Dan (1:12)

No time for bright spot.

Jordan (1:13)

No time.

Dan (1:14)

My bright spot is baked into this episode.

Jordan (1:16)

Gotcha. Gotcha.

Dan (1:18)

We are recording on Saturday instead of Sunday.

Jordan (1:21)

It is intense.

Dan (1:22)

We had to convene the conclave.

Jordan (1:26)

Move it up.

Dan (1:27)

The podcast bishops in order.

Jordan (1:30)

I don't know. All right. The white smoke. Let's just say the white smoke.

Dan (1:33)

Something happened after we recorded or during and after when we recorded our last episode.

Jordan (1:41)

Ah. That's how we do it.

Dan (1:42)

And we're walking a tightrope of you not finding out about this thing. And so my bright spot is that we managed to preserve the integrity of what we're doing here.

Jordan (1:54)

There was one hour. There was one hour where it all could have fallen apart because I left here. And then at almost an hour later, you were like, stay off the Internet. Do you know what's happening? Are you asked me, do you know what happened? Something along those lines.

Dan (2:10)

Yeah. Yeah.

Jordan (2:10)

And I was like, well, obviously, no, this is going to be a problem. So I have just been off the Internet for the past two days.

Dan (2:17)

Yeah.

Jordan (2:18)

I haven't looked at anything. I haven't touched anything.

Dan (2:20)

I think I've been fucking with you a little bit about like, oh, my God. Are you sure you don't know?

Jordan (2:25)

Yeah, I don't.

Dan (2:25)

You have to have heard.

Jordan (2:26)

If I knew what it was, I would know, but I don't know. And you know, it's kind of been good. It's been good to be off the Internet. I've liked it.

Dan (2:34)

Yeah. So it's a bright spot for you too, but I'm so excited it's been a long time since I've been like, God, I can't wait to see what Jordan says about this.

Jordan (2:45)

I can sense it. I could feel it in your heart.

Dan (2:47)

So what's your bright spot?

Jordan (2:48)

My bright spot, my man, is tennis.

Dan (2:50)

Oh, tennis, Nice. Did you watch a Ridley Scott interview and cry?

Jordan (2:56)

No, but I would have if I had heard my own soul reflected. So. So clearly no. First, first final of the year, starring both center and Alcaraz. Okay, tomorrow morning it's going down in Monte Carlo and the ranking, the world number one ranking is on the line.

Dan (3:15)

Holy shit.

Jordan (3:16)

It is a big deal. The stakes, it is huge. It's going to be very enjoyable.

Dan (3:21)

Well, I'm glad that the two of them are locked in their death battle. Yep.

Jordan (3:24)

And forever and ever until one of them dies.

Dan (3:27)

Yeah, it's interesting that tennis just does that. It seems to constantly create that. But hey, it's exciting and I'm pumped for you.

Jordan (3:36)

Greatness demands challenge, right?

Dan (3:38)

You know, you've picked such an interesting sport that it's like constantly on in the middle of the night or like early in the morning because it's, it's around the world.

Jordan (3:47)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's all over the place.

Dan (3:48)

That's such an interesting choice. As opposed to like baseball and football that are on like normal human level,

Jordan (3:55)

ready to watch whenever you are.

Dan (3:57)

Yeah. It reminds me of back when, when I was doing stand up. There were a lot of people who were like, really into wrestling.

Jordan (4:02)

Sure.

Dan (4:03)

And like Japanese pay per views, you know, would be on at all hours of the day.

Jordan (4:07)

Right, right, right, right.

Dan (4:07)

You know, they'd, they'd be like, oh, I was up, up at 2 to watch the, the Japanese.

Jordan (4:13)

Yeah, yeah. We had a couple of friends like that with football, the, the European kind. Soccer, Football. Uh, yeah, they were that, you know, you, you go to Galway Bay at 10am you're going to have yourself a day.

Dan (4:25)

Yeah, yeah. Not, not a long one, but it'll be a day.

Jordan (4:30)

It'll be a day.

Dan (4:32)

So, Jordan, today we got this episode. Holy shit.

Jordan (4:35)

Okay.

Dan (4:36)

We're going to be talking about April 9th and 10th on two episodes. Oh, yeah.

Jordan (4:40)

All right. Okay.

Dan (4:41)

It's such a ride.

Jordan (4:43)

Okay.

Dan (4:44)

I can't wait. I can't fucking wait.

Jordan (4:45)

Okay, okay.

Dan (4:46)

But before we get to it, let's take a little moment to say hello.

Jordan (4:48)

Oh, my God, the suspense.

Dan (4:50)

So first, my nickname in college was Big Balls, but not for the reason you might think. Thank you so much. You're now Policy Wonk.

Alex Jones (4:55)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (4:56)

Thank you very much.

Dark Waters (4:57)

Thank you.

Dan (4:58)

Next. I played bass in a progressive rock band until one day the frontman went on a rant about George Soros and the World Economic Forum, and now they're using Disney movies to brainwash everyone into being socialist feminists. Thank you so much. You're now policy wonk.

Alex Jones (5:10)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (5:12)

Thank you very much.

Dan (5:12)

Geddy Lee is fucking annoying.

Jordan (5:14)

Yeah. That is, you know, that is how the band broke up.

Dan (5:17)

Yep. Next. Pukey, pukey. Me and Huey drank all the liquid death. Nay ho loopy cuco. Thank you so much. You're now a policy wonk.

Alex Jones (5:26)

I'm a policy wonk.

Jordan (5:27)

Thank you very much.

Dark Waters (5:27)

Thank you.

Dan (5:28)

And we got a technical credit in the mix, Jordan, so thank you so much to Guy. The last five years with you have been a wild ride, right down to our weekly ritual of listening to knowledge fight together. You make me the happiest deep state globalist in the new world order by being my non binary adrenochrome guzzling partner in crime. Love, Chelsea. Thank you so much. You're an Iowa technocrat.

Alex Jones (5:46)

I'm a policy wonk. 4 stars. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy shark. Bom, bom, bom, bom, bo. Jar Jar Binks has a Caribbean black accent. He's a loser. Little, little kitty baby. I don't want to hate black people. I renounce Jesus Christ.

Dan (6:06)

Thank you so much.

Jordan (6:06)

Thank you very much.

Dan (6:08)

So we had an out of context drop.

Jordan (6:10)

All right.

Dan (6:10)

But it's kind of. I don't know. I feel like this is just teasing more.

Jordan (6:15)

Okay.

Dan (6:16)

So here. Yeah, yeah.

Alex Jones (6:18)

Don't do war crimes, bro.

Dan (6:19)

Cool.

Jordan (6:20)

Don't do. That's good advice for all of us.

Dan (6:22)

Yeah, yeah. Again, this is like, Trump doesn't want to be a weenie forever.

Jordan (6:26)

Don't do war crime, bro. That's. That's something that you can really only say in 2020. Back in the day, you know, you would get that in a long letter. You know, like, the king of. Of Spain would send a letter to the king of Russia and be like, but at the end of the day, don't do war crimes, bro.

Dan (6:43)

Come on, bro.

Jordan (6:43)

Come on, bruh.

Dan (6:44)

So I had very much intended, like, we're going to take this slow. Alex is having his, like, falling away from Trump.

Jordan (6:53)

Yeah.

Dan (6:54)

But there's just.

Jordan (6:54)

Let's savor it.

Dan (6:55)

Well, I was intending to. We're gonna go day by day through this.

Jordan (7:00)

We were gonna really.

Dan (7:01)

How does Alex, respond to the we're gonna wipe out your civilization comments.

Jordan (7:06)

It's an autopsy.

Dan (7:07)

Specific enough, but we can't.

Jordan (7:10)

We have to get to this. Let's get to the meat.

Dan (7:13)

So Alex comes on his show on April 9 and is telling a story, basically, that Trump had said, I'm going to murder everyone in Iran. Sure. And then he was, like, talked out of it and he was like, oh, he came to his senses. And basically Alex was a part of that.

Alex Jones (7:31)

I'm not a prideful person, meaning I don't like thinking about how great I am. It's the opposite. I know my limitations. The more power you really get, the more dangerous you realize it is. But I do get satisfaction without even looking around. I've seen Mark Levin and all the neocons attack me on national news online saying, Jones and Tucker Carlson and mtg, they got Trump to pull back from total war. This is absolutely horrible. These people are big traitors, their enemies. Yeah. They don't want us putting pressure on Trump because it works. And he just came out today and said, no nuclear weapons will be used in Iran when he promises stronger than anyone has ever seen strikes if they back out of these deals.

Dan (8:15)

So as a brief recap of what's happened here, Trump posted a deadline for Iran to open the Straits of Hormuz on Truth Social, putting it at 8pm Eastern on Tuesday. As that date grew closer and Iran said no and made fun of his threats, Trump escalated the online rhetoric to the point where he said on Tuesday, quote, a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don't want that to happen, but it probably will, surely. Obviously, everyone interpreted that as a very clear threat that Trump intended to make and acted shocked by how weirdly nothing happened. Yeah, everyone was. I don't know anyone who's not confused

Jordan (8:54)

by like, hey, listen, I think we made a huge mistake electing and appointing nothing but cowards to the government, and now we're all fucked because of it.

Dan (9:04)

At least not enough. Not cowards.

Jordan (9:06)

Yeah.

Dan (9:07)

The president used the social media company that he owns to post a threat to kill an entire civilization. Speaking as our representative to the world. And as far as I can tell, nobody did anything.

Jordan (9:17)

Nope.

Dan (9:17)

No spies or snipers took him out. His cabinet didn't invoke the 25th Amendment to remove him from office. This is just behavior. That's fine now.

Jordan (9:26)

I mean, hey, I, you know, hey, what you going to do? What you going to do? Let's escalate everything to nuclear war.

Dan (9:33)

It's a mess.

Jordan (9:34)

Let's escalate. Oh, my God. Are you going to raise that fucking tax by 5 cents? Fuck you. I'll bomb your whole civilization to nothing.

Dan (9:41)

Yeah, yeah. The talkers were talking about this, you know, like no one was really doing anything, but the talkers were talking and most of the talk was bad. Yeah, it's really hard to justify someone saying something like this because it's literally threatening to commit genocide if you don't get your way.

Alex Jones (9:55)

Yeah.

Dan (9:56)

Alex is in this tough situation where he knows he can't support or justify the things Trump is doing, but he's not able to just be a man and go against him. He can say critical things about Trump, but he refuses to speak freely because of an obsession with winning the midterm elections. There's a sense that Alex has converted to electoralism and become a bit of a normie, even if he likes to spend his time talking about orbs with dipshits like dark journalists orbs. Now that he's gotten into a pattern of yelling and crying at the audience about how Republicans have to win everything or else the world is going to end. To the point where he was a key part of trying to overthrow the 2020 election. Because they can't really go back to the days when elections were all theater and it didn't matter who won. The reason for that is because the second that becomes Alex's story again, his fans might start considering the possibility that 2016, 2020 and 2024, those were theater too. And if they start to realize that, it's a very quick walk to realizing that Alex was part of that theater.

Jordan (10:55)

Never going to happen.

Dan (10:56)

So Alex tries to tread water in this idiotic space where everyone knows he should be burning Trump, but he holds back for the sake of some kind of imagined Congressional victory in the midterms. He wants it to come off like some kind of ability on his part to see the big picture, but it's really just indicative of his descent into partisan hackery. Yeah, Trump threatened to nuke Iran, and then about two hours before the deadline, he pretended to accept a ceasefire deal for two weeks that was brokered by Pakistan. Everyone knows the deal is bullshit, but this really highlights something that I think is super dangerous and we need to take seriously. We all know Trump making this deal is bullshit, but we all also know that it's a good thing he agreed to that fake deal, cuz the alternative is dropping nukes on people. We don't want a nuclear war, and it feels like the best way to not have one is to go ahead and pretend that the great dealmaker made a great deal that avoided so much unnecessary death. On some level, this is training the public that it's best to just humor Trump and pretend the emperor has great new clothes. Because if 8pm Eastern might roll around and his pride demands that he kill a lot of people. Yep. This is a sort of standard abuser bully type of thing, where Trump has clearly demonstrated his willingness to kill and to violate constitutional and international laws. So we don't know what he's capable of. His threats might be empty, but they can never be taken as such because the stakes are so high. And he knows that if he threatens to do something that would essentially end the modern world and then he makes a fake deal to stop it at the last minute, the real effect of that is that he's demanding everyone thank him for avoiding the end of the world. Anyway, he didn't say that he wouldn't use nukes. Alex is misinterpreting Trump saying, quote, no nuclear weapons after he was asked what an acceptable deal with Iran would look like.

Jordan (12:46)

He was. Oh, he was saying that Iran would get no nuclear weapon.

Dan (12:50)

Ah, ok. And Alex is desperate to pretend Trump changed courses. So he's yelling at his audience and saying that Trump committed to not using nukes.

Jordan (12:58)

Right.

Dan (12:59)

Basically, this is Alex playing his role in the abuser bully dynamic. Trump has just lashed out at the public and is demanding everyone praise him for stopping before he nuked the world. Alex is now getting on his show and praising Trump for stopping before he nuked Iran and also trying to pretend that his actions were critical to bringing Trump to his senses, effectively demanding that the audience play the same role in his narcissism cycle as he feels like he does in Trump's.

Roger Stone (13:25)

Yep.

Dan (13:26)

Alex had to get on his show and attack him in order to correct the ship, which is explained by him. He came on his show and said that they should invoke the 25th Amendment.

Jordan (13:38)

Yeah.

Dan (13:38)

And so that made a lot of headlines that, you know, that was him saving the world.

Jordan (13:44)

Yeah. You know, it is something where it's very easy to forget this because we all just assume it will happen, but Trump saying those things is just him saying them. People have to do them. So we're all assuming that all of the people who know that the deal is bullshit, all of the people who know that what he's doing is illegal, and all of the people who are in a. In a place where they could say no are going to say yes to him just because he's the Imaginary president for a while.

Dan (14:15)

Well, for us. And at least from where I'm sitting, yeah, it's the same issue, and that is that, like, maybe they will, maybe they won't. The stakes are too high to bet on people not following what he says.

Jordan (14:27)

Yep. Amazing.

Dan (14:28)

So, like, I'd like to. I'd like to endorse not following unconstitutional and flagrantly illegal things that the president might tell you to do.

Jordan (14:37)

Sure.

Dan (14:37)

But I don't know if we can bank on that, because someone might.

Jordan (14:41)

Yeah, man, I weep. Boy, it's just tough not to say I get it. I get Nazis. I get it, buddy. It's tough. It's tough to be a Nazi. And here we are. What you gonna do?

Dan (14:53)

So Trump, he really can't threaten genocide. He can't do that.

Jordan (14:58)

I guess you can.

Dan (14:59)

And I tip my hat to Alex.

Jordan (15:00)

Yeah.

Alex Jones (15:01)

POTUS warns America's ready to strike Iran stronger than anyone has ever seen before, close quote. If agreement isn't reached, declares no nuclear weapons will be used. That is very good to calm nerds, because you can't talk about total annihilation of a civilization never to return. That's the definition of genocide. And not have us have to come out and say, emergency brake. You know, slam the disc brakes on you. You do. Whoever's telling you this, well, we know Mark Levin. He said it on Fox News. Do not listen to lunatics.

Dan (15:31)

This is some of the most weaselly stuff you can do. It's wrong for Trump to threaten genocide because it's wrong full stop. The formulation Alex is putting forward is that it's wrong for Trump to do that, because if he does, then Alex has to be critical of him. I get that Mark Levin is just the scapegoat explanation for everything now, and Alex has decided that he's going to paint him as the guy behind all of Trump's bad decisions. But if Alex has enough sense to accurately describe what Trump did as threatening genocide, then he has to be able to understand that Trump did that on purpose. Yeah, you can rationalize that Someone gave him bad advice all you want, but no one could ever talk me into threatening to commit genocide, because I would never do that. If you're honest with yourself, you can't say the same about Trump. Based on the actions that Trump took on social media, there are only a couple of conclusions you can come to. One, Trump is willing to kill the 93 million people in Iran if he doesn't get his way.

Jordan (16:25)

Yeah.

Dan (16:25)

Two, Trump is such an incompetent negotiator that the only way he thinks he can get his way is to bluff and threaten to kill 93 million people.

Jordan (16:33)

Yep.

Dan (16:33)

Three, Trump is so dumb that he can be talked into threatening to kill 93 million people even though he doesn't want to. Nor does he think it's a good strategy. Sure. Or four, Trump believes that he and Iran are just doing this for show and all these threats are just a dick measuring contest for him.

Jordan (16:48)

Sure.

Dan (16:49)

Alex really needs to accept that there is just no saving this. Trump threatened to commit an intentional genocide in order to scare another country into accepting a deal that they didn't want to accept. And even Alex can't come up with a less damning way to describe it. If you're fine with this, you don't have a principled stance against Trump nuking someone because he did everything but pull the trigger here. And everyone knows the justification for not pulling the trigger is bullshit. It's arbitrary that it didn't happen.

Jordan (17:19)

Yeah, I. I mean, we all. The. One of the biggest things that we all lived through was Game of Thrones. And one of the main characters of Game of Thrones, when faced with a out of control despot threatening to kill millions of people, he killed that guy. Right. And everybody agreed. Totally the right move. Totally the right move.

Dan (17:43)

Can I, can I actually correct you?

Jordan (17:45)

Yeah.

Dan (17:46)

Two main characters do that.

Jordan (17:47)

Good point. And in both cases, everybody's like, you got to do what you got to do. It is the correct move.

Dan (17:53)

There were consequences. But everybody, you know, there was some stigma.

Jordan (17:56)

Yep.

Dan (17:57)

But, yeah, everyone.

Jordan (17:58)

Yeah, yep, yep. Everybody moved on. They were real bummed out for a bit, but yeah.

Dan (18:02)

So Alex talks here about Lindsey Graham and how he's overconfident about Iran and ground troops, war and that stuff.

Jordan (18:11)

Jesus Christ.

Dan (18:12)

And he gets a little lost.

Alex Jones (18:14)

Lindsey Graham's asked, two weeks ago, 25 of Marines take Crag Island. I believe in the Marines. Well, it took 110,000 Marines and sailors to take Iwo Jima. That was 20,000 Japanese. Kirk Allen has more than that. Well, you're just against our Marines. This is mathematical stuff. It's like, what's it take to get a Falcon Heavy into orbit? However many tens of thousands of tons of fuel? They're like, well, we just need 500, you know, £500. You're like, no, you need tons and tons and tons. It's mathematical. But so many of these malignant narcissists, politicians and corporate leaders, the highest percentage you see anywhere in the. Not just sociopaths, but psychopaths throughout history, they get so delusional. They will just give orders that are insane. And one of my favorite examples, because the film is amazing. Deepwater Horizon, of course, came out like.

Jordan (19:08)

Of course It's a movie.

Alex Jones (19:09)

12, 14 years.

Jordan (19:09)

Of course, it's a movie with one

Alex Jones (19:11)

of my favorite actors, Kurt Russell. But I'd seen a documentary about it from the court case. It's from the transcripts of the court case that all happened. That movie's like basically exactly as it happened. Even the actors, they chose to play the people. The head crew, the head of the rig looks like Kirk Russell. You know, the Mark Wahlberg guy looks just like Mark Wahlberg. I mean, they just did a master Mark Wahlberg five times. I need to watch again. And they get a call by the coon ass head of BP in the US Nothing is kun. I think he says kun ass accent. We gonna do well. Gonna be great.

Dan (19:43)

So I think that you're talking a bit, a lot about Deepwater Horizon here.

Jordan (19:47)

Yeah.

Dan (19:47)

When it should have just been maybe an analogy you're making as opposed to a five minute chunk that you're gonna get into about the movie and how it's real.

Jordan (19:55)

Really don't need to even give me a cast list.

Alex Jones (19:58)

No.

Jordan (19:58)

Even if, Even if you're. You're nailing the. The analogy part, at no point in time will the cast list assist me in getting your point.

Dan (20:06)

No. And I would also say that you're not making the point with the analogy. Yeah. That part is why you would bring this up.

Jordan (20:13)

Yep.

Dan (20:14)

And that is weak.

Jordan (20:14)

Yeah. That's no good.

Dan (20:16)

Silex keeps talking, of course, about the movie.

Jordan (20:18)

Why not?

Alex Jones (20:19)

The Pentagon said 92% chance they don't get removed. The strait gets closed. It creates a chain reaction. And now if we can't do regime change, we gotta do ground invasion. And that's even lower probability because they'll keep fighting. Because we funded a huge war for seven years against them in the 80s and they're even tougher now. But it's the exact same thing. Well, you just go ahead and you do that now. In fact, let's play the trailer or whatever clip you found, because this is it. I mean, this is the transcripts. Because these old companies have secretaries, you know, they're recording and all. They create transcripts of it. They had the transcripts, these phone calls. You just go here, we gonna save 50 million a day. Not putting that mud in. They call the concrete mud. And the Texas on the line going, it's gonna blow up. But still, he went, okay. Did the pressure test didn't blow up. All right, I'll do what you said. Hours later, it blows up. Like, we have to listen to the real experts. Not.

Jordan (21:18)

Oh, my God, Mark.

Alex Jones (21:19)

Not Mark Levine.

Jordan (21:20)

Oh, my God.

Alex Jones (21:22)

This is an exact parallel here, folks.

Dan (21:24)

Play the clip so he plays the a clip from Deep Water.

