Re-Release: January 27, 2016

Summary

Knowledge Fight — Re-Release: January 27, 2016 (Re-Relased Jan 26, 2026)

Hosts: Dan & Jordan
Theme: Dissecting a 2016 Alex Jones episode in the wake of the Malheur Wildlife Refuge standoff, focusing on Alex’s historical myth-making, narcissism, and coded racism.

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Overview

In this episode, Dan and Jordan revisit Alex Jones’s January 27, 2016 Infowars broadcast, recorded shortly after the police killing of militant protester LaVoy Finicum at the Oregon Malheur Wildlife Refuge occupation. Through a series of clips, the hosts analyze Jones’s worldview, deconstruct his historical lore, expose recurring coded racism, and interrogate his messianic sense of self. This is a deep-dive into the origins and impacts of Jones’s ahistorical conspiracies—and how they fit into the broader context of American reactionary myth-making.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Podcast Framing and Episode Theme ([08:09])

• Dan and Jordan announce a retrospective episode, highlighting this broadcast as a line in the sand for how to understand Alex Jones—particularly his self-imposed martyrdom complex and the role of conspiracy “lore” in his worldview.
• Jordan: "You have to look at Alex Jones completely differently after you hear a couple of things he says on this episode." [07:11]
• They tease that Jones’s comments about the Oregon standoff go beyond his typical bluster, exposing uncomfortable truths about his beliefs and methods.

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2. Alex Jones’s Martyr Complex ([08:24], [08:52])

• Dan plays a clip of Jones explicitly adopting the persona of a would-be martyr:

  "I have put the energy for 21 years of someone willing to die, ready to die, into an information war... When it happens... to have it be just like the archetype of the martyr... Then I win." [08:24–09:37]

• The hosts note Jones’s narcissism—a recurring motif where he frames himself as the true “general” or leader, as opposed to the “trench” fighters like the Bundys.
• Jordan: "Why don't you guys understand that for 20 years I've been building myself up as a martyr that no one will ever martyr..." [09:44]
• This self-comparison to historical martyrs sets the stage for Jones’s epic, but historically illiterate, retelling of American resistance and revolution.

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3. Coded Racism and the Bundy Standoff ([11:26], [65:08])

• Jones swiftly denigrates the Bundys as “not generals,” positioning himself as someone above their "white trash" status—a backhanded endorsement laced with racial undertones ([12:10]).
• When Biggs and Alex discuss the media’s labeling of the Oregon occupiers as “white terrorists,” they pivot to blaming Black Lives Matter, drawing a false (and overtly racist) contrast between the “tidy,” law-breaking Bundyites and “rioting” Black protesters:

  Joe Biggs: "I didn’t see anyone in Black Lives Matter in Ferguson break into a store and start doing shopkeep work..." [65:22]

• Dan immediately exposes the hypocrisy, citing actual reports of damage and desecration of Native artifacts at the Malheur site, directly contradicting this racist minimization ([66:49]).

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4. Alex’s Lore & Historical Revisionism: The Alamo, Travis, and Illuminati ([13:42], [16:28], [18:48])

• The centerpiece is Jones’s astonishing “history” of the Alamo, Travis, and the rise of Texas as a Rosicrucian “new Atlantis”:

  "They planned with President Andrew Jackson... to send Colonel Travis... down to the Alamo to fight 10 to 1 odds to die to create a chain reaction to give birth to Texas..." [16:48]

• Dan provides an extensive fact-check, summarizing William Travis’s life as that of a debt-ridden, opportunistic small-town lawyer who married a teenager and failed upward—explicitly debunking the Rosicrucian “sacrifice” narrative.

• The hosts label Jones’s version as “fan fiction”—oral lore mistaken for concrete history, used to buttress radical right-wing myth-making.

  Notable Quote:

  Jordan (quoting Texas Monthly): "He spent all his short life seeking out a stage upon which to play out his self-appointed destiny. ...That’s Alex Jones. That’s a hundred percent Alex Jones." [35:06]

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5. Secret Societies, Illuminati, and Lore as Source Material ([37:17], [38:18], [47:21])

• Jones dives into Illuminati lore, spinning a narrative where George Washington was killed ("bled to death") by a Luciferian faction for defending the "good Illuminati."
• Jordan demonstrates, via actual Washington letters, how these conspiracy theories originated in misread German pamphlets, not in fact:

  "Jordan: 'He gets all his information from lore, not fact...'" [47:21]

• Jones’s mapping of current events (including the Oregon standoff) onto ancient “religious orders” warring for America is shown as a dangerous and deeply compelling fantasy.

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6. Cynicism, Desensitization, and Alex as Controlled Opposition ([74:08–77:14])

• An appearance by CIA “whistleblower” Tosh Plumlee leads to a meta-conversation about how Jones himself is suspected by conspiracist critics of being a communication “gatekeeper” for shadowy interests—i.e., the “patriot movement’s” limited hangout.
  Jordan: “Alex Jones’s role ... is there to train you to think you don't have anything you can do.” [74:56–76:19]
• The hosts highlight how Jones's methodology is to leave his listeners paralyzed: activism and reform are discouraged, despair and paranoia are stoked.

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7. Other Key Segments & Noteworthy Clips

a. Alex’s News Riffing and Repetition ([86:35–89:20])

• Jones simply repeats headlines with no context ("60% of refugees heading to Europe are economic migrants... Feminized males will allow Muslims to conquer Europe..."), using repetition in place of analysis, designed to instill fear.

b. Feds, False Flags, and the Ever-Expandable Deep State ([69:12–70:13])

• Every act of white terrorism is explained away as a "fed" op. Jones claims to have been approached "30 plus times" by agents seeking his help in bombing police stations, exposing a deeply conspiratorial (and self-aggrandizing) worldview.

c. Shout-outs and Satire ([02:56], [25:09], [80:43])

• Satirical asides (e.g., measuring nutrients in "pounds of blueberries," exasperation over the misuse of the "Omega Man" metaphor) serve as both comic relief and pendants to the show’s debunking posture.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (with Timestamps)

• Alex Jones on Martyrdom:

  “When it happens... to have it be just like the archetype of the martyr. ...Then that death means something. Then that death is worth millions dying in a fight.” [08:52]

• Jordan, on William Travis (the “Alamo Hero”):

  “He spent all his short life seeking out a stage upon which to play out his self-appointed destiny... That’s Alex Jones.” [35:06]

• Alex on George Washington & Illuminati:

  “We know they bled him to death because he was getting ready to lead a movement in the Masonic order to kick the devil worshiping Illuminati out of it.” [37:17]

• Dan, on Alex’s method:

  “It's the strategy of repetition with no analysis. No discussion of whether or not these things I'm saying are true or what the context of these things are. Just repetition. So you believe it. It's beat into your head. Right? Be afraid.” [87:00]

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Important Timestamps

• 07:11 — Jordan signals a turning point for understanding Alex Jones’s worldview.
• 08:24–09:37 — Jones describes his years-long performance of martyrdom.
• 16:28–19:14 — Jones’s full “Alamo as Rosicrucian Sacrifice” myth.
• 25:09–35:06 — Dan’s deep-dive debunking of William Travis’s life.
• 38:18–47:21 — Jones’s Illuminati/Masonic/American “lore”; historical facts vs. Jones’s fantasy.
• 65:08–68:14 — Racist comparisons between the Malheur and Ferguson situations; real cleanup costs and impact on Native sites.
• 74:08–77:14 — Tosh Plumlee discussion about “communication controllers” and Jones as gatekeeper/desensitizer.
• 86:35–89:20 — “Riffing the headlines”: Alex’s fear-mongering stripped of context and analysis.

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Tone and Language

The hosts combine sharp research and brutal fact-checking with irreverent humor, frequently breaking the fourth wall (satirizing both conspiracy lore and podcasting culture). Their tone runs from deadpan to incredulous, skewering the grandiosity and delusion at the heart of Infowars rhetoric.

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Conclusion

This episode is a master class in debunking the paranoid, self-mythologizing universe that Alex Jones inhabits and broadcasts. It lays bare how a narrative of lore, not fact, underpins not only Jones’s political worldview but also his personal identity. By revealing these mechanics, Dan and Jordan expose both the fragility and danger of this approach—and demonstrate why challenging bigoted, ahistorical fantasy matters.

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Listen if you want to understand:

• How conspiracy media crafts self-validating myth out of American history
• The racism and double standards hiding beneath "patriot" rhetoric
• Why Alex Jones isn’t just a charlatan, but a true believer in himself as tragic martyr-hero

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Enduring Takeaways

• Lore and legend (not fact and history) are the lifeblood of the Infowars mythos.
• Jones’s conspiracism is as much about self-narration as about audience persuasion.
• Even guests and fellow conspiracy theorists sometimes (subtly) call out his gatekeeping and narrative control.
• American exceptionalism, martyrdom, and coded racism often operate in tandem in far-right myth-making media.

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Transcript

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Hello, Alex, I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan.

[Alex]

I love your work.

[Dan]

I love you.

[Jordan]

Hey everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

I'm Dan.

[Alex]

I'm Jordan.

[Jordan]

We're a couple dudes who like to sit around, drink novelty beverages and talk a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Alex]

That's what we do. Dan, is there a hook to that?

[Jordan]

There is. There's a hook. And that is that I know a lot about Alex Jones.

[Alex]

I don't know anything about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Indeed, that is. That is the hook also. Just because we gotta say it up top.

[Alex]

Gotta.

[Jordan]

This Saturday we will be live.

[Alex]

You have to listen to this plug.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Alex]

Or you won't get the rest of the show. You can turn it off now, but you won't get the rest of the show.

