#1130: March 21, 2006

Summary

Knowledge Fight – Episode #1130: March 21, 2006 (Released April 1, 2026)

Main Theme & Purpose

In this episode of Knowledge Fight, Dan and Jordan dig into a March 21, 2006 broadcast of The Alex Jones Show. The episode centers on Alex's much-hyped interview with Charlie Sheen (about 9/11 and government conspiracy theories), the peculiar media landscape of the mid-2000s, and the nature of celebrity-activist culture. Woven throughout are Dan and Jordan’s reflections—often comic or poignant—on small-town America, the persistence of Alex’s grifts, and broader questions about how fringe ideas and personalities chase mainstream attention.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Life on the Road, Friendship, and Disillusionment (00:17–13:31)

• Dan returns from his travels, describing quirky adventures in small midwestern towns with names like Santa Claus and Friendship, Indiana.
  • Memorable anecdote about seeing two dogs on a country road and buying a Donkey Kong Pez dispenser on the way to Friendship. This sets a tone of both nostalgia and unease.
• Contrast between surface whimsy and underlying ugliness:
  • Upon arriving in Friendship, Dan is charmed by "Friendship School" and "Friendship Insurance," but quickly disturbed by seeing racist Sambo statues and a Confederate flag (07:04).
  • Dan reflects: “Some people just kind of suck. There’s going to be some suck people out there. But I think that this town kind of has a problem if the neighbors aren’t upset about that.” (07:47)
• Jordan and Dan discuss how optimism is often punctured by the realities of racism and intolerance in small-town America (09:10–10:00).
• Quote: “I think that the desolation and depressing kind of glimpse at humanity that Alex provides makes me yearn for something that is not that.” – Dan (11:25)
• They joke about doing live shows on the road, with Jordan dialing in from home (12:02–13:07).

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Bright Spots and Existential Tennis (14:36–19:11)

• Dan tries to find a "bright spot," reflecting on Survivor and how judging a show or life takes time:
  • “You can’t judge one chapter of it.” (16:00)
• Jordan’s bright spot: playing tennis and coming to terms with aging, reinforced by Dan’s existential reminder, “You were younger than you’re ever going to be again when you played that tennis ball… You will only be older.” (18:13)
• A throughline emerges—evaluating things in totality, whether it’s a life, a season of television, or history itself.

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The 2006 Alex Jones Show: Conspiracies & Celebrity (19:15–72:22)

1. The Charlie Sheen Interview Fallout

• Alex is elated about the Sheen interview, convinced it should be major news.
  • Quotes:
    • “Our Charlie Sheen interview has been... posted all over the internet... All these neocons... they are... sitting little threatening, little mean emails about, oh, Charlie Sheen, look, you know, he had trouble with women and drugs in the past... So how dare him have any right to say anything.” (25:28)
    • “He knows all about 9/11. He’s been listening to the show for years…” (25:47)
• Repeated homophobic asides: Alex claims neocons are mad at Sheen because “he likes women,” drawing bizarre and bigoted contrasts with Republican leadership and referencing gay male prostitutes (30:37).
  • “At least Charlie Sheen back in the 90s, you know, it was women, you know, and he doesn’t do that anymore. He’s a homebody now.” (27:56)
  • Jordan and Dan break down this ranking of sins, the banality of 2000s homophobia, and how Alex’s views have only grown more disguised over time:
    • “It is so boring and banal how everybody was just like, oh, being gay is wrong all the time.” – Jordan (34:02)
    • “Alex hasn’t changed… except for hiding these beliefs behind even worse ones.” – Dan (35:29)

2. Media Gatekeeping & Publicity Frustration

• Alex’s misunderstanding of how entertainment news works: He rails against AP and entertainment reporters for not picking up the Sheen story, oblivious to how PR, editorial interest, and celebrity image management really work (36:01–41:33).
  • “Your story’s up there… and then jerks it after four hours and then doesn’t put it in his archive… Email Drudge and say, Drudge, why didn’t you post that story? Why aren’t you covering it?” – Alex (62:54)
• Dan explains that the lack of coverage may have more to do with Charlie Sheen’s PR team than any nefarious media conspiracy—and that Sheen’s “crazy” persona actually insulates him from tabloid fallout (64:21).
• Audience mobilization: Alex tells listeners to bombard media outlets to manufacture demand and attention:
  • “If you don’t report, no one will… call Associated Press… and say, isn’t that newsworthy? That Charlie Sheen is… especially Charlie Sheen…” (43:19).

3. Celebrity as Proxy for Credibility

• Caller points out hypocrisy—when celebrities endorse establishment views (like Bono and climate change), Alex scoffs, but he’s desperate for a celebrity on his side (49:27).
• Dan summarizes:
  • “He’s mad that celebrity culture doesn’t bend in his direction.” (51:39)
  • “If Bono was saying that we needed to shut down all immigration, they’d hail him as a hero.” (50:17)
• The discussion unpacks how both the right and left exploit or critique celebrity only to the extent celebrities agree with them.

4. Calls, Comedy, and Beef

• Weird and random callers punctuate the episode.
  • One caller tries chanting "Om Shanti," which Alex reads as evidence of “mind-destroyed youth.” Dan notes this just shows Alex’s fear of culture and difference (45:40–47:06).
  • Spirited debate about whether comedy itself is “of the devil” (48:01).
• An interview with a “beef guy” from Texas (a cattleman) falls totally flat, noted by Dan and Jordan as dull and irrelevant (54:47).
• Alex does a live ad for water filters and—accidentally—admits to using fear as a sales tactic (56:01):
  • “Scaring you gets you to buy filters. Fine. I’m telling you, that’s not even a threat.”

5. The Water Filter Grift Gets Exposed… Live

• The water filter rep corrects Alex on-air: the products don’t actually remove fluoride unless you buy a special add-on. This reveals Alex has been lying for years about a core sales pitch (58:14).
  • “The actual black Berkey filters don’t take any of the fluoride out, Alex. It’s just with the… Post filter.” (58:24)
• Dan and Jordan point out how grifts like this become habitual, and rarely have consequences for the grifter—even when exposed in real time.

6. The Search for Attention and Relevance

• Repeatedly, Alex is fixated on the attention he believes he deserves:
  • “8 million page views yesterday on the two sites together in the aggregate…” (62:54)
  • Jordan: “You can tell that… Alex is clearly so desperately attached to numbers…” (67:26)
• Dan and Jordan observe that Alex has always been a parasite on larger media or tech entities—Drudge, YouTube, Twitter, etc.—and speculate that when cut off, he'll simply be “a guy with a Twitter account.” (70:07)
  • “He is only going to exist as the parasitic, free floating brain parasite.” – Jordan (71:28)
• Alex’s career is seen as a “morality play,” demonstrating the pitfalls of chasing notoriety at the expense of substance or loyalty.

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Notable Quotes

• On small-town racism:
  “Some people have just made peace with the fact that someone's got fucking racist statues on their porch.” – Dan (09:10)
• On worldview and disillusionment:
  “I don’t want to say that my experience is largely that the world sucks more than I think it does. But there is a little bit of a trend of me coming into places like fairly optimistically, and then seeing Nazi Santa and Confederate flags and friendship.” – Dan (10:09)
• On Alex’s homophobia:
  “It is so boring and banal how everybody was just like, oh, being gay is wrong all the time.” – Jordan (34:02)
• On Alex’s urge for attention:
  “The way he’s talking about the millions of page views... that’s somebody whose brain is gonna be fucked by the attention and the numbers of social media.” – Dan (67:44)
• On the futility of chasing validation:
  “He’s up against his own... it’s a Sisyphean task trying to get publicity for this.” – Dan (66:31)
• On grift and consequences:
  “She knows she would probably get fired and—or sued if she makes false claims about these filters, whereas Alex can do whatever the fuck he wants.” – Dan (62:10)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Dan’s trip to Friendship, Indiana: 04:00–09:10
• Reflection on surface charm vs racism: 07:04–09:46
• Age and tennis as life metaphor: 14:55–19:11
• Alex Jones on Charlie Sheen Interview: 24:10–36:00
• Homophobic rants / celebrity politics: 30:37–36:00
• Alex’s failed attempts to publicize Sheen interview: 36:01–43:19
• Alex instructs audience to create fake demand: 43:19–44:03
• Discussion of celebrity culture hypocrisy: 49:27–53:07
• Caller does “Om Shanti,” comedy as devil’s tool: 45:40–49:04
• Exposure of water filter lie (fluoride): 58:14–60:03
• Drudge numbers fixation: 62:54–67:26
• Meta-reflection on Alex as a “brain parasite”: 70:07–71:28

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Tone & Language

• Witty and irreverent, with moments of frank sorrow or disgust, as is typical for Knowledge Fight.
• The hosts blend satire, skepticism, and a kind of gallows humor when discussing Alex Jones’ grifts or societal regression.
• Both sharply critical of Alex, but with self-aware recognition of how “the air we all breathed” around homophobia and media culture has shifted over time.
• Notable moment of meta-awareness:
  “He’s the view by which we can judge the past, but he himself is a piece of shit throughout all time.” – Jordan (35:40)

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Conclusion

Episode #1130 is a snapshot of both a ridiculous era in American conspiracy culture and the ongoing, often pathetic quest for legitimacy by its most notorious players. Dan and Jordan use the mundane, the outrageous, and the downright depressing (both inside and outside the Jonesian orbit) to reflect on how little some things have changed, how far others have. At its heart, the episode is a meditation—sometimes rueful, sometimes hilarious—on searching for connection and meaning in a world where both are all too easily corrupted, commercialized, or lost.