Jordan (21:27)

I, I, I will. I, I lived. I was alive. I was alive during COVID I was alive, living. I was a living human being during COVID For that man, for him to not be ripped to shreds by wolves after saying shit like that.

Dan (21:46)

Or Wahlberg's.

Jordan (21:47)

Or Wahlberg's. Absolutely. If he goes to Wahlburger, I expect him not to make it out.

Dan (21:52)

You stay out of.

Jordan (21:53)

I expect to eat an Alex burger at a Wahlburger.

Dan (21:57)

To be clear, I want to make sure we're all clear on the argument that Alex is trying to make. He's saying that experts warned that attacking Iran would not be a good idea, but the wrong decision was made. Similarly, in the case of the Deepwater Horizon, experts told the decision makers that the well was gonna blow up, but they didn't listen. The connective tissue between the two things is that the right experts weren't listened to. And Alex is saying that they're both bad things that could have been avoided.

Alex Jones (22:22)

Right.

Dan (22:22)

What I find really interesting is that this isn't a strong connection between these two things. And in fact, understanding what happened at Deepwater Horizon really doesn't help you understand the situation in Iran at all. The further problem is something that we've touched on another time Alex brought up this movie, and that is that Alex is just wrong with the details about the actual explosion at the Horizon.

Jordan (22:44)

Well, that sounds right.

Dan (22:45)

He's right about the movie, but he's not right about the real world.

Jordan (22:48)

That is the problem.

Dan (22:49)

He has to insist that this movie is so accurate to real life because he only really knows about the movie. But he wants the audience to believe that he's speaking from a place of deep research about the real world.

Dark Waters (22:59)

Right.

Dan (23:00)

And at this point, I could descend into a very elaborate discussion about drilling and the mud that he's talking about.

Jordan (23:08)

Yeah.

Dan (23:09)

But it is thoroughly unnecessary.

Jordan (23:11)

Okay.

Dan (23:11)

And we have other things to get to. All right, so I'm gonna skip.

Jordan (23:14)

All right.

Dan (23:15)

What I spent a lot of time on.

Jordan (23:16)

He's just an asshole. You spent a lot of time on drilling. Drill, baby, drill. Unfortunately, we're now moving on.

Dan (23:22)

Yeah. So mud. They put the mud down.

Jordan (23:24)

Yeah.

Dan (23:24)

In order to offset the pressure down at the bottom.

Jordan (23:27)

Right.

Dan (23:28)

This has nothing to do with the Explosion.

Dark Waters (23:29)

Okay.

Dan (23:30)

That happened later.

Jordan (23:31)

Okay.

Dan (23:31)

Anyway, who gives a shit?

Jordan (23:32)

Okay. All right. I'm actually kind of interested, but.

Dan (23:36)

Well, okay, I'll tell you this.

Jordan (23:37)

Tell me a little bit more.

Dan (23:39)

When you're drilling, you have to measure, you have to weigh two variables against each other. One is the pressure down in the rock that you're drilling into.

Jordan (23:48)

Too high explodes, you die.

Dan (23:50)

Well, if you hit pockets of things, they will rush towards places with lower pressure. So it'll go up the pipe.

Jordan (23:57)

Yeah.

Dan (23:57)

In order to offset this, you need to put mud down the pipe, what they call mud down the pipe, in order to create a greater pressure so stuff won't go upward.

Jordan (24:06)

Gotcha.

Dan (24:07)

However, you have to balance the weight of the mud with how, like, if it's too heavy, it will penetrate the rocks, it will crack the rocks.

Jordan (24:20)

You need a Goldilocks amount of mud, and it takes a lot to get a Goldilocks amount. Because too much and too little are very easy to do.

Dan (24:27)

Right.

Jordan (24:28)

Yes.

Dan (24:29)

Deepwater Horizon, and they were drilling.

Jordan (24:31)

Yeah.

Dan (24:31)

They had way too little buffer between the mud weight and the pressure density kind of thing, that equation that they needed.

Jordan (24:40)

Right.

Dan (24:40)

And they were doing that in order to try and maximize profits.

Jordan (24:43)

Right.

Dan (24:43)

And take a higher risk.

Alex Jones (24:44)

Right.

Dan (24:45)

When they were getting out of the mine or out of the. The well.

Alex Jones (24:49)

Yeah.

Dan (24:49)

The normal thing that they do is they pour concrete down there to cap off the well so things don't come up no more.

Jordan (24:55)

No more problem.

Dan (24:56)

Right.

Jordan (24:56)

Yeah.

Dan (24:56)

And in that process, they did not correctly or fully cap it.

Alex Jones (25:03)

Right.

Dan (25:03)

And so that's what caused.

Jordan (25:04)

Right.

Dan (25:05)

They had given too little buffer between the drilling of the mine and that or the well, and then they didn't cap it properly.

Jordan (25:13)

Gotcha.

Dan (25:13)

So anyway, Alex is. He's just wrong about a ton of shit.

Jordan (25:16)

Gotcha.

Dan (25:16)

And I don't care. All right. But not because you cared.

Alex Jones (25:19)

I want.

Jordan (25:20)

I was. I'm actually. I'm interested in how that works. That was a really interesting thing.

Dan (25:23)

You should go see the movie.

Jordan (25:24)

I. Well, okay.

Dan (25:26)

Alex has seen it five times.

Jordan (25:27)

Too many times.

Dark Waters (25:28)

Yeah.

Dan (25:29)

So there's other issues on Alex's mind.

Jordan (25:31)

Yeah.

Dan (25:32)

Like aliens.

Jordan (25:33)

Sure.

Alex Jones (25:34)

All right. While we've been focused on this incredibly dangerous war, the shock waves that are happening, foreign control, US Foreign policy, Israel planning to nuke Iran and more. We've not been looking enough at all these Congress people that are very trusted and others saying no, they four alien species talking to humans on the Earth, spacecraft, all of it. Trump needs just release a release at all. Now, are they being given this info or is it Real. I've got a lot of answers.

Dan (26:06)

No, you don't. And I think we've been focusing on that plenty. It seems like we've talked about that a lot.

Jordan (26:10)

Yep.

Dan (26:11)

Dark journalist has been making some great points.

Jordan (26:14)

Yep. I mean, I'm going to just reiterate my forever stance on aliens. If aliens, then only aliens. You will know. You won't even need to ask. You won't need to be like, hey, are aliens. You will know. It will be known immediately. If aliens.

Alex Jones (26:30)

Right.

Dan (26:31)

Like we talked about on the last episode. I think if aliens want to destroy us, they can and they aren't so great. They don't want to harm us.

Jordan (26:38)

Yep.

Dan (26:40)

And if they want to reveal themselves to us, the government can't do shit about that. So, like, they don't want to. If they're here, they don't want to be seen. Let's respect their privacy.

Jordan (26:50)

What treaties? Yeah, shut up. Shut up.

Dan (26:53)

Anyway, Alex teases this that it's like this is in his mind.

Jordan (26:58)

Yeah.

Dan (26:58)

But he also has some real world stuff to talk about.

Jordan (27:01)

All right.

Dan (27:01)

Like the night before, he pre recorded an interview with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Jordan (27:06)

Okay.

Dan (27:07)

And so he plays that interview and part of it involves her saying, hey, Alex, I'm proud of you that you called Trump crazy because he's crazy.

Alex Jones (27:16)

Yeah.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (27:17)

But you came out and you call it exactly as it is. And you said the President has gone insane and it's time to use the 25th Amendment. He's not mentally stable. And you can love President Trump. You can not love him no matter how you feel about him. But everyone has to be honest and realistic and wake up and look at the facts. Any person, no matter who they are, when they say they are willing and they set a deadline and they literally say 8pm that night, that they are going to wipe out an entire civilization of a country that, by the way, Iran has not bombed America. We don't have bombs falling on our head. We don't. We are not being attacked right now. Nothing is happening like that to us. Am I defending Iran? No, I am not. I'm just pointing out the real.

Jordan (28:09)

I'll defend Iran.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (28:10)

But President Trump put out that true social right there and literally said that he would wipe out an entire civilization of people. I don't know how that is defensible

Alex Jones (28:22)

by it's total super villain stuff. Not even Hitler said that out loud while he was actually trying to do it.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (28:30)

No, that's absolutely right.

Jordan (28:32)

Yes.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (28:32)

Civilization. And then saying it's going to be bridges and power plants. That's Critical infrastructure.

Alex Jones (28:39)

And he said never to come back. I thought he's trying to save these people.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (28:43)

Yeah. Never to come back. And the President has come out and he's spoken about why he's going to war. And it was to free the Iranian people. He claimed it was to help them. He said it was not about the oil, but yet it's straight up about the oil. It's all about the Strait of Hormuz. And it's because people found out that this is not popular. People don't want to have the so called temporary pain for long term gain.

Alex Jones (29:11)

Well, that was the good news though, is when you and Tucker and everybody else came roaring out. Not the Democrats. They saw polls and I'm talking to insiders at Raspberry, name it, they're below 33. He's in freefall. So thank God, still, somehow we're able to get to him. And again, I love the old Trump. I told you on the phone this morning, I said I hate the new Trump. I'm just gonna be honest. I hate this person. This is. This is a disgusting husk of the former person. This is like, you know, in a vampire movie you love your wife or your husband till a vampire bites. When they're now a vampire.

Jordan (29:41)

No, this is horrible.

Dan (29:42)

No, he's the same guy. No, but like, I find this fascinating the way that, like, MTG is perfectly situated for what she wants to do, but she's just not very dynamically interesting as a media personality. She's great for someone to be a shit talker in Congress. Yeah, but like, if she has to do a show for herself, I just don't think she has it.

Jordan (30:08)

She doesn't have the chops.

Dan (30:09)

Yeah, but it's so unfortunate because she made all the right choices to set herself up to have a very lucrative career in right wing media. Yep. I just. I don't think it's gonna work.

Jordan (30:21)

There are so many comics I know who would be delighted to be in her position and would fucking crush it, but they would never have the chops to get into her position. And so the two of them being unable. It's very old, Henry. You know, I'm good enough to do the thing, but you're not good enough to do the thing.

Dan (30:39)

Maybe she should try and become Theo Vaughn's co host. Maybe the two of them could make a go of it.

Jordan (30:45)

Maybe they'd fall in.

Dan (30:47)

Yeah. Yeah, that'd be beautiful.

Jordan (30:48)

That would be beautiful.

Dan (30:50)

So this isn't the only post that MTG is offended by.

Jordan (30:53)

All right.

Dan (30:54)

She also is not thrilled with what Trump said on Easter. Okay.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (30:57)

His, the post that. It disturbed me deeply inside was on Easter morning when the President made that horrific post. And it was shocking. Easter morning is when families and people all across the country, Christians across country, or waking up and celebrating the fact that Christ has risen from the grave. This is like, this is the greatest day that we have and it's literally the basis of our entire faith. And many families are getting ready to go to church and planning to have, you know, all day long celebrations.

Jordan (31:30)

Give more examples.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (31:31)

Cooking and gathering, eating. And the President put out a post that was the most disturbing post I've ever read.

Alex Jones (31:40)

We'll pull it up.

Jordan (31:41)

I killed Jesus.

Alex Jones (31:43)

Straight up. Hormuz. Allah is great. Just, just, you know, I'm going to totally destroy you. It's just foaming at the mouth.

Marjorie Taylor Greene (31:51)

Yeah. It's unacceptable.

Dan (31:52)

Yeah, no shit. So in case you missed that one, Trump's post from Easter morning was quote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the fucking street, you crazy bastards, or you'll be living in hell. Just watch. Praise be to Allah.

Jordan (32:09)

President Donald Trump, he is risen. Oh, my God.

Dan (32:12)

Honestly, that's one of the craziest things anyone has ever said because it just has too many layers to it. Yeah. He's threatening war crimes by targeting civilian infrastructure, which is in itself a terrorist act. He's saying fucking and bastards at 8am on Easter morning. He's throwing in completely unnecessary lines like, just watch. And there will be nothing like it. And it's all. That's all just filler.

Jordan (32:34)

Yeah.

Dan (32:34)

And then the praise be to Allah is almost mind melting. What could he possibly have meant by that? Is it trolling a presumably Christian president saying praise be to Allah on Easter morning is so weird that it's confusing.

Jordan (32:48)

Yeah.

Dan (32:49)

Naturally, you read something like that full post and you're immediately horrified by the intent to kill that he's expressing. But then you have to take a step back and look at it like it's a Magic Eye poster. It's crazy.

Jordan (33:00)

Yeah. Yeah, man. You know? Yeah. I, I can't. Okay. All right. This is the thing. This is the thing that's gonna kill me in the next. In the next five years. I'm going to die because of this thing that everyone is going to do to me all the time. Everyone is going to do this thing to me. Just like Alex going like, this guy is crazy. He's nothing like this or anything like that. In order to justify how he thought previously and how he doesn't have to change his thinking in the present due to the things that happened. Right?

Dan (33:32)

Y.

Jordan (33:32)

How many times, how many times did I talk to one of those fucking journalists? And I was like, hey, call these idiots Nazis. Call them Nazis. Just do it. And they were like, no, these Nazis said not even Hitler about that Nazi. Not even Hitler.

Dan (33:48)

Right.

Jordan (33:48)

And they're going to come at me and say, no, we were totally right. What we did at the time was right.

Dan (33:53)

Well, because Trump changed.

Jordan (33:54)

Exactly.

Dan (33:56)

Except he did.

Jordan (33:56)

Today is the day he finally became president is what happened.

Dan (33:59)

There is a clip. It wasn't really like worth cutting, but there was a moment where Trump or Alex actually said that Trump needs to be presidential.

Jordan (34:07)

Oh my God.

Dan (34:08)

And it's just like, come on, man,

Jordan (34:09)

I'm just gonna die. I'm just gonna die.

Dan (34:11)

Yeah. And like, I think that it's great that MTG doesn't like this post and those other ones, but, you know, whatever. But she can cut it out with this act. Like it's exactly what you're talking about. Like, I'm not going to sit here and pretend like Trump hasn't been this person the whole time.

Roger Stone (34:26)

You don't.

Dan (34:26)

So we're not gonna launder your. Like what sounds good that you're saying now yesterday exists.

Jordan (34:34)

Either say we fucked up or shut up. That's it.

Dan (34:38)

So after he plays the Marjorie Taylor Greene interview, Alex reveals that the Lord has blessed him since he came out against Trump.

Alex Jones (34:47)

I wasn't consciously guilty for still supporting Trump cause he was doing so much good. I don't wanna throw the baby out of the bathwater though it was still critical. But in six months, and I've always slept great. Seven, eight hours, non stop great. Last six months. I've had trouble sleeping since I've come out directly against what Trump's doing. I slept 10 hours last night, nine or 10 hours night before. I feel so good at a gut level doing this. At the end of the day, that's what matters. Second, intellectually look at something and it's the right thing to do and my conscious helps me do it. But man, when I feel great about something, that's why I do this. Because it feels good to tell the truth.

Dan (35:22)

I don't believe this sleep thing is real. It's just a way for Alex to reinforce that he did the right thing by calling for Trump to be taken out of office with the 25th Amendment. But Alex doesn't feel good when he does the right thing. When he experiences things he Likes, he defines them as that good feeling. He defines that feeling as, oh, I must have done the right thing.

Jordan (35:44)

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan (35:45)

There is no right or wrong for him. It's all conditional. And then, after the fact, whatever choice he ends up making will matter magically have been correct and the heroic option for him to make.

Jordan (35:54)

It's crazy how it works.

Dan (35:55)

Yeah. Every time he writes his own myths in reverse. Yeah, that's. It's fun. It's cute.

Jordan (36:01)

I do. I do appreciate this. Try this, like, late in the game, like, oh, I slept well. Like, wow.

Alex Jones (36:10)

Wow.

Jordan (36:11)

So you've been doing. How many years have you not been sleeping well, if that's where we're at.

Dan (36:15)

Well, the guilt of being the giant piece of shit.

Jordan (36:18)

Right.

Dan (36:19)

Probably weighs on you.

Jordan (36:20)

Yeah, I bet.

Dan (36:21)

So at this point, we enter some waters that are a little bit dark.

Jordan (36:28)

We enter the danger zone.

Dan (36:29)

Yes. And I can only sum things up like this.

Jordan (36:32)

Okay.

Alex Jones (36:32)

Big stuff's coming. I can feel we're on the cusp of something, Daniel.

Dan (36:36)

Yeah, me too. Me, too. There is. We're just on the cusp,

Jordan (36:42)

man. The worst thing that ever happened was dark journalists showing up for hours.

Dan (36:46)

Well, get this. It's not dark journalist.

Jordan (36:49)

Oh.

Alex Jones (36:50)

All right. So I'm a fan of Dark Waters journalist researcher James Williams. I saw him a few years ago, but I watch him every couple days now and went back, started watching his older shows. He was, like, seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, talking about the fake alien invasion, how it's demonic, how it's interdimensional, which I've been laying out as well.

Dan (37:09)

So Dark Waters, AKA James Williams, has been on the show before, but. And this time, Alex keeps talking to, like. Like, right now, he's constantly hanging out with dark journalists. We can't do this.

Jordan (37:22)

You can't have two darks.

Alex Jones (37:23)

No, no.

Dan (37:24)

Two space dipshittery experts, both with names that start with we can't do it.

Jordan (37:28)

No. Can't handle it.

Dan (37:29)

If you've forgotten, Dark Waters is a guy who has a YouTube channel where he would talk about Cryptids and read scary stories, which turned into a stream that involves politics and religion. I watched a little bit of it the last time he's on, and it's not very good. A lot of this stuff seems obsessed with a Cryptid named the Dog Man.

Jordan (37:45)

Ooh.

Dan (37:47)

His videos have a pretty small audience. So if Alex is having him on, it either means that Alex will have anyone on or that this is more brokered programming. Sure. Or he agreed to the interview thinking it was dark Journalist.

Jordan (37:58)

That is entirely possible.

Dan (37:59)

He just might have seen the dark and be like, all right, that's cool.

Jordan (38:02)

Or Dark Waters finally found the Dogman and is going to meet the most dangerous thing. There we go.

Dan (38:10)

So I've become a dark journalist guy.

Jordan (38:13)

You're a dj, D. Yeah. You're a dj, Dan.

Dan (38:16)

Yeah. And so I can't really get excited when Dark Waters comes on.

Jordan (38:20)

Right.

Dan (38:21)

I was wrong.

Jordan (38:22)

You were wrong.

Dan (38:22)

I was unfamiliar with what he was going to bring to the table.

Jordan (38:25)

Okay. And we're really doing aliens, huh?

Dan (38:29)

This ain't aliens, man.

Jordan (38:30)

Oh, okay.

Alex Jones (38:32)

But I came in here, I didn't look at the notes he sent, and I saw what he was saying about, we cannot abandon Trump now. Trump is a weapon of God's hand. No peace between Israel and Iran. A fat a fast must be called from the throne of power. What is Trump contending with? And I've literally tried to get people that are defending Trump and what is going on on the show, because I really wanted to hear from them, not to beat them up. They won't do it.

Dan (38:56)

Oh, that's that. I thought the leftists were the ones who wouldn't come and debate.

Jordan (39:00)

Didn't you. Didn't you have tapes of your own show from the past? You could just play those at yourself.

Dan (39:05)

That would be. That's an option.

Jordan (39:07)

Yeah.

Dan (39:07)

So, yeah. Dark Waters.

Jordan (39:09)

Dark Waters is still on the Trump

Dan (39:11)

train, and he's calling for a fast

Jordan (39:13)

and he's rhyming every now and again.

Dan (39:15)

He has a position that basically, we prayed for Trump. Trump is a weapon.

Jordan (39:22)

Yeah.

Dan (39:22)

We can't let other people use this weapon.

Jordan (39:24)

All right, that's fair.

Alex Jones (39:26)

It is.

Jordan (39:27)

That is fair. No, no, no. That is. That is the one position I think I would accept. This is what we prayed for. Let's ride it out. Yeah, that's fine.

Dan (39:35)

We have just lost our grip on the weapon.

Jordan (39:38)

Yeah, that. Yeah. All right, all right, I'll take that.

Dark Waters (39:41)

That people have is. And we expressed this. The last time I was on the show with you, I said that you were a watcher, and the watchers are people on the wall who see the enemy coming. And that watcher's job is to identify to the king, hey, we have a problem. So you've been doing what you're supposed to do as a watcher. You're being attacked because you were a watcher. Ladies and gentlemen, I need you to remember people made prayers for Donald Trump to be President of the United States.

Jordan (40:03)

Yeah.

Dark Waters (40:04)

It's not like Donald just became president by happenstance. This was something that we all prayed for for him to be the President of the United States. And so now we have a situation where the man that we pray for, who has an anointing from God. And Alex, you can attest to this. You've seen this, that Donald Trump has an anointing that dethroned 100 supernatural.

Alex Jones (40:23)

And it's not him, it's God.

Jordan (40:24)

You're back on the train.

Dark Waters (40:25)

Supernatural, Walker, Ruby, that was it. Trump debate.

Jordan (40:28)

That's all it took.

Dan (40:29)

Gone.

Alex Jones (40:30)

Hillary Clinton, Boom, gone.

Dark Waters (40:31)

Everybody that's ever risen against Donald Trump and contested against him goes down. So what do you do with a man like Donald Trump who has an anointing from God that you can't defeat? You bubble wrap him, you control him, you point him like a weapon at who you want him to hit. And the problem that I have as a Christian, is we, as the body of Christ in this nation, we don't understand that that is a weapon that God gave to us. And we have to fight for our weapon. We have to fight for control of our weapon. We can't just hand it over and throw up our hands and be like, oh, he pissed me off and it's done. We can't do that.

