#1129: March 25, 2026

Summary

Knowledge Fight — Episode #1129: March 25, 2026

Release Date: March 30, 2026
Hosts: Dan and Jordan
Theme: Grappling with Alex Jones’ return to the studio amidst escalating global conflict, the continuing right-wing media spiral, and the existential weirdness of Santa Claus, Indiana.

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan records from the bleak vacation town of Santa Claus, Indiana, while Jordan holds down the podcast home base. The duo breakdown Alex Jones' return to the Infowars studio after a conspicuous absence, discussing his response to Trump’s war with Iran, his shifting defensiveness, and the ongoing deterioration of the Infowars empire. They also reflect on the oddity of Americana gone wrong, the culture of right-wing media, and the strange guests and grifters orbiting Jones—highlighted by an interview with Carrie Prejean.

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Dan’s Road Misadventures: Santa Claus, Indiana [01:09–11:48]

• Dan shares his “bright spot” of the week which is actually a cautionary tale: a misguided trip to Santa Claus, Indiana.
  • [03:24] Dan: “No, he's doing a Hitler salute. He's doing a Nazi Hitler salute. That’s what he's doing. There's no other way to describe it except it's not going forward... it's like he’s doing a Nazi salute at 4 o'clock.”
  • The town is full of bizarre Santa statues and oppressive Christmas kitsch. Dan describes a pervasive, low-grade existential discomfort among the residents.
  • The town denies just how “off” it is: “There’s a denial about how weird this is and how not right it is... there's a quiet anger.” [09:44]

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Alex Jones is Back — and on the Defensive [12:19–18:14]

The Return

• Alex Jones makes his first studio appearance in weeks, and although looking better, he is still mired in the fallout of Trump’s war on Iran.
• [13:17] Alex Jones: “Everything I warned about... when Trump and Israel attacked Iran is now happening. Some of my predictions... are hole in one. This one was absolutely the easiest prediction ever to make.”
• Dan points out that Alex’s so-called “prediction” is a shell game, distracting from the fact that his larger prediction—Trump wouldn’t start a war—was dead wrong.

The War with Iran

• Alex tries to thread the needle: critical of the Iran escapade but desperate to keep supporting Trump. He raves about being called a fear monger, then describes Trump as needlessly provoking disaster.
  • [16:46] Alex: “We don't have long for Trump to pull his dick out of this beehive.”
  • [17:04] Dan: “By Alex's own words and standards, Trump has flagrantly violated the Constitution and launched illegal wars... but he [Alex] probably needs to be tried for treason... and he inspired probably 90% of [the online idiots].”
  • [19:00] Jordan: “We've got to throw Trump on the burning pile of Santas that Jordan has started in the middle of Indiana.”

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The Echo Chamber Eats Itself [21:12–26:25]

Infowars’ Mob Turned on Its Master

• Alex laments that his audience and right-wing influencers now call him a traitor or “Iranian sympathizer” for his criticism.
  • [21:45] Alex: “You’ll see half the Comments... ‘look at this Iranian traitor!’... It’s crazy.”
• Dan and Jordan emphasize that Alex is a victim of the environment he created—one of abusive, trollish, contradiction-filled discourse.
  • [23:26] Dan: “The end of his career is gonna be filled with people that should be giving him a hero’s sendoff, yelling dumb shit at him on social media. And it’s well-deserved.”

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Trump, Globalists, and the War Rationale [38:20–46:08]

• Jones struggles to balance support for Trump’s “good things” with horror at the war—using classic conspiracy narratives about “New World Order” and Rothschilds to muddy the waters.
  • [39:27] Alex Jones: “Above [the Israel lobby] is the Rothschilds and the central banks that want Trump to derail his plan... The question is: is the new global order going to be based on sovereignty and freedom...?”
• Dan highlights Alex’s inability to let go of Trump despite evident betrayals of his declared values. The hosts agree: Alex is posturing, trapped, and unable to take a true stand.
  • [43:14] Dan: “His frustration comes from... Trump is acting in a way that makes it impossible for Alex to gaslight his audience into blind acceptance of his actions.”

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Melania’s Androids and The Hypocrisy of Anti-Human Tech [54:47–60:08]

• Melania Trump appears at the White House with a humanoid robot, promoting transhumanist labor replacement.
  • [55:22] Dan (paraphrasing Melania): “Imagine a humanoid educator named Plato... Humanity’s entire corpus of information [delivered by a robot].”
• Dan and Jordan marvel at Jones’ failure to see this as the ultimate betrayal: the “transhumanism” he always warned about is now literally being staged by the Trump administration.
  • [59:19] Dan: “It sounds pretty good when you’re saying you’re going to drive down cost... that cost—a proxy for your life.”

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Guest Segment: Carrie Prejean’s Conspiratorial Christian Victimology [61:15–73:49]

• Alex introduces Carrie Prejean as a “fearless advocate for faith, traditional marriage, and parental rights” (Miss California 2009), who was supposedly “persecuted” for her beliefs.
• The hosts dissect Prejean’s story—her conservative martyrdom fostered by the right-wing press after a minor controversy in a Trump-run pageant. Her contract was terminated more for breaching her deal (book deals, racy photos) than over “values.”
  • [66:20] Dan: “This is a silly interview... her claim to fame... is about when she was fired by Trump’s pageant. It’s stupid.”
• Prejean rants about being removed from a Trump “religious liberty” commission for anti-Zionist comments, blending confusion over anti-Zionism, antisemitism, and the New Testament.
  • [68:38] Carrie Prejean: “If I say the Jews killed Jesus, that's considered hate speech... But that is a historic fact... Are they going to start arresting people... if we criticize Israel or the Jewish people?”
  • [70:09] Dan: “It's great that she has a strong opposition to the government of Israel committing a genocide in Gaza, but what exactly does that have to do with whether or not Jews were responsible for killing Jesus?”
• The segment highlights the rotating cast of grifters, opportunists, and the circular logic of conservative persecution.

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The Decline of Infowars and Marketing Snake Oil [51:38–54:47]

• Jones laments Infowars’ financial state: the Texas receiver isn’t paying rent, closure is imminent.
  • [51:38] Alex: “As you can now read in the newspapers, the Texas receiver is saying he’s not going to pay the rent or the bills... You asked when we shut down... I’m going to just wait till the lights turn off... I’m going to ride this horse till it dies.”
• Jordan and Dan riff on Jones’ increasingly desperate marketing (Faraday backpack, “veteran of the infowar” T-shirts).

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Right-Wing Christianity Eating Itself [77:30–79:43]

• Prejean attacks “Christian Zionists” (Ted Cruz, Lindsey Graham, etc.) for what she calls “heretical” theology.
  • [77:30] Carrie Prejean: “We are occupied... by a foreign government, but we are also occupied by this Zionist ideology, this dispensational ideology which has hijacked our nation...”
• Dan points out the irony: Jones never shares his supposed prophecies or divine communications with religious guests, knowing they’d see him as a heretic.

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Closing Thoughts: Grifter Collapse & Futility [86:08–90:07]

• Infowars is turning in on itself, allies defect, and the whole Trump/alt-right media ecosystem looks exhausted and near collapse.
  • [83:12] Dan: “Who cares if he makes you look like an idiot at the end? I mean, I look like an idiot now.”
• Jordan: “Those two [the Hodge twins], they’ll fall in line. They’ll—They’ll all fall in line sooner or later. Once the profit motive is acute enough.” [85:52]

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Memorable Quotes & Moments

• [16:46] Alex Jones: “We don’t have long for Trump to pull his dick out of this beehive.”
• [21:45] Alex Jones: “Look at this Iranian traitor... it’s crazy.”
• [43:14] Dan: “Alex is furious that Trump is acting in a way that makes it impossible for Alex to gaslight his audience into blind acceptance.”
• [51:38] Alex Jones: “I’m going to ride this horse till it dies. I ain’t giving up.”
• [68:38] Carrie Prejean: “If I say the Jews killed Jesus, that's considered hate speech... that is a historic fact...”
• [77:30] Carrie Prejean: “We are occupied... by this Zionist ideology, this dispensational ideology which has hijacked our nation.”
• [83:12] Dan: “I look like an idiot now.”

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Key Timestamps

• [01:09] – Dan’s Santa Claus, Indiana misadventures
• [12:19] – Alex’s studio return & Trump’s war on Iran
• [16:46] – Alex’s “pull his dick out of this beehive” line
• [21:45] – Alex laments being called traitor for anti-war stance
• [39:27] – Classic “New World Order” conspiracism and war rationale
• [51:38] – The imminent demise of Infowars, Jones’ existential marketing pitches
• [55:22] – Melania and the White House robot
• [61:15] – Interview: Carrie Prejean’s career and religious persecution narrative
• [68:38] – Prejean’s entreaties on anti-Zionism and antisemitism
• [77:30] – Prejean attacks Christian Zionism and “heretical theology”
• [83:12] – Can Trump’s critics ever really turn on him?
• [86:08] – Final self-deprecating reflections

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Episode Tone & Takeaway

This episode is a snarky, reflective, and sometimes surreal journey through contemporary right-wing collapse as observed via Alex Jones’ narrative spiral, little-town Americana gone wrong, and the hapless parade of opportunists on the MAGA periphery. Dan and Jordan keep a punchy, ironic tone, blending deep media analysis with improv comedy bits and candid cultural critique. For listeners, it’s a portrait of a movement—like the town of Santa Claus itself—trapped in its own perverse funhouse mirror, unable to escape the spectacle it has created.

Transcript

[Dan]

Foreign.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating knowledgefire.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Dan and your Knowledge Fight need money. Andy and Kansas, Andy and Andy. Stop it. Andy and Kansas, Andy and Kansas, it's time to pray. Andy and Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a first time caller.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan, quick question for you.

[Dan]

Sup?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, you know, I think it's still technically March and we have a tradition that is that I go first in March. But yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to give that to you. I'm going to say you go first because my bright spot might be a little bit long and iffy on the brightness.

[Jordan]

Now that's, that's fair. But I mean traditions when broken tend to anger some sort of God of some sort or other. So you're taking our lives into your own hand.

