#1131: Losers

Summary

Knowledge Fight – Episode #1131: "Losers" (April 3, 2026)

Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan take a reflective break from their usual deep dive into Alex Jones' most recent broadcast. Instead, they grapple with the bleak national mood following a recent prime-time speech by Donald Trump and dissect the peculiar and telling overlap between Trump's worldview and Alex Jones' long-running narratives. The episode is less about analyzing Jones' show and more about interrogating the broader culture, Trump’s "winner/loser" mentality, and how Jones contorted himself to fit Trump’s brand of exclusionary "winning." There’s also a thoughtful, personal meditation on how leaders shape national trauma, contrasted sharply with their nihilistic posturing.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Opening Banter: Blood Moons, Survivor, and Baseball as Escapism

• Bright Spots:
  • Dan and Jordan begin by sharing their "bright spots," minor personal highlights despite the grim news.
  • [01:24–05:50] Dan talks about "Survivor"—his hope that a blood moon would inspire a ridiculous, over-the-top twist, only to be let down by a standard triple-elimination. They joke about “speed bleeding challenges” and the legal/absurd logistical issues of such a game.
  • [05:54–07:58] Jordan reminisces on the old-fashioned pleasure of reading baseball box scores and relates to fans of a century ago who could only imagine games from sparse statistics. They discuss the Savannah Bananas, a "Harlem Globetrotters of baseball," and muse on how spectacle and tradition interweave in sports.

Memorable Quote:

"You can't say blood moon without... either straight up werewolf or... blood sanguination. You're going to take blood from something." – Jordan [05:08]

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2. Reactions to Trump’s Speech: Bloodlust, Indifference, and National Trauma

• [12:08–15:22] Dan shares his disturbed reaction to Trump interrupting national TV for a speech focused on "killing so many people in Iran," expressing disgust at the casual way Trump speaks about civilian death.
• They discuss the recurring pattern of American leaders normalizing or bragging about violence (Bush, Clinton, Obama), but note that Trump's presentation is uniquely brazen—there is no attempt to show gravity or regret.

Standout Quote:

"My feeling came from a place where I like to imagine that our administration, like the leaders, are generally circumspect about killing... But Trump doesn't let you think that. It's super clear that he's proud of dropping bombs, and he loves threatening to drop more." – Dan [14:20]

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3. The “Loser” Logic: Trump’s Boasting and Alex’s Rationalization

• [16:24–17:24] (Trump Clip): Trump at the Future Investment Initiative: "You gotta win... Fortunately, it's a good thing to have a lot of losers. I always like to hang around with losers, actually, because it makes me feel better. I hate guys who are very, very successful... I like people who like to listen to my success." – Trump [16:45]
• [17:52–19:18] Dan explores how Alex Jones once tried to preserve faith in "good capitalism" by distinguishing it from the "bad capitalism" Trump embodied. Trump, however, is a walking celebration of exclusionary success—all the “bad capitalism” traits Alex railed against.
• [22:00–23:15] Dan & Jordan compare Trump's worldview to reality TV strategies: on "Survivor," you drag a loser to the end because they make you look good. Trump, per his own admission, surrounds himself with "losers" for the same reason—unthreatened superiority.

Memorable Quote:

"He likes to hang out with losers because they make him feel better... He likes the existence of destitute people struggling to get by because that makes his life luxurious." – Dan [31:05]

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4. Jones's Failed Defense: Projection, Contradiction, and “Old 45”

• [25:49–31:12] (Clips & Analysis):
  • The hosts play past Alex Jones clips where he absurdly claims Trump "doesn't like not seeing people prosperous," "doesn't like poverty," and “just wants to totally build the pie and expand everything.” They break down how these are more sales pitches to the audience than sincere beliefs: Alex projected everything he claimed to hate about “the globalists” onto Trump’s enemies, while painting Trump as the exemplar of their opposite virtues.
• Dan and Jordan argue Alex did not sincerely believe his own rhetoric; rather, he believed it would work on his listeners, or he deceived himself through repetition.
• Key Contradiction: Trump himself admits to enjoying losers because it affirms his superiority, puncturing Alex's decade-long attempt to cast him as a populist hero.

Standout Exchange:

Jordan: "How could you be rich if there were not poor?" [31:11]
Dan: "Exactly. He likes to hang out with losers because they make him feel better..." [31:12]

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5. Blunt Talk and Historical Repercussions: Accountability and Present Agency

• [34:15–36:54]: The hosts note that Trump's rhetoric fundamentally "punctures an illusion" that Alex has tried to build for a decade. They stress that media figures who went along with war and authoritarianism should not be allowed to recast themselves as part of the opposition or "resistance."
• Discussion turns to mechanisms of accountability (Nuremberg trials analogies), and how American leaders have “baggage they will carry for the rest of their time.” They emphasize the importance of memory—refusing to let opportunists absolve themselves.