[Jordan]

And let me tell you, today, sit through this plug happily. Because I got some fucked up stuff to play for you that Alex Jones said deep in the past.

[Alex]

That's how good we are at advertising. Guys, hold tight. We're gonna plug. Just ignore this part.

[Jordan]

Please don't.

[Alex]

Then you'll get to the. No, no, don't worry about this plug. We gotta do it. But just ignore it. Just. This isn't for you.

[Jordan]

We'll be at the Playground Theater January 20th at 10:30pm Tickets still available?

[Alex]

I don't know. They're going fast.

[Jordan]

You can get tickets at playgroundtheater.knowledge-fight.

[Alex]

It might just be playground.com. you know what?

[Jordan]

The Playground, doc. Who cares?

[Alex]

Hell if I know. This again. We're bad at this.

[Jordan]

We'll tweet out the link anyway. We'll be live. It'll be a great time, a lot of fun. Still not entirely sure what episode of Alex Jones will be covering that is still up in the air to a certain degree.

[Alex]

Yeah, it's theplaygroundtheater.com show knowledge fight.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Alex]

That's a lot to get through. Just go to theplaygroundtheater.com and find. Figure it out.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

Sooner or later you'll be able to buy tickets.

[Jordan]

Novelty beverage today is as it's becoming pretty habitual at this point. Arnold Palmer.

[Alex]

This time we're going with light as opposed to the third less calories.

[Jordan]

The zero calories which we have been drinking a bit in the past.

[Alex]

Apparently they have four different types. Regular, 1/3 less calories, 2/3 less calories. Zero calories.

[Jordan]

Dude, they also got a strawberry one too.

[Alex]

Do they?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

How many calories?

[Jordan]

Tons. So much. It's A lot.

[Alex]

Almost as many sugars. Is that one. Bullshit.

[Jordan]

We drank that. No, not nearly that much. Not a mystic level. Yeah, but something is. That's mystical in terms of their allure to me.

[Alex]

Is the rap hero mystical?

[Jordan]

No, he's not a hero. He is a horrible dude.

[Alex]

I'm sorry, what?

[Jordan]

He went to prison for aggravated sexual assault.

[Alex]

Okay, well, then fuck mystical.

[Jordan]

Yeah, mystical.

[Alex]

I take all of that back forever.

[Jordan]

It really gave a very different feel to that one line of his. It was like I came in with.

[Dan]

My dick in my hand.

[Jordan]

Be cool.

[Alex]

Yeah, no, that's not good. No, that's. That's describing the crime you just committed.

[Jordan]

Exactly. But look, I'd like to give a shout out to our donors. No way to. No way to pivot out of that one. Jesus, Jordan, what the hell?

[Alex]

I'm sorry. I'm tearing it. I'm tearing it down.

[Jordan]

I'd like to give a shout out to our new donators. What's up out there, Hannah? Thanks for becoming a policy wonk.

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk.

[Jordan]

Thank you so much.

[Alex]

Thank you so much, Hannah.

[Jordan]

We appreciate it.

[Alex]

Also, you should tell this to your sisters.

[Jordan]

Oh, boy. I'd like to also give a shout out to. Hold on, I get it.

[Alex]

Your sister.

[Jordan]

Okay. I'd like to also say thank you very much and congratulations to a new globalist out there.

[Alex]

Oh, shit.

[Jordan]

What's up out there, John H?

[Dan]

I'm a policy wonk. Go home to your mother and tell her you're brilliant. Someone.

[Jordan]

Someone.

[Dan]

Sodomite sent me a bucket of poop. Daddy Shark.

[Jordan]

We really appreciate it so much.

[Dan]

Thank you.

[Alex]

God, I. Look, I don't. This isn't about money anymore, right? I just want to have one episode where, like, 10 different people decide to become globalists, and we just play that forever, and then we just end the.

[Jordan]

Show that would end up. It's nine seconds long.

[Alex]

Yeah, I would be fine with that. I would be fine with that.

[Jordan]

We do appreciate it so much. And in addition to, like, as if I needed more work to do for this show, in addition to the live show that we're putting together, we are well on our way towards making that goal.

[Alex]

Oh, really?

[Jordan]

Yes. We are on pace to make the goal, which will force us to start doing the documentary coverage.

[Alex]

We did not believe in you. We appreciate it very much. This was a bluff, and you guys have called it.

[Jordan]

If we.

[Alex]

Thank you.

[Jordan]

If we reach our goal, which I believe we're 60% of the way to this point, by February 1st, we will begin breaking down Alex Jones's documentary Endgame, which will be a disaster for my sanity and my sleep schedule.

[Alex]

I'll be fine.

[Jordan]

My sanity I pronounce very weirdly. So, Jordan, today.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Jordan]

On the show, on the broadcast.

[Alex]

All right. If you had the plug paused, now.

[Jordan]

Is the time to start it right today. Jordan, as we mentioned on the last show. Yes. We got together this weekend and tried to compile a list of potential things to cover for our live show Saturday Playground Theater, 10:30pm, January 20th. Right. We came up with the list. Included on that list was the day Ratzinger, the old Pope, stepped down.

[Alex]

Which seems like a great day.

[Jordan]

I think that would have been amazing.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Turns out Alex Jones was on a week long vacation when that happened.

[Alex]

Motherfucker.

[Jordan]

And there was a guest host so that.

[Alex]

Well, he was actually voting for the new Pope. He was. I don't know if you knew this or not. Alex Jones is a cardinal in the Catholic Church.

[Jordan]

That could be it. That might have explained it. Yep. The other, another one was the leap year in 2012.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

How's he going to play on his leap? On the leap year?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He might get weird about that, about the calendar and, and overages and shortages.

[Alex]

That's the type of Alex Jones that we like to deal with.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Alex]

The guy who's like, leap years are globalist plot. I'm in.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

I'm in.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. That would be amazing. Unfortunately, I went back to that day and he's just saying Ron Paul could still win. He's in Louisiana, broadcasting from a hotel room. It's terrible. It's an awful show.

[Alex]

I'm a big fan.

[Jordan]

Very, very boring. Yeah. And so I went through a bunch of these possibilities and they're just nothing. They're no good. But one of them stuck out in my mind is like, this is gonna be a good one.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And I.

[Alex]

Not alive.

[Jordan]

I listened to it and it turns out it is a good one. But we could not do this one live.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And that is the day after Lavoy Finicum got shot by the police in that Oregon.

[Alex]

Wait, was that the Oregon Wildlife Preserve? Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Okay. All right. All right. There we go.

[Jordan]

I knew Alex would be freaking out, you know?

[Alex]

You know, it's a crazy coincidence. I have been bored at work, so I've just been listening to old dollops. I listened to that episod earlier today.

[Jordan]

It's a good episode.

[Alex]

It's a good one.

[Jordan]

We probably won't get into the actual standoff all that much.

[Alex]

I wouldn't understand why we would.

[Jordan]

We have to deal with it slightly, briefly. Just because they get super racist about it. But at the same time, how could.

[Alex]

You not get racist about a bunch of. A bunch of weird, false military, white guys occupying a bird reserve?

[Jordan]

Right. Well, the way they get racist is really fascinating and I'm excited to talk about it. But what's more fascinating is Alex. I don't know what's going on, but he says a couple of things in this episode that are beyond the pale. I told you this before the show.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

I stand by it. You have to look at Alex Jones completely differently after you hear a couple of things he says on this episode.

[Alex]

All right.

[Jordan]

This episode will give some context to some of the beliefs he has.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And where they come from and how stupid he is. Okay. So we will. We will do that. We'll get.

[Alex]

I believe ORCA should run this planet. Climate change is good.

[Jordan]

Well, that's actually the episode. I mean.

[Alex]

Yeah, you nailed it.

[Jordan]

Yeah, you.

[Alex]

Let's get it.

[Jordan]

Go. So where we're going to start today is at the beginning of the episode. Alex Jones is talking about how he doesn't want this to get hot. He doesn't want it to be a hot war. Right, right. That's not. No, of course that's not what they're into. That's another. Not into shooting. Like, don't. These people at this. This preserve are amateurs. And it should not. Yeah, there's probably feds and it shouldn't get into a violent war now. Let's not do that.

[Alex]

I'm glad you qualified it with the now part.

[Jordan]

Well, he's into that, but then also what he ends up saying after it is incredibly telling about his mentality and his personal feeling about his place in the world. This is. This is some weird stuff to start out with.

[Alex]

The Mormons are literal birds.

[Dan]

I have put the energy for 21 years of someone willing to die ready to die into an information war, but not that way. Fully ready to be. Shut up. Fully ready to be put in prison, fully ready to be killed. But when it happens, I'll do my best. If it happens, to have it be just like the archetype of the martyr.

[Alex]

If he says Martin Luther King Jr.

[Dan]

Killing everybody and let Darth Vader cut me right in half, then I win. Then that death means something. Then that death is worth millions dying in a fight. But you have to build the consciousness. You have to build the system. You have to build the personality. You have to build sacrifice and make the sacrifice great and make the sacrifice loved when it's Destroyed as they try to assassinate my character. As they try to kill my name. It's already a martyr level event which humans admire at a deep, primitive level.

[Jordan]

So from the jump, we're getting this idea. First of all, he's trying to take the shine off Lavoy a little bit.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It'd be like, I'm the one martyr.

[Alex]

Come on. Fuck that guy.

[Jordan]

Why don't you guys understand that for 20 years I've been building myself up as a martyr that no one will.

[Alex]

Ever martyr, and I'm going to become a force ghost.

[Jordan]

Right, Exactly.

