#1125: March 16, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight Episode #1125: March 16, 2006

Release Date: March 16, 2026
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Theme: Revisiting the March 16, 2006 Alex Jones Show, examining the themes, contradictions, and historical context of Alex’s worldview, with a special focus on his pop culture obsessions, “posing,” Israel, and his own sense of self-importance.

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Episode Overview

This special twentieth-anniversary episode finds Dan and Jordan analyzing Alex Jones’ March 16, 2006 broadcast. The pair explore Jones’s fixation on pop culture, his shifting views on executive power, deep contradictions in his stances on Israel and antisemitism, and a recurring motif: Jones railing against “posers”—while embodying the very idea himself. The episode also features discussions of music, reality TV, dystopian fiction, and the enduring challenge of parsing hindsight.

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Key Segments and Discussion Points

1. Celebrating Survivors, Star Wars, and Bright Spots

(00:59–07:03)

• Hosts' Bright Spots:

  • Dan opens with an ongoing assessment of the new Survivor season, conceding previous harshness and lauding new cast members: “I think that I was a little bit harsh on Survivor…there's some really fun people on this season.”
    • Memorable Moment (03:16): “Christian sent the Billie Eilish boomerang idol to Aubrey, which was a big choice. That's a big move in theory.”
  • Jordan’s bright spot is discovering The George Lucas Talk Show’s live Star Wars script readings, with particular love for the holiday special’s joyful chaos and JoJo Ginn’s R2D2: “She gets better over time. It's clear that she, like, cares.”

• Recurring In-Jokes:

  • Nostalgic riffs on 2000s pop culture, Survivor gameplay, and the uniqueness of the Star Wars Holiday Special.

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2. Anniversary, Time, and Layered Nostalgia

(09:08–10:29)

• The episode marks both the actual date (March 16, 2026) and the twentieth anniversary of the broadcast they're reviewing, causing the hosts to joke about time paradoxes and universe-folding:
  • Jordan (09:47): “Like if you were folding time, this would be the moment where the things touch.”
  • Alex Jones impression (10:12): “It's a 13 going on 30 situation. I've created a singularity.”

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3. Setting the Table: Posers, Pop Culture, and Boston Legal

(10:46–21:31)

• Alex’s “Red Alert” Opener Turns to Pop Culture:

  • Rather than the geopolitics Dan hopes for, Alex focuses on the Austin band Cruiserweight and a “big review” of A Scanner Darkly – highlighting his odd use of “avant garde.”
  • Dan and Jordan analyze Cruiserweight’s Austin pop-punk status and theorize Alex’s engagement is superficial, perhaps manager-initiated.

• Hollywood Self-Mythologizing:

  • Alex’s cameo in A Scanner Darkly is oversold as almost cinematic co-authorship; Linklater’s later statements show Alex was considered a local oddity, not a creative consultant.

• Boston Legal, 24, and Occult Narratives:

  • Alex claims these shows “slip out” anti-New World Order messages, painting TV writers as reluctant warriors against advertiser influence.
  • Memorable quote (19:30): “Boston Legal has put out a lot of pro New World Order stuff in the past. And what they're having to do now is put out some anti New World Order stuff or lose all credibility.”

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4. Executive Power, Bush, and Manufactured Scandals

(21:39–26:18)

• Bush as Despot (22:06):
  • Alex lambasts Bush for signing a bill not passed by Congress, calling it “despotism,” but Dan clarifies the reality of the Medicare/Deficit Reduction Act flap: “It’s not so much an allegation that Bush is signing non existent bills. It’s more that a Democratic representative is accusing the GOP…of not following the rules… Alex doesn’t know the difference. Or care.”
  • Discussion devolves into whether overreaction preserves norms—or hands ammunition to liars.

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5. Alex’s Hypocrisy on “Posers” and Identity

(26:34–34:04)

• Anti-Poser Rant with Racial Undertones:
  • Alex claims to look down on posers, describing adults as “mind control zombies” dressing up as exemplars of stereotypes—cowboys, hippies, “gang memberish non-white persons.”
  • Jordan commentary (31:17): “What Alex is describing is he doesn’t like people who aren’t exactly him…and his problem with him is he doesn’t like them.”
  • The hosts quickly expose Alex’s own posing, adopting Rush Limbaugh country shtick or “crusading against the New World Order” as an identity veneer.

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6. Christianity, Speech, and Introduction of Dale Crowley

(34:12–41:02)

• Alex Positions Himself:
  • “I’m not a Bible thumper…I do love God and I’m a Christian…this is a news program.” This stance, Dan and Jordan note, is tactical—designed to appear reasonable and court a wider audience.
  • Sets up an interview with Dale Crowley, local radio host purportedly fired for “criticizing Israel,” a narrative lifted from antisemitic sources (American Free Press). In reality, Crowley’s marginal public access show was only partly dropped, not for criticism, but for its specific content.

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7. Antisemitism, Israel, and “Greater Israel”

(41:51–58:33)

• Crowley Interview and Classic Antisemitic Tropes:

  • Crowley describes being “untouchable, telling the truth” and now “the canary in the coal mine” for “Greater Israel.”
  • Alex gleefully platforming these talking points: “Pretty soon it will be Greater Israel here.”
    • Dan (43:36): “What the fuck are you talking about? …because this guy has to prerecord, that means we’re about to become Greater Israel?”

• Scofield, Dispensationalism, and “Khazarian” Jews:

  • Crowley blames “Scofield dispensationalism” for Christians supporting Israel, and Alex signals that most “Ashkenazi Jews…aren't even really Jews to begin with,” referencing centuries-old anti-Jewish conspiracy lore.
  • Crowley: “Everything that the Bible is against Jewish leaders are on the front lines. I'm talking about sodomy, pornography, abortion, revolutionism…These outrageous occultic, satanic things that the Jews are into and they're proud of it.”
  • Dan (57:39): “This isn’t about political shit. …it’s about hating Jewish people.”

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8. Loops of Contradictions: Israel, Nazism, and Self-Justification

(59:19–65:34)

• Bush, Waxman, and Misunderstood Scandal:

  • Alex rails against a “$2 billion bank robbery,” but as Dan explains, his own policy preferences (defunding Medicare) make his populist outrage a pose.
  • Typical Jones rhetorical con-game: if he’s right, vindication; if not, his warnings saved the day.

• MySpace as Censorship Trap (63:42–65:41):

  • Alex claims his new MySpace account is about “exposing MySpace”—while enjoying its full benefits, rigging the narrative so he can never lose.
  • Dan (65:41): “This is the perfect scam for Alex…his career is a carnival game.”

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9. A Scanner Darkly: Self-Inflation and Missed Opportunities

(68:01–77:23)

• Alex’s Review Is All Hype, No Substance:

  • Long-promised review of A Scanner Darkly never materializes, devolving instead into self-mythologizing.
  • Claims he was invited by Linklater (dodging with “the director and others”) and “consulted” on the film’s “high tech police state gadgetry.”
    • Jordan (74:23): “No, no, no…Not in a big deal…But the film wouldn't work without me. That's all I’m trying to say over here.”

• Insecure Boasting, “Prominent” Cameo:

  • “And I appear prominently in the film. I'm going to appear even more prominently in the dvd, which DVD is now bigger than theatrical releases, so that'll be exciting, too.” (75:19)
  • Dan notes, with empathy, the sadness in Alex’s inability to simply enjoy a legitimate, if small, achievement—he has to inflate it, to pose.
    • Dan (76:55): “It’s cool to be in a Richard Linklater movie…there's nothing to be embarrassed about…Just take the win. It’s a win.”

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Notable Quotes & Timestamp Highlights

• On Pop Culture and Survivor
  • Dan: “Survivor…there’s some really fun people on this season.” (02:01)
• On Time Paradoxes
  • Jordan: “Like if you were folding time, this would be the moment where the things touch.” (09:47)
• On Posing/Identity
  • Alex Jones: “I'm not a poser…Posers aren't just posing for the public, they're posing for themselves.” (26:51)
• On Racialized Anti-Poser Rants
  • Alex Jones: “…Not some gang memberish, giggling, non white person movie with their punked out clothes hanging down around their ankles.” (31:57)
• On Israel and Antisemitism
  • Dale Crowley: “Everything that the Bible is against Jewish leaders are on the front lines…I expose that on the program…These outrageous occultic, satanic things that the Jews are into and they're proud of it.” (56:48)
• On Self-Inflation and Scanner Darkly
  • Alex Jones: “I consulted on the film for some of the high tech police state gadgetry for the future…not in a huge way.” (72:43)
  • Alex Jones: “And I appear prominently in the film. I'm going to appear even more prominently in the dvd…” (75:19)
• On Enjoying Success
  • Dan: “There's nothing to be embarrassed about. Just being in one scene. Totally…Just take the win. It's a win. It's really cool.” (76:55)

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Thematic Takeaways

• The Inescapability of “Posing”:
  Alex Jones builds his public persona on condemning posers while continually shaping and reshaping his own identity to fit whatever narrative protects his ego and business interests.
• Pop Culture as Subtext:
  Despite railing against the mainstream, Alex is steeped in pop culture—using TV, music, and movies as ongoing sources for his worldview and as mechanisms for self-importance.
• Antisemitism and the Shifting Target:
  The episode starkly highlights the enduring role of antisemitic conspiracism in the earliest and current forms of far-right broadcasting, with Jones’ stance virtually unchanged across twenty years despite rhetorical contortions.
• The Game is Always Rigged:
  Whether discussing social media, executive power, or his own career, Alex never loses—by design. He rigs the narrative so he is always the persecuted rebel fighting a shadowy elite.
• Reflecting on Hindsight:
  Dan and Jordan repeatedly circle back to the limitations of hindsight as a lens for understanding these conspiratorial movements, contrasting the lessons that could have been learned with the reality of what actually changed.