Transcript

[Dan]

Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Hello, hello, hello. Such a big hit. This new catchphrase intro. They have to bring it back.

[Jordan]

Do you even do it on purpose?

[Dan]

I did this time. Not the first time.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right.

[Dan]

I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Hello. We are here. We're recording a little introduction for this episode because I have returned.

[Jordan]

You have returned triumphantly from the road.

[Dan]

From the road. I was out for about a week. But we have an extra pre recorded episode that we had made in anticipation of this going longer.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And so we figure, hey, there's a war brewing and all that stuff.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

Why not? Go ahead and dump this episode for you folks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we can stay in the present day.

[Jordan]

There's a. There's a thing that we do which is a problem, is that other people. And I know this because I've been on shows, I've been on other shows. They're like, this will come out in weeks. And I'm like, what are you talking about? Tomorrow you drop it tomorrow.

[Dan]

Keep it. Keep the ball in the airplane spinning.

[Jordan]

So. So there is a. There is a big part of, like, if we don't release this episode now, there's a good chance it's never coming out.

[Dan]

That's my fear.

[Jordan]

That's.

[Dan]

That's exactly my fear is like, we're gonna put out an episode on Friday. Of course, it probably will have to do with Alex in the present day, you know, like, because there's really serious shit's going on.

[Jordan]

Shit's going on.

[Dan]

And so. Yeah. When would we ever put this out? We gotta put it out.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Yeah. So

[Jordan]

we have to put it out. Do you understand?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There is no bank. There's no banking. No.

[Dan]

So I'm back in Chicago, indeed, having seen the wonders of the world. I've tried new spices. Not really.

[Jordan]

This is. Trying new spices in the, like 1800s would have been mind blowing. That would have gotten you a fucking royal commission to go back.

[Dan]

How do I explain nutmeg?

[Jordan]

What is it? I'll tell you what, man. We're. We're doing. We've got a new thing going on in our house, spice wise.

[Dan]

What's that?

[Jordan]

We're doing gochujang sauce, my man.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

We're all about it.

[Dan]

I remember seeing that on a number of, like, weird Food Network shows. And. Yeah, it feels like it was hot for a minute.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, it was really. It really. They had some good publicists.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Now it's hot for forever in our house.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

How would you describe it?

[Jordan]

A little bit spicy, a little bit savory. A little bit. It's one of those things, ketchup. It is. It is. Like, it hits all those flavors or hits all of the stuffs, you know, and you just. You're like, yeah, it's good.

[Dan]

I'm pretty sure I've had it before, probably. Yeah, it's good. I'm glad. I'm glad you have a new. New spillage. That's not a spice, though, is it?

[Jordan]

No, it's not really a spice.

[Dan]

It's a condiment.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's fair.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I don't know.

[Dan]

I've not tried any new spices, but at a delightful time going around and. Yeah, I intended, I think, to maybe be gone a bit longer, but the lesson. Number of lessons learned. Technical limitations of the. The way I plan to record.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Maybe maybe wasn't gonna. Maybe wasn't. There were holes in the canoe.

[Jordan]

No plan survives getting punched in the mouth, my man.

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

That's how this works.

[Dan]

Exactly. And I got punched in the mouth by Santa Claus and by.

[Jordan]

By Hitler. Santa Claus. That'll punch you in the mouth.

[Dan]

And by. By sort of technological limitations. But it was a great time, and I'm gonna do it again probably fairly soon.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But there was. I did have an experience that I wanted to share with you.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And that is I left Santa Claus and I went to a little town called Friendship.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And I had a couple of wonderful experiences on the way to Friendship.

[Jordan]

Okay. Well, that's nice.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

One was that I was going down a country road and I saw two dogs walking towards me on the other side of the road.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

They looked like they were talking. I can't tell. I was in a car.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I'm not sure if they were talking.

[Jordan]

You were on a spirit journey, so it's possible they could be the type of dogs that do speak.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They looked like they knew what they were doing and they were doing it together.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I was going to Friendship, and I saw these dogs and I thought, this is. This is amazing. That's not a house in sight.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

They don't seem lost or scared or anything. They were having their own homeward fucking

[Jordan]

red fern growing ass people.

[Dan]

Beautiful.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So that got me in the spirit to go to Friendship.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And then I end up having to stop for gas. And so I stop, and there is an impulse buy stand with characters from the new Super Mario Galaxy.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Pez dispensers.

[Jordan]

Okay. All right.

[Dan]

And there was a Donkey Kong.

[Alex Jones]

Wow.

[Jordan]

Pez Dispensers. I'll be damned.

[Dan]

And so I kind of wanted to get a bunch of them because they're cool, fun Mario characters.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But Donkey Kong is my best friend.

[Jordan]

He is.

[Dan]

And so I thought, I'm going to Friendship. I'm getting a Donkey Kong Pez dispenser.

[Jordan]

Done and done.

[Dan]

Hooray.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I get to Friendship, all right.

[Jordan]

And no Donkey Kong's allowed in Friendship. It's a big sign right on the right as you drive in.

[Dan]

And no dog friends.

[Alex Jones]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

All dogs must be dog friends.

[Jordan]

Solo dogs only.

[Dan]

No. So it could have so easily been another Santa Claus where I made a mistake.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

But I didn't. I knew I was just gonna pass through, say hello to Friendship, and be on my way. Because I'd learned the lesson of Santa Claus.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

So I get to town, main drag of Friendship, Indiana. There's a big sign that says, welcome to Friendship. And then it's folded up by the wind. But there's another part underneath that says, if you look at it from the other side.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It says, come a stranger, leave a friend. Oh, I thought, this is nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I decided to walk around a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Go find the welcome to Friendship sign.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So I could take a picture with Donkey Kong.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so that's nice. And I pass Friendship school. I like. There's a friendship school.

[Jordan]

No. No. Good.

[Dan]

What fun. There's a friendship insurance.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

You could get friend insurance if someone's ever mean to you.

[Jordan]

My God.

[Dan]

You can, you know, get compensation.

[Jordan]

You're right. I would move out of any town named a thing.

[Dan]

There's a friendship bank.

[Jordan]

Nope. I'm out. If I was. If I was born and raised in Friendship, I would wake up every day going, I can't wait until I get the fuck out of this place so people will stop saying the word friendship to make.

[Dan]

I was tickled by all of it. So I'm walking around, I'm seeing this. I'm charmed by the weirdness and quirkiness of it all.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I take a turn on Friendship Street. I don't remember what the main street is, but there's another street, Friendship Street.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm walking down it a little bit, and I see, like, okay, down the road, there's not much. This isn't gonna be a long walk. But then I turn to the side, and I see a house. And on the porch, there are two sambo statues.

[Jordan]

And that's less friendly.

[Dan]

I look over to the other side, and I see a Confederate flag in a Window.

[Jordan]

And I'm like, unfriendly. Very unfriendly.

[Dan]

I got out of there, a friendship was ruined.

[Jordan]

It's so funny. It is. I swear to you. It's so funny because after you. After you said, there are two sambo sections, I was like, wait, are we saying that it was.

[Dan]

It was weird to see.

[Jordan]

I bet.

[Dan]

And the thing that it made me think of is, like, you know, some people just kind of suck. There's going to be some suck people out there.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But I think that this town kind of has a problem if the neighbors aren't upset about that.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It was pretty in your face. And like, there's no way this is ironic. Not that that would be okay.

[Jordan]

I mean, to be. To be very slightly, you know, broad about it. The Confederate flag maybe represents a falling apart of friendship. The. The. The inevitable, you know, the brother against brother, the lad. The lack of friendship.

[Dan]

You're right.

[Jordan]

It symbolizes the. That are inherent within the possibility of friendship.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that the reason I wanted to tell you this story is because I think it characterizes a lot of, like, some of my smaller town experiences.

[Jordan]

Oh, I thought you just wanted me to get rid of all of my sambo statues.

[Dan]

That too.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

It's like, I think there's a certain charm and a quirk to, like, friendship School and friendship insurance and all of this. And then you walk down the street and you see racism just in your fucking face. And it's not something that, like, people, like, if I lived in that town.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would probably deface them or steal them and throw them out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or something like, people have just made peace with the fact that someone's got fucking racist statues on their porch.