[Alex]

Why don't you guys get this? Right, right, right.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. I think that that's kind of. I mean, it's indicative of a real mental disorder. Yeah, I think there's a narcissism in there. Oh, you think? A little bit of one. But the way he's saying it isn't like his standard manic thing that he gets whenever he gets into these sort of hyper narcissistic bloviating sessions that he gets into?

[Alex]

No, he believes this.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

100%. A real thing he believes.

[Jordan]

I think, and especially as what we're going to get into, I think this is him externalizing a little bit of stuff that he generally keeps inside. And one of them is that. Don't you guys understand? I'm going to be the hero.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

When they take me down, I will be the hero. He's creating a stage for himself to be what he sees himself to be in his own mind. That's fascinating because that's a very interesting psychology.

[Alex]

He wants to die for the cause, but like, hold on now.

[Jordan]

He's making up a cause.

[Alex]

Not. Not now.

[Jordan]

Right, right, right.

[Alex]

No, no, I will hold on now.

[Jordan]

And when the time comes, I'm going to make sure I cheat it so I look like a victim, which definitely is in line with all of his philosophies and what have you. So in this next clip, Alex Jones gets into that the Bundy group has been infiltrated and there's feds and shit like that, and then says something that might be.

[Alex]

The weird thing is, I think he is right.

[Jordan]

He might be.

[Alex]

I don't know, like, they all just got off.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no. But. But the way he's saying it is like it's crawling with feds.

[Alex]

Oh, okay.

[Jordan]

And he's also saying that all those people who were dressed up like Uncle Sam and all that shit.

[Alex]

Yes.

[Jordan]

They were feds.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Trying to make those people look like assholes.

[Alex]

All of the dildos.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Feds. Feds Feds. Feds sent in those.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah, but the, the cards against humanity guy, he did send in that giant thing.

[Jordan]

He's a fed?

[Alex]

No, he's. He's just a merry trickster.

[Jordan]

So the Bundy group has been infiltrated. Yeah. And then he says, like I said, he says something at the middle to end of this clip that feels like code. Okay.

[Dan]

The Bundys are not the operatives. You can listen to them. Take one look at them, we know where they came from. They're good people. But they wouldn't have been the George Washington's leading the fight. They would have been the guys in the trenches. They are not generals.

[Alex]

Take them out. We don't need them.

[Jordan]

What he's saying?

[Alex]

I mean, we don't need them.

[Jordan]

You take one good look at them, you know where they come from. They're good people. That's their white.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Then beyond that, the, like. They're not general.

[Alex]

They're still trash. Well, no, they're white trash.

[Jordan]

But that's not even what he's saying. He's talking about. He's calling himself the general.

[Alex]

No, of course.

[Jordan]

Without having to say it. Oh, we all denigrating them. Even though they're ostensibly being way more active in the same goal that Alex has. Yeah, he's saying, no, no, no, they're too dumb. They're whatever.

[Alex]

I mean, can you really disagree with him?

[Jordan]

Not fully. Nope.

[Alex]

He does have a point.

[Jordan]

They are not generals.

[Alex]

They are not generals.

[Jordan]

No. So now at this point, this is where we start.

[Alex]

Even in the military.

[Jordan]

No.

[Alex]

Certainly they were lying about that.

[Jordan]

No. Oh, yeah, that is true. A lot of. A lot of stolen valor.

[Alex]

All Marines.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

No, you're not.

[Jordan]

So at this point, Jordan, and this is pretty early in the episode, Alex Jones starts to take a pivot away from talking about the Bundys specifically and starting to talk about his understanding of government.

[Alex]

And Ted Bundy.

[Jordan]

No, no. Doesn't get into them.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

His understanding of government, his understanding of history and this stuff, it's fucking wild stuff. Here's the first one where he talks about the intelligence community.

[Dan]

There's different factions. There's at least seven factions we know of in the CIA. Three major factions in the nsa. Different administrations come in and try to create new factions or take over other ones. There's army versus CIA. There's Navy versus Army.

[Jordan]

That's a football game.

[Alex]

So it's a game. It's a game.

[Dan]

Marine Corps, standalone.

[Alex]

Right.

[Dan]

There's Defense Intelligence.

[Alex]

Everybody's cool with the Marine Corps.

[Jordan]

He's describing Departments?

[Alex]

Everybody's cool with the Marine Corps. No, they're factions, Dan. Factions that are always at war with each other.

[Jordan]

Let the man finish the clip.

[Dan]

There's the big mega banks above it trying to control and manipulate it all. Then there's international factions. It's not just, let's go have a war with the feds. Let's have it start here. Like the Alamo.

[Jordan]

So that. That's. That's what he's saying. It's like there's these intelligence factions, departments.

[Alex]

Right?

[Jordan]

And then he expands it without being specific in any way or even what he's talking about. There are corporations, there's international factions. Yeah.

[Alex]

The CIA is also overseas. Who knows? Could be anywhere.

[Jordan]

No, that's. That's a little weird. Is it? Yeah. Because I would say for someone in Alex Jones's position, it behooves him to be more specific about what he's talking about. If there's seven factions in the CIA, that's come out with it.

[Alex]

What?

[Jordan]

What are you talking about?

[Alex]

What possible. Okay, look, you're in the CIA. There's factions. How could there be seven different factions? There aren't enough ideological differences, probably not in the CIA. What is it? What is it? Like, I want more BLTs in the lunchroom. Like, what kind of factions are we talking about?

[Jordan]

There's not even enough primary colors for them to all have different colored neckerchiefs. Ooh. That's TR for identification. If you see the damn green neckerchief people and you're one of the orange, fuck them. Don't go over there. Do not. Do not set trip with the fucking factions of the CIA.

[Alex]

They will fucking spy on you. Those guys are crazy. We're not even into that.

[Jordan]

We also know that there's only like 15% of them who do the killing. The rest of them are chicken necks.

[Alex]

Right?

[Jordan]

So you wouldn't have to worry about set tripping around the chicken necks. Well.

[Alex]

But every faction is led by one of the guys who does the killing.

[Jordan]

It has to be. I mean, mathematically, if it's 20% right. Who cares? Anyway, I think everybody does.

[Alex]

This is the most important news of the day.

[Jordan]

This is. No, it's not. Maybe so far. And not the day. The show. Because. Right. Who. Boy. But this next clip is profoundly fucked up. This. Put your mic down for this.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

And. Oh, boy, oh, boy, oh, boy. You're about to get a history lesson courtesy of Emmerich Jones.

[Dan]

There's. Let's have it start here.

[Jordan]

Like the Alamo I just put that there so it's clear that there's no break.

[Alex]

No break in place.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Long pause.

[Dan]

You know that they planned with President Andrew Jackson In 19, in 1835, a year out, what they did in Texas, you know, they sent Colonel Travis, this is inside baseball, but it's leaked out here and there, but this is confirmed down to the alamo to fight 10 to 1 odds to die to create a chain reaction to give birth to Texas. Because they were hardcore folks and they were Christians, but they basically followed a Rosicrucian founding father, basic cult deal where they, they really wanted to found the new Atlantis. They really wanted to build a new civilization based on human empowerment. And they, they, they wanted to die in sacrifice against tyranny. They don't really make people like that anymore much, do they? And they went and they basically planned it and they knew it. And then Travis told the men, you're all going to die. Step across the line and join me in history. And they stepped across just like the 300.

[Jordan]

Long pause.

[Dan]

They planned with Andrew Jackson an event similar to that. They didn't know exactly how it would go down a year before. And then they found Travis, who'd already won some battles and was a born leader, to lead it. And he wrote on that letter to my family when he left his son with the heirs family, my mom's side.

[Alex]

What?

[Dan]

And said, take care of my little boy. And then he wrote the other letter, said, I'm not giving up victory or death. And. And they hoped to get reinforcements, but they knew they weren't coming and they knew where they were going and they knew that they were coming to draw Santa Ana into the south so they could get ready in the east with the armies with Sam Houston under the direct command of President Andrew Jackson in a covert action of the United States of America to take a third of.

[Jordan]

Mexico that was a sovereign country.

[Dan]

That's how you plan things. That's how you win. That's how you kick the British Empire's butt that nobody could stop. Real planning, real sacrifice, real long term commitment. Not 10 guys in camo. And you know, three of them are.

[Jordan]

I mean, he's implying that at the end, three of them are feds. Yeah. So, Jordan, I want to ask you a couple questions. The first.

[Alex]

Oh, I can't. I don't have any questions. For what. That was clearly self explanatory. Everything about that makes perfect sense.

[Jordan]

Do you, do you know anything about Colonel Travis, Colonel William Travis?

[Alex]

I don't, but I'm, I'm of the opinion that anybody who winds up overrun by thousands of Mexican soldiers because he's bad at position probably didn't do so well.

[Jordan]

Well, it's interesting that like Alex is presenting this as like this thing that like a pincer move by Sam Houston and what have you. And no Sam Houston said, hey, blow up the Alamo and get out of San Antonio. That's what that was his order that was ignored.

[Alex]

Planned plan ignoring Andrew Jackson.

[Jordan]

Right. Hickory, Andrew, Hickory.

[Alex]

Not only that, Andrew Jackson planned to tell Houston to say that to Travis. So Travis would be like fuck you and do what he did. So covert action. Action at this point, three factions of the CIA, seven of them. Yeah. But three of the four of them didn't even know.

[Jordan]

No four were red shirted in the. In the action. So Jordan, now I think is the most appropriate time ever to talk a little bit about Colonel William Travis.

[Alex]

I've never heard that sentence before, so clearly it must be true.

[Jordan]

I'm going to give you a bit of a history lesson that researching tickled the shit out of me today. I initially thought there's no way I'm going to be able to get this episode together in time to do it. But I did and this is a fun story. So William Travis was born in 1809 in South Carolina. He was born in South Carolina.

