#1133: April 3, 2026

Summary

Knowledge Fight: Episode #1133 (April 10, 2026)

Theme: Alex Jones Retreats to Alien Lore as Trump Becomes Toxic
“If Alex takes aliens this seriously, it's a sign that things are going really bad... When he runs out of every single excuse for Trump, he'll retreat to the stars.”
— Dan (22:29)

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan dissect clips from the April 3, 2026 Alex Jones Show. The focus is how Alex, facing an increasingly indefensible pro-Trump stance (as Trump threatens to "blow up a whole country" and guts his own administration), pivots away from real-world crises into layers of ancient aliens, Sumerian texts, and interdimensional conspiracy—while also awkwardly hosting “Dark Journalist” for extended brokered content. Dan and Jordan explore why this retreat is both illuminating and a tell for where Alex’s head—and grift—are at.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Bright Spots & Banter

• Timestamps: 01:11–05:30
• Dan and Jordan exchange personal bright spots in classic fashion:
  • Dan finds charm in listeners clowning Jordan for not knowing the "dark side/far side of the Moon" and reflects on how “being dumb together” is freeing.
  • Jordan marvels at Shohei Ohtani’s athletic achievements, but is disturbed that someone can do the “impossible” simply by willpower (“there should be things that are unattainable … I’m not made of that. My knees hurt all the time” – 04:27).

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2. The Alex Jones Show: Running from Trump, Fleeing to the Stars

Alex’s Context: Trump Is Toxic Now

• Timestamps: 05:54–06:12; 67:53–71:16; 91:51–92:54
• Alex is desperate to distance himself as Trump signals nuclear threats and chaos. This leads to bizarre editorial choices—two hours on human origins, Sumerian myth, aliens—instead of addressing Trump policy directly.
• Quote: “This is a man who doesn’t want to talk about Trump. … If he’s run out of every single excuse on earth for Trump, he’ll retreat to the stars.” – Dan (22:29)
• Dan and Jordan note: every time Alex pivots hard to aliens, it means “things are going really well for him—or really bad.”

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3. UFOs, Ancient Aliens, and the Need to Distract

Fake Disclosure, Disinformation, and Congress

• Timestamps: 08:25–13:06
• Alex ties recent Congressional UFO talk (Rep. Tim Burchett) into his own narratives, claiming looming “fake alien disclosure” and government coverup.
• Dan shreds the logic: Alex’s praise for Burchett’s “credibility” (for not covering up Epstein) is undercut by his own complicity, and the “centralized office” (AARO) stuff is recycled distraction.

Predictive Programming & Ridley Scott

• Timestamps: 15:27–20:05
• Alex brings up the film Prometheus as “the elites’ religion”—the idea that globalists believe in “directed evolution” seeded by aliens.
  • Dan reads a bizarre Ridley Scott interview (about tennis, not aliens), and points out that Scott’s actual inspiration was Paradise Lost, not conspiracy.
  • The whole segment is an example of Jones’ tendency to weave pop-culture fiction into serious-sounding lore.
• Quote: “I’m glad Alex has decided it’s a secret revelation of devil’s beliefs or whatever. That’s fun.” – Dan (18:59)

Sumerian Texts, The Bible, & Misused Sources

• Timestamps: 21:02–30:32
• Alex launches into Sitchin-style stuff: Anunnaki, Epic of Gilgamesh, lifespan manipulation, aliens tinkering with humanity.
• Dan and Jordan clarify:
  • Alex’s storytelling about Gilgamesh is only a vague interpretation.
  • The supposed “Vedic Mathematics” Alex references is a hoax, a collection of math tricks repackaged as ancient wisdom—exactly the kind of surface “knowledge” Alex loves to drop.
• Quote: “So many of his reference points are books perfect for junior high students to use to feel smarter than their peers … you’re supposed to grow past this stage. And Alex is in his fifties.” – Dan (29:59)

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4. Christianity, Aliens, and Convenient Canon

Esotericism Slips into Blasphemy

• Timestamps: 32:39–44:31
• Alex hints that “real Christianity” includes apocryphal, “suppressed” books featuring aliens—and that most of the Bible is a coded document meant to reveal cosmic secrets.
• Dan and Jordan highlight:
  • Once you start debating Biblical canon on these terms, it removes the “divine” and exposes just how arbitrary and manipulable it all is for Jones.
  • Jones’ shifting theology (“more real dimensions,” “the sacred is sacred unless I need a new grift”) reveals he actually cares less about Christianity than using it as a prop.
• Quote: “He’s kind of pissing on a cross.” – Dan (45:26)
• Jordan: “You name your religion Christianity, you are fairly required to have the Christ front and center.”

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5. Elon's Robot Eyes & DMT Demons

• Timestamps: 46:08–54:47
• Alex claims Neuralink and Musk have “cured blindness” and can turn your brain into a super-sensory receiver. Dan debunks: Musk’s “Blindsight” is vaporware, and even advanced therapies don’t live up to the hype.
• Alex fuses this into his trip-theory: taking DMT lifts the “veil,” showing you “bad entities” (demons) because God “doesn’t get involved with free will.”
• Dan: “This is just a dumb way for Alex to impose his libertarian ideas on God. God is super into small government, private property, and the non-aggression principle, too.” (54:37)

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6. Brokered Programming & “Dark Journalist” Shenanigans

Alex Hates Every Minute

• Timestamps: ~109:03–120:00
• The episode features extended “brokered” time (paid guest spots), this time with “Dark Journalist,” a theorist who interprets every global event as dark classified alien tech.
  • Their chemistry is awful: Alex wants to eat; Dark Journalist shoehorns in talking points (e.g., Gilgamesh), and Alex visibly resents him.
  • Dan: “If this wasn’t the show I watch, I’d find this cringy … but because it is Alex, it’s really funny to me.”
  • Alex reveals he saw “Men in Black” aliens in DC (110:49) before January 6; Dark Journalist goes along (“there’s no question about it”), and the two bicker over who’s got the “real” insight on interdimensional beings.

Predictive Programming: Breaking Bad Edition

• Timestamps: 123:35–126:05
• “Dark Journalist” claims the disappearance of a general (McCaslin) mirrors a plot from Breaking Bad, tying the show's narrative to real-world conspiracy as “predictive programming.”
  • Dan and Jordan: This is peak pseudoscientific nonsense and deeply disrespectful to real missing persons.

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7. Alex’s Trump Spin & His Own Slide Into Cowardice

Desperate Editorial Choices & Accountability Dodges

• Timestamps: 67:53–74:18; 75:25–81:00
• Dan lays out the only way Alex could have salvaged credibility: admit he cynically backed Trump to “show the peril of unchecked federal power.” Instead, Alex tries to wallpaper over his lies and is left hedging, “We got a lot of good things done with Trump, shut down evil agendas ... now we’re horrified that Trump’s going sideways.”
• Quote: “He’s not a useful figurehead for the infowar anymore … The illusion that Alex has any sway over the administration, and by proxy his audience, is gone.” – Dan (75:53)
• “It’s the pill sales … He can’t maintain the audience AND keep up with Trump.” —Dan (78:37)

Medicaid Cuts, War Spending, and “Too Much Honesty”

• Timestamps: 90:13–97:35
• Alex admits Trump wants to cut social welfare and balloon war spending but is only mad that Trump says it out loud—exposing the right’s actual agenda and losing votes.
• “Alex is intentionally conflating two types of caring about money. One (good) is national economic freedom. The other is, if he doesn’t entertain Nazis and weirdos, he’s broke. He has the second kind.” – Dan (87:18)
• “He just wants Trump to be more presidential.” —Dan (96:36)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Alien Distraction as Cover:

• “Anyone who cares a ton about this stuff right now seems very suspicious to me ... maybe Trump is threatening to kill civilization. So not treating that like an immediate crisis and rambling about aliens, it feels like covering for Trump.” —Dan (13:06)

On Religious Esotericism:

• “He can't just gesture wildly at a copy of The Lost Books of the Bible and pretend that his work is done. He needs to give a reason why some books are in and some aren't, or admit it's just feelings.” —Dan (36:43)

On Covering for Trump:

• “He was fine going along with covering up Epstein, overthrowing Maduro, and he would have been fine with bombing Iran if it went better. His change in tone is caused by negative reaction.” —Dan (78:26)

On Alex’s Cycles of Dishonesty:

• “On a very basic level, Alex is acknowledging that the only way the political positions he wants are going to win … is if they lie about what they want to do.” —Dan (91:51)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment/Topic | |-----------|-----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:11 | Bright spots – Dan/Jordan on being “dumb together” | | 05:54 | Setting the stakes: Trump veers into chaos, Alex pivots | | 08:25 | Alex leans into fake alien disclosure, Burchett and UFOs | | 15:27 | Ridley Scott, Prometheus, and elite “creation myth” digression | | 21:02 | Sumerian myth, Gilgamesh, Anunnaki, and misreading sources | | 32:39 | Alex’s esoteric Christianity; debate over Biblical canon | | 54:57 | Musk’s vision implants, DMT demons, and free-will theology | | 67:53 | Dan outlines how Alex could have “won” post-Trump | | 91:51 | Alex sours on Trump’s “honesty” about war/welfare priorities | | 109:03 | Dark Journalist brokered segment; mutual dislike is obvious | | 123:35 | “Predictive programming”: Breaking Bad and real missing persons | | 131:38 | Alex stalls/interrupts; spectacularly bad on-air chemistry |

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The Brokers' Dance – Alex & Dark Journalist

• Timestamps: 110:49, 111:52, 115:19, 117:48, 118:02, 121:23
• Alex is bored, eating, and tries to speed through the “required” talking points.
• Dark Journalist: “There's no question about it…” to everything Alex says, which visibly annoys Alex.
• Dan: “If this wasn't the show I watch ... I'd find this cringy ... but because it is Alex, it's really funny to me.”

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Conclusion:

Summary Judgment This episode captures Alex Jones in a moment of existential retreat: scrambling to preserve his brand as his one-time hero (Trump) becomes too radioactive to sell to his “policy wonk” base. By running to ancient aliens, Sumerian myth, and poorly understood theology, Jones avoids reckoning with real-world culpability—exposing both his own intellectual laziness and sharp sales instincts. The “Dark Journalist” segment is pure paid content, a stage for Alex’s discomfort and a symbol of his declining status. Dan and Jordan’s sharp, irreverent commentary pierces Jones’ convoluted narrative, leaving listeners with an episode that's both bizarrely funny and richly diagnostic of the Infowar grifter playbook.

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Final Word (Dan):

“Alex takes aliens this seriously? It’s a sign that things are going really bad... When he runs out of every single excuse on earth for Trump, he’ll retreat to the stars.”

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For more: Knowledge Fight – “We’ll be back with another episode soon. But until then... here come the sex robots.”
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Transcript

[Jordan]

Foreign.

[Alex Jones]

Dan and Jordan. I am sweating knowledgebodies.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for knowledge Fight. Knowledge and fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and George.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight.

[Dark Journalist]

Need.

[Alex Jones]

Need money. Andy in Kansas. Andy and Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding. Hello, Alex.

[Dark Journalist]

I'm a fish color.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a huge fan. I love your word.

[Jordan]

Knowledge fight.

[Alex Jones]

Knowledge fight dot com. I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

Where a couple dudes like to worship at the altar of Selene and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan Jordan. Dan, Jordan, Quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What's your bright spot today, buddy?

[Dan]

My bright spot today, probably unexpected.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And this is a little bit, you know, off a. It's a little weird. You got. You stepped in it, my man.

[Jordan]

Oh, no. What did I step in?

[Dan]

So much feedback about the dark side of the moon thing. So many people messaging. I can't believe Jordan doesn't know about the.

[Jordan]

I understand the concept.

[Dan]

I just think of it as the far side, right, of the moon. I don't really. I don't even really. I don't. I'm not that interested in space.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I just accepted the way you were framing it.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right. But no, I like space. I like space. I understand the concept.

[Dan]

People are coming at you.

[Jordan]

I get it.

[Dan]

This was chumba one below.

[Jordan]

I'm trapped in this situation right? Where it's like, no matter what I do, it's terrible. Because I could be like, ah, I knew. Or I could be like, it was a joke that failed. And then the real problem is that I suck, right? At doing the joke part. Or I could be like, you know what? Yeah, I'm fucking dumb. How about that? How about that, motherfuckers? I'm stupid.

[Dan]

And see, this is why it's a nice bright spot, because I'm kind of stupid, too. I didn't in the moment feel like I had the comfort to be like, hold on, Jordan. That's dumb. You know, it's a nice reminder that we call. We all can be dumb about.

[Jordan]

Dumb as shit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Come at me. Tell me how stupid I am. I'm free.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's pretty sweet. Anyway, some of that feedback was nice and it charmed me.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What's your bright spot?

[Jordan]

My Bright spot is Shohei Otani. Shohei Ohtani, my friend right now. Okay, so Shohei Ohtani is. Won all the MVP awards that one can win.

[Dan]

I hear he's good.

[Jordan]

He's. He's done things that nobody's ever done before. He had a 50 home run and 50 stolen base season, which nobody's ever done before. He's. He's just astonishing. And this year he's going to try and win the Cy Young Award, which means he's going to also try and be not just a great pitcher, but the best pitcher in the league, which is probably attainable.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

I mean, that's the problem. That's the problem. Currently, He's. He's pitched 12 innings and given up zero runs. Right. It is, it is within his talent level to do something. The problem I have with is. With it is this, right? He can do it just because he really wants to. That should not be okay.

[Dan]

But also you kind of imagine that, like, what kind of wear and tear is he doing on himself if he, if he, if he keeps that up for the rest of the season?

[Jordan]

You can't. It's crazy.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

But you know what? Do you know what's keeping him from doing it?

[Dan]

That it's impossible and he bet on himself.

[Jordan]

Right. I mean, I don't like it. I don't like it. Whenever a guy can do an impossible thing just because he really wants to do it.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. You always feel like there should be, you know, come on, man. The body can't do this.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You shouldn't know you can't do it.

[Dan]

I'm proud of you for having the will.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. It's nice of you, but there should be things that are unattainable.

[Dan]

It feels like this takes away some excuses that you have.

[Jordan]

There are no excuses other than this is a multi generational talent made of some sort of magical material.

[Dan]

I guess so.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I'm not made of that. My knees hurt all the time and

[Dan]

always have all the time.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So let me ask you this. I've not kept up with baseball in a long time.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Dan]

But I remember Ken Griffey Jr. Being so cool.

[Jordan]

Oh, he's super cool.

[Dan]

Is Shohei Ohtani as cool as Ken Griffey Jr. Was?

[Jordan]

Showy. Ohtani is not as cool as Ken Griffey Jr. Was. First off, never wears his cap backwards. Sure, maybe he does, but it doesn't matter.

[Dan]

He doesn't exist anymore.

[Jordan]

And secondly, he's got too much pressure. The entire nation of Japan puts pressure on him. All the time. Right. You can't be cool if you also have the responsibility to represent an entire country.

[Dan]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Jordan]

Whereas Ken Griffey, he was cool as shit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He was playing with house money. He was a junior.

[Jordan]

He was so cool.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

His dad was already great at baseball. And then he was like, what if I'm going to be one of the 10 best guys ever anyways?

[Dan]

And the coolest.

[Jordan]

And so cool. Yeah.

[Dan]

So, Jordan, today we have an episode to go over.

[Jordan]

All right?

[Dan]

And I'm hoping I'm pulling for Shohei.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Get the cycle of awards.

[Jordan]

Just. Just to win everything. Just win it all. Fine.

[Dan]

Yeah. I mean, he can. He can because he wants to. Just because he can.

[Jordan]

You just because he wants to.

[Dan]

Yeah. So we have an episode to go over today, and we're going to be talking about April 3, 2026.

[Alex Jones]

All right?

[Dan]

We are here in this period where Alex is figuring out how the fuck am I going to get away from Trump. This shit is bad. He's threatening to blow up a whole country.

[Jordan]

There is that.

[Dan]

He's firing his attorney general.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, God. Everything's a mess.

[Jordan]

It's not going well.

[Dan]

So we have a fun episode today. But before we get into it, let's take a little moment to say hello to some new wonks.

[Jordan]

Ooh, I think that's a great idea.

[Dan]

So first, Big Dick's Mystery Meat. Home of the 4 inch footlong. Our brats are the worst, but you can't beat our wieners. Thank you so much. You're an outpoly wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. Next. Liz T. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

Thank you. And Waluigi isn't even Wario's brother. He's just a guy Wario hired so he'd have a tennis doubles partner. Thank you so much. You're an now policy wonk.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you very much.