[Dan]

All right then I'll go first.

[Jordan]

You've got will not be a problem. My bright spot is real quick. Opening day baseball. Done.

[Dan]

Hell yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Next crack.

[Jordan]

Right spot. Next. Right spot. Moving on.

[Dan]

How did you. Have you gotten to watch any games yet?

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

So that's still coming.

[Jordan]

It is brighter. Today is the head. Today is just the day it starts.

[Dan]

Nice, nice. Well, my bright spot is it has to do with my continuing journey. My, my road adventures. Last we spoke, I had gone to see a tiger and ended up at a casino. And then I took on the next leg of the trip and it has been a huge mistake. And in order to explain to you why this is a huge mistake, I'm going to send you a picture and I'd like you to try to describe for the listeners what you were seeing.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

All right. The picture is sent.

[Carrie Prejean]

This is.

[Jordan]

Well, it's Santa Claus next to an American flag once and for all that Santa Claus is a jingoistic monster.

[Dan]

But also, what would you say Santa's doing? What does it look like he's doing in that picture?

[Jordan]

I mean it looks a little bit like he's taking a shit with his arm and it looks like he's. His arm is supposed to be wrapped around somebody. So it's like, no, okay, so you're supposed to stand up there and you're gonna nestle into the crook of sand. Santa's arm.

[Dan]

No, no, it's too big.

[Jordan]

Eight feet tall.

[Dan]

It's way too big.

[Jordan]

No, he's doing a Hitler salute. He's doing a Nazi Hitler salute. That's what he's doing. There's no other way to describe it except it's not going forward. It's like, it's like he's doing a Nazi salute at 4:00'. Clock.

[Dan]

I. It still has that same feeling. That's what it felt like when I, when I saw this, this big statue. We will post a picture of it so everyone can enjoy. But the next leg of the trip was I decided to go to Santa Claus, Indiana. There's a town called Santa Claus. And I thought, how fucking fun would it be to be in Santa Claus in March? Like, woohoo. I really overestimated the novelty value of, of what would be going down here and how it would feel. Yeah, I got, I, I ended up deciding I was gonna stay for a whole day here. And that is such, such a fucking mistake. I've wanted to leave almost since I got here.

[Jordan]

Go then. Go. Leave now. You don't have to stay. You have a car. You have a credit card. Go somewhere and then throw this, throw your car in the ground. It doesn't matter. Leave.

[Dan]

Well, I rationalize that there's still some stuff to see around town. And so I would, I would take in as much as I could. And then I also have a few chores to do, like doing laundry and stuff. So why not like make the most of a bad situation? Like this is a little bit of a speed bump, a little hurdle, but it's not, it's not too bad. So I'm living in that.

[Jordan]

I propose a new word. I call it irrationalize. It's whenever you say some stuff to justify doing ridiculous things but then call it normal.

[Dan]

Possibly that possibly is what's going on. But.

[Jordan]

Okay, there we go.

[Dan]

If I didn't irrationalize, then I wouldn't have gotten to try and take a wonderful little walk down the trail here to Christmas Lake. There's a, there's a lake, There's a lovely Christmas Lake. Jordan is not beautiful. I was not allowed to go to Christmas Lake because on the trail there it's a gated community and there's a guardhouse with A Santa outside telling you, no one. No foreigners, no. No weirdos, no pedestrian traffic. Don't walk past this.

[Jordan]

I'm sorry. Yeah, there's a guard house with that. They force a Santa Claus to live at a guardhouse.

[Dan]

My man, there is Santas everywhere.

[Jordan]

It's freaking annoying. That is a metaphor for something about how they view American culture and the way that it absorbs any kind of holiday and turns it into some sort. Some sort of prison guard, essentially.

[Dan]

Yes. That's the way that Santa feels. It feels paternal. It feels like he's watching you, you know, in an elf in a shelfian kind of vibe. And it's no good settling.

[Jordan]

I don't like this town at all.

[Dan]

So I didn't make it over to Christmas Lake, but I did walk along the trail as much as I could, and I found a signpost that told the story of how this town came to be, which is obviously a big part of my curiosity, like, why the fuck is there a town called Santa Claus in the middle of Indiana? Why? And it turns out that some people came over here. They wanted to name the town Santa Fe, but that was taken. There was already a Santa Fe, Indiana. And so the legend has it that there was a town meeting going on on Christmas or near Christmas or something about what to name the town. And some kids yelled Santa Claus, and so they decided to do it. And I don't think that's true.

[Jordan]

No, that. Well, I mean, either way, whether that's true or not, that people want it to be true makes me want to burn the entire town to the ground. So apologies to the people of Santa Claus, but luckily I will never set foot in Indiana. Otherwise, that titty. That city is going down.

[Dan]

I think. I think that the people here have been very nice, and I got no qualms with them for the most part. And you shouldn't burn their city down. But the premise. The premise. So the town grew from the post office, right? And so this weird guy decided, hey, we're gonna name our town Santa Claus. Why not answer kids mail? Like mail from kids who, like, write to Santa. Why not answer back? And so they started doing that. And then some weird guy built a water park here that's Santa themed and a candy castle. And. Yeah, and now it's.

[Jordan]

You're. You're sentening. Sentencing these peoples to worse and worse fates with more description, more tragedy will befall them because of the sins that they are committing and have committed.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's there. It's their four forefathers, really. That in the postal service that have done all that. The one thing I've noticed, I've. I've talked to some people, and one of the things that I've noticed is they're. There's a weird response that people have to being asked, what's it like to be around like this, to live here? There are Santas everywhere. Like, all of the poles in the street are, like, painted like candy canes. Every store is named after Santa. The streets are named after reindeer. It's. It's crazy. And there. There's. There's an incredulousness. There's a. You get used to it. It's followed by a. But the Christmas music gets old, you know, And I think that that touches on, like, the more sincere feeling that I'm picking up on this town. There's a denial about how weird this is and how not right it is. And the people who have to grow up living in Santa Claus. I don't know. There's a quiet anger.

[Jordan]

You're right. I'm surprised. I'm. I'm surprised the city's still standing for me to burn. Doubt. That's the shocker. The shocker is that I would have to, as an outsider, do it. Whereas it feels like a homegrown burning to the city, to the ground is on the horizon.

[Dan]

Oh, it seems do. It seems do. Overdue.

[Jordan]

Like the super volcano under Yosemite. That shit's got a blow, right?

[Dan]

Like, you just think that there has to. There's enough people in this town. It's not tiny. There's. There's enough people that there's got to be some, like, punk rebellious kids that have, like, grown up here. And I. I guess everyone just leaves. I guess they just head to the coast.

[Jordan]

They move fucking two miles away to Halloween town, for God's sakes. Jesus Christ. These people. If there was out of here, if

[Dan]

there was a Halloween town, I would probably be there instead. It'd be more.

[Jordan]

I know it would be. That's why you make a Halloween town and not towns named Santa Claus.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yep. So, Jordan, today we are. We've got a bit of an episode to do. We're gonna. You know, just because I'm on this adventure doesn't mean that the work doesn't continue. That the. We have to balance the fun of disappointing towns in Indiana with the podcast.

[Jordan]

Feel like this is where the word irrationalize comes in. Heavy.

[Dan]

Sure. Sure.

[Jordan]

Travel. See Leave Santa Claus. Go.

[Dan]

I'm leaving tomorrow. It's fine. By the time this episode comes out, Santa Claus will be a distant memory.

[Jordan]

You don't know that. You don't know that. If you don't leave now, you don't know if you're ever leaving. That's the power of Santa Claus.

[Dan]

Jordan, I've got to do laundry. The place I'm staying has a hot tub. I'll be fine.

[Jordan]

All right, fine, fine.

[Dan]

I sat in the hot tub for a second last night, and no globalists showed up, but a pack of kids did. And so I just left. I was like, I'm not.

[Jordan]

Good call.

[Dan]

No. So, yeah, we got an episode to do. And I think that the reason that we gotta do this is we've done episodes about Alex going on like Tim Pool and almost dying, and then he was gone. And he's back. He's risen. Alex is back in studio.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

On the 25th, on Wednesday, he made his. I don't know about triumphant, but he made his return to the studio. So it feels like we got a.

[Jordan]

I imagine it was haggard.

[Dan]

You know what? It was better than you'd think.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, that's. That's a low bar.

[Dan]

Yeah. No, I mean, you'd think real bad. And it was just bad.

[Jordan]

All right. Oh, good for him.

[Dan]

It made me feel like maybe he's had some time to dry out, you know, and that's done him wonders.

[Jordan]

Couldn't hurt. Couldn't hurt.

[Dan]

So he comes back to the studio, and he still has essentially a lot of the same problems that he would have had if he hadn't taken those times off. Like the fact that Trump is clearly pursuing a war with Iran. And so he tries to deal with that as he begins.

[Alex Jones]

Well, I really hate to say I told you so, but I did. It's Wednesday, March 25, 2026. I'm your host, Alex Jones, coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas Broadcasting Worldwide. And everything that I warned about and then I predicted and then I said would happen when Trump and Israel attacked Iran is now happening exactly as I said now. Some of my predictions are really amazing, and I'm the only one to make them. And they're hole in one. Just very proud of them. A lot of research, a lot of prayer, a lot of dedication to make a lot of my predictions. This one was absolutely the easiest prediction ever to make.

[Dan]

I guess you can say that Alex predicted that it would probably go bad if Trump attacked Iran, but this is window dressing over the larger problem. One of the major premises of the argument for supporting Trump was that the globalists were going to attack Iran to start World War iii. And the implication of that argument is that Alex is predicting that Trump would not attack Iran. It's easy to predict that Trump attacking Iran wouldn't go well, so no one's getting any points for that. But it's important to understand that we only have to try to predict how attacking Iran is gonna go, because Alex got the last very major prediction wrong. He's patting himself on the back for this prediction, but part of why he's doing that is to distract people from noticing that it's actually a giant blow to his credibility that this conversation's even happening. That's. That's. That's a shell game.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I predicted that this fire was gonna burn my hand, and that was a really good prediction. That was fucking the best prediction I've ever had. I should have predicted that the fire was going to show up. That was the one that I missed. If I had predicted the fire, I wouldn't have put my hand.