[Alex]

We're off to a bad start.

[Jordan]

And then after the War of 1812, his parents moved to Conoco county in Alabama. Like a newly. There's a lot of, a lot of frontiersmanship.

[Alex]

Let's go somewhere worse.

[Jordan]

Right. His uncle Alexander founded a school in Sparta, Alabama which was a part of Conoco County. And so William got the chance to attend it and he was able to get an education. He'd go on to be a school teacher, teacher's assistant at a different school where he taught for less than a year because he got the hots for one of his 16 year old students.

[Alex]

Not good.

[Jordan]

And he started fucking.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So they ended up getting married.

[Alex]

This is Alabama.

[Jordan]

They ended up getting married when she was 16, likely because he got her pregnant and some, some timeframe records show that she probably gave birth before they were married.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or at very least she was pregnant before the marriage. Right. And back then that was, that was not good. That was.

[Alex]

Shotgun was not done shotgun wedding.

[Jordan]

At that point he decided I'm not going to teach anymore now. And so he and this, his wife moved and he just started. He moved to a place called Clare Bond Claire Barn, Clairborne Clay. Barn. That's a, that's A rough name. So he decided he was going to start studying law, because back then, that was really easy. True.

[Alex]

They had four.

[Jordan]

As he was studying law, he also started a newspaper called the Clai Barn Herald, which did okay for a little while, made it, made a little bit of coin. But then it started to not make as much money. And he had, like, you know, I got to support my family. I have no idea. I'm not making enough from this paper. And the stress of running the paper got so bad to him that he kept fucking up the paper. He would print advertisements upside down. He would. He would.

[Alex]

I never learned to read.

[Jordan]

You'd have ads going way past their expiration date in the paper, and it just was a complete disaster. And in an event that would go on to mirror his future. This is a sentence that I wrote that I'm thrilled with. In an event that would mirror his future at the Alamo, he would ask for help with the paper, but reinforcements were not coming.

[Alex]

Oh, get out. But he did get out.

[Jordan]

He kept trying to get financial support, and no one was helping him out. And so he was just in a terrible place. In 1829, he passed his law exam, right? So at that point, he borrows $55.37.

[Alex]

To order $10.5 million in today's money.

[Jordan]

Start a law office. He also borrows $90 to cover his expenses with the Herald. Right, Right. Unfortunately, he wasn't getting any clients for his law firm because no one needed a lawyer. It was a small fucking town. It was a small fucking area, and they already had a lawyer.

[Alex]

Where would we even go to trial? There ain't judges here.

[Jordan]

They already had a lawyer. Who is the guy who mentored him.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And so, like, we don't need another one. We already got this guy. And so he's just in a disastrous position where he has spent all this money, he's in debt, and now he can't even make money doing law because no one cares. Right? So he was getting. He's getting nothing. He's just getting deeper and deeper into debt. And so he decides to buy a couple slaves in order.

[Alex]

Boy, that just. It could solve a lot of problems back then.

[Jordan]

Apparently, he buys two slaves in order to try and help out. What irony of this is that feeding his slaves ended up pushing him deeper into debt.

[Alex]

So, I mean, silver lining. Silver lining.

[Jordan]

It's just a tragedy of, like, everybody. Everybody is in tragedy. The wife is clearly not happy. She's, you know, living with this guy, right? Whoever's buying ads in his Paper isn't happy, they're printed upside down.

[Alex]

Not good.

[Jordan]

This guy William Travis is not fucking having a great time. And of course his slaves are not having a great time.

[Alex]

The only person he jumped out on, his mentor and he tried to start a competing business and so his mentors pissed too.

[Jordan]

And now it's interesting that you bring that up because he ended up having to stop practicing law because he wasn't making any money. So you got a cease and desist. Well, by the time that he ended.

[Alex]

Up, he signed a non compete, which he realized immediately after he left was a very bad idea.

[Jordan]

By the time that he stopped practicing law, he had participated in six cases and he had made $4.

[Alex]

All right, all right.

[Jordan]

His debt at the time was $834.

[Alex]

Nice.

[Jordan]

Which is a lot back then. Yeah. So the people he owed money to sued him. And one of the people was his mentor, the lawyer that he studied under. And in court he tried to argue that his case should be dismissed because of infancy.

[Alex]

But he was a bad lawyer. He'd only ever tried four cases before. So he didn't do well.

[Jordan]

Yeah, he said that because he was so young, it should be thrown out of court.

[Alex]

That makes sense.

[Jordan]

And the court and all that's like.

[Alex]

Saying, I'm too pret.

[Jordan]

Yeah, somewhat. Everybody in attendance, everybody in the court just started laughing at him. It's recorded as a hit, like a historical humiliation in court. Just everybody like, you still owe me money, you little baby. That shit. So at that point, the court clerk issued an order for his arrest on March 31, 19, 18, 31. Right. So at this point, William hears about the Alamo, more or less, and he.

[Alex]

Starts a little plan with Andrew Jackson.

[Jordan]

Nope, nope, nope.

[Alex]

He doesn't know. I feel like we're gonna get there.

[Jordan]

He heard, he hears about Texas, which is at that point a state in the Mexican Republic. Right.

[Alex]

Let's go somewhere worse.

[Jordan]

So he heard there's a lot of land for speculation and that a lot of people out there needed lawyers. And so he's like, sure. He's like, oh, fuck. Yeah.

[Alex]

Do you speak Spanish? Fuck.

[Jordan]

And the other thing is he has an order for his arrest, so he's got to get out of Alabama.

[Alex]

Yeah, but he'll figure that one out. He's a lawyer, Right.

[Jordan]

So at this point, he leaves his wife, who is now pregnant with his second child, and runs off to Texas, fleeing arrest. This is dodging arrest.

[Alex]

The dumbest dude.

[Jordan]

Yeah, it's. It's rough.

[Alex]

This is spectacular.

[Jordan]

So he gets to Texas. And he sets up a law practice in a city called Anhuac. I'm not sure if that's the correct pronunciation or whatever, but at that point he sets up a law practice, he. He starts a militia and they start agitating against the sovereign Mexican authorities.

[Dan]

Why?

[Alex]

Why start a militia? You know what? Because I'll give it to this guy.

[Jordan]

Because they're white people around a lot of Mexicans.

[Alex]

Always shooting for the stars. Always shooting for the stars.

[Jordan]

So through his actions and through his militia behaviors, he ends up getting arrested at one point and he ends up also being conscribed as a soldier and ordered to raise a company of men to support the situation in San Antonio, which was a situation that would end up being the Alamo. Right, Right. Travis considered. This is a quote here from an article on it. Travis considered disobeying his orders, writing to Henry Smith, then the governor. Yeah, I am willing, nay, anxious to go to defense of Bexar, but sir, I'm unwilling to risk my reputation by going off into.

[Alex]

I can't, can't run this guy's reputation.

[Jordan]

I can't. I'm unwilling to risk my reputation by going off into the enemy's country with such little means, so few men, and with them so badly equipped. This is from an article in Texas Monthly. Quote. Travis had sulked in camp waiting for Smith's reply, which never came. Eventually had no choice but to trudge on to San Antonio. He had no military experience, was until recently an unsuccessful lawyer, and was now the lieutenant colonel in the Texas Cavalry. It's so fucked up.

[Alex]

This is. That is, of course Alex Jones's family knows him. That's the same. That's the same shit. That's Alex saying like, hey, I am going to be a hero.

[Jordan]

You look, you're.

[Alex]

I will go down to San Antonio.

[Jordan]

You're getting. I will be your hero. You're getting ahead of it a little bit, but listen, you're getting the point, but you're a little ahead of it.

[Alex]

Not yet.

[Jordan]

So not right now. Once we get to the end of this, the picture of proto Alex Jones will be complete. Alex Jones has very clearly based a lot of his personality on William Travis. There is no doubt about that. That makes sense from being a completely see through, bumbling, self motivated prick. Right. So at this point he is accidentally a lieutenant colonel in the Texas Cavalry. Right.

[Alex]

Who does not become one.

[Jordan]

So Travis and James Bowie are the two men who are supposed to be in charge of the companies that are at the Alamo. One in charge of sour One in charge of volunteers and the other in charge of knives. Sure, sure. Yep. But unfortunately, pretty quickly, Bowie gets sick. And for all intents and purposes, Travis, he ends up being in charge of all of the people at the Alamo. He's in charge of the entire force.

[Alex]

Hilarious.

[Jordan]

So at the end of this, Travis ends up dying in what is a hopeless war because he did only have, like, a hundred and something people there, and Santa Anna had a giant force. But just 10 days before he died, he sent out the following letter. I'm just going to read you the letter that he wrote. You're not far off. Okay. There are a number of letters that I've read of his also, that predate this letter by, like, the weeks. Couple of weeks before it all goes down.

[Alex]

Help.

[Jordan]

No. They're all just like. They're all just like, we need more people. Send more armies. And then, like, three days later, another letter like, hey, it's rude for me to ask twice. That sort of shit. They're asking for armies like Crazy Friday.

[Alex]

Is like, I'll fucking sue you guys. Yeah, I will fucking sue you. You know, I'm a lawyer. I'm gonna put out a full page ad in the. Oh, no.

[Jordan]

So by this point, it's upside down. Ten days before the end of everything, he ends up sending out this letter. And it's at this point that he probably has to realize shit is not gonna work out right. And so he writes this letter. Fellow citizens and compatriots, I am besieged by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna. I have sustained a continual bombardment and cannonade for 24 hours and have not lost a man. The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise the garrison is to be put to the sword if the fort is taken. I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, and our flag still waves proudly from the walls. I shall never retreat or surrender.