Dan (41:06)

Makes sense.

Jordan (41:07)

I. Okay, it does. It. How about this? There is a through line.

Dan (41:12)

Yeah.

Jordan (41:12)

And it, it follows. Everything follows from one to the other. But if you listen to that man and understand that what he is talking about is supposed to be the real world, it should not surprise you that the president this man desires is shouting shit like, I will end a civilization

Dan (41:27)

and spoiler alert for later. I don't think that Dark Waters has that much problem with that.

Jordan (41:31)

I wouldn't be. No, you can't.

Alex Jones (41:33)

I mean, if.

Jordan (41:33)

Yeah, yeah.

Dan (41:34)

And I think that fact that it does kind of make sense in terms of like a position someone who likes Trump should have.

Jordan (41:41)

Yeah.

Alex Jones (41:41)

Yeah.

Dan (41:41)

It just highlights how much Alex doesn't make sense.

Jordan (41:44)

Yeah. Yeah.

Dan (41:45)

Because he's crazy.

Jordan (41:46)

He's.

Dan (41:46)

Waters is crazy.

Jordan (41:47)

Absolutely nuts.

Dan (41:48)

But it makes so much more sense than Alex.

Jordan (41:50)

No, that. But, you know, it's like if, if you start from nuts, but then you have a through line.

Alex Jones (41:56)

I don't know, maybe you'll.

Jordan (41:57)

Maybe you'll make it through to the, to the same side. You don't know.

Dan (42:00)

Sure.

Jordan (42:00)

Right. But if you start with no. Well, you do know. But if you're just like, I'll try and do anything, you're gonna lose. You're gonna lose.

Dan (42:08)

Yeah. So Dark Water has an explanation for what's going on and why the Weapon has been taken from them. Jesus, no.

Alex Jones (42:15)

Oh.

Dan (42:16)

I regret to inform you that witches are back.

Jordan (42:18)

Oh, hell, yeah.

Dark Waters (42:19)

The president has been under the greatest witchcraft attack that you. Anybody's ever seen. That man is isolated. That man is alone. And the worst part about it, we

Alex Jones (42:28)

should be praying for him. I agree. I said it some, but we should be totally praying for him because it's a battle over him right now. Just like, yeah, the angels of the devil fought over Elijah's body.

Dark Waters (42:38)

Moses's body. Yep, Moses body.

Alex Jones (42:40)

Sorry, you're right. Moses body.

Dark Waters (42:42)

And watch this. Understand this, ladies and gentlemen, the. The seat of presidency of the United States, the presidential seat is a throne of power. Men sit in that throne of power, and they retain power for a while. It's why Barack Hussein Obama didn't leave D.C. with the first time Donald Trump came in, because he's setting the throne of power. So here we get what you get, a Christian president, whereby I say, oh, he not Christian.

Roger Stone (43:07)

He.

Dark Waters (43:07)

In the Epstein files, we get a Christian president that comes in, who sits

Alex Jones (43:11)

in the throne, rallies. Nobody did it. He. He does the right legislation. He did the actual action.

Dark Waters (43:17)

Right. He sits in the throne of power. He comes under assault, and then everybody's like, my God, we're going to abandon him. No, we cannot abandon President Donald Trump. I'm sorry.

Dan (43:27)

So I'm hearing this, and I'm flashing back to at the beginning of this interview, Alex said that he's tried to get pro Trump people to come on the show and none of them will.

Jordan (43:34)

Yep.

Dan (43:35)

That leads me to believe that the best pro Trump argument someone is willing to make publicly on Alex's show is that Trump is under the sway of witches.

Jordan (43:42)

Yeah.

Dan (43:43)

This reflects poorly on Trump and on Alex's booking department. This is. This is rough times.

Jordan (43:50)

Well, I do like that there is some. There is a layer of, like, actual wisdom below the witchcraft of, like. Yeah, if you isolate and fucking drive a man crazy, don't be surprised when he goes crazy. And it's like, yeah, that does make sense. But also, what if witches were involved?

Dan (44:07)

It's the greatest witchcraft attack that anyone has ever been.

Jordan (44:12)

I would like. I would like a ranking of previous. Like in the Ocean's eleven, you know, it was like, these are the people who got the closest to stealing from a casino. I would like a ranking of the greatest witchcraft attacks up until this point.

Dan (44:25)

Right, sure. Well, here's what I. Here's what just immediately came to mind. And I think that it's tough because the closest you can get to pulling this off or whatever. I think that's quantifiable.

Jordan (44:36)

Okay.

Dan (44:36)

With witchcraft attacks, there's an art to it. Sure. So you. You're going to have a lot of debate between what's the greatest witchcraft.

Jordan (44:44)

Sure, sure, sure.

Dan (44:44)

Because some of them. Some of them are like.

Jordan (44:46)

That's a good question. Is it the largest? Is it the most? I don't know. Is it the one that is most in essence of witching? You know, the one that makes people most feel witchy?

Dan (44:58)

Yeah. It reminds me of something I saw when I was in Santa Claus, Indiana, and that was that they have a Santa Claus hall of fame and there is a dispute.

Jordan (45:06)

Oh, my God. Yes, they do.

Dan (45:07)

There's a dispute between various people who have been like, the official Santa.

Jordan (45:11)

Oh, my God.

Dan (45:12)

Of who was the, like, best Santa.

Jordan (45:14)

Oh, my God.

Dan (45:15)

Some of them are like, this guy embodied Santa. The best. I mean, but this guy was the original.

Jordan (45:20)

Listen, listen.

Dan (45:21)

That's how it is with witchcraft attacks.

Jordan (45:23)

If you've got it. If you've got. If Santa was your thing. Yeah. You got to fight for that territory. You got to fight for it.

Alex Jones (45:29)

I'm.

Jordan (45:30)

People might say this is a petty fight. Disagree. You own that Santa Claus suit? Mm, yep.

Dan (45:35)

Yeah. It's as good a use of time as talking about witches.

Jordan (45:38)

Yeah.

Dan (45:39)

So Trump, slaughter this witchcraft attack.

Jordan (45:42)

Sure.

Dan (45:42)

And the only way that we're gonna be able to stop this is if someone in a seat of power calls for a fast.

Jordan (45:49)

Hell, yeah. Wait, what?

Alex Jones (45:50)

How do we break that control?

Dark Waters (45:53)

The way you break that control is what the Bible told us to do and what we've seen. When David sinned with Bathsheba, David ended up calling for a fast and making sacrifices under God. When Hezekiah was having trouble, they went on a fast. What has to happen is there needs to be a fast from one of the thrones of power in this nation. It can be J.D. vance, who's a Christian. Hey, we're gonna do a three day fast and pray for the President. It could be Susie Wiles who's in the throne of the. Whatever her position is, is like the chief have. Hey, we can. We can do a three day fast for the President of the United States to break this off of him. It could be his wife, it could be his oldest son. It could be anybody that sits in power close to him and pray for the man and fast. Make a sacrifice to the Lord and we can repent and say, hey, Lord, we're wrong. This is up we went.

Alex Jones (46:42)

Trump's turning around before it can be done.

Dan (46:44)

So I Think that there's something, like, very wormy about Alex with, like, just like, oh, we can save this. But then with. As far as Dark Waters goes, I don't think a fast is gonna help. Probably, but let's take all of the magic out of it. He's still advocating for people in positions of high office to do something that acknowledges we should take this seriously.

Jordan (47:08)

At the very least, he's asking people to do anything. Yeah, I'm asking you just to not eat for a day.

Dan (47:14)

Treat this. We need someone in a powerful position to treat this. Not like normal time.

Jordan (47:19)

How about some urgency? How about some urgency?

Dan (47:21)

Maybe if that urgency is expressed by let's not eat for three days, it's

Jordan (47:25)

better than nothing, I guess. Or, I mean nothing. Nothing is better than the something.

Dan (47:31)

So I hate to say that, like, you know, what he says makes sense, but it does. It does more than Alex.

Jordan (47:38)

You know, when I listen to him, I immediately go back to the 16th century, right? And I'm seeing all these Bibles start to pop up, and I'm the Catholic Church, and I'm like, dude, dude, you do not know what you're unleashing. We got to destroy these printing presses. You don't know what's going to happen. And all of their reasons they thought made sense, right? All the things that they were like, oh, I'm so scared that this is going to happen or we're going to lose power. We're going to lose all that stuff. Right. Completely wrong. Here's what happens. That guy. That guy starts talking about Hezekiah taking a fast in 2026. You fucked up Gutenberg.

Dan (48:12)

And Susie Wiles can do it because she's in some office of power. What?

Jordan (48:17)

Exactly. Oh, boy.

Dan (48:20)

So Dark Waters has some scripture that he wants to get into.

Jordan (48:23)

I knew he would.

Dan (48:24)

Yeah, of course. Yeah.

Dark Waters (48:25)

We have to battle for him. Watch this. I'm gonna give you another scripture. I want you to. I want you to hear this. Watch Jeremiah 50 and tell me if this is not what Donald Trump has been doing over.

Alex Jones (48:35)

51, 20, 23. Go ahead.

Dark Waters (48:37)

All right. Thou art my battle axe and my weapon of war.

Jordan (48:40)

Hell, yeah.

Dark Waters (48:41)

For with thee I will break in pieces the nation. And with thee I will destroy kingdoms. And with thee I will break in pieces the horse and the rider. And with thee I will break in pieces the chariot in the rider. And with thee also will I break in pieces the man and the woman. And with thee I will break in pieces old and young. And with thee will I break in pieces the young man I will burn around to the ground also in pieces with the. The shepherd and his flock. And with thee will I break the peace. In pieces the husband man and his yoke of oxen. And the. And with the. And with thee will I break in pieces. Captains and rulers, what has Donald Trump been doing on behalf of this nation? Wrecking shot. The man is a giant wrecking ball. He's a battle ax of the Lord. In fact, every.

Alex Jones (49:29)

Alex, you're a battle ax.

Dark Waters (49:32)

Just running around wrecking.

Jordan (49:33)

Everybody run around.

Dark Waters (49:34)

I'm a battle ax. Every Christian is called to be one of the Lord's battle acts.

Dan (49:38)

Axes.

Dark Waters (49:38)

So when our. If we have this beautiful, you know, vintage battle ax that's chopped off millions of heads and won millions of victories, but the handle breaks, do we throw that ax, that battle axe away? No, we fix the handle.

Dan (49:51)

You know, it was a battle ax.

Jordan (49:52)

That is a terrible analogy.

Dan (49:54)

Mother in law.

Jordan (49:54)

Yay. Nice, Nice. We've done stand up.

Dark Waters (49:59)

So.

Dan (50:01)

Yeah, this is. That's an interesting scripture.

Jordan (50:03)

I mean, it sounds hardcore. It sounds metal as fuck, so I'm down for that one. It's metal, but also probably not the one that I want some people hanging around with.

Dan (50:16)

Sure, sure. I think some people could take you are a battle axe the wrong way.

Jordan (50:20)

It probably goes the wrong way from

Dan (50:22)

time to time, but it's an important beginning to something that is fucking insane.

Jordan (50:29)

Okay.

Dan (50:30)

And that happens in this next clip. Mic down for this.

Jordan (50:34)

Okay.

Dark Waters (50:35)

There's these false expectations we have, although all the information is in front of us, so. People mad at Mark Levin. I expect Mark Levin to be a rank devil. Sorry, I just expect him to behave like a rank devil.

Alex Jones (50:46)

Hold on. Pastor James Williams, Dark Water. Stop this literally. Rob, dude just walked in. Or a news director in her 20 year, 18 years. He just walked in. This was delivered to the door by FedEx two minutes ago. You talk about a biblical sign. This was just delivered to the door by FedEx two minutes ago. Rob, you just ran in here, you got a letter. What does this say? I mean, this is biblical. This is. This is why God works. Somebody got touched by God days. I'm crying right now to mail this. This literally just showed up. FedEx. Rob, come here. Sit down. Read this. What the hell's going on here? He just said. I mean, literally, as you said, battle axe. FedEx arrived. What the.

Jordan (51:29)

This is so. So literally about 10 minutes ago, the guy who runs the business side of things brought this to me. Because usually we don't. We don't bring things over like this, but he goes, this just came in. He said, it's a battle ax. I couldn't believe it. I heard you talking about it, Pastor.

Dan (51:43)

Someone sent a battle ax.

Jordan (51:45)

What?

Dan (51:45)

Showed up right when Dark Waters read a verse about the battle axe.

Jordan (51:51)

That's unacceptable.

Dan (51:53)

Yeah, That's.

Jordan (51:54)

That.

Dan (51:54)

It's also very unconvincing. Community theater level performance. That's being unfair to community theater.

Jordan (52:00)

Yeah, yeah. Now that's pathetic. They it. No, no, no, no, no, no. Not doing that. No. Refuse.

Dan (52:09)

So I played the clip of Dark Waters reading that battle X related verse earlier for a reason, and that was because Alex said overhead shot during it, and that flashed up on screen his notes.

Alex Jones (52:20)

One of the things.

Dan (52:23)

One of the things he printed out for the day was a page of talking points that Dark Waters had sent him to cover, one of which was the line that Trump is, quote, not a politician, a battle axe. And as Christians, so are we. They knew in advance that Dark Waters was going to read a Bible verse about battle axes. So I can't help but think that they just had an ax that a listener sent them at some point in the past and they're pretending that it just showed up. Yeah. The problem is that Alex and Dew are asking, or they're acting like this is amazing, but they're not acting like it's amazing enough. If an axe arrived at Infowars the moment a guy was being interviewed about God calling Trump to be a battle axe, they should be losing their fucking minds because this is playing out live. This is, in effect, a miracle.

Jordan (53:08)

No. The Crusades started for less. Yes.

Dan (53:12)

The production notes for this episode that Alex accidentally puts on camera kind of make it a little too obvious that they could have faked this really easily. Also, when Dew sits down and reads this person's letter who sent the axe, they show his whole address and phone number, which is not cool. You have to be more correct and careful about protecting people's privacy when you're doing fake miracles as publicity stunts.

Jordan (53:34)

Wild.

Dan (53:35)

But. Yeah, that's crazy.

Jordan (53:39)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I was. I was kind of interested in that. Like, okay, we just rewatched that Amazing Race season with the. The long lost twins.

Dan (53:49)

I think there's more than one, I'm sure.

Jordan (53:51)

See, that's the problem. Yeah, that's.

Dan (53:53)

But the young ladies. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that one.

Jordan (53:56)

Always, always, always on the side of long lost twins, of course. But then these two people said something that made me want to start a riot. And then. And everybody just acted like it was totally fine. And they were like, we both feed. We both eat two hard boiled eggs in the morning and we feed the second one to our dog independently. They both came up with this very extremely specific thing that they do together. And they're twins and that's fucked up. It's unacceptable that that is allowed to happen on this earth. And then everybody's just like, ah, whatever. Weird coincidence like that. No.

Dan (54:34)

Well, I think that in cases like this, and I don't want to impugn their storytelling.

Dark Waters (54:38)

Sure.

Dan (54:38)

But I think that there might be a situation where one of them did it regularly and one of them might have done it before. And when they talk, the one who does it regularly tells this. This piece of their. Their history. And the other one's like, oh, my God, I do that too.

Jordan (54:53)

Right, right.

Dan (54:54)

And it becomes a piece of the lore.

Jordan (54:55)

Of course.

Dan (54:56)

You know, like.

Jordan (54:56)

Absolutely.

Dan (54:57)

I think that people have a tendency to do that kind of stuff.

Jordan (55:00)

This is what I'm saying. It needs to be addressed.

Dan (55:02)

No, it doesn't. Not that one. Because it's cute. Let people have it. Let people have the mythology of their relationships. That's fine. This is faking a miracle on air in order to push Trump.

Jordan (55:18)

I don't know if it gets more blasphemous than faking a miracle other than doing it on air, I mean. Also, while fake crying and probably praying. I'm assuming he's praying.

Dan (55:29)

We might get some prayer a little bit.

Jordan (55:31)

There we go.

Dan (55:32)

There is. There's also a element of it that Trump has just threatened to genocide Iran and Alex has said he got much better sleep cuz God made him feel better after he called for the 25th Amendment.

Jordan (55:44)

Yep.

Dan (55:45)

So this is kind of all over the place.

Jordan (55:47)

It's very strange. It's a strange day.

Dan (55:48)

Yeah.

Jordan (55:49)

Yep.

Dan (55:50)

So lest you think that Alex has faked this, he reassures everyone that he did not.

Jordan (55:54)

Oh, thank you.

Dan (55:55)

Read these notes before the show.

Jordan (55:56)

I was worried God told him to

Alex Jones (55:58)

do this just for this moment so people see how real God is. Look at. That's another miracle right there.

Jordan (56:03)

Yeah, that's. That's pretty crazy. And the blood coming off the cross. There it is right there. That's gorgeous.

Dark Waters (56:12)

Wow. Wow.

Alex Jones (56:15)

And I didn't read what you said till 10 minutes before you came on.

Jordan (56:18)

No, I just. I mean, I just got it and walked in here. I'm like, this needs to go on the air. It was a sign from God.

Dark Waters (56:25)

I tell you what, let me do something. We. We need to give God some glory right now.

Alex Jones (56:29)

Oh, this is good.

Jordan (56:31)

Fire. Wow.

Dark Waters (56:35)

Everywhere. Oh, oh, fire, Holy ghost, fire burn.

Jordan (56:42)

Are you making that up?

Dan (56:43)

I don't. I'm not sure. I don't know. But he goes on a bit. The lyrics don't evolve.

Jordan (56:48)

Are you freestyling that? Are you just throwing that off the dome? Is that what we're doing here?

Dan (56:53)

I was watching this and I was like, oh, my God, you just started singing. This is awesome.

Jordan (56:59)

Amazing, amazing.

Dan (57:00)

They faked a miracle and now he's singing the Holy Ghost Firebird.

Jordan (57:04)

Yeah. This is the type of cheap shit I've been waiting for. This is what I am here for. I'm sick of the past, last. What, year and a half, two years of shit. I'm out here for this, baby.

Dan (57:15)

Oh, yeah.

Jordan (57:16)

Give me that. Dark Waters.

Dan (57:17)

So after Dark Waters sings a little bit, he does a prayer with Alex in order to free Trump from the control of the witches.

Dark Waters (57:24)

Good Lord, we decree and declare as the Ecclesia. Now in the name of Jesus Christ, that every form of witchcraft, sorcery and divination has been cast against our president is now broken. And we invoke and plead the blood of Jesus Christ against it. Lord. Lord, the his realm of thoughts, in his realm of imaginations. Lord, we invoke and plead the blood of Jesus Christ over that. And we decree and declare freedom for his mind, freedom for his heart, freedom from his soul. Freedom from his soul that they've tried to hang.

Alex Jones (57:51)

And everyone must join us and pray for Trump right now. We're going to break this demonic spell right now. The name of Jesus.

Dark Waters (57:57)

Break it now in the name of Jesus Christ. Lord, we thank you and we praise you and we honor you for this great opportunity.

Dan (58:04)

It's a great opportunity to free Trump from the spell of the demonic witches.

Jordan (58:08)

Sure.

Dan (58:09)

This is important.

Jordan (58:10)

I wonder about the mindset of a God if you think that an increase in oratory skill is going to also increase your likelihood of receiving what you desire from said God. Right?

Dan (58:23)

I don't know. I mean, Alex is a rich tradition of that, like, sovereign citizen stuff, like the technicalities and capital letters.

Jordan (58:30)

That's what I'm saying.

Dan (58:31)

Yeah. So maybe he does think, like, we gotta speak this real well.

Jordan (58:34)

Totally, totally. That's what I'm saying. I'm thinking about the mindset of the God in this situation. What's up with this dude?

Dan (58:41)

He's a stickler for pronunciation.

Jordan (58:43)

Right.

Dan (58:43)

And which languages are the best for

Jordan (58:45)

him, you know what I'm saying? Are we talking somebody who's speaking in this language is better at. Just by virtue of the language they're speaking.

Dan (58:53)

Well, I think it's obvious that English is the best.

Jordan (58:58)

Sure. I mean, come on.

Dan (58:59)

And you might argue that, like, oh, these holy texts, they weren't written in English. Right?

Jordan (59:03)

Sure, there is that.

Dan (59:04)

But English. Do you think it's a coincidence that every language can be translated into English? That's God.

Jordan (59:18)

No other language. That's the best thing I've ever heard. That's the best argument I've ever heard for anything in my life. I make too much sense.

Alex Jones (59:25)

I submit.

Dan (59:25)

Admit you can't go French to Russian. You have to go French to English, English to Russian.

Jordan (59:31)

I'm on board with this. God. Now, it happened fast.

Dan (59:34)

So God came to this guy months ago.

Jordan (59:38)

Right.

Dan (59:39)

And told him to make this axe.

Jordan (59:40)

Yep.

Dan (59:41)

Specifically so it would arrive while Dark Waters was on this show, speaking his prophecy.

Jordan (59:48)

Very specific.

Alex Jones (59:49)

But how crazy is this? Just delivered in the last 30 minutes. Rob's delivered it 10 minutes ago. He's watching them on battle axes. They walk in with this thing, and the man says, I was told by God in Oklahoma, make this for you. Like, close encounter for you. He's told him to make the mountain. I. I had to send this to you. And my son said, send it. And it perfectly arrives right as you're talking about it. That is the power of God literally telling us that your message was true. God obviously knows the future. Foresaw all this moment to back up what you just said.