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:59 — Hosts' “Bright Spots”: Survivor and Star Wars script readings
• 09:47 — Meta-jokes on the podcast’s anniversary and time loops
• 13:16 — Alex reviews Scanner Darkly; “avant garde” defined
• 21:39 — Bush, executive power, and confusion over a Medicare bill
• 26:34 — Alex’s anti-“poser” tirade with racial undertones
• 34:12 — Christianity, Dale Crowley, and the setup for antisemitic narratives
• 41:51 — Crowley interview: “Greater Israel,” Scofield, and antisemitic tropes
• 59:19 — Raw Story segment: Medicare bill misrepresented
• 63:38 — Alex on MySpace: testing censors while using the system
• 68:01 — The long-awaited (and disappointing) Scanner Darkly review
• 72:43 — Self-aggrandizement: Alex’s alleged “consultant” role
• 75:19 — Boasting about his “prominent” cameo and the DVD

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Conclusion

Through analysis and laughter, Dan and Jordan use this retrospective dive into the March 16, 2006 Alex Jones Show to illuminate core features of Jones’s persona—his circular logic, poseur hypocrisy, race-fueled scapegoating, manipulative self-mythology, and historical revisionism. The episode is an engrossing exploration not just of Jones, but of the foundational stories, insecurities, and tactics that continue to drive far-right movements today.

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Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight.

[Dan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

I am sweating knowledgefire.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge fight. Knowledge fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and George.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight.

[Dan]

Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy in Kansas.

[Dan]

Andy. Andy.

[Alex Jones]

Stop it.

[Jordan]

Andy and Kansas.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word.

[Dale Crowley]

Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, I think, you know, the end of the month is halfway here and

[Jordan]

we are in the ides.

[Dan]

And next month things might be different.

[Jordan]

It's possible.

[Dan]

But March, I gotta go first.

[Jordan]

It's always you in March.

[Dan]

So that's the tradition and I'm gonna stick to it.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And this. This bright spot that I have is a little bit of a correction.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I think that I was a little bit harsh on Survivor.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right, we're back at it.

[Dan]

I think there's, you know, Jeff Probst rapid rapping was a disaster, and I think it's unforgivable. And I will. As I was editing that episode.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I heard myself say it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I immediately was like, that didn't happen. I replayed the beginning of the episode to make sure. To make sure I had so bad.

[Jordan]

It really did happen.

[Dan]

It did.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

But look, there's some really fun people on this season. I really enjoy a fair amount of this cast.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I love seeing Q again. He's great.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He is a chaotic player that his strategies are all over the place. No one would ever think to do the things he's doing. And I enjoy it.

[Jordan]

Has anybody made any big moves? Has. Has anybody. Has anybody come up with an overarching strategy? And they're. They're like, hey, we've got a whole thing and we're ready to take it on? Or is it all just kind of. Is everybody kind of still doing 8th grade dance? Like we're waiting to find out who's partnering up? Kind of situation at the beginning.

[Dan]

You know, we're only a couple episodes in the beginning. Big moves are kind of hard to make sure because the stakes are really survival. Make it to the merge.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The merge is really where.

[Jordan]

That's where the big moves happen.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

I think that's where you're gonna find the impressive flashy gameplay.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

But, you know, I think people have. It's all about restricting information.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

At the beginning. Like there's in group out, group kind of stuff.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. That's the beginning of the clicks.

[Dan]

Yeah. You want to have your numbers in the tribe.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like it's seven people you want for.

[Jordan]

Got it.

[Dan]

So, you know, choosing who you're giving information to and sharing stuff with and keeping things from. Those are the moves that people make Beginning.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And I think there's some bold choices.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But like, not much. Not much. Christian sent the Billie Eilish boomerang idol to Aubrey, which was a big choice. That's a big move in theory.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

But it might. It might not. It might not turn into anything.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's. I just. Those. Those idols really got to pay off. At least one of them has to pay off with the boomerang aspect. Otherwise that's gonna be really frustrating.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Jordan]

If none of them. If they all just get used, like, even just regular idols, that's still bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's no boomerang aspect to it that

[Jordan]

it just hit a tree or one has to boomerang.

[Dan]

Although I will say this. Okay. Here's my positive.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

In the last episode, we learned that Mike White, the guy who made White Lotus, White Lotus and School of Rock, he knows Ozzy from a restaurant in la.

[Jordan]

That'll happen.

[Dan]

Ozzy, the king of the water, who is the best swimmer in Survivor history.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And also did some porno. Sure. He also owns a restaurant that Mike White has gone to in Los Angeles and their friends.

[Jordan]

Because Mike White is a Survivor super fan. So of course he was like. He owns a restaurant. Yeah, I'll go there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

So that's fun.

[Jordan]

That is fun.

[Dan]

Anyway, what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is I have. I discovered finally, after you having told me about them several times over the past few years, the live readings of Star wars by. Produced by the George Lucas talk show.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, sure. Connor's not in all of them.

[Jordan]

Not at all.

[Dan]

Watto is not in all of them.

[Jordan]

Does it does a pre. For those who aren't aware of Connor. Now, Connor is in one heavily.

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

He is in the Star wars holiday Special. And my friend, that is fucking dynamite.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I love that shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's. He's. His spirit is in all of that.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yes. He is a main player in the holiday special. And no matter how many times I have seen it, I refuse to remember everything that happens in the holiday special.

[Dan]

Pretty crazy.

[Jordan]

I've seen it probably 10, maybe 12 times.

[Dan]

Where we met Boba Fett.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Just. And I. And every time, I'm like, well, this clearly didn't actually happen. This is like some sort of artifact that fell from a universe where. Shazam. You know what I'm saying? Like, this is. This has got to be a global hallucination, because it can't be real.

[Dan]

Nope.

[Jordan]

And it is.

[Dan]

It is.

[Jordan]

It is uninterrupted, unsubtitled, Wookiee speech for a long time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Amazing.

[Dan]

Yeah. That's one of the fun things about it being a script reading.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is like, there's the. Like, there's the real intent that comes through.

[Jordan]

Oh, is that what they were saying? How about that? I thought Itchy was just a grump.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's also, you know, there's some things that are, like, through lines of those. Those live readings that are really fun. Like, the person playing R2D2 beeps and boops.

[Jordan]

JoJo Ginn.

[Dan]

So good. She's.

[Jordan]

And she gets better over time. It's clear that she, like, cares.

[Dan]

Yeah. But there's a thousand little fun things about those. Like, Vic Michaelis is amazing. Sure. Everybody's great.

[Jordan]

Matt Gorley is all across the board. Fantastic.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Just truly great.

[Dan]

You could just tell that he was like, I really think I can nail this Trade Federation voice.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Just. There is. There was a way to go, and it was a bad way. And then there's another way to go, and it's doing a Southern character, and that is the correct way.

[Dan]

So now we have once again spoken so highly of something that the George Lucas talk show people are involved with

[Jordan]

and never, never, never gonna speak to us.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

What you gonna do?

[Dan]

Oh, well, keep up the good work, guys.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. Alex's obviously having a tough time with the Iran war. Sure. And we'll see. We'll see what's. What's up with that?

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

But first, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

That's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, a tiny doe. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm A policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Next. If it bleeds, we can make a supplement out of it. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

I'm a policy wonk, thank you very much.

[Dan]

And I've been a secret wonk for two years and I can't stay silent anymore. Haribo is pronounced Quokka. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Dan]

And we got a technocrat in the mix, Jordan. So thank you so much to abracadabra Boom, Shock a day. I'm Dan Friesen and I'm back like a vertebrae. I come with a hat full of tricks, Trunk full of methylene blue, car full of documents. Thank you so much. You're an Iot technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Dan]

Four star.

[Alex Jones]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent.

[Jordan]

He's a loser.

[Alex Jones]

Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Jar Jar Binks didn't have a Caribbean accent in the live reading. Now.

[Jordan]

He did not. He did not. Wise to keep that away from him. Yeah, I was, but, man, Daffy Duck is a good voice. That's a good choice.

[Dan]

I read that technocrat name as if it was going to all rhyme because the shock a day and vertebrae tricked me into thinking it all was going to have an A B. I believe

[Jordan]

it's a Juggalo reference.

[Dan]

Oh, whoop, whoop.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Whoop, whoop.

[Jordan]

I believe we should be Whoop, whoop.

[Dan]

I apologize if I didn't get that.

[Jordan]

I didn't get it.

[Dan]

I don't like their music.

[Jordan]

I'm not a big musical Juggalo fan. I'm more of a community guy.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, Jordan, Alex has been struggling in the present day. There's a lot of stuff that's happening, and the people he likes are doing things that are indefensible in terms of his. His. His ideology. Sure. And it pains me that we're gonna have to keep talking about it.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God. Oh, my God. What's that? Oh, my God. Is that the past? Oh, my God.

[Dan]

It's the past. We're going to the past.

[Jordan]

All right. Thank God.

[Dan]

Yeah. We're going to be talking about 3, 16, March 16, 2006. All right. Stone cold Steve Austin day in the past.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And get this.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

This episode is coming out on 3. 16, 20, 26. The 20th anniversary of the episode that we're listening to on this show. And that's why I did the glass.

[Jordan]

Well, you got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Absolutely. It's worth it. It's worth the pageantry.

[Dan]

Layers.

[Jordan]

Yeah. 20 years.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Same day. Like. Like if you were folding time, this would be the moment where the things touch.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Maybe we. Maybe this. Oh, my God. The things I've touched. I wonder if this was. If we were doing a bad movie. This would be the moment where we, like, transport ourselves back into a. What? What is it? 13 going on 30 situation? Is that what I'm doing?

[Alex Jones]

Oh, my God.

[Jordan]

It's a 13 going on 30 situation. I've created a singularity. Oh, my God. This is a time paradox, man. I gotta be Jamie Lee Curtis in this one.

[Dan]

I think I'll be Jim Ross. Okay, so we're back on in 2006.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

316.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And we've been dealing with a fair amount of Slobodan Milosevic we've had in the past. And I will tell you that this episode has nothing to do with him.

[Jordan]

It's a Fastadon Milosevic.

[Dan]

Yes, we are past a Don Milosevic.

[Jordan]

All right, nice.

[Dan]

But we do start with a clip of Alex saying something that he would not want to take responsibility for in the present.

[Jordan]

Uh oh.

