five more minutes of this I want to air, and then I'm gonna get to the other news. Okay. And then I'm gonna ask the question about Jared Kushner in all of this. And is Jared Kushner the Antichrist? And I'm not saying. Good question, and I'm not saying he is, but I've seen some really interesting things about him that are confirmed. Wait till you see Horns. This is some wild stuff.

[Dan]

Yeah, man. Wild stuff.

[Jordan]

So Kushner.

[Dan]

By wild, he means stupid.

[Jordan]

Kushner is the Antichrist.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a TikTok video that was going around that was talking about that. And so Alex is devoting some coverage to it, hoping to suck some of the attention away from it towards his store.

[Jordan]

If you had a list of everyone named the Antichrist in my lifetime, it would be nearly identical to every. To a list of all presidents and senators over the past 35 years.

[Dan]

A lot of artists too, probably.

[Jordan]

Yeah, definitely.

[Dan]

I think you're not doing it right if someone has called you the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that is a good point. Yeah, that is a good point. I mean, you're. You could also not be doing it right if somebody calls you the. They're. They're not the same, but you. If you're doing it right, you probably will get called the Antichrist too.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think you've called Alex it maybe once or twice. Well, no, he's just possessed by a demon.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I don't think. I wouldn't give him the. I wouldn't give him the laurels of Antichristom. Yeah, I've never called anybody in all. And like, listen, you gotta reach a lot of levels to become the Antichrist.

[Dan]

Do you see the Antichrist as an administrative role or more a ceremonial thing? Like, do you think it's the king or the prime minister?

[Jordan]

No, it's the king. He's got fucking fire in his eyes and shit. He's telling people what to do all over the place.

[Dan]

Yeah, but he's not doing paperwork.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no, no.

[Dan]

I agree. So Alex comes back from break and he's got. He's gonna get to that Antichrist stuff later. Gotta tease that out.

[Jordan]

Well, it's dumb.

[Dan]

Instead, he decides to get back into Iran and he reads a very insane thing that Trump posted online.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, okay, let me just read it for radio listers. Iran is no longer the bully of the Middle East. They are instead the loser of the Middle east and will be for many decades until they surrender or more likely, completely collapse. Today, Iran will be hit very hard. Under serious consideration for complete destruction. That's. That's complete destruction.

[Jordan]

That's Hitler. That's Hitler.

[Alex Jones]

Under serious consideration for complete destruction and certain death. He didn't say the regime. He didn't say that. He said Iran. That doesn't sound too nice. Under serious consideration for complete destruction and certain death because of Iran's bad behavior and areas and groups of people that were not considered to be targeted up until now, up to this moment in time. Time. Thank you for your attention in this matter, djt. So, yeah, I didn't vote for that. And I am very concerned because instead of listening to his advisors that are experts and who are patriots, like Eric Prince. Not up. Not. Not a dove, not a liberal.

[Dan]

Alex can try and reassure himself all he wants, but he did vote for this in his head around the 2016 or 2024 elections. He might not have thought specifically that Trump would attack Iran if he got into office. But he definitely voted for Trump because he was a lunatic who would exert power in ways that other politicians wouldn't dare.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

The entire allure of Trump was supposed to be like him or hate him. You gotta admit, he's President. He's not taking orders from anybody. And the proof of it is all this insane shit that he does and says. When they all got behind Trump, part of it was motivated by the chaos that he embodied, and that's what they're getting. Also, you can hear the way that Alex is putting on a mocking tone when he's reading Trump's post, particularly in the thank you for your attention to this matter part that tells you a lot. This is no different than anything else Trump posts online all the time. And that's not the tone that Alex usually strikes with this. He seems angry at Trump. Like, he seems fed up.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, if I was charged with defending that, that the President said I would, I don't know, probably rip my hair out, get rid of all of my clothes and move to the top of a mountain.

[Dan]

Right. But it's not even defend. It's respond in any way other than what the fuck is this person doing anywhere near power. Yes. He's talking about another country and he's saying complete destruction, death.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Like, yeah, it's not okay.

[Jordan]

It is. It is amazing. Because if there was, if there was anything that it's. It's hard not to conclude, it's that most people will just do whatever authority tells them to do. The vast majority of people, including those with any amount of power like surrounding Trump, are all these people who could have and. And have every reason to, under the Constitution. Just stop this shit. Just like, literally, just stop it.

[Dan]

Mm. What does the Sergeant at Arms do? I mean, is that somebody who you

[Jordan]

could call seriously, There could just be some group of assholes who work there. Like, this is nuts. He's. He's doing everybody. The Constitution or some shit.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It sounds right.

[Jordan]

Some shit like that.

[Dan]

Some shit.

[Jordan]

Some shit. There's got to be a reason somewhere. Cuz I feel like I've read about all of them.

[Dan]

Yeah, there's been a lot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, well. So look, Trump, he could walk away. He could just say, hey, I won, and everybody would be cool.

[Jordan]

Usually there's only one way to get rid of kings and dictators.

[Dan]

You killed the Ayatollah.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You blew up a bunch of shit. You killed a ton of people. But hey, just declare victory and you can walk away. But Trump can't do that because he's a fucking degenerate gambler.

[Alex Jones]

And Trump could still declare victory like he did, blow up their nuclear sites nine months ago and pull back. And then he can always go get him again if he wants to. But this is stupid. And I know the majority of his advisors are telling him stop, but he has that degenerate gambler thing going on. It's 3am he's been winning, winning, winning at the tables. And so he's sitting there at the casino at 3am Gambling with our future in our lives. And the deep state loves it. If he's successful, they love it. If he's not, it hurts Trump in America. They love it. They don't lose unless there's a nuclear war comes out of this. So here's President Trump talking about, well, Iran's evil, so they deserve this. I mean, where have we heard that before? But even if you say they're evil, which I agree, their leadership is, you're probably not going to be successful getting rid of them with the whack a mole game, which again, I predicted, not you. Watch this.

[Jordan]

And another one.

[Alex Jones]

Keep him coming. Peaceful furnace is permanent. And we will have gotten rid of a major, major cancer on the face of the earth. We will have taken out a cancer. You know, don't forget October 7th. Don't forget all of the things that have happened over the years, all, all caused by. So what we're doing is a great thing, not only for our country and not only for Israel, not only for the Middle east, but for the world. Not you, not you, not you. Watch this.

[Jordan]

And another one.

[Alex Jones]

Keep him coming. He's from it.

[Dan]

Really. Just take a second to let that soak in. Alex is so incompetent and cares so little about doing his job that when he's covering his chosen God king, starting a war with Iran, he can't just play a clip of Trump talking about that decision. The only media Alex even takes in is from social media. So the version of Trump's comments, they come prepackaged with a fun joke about Trump killing Iranian leaders. Like it's whack a mole. The carnival sounds and everything.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Alex just took that video from like a TikTok that he came across.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

A dumb meme that makes light of the situation is not the tone Alex is trying to convey here. And I don't think he realizes how insane this show feels. There's no consistent messaging and everything is disjointed because he's trying to make his content mirror the social media landscape that he's a captive to imagine him trying to make a video about how Bush did 9 11, but he's running a video of the towers falling with yakety sax playing. That's kind of how this feels. It's ridiculous.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It makes me. It's. It takes surreality to the point of, like, constant questioning. Like, it is. It is a regular occurrence to. For me to just be like, maybe none of this is happening. Maybe I'm literally crazy. Because that would make more sense to me because it's like, it's wild to just walk outside. I was walking on the street today. It's cold, and everybody's just, everything's fine. Everything's fine. And then all of a sudden it's like, I'm here. And it's like, oh, no. But that's real. It's real.