[Dan]

It would've been nice if I predicted that this arsonist would start a fire.

[Jordan]

Been a hell of a prediction. That would have been a good one. Could have used that one further down the road.

[Dan]

Sure. Sure. Keeps a hand safe a little bit, you know?

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

So Alex is. He's talking about how he. He told everyone that this shit wasn't gonna go well. And they all called him a fear monger. They all said he's a fear monger, but no, he's not. He's right.

[Alex Jones]

What'd I tell you two weeks ago? I said, you hear the 82nd Airborne canceled its normal drills? I made some phone calls, and I said, they're being geared up to be sent over there. Oh, shut up, Jones. You're a fear monger. The neocon said, this isn't escalating. It's not even a war. Oh, 82nd Airborne going to take the straight armos. Oh, Marine Expeditionary Force that I told you they'd send. That they started to send eight, nine days ago, which they did. You said, well, it's not for that. Oh, it's for that. I mean, it's just crazy how I just look at what something is and report it, and then everybody on the left and right, on whatever side they're on, just disagrees with something if they don't. Like, must be hellish to live like that. Like, to think about something and say, well, I'm gonna say what I want it to be. That ain't the way the world works, sweetheart. You wanna know what's coming next? I'll tell Ya, and it ain't good. We don't have long for Trump to pull his dick out of this beehive.

[Dan]

Trump's fucking a beehive.

[Jordan]

He was the one who told us a while back that this is how things were because that's how he wanted them to be. And now we're here because of the things that he is saying that sweethearts are at fault for. This is his own fault, sweetheart.

[Dan]

So this is all great that Alex is doing, but you can tell by how he's talking, even in this supposedly fired up clip that he's, he desperately wants to believe that there's still some way to continue supporting Trump. If he stops fucking that beehive, then Alex thinks things can go back to normal. But that's delusional. By Alex's own words and standards, Trump has flagrantly violated the Constitution and launched illegal wars. He's not only disqualified from being our leader, but he probably needs to be tried for treason. Alex is complaining there about how everyone calls him a fear monger or whatever, but that's really just a reflection of how his entire ecosystem and everyone he's arguing with, they're just idiots. I think the right wing political space has been so overtaken by Twitter and weird opportunists that it's basically disconnected from the real world entirely. He's right to be upset and frustrated about the bottom of the barrel commentators he's arguing with online, but he should recognize that he started that and he inspired probably 90% of them, employed, some of them elevated all of them. Yeah, like that's why he's rich.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, it does, it does bring to the question of, like, I don't want to be conspiratorial, but it feels like whenever I look around I'm seeing nobody being stoked. Right. But he's still there. So somebody has to be stoked. Somebody has to be real happy with the job that he's doing. Otherwise I feel like we're, we're, we're in like old timey volcano tribe area where it's like, oh, the leader of the tribe is not doing so well. And it's like, hey, surprise. God said we needed to throw the leader of the tribe in the volcano. It was so crazy how that happened. He sucks. And God was like, let's throw him in the volcano. And then we all just did it. And now we've got a new leader. No big deal, no harm, no foul. God's great.

[Dan]

Like, we've got to, we've got to throw Trump on The burning pile of Santas that Jordan has started in the middle of Indiana.

[Jordan]

I mean, once. Once you start with Santa Claus at. Falls like a domino after that.

[Dan]

Yeah, it. I mean, I don't. I don't know exactly why that dynamic is what it feels like, but I agree with you. Like, no one seems like they're into this. Like, everything seems bad and weird and.

[Jordan]

And would be better at the thing that people are like, oh, this would ca. So, Right. Naturally, you know, you don't like your bad leader, so. But you don't overthrow him because that would cause too much chaos. It feels like overthrowing this. This guy would be like, oh, finally we can all just, like, close our eyes, pretend the last 10 years didn't happen, and then we have fucking regular roads again. Like, this is not complicated. This guy is the problem. There's no situation that is more chaotic without him.

[Dan]

Yeah. It feels like normally you would be like, well, we want to keep a check on, you know, some level of stability. But it seems like the reason that we're all mad is because everything is unstable and going all over the place.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

At the same time, like, you kind of. Like, Alex's point is fair. It's not earned, and I don't care about it from him, but he's arguing with a bunch of fucking idiots.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, he's one of them. He's chief idiot. But he's. He's right. These other people suck.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. What are you gonna do?

[Jordan]

I mean, here's. Here's the thing. Like, I feel like everybody's kind of an idiot if they're arguing about something right now. Right. Like, if somebody. If somebody's arguing about the finer points of, like, a law that was just passed, I feel like they're missing. That's kind of idiotic, too. Like, we got. There's a more immediate emergency kind of thing.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. It's not. It's not wrong to care.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But it. There's a. There's a. There's a fire, you know?

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So Alex laments that he's. He's taking the position that he's taking and that people are just gonna say that he's a Iranian sympathizer.

[Alex Jones]

And I tell you, we're live right now on radio stations across the country and on X Ray Jones on Rumble, the auction channel. I guarantee you, when we take this clip of the show out, we take clips from the whole thing and post it. Go there this afternoon, we post the clip from the live show. You'll see half the Comments, talk show hosts, influencers, you name it. Saying, look at this Iranian traitor. He says that Iran's thumbing their nose at us. He's for them. I mean, it's crazy.

[Dan]

That is crazy.

[Jordan]

That is crazy.

[Dan]

So this is a, this is a direct result of Alex's career and influence. Those influencers and talk show hosts are all idiots who no one should take seriously. But a lot of them were elevated by formerly being associated with Infowars. And even the ones who weren't greatly benefited from Alex blurring the lines between what news and commentary even was like. What's the difference between sincere criticism and emotional outburst? He made it all the same.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex gets abused in the comments of every post he makes because he created an environment where that was normal. He hired Owen Schroyer, the cuck destroyer, because he liked how he was mean at protests. He constantly elevated and pretended to respect deeply abusive people and trolls when he thought that there was an upside in it for him. That was the easiest route. He had to attract attention. So that's what he did. And now that's the bet he's made for himself. The end of his career is gonna be filled with people that should be giving him a hero's send off, yelling dumb shit at him on social media. And it's well deserved. This is. Everyone should be like building, like making him a cake. You're going out of business. Here's to you, via con Dios. You. You're. We're only alive because of you. And instead they're like, you fuck it, Iranian.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, in a way, if you, you know, it's like, yes, we are in this world that you created, so you have responsibility and so, you know, but at the same time, this world is trash. So fuck you. You know, it's. It's a fair, it's a fair point of view.

[Dan]

Well, and it's the. The next generation in some ways wants to do what he did, right? Which is make money. An easy route by kicking the shit out of the last generation of shit talkers.

[Carrie Prejean]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's like when he should know that he did that.

[Jordan]

It's like if. It's like if a hornet or not a hornet, one of those wasps. It's like if a wasp lays its baby inside a carcass, right? Or a living thing, you know, don't be surprised whenever the babies eat their way out. It makes it. Yeah. You know, you're. You're an infection.

[Dan]

It's nature isn't.

[Jordan]

Is it.

[Dan]

Infections are natural.

[Jordan]

Is it everyone in Iran sympathizer. I don't, can you not be.

[Dan]

I, I don't, I'm not, I don't know if I'm an Iran sympathizer. I'm sympathetic with, I don't think we should be having a war. I'm sympathetic with the, the public.

[Jordan]

Well, that's what I'm, that's what I'm saying like, that, that, you know, you can't be like, oh, no, you can't be a sympathizer if you're the one who attacked them. They, you are a sympathizer. Right.

[Dan]

Yeah. He means I, I, I take his meaning to be more like everyone thinking he's on a payroll or something like that.

[Jordan]

Like, as opposed to just somebody rationally being like, yeah, if you attack somebody, you're the bad guy.

[Dan]

Yeah. And it's, it's, you know, the, the status of bad guy becomes a little clearer when our leaders start talking the way that they are now.

[Alex Jones]

Hag Seth is a great guy. He's not, you know, he's a patriot. He gets up there and does what the President says, and he swore an oath and we elected him. And you're going to hear, you know, this, this, this, this hawkish talk, hawk talk, and people freak out by it. That's his job. Okay. He's the Secretary of Defense. And I'm not defending what he said. I mean, literally is the definition of terrorism. We're gonna blow you up. We negotiate with bombs. That, that'll be the new definition of terrorism. But again, one guy's terrorist, another person's freedom fighter. You know, the empire that wins writes history books.

[Dan]

So if I'm listening to that, I'm hearing Alex say that Hegseth saying that we negotiate with bombs is terrorism and that maybe it's good, maybe it's okay. Maybe that's just normal. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know how to make heads or tails of that. He should be against that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Is he, is he for. It is. I don't feel anything other than like, I, I'm obligated to posture towards this person's direction. But all of his words seem to be like, well, this is dumb.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that the, the, the overall feeling that I get from listening to him is a, I can't deny what is going on, and it's bad, but also I can't change. I can't do anything but still kind of make excuses for Trump and all of the people around him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's it's sad. It's, it's, it's stuck, you know?

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's heartbreaking. I mean other than watching them being in pain is pretty great.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex, he starts singing a little song. He gets a song in his head and he shares it with the class.

[Alex Jones]

And now they came out after Trump officially offers a 30 day ceasefire and the Iranians said, screw you, we're going to keep the straight of Hormuz blocked. And now the news articles start within hours of that breaking last night. Oh, we have sent troops and now they're going to invade and take all those islands that are like Japanese controlled islands in the march towards Japan in World War II. And then even more troops on the shore on the other side with all their weapons and then we're going to be in close to them. Remember that song? You guys ought to pull it up. In 1814, we took a little trip along with Colonel Jackson down the mighty Mississippi. Took a little bacon and we took a little beans and we whip the bloody British in the town of New Orleans. And then it's got the quote and there's actually said this Andrew Jackson, when he was just a general there in the our second war with England, he says, don't shoot till you see the whites of their eyes because the British would start shooting at 300, 400 yards away.