[Alex Jones]

Belarus says US planned school bombings on election day. Are we to believe this? The Russians wrote the modern book on doing this. And so would the United States be involved in a bombing? Yes, certainly to blame it on enemies, but Russia likes to do it too. The Belarusians, I guess you could call them, have been known to do it. I mean, who doesn't really? So we'll have to research this and hindsight normally will let us learn if it's the case, but we're not sure right now. But I will get into this article out of Moscow News.

[Dan]

So, yeah, the Russians, they like to. False flag bomb stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That wasn't supposed to be happening in 2006.

[Jordan]

I do appreciate the hindsight normally allows us to do something because that's a loaded concept, the hindsight in 2006. And now we're in that, like, what, in hindsight? Hindsight doesn't do shit.

[Dan]

No, it turns out it doesn't.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's very useless.

[Dan]

No, it allows you to look at this and be like, huh, how about that? Yeah, you're lying.

[Jordan]

What about that? Hindsight.

[Dan]

So I thought like, okay, that's cool. That's. That's certainly A different take than Alex has in the present day.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

Let's hear about some more geopolitics.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I like it.

[Dan]

But instead, Alex gets real local.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And wants to talk about a band.

[Alex Jones]

Well, today's broadcast is going to be a little bit different. We'll cover all the normal staples. Government sponsored terror, the New World Order, the satanic elite, the real world that surrounds us. But Cruiserweight, who I'm a big fan of, I played part of one of their songs yesterday, won a big award at the Austin Awards last night. And I'd incidentally gotten some complaints that I hadn't aired the whole thing by listeners. So we'll play the whole song later in this hour that I never got to yesterday. We just played about two minutes of it. And also you'll get my review of the dystopic science fiction Philip K. Dick novel. Yes, for the first time made into a full length feature, rotoscoped Hollywood production up on the big silver screen. I had a chance to go watch it last night at a sneak peek. Well, it won't be out till July and I was just blown away. I mean, it is avant garde. What is avant garde?

[Dan]

New.

[Alex Jones]

Something new before it's time.

[Dan]

Oh, so now we know what avant garde means. When Alex calls all the Nazis that. Yeah, so that's good to before their time.

[Jordan]

Coming. Coming down the pipeline is another way

[Dan]

of saying I'm helping them down the pipeline.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So there's absolutely zero chance that Alex likes this band, Cruiserweight. They're a local Austin standout pop punk band that's won the Austin Award in that category for the past few years. They're in that mid-2000s sweet spot where they're wildly successful, but also obscure, where they've had songs and video games and open for bands like New Found Glory. But they aren't Newfound Glory. Right. They put out an album in 2005 called Silent Weaponry, which I think could be a reference to Silent Weapons for Quiet Wars.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The fake document that Bill Cooper published in Behold a Pale Horse. And Alex has also treated as real.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

The song Alex is gonna play is called Operation Eyes Shut, which does have some early 2000s InfoWars vibes. So while I don't think that Alex is into this pop punk band, I wouldn't be surprised if their manager reached out to him and wanted him to play the song.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

I could see that connection being made, but he's not out there checking out the pop punk scene.

[Jordan]

I would. I Mean, and I'll say this. I don't think there are a lot of pop punk people going to the Bunkers where the fans of Alex Jones at this time might be living. Yeah.

[Dan]

In those band.

[Jordan]

Those were the days when you would have to go about 20, 30ft underground to make. To play a house show.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

With all those little bunk beds.

[Dan]

There's a bar.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

Would you like a cocktail?

[Jordan]

Who wants to buy merch?

[Dan]

It's also strange to hear Alex talking about A Scanner Darkly and not immediately mentioning that he's.

[Jordan]

That he's in it. I mean, how. Why did he get to see a sneak peek of it? Is it because there was a sneak peek available or is it because maybe he was in some way associated with the fucking film?

[Dan]

I mean, it is going to come up, but it was shocking to me that it doesn't come up immediately.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But pretty close to immediately.

[Alex Jones]

It's got government sponsored care in it. If you closely follow what's happening. The government in conjunction with private corporations, ships in the drugs. The police state is a mechanized control grid to control the population. And basically it is put out by Warner Independent and behind the scenes. It's been quite a task to get this through. But it is definitely anti New World Order. It's got some of the biggest stars in Hollywood in it. And believe me, they're anti New World Order. It's a labor of love. You know. Keanu reeves makes around $50 million for his movies. He made 200 million on his last two Matrix films. And he made. What does it say he made? He paid. He was paid $70,000 to make this film for people that shoot their mouths off and go, oh, it's Hollywood establishment. This film would normally cost about 80 million to make conservatively. You can go read major industry publications that are reporting that was made for 8.9 million with an original budget of 6.9 million. Anyways, that my. My big review of it. And of course I haven't really mentioned or talked about in the last review we did then I'd only seen it in the studio there on a TV screen. Parts of it. My first review didn't even mention that I'm in the film or consulted on the film. And I was so honored that I was able to be part of this film that my friend Rick Linkletter called me and included me in it and that the producer Tommy Palata did. And of course one of the other producers is George Clooney, who we know is anti New World Order.

[Dan]

Okay, so Alex is trying to sound like he basically co directed this movie, which he really just had a cameo in it. In 2017, Weisz interviewed Richard Linklater about how he feels about having worked with Alex, which never happened again after a scannerdarkly weird his response. Alex was just this guy on public access tv. I liked his energy, but he was kind of a joke. I got to know him a little bit because he was in Waking Life and Scanner doing some weird version of himself. In both cases, he's not really an actor. So I haven't really talked to him since the Obama years. I guess there's a part of me now that's surprised because he never really seemed like that to me. I can't say he's not a good manipulator. I can't say I've really known him all these years. Really bizarre. He's asked about how he first met Alex and he says on Waking Life he came in, had seen my movie Slacker. We started talking about a part. So I worked up a little part for him. He was more fun when it was the Bush era. Put it like that. When he was anti that, I was like, yeah. And then I was like, oh, you're just anti everybody. But then he's pro somebody for the first time, which is like, big choice, Alex. We'll see how that shakes out long term.

[Jordan]

Ooh, hindsight.

[Dan]

I haven't spoke to him in years, though.

[Jordan]

Hindsight is.

[Dan]

In that and other interviews, Linklater makes clear that Alex was someone who was known in Austin and they all laughed at he was funny. Not somebody to be taken seriously or who was an important consultant in Linklater's films. Ethan Hawke is an important collaborator with Linklater throughout his career. Creatively, Alex is not. Also, it's funny to hear that Alex thinks that George Clooney is anti New World Order at this point because he becomes a huge globalist later.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I did. I was telling you, I just watched Hail Caesar.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's funny because George Clooney is a communist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or he becomes seduced by the communists and that. And it's funny to think what Alex would. His take on that.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of shifting allegiances in the past 20 years. That's that. That link later, like, ah, he was more fun at the Bush years is maybe the best way of describing it. Like, as long as he's in a contained place, it's. If you have stuff in a box and you don't let Pandora near it, it's a perfectly Serviceable box.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's easier to be tricked back then. Yeah, he tricked people. It was fun.

[Jordan]

Shouldn't have let it open. Got to keep that box closed.

[Dan]

Yep. So Alex is hitting on all the major, important, very serious issues of the day. Sure. Like an episode of Boston Legal.

[Jordan]

Hell yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Boston Legal has put out a lot of pro New World Order stuff in the past. And what they're having to do now is put out some anti New World Order stuff or lose all credibility. That's what TVs having to do. 24 does it.

[Dan]

Otherwise you lose all credibility.

[Alex Jones]

A lot of the writers, they're not bad people themselves. They're just told, this is, this is the angle we want. This is what the quote, advertisers want. This is what we're doing. Not talk to a lot of these people. They want to tell the truth. They want to get the word out. And so more and more of it is slipping out. Here's a little five minute piece from Boston Legal. That five minutes of Boston Legalist twist at the end, which is part of the false paradigm. So let's roll that. Here it is.

[Dan]

Not counting commercials. Wait, is it an hour long show or a half hour?

[Jordan]

I feel like it was a half hour.

[Dan]

I don't know. If it was an hour, then maybe it's. It's less percentage of the whole show.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Alex is playing like a scene.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's basically a quarter crazy now, man.

[Dan]

It does. I just, I think it's crazy how focused on pop culture he is in this episode in particular. Like everything is a movie. This band, cruiserweight.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Boston Legal is. It seems so trivial.

[Jordan]

If it were possible. And you know what? Maybe, maybe we're thinking of it the wrong way. Maybe this is a problem of focus. Maybe if we all focused hard enough on Boston Legal, that would be the domino that sets the rest. The problem is we're focusing on too many different shows. Some people are on Boston Legal, some people on a cooking show.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

You know, like, like it's all about the Legal.

[Dan]

But if you make Boston Legal the most anti New World Order show in the world, like perfect. According to Alex. He's just going to start complaining about another procedural.

[Jordan]

Ye, that is true.

[Dan]

It's just going to be like a Law and Order sucks.

[Jordan]

It's almost like he prefers the complaining to the show. It's almost like maybe he doesn't even watch Boston Legal.

[Dan]

Let's imagine that. Yeah, he's a big Boston Legal guy. You hate the law and you hate Boston.

[Jordan]

He owns every one of Shatner's spoken words albums.

[Dan]

Fucking insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is crazy.

[Dan]

So anyway, let's get to some substance. All right, what's Bush up to?

[Jordan]

What is Bush up to?

[Alex Jones]

And there's a really scary report here where Bush signed a bill that hadn't been passed. Not only is Bush saying that if you don't pass a law like the Patriot act expansion, I will just enforce it without having a law. That's called lawlessness. And when a leader engages in lawlessness, it's called despotism. It's called a tyrant tyranny. A tyrant carries out a tyranny.

[Jordan]

They.

[Alex Jones]

They carry it out upon the population, the serfs, the slaves. And we've got him at these signing ceremonies where he signs bills and then says, well, the bill says this, but I'm ordering the executive with my statement, speaking like Zeus or like Ramses or something, by decree Nebuchadnezzar, that he is just going to. This is what we're actually going to do with this. And there's lawyers, they're all writing it down.