[Alex]

Bad move.

[Jordan]

Then I call on you in the name of liberty, of patriotism, and everything dear to the American character to come to our aid with all dispatch. The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily and will no doubt increase to 3 or 4,000 in 4 or 5 days if this call is neglected. I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible and die like a soldier who never forgets what is due in his own honor and that of his country. And then in all caps, victory or death. William Barrett Travis. And so this letter goes out.

[Alex]

Not want to be in his company.

[Jordan]

This letter goes out, and people get really fired up about it. And that's one of the Big reasons why people have this image of. Remember the Alamo.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Is because of the like, pretty well written letter there.

[Alex]

So this fucking idiot, this bumbling, this Mr. Magoo walking around through life, screwing up everything.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

And being a letter and becomes a legend.

[Jordan]

Well, now get this. So this is also from that Texas Monthly article about him. They. They got his diary and they were reading over it and there's one passage in it where he's setting out. This is like two years before he dies. And he's.

[Alex]

I made love to my first man today.

[Jordan]

Who. You are so close. You are shockingly close.

[Alex]

Of course.

[Jordan]

So there's a passage in his diary where he says, like, I was setting off for some city and it's the only time like, you know, I had. There's so many bogs and shit, I couldn't get through. It's the only time that I didn't follow through with my plan or whatever. It's. It's along those lines. Right. And so here's I'm going to read to you from this Texas Monthly article that should bring everything into focus. Okay? Otherwise, other than that thing, that short anecdote, the diary is simply a daily log of his law practice and personal expenses. A document by an obsessive counter. He lists his shirts and socks and he lists his sexual adventures. Someone named Susanna is recorded as his 59th conquest. He was then 24. Think about that in terms of Alex and his 150 women before he was 16 claims.

[Alex]

Are we going to believe this asshole?

[Jordan]

I don't know.

[Alex]

I don't buy it.

[Jordan]

I don't know.

[Alex]

I don't even think he had that many shirts. Let's start with that lie.

[Jordan]

So that brief, underlined passage, the one about not turning back, is the only moment of personal assessment in the entire document. There is in those words Travis's unstated reproach of himself for letting nature dominate his intentions. He was a vain, moody man, idealistic and romantic. He worked hard by day and at night he gambled or consorted with prostitutes or sat alone reading Sir Walter Scott. He was brainy and ambitious and filled with passionate energy. He spent all his short life seeking out a stage upon which to play out his self appointed destiny. The only thing he understood about himself was that he would not turn back. He wanted to be a hero and a patriot. And he became a hero and a patriot. He wrote his famous letter from the Alamo proclaiming his new role and the world listened. He had, with a few strokes of a pen, made his dreams real. He had invented himself and invented Texas as well. That's Alex Jones. That's a hundred percent Alex Jones.

[Alex]

Why is it that the dumb run everything.

[Jordan]

Isn't that amazing? Why?

[Alex]

How isn't that amazing? How does this asshole bump bumble up to legend?

[Jordan]

Well, because of that great letter.

[Alex]

He wrote a great letter and that was fucking it.

[Jordan]

The stakes. The stakes were much lower back, clearly. But then at the same time because of this weird sort of like the way we deal with military and stuff. I mean, even the eastern cultures do too like this bravery in the face of death makes a legend out of a man and that sort of thing.

[Alex]

No, I get it, I get it.

[Jordan]

But I mean this assessment rings so fucking true. The idea that all his life he was seeking out a stage on which to play out his self appointed destiny.

[Alex]

That's moody. That stupid.

[Jordan]

That's Alex Jones's entire broadcast career. It goes back to the first clip where he's like, I'm building myself up as a martyr.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

He has his self appointed destiny that he is forcing his audience to play out with him.

[Alex]

The only consolation we have from all of this is the knowledge that there's no way Alex could write a good letter.

[Jordan]

That's true.

[Alex]

That's done.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

We don't have to worry about him becoming a legend because his words will, will stay on.

[Jordan]

It would just be like if they would just be words as shapes.

[Alex]

Yeah, no, no, if. I'm sure if William Travis had a broadcast show and you just actually got to listen to the dumb shit he says, he would not have become a legend.

[Jordan]

No. He'd come in drunk.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly.

[Jordan]

Talk about banging prostitutes and stuff. I mean, it's just fascinating to me. When I. When I started to look into his history, I was like, this unlocks so much about Alex and the fact that nowhere in the historical record is there any indication that this was a year long plan of some Rosicrucian religious ceremony where they sacrificed themselves to create a new Atlantis. That stuff is all bullshit. That's all conspiracy bullshit that Alex has taken from unreputable sources and turned into part of his.

[Alex]

Yeah, where would you, where would you get that?

[Jordan]

I don't know.

[Alex]

Whose idea was that?

[Jordan]

We're actually gonna find out, I think, I think in a later clip. But yeah, let's just jump back into it because this next clip is even more fucked up. If you thought that was fucked up.

[Alex]

How could it not be?

[Jordan]

This one's real fucked up. Okay?

[Dan]

You see, this is all different religious orders, folks battling each other over what controls America. And you've got the dark side. Luciferian 1776, copycat group that ran the French Revolution. Adam Weishop trying to create a false Illuminati or the light Liberty God and overtake it. And George Washington wrote about this in at least nine different letters before he died. Probably poisoned. We know they bled him to death because he was getting ready to lead a movement in the Masonic order to kick the devil worshiping Illuminati out of it. That was trying to take it over. I mean, you want to know the big secrets, folks? This is it. And it's there in history pieces where. And given down through lore.

[Jordan]

Boom.

[Alex]

Lore.

[Jordan]

Right there. Right, right fucking there. It's given down in lore. Alex is basically believing oral tradition as literal history. Yeah. He might as well believe everything that happened in the Iliad really happened. Everything in the Odyssey really happened. I imagine anything that the Bert Solarits of the Basque country say and they tell down from history, it's. That's fucked up. Yeah. And that should give everybody some sort of understanding of what he takes as now a source.

[Alex]

If I understand him correctly, he just said that Washington, President George Washington.

[Jordan]

Poisoned.

[Alex]

Was poisoned to death, or at least.

[Jordan]

Bled to death by the dark Illuminati.

[Alex]

Luciferian Illuminati squad trying to recreate the light, the false light, in order to overtake the real light.

[Jordan]

Adam Weishop.

[Alex]

And the reason that they had to kill Washington was because Washington was leading.

[Jordan]

The good Illuminati and he was gonna expose it to get rid of the Satanists within the.

[Alex]

Within the good Illuminati.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

So we've got three factions of Illuminati is what he's describing right there.

[Jordan]

Well, there's seven.

[Alex]

No, that's CIA. It was a simpler time. They didn't even. They couldn't even count to seven back then.

[Jordan]

No, no, certainly not.

[Dan]

They could only count to 1776.

[Jordan]

So if you get down to it, when George Washington died, he was 67 years old after being a fucking soldier in the 1700s. That's an absurd age to live to. And he had to live through so much shit. There's no way his health was good. There's no way he. He had no business being alive at 67, quite frankly. So on the afternoon of December 13, 1799, after spending most of the day in the frigid December rain and snow supervising activities on his estate, he was, you know, at this point, one of the things you should know about George Washington.

[Alex]

Hey, slaves. They're gonna Love me like this, Travis. Motherfucker.

[Jordan]

So he was super. Washington was super big on punctuality and never showed up late for dinner. And because he was out in the rain and snow directing activities, he showed up for dinner and he didn't have time to change his clothes. So he sat through dinner in his wet clothes from the day. Also, his wife Martha had just gotten over a really bad cold. These are the circumstances surrounding his. On that day, he began to complain about a cough and runny nose. And by two in the morning of that. That night, he developed chest pains and shortness of breath. Yeah. So they call for James Craig, Dr. James Crake, who was his doctor of 40 years. That doesn't seem like some sort of infiltrator.

[Alex]

That's not a ringing endorsement either. Not necessarily, if you're a doctor starting in, what, 1766.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

Not a good. Not a good time to get your learning.

[Jordan]

At the same time, George Rawlins, who was the overseer of the state, the estate, came to his bedside. As morning came, Washington had a pronounced fever and his breathing had gotten really bad. So at 7:30 in the morning, George Rollins removed 12 to 14 ounces of blood at Washington's request.

[Dan]

I know.

[Alex]

Bleed him.

[Jordan]

That's what they did back then.

[Alex]

Yeah, no, no, no.

[Jordan]

And stuff.

[Alex]

Yeah, of course.

[Jordan]

So Washington requested that. And then afterwards he's like, y' all should take some more of my blood. He asked them to take more. And so throughout the morning, they ended up taking more blood from him. They tried to give him an enema.

[Alex]

The beginning of adrenochrome.

[Jordan]

They tried all sorts of things. They tried to give him sage tea laced with vinegar to gargle.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

That didn't work. They tried to put some stuff in there to make it worse because then it would be like, oh, that, that. That friction or whatever makes it. Whatever blisters we create will solve the other blisters. That sort of.

[Alex]

Because meta blisters.

[Jordan]

So throughout the day, through the bleeding, weirdly, he did end up regaining some of his strength. But as afternoon came, he knew he wasn't going to make it. And he was quoted as saying soon enough he was. He was struggling for air. And he told Dr. Craik, Doctor, I die hard, but I'm not afraid to go. I believe from my first attack that I should not survive it. My breath cannot last long. Ever the gentleman. Even in extremes, the general made a point of thanking all three doctors for their help. Washington died at 10:20pm.