Memorable Quote:

"We have to be mindful and vigilant of, like, this is the baggage that you will carry. For the rest of your time, you can't be credible." – Dan [34:50]

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6. Closing Reflection: Existential Gloom and the Search for Agency

• [35:44–36:54]: Dan and Jordan reflect on how grim the present feels but urge listeners to recognize the "gift" of agency in the present—the reality that future horrors are not inevitable. They tie this back to the theme of not knowing the full impact of current events until they become history.

Standout Quote:

"...you have a certain amount of agency. So whatever comes down the line isn't inevitable... we do live in a time where that doesn't have to happen. The next steps don't have to happen." – Dan [35:44]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Survivor speed bleeding challenge
  Dan: "Speed bleed." [03:16]

• Banana peels for more baseball errors
  Jordan: "So you're saying that we should institute more banana peels on the diamond?" [07:51]

• Trump on losers
  Trump: "I always like to hang around with losers, actually, because it makes me feel better." [16:45]

• Jones’s contradictory Trump sales pitch
  Alex Jones: "He doesn't get off on seeing poor people... He's completely crazy. And that he just is so positive." [25:49]

• The illusion shatters
  Dan: "Trump allows it, and Trump... hates poverty. He really does. It's just not in a way that he wants to help you escape it." [30:23]

• Accountability forever
  Dan: "We have to be mindful and vigilant of, like, this is the baggage that you will carry. For the rest of your time, you can't be credible." [34:50]

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Important Segment Timestamps

| Timestamp | Topic/Quote Summary | |------------------ |-------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:24–05:50 | Survivor’s blood moon twist joke; speed bleeding challenge | | 05:54–08:49 | Baseball nostalgia; Savannah Bananas clown-show team | | 12:08–15:22 | Reaction to Trump’s grisly Iran speech; bloodlust critique | | 16:24–17:24 | Trump’s “I like losers” leadership quote | | 17:52–23:15 | Survivor strategy and Trump’s worldview; parallel drawn | | 25:49–31:12 | Alex Jones’s past Trump defenses debunked by Trump’s words | | 34:15–36:54 | Historical responsibility; no absolution for war supporters | | 35:44–36:54 | Closing: Present agency and responsibility |

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Summary Table: Trump vs. Jones (Theme Synthesis)

| Alex Jones Claim (Past) | Trump’s Actual Statement/Behavior | Hosts’ Commentary | |--------------------------------------|--------------------------------------------------|-----------------------------| | Trump wants everyone to succeed | "I always like to hang around with losers" | Alex projected fake virtues | | Trump hates poverty, wants prosperity| Trump hates poverty, but for status, not empathy | Trump is exclusionary | | Trump is a man of the people | Trump flaunts affluence, loves superiority | Illusion shattered |

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Tone and Style

• Reflective, sardonic, and darkly comic.
• Mixes gallows humor with resigned frustration at the state of politics and media.
• Self-aware, freely admitting their own biases and limitations.

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For Listeners Who Haven’t Heard the Episode

This episode is a compelling and emotionally frank exploration of post-2024 malaise, the toxic logic of winner/loser politics, and the way conspiracy media contorts itself to fit the needs of those in power—until reality makes lies impossible. Dan and Jordan use humor and pop-culture analogies to anchor heavier points about accountability and the danger of collective amnesia. Their deliberations remind listeners that present choices matter, even in grim times, and that the allure of narrative comfort can be deeply misleading.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert.

[Dan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert.

[Caller/Guest]

Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I am sweating. Knowledgefire.com. it's time to pray.

[Trump]

I have great respect for Knowledge Fight.

[Caller/Guest]

Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge, Dan and Jordan. Knowledge Fight. Need.

[Jordan]

Need money.

[Caller/Guest]

Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex.

[Dan]

I'm a first time caller.

[Jordan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Caller/Guest]

I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge Fight.

[Caller/Guest]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey everybody, welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes who like to around worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan, Jordan.

[Dan]

Dan, Jordan. I have a quick question for you, please.

[Jordan]

What month is it?

[Dan]

It's April.

[Jordan]

Oh, shit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Uh oh. What's your bright spot?

[Dan]

There are no traditions anymore for the rest of the year. It was really just the first.

[Jordan]

It was just those first couple months.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I'll tell you my bright spot.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Honestly, I'm conflicted about this.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

I. I said I wasn't gonna talk about Survivor.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And I want. I meant to.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I meant to not talk about it.

[Jordan]

You had every intention to not talk about it.

[Dan]

Sincere from the heart. I gotta cut this shit out.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But I was watching last night's episode of Survivor and something happened that I got really excited about and then I felt really disappointed by.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

So mild spoilers. Not gonna say who got voted out.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

But so Jeff Probst.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He starts giving a speech to everybody about how they were trying to come up with ways to use nature to inform the twists in the game.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And that nature had blessed them with like a perfect metaphor.

[Jordan]

Cautiously optimistic about this.