[Jordan]

You're right. What I'm hearing is that what we need to do, what we should have done. Right. We were. We were doing the desegregation thing. We're going to big schools in Alabama. They're being like, oh, you can't get in here. And the other people are like, we got to get in here. You know what I'm saying? Now imagine if we tried to solve segregation through novelty towns. Right? Of course we're going to desegregate friendship school. Are you trying to stop us from desegregating friendship School?

[Alex Jones]

If.

[Dan]

If there is a. What should be a slam dunk, it's desegregated.

[Jordan]

Desegregate friendship school. How do we not understand that? Like, it has to be desegreg. If you're segregating friendship school, you're just out of your mind.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Take that, George Wallace.

[Dan]

I don't want to say that my experience is largely that the world sucks more than I think it does.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But there is a little bit of a trend of me coming into places like fairly optimistically, and then seeing Nazi Santa and Confederate flags and friendship.

[Jordan]

It is, you know, it is the time. It is. It is the time.

[Dan]

It's disillusioning a little bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

In a way that also kind of feels like. Well, you should have known that.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I feel. I feel a little silly that I didn't expect to find.

[Jordan]

Right, right. I mean, I imagine that there would be a very different experience backpacking through Germany in, like, 1925 versus 1935.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, yeah, all in all, it was. It was a nice time. And I, you know, wandered around, found things, had a good time in woods, and. And I can't wait to go again, but perfect for now I'm back and I have my memories of friendship. And it is a.

[Jordan]

It is a wild juxtaposition, the freedom and joy you take in nature and in. In being outside and being present in the world, and also that you do what you do.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

This is crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that the desolation and depressing kind of glimpse at humanity that Alex provides makes me yearn for something that is not that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But then I also thought about something that is, like a weird dynamic between you and I, which is I think that I never really want to be home.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think you want to be home.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, I felt like it would be nice if I could just plan a bunch of shows and then have you on a screen. You know, you could, like, zoom in for a live show.

[Jordan]

All right. All right. So you're saying that what you do is you're going to go out on the road and just find places, and you'll just stop and be like, hey, we're going to barnstorm a show here.

[Dan]

I'm going to.

[Alex Jones]

I'm going to.

[Jordan]

You're on a barnstorming tour.

[Dan]

I'm going to go downtown in friendship and I'm going to bark. I'm going to try a crowd.

[Jordan]

You better have flyers. Do you should music man it. You should get other people to join you.

[Caller]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Walking through the parade.

[Dan]

Yeah, but. But he was a con artist. I'm actually there is that show.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But they might not like the show. Well, so I'm scamming them into thinking they might like it.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

But I thought that would be like. We could. We could come up with some sort of format where I'm just wandering around and I force you to zoom in.

[Jordan]

I could make. I could make up some excuse about how my legs simply no longer work.

[Dan]

Yeah. It's unfortunate somebody who really wants this to happen might break your legs.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's true. I could become a floating torso, but then I would always be available.

[Dan]

Mm. So this is something to think about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Something to kick around in the head.

[Jordan]

Possible.

[Dan]

But yeah, for now I'm glad to. Glad to have a little taste of that and know that more is coming down the road.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, I think I speak for everybody when I say I feel great for you, excited for you to get back out there.

[Dan]

But for now, I'm glad to be back also. And it's great to be, you know, great to be here.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And we'll be back with a normal ass episode. So fucking normal.

[Jordan]

So normal.

[Dan]

On Friday. But for now, please enjoy this pre recorded 2006 episode. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

I am sweating. Knowledgefire.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

Need. Need money.

[Alex Jones]

Andy and Kansas. Andy, stop it. Andy and Kansas. Andy and Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Caller]

Hello, Alex. The mustard color. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex Jones]

I love your word. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody, welcome back to Knowledge fight. I'm dad.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes who like to sit worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Dan, Jordan. Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

Well, I don't know if it's March. We're recording.

[Jordan]

I don't know if it's March. We don't know if it's March right now.

[Dan]

Typically March when we're recording. So in honor of that tradition, I'm gonna go ahead and go first.

[Jordan]

Okay? All right.

[Dan]

And look, I don't want to. I don't want to talk about Survivor.

[Jordan]

Okay, but you're going to talk about Survivor promise.

[Dan]

I don't want to just talk about Survivor in these bright spots, but March

[Jordan]

is your Survivor month.

[Dan]

Yeah. March Mad for the island.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's not bad.

[Dan]

No, it wasn't.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, it's not good.

[Dan]

It was nothing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Here's the thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I need to make a correction.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And it is not about whether I've been too hard or too soft on survival.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

It's that I realize something.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

You can't watch an episode of Survivor. It's not right of me to judge it week to week.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

That unfolds over the course of a season. You can really only judge a season.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Well. And I think that my approach to this, like, looking at being like, oh, look at this. I mean, don't get me wrong, Jeff, probstrapping is unacceptable. I'm not going to let him off the hook for that.

[Jordan]

Please don't.

[Dan]

But looking at one episode and being like, oh, this. Something dumb happened or it's not fair. It's. It's a. It's a. It's a book. I don't need. I can't judge one chapter of it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Evaluating chapter by chapter is usually no good. No good. On the other hand, part of that evaluating chapter by chapter is asking yourself the question, if you introduce a boomerang idol, do I care if it gets boomeranged? And if it doesn't, then I gotta go.

[Dan]

Yeah. But I. You know, thinking about it and worrying about it too much now isn't really productive.

[Jordan]

That's fair.

[Dan]

We can judge that and we can assess it. We can talk about it in hindsight once the season is done, when it's

[Jordan]

come back to us.

[Caller]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And that's. That's really what I wanted say about myself. Call myself out for that.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I will always enjoy watching it. Even when the episodes are bad.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Because I'm waiting to see what the season is at the end of the season. I can say that season kind of sucked or I can say that season was good, but it's not individual episodes. Not fair. I'm cutting myself.

[Jordan]

The only. The only way to judge a life is in totality. Right. You can't. You can't wait until it has to be finished before you can say the final word.

[Dan]

Well,

[Jordan]

I mean, I guess Hitler had. Yeah, never mind. It doesn't. It doesn't have to be. It's not a hard and fast rule. Yeah. Loose guideline.

[Dan]

Okay. So it's your bright spot, Hitler guy.

[Jordan]

My bright spot was, oh, yesterday went out. My cousin and I played a little tennis for the first time this year.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it was good.

[Dan]

What's your handicap?

[Jordan]

Real bad.

[Dan]

Wait, did that. Is that. Does that Exist in tennis or just.

[Jordan]

I think they have a rating system. I think they have a rating system where it's like, oh, I'm a four. You know how people do stuff like that?

[Dan]

You and your cousin don't keep score, right?

[Jordan]

We play. We play score, we keep score, but we don't keep score in the sense that I lose every time. Even if the score is good, the game tells you that I'm losing very hard.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah. So it's. It's. It's not a concern about the score, you know, but, you know, it's the

[Dan]

thing about the doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, it's fun. It's. Boy, this is the first year that it's like, man, I am old because we went out for the first time. And then today, my league, my legs are jello. Just absolute. Absolutely a mess down there.

[Dan]

Can I say something that's meant to be reassuring but actually makes it worse? Sure. You were younger than you're ever going to be again when you played that tennis ball.

[Jordan]

That makes sense.

[Dan]

You will only be older.

[Jordan]

That is true.

[Dan]

Oof.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, you know, you can only judge a life in its totality.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

Like a season of Survivor. You, you know, you're beaten up on some of these challenges.

[Jordan]

It does it. You know, it does really hammer home, like, ah, there's some stuff I wish I hadn't done when I was a younger boy. Yep.

[Dan]

And I wonder, like, what kind of like, you know, breakthroughs in physiology will. Will happen that'll make people. Their bones and their muscles not deteriorate like ours are.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, I'm. I'm rooting for Exosuit. I'm rooting for Exosuit. Hardcore.

[Dan]

Well, I saw a white paper called Elysium. Certainly.

[Jordan]

I'll take it.

[Dan]

And some. Has some Exosuits.

[Jordan]

I will go full cyborg in a heartbeat. I am on record.

[Dan]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, Jordan.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

Today we have a episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Gonna be in the past.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Dan]

Continuing on through March 2006, Alex has just interviewed Charlie Sheen.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And also seen V for Vendetta, but not talked about it.

[Jordan]

Man, that is some. That is some fucking Chekhov's gun failures right there. Like, that's brutal.

[Alex Jones]

We.

[Dan]

We started back in our, you know, jaunt in 2006 with a surprise about Slobodan Milosevic.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And now we're in much deeper waters with Charlie Sheen and V for Vendetta.

[Jordan]

Weirdly enough.

[Dan]

Scanner Darkly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

All of these hanging threads are like, we need resolution.

[Jordan]

What a. What a fucking Mad Libs ass time period.

[Alex Jones]

Mm.

[Jordan]

You know, like, just all the words that you've said are insane in the

[Dan]

same context and somehow reassuring. Kind of cozy.

[Jordan]

I mean, yeah. Weird.

[Dan]

So we'll talk about Alex's time on March 21, 2006. But before we do, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new Wongs.