Dark Waters (60:17)

Yep. Watch this.

Dan (60:19)

J.D.

Dark Waters (60:19)

vance, watch this. Wows. Caroline Lovett. Every Christian inside the White House call a fast. You can just have the fast. You can call the fast of the ecclesia. The entire church to fast.

Alex Jones (60:33)

And that's. Oh, my God, you just said it. God's whole point was to make them listen to you about the fast.

Jordan (60:37)

Call the fast.

Dark Waters (60:38)

And so God literally just took a

Alex Jones (60:40)

highlight of everything you just said in God's plan. Literally had someone make this months ago, be pushed by God, and son said, send it now to perfectly arrive. Not last week, not yesterday, today, 20 minutes ago. Rob do see it delivered it, saying, this is for Alex. How he talked the guy. The guy that delivered didn't even know this was going on.

Jordan (60:59)

Perfect.

Alex Jones (61:00)

That's God's perfection right there. You just.

Jordan (61:03)

Is that it?

Dark Waters (61:05)

Yep.

Alex Jones (61:06)

And look at how badass it is.

Dan (61:08)

It's also a badass ax.

Jordan (61:10)

All right, so here's the. Here's the other problem with this God. I get you the oration. English, obviously. Your argument is fantastic.

Dan (61:17)

Thank you.

Jordan (61:17)

This particular situation, especially the way that Alex is describing it, it has the feel of a God on the couch with another dude going like, you are not going to believe this shit. Check this out. I fucking mailed this shit. You're not going to believe this. They're going to go crazy.

Dan (61:30)

It's like, it brings to mind people who set up elaborate dominoes.

Jordan (61:36)

Yeah.

Dan (61:36)

You know, like, in order to watch

Jordan (61:37)

them, you got to. You got to get something else to do with your life, man.

Dan (61:40)

It's a hobby.

Jordan (61:41)

It is a hobby, but I don't like that the battle ax in my life is involved.

Dan (61:47)

I think that Alex is convincing

Jordan (61:51)

Rob Dew. That is nuts. Wow.

Dan (61:55)

I mean, there is a chance that, like, unbeknownst to us, Rob Dew is like an acid casualty or something like that. And like, he just doesn't have any affect.

Jordan (62:05)

What's in there? Yeah, what's in there do.

Dan (62:07)

So maybe he is freaking out, but he just can't express it.

Jordan (62:09)

That's possible. I don't know.

Dan (62:11)

But I will say I have to. While we're on the subject of experts that Alex has on whose names start in dark.

Jordan (62:18)

Yes.

Dan (62:19)

I like, watch this as a catchphrase. Much better than dark journalists. No question about it.

Jordan (62:26)

Right, right, right. No, watch. This is great. Watch. This is one of the best things to say. Watch. This is always great because either it is somebody who's about to do something cool or somebody who's about to fail in a cool way. Yeah, it's going to be great.

Dan (62:39)

Yeah. I think that I say look and listen a bit, you know, And I don't. I don't generally mean them to be like, like emphatic aggressive. It's.

Jordan (62:49)

Look, watch this. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Watch this.

Dan (62:52)

I think it's great.

Jordan (62:52)

Watch this. Comes with a smile.

Dan (62:54)

Yeah, watch this. So, God, there's a lot of dominoes here.

Jordan (62:59)

Sure.

Dan (63:00)

And one of them, it turns out, was picking Dark Water's wardrobe.

Dark Waters (63:05)

Before I come on the show, I'm sitting. I said, God, what do you want me to do? He said, I want you to give him the scriptures and send them everything that you're going to talk about.

Alex Jones (63:12)

About.

Dark Waters (63:12)

And I was like, you sure I need to do that and send it to him? And then I. I have one thing. He said, no, give the scriptures on

Alex Jones (63:17)

it because you didn't do that last time.

Dark Waters (63:20)

Yeah, I didn't.

Alex Jones (63:21)

Right.

Jordan (63:21)

Are we doing this?

Dark Waters (63:22)

That's what he told me to do. He's like, come on, man. And I was like, okay. Gave him scriptures. And I shot it off to my producer. My producer shot it off to your producer. And like, okay. And Then he was like, now go sit down and relax and get ready to go. So I, you know, then I actually. I sat down, I had a different shirt on. He said, no, go put on your. Your sports jacket in a white shirt.

Dan (63:38)

Shirt.

Dark Waters (63:38)

I said, okay.

Jordan (63:39)

What a weird guy.

Dark Waters (63:41)

My thing is, ladies and gentlemen, God will speak to you if you. If you pray to him.

Alex Jones (63:46)

If you. In fact, you rarely wear a sports jacket. I guess God wants to be a special.

Jordan (63:49)

Are we doing this?

Dan (63:50)

He said.

Dark Waters (63:51)

He said, put on the jacket. Put on the shirt. He never says that. Be like, what you. Because I'm. I'll say, lord, what do you want me to wear? Whatever you want to wear. Okay, cool. Okay, cool.

Dan (64:00)

God doesn't generally say you should wear something nice. And I think that that speaks to the fact that God knew that this was going to be a miracle and he wanted him to look nice.

Jordan (64:11)

Yeah.

Dan (64:12)

Like, it's a professional thing. You're going to an award show or something. Dress up.

Jordan (64:15)

Yeah. I like his. I like his extremely personal relationship with God.

Dan (64:20)

Almost too personal.

Jordan (64:21)

Weirdly personal. Sartorial in the closet behind me, kind of.

Dan (64:26)

What do you want me to wear?

Jordan (64:27)

I don't care, buddy. I'm out here. Somebody needs to win a sports game somewhere, and I'm supposed to be doing that. And now I got to tell you to wear a sports jacket. Wear a sports jacket.

Dan (64:36)

Yeah.

Jordan (64:36)

Jesus.

Dan (64:37)

It's. It's good.

Jordan (64:39)

Friends gonna mail you a battle ax. That makes sense.

Dan (64:44)

It's good stuff.

Jordan (64:45)

Yeah, man. People.

Dan (64:47)

So earlier on the show, Alex played his interview with Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Alex Jones (64:51)

Sure.

Dan (64:52)

And she had some problems with Trump's Easter tweet.

Jordan (64:55)

Yeah.

Dan (64:56)

Conversely, Dark Waters loved that shit. He thought it was great.

Jordan (65:00)

Okay.

Dan (65:00)

And Alex is starting to get a little annoyed that Dark Waters is not impressed by the miracle that has just happened.

Dark Waters (65:07)

But you're gonna have to be truthful with the man. If you love him and you're there to serve him, you have to be truthful with him and then let the Lord deal with the rest of it because he's God's anointed, and that's what we have to do. We can't get our feelings hurt because he says mean things. We can't get our feelings hurt because he sent the mean a tweet out on Easter where he was actually act on some Elijah type stuff. When Elijah was. Was against the. The Priestess of Ball on Mount Carmel. He was like, well, where's your God? Is he in the privy? When I read it, I bust out laughing because I said, this dude Is wild.

Jordan (65:39)

I agree with that. I agree with that.

Dark Waters (65:40)

It's like, dang, Donald, you wilding out. So you. Not only you tell me you're gonna throw him up, blow him up.

Dan (65:45)

But you teasing.

Dark Waters (65:45)

Hey, God saying he can't stop you from me from blowing you up. But people don't see it that way. They saw it as, oh, my God,

Alex Jones (65:52)

listen, with us, you got to come back the next week.

Roger Stone (65:54)

Week.

Alex Jones (65:55)

Because you. I'm not mad at you. Kind of moved on from it, which I'm not saying it's bad, but I had you on about the aliens. Right before you send a list and look at it, I'm like, what's this about? God's a battle axe. And we got to. Okay, well, I go, let's go there then, because I want to hear a defense of Trump. I mean, I need that. And then you're like, you're a battle ax, I'm a battle ax. But we have to trumps our battles. We got to fight over the weapon. And then, literally, FedEx pulls up right when you're on. They walk in with a letter saying, God told me to make this battle axe and send it to you as a message to keep fighting. I mean, show the battle axe, folks. That is incredible. This is one of the most incredible things ever.

Dan (66:31)

So Alex is basically saying, one more time with feeling, let's take this again, and let's act like you just saw a miracle, man. You paid for the upgraded package of the miracle package.

Alex Jones (66:46)

Yeah.

Dan (66:47)

You are not playing the game.

Jordan (66:50)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, what do you do? I think that's. You gotta let me in on a game like that, you know, you gotta have a. You can't expect me to improv. You can't expect me to. Yes. And a miracle without going like, buddy, I think this is bullshit, you know?

Dan (67:06)

Yeah. I wonder where the communication point was, like, at what?

Roger Stone (67:11)

Who.

Dan (67:12)

Whose idea was it to, like, kick this up a notch?

Jordan (67:15)

Yep. Yep.

Dan (67:16)

Cause if it was Dark Waters idea, then, like, he is kind of underselling this and he's acting poorly.

Jordan (67:24)

No, you're totally right.

Dan (67:25)

But if this is just something that, like, there was an ax around the office and Rob Dew brought it in.

Jordan (67:30)

Let's throw this out as a game, see what happens.

Dan (67:32)

Then it makes sense that Dark Waters is kind of like, you know, he's rolling with it kind of as well as he can see.

Jordan (67:39)

Look at. I sang. I gave you a little random song. Word.

Dan (67:43)

And if this is Alex's idea.

Jordan (67:45)

Boof.

Dan (67:45)

That's awesome.

Jordan (67:46)

It feels very strongly like, it's come from the Infowars side based upon Alex's fury at not being acknowledged for being the greatest talk show host ever.

Dan (67:58)

Maybe. But, like, I think that that fury could come also from someone who is like, hey, you wanted to do this, and now you're not helping me sell it.

Jordan (68:08)

Totally.

Dan (68:08)

And I think that that would explain the both.

Jordan (68:11)

Both would be very angry making.

Dan (68:13)

Yeah.

Alex Jones (68:13)

Yeah.

Dan (68:14)

So we come to the end of Dark Water's interview, and Alex asks for a prayer on the way out.

Alex Jones (68:20)

Oh, boy, we got a minute left. Lead us in a prayer for Trump's defense and Trump's awakening, defending from these evil people around him. And we take back control through the Holy Spirit that God gets back control of Trump, he gets back under God's control.

Dark Waters (68:31)

Sure. Let's hit it real quick. Lord, we thank you and plead the blood of Jesus Christ over sin, iniquity, and transgression. I speak against our us into the courts of heaven. And, Lord, we honor you because you are our God. You are a rock and our strong tower. You are our deliverer.

Jordan (68:43)

Thanks, buddy.

Dark Waters (68:44)

Lord.

Jordan (68:46)

What up?

Dark Waters (68:46)

Lord, let me say prayer for the Infowars crew. Lord, as Alex Jones is the head of the Infowars crew, Lord, I ask that you give him rest. And, Lord, any wicked spirits that have attached to him or gleamed on to him because of the stress and anxiety that have hit him. Lord, your word says, be ye anxious for nothing, but in all things through prayer and supplication, make your request. Lord, I ask that every request and prayer that the Infowars crew and its members have made unto you. Lord, we ask that according to scripture, you answer those prayers. Lord, the Lord, the spirit of.

Jordan (69:24)

Nope, you hesitated. I don't count your prayer.

Dark Waters (69:27)

Lord, that's trying to attack each and every person in that building like it's outside of the building. Lord, spirit, we bind you now in the name of Jesus Christ.

Dan (69:33)

There hasn't been any mention of alcoholism up till this point.

Jordan (69:36)

Nope.

Dan (69:37)

And it really sounds like he's reading off something. Yeah, Alex cuts him off mid prayer to go to break. So I don't know if he pissed Alex off with that or not, but it felt really weird.

Jordan (69:46)

Yeah.

Dan (69:47)

So unbeknownst to Alex in Dark Waters, right around when they're saying this prayer, reveling in the miracle that is the magic battle axe. Yeah, the witches were planning their counter move.

Jordan (69:59)

Okay.

Dan (70:00)

At 3:28pm on this very day, Trump took to Truth Social and posted the following. I warn you in advance, this is very long.

Jordan (70:11)

Great. Now I'm Stoked.

Alex Jones (70:13)

Yeah.

Dan (70:13)

You have no fucking idea.

Jordan (70:15)

A lot of Trump words. That's what I want to hear.

Dan (70:18)

Quote, I know why Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones have been fighting me for years.

Jordan (70:24)

Oh. Oh, shit. Oh, shit. I was fucking. The checklist. The checklist is happening. It's everything. Everything will be taken from you like a fucking Goethe novel or some shit.

Dan (70:39)

I know that there's gonna be a lot of this and I encourage it. I know why Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens and Alex Jones have been fighting me for years, especially by the fact that they think it is wonderful for Iran, the number one state sponsor of terror, to have a nuclear weapon because they have one thing in common. Low iq. They're stupid people.

Jordan (71:10)

All right, now. Now we're talking. They're stupid people. I don't know what he was saying. My IQ is too low to understand if that's an insult. Now I get it, baby.

Dan (71:20)

They're stupid people. They know it. Their families know it.

Jordan (71:26)

Their families. Their families. Their families do know it, though. Their famil. I will. That's just an honest one.

Dan (71:31)

And everyone else knows it, too. Look at their past. Look at their record. They don't have what it takes and they never did. They've been thrown off television, lost their jobs, and they aren't even invited on TV because no one cares about them.

Jordan (71:52)

For you, for you, for you. All of this was done for you. Just like I told them it would be thrown away. Do that. Oh, my God.

Dan (72:02)

They're dumb.

Jordan (72:03)

They're dumb. They've got low IQs.

Dan (72:05)

They are not jobs. Troublemakers and will say anything for some free and cheap publicity.

Jordan (72:10)

Can't argue that.

Dan (72:11)

Now they think they'll get some clicks because they have third rate podcasts, but nobody's talking about them and their views are the opposite of maga or I wouldn't have won the presidential election in a landslide.

Jordan (72:23)

Wait, I'm confused. I'm confused. Here's. Here's my one point of order, because up to this point. Trump, Trump, I've loved everything you've said so far.

Dan (72:31)

These people are dumb.

Jordan (72:32)

Fantastic.

Dan (72:33)

They are.

Jordan (72:34)

These are solid insults. I do love that you brought their families into it. That's perfect. That's beautiful and sweet. I don't understand this last part.

Dan (72:44)

They're the opposite of maga.

Jordan (72:45)

No, no, no, no, no. You're the president. You can't say no one is talking about them. You are. You're the most person to talk about anybody.

Dan (72:56)

Right? I. Yeah, no, I know. There's an inherent problem with that.

Jordan (72:59)

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You just can't do that. You can just leave that, but leave that one out. You know, you don't need to. That doesn't get in the way of anything else.

Dan (73:04)

Just taking that out stings for these people.

Jordan (73:06)

I get it. I get you. I'm just saying if we're, if we're going for clarity, I'd cut that out.

Dan (73:11)

Listen, there was no editing done on

Jordan (73:13)

I believe that strongly. So long.

Dan (73:14)

I believe that MAGA agrees with me and just gave CNN A 100% approval rating of Trump. But hand flailing fools like Tucker Carlson who couldn't even finish college. He was a broken man when he got fired from Fox and he's never been the same. Perhaps he should see a good psychiatrist.

Jordan (73:37)

Yes, yes, please. Back on it, back on track.

Dan (73:41)

Or Megyn Kelly who nastily attacked me with the now famous only Rosie o' Donnell question. Or crazy Candace Owens. Owens, who accuses the highly respected first lady of France of being a man when she is not and will hopefully win lots of money in the ongoing lawsuit. Okay, actually, to me, the first lady of France is a far more beautiful woman than Candace. In fact, it's not even close.

Jordan (74:09)

See that? This is the type of shit that you can only get from truly crazy. Yes, that's only true crazy. Would have to add that have. I can't listen. I can't not appreciate the beauty of a woman. I, I just got to tell you.

Alex Jones (74:22)

I just got to tell you, to

Dan (74:23)

me, she's hotter than you.

Jordan (74:24)

She's hotter than you. You're ugly.

Dan (74:27)

Or bankrupt. Alex Jones, who says some of the dumbest things and lost his entire fortune as he should have for his horrendous attack on the families of the Sandy Hook shooters.

Jordan (74:38)

Everything, everything will be taken from you. Everything you have loved. I will eat as if you die

Dan (74:45)

ridiculously claiming it was a hoax.

Jordan (74:47)

Oh my God.

Dan (74:48)

These so called pundits are losers and they always will be. Now fake news cnn, the failing New York Times and all the other radical left news organizations are hailing them and giving them positive press for the first time in their lives. They're not maga, they're losers just trying to latch onto maga. Yeah, as president I could get them on my side anytime I wanted to. But when they, I don't return their calls because I'm too busy on world and country affairs. And after a few times they go nasty just like Marjorie Trader Brown. But I no longer care about that stuff. I only care about doing right for Our country.

Jordan (75:28)

See, I got to. I got to edit you down again. See, you totally do. You've just written a very long paragraph. Just cut that. Just cut that little part out. Yeah, just cut that little part out. You don't need it. Move on.

Dan (75:39)

MAGA is about winning and strength and not allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons. MAGA is about making America great again. And these people have no idea to do that.

Alex Jones (75:49)

But I do.

Jordan (75:50)

Okay.

Dan (75:51)

Because the United States is now the hottest country anywhere in the world.

Jordan (75:56)

Wow. What?

Dan (75:57)

President Donald J. Trump.

Jordan (75:59)

That was it. That's the end of it.

Alex Jones (76:01)

Yeah.

Jordan (76:01)

The end of it is the USA is now the hottest country anywhere in the world.

Dan (76:05)

All caps and hottest is in quotes.

Jordan (76:10)

I don't. What.

Dan (76:12)

There's a lot of stuff in here that I tried to accentuate. Like, that is capital letters.

Jordan (76:16)

Yeah. Yeah. He tried to give it a good cold read.

Dan (76:19)

Yeah, it's. It's a mess, man. It's crazy.

Jordan (76:23)

The. The US Is now the hottest country in the.

Dan (76:26)

He says that a bit.

Jordan (76:27)

Hottest country.

Dan (76:28)

Yeah. As opposed to, like, when Biden was in office, we were not cool. We were not happening.

Jordan (76:34)

And he hasn't been 25th Amendment before this. Wild.

Dan (76:38)

So that post, pretty crazy. Pretty good stuff.

Jordan (76:40)

That is. That is. I don't. I don't even. I mean, poetic doesn't describe it. No, poetic does. Poetic can't describe it because it is not poetic.

Alex Jones (76:51)

No.

Dan (76:53)

You know, in a way, it has.

Jordan (76:55)

Sure.

Dan (76:56)

No.

Jordan (76:56)

Beauty is truth, and truth is beauty. That is pretty beautiful.

Dan (77:01)

So we were mid recording our last episode when he posted this. And when I went to lay down for a minute afterwards, I got a text from Amanda with a link to it, and I can't tell you how funny I thought it was. Oh, my God, I was losing my shit.

Jordan (77:15)

Yeah.

Dan (77:15)

There's a surface level to this where this is the first time I can remember Trump acknowledging Alex in public since 2015. And it's a brutal takedown.

Jordan (77:24)

Oh, it's level.

Dan (77:25)

All of the times when he could have, like, said nice things about Alex or boosted his profile a little. Trump was silent. But now this is clear and direct. But there's another level to it, which is that a couple of these insults are exactly the kind of stuff a real asshole would say to get under Alex's skin.

Dark Waters (77:41)

Yep.

Dan (77:42)

Alex has issues with feeling inadequate, particularly in relation to his family, where he has to create a mythical hero out of his dad, and he clearly has no respect for his own son. So Trump saying that his family knows he's stupid is brutal.

Jordan (77:55)

Yeah, that one's heartbreaking.

Dan (77:56)

Alex also has inferiority issues around never really being accepted by the mainstream and media. Trump saying that these people are losers who are kicked off TV or never on because they're irrelevant is an affirmation of one of the deep insecurities Alex has, as demonstrated by his desperate star fucking behavior directed at any celebrities who will pay him any attention.

Jordan (78:17)

Mm.

Dan (78:17)

Finally, making a strong stance like that about Sandy Hook is a haymaker.

Alex Jones (78:22)

Yeah.

Dan (78:22)

Alex's argument about how he got screwed over by the CIA and FBI because he supported Trump is so flimsy that it really requires no one dissenting from it, particularly not someone in Trump's position. This is the guy who Alex was supported. He was supposedly persecuted for supporting. The trials were a witch hunt against Alex, but they were really trying to get a Trump Trump. And here's Trump saying that Alex deserved to be bankrupted for what he said about Sandy Hook and how it was horrendous. And it's an example of Alex, how he says the dumbest things.

Jordan (78:54)

Yep.

Dan (78:55)

As soon as I saw this, I felt something I'd not felt in a while. I had legitimately no idea what Alex was going to do.

Jordan (79:02)

Oh, that's a good point. That's a good question.

Dan (79:05)

There have been times when I felt like I wasn't sure which path he's. He was going to choose. And I've been surprised by the angles he'd picked on some things. Like the Epstein cover up.

Jordan (79:14)

Sure.

Dan (79:14)

This was different. Even as big as the Epstein stuff was with his audience, there was a way to downplay it. This truth social post was a case where there is no response Alex can make. That's a win. And there is no way he can get away with not responding.

Jordan (79:28)

Yeah.