[Dan]

Boston legal lawyers. So all of this is pretty clear. Bush is a despot for doing a thing, and Trump is a great leader for doing the same thing. Alex was pretty concerned with executive power in 2006, which looks a little silly in hindsight.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

This situation with Bush signing a bill that hadn't passed isn't exactly like what it sounds like in Alex's telling of it, but it is a bit of a mess. This has to do with the Deficit reduction Act of 2005, which passed in both the House and Senate and then was signed into law by Bush. However, Democratic Representative Henry Waxman later pointed out that the version of the bill that was passed in the House was different from the one that was passed in the Senate. The Senate had passed a version of the bill that only required Medicare to pay for patients to have access to medical equipment for 13 months, as opposed to the House version that had it at 36 months. Waxman essentially argued that the House had debated and were prepared to vote on what they believed was a version of the bill that offered patients more Medicare benefits. And then at the last minute, the bill was changed to match the Senate version. It's not so much an allegation that Bush is signing non existent bills, it's more that a Democratic representative is accusing the GOP controlled Congress of not following the rules about altering bills before votes. So I think Alex doesn't know the difference.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or care. He's just, he's just skimming A headline?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, the, the. It's so interesting. It's so interesting. The idea of like, should they have treated it with the same urgency that Alex is lying that they should treat it with. Do you know what I mean? Like, in terms of the Republicans are breaking the rules of Congress, like, maybe we should have treated that like that is Trump right now. Do you know what I mean? Like, if we overreacted early, would that have kept us from being where we are right now?

[Dan]

Well, lawsuits, lawsuits were filed over this.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And like, I don't know if it was actually changed.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, like right before the like vote or whatever on it. Right. This is what Waxman is alleging.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But, but I don't know from, like, if it was in fact a swip.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Then yeah, maybe they should.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Maybe you should have treated it with the urgency.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But if that's not the case, then it is just someone making the allegation that this was.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, you know, if you act with the urgency and it is hyped, then you, you know, you make a mistake.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, I suppose tactically then what, what should have happened or like, maybe what would have been most effective is when they caught him on a thing, like a real thing, that they got him dead to rights. They just way overkill it. You know, like just go so far overboard because, hey, I got you, you know, there's nothing you can do about that.

[Dan]

Yeah, right. No, I think, I think, yeah. You know, and here the point that I'll agree with is the, you know, like, you know what Alex even said in 2006 is that if you don't punish the executive, then you end up deteriorating what is allowed to be done without punishment. I agree with that. The issue when you say, like over respond to things when you're dead to rights.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I think that what we've seen is that people will make it appear that somebody is dead to rights to something in order to get you to have that overreaction. So once you set the standard of this is what will cause the overreaction. Sure. People will change. Like what it means to be dead to rights.

[Jordan]

They do like to lie about stuff.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I have known that with people.

[Dan]

So that gets dangerous.

[Jordan]

They like to try and manipulate things to get their way.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's crazy how that works.

[Dan]

I don't know what the right answer is. Even about 2006.

[Jordan]

It would be easy in hindsight if it were easy in the present.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So you know what, you know what is clear, though, like, I mean, we can all agree on this. Yeah, Posers suck.

[Jordan]

They do suck.

[Dan]

Fuck posers. Everybody out there posing.

[Jordan]

Stop posing.

[Dan]

Stop posing.

[Jordan]

We didn't stop it. You didn't stop there.

[Dan]

Alex is not a poser.

[Jordan]

Oh.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, frankly, I look down on people that are not genuine to begin with. I'm not a poser.

[Jordan]

He poses, he says posingly.

[Alex Jones]

In all their ilk, posers aren't just posing for the public, they're posing for themselves. Their own little mental vision of themselves.

[Jordan]

He says into a mirror.

[Alex Jones]

I'm digressing here. I just can't handle it anymore. Everything is getting so nuts. It's getting crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier and crazier. And I know they're doing it on purpose to wear us out. That's why they'll announce they're going to attack Iran this month for sure. And they won't do it for six months, a year, probably next March. Just like Iraq. They just. Psychopaths do the same thing over and over again. They know that just about hearing we're going to attack, we're going to attack a lot of us at a sick level in our own subconscious psyches. We're now expecting it. Okay, get it over with. You know, I've been here for a year hearing about this, and so I expect it to happen. So when it happens at a subconscious level, we're going to want it to happen. Just because they've built up the. The suspense. They play us like a fiddle, poser.

[Jordan]

They play us like a fiddle, he says, echoing throughout time.

[Dan]

It's. It's weird. No, it's not. It's the opposite of weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That is what we expect. That is exactly what is expected. That's. That is why we are here. Because he could say that and people would go, that sounds right.

[Dan]

Right. It's why Linklater would cast him in his movies is because this sounds good. These fucking posers.

[Jordan]

No, this guy sounds good. He is posing. That is the problem.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

That is. It's the ultimate bluff. It's the poser bluff. I hate posers. He says posingly, like, it's. It's amazing. Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, these evil people are gonna attack Iran.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm gonna talk myself into. So Alex complains some more about the posers. And I don't think what he's talking about is posers. I think what he's talking about is people who take on an Identity that has to do with like cultural groups.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like maybe you're into rock, maybe you're in the rap.

[Jordan]

Like anybody who's not into whiteness.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Is posing.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

By pretending to be into rap or hip hop or something, when in reality you should be into being white.

[Dan]

That's kind of what it feels like.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And I'm dumbfounded.

[Dan]

I'm.

[Alex Jones]

I am thunderstruck. I am feel like I've been hit by a bolt of lightning. I mean, it just. I'm living on the dark side of the moon or something.

[Jordan]

A lot of Suntown, I see the

[Alex Jones]

mind control zombies everywhere really. The telltale sign is the pose is what I call it. You see these people, these adults, you got the cowboy type and the hippie type and the yuppie type and the trendy types and all the other types and they're all like, like, like dress up like, you know, little six year olds have to dress up like pirates or dress up like astronauts and you know, or army or cowboys and Indians. And you go out in the backyard and you're in an imaginary world. And I, I've caught myself in years past when I was a kid doing this and I figured out, hey, that's not the real world, you know, I mean, we propagandize ourselves, you know, we rationalize bad things. We do. That's posing. When you rationalize something, you're lying to yourself. So much of that, and I just see it, mesmerized populations who've taken on false identities that the media hung out, you know. You know, media puts out a buffet of lies for you and all these different selections and all these different flavors and all these different ideas. And they lay them out there for you and they hope you come and select one of the identities they put out for you through television, through the sitcoms, the dramas, the theater. Because we are social creatures, we emulate the leaders we idolize. We fashion ourselves after someone. You're supposed to fashion yourself after your father, your mother, your aunt, your uncle. Supposed to fashion yourself after, after heroes that have fought against overwhelming odds. That was the classical heroes. The old man who works his whole life to provide for his white old man parents died. You know, that's the heroes. That's what you're supposed to fashion yourself after. Not some gang memberish, giggling, non white person movie with their punked out clothes hanging down around their ankles. Not some punked out population that just thinks that it's all just pick, pick some genre that you're going to be part of and Then. And then go out there and emulate it. And then you're never really truly alive. And you talk to these people who are posing and they just. They just. They aren't even alive. They aren't even real. And I'm sick of it. I want people to begin by realizing that they're lying to themselves.

[Dan]

That would be good, Alex. That would be a nice little start. So there's obviously, like, some kind of racial component to this.

[Jordan]

Feels like.

[Dan]

Seems to veer into, like, why your pants sagging. Yep.

[Jordan]

Feels very. The black youths are up to a thing again. That's.

[Dan]

That's some of the territory that this is in. But then even beyond that, it also has the same feeling as, like, that, like we. You rural people out there going to a rodeo.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Just let people enjoy their lives, Alex.

[Jordan]

I also like. So. So are all of those things poses, like, the idea of a cowboy, a hippie. Right, right. But, like, the poser is the person who goes to the group under false pretenses. They are not that person. They're lying to get.

[Dan]

But there are real hippies.

[Jordan]

But there have to be real hippies for that exist. Otherwise, it's a group of posers, in which case they all belong there together.

[Dan]

Yeah. It then becomes an authentic.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Just of the second order.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So in reality, what Alex is describing is he doesn't like people who aren't exactly him. And his problem with him is he doesn't like them.

[Dan]

He doesn't like groups that aren't homogenous.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Very specifically.

[Dan]

Who don't belong in those groups, going

[Jordan]

into those groups, conservatively homogenous groups. When the sun goes down. Let's not worry about it.

[Dan]

I do like how he can see that, like, someone taking on the Persona of a hippie or a cowboy, that kind of stuff. Like, hey, you're doing that falsely.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But he doesn't see, like, crusader against the new world order guy who gets visions from God as being, like, an identity that he takes on posingly.

[Jordan]

I mean, hey, you could even take it a little bit, step back and just go, he's posing as Rush Limbaugh for good. For a good long time.

[Dan]

He's posing as, like, a country boy who can skid a buck and run a trot line and do his little wah wah voice. Yeah. It's all fucking posing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's a poser.

[Dan]

So he is. But one thing he's not is a Bible thumper.

[Alex Jones]

I know what you call a Bible thumper. I'm not really a pharisee I don't get around telling everybody about the beams in their own eye because I got plenty of beams of my own. But I do love God and I'm a Christian. I don't hide that. But this is a news program. But all over the country we have had Christians being arrested for their speech, arrested for protesting, arrested for demonstrating, not even outside abortion clinics, but just out on the streets of major American cities. And we've had liberals getting arrested with a T shirt saying I'm against the war. And there's 500 unpermitted pro Bush people, but the demonstrator that's anti Bush goes to jail.