[Alex]

I mean, I guess. I guess they make there's like a certain bit of sense that they made with those. Like, oh, well, shit's coming out of him, so maybe we should just try and get the shit out of him, you know, let's preempt the shit coming out.

[Jordan]

It's super fucking.

[Alex]

Let's get rid of all of his blood.

[Jordan]

Super fucked up because they ended up taking out 80 ounces of his blood. That's a lot.

[Alex]

Which is. Which is. It's. It's not too amazing to me that Washington survived as long as he did because that was really his only accomplishment. Like, he was a bad general. He wasn't good at tactics, he wasn't good at strategy. But he looked fucking amazing on a horse. And he should have died, like, 30 times, and he never did. Yeah, like, his horse got shot and it fell on him. He was like, hey, guess what? I'm fine. Like, he. He's got bullet holes in his shirt. And it was like, oh, weird. It hit off my watch. Like, he was that guy. He just would not die.

[Jordan]

People still debate what it was that killed him. I.

[Alex]

Probably the blood loss.

[Jordan]

I think it's probably more the underlying cause of, like, pneumonia or something like that. But be that as it may, I'm being told in the chat I'd forgotten about this, but apparently there's a dollop all about his death. So let's not get too much more into it other than to say he wasn't poisoned by the Illuminati.

[Alex]

He was not poisoned by the Illuminati, so.

[Jordan]

Or Alex Briggs. Alex brings up the Illuminati. He had written some letters about it, and that this is indication of that they had killed him. And so I looked into that.

[Alex]

Dearest Martha, the Illuminati a stealing my blood. Could you. Could you help me out with this?

[Jordan]

I know you just recovered from a cold, but ever so kind as to stop the Illuminati from bleeding me.

[Alex]

Hey, you had a cold. I get it. I get it. I'm getting bled by the Illuminati. Come on, give me one. Give me one. Help.

[Jordan]

So this German guy named G.W. snyder sent Washington a letter on August 22, 1798. I will read the relevant portion of this letter to you. It was sometime since that a book fell into my hands entitled Proof of a Conspiracy by John Robison, which gives a full account of the society of Freemasons that distinguishes itself by the name of Illuminati, whose plan is to overturn all government and all religion, even natural, and who endeavor to eradicate every idea of a supreme being and distinguish man from beast by his shape. Only a thought suggested itself to me that some of the lodges in the United States might have caught the infection and might cooperate with the Illuminati or the Jacobean Club in France. Fauchet is mentioned by Robison as a zealous member. And who can doubt of Gannett and Adet a day probably have not those their confidence in this confidants in this country they use the same expressions and are generally men of no religion. Upon serious reflection, I was led to think that it might be within your power to prevent the horrid plan from corrupting the brethren of the English law over which you preside.

[Alex]

And that's why he was bled to death by the Illuminati.

[Jordan]

So George Washington replied, it seems like I kind of.

[Alex]

The Illuminati he's describing, I think they're right. I think they're dead on.

[Jordan]

Well, Adam Weishlop in that whole Illuminati.

[Alex]

I'm glad they killed Washington.

[Jordan]

The Bavarian illuminati existed from 1776 to 1785.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Was disbanded. But everybody is like, oh no, they secretly weren't disbanded.

[Alex]

Boy.

[Jordan]

All this nonsense. Knights Templar and mostly all they seem to be interested in was like. Like rationality over superstition.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

But be that as it may, every other account of all this stuff is wildly ahistorical.

[Alex]

Okay, okay.

[Jordan]

But George Washington did reply to his letter on September 25, 1798. He wrote back, Dearest Martha, please, the.

[Alex]

Illuminati are stealing my blood.

[Jordan]

Please stop the Illuminati from sending me letters that take my blood magically. So he writes, I have heard much of the nefarious and dangerous plan and doctrines of the Illuminati, but never saw the book until you were pleased to send it to me. The same causes which have prevented my acknowledging the receipt of your letter have prevented my reading the book hitherto. Namely the multiplicity of matters which pressed upon me before and debilitated state in which I was left after a severe fever had been removed. So.

[Alex]

And the book was dumb.

[Jordan]

So he was also had a terrible fever a year before he died. Yeah. Which is man who knows. And which. And which allows me to add a little more now than thanks for your kind wishes and favorable sentiments. Except to correct an error you have run into of my presiding over the English lodges of this country. The fact is I preside over none, nor have I ever been in one more than once or twice within the last 30 years. I believe, notwithstanding that none of the lodges in this country are contaminated with the principles ascribed to the society of the Illuminati. With respect, I am yours. Your humble servant, George Washington.

[Alex]

So from that we can conclude George Washington ran the Illuminati.

[Jordan]

He did not.

[Alex]

He denied it. He denied it. Clearly, that means that he was running it.

[Jordan]

You're using the Alex logic and I don't appreciate it.

[Alex]

It's clearly what it means.

[Jordan]

So he wasn't killed by the Illuminati. And the letters that he wrote, he was the Illuminati. Letters that he wrote regarding the Illuminati. The what? He says there is. I. I've heard of this stuff. Which I could say, too, that's not confirmation that the Illuminati fucking exists in any meaningful way. Especially not in 1798. 1799. Right now, yes, I am in as much as these fucking dill weeds present it. Anyway, the clip isn't over. But that is important that we now have we got.

[Alex]

We got Washington on record as saying fucking fuck the Illuminati.

[Jordan]

It's more like, come on. Yeah, come on, man. Like, first of all, I'm not ahead of any lodge.

[Dan]

No.

[Jordan]

I haven't even been to any.

[Alex]

Not a Mason. Guys. Not a Mason.

[Jordan]

And look, they're not. Calm down.

[Alex]

Come on.

[Jordan]

It's more or less a letter that says, calm down.

[Alex]

How do you get the President to write you a letter saying shut up about the Illuminati.

[Jordan]

I think he was sending a lot of letters back then from one of the other letters that he wrote back to the guy. He's like, it takes up a lot of my time writing back to people.

[Alex]

That's true. They didn't have TV back then, so might as well write letters.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Through the lore of places like the Lone Star State.

[Jordan]

So again, he's just reiterating that he gets all his information from lore, not fact.

[Dan]

Now, to defend the Republic till the end, the state meant to be a redoubt in the future if the enemy was able to take over the rest of the country. These covert wars have been going on since before this country was founded.

[Alex]

When did they start?

[Dan]

And these are the type of secrets you learn if you're in the right lodge and a 33rd degree Mason.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It's not the secrets of Solomon's Temple.

[Alex]

He was dead back then.

[Jordan]

That.

[Dan]

So I'm going to get into the big news that this Bundy tragedy distracts from.

[Jordan]

Spoiler alert. It's bent.

[Alex]

Gazi Y. Yeah. Y no makes perfect sense.

[Jordan]

So. So lore Lore.

[Alex]

The podcast by what's his face.

[Jordan]

I don't know. The Lone Star state is meant to be a redoubt. Yep. In case these evil forces take over the rest of the country. Right. Which sounds to me like lore. It also sounds to me like the grandiosity of people who are nationalistic about their state, which Texas certainly is.

[Alex]

Never heard that before.

[Jordan]

No, but I mean, you get. You get similar variations of it from people in New York, too. Like they have real overblown senses of themselves just by virtue of being born in or living in New York.

[Alex]

I love his. I love his long pauses. Because, dude, clear that. He's like. He's grabbing it. Whatever.

[Jordan]

No bullshit.

[Alex]

33Rd degree base. Sure, sure. 33rd degree.

[Jordan]

I disagree with you.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I think that what happened there is that he was like, oh, ratcheting up, dramatic tension. No, no. He was like, oh, no. People are gonna think I just admitted to being a Mason. I think that's what happened.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Because he's like. That's the lore you hear when you're in the right lodges. And a 33rd degree. Whoops. I don't. I don't necessarily. I'm not here to say that Alex Jones is a fucking.

[Alex]

He's in the Illuminati.

[Jordan]

But I think that. I think that the pauses were his brain being like, I know how my audience thinks. Damn it. Damn it. This is going to be a blog post, so it's going to try and break into my house.

[Alex]

He's going to write a goddamn letter to George Washington about this.

[Jordan]

Dearest Martha, please go bleed Alex Jones. He's looking puffy today, probably just hungover. So we've now gotten through, like, serious problems with his ideas about history that he himself has ascribed to lore. Yeah. Which is a big problem.

[Alex]

He's read all their books. But you know what's more important? Lore.

[Jordan]

So at this point in the show now, Alex Jones sort of gets back into a normal show, right. He gets to talking about some headlines.

[Alex]

Until he drops that George Washington was a werewolf.

[Jordan]

He also was a werewolf. We do know that. But he gets back into a normal show with normal ish headlines. But you have to experience them a little bit differently after hearing those two clips, I believe. Listen to this and see if you get the point I'm trying to make.

[Dan]

Austrian record holding athlete lashes out at idiotic refugee policies. It's not idiotic bringing in martial law. See, people keep saying they're idiotic. No, they run things. The globalists are totally evil. You got to admit that. They're scientific, they've dominated us. They're on top of us. Not. Oh, they're crazy because it makes you feel better about it. That's the first step going then. This is crazy. Yeah, crazy like a fox. You got to get inside the enemy's mind or they're going to beat you every time. 60% of refugees heading to Europe are economic migrants. Top EU official, not Trump. Yeah, they want free goodies. And you know, women, I mean, in their country, women are just absolute property. So why not, you know. And by the way, they've got the liberal German women out giving the Arab men roses and just saying, hey, baby, I'm here. I'm sorry for our misogyny. I'm sorry for our xenophobia against your horrible stone age, you know, religion of making women wear beaky pursuits and sexually mutilating and killing a woman if a man rapes her. And you just saw, of course, the sickening anti female, anti family devil feminists love it because they hate women. They want you to abort your children. They want you without a good man. They want you to hate your sons if you do have them. They want to just. They're just eugenicists, high priestesses. So of course they go to the Islamicist, you know, caliphate slavers and just hit their knees because they love cancer, they love death, they love failure, they hate the west, they hate the New Atlantis. They want to blow it up. Absolutely overrun by demons, ladies and gentlemen.