[Dan]

Yeah. That.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The sensation you're describing is exactly what I felt when Probst started rapping.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Like, I believe you. It's. This cannot be real.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

This can't be real.

[Dan]

Until a minute ago, everything that I

[Jordan]

have been expecting to be real suddenly feels very transient.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I don't know. I don't think Alex is in control of the tone. So, like, I don't think that he's doing this on purpose.

[Jordan]

Right. It's just the only clip he has.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think it's the product of not wanting to try.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And not giving a shit.

[Jordan]

Trying is hard and giving a shit is a bad idea. Especially when you're this.

[Dan]

Yeah, just yell a bit.

[Jordan]

Just.

[Dan]

So there are some positives about what? Well, we're not getting to the Antichrist stuff yet.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But like Trump, there's. There's some, you know, silver lining in terms of attacking Iran.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And that's that. He didn't ask.

[Alex Jones]

Let's switch gears into J.D. vance. So J.D. vance was just interviewed by Megyn Kelly, and she talks about. So the old system is dead. And what is that? That's the EU with Communist China. What's left? The British Empire, you know, the US Globalist system. That means the carbon taxes. That means the UN being in charge, the World Economic Forum calling the shots, blackrock being in total control. The whole Bill Gates, Rothschild, Rockefeller International neoliberal order that they had established, that they admit is totally in trouble. Everybody's turning against him, regardless of Trump. And Trump in policy has been totally ignoring them, doing whatever he wants, effectively getting out of the un, getting out of the World Health Organization, effectively getting out of the World Trade Organization, making all our own decisions. That's beautiful. And you can say not going to the UN to get authorization to attack Iran. I don't like the attack on Iran, but I, at one level, I like not getting anybody's permission because we as a sovereign nation can do what we believe is right. And then history will judge us and we have to have a nuclear war. We all die. That's a big mistake we make.

[Dan]

But this is basically Alex saying that he voted for Trump to attack Iran, just using different words. Alex likes that Trump acts with no concern for the needs or wants of people in other countries. Because. Because the US has the sovereignty to do whatever it wants. If we end up killing all the humans on earth in a nuclear war, then the non existent future history books can certainly criticize us for it. If that's the model of what you want in a leader, then it's really only a matter of time until one of them will kill everyone. Because the dirty little secret is that a leader who views the people in the rest of the world with that much disdain really doesn't like average Americans all that much either. Yeah, if you empower a single person to make decisions based on what they interpret is the best thing for the country, then they will inevitably start to see what's best for them personally as what's best for the country.

[Jordan]

It's crazy how that works.

[Dan]

The reason we're supposed to have checks and balances between the branches of government is that our country is kind of founded on the idea that as much as we all like to think we wouldn't be corrupted by absolute power, we all kind of know we would be be. No person can have that kind of power, because when they do, it's inevitable that they'll do what Trump is doing. And that's what Alex voted for. Yep, he voted for it. He tried to overturn an election to support it. He made his spiritual and religious identity entwined with it, and he's worked every day to empower a single person being able to make insane and undemocratic decisions because he believed that those decisions would always play in his advantage. But that turned out to be wrong. And zooming out a little bit, Alex views people in other countries as if they aren't real. If Trump decides he wants to attack Iran and that leads to a nuclear war that kills everyone in Europe, then the EU countries really just need to accept that he had the right to make that decision. And in hindsight, if they were alive, they could say it was a mistake, but they're Dead.

[Jordan]

Yep. Funny how that works.

[Dan]

Alex will constantly talk about how the globalist mindset is all about dehumanization, but if he views the non American world as this disposable and this captive to American decisions, it's hard to take those complaints about the globalists seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Cuz these aren't people to him either. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's. It's interesting to me that I feel as though the people of the United States and the people of Iran would get along just fine if they didn't have the government of the people of the United States and the people of Iran.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think a lot of. I think a lot of.

[Jordan]

Maybe the whole world would work a lot better.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think, I think getting away get in the way a lot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Seems leaders have some problems.

[Jordan]

Seems like they go out of their way to cause problems.

[Dan]

Yeah. The least Trump is like, maybe he can fix it. You know, like he's, he can turn around.

[Jordan]

I.

[Dan]

We're not at Mordor yet.

[Jordan]

I feel as though maybe there's no reason for him to turn around because no one has given him any consequences for not turning around. And Alex himself plans on giving him fewer consequences than ever before should he continue.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

So I would guess he's going to keep going full force ahead.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a coming day that won't be too long from now that Alex will be entirely financially dependent on Bigly, a company named after a Trump catchphrase.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So tough to jump ship now.

[Dan]

Yeah. Looks kind of dumb. Dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we now enter the period of the show where Alex is defending JD Vance using the term New World Order. And he's like, hey man, all systems that are new are orders that are new.

[Jordan]

We all. No one needs this explanation.

[Dan]

He does.

[Alex Jones]

That's exactly when you hear the Old International Order is dead from them. Their New World Order is dead. You see Putin saying we now have to work with other nations to build a New World Order about the New International Order Order. But the public, when the globalists would talk about their plan, they were saying, we control the world. We're establishing a planetary government, our New World Order. So you call a New Order.

[Jordan]

How can you use more words than this?

[Alex Jones]

America fighting off the British, creating the American system was a New World Order. The British wrote, if this continues, our empire will fall. And it did. It took 100 and some years. But that's the point is a new boss, a new system. And there's a lot of the old same globalist players in there trying to salvage this. And Repackage the old New World Order as the New New World Order. And there's a big battle inside the Trump administration on how we form this new system. Because a new system is being formed. And I don't just expose the globalist system and other systems, the communist systems. I promote good ones and try to get the public to promote good systems. Team America, team humanity. A system pro God, pro family, pro natalist, pro expansion.

[Dan]

This is just nothing. So George H.W. bush used the term New World Order in those speeches because his Gulf War was where the globalists tried to launch their system for this world government. That's cool. Except that Alex's ideology doesn't start in 1988. Jimmy Carter was president before Reagan, and he was a product of Zbigniew Brzezinski. And even before that, Nelson Rockefeller was Ford's vice president. The UN coming into existence after World War II is just a rehash of what they tried to do with the League of Nations after World War I. So by the time Bush Sr. Got around, this shit was almost 100 years old. This isn't new. There's nothing. There's no New New World Order and old New World Order and New Old World Order. But it's funny to watch Alex try and offload his baggage that he's saddled himself with that's no longer convenient. It's a. It's pretty remarkable how he's arguing with himself from the past.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, it's for something that for the rest of us could be summed up with. One of them is lowercase and the other one is capital letters. Is the difference between the New World Order and the New World Order. It's very simple. We all understand the difference between a proper noun and a descriptor.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

It's not complicated.