[Dan]

This isn't a true description of Alex, but it's exactly what he needs people to believe he is in order for his shit to have any chance of success. Alex isn't just a Bible thumper. He's an extreme right wing Christian fundamentalist. He wants to use the allure of conservative politics and pretending to be interested in the Constitution as a Trojan horse to evangelize to the audience about his very bizarre and white identity laden version of Christianity, which he wants to be the organizing principle of the world. He believes that the devil is running the globalists and the only way to defeat them is if the US effectively becomes a theocracy where the secular laws are based on his religious beliefs. That's what he's evolved into. And if he were the person he claims to be here in 2006, he would have no interest in becoming what he's become. If this were a sincere description of his agenda and who he is, then Alex would have resisted the call to become a demagogue that he's become quite clearly, because he would have known that there was a plank in his own eye and that he was an imperfect. Percy wouldn't become this.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's so important at this point in his career to pretend that he gives a shit about the anti Bush protesters on the left, because if he isn't able to trick them into thinking that he's on their side, then his show is dead in the water. He's destined to just be another Bill Cooper who has an impact on the underground culture. But he never gets rich or influential in a way that he gets to enjoy before he dies. The stuff with Linklater is a perfect encapsulation of that. If Linklater understood who Alex was and what he was about, he never would have cast him in either of those movies. And Alex definitely knows that. It's why Linklater said, I can't Say he's not a good manipulator because he was manipulating people into thinking that he's funny and like, oh yeah, harmless kind of goofy dumb shit yelling when he's actually Trojan horsing. Really extreme politics.

[Jordan]

Yep. And if you don't fall for that form of manipulation where he's fun and interesting, he'll go on his show and say he'll gut you like a pig in a different form of manipulation that'll somehow get you to invite him back on your show where suddenly you'll be manipulated again into thinking that he's a very funny and fun friend to be around.

[Dan]

And then your hippie friend will.

[Jordan]

And then Duncan will fucking show up like an asshole.

[Dan]

Speaking. Which I want to correct something slightly from that Duncan Trussell episode. Yeah, we, I talked, I mentioned that Daria emailed us and I think I got the year wrong on. Yeah. I think it was brought to my attention that that might have been earlier than what I. Years blur together.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there are. It's.

[Dan]

But I didn't want to give people the impression that there was like it

[Jordan]

wasn't like a week after we started.

[Dan]

No, but it was earlier than it should.

[Jordan]

It was way earlier than it should have been.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And it would have been enough to fuck us up.

[Dan]

Yep, yep. So Alex, when he's saying this stuff about he's not a Bible thumper, he's not sure it's in service.

[Jordan]

Lying. When he's lying about these things.

[Dan]

Oh yes, it is alive. But it was also in service of leading up to a guest that he's going to have Gotcha. Which is a dude who got fired from his radio show because he criticized Israel.

[Alex Jones]

And I predict that our guest that we've got on with us right now is going to be blessed after he's been punished for free speech. And I don't attack Israel. You know, I get criticized for not even being neutral on it, but just saying, you know, that. Well, I mean Israel could have a state if it wasn't so anti Christian and anti Muslim and anti Jew. I mean it's, it's atheist. The, the, the Labor Zionist funded Hitler that's down public. So I get criticized for not bashing Israel, but Christian radio host fired for criticizing Israel. 20 year host Dale Crowley with high ratings told you can't talk about that. Michael Collins Piper, American Free Press the UN American thought police operating on American soil have struck once again. This time their victim is veteran Christian evangelist Dale Crowley Jr.

[Dan]

So Alex's guest is this guy named Dale Crowley and He wasn't fired for talking about Israel. He had a show called Focus on Israel which the station was no longer interested in airing. It wasn't like he was a normal old Christian talk show host who one day decided he was going to start complaining about Israel and then the station shut him down.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It was more of a thing where his show isn't what they wanted air anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And honestly, he brings up like they talk to him and he's like, I wasn't getting paid anything for it. It's like a local radio show. It's public access.

[Jordan]

So they just, they just were like, hey, don't show up anymore. Yeah, you're fine.

[Dan]

You are getting a little bit weird.

[Jordan]

And they were like, we didn't even pay your gas to get here. We're saving you money by keeping you from coming to the radio station.

[Dan]

It's like volunteer community radio. And Alex is acting like, oh, it's the highest rated thing in the world. It might as well be like on Salem or Westwood One or whatever. Come on.

[Jordan]

I like the idea of not knowing the difference between talking about Israel and having a show called Focus on Israel.

[Dan]

I even think, like, that name could exist in a benign place. But there are some things that this guy has to say, and I think that you get a pretty good sense of why you might not air his shit. Yeah. So certain people are really invested in pushing the narrative as if you were fired because he dared to criticize Israel. And those people are Nazis. Alex is reading a story about this from the American Free Press, which is a flagrantly anti Semitic outlet founded by white supremacist Willis Cardo. The writer of the piece Alex is reading is Michael Collins Piper, who is the former editor for the Liberty Lobby and has a deep history of anti Semitic slob. That said, Dale Crowley's not just a guy who criticized Israel either. He definitely was someone who engaged in a fair amount of anti Semitic content and viewed America as a country for Christians. So it makes sense that the American Free Press folks want to make the most out of him getting dropped by his station. Except he didn't even get dropped by the station. He had a 15 minute show that he did on Saturdays and then a weekly like a weekday show. They were fine with his weekday show. Yeah, it's just the Saturday one.

[Jordan]

They're like the title being Focus on Israel. That one is that one specifically.

[Dan]

You might be going a little bit far with this one.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

Not interested in that.

[Jordan]

Maybe just don't put it on the

[Dan]

radio show and Then they also were like, you can air your show. You just got to record it in advance. We're just not letting you on a live mic.

[Jordan]

Wild. Yeah, wild. So they have gone out of their way beyond what anybody would consider reasonable to keep this guy on the air

[Dan]

because spewing bullshit because he's done a local access, public, community radio show forever. Yeah, it's like not kick the old man out. Let's give him an option.

[Jordan]

Oh, he said Nazi. What? Old man isn't a Nazi.

[Dan]

A Nazi is fine if you're not on a live mic.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I. Hey, we can work with that. Oh, man, I do, I do appreciate those. Like when you can just sense that those guys back in the day would be like, ah, what I hear, I hear something. I hear something in the world out there. There's something I can lie about. What is that hit? I can work with this.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

15 minutes. Oh, this guy was the crusader of justice and peace.

[Dan]

He was, he was, he was just a normal, great kind of guy. Christian. Like, he just wanted what's best for everyone. And then he dared to question isra and then they fired him for it.

[Jordan]

Just like if you have the courage to question things.

[Dan]

The reason that that story is incredibly appealing to these folks, like the American Free Press in the past, is they want to appear like they're just questioning Israel, being critical of the government and shit, when they are in fact anti Semitic Nazis.

[Jordan]

Right. And they've also probably got some stuff where they've probably been fired from a bunch of jobs for them.

[Dan]

Well, I'm sure there's bitterness.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I bet there's a lot of bitterness among them.

[Dan]

Yeah, they're angry for sure. Yep. So Alex in the present day has really been trying to pretend that like, hey, Israel, apac, that kind of stuff. It never really was that big of a deal for me, but now it is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because they have co opted Trump's administration changed. Right?

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Except. Well, he seems to be saying a lot of the same shit. In 2006.

[Dale Crowley]

I don't know what triggered this decision. It could have been the White House Homeland Security. I've been opposed to this. Israel's war against Iraq for over three years now. Before it began, the Federal Communications Commission might have been pressured to talk about anti Semitism and hate speech, which the program is not. I'm not a hateful person. I've broadcast 1,000 broadcasts of the Focus on Israel. It's a Bible study program. I close every broadcast with Romans 10. 1. My heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is that Israel will be saved.

[Alex Jones]

And the AIPAC people have got it banned in Israel to say that we want Jews to come to Jesus. And so now, buddy, you can't say it in Washington. Pretty soon it will be Greater Israel here.

[Dale Crowley]

Well, that's, that's exactly right. I was, I've. I've been coasting along here for 20 years. I thought I was untouchable. I didn't. I thought if they left me alone for 20 years, telling the truth on the subject.

[Alex Jones]

You're a canary in the coal mine, buddy. We're in the 11th hour, Pastor.

[Dan]

What the fuck are you talking about? You're not supposed to believe this. In 2006, we're going to be, we're just.

[Jordan]

Hey, listen, we're just going to be part of Greater Israel.

[Dan]

What?

[Jordan]

Wow, that happened fast. Because this guy doesn't get to spend 15 minutes on a live mic. Are you saying that because he has to prerecord, that means we're about to become Greater Israel?

[Dan]

Well, it's evidence that this is a zog.

[Jordan]

I mean, he is the canary in the coal mine.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

A very, very specific small canary in a non existent coal mine.

[Dan]

It's time to pray.

[Jordan]

It is time to pray.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that this is. He shouldn't have these takes in 2006 if the way that he's acting in 2026 was sincere. Yeah, but it's not. Yeah, it's. It's all bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's cool.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I imagine if we really like went down and diagrammed it day by day, there would be a corresponding ebb and flow to. That goes along with how far the, the furthest rate is, you know, like as they ebb and flow about who's the most or whatever. He's maybe two steps below that, but in the same kind of wavelength.

[Dan]

Yeah, I, I think, I think so. And I think as it relates to Israel, it's his criticisms I think. I don't know if they're ever valid.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

But I think that Alex knows well enough that at this point in history, in around 2006, the only relevant people who were talking about Zogs and the Israeli influence on the government are Nazis. Yeah. The people who are there are people who are making validators, you know, points about the Israeli government, even in this time.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But they are not super culturally relevant.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They're the people who are the loudest are the people who are like maybe getting guns together and talking about how the US is going to be Greater Israel.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He knows that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he knew that then he was signaling to those people because he wanted them to be part of his audience in 2006, in 2026. He also still knows this.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

So he doesn't want to take responsibility for being involved in that world in the past.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That he knows was so dominated by Nazis and religious zealots.

[Jordan]

Right. Well, because then he would have to admit that he's partially responsible for us being here in the first place. So there's really no reason for him to fake any kind of bullshit anyways and just be like, haha, I did it.