[Dan]

I think a lot of this lore is unexplored, and some of it's open to interpretation. But I do agree they're not necessarily brothers.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

We got technocrat in the mix, too. So thank you so much. To Honky Wonk Banonka Nonk. Thank you so much. You are now a technocrat.

[Alex Jones]

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bom. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce. Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Thank you so much.

[Jordan]

Yes. Thank you very much.

[Dan]

So today, before we get into the episode proper, I got an out of context drop for you.

[Alex Jones]

If we start putting troops on the ground and they get repulsed or pinned down, then Trump is going to be like, oh, if I pull out now, I'm a weenie forever.

[Dan]

Oh, no.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

He's a weenie forever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, boy. I do. I do appreciate the idea that we should be concerned about whether or not our presidents are like, well, this may be the right decision, but I can't look like a weenie, so I'm going to have to kill everybody.

[Dan]

I called Moscow and they said that they were rubber and I was glue.

[Jordan]

Nothing I can do.

[Alex Jones]

Shit.

[Jordan]

Sorry. I can't be a weenie. Guys, y' all gotta go.

[Dan]

It's so dumb that he's talking about, like, nuclear war and Trump being a weenie.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah. That's how we live.

[Dan]

So we start off this episode and Alex, last we heard from him on our show, he was talking a fair amount about orbs being everywhere.

[Jordan]

They were great.

[Dan]

And it turns out that I think he's leaning into the idea that there's a fake alien disclosure that's about to happen.

[Alex Jones]

All right, well, Congressman Tim Burchette has a lot of credibility with me. He didn't go along with the Republicans or the Democrats on the Epstein cover up. Just a lot of other things. You tell he's the real deal. His voting record's excellent. And he was asked yesterday with the clip coming up on Fox News about former Congressman Gates being briefed about alien human hybrids by the Army. He said, well, I can't give you classified information, but he said, just what we were shown two weeks ago would terrorize the entire population, and you just wouldn't even believe it. He says Americans would freak out if they knew what Congress has been told. Now, I've been on top of this for a long time, and I can tell you most of what Congress has given most of the guests. And I'm not putting Joe Rogan down. He knows a lot of them are full of it. He's always trying to figure out who's hacker and who's not. He asked me all the time, hmm. Will come on as these DoD whistleblowers and just put out absolute crap. So they're flooding the zone with a bunch of disinformation. But there's also a lot of real stuff going on.

[Dan]

If Alex wants to get any points for saying that many of Rogan's guests are full of shit and that Rogan knows that a lot of them are full of shit, then I'm gonna need him to name some names. Yeah, as long as he just speaks in these kind of vague terms, it's almost like not criticizing Rogan's guests at all. And this is a bigger problem than it appears to be at first, because Alex is saying that he talks to Joe about how some of his guests are full of shit. That means that, in theory, Rogan is presenting bullshitters to his audience as experts, knows they're bullshitters, and doesn't let his audience in on the fact that they're bullshitters. He might even let them come back on the show and let them lie about what they said about Sandy Hook. Yeah, like, it's crazy what he might allow.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

If Rogan knows that some of his guests are running psyops on his audience, then he has an obligation to protect them from those psyops, or else he's complicit in them. So it would be good for Alex, and even more so for Joe to go on the record about who the people are who've used him as a megaphone to manipulate his huge audience.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Also, I'm glad that Alex is proud of Representative Burchett for not going along with the Epstein cover up, but the problem is that Alex using that as a mark of credibility, it reminds you that Alex was fine going along with it.

[Jordan]

He's super cool with going along with it.

[Dan]

That wasn't a deal breaker for him. And his main problem was that Trump wouldn't shut up about it, whereas, you know, Alex prefers a more silent, stonewall kind of coverup.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dan]

So Burchett has been talking a bunch of shit lately about aliens, but to be fair to him, he's been doing that for a long time. His most recent comments have come because he's introduced a bill seeking to get rid of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office, or the aaro. So the AERO is an office in the Department of Defense that handles alien and UFO reports. And Burchett's bill would take that centralized office away and delegate their responsibilities to a bunch of other offices. So it'd be harder to cover up aliens.

[Jordan]

Okay, I gotcha. All right, so it's. It's like a dead. It's like whatever. You send a letter to every attorney before you go confront the guy in case they kill you, they'll be like, ah, the letter's coming out no matter what.

[Dan]

I guess so.

[Jordan]

Gotcha.

[Dan]

But like just the presentation of this, when you look at it at first, it doesn't seem insane. The idea that there's one centralized DoD office that's responsible for the UFO stuff, that sounds like X Files stuff and we don't need that in the real world.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Dan]

Burchett claims that there's been like this decades long cover up. And it seems like if there's just one office that covers this stuff, then maybe that could be a bottleneck.

[Jordan]

It would be easier to cover it up if There was only one office, right? Yeah. And the computers were probably 20 years old. Because it's the government.

[Dan]

They're not even using computers. They're using like weird punch card.

[Jordan]

Yeah, they're probably using weird punch card things.

[Dan]

They're communicating via piano.

[Jordan]

Ironic, considering the magic technology that the aliens give them.

[Dan]

Now, unfortunately, this office was created in 2022 partially because of people like Burchett who are yelling about how the government needed to take aliens more seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

This is a big old. Who cares? If aliens exist and have technology that everyone imagines they see in the skies, then we're fucked. If they want to hurt us, they're by definition a benevolent force because they could crush us, but don't. So they aren't nearly as big of a threat to humans as the Trump administration.

[Jordan]

If they were going to, they could have. So why worry about if they will, Right?

[Dan]

They haven't yet.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Which is. That speaks volumes.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Anyone who cares a ton about this stuff right now seems very suspicious to me. Even if you're trying to make a conspiracy out of the idea that the government is going to fake some kind of disclosure, I still think that's trying to distract from the real world issues we're facing. Maybe Trump is threatening to kill civilization. So not treating that like an immediate crisis and spending your time rambling about aliens, it kind of still feels like covering for Trump.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah, it's weird.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. It's a bit like if somebody elected Goldfinger president, but that. I guess that's how it works.

[Dan]

Or Gold member.

[Jordan]

Gold member also.

[Alex Jones]

Mm.

[Jordan]

Let me ask you a question, because I think we've been like. Not to use the term predictive programming, but in terms of the imagination of what aliens could do, I think we've got the gamut. You know what I'm saying? Like, we've got The. They blow us up. We've got the. They got magic technology.

[Dan]

They fuck around a little bit. They're pranksters.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. We got the Men in Black version. What exactly would freak the public out so much that you can't tell us anymore? Hmm. You know what I mean?

[Dan]

I think. You know what? I was actually kind of thinking about that a little bit. I think if you gave everyone a week off work, that they could, like, deal with this.

[Jordan]

Hey, aliens, we got. We know it's gonna take some time, so we're gonna. We're gonna send everybody dinner for the next week. Yeah. And then you can deal with it. And then we'll be back to work.

[Dan]

Yeah. If everyone was, like, able to safely process it with people that they can connect with, I don't know. I don't think people would have that much hard.

[Jordan]

I also don't, because you're right. Like, if we're at the stage where they want to kill us, if you can travel through time and space to get to us, you've already won. You've already won. There's nothing we could do to stop you.

[Dan]

Yeah. And the fact that you haven't killed us should, like, we should take that as a sign of good faith.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Because we've got it coming. If you're from space and you're like, I don't know, maybe we should kill civilizations that are bad, and you saw us, you'd be like, yeah, this is the line. This is the Mendoza line. Anything worse than this, we got to get it out of here.

[Dan]

What if the aliens are around but they're just not on Twitter? So they don't know all this stuff.

[Jordan]

We don't get social media. How are you guys. How do you guys even talk to each other?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So you're talking about the imagination, about aliens and predictive programming.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex actually talks a little bit about that in the context of Ridley Scott.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And it was Ridley Scott, when he made Prometheus, the prequel to Alien, told the New York Times years after it came out. And I said this. When it came out. I said, this is the elite's creation story. None of them are atheist. None of them believe. We came from evolution on its own, but directed evolution accelerated evolution, and this is what they believe, because I've been around these people, and they do. And then he does this big interview years later, saying, oh, this is. This is my religion. This is my. This is how I think the Earth was actually made. You notice it's. The aliens are humanoid giants, 1012ft tall. And they've got a bioweapon that they use to kill other humanoid colonies that they don't like because they'd seeded us here. And they're. They're sending ships from their attack base out to wipe our planet out.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Alex Jones]

And that's why it's interesting. Later, humans get to a development level and go back out and, well, it is shot at us and missed, but at us and hit. So. And that's what's in the Anunnaki Legends, and all of that is that the is. Is. Is that God decided to wipe us out because we've been mixed with another alien species he didn't like. So this is all about to come out, folks.

[Dan]

Okay, so I was reading through interviews that Ridley Scott did about the alien Prometheus, and I found this bit from 2024, when. Or 2025, when he was promoting GL. And I just have to share this with you.

[Jordan]

Okay. Okay.

[Dan]

Quote to sidetrack a moment. My sport was always tennis, and I became reasonably good. But when you get that good, you bet you be better. Play five times a day, five days a week. I watched a documentary on the retirement of Roger Federer. It's three parts, just fantastic. Federer begins and in his soft English, said, I know I'm gonna cry. He's about to have his last matches with Rafael Nadal and Novak Djokovic. He talks about the game, and I'm parallel paralleling that with what my game is, which is feature film. I thought, good God, if I had to retire at 40 from filmmaking when I've just began my new career, I wouldn't know what to do. I'm sure Roger's got it all planned out. He's a very smart man. But there's one thing you'll always miss. You miss Nadal across that net.

[Jordan]

Mm.

[Dan]

To clarify, he was asked a question about how he felt about James Cameron directed this. Directing the second Alien movie instead of him.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And if that factored into his decision to insist on directing the Gladiator sequel.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

And that was where his mind went.

[Jordan]

Yes. Yes. He and James Cameron are in a death spiral. Yes. Yeah.

[Dan]

So much respect.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Oh, man. I do. I remember that documentary. And I cried a lot.

[Dan]

You and Ridley Scott could sit down.

[Jordan]

I mean, it's amazing to know that Ridley Scott and I have a lot in common.

[Dan]

Yeah. If I had more time, I probably would have gotten deep in a hole of watching interviews with him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because the transcripts of them that I was reading over, like, this guy seems fucking insane. Seems Like a good interview.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that does sound right.

[Dan]

I've read a bunch of the interviews that he did about Prometheus and he doesn't say that he based it on the globalists creation myth. He tends to bring up Milton's Paradise Lost. And when he was promoting Gladiator 2, he literally said he was, quote, asleep at the wheel when he was making Prometheus.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

I'm glad Alex has decided that it's a secret revelation of the devil's beliefs or whatever though. That's fun. Anyway, I kept that in mostly because I found the tennis.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's fun. Thank you. Good to hear about. I wonder. Okay. Is it just that Elrond was like, fuck it, I'll do it. Is that the only thing that keeps all of these guys from starting their own religion? Like, could Ridley Scott have just spun Prometheus into like dianetics and then moved on and became Scientology guy now? Is it there?

[Dan]

No. Well, look, I'm not a Ridley Scott scholar.

[Jordan]

I mean, you've just said he's insane, so that's a mark in his favor for starting Scientology.

[Dan]

Yeah, but I think he's the kind of insane that wouldn't allow himself to take it that seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And want to go make a gladiator. Another Gladiator picture.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think he likes film and he likes weird ideas.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You can't. You can't make Kingdom of Heaven and want to take over the world.

[Dan]

And here's. Here's where I think, like, he doesn't have the narcissism that's necessary to have a religion. He was asked about James Cameron do an avatar with all digital stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he was making a big deal of how he made Gladiator. You know, practical sense.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Dan]

And he wasn't mean about James Cameron using digital.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Cgi. He's like, God, Jim does it different.

[Jordan]

That's the way of being mean. Yeah, that's the way of being mean. If I live my life completely different from you, I am absolutely telling you that you're doing it wrong.

[Dan]

Maybe, maybe. I think. I think Scott's above it.

[Jordan]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

So Alex said something in the early going of this episode that got me pretty excited.

[Alex Jones]

It is Friday, April 3, 2026. I am your embattled host, coming to you from deep in the heart of Texas. Austin, transmitting worldwide. All right, I'm going to spend the third and fourth hour on humanity's origin story. To understand the present, you must know the past and the beginning.

[Jordan]

All right, here we go.

[Alex Jones]

And if you believe the Bible, if you believe the Sumerian text that are carved in stone, if you believe the Egyptian text, if you believe all the books of the Bible that they confirm

[Jordan]

were written after Christ's death on papyrus, I guess, but pulled out.

[Alex Jones]

It's War of the Worlds, baby. But the, the church does not want you to know that both the orthodox and the Catholics. And it is a fact, and it is what the establishment knows and what they've been keeping from everybody.

[Dan]

Two hours of this show is going to be Alex just rambling about stuff from movies and books by Zacharias Sitchin and things that he half remembers from episodes of Ancient Aliens.

[Jordan]

Better believe it.

[Dan]

This is a man who doesn't want to talk about Trump.

[Jordan]

Absolutely not.

[Dan]

I know that this show isn't really tied too closely to reality, but this editorial decision should be seen for what it is, which is cowardice. Trump was sold to Alex's audience as someone who knew about the globalist plots and was working to stop them. If the globalist plots go back to Samaria and the beginning of human history, then it's pretty implausible to believe that Trump could have ever known about them, been on the right side, and then all of a sudden went bad. That's just not believable. A good rule of thumb is that Alex take he's talking too seriously about aliens. That's a sign that things are going really well for him. Or really bad. If he feels on top of the world and he's drunk with Rogan, he'll ramble about how he knows the secrets of the universe. And if he's run out of every single excuse on earth for Trump, he'll retreat to the stars.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that's what he's trying to do here.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This is the equivalent of being outside, like helping to plan a bank robbery. Then being outside and when the cops are walking by and running in here, you just go,

[Dan]

maybe flick McCoyne in the air.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Never involved with this. Gotta get out of here. Goodbye.

[Dan]

Check your watch.

[Jordan]

Oh. Who are those people? Get them, get them, officers.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. There's, there's something really like, I gotta get the fuck out of here.

[Jordan]

100%.

[Dan]

It's kind of funny.

[Jordan]

There's something to it.

[Dan]

So Alex was talking about Sumerian stone tablets and what have you written in stone, right. That brings them to Gilgamesh.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

For we fight not against blood, but against off world entities. Read it. It's in the Bible. Pull it up. New Testament, Old Testament.

[Jordan]

And what's in pull the whole thing up now.

[Alex Jones]

Samarian text, the Epic of Gilgamesh, the Anunnaki. It's the same story in the first book of the Bible. And boy, have you heard of this before. All about a global elite working with off world aliens. And the aliens decide that the humans, there's too many of them. And so they re engineer us to be slower, stupider, infertile. What does the Old Testament tell you? That people are living 800 years on average. But, but then God or the gods cursed us and engineers to only live 75 on average. Well, that's the Epic of Gilgamesh. That's the Sumerians.

[Dan]

Not really.

[Jordan]

Nope.

[Dan]

That's sort of in the background of the story of Gilgamesh. But that's not, that's not what's going on there like that. Maybe as a part of the deeper mythology.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But the character Gilgamesh wants to, he wants to find the secret to eternal life, but he learns that it's not really possible and that death is part of how God, the gods, created man. The story includes a flood myth which is a parallel to the story in the Bible about Noah. Gilgamesh meets a guy, the guy who survived the flood by building an ark, who was given the gift of immortality by the gods because he saved humanity with a boat.

[Jordan]

Nice.

[Dan]

So that is, you know, one immortality that's in there. In Genesis 6, God just decides that humans were living too long. So he set the limit at 120. 120 years.

[Jordan]

I mean, it was, it was. I would still say that's probably too long, but you know, it's better than a thousand.

[Dan]

And I have bad news.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

There was a French lady who died in 1997 who was 122. So it seems like it's not a rule of God. One of the main reasons that people lived so long in the Bible at the beginning, and then they had much more normal lifespans, is that they needed to mythologically connect the creation story of Adam with the destruction of the world in the flood. Noah's the 10th generation descendant of Adam. And making that numerically fit requires the ancestors living way longer.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Than people did. And that's mostly what's going on here.