[Dan]

And if it's white and black, it's Hollywood Hulk Hogan.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

If it's red and black, it's the wolf pack.

[Jordan]

I forgot about the red and black, too.

[Dan]

Sweet.

[Jordan]

They can't See, that's the problem with New World Orders. They always fall apart.

[Dan]

Yeah, they do. Well, yeah. They split up into. You know. I mean, it's trying to control the dialectic by, you know, you play both sides.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Absolutely.

[Dan]

No, the Hogan and the Nash.

[Jordan]

Looking back, it appears that Hogan and Nash both took us all for a ride.

[Dan]

It was an allegory for the Hegelian dialectic. Sure. So Alex has now become a person who is saying the things that the evil people used to say.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

That system is collapsing. We now are Debating what the new New World Order will be. Again, the name just deals with the international and national system.

[Dan]

This clip is particularly offensive to me because if you've listened to any amount of infowars from the past, you'll know that this is a direct betrayal of the ideas that Alex has preached for years. The entire idea of being above the left right paradigm is rooted in Alex's argument that the globalists were offering two different New World Orders to one on the right and one on the left, and that we all had to wake up to how we were being presented with a false choice. They want us debating about what the New World Order will be so we're distracted from the truth that we don't need a New World Order. The people arguing about what the features of the New World Order will be are specifically trying to keep you from realizing that they both lead to the same place and the only way to be free is to reject all of them. It. For classic Alex, the split was between the neocons on the right and the Soros type folks on the left. They had different branding, but ultimately they both led to the same tyrannical outcome. The two sides present you with a set of incomplete choices to psychologically manipulate you into not realizing that there are so many more options. But now here we are in the present and Alex is advocating for one of the sides that's debating what the inevitable New World Order is going to look like. At a time when Alex is having to deal with his anointed leader starting a war with Iran, the very thing he insisted the globalists were planning to do if they won, he should be more aware of how transparent this game is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And how he's tripping over his own feet trying to walk.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. If people are buying bunkers, right, then presumably the New World Order is really just gonna be like. Like distributing resources between small groups of people trapped underground. Because otherwise, why buy all. Why would people be buying all these bunkers? People in the administration. You know what I'm saying? If people close to the New World Order or the New World New world orderers like J.D. vance and Trump are buying fallout shelters, then I think we have to conclude that the newest World Order will be a very small one.

[Dan]

We're going to have to. We're going to have to say Hollywood for the globalists and Wolf Pack for Trump.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Because the Wolf Pack came later.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

So chronologically, even though I think the Wolf Pack was cooler.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Mostly because Hogan sucks.

[Jordan]

Hogan. Dave, it's not hard to Come to that conclusion.

[Dan]

But yeah, I think, I think we have to do that. Because I'm not saying New New World Order and old New World Order.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that is a problem.

[Dan]

That's fucking annoying.

[Jordan]

That is very annoy.

[Dan]

This sucks.

[Jordan]

How about we go with Joy Division and then the New Order?

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

All right. Operation Ivy is rancid.

[Jordan]

I like it.

[Dan]

All right, so Alex, he's talking about various New Worlds. Order from past. I don't know how to pluralize this.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, again, the name just deals with the international and national system. Like when the Roman empire fell in 410, a new world order formed which was decentralized little nation states, the destruction of knowledge, destruction of ability, and a thousand year Dark Age.

[Jordan]

Not right. Really.

[Alex Jones]

That was the New World Order with the fall of the Roman Empire and the, The. The total peak of the Dark Ages with the fall of Constantinople. Almost a thousand years out of that. It's just amazing. So what it means is spiritually for the world, the birth of Christ, the death of Christ was a New World Order. Spiritually. Understand Columbus discovering America or at least discovering to commercialize it was really Fairs and others. That was a New World Order for North America. A revolution. The globalist revolution. They called their New World Order. I know I've explained this 15 times. I know most of you understood the first time or before. But I'm trying to go to the sheep that aren't as smart, you know, And I'm. And I'm trying to get them to understand what I'm saying so they can grasp this.

[Dan]

This is a real bummer because what Alex is trying to say is that the term New World Order doesn't really mean anything and everyone needs to stop being mean to J.D. vance. Yep, that's basically the point. Yep, it's all a fun game. But the elephant in the room is that Alex believes that the same folks who were responsible for the fall of Rome were Behind getting George H.W. bush into office so he could bring about a New World Order. Yeah. It's not just a descriptive term in Infowars World. And the frustration that Alex is expressing here is directed at people in his audience who took what he said in the past seriously. He's mad that they won't like, accept that it's all a game.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is interesting. The. The subtext being, shouldn't you guys be smarter than this by now? Right.

[Alex Jones]

Win.

[Jordan]

Right. It is. It is something along the lines of like, I, you have to know by now, I'm full of Shit. You have to look all of this. Right. So how could I possibly need to explain this? How could you possibly still believe what I said before?

[Dan]

Yeah. The frustration that he's expressing at people who take, like, the New World Order shit from the past. Seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Feels like the pre taped call in shows sketch from Mr. Show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like it's a guy getting frustrated at something that he's doing to himself in the past. It's a. He had a bad idea and it is just spiraled.

[Jordan]

The only person at fault for all of this is you. And somehow you're mad at everybody but that.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So I guess here's a trivia question.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Can you be New World Order?

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And America First?

[Jordan]

Ooh, I.

[Dan]

It.

[Jordan]

Well, I think you have to be, because the Old World Order is not America First. So all America first people. People are actually in the New World Order.

[Dan]

You know who the America first people hate? The lwo, The Luchador World Order. They really. Oh, God.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Alex Jones]

So there's a New World Order where we're trying to have an America first and bring jobs back and not be sold out to the globalist. That's everything I always wanted. That's a New World Order that we're promoting now. Now with Trump going sideways with this Iran stuff and things, there's a big battle about, do we just give the old New World Order a new paint job and a facelift? Is that what's really happening? Well, until recently, no, it was real change. I mean, just killing the carbon taxes alone. I just, just. It's. It's. It's so good.

[Dan]

So I think Duncan Trussell pointed out on our last episode that the term Orwellian gets thrown around too much. So I'm gonna join in on that and say America First, New World Order is Orwellian.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Also, Trump didn't kill any carbon tax. In August 2025, his administration released a memo that stated its opposition to a framework that was meant to incentivize shipping companies to shift to less polluting fuels, called the Net Zero Framework. Trump's administration succeeded in halting this plan from being implemented, but it still will be eventually, whether it's because of climate activism or modernization.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's.

[Dan]

This is dumb. Alex should ask some questions about the officials who released this memo, though, because the two top ones, you know, names right up there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Were Secretary of State Marco Rubio, who's a giant neocon and thrilled with Trump's current militarism. Sure. And Secretary of the Treasury Howard Lutnick. Who has deep connections to Epstein and who Alex has recently had to use as a scapegoat to explain why the Supreme Court ruled Trump's tariffs to be unconstitutional. Right. He claims that, like, the tariffs themselves were totally fine. Trump's cool. But Howard Lutnick intentionally wrote the executive order wrong to fuck Trump over later. That's his. That's his take on it.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Also, just a quick, fun reminder that one of the other people who signed onto this was our Secretary of Transportation, who was a cast member on Real World Boston in the late 90s.