[Jordan]

Ooh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, from Cash Bylaw to any fellow former fans who may be out there, we are all love Blazeball. And to honor our hosts, we are from Chicago. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. I dreamed I had to help Jordan with a complex heist to steal a Kurt Vonnegut book from a Games Done quick event. While Dan did a SpeedRun of Donkey Kong 64. And I don't know what this says about my psyche. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And the Murder ant episode of MacGyver haunted my childhood nightmares so bad. Thanks for bringing back those terrifying memories. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we had to take the credit in the mixed. Jordan. So thank you so much to. I am a trauma therapist under supervision, and I ask all of my clients at the end of their session what their bright spot was. I want you guys to know that you're affecting lives that don't even listen to knowledge fight. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Sharp. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes. Thank you very much.

[Dan]

That's very nice to hear. But it's hard to cold read.

[Jordan]

That is the struggle. Heartfelt messages are tougher in the cold.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Much easier to say something about me playing Donkey Kong 64. In your dreams.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So we got some Charlie Sheen fallout going on. We got some. Alex is basking in the rays of

[Jordan]

famous people being near him.

[Dan]

Yep. But at the same time, he's also worried that Bush is about to attack Iran.

[Alex Jones]

Wow. President Bush had a press conference this morning. Bush defends decisions on Iraq war and says that it will be there at least through 08 into the next administration. And he says, look past the bloodshed and see freedom. So I want to go over some of these nauseating points that he's made. And he also yesterday warned Israel. Excuse me, and Freudian slip warned Iran that if they don't do everything that Israel and others want, they're going to get attacked, and that if Israel does attack them, they better lie down and take it. If they fire back, that is just the ultimate evil, and America will have to attack them. Sounds good to me. Hey, we're gonna attack you. You're gonna lay there and tag you. You understand? Good.

[Dan]

So the ultimate evil thing that the globalists and Bush, the thing that was going to be Bush's next step after the Iraq war is the thing that Trump is doing in the present.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's fun.

[Jordan]

Yeah. This one's. This one was. I've been. I've been really dreading, really having to relive exactly how stupid things were. And this really is like a good jumping off point for, like, this is how stupid things were then and now. It's dumber. It's dumber than that. We have not learned.

[Dan]

It is way dumber.

[Jordan]

It is way dumber. It is a. It is a. It's. It's a. It's like a slap in the face of the concept of learning itself. Everything since you were a child was like, you're going to gradually improve at something just by virtue of redoing it over time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's not true.

[Dan]

No. Well, it's true in some things, but apparently not in all. And this isn't like a our kids these days kind of old people grumpy about how. How everything's stupider now. It's us.

[Jordan]

We are them.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

We're not like all these young kids. We're like. We're. It's us.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

The call is coming from inside my brain.

[Dan]

My grandpa was right. We shouldn't have watched Jackass.

[Jordan]

We shouldn't have. We shouldn't have.

[Dan]

So I think that, you know, obviously, things are stupid now, but like. But like, you're saying things are stupid in 2006 too. Like Alex's mix of headlines, one I

[Alex Jones]

didn't get into yesterday. China bans weird baby names. That's the incredible freedom of our good economic buddy that's de. Industrializing us. But Iran's the threat. Not. Not China. China's just. Just wonderful. They're. They're good people. Back to Iraq. Death squads on the prowl. Iraq Convulsed by fear. And of course now it's been confirmed by Iraqi police.

[Dan]

Such a mix of subjects. We got Iraqi death squads and China's banning weird names.

[Jordan]

And yet, and yet the tone of those makes it sound as though the weird baby names thing, that's the real threat here.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, I think it's an easier story to cover.

[Jordan]

Well, there's definitely that.

[Dan]

You can just tee off on that one. What's a weird name?

[Jordan]

What is a weird name? You're all your names are weird to me. I'm from Texas.

[Dan]

Yeah. So, you know, you got these, these kind of plates that are spinning. We got Bush is threatening Iran, China's threatening weird names.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Iraqi death squads are threatening everybody.

[Jordan]

The three most dangerous things in 2006.

[Dan]

But really more what's going on is that Alex is like, I fucking did it. I interviewed Charlie Sheen and he's a great man and the neocons really just don't like him because he's not gay.

[Alex Jones]

Our Charlie Sheen interview has been of course posted all over the Internet, blogs, forums, everywhere. And all these neocons, the tiny little gun grabbing anti American minority, they are, are the ultra Soviet minority. They are, are sitting little threatening, little mean emails about, oh, Charlie Sheen, look, you know, he had trouble with women and drugs in the past back in the 90s. So how dare him have any right to say anything. Your president is a DWI admitted cokehead who kisses on and hugs on male prostitutes inside the press briefing room in front of everyone. And you all ignore it. He knows he can just do it in front of everybody. And they admittedly bush in gay porn stars. So. So, you know, at least Charlie Sheen back in the 90s, you know, it was women, you know, and he doesn't do that anymore. He's a homebody now. And listen, I talked to the guy. I was impressed. He knows all about 9 11. He's been listening to the show for years and we had him on because it exposes 9 11. And I can't wait to write a response to these nut jobs. I mean, you guys are really pathetic. I know Jeff Gannon and, and you know all those other people. I'm not just talking about Jeff Gannon, you understand. The New York Post and others have reported the San Francisco Chronicle that literal jets land with $5,000 a day male prostitutes from all over America and Europe to go in there with your Christian conservative leaders and enjoy themselves. I mean, it makes Brokeback Mountain look like a tiddlywinks. I can't wait to Write a response to this.

[Jordan]

Wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Alex Jones]

I mean, you guys are just unbelievable. Oh, and you're so Christian. You know, look at who Christ was out there working with. Look at who he was reforming. Look at who he was. You guys need to get the sticks out of your own eyes now. Maybe you'd like Sheen if it was men. I understand you're good Republicans and I understand basically who runs the Republican Party, Drudge and all that crew. I mean, believe me, I fully understand. And so you're mad that Charlie likes girls and it upsets you. It's very upsetting to you. Of course, this is my audience. It isn't even the neocons that are emailing me. I've just got to write all this up because it's just, you guys cannot deal with reality. You can't deal with anything. Go drink your Jack Daniels and you know, you're good and everything's fine. Charlie Sheen doesn't even drink now. Now he's a teetotaler.

[Dan]

Yeah, well, that, who knows? That makes you think of that Tim Pool moment. He's drinking tea now. Yeah, he's drinking Topo Chico now. Now, Charlie, she be sober now.

[Jordan]

Now. Very important.

[Dan]

So recently he put out a memoir. Charlie Sheen did.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah, that's right, he did. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And in interviews he very famously talked about how he flipped the menu.

[Jordan]

He did.

[Dan]

And had sex with men.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

So I don't. It's so funny for Alex to be like, at least he likes women. At least he's not gay like you Republicans.

[Jordan]

What aide?

[Dan]

Yeah, he was Charlie's open minded fella.

[Jordan]

What a wild series of criticisms to think that they are criticism, you know what I'm saying? Like he thinks those are critiques as opposed to just saying homophobic things at a, at a wall.

[Dan]

Yeah, you know? No, not to a wall. To his imagination of the people who are emailing him.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

He's using his radio show to respond to these emails that may or may

[Jordan]

not exist, which is a very healthy attitude. You know, if I, if I see that and I say, what if that man had access to social media? I think he's going to do great with it.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, he's not going to fall.

[Jordan]

I think he's going to be really responsible about it too.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex is largely just kind of, you know, like a. I am cool. I interviewed famous, specifically heterosexual man Charlie Sheen.

[Jordan]

Very much so.

[Dan]

And the neocons of the new world order are just really upset. And I think all of you new world Order. People are cowards.

[Alex Jones]

They love it. I've had neocons say, I want to take a chip. I want one to prove I'm good. They want to put all the Arabs in camps, all the Muslims in camps. They want to live in a police state because they're cowards. Because deep down they know the new world order is coming down. So they've made a psychological decision to rationalize everything.

[Dan]

But Alex believes that a new world order is coming down too. He just thinks that it could be a different new world order. Yeah, this doesn't. This doesn't match that.

[Alex Jones]

When.

[Dan]

When I talk about in 2026, him saying, like, we're having a new new world order. This is part of the reason why it doesn't work for him. This is part of his history.

[Jordan]

That clip sounds like a bullet fired from the past.

[Dan]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Like it is. That is like. What else did you. What else do you need to hear, man? Come on, buddy. Listen to yourself.

[Dan]

Listen to yourself. Call yourself a coward.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Listen to yourself. This is you talking to you.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we get back to the subject of Charlie Sheen and his sexual proclivities.

[Jordan]

Sure. Which is absolutely great.

[Alex Jones]

That's scary. And they can't even admit that to themselves. They're not going to admit homosexual prostitutes in the. In the White house past midnight, 50 something times with other male prostitutes with them. These aren't male prostitutes for the women, boys and girls. This is for the neocons, those disgusting fat old men in there, or little twerply men doing all the things they do.