Dan (79:28)

The President just said that he's a liar whose family knows he's dumb, who deserves to lose all his money. And it's happening immediately after Alex and Dark Waters faked a miracle and called for a fast to save Trump from the witches.

Jordan (79:40)

That is. Now, that is poetic. That is a coincidence. That should be a miracle on par with the battle acts if it were actually what it was.

Dan (79:50)

These are the times that try men's souls. Yeah.

Dark Waters (79:52)

What do you do?

Jordan (79:53)

I don't know.

Dan (79:54)

There is not a really good way forward.

Jordan (79:58)

You know, I. When you. There were two things. There were two things that I immediately thought at the end of that. Right. Which is that as devastating as all of those things were, upon further reflection, the most devastating thing that he said is a true thing, which is I can get them whenever I want. I can get them whenever I. That would, that would be like, to me, right? My reaction to this, in, in my head, what Alex has to do is scream, you, me. And now we go. Now we fight. We fight to the death. You and me are now mortal enemies. I will do everything I can to take everything away from you because you said that you can call on me whenever you want, and I can't allow that to be true.

Dan (80:42)

Hey, Trump. I misrepresented or I misinterpreted God's message with the battle X. It's coming for you.

Jordan (80:49)

It's coming for you.

Dan (80:49)

That really should be the only way.

Jordan (80:51)

We are. We are doing this.

Dan (80:54)

So this happens after Alex's show and Harrison is on air on the War Room.

Jordan (81:00)

Nobody brought in a freak. A frantic letter from FedEx. I printed out a part of the Internet for you to see.

Dan (81:06)

No, no. But there is a very clear talking point, okay? And that is that Alex is not mad.

Harrison (81:15)

You're gonna see a bunch of,

Dark Waters (81:18)

for

Harrison (81:19)

lack of a better term, people like Laura Loomer and Mark Levin, you know, sounding off on this in case. As if this is a big, devastating attack. It's just not. That's. That's probably the most pathetic thing about this is, like,

Jordan (81:35)

you get him, Harrison.

Harrison (81:36)

Alex Jones didn't even get angry at this. I'm just saying. I'm just saying.

Jordan (81:41)

He is crying right now.

Harrison (81:43)

Alex Jones, he's sort of known for, just put it mildly, a little bit of a temper. He's got a little bit of a temper. Sometimes I think you'll all know that it's. We appreciate it. It's what makes him him. But, yeah, this, it's not even like, we're not even getting angry. It's just like, okay, I'm sorry this happened to you. Like, this is weird.

Dan (82:05)

Do not tell anyone I'm mad. I'm not mad.

Jordan (82:07)

I cannot.

Dan (82:08)

I've never been mad in my life.

Jordan (82:09)

I, I. This is the most justifiably mad you could ever. This is Highlander shit. There can be only one at the end of this. You or me, not both.

Dan (82:20)

Yeah. Alex has left the studio. Otherwise he probably would have barged in on Harrison and explained how not mad he was.

Jordan (82:26)

Oh, he was mad.

Dan (82:27)

But we got this in instead. And this is convincing. I think that Harrison is really swinging me on the mad thing.

Jordan (82:32)

Anytime I need to be convinced of something, Harrison is the one that's going to do it.

Dan (82:37)

Oh, yeah. Because you know what? Harrison is like. He's to the point.

Jordan (82:41)

Yep.

Dan (82:42)

He also doesn't get bogged down and sounding like a weenie.

Jordan (82:45)

Yeah, that'd be terrible.

Harrison (82:46)

You know, it's like, I guess this is just our lot. It's just our lot in life is we just. We just get not nothing. We just get nothing. We get these people elected, turn around and sell us down the river, and embrace the people who are fighting against him and trying to stop them. It really is pathetic what they've. What they've done to Donald Trump. Very Sad. He's got 5 million followers and he gets 12,000 views and less than 400 likes on this post. They.

Jordan (83:26)

What?

Harrison (83:26)

They're beyond.

Alex Jones (83:27)

What?

Harrison (83:28)

Like, it's not even. Like. Again, I've.

Jordan (83:32)

I've.

Harrison (83:34)

You just really have to think about it.

Dan (83:35)

This has big, nice guys finish last kind of energy. And I'd like to remind Harrison that he works at fucking Infowars and that there's no crying in baseball. The guy who you based your career and identity around promoting just called your boss an idiot who deserves his own destruction. This isn't the time for emo whining about how you always get left at the altar because you're fighting an intergalactic war against the devil nonsense. Cut it out with this shit.

Jordan (84:00)

Pathetic.

Dan (84:00)

I can't imagine that Harrison is thinking anything other than, man, I wish I'd quit in solidarity with Owen.

Jordan (84:06)

Should have done it.

Dan (84:06)

That was a fucking chance to get out of here and I blew it.

Jordan (84:10)

Oh, God, I bet Owen is fucking Owen. Feels probably better than the rest of the world combined. Owen is probably the only person who can truly feel the pure joy. Because we still hate. Yeah, we still have to hate both of these guys. Owen. Owen can truly love this.

Dan (84:26)

He wasn't in that tweet.

Jordan (84:28)

Nope. He's. Oh, man.

Alex Jones (84:29)

Good for.

Jordan (84:30)

Good for him. Hey, the moment he stops being a puppet, things go better for him. Isn't that crazy?

Dan (84:36)

Not much better.

Jordan (84:37)

Hey, listen. But let's not go crazy.

Dan (84:39)

Yeah, it's. You're not going to be as successful, but you'll be a little freer.

Jordan (84:43)

You'll be a little bit freer. You'll probably be a lot happier.

Dan (84:46)

Maybe.

Roger Stone (84:47)

Maybe.

Dan (84:48)

So Harrison whines a bit more about how Trump is ungrateful and then suggests that Pakistan should nuke Israel.

Harrison (84:55)

Okay, I know. Tucker Carlson, Megyn Kelly, Candace Owens, and Alex Jones have been fighting me for years now. Again, Alex Jones has been very deeply dedicated to resisting the drive to criticize Trump and has been criticized and attacked for it endlessly. Again, doesn't appreciate it. What was that? What the hell was that? Pull that up. Who is this? Syrian girl wrote Pakistan defense minister is furious over Israel's destruction of ceasefire. So this is the Pakistan Defense Minister says Israel is evil and a curse for humanity. While peace talks are underway in Islamabad. Genocide is being committed in Lebanon. Innocent civilians are being killed by Israel. First Gaza, then Iran, now Lebanon. Bloodletting continues on a beta. I hope and pray for people who created this cancerous state on Palestine, Palestinian land to get rid of the European Jews burned in hell. I pray people who created the cancerous state of Palestine burn in hell. Israel is evil and a curse for humanity. He has his hand on the Pakistan nuclear button. I think he should press. I think you should nuke Israel. Pakistan. Here's my idea. Nuke Israel.

Alex Jones (86:08)

Real.

Harrison (86:08)

Okay.

Jordan (86:09)

Let's get real. While anybody.

Harrison (86:10)

I said so.

Jordan (86:11)

Let's get crazy.

Harrison (86:12)

It would be just. It would be just and right and good.

Dark Waters (86:16)

Yeah.

Dan (86:16)

These guys are against nuclear war. They have some strong principles that they adhere to.

Jordan (86:21)

You know. Okay. In the context of previous times, whenever Alex was like, Trump will look like a weenie forever. That's nuclear brinkmanship with the whole world. Foreign policy, that's bad negotiation, all of those things. Right. Right. Petty. You gotta put that shit aside. This is pettiness personified. You can't look like a weenie. You cannot. And you look like a weenie right now.

Dan (86:48)

It's. Nothing is real.

Alex Jones (86:50)

Right.

Dan (86:51)

You have only paint at your disposal to draw a picture. And you're choosing to draw a picture of yourself as a fucking loser.

Jordan (86:58)

You are free. He's freed you. He has freed you in a way that you haven't been free for a decade. You can say the F word. You can say whatever the fuck, you go for it.

Dan (87:10)

And like, let's be honest, there's a certain amount of freedom that Harrison has that Alex doesn't.

Jordan (87:15)

Yeah.

Dan (87:16)

And so he's even more free.

Jordan (87:18)

Yep.

Dan (87:19)

And by.

Jordan (87:20)

This is what he gives us.

Alex Jones (87:21)

Yeah.

Dan (87:21)

Even more of a weenie because of that.

Jordan (87:23)

Go back. Go back inside of a cage, little boy.

Dan (87:25)

Yeah. It's sad. So anyway, this is the last straw.

Jordan (87:29)

Yeah.

Harrison (87:29)

We just. Can we put the old man in a home? All right, Eddie, this is kind of it, right? This is kind of like the. The last straw. Like, it's so clearly. He's so clearly lost and co opted and controlled by these Jewish influences around him. It's very sad. It's very sad and pathetic.

Dan (87:50)

Okay, man. I'm excited to hear what the next last straw will be.

Jordan (87:56)

I just want. I just want them to I know. It's the most. It's the most difficult thing, I think, in the world for human being to do, but just go, this is the inevitable consequences of my own actions. I am the cause of this harm. It is not the Jews.

Dan (88:15)

Oh, it's Trump. Like, it's your decision to have this relationship with him.

Jordan (88:21)

Yep.

Dan (88:22)

Like, it. He does this to people.

Jordan (88:24)

You deluded yourself or whatever, into whatever beliefs you thought you might be able to get out of of it. We all told you where you're going to wind up, and now you're here. So just accept that that's what happened. Instead of being like, I'll do it again next time because it may be the Jews won't be around. That's insane. Or.

Dan (88:42)

Or at very least, make the most of it.

Jordan (88:45)

Yeah.

Dan (88:45)

Yeah.

Jordan (88:46)

Have a good time out of it.

Dan (88:48)

You can't be surprised by this turn of events.

Jordan (88:50)

Yeah. If somebody, like, frees you from not being. Yeah. If you're allowed to be the joker, just go to town.

Harrison (88:57)

Right.

Dan (88:57)

But look, here's the thing. Harrison's been betrayed a lot in the past, and this brings up some tough feelings that he has.

Harrison (89:04)

I don't know. I have trouble being bitter about this. I think I have a pretty high tolerance for being betrayed. It's happened to me a lot. I don't know why people just do this sort of stuff. You know, it's just like, you just do everything for them. Like I said, I mean. I mean, my life has been made tangibly worse by the bankruptcy lawsuits. It's been a gigantic source of stress and frustration. The crap we've had to go through because of the bankruptcy or just the anxiety of not knowing if I'm gonna have a job the next day or whatever. And again, people mock that, too. Oh, well, you're shutting down again. It's like. Yeah, it sucks, actually. It actually sucks having your entire existence the whim of some federal bankruptcy court.

Dan (89:55)

I'm not sure exactly what I would have expected from Harrison, but this is so weak.

Jordan (89:59)

Yeah, this is pathetic.

Dan (90:00)

It's all just whining, and it feels defensive and childish. Also, I'd like to respond to his claim that the bankruptcy has negatively affected his life by saying that he's using the wrong data points. His salary is probably lower than it could be if Alex didn't go broke. And if you just look at that, then it seems like he's making a good point.

Jordan (90:19)

Yes.

Dan (90:19)

The problem is that he's not taking into consideration that he sucks at his job and would have been fired if he worked for anybody else immediately. Whatever he's making is much more than he should make. And he wouldn't be able to find an on air job literally anywhere else.

Jordan (90:33)

Nope.

Dan (90:33)

The bankruptcy actually worked strongly to Harrison's advantage because it made InfoWars a way less appealing place to work. So the potential competition pool was much thinner. In a company that didn't hire most of its talent through contests, Harrison would not be able to cut it against professionals. So the fact that Alex has been so fucked has kind of provided him a measure of job security.

Jordan (90:55)

Yeah, 100%.

Dan (90:56)

What I'm saying is that this glass half empty thinking is fucking annoying. And I miss Chase.

Alex Jones (91:03)

What?

Jordan (91:03)

I miss Chase. I know. I don't know.

Dan (91:05)

Chase would have been quoting fascists of history about.

Jordan (91:09)

He would have gone crazy. Yeah, he would have been a delight. Yes. I mean, this is. See, but this is. Again, this is why. This is why Alex was always destined to fail is because he can never have anybody who could threaten his ability on. On air. Because right now is the perfect chance to take. This is Alex, isn't there.

Dan (91:27)

There's a chance that if Owen was hosting the war room, he would just have a breakdown of like, yeah, no, fuck this shit.

Jordan (91:33)

Yeah, absolutely. This is your chance to go absolutely apeshit insane on InfoWars in a way that Alex doesn't have the courage to do, which will be a fucking. For Harrison Smith, that would be a launch pad.

Dan (91:47)

But I think that Harrison kind of thinks he is doing that by saying they should nuke Israel.

Jordan (91:51)

Yeah, I know. He's saying that.

Dan (91:52)

Jewish influences.

Jordan (91:54)

He's gonna be a weenie forever, Dan.

Dan (91:56)

Yeah, I think he thinks that he's having kind of a moment, but it's not. And even compare his moment on air when J6 happened to this.

Jordan (92:06)

We have the capital or whatever.

Dan (92:07)

Yeah. There was so much more elation and being in the pocket there. Whereas this is.

Jordan (92:13)

Meh.

Dan (92:14)

I mean, everyone betrays me.

Jordan (92:17)

You tear your fucking shirt open like Hogan. Like, you go, ah. And then you go off. How is this your response?

Dan (92:26)

It's rough.

Jordan (92:27)

This is. Oh, man. He would be fired anywhere else.

Dan (92:30)

So Harrison starts to reflect on, like, I think Trump would probably kill me if he had a chance.

Harrison (92:36)

How much you want to bet you don't kill us? If he could, what do you think the likelihood is that if he could, Trump would just drop a bomb on us, the far right right wingers that got him elected in the first place. He's a piece of. I mean, there's really nothing more. It's like the more I think about it, the more it's just like, damn, we really did get fooled. We really did get conned. He really is what the bat, what our enemy said. He was. So. Just sad.

Dan (93:22)

So sad.

Alex Jones (93:22)

Wow. Yeah, wow.

Dan (93:24)

Globalists were right about Trump all along.

Jordan (93:27)

Holy shit.

Dan (93:28)

We got fooled. This guy's a piece of shit. Also, we're not angry about this if,

Jordan (93:32)

you know, here's the thing that just occurred to me. Everywhere I've ever worked, I kind of got a feel for the history of the place or the general vibe of the place or like the. The identity overall. You know, if you're. If you're talking about the. The Cubs corporate culture, you know, there's. There's an identity there that. That is different from other teams. You know, they've got their own identity here. We've got. Or we're a tough kind of town, that kind of thing right there. How is it that you can be in Infowars and think this is acceptable?

Dan (94:03)

Well, I think it's. Things have changed bit, you know, like, all I can think about is, like, Alex screaming at Piers Morgan about some imaginary plot that Piers had to take his guns.

Jordan (94:16)

Yep.

Dan (94:17)

Like, compared to Harrison. Oh, Trump, he's a piece of shit. So sad.

Jordan (94:24)

I'm so sad.

Dan (94:26)

So I just think that this is an unlistenable wine fest.

Jordan (94:29)

Yep.

Harrison (94:30)

So, again, you know, it's. Like, it's. This is. What I mean is that it's. It's actually not a reflection on us. That. That's the thing. Like, you need to understand. It's not. We're not sitting here like, oh, my God, what did we do wrong?

Jordan (94:50)

You should be.

Harrison (94:51)

We haven't done anything wrong.

Dan (94:52)

You got fooled.

Jordan (94:53)

Jesus Christ.

Harrison (94:54)

Just added on to the betrayal. And it proves us wrong.

Dan (94:58)

Right.

Harrison (94:58)

And it proves us absolutely right that all the hope that people had in Donald Trump turns out to be utterly misplaced.

Dan (95:06)

The hope that you had and you profited off selling, like, it's just. This comes off like, I don't know, who could want this? I get that there's Nazi shit mixed in.

Alex Jones (95:18)

Sure.

Dan (95:19)

So I know that some people get a charge out of that, I guess. But this guy comes off like. Like the weeniest of wee.

Jordan (95:26)

Yeah. This is. I mean, if. If I was going to have anybody be blindsided, if I'm. Here's the thing, though. If I'm Alex. Right. If I was going to have anybody be blindsided by this, I wouldn't be Harrison. Nobody's watching. He's doing such a poor job. People Will turn it off.

Dan (95:44)

Yeah.

Jordan (95:44)

Even if they were watching. So you don't have to worry about the consequences of what he does.

Dan (95:49)

No, because I think that some people would still stick around because they think, oh, Alex is going to fuck.

Jordan (95:54)

Maybe he'll come wake up from his

Dan (95:55)

nap and he's going to.

Jordan (95:57)

That's a good point.

Dan (95:58)

So I still think that there's like a little bit of. We're going to hear the glass break.

Jordan (96:02)

Yeah.

Dan (96:02)

Stone Cold is going to storm into the studio.

Jordan (96:04)

That makes sense. But either way, to be blindsided by it on air, that's. That's. You want Harrison to have that, right?

Dan (96:11)

Of the on air talents that he has now, I think his son Rex has been hosting the American Journal a bit for him. So I think, like, you definitely don't want Rex on air. No, that's.

Jordan (96:22)

That'd be fun though.

Dan (96:23)

It would.

Jordan (96:24)

He would be. He'd be so unequipped to do something

Dan (96:27)

and it's so personal and shit. Like, you do really don't want that. Probably is the best shot of Infowars employees.

Jordan (96:34)

Yeah.

Dan (96:34)

Except for maybe Rob do. He's stoic.

Jordan (96:37)

Be great. Ah, looks like Trump said all this stuff. Well, you know, people say things all

Dan (96:43)

the time and I feel great. So Harrison gets a couple clip of Alex responding to this.

Jordan (96:51)

Oh, Alex has responded. Outside of Infowars, Alex has shot a

Dan (96:55)

video in his car.

Jordan (96:56)

Gotcha. All right, so Alex is driving home when this news hits. Okay.

Dan (96:59)

I think maybe he's driving to go beat something.

Alex Jones (97:02)

Sure, sure.

Jordan (97:03)

An ax throwing thing, a shooting range, something like that.

Dan (97:06)

But yeah, he. I gotta say, I don't know if it's because it's mixed in with Harrison's response, but Alex's response actually kind of seems classic.

Harrison (97:17)

So again, it's not like, oh, you know, Trump turned on us, so now we're going to turn on him. It's like Trump turning on us is like evidence that he's gone. It's like evidence that it's not worth it to try to, you know, say, hey, he's not the best, but he's all we've got. It's like, no, no, no. He has a serious underlying major dysfunction. That means that he is constantly taken advantage of by the worst people and yet is loyal to them to a fault. And the people who are loyal to him are all just suckers. Seriously. Really sucks. It really does. All right, let's go to this Alex Jones response to Trump's little tantrum. His little. His little tantrum. Let's watch.

Alex Jones (98:13)

Well, well, President Trump came out on True Social and attacked myself and all the original motto supporters today. And I'm just so sad that whatever's happened to him has totally changed the man he once was. He did so much good. That said, it followed just a few hours after Melania Trump came out unannounced, poorly. Trump didn't know know and said she wasn't involved with Epstein and she supports a full investigation by Congress. In the Epstein cover up, Trump says Epstein's a hoax. So this reminds me of Melinda Gates, Melinda French when she started turning against Bill, also a Repstein. So Trump's got big problems, folks.

Dan (98:53)

This is pretty good stuff from Alex. I gotta tip the hat when he comes through with something that kind of works. Bringing up Melania doing a press conference to say that she didn't meet Trump through Epstein and suggesting that she's doing that to distance herself from Trump because he's clearly implicated in all this stuff. That's a way to ignore the substance of what Trump said and still make the response kind of an attack.

Jordan (99:13)

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Dan (99:15)

I think it still kind of sucks. And the fact that it's only a couple hours after Alex participated in an on air miracle about how they have to save Trump from the witches, it kind of takes away from the impact of this stoic response. Wants, but it's not bad for something on the fly that he shot in his car. Like he's not going to be able to like punch the horn or slam on the. Like he's just gonna look like a baby if he's freaking out in his car.

Jordan (99:39)

Yeah, yeah.

Dan (99:39)

He's not at the studio.

Jordan (99:41)

No. You, when you get, you go to the studio, like, I don't.

Dan (99:45)

You gotta turn your car around.

Jordan (99:46)

Maybe I'm just crazy. Maybe I'm just crazy. But it is like if this happens, I am thinking if I'm, if I'm Alex, I'm thinking, thinking I am going to make as much money as I can off of this. This is going to be the best thing ever. This frees me from having to do the shitty shit I have been doing. I can make my show much more interesting. I'll be more interesting, period. And so what I do is I spin the car around. I tell Harrison to get the fuck out of here. I put, I make the whole fucking scene blank for a while. Nobody's even on air. But it's, it's always streaming. It's all there emptiness. And then I shoot up. I walk in, I rip my shirt off, there are flames showing up behind me like pyrotechnics. And I am screaming directly into the camera. The idea that I would be like, you know, this is real bad behavior from a. From an adult is absurd to me.

Dan (100:39)

It is, it is. And I think the only alternative to what you're pitching is if Alex was in his car.

Jordan (100:46)

Yeah.

Dan (100:47)

And he explains to the audience, I am going to drive to Florida and shoot Roger Stone with a dart full of polonium.

Jordan (100:56)

Yeah.

Dan (100:56)

I'm going to finish the job on that motherfucker and I'll see you in a week.