[Dan]

So that quote long predates Andrew Jackson and is generally attributed to a general from the Revolutionary War.

[Jordan]

I was going to say the reason that that quote is important is because guns couldn't shoot straight at the. So it was really important to wait until they were close because you were probably gonna miss. That was just, that wasn't like a battle cry. That was like regular good advice. You if you want to hit somebody, they gotta be close.

[Dan]

And that's. I, you know, it's, it's interesting for Alex, who has such a appreciation for and a deep love and respect for American Americana and war history and the Revolutionary War. To attribute this to Andrew Jackson is very strange. It's out of sync.

[Jordan]

It's unfair to the lore. It's unfair to the lore. Like listen, the lore is obviously unfair to Andrew Jackson because the only way to be fair to Andrew Jackson is to call him a genocide or genocidal monster. But this is unfair to the lore. Andrew Jackson doesn't need to have said that. Andrew Jackson did so much more cool shit. Andrew Jackson beat up a guy who tried to assassinate him. That's how Andrew Jackson rolls.

[Dan]

And when you open up the category of cool shit to all the racist stuff that Alex loves. Andrew Jackson has a deep resume.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That song Alex is talking about is the Battle of New Orleans by Johnny Horton. So I was thinking about this and like, around the time I graduated from high school, there was a series of books that were really popular. They were called stuff like the Matrix and Philosophy or Star wars and Philosophy.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

For scholars, you know, they would take the content of popular media and use it to demonstrate academic ideas. So, like, this was an attempt to make nerdy stuff feel cool. Like you were learning about Descartes, but you were also seeing how his ideas apply to things like the question of, can Neo know he's in the Matrix? Where can information come from? This is what Alex thinks he's doing. But the problem is he's not a scholar. He just knows the pop culture stuff and he knows that he can make up connections between things if he needs to sound smart. So he's talking about, like us going to war with Iran. And he's like, it's like that song when you 1814 took a little trip. He's like, no, you just want to talk about the song. This doesn't really connect.

[Jordan]

Also, point of order, Tim Pool cannot be excited about that song. Tim Pool is not allowed to enjoy any fight against the British. Right?

[Dan]

Tim Pool, Yeah.

[Jordan]

He's a monarchist. He's. He's demonstrated that he is all for the. The King and the Queen of England over the United States. So he can't be cool with that.

[Dan]

No, he has some anarchist tendencies. That's true. But, you know, this is Alex. He's. He's not always on Tim Pool show.

[Jordan]

Sure, that's fair. I'm just saying that once we've introduced monarchism. Once we've introduced monarchism at the possible funeral of a man, then I think.

[Dan]

Well, I. I think this is okay as a, like, diverging point for me a little bit. Because after Alex left, they did talk a fair amount about how disrespected they felt and how, like, bummed out they were that Alex showed up drunk. And so I think that they can be monarchists over here and Alex can still pretend Jackson stuff over here.

[Jordan]

I'll allow it.

[Dan]

Yeah. I really hope they have some. Some kind of like a summit, getting back together, you know, the two of them really hash out there, really solve the.

[Jordan]

Solve those differences.

[Dan]

Oh. So Alex talks about how he could be cooler if he wanted to.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, look, if I wanted to be more popular, I'd come out here and say Hall Hitler and, you know, Israel Is the devil blow him off the map. Because Israel has effectively put itself in the position as the most hated country in the world and even Gallup poll show that. But I don't do this for popularity. I do this for truth also. It's just so happens truth tends to make you successful in life and prosper and not blow the planet up.

[Dan]

So Alex is right, but wrong about this. Nazi shit is way more popular than his bland bullshit in the right wing media ecosystem. So it appears on first glance that he would benefit from leaning more into that. But there's a problem, and that is that he's a known quantity and he has a ton of baggage. For years he's had to pretend that he's not a Nazi and that he hates Nazis as much as he hates commies. So if he tried to make too overt of a pivot 30 years into his career, he looks like an idiot. The hardline Nazis would say I told you so and he would become a low power figure in that space. At the same time, whatever audience he has that likes to pretend they're not bigots would take Alex coming out like that as a slap in the face and he'd lose them. He'd be cucked by the Nazis and abandoned by the normies. Ultimately, Alex does not stand to gain any popularity by going full Nazi because of this dynamic. Which is why he just positions himself as a guy who hangs out with and really seems to respect the avant garde Nazis in his media environment. By buddying up with the guys who yell Heil Hitler and interviewing them as respectable experts, Alex gets the best of both worlds where he can skim some attention off the Nazis who are really popular and maintain this illusion of plausible deniability to keep the old country folks buying the supplements. And this, I honestly think is probably the only choice Alex has. And again, it's his own fault. So when he's saying I could be way cooler and more popular by doing that stuff, I really don't think he could. Even if it is cooler.

[Jordan]

I mean, if he, he could in, in a, in this world, right, where he does it, humbles himself and is like, I lost all these people and then hungrily tries to rebuild an audience with his new point of view that he's, he's earned every second of it, but he doesn't have those chops and he doesn't have the will and he's not that good. So yeah, it is his only choice.

[Dan]

And I think that a lot of the folks like would see Alex being like, I'm a Nazi. Now like that would be like an old with a backwards hat, you know, like it would be so see through to them that it's not a cool choice to make. So I think he's maybe in denial a tiny bit about like what his options are. That's fine.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I've been, I'm trying to parse this. Think about this with me. All right, so obviously when he says that the truth makes you successful, right, we, when looking outside, we know that that's demonstrably false, right? So he's lying. But because he's a liar and lying has made him successful, then by nature of saying what makes you successful, then he is in fact saying that doing what I do is what makes you successful. Lying. So is he telling the truth? He.

[Dan]

There's a, there's a commitment to the truth of lies, right? This is the riddle.

[Jordan]

It's a paradox. You never know where it begins or where it ends.

[Dan]

See, to me this is, this is the fruits or this is the root of our book Alex Jones and Philosophy where we do a matrix and philosophy like book, right? About what is honesty, what is, what is truth?

[Jordan]

Alex and Kiera Cagard, he can't pronounce it.

[Dan]

So should you fuck a beehive?

[Jordan]

Should you? Is it not the correct. I think, I think Augustine would argue that you have a moral obligation to

[Dan]

a beehive but feel really bad about it later. So Alex, he thinks that everyone is crazy and fair enough also, it's just

[Alex Jones]

so happens truth tends to make you successful in life and prosper and not blow the planet up. Everybody that wants to blow up Israel needs to understand that they're not going to go anywhere without taking us all down with them. Which people then say, oh God, you're siding with them. What? I'm siding with reality. Just like I said about the Iranians, I'm not with them. The mullahs, the damn assessments say lower than an 8, 9% chance. Maybe they fall and then you probably get something worse. That's why Erik Prince, before the war Warren has said don't do it and say the same thing. I told the neocons and I told the administration, you do not do this because they're gonna blame. They're gonna block the freaking straight of Hormuz. The neocons go, oh, it's okay. Saudi Arabia has a pipeline, they can do 25% of it. They already had that at max capacity and the Iranians can blow that up next and said they're about to. So I know how to Play chess, folks, not checkers. And I'm telling you, just like in the 1980s movie that was based on Ran Corporation. War Games. War Games. The only way to win the game is not to play a strange game. The only way to win is not to play. That's all I'm saying. I'm just trying to be sane here. I'm not a secret Muslim. I'm a secret Nazi. I'm just an American that's smart and informed, and I'm telling all you people, you're crazy. We'll be right back. Stay with me.

[Dan]

You're fucking crazy because I saw War Games and I can quote it.

[Jordan]

All right, I. Okay, here's what I don't like. I don't like it when I agree with a statement, but then when the reasons are given, post statement, I am supposed to continue agreeing with that statement. I don't. I don't like that. Yes, you are all fucking crazy. Agreed. Wholeheartedly. The reasons for which are varied and diverse, but they are not the ones that Alex believes in.

[Dan]

Yeah, like, you could. Someone could be like, hey, everyone's acting like fucking lunatics. What's going on? Everybody needs to get in control. And you'd be like, yeah, all right, all right. And then they keep talking and they're like, everyone knows you shouldn't drink water or something. Like, they could have some idea.

[Jordan]

Exactly. No. What do you work for Rabies? What is happening? What is happening right now?

[Dan]

Yeah, come on, man. Oh, we don't need you. You're making it worse.

[Jordan]

No. Good.

[Dan]

So I think that, you know, we talked about this a little bit earlier, this weird kind of vibe that there is, like, he's saying this stuff and it's pretty negative, and it's. It's demonstrably negative, but he still wants to keep this connection to Trump, and it makes him sound stupid.

[Alex Jones]

And listen, I want to cover all the great stuff Trump's doing, and I will later. But we lose all that if this continues with this Iran thing just on the economy alone. I'll explain. I know you already know, most of you, but other people need to get this through their brains, because you don't have to hear me predict it now.

[Dan]

It's here.

[Alex Jones]

And if you want to be eating dog food, have the Democrats get back in and bring back the carbon taxes and cut off the economy and have a literal planned austerity, make you poor to control you feudalism, hell, then just continue to support the neocons and the Israel First Lobby, because above them is the Rothschilds and the central banks that want Trump to derail his plan. That was an excellent economic plan and, and destroyed the old globalist order. Now the question is, is the new global order going to come in going to be based on sovereignty and freedom and unilaterally working with countries? And it was that way the first six months. He was making all the right moves. The globals were like, we're done now. Oh, no. Now America is the big New World order globalist thing, and it's gonna try to bring back the neocons. New World Order. New World Order.