[Jordan]

That's fun.

[Dan]

There aren't good guys doing the stuff that Alex likes in the Trump administration and bad guys doing all the globalist stuff stuff. It's the same people. Yeah, they're all the same.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I like the idea of a resistance. Right. But only one that does, like paper cut level resistance, you know, like, check this out. I'm going to put a typo in this order for the tariffs and then it'll be unconstitutional. But that's it. Right. Like, that's not really defiance. No, that's like, that's like pranks.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it's also intensely dumb because Howard Glutnik is in favor of that not being unconstitutional.

[Jordan]

Well, then it's a real big prank on everybody.

[Dan]

Mostly on Alex.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, but it weirdly, Alex is a prank on all of us.

[Dan]

It's not even a prank on Alex, though, because it kind of works in his advantage.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It gives him a fun storyline that keeps Trump on the fence.

[Jordan]

I mean, it is, it is wild how far you can truly go in service of lying to yourself. It is just astonishing.

[Dan]

It's true. So the truth, though, is, and Alex can't help but speak it, is that Trump is making evil decisions.

[Alex Jones]

When they say they wanted a new world order, they mean kill the old system that had some checks and balances and was at least, least on the surface, pro human and out of social contract. The attempt at eugenics and dumbing down and destroying civilization and making austerity be baked into what the government's based on and depopulation. That system's going out and we're attempting to bring in a new system that's about national sovereignty, freedom and justice.

[Jordan]

America, first world promise of Trump.

[Alex Jones]

And that's why it was so special and that's why I fought so hard for him and we've got so much done. And that's why it's so sad to see him increasingly now siding with the bad guys in just the last three Months or so. It's moving very, very quickly. And if he continues on this trajectory, if he keeps making these evil decisions, What are we supposed to do? I mean, oppose it. Say he's. He's bad, he's been compromised. Now you don't go. Not vote for the local congressman. That's voting against stuff Trump's wanting. That's why Trump's more worried about good Republicans that don't go along with him. Because if. Because that's the real power there. And if. And if the Republican Congress really did its job, they would be more popular than ever. More of them would be elected, and then it wouldn't matter what Trump did, because the power of the people through Congress would be manifest. And that's what I want. Don't go vote Democrat because you're mad at what Trump's doing. Don't take your ball and go home. Don't say you're going to, you know, just be independent now. That's exactly what they want. Wow. And I'm glad James woods clarified all that.

[Dan]

Yeah, it was helpful that he did that.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So if I'm following Alex's train of thought, the reason that Trump called Marjorie Taylor Greene a traitor and drove her out of Congress is because he's afraid of good people being in Congress who won't just go along with whatever he wants. Like covering up Epstein.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

What Alex really wants is a strong GOP majority in Congress, so it can serve as a check against the executive power that Trump is abusing.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Dan]

Thankfully for you and the audience. I've listened to a lot of infowars. Yeah. So I know about a little game called Problem Reaction Solution.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It's supposed to be how the globalists trick you into acting against your own interests.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

Tell me. So they cause a problem, which provokes a reaction in the public to demand a solution.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

From the start, the globalists plan was to put that solution into place, but they wouldn't have been able to in normal circumstances. So they had to cause that problem to trick you into thinking the solution was your idea.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

If you analyze Alex's rhetoric through this lens, it kind of becomes clear what his point is. What the problem is that Trump is an unjust check dictator who's starting on constitutional wars. Sure. Which is causing the reaction of the public demanding something. Check that power. Hmm. The solution, very conveniently, is voting Republican in the 2026 midterms, because if there's more good Republicans in Congress, they'll fix the whole Trump dictator thing. I'm not saying that Trump attacked Iran in order to get his base to turn on him in a brilliant chess move that will get him to vote GOP in the midterms. Sure. It's just meant to illustrate how Alex in the past would probably call Alex in the present a globalist Judas goat, trying to co opt the right wing to keep them asleep and not recognize the left right paradigm that's right in front of their face.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also to be clear, this whole what I really want is the people's will to be expressed through Congress act is an attempt to retreat back to the days of pretending that he wants things like states rights.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He and his white identity movement overplayed their hand with Trump and he's now been shown to basically just be the same neocon shit from the New World Order days with a fresh coat of paint. So Alex wants to try and reintroduce some political correctness. It's too late. He's already shown his whole ass. So it's very important that people don't let him or people like him make that kind of retreat Street. You said what you want. You acted on it. That's you now.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The I. The gall. The gall to say that's what they want you to do is not vote. They want us to not vote Republican. Now, admittedly, I have laid out all of the reasons that you shouldn't personally myself about this guy, but they want me to do that to try and trick you into thinking that you would vote Democrat. But I'm also here to tell you that you're actually going to vote gop because you are good Republicans and good Republicans rubber stamp Trump. Trump, who has done all of the evil things that we need good Republicans to stop him from doing. And if we get loyal ones in there who'll do what he's.

[Dan]

It doesn't really work. But it does if you just aren't paying attention. Because it's enough. Kind of like misdirection and hand stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That you start to be like, oh yeah, I do. I do need to hold strong and vote for these local candidates in these down ballot elections.

[Jordan]

Just. Just the gall of these people. Amazing.

[Dan]

Electoralism is important. And you're Alex Jones. Sure.

[Alex Jones]

What?

[Dan]

Yep. So the elites.

[Jordan]

Duncan Trussell didn't. You didn't have you on his show. Because you're the guy who's like, you still need to vote GOP in the midterms. They want us divided. Fuck off.

[Dan]

Yeah. Duncan, would you like to sign my petition? Right.

[Jordan]

Bullshit.

[Dan]

So the elites yeah. They don't want you involved. They don't want you going out there knocking on doors.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And trying to help those, those kindly GOP people who will hold Trump accountable in office.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

You know, this whole thing where you criticize Trump, you're a traitor. Or if you don't just attack Trump all day, you're, you're, you're, you're an agent. It's pure crap, folks. The political class does not want you engaged. You're all lobbyists, too. You got to go talk to Congress people, you've got to go to town halls, you've got to donate money to political campaigns. You've got to educate your family, donate to these people.

[Dan]

People.

[Alex Jones]

You've got to do all those things and support the talk show host and journalists to get the truth out. This is a war. Freedom isn't free. The Muslims, 90 plus percent of them give to major political campaigns. The average good old boy, maybe 5% give to campaigns. The lowest voting rate is farmers and ranchers and hunters. You know why? They live in town and work at the refinery. And the wife's got a job at school.

[Jordan]

And the farmers work at refineries.

[Alex Jones]

Got some horses and, hell, they want to go ride jet skis and go hunting. And you know what? America's going to be just fine, you know, because you're out there on the 40 acres and you got the American flag and you're good people and you go to church and. Yeah, you're not, you know, America's never going to, you know, and I love you. I know who you are. It's where I come from. But while you sit out there and think everything's okay, everything's burning down. It ain't okay, brother.

[Dan]

Hey, brother. Hollywood. Hulk Hogan calling people brother.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So based on what Alex just said in the previous clip, the elites and the political class who don't want you politically involved in knocking on doors and getting good people elected. That's Trump.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He's the one who doesn't want good people in Congress because they'll check his executive order.