[Dan]

Blood moon.

[Jordan]

Less optimistic.

[Dan]

There was a Blood moon. And so Jeff Probst is like, there's going to be a twist that will fundamentally shake this game forever.

[Jordan]

Werewolves are real.

[Dan]

That would be one.

[Jordan]

That would be. That would shake everything.

[Dan]

Yeah, but it's a Blood moon, Right? It's a twist that will change the game forever.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

How can this not be my big pitch of make them bleed. Make them give you a pint of blood?

[Jordan]

Sure, sure. I mean, it would be, it would be interesting legally, but you know, on the other hand, they take a lot of shit from people's bodies. Reality TV Shows I don't think it

[Dan]

would be illegal for Jeff Probst to be, like, the person who bleeds into this cup. The fastest immune.

[Jordan]

Who. That's a good question.

[Dan]

Can't be voted out.

[Jordan]

How would you. Here's. Here's my question, though. Right. So you're saying it's a speed bleeding challenge.

[Dan]

Speed bleed.

[Jordan]

So now. Now I'm thinking, looking at my own body, where does blood come out the fastest from? I'm chopping ephemeral artery and then I'm dead in 30 seconds.

[Dan]

No. Okay. Here's where the legally comes into it. Sure. There probably would have to be some sort of rules around where you could cut.

[Jordan]

I like that. In my fantasy, I'm like, oh, here's the trick. I'll kill myself.

[Dan]

Yeah, that'll be fast.

[Jordan]

Got him.

[Dan]

I know it's not ever going to happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it felt like the closest that we were ever going to get to my fantasy version of completely insane Jeff Probst.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Really going too far with the premise.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the fact that it was a blood moon. I was like, it's right there. This is happening. You know, for a minute I thought, this is. This is fucking happening. We're losing it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then it didn't happen.

[Jordan]

What happened? What was the theme?

[Dan]

They just voted out three people.

[Jordan]

It's not like, because of a blood moon.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Because it was just extra blood, extra bloody.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like the whole. The whole speech that Probst was giving was this, like, there's a twist that's going to change the game forever.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's something that's never happened on the show before. Like bleeding a cup from your hand.

[Jordan]

Squeeze blood from a stone, literally. Yes.

[Dan]

But no, it was just that no one. They've never had an episode where three people were voted out. That was.

[Jordan]

That sucks.

[Dan]

Three Tribal Councils. Yeah.

[Jordan]

That is a fundamental misunderstanding of what is interesting about that game.

[Dan]

It was fine. It's an escalation in terms of, like. Yeah. There have been episodes where two people have been voted out before that's happened, but it wasn't like it zigged when it could have zagged. And I think that that was the problem. Like, something really upsetting should have been the twist that will change the game.

[Jordan]

I mean, you can't say blood moon without me, without the. Either. Either straight up werewolf or. Or like, oh, blood sanguination. You're going to take blood from something.

[Dan]

I think the idea that they wanted you to feel is, like, the sacrifice of more players is.

[Jordan]

I would've Accepted like a sacrifice. Like, you gotta go put your hand in some deer blood and, like, put it on your forehead or some shit like that. I don't know. That's not a challenge.

[Dan]

Or the box from Doom.

[Jordan]

Obviously, that's not a challenge. Yeah, absolutely. Get the Gom Jabbar out there. I throw shuttered eel. Here's the blood moon.

[Dan]

God, that'd be good.

[Jordan]

That would be good.

[Dan]

Anyway, it's fine. I'm not. I got to stop talking about Survivor, and I swear I will, but what's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My bright spot is a little abstract. I. I haven't been able to watch more than, like, a few innings of a baseball game this year.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Jordan]

My beloved Cubs are doing okay. They're not as good as they should be, but there's only been a week of the season. The reason. My bright spot, though, is that I'm still following up with all the box scores. I'm following the league, you know, And I felt.

[Dan]

It feels good.

[Jordan]

I felt a direct connection to that guy in the 1920s reading his newspaper, going over the scores, chomping on a

[Dan]

cigar, looking at zeros and 1.

[Jordan]

100%. Totally. Like, there's a stock ticker or some shit on that thing. And it's just like, I. For a brief moment, I was like, 100 years is no time at all.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, it felt cool.

[Dan]

Early, before we started the show, we were talking a little bit, and we talked a bit about basketball.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And how I used to love basket. And I have vivid memories of that. Like, looking at the box scores and reading that.

[Jordan]

Like, absolutely.

[Dan]

Having to figure out, like, okay, this line is this. Like, yep, that's exciting. And then I love a box score.

[Jordan]

Just visualizing, like, oh, this was the. The back and forth of the game, and. Yeah. There's just something about that. Like, there was a time where you had to imagine you could not watch a replay. You couldn't watch a YouTube clip. There were no highlights. You just had to see that the box score had six hits versus four hits and two errors. And you had to imagine what those errors looked like. Yeah.