[Dan]

Oh, no, they're gonna bring back the New World Order. New World Order. Old world, New World Order.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

He needs, he needs, he needs to gain some precision with terms, I think, if we're gonna get anywhere.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. And yet at the same time, his best power is the ability to use imprecise terms.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. And generally it serves him quite well right in this case when there's like 15 different new and old world orders that need to be called those things.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I think, I think we have laws, right? Because in general, we're like, very bad at knowing when you have to do something. You know, we all like to negotiate. Like, maybe I don't have to do something this time, maybe next time I'll do it. And so we have laws, so it's like none of us get a choice. You have to do it. It's the law. Right. It feels very much like we need that for your political candidate or friend or, you know, like just some sort of, like, you know what? I still support Trump. I love Trump, but unfortunately, because he did this thing, there's nothing I can do. Sorry, I'm just out, you know.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah, yeah. Like you're saying there should be like red lines and, and points past which affinity doesn't matter anymore or the, like, little, little benefits you're going to get. Yeah. I'm sure you're excited about that stuff, but it's too much. The rest of this is too much. The scales.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It's just that the. There's. And it's not irrational to like, look at the hard choice and be like, this is a bad. I don't want to make this choice. Right. Which is why it needs to happen without your input, you know, it's why it needs to happen without you getting to. To talk to yourself a little bit and be like, hey, you know what? Sure, he's blown up Iran. Sure. The straight ahead Hormuz is closed. Sure. Nobody can fly Anywhere but brown people. I don't see as many of them.

[Dan]

See. And I think. I think that reality forces that line or whatever, you know, whatever you're describing. Like, there. There is a. There is a point at which all you can do is, like, be in sync with it or in defiance of it. So, like, even if Alex doesn't follow the law or whatever it is you're describing, he appears. It's. It's. It's clear to everyone else. Everyone else can observe and see. Like, hey, man, it's weird that you're not on the warpath against Trump. Yeah, you should be. Because this. Like, listen to this next clip and imagine he's not calling for this person to be arrested.

[Alex Jones]

So look at this. Are you negotiating with yourself? Iran mocks Trump as US Sends troops to the region. Iran rejects US Peace plan to blow. Iran rejects US Peace plan and blow to efforts to end war. And they said, why would we negotiate with you? Every time we get in the room, you drop a missile launch. So that's what's going on here. And all of you wanting it to succeed and all of you saying, just get behind it. Get behind what? Trump's changed the story about a thousand times. I mean, literally, sometimes five times a day, he tells different story while we're doing it, oh, the war's already one will be done in two days. Oh, it's already over. There's nothing happening. I told the Iranians, unconditional surrender. Meanwhile, days before. It's the opposite, basically. So if you like being lied to, this is the place to, you know, to get it is from this current administration, and I hate that because there's so much good they're doing.

[Dan]

So Alex is framing this as a situation where his disappointment comes from Trump doing all this bad stuff because he's also doing all this good stuff. And that's relatable. Most politicians exist in that gray area, which would be a good name for a show. But the truth is that his frustration comes from a different place. Alex is furious that Trump is acting in a way that makes it impossible for Alex to gaslight his audience into blind acceptance of his actions. He's crossed so many red lines for Alex that it's comical to hear him say that there's so much good stuff that Trump is doing because the bad stuff is that severe. The image Alex is trying to strike is that there's close to a balance between the good and bad that Trump is doing, which is crazy. By Alex's own words, Trump is gambling with our lives, probably Illegally gonna start a world war and constantly lying about it. These are supposed to be big deal breakers for Alex. So when he's forced to play this game where the scales are teetering on the edge, it reveals that those aren't that big of dealbreakers as he's always wanted us to think. Trump is doing racist and pro business stuff, which Alex likes. He's also being a warmonger and pursuing a foreign policy that Alex has explicitly based his career on opposing while violating the Constitution a bunch and covering up the Epstein stuff. If we're supposed to believe that Alex is so conflicted about how Trump is doing so much good stuff and he hates that Trump is doing this bad stuff, then it stands to reason that he values these two sides fairly evenly. But if you take this a step further, Alex doesn't even really care about those things that are supposed to be in the negative column. He just hates that he can't deny them anymore. Trump is getting into like huge public fights with Marjorie Taylor Greene over Epstein. And Alex made it clear that his problem was that if Trump wanted to do a cover up, he needed to shut up and let the media surrogates handle it. And that's at the core of his frustration. Trump isn't letting Alex do what Alex thinks is his job. And this is because Alex never had a job or a constructive purpose to begin with. He's a one sided media surrogate whose boss doesn't give a shit about him and doesn't need him. They all jumped onto the Trump wagon because he was a huge attention magnet and it boosted their ratings. So why the fuck would Trump ever think he needs them? They need him. Alex is pissed off because he can't accept how bad the stuff he knows Trump has done really is. And he can't deny it either. He has to give lip service to the reality that's in front of him and then act as if none of it's true. Your talk recognizes reality and your actions do not. In the past, he just didn't have to accept reality. He could make his own, but because of the choices that he's made and the circumstances he's in, that luxury just doesn't exist anymore.

[Jordan]

Nope. He's a piece of shit.

[Dan]

And trapped and trapped by the fakeness. Trapped by the fake reality he created for everyone to live in yesterday.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you know, well, I mean, they're the. The problem with them, right? The problem with their whole ecosystem is that it is based around lies. All of the people inside it are liars. But in order to have a functioning ecosystem. Somebody has to trust somebody somewhere. But since they're all liars, they wind up lying to themselves to think that they can trust somebody like Trump because they've created this lie fiction in their head where they're. They're actually partners with Trump and he's on their team. He's got his interests somehow dovetail with your interests as opposed to everything that we know about him.

[Dan]

He's winking at me, man. I see. I know he's. Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

I know he's lying to somebody because I'm a liar, but I don't know that I'm lying to me about who he's lying to about me.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's convincing yourself you're on the inside group of the exclusion circles and they're realizing now that they're not really.

[Jordan]

There's only one. There's only one inside it and it's not. None of his family's even in fucking side. Read about him.

[Dan]

His family is conditionally inside some of them. Most of most of them.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex is talking about how like Israel, they're making themselves look bad. Why are they acting like this?

[Alex Jones]

They're.

[Dan]

It's bad pr.

[Alex Jones]

Well, what are you doing? You are literally setting yourself up as the bully. You were the underdog until a few years ago. You were loved in most countries. Now you're the most unpopular country in the world. And again, people go, good, get him, get him. Have you followed that out? As I said earlier, it ends. It ends in nuclear war. Please take the car keys away from these crazy people. Okay. Israel, please stop Trump, stop. People say, I thought you liked Trump. I'm trying to get him to stop. I've been proven right. I got a bunch of other insane clips I haven't gotten to. I've got. You know how many clips we have on the list today? 100, 157. Okay. I mean, I'm loaded for bear here. And I played five clips. Let me do this. The folks at Bigley about seven, eight months ago came out with this amazing. Well, it's already come out. What they got from a company, top of the line Faraday cage backpack with all these special pockets, super high quality.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's got a new Faraday backpack. I would, I would say 150 something clips is hubris. That's insane. You. He wants to act like this is him being over prepared and stuff, but it really indicates that he has no idea how to prepare. Yeah, like there's never been a time where he's gotten to 150 clips on his show. Like that means that there is no preparation because if there was, he would have weeded it down to like the 10 essential ones.

[Jordan]

Yes. Well, if, if you put all of those. If all of those clip average, let's say a minute long. Just for, just for the sake of simplicity. Doesn't that put it in like two and a half hours of stuff, save his voice. Right. And it shows only four hours long, which he. Of which he only does three not. And then you take out. He could essentially just play all 157 of those clips and that would be his show.

[Dan]

You know what he could do. So I, I just got a flash of him doing. I love the 80s but with those. All of his clips.

[Jordan]

I like that.

[Dan]

So he just like would play the clip and then punch in and say something about a Furby.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or something, you know, a little.

[Jordan]

I love that.

[Dan]

Or, or even if he doesn't want to be on video, he could just do like pop up video. Kind of like he plays the clips and then a blip, like a little factoid pops up.

[Jordan]

I like that on the screen. I like him becoming Doug Benson in some form or another. I think that works for me.

[Dan]

Well, he does smoke weed once a year, as you know, just to test the potency. So Big Lee's got this backpack. Great. Alex is selling it and it really sounds like they're giving away the store because like there's so much they're putting in this backpack and it's at like one fifth of what they claim is the market value of the Faraday backpack.

[Jordan]

Jesus.

[Dan]

It's not good.

[Jordan]

What is it? So a Faraday backpack protects you from electricity? Is that. What is it? Oh, it does. It totally. Oh, no, no, right. I forgot. I forgot what these people believe. It totally protects you from 5G and shit like that. That's what they're doing.

[Dan]

No. Well, maybe, but I think it's more about like you can keep your devices in there and no one can spy on you or something. There's a privacy aspect or like a hacking aspect that I think is more, more central. But yeah, sure, if, if you buy one because you're afraid of 5G. Alex isn't mad about that. Yeah, that's good.

[Jordan]

If I put it on my head, is that better than the aluminum foil? You know what I mean? Like have, have we elevated our game?

[Dan]

Mm, yeah. Technology marches along.

[Jordan]

There we go. All right. Backpacks on the heads. No more. No more aluminum foil FL for crazy people.

[Dan]

So I would Say that regardless of whether these bags sell or not, it sounds like things are tough in Alex land.

[Alex Jones]

Also, as you can now read in the newspapers, the Texas receiver is saying he's not going to pay the rent or the bills. And as going into next month, the rent's not even paid. So you asked when we shut down tomorrow, two weeks from now. I'm going to just wait till the lights turn off. Okay. You'll probably see Infowars go down the site. You see streaming shut down once. We can't do it. We have the auto shows network built at Bigleowns and I'm going to go over and do it there. But I'm going to ride this horse till it dies. I'm going to ride this race car till the engine blows or the wheels come off or I crash into the embankment. I ain't giving up. I'm riding this horse till I win or I lose. And then the media's like, oh, he's finally going to lose. Oh yeah, right. I am the info war. Our listeners are the info war. And we got a whole line. Here's the first one of a limited edition veterans of the Infowar T shirts. Look at this. This is badass. Let's get some good B roll this, guys.

[Dan]

Let's get some B roll of that nice looking shirt. So I was listening to that. I was like, ah, the Texas receiver. Who's he talking about? Michael Irvin.