[Jordan]

You're the one who said that.

[Dan]

Right? He's the one who said that, ass.

[Jordan]

Logically.

[Dan]

Also, also, all of those numbers Alex just cited are made up, and his cartoonish view of people who live in rural areas should probably offend them.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He thinks they're a bunch of idiots who won't get politically involved because they're fine with drinking a little moonshine at the fishing hole.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Incidentally, Trump's big election rigging Legislation, the Salvage American Voter Eligibility act, would wildly, disproportionately impact rural voters. In areas where there's less population density, there are fewer polling places, so people have to drive longer distances to vote. An elegant solution to this is voting by mail. But the SAVE act requires people show an ID to do that. The nearest polling place to your rural home might be as far as the nearest post office or wherever you could go to show your ID to vote by mail. So that bill adds a major hurdle for the good old hunters and farmers that Alex is pretending to care so much about. Also because I've listened to way too much of this fucking show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I know that that stat that he's talking about with hunters.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is from the mid-2000s interviewing Ted Nugent. No, Ted Nugent.

[Jordan]

Oh, come on.

[Dan]

He ran a thing trying to get.

[Jordan]

We did that episode. Yeah. More I remember it now.

[Dan]

He's just repeating that.

[Jordan]

God damn it. Ted Nugent. How is he still showing up and not being cited? God damn it.

[Dan]

Am so. I think. I think it's mean. I think what he said, what Alex is doing, is mean. That impression sucks.

[Jordan]

The idea of asking human beings to give money to any politician in this year boggles my mind. Boggles my mind.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I watched some of the State of the Union address and that was all I could do because they were there.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's. I don't know. I don't know what else you do if you engage with politics, then ask for donations. It's kind of par for the course, I guess. But I get your confusion. It's very. It's.

[Jordan]

It would weird. It's insulting. It's genuinely insulting.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think it's also, like, I don't. Look, I don't want to be sitting here standing up for the rural American or whatever from my apartment in Chicago. Sure. But I think that his view is really shit. And I also think that they did everything he wanted them to do.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

They turned out to the election overwhelmingly supported Trump. Why. Why is he. Why is he doing this? Like, why are you so. Why are you being mean to the rural folks?

[Jordan]

Because he's got to lash out at somebody, and again, it's everybody else's fault but his own.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So once he's gotten rid of yelling about Harris and yada, yada, sooner or later it's going to come back to the people who love him the most.

[Dan]

Yep. And that's exactly what this escalates.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Alex Jones]

Those people are the real problem because there's more of you than there are the scumbags. But you won't come out of your shell.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

Because, well, we're gonna watch the game tonight and grill steaks. I mean we work hard, we, we go to church. I mean, come on. Yeah, dog it, Alex. We gotta have a little fun around here. There's a rodeo tomorrow.

[Jordan]

That is a reasonable expectation.

[Alex Jones]

Town hall or I can't donate money. That political thing. I can't get registered to vote. I mean, you know, I, I, I served in the army five years. I'm done with this. I, I deserve a little time out here in the country. I got neighbors coming over, I gotta clean the swimming pool. And because you won't get engaged, we're in deep shit. Then you got all pill people that just everybody's an agent and everybody's screwed. Nobody's real but them. And we're all, and they don't really know anything politically. They all day. And go, look, J.D. vance said new World Order. He admits it's a global government. No, he just said the US running its own affairs, bringing jobs back, sovereignty. But it's a cheap trick to say, look, J.D. vance is new World Order now.

[Dan]

Oh my God, the black pill people that he's talking about are Nick Fuentes. Like he hangs out with him and has him on the show and calls him a genius and says he can see the future. Future. Like stop fucking telling us that you're mad at this guy that you love.

[Jordan]

And they're him in the past using the example of him talking about hw.

[Dan]

And I've got to say, yeah, I fucking hate that mentality that Alex is bringing to the rural people. Somehow Trump starting a war with Iran is the people in rural areas fault because they didn't vote enough and they want to enjoy their life? Better believe this is abusive even by infowars standards, where Alex has backed himself into a corner and he's hoping to distract from that by lashing out at the only segment of his audience that he thinks will never leave or he knows has already left because a lot of them were really old and they're probably dead. Yeah, I get that. Alex likes to think of himself as a down home country boy. So all this stuff can come off like him criticizing his own community. But he's been a multimillionaire for at least a decade and he hasn't faced any of the challenges that people living in rural communities he's deal with for probably his whole life. His dad was a successful dentist and then they lived next to a golf course in the affluent Dallas suburb Rockwall. And then he moved to the semi urban liberal hellhole of Austin and has lived there ever since. Yeah, like, this is bullshit. Doing this voice and trying to shit on rural people. Yep, it. Exactly what you said. It's just kicking the people that you think it's safe to kick. Kick. Yeah. Garbage.

[Jordan]

Yeah, man, that is. Yeah, that.

[Dan]

It's.

[Jordan]

It's like. It's that prosperity gospel shit.

[Alex Jones]

Right?

[Jordan]

The. The hook. The hook. You get. Give us money, then you know you'll get stuff. Right. When you don't get stuff, then it gets turned on you. Well, you didn't give us enough money. It is your fault. You didn't get stuff.

[Dan]

You didn't want it enough. It is.

[Jordan]

It is. We've got you coming and going. And once you've agreed to one pressure premise, you don't realize you've already agreed to the other premise. And so you're.

[Dan]

Yeah, you. At very least, you're setting yourself up to not make the right choice the second time around. And then you're definitely.

[Jordan]

And then you're definitely fucked.

[Dan]

So I think that Alex, like, I don't. I don't know. I don't want to get on a high horse and grandstand about, like, the country or whatever. Like, I grew up in central Missouri, Columbia, you know, like, it's a college town. It's not.

[Jordan]

I grew up in rural America.

[Dan]

Sure. Yeah, yeah. It's fine. Some. I had some contact with people who are, you know, like, straight up out in the country. Yeah, whatever.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

I'm not trying to pretend that I have access to something. I'm just saying that. That what he's doing sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's rude. And if I were a farmer, I would fuck him up.

[Jordan]

I mean, listen, even. Even then. Even then, maybe like 40 years ago, we could. We could have some sort of thing. They get the Internet now. They're just like everybody else. There's no difference between any of us. We're all Internet people now. They don't talk any different from anybody on TikTok because they're all on the Internet.

[Dan]

Well, the imaginary ones in Alex's head do.

[Jordan]

Right. From. From like 4,000 years ago, whenever. That's maybe what people sounded like if on the Catskill station. Ages.

[Dan]

Yeah. You know, like Dave Attell's impression of. So thankfully, we can cut through some of this.

[Jordan]

This. Yeah.

[Dan]

The New World order, Iran, all this horrible, horrible stuff, because we need to talk about the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And is Jared Kushner.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Is he the Antichrist? Yes.