[Dan]

You know what the problem with an error in baseball is?

[Jordan]

What's that?

[Dan]

It's never as silly as you want it to be.

[Jordan]

It's not. There are some silly errors, but almost never.

[Dan]

Almost some weird, formal thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, it doesn't. It doesn't. No one's. No one's tripping around.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Or just a regular mistake, you know, like, oh, I just sailed the ball. I threw it A little too high. So yeah, that's an error. Yeah, but that's not a, that's not a fun wacky error.

[Dan]

No, no. Like someone just like slipping and going, going head over head.

[Jordan]

So you're saying that we should institute more banana peels on the diamond?

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, definitely.

[Jordan]

All right, I will take that proposal under consideration.

[Dan]

And now I've started thinking.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Could you do a Harlem Globetrotters of baseball?

[Jordan]

They have one. What it's called the Savannah Bananas. What. What do they do? They're. They're just a pure clown show. Like they're fantastic. They're very good ballplayers. But they, they have sing alongs, they do crowd stuff. They have these, these clips. Everybody does dances. Sometimes during the, the pitch, the. They'll have a camera set up so the umpire, the catcher, the batter, the pitcher and the center fielder in the second base and the shortstop. I'll just start dancing you in like what? Synchronized. They're all doing the same motions for like 30 seconds and then they throw the pitch and they just move on with the. It's a whole thing.

[Dan]

How do you, how do they fake the hits and stuff though?

[Jordan]

They don't fake them. They're just very good ballplayers.

[Dan]

Uh huh.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They just know exactly where they're going.

[Jordan]

No, I mean it's. But if you're good at baseball and everybody's kind of, kind of working as a team.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You're going to not be good all the time. But there's, there's a lot of stuff that you can control. If you and the defense are both kind of on the same team in

[Dan]

a sort of way isn't trying to get one past you. They can put it where you need it to be to hit it where you.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But sometimes it's the time for the pitcher to show off. It's a little bit like an all star game. You know, sometimes the pitcher goes, I'm going to strike you out. Or sometimes the hitters, like, I'm going to hit a home run. That kind of, that kind of thing.

[Dan]

Do this. Savannah Bananas have a Washington Generals.

[Jordan]

They do. There's a whole, there's like a whole league and they kind of. They kind of barnstorm whole league. There's like four teams, I think something like that. They've just expanded to like 14 clown baseball league. Yes, 100%. They barnstorm. They've filled out arenas, they filled out stadiums. They'll show up. They, they. Yeah, they'll sell out 100,000 seats.

[Dan]

So hold on. But if they have four teams, then are three of them the losers to the bananas? Or are two like, is there another bananas?

[Jordan]

I do not specifically know how to comedy leagues of baseball work in terms of season wide rankings. I just know that the Savannah Bananas started it as like a thing a while back. And it's just grown. It's gotten big.

[Dan]

It seems like there's so many more opportunities for things that aren't wildly unsafe in the context of basketball and clowning. Yep. But hey, you know, the sky is the limit. I'm glad. I'm glad they're trying.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's. It is fun. It's fun for baseball because for the longest time, every single person who's ever, ever picked up a bat is like, you got to do it the right way. There's unwritten rules. And these guys are like, what if I did a backflip all the time?

[Dan]

Now hockey seems like that would be tough with. That would be tough and stuff.

[Jordan]

There have only been like three skaters who've ever done a backflip on skates.

[Dan]

I think, I think incorporating that in clown business, that could be trouble. So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over. All right, we're going to be talking about a little bit of something. And before we do that, let's take a moment to say hello to some new ones.

[Jordan]

Oh, that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, shout out to Amanda, Mary Stewart, and all the good people in Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Keep fighting the good fight from Cullen. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Happy January birthday to Nick, my weekly bright spot and favorite cat, dad. Love, Jillian. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much. Thank you.

[Dan]

And put on your casual boots and slather up a ketchup sandwich. Because snip, snip, it's the lobster man. And I'm coming for your green walls and 5,000 hats. Thank you so much. You're now ballsy wonk.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And we got a technocratic. So thank you so much. To August in Illinois. You are now a technocrat.

[Caller/Guest]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

4 stars.

[Caller/Guest]

Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone, someone. Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little titty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, I'm back from the road and all that. You are. You know, we're good adjusting back into normal, and there's a lot of stuff going on over at Infowars and we're going to get into some of that stuff on Monday. But today I wanted to ruminate on something. And before or just as a little bit of an introduction, I'm going to play you this clip of Alex from 2005.

[Jordan]

All right. Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

This is about survival. You know, the one thing holding us back is so many so called alternative truth leaders or patriots are just complete psychopathic power trip individuals. I mean, they, you see them at public events, they get off on crowds, they get off on being told how great they are. And I think there's something wrong with somebody that really gets off on that and likes that. And that's what they're hungry for. That's what they're looking for. We're not doing that, folks. We are truly disgusted by what's happening.