[Jordan]

Yeah. From the Dallas Cowboys. From the Dallas Cowboys, Yep.

[Dan]

Sports reference over here.

[Jordan]

No, no, I'm, I'm just as excited as you are. It took me a second to register.

[Dan]

I played Tecmo Super Bowl. I know about these things. Yeah, so it sounds like things are bad. The lights might go out or, or the rent might not be paid. But that's fun. We'll see.

[Jordan]

That's fine. I mean, I find, I find that to be such an interesting solution to the problem of like. Well, technically, I guess I have all kinds of legal authority, but I don't know what shit this guy's gonna get up to. If I try and exercise it, what I can do is nothing. And if I do nothing, maybe the problem will just go away. And that seems to be a novel strategy to these people.

[Dan]

You know, there's an element of like not paying his rent because you have control over all the assets and everything. Yeah, like not paying the rent is. It's a little bit of a mercy kill. It's a little bit of a, like taking out the feeding tube or whatever.

[Jordan]

No, it's perfect. No conflict. What are you gonna. What, are you gonna get into a fight about me with. Am not going to give money to somebody else.

[Dan]

Let's see. We'll see if it happens.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

So fun.

[Dan]

If it end. If shit went down on April 1st. April Fool's Day.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

God, that'd be. That'd be a great prank.

[Jordan]

I wonder who owns the building. Do you think the person who owns the building is going to lock them out?

[Dan]

I mean, if. I think the rent is probably pretty high, you know, considering how much space he has and how much overhead he's taken on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I think. I think they might. Yeah.

[Jordan]

It would almost have made more sense to him, you know, at this point in time, it would have made more sense for him to have bought the

[Dan]

building, but I thought he did.

[Jordan]

But honestly, at the same time, now he's protected from the building being sold away from him by having to pay rent.

[Dan]

Right. I guess that if he owned it, the asset could have been seized already or, you know. So Alex gets to some other news items, and some of them are weird.

[Alex Jones]

Well, if you're a radio listener, you don't see this. It doesn't seem real, but it's real. It's not. AI Melania Trump marching through the White House on red carpet with a humanoid robot, Meeting with the first man, or second man, the Macron's, whatever it is he's married to. All right, I'm gonna hit this more later. We got a guest popping, and it's really important.

[Dan]

Couldn't quite get, you know, the feel for his footing for the. What, transphobic. He was supposed to say about the Macrons. So I. I think that for the most part, it's not the best use of time to get overly invested in the partners of public figures, unless their personal history illustrates an obvious conflict of interest for the person in office. Otherwise, it just seems kind of unfair and petty. Being the president is a public position, but it's also just a job. You're fulfilling a role. And the spouse of the president wasn't elected into a position. They just weren't a problem for the public in terms of voting for their spouse. Obviously, some people are better than others, and some could be more inspiring than others, but the worst first spouse is. Isn't really that much different than a mediocre one. So I don't want to overanalyze Melania. That being said, Alex has spent countless hours of his show yelling about Michelle Obama, Jill Biden and Hillary Clinton. So his track record would indicate that he has Serious concern about the first lady and what they do with their time. In just the past month or so, Melania has released a documentary on Jeff Bezos platform Amazon, which was directed by noted sexual harasser and a guy who was creepily photographed with Jeffrey Epstein. Brett Ratner. Now she's doing an event at the White House where she introduces a humanoid robot that's supposed to replace teachers of the future. This was a supposed, it was supposed to be an education summit, but it seems like it turned into a PR opportunity for the robotics company that made this unit called Figure. In her speech, Melania said, very soon artificial intelligence will move from our mobile phones to humanoids that deliver utility. Imagine a humanoid educator named Plato. Access to the classical studies is now instantaneous. Literature, science, art, philosophy, mathematics and history. Humanity's entire corpus of information is available in the comfort of your home. So Figure is a company that's owned by Brett Adcock, who literally said, as these robots join the workforce everywhere, from factories to farmland, the cost of labor will decrease until it becomes equivalent to the price of renting a robot, facilitating a long term holistic solution. Costs. Over time, humans could leave the loop altogether as robots become capable of building other robots, driving prices down even more. During COVID one of Alex's big catchphrases was about how the globalists see the public like, based on their use of the term inessential workers. Klaus Schwab wants you to stay home because he doesn't think you're essential. You're going to be replaced. This is a deceptively important point, which is that the Trump administration is not just like what they're doing. It's not just a slap in the face of where Alex is supposed to stand in terms of launching a war with Iran. He should view their actions as deeply anti human and part of a transhumanist takeover. He should think they're doing the work of the devil. Melania is introducing like they made a big PR blitz out of like it's the first humanoid to appear at the White House. Like they're. You're. These people do want to replace labor.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I think I'm, I'm boy so this. So my volcano tribe. Right. I think we've got a lot of good ideas and I'm willing to share them with the United States government if they're willing to let me take over completely and solve things via volcano based solution process. That guy. It's amazing that you're allowed to say things like that, right? I mean, I know we, I know we were all against bullying when we were younger. But I didn't know. We. We didn't know that it was going to turn out like this. Right. Like a guy can say words like that out loud without anybody beating the.

[Alex Jones]

Out of him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Well, it's. It's. It's like, okay, yeah, it sounds pretty good when you're saying you're going to drive down cost until you understand that that cost. When what you're translating is you getting paid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You having a job, you doing something, being able to have a trade or whatever. Like the cost is a proxy for your life.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I thought it went one way, right? You think? Oh, okay. Well, these. These super villains, these evil, mad doctor types, right. They're mad because they were bullied. And if we don't bully them, then we don't wind up with those evil doctor types. But now what we're seeing is that wanted to replace humanity from the jump. From the jump. They knew what they were doing.

[Dan]

I worry that you're coming at this from the wrong perspective. I think that maybe bullying creates.

[Jordan]

That's what a lot of my teachers told me, too.

[Dan]

But hear me out on this. Hear me out on this. I think that the bullying creates a greater quantity of these evil doctors, but the lack of bullying allows the ones that would inevitably exist to be so much better and more powerful.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They're sharper. It's quality over quantity.

[Jordan]

It's. It's trees. It's the tree situation. Right. You got to keep all the trees the same size, otherwise the ones that get high will choke out all the other trees.

[Alex Jones]

Right, right.

[Dan]

You know. You know that Rush song that's about this? There's trouble in the forest. There's. There's an argument between the. The. For the maples, the maples and the oaks.

[Jordan]

You're right.

[Dan]

We should fight it for sunlight.

[Jordan]

We should be put in charge of things.

[Dan]

It's a good song. So Alex, he said he has a guest there and he's gonna introduce this guest. And it's. It's an interesting. It's an interesting person for him to have on.

[Alex Jones]

Now. Carrie Prejean Bowler is an amazing lady. I really wanted to get her on. We've finally got her. And she's a wife, mother, devoted Catholic, and as a fearless advocate for faith, traditional marriage, and parental rights. And she got a long bio with Miss California. Famously chose conviction and didn't compromise with the left, obviously, you know, all the things that happened to her getting targeted and all the backlash.

[Dan]

So Carrie Prejean was a pageant model who won Miss California in 2009 and then came in second place for Miss USA. Before I get into any of this, I just want to say that I hate it all and that the world of pageants, particularly this scene, which was. Was incidentally owned by Donald Trump at the time, is very ugly. So Prejean, she believed that she was the frontrunner to win Miss USA 2009, but she was asked a question about gay marriage by notably gay celebrity judge Perez Hilton. The fact that Perez Hilton was one of the people who was asking questions at this thing should give you a sense of how classy it was he was. If you've forgotten a blogger who got famous for making sensational claims about celebrities and photoshopping cum onto their pictures. So Billy Bush was the host of this event, who would go on to be immortalized as the guy who Trump was talking to when he said that. Grab him by the pussy stuff. So this was almost like a weird inflection point for so many threads that go into the future.

[Jordan]

I hate this world. I hate it so much.

[Alex Jones]

Volcano.

[Dan]

Anyway, she said that it was great that in America you can choose, like, gay people had rights and stuff, but she believed that marriage was between a man and a woman. And she's been very clear that she thinks that this answer lost her the title.

[Alex Jones]

Title.

[Dan]

Perez Hilton has also said that this lost her the crown. But he's a shit talking troll, so it's hard to know if this is sincere or him kinda just rubbing it in. After she came in second, she was a darling with the conservative press who were looking for figures that they could prop up to prove the Christians were under attack. And who better fit that bill than a beauty queen who came in second after giving a mildly uninspired answer to a question about gay marriage? The coming in second part of this victim story kinda bothers me. I get making that kind of argument if you were the frontrunner and then you came in 40th, but in a pageant setting, I'm guessing there's not too much distance between first, second, and third. If you came in second, you still almost won. Like they didn't turn against you that hard. So from here, things got ugly. And I don't want to get into it too much, but she got in trouble for public appearances that weren't in line with her contract with Miss America or Miss usa. Excuse me. And there were some lawsuits. These lawsuits stemmed from things like partially nude pictures of her being released, which wasn't in line with the public image that the pageant wanted to maintain. The Pageant was, if you've forgotten, owned by Donald Trump. So basically she'd signed a contract with him and was in violation of it. The problem wasn't really the gay marriage comments. It was the way she acted after the pageant, which was not profiting the pageant itself. Ms. USA is a business and the women who compete in it are the products. And she wasn't following through with what they needed from her. So to put it in a nutshell, Prejean's contract with Miss USA was terminated after racy photos of her came out and after the pageant learned that she was publishing a book that they believed they had the rights to put out. Like they were being cut out of her book deal and they wanted the money for it.

[Jordan]

Right, let's. Let's. It's money.

[Dan]

It's money. A lot of it is money and image and like, you know, mostly money. She argued that she was the victim of religious discrimination because of the gay marriage Answer. And the right wing media enabled her and just cheered her on. She sued the pageant and in the course of that suit, a homemade sex tape of Prejohn when she was 17 was uncovered that was, quote, too racy for TMZ to post, which I think might just mean illegal.