[Jordan]

Let's face it, we cannot remember that many. This was an oral tradition before we invented writing. I can't remember that many names. I can't, I can't do it. So this guy lived a thousand years? Sure. He could have been 5,000 guys. Right? You know what, he's just this guy

[Dan]

And I'm not saying that there's like crazy number codes that you can decrypt and find magic powers, but numbers are significant.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

10 generations is.

[Jordan]

They're doing a thing. Yeah, yeah, they're doing the thing.

[Dan]

Yeah. So that, that's part of the importance.

[Jordan]

We're humans. We like big round numbers. If you see a round number in real life, though, it's probably not real.

[Dan]

Or maybe the globalists back then were working with aliens. That's possible to shorten humans lifespans by that makes something in the water putting like atrazine in the water.

[Jordan]

Here's, here's my problem with all of these alien stories is that while I respect that aliens I wouldn't be able to understand their motivations. Obviously they're alien to me. Right. At the very least, I would expect somebody who is capable of traveling through a space faring species. Right. Would at least have figured out a like this is something we want or something we don't want kind of thing. There would be a benefit or an advantage to it. Why are they so inexplicably crazy just doing so many random shit for fun? Why 120?

[Dan]

I think it's be. Well, I think it's. I think it's because mostly they're being imagined.

[Jordan]

Well, Dan, I know, and some of

[Dan]

this stuff is literary.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't know. But again, I do think you touched on something important, which is it's a fool's errand to try and understand alien motivations.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, the Earth maybe is a big research facility that aliens are using. Why not figure something out?

[Jordan]

Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

[Alex Jones]

Look around, boys and girls. You're not in Kansas anymore and you never were. Ha. But there is so much baloney loaded into all of this and so much disinformation. But we know. That with the genetic engineering and the level of science we have, this has been a phenomenon for 20 years. Nobody's an atheist anymore. Nobody thinks that salt in the ocean just turned into life. It was all put here. Nothing on this planet is from this planet. This planet is a giant research facility. A couple mice and it's had different owners and different groups. And you go to the ancient Indian Vedic test text, 30004000 years old, the oldest copies they found, and things carved in stone. And all of it is mathematical equations that they now are able to translate that are super advanced on energy and sound, everything else. Oh, and the Indians have the exact same stories.

[Dan]

So I'm supposed to have my mind blown by the Indian texts having stories that match the Indian text.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Feels like Alex is throwing spaghetti at the wall. This is not possible.

[Jordan]

Possible.

[Dan]

So Alex is talking about a book that was published in 1965 called Vedic Mathematics. It purports to be 16 sayings that illustrate mathematical principles that are derived from Vedic texts. But it was a hoax.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

The writer just pretended that the things he wrote were connected to the Vedas, but it was mostly just stuff he came up with. The book is mostly just cool math tricks you can do to impress your friends. Like, for example, you can multiply any number by five if you just cut it in half and put a zero at the end.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

Yeah. Or if you want to put in a little more complexity, you can multiply any two digit number by 11 by separating the digits and then putting their sum in between.

[Jordan]

No. What? So that's like 121.

[Dan]

It's mathematical tricks.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like mental math.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That's what they call new math now, is it?

[Dan]

Yeah, I've heard that term, but.

[Jordan]

So maybe it's because that guy is actually a genius and the Vedic tests were right there the whole time.

[Dan]

I don't know how to accurately express this, but this is the Platonic ideal of an Alex source. So many of his reference points are like, they're books that are perfect for junior high students to use to make themselves feel smarter than their peers. And that's what this is.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He used this book to feel smarter than everyone about math. Just like he used None Dare Call It Conspiracy to Feel Smarter than Everyone at School about politics and history. I get that. And I think it's awesome that some kids are contrarian as hell, but you're supposed to grow past this stage.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex is in his 50s.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Makes you. Makes you really recognize why a guy would be attracted to somebody who is afraid of looking like a weenie should they back down from anything forever. Forever.

[Dan]

A weenie forever.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't want to look like a weenie, says the junior high man, trying to show off.

[Dan]

That's so. It's. It feels so right.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it does. It really does. That's a good out of context drop.

[Dan]

So Alex, he's. He'd brought up Gilgamesh earlier. Mike, has this boy been reading? See, is he doing some flipping of

[Jordan]

pages or he's playing Final Fantasy? There's a lot of Gilgamesh in there.

[Dan]

No, he's just on Twitter.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, but you know what? Let's Just go ahead and play a short little video, a little prelude from a video I saw on X a few days ago with just a little snapshot of the epic of Gilgamesh that they couldn't translate till whatever was like 80 years ago. And then they found the decoding sounds true. Stones that explained how to decode it. And man, it's like reading a science fiction book. But it's not.

[Dan]

But it's not.

[Jordan]

But it's not.

[Dan]

So Alex just plays this video of a guy that is on. On Twitter that is just talking about Gilgamesh. Like, it's mostly like background ancient aliens type explanations of Sumerian myths.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And. And stuff. But like, I, I was, I was listening to this. I was like, Alex has essentially outsourced what John Bown and Greg Reese used to do by stealing people's content from Twitter.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. There was a. There was a degree of separation where it was almost like a plausible deniability kind of thing. Like, sure, I call them reporters, but they just troll the Internet and grab stuff that is popular or going viral at any time. And then I talk about it. Now he's just literally scrolling.

[Dan]

Well, I've, I've seen the invoices. I know what, like, John Bown was getting paid per view. And I, I, like, Alex used to have to pay him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

To find something that was on Twitter and then make his own video sort of covering it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex could play it on the show. Now he just steals everyone's shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it's higher quality because people are actually trying.

[Jordan]

They're making it themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Instead of John Bound rehashing it like

[Dan]

Tosh or some shit, he solved the problem of, like, he can't get any competent employees.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And he doesn't have to pay anymore. It is awesome.

[Jordan]

It is the apotheosis of hiring by contest. What greater contest is there than just grabbing enough attention today?

[Dan]

Yeah. A contest you didn't know you were in.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

You're not getting anything for.

[Jordan]

You can't win.

[Dan]

I guess maybe exposure and exposure. So Alex talks about how the aliens are in the Bible.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And they're also in things that aren't in the Bible but probably should be.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And it goes on from there. We'll air more of that later.

[Jordan]

What else should be in the Bible

[Alex Jones]

that's been dug up all over those ancient sites? And remember, the Jews were held captive along with other groups by the Egyptians that were going along at the same time nearby, you know, just 800 miles away. Or a thousand miles away or so less. And then they had their own writing, and then they wrote about it in Genesis, which is essentially the same story. And then there were, what, four books of the Bible that folks decided to cut out of the Old Testament, couple out of the new confirmed books, and it's all about that. That. Oh, all the books about that. You don't get to know about that. And the preachers always tell you the Bible's literal except the parts in Ezekiel and Daniel and Revelation and Genesis to

[Jordan]

talk about all this and a bunch of other stuff.

[Alex Jones]

But you read the other books, which I intend to do on air soon, or the key. I'm sorry, I was reading this morning, the whole one. It's just unbelievable, folks. And, And.

[Dan]

And it's unbelievable. Alex really shouldn't open this door up, because down this road is trouble. It would be one thing if there were only a few books that weren't included in the Bible, and they all happen to be about aliens or demons. But the reality is that there's a ton of books that aren't in the Bible that arguably could be. One very difficult question any religion has to answer is about the canon of what is divinely inspired and what isn't.

[Jordan]

What bullshit do we want to work with?

[Dan]

Yeah. And for someone in Alex's position who claims that God speaks to him and gives him prophecies, it's not worth it to debate this. It's pretty well understood by religious studies scholars that many of the books in the canonical Bible have names that are attributed to them that, like, they could not have written those books.

[Jordan]

Of course. Of course not.

[Dan]

That was very common in literature at the time. So even though Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are theoretically supposed to have been written by the apostles, they were not. The Dead Sea Scrolls included books that aren't in the canon, and the Nag Hammadi library had tons of excluded texts. There's so much that could be in the Christian canon that isn't. And when you start to examine that fact and try to explain it, it's hard to escape the seemingly arbitrary nature of what's in and what's not.

[Alex Jones]

No.

[Dan]

Once you start dealing with religious texts on this level, it has a tendency to take the divine out of the conversation, and that's not good for Alex. So let's tease this conversation out a little bit. He's saying that these four books were kicked out of the Bible because the powers that be didn't want you to know what they said. At the core. This is Alex saying that the canon of the Bible was decided as a means of maintaining social control because those books were too threatening to the people in power, so they excluded them. Right. In Alex's mind, there's a true Christianity, but these people were trying to wield power by putting the label of Christianity on their distorted version of the canon. Sure. I welcome this argument, and it's definitely something that history has provided examples of people doing, like the slave Bible. But if Alex wants to make this argument, he needs to get specific about what his canon is. He can't just gesture wildly at a copy of the lost books of the Bible and forgotten books of Eden and pretend that his work is done. He needs to give a reason why some books are in and some aren't. Or he needs to admit it's just based off feelings.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Aliens and demons excite him. So the books that are about that kind of stuff, that's real Christianity, but the ones that are just a bunch of rules that he doesn't want to follow, those are boring. Give him the boot.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The sacred should be treated as sacred, regardless of how fundamentally irrational it is, because once you start trying to bring rationality to bear on the sacred and everything collapses.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This is the space where Alex wants to have his cake and eat it, too. Where everything he talks about is documented. And it's all this study, but he also has magic, prophetic dreams. It's just no good.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you're a believer and somebody's like, what about all this stuff? You go like, presumably God can handle what goes in his own fucking book. Am I right? He knows if it made it in, it's supposed to be. If it didn't, it's not supposed to be. I don't need to ask questions because the moment I ask questions, then it's like, well, what if it could be this? No, it can't be. It's just God.

[Dan]

Right. There's, like, a number of books that you could make very valid arguments for why they could be. And there are denominations that have the Apocrypha as part of their canon.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Dan]

And there's strong arguments there. There's also strong arguments for why, like, some books shouldn't be in the Bible.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And, you know, I guess if you get really crazy with it, you could just say, like, a Ray Bradbury story should be in the Bible. Why not?

[Jordan]

Why not? If it's a. If it's a demonstrably useful parable of something that somebody could absolutely grow through learning about, then, yeah, fuck it, put it in there.

[Dan]

That was part of the argument for why Luther included the. Some of the apocrypha in his Bible was it's like, well, fuck it. It helps if it's fake. It can only be uplifting to Christians. And it's a good lesson.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. What are we doing? Yeah, why not?

[Dan]

Anyway.

[Jordan]

Oh, that one story is about him fucking with wine. What are we doing? Make him fuck with other stuff. Who gives a shit? Throw it in there, right?

[Dan]

Let's see him make a motorcycle.

[Jordan]

Check this out. Butter, no churn. Can you believe that shit? Put it in the Bible.

[Dan]

That's pretty crazy.

[Jordan]

That's pretty crazy.

[Dan]

So another thing that probably should be in the Bible.

[Alex Jones]

What?

[Dan]

Plato.

[Jordan]

Plato.

[Dan]

Yeah, because he talked about Atlantis and stuff and that should be in the Bible.

[Jordan]

I think Plato shouldn't be in the Bible.

[Dan]

What?

[Alex Jones]

It's funny, Plato said where the Spartans lived. Spartans in the Spartan war. The, the.

[Jordan]

In Greece, war with the Trojans.

[Alex Jones]

Where the Trojans lived. But before that they weren't even sure the Trojans existed or where their city was or where their island was. But right where Plato was. Archeologists never found it. And then they finally, what, 30 something years ago, found giant city that had just been basically buried in some later flood. And it was all there, Troy, just like Plato said. And Plato said tens of thousands of years before, there had been two cities. Atlantis was two one was Atlantis another name.

[Dan]

It seems to me like if Alex actually believed this stuff, he wouldn't have difficulty coming up with the other magic city that existed in the past.

[Jordan]

It's really important.

[Dan]

Pretty sure he's trying to remember the name Lemuria. But Plato doesn't mention the second city. Plato did. He didn't give a new location for where Troy was. He was just repeating what was already established in the Homeric oral tradition in the Iliad and the Odyssey.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

They didn't find Troy 30 years ago. Heinrich Schliemann found it in the like 1870s. People were initially skeptical of the excavation because it was believed that a different already discovered city was probably Troy. But as he found more evidence, he built a strong case and brought people over to his side. That said there's still skepticism in one sense, and that is that there's no evidence that the Homeric poems are true. Troy existing doesn't mean that there was a guy who fought there who was invincible, except on his heel.

[Jordan]

In fact, I would argue that regardless, he probably wasn't sure.

[Dan]

I think he was probably a good fighter if he was a person, maybe. Anyway, all that stuff just this the city could be there.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And this stuff does not have to be true.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. None of it.

[Dan]

Also get this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I just gonna blow your mind.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

When that dude found Troy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That was 20 years before we invented volleyball. That's how long ago it was.

[Jordan]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

Volleyball did not exist.

[Jordan]

It's hard. It is hard to imagine a world without volleyball. Like you can. You can imagine, you know, before Naismith, you can be like, ah, where'd basketball come from? But volleyball, you just got a net and you hammer it, you know.

[Dan]

Think badminton existed before?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Why don't we do this with our hands?

[Jordan]

Why not? Lawn sports have existed for a lot longer. So just throw. Throw a volleyball in there.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

Alex is saying that they found Troy 30 years ago, pre volleyball.

[Jordan]

I want to. I want to say that 30 years ago is closer to when the movie Atlantis by Disney was released starring Michael J. Fox.

[Dan]

You make an interesting point.

[Jordan]

In it, he finds the Shepherd's Journal very similar in story wise, how it works as to Plato's Little Thing. And in it, they find the lost hidden city of Atlantis underground.

[Dan]

Tough pitch coming from me here.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That script also put it in the

[Jordan]

Bible, I would say. You know what? I really like that movie.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think it's great.

[Dan]

So we are in the third dimension right now.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

Physical space.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Tapping on the desk.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

And I feel like it's real, but there's other dimensions that are more real.

[Jordan]

I don't think that's possible.

[Alex Jones]

All these ancient cultures and the Bible tell us that there are dimensional realities more real than ours. We now know with mathematics. That's true. And that our minds are able to connect to that electrochemically, which they are. That our brains are transceivers, all of our cells are. And that we're given messages through the ether.

[Jordan]

What's ether?

[Alex Jones]

That's what all the different cultures would do was rituals and hallucinogens to have group hallucinations, which. There's no such thing. It raises the veil so that you can now see beyond because your brain already sees it. It filters it out. And you can only see a limited light spectrum in the third dimension.

[Dan]

This is where you have to take a step back. If you're Alex and you're still pretending to be a Christian, a lot of the stuff in the Bible is pretty negotiable. And if you're in one tradition, you may believe something slightly different than someone who's in another group.

[Jordan]

It'll happen.

[Dan]

Baptism is a good example of where there's, like, a lot of disagreement, but the thing that you really can't get away from is that God had a son named Jesus who died for humanity's sins, and that sacrifice created a new covenant between God and man. If you don't believe that, you're not a Christian.

[Jordan]

It's in the title.

[Dan]

If Alex believes that there are a bunch of other more real dimensions that we get to play around in, if we try real hard, that's great, and I'm happy for him. But that's not Christianity. And let me take this one step further. If he believes that the books of the Bible are some esoteric riddle that only he's smart enough to understand, then not only is he not a Christian, he's directly refuting the core pillars of the faith.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We've listened to the show enough that we've heard him pray countless times on air, and he's faked crying about his personal relationship with Jesus. So I don't think he just thinks that the Bible is supposed to be coded language that explains, like, these other dimensions and stuff. When he's doing this kind of thing, he isn't crying because the riddles are so good. He's using the conventional understanding of the Christian faith to manipulate his audience and. And then doing this kind of shit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Which is blasphemous.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. You know, there's. There's a great Leslie Nielsen movie called Surf Ninjas. Here's what's great about a movie called

[Dan]

a Leslie Nielsen movie.

[Jordan]

Of course I do.

[Alex Jones]

Okay.

[Jordan]

He's in it.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

I don't remember the names of anybody else is in it.

[Dan]

So it's definitely not one of the surf ninjas.

[Jordan]

No, he's not. But if you name a movie Surf Ninjas, you need at the very least two things. Surfing and ninjas. Right. If you name your religion Christianity, you are fairly required to have the Christ be, like, front and center.