[Dan]

So on Wednesday night, Trump asked all the major networks to let him break into their normal programming to address the country. And it was one of the most bleak pictures I've seen in a very long time. For one thing, it interrupted Survivor and I finally kind of made peace with the new season. So it was a bit of a setback for me.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right, right.

[Dan]

That's why it ended up being a bright spot again.

[Caller/Guest]

Woof.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it was also disgusting. I feel like I keep getting tricked by these Trump speeches where there's some buzz and anticipation around it, where everyone convinces themselves that he's gonna say something important, and then it just falls flat. He didn't say anything that mattered. There was no clarity that was provided about the war in Iran. I feel like I know less after watching him talk because he's such an obvious liar that hearing him talk just gives you new things to doubt. Past leaders were orators who gave speeches that calmed a country when times were tense. And it's remarkable how Trump is really the opposite. Everything could be going well, and hearing him speak would make me feel off. But the reason that I'm saying that it was disgusting was because a lot of the speech was dedicated to talking about how he's killed so many people in Iran. A lot of it centered around bragging about killing Iranian government officials. But the reality is what he actually was talking about involves a ton of civilian death. And seeing him talk about it in Such a brazen, flippant way. It felt like it trivialized life itself. I was feeling really put off. And as I explored that feeling, it dawned on me that this type of shit isn't as uncommon as how it made me feel. Bush bragged about his acts of war back when he was president. Hillary Clinton famously said, we came, we saw, he died. About the Obama administration's attacks on Libya. My feeling came from a place where I like to imagine that our administration, like the leaders, are generally circumspect about killing and talking about our wars as if they didn't actually want to do them. I like to imagine that our leaders dislike the idea of international conflicts, but, you know, it's inevitable and some people are gonna get killed. But Trump doesn't let you think that. It's super clear that he's proud of dropping bombs, and he loves threatening to drop more. Like, he was talking about how if Iran doesn't do what he wants, he's going to take them back to the Stone Age.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like it's fucked up.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Obviously, I don't mean to say here that both sides are equally bad or anything like that, just that this overt bloodlust that Trump was displaying wasn't as unfamiliar as my revulsion wanted it to be.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So these thoughts sent me into a contemplative depression, and I could barely enjoy the rest of Survivor when he came back on after Trump's speech. So, in Survivor, there are a number of traditional paths to victory, and one of the most time tested is becoming friends with the worst, least charismatic person out there and trying to get to the end with them. If you vote together, that doubles your influence. And if you make it to the jury, make it to the point where they're deciding the game. No one's gonna vot for that other person because they're the loser. They can just drag.

[Jordan]

You only have to be faster than the other person running against the bed.

[Dan]

Exactly. That's a great strategy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That strategy has fallen out of favor in modern times because savvy players can see it developing fairly early, and they nip it in the bud. Now in season 50, there's no real losers that could just fit into that role. Some people are more liked than others, but there's no real mopes. No one's just around, as, you know, someone who's gonna get played because they're stupid. Right, Right. It's just not gonna happen.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So as I was thinking about this and Survivor, it made me think about a recent thing that Trump said in a speech that he gave at the Future Investment Initiative.

[Jordan]

So, Mr. President, what is the one leadership trait the world is missing right now? What is missing in leadership?

[Trump]

Well, it's winning. You gotta win. You know, I've watched a lot of people, leaders, great leaders, and you know, the one thing about sports is you break it down into, you know, two hour period, something nice. You don't have to wait a lifetime to find out is somebody a winner or a loser. You got a lot of losers, mostly losers. Fortunately, it's a good thing to have a lot of losers. I always like to hang around with losers, actually, because it makes me feel better.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Trump]

I hate guys that are very, very successful and you have to listen to their success stories. I like people that like to listen to my success. But I find, and I found this, and I'm only kidding, I want to

[Dan]

say that sort of, I'm only kidding, but I'm not.

[Jordan]

So.

[Dan]

Trump has said a lot of crazy shit in the past few weeks, and a lot of it we really haven't touched on. But this was something that I felt needed its own moment, because it directly intersects with Alex in a devastating way. Prior to teaming up with Trump, Alex was able to maintain his support for capitalism by insisting that there was good capitalism and bad capitalism, which was secretly just communism wearing a wig.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The good capitalism was the real capitalism that wanted everyone to succeed because a rising tide, it lifts all boats.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And the bad capitalism was the kind that was predicated on a smaller group of people succeeding and placing themselves apart from the rest of us.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

But then Trump came along and Alex had a serious problem on his hands. Trump represented all of the characteristics of bad capitalism in the way that Alex preached it. Trump put his name on all of his buildings. He lived a lifestyle that flaunted his affluence in people's face. And he had a long running TV show where his catchphrase was, you're fired. He was the avatar of wealth exclusion. He was super rich and he wanted to make sure you knew it. And it could. He could either welcome you into wealth if you pleased him or fire you if he didn't like what you were up to.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

As we've talked about in the past, Alex even said on his show that Trump was a mob frontman whose wealth was a complete facade. He understood what Trump represented and he took on the job of making that asshole palatable to his audience.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And when he was in that state that need, one of the only things Alex could rely on in Order to try and present this image of Trump is like, yeah, sure, sure, he's a billionaire guy. Yeah, sure, sure, sure. But he's not like those other guys. He loves to hang out with successful people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The globalists will walk past tenement slum building or whatever and be like, oh, I'm so much better than them. Not Trump. Trump is in demand of the people, and competition wants people to be better than him.