[Jordan]

Illegal. It's a. It's too illegal for anyone to have.

[Dan]

Yeah, tmz. I don't know if too racy is the way to put it. That kind of is a titillating version of wild, disgusting.

[Alex Jones]

Any.

[Jordan]

Any sex tape with a 17 year old is an illegal sex tape. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Yeah. After that revelation, the two parties reached a quick settlement that let Pre John release her book. And it dropped all the counterclaims made by Miss usa, which doesn't really look that great when we know what we know about Trump now. It looks real gross. So I disagree with all the shit that Prejohn stands for as a political figure. But she got dealt a very bad hand by how she was treated by the pageants and by the gossip media in the late 2000s. This is a silly interview for Alex to be doing, especially considering that her claim to fame and the inciting incident of her religious persecution story is about when she was fired by Trump's pageant. It's stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. This one is frustrating. I don't like this one at all. I don't one. I don't want to take a side on anybody because all of their whole thing, all of that is more just like a society fucked up. Like everything about her life is a result of a weird fucked up society. Not necessarily like it, you know, it's like rfk. She should be crazy. She should be crazy. If you were raised in pageantry, you're crazy. And it's a shock if you're fine and everybody should be applauded if they're just okay. So, yeah, there's no point in time in this lady's life where she hasn't been controlled or exploited by somebody who is making money off of her for stuff she cannot control or do.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that, you know, you're not, not that old when you're gonna be Miss Miss California.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And you have this pageant circuit that you've been a part of that is trying to make money off you and use you in the way that they need. And then you have this predatory awful media, like embodied by someone like Perez Hilton that also is trying to like take you down a bit in order to make their money. And you have the right wing media that really wants gay marriage not to exist and they're using you as like a thing to further their goals and their money streams. It's just, you can't possibly, like, I don't know, you can't. I don't think there's a way to assert your own independence in that situation. You're being by too many really strong influences and that are all trying to use you.

[Jordan]

And they're cleverer than you. They're, they're rich, they've got money, they've got experience. You are just a person, which no matter how great and smart and powerful you are as a person, you're going up against 100 years of learning how to fuck people over like you. You know, you don't have a shot.

[Dan]

And to be clear, I still think she sucks, but I think it would be wrong not to acknowledge this kind of, like this kind of shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I think one of the problems that she has is that she's a bit anti Semitic, but also doesn't know what antisemitism means.

[Carrie Prejean]

I never thought in a million years that I would serve on a religious liberty commission. And as soon as I talk about a foreign country that I have no interest in at all, I have no allegiance to at all. This is a foreign government. And as soon as I mention their name, all of a sudden I'm removed from this commission simply because I'm not a Zionist. And I asked the people on that commission who were testifying that day, I said, is anti Zionism, anti Semitism? I want to be very clear on the terms here which I have every right to do. As a commissioner, I want to define the terms. I'm not just going to go along with this. If they're claiming that if I say the Jews killed Jesus, that that's considered hate speech, I have a big problem with that because that is a historic fact. That is a fact of history. And so if we're now deeming certain parts of the New Testament as hate speech, every Christian should be upset about that. Every American should be upset about that. And I want to know, where is this going to lead? The new IHRA definition on anti Semitism? You can go and read it. I mean, this is dangerous. This is dangerous for free speech. So what's going to happen? Are you going to start. Are they going to start arresting people? We're going to start putting people in jail, taking away their First Amendment rights simply because we say something to criticize Israel or the Jewish people? We're not allowed. Is that a sin to criticize the Jewish people? I would really like to know. Is that considered hateful? Because I'm criticizing a foreign government that is committing a genocide in Gaza and I have a duty as a Christian to speak out against that. This is insane. And we must be pushing back against this.

[Alex Jones]

Did you ever hear from President Trump?

[Carrie Prejean]

No.

[Dan]

See, this is why Kerry probably isn't suited to handle a subject like this. It's great that she has a strong opposition to the government of Israel committing a genocide in Gaza, but what exactly does that have to do with whether or not Jews were responsible for killing Jesus? In her mind, all this stuff is wrapped up and intertwined in a way that makes dealing with the real world almost impossible. Also, the last like 10, 15 seconds of that clip made me think like, Alex is probably eating totally 100%. Like she had to fill space and vampire, because Alex wasn't there.

[Jordan]

She absolutely was. Like, I am expecting an answer. And when one was not forthcoming, she scrambled.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Kerry was put on this religious liberty committee created by Trump, which honestly should have been her first clue that this wasn't a serious thing. Her second clue should have come when she realized who else was on this committee. The chair of that group is Dan Patrick, a former talk show host and Lieutenant governor of Texas. Texas. The vice chairman is Ben Carson, who has some interesting ideas about pyramids. Then you've got Billy Graham's son, Dr. Phil, and Paula White Kane. She should have walked into that room, seen the collection of clowns and frauds that Trump chose, and realized that this really has nothing to do with religious liberty and that scam based Christians were heavily overrepresented in that group. She might have some serious actual convictions, she might not. But no matter what, it's very sad to hear someone who is appointed to Trump's Religious Liberty Committee whining about how it wasn't serious enough. Like, come on. Come the fuck on. Look at who you're talking to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Dr. Phil is in this group.

[Jordan]

What? Yep.

[Carrie Prejean]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I mean, I think. I think it would. It's. I think it would qualify as evidence of you not having serious convictions to simply be in the room with those people and have a conversation. Do you know what I mean? Yeah.

[Dan]

And be acting like you're getting some real business taken care of.

[Jordan]

Yeah. In. In every way. If you have a sincere connection to your faith, those people are the. The. The fucking bane of your existence. They render all sincerity of belief pointless and meaningless in the public sphere. They make it so only somebody quietly and privately worshiping in their own way can have any possibility of sincere belief in it. So you should be fucking furious at them.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

On one level, there's, you know, obviously what appears to be almost no Muslim representation here at all. But then, yeah, even if you're just, like, concerned about Christianity, like, Paula White Cane is more insulting to Christianity than the devil.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So, like, you should protest, quit. If you're asked to join this. This group, if you. Yeah. If you care about what you. What you. Your beliefs are, well, you can't win them all.

[Jordan]

Can't win them all. You know what? It's nice, though. At least you're on the, like, based upon the list that you have read for me, she's on the bottom. So that's. That's not bad, you know, and in

[Dan]

terms of, like, strong, strong disagree. I. I think she might be on the top in terms of Dr. Phil. Oh, no, that's what.

[Jordan]

Right. We've got the same thing, just a different scoreboard. Right. I'm saying I'm golfing, like, low score is the best score. That's what. That's what I'm saying.

[Dan]

And I also. I also think she got kicked off the committee too. So, like, part of the reason she's on is to talk about being kicked off.

[Jordan]

Perfect.

[Dan]

Yeah. Any club that won't have me as a member is a bad. What?

[Jordan]

Something like that.

[Dan]

So they start talking about some news, and there's one news story that has to do with a sheriff who's upset that someone took, like, pictures of him and put stars of David on his face. And Alex is like, come on, guy.

[Alex Jones]

Well, again, I go Back to the Streisand effect. I have dozens of clips just today. I already played some before you got here with, with governors and legislators and sheriffs saying you criticize Jews, we're going to arrest you. Now they don't tell you when you dig in that they'll find if you have a warrant or they'll get you for something else. But they go and arrest you for putting a star a day. But on the sheriff, you're a public figure sheriff, so what if somebody does that? Move on. I get criticized all day long. And again, I literally am not an enemy of Israel.

[Dan]

It's really wild to hear Alex have that kind of take. He's saying that people who have had their signs defaced in a clear attempt to single them out as a target for anti Semitic harassment should just move on. Like how would he feel if Christian public figures were having crosses graffitied over their faces? Would he think that was no big deal? Or would he see it as a very obvious anti Christian message that someone was trying to send? For Alex to think that this kind of argument is gonna land, he has to think that his audience is full of anti Semites or idiots. Like they have to be so fucking stupid. In your mind if, if this is like, oh yeah, it's your public figure, move on. It doesn't mean anything.

[Jordan]

I mean, I don't know. That's, that's a sheriff on sheriff battle. Where I'm, where I'm from, Alex has got his sheriffs. Other sheriffs have their sheriffs. They, the sheriffs have to deal with it themselves. That's a sheriff based problem. I neither condone nor deny or whatever it is. Sheriff based bullying.

[Dan]

While we're on the subject of sheriffs, I've been, I've been driving a bit and you know, I'm going largely through back roads and just seeing that, seeing the landscape, seeing America. And one of the things I've noticed is a lot of places are in the business of electing sheriffs. There's a lot of signs for people running for sheriff of various places. And one thing that I thought would be funny is to start really caring about one of those races, like really fucking attack just one randomly. One of the characters of the person who's running for sheriff in Attica, Illinois now just really just fucking get in the mud.

[Jordan]

I would go the other direction. I think we should become a sheriff and here's why. Right? Not much real power, but the power that's there rife for exploitation. You can abuse the shit out of that power, you can. It makes more sense to become sheriff as a money making endeavor than any kind of like protecting the peace or anything like that. That's crazy. You can. You can steal left and right. That's the way to do it, you know.

[Dan]

You know who's sheriff of Santa Claus?

[Jordan]

I do not.

[Dan]

Blitzen. No.

[Jordan]

That's the end of our friendship. That was where it ended. That was the moment. That hurt, that one. It did hurt. It did hurt Dan. That's what hurt me.

[Dan]

Should I have gone Rudolph? Would that have been better?

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Because the red nose, man.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's like the sirens of the cop car.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Cherries and berries.

[Jordan]

Cherries and berries.

[Dan]

So Carrie complains that there's a bit of Christianity that's taken over that she's not a fan of.