[Dan]

And it has to be a real, like. Whether you understand it as, like, some kind of a metaphorical truth.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Or you believe it as, you know, literal resurrection. You must believe in this thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is. It is what we are united around. Otherwise, we are not united at all. The word is meaningless.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And Alex is basically kind of, you know, he likes to talk about people peeing on things. He's kind of pissing on a cross.

[Jordan]

Yeah. That is the. That is the problem. You know, you say, hey, we. We're going to protect Christianity. If people start saying bad stuff about it and they're like, oh, I'm a Christian, but this is what we do. We go, no, you can't do that. But then the problem with Christians saying, no, you can't do that is they tend to go a little far. They tend to go a little far in history.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

In the whole. You can't do this thing.

[Dark Journalist]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's. It's a. It's a tough. It's a tough, tough balance to strike. Yeah.

[Jordan]

You know, it's like, no, we don't want Alex. But at the same time, you shouldn't put people on the rack. There's a. It's a. It's a trade off.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Jordan]

You know?

[Dan]

Yep. So Alex talks a little bit here about Elon Musk.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And how he's cured blindness.

[Jordan]

Interesting.

[Dan]

Yeah. And this has to do with, like, the idea that DMT lifts the veil and stuff.

[Jordan]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Dan]

He's gonna be able to do that for you, like, with a little implant.

[Jordan]

I don't know if that's true.

[Alex Jones]

Elon Musk has talked about with his company. This has been around for a long time. I remember seeing documentaries on PBS when I was a kid about it, where they could put wires into people's brains and start giving them limited sight. But now with computer programs that can train the brain, they can do it very, very quickly. Even if you never had sight before, they can wire somebody up. You'll decide if they had it before because you already have the patterns in your brain to have sight. But if you never had sight, it's very hard. But now they have computer programs where it goes in. And it starts with a very easy document. Brain training on it then adds more pixels. And within six months, a year, people can see. That's available to everybody. They just haven't decided to deploy it to you. And as Elon has said in talks, they could hook somebody up to those and show you infrared. They can hook it up where you can actually see radioactive emanations. They can. You can turn your brain up and then you can see everything.

[Dan]

Everything.

[Jordan]

Ooh.

[Dan]

So the first problem here is that blindness is caused by a ton of different conditions and circumstances. So there isn't really like a quick fix like Alex is imagining. This is just Musk's shit talking and Alex repeating it like a good media surrogate. Cause that's what he is.

[Jordan]

That's what he does.

[Dan]

New and evolving therapies involve a certain amount of training the brain to process signals that come in from the eye. But a lot of vision loss has more to do with the cells in your eyes that recognize light. Researchers have made a lot of progress with growing these cells in a lab setting. And that's exciting stuff, but it's not the music man ass stuff that Elon's doing. He has a company called Blindsight, which has gone through no clinical trials yet, but he's done a fair amount of PR for it.

[Jordan]

That's great.

[Dan]

It's cool. And it's not shady.

[Jordan]

That doesn't sound shady at all.

[Dan]

Elon's plan is basically to ignore the eye part of the equation and implant electrodes that stimulate the cells in your visual cortex in order to show your brain pictures. So it would probably rely on some kind of wearable or implantable camera where a person's eyes are.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

People who work in vision based medicine and research all pretty much believe that it could be possible that this could give someone the ability to see, like, blurry general shapes. But there's no way that we know enough about how to stimulate enough cells in the right way to give someone.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that would be crazy.

[Dan]

It's just so far beyond what's possible.

[Jordan]

The complexity required to understand it would be beyond anything we. It would require alien technology.

[Dan]

It is a more feasible gamble of a thing to think about the cells to implant in the air.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

It's fair enough, though, that Elon could just broadcast whatever he wanted on those things into your head.

[Jordan]

Ooh.

[Dan]

Presumably, it would only be whatever you wanted to see, like infrared or heat vision.

[Jordan]

Presumably.

[Dan]

Feels like that might eventually become the premium package.

[Jordan]

There is going to be a. There is going to be a lot

[Dan]

of commercials you might have to pay for. Ad free. Eyeballs, man. You should see also, like, whatever he could project into your brain, you could just see. Now, you are one decision away from being able to wear heat vision goggles all the time.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

And if you make that decision, you will quickly learn why people don't walk around with heat vision goggles. There's not magic stuff. You.

[Jordan]

There's nothing you can really do. There's nothing. I mean, things look bad. It's easier to see in the dark. So there's that.

[Dan]

Well, those are another goggle you could get.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there's goggles. Definitely that. Yeah. Well, there you go. I guess we don't need fake eyes.

[Dan]

Also, shouldn't this be transhumanism? Like, he should be really against this.

[Jordan]

I listen, I don't like wearing glasses and I don't like wearing contacts, but I'm not going to be the first to get New eyes, you know what I'm saying? I'm going to let, I'm going to let enough early adopter types. I wasn't. I didn't get the iPhone one, I got the iPhone three. I'm out here waiting until, till I get to Iz3.

[Dan]

Do you know what though? I would never like, I think I. Oh man, no, I don't think I ever would.

[Jordan]

You don't think so?

[Dan]

No, I would, I would get the like those cells like that kind of a surgery.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I wouldn't ever get robot eyeballs from Musk.

[Jordan]

You don't know what it's. Well, I wouldn't get them from Musk obviously, that you can't trust those eyeballs.

[Dark Journalist]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But I don't know what other kind of competition there's going to be in that field.

[Jordan]

I mean List. I am assuming there will be an altruistic company giving out free government funded eyes.

[Dan]

I think the other folks are going to have a better shot.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And one of the things that I saw brought up in one of the articles that I thought was, you know, a good point was that like a lot of the people who are suffering from vision loss.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They're later in life and they don't really know how to live blind.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And so a lot of them are depressed and despondent.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And someone like Musk coming along and being like, I will magically, I can magically fix your eyes, give you money.

[Jordan]

This has never happened in America before.

[Dan]

It's preying on people who are in like a really vulnerable position. And I think that they have to know like, they have to know that this hype is.

[Jordan]

I mean you can, you can call cold call and try and get Social Security numbers or you can do it. Elon Musk is doing. Apparently one of them is legal.

[Dan]

Yeah. And encourage.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So the eyes.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They're really just brain tissue. If you think about it. Your eyes are really your brain.

[Jordan]

I strongly disagree with that. But okay.

[Alex Jones]

Like your eyeballs, when you are in utero as a tiny fetus, grow out of your brain. They say the eyes, the window of the soul. Your eyes are brain tissue. Your eyes are stalks that grow out of the brain.

[Jordan]

Cool.

[Alex Jones]

And so your unconscious and subconscious sees everything but the dmt, the ayahuasca goes in and lifts the veil. But God doesn't get involved in free will. So when you take dmt, All that is going to appear to you is bad entities because they're violating a rule of God to try to manipulate us in the third Dimension. Because we're babies, we're children. We're supposed to be allowed to chase the butterflies and run to the park, metaphorically, metaphysically, in this short lifetime, this test. But they're there to sabotage and manipulate and get us off track.

[Dan]

Did you not have the free will to take the DMT in the first place? Like, the demons you see in those trips can't force you to do anything. So I have no idea how they're violating God's free will rules. I guess they can't appear to you unless you ask them to. Like, but you took the drug that makes it so you can see them. Like, yeah, there. There's. There's. This is on you. You did this.

[Jordan]

You took the drug. You can say the name three times in a mirror or you can take dmt. It's the same thing.

[Dan]

Yeah, they didn't ask you to do that. And as best as I can tell, they were just minding their own business before you got high, like, showed up.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ. I'm Bloody Mary over here. What are you doing?

[Dan]

If the free will rule is that you can't appear without being called upon, then God has broken that rule. A bunch of. He just showed up in the Garden of Eden and asked, you know, Adam and Eve, like, hey, why are you naked?

[Jordan]

Hey, check this out.

[Dan]

Yeah, he didn't ask them to show up.

[Jordan]

Hey, bro.

[Dan]

God basically harassed Moses until he agreed to do what he asked. I'm not sure any of the various prophets specifically asked for the vision they had. And Saul certainly didn't call on God.

[Jordan]

Hey, bud, I'm a bush. I'm burning. Wow.

[Dan]

Saul was just out there, like, persecuting Christians. And then on the road to Damascus, God appeared and was like, dude, what's your deal? Yeah, like, he didn't. He didn't ask. There's no free will in that, bro.

[Jordan]

Turn around. Get your shit together. All right, I'm out.

[Dan]

This free will business doesn't really make sense. And it's just a dumb way for Alex to impose his libertarian ideas on God. God is super into small government, private property, and the non aggression principle, too.

[Jordan]

Weird. So weird how he's exactly like what I want him to be, as opposed to me being conforming to him. It's so crazy how this. It's. Religion's great. Really?

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's magic.

[Jordan]

It is magic.

[Dan]

So earlier, Alex was talking about this Representative Burchett.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And how he's talking some shit about aliens. Sure. And so we get back to that here.

[Alex Jones]

But here is Congressman Burchett on Newsmax yesterday, being asked about what former Congressman Gates is saying about animal or alien human hybrids and animal hybrids. We know they've made those. The labs, that's human. Animal hybrids, which is alien. It's new. They also made new synthetic life. That's alien. So you think of the definitions here a little bit differently. Think of like the movie in the 90s. Species, they got a radio telescope aimed out at a distant star planetary system, and they get a message in human DNA of what to implant in a female egg, and they do it. And, oh, you just set up a new life form here that's going to attack you.

[Jordan]

Boom.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, Trojan horses, beware. Gifts from the gods, as they're called.

[Jordan]

Yeah, gods.

[Alex Jones]

But the ancients thought they were gods.

[Jordan]

Right?

[Alex Jones]

But they're so to you. Above it all. And God tells us I've marooned this entity and his operatives here. And by the way, you're gonna have to transcend it.

[Jordan]

What a dick.

[Alex Jones]

What an.

[Jordan]

Not my job.

[Alex Jones]

Man populations, other peoples, other species have gone through, been given this incredible free will, godlike little G power that the Bible tells us we have. We're not God, but we have little God power. But you have to be tested and you have to go through this process. Will you destroy yourselves? The technology will use it to suppress each other. Or will you use it to transcend to a higher level? Not at God's level, but God wants you to transcend to the higher heavens. The dimensions, the multivariate systems. So the third dimension is the bottom of physical matter. It's the lowest level that has physical containment, gravity. This is the. This is the playpen. This is the. This is the baby nursery. This is. This is first level.

[Dan]

So very sadly, he does not describe what any of the other dimensions.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I imagine it's tough to know. Yeah, I imagine it's tough to know.

[Dan]

I mean, he's getting so specific about the third that I was like, all right, here we go. He really list them off.

[Jordan]

He really seems to know a lot about the. This third. But also I don't think he knows anything about the third dimension at all.

[Dan]

But let's assume that the third dimension is a playpen.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Now what? Who cares? Well, how do you get out of the playpen if you really do get smart and figure it all out? Do you just pop out of existence in the physical world or do you have to wait until you die while we're talking about it? Who's outside the playpen? Is it other people who figured out and popped out of physical reality? Or is it where you go after you die if you resist the DMT demon's influence? So this is a playpen, but also a research facility and a spiritual test.

[Alex Jones]

Sure.

[Dan]

All of those things would seem to cast us in different roles where people in a playpen are having carefree fun, people in a research facility are probably being experimented on, and people in a spiritual test are being judged for their actions. So you can't really play because if you play, you probably failing the test.

[Jordan]

You know, I was all mutually exclusive. Yeah, yeah. Cuz it's like, cuz it like here's the thing, right? I get what he's saying, but it comes down to the question, does God fart? You know, you think, ah, God doesn't fart. You wouldn't do that. But then you got to go like, farting is funny, Right? Does God think it's evil? Am I evil? It's my body.

[Dan]

It's a byproduct of eating.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Dan]

So does a God eat?

[Jordan]

I don't have to, but he has. And then you get as. You just get bored, you know?

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that there's another question that this kind of thinking raises and that is like, hey, if this is the playpen, why are you here? Alex, you seem to be above all this shit and you know everything and like God talks to you.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So you're kind of Jesus, right?

[Jordan]

It feels like he's more the marooned guy.

[Dan]

Not in his head. So all of that was supposed to be a setup for talking about playing this clip of Burchette Burchett. Yes. And I will tell you that he is. He's just like, oh, if you saw what I saw, you would never sleep. Okay, great, I'm suicidal. No one's gonna kill.

[Jordan]

How is it not your responsibility if aliens are so fucking terrifying and powerful and cool, how is it that you're not your responsibility? You're just a fucking congressperson. You're not that big of a deal. Fucking cares. Throw out all your alien knowledge. What are they going to do? Get in trouble? There are aliens to protect you.

[Dan]

There are. The funny thing too is that he's on. He's doing an interview on some show.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And he starts by saying like, I'm still in Congress so I can't tell you what I saw. Let me tell you, you never sleep at night.

[Jordan]

Fuck off. Yeah, fuck off. Oh my God.

[Dan]

You actually aren't like going to say anything. Yeah, shut the fuck up.

[Jordan]

Shut the fuck up.

[Dan]

Don't tell me how you're not going to kill yourself.

[Jordan]

Even. Even if you're. Yeah, that's. That's crazy. To even say the part if. If you saw what I saw, you would never sleep. Is to admit either you're hiding it from us because you're a coward, or it's not real and you're a liar.

[Dan]

Yeah. And you're just trying to get attention.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that's probably close to what it. The.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Probably more the latter. But also, I would assume he's a coward, too, but he's.

[Dan]

He's implying that there's aliens up in space with crafts and all that. And Alex wants you to know that's.

[Jordan]

Oh, okay.

[Alex Jones]

So here's the Congressman saying just when he got briefed on the show two weeks ago would curl your hair. Now, I know most of what Congress is being given from all my research and sources have been proven to be accurate, like their journalist Daniel List. Bull crap. The idea that there's all these aliens from trillions of miles away just flying around in tin cans doing all this. No, that's not how it happens. You always think of an alien invasion like that. It's a cheesy movie. Came out over a decade ago, but remember Pacific Rim? It's entertaining, though.

[Jordan]

Just say you like the movie. What the is wrong with you?

[Alex Jones]

In spaceships from Mars, they interdimensionally come through a vortex in the core of the Earth, and they're here to terraform and take over our planet. I'm not saying that's real. I'm saying think like that. Okay. That's how this works.

[Dan]

So we should think like Pacific Rim.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would like to just say to Alex, like, I think that you maybe put too much stock into movies and then feel ashamed about how stupid you sound talking about how they're real.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Big stuff's coming. I can feel we're on the cusp of something.

[Dan]

Daniel, thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. I appreciate that you feel the breakthrough.

[Jordan]

Well done, Dan. Well done. So well done.

[Dan]

So, Alex, you know the. The BS is the UFOs and the Ships and that stuff, right?

[Jordan]

It's coming from inside the house.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

The UFOs, that's our stuff, right? We made those ships.

[Jordan]

We're the only people who need to fly, Right? Yeah.

[Dan]

And the demons told us how to make it.

[Jordan]

That's a good point.

[Alex Jones]

From the beginning, all this gray alien, tinker toy, flying saucers flying around, shooting down airplanes and stuff. That's advanced human technology given to them interdimensionally by the Bad guys built. That's why suddenly it's more and more advanced. Suddenly it's these little Tinker toys that are falling. The sky have big problems, but still have amazing big problems.

[Jordan]

Big problems.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, the aliens only have these really advanced ships? No, there are ships. Almost all of them.

[Dan]

Almost.

[Alex Jones]

The real aliens aren't flying around in ships, boys and girls. They've mastered time and space. And I mean mastered it. And those are the angels. And there's the good ones and there's the bad ones. But the good ones will not intervene unless you seek it out and have free will and have the right reason for it. The bad ones, snap your fingers, they'll show up. So don't try it.

[Dan]

I love how Alex had to make that caveat there, where the angels show up. If you use your free will and you have a good reason to ask them something right now, if his listeners pray for an angel to come help them out and nothing happens, they can blame themselves for not having a good enough reason.

[Jordan]

It's a classic Dodge and one of the best.

[Dan]

It's brilliant.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep. If he doesn't solve your problem, it's because you're not pious enough. Definitely not because I am lying to you. Please give me $50.

[Dan]

Now, all of these UFOs. UFOs are ships that demons gave us the specs for.

[Jordan]

Right. Spectral, duh.

[Dan]

Ethereal realm.