[Dan]

Yeah. And like, I think that it's obviously, like it is not fundamentally anti Semitic to disagree with the state of Israel. Right. It's not anti Semitic, but it does seem to attract a lot of anti Semitic folks.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So you should take people based on how they sound. What are your complaints? How are you articulating these things? And I don't think these guys sound like at all.

[Alex Jones]

All you're trying to do is, I guess, continue what Jesus and of course people like up on the mountain, Moses said.

[Dale Crowley]

Well, that's exactly right. And Jesus got in trouble. My Habib Sheber said to me many times, if, if, if Jesus had dealt with the Jews of his day, like Jerry Falwell deals with the Jews today, he never would have been crucified.

[Jordan]

Oh boy.

[Alex Jones]

So that's no good.

[Dale Crowley]

We're right where we were in New Testament times, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's what it's all about. It's about a bunch of Satanists in control and Jesus trying to overturn it. It's the same thing today. We'll be right back. Stay with us.

[Dan]

So that sounds bad.

[Jordan]

So if I understand correctly, if Jesus had oppressed and subjugated the Jews, well, that would have done it.

[Dan]

I don't think that this comes off as anything other than anti Semitic.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's pretty anti Semitic.

[Dan]

It has not much to do with governmental criticisms, even cultural criticisms, largely.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It is treated. He is using Satanists as a proxy for Jews.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's, you know, that's what the American Free Press might like anyway. Dale sucks.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex Jones]

What has happened to Christians in America? What's happened to Christendom?

[Dale Crowley]

A lot of it, Alex, is a consequence of Scofield dispensationalism.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry?

[Dale Crowley]

Scofield wrote his notes.

[Jordan]

He.

[Dale Crowley]

He did his best to exalt Israel, put Israel first. He even put Israel above the church. Peter's notes in the New Testament, many times he denigrates the church, the body of Christ and exalts Israel. He never has anything bad to say. And this Scofield Bible, this Scofield dispensationalism has influenced the church of Jesus Christ around the world to exalt Israel above even the Church, the body of Jesus Christ.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I mean, let me just say something here that's important. And five, six years ago, I wouldn't bash Israel. I'd say, leave Israel alone. Nothing against Israel. I knew that Israel been involved in a lot of bad things, but, you know, all these countries are corrupt. But if I didn't worship everything they did, like selling nuclear weapons components to Iran or selling our missile secrets and F16 fighter secrets to communist China, I would get a call up going, my guests I'd had on you listen to me, Alex, you're going to go to hell if you criticize anything.

[Dan]

They do.

[Alex Jones]

And I go and I went, wait a minute. I don't claim to be a Bible expert, but I sat through a lot of Bible study when I was, you know, in Sunday school. Every prophet came and criticized and God would judge Israel with foreign nations in captivity. And Jesus criticized what Israel was doing. And I mean, isn't that. I don't understand what you're saying. They're like, you don't say a word. You worship Israel. So really, we don't worship Jesus Christ, we worship Israel now.

[Dale Crowley]

Yes. The God's chosen people myth. And as I say, it came out of Scofield dispensationalism.

[Dan]

This is very out of sync with how Alex has tried to present his views on Israel in the present day. He tries to act like his concerns about Israel are new, but it seems like he had the same awareness and complaints in 2006 and is even engaging in the same rhetoric. Yeah, like five years ago I didn't complain about, but now I'm going to.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Almost like some sort of holy war.

[Dan]

Almost like some sort of broken record, too. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Huh.

[Dan]

Crazy.

[Jordan]

Strange.

[Dan]

So without getting too into the weeds, Scofield dispensationalism is a reference to the debate among Christian thinkers about how many dispensationalism there have been in the history of God's people. Basically, it's a discussion of whether there's been three or seven different status quos in terms of God's relationship with man. Sure, the dispensationalist school of thought grew massively in the early to mid-1900s and has an outsized influence on evangelical churches, the burgeoning megachurch movement, and a lot of the end times. Christian folks like Jim Baker. Sure. Scofield had commentaries on, like, Revelation. And a lot of the people who have ideas about fun prophecy, they come from a reading that has some reliance on Scofield.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

In the last few decades, the school of thought has lost a bit of steam to the more covenant based thinkers. Sure. And if you want to make it hyper simple, dispensationalists believe in a pre Trib rapture, whereas folks like Alex and Dale believe in a post Trib rapture. Dispensationalists believe that the Jews play an important role in the events that lead to the end times, whereas folks like Alex and Dale believe that this is making Christianity secondary to Judaism, where the fulfillment of their prophecy can't happen without the Jews making it happen. And that bothers them.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So that's a big part of, like, what's behind this schism that Dale is talking about and what it means in terms of their actual belief.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, it brings. It brings something to mind, which is that I've never been in a situation where somebody's had like a proper name and then the Bible and not had a really bad time afterwards, especially if

[Dan]

it's not new standard or King James

[Jordan]

at least are like, Derek's Bible. I'm like, I am not going to have a good time. I don't want to talk to Derek about his Bible. I don't want to know what's going on in Derek's Bible. Oh, Schofield's desperate. I'm getting out of here. I'm getting out of here. You guys have fun.

[Dan]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't need any names in front of Bible.

[Dan]

I think that. I think that, like, scholarly conversation and shit about like, hey, this is a tradition and you know, this is blah, blah, blah.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

If you are angry about Scofield's disposition.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Good. I.

[Jordan]

If you've got elbow patches and a pipe, have fun.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Go delight in yourself. If you've got a gun, go home. Do not.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I think that Alex, like, it's just. I don't know, it's weird.

[Jordan]

It is weird.

[Dan]

So in. In a recent episode. Yeah, it was our last episode. Alex discussed the possibility that Jared Kushner is the Antichrist.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And how a lot of people are trying to force God's hand.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And bringing about the end times.

[Jordan]

It would be interesting if that's how it worked.

[Dan]

Now, 20 years ago, Alex knew that this was impossible.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dale Crowley]

Scofield is dangerous. It's insidious, and it has Weakened. And the church.

[Alex Jones]

Well, didn't he come up with the whole Rapture thing?

[Dale Crowley]

Well, this is all related to Israel. He said if we help the Jews get back to Palestine, then we can hasten the coming of Christ and the rapture will take place and remove us all.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, that's right. Man can make God do things.

[Dale Crowley]

That's right. My friend Grace Halsel called it Forcing God's Hand. She wrote a book, and that was the title of the book. Many of your listeners have it, I'm sure. Forcing God's Hand, Making God hurry something up that we want to see hurried up.

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's what the devil did that got him thrown out of heaven.

[Dale Crowley]

Is it true?

[Dan]

True.

[Jordan]

Is that what the devil did?

[Dan]

Yeah, something like that.

[Jordan]

Something like that.

[Dan]

But, yeah, Alex seems to be coming from a place that you can't do that.

[Jordan]

Can't do that.

[Dan]

You can't force God to do something.

[Jordan]

I mean, it would be. It would definitely change, I think, a lot of people's fundamental relationship with God if they knew that, like. Like, as long as enough of us get together, that dude can't do shit to us, you know, like, fucking, oh, you want to wait a couple of years, surprise tomorrow.

[Dan]

But, like, if you look at the way that Alex is engaged with it in the present and a lot of, like, you know, the implications of things he says, you don't even need to get a group of people together. One person could subvert God.

[Jordan]

Feels very easy, Feels very simple. At this point in time, God has

[Dan]

to always be playing defense against us.

[Jordan]

It is a very strange point of view to have on God.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Of like, hey, don't be stupid. Of course we can get him to do shit.

[Dale Crowley]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Dan]

That's not cool. Anyway, some Jews are not Jews, apparently.

[Jordan]

That's always a good start to a conversation.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

What makes me mad is I never even criticize Israel. And then I criticize 9 11, and the ADL attacks me. Yeah. I mean, they want a fight. They want to claim they represent all Jews, and they don't.

[Dale Crowley]

They don't.

[Alex Jones]

You know, all the Jewish people I know who are my friends are great people. And then you sit there and you see these, you know, these folks from Khazaria, these European folks. They're not even really Jews to begin with.

[Dale Crowley]

Ashkenazi Jews.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

And they're busy microwaving the Sephardi Jews and killing all those Jewish kids. And I'm back because I don't want them to kill Jewish children.

[Dan]

So this. This is about the criticisms Of Israel.

[Jordan]

I feel like we've gone a little off track. Yeah, I think this is no good.

[Dan]

I think I'm getting a sense of why this guy would. You wouldn't him on a live Mike.

[Jordan]

I was, I was.

[Dan]

And I mean Alex and Dale.

[Alex Jones]

You don't want to live.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I was going to say talking about Israel. I'm already uncomfortable with focusing on Israel. Makes me very uncomfortable for this guy to be focusing on Israel. Makes me want to leave the room.

[Dan]

Yeah. His focus is not no good.

[Jordan]

No good.

[Dan]

So we have one more clip of Dale's appearance and I think that. Yeah, this isn't. This is not about no good political shit. It's not about a government. It is about hating Jewish people.

[Alex Jones]

And then meanwhile, you know, I studied the new world order pasture. Did you know it's run by Nazi devil worshipers?

[Dale Crowley]

No, I didn't know that.

[Alex Jones]

I really, really studied it. And at the highest levels, even some of these so called Zionist leaders really aren't even what you'd call a Zionist. They're just into the occult.

[Dale Crowley]

I'm aware of that. I'm aware of that. And this is something that comes up in these newspapers forward and on Washington Jewish Week every once in a while. And I expose that on the program. Everything that the Bible is against Jewish leaders are on the front lines. I'm talking about sodomy, pornography, abortion, revolutionism. Everything that the Bible teaches against is. Is praised in the Jewish press, in the forward newspaper. It's in there every week. And these are the. This is one of the things that made up the content of my program. These outrageous occultic, satanic things that the Jews are into and they're proud of it.

[Dan]

Yeah, it might be, might be why your program wasn't. We don't want. The station didn't want to air it anymore.

[Jordan]

Dale, I appreciate what you want and I know you like having that live time. So here's what we'll do. I can, we can keep your show and you can pre tape it or, or if you want that live mic, you have to change the so slightly. It's called focus on water slides. It's a, it's 15 minutes. Demonic water slides about demonic waters. That's fine if it's demonic water slides.