[Alex Jones]

Jared Kushner is up to some very interesting behavior, running around with these different groups that are trying to move to get the Dome of the Rock there in Jerusalem turned into the Third Temple, which the Muslims would go to war over. And it's funny, some of the other things he's up to, Like paying twice what it was worth to get that 666 building in New York. People are saying he's the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, but if you're one of the Antichrist top demons, though, you start building the nest for Daddy to land.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Alex Jones]

Definitely getting ready for some evil stuff down the road. Not now. Is that in the future when he's going to spread those black wings?

[Dan]

I like that. Alex is saying that Jared Kushner is preparing the nest for Daddy.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because his stepdad is Trump.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then his literal dad is a guy who Trump pardoned for felonies.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So how are you gonna. How are you gonna condemn him as the top demon? Realistically here? Yeah, it's silly.

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't. I don't know how you can be. You know? You remember in the bone temple?

[Dan]

I do. I remember.

[Jordan]

Remember the bone temple? When we were watching the bone temple Temple. There's that moment where you saw through the eyes of an infected, and they saw a baby, and the baby was like.

[Alex Jones]

Ah.

[Jordan]

You know, like their psychosis kept them from seeing what was really there. And there has to be some associated thing to this, because everyone around them is comically evil. They are Captain Planet villains. We are talking about personified rat men walking around being like, I'm going to pollute things. That's the level of crazy evil we're dealing with. And Alex is still like, maybe it's Kushner.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

You know what? Maybe it's that little kid.

[Dan]

You know what? That guy is very publicly Jewish, and my anti Semitic friends are pointing a lot of fingers at him. Yep. So let's. Let's jump on that train.

[Jordan]

Weird how that works, isn't it?

[Dan]

Yeah, well, you know, you scapegoat.

[Jordan]

If you're so. In the Book of Revelation, tribulations. All right. Which is, as far as I understand it, our only knowledge about the literal Antichrist or the prophesied Antichrist. I don't recall a bunch of demons getting the nest ready. You know what I mean? There wasn't any need to really get, like, I guess the nest is ready on account of it being the Earth.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know.

[Dan]

No, it was in the. So revelation. Sure. Chapter 38.

[Jordan]

Chapter 38. Okay.

[Dan]

It's just childhood's end.

[Jordan]

Oh, that makes sense.

[Dan]

Yeah. So those demons were preparing the earth

[Jordan]

for, you know, like that makes a lot more sense than the Bible.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, childhood's end is biblical in the sense that it's words.

[Jordan]

I don't know. I like that. As just a non segment. Childhood's ends Biblical.

[Dan]

We all know it.

[Jordan]

We all know that.

[Dan]

It's been proven all over the place.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Cancer, psychic. And knowing your house guy. And childhood's end is biblical. Arthur C. Clark is.

[Jordan]

Arthur C. Clark is God.

[Dan]

So Alex comes back from break. Sure. And it turns out he's been meaning to talk about Jared Kushner being the Antichrist for about eight years now.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah. Oh my God.

[Alex Jones]

I thought about Hell, I have thought for eight, nine years about saying what I'm about to say here today on air. And I didn't do it previously just because I don't actually get into the weird esoteric stuff, the type of stuff people love. So many times when other people cover something, then I kind of get the blame for covering it. And it's not like I don't mind that. It's just that I like to stick with what we've got. Like we've got Jeffrey Epstein, a whole bunch of emails with the CIA, with Mossad, running isis, running Al Qaeda, you know, getting him money, getting him weapons to destabilize, kind of. And of course, as the top parallel commission member, he would be doing things like that. And there's new emails that they've dug out that are just incredible. That's meat and potatoes. But when you start getting into is Jared Kushner the devil or is he the Antichrist? That's quite a headline. I mean, that'll be viral right there. But I don't just do that because it's viral. I could do this stuff all day. The whole series is the Pope, the Antichrist, is Trump, the Antichrist is this person the Antichrist.

[Dan]

I'm not doing it to go viral. I'm doing it because I'm jealous of a TikTok that I saw that went viral. And I'm trying to steal some of that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Understand there's a difference.

[Jordan]

See, in one, if I put enough words in between my desire and the outcome, maybe you won't realize that it's exactly like the other one. I just put the desire and outcome really close.

[Dan]

Yeah. So first of all, that shit that he was saying is not meat and Potatoes. And the emails that Alex has for this Epstein story don't back up his claims.

[Alex Jones]

Wow.

[Dan]

Second, who is that? Disclaimer for? Anyone who listens to his show even a couple times, or has heard him guest on other cool people's podcasts knows that Alex gets very into esoteric bullshit. If you like Alex, then you like that, because he's been very clear that he thinks his enemies are controlled by invisible demons and that God tells him the future. When Alex talks like that, doing the I don't usually go in for this kind of crazy stuff act, it really just feels like him trying to convince himself that he's usually really serious, so he's earned the right to cover this esoteric story as a treat.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I can have a little sweet because I had my salad.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. To bring up, because it's on the mind. You're never gonna. You're never gonna get satisfaction out of these psychos. You know, like the. The guy who. The serial killer in the book that I was referencing. Like, they asked him, oh, why did you kill this guy? And he was like, oh, that guy had money in his pocket. So I wanted it. And it's like they wanted something bigger. They wanted him to be evil. They wanted something out of him. That's not just. I thought. And then I did, and there was no questioning in between, you know, and. And it's. It's just like, I hear that with Alex go, like, just right now, just everything about him just being like, well, I don't do this. This isn't my fault. That's everybody. Like, everything about him is just. He's never going to give it to you. He's never going to give you what you want. He's never going to stop and say, I was wrong about that. I am into this esoteric shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. I talk about it a lot.

[Jordan]

I love it. It is enjoyable.

[Dan]

I do magic. And my best friend Tucker Carlson was attacked in his sleep by a demon.

[Jordan]

You know what one of my favorite movies is? Star Wars. I love that shit. I like sci fi.

[Dan]

No, it's cheesy.

[Jordan]

I'm a huge fan. I'm a big nerd.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

I love it. I'm so grateful to say it out loud now. You're never going to get it. It's never going to happen.

[Dan]

And he's so insecure about that stuff that he has to, like, pretend not to be a jock around Duncan.

[Jordan]

This is like. It's. What is wrong with you?

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

Do anything but be yourself.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's kind of sad. And I think that, like, you know, you ask those serial killers the question and you get the unsatisfying answer. And I think the other version of that too is like, a lot of times I don't know if they could give you an answer. Sure. Like, I don't think if you asked Alex, it wouldn't even be a disappointing answer. I don't think he really understands where he's gone.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. The conclusion is going to be like, later on, a scientist is going to look at your brain and we're to going to go, oh, that's where we're at. Not you're, you're not going to tell me exactly what's going on.

[Dan]

Anyway, Kushner, they say that he's not part of the Trump administration, but he is. It's secret and Trump's lying about it.

[Alex Jones]

I was very pleased early on that he was sidelined during the campaign. They said he wasn't going to be big in the administration, but the reality is he is in the administration heavily and he just, he just flies under the radar radar. And he just comes off as kind of a vampire, like, character. Rarely talks. You know, when he does, it's very robotic. He makes my skin crawl. And then his actions do as well. But I had already seen a lot of this eschatology biblical research before about him. And I went and looked it up and it was accurate. Plus I already knew most of it biblically, so I knew it was accurate

[Jordan]

when I went, who is this for?