[Jordan]

Where I know you think you understand this thing, but actually you don't. It's a lot like what you understand, but it's more and better because I think it. Yeah, it's weird how that works.

[Dan]

So, Bridget, Alex doesn't want to throw him out. You know, like he doesn't want to be like, this guy is evil. He seems like he's probably a good man, all right, but maybe he's just got bad info.

[Jordan]

It's possible.

[Alex Jones]

I think he's a good man, but at the same time, is he being given this information, but remember, from Aliens, Trump is going to go in and look at Fort Knox. Didn't do it. We're gonna release all the Epstein files. Todd Blanche went on TV and said they released them all. They didn't.

[Jordan]

It's a lie.

[Alex Jones]

So it's all about keeping knowledge from the public, saying we can't handle it, when in truth, we have corrupt elites fighting over the technologies and information to control us. But at the higher levels, the shadowy groups above the intelligence agencies and governments, the big corporations that really run it all, that you see evidence by the Epstein files, they know how to get in contact. And it's just like in the Golden Child with Eddie Murphy. From what I've heard basically described by these people is they don't need dmt, drugs, any of it. They just get out their prayer mat, they sit down, and then the walls disappear and they're getting their directives right there.

[Dan]

Do they need the prayer mat? That seems unnecessary.

[Jordan]

That seems more like that pod that Vader was in.

[Dan]

So Alex has heard that devil worshipers can commune with demons just like that Eddie Murphy movie the Golden Child.

[Jordan]

It's really specific how many movies are important. Maybe too many. Maybe. Maybe too many movies are important.

[Dan]

It's excessive on this episode.

[Jordan]

It is quite a few number of movies. Almost as if he's doing a complete abdication of any kind of knowledge of what's going on at all.

[Dan]

I get that Alex is trying to say that maybe Representative Burchett means well, but is being fed disinformation about aliens. But the two examples that Alex uses of disinformation that Trump used in the past are things that he absolutely bought into. Yep. Alex said that Trump was going to release the Epstein files and that he was going to audit Fort Knox. He can put on a little voice and mock the idea of someone buying those ideas, but it doesn't change that he was the one selling them. Alex must have either believed Trump when he said he was gonna release the files and audit the gold, in which case Alex got tricked by an idiot and has the worst instincts on earth.

[Jordan]

True.

[Dan]

Or he knew that was disinformation and decided to sell it to his audience anyway.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Regardless of what the truth is, like, no one has any reason they should take him seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Ever.

[Jordan]

Yeah. If you. I'm not saying that you can't be mad at them because we're all mad at them, but if you are like, I think Trump is a good guy, you no longer get to tell me who you think the corrupt elites are. You are no longer trustworthy.

[Dan]

Now, let me.

[Jordan]

Let me. You should just listen to me when I say somebody is a corrupt elite.

[Dan]

Let me take you a little bit further.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

If you told me that Trump was Daddy and he was home and he was going to spank me.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Shut up.

[Jordan]

You should probably no longer speak anymore.

[Dan]

You have no ground to stand.

[Jordan]

How is Tucker feeling about his spankings?

[Dan]

Yeesh.

[Jordan]

Not good.

[Dan]

Daddy is mean.

[Jordan]

Daddy's mean. Tucker doesn't like to. You know, it's almost as though developing a society based upon a paternalistic point of view is actually a fucking dumb and idiotic thing to do.

[Dan]

Daddy's home and he's pissed. Yeah, he bombed her on.

[Jordan]

Maybe you're an idiot. Maybe you're just an idiot.

[Dan]

So, look, man, enough of the bullshit. We're talking about aliens. Let's get to the real world. Alex has got to get into the war news.

[Jordan]

All right, so let me go over

[Alex Jones]

the war news here.

[Jordan]

War news.

[Alex Jones]

We are seeing more. Let's just say this incorrect information from President Trump. That's a Blackhawk. No, that's a. That's a Blackhawk. Blackhawk. So there's a lot of going on.

[Dan]

That's a Blackhawk.

[Jordan]

That's a Blackhawk.

[Dan]

He's trying to identify a helicopter in a video that someone's playing.

[Jordan]

Why not?

[Dan]

So this is an editorial choice Alex is making where he's resisting saying that Trump is lying. We are seeing more incorrect information from Trump.

[Jordan]

Hmm.

[Dan]

The thing that doesn't make sense to me is that Alex has already said that Trump is lying about this stuff. So I don't get what the upside of playing cute like this is because he's already accused Trump of lying. It just comes off like him trying to hedge his bets and cover for a liar. Yeah, this looks worse than just committing to. Yeah, the fuck this guy is lying about.

[Jordan]

War. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But also, you know what? I'll throw this out there. There's a long tradition of that. There's a long tradition that you never heard, like, no, it's from the wa. Everything's going poorly now. Watch this movie. No, that's not how it worked. No, they gave you, like, everybody's doing great. Give us some more money. Yeah, and then you watch the movie.

[Dan]

Right. And I think that Alex has a long career and a long history of no one, really, like, forcing continuity on him.

[Jordan]

Yeah, there is that.

[Dan]

Like, he doesn't have to deal with anything he said the day before.

[Jordan]

War still going, despite what I said the day before.

[Dan]

Whoops.

[Jordan]

No, it's not.

[Dan]

Tune in tomorrow where there'll be an emergency.

[Jordan]

Oh, man.

[Dan]

So it turns out the war news is mostly about leftists shitting on Alex.

[Jordan]

How about that? What a weird war.

[Alex Jones]

I'm not even here. I don't want Trump to fail. I didn't want Trump. Trump to go sideways. I've seen the leftist talking point. I don't have time to watch a lot of it, but I mean, all over tv, all over the Internet, all the top Internet talk show host, top Internet talk show with millions of viewers are. Alex Jones admits he's wrong. Alex Jones Admits Trump was always bad, and he needs to come out and admit it's his fault. No, we got a lot of good things done with Trump.

[Dan]

Trump

[Alex Jones]

and shut down a lot of your evil agendas and did stop a lot of wars. And now we're horrified that Trump's going sideways like you. You guys are openly evil.

[Dan]

So Alex is getting his stories mixed up because there aren't supposed to be leftists with millions of viewers online. Yeah. Americana populism is supposed to be the only thing that can actually draw a crowd. But I guess Alex wouldn't feel very big or important if he said a bunch of losers with no audience were criticizing him online.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So we're the show that gives Alex unsolicited advice. So I'd like to explain the only way he could have played the current situation and come out ahead. I feel comfortable revealing this now because it's too late, and I don't think he could pull it off anyway.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

For all of his career, Alex has been a guy who's been aggressively opposed to the federal government. And the biggest hurdle that he's been up against is that the government kind of worked pretty well. It got a lot of shit wrong. It served the interests of the rich over the general public, and it waged a lot of war. But in terms of functioning, it was pretty reliable. There's a complacency that comes with that reliability. And most people would be unwilling to rock the boat in a way that fundamentally changed the structure of government. Taking power away from the federal government and giving more to the states because there was more to risk. That's stability.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

There was a very small window where Alex could have come out and said that the last 10 years of his life were an act of desperation, trying to bring in the living embodiment of why federal power can't be allowed to be unchecked. He could cop to lying constantly to promote Trump and explain that it was the only choice he had left to wake up the sheeple. The Iraq war didn't cause a revolution. The banker bailouts didn't cause a revolution. So the only thing that possibly could is actually bringing in a tyrant. He could show remorse, and he could effectively write off any criticism of him from 2015 onward.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anytime anybody said that, like, he should be held responsible for some lie that he told to promote Trump, he could say they were taking him out of context and it was part of a bigger picture. Yep. It would be bullshit, but it would work on some people, and it could give him enough breathing room. To rebrand.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

And it would be a perfect, like, thing for him to go away.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, he could drop a video explaining that, leave for a couple months and come back with a mask.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Or something. I don't know.

[Jordan]

Yep. New dark. Alex.

[Dan]

Yeah. I would never support the dissolution of the federal government because all that would do is abandon people in various states to have their rights and labor protections taken away. But I definitely don't view the position of the federal government the same way that I did in 2017. I think it's more easily and dangerously corruptible than I had previously imagined. And Alex's guy has shown that. I think that if he owned that and pretended that he did it on purpose, he'd probably be able to trick a fair amount of people who are entertaining newer ideas about small government, libertarianism and anarchy into thinking like, oh, this guy. Wow. What a. Whoa.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Had us all fooled. He seemed so on board.

[Jordan]

Yeah. They didn't have the poly market stuff. They didn't have the betting stuff in 2017. Otherwise, I would have fucking cleaned house right now.

[Dan]

Well, they did overseas. Right. Because Barnes was.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dan]

Was doing a lot of.

[Jordan]

I would have cleaned house. Bummer.

[Dan]

You should have talked to Robbie.

[Jordan]

There's just. Yeah. There's just no point in. Yeah. What are you going to do?

[Dan]

But I was thinking about that, and I do think that that's Alex's. That would have worked probably.

[Jordan]

It would have worked enough. It would have worked. You know, it wouldn't have worked on the people it wasn't going to work on anyways.

[Dan]

But neither is this.

[Jordan]

Exactly. This isn't going to work on anybody.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I think that the path that I described.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It has the highest likelihood of possibly finding new customers.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Because I think that you would openly. You'd blow people's minds.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's the only way in to the infowar.

[Jordan]

And people were. Yeah. And you. You can, like, he. He can identify how stupid everybody is already. He can see that they're. They're writing like, oh, Alex finally turns on Trump. Like, who fucking cares? Right. Get them to write some other shit. Get them to write like. Like, Alex was with us the whole time. They'd love that. They'd eat that up.

[Dan]

Yeah. Like, he could try and he could say something around the, like, way of. I have a hundred thousand dhs.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Or whatever. I was playing this all along in order to illustrate to you that this is so close.

[Jordan]

He's even. There's even clips that we. That he could play of him knowing about Trump and all that shit, that he could be like, hey, listen, listen, I warned you about this then. And then I decided. I made a conscious decision to fuck all of you. Cause fuck all of you.

[Dan]

But I did it as an act of going under deep cover in order to save all of you.

[Jordan]

Sure, yeah. The whole thing.

[Dan]

He would be able to, like, have, like, you know, some kind of an act of, like, false contrition.

[Jordan]

It's as believable as anything he did the 10 years before that, so why the fuck not? Yeah, right.

[Dan]

I think it would have sold.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Anyway, everyone's saying that he's ditching Trump because the numbers are down.

[Jordan]

Ooh.

[Alex Jones]

The left is saying that Alex Jones and Tucker Carlson and Megyn Kelly and we're all abandoning Trump because his approval ratings down and we just want to support somebody popular. While I supported Obama, if that was the case. No, we want someone that saves the country and the world. We want someone that reverses the leftist, globalist, satanic policies.

[Dan]

Alex said that Obama had record low approval rating.

[Jordan]

Listen, it doesn't matter, but this actually

[Dan]

gets to a key point. I think that some people would be inclined to say that Alex is ditching Trump because Trump's numbers are down, but that's an oversimplification. Alex is ditching Trump for two reasons. The first is that he's been repeatedly and fundamentally humiliated by Trump in ways that the audience won't ignore anymore. Alex can say Trump is going to release the Epstein files, and then when Trump doesn't, Alex's audience wonders if they're on the same page. Alex can say that Trump isn't gonna attack Iran, but when Trump then attacks Iran, Alex's audience knows damn well that they're not on the same page. The illusion that Alex has any sway over the administration, and by proxy, Alex's audience has any sway over the administration is gone. He's not a useful figurehead for the infowar anymore because he obviously doesn't give a shit about you or any of the things that you pretend to stand for. The second is that Alex probably knows that Trump is about to do some flagrantly bad shit and he needs to prepare to distance him himself from it. He's posting threats on social media to kill the entire civilization of Iran in one night. So it's hard to act like he's not threatening nuclear war, even for Alex. Beyond that, he has to know that if he leaves office, he'll likely die in prison. So we have no idea what could happen if he's Impeached. Or if we get to the 2028 election and he decides that he's not going anywhere, like, Alex is in a position where he has to not be on board by that point.

[Jordan]

Here's. I'll tell you this. Polymarket is not allowing you to write down end of American democracy in 2028.

[Dan]

Interesting.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I'm really pissed off about that one, because I would clean house.

[Dan]

Right. And I think that Alex knows, like, based on what's happening, that he needs to be in the White House or away from it when the point of no return comes.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And it's growing ever closer and he's not getting in the door.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yep.

[Dan]

A lot of the shit that Trump did up till now has been kind of fun for Alex because there was a plausible counterweight in the form of the Democrats and the ghost of the Constitution. Now it's not fun because there doesn't appear to be any power within the United States that can check Trump. So the only thing that could do that seems to be a power outside of the United States. And that means war.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And Alex doesn't want to be on the side of America in a war. Right. He doesn't want to be on the side against America.

[Jordan]

Right. Yeah.

[Dan]

None of Trump's actions have been deal breakers for Alex, though. This is important to understand. He was fine going along with covering up Epstein, overthrowing Maduro, and he would have been fine with bombing Iran if it had not gone poorly.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

His change in tone is caused by feedback and negative reaction to the stuff Trump is doing. But the approval rating is the wrong metric to act like he cares about. It's the pill sales.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

They can't. He can't maintain the audience and keep up with Trump.

[Alex Jones]

That's.

[Jordan]

Yep. Money. It's money. The idea. I mean, I, like, I was thinking about this in the context of. Of the protests, which are delightful, but they're. If you're not fucking with their money, they don't care. Like, that's just the. That, like, no matter how loud and, like, we're all there, if you're not fucking with their money, they're not. They don't care.

[Dan]

I think in a lot of cases, that's probably true.

[Jordan]

That's. That's, like. That's a. That's the message, you know, and to

[Dan]

be clear with Alex, it's. It's money and, like, analogs of money.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

So, like, Twitter attention and that kind of stuff that sort of vaguely translates to money is kind of in the

[Jordan]

same Powers, money, you know that all of those things, all of that influence is what money is in a way.

[Dan]

And Trump's fucking with that now.

[Jordan]

Trump is really fucking with that.

[Dan]

Yeah. He's positioned Alex in a place where he can't really move forward with him.

[Jordan]

I mean, but I just, I, I can't, I can't do it anymore. How do these people still do it? How is it that you've still got that, that template around that like, I would just hang on to it if I was a journalist. I would hang on to the Alex turns on Trump template and just have a mad libs for whatever's going on that day. Right. Like, how do you not go, alex is lying again. He'll change his mind in a few years. Don't trust this motherfucker.

[Dan]

Right, Right. The headline should be. Yeah, like it doesn't matter or there should be a headline.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

There's, this is nothing meaningless. These people, they're saying is meaningless. What's happening today is meaningless.

[Dan]

It's so appealing to have the, like delight in what appears to be like, of course, meaningful downfall.

[Jordan]

Of course.

[Dan]

But it's not meaningful.

[Jordan]

It is not meaningful. And what you are getting is empty, awful calories.

[Dan]

Yeah. And you know, you were saying it's all about money and kind of Tucker

[Alex Jones]

has done what he's done out of a feeling of responsibility. Not for clicks, not for access. Tucker isn't speaking out against the President because that's popular. Leftists don't buy anything. They don't buy your nicotine pouches, they don't buy your supplements. The left's not my audience. I'm not catering to them. I cater to the truth. I don't cater to, quote, right wing or anything. I just go, what's the most accurate thing? How do I get it right? And I say it.

[Dan]

That accidental reveal almost makes you feel bad. It's easy to claim that you don't cater to a specific audience in order to sell stuff. But that image is hard to maintain when you demonstrate that you're clearly aware that you're only able to sell stuff to the side that you weirdly always take.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex and Tucker know that they aren't going to pick up any left leaning customers, which is why they have to chase the right wing audience who are increasingly done with Trump.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And they need to follow wherever these people go and pretend that they're leading them.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is, it is wild to, to like really dig into how many of these people think that they're the ones who are like the thought leaders and all that shit. And reality is like they just chase after what a bunch of people are thinking. Yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

And you know, maybe there are contributions they make in terms of thought leadership,

[Jordan]

but regurgitating stuff from the smaller people into the larger mainstream. Really?

[Dan]

Well, with a bullhorn.

[Jordan]

Exactly.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex talks a little bit about the radio. Sure. And how these, these big radio networks, they are owned by Israel.