[Dan]

That's what the water slides are trying to push pornography.

[Jordan]

Now the water slides can't be metaphor for juice. Ah, that's what, that's one rule. We can't be. Can't be doing that.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that the presentation that the American Free Press wanted and Alex is reporting on is like, this guy just has some very reasonable criticisms of Israel and the influence on American politicians and the global foreign policy decisions that Allyship makes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And instead he's talking and it's fundamentally clear that he thinks that Jews are the enemy of Christianity.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, when you say, like, hey, this group of people, they're people, but everything they believe in is against what my God believes in. And I know they cannot change, especially not through talking, that means you're probably not going to have a good time.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I think it makes it clear why he was. His show isn't on. And I think it invalidates the entire point that Alex's interview was supposed to achieve.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So he goes and Alex gets back to some of the big news. Not Boston Legal. All right, talking Waxman and the Bush signing into law. Right. Something that didn't pass.

[Jordan]

Steve from Boston.

[Alex Jones]

Let me read this article, though. First, it's from Raw Story. Congressman writes Whitehouse, Did President knowingly sign law that didn't pass? And it's posted on prisonplanet.com and infowars.com Representative Henry Waxman has alleged a letter to White House Chief of Staff Andrew Carr that President Bush signed a version of the Budget Reconciliation act that in effect did not pass the House of Representatives. Further, Waxman says there is reason to believe that the speaker of the House called President Bush before he signed the law and alerted him that the version he had that he was about to sign differed from the one that actually passed the House. If true, this would put the President in willful violation of the US Constitution.

[Jordan]

Got him.

[Alex Jones]

And it dealt with million dollars of extra funding. Now, understand there are a thousand page bills passed every week. There are hundreds plus page bills passed every day.

[Dan]

So Alex doesn't understand this story and you can tell because of the way that he's talking about the $2 billion discrepancy between the two versions of the bill. After this point, Alex descends into a riff trying to get the audience to imagine a $2 billion bank robbery and how seriously people would take that. Which is meant to imply that the version that Bush signed into law stole an extra $2 billion for these politicians. Naturally, in reality, the version that he signed provided 2 billion less dollars in funding for Medicare recipients having access to things like CPAP machines. You could make an argument that this is a $2 billion theft from the American people. But Alex doesn't think that Medicare should exist to begin with. So he is absolutely in favor of them having less funding. His policy Preferences are in line with giving Medicare 2 billion less in funding. So what happened is actually exactly what he wants. But in order to make it into a narrative that plays on infowars, he has to spin it like it's Bush and his cronies adding $2 billion to the pot for themselves. If this whole different versions of the bill thing hadn't happened, he'd probably just ignore this story because it's boring and he's just cold reading a raw story blog post. So, like, it wouldn't even matter to him if there wasn't some little intrigue.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It is kind of interesting that you have to. Whether or not he knows it or you know it is at this time, like he's a creature of, of instinct more than anything else, because he's, he's also kind of creating his responses to these things in real time. But, like, you have to take stances that are absurdly against your own position in order, but without any stakes in order to convince people that you can have positions that, that are against your position. So it's so easy for him to be like, oh, look at this $2 billion stuff, and get real anger because he really wants it to be zero. I don't want them to get any money.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I'm furious that he would sign this bill and fake that anger into something that people could agree with.

[Dan]

Yeah. And by presenting it as like some kind of grand scam that Bush and his cronies have done to yet another enrich themselves, it sidesteps the entire question of. Of should Medicare recipients be getting this money? Yes, they should.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But you don't believe that we're not on the same page.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But by creating a grander fiction, we can agree on that grander fiction.

[Jordan]

We could not be further from the same team. And yet somehow your bullshit has made me feel close to you.

[Dan]

Yeah. Because it's fake.

[Jordan]

I wonder if he's. Does he. And maybe. I don't know if this is actually how it works, but if everybody was like, okay, this is the bill we agreed to sign, but then like, he accidentally got the wrong typing. We don't. Do we live on fairy tale laws? Is it like, ah, shit, there's no, no way to change it.

[Dan]

This was the plot of Bullworth 2. It never got made. But the script that was going around. No, I don't know. I, I mean, like, I'm, I'm certain there are mechanisms that there have to.

[Jordan]

There have to be like, there has to be just like a regular whiteout that you can do.

[Dan]

And I think that Alex doesn't. Wouldn't care now because Trump could just

[Jordan]

do whatever he wants. You can just rip that shit apart.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we know in the present day that Alex is painfully addicted to social media. But in 2006, he is just thinking about getting into MySpace.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's right.

[Dan]

And so that storyline continues a little bit.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, everybody freaks out about China censoring stuff. MySpace has erased a whole bunch of blogs that we and others, you know, had put up there with names like Will Rupert Murdoch shut down this site? Haven't shut down our main one we put up yet. And we haven't really plugged it because

[Jordan]

it's not a lie.

[Alex Jones]

I asked earlier, what's the name of our MySpace account? I saw them in their building yesterday in the day. But, you know, we're just testing it. Our MySpace account is about exposing MySpace. They may be sophisticated enough to leave ours up, knowing we're big and we'll send them traffic while cutting out all the little ones. We'll see what happens. I mean, they're not dumb. They know it's a trap because it will show what a bunch of censors they are. There's already legions and examples of that.

[Dan]

This is the perfect scam for Alex. He can get on MySpace and take advantage of all the benefits that come from being on social media, all while pretending that his presence there is some kind of rebellious act. And the best part is, no matter what happens, the end result is proof of how dangerous and rebellious he is. If MySpace throws him off the site, it's proof that they're censors and Alex is right. If they don't throw him off, that's proof that they know he's too big to censor and they don't want to fall into his trap. Alex's career is full of rigged shit like this, where it's pretty much impossible for him to ever be wrong. Because his career is a carnival game. When he predicts a false flag attack is gonna happen in the next month, if there's a big shooting, he gets to say that attack is the one he predicted. And if nothing happens, then he gets to claim that he scared the new world order with his predictions, so they change their plans. It's all a game. But in the meantime, Alex gets to use MySpace in exactly the way he's supposed to be above using it. It's an evil Trojan horse of censorship. But as long as he pretends that he's using it for a higher purpose, he gets to Profit off of all the attention and free promotion that the site provides. He gets to use it exactly like any other business would. Yeah, but he gets to pretend that it's a high minded trap that he's set for the. For the devil.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Guys, see, here's the thing, here's the thing, right? So I know, listen, you can't, you can't use this hot tub. Evil, evil hot tub. Disgusting. You should never use this hot tub. Now I'm gonna sit in this hot tub to prove to them how evil it is. And you'll know how evil is because I'll look so fucking comfortable in it. I'm gonna look so comfortable in this hot tub. And if they kick me out, that's cuz they're evil. But if they don't kick me out, that's because you know they're evil. And I'm having a grand time.

[Dan]

An analog of this would be like us taking ads and rationalizing it with like a. Wouldn't it be so funny if we took ads like these companies are so dumb to take an ad from. They would be.

[Jordan]

If we, if we listen, we'll tell you to go to fucking Target or whatever, but we'll be like, Target sucks.

[Dan]

Yeah, we're making fun of the idea of having an ad, but we're also enjoying all the benefits of having an ad.

[Jordan]

Oh man, Target, Bunch of assholes. They're giving you milk for like 329. Can you believe that, Dan?

[Dan]

It's 40% off this.

[Jordan]

What a bunch of assholes. It's also Target owes us money for that.

[Dan]

That's the game that Alex is trying to play with MySpace and it's just, it's absurd. Yeah. So obviously at the beginning of this episode, probably one of the most exciting things happened imaginable and that is that Alex said he was gonna review a movie and I kept waiting. I was like, all right, we got this anti Semitic dude. Yeah, we got a bunch of complaining about Boston Legal.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

He played that song from the pop punk band.

[Jordan]

Did he?

[Dan]

Yeah, he did. And yeah, it stuck in my head a little bit.

[Jordan]

If that's all we get from this episode.

[Dan]

All right, I listen to a couple more songs of theirs.

[Jordan]

All right, okay. If that's your. If your flavors Pop punk, maybe take a. Maybe take a chance.

[Dan]

They're really what you would expect of a like highly like high level local band in that era. They're good. And I don't know, I'm not going to listen to a ton more of them. But yeah, very serviceable. And three of them are siblings. Three of the four band members are siblings.

[Jordan]

That's crazy. Do they. Are the. Are the Hanson brothers around at this time?

[Dan]

Bop. Yep. They were.

[Jordan]

They were, weren't they?

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, because they were around when I was in high school.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you're right, man. We're old.

[Dan]

Yep. So anyway, Alex gets to his review of Scanner Darkly pretty late in the episode.

[Jordan]

That's too late.

[Dan]

And he is not committed.

[Alex Jones]

I said that I would do a review of Scanner Darkly and I don't know how I do justice to. Is Philip K. Dick, science fiction, you know, phenomenons. Really his autobiography about drug use and drug abuse and what it, what it did to him and people around him and you know, why we. Why do we put people in prison for something that is really. Is something that's just chemical? They fell into that is something very addictive and just destructive. It is a disease. Humans have always had substance abuse problems and by making it illegal that we actually put money into it and then actually empower the industry and then make it fashionable and connected to money and then make more people actually get on it. All the research and evidence and historical lens shows us, but that's just the backdrop. A larger part of the backdrop is face scanning cameras, total surveillance, 20% of the public on this drug. And of course you learn that a private corporation working with a government, much like. Much like Halliburton and others, is actually creating the crisis problem reaction, solution.

[Dan]

Spoilers. Alex.

[Jordan]

Wait, did they make a Scanner Darkly?

[Dan]

Who? New World Order. The problem reaction, solution, guys.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Hegelian dialectic people. No, Philip K. Dick was exposing it, right? He was exposing that. That there's like a Halliburton type company that's making the drug. Bop boop bop.

[Jordan]

Is that what A Scanner Darkly is about?