Jordan (101:00)

I would accept. I would accept him holding somebody by the throat off camera just like him. Just. They like, don't worry about what this arm is doing. Don't you worry about it.

Dan (101:10)

Yeah. Let's check the headlines. Roger Stone missing.

Jordan (101:13)

Oh, weird. Weird how that happens. It's a good thing I'm not in

Dan (101:16)

Doug car unrelated to where my arm is. Oh, yeah, that would be. That would be fun.

Jordan (101:21)

But, man, this is sad. These people suck. Yeah, these people suck. When they're supposed to step up, they fail.

Dan (101:29)

Yeah. So here's the. The rest of Alex's car response.

Alex Jones (101:32)

Okay, this is terrible day and it's a nightmare for America in the world, but I'm going to tell the truth. Report on the facts no matter what it is. Was I somewhat naive? Did I defend Trump too long? You did so much good. Yeah, I'm.

Jordan (101:44)

I did.

Alex Jones (101:45)

Or people that, you know, said I defend him too long. Are they right? Yeah, it looks like they are. Find to a victory lap. But I did it from a place I believe he was the lesser two evils. And I guess at the end of the day, just to be done. By heaven's fall, there's no such thing as lost your evils. So I took the establishment attacking him as the sign I should support him. I took myself being attacked for supporting him as a sign I should support him. And now it's certainly clear that this new Donald Trump is somebody we should support. And I'm not. So I'm interjecting politically opposing him. I'm calling for the 25th Amendment. If he continues to call for nuclear war and genocide, hopefully he backs down. We'll continue to report this unfolds, but that's the facts. Melania Trump, they've said, you know, it's turning his Trump. Years ago, I never believed it. But now she's definitely countermanding what he said and done saying there's nothing to Epstein. She's saying there is should be investigated. I stand with Melania Trump And I stand with the truth. I stand with the victims of Epstein against the Epstein class. Follow me on X Ray Jones. I'm Rebel with the auction show. God bless you all.

Dan (102:40)

So Harrison came back on after this, and I instantly turned off the show. So I have no idea what the rest of that show was, but I'm sure it was insightful. I'm sure I was really excited for Friday's episode because that little response video felt kind of uninspired.

Jordan (102:53)

Yeah.

Dan (102:54)

It felt like he was going through the motions.

Jordan (102:56)

Yeah.

Dan (102:56)

On the one hand, it brought up this shit talking about Melania, and that's kind of a decent attempt at redirecting energy, but it also felt empty. That video is like a minute and a half long. And it's supposed to be responding to Trump directly calling Alex an idiot who lied about Sandy Hook. He said his family knows he's dumb. This year was personal. So this is underwhelming.

Jordan (103:17)

Yeah.

Dan (103:17)

You can't do this.

Jordan (103:19)

Yeah. I don't. I guess it's just. It's just a measure of how bad his instincts truly have gotten because to me, this is money. I am hearing Kachings, I am hearing Donald Trump. Trump started a feud with me. Started.

Dan (103:34)

And I want to hold back the point that I want to make about that.

Jordan (103:40)

Yeah.

Dan (103:40)

Until we're done.

Jordan (103:41)

Okay.

Dan (103:42)

But I agree with you, and I think that this is not furthering that.

Jordan (103:45)

No, this is not money at all.

Dan (103:47)

No.

Jordan (103:48)

Money is in. Money is in the feud. Money is in, you know, Kendrick and Drake is money. You don't, you don't like. If Kendrick was like, you know what? I'm going to be the bigger man. That's. That's a loss of money.

Dan (104:03)

Yeah. You don't, you don't take the high road when. No, when there's the opportunity.

Jordan (104:07)

Yeah. You're a. You're a fucking con man. Opportunist. Of course you got to go for the money.

Dark Waters (104:11)

Yeah.

Dan (104:12)

And so we'll see what he does on. On April 10th Friday show.

Jordan (104:16)

Let's see.

Dan (104:17)

So we start off. Alex is in the chair. He's in studio.

Dark Waters (104:21)

Okay.

Dan (104:22)

Very sad. Very sad, man. And apparently Trump is being blackmailed.

Alex Jones (104:27)

The evidence is overwhelming that Trump is being blackmailed by the Israel lobby. And when we saw Melania Trump, to play her full clip here in a moment. Come out yesterday, and it's reported Trump didn't know this was about to happen. She said, I'm doing a press conference where I'm going to make a statement. Statement. And she went out there with that six minute Statement and said, Epstein is real, he's an abuser. The victims deserve justice. Congress needs to hold hearings, the COVID up needs to end. And then you can just juxtapose that with Trump dozens of times. It's a hoax. It doesn't exist. Nothing happened. His FBI director, deputy director on TV saying he acted alone. He wasn't a human trafficker when gizzling. Maxwell's in prison for that. And then here's his wife. So Trump said, if Trump said in statements, we're getting them, and on truth, social and in person with his mouth, verbally, that if you think Epstein's real, you're not maga. Remember that. We'll play the clips. Well now, by his yardstick, Melania Trump is not maga.

Jordan (105:52)

Got him.

Alex Jones (105:53)

His wife is low iq.

Jordan (105:55)

Finally.

Alex Jones (105:55)

His wife's a Democrat party operative.

Jordan (105:58)

This will stick.

Alex Jones (105:59)

His wife's a stooge.

Dan (106:00)

This is kind of like trying to make it personal in a way. You know, like, it's not good though.

Jordan (106:08)

No.

Dan (106:08)

You know, like it's not compelling in the same way as Trump saying, your families know you're fucking dumb.

Jordan (106:12)

Yeah.

Dan (106:13)

Like, that is like that Trump, I'm

Jordan (106:15)

rubber in your glue.

Dan (106:16)

It's a drive by. What are you doing? He does some damage and then gets out of there.

Jordan (106:21)

Yeah.

Dan (106:21)

And this is an attempt for Alex to be like, your wife thinks you're a pedophile.

Jordan (106:25)

Right.

Dan (106:26)

And like, I don't. It just doesn't, it doesn't have the oomph.

Jordan (106:30)

See?

Dark Waters (106:30)

See?

Jordan (106:30)

Aha. By your own words, sir, you have been hoisted upon your own petard because your wife is stup. Haha. I bet you feel stupid now, don't you?

Dan (106:39)

By your logic, your wife is dumb.

Jordan (106:41)

Wow.

Dan (106:42)

But then also, like, if his wife is coming out and being like, hey, I got to get away from him

Jordan (106:48)

because, hey, this guy's a pedophile and a rapist.

Dan (106:51)

What did Roger know? Yeah, like, come on, man.

Jordan (106:55)

Come on, man.

Dan (106:56)

You. What did you know?

Jordan (106:57)

We all knew. We all knew.

Dan (107:00)

So, like, if you're trying to make

Jordan (107:01)

it, grab him by the pussy on the first go round.

Dan (107:05)

Locker talk, locker talk, locker room talk, locker room talk. But I think that, I think that this is something that doesn't really work well for Alex because if true, it also hurts Alex.

Jordan (107:19)

Yeah.

Dan (107:19)

He didn't do any due diligence in terms of investigating Trump before he decided to get on board with him. If this is true. So like, it's trying to, you should use like a ranged weapon instead of,

Jordan (107:36)

I mean, you're, you're Alex, right. You're not out here, you know, trying to be clever. Right. If he's calling you low iq, you fucking lean into it, man. I think, I think the obvious move for Alex, and I'm not saying this is the best move, but the obvious move is to talk shit about his. No, that's the move. He's got a tiny, shriveled little penis.

Dan (107:58)

I go the opposite direction. You were saying that, you know, he's being attacked as low iq.

Jordan (108:04)

Yeah.

Dan (108:05)

I think the next day Alex does a fucking spelling bee. The Infowars spelling bee.

Jordan (108:12)

See, this is the problem with any. Any attempt to prove out low IQ only reaffirms low iq. Yeah, but that's the problem.

Dan (108:21)

That. Come on, it'd be so fun, though. That'd be like the painting show.

Jordan (108:24)

I'm. I'm with you. I would like live in that world.

Dan (108:28)

So Alex is suggesting that Trump was being blackmailed basically about Melania having a relationship with Ghislaine Maxwell in the past. Some form of a relationship that there's evidence of existing.

Jordan (108:43)

Right.

Dan (108:43)

And that she did soft core porn.

Alex Jones (108:45)

Sure.

Dan (108:46)

And I don't think this makes sense.

Alex Jones (108:49)

Trump isn't being blackmailed any real Epstein stuff himself, sex wise. But it's the people around him, like Howard Ludnick and others, which is making firm. I said, I think it's gonna be letting from what we knew, the connections, living next door to Epstein, Epstein and the rest of it, he got caught lying on the island, all that. But I also said knowing that scene, knowing insiders like Roger Stone didn't tell anything about this.

Jordan (109:07)

Yeah,

Alex Jones (109:09)

you saw this recycled 10 years ago, just got recycled again. You've heard this thousand times for me that Melania was a hooker and that she was under Epstein's control at a modeling agency. That's the COVID for it. And then that's how he met Melania a year later. We've checked that it's not true, but that's what they were holding back and using. Embarrassing her and embarrassing Trump. That's the kind of thing they were holding over his head when he told Mar Green. It'll hurt my friends. It'll hurt people close to me. Not just Ludnick, but his wife. Because there's emails and, you know, there's not just this one where oh, so incredible in Palm Beach. I want to come back soon. You're so amazing. You're so beautiful. Gift Lane. This is when she's this beautiful supermodel doing, you know, soft porn shoots and whatever. Not putting her down for that it's very artsy stuff. Her. Another beautiful woman laying there. I'm not gonna lie and say I don't like it. And when Trump knew that was about to be released. We're trying to blackmail him. 10 years ago. Because I thought people that did it, not. Not the blackmail, but Trump's people, they leaked it to the New York Post, the pictures themselves, to get ahead of it. Trump did. I got it from the guy that did it, probably imagine what his name is. By the way, Roger Stone's joining us now, next hour to get into all of this.

Jordan (110:20)

Okay. All right.

Alex Jones (110:22)

A little upset with me, but that's okay.

Jordan (110:23)

Well, now we're listening.

Alex Jones (110:25)

So you don't want to miss any of this coming up today.

Jordan (110:29)

Ah.

Dark Waters (110:30)

What?

Dan (110:30)

Promise. So this is really dumb because let's assume that everything Alex is saying is correct. If the blackmail that the globalists had on Trump was that these nude pictures of Melania were there, then they wouldn't have any blackmail left after Roger leaked the pictures to the Public Post, which was in 2016. There isn't anything left for Trump to be embarrassed by here in Alex's framing. And even before the Post published them, these pictures weren't secretly held blackmail material. They were published in a French magazine in 1997. Yeah, I get that Alex has decided to commit to the Melania press conference angle, but there isn't much juice here. There's one upside, which is that it's a super personal attack, but Alex can pretend that it's about politics. Politics. So he doesn't have to feel like he's rolling around in the mud and going tit for tat with Trump being an asshole.

Jordan (111:17)

Right.

Dan (111:17)

But it also seems like a bad idea to have Roger on the show the day after Trump posted that shit.

Jordan (111:22)

Yeah.

Dan (111:22)

You know he's siding with Trump.

Jordan (111:24)

Yeah. He has to.

Dan (111:25)

Unless you plan on tearing Roger to shreds. This is a setup for humiliation.

Jordan (111:29)

Yep.

Dan (111:30)

This is a. Calling Steve Pechenik during a hurricane situation.

Jordan (111:34)

You are about to make yourself look even more pathetic.

Dan (111:38)

Yeah.

Jordan (111:38)

When Roger convinces you to go crawling back.

Dan (111:42)

Yeah.

Jordan (111:42)

Yeah.

Dan (111:42)

Harrison was like, I'm a weenie. And Alex is like, hold my beer.

Jordan (111:45)

Oh, my God.

Dan (111:46)

Yeah.

Jordan (111:47)

Please don't. Please don't.

Dark Waters (111:49)

What?

Jordan (111:50)

He's not going to do it, is he?

Dan (111:51)

Well, he's a weenie. Yeah. He's going to interview Roger. Roger's going to show up.

Jordan (111:56)

Yeah, but. You got it. He's not going to fight. He's going to lose.

Dan (112:00)

We'll see what happens.

Jordan (112:01)

What a loser. God damn it.

Dan (112:03)

So when I read you Trump's post.

Jordan (112:06)

Yes.

Dan (112:06)

One of the things that stuck out to you was the idea of, like, I could have you at any minute. Yeah, I don't return your calls, you dumb asshole.

Jordan (112:13)

Because he can and he still can, and he knows it, and Alex knows it.

Dan (112:16)

Well, it definitely struck a nerve with Alex.

Jordan (112:18)

Yeah.

Alex Jones (112:19)

And then I get to hear Trump say, oh, I don't call him back. So he's mad at me. I could have him on my side if I wanted to, but I'm too busy with national and world affairs. Dude, you invited me to Marlogg. Go into the White House last year, and I said, oh, yeah, sure. Okay. Oh, talk to this. Okay, great. And didn't make the call. Didn't go. Because I don't want to sit there in a room with 20 people at dinner and have you pat me on the head and tell everybody how great I am. I. I really don't like that. I want victory over the globalist. I want to free humanity. That is what excites. I want war on tyranny. I have boiling blood. I'm a warrior. This is my mission. It's my pedigree. It's in my blood. Not being a sycophant, a king's court. I'm on the front lines, not in some Sun King's court, seeing who can kiss ass the most and steal the most money.

Jordan (113:22)

You're about to kiss ass.

Alex Jones (113:23)

If I wanted that, I'd have had on all that.

Jordan (113:25)

You are pathetic.

Alex Jones (113:26)

I'm not Judas Iscariot. You want to use a biblical example? I'm John the Baptist, heralding the global revolution and awakening. That's my. And even the left and the. And the Rockefeller foundation, years ago, it was in the. Newsweek and stuff. It was big. And the Rockefeller foundation, they said, this guy's got to be stopped, like, 15 years ago. They go, he's gonna. He is like the John the Baptist of the Tea Party, radicalizing them. And I. When I read those reports later, I just. In the news. But in, you know, Rockefeller foundation stuff, it's publicly. I was just like, oh, I was so proud of that. I was like, oh, my God, you should be. That's how smart they are. They're smart. So I love all these lightweights, Johnny. Come lately, nobodies come along and say that I am on a Qatari payroll. I need to be put in prison with no evidence. Before I was. I was a Russian agent. Yeah. I could get on an airplane, go to Russia and say 50 million a year, and they'd put me in as a propaganda head. And I sit there. I can't do that. Yeah, no. I've had letterhead from Vladimir Putin sign full authorization, total maximum visa. I published it, showed everybody. I didn't go over there because I didn't want the. The potential people to say I was doing that. And I've had Israel and the Israeli government asked me to go to Israel for 20 years. All the same crap. I want to see Israel, I want to see Russia. Sorry, can't do it because of the way it looks. Looks. I'll just sit here in the wilderness and do what I do while a bunch of lightweights that don't know anything and don't have the battle scars, by the way. I love my scars, both real and spiritual. They're memories. They're things I did. Your victories I had. Even my defeats were victories because I didn't give up.

Dan (115:05)

I feel like this clip captures the lukewarmness of Alex's response. It's not hot, but you can't really call it cold or even room temperature. Temperature. There's something there, but he's not putting a lot of gas in the engine, so it's really light. I'd like to ask two follow up questions to him based on that clip, though. The first is whether or not he realizes that he just created a distinction between real and spiritual when talking about his scars, which kind of implies that he believes the spiritual stuff is not real. I thought the third dimension was just the playpen, but now apparently cuts you get in your meat body. That's why it's all real.

Alex Jones (115:40)

Come on.

Dan (115:41)

The second is whether or not he thinks that there's an importance to the idea that he thinks he could get a job as a propagandist in Russia. He doesn't say that he could go over there and be the best chronicler Russia has ever seen or a journalist. He specifically says that he could get $50 million to be a propaganda head. I'd be interested to know if he thinks that this is a subconscious slip that reveals that he knows what his actual career is and he's not a chronicler. Yeah, yeah, but, yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting kind of weak response.

Jordan (116:12)

Whatever the Rockefeller foundation or whatever may have said about Alex at the time, that is not about this man. No, this man has nothing to be afraid of.

Dan (116:24)

This is no John the Baptist.

Jordan (116:26)

I can. Oh, I'm sorry, what did you say? I literally didn't hear you.

Dan (116:30)

And look, I mean, like, say what you want about Judas. A lot of people have different ideas about him based on, you know, maybe some gnostic texts or whatever.

Jordan (116:38)

Sure, sure, sure.

Dan (116:39)

But what you have to say is he made a choice.

Jordan (116:42)

Well, you don't have to say that, but yes.

Dan (116:44)

Well, maybe he didn't make it, but a choice was made, you know, like. Yeah, yeah, he didn't wait around.

Jordan (116:51)

I know what you mean.

Alex Jones (116:53)

Yeah.

Dan (116:54)

Alex, you take a lesson.

Jordan (116:55)

Yeah, absolutely.

Dan (116:57)

So he gets a little bit sentimental. He starts thinking back on his early life and how weirdos tried to lure him to sex parties when he was 13 while wild.

Alex Jones (117:07)

Told you folks, Satanist run it all. I told you those stories on Air for 30 plus years. Rolled up in the richest county in Texas at the time and trying to get recruited by a rich Satanist. Eyes Wide shut, folks. Part of my education, I've been the Tom Cruz character, but not when I was some Harvard doctor when I was 13, 14, 15. But I never pretend of it. Literally, repeatedly left. And I just was like. When I was younger, I was like, God, why is this happening to me? Well, it's part of your education, son. Part of your education. And now I've been offered up on the mountain the money and the power to sell America out. You know what I told him? Piss up a rock. Rope. Good Lord. Piss up a rope.

Dan (118:05)

I know that Alex's stories can't really be taken seriously, but what he's describing here is horrible. And I think it's really dark that he thinks God would have this response to him. If this were really happening, then Alex was being exposed to very serious abuse. And no matter how strong and mature he imagines he was at 13, repeatedly having adults try to lure you to Eyes Wide Shut parties would be deeply traumatic.

Jordan (118:28)

Yep.

Dan (118:28)

There's no other word for that than child abuse. And Alex believes that his God would condone him being subjected to that because it was part of his education. I know that he doesn't really understand the implications of what he's saying. So I don't want to sit here and pretend that Alex is knowingly making the argument that maybe abusers are teachers of divine lessons. But that's kind of accidentally what he's saying when he self mythologizes this way. Yeah, it's fucked up up the implications of what he's saying. Yeah, you kind of should support the people who are doing the Eyes Wide Shut parties. Luring children to them because it's part of their education to fight the devil. That's really messed up.

Jordan (119:06)

Yeah. The thing about movies is that movies don't have to continually struggle with their plot holes or with the problems they're in. They can just go to the next scene. In real life, however, you can't base your life on movies. Movies. You can't say, oh, this is an objectively good thing, because I saw it in a movie and it worked out. That's not how it that. No, no. That's horrible.

Dan (119:31)

No. And I think the mentality and the mindset that God is cool with this or wants this to happen is dangerous.

Jordan (119:39)

I can't begin to describe how disappointed I am with this. Yeah, this is real. If I, like, I admit to feeling it a little bit myself once I heard those words, I was. Was like, ooh, maybe some good is, you know, if I was an Alex Jones former fan or an infowars guy and I saw that, I would be like tuning in right away. Let's see what this man, finally this guy's going to come back to life.

Dan (120:04)

Yeah.

Jordan (120:04)

And then I see this.

Dan (120:05)

It's bad timing that I think he went to go dry out for a week and a half, rehab or whatever. Because if he was drunk, this would be good.

Jordan (120:12)

This is drinking time. Yeah.

Dan (120:14)

Except maybe he would be in this kind of like sentimental mood if he got drunk.

Jordan (120:19)

Yeah.

Dan (120:20)

And I think that this, this next clip is a really, really huge bummer.

Alex Jones (120:25)

But see, I knew stuff like this was evil. I still believe the propaganda and lies of the portion was legal and was just a blob of tissue that wasn't really a kid if you caught it the first six weeks. So there I was saying, no, I'm not gonna be part of your sex orgy. Which I wasn't connecting with it. It was pedophilic because I was like 13, 14, 15. But technically it was. But when it came to killing my own kids, I was like, yeah, it's all right, 300 bucks. And I never really pressured the girls. They were always like, I'm pregnant. And there was one girl didn't tell me she was pregnant. And all of a sudden her parents, she was a couple years older than me. She was like 16. I was like 14. It's like, oh, you know, come into town, see my family here in Dallas. She lived her with her parents. They had other family and she had like older sister with kids and stuff. You like kids? You like baby strollers? You want take care of kids? Like, no, not yet. They're like, see, looked her, I know what's going on. And she had the abortion, got mad at me. You know, that's the thing. I didn't know about that till she had the abortion. Then they always hate you after they have it. I had this incredible girlfriend when I was in college, and I was celibate. College, like a year. I was celibate for about a year and a half when God really hit me and said, stop. You know, being part of this when I was 18, 19. But then I got this other girlfriend, and I was wearing condoms and stuff, but somehow it broke. Getting graphic here, which is just biology. And she was just ultra gorgeous, Eastern European. And I saw her, she goes, I can't see anymore. I just am too depressed. I'm too upset. And then she said, yeah, you got me pregnant. I had an abortion. And I was just like, I'm so sorry. You should have told me. We'd have got married. Yeah, right. And she was like, going to college. Was top of her class to be a doctor. All this other stuff. Probably listen right now, but. And I was like, okay, that is it. I'm going back to no dating for a while. And that's how I got on the air and all the stuff I did. But.