[Jordan]

So I don't think it's. I don't think it's possible to not hear those words through new ears and.

[Alex]

Say they're coming for Texas.

[Jordan]

Well, Texas is the redoubt. But you know what he conceives of this as centuries long fights between religious factions. Yeah, this is insanity like this to the point where he misrepresents literally every piece of history that he tries to ascribe to anything. I don't know, it kind of feels.

[Alex]

Like he still thinks we're fighting in the Crusades.

[Jordan]

I think he does. Yeah, I think he does.

[Alex]

I mean, it feels like he goes back that far is like. Like the Knights Templar were actually my great, great, great, great great grandfathers. And they fuck it, fucked. Until we got Travis. Travis knew my family. I'm Confederate royalty. Oh, also I'm a Knight Templar.

[Jordan]

I did, I did find that letter he references. Like if Alex is related to the heirs is. Then that is true. But I don't know if he's related to that family at all. Through his mom's side. I have no Idea. But, like, that letter does exist where Confederate royalty, Colonel Travis does say, take care of my boa. But even in that letter, he says, I might. I might make it. You know, I could. I could make it. But, like, the. The thing is this friction that he sees and this idea that we're being overrun with these false immigrants and it's some sort of a plan to destroy the new Atlantis. That's a piece of this bigger stuff. And that bigger stuff is straight up, like, fucking lore war. It's straight up fan fiction that people have written about history to try and explain some very difficult things throughout history. It's a convenient excuse for why things have happened. Additionally, it's a convenient excuse if you're trying to scapegoat Jews repeatedly throughout history, that those sorts of things, or even take Jews out of it. Your political opponents. Right? Like, those sorts of easy scapegoat tricks are what you see historically throughout the history of the Illuminati lore. And Alex believes all of it. He. He's making it clear. He believes all of it, and he believes that this. Like, that's. That's what he thinks. Like, the Deep state stuff is. I'm. I'm so not surprised. He loves Trump. Now, like, if I'd heard that clip right. Much earlier, I think that I could have pieced a little bit together in.

[Alex]

Terms of, like, Trump, an Illuminati guy. I know he's a. I know he's an anti Semite, but I didn't know if he was an Illuminati guy.

[Jordan]

I have no idea. I think he's too savvy to say something like that in public.

[Alex]

Right, right.

[Dan]

That.

[Jordan]

That unpacking will be much worse than the shithole countries comment.

[Alex]

Yeah, yeah.

[Jordan]

But the.

[Alex]

He would pay more than $130,000 to keep that quiet.

[Jordan]

In the same way, all right. In the same way that Alex Jones sees Colonel William Travis in himself and has created his own mythology mirroring Colonel Travis's. I think he sees Trump in there, too, because the way he portrays Trump as being up against it, nothing but enemies around. He's stuck. He's. He's. He's creating the Alamo around Trump.

[Alex]

Right. But at the same time, it's just more. I mean, you could. You could say that, but I think it's probably more just a situation where it's like. Like, the more enemies Trump accrues, the more he likes Trump. Like, he just has to double down to some extent. Every enemy. Only makes him like Trump more simply because that puts him Back in the outsider position that we know he loves so much. Like if a lot of people love.

[Jordan]

Trump or the person who knows he's up against it and has no chance of coming out alive. Like he believes Colonel Travis was right and still goes and marches to his dude. When in reality, if you look at the history, Colonel Travis was like, I don't want to do this.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

And I guess he's.

[Alex]

So that is a lot like Trump then.

[Jordan]

Yeah, I guess so.

[Alex]

But Trump just kept bumbling upwards until he got to be president.

[Jordan]

And you look at the history of the debts that Colonel Travis has.

[Alex]

Exactly.

[Jordan]

Even more closely than that.

[Alex]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Jordan]

So anyway, at this point, Alex goes through some headlines and has a shit prediction that we can look at scoffingly.

[Alex]

Although we know that Trump wouldn't write a letter saying, take care of my boy. He would write a letter saying like, wait, I have kids.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly. Hold on.

[Dan]

Hillary Clinton drops below 50% nationally. Now Obama is having Bernie Sanders to the White House signaling that they may just not use Biden. They may use Sanders. They may be offering him a VP slot with Biden. Sure, wait for it. Wait for it. That's in the cards. Or Elizabeth Warren and Biden Joe Biden. Huntinista complains to Twitter that co founder that Hillary mocking hashtag is pure misogyny. She criticizing the Lord and Savior is.

[Jordan]

Hating women just like it was Peter Dow. I don't really care.

[Dan]

No criticizing Obama, criticizing blacks. We'll have to sit here and explain to women if she gets elected. We're not against you. We're not against you. We're not against you. The CIA ran Hillary and this magazine. We just, we just want to stop her. She's a tyrant. Shut up. The women are winning. You'll never stop us. It's like Charlton Heston at the end of Omega Man. I have the cure. I want to free you.

[Jordan]

Shut up.

[Dan]

They throw a spear into him. Shut up. We want to be like this. There's chemicals in the water. We want them.

[Alex]

You don't get the metaphor of the Omega Man.

[Jordan]

No. And at that point, after he does that impression, long ass pause, real long pause.

[Alex]

Does not understand. I'm more frustrated about the Omega man than I am about anything else that we've said so far tonight.

[Jordan]

Well, I mean, if you look at what he's saying in the metaphor that he's making, he's like, I mean, first of all, it's he only, only way he understands world is through movies. So there's that. But then even beyond that what he's saying is really, really insulting to women. Like, oh yeah, like just the. Take away the fucking idea of any hashtag anyone's complaints about it.

[Alex]

It.

[Jordan]

But just the idea that they're like women are so stupid, they just love her because she's a woman and scream at me because I have the answer.

[Alex]

Women are always going to win.

[Jordan]

In his, in his Omega man metaphor, the I have the answer is women shut up.

[Alex]

Right?

[Jordan]

And they won't listen. They won't listen. I have the answer and it's stay in your place.

[Alex]

But that's the problem that I have with his analysis of the Omega man is that the point of the Omega man was. Was he's the monster, right? Not the zombies. It's him. He's the murderer, he's the killer of these people.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Alex]

So in that sense, I guess Alex does have the metaphor right.

[Jordan]

Just in the wrong way as it has it happen.

[Alex]

Alex is the murderer.

[Jordan]

So weirdly, every now and again he is. Right?

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Unintentionally, yeah. Maybe that's a good example of that.

[Alex]

I have the answer because I'm the monster. Oh, I. Somebody should have explained that movie to me.

[Jordan]

Should I need to stop drinking nyquil before the movies.

[Alex]

I only like the Vincent Price version.

[Jordan]

I like the Will Smith version. So in this next clip, Rambo, Joe Biggs Pizzagate. Joe Biggs pre pizza gate comes in. Biggs comes into studio because they need to talk about the Bundy situation. And Biggs had been at the compound. He had been.

[Alex]

Really?

[Jordan]

Yeah, he made a trip to the wildlife preserve.

[Alex]

Of course he did. And why am I surprised at that?

[Jordan]

And as I understand, to Bunkerville, to the original compound. And so Joe Biggs and Alex have very interesting conversation.

[Alex]

Did you know they're serving pizza at that fucking bird reserve? I swear to God, we got to investigate this shit. So he's really only had one story. Everywhere he goes, it's pizza.

[Jordan]

You got to look at the menus.

[Alex]

Gotta look at the pizza, the menus.

[Jordan]

At that wildlife preserve.

[Alex]

I just like getting paid to eat pizza.

[Jordan]

Everyone's got to look into it for themselves. So in this clip, Alex Jones says something preposterous about the Bundys.

[Joe Biggs]

So right off the bat you could kind of tell that they were ready to demonize us, use us as maybe to set an example for what the government wanted to do to people like this, to so called right wingers who are going to go up and make a stand against the government. Because they did get beat back in Nevada when that Happened with the standoff on the Bundy ranch.

[Dan]

And we can roll some of that B roll in the background. It's historic. Feds surrender. Arm fed surrender to citizens. They were threatening to shoot David Knight at the front of it with the camera. And then they were in the wrong. That would have been Lexington or Concord shot heard around the world. If they would have mowed down people with their guns not up, but guns down on horseback with American flags, that would have kicked off a revolution and we might win that one. But if we. But if a revolution kicks off in the wrong way and we shoot first, that gives the enemy home field advantage and the toy costs to be receiving the kickoff. Go ahead.

[Jordan]

So they could have willing to die for the revolution. That's David Knight. Exactly on the scene.

[Alex]

That's what he was. Yeah. They pointed a gun at David Knight. If they had killed David Knight, my man, the whole world would have gone up in flames, my man.

[Jordan]

They could have won that revolution.

[Alex]

Well, yeah, but we all knew that if they kill David Knight, the hicks win the revolution. Everybody knows this.

[Jordan]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Alex]

This is just chess over monopoly over. Over risk.

[Jordan]

Yeah, exactly.

[Alex]

Makes perfect sense.

[Jordan]

So now here is where we get into what I would describe as.

[Dan]

I don't.

[Jordan]

We're recording this on Martin Luther King Day. So this clip makes me uncomfortable. Great. But.