[Jordan]

2006, huh?

[Alex Jones]

How about it? Sick. It makes me want to throw up. And you know, I'm not saying the things Charlie Sheen's done is good, but my gosh, being 25 years old and liking racy women, if that's the case, then King David, a man after God's own heart, is in deep trouble. He had people killed for their women, and God forgave him. But you can't forgive Charlie Sheen, can you?

[Jordan]

Wait,

[Alex Jones]

last time I checked, he isn't killing people for their women. He just likes them. And what hypocrites are you out there to tell yourselves it's because you've never acted on impulses? And that's good that you don't like women.

[Dan]

Come on, man. He likes women.

[Jordan]

I am feeling very confused.

[Dan]

Well, let me help. If you have any questions.

[Jordan]

All right, so. So I feel like a ranking is being made here. Right. Obviously. Number one, Jesus without sin.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know, obviously. That's tops. Right. Number two. Fucking A. Lady. Under inauspicious circumstances.

[Dan]

We're talking about a racy lady.

[Jordan]

I think that's what we're talking about. Okay. Number two. Right. Number three, I believe murdering men to steal their women.

[Dan]

So we're talking King David is below Charlie Sheen.

[Jordan]

And then number four is just being attracted to a man in some form

[Dan]

or fashion that is certainly less forgivable for Alex.

[Jordan]

It feels like that's where we're at right here.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that, you know, with David. With King David.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

An essential piece of his story is the repentance.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That is pretty important.

[Dan]

You know, like, he wouldn't. God would not have thought him of his. His, like, after his own heart.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

If he had done all that and then been like, I also have tiger blood and I'm winning.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like, that. That would be a problem for God.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, I mean, it's. It's also helpful for. Helpful for us, for everybody who knew David and David himself to be dead. Right. Then we don't have to bring any of our own complicated moral baggage to it at all. Like that guy. It's too late for me to care now.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

David's sitcom was terrible.

[Jordan]

That wasn't very good. They said he was a good singer. Couldn't talk for shit.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that there is just some thing going on where Alex is just like, look, yeah, he's bad, but he talked to me and he's not gay.

[Jordan]

Yep. That is exactly. I mean, it is. It is amazing.

[Dan]

Low bar.

[Jordan]

It is so hard to. To, like, really. And I think it happens to everybody. It happens to every generation. It happens to everybody. It is so hard to remember some of the most banal things. But the worst part of remembering banal things is when banal things were exactly how homophobic everyone was.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Like, it's hard to remember because it wasn't exciting or. Or newer in anything. It was so boring and banal how everybody was just like, oh, being gay is wrong all the time.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know?

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that it's not what Alex wants to present as was normal then.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, these men. These are, like the things that he could get away with and were normal of the time.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And now he wants to be like, hey, if people are gay, I'm totally fine with it. I'm totally cool with it.

[Jordan]

No big deal. What you do in your bedroom was your own business.

[Dan]

Right. And that's not the case. That's never been his perspective. It's just that social progress made it to A certain point where it was no longer acceptable for him to act like this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Without being accurately labeled as the hateful person that he is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it is.

[Jordan]

And it is like this. This is judged and it should be judged. And it's also like. But at the time, you have to remember that Obama got elected and they were like, hey, should gay people be married? And he's like, ah, I'm thinking about it.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

I'm thinking about it.

[Dan]

Right. It's, you know, it was the air that we all breathed in and we all part of cult, all felt like that was what was normal. And I think that you can look back at people and their actions and have criticisms of them.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But if they've changed it also, that makes things different.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Alex hasn't changed.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Except for hiding these beliefs behind even worse ones.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So that's the real problem.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's the view by which we can judge the past, but he himself is a piece of shit throughout all time.

[Dan]

Yes. The platonic ideal of a piece of shit. Yeah. So, Alex, I think one of the, like, real strong feelings he has this day is he did not get enough attention for the Charlie Sheen interview.

[Jordan]

He wanted more.

[Dan]

Oh, yeah. It should have been bigger.

[Alex Jones]

You know, I get a call from Charlie last week. Check. It is Charlie Sheen. Talk to him three or four times, sometimes an hour and a half at a time. He wants to, you know, wants to come on, he wants to stand up. Only place he felt safe, he said to come out and speak where he wouldn't be taken out of context. Out of context. And I said, charlie, you know, you're so on target with this that they'll probably. There's a good chance they'll ignore it because it'll be so mainline. And the facts you lay out will be so documented that they can't attack you. This isn't something dirty to say about you. I predicted that there'd be a predominant blackout in the mainstream media on this. And other people, like, oh, no way, man. I mean, if, you know, if a Hollywood person falls off their bicycle, that's taught. Especially Charlie Sheen. I said, just watch. And then we get a call from ap, we're talking to them. They're gonna do.

[Jordan]

Hiding the.

[Alex Jones]

Nothing happens. We call AP out in la, talk to their head guy out there. Jeff Williams, I believe is the name. Left the notes at the home office. I brought those with me. Yeah, it's Jeff Williams. And he's just real. Yeah, Alex, what do you want? Just real. Just real tough guy. You Got that whole MO about him. Wonder if he's seen some tours in Southeast Asia. I wonder what he's been up to. But important.

[Jordan]

Wait, what?

[Alex Jones]

AP in Los Angeles over the propaganda bureau. Seemed like an experienced fellow. And I'm like, yeah, you guys aren't gonna run this story. And he goes, no, we're not. I know all about Charlie Sheen. I personally don't care what he says. I go, oh, but Is it newsworthy? Mr. Williams, your very office, your very AP office put out the Santana story. Carlos Santana, just with a milk toast. Statement. I said. I said a tame statement about, you know, he disagrees with the war and then he's into peace and love. A different philosophy than Bush. He said, oh, whatever. And I said, well, I need to quote you on this. Are you saying this isn't newsworthy? And he said, we're not going to run anything. And I said, is it newsworthy to have Charlie Sheen saying Bush is arrogant? Wouldn't you normally run that if it wasn't attached to all this 911 information? And he said, you're not going to bait me and slam the phone down. You're not going to bait me claim. And then I called back. A woman answered. She's like, I must have Audex or, you know, phone number. She's like, yes. And I go, what's your name? I'm Alex Jones. She goes, I'm not going to talk to you. I'll send you back to Mr. Williams. And I'm like, don't you think this is newsworthy? Don't you think Charlie Sheen is newsworthy? I mean, regardless what you think of him personally, isn't this newsworthy? And she hung up. And I said, all right, baby. To my wife, who's sitting by me at her terminal, I said, I'm gonna call the Hollywood Reporter.

[Dan]

So what's going on here is that Alex doesn't understand how entertainment reporting works. Celebrities, particularly ones who do a lot of live performances, say a ton of crazy shit. And media outlets aren't going to just report on all of it. Some things get recorded, and they're just inevitable to become public conversations like. Like when Michael Richards had his racist meltdown at the Laugh Factory. There's no way to get around that getting talked about.

[Alex Jones]

Nope.

[Dan]

But other stuff, what you might call more marginal comments, generally get reported on or not based on publicists. On its own, Charlie Sheen said something weird. That isn't a story that's gonna sell itself to an outlet. And Charlie's publicity team isn't gonna get behind promoting his appearance on Alex's show. Conversely, Santana's reps are obviously doing their job and helping push the story about him being anti Bush because that's his brand and this is a puff piece kind of thing in the entertainment papers.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Entertainment news isn't the same as news news, and unfortunately, Alex doesn't really understand how either works. Charlie Sheen being on infowars and saying that he doesn't trust the mainstream narrative about 911 isn't newsworthy in terms of the real world or what you'd put in the main sections of the newspaper. It arguably could be newsworthy for places like TMZ that do celebrity gossip, but the problem is that at this point in 2006, Charlie's on a top rated network sitcom, and his reps are interested in keeping things that way. He's a guy with a rocky, troubled past who the tabloids love talking about. So if anything, there's a good chance that Charlie's publicity team is working against Alex in terms of trying to keep this interview lower profile. Alex's phone call stories, those aren't true, but they do depict something that is real, which is that he's a bad publicist.

[Jordan]

Yep. He doesn't understand. I mean, I get. I get that he's a psycho. Right. So he doesn't understand this. But to me, if I'm, like, at all personally speaking to Charlie Sheen, Charlie Sheen himself saying something along the lines of like. Like, I would like it so people didn't take me out of context and all of this stuff. Right. To then, like, shop around that he was on your show to other venue, to other places to try and get them to literally take him out of context in order to call the Hollywood Reporter. Right, exactly. Like, how are you not selling out your friend?

[Dan]

This is exactly the same sort of behavior as after Charlie had his freak out five years later, Alex going on the View.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Doing the media rounds that he could do in order to associate himself. Yes.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He's a bad person.

[Jordan]

He's a bad person.

[Dan]

He's being homophobic abstractly and then also just trying to exploit this person.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, in a way, there's something of a morality play to his entire life. Everything he does is something of a Punch and Judy show where it's like, at the end of it, kids should go. And now we don't do that. Right. That's how this goes. You treat your friends better than that.