[Dan]

I mean, there is a drug. Yeah, there's a drug.

[Jordan]

Well, sure. There is a drug.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, I think that if I had to peel out something that Alex is saying it's legalized drugs, I believe that would.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, if your question is why put people in jail for doing something that's awesome and that everybody likes, the answer should be you don't.

[Dan]

Yeah. It seems like the most like real world application of this. Yeah. Would be legalized drugs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he doesn't believe that or explain

[Jordan]

why it's totally cool to imprison people just for the thing that we all do and we've had for a long, long time.

[Dan]

So his, his review of the actual movie is. Is not there's not much. There is. He does talk about himself a bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah, well.

[Alex Jones]

And I know it's got one on a writer. It's got. Did you see the movie Woody Harrelson? It's got Keanu Reeves. It's got just a lot of other people. And, and, and their performances are just amazing. Then they rotoscoped. This is unlike any rotoscoping you've ever seen where they animate each frame. But, but, but it. So it's real, but it's not.

[Dan]

And.

[Alex Jones]

And it makes their performances even more powerful. And the thing about this film, I was there at this little sneak peek last night that I was invited to and I was. It was great to be there by the. Invited by the director and others. It was great to be there and to see something new. I mean, that's what avant garde means. There's something new.

[Dan]

Once again, we have defined avant garde.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So this is another. Okay. I only really played that clip because he promised us a movie review and I'm obsessed with his movie reviews.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So you have to hear something. But the only thing that's important in that clip is Alex saying that he was invited by the director and others. That means not the director.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Richard Linklater. If he had invited Alex to this premiere.

[Jordan]

I was invited by the director.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

You only say I was invited by the director and others when the others are maybe more important the publicity people. Right.

[Jordan]

Or not even that somebody he knows who had a ticket.

[Dan]

I was on the reply all.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I accidentally got an email that invited me to this.

[Jordan]

You bet. Did you get to walk down the red carpet then? You weren't probably invited like that.

[Dan]

But I just know from the way he uses words and language that if you say I was invited by the director and others, that means not director.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That. That's how Alex talks. What.

[Jordan]

What a fun little tick to have. It's a lie. Truth.

[Dan]

Whenever there is a lie that is kind of transparently a lie, you need to build it up more.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So many people invited.

[Jordan]

I got it. But I couldn't stop getting invited.

[Dan]

So anyway, Alex was a consultant on this film.

[Jordan]

Yes. He was consulted about how Philip K. Dick.

[Dan]

No, no, no. Not. Not. Not a dick expert. No. But he. Here is what he. He consulted on.

[Alex Jones]

It's just I'm so proud to be associated and to be involved with this film. I'm extremely proud of it. You know, I consulted on the film for some of the high tech police state gadgetry.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry.

[Alex Jones]

For the future. And I, and I consulted in a. In a moderate way, not. Not in a huge way. I'm very impressed by the research that was done because Dick wrote this, Philip K. Dick wrote this back in the 70s. And I'm really impressed by his foresight of what was coming, what would develop.

[Dan]

So Alex, he consulted on the gadgetry of the new world order. Future gadgetry.

[Jordan]

So he's like Q.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, except that Q made things right. He was a quartermaster.

[Jordan]

So you're so. Yeah, I mean, I would assume that Linklater didn't like go to the Infowars studio and Alex had like an array of like, like here's your futuristic gadget for this. What are you looking for?

[Dan]

Things in the movie aren't real. They.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that problem. So then is it Alex's imagination of what things are supposed to look like?

[Dan]

Here's what Alex wants you to think. Yeah, he's a futurist.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And basically he described the future and what things would look like and all this stuff. And then Link later ran with it. He's responsible for the vibe and the like kind of aesthetic things that are in the movie.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And that's dog shit.

[Jordan]

No, no, no. Wasn't his idea a grappling hook?

[Dan]

I think that that clip, I mean, it's short.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it includes grandiosity on an insane level. And then also modesty. False modesty of like, I consulted. Not an amazing.

[Jordan]

Oh yeah, no, no, no, no. Not in a big deal. I was, listen, he's a guy who said, should we have guns? And I was like, it's the future. Give him lasers. No big deal. No big deal. But the film wouldn't work without me. That's all I'm trying to say over here.

[Dan]

I would bet anything. And I don't think it was Linklater who asked him, but I bet someone on set asked him like just sort of a passing. Just any conversational question.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's like, well, you know, I think that the globalists in the future would have brain wiping devices. And then he's like, I'm a fucking consultant. Obviously that's what happened here.

[Jordan]

Hey, Alex, what do you think about these bracelets? They're weird, right? They look a little futuristic. They're so futuristic. I saw them in a dream and then they were gonna take all their legs off. I'm gonn people. I'm a consultant.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Hell yeah.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip and it's Alex talking. Now keep in mind he's in one scene, he's in a cameo. It's a brief thing that he is in this movie. Yeah. He thinks he's going to be featured, prominent.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy.

[Alex Jones]

And I appear prominently in the film. I'm going to appear even more prominently in the dvd, which DVD is now bigger than theatrical releases, so that'll be exciting, too. But a couple scenes even on that have me in them that people won't see in the film. You will see some in. In the film, but you'll see even more on the dvd. And that'll be hitting theaters in July. So we're excited about A Scanner Darkly. I had all the stuff I wanted to say before the show, but I've kind of run my course already. I'm a little bit tired today.

[Dan]

Yeah, you don't have much to say.

[Jordan]

Do you know what's crazy about that? That is exactly the type of shit you hear from a actor starting out. A little delusional. Like. Like, I. Listen, I know I. I called my mom. I said, I'm gonna be in this film. And I was only there for three seconds. So I had to tell her, when you get the dvd, I'm in the deleted scenes.

[Dan]

I was in these scenes. I have no idea how they even could cut them. Like, it's. It somehow, you know, you get time.

[Jordan]

My best work is to come.

[Dan]

Yeah, like, absolutely. And much like with that early actor, too, like, there is no fucking shame in what Alex did.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's cool to be in a Richard Linklater movie. It's cool to be in A Scanner Darkly. And it's even cool to be like, hey, I'm Alex Jones and I was stunt cast because I was gonna be a guy yelling into a bullhorn.

[Jordan]

It's super cool.

[Dan]

There is nothing to be embarrassed about. Just being in one scene. Totally. Like the idea that you need to be featured prominently or there's scenes in the dvd. Yeah. Like, you don't need that, man. Just take the win. It's a win. It's really cool.

[Jordan]

Do you know what he. Do you know what he's doing? He's being a poser. Yes. Yes, exactly.

[Dan]

Hit my music.

[Jordan]

There's no. There's no.

[Dan]

I wish I could have done that more smoothly.

[Jordan]

But, yes, he.

[Dan]

Yeah, he's totally. It's poser. Yeah, it's you. You did something really cool, and it's not cool enough for what you think you deserve to be. No.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

So you have to make it exactly in line with your own visions of yourself. And that's a Fucking bummer.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I feel deprived because I actually want to hear his review of Scanner Dark.

[Jordan]

I was thinking the same thing. I was so mad whenever we got here. And you're like, I've been waiting for the review. Because it's like the moment you. The moment he opens with, I'm going to remove the movie, review the movie. We're all. Me, the audience, everybody around is like, well, I wonder what he's gonna say about this dumb movie.

[Dan]

Yeah. Fireworks are going off.

[Jordan]

People are like, absolutely. Okay, well, at least we got something to look forward to.

[Dan]

Calling off work to get excited about hearing Alex's movie review.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

So I'm kind of hoping that down the road, in future episodes, he actually gets into the meat of this, but I don't know if he will.

[Jordan]

It is that feeling right there, that thing that he's doing, the posing about being an actor thing is so depressing. It's so depressing because it is emblematic of his inability to just enjoy something so cool. Right. Like, this guy has experienced cool shit beyond what 99% of all of us are ever going to experience. And he couldn't enjoy it the same way that you could enjoy, like, a really good apple and just be like, fuck, what a great apple. He couldn't enjoy being in a link later film because it wasn't cool enough in his mind for how cool he really is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That sucks.

[Dan]

It does. I think it goes through so much of his work. Like, you know, he's involved in some episodes of, like, Jesse Ventura's conspiracy theory show or Joe Rogan's. Joe Rogan questions everything show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like. And he has to turn them into, like, I basically. I did these shows. I ran these shows. You did something kind of cool.

[Jordan]

You.

[Dan]

You are your own fucking weirdo. And because of that, people have stunt cast you in various things. You fucking enjoy that. That's the pinnacle of success for you.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. No, there's. We've done. We've gotten to do so many cool things, and one of the biggest. One of the biggest focuses for me is just being like, hey, enjoy the shit out of this. Just really enjoy it for what it is like to be in that perfect moment.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

For five seconds.

[Dan]

Like, we got to be on cnn. And it. It's not because, like, we run something or it was an accident.

[Jordan]

It was completely. Nobody. Neither of us were like, oh, we've got some dangerous ideas in cnn. Had to come call it. Somebody emailed. Probably by accident.

[Dan]

Yes. Or some oversight or something.

[Jordan]

But yeah.

[Dan]

Because of the position we've put ourselves in through doing this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it was really cool.

[Jordan]

It was fun.

[Dan]

But like, let's not pretend.

[Alex Jones]

No, we're not.

[Jordan]

We didn't. We didn't have. We're not TV appearance people. We're not talking head.

[Dan]

Although I'm in.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Dan]

Nah. So we come to the end of this and I think it's a fascinating glimpse of posing, of a very depressing view of Alex's sense of self and a lot of really weird stuff that is exactly the same as the present.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So that's fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But we'll be back with another episode. Maybe we'll be in the past.

[Jordan]

Hopefully it'll be more about water slides. That's my goal.

[Dan]

Water slides and actual movie reviews.

[Jordan]

That sounds like a great show.

[Dan]

Let's fucking do it. But whatever it is, it'll come later. For now we have a website dvd.

[Jordan]

Solidgefight.com.

[Dan]

yep, we'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor. Yeah. Woo. Yeah. Woo.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air.

[Dan]

Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.