[Alex Jones]

But here's a young couple kind of joking around about it, but they do a good job covering.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Alex Jones]

Other than the Cheshire cat smiles on their faces. Because of course they're saying, oh, we don't mean, you know this to be mean or anything, but here it is. Or we're not saying this is prophecy, we're just saying here it is.

[Dan]

So instead of covering anything about Jared Kushner or covering the eschatology or the biblical.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's covering a TikTok video that's pretending to talk about Jared Kushner being the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

I mean, you can find a diamond in the rough. You know, maybe they do a great job. Maybe that's the only place that you can get really hard hitting information about how Jared Kushner is the Antichrist.

[Dan]

I'm not particularly interested in can or can't. I will tell you. It doesn't.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

Yeah, maybe there are some fucking banger tiktoks out there. I don't even know if this is bad, I don't know, who knows, they might even be joking. It could be fucking. No, TikTok, I don't take seriously. People are all fucking around on there, right. It's all, everyone's sarcastic these days.

[Jordan]

Also there's. You should know so much more about, about the Antichrist. If the Antichrist is the son in law of your guy.

[Dan]

No, he's not the Antichrist. That's not Alex's point.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He's just a fucking big old demon.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He's not the Antichrist. Right. It's the same way you feel about Alex.

[Jordan]

I understand, you know, but the, but the thing is, presumably at the very least Trump's daughter likes him. I mean, again, we don't know how rich people work. Maybe it's, maybe they're like from the 1700s and this is a marriage of convenience and their children will marry their houses and then winter is coming or some shit like that. I don't know if that's how it works.

[Dan]

Yeah, but presumably, I don't think, I don't think Baron is the king in the North.

[Jordan]

It's unlikely to see that conclusion of the, of the series.

[Dan]

I, I, look, yeah, I don't, I don't think that there's a possible way that I believe that Donald John Trump does not like Jared.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't know, I don't care. I presume that they're like, his marriage is fine. Yeah. His father in law clearly has accepted him into the family.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And gave him a position in government and pardoned his dad for felonies.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So like, I think he, they, they

[Jordan]

got something at the very least. I don't, I mean, I, you know, like, I don't know if Trump can like a human being in the way that other human beings like human beings, you know, but whatever it is he does, he's expressing affection for this, he's

[Dan]

doing a good thing.

[Jordan]

Right. So if his son in law is a demon, then at the very least he is unaware that his son in law is a demon. And that is a problem.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

The son in law being a demon. Demon is lesser in terms of the problems we have than the father not knowing that the son in law is a demon.

[Dan]

If the father in law doesn't know the son in law is a demon.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

He's like that old king in Lord of the Rings.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

He's all like.

[Jordan]

And then Wormtongue is all like.

[Dan]

And that's dangerous.

[Jordan]

But it's Saruman who, I mean, fuck it, why not let's go with Putin.

[Dan]

Can I say yeah, clopidy clopidy cross. We're going to the shire actually.

[Jordan]

Yes you can. That is allowed. So

[Dan]

when you're dealing with the end times and the end of the world and Jesus return, it's usually best just to let it play out.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean that regardless of what you do or don't do, it will play out.

[Dan]

But I do think I agree with Alex in a sense.

[Jordan]

Okay, I get what you're saying, that

[Dan]

it's foolish wish to try and force God to come back.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Alex Jones]

But I want to explain something about the Antichrist. The Bible says there have been many Antichrists. There's the final. There's an Antichrist spirit demonically inclined and involved in all this stuff. They mimic the Bible. They believe that, that, that, that it's their master plan and that actually they're going to get power in the end. So they actually fulfill the prophecy themselves. So just because Kushner's running around trying to fulfill the prophecy prophecy and trying to push God to speed up his timeline, that's what the Christian Zionists are saying. So they're teaching in the God doesn't

[Jordan]

have a timeline or military to be

[Alex Jones]

the concept of time but to teach him. No, no, we're speeding up the timeline. We're pushing to make, you know, Christ come back. We're, we're pushing to go ahead and have the war with the Muslims. Now I say we contain them and all the rest of it and let God work on his timeline. Anybody thinking you're going to manipulate the timeline and you're going to make God show up like you're calling doordash, that's really dangerous. And Christ talked about that a lot. He said anybody saying they are the time. Anybody that tells you what they know what's going to happen, Those people are of the devil. Okay, So I do not pretend to know God's master plan. I can see it in hindsight, how the Lord works in mysterious ways.

[Dan]

You absolutely pretend to know God's plan in advance.

[Jordan]

That's one of the biggest things you pretend to know to do.

[Dan]

Yes. You talk about it all the time.

[Jordan]

You say you saw God's plan. God shared his plan with you.

[Dan]

Yeah. Over chicken fried steak and maybe an iced tea or a beer maybe at closing time.

[Jordan]

Oh man, this is very frustrating. This is a frustrating episode. It is, it's very, it's gaslighty than it has been in a while.

[Dan]

That's true, that's true. And I think that I'm taking issue with a number of things in them in a way that I haven't in the past. Yeah, I'm really resentful. Resentful.

[Jordan]

This. This is making me resentful. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I would say this. If we're ever in a position where any public policy decision or possible military action is predicated on trying to lure Jesus to return, the government might not be salvageable. Like, if that's where we're at, we might need to just. I mean, like, an edge of sketch.

[Jordan]

Listen, you're. You're speaking awful close to my language, my friend.

[Dan]

So here's something I don't get about these end times, dipshits. Sure. The Bible is very clear that no one knows when Jesus is coming back. So it's literally the one thing you shouldn't waste your time thinking about.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You literally cannot change God's mind with your actions, or else that dude's not God. So don't worry about trying to trick him into appearing by fighting with Islam.

[Jordan]

Tricking God is usually never a. How about this? At no point in time does God welcome you into heaven after you've tricked.

[Dan]

Good one.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit. You got me, bro. Get on in here.

[Alex Jones]

Come on.

[Dan]

One exception.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

George Clooney, because he's a prankster.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's true.

[Dan]

So while I'm on this subject and talking about a little bit of this bullshit, there's no war between good and evil. And on the off chance that there is, no one needs to worry about it. If one side is headed up by God, the sole creator of everything that exists, and the other side is run by the devil, who's one of God's creations, then good is never going to lose that eternal battle.

[Jordan]

It's kind of how it works.

[Dan]

You're a monkey in clothes. So even assuming that all the religious stuff is real, the best you can do is worship God, be nice to the people around you, and live your life. If you're in a rural area, maybe go to a rodeo, have fun.

[Jordan]

Have fun.

[Dan]

Calm it the fuck down.

[Jordan]

Have a parade.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is dumb.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I. It is funny how much. How much effort there is to go into to avoid just going like, oh, so if there's a God, who's the God that you say, then I should just relax.

[Dan]

Mm. Okay. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's all.

[Alex Jones]

But.

[Jordan]

But everything else about it is but to drive you into fervor.

[Dan]

Fervor.

[Jordan]

A religious fervor, if you will, that is. Then why you buy things.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Like Methylene blue.

[Jordan]

Yeah. When you could just relax.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we got to get to some of the. The details on Jared Kushner and how he is a big old demon.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, I remember when he bought that building, 666 there in most expensive street in the world.