[Dan]

Yeah. God, it just doesn't, you know, the consequences aren't automatic, it turns out.

[Jordan]

No. That's the problem. That's the problem with, you know, we're.

[Alex Jones]

We're.

[Jordan]

We're capable of thought, but animals learn by very quick consequences.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that everyone is so wrapped up in appearances, especially these days now, like. Like the. And even I say these days extending away. People were really caught up in the idea of what they thought Alex was, and they got bit by treating him like he was that as opposed to what he actually is.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that, I think, is the. One of the large themes of the Charlie Sheen and Alex play, you know,

[Jordan]

to bring it back to Alex's territory. It's almost like that. By the fruits of their actions and not the way it looks. You know, maybe I don't know if somebody said something about that a while back.

[Dan]

William Shakespeare.

[Jordan]

William Shakespeare.

[Dan]

How did he pronounce it? There's a Shakespeare mispronunciation. I can't remember now. Anyway, no one cares about this Charlie Sheen interview, and it's bumming Alex out.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

It's just such an illustration of what we face and what we deal with. And that's why it's up to you to spread the word and the stories we put out. If you don't do it, nobody will. If you don't report, no one will. It is. It is so vitally important that you report that you get the word out, that you email your friends, that you email your family, that you call the Associated Press all over this country, every office. You got one in your town. If it's a good sized city and you call them and you say, hey. And most of these people are nice. Most of them are on some government payroll and say, isn't that newsworthy? That Charlie Sheen is. Especially Charlie Sheen. But see, everything he said was so credible.

[Dan]

See, it's very transparent, the message that Alex has here. That is, no one's interested in the story that I'm trying to push. So I need you to make it marketable. I need you to be my street team. Push everything out. Get me publicity. Mm. Create the appearance of demand. So these papers will publish a story about him being on my show.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I think if people could see through that back then, it would have solved us a lot of headache.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's tough. It's tough because sometimes you're like, oh, gatekeepers shouldn't have control over things. But then other times you're like, maybe I'm just a piece of shit trying to trick a bunch of people into calling a newspaper.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think gatekeepers get a bad rap on one Hand. On the other hand, they don't. Right.

[Jordan]

The danger of being a gatekeeper.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think some gatekeepers. I especially think maybe in terms of entertainment, gossip, news, maybe that's fine. If there's a gatekeeper, maybe we need

[Jordan]

a bigger gate around all of it. Maybe entertainment, gossip, news needs a gigantic gate.

[Dan]

Maybe it was always stupid. I don't know.

[Jordan]

No, that we listen. We can never engage with the thought. Maybe it was always stupid. Then it goes out of control.

[Dan]

So a lot of. A lot of this episode, I'll be honest, not really worth listening to because it is just repeating Alex's feelings about how he should be cooler for talking to Charlie. She. And then also there's a lot of. There's calls. That's the other part of the show.

[Jordan]

Right, right.

[Dan]

Takes calls.

[Jordan]

Calls about how he should be more famous for talking to Charlie Sheen.

[Dan]

Some of them. And then some of them kind of go off the rails a little bit.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Alex Jones]

All right. Chris in New Hampshire, you're on the air. Go ahead. Yeah, you're on fire today. Alex. I just want to say thank you very much. That's funny, sir. That's. I'm not quite sure what that means. Pardon me. What does that mean? Let him go. Let him go. So many people have been. I don't know if he's been destroyed psychologically, but they have. So many young people I talk to are either awake or it's just giggle at everything and then act a fool and somehow everything will be all right. And maybe that's the response. Maybe. Maybe that's good, sir.

[Dan]

I don't know exactly what that guy was doing, but I believe he was saying Om Shanti.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is like a prayer to Shanti of, like, a piece.

[Jordan]

Yeah. He's doing a thing.

[Dan]

I think it's not the youth, their minds being destroyed. It's like. It's a cultural thing that Alex is. I think he thinks someone speaking like Hindi is a demon.

[Jordan]

Well, that's what I was thinking. I was trying to process what the world. Obviously, the. The world is not this. But what if Alex's points of view were the only two available to you? The mind is destroyed of the youth, which means that this is the type of behavior that comes from destroyed minds.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right. Which means I should be seeing something like this a lot more. If the entire youth has had their

[Dan]

mind destroyed, they're all going around praying.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I don't see that very often at all. Right. The other option is that they're just giggling at everything. I Wasn't giggling, which I don't even know if that's. Is that a thing? Is that. Is that a character trait?

[Dan]

Demons love to laugh.

[Jordan]

They just, ah. They just having a grand old time. So why are you mad?

[Dan]

And why are you so insistent that comedy be illegal if demons are all out there giggling?

[Jordan]

That's a good point.

[Dan]

Then if comedy is legal and everybody can make jokes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It'd be so much harder to tell the difference between demons and humans.

[Jordan]

Did we ever get to the bottom of whether or not the devil invented comedy?

[Dan]

Was this on the table?

[Jordan]

I thought that was the first. The first question, like, where does. Where does God come from? Second, is it the devil who gave us comedy?

[Dan]

I hate to say this as someone who likes to be funny, and I think, you know, I'd spend a lot of time doing comedy.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

I think in God's perfect world, no comedy, it's not necessary. A lot of comedy has to do with observations and things that are weird and not how they should be. Like, I don't think in heaven that would exist.

[Jordan]

I mean, the argument could be made that comedy is, in and of itself, a form of processing suffering.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And that therefore, should there be no suffering, there would be nothing funny to exist.

[Dan]

So I do think that you could make an argument that comedy is of the devil.

[Jordan]

I think it's. I think we have to. I think we have to admit it right now. All comedians are Satanists.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Rogan. Just Rogan.

[Jordan]

Just fucking Rogan.

[Dan]

Yeah. No, I don't know. I don't. I think that this conversation is dumb and fun on one level, but certainly not prescriptive of anything.

[Jordan]

I mean, it wasn't as. It wasn't as elucidating as maybe that call was.

[Dan]

No, no, I liked it.

[Jordan]

I kind of did, too.

[Dan]

I. Whenever I'm listening to these episod. So something like that really breaks things up. So Alex takes another call, and this guy is trying to justify why it's cool that Alex uses celebrity to get his message across.

[Alex Jones]

At the end of the day, I mean, the elite love using celebrities like Bon Jovi and the Sugababes, you know, when they're shilling for globalism. Oh, yeah, they sold. Why can't we. They've sold us that. That's all that matters. But then they try to switch gears and say, when one of these people gets out of line, oh, no, it doesn't matter. They try to slap them back down. That's exactly right. It's total hypocrisy. I mean, I mean, somebody like Charlie Sheeney was very informed. I had no idea he knew that much, to be honest. Oh, he knows a lot more than what you heard.

[Dan]

So this caller's point kind of reveals the shallowness of Alex's philosophy, because he's willing to give up on a good point. They have a good point that celebrities are used to promote causes that they may or may not actually care about themselves. Pretending that a celebrity endorsing something or promoting a cause automatically giving that thing credibility, pretending that's the case is dumb. And Alex is right when he criticizes that climate change isn't a cause worth caring about because Bono says it is. It's just a worthy cause, regardless of who's giving the message. Bono may be totally sincere in his convictions, but that really doesn't matter that much. He's using the star power that he gained from U2 and directing it towards a social cost which Alex isn't supposed to like. And he's very clear that he does not like the way they're dealing with the Charlie Sheen interview. And the way this caller is approaching the subject has a tendency to reveal that they aren't actually upset about celebrities preaching about stuff they have no business lecturing the public on. It's just conditional. If Bono was saying that we needed to shut down all immigration, they'd hail him as a hero. This makes it too clear that when they complain about how our culture is too caught up in celebrity worship, their criticism isn't that they're ready and willing to use celebrities in exactly the same way when the celebrity is saying what they want them to. Why are we listening to Bono is a compelling argument for a guy like Alex to make. But if you pay attention and understand what Alex is actually saying, he's really just complaining that more famous people don't agree with him, and he's forced to pretend lunatics like Ted Nugent and Mel Gibson's dad are relevant celebrities, and Charlie Sheen is the best he can do, I guess. But that's what it. That's. He's mad that celebrity culture doesn't bend in his direction.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is interesting, too, because obviously you can look at that as a. As a good faith talk about celebrity culture, but it feels like what he's really saying is that I'm the only real celebrity, right? So the only celebrity culture that matters to me is whenever people tell me how much I'm great, how great I am, am. Everything is an extension of how great I am.

[Dan]

So if my definition of celebrity is being in sync with the thing that I am.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. My definition of celebrity is seeing myself, but that's reflected in bigger lights.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, that's. It's. It's not true that that's the only barometer because Charlie Sheen is also famous.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

You also need the person to be famous.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. No, that. But that's what makes him a celebrity, right?

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

If the celebrity agrees with him, he is the celebrity. That's how his brain works. He can't process that. And if a celebrity disagrees with him, then he is not a celebrity anymore.