Dan (122:21)

So God didn't tell Alex to stop having abortions when he was 18. He's been clear that he stopped because his dad threatened to kick him out of the house and told him to stop killing his grandkids.

Alex Jones (122:30)

Yeah.

Dan (122:31)

Bigger picture, this is fucked up. For one thing, it's gross.

Jordan (122:35)

Yep.

Dan (122:35)

But beyond that, it feels voyeuristic to listen to that clip when Alex talks about this Eastern European woman who he loved, who he would have married and had kids with if she told him that she got pregnant. And he says that she's probably listening now. It feels like he needs to believe that she's listening.

Jordan (122:50)

Yeah.

Dan (122:51)

I don't hear a guy who's apologetic about the abortions because of an actual opposition to a poor abortion. I hear a guy who blames abortion for ruining potentially better lives that he didn't get to Live. He spent 30 years on air yelling about nothing, and he's got two bad marriages to show for it. But he only went down this road to begin with because he didn't start a family with these women. It's very telling that the two stories that he tells specifically involve abortions that he didn't have any input into where he's trying to convey that he would have raised these children with these women if he'd had the shit. The chance.

Jordan (123:24)

Yeah.

Dan (123:25)

The way he's telling the story, it seems very clear to me that he associates the pain of these abortions with losing the love of these women. He's not telling a pain story about killing kids. The pathos comes from how these relationships with hotties ended prematurely because they got abortions and got mad at him.

Jordan (123:43)

Yeah.

Dan (123:44)

I think this gives a nice window into how Trump's post has made Alex feel, because that shit is sadder than any meltdown that he's capable of saying having. He's thinking about how he could have settled down with this gal that he got pregnant in junior college. And then maybe, maybe, maybe I wouldn't be on the air. Maybe I'd be an electrician. I'd have this gorgeous Eastern European woman, which is the way I constantly describe Melania. Huh?

Jordan (124:14)

Yeah. There's no way, there's no way to describe it other than, like, listen, once you lose your fastball, you gotta to go. You're not, you're not in the league. You're not a knuckleballer. You're not going to, you're not going to find some junk. You've lost it. You got to go right there. This is, this is unlistenable. This is horrifying.

Dan (124:32)

Well, and it feels, it feels gross to listen to. It's not even that it's unlistenable. He's talking about condoms and lost love.

Jordan (124:38)

Everything, Everything about it.

Dan (124:40)

Dude, you're fighting the devil within the end.

Jordan (124:42)

And obviously, these are like, the betrayal and loss of the women is the same as the betrayal and loss of. How does he not even see the very clear. Like, this is why my mind is going here. I'm being dumped again.

Dan (124:57)

Yeah. I know that Trump said that Tucker should see a psychiatrist, but Alex should see at least a psychologist.

Jordan (125:03)

Boy, he should see a team.

Dan (125:05)

Yeah. So I think that when you're going to have Roger Stone on the day after Trump posts something like that.

Jordan (125:12)

Yeah.

Dan (125:13)

You can't be bringing this energy into.

Jordan (125:14)

No.

Dan (125:14)

You need to be coming in with momentum and steam. And unfortunately, he's just not. And so I feel like he gives up. While introducing Roger.

Jordan (125:23)

Wow.

Alex Jones (125:24)

Well, my old friend Roger Stone joins us. But really older friends with President Trump, 51 years. He knows the inside baseball. And I know he's upset with me about the 25th Amendment comment. I was trying to get Trump's attention. Attention when we know he was getting bad advice about the war. You have all the Israel lobbying, others calling for nuclear war. We have new clips of it, Israeli officials and that statement about destroy a civilization forever, never to return. I'm glad Trump came off of that and said no nuclear weapons. And I really want this to succeed. I want Trump to succeed. And now that he's come out and attacked me, you know, he obviously becomes a tit for tat. I want to think about the Democrats, the midterms, how we salvage this. But we have Mark Levin and others who. I know you love. Roger, let's joke.

Dan (126:07)

Alex is apologizing to Roger and rationalizing in his introduction here. Roger's apparently mad about the 25th Amendment comments. And before they even start the interview, Alex is abandoning that by saying that he just wanted to get Trump's attention because the nuclear war stuff was bad. But that doesn't explain why he brought it up again in his report from the car that Harrison played. This is nonsense. He's trying to pacify and appease Roger.

Jordan (126:31)

Yep.

Dan (126:32)

He's lost the arch argument before they say word one.

Jordan (126:35)

Yeah, that's, That's. I don't even know how to describe how sad this is. This is.

Harrison (126:41)

This.

Jordan (126:41)

I mean, honestly, this is the first time, truly, where I feel like, like, oh, man, this whole world has failed this poor boy. That's what I feel like. His birth was a failure. His mom failed him, his dad failed him. His entire life, life, Everyone around him has fucking allowed this behavior to continue. And he's finally feeling the actual effects of it. And he's so unprepared.

Dan (127:12)

And it doesn't have to be like that.

Jordan (127:14)

No, no. The answer to this is the Most obvious answer.

Dan (127:20)

1776.

Jordan (127:21)

Pure rage.

Dark Waters (127:22)

Yep.

Jordan (127:23)

Pure, unending, unfiring rage.

Dan (127:26)

Ironically, the only thing he's got good at.

Jordan (127:29)

Exactly.

Dan (127:30)

He should threaten to eat Trump.

Jordan (127:31)

This is your moment.

Dan (127:33)

Yes.

Jordan (127:33)

This is what you have been training for your entire life. Every yell, every. You are my enemy. This is it. The President is your enemy.

Dan (127:42)

You are a battle axe.

Jordan (127:44)

Oh, my God. Step up.

Dan (127:46)

So Alex tries to explain to Roger, like, I don't want to just take the bait, you know, like, what do we do? And I think if you listen carefully to what Roger is saying, how he's saying, saying it, I believe that there's a second conversation that's happening subtly behind the surface.

Jordan (128:04)

Okay.

Alex Jones (128:04)

And so I just wanted to get your take on all of this. And, and you're good friends with Tucker and I as well. We've hung out many times at dinner together with Tucker. How we somehow extricate out of this and, and how somehow create kind of at least a truce or some kind of diplomacy. I was talking to Betty Johnson this morning. He's taking his four year old on birthday party today. She's Getting off early. He's come on next week. You know, he's, you know, trying to be an intermediary here, but also saying Mark Levin and Netanyahu should be banned from the White House because they confirmed lied to Trump. Weeks and weeks ago, I heard Susie Wiles was, was trying to stop the war, and that's down big. Confirmed. So good, good on her. So it's just. It's just a really amazing time. I mean, I could build this up forever. There's so many places to go, so many things to do. But I'm really, really not trying to take the bait and attack Trump just because I don't want to make it all about that. But it's kind of hard to do, too, when he's the very law firms that sued him. Paul Weiss and others are the ones that sued me. And they did it because I supported Trump. And then now he even uses their tactics against me. I wonder if Mark Levin wrote this horrible screech. So that's a lot to say. You can go anywhere you want. I talked to you via text message yesterday. We haven't, you know, really scripted what we're going to get into. I know you're a little bit upset with me as well, so, you know, let me have it if you need to. But, Roger Stone, thanks for being here.

Roger Stone (129:28)

Well, Alex, I'm delighted to be here. And you did promise me if I came on today, you'd let me talk. People need to know our history. We've been friends for a very long time. You and I met at the 50th anniversary of JFK's assassination down on D& Plaza. Sometime after that, you read my book, told me how much you enjoyed it and how informative it was. My book, the man who Killed Kennedy, the Case against lbj. As a Texan, you knew a lot of this history. Then, as you know, I joined the Infowars where Owen Schroyer and I hosted the War Room until the name of that show was hijacked by Jeffrey Epstein, accomplice and enabled enabler Steve Bannon. I also credit you, frankly. And it's in my book that making the President 2016. Because there's a lot of pressure on you to be for Ted Cruz as a fellow Texan. But after you met Donald Trump, by the way, called you when you got married. You may remember you were going through tsa, but you took the call. I credit that with the fact that when the establishment Republicans were laughing at Donald Trump, Trump, you are exposing Trump, his policies to the millions of people in your audience. So I think it is unfair to say you had nothing to do with his rise. You were with him in 2016, you were with him in 2020, you were with him in 2024, and God knows you have paid a price for it, as have I, as has General Flynn, as has the January Sixers. But. And I think you played a crucial role in the exposure, closure of, of Hillary Clinton. This is. And there are both, There have been times when both of us have had some criticism. I love the man. I would not be alive for him today but for him. And I candidly admit that because he knew that I was being squeezed, not because I did something wrong, but they. They destroyed my life.

Jordan (131:25)

They.

Roger Stone (131:25)

I lost my home, my car, my savings, my insurance, my ability to travel freely without being threatened in the streets, all because I wouldn't testify falsely against Donald Trump.

Dan (131:39)

So I want to translate this conversation a little bit. Alex is telling Roger that he's been humiliated by Trump and he's asking Rogers permission to stop supporting Trump or at least get a truce going. Alex wants to separate his identity from Trump, and Rogers response is to only deepen Alex's connection with Trump and stress how important Alex was in Trump's rise. In effect, Roger is, you know, kind

Jordan (132:03)

of trying for a penny in for a pound, buddy. He's stuck.

Dan (132:07)

He's telling him he's pot committed, but at the same time being like, and you're great.

Jordan (132:11)

Yeah.

Dan (132:12)

You know, to his ego, like Pachenic used to.

Jordan (132:14)

Yeah, yeah, he's doing that. He's doing it right, Yeah.

Dan (132:17)

I believe that Roger is trying to subtly explain to Alex why he got a pardon and Alex got shit on in a tweet. Trump knows that Roger knows shit that he's not telling anyone. Anyone. Roger had every opportunity to save himself by testifying honestly about Trump and he kept his mouth shut, which proved his ultimate loyalty. Roger and Trump know life ruining stuff about each other and that bond was tested through the court system where Roger showed Trump that even if they fight, he's not gonna spill the beans. So Trump gave him a get outta jail free card.

Jordan (132:48)

Yep.

Dan (132:48)

On the other hand, Alex doesn't know anything about Trump or Roger that matters. He doesn't know anything he could use against them that doesn't directly implicate himself himself. So Trump doesn't care about him. Alex doesn't exist for Trump in a transactional sense, whereas Roger does. To explain what I mean, the dirt that Roger and Trump have on each other are stories of separate crimes they committed Roger could talk about something he knows Trump did that has nothing to do with Roger and vice versa. Alex knows some stuff about Roger, but it's the kind of dirt where they committed a crime together. Alex can't really burn Roger without self destructing and they both know it.

Jordan (133:26)

Yeah.

Dan (133:26)

So they're sitting here in this weird spot where he's like, come on, man, I don't want to do this anymore. I look like an idiot.

Jordan (133:32)

Yep.

Dan (133:33)

Now you're in, man. I got a leash around you.

Jordan (133:35)

Yep. This is, this is a bookie. This is a bookie. That's what's happening. You're in. You're in for 20 grand, buddy. Listen, you owe me that money. I'm gonna get that money.

Dan (133:47)

Yeah.

Jordan (133:47)

But I'm gonna tell you this, you're one of my favorite guys. You are one of my favorite guys. So I'm gonna do this one solid for you. I'm gonna give you a pick. We're not even going to call it double or nothing. I'm just going to give you a pick. You pick anything you want. I'll give you, let's say, three to one odds. So what, at the end of this, either you go home with 60K or, you know, we have another talk. How about that? Yeah, how about that, Trump?

Dan (134:11)

It's essentially like, let's make peace with where you are. You don't have any cards here and

Jordan (134:18)

I can break your knees whenever.

Dark Waters (134:20)

Yeah.

Dan (134:21)

So good times. I think one of the things that no one could really dispute too much is that Alex's take on the whole, we're going to wipe out your civilization tonight. That tweet was bad.

Jordan (134:34)

Yeah.

Dan (134:34)

Alex's take on that was correct.

Jordan (134:36)

Yes. What's Roger got to say? Well, I like to hear this, but

Roger Stone (134:41)

Alex, let's go through the war now because that's important. You see, everybody was certain that he would be goaded into World War Three. The Bushies, the Cheney's, the Laura Looney Boomers trying to goad him into World War Three. Okay, he didn't do that, did he?

Jordan (134:55)

I'm listening.

Roger Stone (134:55)

He scared the crap out of him is what he did. And they folded. He didn't fold. They folded. They're the ones who sent us a new peace proposal that's called peace through strength. Those are the policies of Eisenhower, Reagan and Donald Trump. Those are not the policies of the Bushes and the Cheney's and the, and the.

Jordan (135:14)

Feels very similar.

Roger Stone (135:16)

And the Clintons.

Alex Jones (135:17)

You're saying the total destruction of civilization thing was basically just rhetoric.

Roger Stone (135:23)

Well, but it's And I said this at the time, and I thought it was pretty kind. It was irresponsible rhetoric, the idea that we would remove this president, given this incredible record. And the important thing is, by the way, I am. I'm an anti, interventionist, just like you. The last before Donald Trump, the last vote I cast in Republican presidential primary was for Ron Paul in the Florida primary. Primary. I don't like war. I don't like endless foreign war. But that's not what we have. What we have here is peace through strength.

Dan (135:53)

So when Alex asked, like, do you think that was irresponsible rhetoric? He was talking about Trump's tweet.

Alex Jones (135:58)

Yeah.

Dan (135:59)

But Roger's responding by saying that what Alex said was irresponsible.

Jordan (136:03)

Yep.

Dan (136:04)

That's. That tells you a lot.

Jordan (136:06)

I could not be happier. Here's what I love about Roger. Right. I love the purity of it. There is never going to be a question, you don't understand this. You don't understand me. You have questions. You have things like, I suspect this. Nothing you say will ever affect me. My loyalty is so rock solid, I can make up jiu jitsu for anything you have to say.

Dan (136:29)

Yeah.

Jordan (136:29)

You are nothing.

Dan (136:30)

And I think even in 2015, Alex Shido had every reason to understand that, like, unless I'm a real bad who's willing to do real bad stuff and really wallow in it.

Jordan (136:42)

Yep.

Dan (136:43)

I should never talk to Roger Stone.

Jordan (136:45)

No.

Dan (136:45)

This is going to be a situation where I'm in over my head immediately, and he's always gonna have the upper hand because he is a bad dude.

Jordan (136:52)

He is. He is. He's a pig. He eats shit with a smile. Oh. Do you think it's wrong to do this? Nom, nom, nom, nom, nom, nom. Guess what? I love it. I love it.

Dan (137:05)

Oh.

Jordan (137:05)

Oh. You don't want everybody to die. I don't care.

Dan (137:08)

And I'm an anti intervention.

Dark Waters (137:10)

Exactly.

Dan (137:11)

Yes. I love Ron Paul. So Alex is like, all right, fine. That post that Trump made where he said that my family knows that I'm stupid, That's gotta be bad, right? Come on.

Jordan (137:22)

It has to.

Dan (137:23)

Give me that.

Jordan (137:23)

It has to be.

Alex Jones (137:24)

Don't you agree? Just be honest. This was not healthy for Trump to come out and attack everybody. Obviously, it only makes me bigger. It's almost a gift. But I don't want that. I need him to succeed. This is very destructive of the men terms to attack Tucker Carlson, Alex Jones, and some of the most other popular people saying, we're low IQ idiots while he is. Literally has Mark Levin sitting in his lap and Laura Loomer, you know, sitting on his shoulder like a. Like a demonic parrot.

Roger Stone (137:53)

She. She wishes. First of all, if you read my book, Stones Rules, with a great introduction by Tucker Carlson, you know, get a plug. Anything worse than being talked about is

Alex Jones (138:03)

not being talked about.

Jordan (138:04)

Nice.

Roger Stone (138:05)

So, Alex. Yes. It just probably makes your brand bigger, but you need to get back on the Trump train fully. We could have Kamala Harris if you think that would have been preferable.

Alex Jones (138:14)

I personally, I get all of that. My point is, is that the war is extremely unpopular and also the inflation's exploding, just like all the economists said. And, you know, we had a narrow window. His economic plan was great. If we have inflation, which oil and gas and. And fertilizer is the base of, then that derails his plan. That's why Larry Fink so happy. Larry Fink wants regime change.

Roger Stone (138:36)

I think we recognize that. But I think this will be over faster than people think it will be.

Alex Jones (138:41)

Number one better be.

Dan (138:43)

This is sad.

Jordan (138:44)

You are. I mean, man, sometimes the psychodrama. Whenever Alex is just fucking out of his depth is crazy that he doesn't understand the purity of Roger Stone.

Dan (138:56)

I think. I think I. You know, I'm going out on a limb here a little bit. I think now he kind of does.

Jordan (139:04)

You think so?

Dan (139:04)

I.

Jordan (139:05)

Well, this is. This conversation should do something for you.

Dan (139:08)

There are a couple moments in this conversation that feel like Alex is like, I can't talk about things that I know about you.

Jordan (139:16)

Yeah.

Dan (139:17)

I can't say this thing. I know that you'll fuck me if I do.

Alex Jones (139:22)

Yep.

Dan (139:22)

And I. There is a. There's a feeling of, like, the veil lifted or whatever. Whenever it was. Like, I don't think he's treating Roger like a straight up person anymore.

Jordan (139:33)

Okay.

Dan (139:33)

Like, I think he's seeing. I think he's afraid of him.

Jordan (139:36)

Oh, well, you should be. Yeah, I'm. I'm afraid of Roger Stone.

Dan (139:39)

Sure.

Jordan (139:39)

I mean, I would be. I would be less afraid of him if he didn't know I was coming.

Dan (139:43)

Yeah.

Jordan (139:44)

Yeah.

Dan (139:44)

Trump pissed in Alex's face the night before after Alex pretended to have a miracle happen on air about supporting Trump.

Jordan (139:52)

Yeah.

Dan (139:52)

And now Roger's on the next day telling him, get back on the Trump trail.

Jordan (139:56)

You're weak.

Dan (139:57)

Yes.

Jordan (139:58)

You are small.

Dan (140:00)

Putting up with this is nothing you

Jordan (140:02)

do matters to me.

Dan (140:04)

Yep.

Jordan (140:04)

Oh, oh, oh. Does it sound bad? Will it ruin the midterms? No. He can do whatever the fuck he wants. And you'll say it's good. Yeah, you better believe it.

Alex Jones (140:16)

And.

Dan (140:16)

And you know, just as kind of like a last Hail Mary.

Alex Jones (140:20)

Sure. All right, look.

Dan (140:21)

Yeah, I hate Mark Levin.

Jordan (140:23)

Don't we all?

Dan (140:24)

He's to blame for everything.

Jordan (140:25)

Why not?

Dan (140:26)

He's the one who's doing all this stuff. He wrote the tweet that Trump put out.

Jordan (140:29)

Absolutely. Blame it on somebody else.

Dan (140:31)

So, Roger, you hate Mark Levin, don't you?

Alex Jones (140:33)

Gotta Mark Levin. When I had Michael Savage on a few days ago, he reminded me, I remember the time Mark Levin supported Michael Savage being banned from the UK because he criticized Muslims. He supported you being put in jail. He was never Trumper again.

Roger Stone (140:49)

No, that's not fair. Mark Levin criticized me. He accused me of abusing Nixonian tactics on behalf of Donald Trump. He was upset with me. I had to remind him if there was no Nixon, there would be no Israel today. Israel would not exist today but for Richard M. Nixon saving him in the army caper war. But I will say this. When I was being victimized, he stood as a lawyer and he's a very smart guy. Don't think Mark Levin is a dumb guy just because we disagree with him. He stood very tall against the. Against the weaponization, against me and not the outrageousness. Against.

Alex Jones (141:25)

Because it was your own case. But from my memory, he supported the censorship in general.

Roger Stone (141:30)

He supported Ted Cruz and Lenny. He ultimately came over despite his reservations about me being a Nixonite. And I, by the way, I don't forget people who stood with me. So when that one of the crunch was really there, despite the fact that I have many, many, many disagrees with him, disagreements with him, he did stand tall for me when I was fighting for my life. And I don't forget that. But Alex, so did you.

Dan (141:51)

So did you. But also you should really recognize by me saying this that I like him more than you.

Jordan (141:56)

He stood tall. You were weak. You were weak. He stood tall.

Dan (142:00)

Please, Roger, help me demonize the enemy that I need to scapegoat for the this stuff. No, he's a good man.

Jordan (142:07)

You do not understand. You eat the shit that we give you and you smile about it. Now show me a smile, honey.

Dan (142:16)

We don't really have much use for you anymore.

Jordan (142:19)

Nope. We can toss you at any moment.

Dan (142:21)

So they finish up their interview. Yeah. And immediately Alex is like, man, everyone's going to say that I just fucking glazed. Trump.

Jordan (142:29)

Yep.

Roger Stone (142:30)

Great to be with you, Alex. Undefeated and still the champion.

Alex Jones (142:34)

Thank you, brother. I know what the headlines will be by the influencers and talk show hosts that are just totally Against Trump, it'll be Jones one day after being savaged by Trump. Glazes Trump. No, I'm trying to be balanced here.

Dan (142:47)

This episode isn't really Alex glazing Trump. That would actually be a little less embarrassing. Yeah, this is more like Alex impotently jangling around the chains attached to his arms and legs in a way that it's clearly him not sincerely trying to assume escape. So it only reveals how trapped he is.