[Alex Jones]

They're the ones that are influencers. They're the ones that get paid to say what they say. And by the way, it's on the right wing too. You know, coming up, there was huge criticism by the Salem media company. It's powerful talk radio block and multimedia. They got some good hosts on there. I'm not going to say they're all bad guys. They're on there. But they've been calling Carlson Katarlson and saying he's a foreign agent, should be put in prison. Bunch of them. And it turns out that Salem, I knew this 20 years ago, but specifically. And the director of it, all of them are on huge contracts to the Israeli government. Sure. And Israel said six months ago, we're going to increase our funding in the US the eight front war to pay for propaganda. So there they are calling Tucker a foreign agent. And they call me that and all this other ridiculous crap. And you're literally Salem. And I've got all the documents here.

[Dan]

So I don't know what it even means to like be on the Israeli payroll anymore. But it's no secret that Salem Media has a relationship with the state of Israel. They've organized annual Stand with Israel tours since 2015. The 2015 tour was a 10 day trip. It was headlined by radio host Mike Gallagher and Joe Piscopo. None of this is at all shocking or even really that scandalous. It was reported on about six months ago that Salem had filed with Fara because they had accepted $6 million from the Israeli government. But it's important to understand what happened here and the fact that we know this because they filed with the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

[Jordan]

There is that.

[Dan]

So Salem's chief strategy officer was Brad Parscale, who was Trump's head of digital operations during the 2016 election and then campaign manager in 2020. Pascali was the person who got the $6 million from the Israeli government, who registered with Farah because he's on the executive. He's an executive at the media organization who's being paid by a foreign government to advocate for their interests.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

It's not controversial or news to say that Salem Media has a relationship with Israel. But the particular news Alex is talking about is a story about one of Trump's very close associates from back in the time when Trump was supposed to have been cool.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Who's the one who took the money?

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Alex doesn't like Salem because they didn't syndicate his show back in the day, but also because he thinks that Mark Levin works for them. He doesn't realize that Levin's on Westwood One, which is owned by Cumulus, who also didn't syndicate out.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

But I understand why he'd be better.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. I mean, listen, I feel. I feel like we're in a. We're in a too old to begin the training kind of situation. Right. Like, if you're trying to tell me about corporations controlling syndicated media as a problem now, fucking too late, buddy. Too late. We're, we're way past when you should have noticed that.

[Dan]

Yeah. I tried to protest back in the days of Jack fm.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, buddy. It's. It's that. That ship sailed.

[Dan]

Yep. I mourned the death of radio. Alex killed it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Dan]

So, Alex, you know, there's a lot of people who are saying that, like, you're only turning on Trump because you care about money.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And that's true.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

But then Alex interprets care about money in a way that makes it not true.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

And it is horrifying that that is happening. This is openly going on. And when I say this, people say, oh, you just care about money. What does that mean?

[Jordan]

What does that mean?

[Alex Jones]

The globalists know we're on the edge of bankruptcy as a country. They want us to go into the great reset like a third world country under their control. Trump has a great recovery plan that is. Has a great shot of turning around, but not if you close the straight of Hormuz, as we warned over a year ago. And now it's done it. And it's creating a shockwave that most economists think will already mess up Trump's recovery currently. But if it keeps going, for sure, it's about economic bondage. Economic freedom is about economic mobility. You know the old song I Owe My Soul to company Store. Whether you were a sharecropper in Alabama or East Texas, or whether you were in West Virginia, a coal miner, you had to live basically on a company rented shack. You had to buy your food from the company store as part of your contract back so they could gouge you and everything else. And that's how they controlled you. It's slavery by another name, indentured servitude.

[Jordan]

And that's why I hate communism.

[Alex Jones]

That's why. Yeah, I'm worried about the money, about our country going bankrupt. And that's why, with horror. I didn't want to criticize Trump too much. I mean, I'd say the bad stuff he was doing to get him to crack. Correct. Because I was looking at all the good stuff and saying, you know, we've gotta keep that going. It's night and day, the Democrats.

[Dan]

This is classic weenie stuff.

[Jordan]

Yeah, this is very weenie.

[Dan]

So Alex is intentionally conflating two types of caring about money. One is wanting everyone to have more economic freedom, which is a nice concern to have. Alex has the other kind though, which is that he knows that no one on the left buys his shit. So if he doesn't get his act together and, and find some new way to entertain the avant garde Nazis on social media, he's gonna go broke.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

Company stores are a bad idea and mostly only thrived in the period before people had wider access to cars, so they couldn't really get anywhere else to shop anyway. But there's no reason that Alex should be against them. If he loves the free market, then who's the government to say that a company can't offer their employees credit at their stores that can come out of their paycheck? This is a free arrangement between individuals.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I know it sounds kinda crazy to say that companies should be allowed to pay their employees in special fake money that's only good at their stores, but Alex is a firm believer in a person's right to enter whatever contract they want. That's why there shouldn't be a minimum wage, because it makes it illegal for someone to offer their labor to someone for cheaper than the minimum. It kills competition. If an employee agrees to do a job that pays in monopoly money, they must be doing that because it's in their self interest to do it. Just like the person who would accept a job for 75 cents an hour.

[Jordan]

Sounds true.

[Dan]

Company stores are a great example of how the free market doesn't actually exist because exploitation is always a factor. And they illustrate how unless people can collectively bargain, labor always has a disadvantageous position compared to the owner. And also, Alex is in favor of like Elon Musk owning Mars bases.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Do you think there's going to be a lot of diversity and competition in commerce in moon bases and Mars bases?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is, this is the thing that's going to happen and it's Going to be the worst and most annoying thing that happens in the next year. And then after that, people will go back to doing what they do.

[Alex Jones]

You.

[Jordan]

But, like, the, The. I'm turning on Trump, but I am not at all changing anything that I believe ideologically, whatsoever.

[Dan]

I was totally right the whole time.

[Jordan]

I was totally right. Now it's bad, but that's not my fault. I was still right. I was always right. Now, I admit, right now, things aren't good. So I'm with you, but then the moment I can't. The moment I get the chance to not be with you, I'm gone. This is bullshit.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

It's the most annoying bullshit ever.

[Dan]

I mean, it's just. It's just a different flavor of that Glenn Beck apology to her that people fell for.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I don't think anyone's going to fall for Alex's version of it. No, I think there's going to be

[Jordan]

a lot of versions.

[Dan]

Some people could be more successful than others.

[Jordan]

There are going to be a lot of people who are successful.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

So Trump, you know, he's. He said some things. Sure. And maybe one of them was really bad.

[Alex Jones]

Oh, I got to get really mad at Trump. I got to get on his ass, and I got to get my huge audience of activists who I know agree with me. The audience is wanting me to push harder, and I agree, because letting Trump continue down this road is not good. And then statements like, well, we know we can't help fund Medicare and Medicaid anymore. We got to worry about war. And then they. The new budget cuts, a bunch of that because it's got to go to the war

[Jordan]

shock.

[Alex Jones]

Well, we should get rid of Medicare, Medicaid. It is communist. Yeah. But you got to wean people off. And it's political.

[Jordan]

What that.

[Alex Jones]

And if we're going to give trillions of these wars and crap, we can give billions to old people. And I mean, you know, cut the illegal aliens off off. But, you know, we got a bunch of people don't know how to take care of themselves or they're old and sick and disabled. We'll get to them last. We'll phase it out. We'll probably not. You don't. You don't cut that off. Plus you lose the midterm.

[Dan]

Saying that this is simultaneously desperate and refreshingly honest. The GOP always wants to cut social welfare spending and increase war budgets, but everyone knows that Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security are incredibly popular and are keeping much of the country alive. So it's Very taboo to just come out and admit that you want to slash it. The GOP relies on a lot of voters who are on the older side, and there's a lot of polling about how they care a lot about these programs not being destroyed. So it's always been considered kind of political suicide to just say it.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

They all. They all have to lie about their intentions because they know that they would lose a ton of support if they told people what they're actually voting for.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

On a very basic level, Alex is acknowledging that the only way the political positions he wants are going to win in an election is if they lie about what they want to do.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that's true. I think he's right.

[Jordan]

It is nice of him to remind us because it's very hard for us to understand and remember this because they're very good at what they do. But everybody voting in election wants the exact same thing.

[Dan]

There's a lot more overlap than people think.

[Jordan]

Tons of overlap. It is just whose bullshit you are buying at any given point in time. And that's. That's kind of.

[Dan]

That's a big part. That's at least a swing, you know, of it. Yep.

[Jordan]

You know what? I. I've got to go ahead and say, fuck them. Fuck you. Yeah. Get rid of Medicare, Medicaid. Get rid of all of it. You guys earned it. Too bad.

[Alex Jones]

Bad.

[Jordan]

Too bad. This is your daddy talking.

[Dan]

Well, but also.

[Jordan]

Time to spank you.

[Dan]

But also, like, Alex, can't he. He can't be like, we'll phase it out. I'm principally opposed to this. This is communism.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I want to destroy it. But we.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What are you talking people off?

[Jordan]

That's bullshit. Yeah. That's cowardly bullshit.

[Dan]

Yeah. How dare you own the position.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. I want to get. I'm. Now. I want to get rid of it. Because you don't want to. I want it gone now.

[Dan]

Yeah. I think that Alex a little bit less willing to, you know, stake things that are very, very unpopular since the Ron Paul days.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

Like, Ron Paul, God bless him, said

[Jordan]

a number of unpopular. Shit. Hell. Yeah.

[Dan]

He advocated for a lot of positions that were like, well, that's just crazy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That'll kill a lot of people.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Well, you know what? Fuck them.

[Dan]

Yeah. On principle.

[Jordan]

Here we are now. We're here.

[Dan]

So I would ask you to imagine, bring into your head the picture of Trump as a horse.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex Jones]

I don't like calling Trump a liar. I have fought, I have paid. I have been through hell. And we've gotten so much done with him, but he's going sideways. And it'd be like a horse you had for 10 years, your favorite horse. You're into horses. Sweet horse, smart horse, fun horse. Feed it carrots, feed it apples. And then one day you're sitting there brushing it, and the horse just turns around and bites you right on the nose and bites half your nose off. Horses do that, and you're just sitting there with blood pouring out. You don't kill the horse, you just sell it. Well, Trump's an important horse because he can destroy the world.

[Jordan]

What?

[Alex Jones]

And so he just basically bit us for no reason.

[Dan]

So the problem with his metaphor is that the only reason Trump was their favorite horse was that he was biting people constantly. And they thought it was funny to watch people get bit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

For years the horse biting people wasn't an issue, but now they got bit, and all of a sudden horses biting people is something that needs to be taken very seriously.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Oh, no, my nose. You have a biting horse.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You love it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yep. So let's see. Let's take the count on previous Republican presidents who have lied us into a war. Uh, we got that one. We got the one before that. We got the one before that. The one before that. Two of them and the one before that.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Jordan]

So five for five, right?

[Dan]

Five.

[Jordan]

Two of them are in the same family.

[Dan]

Five for fighting.

[Jordan]

Five for. Yeah, there we go. Five. Five for five dollars. Footlong. No.

[Dan]

So Alex has finally had enough. Trump is saying that he's going to get rid of Medicare before the midterms.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Totally destroying the Republicans chances of winning.

[Jordan]

Oh, no.

[Dan]

So he must have dementia.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Dan]

Go.

[Alex Jones]

Trump requests 1.5 trillion for military spending and says, sorry, can't help with Medicare and Medicaid. If you're going to do that, then at least don't say it.

[Jordan]

Oh, yay.

[Alex Jones]

No, it's what he calls not caring is what I call early onset dementia.

[Dan]

All of a sudden, Trump's straight shooting is a sign of dementia. I thought part of the allure he had as a politician is he told it like it is. Like when? Then he said he knew that Hillary was corrupt because he paid her off in New York. That wasn't dementia. That was just a guy cutting through the bullshit. But now he's accurately articulating the right wing position on government spending. And Alex thinks he's got dementia all of a sudden.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And again, Alex's problem isn't that Trump is increasing military spending and cutting social welfare programs. The problem is that he's saying it out loud.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

The media surrogates are supposed to have plausible deniability about this stuff because. Because war is super unpopular and Social Security is super popular. It's really, really funny to realize that at the end of the day, he just wants Trump to be more presidential.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Just be a fucking politician guy.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

We voted for. As a protest candidate.

[Jordan]

Just lie to us, tell us it's going to be all right while you steal and rob us all blind. That's what we want. We want to be feeling comfortable while you fucking rob us.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That's all we want.

[Dan]

What you're doing is too difficult for us to work with as talk show hosts.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

You don't have any real accountability left. You don't really have to ever have an election again. Nope. You're never gonna get impeached. And you can probably.

[Jordan]

God, I hope they try. That would be interesting. That would be the funniest day.

[Dan]

But, like, he's apparently just gonna be rich forever. But someone like Alex, he actually like. Like, you know, eventually that money is going to run up. You know, he needs to. He needs public approval and he can't spin. We're going to put all of your medication money into a war. He can't do that.

[Jordan]

No. That's usually not going to be popular.

[Dan]

It sucks.

[Jordan]

I think we should actually shoot him into space. Like, and I mean this. I mean this genuinely. I think it is a good idea for us to shoot. I put him into a rocket with whatever life support you want. I don't give a shit. And just fire it into space. That way there's a symbol that no one can ever do this shit again. Otherwise we'll fire you into space.

[Dan]

Send him to Mars and tell him he gets to be the Elon.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. It's all yours, buddy. Land as nice as you like.

[Dan]

Well, I think that that's costly and I should. That, you know, it's a difficult thing to pull off.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And Alex has a counter suggestion, which is that, you know, Trump should probably just take a day off. Take a little me day.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Maybe pray a little bit.

[Jordan]

Maybe pray a little.

[Alex Jones]

When I've been working two or three days time to pray at 50 something. I feel like I got. You know, I'm kind of like. And people. My family said, do you remember what you did last night? Wouldn't be something bad, but I'd like, say something or do something. I don't remember that. No drinking, no nothing. Just exhausted work 20 hours. Do not make good decisions when I've been working 20 hours. He's 79. He's Superman. Nobody's not saying he's got a personal nuclear reactor running him, but he ain't Superman in the real world. I mean, you call him Superman, but not really Superman. Trump should really take a few days off and just pray and just think about this. Pray for President Trump. And I'm dead serious when I say

[Jordan]

that

[Alex Jones]

because we had repudiated the left, there's a global awakening, Populism is winning. We're in the fourth turning great things are happening. And I want to salvage Trump. I'm going to criticize him, I'm going to give it to him with both barrels. But it's from a place of love for all of us, including him. These people that were never Trumpers and said, damn, Trump, screwed Trump. I hate Trump. Put Trump in prison. That's all his best buddies now. Yeah, we're running out of fertilizer, folks.

[Dan]

Who cares? If you want to salvage Trump, why, why do you want to. This is nonsense.

[Jordan]

Just fucking, for God's sakes, everybody get into the Oval Office, shut the doors, in the windows, hit him in the head with a paperweight and then call, oh, he's sick. And then just. We move on with our fucking lives. Everybody will go, oh, thank God. And then we'll go. We'll just go. You can go back to being a piece of shit who's racist and all that shit. We just gotta start from some. Which is hit him in the head with a paperweight. It's something.

[Dan]

I mean, it's cheaper than the space shuttle, right? More expensive probably, than the prayer.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's definitely true.

[Dan]

So Alex is still the most fiscally responsible.

[Jordan]

Yeah. And the White House, the paperweights are going to be, you know, they're not just like a snow globe somebody bought from the airport.

[Dan]

No, you have to replace it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Might be an antique.

[Jordan]

It's probably got George Washington's fingerprints on

[Dan]

it, which you could frame him. I mean, if you got that fingerprint on, I think.

[Jordan]

I think, honestly, you should have to hit him with something with like an artifact from the Founding Fathers. Like, this is George Washington's sword. We are using it to fucking prune the Tree of Liberty, for fuck's sake.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Who would you use?

[Jordan]

The problem is nobody killed King George. That should have been how the revolution ended. And then we keep something as a memento.

[Dan]

Yeah, that, that. I mean, it would strike a certain amount of fear, I think.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah. No kings. I mean it. I fucking mean, no.

[Dan]

Kings, my man, we'd never wash the blade.

[Jordan]

No, we keep it there.

[Dan]

So look, we're joking around here about, about killing kings and what have you. But Alex, he, he's talking about, you know, the idea of ground troops in Iran, right? And he reads a headline that is. His take on it is deeply disturbing.