[Dan]

Well, sort of. But I think more accurately, it's if there is a celebrity who says the same shit that Alex says, he's a free thinker and he has a point of view and insight, and he's done his research. Because I, like me, if there is a celebrity who says something different, they're a brainwashed stooge of the Illuminati who are just using celebrities to push their message.

[Jordan]

Because I don't. Like. Not me.

[Dan]

Right, yeah. That's more what it is. Yeah, yeah. There's a credibility that comes with. You believe the exact same thing that I do.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So you should just reject all of it. Yeah. Like celebrity. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Maybe it's meaningless.

[Dan]

Maybe what they're into is a good message. Maybe it's not.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Who cares about them? Just reject all celebrity shit. And you have a of lot firmer ground to stand up, that's all.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. It's almost like we're. It's like how people talk about their dogs, you know, like, when you're talking about your dog, a lot of the times you're really talking about yourself.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

When you're talking about celebrities, you're complaining about yourself.

[Dan]

Yeah. You're complaining about the mirror that you see from that culture.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we get another caller. All right, this guy brings up a rather unfortunate point.

[Jordan]

Shanti.

[Caller]

Hi, Alex.

[Alex Jones]

Nobody deserves more commendation than you, Alex. You're the guy with risk and everything every day. With respect to Charlie Sheen, I am curious, though. Weren't they Clinton supporters? Yes, but I've talked to. I mean, Charlie really wasn't political then, and he's a gun owner. And he's more conservative than his father, I would venture to say.

[Dan]

Okay, okay, cool. I mean, obviously more conservative than Martin Sheen.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Martin Sheen's pretty progressive. Eh, liberal. Whatever.

[Jordan]

Whatever you want.

[Dan]

He's a lifelong Democrat. Yeah, yeah. I do think that this caller has a relevant concern. Sure. And Alex hand waves it.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the guy Accepts that.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Hey, doesn't this guy represent the things that we don't represent and think are actively evil? On the other hand, he's famous. Fair enough. That's a good point. I guess we'll move on. The proceedings can continue.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex interviews a guy who's a beef guy.

[Jordan]

He's just a beef guy.

[Dan]

He's a beef guy. He's just a guy from Texas. Missouri. He's a beef man.

[Jordan]

He's a beef man from the two beefiest state names that you can have.

[Dan]

Definitely. Well, yeah, yeah. But Texas is a city in Missouri.

[Jordan]

Right, I understand that. I got that.

[Dan]

I was putting Christians. We do that a lot. We steal names for cities. But, yeah, he's too creative.

[Jordan]

The people from Missouri.

[Dan]

He loves beef. He's a cattleman.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He ends up running unsuccessfully in a Republican Congressional primary later down the road. But he has no political aspirations at this point. He just loves beef.

[Jordan]

Just fucking loves that shit.

[Dan]

And his interview is dull.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We're not gonna talk about it. He just loves beef.

[Jordan]

Of course it's dull.

[Dan]

Yeah. Beef.

[Jordan]

Does he like beef?

[Dan]

Loves it.

[Jordan]

Okay, well, then I think we've got everything we need to know. Next question. Next question.

[Dan]

Your Honor, what's for dinner?

[Jordan]

I'm gonna go with chicken.

[Dan]

No. Oh, because beef, it's what's for dinner. That's the fucking slogan.

[Jordan]

I never heard that slogan.

[Dan]

What?

[Jordan]

I'm just. Where's the beef?

[Dan]

So Alex does have another interview on this episode, and it's with his water filter sponsor.

[Alex Jones]

You're getting what? Distributors who buy hundreds are getting them for. Okay, they do that because they believe in the program. They're patriots. They are against the New World Order. Jim Shepard is a great Christian man. The owner. And with the Iran situation coming up, when is this a better time and when is there a better time? With Israel saying they may attack him any minute and Bush saying they're going to back them up and Iran saying we're going to destroy you. I mean, look, scaring you gets you to buy filters. Fine. I'm telling you, that's not even a threat. The threat is what is what is already in your water.

[Dan]

Yeah, a little too clear there.

[Jordan]

Hey, Scaring you to buy water filters. It works.

[Dan]

It works.

[Jordan]

Why wouldn't I do it?

[Dan]

Look, it's what you should do anyway, but. Yeah, I'm scaring you into buying this. I believe that you should do it anyway, but I'm not above using scare.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Scary tactics.

[Jordan]

I know what's best for you. And if you Won't choose it just because of a good argument. I will lie and cheat and trick

[Dan]

you, and I will tell you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That what I believe is best for you tends to be what people are paying me to sell you.

[Jordan]

It is crazy how that works. Yeah, it is crazy. But that's just a coincidence. It is just pure happenstance that those two things occur at the same time.

[Dan]

It's just a representative of how Alex will only make money off things that actually help you. Much like. You know, it's fucking weird, but everything Trump does is in America's best interest.

[Jordan]

It is crazy how it works.

[Dan]

Yeah, it is.

[Jordan]

And it's. But it's. So it's good for us that our interests align, because, I mean, from what I've seen, people whose interests don't align with him not having a good time right now.

[Dan]

There's some troubles.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So this interview is a dud because this lady that he's interviewing is the person who, like, answers the calls at Big Berkey or whatever. So not. Not necessarily a super, like, on air talent.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

Certainly a drop off from Charlie Sheen.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But there's one thing that I know, Alex has always said that Big Berkey. The filters.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What they do. And that is take fluoride out of the water.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Unfortunately, you are joking. He brings that up, and she has to correct him.

[Jordan]

You are joking.

[Dan]

They do not.

[Jordan]

Motherfu.

[Alex Jones]

Does my memory serve me. Your regular filtration gets 80 plus percent out, and then when you add the post filter, only 99%.

[Caller]

It takes out about 99%. The actual black Berkey filters don't take any of the fluoride out, Alex. It's just with the. You need to have the Post filter.

[Alex Jones]

Okay. So is it the white ones that do that? Remember reading the letter?

[Caller]

No, it was a long time ago. We had the very first set of filters. We tried doing a formulation where the filters did take out some of the fluoride with the black filters, but.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, it's too slow. Too slow.

[Caller]

It was so slow. And people would have had to replace the filters so quickly. It would have been very costly.

[Alex Jones]

So people understand this, what we're talking about. Everybody talks about spring water being so good or down in these caves. That's because it's gone through the limestone.

[Caller]

That's correct.

[Alex Jones]

And this was invented in England.

[Dan]

Great. So the Post filter gets rid of the fluoride and the water. The filters themselves don't do that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So Alex has, in theory, sold so many people water filters under the premise that it gets rid of fluoride and they're just drinking as much fluoride.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

They never would have even known because it's solving a non existent problem. For, for, I would say almost, if not all. All of them.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. So great.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. Here's what's interesting about it, right. This is what's interesting to me about this is statistically or inevitably, right, we know some people are going to get scammed. If there is going to be a scam, this is the type that you would prefer, which is a scam where it's like, hey, you got scammed but there's no negative consequences. Really.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Other than you. You're talking to this guy, right?

[Dan]

Yeah, you're, you're, he's profiting. But yeah, maybe it's fine to have a water filter.

[Jordan]

Maybe you get a marginal benefit. You probably didn't get your money's worth, obviously.

[Dan]

I assumedly it didn't put lead into your water. So like.

[Jordan]

Right, sure. Right. That's what this is the, this is what I'm saying. This is like the tw scams we've got going on right now. I'm fine with people getting scammed for no consequences, but then they get scammed by somebody like Trump and it's like, ah, see, that's the scam that we all get fucked on.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's severe consequences to that. Whereas making people like you probably ruin individual lives in, in ways that we tragically never hear about.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

With like making people think they need to get gold because the dollar is going to collapse.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Get all these water filters because you're poisoning yourself with the water and the fluoride.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There's probably a great deal of people who have been harmed. Their children had to live with the consequences of that. And so it's not that there is no victim, but it's societally somewhat more manageable than the harm that the Trump scam does.

[Jordan]

There's a, there's a lot more fucking. What is it? Shrapnel damage? Yeah, there's a lot more shrapnel damage.

[Dan]

And sometimes if you grow up and maybe your parent succumbed to some of these brain tendencies, maybe you grow up and you write an amazing novel.

[Jordan]

It's always possible, right? It's always possible.

[Dan]

Some people can get out, they can escape, some people can the consequences and the shrapnel that you're talking about. But with Trump, it's far, far less escapable.

[Alex Jones]

No good.

[Dan]

So anyway, it's funny that his Filters don't take out fluoride when that's the biggest sales pitch that he makes. Constantly.

[Jordan]

So infuriating.

[Dan]

And I think the difference that you see here is that she knows she would probably get fired and. Or sued if she makes false claims about these filters, whereas Alex can do whatever the fuck he wants.

[Jordan]

Is that what you're saying? Is that what's true? Don't care. I know you're the literal representative. You are the mouthpiece of the company, telling me that I am lying to these people.