[Jordan]

Everybody should be successful.

[Dan]

So when you have him giving a speech and he's saying stuff, it's just, It's. It's such a shocking wrecking ball to Alex's image of this. He's. Of course, he loves hanging out with losers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's so blunt.

[Jordan]

They. They don't threaten his superiority. Yes. That's pretty much the concept. Yes, it is. I. I am amazed every time, I feel, because I've successfully managed to avoid 99.998% of all the things that he said in the past couple of years. But every time I hear one thing, one thing, I'm like, it would be so easy to 25th amendment this motherfucker. There's no words that aren't crazier than that. We have an amendment specifically to the Constitution that's like, hey, crazy pants, like, this guy, get him out.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

It's not complicated.

[Dan]

No. And I think that there's a certain amount of whimsy and, like, amusement they can have. Like, I like to hang out with losers because it makes me feel good, I guess. Sure. But like, he broke into network coverage prime time Wednesday night.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

In order to say, hey, what I'm doing in Iran's great. We killed a ton of people and flattened the fucking country. And also, hey, it'll be done soon. Whatever. It's not as bad as other wars. Those went on really long, did. He gave no definite information. That, to me, I think, is much more 25th the ball, I would say.

[Jordan]

Here's a question that I have if you are okay, right, sure. Bush lied us into war and all of the lies and stuff there were. Were lies. Right. But still, Congress did all the stuff and they wrote all the laws and they were like, yeah, you go fucking murder those people left and right. It's legal for you to do that. As far as I am aware, it is illegal for Trump to do this stuff. Right. Like, it is actually illegal.

[Dan]

That's my understanding.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. So if you are illegally murdering people, we would just call that regular murder, right?

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, it's damn close, right?

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I don't think there's any other way to describe the act of going to somebody's house and then killing them without them knowing that they were going to die as anything but a murder.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Yeah. And apparently, you know, it's the. It's the grand version of I could kill someone on the avenue and get away with it. Right. Yeah. You can drop bombs on. Everyone gets that it's illegal.

[Jordan]

So if you're. If you murder one guy, that's bad.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

We all accept that that's bad. If you murder, like, 20 guys, everybody's like, you're a serial killer and you must be stopped. And let's make a documentary about how we didn't stop you.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

This seems like too many murders.

[Dan]

It does, it does. And I think it's going to look very insane in hindsight. I think that everyone's behavior is going to be. Maybe not everybody, but almost everybody's behavior is going to be looked at is like, what the fuck was going. And I'm sure we'll all take comfort in some, like, hey, look, Covid was crazy. Everyone. Everyone kind of went a little silly after.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure. You can't expect people to behave rationally after they've been trapped inside.

[Dan]

I'm sure that will give a pass to a lot of this, but, yeah, it's. It's fundamentally insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like Trump was when he killed Ayatollah and launched that attack, he did the Bain thing of like, Iranians, take up, take, rise up and take your.

[Jordan]

That is exactly what he did.

[Dan]

And in the speech that he gave last night, it was so clear that he was like, hey, look, we don't even need the Straits of Hormuz.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

All you people who want it, go and take it. I don't know. We did the hard part. We killed a bunch of people. You guys just go in and take the. Take that straight. Just do it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And there's a part of me that feels like an honest person would say, hey, I did. We can't finish this. Yeah, we. We started something that we can't finish. We realize, yeah, hey. But instead, it's like trying to make it someone else's problem. You finish the job.

[Jordan]

I mean, it seems. It seems crazy to me how. How fairly simple it would be and how. And I presume the reason that it's not being done is because people are worried about either a revolution or a military coup. Right, That's. That has to be the only reason. But it seems fairly obvious that if, like, five senators were like, hey, let's just not do this anymore. Trump's gone. Sorry. Iran, we're gonna help you rebuild some shit we fucked up. Everybody would be fine.

[Dan]

Mm hmm.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't know. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Right. You have to be afraid that it's that there's a military coup or that the right wing is going to throw overthrow the government, because otherwise there's no reason not to do it.

[Dan]

It seems to me almost impossible to figure out, like, what the motivations are for things not radically changing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The status quo not radically changed.

[Jordan]

It is. I mean, I don't know. I don't know how to describe it.

[Dan]

I think that the two possibilities that you're talking about, like a military coup or revolution, sure, I could see those as being fears. There's probably other options that I don't understand or know about, but there's something. There has to be some reason that this isn't stopping.