[Dan]

World forgot the street.

[Alex Jones]

It wasn't even really for sale to have it. They said, okay, here's this price. He said, yes, I want it. 666 Boardwalk, Park

[Jordan]

Atlantic.

[Alex Jones]

Creepy. And I'm not saying he's the Antichrist, which I don't think he is, but he. He's pro. I mean, he just oozes evil energy, though. And the point is, if you got a demon down here paving the way for the Antichrist, you're going to see it doing all this Antichrist work and say, is that the Antichrist? And I'd say, no, it's more like the Antichrist secretary. But yes, Jared Kushner is an agent of Satan. Let's go to the club.

[Dan]

Yeah. Jared Kushner is an agent of Satan. All right, so Jared Kushner's family business, Kushner Company, they bought the building at 666 Fifth Avenue in Manhattan in 2007. Basically, what's going on here is that this building is a flagrant example of Trump and his family using US Foreign policy to enrich themselves. So instead of talking about all of that, Alex is trying to divert his audience's attention off into fantasy lands about him being the devil's secretary. Here's the condensed version of this story. Kushner companies bought the building just before the financial crisis hit and real estate prices took a huge deal dive. So pretty soon after buying it, they were underwater. And the property, like the debt that they had on it, was higher than the value of the tower.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They rent out space as they can, but they're losing money. And it looks like they're never going to be able to sell the building for anything close to what they paid for it. Then in 2015, Trump is running for president and is Jared's father in law. Jared and his convicted felon turned Trump pardon recipient Father Charles begin negotiating with the former Prime Minister of Qatar, Carr, who's also the head of the country's sovereign wealth fund. This deal falls through, but in 2018, the Kushners are able to get a $1.1 billion bailout from Brookfield Asset Management, who took out a 99 year lease on the building and paid up front. The Qatari sovereign wealth fund is the second largest partner in the Brookfield Asset Management and other companies linked with the government of Qatar, lent or invested. Invested hundreds of millions of dollars with Kushner. There's speculation that Kushner used his relationship with Trump as leverage to make this deal to bail out his building, including his support for a Saudi blockade of Qatar in 2017. That was based on an accusation that Qatar was aiding Iran. Sure, Even if there isn't overt dealings or pressure being applied here. This shit is shady as hell, and even Alex knows that. Yeah, but Trump is complicit in that shadiness, and he always was. So it's key to distract on this subject off into some dumbass demon talk so everyone's too entertained to realize how badly Trump is fucking them over. Yeah, that's great.

[Jordan]

I mean, they got you coming and going, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, and he's just becoming too sloppy. It's just not good.

[Jordan]

No. Okay, so if you're the. If you're the Antichrist, do you know you can't win? Right. Because you've got the Bible, presumably. I mean, you're alive. You're alive, you're. You're alive.

[Dan]

Angsty as hell.

[Jordan]

Right? You've got the Bible. You go, oh, that's me. Fuck. Do you think maybe I got this one? I know this book says some bullshit, but you know what? It also said some other bullshit about my. My dad. I think I can take him.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that, you know, it all comes down to whether or not the Antichrist has free will.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Because if the Antichrist does have free will, then maybe he could make a different decision, but he can't have free

[Jordan]

will because he's got to be the Antichrist. He can't choose not to. Antichrist.

[Dan]

He has the definite article in front of his.

[Jordan]

You bet.

[Dan]

Name is the.

[Jordan]

He's the.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's just. I mean, it's. It's, you know, you feel for him. He's in binding.

[Jordan]

I do feel for the Antichrist. Not many people do that. Yeah, not many people have empathy for the guy who can't not choose to kill everybody.

[Dan]

Everybody's got sympathy for the Devil. No one has empathy for the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

He was just a poor boy raised by the Devil. It's not his fault.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

And the Devil's all out there, hot dogging and fiddle contests.

[Jordan]

I'm sick of people shitting all over the Antichrist.

[Dan]

Christ. So anyway, Jared Kushner is just a big old demon. And we have one last clip, and it's Alex ruminating on how he might not be here. Soon because his business might go away any day now.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So you got to buy his.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. There's going to come a time very soon. People don't take me serious because we survive so much. You're going to tune in and Infowars won't be there and you'll be. Where are we? We'll be at Real Ox Jones on X. We'll be at Rumble, the Al show show. We'll have new websites already built. You'll see it all. But it's bigly that's paying for all of that at the Alex Jonestore.com. and we have a deal that ends tomorrow night where you can get Ultra methylene blue for 50 off. Oh, we have the March mega sale that goes the 17th up to 40% off on all the other great products. The Bovine Colostrum. Not a sexy name. It does incredible things.

[Dan]

I. Yeah, I don't think, I don't think that it's gonna work. Like, I don't, like, I don't think Colostrum. Well, I don't know. But based on Alex's track record. No, I don't think.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well, I mean it would be wise to assume it does it.

[Dan]

I agree it's not sexy.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

But I don't think that people are gonna go along. I think he's really fucked up. Like he's so unlucky that he didn't go off air like six months ago.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's really, really bad luck for him that he's had to cover Trump attacking Iran and it going this way.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

While he still has Infowars.

[Jordan]

I mean, can you imagine how easy it would be if one they, they came in, barred the doors, took the mic out of your hand while you're on air. Ah, you can do that thing. Then you go away for a while, you watch this shit go down, you come back flame throwing. I'm now the huge anti Trump guy. I didn't have to eat it while everybody else just fucking ate it.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Ate shit from him all day, every day. He could have been gone and then come back. Yeah, Gotta go away, man.

[Dan]

Obviously I don't want like, you know, I don't want to ever have the perspective of, hey, it's good that he didn't get put out of business sooner.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But I do think that it's hurt him more than if he had gone away.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Like this, this is, I, I think that everyone is going to be turned off. He seems stupid. He's making points like you fucking rural people are to Blame for Trump bombing Iran.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, this is just shit. He's.

[Jordan]

He's mean to the wrong people.

[Dan]

He's run out.

[Jordan]

He's run out of people to be mean to y. And then you. And that. And on the. On the heels of that, to try and get people to migrate to a different platform is just. It's impossible.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

People. People don't do that. Even if you haven't disappointed them and misery in horrible ways.

[Dan]

Yeah. If you're trying to do audience migration, you need to do it at the crest of a wave.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, if you're.

[Jordan]

I wouldn't try.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

No one's excited. Anyway, we'll be back and see. Uh,

[Jordan]

let's go to the past forever. Let's just fly there.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

You bring the rocks?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I. I think it's funny that Stefan Molyneux is back. That really charms me.

[Jordan]

Does that tickle you?

[Dan]

Well, it's not so much that he's back, it's what that means. Yeah, that he's been gone this whole.

[Jordan]

Exactly. That he can come back. And what it means, like, if he was just gone, that means something. That he can come back means something very different.

[Dan]

He never stopped making a show.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

He just wasn't welcome.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Good times.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Dan]

So we'll see. But until then, we have. We have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's Knowledge Fight Dot com.

[Dan]

Yep. We'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am mysterious professor.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex roller.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

[Dan]

Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.