[Dan]

So in the moment, we're not going to say that it takes out fluoride. And I'm going to start talking about how this was invented in England.

[Jordan]

Brilliant.

[Dan]

And limestone and whatever. But later, when you're gone, 30 seconds after you're gone, you're gonna go back.

[Jordan]

It gets rid of all the fluoride. Even if they ask me about it, I'll say that you're not allowed to quote, unquote, wink, wink, wink, say it.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we have one last clip here. And it's. You know, it's mostly because Alex is very. Just obsessed with the traffic and the Charlie Sheen of it all.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he's a little bit mad at Drudge because Drudge isn't promoting this motherfucker.

[Alex Jones]

The Charlie Sheen story got tens. That's not true. I was told 8 million page views yesterday on the two sites together in the aggregate. And I would imagine now that's how my brain works, that since I checked that this morning, a couple more million have come in, but it's slowed down to what they say, a few hundred thousand for each page, each website that has it posted every hour. So I guess it's getting up close to 9 million or something. But again, I haven't checked 8 million page views. And of course, most of that is because Drudge linked to it for four hours. Most of that came in in four hours. And that site just gets. I forget, what is it, like, 20 million visitors a day? I mean, it's just. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous how much that site gets because there's not many stories on it, and it gets such huge traffic. And so your story's up there. And like all these other newshounds and all these other people that are too lazy to check their inboxes, that's where the really good news is that listeners send you from all real good news. They, you know, they go up to Drudge every day, and he posted up there and then jerks it after four hours and then doesn't put it in his archive. He never. He never does that. So email Drudge and say, Drudge, why didn't you post that story? Why aren't you covering it? Why aren't you reporting on it? Call the Associated Press. I talked to AP reporters who were. Yeah, this is big. We're going to get this out. And you call them out. Oh, we're not running it now. Well, just upstairs said no.

[Dan]

I don't know if what Alex is saying about Drudge is true, but we'll just take it as fine. Yeah, I'll stipulate that he's 20 years ago.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think it's entirely possible that Charlie Sheen's management and PR people were able to soften the coverage of his Infowars interview. Yeah, the whole Dixie Chicks thing happened in 2003. And in 2006, Charlie is on one of the highest rated sitcoms on tv. So his team would probably be very interested in him not being the target. That kind of attention during a war where people, like people will turn on you like they did the chicks.

[Jordan]

You don't know what could happen. You just don't know. People are crazy.

[Dan]

I also think that this would be an easy sell for a PR team because it's not really that good of a story for most people. Charlie Sheen is already a figure that they kind of think is crazy. So if he says something crazy that isn't exciting, like his character is based on kind of being crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

Like this is who he is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you want a tabloid gossip magazine selling headline, you need someone who has a squeaky clean image saying something crazy. Like if Kelly Clarkson came out in question 9 11, then maybe we're talking about sub. Like people are going to talk about it.

[Jordan]

That that actually was the subplot to From Justin to Kelly.

[Dan]

No, Guarini pilled her. Guarini red pilled her on QAnon.

[Jordan]

So the from Justin to Kelly was the bullshit into Kelly's brain. O. All right.

[Dan]

I've seen that movie five times maybe.

[Jordan]

I know you have.

[Dan]

It came out when I worked at a movie theater. But anyway, yeah, for Charlie Sheed, the only thing that's going to get the tabloids interested in is something that involves his own self destruction, as we end up seeing five years later. Right. Him doing an interview with Alex is a gigantic career defining moment for Alex, but it's a blip in other media. No one really cares because Charlie is a known commodity. It's not that interesting. Yeah, who cares? His PR people can push back against Any, like, momentum that Alex is even pushing?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That would get him the Dixie Chicks treatment.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So, like, I think he's. He's. He's up against his own. Like, he's. It's. He's. It's a Sisyphean task trying to get publicity for this.

[Jordan]

I think I'm. I'm trapped in. I'm trapped in a thought and I don't know. All right, when Alex says call the Associated Press, do you believe that in Alex's mind, he is telling people to call ap or do you believe he is telling people to call all reporters across the world?

[Dan]

I think he thinks of it like calling the Rangers.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

You know, like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

Not like, don't go talk to the Associated Press. No. Go talk to the Associated Press members. That kind of thing. Right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Caller]

Get that.

[Dan]

Go out into the street with a lantern and a bell.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep, yep.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's. I feel. I feel two things very strongly. The first is that Alex is clearly so desperately attached to numbers. Like, you know, you were saying earlier, oh, this is someone who's gonna have a problem with social media.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

The way he's talking about the millions

[Jordan]

of pages, the million aggregate by two

[Dan]

seconds, I assume, based on checking it earlier, like, that's somebody who's going. Their brain is gonna be fucked by the attention and the numbers of social media.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then the other thing that you just see is, like, it's pretty obvious this didn't go as well as he wanted it to.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

He expected something bigger. And because it has not made the splash that he needs it to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The story has to become that he's being silenced. Yep. And everyone's covering up this story of the biggest story in the world. Or Charlie, she talked to me.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It sucks.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is such a. Like, you can tell that it's. It's the opposite direction. For me, it's like, I wouldn't care. I would be like, hey, is this interview good or bad? Right. I don't care if a lot of people saw it. And if. If it was bad and a lot of people saw it, that's worse to me than not doing it. Right. But for him, it's just, what numbers does it get? The interview can have. Can have good or negative quality. Doesn't matter.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a vehicle for the attention.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah. And, you know, if I'm being perfectly honest, it was neither good nor bad. It just was a Fine.

[Jordan]

It was just a promotional interview.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. And I think that, like, if I had my druthers.

[Jordan]

Yeah, your drudgers.

[Dan]

I would love for the Associated Press to report that Alex was promoting Two and a Half Men.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That I think would be funny. That would be funny because that would really harm his reputation as somebody who's like, I'm this mad preacher out in the wilderness. I believe in the constitution. You're shilling for cbs, asshole.

[Jordan]

Alex stops telling truth for a second to ask you to watch Two and

[Dan]

a Half Men to ingratiate himself with celebrity guest. Yeah. Like that would be funny if that

[Jordan]

finally lies says Two and a Half Men is funny.

[Dan]

That's not fair. I'm sure there are some good episodes. You have to take it on a season by season basis.

[Jordan]

Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. You have to judge individuality.

[Dan]

Episodes of Two and a Half.

[Jordan]

You're right. Now that we have reached the end the. Of.

[Caller]

Of.

[Jordan]

We haven't, have we? They're probably doing a new one right now.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So the, The. The other thing that I think that this brings into focus is like, there's a weird thing in Alex's career that has been desperately hijacking other things.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And you can feel it in this, like, Drudge. I got all this traffic from Drudge, then Drudge took the article down. He really needs Drudge to drive traffic to it.

[Jordan]

Yep, yep.

[Dan]

And then later it becomes YouTube and then it becomes Twitter. And you know, as we get closer to a hypothetical, like, his shit's gonna get shut down. He's not gonna have anything to. There's nothing.

[Jordan]

No. He's not gonna be able to piggyback or parasite his way onto anything.

[Dan]

Well, no, but the thing that he needs to suck life to is gonna be gone.

[Jordan]

Right, Right, right, right.

[Alex Jones]

Like.

[Dan]

Like he's just gonna be a guy who has a Twitter account.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that's weird. That's.

[Jordan]

I mean, it makes sense why he's drinking again.

[Dan]

I think he probably has been. I think that there's like, he's always existed as a guy who has a need to draw attention to at least the thing he has created himself.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He has had infowars.com and prison plan and it. And the documentaries and you know, like he's had his landing thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That you send the little ships out to drive traffic back to and that's going to be gone.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He is only going to exist as

[Jordan]

the parasitic, free floating brain parasite.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

God forbid any of it like a fucking brain slug in Futurama.

[Dan]

And I guess let him fall on

[Jordan]

the floor and he'll starve to death.

[Dan]

I guess on some level that's interesting to see, like what that will look like. Yeah. When the actual mothership is no longer really important.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I don't know. I don't know if it's that interesting.

[Alex Jones]

That's.

[Jordan]

That's the thing, is that it's. It is an inflection point and one that should cause a crisis. That someone should either be destroyed by or should grow through. It bothers me with Alex is that it seems like he is facing all of the crises in his entire career and has never been destroyed nor grown through them. No, they just wrap around him and become our problem.

[Dan]

And I mean, on some level that's why there's so many episodes of this podcast.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a remarkable thing that no one else seems to have lived through.

[Jordan]

I mean. Yeah, that's definitely true.

[Dan]

And because we're recording this in advance, he might have gone out of business by the time this comes out. Who fucking even knows? And if it has, sorry, we don't know. But yeah, we'll see. We'll see if he ever gets around to that V for Vendetta review. I'm really itching for it.

[Jordan]

If only.

[Dan]

Hopefully it'll come next time. But until then, we have website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledge Fight dot com.

[Dan]

Yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor. Yeah.

[Jordan]

And now here comes the sex robot.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Caller]

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.