[Jordan]

There's a. We have mechanisms for this situation. It has been planned out. Hey, guys, what if somebody goes crazy on the space shuttle? Tie them up, don't let them go around. Don't give them the control to the spaceship.

[Dan]

Mm. Damn.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So I was thinking about this, this thing that Trump said.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Of like. And hang out with losers because it makes them feel good.

[Jordan]

Yep. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

So I just want to play a couple of clips of Alice fuck me from the past, like in Trump promoting times.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Okay.

[Dan]

We can, we can really just reflect on.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Caller/Guest]

I'll tell you a secret for people I know that know Trump and researching. He's extremely ocd. He's basically autistic. And he doesn't like not seeing people. Prosperous. He doesn't get off on seeing poor people. He, he, he doesn't like poverty. Trump is a. I mean, they say Trump's crazy. He's completely crazy. And that he just is so positive. And that's why anybody that's actually been around Trump picks that up and gets it. And so I guess he is crazy because, you know, in a world of psychos and control freaks and folks that want to screw people over and think, if I'm going to win, you got to lose. To run into somebody like Trump that just wants to totally build the pie and expand everything. He's nuts. It's true. Yeah.

[Dan]

He just, like, he doesn't like poverty. He wants you to be rich because he doesn't like poverty. Makes sense.

[Jordan]

I do. Here's what I'll say about something like that. Right. I will say that. That I don't really blame Alex for. Right. That's just a regular old lie. If you believe that, if you were like, well, even though I know everything about rich people in the United States has always been exactly one thing, maybe this time it won't be that thing. I kind of think it's your fault now. I think we're. We're into the range of like, absolutely, he's lying. But also, come on, buddy, you should know that you can't actually eat a mushroom and grow six feet taller like Super Mario.

[Dan]

Well, that's what they say.

[Jordan]

They see, that's what I'm saying. Alex said that I could.

[Dan]

I think that there's a subtle thing that's going on here that's behind the lie, which we might be able to interrogate a little bit further. If you look back at this and this is like 2018, and yeah, if he believed that, this is embarrassing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

But I don't think that he believed it. I think he believed it would work. I think he believed in the effectiveness of this. And maybe he was able to get himself. He worked himself into a shoot a little bit as wrestling.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But yeah, on paper, I don't think he believed that stuff.

[Jordan]

I mean, you know, the people can. What is it? People love the truth. If you can fake that, you got it made like that.

[Dan]

So here's. Here's another clip of Alex talking about Trump loving everybody, succeeding.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Caller/Guest]

They call him 45.

[Dan]

You want to stop tyranny? Well, so does he. Live from the Infowars.com studios, it's Alex Jones.

[Caller/Guest]

Our species makes it a couple hundred years from now. We got giant off work world colonies, you name it. This face, the free market, humanity's gone to the next level. We're living to be 500 years old. Want to look back and say, Old 45? He delivered Donald Trump. Old 45 wants that name. He needs to be known as Old 45. There's two different philosophies. The parasites don't want you free and empowered because they're scum and don't want to compete. But then there's those that want renaissance and want to see everybody flourish and who get off on prosperity and success. Hey, your wife's super beautiful. Wow. You can play great music. Wow. You're amazing. You're a great writer. I don't hate you because of that. I admire you. You add to the richness of our humanity. That's why they hate Trump. Trump, he's not out to get you.

[Dan]

He wants you to succeed.

[Jordan]

He's not out to Trump. He's not out to get you, then

[Dan]

Trump from his own mouth. I love hanging out with losers. They make me feel good because I can comparatively feel like I'm a winner. Yeah, I think that. Okay, so there's two things that are going on here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

One is that Alex has just created this image of what the globalists are, which is that they get off on the idea that you're poor and that they're better than you.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And all Alex has done is imagine that Trump is the opposite.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So he's created a fictitious character to project onto Trump that is just the opposite of what his imaginary villains are. So that's going on.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yep.

[Dan]

But Trump allows it, and Trump, he makes it possible because he does hate poverty.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

He really does. It's just not in a way that he wants to help you escape it.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

He hates poverty in the way that he wants to chase unhoused people off the street.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He wants to make it harder for you to exist and survive.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I imagine exterminating the poor is also hating poorness in its own way. You know, like, I hate the caste system, but only because I want to destroy all castes other than my own is not quite the same thing.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But now here is the other twist. Trump likes poor people existing.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

He likes that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Because it makes him feel rich.

[Jordan]

How could you be rich if there were not poor?

[Dan]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

That is the conundrum.

[Dan]

He likes to hang out with losers because they make him feel better. He likes the existence of destiny constitute people struggling to get by because that makes his life luxurious.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Also, he likes sad, pathetic radio hosts who have to lie about how he's not the things that he is because he gets to be the things that he is while they have to lie about it.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

That's sad.