[Carrie Prejean]

I want to add about the Christian Zionists in this country. Pete Hegseth, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, who say, if you don't bless Israel, you will be cursed, ultimately, is what they're saying. This is a theological discussion that I think is very important. We are occupied in this country not only by a foreign government, but we are also occupied by this Zionist ideology, this dispensational ideology which has hijacked our nation. And so this idea, Alex, I'm sure you know about this. They believe in the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem. They think that Israel has a separate. There's a dual covenant between the church, you know, Christians and the Jewish people. And so they need the Dome of the Rock torn down. They need us to go to war with the Muslims in order for the rebuilding of the Third Temple in Jerusalem. And the most anti Christian thing about it is that they're going to bring in animal sacrifices. Again, Alex, this is anti Christianity. And it's time we as Christians speak out and reclaim our faith because it's been hijacked by Ted Cruz, who say those who bless Bibi Netanyahu bombs will be blessed. That is insane. That is evil. It is heretical. And we must call out this dispensational heretical theology.

[Dan]

So let's imagine that Kerry actually does believe that the way that some of the Christian Zionists view the relationship between God and Israel to be heretical. I'm not sure what I think about her real beliefs, but she isn't giving me any reason to doubt her sincerity in this interview other than the fact that it's happening on infowars, which is at least disqualified. I bring this up because I noticed something which is that Alex never tells people like Carrie about How God talks to him and sends him on missions. He never tells his guests like Carrie about the downloads of prophecy he's been given or how he always knows what time it is in the middle of the night. I strongly suspect that's because he has good reason to believe that if he did show her that side of himself, she would rightly think that he's crazy and promoting heresy. The only reason that this conversation can happen is likely because she doesn't listen to Alex's show and doesn't know who he presents himself to be. And everyone can feel okay as long as that kayfabe is maintained and kept up.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I thought it was wild how there was a, like the last, I think the last 2016 episode we did involved a guy who was yelling about Scofield dispensationalism.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And now here in the present day, Carrie is on complaining about dispensationalism. It's like, it's not something that comes up all the time. It's just a weird piece of tissue that's connecting. It's freaking me out.

[Jordan]

I really. These kinds of things really bum me out. It's nicer. I like it more whenever I can just like compartmentalize all these people into being like, I believe in Jesus and you know, let's just go to heaven and, you know, that whole thing, like, be nicer to people. I'm fine when I can do that. Whenever it's like, oh, yeah, that's right. A lot of very important decisions are made on complete and utter pretend, utter pretend that is made up by lunatics to justify the insane things that they want to do. And that's just how we live. So I get, I get that she can very sincerely believe something about dispensationalism, but it bums me out to know that it exists, period. It shouldn't.

[Dan]

And that, and that debate is being had by people who might be on committees that are appointed by a lunatic out of control president. Yep. Yeah, it's no good. It's. It's all insane.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's all insane.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip because the rest of the show is Alex believing he's simulcasting with the Hodge twins, who are a couple of twins who loved Trump. And they were the people who were, I believe, instrumental in getting bigly set up up with Alex through Chase. I believe that Chase found, maybe found out about them because the Bigley was working with the Hodge twins. And then Alec, he. I pre. I, I don't know all the details,

[Jordan]

but I Understand the business arrangement congealed amongst these grifter monsters. Yes.

[Dan]

Yeah. And so the two of them have been quite. And like, they've just decided that they're against Trump pretty much. And quite anti Israel. And the interview itself is. Is very, very. It seems to be like, all right, fuck Trump. He's done. He's. He's screwed everyone over. And then we get to this moment, and I'm like, why. Why is anyone even talking?

[Jordan]

You're exactly right. I don't know how he turns this around. Yeah, maybe Alex, maybe he looks us. Look like three idiots. We take over the Strait of Hormuz. If thing goes successful, there's minimal losses with our military, and. And he makes us like idiots. But I don't see that happening because Iran is like, twice the military that.

[Alex Jones]

You just read my mind. I was about to say, I hope he succeeds. We'll be back in 60 seconds. Let's come back to that.

[Dan]

What does it matter if he succeeds? I mean, it matters for logistics in terms of, like, yeah, we don't want more people to die, but the actions that he's taken are the actions like, yes, if it works out and things go better, great. He still violated the Constitution. And just because the end is better than it could have been, that doesn't justify the means that you're supposed to be against. So this conversation just seems stupid. Like, who cares if he makes you look like an idiot at the end? I mean, I look like an idiot now.

[Jordan]

I mean, I think that's. I think that's the point. I think that's what they are. They're inadvertently describing what the real stakes for them are, is not like, oh, I like, for them even. It's not even gas prices or, or the cost of food or anything. They're insulated from the true damages that can be fucking wreaked upon people who don't have just enough to squeak over that line. So what really matters to them about all of this is if Trump wins, then at least we get to continue liking Trump, because, well, I admit I'm eating crow. Trump was right. We are on his team.

[Dan]

Yeah, well, they, they. And I think that what it. What it comes down to more than anything is that, like, they, underneath the surface, they all understand that. That they're on Trump's team. And if he succeeds, then there's the proximity to power that will be maintained. And that's a familiar game that they've been playing for, like, the last decade. I think people like, you know, people who are in the Spaces that are like the Hodge twins, who are more ready to break away from Trump and be like, nah, not into this guy. I think that even. Even they would rather, like, Trump succeed and them be able to, like, be like, oh, yeah, look, hey, things were bad for a little bit, but we're back on this, you know, hey, everything's worked out.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Because I think that that's easier and it's clearly been more profitable. But, yeah, Alex doesn't have a choice.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, the hard choice for them is fairly obvious. Right. Like, if you want to say we're in a electoral republic or anything like that, your only real consequence that you can apply to your elected officials is to unelect them. If that's the case, then the hard choice is to say we have to vote for not Republicans or not vote. That is what has to be done. And none of them want to say that. That's really scary. That removes all lesser of two evils arguments, period.

[Dan]

I think. I think the Hodge. I don't listen to their show or anything, but I get the sense that they are in a don't vote for Trump kind of state. And I think that, you know, like, Nick Fuentes has been super clear about that.

[Alex Jones]

But.

[Dan]

But, yeah, Alex can't escape from the. Like, I'm in a battle against the devil. And also, let's look at the congressional district map.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, I don't know, man.

[Jordan]

Those two, they'll fall in line. They'll. They'll all fall in line sooner or later.

[Dan]

Once. Once the. The Prophet motive is acute enough.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Yeah, we'll see. But it's. It was, you know, a little refreshing to have Alex back in studio. And I. I will say, as much as I relish him almost dying on Tim Pool's show and. And, like, it's pretty funny.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It.

[Dan]

I. If I have to listen to a guy for hours, I don't want to listen to that voice he had recently. That voice at least sounds decent.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I will also say this. I prefer to defeat my enemy on the field of battle. I do not want to find out that he shit himself to death before we got into a fight. Man, That's. That's no fun. That's no fun.

[Dan]

See, not me. I'm. I'm the kind of guy. I'm the kind of guy who, if I can, like, dodge combat in a game, like a video game, I'm fine with it. Like, what was that? Damn it. What was the name of that game that I got deep into for a minute? Blueprints no, the role. The space role playing thing, the RPG that. Outer worlds, I think.

[Jordan]

Outer worlds. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay.

[Dan]

Yeah. I was so fine with, like, just talking to the bosses and not having to have a encounter in a fight. I don't want the fight. You shit yourself over there. That's fine. We're good.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But that's the difference between us.

[Jordan]

But see, what you're describing is just a different form of the same conflict. By meeting your enemy on the field of battle, you decided that not fighting was a victory. So you've outsmarted your enemy and kept them from fighting you and watched them defeat themselves. You weren't just, like, outside and then you turn to the left and you're like, oh, the big boss died. Just died.

[Dan]

Oh, well, I think that would be an interesting structure for a video game, and I might not dislike it. It might be fine with.

[Jordan]

That would be an interesting structure. If you just sleep long enough, the boss dies on his own.

[Dan]

Yeah. The point is that you want to fight, and I think I'd be fine if he just had died on Tim.

[Jordan]

Fair enough. Fair enough.

[Dan]

But, hey, this has been interesting. I hope. I hope it all comes out all right. I'm sorry if there's a bit of weird sound or anything is. Is different. I know that for me, personally, I'm using a different mic and it's not handheld, and I feel fucked up. Yeah, I need to get a new mic. I need to get another mic that's handheld because I can't handle this having both hands.

[Jordan]

I can feel it from you. I can feel that moment that when you. You do a show and then they. They tell you, surprise, we've only got a lapel mic or we don't have a mic. You don't need it at all. And then you're just doing stuff with your hands. The whole. You're like doing one of those. You're, like waving them around. You're like, this is not where my hands are supposed to go. I should be holding a microphone in one of them.

[Dan]

Yeah. I almost broke out into making, like, balloon animals in the middle of this podcast. Like, I don't know what to do.

[Jordan]

How can you? How can you not?

[Dan]

Hopefully, by my next stop, I'll see some kind of electronics store or something and go see if I can find a handheld mic. But, yeah, this is. It's been fun.

[Jordan]

This has been fun.

[Dan]

Glad we can. I'm glad we can do this remotely from this horrible, horrible town.

[Jordan]

I can't believe that. Okay, so here's the thing. I know, I know why you can't tell me. I'm fine with why you can't tell me. But there are certain situations where if you just kind of floated it, maybe we could have done a little bit of punch up.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

And you wouldn't wind up in Santa Claus.

[Dan]

I, I agree with where your heart is, but that I think that this was inevitable. No amount of like you trying to be like, don't go to fucking Santa Claus, Indiana. No amount of argument that you made would have been able to dissuade me from thinking it was a funny idea. And that's, that's my bad. That's, you know, like I own it. And, and it's, it's a learning experience. I've learned from this and I'm not going to do it again.

[Alex Jones]

Good.

[Dan]

Until, well, I go to Mount Olympus. Indiana, which is another town.

[Jordan]

I might go to Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

We'll see. We'll see what happens.

[Jordan]

If there is a similar statue of Zeus doing the Heil Hitler, then we've got a real problem with Indiana.

[Dan]

I might be uncovering some hard truths. So we'll check back in and see how things are going. But who knows where I'll be at that point.

[Jordan]

Missives from the Far East.

[Dan]

We do have a website you can find.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. @knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

yep, we'll be back. But until that. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DCX Clark. I am mysterious professor.