[Alex Jones]

Iran beefs up defenses, recruits children as prepares for ground war. And idiots go, oh, kids

[Dan]

you think

[Alex Jones]

of, you think a 12 year old, 13 year old with a grenade launcher soldier and a machine gun that's trained on it is they're worse than adults historically because they just are fearless. Child soldiers are nothing to turn your nose up on. But people who don't study war think it's a joke.

[Dan]

I think Alex says the wrong take on child soldiers.

[Jordan]

Does he think, when does he think. I think it's a joke in the sense like, ha, ha ha. Can you believe this child would have a good gun?

[Dan]

Yeah, we could, we could. Any adult could beat a child if they both have a gun.

[Jordan]

I think he really does not understand how we feel about child soldiers generally.

[Dan]

And he's like the guy who would do save the children rallies and all that shit. Like, he shouldn't be arguing on the axis of. Should you be afraid of child soldiers?

[Jordan]

Fear those fuckers. Those people don't even give a shit, man. You and I are afraid of mortality. They don't know it exists.

[Dan]

Yeah, yeah, he should be disgusted just by the fact that this exists. That's a, that's a prospect.

[Jordan]

As opposed to being like, here's what you've missed. You think it's funny. Those are super soldiers. You are Kurt rustling your ass out there if you think this is going to go okay.

[Dan]

Children don't have a governor. They don't know when to stop.

[Jordan]

They have no souls.

[Dan]

Man, what a wild episode. Fucked up, asshole.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

So Trump, he said that shit about Medicare and all the war economy and stuff. He said some other things too, that Alex is having a tough time with.

[Alex Jones]

All right, I got a thousand data points times a thousand, but let's just. You're smart too. Come on. Trump is actually the president right now, but if you can influence him, you get him to do bad things. Even said yesterday, you know, I have evil people can manipulate me and God, you're evil. And you're. He's like, you know, you're evil as shit, but then you suck my weenie. Sorry. He didn't really say, you know what I mean? Metaphysically. So sorry. Get the clip. Clip 31 yesterday. It doesn't sound real. And I'm on the show saying, Trump is influenced by evil people. He can be manipulated. They go. They go, boss, you didn't look at your full list. We put. I didn't even see the clip. They go, he says that. I said, who's he saying it to? And they go, we think it's Levin, which it was Levin. Later we learned. And it's just like Twilight Zone music is queued in my head. I love people who are nice to me, even if they're bad people. I'll do anything for them.

[Jordan]

It is the most perfect reference. It should be Twilight Zone music you're hearing. You are hearing the music of be careful what you wish. That's like 40% of all Twilight Zone episodes is just, hey, I bet you wish for this thing. And now you wish you hadn't.

[Dan]

Yeah, it's the fantasy island now. You're now getting treated by Trump treats, everyone.

[Jordan]

Now you figured it out. Congratulations.

[Dan]

He's run out of other people to spank with his belt because he's angry now.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

Yeah, I think that is right up there with. I like to hang out with losers.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Bad people who are nice to me. I love being around them.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

They can get me to do anything.

[Jordan]

He might as well just be like, hey, you gotta give it up to the Somali pirates. Hey.

[Dan]

One of my dear, dear friends is Roger Stone and Jeffrey Epstein, because they were nice to me. They're pieces of shit, but they were real nice to me.

[Jordan]

Oh, man, can you believe people thought he was. Oh, boy.

[Dan]

Good times.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So Alex comes back from break and he's feeling honest.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And it's. It's an honest mood where he talks about honesty.

[Alex Jones]

All the listeners and viewers who I respect and I appreciate to know you got a 100% commitment from me to tell you exactly what I think, think the truth is and nothing else. But I don't do it for you. I do it for God. When I tell the truth in my soul, I feel warm and good and close to God. When I even War games. Sometimes is it best not to say this for the greater good in justifies the means. I feel the Holy Spirit start pulling away a little bit and I'm like, oh, no. Just do what's right. That's the most sophisticated thing. Don't think about what it's going to do. Doing the right thing's always the right thing. May not be at the moment maybe painful, but in the end it's the right thing to do and things turn out Better if you do. I hate it. I've not done a good job today. Done a good job covering the news, about to hit the real stuff here.

[Jordan]

I hate him so much, but plus,

[Alex Jones]

if I plug once an hour to a good plug, we have money to run the operation.

[Dan]

Oh, boy. You said he hated way too early. You didn't know another haymaker was coming.

[Jordan]

Wow. That was a one, two.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Damn. Wow.

[Dan]

So the point Alex is trying to make is that he's always honest and he doesn't do that strategic communication stuff.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dan]

God would literally make him feel bad if he pretended to have one position because he knew that his real position was unpopular. Yeah, but repeatedly on this same episode, he's complained about Trump being too honest about his desire to cut Medicare.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So, like, what is it, dude?

[Jordan]

Do as Trump does and not as I say.

[Dan]

Wait.

[Jordan]

Hmm. Or. Yep, actually, that one does make more sense. Yeah.

[Dan]

I think this is stupid.

[Jordan]

It's bad.

[Dan]

Pretty nakedly manipulative, the idea of him.

[Jordan]

I mean, see, this is the problem with any kind of cosmic entity. Whatever you believe they are or are not capable of, if there is something that exists out there with the probability of destruction via blasphemy, this dude's gone.

[Dan]

Well, sure, but I think that, you know, that maybe this divine force doesn't intervene, and they're just sitting up there like, holy shit, when he dies, it's gonna be bad.

[Jordan]

But do you see?

[Dan]

You know, like, maybe it's a waiting thing, right?

[Jordan]

But with this. With a guy like this, this not intervening is the intervening. You know what I mean? Not getting this guy out of our. Our hair is saying, check this out. See what happens with this fucker. You know? So that's. That's the problem with cosmic entities.

[Dan]

Arguably. You could flip this around and say that not smiting him is a test of your faith.

[Jordan]

Is a test of my faith.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

Because you have to live in a world where this guy doesn't have cosmic consequences.

[Jordan]

Sure, sure.

[Dan]

Maybe.

[Jordan]

Yeah, sure.

[Dan]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

That works.

[Dan]

So Alex realizes that Pam Bondi has been fired as the Attorney General, and the acting Attorney General is his arch nemesis.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

I'm gonna skip past that clip. It's uneventful and he's just disappointed.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that'll happen. Oh, sorry. I just. I just thought of the Book of Job. Like, the idea of the Book of Job being me. Not getting tortured or anything like that. No, no death or anything. I just have to watch this fucker be fine. That is torture. That's a solid torture.

[Dan]

It's pretty close to your life.

[Jordan]

Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Well done. Well done. Ironic God.

[Dan]

So ironic God is another twist for you.

[Jordan]

All right.

[Dan]

I thought it was a little bit suspicious, Alex bringing up like this Gilgamesh stuff and all this nonsense and talk for two hours about the creation of man.

[Jordan]

Seems strange.

[Dan]

It turns out this is just more brokered programming.

[Jordan]

Oh, fuck. Of course it is.

[Dan]

It's just Dark journal.

[Jordan]

Son of a bitch. God damn it.

[Dan]

So Dark Journalist is on, and he clearly sent Alex these things.

[Jordan]

Talking points.

[Dan]

Yeah. So Alex has, like, sort of seeded the field for the crops to grow. Now that Dark Journalist is here. But I think that Alex really doesn't like him. And it's pretty funny.

[Alex Jones]

But I'll tell you a story now I haven't told was right before J6, like a month before, we have a rally. Half a million people march the day before it or so I'm walking down the street to go to a restaurant with my wife and crew. And I'm not somebody that ever really has fear since I've been adult. And there's like a black SUV 50 yards ahead, and three or four people come out in, like, black trench coats. And I'm walking 50 yards. You're getting closer as they're talking. And I've never had palpable fear. Shoved me back. My wife wasn't paying attention. The security guys were like. Like, I revolted in fear. And I looked at these people as they got in the car and they were like, I'm not people. I swear to God. This is true. Never told a story. Like, look like professional basketball players, but they were like seven feet tall. The biggest was like seven feet. I was like six of them. And I looked. They literally had, like, vampire ears, white skin, and the guy turned like a pig nut those. And he. He had this. He had a. He had a, you know. You know, classic hat on, whatever gangster had. And they look and duck into the car, and I was, like, frozen. My wife's like, what's going on? That's a true story. Like, it literally hit me like, I felt like revolving. I was scared. That's a true story. So the only time I saw anything like Men in Black was in D.C. broad daylight. Swear to God, I saw side.

[Dark Journalist]

It's interesting how it's like a reality disruption. Also the fear and the energy thing that you're talking about.

[Dan]

So Dark journalist talks for a little bit, and then Alex keeps interrupting him, like, yeah, but what about the guys I saw?

[Jordan]

Yeah, come on, play, Play.

[Dan]

The game Play With Me, Dark Journalist even explains, like, this group of people who looked kind of vaguely like Asians, who are shorter. And they are the people that are often considered to be the Men in black. And Alex, like, what about my guys?

[Jordan]

They're tall. Play with me. Play with me. Play with me. I'm a big child. Play with me. I'm. I'm allowing you here.

[Dan]

And Dark Journalist is doing basically everything right, except two things. One, he's not playing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And then two, he's saying. No question about it. To every single thing. Alex says.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

And I think he's getting annoyed.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think Alex is very annoyed with this guy.

[Jordan]

That's. That's annoying.

[Dan]

Yeah. Yeah. So Dark Journalist believes that many of these people, like Representative Burchett and some of these other folks who are coming out and talking about UFOs, there may be a limited hangout.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dark Journalist]

This is part of a program, too. When things start to get hot and heavy, you look at people like Burchett, Burleson and Luna. They've all been brought forward as the UFO people. Right. For some reason, they're congressional people who talk about UFOs. Now, there's no real interesting reason in the background why they should. But even Gates was in that program as well. There's something in that loop. I know there's a Florida connection because Rubio also talked about the UFO file. So there's something in the root of all this where they're trying to say. Something in the background is saying there's a whole wave of this technology that's coming in. We're gonna reveal.

[Alex Jones]

And Vance is positioning himself as that.

[Dark Journalist]

He is. There's no question about it. He's supposed to be the first. Who's the one who can talk openly about it to a new generation. And the only thing I think is fascinating about what he's doing is calling it a demon. You see, if you're a VP and you call a UFOs demons, you are really, you know, that is a totally. Think about national security. It's taking this guy's idea. Where is he coming from? By saying UFOs are demons. You know, so when I think about, you know, that's.

[Jordan]

Wait, what?

[Alex Jones]

That's been War Game. That's been planned. So in your opinion, why is he doing that?

[Dark Journalist]

I think what they're trying to do, they're going to reveal UFOs, and they want to take the Christian audience, which is generally will look at this and say. Say, you know, it's outside of Christian purview with the UFO file. But that's not actually true. But that's how they view it. And they say we're going to be able to pull this in by saying, hey, they're interdimensional devils. We'll just pull them in this way. And that's how they're a threat. And therefore we have a war office. We're fighting demons.

[Dan]

Alex believes that they're interdimensional demons.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

One of them attacked Tucker in his sleep.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

What the fuck is going on?

[Jordan]

We're at cross purposes here. Yes. I mean I appreciate your fucking hard sci fi nerdy bullshit. I respect that, that's great. But you gotta understand we're working in a. An also ethereal, kind of more sandboxy kind of sci fi with the high with the heavy fantasy element.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

We're more. Ya.

[Dan]

Do you understand what I'm saying?

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Vampires.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. Yeah.

[Dan]

I think that this is the third reason Alex does not like dark journalist. Which is I think, I think there's something in his terms.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That are. I'm not into religion and I think that maybe people who have religious beliefs are dumb.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah, yeah, he's, he's exactly saying that we have to trick the rubes. He's. We're. We're using him as a front piece to trick the rubes into accepting that demons are actually aliens and it's totally fine to be a Christian and so forth.

[Dan]

Have a war on the aliens who are demons.

[Jordan]

Well, yeah.

[Dan]

J.D. vance is the limited hangout aspect of this. That's normalizing this within like Christian ideas. Which is what Alex is doing too.

[Jordan]

Right. Right.

[Dan]

Oops. So Alex asks him like, all right, man, who are the alien groups?

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I know there's like bug people.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And all that.

[Jordan]

Spider beings.

[Dan]

Who do we got?

[Alex Jones]

All right, let me ask you this. From your research, not getting the speculation, but just generally what's thought because you have all these whistleblowers on talk shows. Oh, I met with the reptoid. I met with the. But they threatened to kill me. But I'm. It's obviously fake. You can see it. But looking at this versus interdimensional versus visitors versus whatever, what are the known. Like who do we. Who is it supposedly Eisenhower met with or. Or what is it?

[Dark Journalist]

Well, I think you, you have off world visitors there. I don't think there's any question about that. But at the same time, if you go deep into it, you're going to find the Atlantean explanation for so Much.

[Alex Jones]

I agree with you that it is actually a real breakaway civilization. The globalists say they're gonna read high tech reservations, keep us like animals at an agrarian level and that the earth will just be like a nature preserve, as Jeff Bezos said. Well, that already happened. I agree. They're humanoid. Whatever. It's breakaway humans. That's what most people I talk to say it is that basically are now use us as a form of entertainment or body parts. Or they still need the old to control the new. Or there's some fetish keeping us around that this isn't. That this isn't aliens. This is, this is what we hear about with all the ancient cultures, you know, you know, going back to all the ancient texts. Is that what you're saying?

[Dan]

I hope that it comes through in this. But he really is, he hates this guy.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like he lets him talk for a couple seconds and then he's like, fuck this, I'm going to talk.

[Jordan]

You are so boring. You are so boring. You are so boring. You're so boring. Bored. I am am bored by you.

[Dan]

Yes.

[Jordan]

Woo. Boring.

[Dan]

It's. It's a great energy.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's.

[Dan]

It's Marty Schaechter levels of resentment that Alex is feeling here.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it is, it is like you had to have had to pay extra to keep Alex there. There are two, there's two packages. There's the. Alex gets to go home for a couple hours and you get to run things and you know it won't be as successful. And then there's the. You get to force Alex to listen to fucking anything.

[Dan]

I would, I would suggest that maybe even another level is that Alex, you're talking to him for two hours at the end of the show.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He uses a lot of time at the beginning of the show he did

[Jordan]

set up for you.

[Dan]

He's interested in the things that you're going to talk about.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Dan]

Because I noticed that he start like he shoehorns in Gilgamesh out of, out of nowhere. Like it, it's not, it's so obvious that it's an email that dark journalists sent him.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dark Journalist]

When I talked to him he said, well, it's nothing at all. Like we understand because when the people get abducted in these experiences, they go through things. It's not like they get put into a ship and grabbed and dragged along. They get, they go through walls. So there's a whole different dynamics. There's a whole different physics that's involved here. This is the Apotheum. This is the Physical reality distortion. Physics that goes along with this, that's the problem.

[Alex Jones]

But this goes back to the Epic of Gilgamesh, Samaria. It all describ this. So does the Old Testament, so the Egyptians. So you hear all this new stuff, but it's in all the ancient texts. So clearly this isn't just modern propaganda. They're trying to spin it. There's something else going on.

[Dark Journalist]

There's no question about it. And no, this phenomena has been with us since the beginning of time. There's no question about that. This goes all the way back to the Mayans and the Egyptians. I'm glad you mentioned Gilgamesh, because that is actually the original Noah's Ark store.

[Dan]

Oh, what a shock that you brought up this thing that I told you to bring up.

[Jordan]

What a two man game we're running. It sounded so natural how you brought up that thing. You shoehorned it into the conversation and now I can get to talk about it.

[Dan]

God, man, it's bad.

[Alex Jones]

Wow.

[Dan]

Bad chemistry.

[Jordan]

How is it possible? How do people watch that? You know, it's like. It's like when you see Mr.

[Dan]

Beast and you say Mr. Bean.

[Jordan]

Mr. Bean. A font of charisma. Mr. Beast is like an empty sock where anything that resembling a human being should go. And yet people watch him. I don't understand it. Right. This is insanely bad. You could go find anything better. There's so many better things where you're not even looking.

[Dan]

Yeah. If this wasn't the show that I watch, you know, like, and comment on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I would find this cringy in a way that I probably would not want to watch it.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But because it is Alex. It's really funny to me. I think it's great.

[Jordan]

I mean, it makes me appreciate. Here's what it makes me appreciate. It makes me appreciate morning sports radio.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Like the two dudes, you know who they are, they are nondescript. They have nothing interesting about them, but they know how to do it. They just do the thing. It sounds natural.