Jordan (143:03)

Yeah.

Dan (143:04)

He's given up on even the idea why.

Jordan (143:06)

Even. Why even bother to pretend? It's too much effort.

Dan (143:09)

Everyone knows who Trump is now, and everyone knows who Alex Jones is. He's the guy who blows up and yells at people. Brian Stelter talked about him a little bit, so Alex screamed about him for years and drunkenly prank called him when he was hanging out with Tucker. That's true. He's petty and he loves to fight. There's no reason that he's not burning Trump and there's no reason he should be letting Roger pull this shit, except if he knows he has to. There's something that they know. Like maybe he told Roger something about how the business is. Something set up or something.

Jordan (143:41)

Something. Yeah, because there's. There's just too much money. There's just too much money in the fight. So if you're. If you're deliberately choosing not all that money, there must be something else going on. And as. As much as it would be lovely to believe in some sort of ideology, I'm afraid I don't subscribe to them having any beliefs whatsoever.

Dan (144:02)

I have one possible theory that, like I said, we'll get to at the end of this episode that could explain some of this, but I don't think it's actually what's going on in the heart or mind. But I do think that as the episode goes on, Alex starts to feel like I need to explain or I need to come up with an excuse at least, are like, why I didn't punch Roger.

Alex Jones (144:26)

Yeah, but it's good that Roger is staying close to the President because he has a lot of influence to keep Tulsi in there and other people believe me. And I get so much from Roger and others. Roger just one of five people I've got very close to. President talk to him, who are very concerned and, you know, give me a lot of intel that you hear about here on the show. So Roger is a very good agent for America and for freedom, and we appreciate him. And so it's good to have a Trump acolyte on to be able to hear that. And I'm not obviously going to crap all over the President while we're having that discussion. I want Trump to pull out of this and succeed, but that's not on the Trump train. Off the Trump train. That. Sit back, just real politic. What can we still get that's good out of this guy? But it doesn't look good.

Dan (145:10)

And I'm the chronicler now. This is. This is ridiculous.

Jordan (145:13)

Wolf. Kill me now. Kill me before anything like, hey, look,

Dan (145:18)

I was talking to Roger. And of course I'm not gonna be mean to the President during that either. Friends, come on, man.

Jordan (145:23)

I. If Jordan, your options are to live as a worm beneath the boot of Roger fucking Stone or to just die. I'm going with number two, buddy.

Dark Waters (145:34)

Mm.

Jordan (145:34)

Jesus Christ.

Dan (145:36)

So I'm gonna skip this next clip because it's just a real bummer where Alex plays a video that his son made about how great.

Jordan (145:42)

No, I don't know. Nope, we cannot do that. Not after this. It's not after this.

Dan (145:47)

It's the equivalent of. Of like, hey, my son made a macaroni picture of me as Superman.

Jordan (145:51)

I don't need this as. I don't need a poignant memory while you fucking demonstrate your impotence.

Dan (145:57)

Yeah, it's very sad.

Jordan (145:59)

Yeah.

Dan (145:59)

So I'm gonna skip ahead to where Alex, he's done a little bit more of the show and then he realizes, like, I gotta. I gotta talk about some stuff. I gotta do it.

Alex Jones (146:09)

All right. Now, most people would imagine today if you tune into my show with Trump viciously attacking me yesterday with a bunch of baseless garbage, that I would just be spending all day attacking him and just creating all the controversial statements I could to just stay in the news. I don't care about getting in the news over some stupid quibble. Again, I have opened up my Google News alerts when your name's mentioned and. And there's been 36000 articles in one day about me. Remember all that again? Aps and I think individual tweets count as articles hits it. It'll say, you know, 25 000. Just one AP article will be that. It's like every day, 10,000, 20,000, 18,000. Some days, 36, 000. Every nightly news show, remember, I'm the devil. I'm hurting families of dead kids. All that garbage, every 300 plus million with off of charity saying I was victimizing the parent did none of it. No one pissed on their graves. No one came to their houses. No one did anything. It was just all made up.

Dan (147:13)

Alex just defamed the families again, saying that all the things they said about him were made up. I'm not sure if anyone can prove that someone peed on a grave, but those parents also didn't claim that anyone did. They claimed that someone contacted them and said that he had peed on their kid's grave. And I'm sure that they can prove that. The bigger problem is that there are multiple parents who can demonstrably prove that people showed up to their house and stopped. Specifically Wolfgang Halbig, who Alex was promoting and fundraising for on his show like this. If there was a functional system of, like, law, he should go to jail for that.

Jordan (147:49)

Yep.

Dan (147:50)

He's directly doing the exact same thing that he's been bankrupted for.

Jordan (147:55)

Yeah. But, you know, it was really nice to hear. It was really nice to read so many articles at the time where Alex admitted finally that he had, he had wronged the parents.

Dan (148:07)

It felt good.

Jordan (148:07)

It felt good to read so many articles.

Dan (148:09)

Yep.

Jordan (148:10)

Yep.

Dan (148:11)

So Alex, he thinks, like, I don't mean to, I don't need to attack back. I'm, I'm cool. I'm fine.

Jordan (148:18)

Out of your mind.

Alex Jones (148:19)

It's not the issue that he even attacked me. That's a side issue. It's that he is literally pushing Democrat Party talking points via Mark Levin. And we know it's Mark Levitas just word for word. I mean, I knew it when I saw it, you know, yesterday, but I'm not going to go ape and just start attacking Trump here now. I don't think having Roger on saying nice things about him is going to make him be nice to me. I'm like, oh, please don't hurt me. For me personally, it's good to break away from Trump because he's never helped me any of that, but because he was better for the country, the Democrats, I just took it. But just like, I didn't care about all the attacks. I don't care about CNN playing clips of me and MSNBC and all. What does that do? Nothing. They have tiny army audiences. I hate being associated with them, but I have to tell the truth.

Dan (149:02)

So I, I, I don't know if it's just because he said ape there, but yeah, I feel like he's been domesticated.

Jordan (149:08)

Like, that's a good way of putting it.

Dan (149:10)

Yeah, he's been tamed in some way. Like, this is not, this doesn't make sense.

Jordan (149:17)

Nope.

Dan (149:19)

You're holding on to something that is meaningless in the face of, of meaningful attacks.

Jordan (149:25)

I, I Mean, this is up. This is up. It is up because I'm watching a man who has been kept in a cage for 10 years have the cage opened and have the guy say, leave, I want you gone. Get out of this cage. And he closes the cage door while he's still inside it. It is depressing.

Dan (149:50)

It makes you think of like, I don't know if this is true, but it's something I've heard, so I didn't fact check this. I don't know if it's accurate.

Jordan (149:57)

Okay. Okay.

Dan (149:58)

But people tell you that if you chain an elephant up to a tree, it doesn't know that it can like break the tree and walk off. It just feels like it's chained to this tree and will stay there.

Jordan (150:09)

Right.

Dan (150:10)

That's what Alex feels like.

Jordan (150:11)

Feels very much like that he could break this tree.

Dan (150:14)

But there must be something else. It's there, There's a psychological impediment or something that he knows. Roger knows.

Jordan (150:20)

Yeah.

Dan (150:21)

And it's just sad.

Jordan (150:23)

It's a bummer.

Dan (150:23)

He has a shock collar.

Jordan (150:25)

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I genuinely, genuinely, I honestly want to help him. Right.

Dan (150:32)

I don't.

Jordan (150:33)

I do, I do. I want to be like, fucking. I listen, I can yell.

Dan (150:39)

Isn't this fascinating the way that our positions have even reversed? I used to want to help him and I don't. You said, here's the problem.

Jordan (150:47)

Here's the problem. The problem. I don't like a man who's lost his ability to yell. That. That's a personal thing for me. I just, I would like to see him lose. I would like to see him fail. But I want to lose. I want to see him lose in a fight. You know, not like, not like.

Dan (151:00)

Well, I mean, you were the three time state yelling champion.

Jordan (151:03)

I have yelled.

Dan (151:04)

I dreamed of one day finding a box of money.

Jordan (151:06)

I have yelled many a person down.

Alex Jones (151:08)

Yeah.

Dan (151:09)

So Alex was working out that morning, really getting, getting some curls.

Jordan (151:13)

Good call.

Dan (151:14)

You know, really y. And he decided, I'm burning. Trump him good this morning.

Alex Jones (151:20)

I. I had made the decision while I was lifting weights to get blood pumping. Your brain's really working well. And hit the weights, do some, do some aerobic moves. That's the workout we're doing this morning. I was pouring sweat. Nice 80 minute workout. And I said, said I'm just going to score church trump to get him back on track. Only way to do it is to go after him viciously because, I mean, look, the Democrats are infinitely more corrupt than him. And he wasn't really corrupt the first term, the insider trading, now all the kids of the cabinet officials. It is just robbery town. And I'm like, am I going to just sit here, wait for Todd Blanche to indict me for something? I didn't just sit here and wait for Trump to attack me. But I'm like, well, I, I need him to get back on track. I need him just turn things around. But I'm also sitting here like I'm not your average bear. Like I know a lot and I know right where to hit everything. And you're like, well, you're responsible to do that. Yeah, but it's like paltry compared to the big picture. It's, it's. And I, I mentioned a lot of it, but I don't want to overthink it. But I'm just telling Trump something right now. The globalist sued my family, who wasn't involved with me, and bankrupted them. Except they would take intact. I've been through a lot of stuff.

Jordan (152:46)

They think you're stupid.

Alex Jones (152:47)

And if I see any inkling with Mark Levit, everybody talking about me being deplatformed again and you're calling for by his arrest. If I see any of that, and it's not like I'm saying this so you, they leave me alone. I'm on the verge of it. But there's so much, the Democrats are so much worse that I don't want to make my full time show a war against Trump. But if you, here's the thing, you've already all over me and if you try to rub it in, I just, at that point I don't care anymore. So if you think I've been coming after you, if you think that I'm trying to get clicks by attacking you so the Democrats that don't buy anything from me and don't like me want to put me in jail. If you think I've been on your, your ass, say one more thing. One more thing more. Lumer, send him this.

Jordan (153:38)

Say five or six thousand more things

Alex Jones (153:40)

when I'm going through hell backing your ass because you were the lesser two evils. And I'm gonna show you how the cow at the cabbage do one more thing.

Jordan (153:50)

You should be kissing my ass,

Dark Waters (153:54)

but

Alex Jones (153:55)

instead you shed all over me and rub it. Okay.

Dan (153:58)

Okay.

Jordan (153:59)

Yeah.

Dan (154:00)

So I think that after talking to Roger, Alex knew.

Alex Jones (154:06)

Yep.

Jordan (154:07)

And knows he's not going anywhere.

Dan (154:09)

And that Trump doesn't give a shit about what he says, not even a little bit. And I think that there's a little bit of freedom with that Because I think that probably when they were talking, Roger is like, Trump isn't mad at you. He doesn't care.

Jordan (154:24)

You don't exactly.

Dan (154:25)

Attacking you is a just.

Jordan (154:28)

Yeah. We don't even know why. Yeah, there's no why. There's just.

Alex Jones (154:32)

He did.

Dan (154:32)

It's because most people back down to stuff like this.

Jordan (154:36)

Yeah. You know, like it works like Alex,

Dan (154:38)

it works like 90% of the time or whatever. So it's a good strategy. Just be a bully.

Jordan (154:42)

Just be a bully.

Dan (154:43)

So I have to assume that Alex understood that and was like, well, okay, so if I say some shit, Trump's not even going to hear it. He's not going to care. Whatever. I can save some face and he's not going to respond.

Alex Jones (154:58)

Right.

Dan (154:59)

So I can be like, I'm taking the high road. But you motherfucker, you say one more thing about my family, you, I will fucking work you.

Jordan (155:07)

One more thing.

Dan (155:08)

Yeah. And I think that, Jesus Christ, this is his win, win. Because he gets to be like, all right, you, you in my face. Don't rub it in.

Alex Jones (155:17)

Whatever.

Dan (155:17)

You know all this, I care about the principles and saving America. I'm not in this petty fight.

Jordan (155:22)

Sure.

Dan (155:22)

He gets to do that. And then he also gets to try and taunt Trump to say something else to keep the cycle going.

Jordan (155:31)

Right.

Dan (155:33)

And I think that he knows that either way, it's the best way out of the situation. Cuz Trump and Roger don't care. He can't hurt them.

Jordan (155:43)

Yeah.

Dan (155:44)

And if Trump says nothing, pretending like I told him, you say one more fucking thing.

Jordan (155:50)

Yeah.

Dan (155:51)

If it's radio silence for another 10 years and yeah, it doesn't get mentioned by Trump, he can act like this scolding really worked.

Jordan (155:59)

Yeah.

Dan (156:00)

And if Trump does say one more thing, then Alex is free to then do the blow up that we all want.

Jordan (156:07)

Right.

Dan (156:08)

He can go get that bottle of Tito's.

Jordan (156:09)

But he won't work. He won't. Because this is one. This. Because he'll say just one more thing that, that time.

Dan (156:15)

Sure.

Jordan (156:15)

The thing about Sampson, and this is what's very important about Samson. Right. He got fucked. He lost. He realized he lost. And then he was like, I gotta take this whole thing down. He didn't go, hey, if you guys cut off my hair one more time, I am going to write a very sternly worded letter. No, he grabbed the whole fucking place and he brought it down around his ears because you can't with me like that.

Dan (156:44)

But that's, that's why we, we still tell tales of that and not people, Alex. Yeah. So we have one last clip, and it's just him begging Trump to say something. Just say it to my face.

Jordan (156:54)

Jesus Christ.

Alex Jones (156:55)

Go ahead. Say one more thing about me. Go ahead and attack me one more time.

Jordan (157:01)

Hold me back.

Alex Jones (157:03)

Hold me back and you'll find out, because I. Know where to hit you. Leave me alone. I don't want to be at your Mar Lago, your tuxedos, bunch of parrots posing. I'm not looking for government contracts. I've never asked for anything. Ed Martin contacted me and said, incredible evidence of the government attacking you. They had all the proof, the DOJ funding, the lawsuits ringing and all, and he's a great guy. And then. And then Todd Blanche kills it and then calls me a kook and says I don't deserve to have my rights defended, and I'm in civil rights lawsuits. You know, that's fine. I didn't blame Trump. I just said, okay, I'll take it, but I will not take any more of your crap.

Jordan (157:55)

Oh, did you take too much?

Alex Jones (157:59)

Your betrayal, your narcissism, the. The open kleptocratic insider trading that is just wholesale in your administration. I've mentioned it, but said, yeah, it's just par for the course now. But I'm not looking for a fight. But if you want one, you came to the right place. So I'm like a rattlesnake. I got my look. They're not a really aggressive stakes. Water moccasins come after you and bite you. Cobras come after you. I'm like, rattles things, trying to get away. I'm like, hey, hey, leave me alone. Hey, please don't step on me. God, that really hurts. Please stop. Oh, oh, your daddy's over here. Let me step on your mommy. Let me step on your kids.

Jordan (158:40)

And I'm just like, all right, they think you're stupid.

Alex Jones (158:42)

I'm like, Darth Vader looking up for Palpatine. Looking like Skywalker. I'm like, all right, I'm going to politically throw you down the reactor shaft in two seconds and just, hey, does Alex Jones bluff? No, I don't.

Jordan (158:54)

He bluffs.

Alex Jones (158:55)

You think I'm intimidated by you? Trump the President of the United States,

Jordan (158:58)

he says, intimidated by your hit teams,

Alex Jones (159:01)

all the rest of it. Whatever, man. You got God to deal with. I want to focus on the midterms, the Democrats.

Jordan (159:06)

I want to promote what good you're doing, and I want to be left alone.

Alex Jones (159:13)

If you let Laura Loomer and then Israeli operatives sit there and chew on Me like I'm some chew toy. I'm done. Because you're an idiot. Two inches. Two inches. You think I've been attacking you for years, buddy. I've been trying to defend you for years. So I'm gonna tell you one more time, do not cross that line. Leave me alone. You ought to kiss.

Jordan (159:45)

Oh, oh, oh.

Alex Jones (159:46)

Jones would be on my side if I talked to him. I haven't tried to talk to you. I don't even return your phone calls. Trump. You know that. I didn't take your invites. I don't want to be around what you're involved in, buddy.

Dan (159:57)

Like what? I. I think that during that segment, Alex definitely told them music cues.

Alex Jones (160:05)

Y.

Dan (160:06)

Because it starts with no more Mr. Nice Guy.

Jordan (160:08)

Yeah.

Dan (160:09)

And goes out with so be it.

Alex Jones (160:12)

Friends no more.

Jordan (160:13)

Yeah. Yeah. This is definitely on purpose. Choices.

Dan (160:16)

I had to get this off my chest, and I wanted to be a little dramatic about it, which I. Which I applaud. Any kind of preparation is nice.

Jordan (160:23)

It is. It's better than, well, most of what he did.

Dark Waters (160:27)

So.

Dan (160:28)

Because we're recording this on Saturday, I don't know what Alex's Saturday show is or if he even did one or what. But there's two ways that I think that this could be taken.

Jordan (160:40)

Okay.

Dan (160:40)

One is he's desperately begging Trump to say something about him again so that they can get the feud going and sell the pay per view. Maybe, you know, like pro wrestling type hype.

Jordan (160:50)

Sure.

Dan (160:50)

It's not good if you give it away on free television.

Dark Waters (160:54)

Yep.

Dan (160:54)

You know, like, you have to build to the big match.

Jordan (160:57)

Yeah.

Dan (160:57)

And so maybe there's a part of it that is that. And that's what he's trying to do. But the other part is kind of just. I think the other possibility is he's trying to save face because he knows that Roger and Trump don't care.

Alex Jones (161:11)

Yep.

Dan (161:12)

And this. This will be about it for him. Talking about this.

Jordan (161:17)

No, I'm pretty sure I've talked about it before on the show. But the. The Facebook lady who worked for Facebook for 20 years, and I read her her dumb book, and like, 15 different times, she's like. And that's when I knew I had to quit. And then she got fired. And that's why she wrote the book. She would have stayed there.

Dan (161:34)

Right.

Jordan (161:35)

She would have stayed there forever. It doesn't matter. They could do whatever they want to her. And then when they threw her aside, they didn't care.

Dan (161:42)

Right.

Jordan (161:42)

They didn't care.

Dan (161:43)

And then the best thing you can do is try and create some kind of heroics out of decisions you could have made, didn't make, should have made. And a lot of them, a lot of the times, if you can, you pretend you did make them.

Jordan (161:56)

Yeah.

Dan (161:57)

So Alex will probably be like, yeah, I couldn't go along with the Epstein stuff. Just like Marjorie Taylor Greene.

Jordan (162:01)

Yeah. It's important to. Before you write or remember memoir, think about am I the person who did stuff or am I the person who should have done stuff and then got fired? And then if you're the latter, don't write it.

Dan (162:12)

Yeah.

Jordan (162:13)

Yeah.

Dan (162:14)

So I think that, you know, we come to the end of this little ride and what a day, what a 24 hour period.

Jordan (162:21)

This was a roller coaster.

Dan (162:22)

He had a miracle on air.

Jordan (162:25)

Yep.

Dan (162:25)

Dark waters started singing.

Jordan (162:27)

Yep.

Dan (162:27)

They had a battle ax Trump shit in his face.

Jordan (162:31)

I.

Dan (162:31)

And then he and Harrison had the weeniest responses to it that you could imagine.

Jordan (162:37)

The. The hype that you gave me. Right. Delivered first off, but second, delivered in an unexpected way. I've. I've gone everywhere emotionally. I have gone all across this whole gamut in a way that I haven't in, in quite a while. It's been very easily and predictable and

Dan (162:56)

I think that it peaked a little early, you know, in terms of like the things that are delights.

Harrison (163:00)

Yeah.

Dan (163:00)

Well, ends kind of depressingly and kind of doesn't feel great.

Jordan (163:04)

Well, I mean, it's supposed to end like that. This doesn't have a happy ending.

Dan (163:08)

No, that's true. This is more tragedy than.

Jordan (163:10)

Yeah. We're not. We're not watching the meteoric phoenix appear from the ashes of Alex. We are watching a phoenix get shit on until it dies.

Dan (163:21)

Yep.

Jordan (163:21)

Yep.

Dan (163:22)

So I don't know, we'll see what happens on Saturday, but I think it's either going to be fucking amazing or boring as hell.

Jordan (163:31)

It's going to be so boring.

Dan (163:32)

It's one of the two. And history has shown me that it's often more boring.

Jordan (163:37)

Yeah.

Dan (163:38)

But who knows? Get him a bottle, somebody get him

Jordan (163:40)

some Wild Turkey and let's go. Let's have a good time.

Dan (163:43)

So we'll see what happens. But until we find out, we have a website.

Jordan (163:47)

Indeed we do. It's knowledgefight.com.

Dark Waters (163:48)

yep.

Dan (163:49)

We'll be back. But until then, I'm Neo. I'm Leo Medez X Clark. I am the mysterious Professor Woo.

Alex Jones (163:55)

Yeah. Woo. Yeah.

Dan (163:56)

Woo.

Jordan (163:57)

And now here comes the sex robot.

Alex Jones (163:59)

Andy and Chanz, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

Jordan (164:03)

Hello, Alex. I'm a first time caller.

Alex Jones (164:05)

I'M a huge fan.

Jordan (164:06)

I love your work.

Alex Jones (164:07)

I love you.