[Dan]

It is.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I would want to hang out with those people. They would make me feel real cool.

[Caller/Guest]

Oh.

[Jordan]

I would be like, man, at least I'm not that guy.

[Dan]

Yeah. There's a. There's a certain amount of this that is. You know, you look at it like, how. How could anybody have bought that?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, how could anyone have bought this? This notion of Trump as populist.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

As like, he wants you to do better because then the free market will be thriving and we'll all live to 500 and go to space and we'll all remember old 45. Like, who?

[Jordan]

Who?

[Dan]

Like, I get Alex is a liar and it's a lie.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's a lie that he's selling. So it makes sense for him to be saying it.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

The idea that anybody could have bought into this is fucking insane. You know, like, I think that. Okay, yeah. Believing that Obama would save the world and bring peace to the extent that anybody believed that.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

That was. That's insane.

[Jordan]

Right. The Nobel Prize committee.

[Dan]

But believing that he would do a decent job as president.

[Jordan]

Not very reasonable, very rational. He's got a track record. We can follow up on his legislation. He's probably gonna be the same guy. Not great, not the worst.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. Believing that Trump would be a decent president is insane.

[Jordan]

It is truly insane.

[Dan]

And believing that Trump would bring about space colonies and this kind of shit is equally insane.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They are the same.

[Jordan]

Yeah. It would make. The only people who voted right based upon the current situation are the people who are like, I think Trump is gonna destroy the world.

[Dan]

Like, accelerationists.

[Jordan]

Yeah. They nailed it. They got it right.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I remember a cab driver I had who was expressing that, and I was like, well, I guess I can't argue with you.

[Jordan]

I mean, if you believe that's gonna happen and you want it to happen, I suppose that that is.

[Dan]

He brought up supporting Trump, and I smelled weed in the car. I was like, something's not right here. And then he explained that, like, yeah, I think that he's the guy who's gonna bring this shit down the fastest. I was like, well, I can't disagree. I think that that's not a great thing to pursue. Dangerous, certainly, but can't argue with your premises sometimes.

[Jordan]

It's an argument I don't want to have. Not an argument that I can make.

[Dan]

So I just think there are some special moments sometimes when Trump is talking and the existence of him as a person and he really is fundamentally punctures an illusion that Alex has worked a decade to build up and is crumbling right in front of his face.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that the extent that anybody. No one's gonna give Alex a pass, and no one's going to be like, oh, great, you're against the Iran war now.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Welcome to the resistance, Alex Jones. No. And there's no one. No one's going to do that. But other figures are going to have a little bit more malleability.

[Jordan]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan]

They're gonna have a little bit more fluidity, and we have to not let that happen.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

We have. We have to be mindful and vigilant of, like, this is the baggage that you will carry.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

For the rest of your. Your time, you can't be credible.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, if, if we're doing, if we're just going to do one to one Nuremberg trials, Rubio's going up to my man. Sorry, buddy.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

You know, like there is, there is a real one to one comparison between things people are doing. Like, I get, I get that this feels like Iran, but I bet Poland felt like Poland, you know, like, this is not the end. We're not done. So.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. And, and there's, you know, there, there is a feeling that I have that is, ah, shit, it's fucking insane that we've gotten to this point.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But we. The gift of the present and the gift of being in the time that is current is that you have a certain amount of agency.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So whatever comes down the line isn't inevitable. There is. I don't know what to do and I don't know what anybody can do. So don't, don't let me sit here and tell you like what you should be doing or what anybody.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But we, we do live in a time where that doesn't have to happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The next steps don't have to happen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. But, yeah, you know, I was, I was just thinking, I don't know if this is meaningful at all, but I was just thinking about like, just the timing of things and where we are when we are, when things happen. And it's like, I don't think we would be where we are if Biden hadn't been defending the Palestinian genocide.

[Dan]

Probably not.

[Jordan]

You know, like, maybe we'd be in the Palestinian genocide right now. It would be happening. Do you know what I mean? And it's like, it is, it is a question of am I doing what I should be doing? You don't know the result of what you're going to be doing. So you can't make a real smart choice of like, well, I know this is going to happen.

[Dan]

You can make as informed a decision as you can and you gotta.

[Jordan]

And you have to believe that you're doing what you think is right. I guess.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah, I don't.

[Dan]

It's. It's a bad, It's a bad. It's a bad vibe.

[Jordan]

It's rough. It's rough out there.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we've come to the end of this little mini, mini episode and I hope you all enjoy this little, little, little taste of Trump loving losers. And Alex, a little amuse.

[Jordan]

Boosh.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

For what's. What's going to be a more in depth Monday, I imagine.

[Dan]

Yep, Yep. We're gonna, we're gonna steamroll right through. Alex having a crisis.

[Jordan]

Oh boy.

[Dan]

So you have that to look forward to. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

[Dan]

yep, we're back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Caller/Guest]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Woo. And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Caller/Guest]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work, I love you.