[Dan]

Or even like Alex and his gold sponsor.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Back in the day.

[Dan]

No, now.

[Jordan]

Oh, now.

[Dan]

Kirk Elliott.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan]

The two of them know what they're doing. They're trying to sell gold and like, Alex has to push sometimes for like a harder sale.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But their rhythm is generally way less.

[Jordan]

This is awful. This is awful to listen to.

[Dan]

So. Dark journalist. You know that general went missing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And something else went missing. And that's the food that was in front of Alex because he's eating well.

[Dark Journalist]

Dark journalist, you see how the UFO file gets right into the heart of the national security state, but it spills out into industry. As a matter of fact, the project that McCaslin was working on and that Monica Reza, his assistant who also disappeared were working on had to do with that memory metal which they had redeveloped from UFO craft. That metal is so important because it can withstand any kind of heat. So we can make any kind of space engine with it. This was the crucial aspect aspect. And for some reason these people who actually had patented this technology, now they're working under the government auspices, but you have this corporate control, they go out and patent it. Well was that one of the mistakes that were made in the process here? And now they just released the call that McCaslin's wife made to 911 and she says, well I get the impression that he intentionally, you know, he changed his clothes. And I get the impression that he intentionally, you know, he left everything here that was important and took off.

[Alex Jones]

So he's leaving, turned on a cell phone and lapse. It never does that.

[Dark Journalist]

Exactly. And here's where I want your expertise, Alex, because I learned about predictive programming largely from listening to your show. And the predictive programming in the background on this is extraordinary.

[Dan]

Alex made up a bunch of dumb shit that inspired Dark Journalist. Now Dark Journalist is being interviewed as if he's an expert on Alex's show. It's a wonderful cycle where no one knows anything and everyone's a genius. Yep. You might notice that Dark Journalist doesn't mention a couple of details about the McCasland story. Like the fact that police put out a silver alert after he was reported missing that he's been retired since 2013 and this metal alloy was invented in the 90s. He's trying to make it all seem so suspicious and recent so it looks more connected than it is because Dark Journalist gets more clicks and makes more money when he exploits other people's real pain like this. It's gross.

[Jordan]

Yep. Yeah.

[Dan]

He knows what he has to know what he's doing. I mean he's grasping at straws in whatever it is.

[Jordan]

It is that, that like it is that hard sci fi narrative structure, you know, where it's like ah, you can see from the patents like we're talking about a global international alien based conspiracy. And yet at the same time a big, a big crux of point is going and getting a patent.

[Dark Journalist]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it, it's also like she co invented. Co discovered this alloy. It's a family of alloys.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's like it's not something that you're disappearing over. It. This is stupid.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And it. It's disrespectful to these people's families, quite frankly.

[Jordan]

It's interdimensional contracts again. If you can travel through space and time, but you're bound by a signed piece of paper, you're out of your goddamn mind.

[Dan]

I think you know what? Go fucking nuts. Talking about Eisenhower, meeting with whatever aliens you want. Delightful. Dead. It's not harming anybody. But these people, like they are recently missing and presumed. Probably maybe dead.

[Jordan]

Which is why it gets me more clicks.

[Dan]

Yeah, that sucks.

[Jordan]

It really does.

[Dan]

So anyway, he was saying that the predictive programming about this is really strong. And he believes that he's figured out what the model was. There was a TV show that primed us for this. It's not the X Files. It's Breaking Bad.

[Jordan]

Okay, that sounds right.

[Dark Journalist]

I think that the template that's being used. And I get into steganography very often, as you know. I think that the template that's being used, believe it or not, is Breaking Bad. It's the television. I don't believe it Breaking Bad. Because if you go back into the pieces of that show, McCaslin's disappearance are almost exactly like Walter White's disappearance in the show. And this is the strange thing about it. He had worked at Los Alamos.

[Jordan]

Bob.

[Dark Journalist]

All of this is McCaslin 20 some odd years later. So that show is going on, say in 2010. And here we have 15, 16 years later, this guy disappearing. And the template for it. There's actually a clip that's online that's available just about certain aspects of that show that have nothing to do with the McCaslin case. But one of the clips is about Walt's cell phone is missing. And there's this whole aspect about Walt's cell phone. If you go into those details and match them up with the McCaslin missing disappearance case, it's very strange because the facts almost line up directly.

[Alex Jones]

Well, that's like the Simpsons where thousands of times they call. They call it lesser magic, but they believe. Not as if they tell you, but if they tell you up front, they believe. It greases the skids for some metaphysical thing to happen.

[Dark Journalist]

Exactly. It opens up.

[Alex Jones]

Right.

[Dark Journalist]

They call it playing with the medium.

[Dan]

So Walter and Jesse were kidnapped by drug lord Tuco Salamanca and then returned like a day later. And he had to fake to his wife that he was in a fugue state. Yeah. I don't think dark journalist has seen Breaking Bad, but I Think maybe he saw a meme or a blog post post trying to connect to this missing person.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like Walter White's. The phone was like. It was his second phone. It was his drug phone.

[Jordan]

Yeah. The number of things. So, like, here's what I think they think they're doing. Right. Sometimes people who know things, who really know them, will start trying to explain them to you. And your eyes will glaze over and you'll go, ah. Like that. Right. And then they will remember something and they'll be like, okay, this isn't quite it. But if you've seen this movie, let me try and give you a visual kind of thing for you to grasp onto. Because obviously the understanding.

[Dan]

It's like the Matrix and philosophy books. That's what they think they're doing.

[Jordan]

Right. But they are going like, that's exactly what it is. Which is not what it is.

[Dan]

And Breaking Bad is telling me messages to decode about.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Retired general. Come on.

[Jordan]

How it works.

[Dan]

So Alex, he does a lot of research. Praise a lot. But his 911 prediction didn't come from study, which he has claimed in the past.

[Jordan]

Wow.

[Dan]

It didn't come from prophetic dreams.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Which he also has claimed in the past. Wow. It came because he saw that that Pearl harbor movie was coming out.

[Jordan]

There we go.

[Alex Jones]

People asked me how I knew they were to stage 9 11. I had a lot of data points. But the last thing was a few months before Pearl harbor, the movie came out and a couple other Pearl harbor movies. They were priming it. I can just see it. But. But let's talk about that. And I love Rogan not saying about. He has a bunch of guest on. But. But he's like, oh, my God. The other day. How does Steven Spielberg know about aliens so early Close Encounters. All that is government propaganda. He's been read in. Obviously speak to that. And all his big UFO movies. Movies being in production for multiple years. Perfectly for this time. And what it speaks to what's about to happen.

[Dark Journalist]

There's no question Spielberg in particular comes from that very elite slice. They figured this is a guy we can work with. Kubrick actually was a little erratic for their purpose.

[Jordan]

I hate you box.

[Dark Journalist]

From what I've heard about him and his background. But Spielberg's a little bit different. They might have said, well, this is a guy who's interested in UFOs. Let's have him take on this whole story. He's so ahead of everyone. He did close encounters in 1977. That's 50 years ago practically. So you know, he had the whole thing down rock solid all the way back then. But he became very close with President Reagan. And when they did the E.T. movie, they showed it at the White House, and then Reagan came forward and said, you know, I really want to give an honor and tribute to Spielberg. Everyone in this room knows that that movie, E.T. is not fiction. It's fact. So all those people in that room remembered it.

[Alex Jones]

I saw it in the news. Elaborate on that. What a crazy story statement.

[Dan]

Yeah. Spielberg told that story and he was like. He was joking.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But anyway, this predictive programming stuff, like, I forgot to mention it, like, in terms of our last clip, but, like, all of this is Alex denying God again.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

He knows why the globalists put predictive programming in media, and it's because they have to in order to get around God's cosmic laws about free will. Will. This isn't a sincere question. He asked about, like, why do they do this? Is it something he. He even answers his own question and says to lubricate.

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's like, he can't say that. He can't think that this is about God and free will.

[Jordan]

It is. It is a. A, an admittance that contextually, like, you can't take Alex out of context because Alex exists only within context in the moment. It is within his show that he does this. But once he leaves his show, that what he says doesn't mean anything on the show. So now he goes to this place and he can say whatever he wants there. But once he leaves there, none of that stuff means anything on back to the show. And if this is two hours of brokered programming, none of this counts as part of the show. No, this is Dark Journalist show, and I'm here to go to eat. I'm hungry.

[Dan]

And if Dark Journalist, like, in advance was like, I don't want to be a part of any of your weird religious shit, then all right.

[Jordan]

No, pretty good. I'll eat some more.

[Dan]

Yeah. The deal falls apart if I. I force God on him.

[Jordan]

Done and done.

[Dan]

So I'll just pretend God isn't behind all my God stuff.

[Jordan]

Works for me.

[Dan]

Cool, man. Anyway, one of the most shocking clips we've ever uncovered was the one where Alex was talking about Trump being a mobster.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And all that shit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

This one, I think, is actually more revelatory.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

And if this is. If. I mean, Alex is a fucking clown.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dark Journalist]

And I always think Reagan is a key figure when you're looking at this. If you want to look for pinpoints on the Board in the past and how it connects up. Because even Trump, what I found out is very interesting. And I don't know if you're aware of this, but Trump was part of the Continuity of government group in 1987. They called him in. He was part of the disaster planning, but he knows a lot lot wrong time. Before he gets into politics, he has

[Alex Jones]

his uncle Infraguard Infrastructure protection.

[Dark Journalist]

Yes, exactly. And what's interesting, when we look at the Continuity of Government program, it is the perfect response tool that they can use for a UFO threat.

[Dan]

So wait, hold on. Why didn't that come up? Why didn't that come up in the 2016? Like he's part of COG.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

He's a part of the Continuity of Government infra guard shit. Like this is. What are you talking about? He's been that since 1987.

[Jordan]

I'm telling you, it's a checklist. I don't remember what I. I don't remember when it was. But a few months ago, I was like, there's just a ch. Checklist. Name all the things that he thinks are good. And it will be. It'll just go down the checklist. What's the line? You know, when will you jump off? Is it whenever you reveal that he was cog?

[Dan]

Should be.

[Jordan]

Is that the line that makes you jump off? Because there's going to be another one. What's next?

[Dan]

But this, this to me is a really, really dangerous thing for Alex because we now really need to know when he became aware of this, because if he ever supported Trump while knowing that he was involved in COG since 1987.

[Jordan]

Unreal. Unreal.

[Dan]

Seems relevant.

[Jordan]

It is a complete dismantling.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I'm gonna skip past this next clip too, because it's really just a long Alex being like. Now listen to me, Doctor.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

I want you to go deep.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I've asked you this question a number of times, but I really want you to dig in on this. And he just goes on for like a minute and a half.

[Jordan]

Jesus Christ.

[Dan]

And then the question at the end is, are the globalists behind schedule?

[Alex Jones]

Yep.

[Jordan]

Yep, they're behind schedule.

[Dan]

I just was fucking blowing hard to try and kill time.

[Jordan]

I'm just. I'm just waiting for my next bite of sandwich.

[Dan]

Let me ask you, dog journalist, and I need you to go deep. How would you describe the times that we're in right now?

[Jordan]

Really talk long for about 15 to 20 minutes. That's how long it takes me to eat this fucking panda that I Got from. Yeah.

[Dan]

And then when I swallow it, I will talk over you until I'm hungry.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

So that leaves us with one last clip. God damn it. This is funny.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Dan]

This. I don't think there could be a better punchline for back to back Dark Journalist episodes.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Listen to this shit.

[Alex Jones]

Okay, he didn't before. It was the. It's bad. I'm trying to figure it out. So let's go to your exhibits because I'm interrupting you. A bunch of a. Great job. Panelists. Let's start at Exhibit 6, the Finks, which the agent said had this stuff under it. Now the, the, the, the. The scans show that's there. And we'll go through these exhibits because you sent a bunch of them today and I apologize, I've gotten to them. Why is this important?

[Dan]

He once again has to rush through his exhibits. He calls it the finx again.

[Jordan]

I think he even. I don't think he called him dark journalist. I think he called him journalist. I think he cut out a bunch of it and he threw the D. And he. He's like, you've done a great job, Darnold,

[Dan]

because it's not sincere.

[Jordan]

So seriously, tell me what's going on under this, Phoenix. Oh, God, the finx. The fings.

[Dan]

So what's the importance of these exhibits that I'm contractually obligated to.

[Jordan]

You send me this email and I have to say them. I have to say them.

[Dan]

Yeah. So I have a big theory, and that is that Alex fucking does not like Dark journalist and does not like that this is where his career is at.

[Jordan]

I agree. Agree.

[Dan]

And to anybody who would disagree with my position, I would like to say.

[Alex Jones]

Because you're the expert. Wide spectrum. You're the expert on accuracy. Because I'm pretty smart about. So I know you're. Your research is the best channel.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Jordan]

There it is.

[Dan]

Thank you very much.

[Jordan]

There it is.

[Dan]

Thank you. Alex. I found it.

[Jordan]

You're gonna get me.

[Dan]

You're the expert.

[Jordan]

Finally. Finally. Finally. It's taken a while. It's taken a while, I think. Does this. Does the show end now? Now? Did we finish?

[Dan]

No, but it's cathartic. It's cathartic as hell.

[Jordan]

Is this like, there will be the blood? Will you. Will you beat me to death and then be like, it's finished.

[Dan]

There will be the blood.

[Jordan]

There will be. There will be the blood. Hey, I guess I can't make fun of anybody for calling them journalists.

[Dan]

Fucking finks. Fucking finks over in Egypt. I didn't Mispronounce Egypt.

[Jordan]

Ehipt.

[Dan]

There you go.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So what a silly, stupid chat. Trump is out here going crazy.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Alex is doing whatever he can to figure out, like, how can I make a brand? And I think it's really funny that

[Jordan]

how much would it cost us to take a couple hours from a show?

[Dan]

I don't know. I'd be willing to explore it. Right. I legitimately did think about, like, what level of work would go into creating a fake website.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And like.

[Jordan]

And trying to. Yeah.

[Dan]

Yeah. And seeing if I could, like, broker some programming.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I think it would probably take a little more than I'm willing to put in to make it believable.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex Jones]

But.

[Dan]

Yeah, I don't know. Maybe if we. Maybe, maybe.

[Jordan]

I'm sure nobody who listens to this show knows how to set things up.

[Dan]

Well, I'm sure they would, but it's not worth their effort.

[Jordan]

No, it's not worth their effort, but. Yeah.

[Dan]

I don't know. I can't be. It can't be that much.

[Jordan]

I can't be that much. Dark journalists. Can't be some sort of. Of thrown around millions of dollars kind of guy.

[Alex Jones]

I don't know.

[Dan]

Maybe he's independently wealthy.

[Jordan]

Maybe he. That's a good point. Maybe journalist does have all the money.

[Dan]

See, here's the thing. We know a number of journalists, and it's not a super lucrative field.

[Jordan]

It is, in fact, the opposite.

[Dan]

It's very hard to get a gig somewhere that, like, will, you know, publish

[Jordan]

yourself in the light.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That's the thing.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Dark journalism.

[Jordan]

Very lucrative. So lucrative, lucrative position. Well, I bet that is. That's more true on average, I imagine.

[Dan]

I hate to say this, but I love this guy.

[Jordan]

I know you do. I know you do.

[Dan]

He's given me something that has been absent for a while, which is a little whimsy. I love that Alex hates him.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I do too.

[Dan]

And you can feel it. Yeah, I like that. And Alex feels trapped. And I like that too. It's very funny. So I'm gonna. I'm just gonna become a dark journalist.

[Jordan]

You're a journalist, guy?

[Alex Jones]

Yeah,

[Jordan]

I'm a dark journalist.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Alex has already said that. I'm the expert.

[Jordan]

So now, well, there's. There's only one thing left to do. Take the journalism down.

[Dan]

Yep. We'll do some journalism. On journalism.

[Jordan]

Oh, we'll go to journalism school.

[Dan]

Yes. Mizzou, my alma mater. One of the best journalism schools in the country.

[Jordan]

So they love. There will be the blood.

[Dan]

So we'll be back with another episode soon. But until then, we have a website.

[Jordan]

Indeed we do. @sailage.com.

[Dan]

yep, we'll be back. But until then. I'm Neo. I'm Leo. I'm DZX Clark. I am the mysterious Professor.

[Alex Jones]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Woo. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Woo. And now, here comes the sex robots.

[Alex Jones]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work.

[Alex Jones]

I love you.