[Alex]

That'S why I'm so big. That's why I'm so glad we didn't do today's episode. I don't know if I can handle hearing more white people compare white people to Martin Luther King Jr. And that. Well, I think. I think I'm out. I think I'm out on that.

[Jordan]

I agree, I agree.

[Alex]

But I will say that Iman Bundy was the Martin Luther King Jr. Of.

[Jordan]

The Mormons in this next clip. Don't bring up Martin Luther King. But this is so dog whistle racist. It makes me. It hurts my ears.

[Joe Biggs]

Let's say, like I said, I've been a big supporter. I even spoke to Ammon Mundy's mother before and things like that and had conversations with them. I do believe that they have pure intentions. That deep down inside they don't really have any ill intention whatsoever that what they were doing, they were truly trying to make another stain. And I just, like I said, I thought this was just not at the right place, you know. But then you have that left again coming out, which I don't get saying white terror. You know, you have all these people on Twitter coming out last night saying, oh, great, you know, these terrorists, these White terrorists are arrested. Call them terrorists. That's what they should be. Well, sorry. You know, and they're all the Black Lives Matters people.

[Dan]

Well, I mean, they want a race war and they paint everything as racial. And they also sit there and want a police state in America, even though they claim they're criticizing it. They're just disconnected, dumb, stupid people.

[Joe Biggs]

I mean, really, at the end of the day, what happened? Martha and Tom didn't get to go into the wildlife refuge and work a few days a week. I mean, there's probably hardly anybody out there really manning that place. It's in the middle of nowhere. Meanwhile, they quote, unquote, break into this federal facility. And what do I see them doing when I'm down there? Sweeping. Cleaning off the sidewalk, taking care of the property, the land, making sure it's fine. I didn't see anyone in Black Lives Matter in Ferguson break into a store and start doing shopkeep work and rearranging stuff. No, they were taking stuff and running out and throwing Molotov cocktails.

[Jordan]

So that is awful. That is awful for a number of reasons.

[Alex]

First of all, so if I understand correctly, his reasoning, if I steal your tv, but when you see me with it, I'm dusting it off.

[Jordan]

Well, not a thief. No, not at all.

[Alex]

I'm taking care of it.

[Jordan]

No. Or if I.

[Alex]

Frankly, it's more mine now than it is yours.

[Jordan]

If I have a bunch of guns and I occupy your home and I dust off your tv.

[Alex]

He's cleaning. I'm cleaning it up. I put salt on your sidewalk. It's snowy out there. Guys, look, I know I own your house now, but you're not going to slip and fall.

[Jordan]

There's an amazing irony to Alex Jones being like, they want a race war. They want to make everything racial. And then Joe Bishop, pigs, 20 seconds later being like, I didn't see Ferguson. All these white people, they cleaned up.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Now, the reality of that is quite different. I'm going to read here from an article in the Huffington Post.

[Alex]

Fucking pooped everywhere.

[Jordan]

No, they were disgusting. They dug trenches full of poop. Yeah. The Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, quote, unquote, occupation ended more than a month ago. But yet damage caused by the armed militants who gathered to protest the federal government's management of police public lands remains. The total cost of the occupation stands at about $6 million to the federal government, in addition to $3 million already pitched in by the state of Oregon. Of that Jason Holm.

[Alex]

Tom and Martha have a lot of back pay coming.

[Jordan]

Yeah, Jason Holm, assistant regional director of USFWS, says $1.7 million has been flagged just for repairs and cleaning of the reserve itself. Home warned the nearly $2 million cleanup cost is a moving figure subject to change as the agency conducts a thorough inventory of what was broken and what's missing. So here's where it gets here. Here's where it gets really important. So they made those buckets of poop and what have you, right? And that's one thing. A report released in February by the FBI said, quote, significant amounts of human feces were found on site after the occupiers surrendered next to a sensitive cultural site containing artifacts sacred to the Burns Poison Tribe.

[Dan]

Great.

[Jordan]

So that.

[Alex]

Boy. Boy, howdy, boy, howdy. Is that a big, giant fucking metaphor right there? If I saw that in a movie, I would be like, guys, bit on the nose, yeah.

[Jordan]

Holmes said the wildlife refuge will recover eventually, but there's concern that the militia members may have harmed Native American artifacts or destroyed other records which are irreplaceable. Nature is durable. It'll be just fine. Holmes said buildings and property are fixable or replaceable. They'll be fine. The relationships with the community will strengthen as a result of this. However, damages to tribal artifacts would be heinous and loss or missing, lost or missing biological data could be impossible to replicate. Our refuge employees are thrilled to be back doing the job. Blah, blah, blah, where we're thrilled and blah, blah, blah. 26 people were charged with federal conspiracy.

[Alex]

Now is a great time to remind everybody that they just got off scot free.

[Jordan]

They did. I mean, they did cause a lot of damage to sacred sites that they.

[Alex]

Will not have to pay for or do any criminal time for. No jail time for them.

[Jordan]

Nope. And so to drive home the point that Alex Jones excuses all white behavior, here is a clip of him saying that pretty much all white terrorism is just the feds.

[Alex]

Fair enough.

[Dan]

There would be more feds at the meeting than there would be patriots. And the feds would have to have secret hand signs so they wouldn't set each other up.

[Alex]

Of course.

[Dan]

I mean, it's that bad, folks, I've had them, no exaggeration, probably 30 plus times come up to me at a book signing, a video signing, an event, and go, listen, I got C4 in my truck out there right now. Let's go blow up the police station. And I go, get the camera on, get the camera on. This person's a cop. And they run out. And so they got a cop car, you know, unmarked fed, and they'll go, I'll get you later, Jones.

[Jordan]

I don't know about that.

[Alex]

If. If true, we gotta hire some better cops. That is a bad idea.

[Jordan]

For real.

[Alex]

As far as a honey pot goes, not a good one.

[Jordan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Alex]

Hey, Alex, let's go blow up a police station. Oh, you caught me.

[Jordan]

If you're living the kind of life where 30 times in your 20 year career someone has come up to you, real or not, and suggested you blow up a police station.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

You're not doing a good job, you're in a bad line of work, you're attracting the wrong crowd.

[Alex]

You need a doctor.

[Jordan]

And now I'm.

[Alex]

Those people aren't real.

[Jordan]

And now I'm.

[Alex]

You just want to blow up a police.

[Jordan]

I'm deeply concerned now that any fan who runs into us on the streets, now that will be be their code for I listen to the show. Let's go blow police. I really hope that that.

[Alex]

Guys, guys, put your phones in your freezer. It's time to go blow up a police.

[Jordan]

That's a cop.

[Alex]

Oh no. Get the camera on him.

[Jordan]

If you're a cop or you're just playing a prank, I think you would probably run away. If Alex Jones is like, get the camera on him. He's a cop. I think. I think that doesn't prove they're cops. I also don't think it happened 30 times. But be that as it may, fed.

[Alex]

Heads all of them.

[Jordan]

At this point in the episode, Alex brings on his big CIA whistleblower, Tosh Plumlee.

[Alex]

Tosh Plumlee.0. Right?

[Jordan]

Yep. And I don't. I don't care. I don't really care. But at a certain point.

[Alex]

Which faction does Tosh belong to?

[Jordan]

The eighth faction.

[Alex]

The eighth faction.

[Jordan]

I wasn't supposed to talk about secret eighth fashion.

[Alex]

Damn it, Dan.

[Jordan]

All they do is.

[Alex]

You only learn about that if you're a 3rd, 33rd level Mason.

[Jordan]

All they do is blow up police stations with the help of minor radio personalities. So in his interview though, there's one thing I wanted to play for you because I think it's really interesting. I think it's very, very interesting. And if you listen to this closely, I think that it's Tosh Plumlee pointing a finger at Alex. I don't know if that's the case.

[Alex]

As if it's Alex fault for these kinds of assholes doing this kind of shit.

[Jordan]

No, I think he's subtly trying to be like, give a hint to the audience or something like this. I would say that. I don't think I've heard Tosh Plumlee on the show in a long time and there may be like, there might be a thing where he's like, I don't want to come on your show anymore.

[Alex]

I don't know.

[Jordan]

I'm not entirely sure. I don't. I don't have the statistics to back that up. He might have been on two weeks ago and I just missed it. Sure, something like that. But there are things that he's saying in this clip. Clip that are absolutely like. I'm kind of talking about Alex. Yeah, I think you'll pick up on it pretty quick.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Dan]

Wow, you're so incredible. Tell them about illusionary warfare training.

[Tosh Plumlee]

Well, that's what it is. It's. It's a modified technique that's been used since the 1950s is infiltrate in. If you can control the communications, you've won the war or you've won the situation.

[Dan]

That's right. Usually the communications person that question, quote, handles all communications for the group is who you look for.

[Tosh Plumlee]

We've had Malkin Bird. That's an whole CIA project. Now let me qualify something here on CIA. There are people that is infiltrated within the CIA that are CIA. That's the c. Some of the CIA do not even know it.

[Alex]

The ninth faction we have.

[Tosh Plumlee]

And I'm not talking about rogue other shadow CIA. I'm talking about a shadow warriors. You know, not from the standpoint of shadow warriors on organizations and things like that. I'm talking about there is a shadow government out there that is working these programs. The program is designed to desensitize us to where we expect exactly what the hell we're getting.

[Dan]

Let's be clear. The big foundations, the big leftist foundations run, but have the national security clearances, the clandestine dirty programs against the patriots. And so a lot of times the local police, the FBI, even the CIA don't know. It's the foundations that are even above the agencies with their action program here in the United States.

[Tosh Plumlee]

All right, let me put it this way too. You hit it right on the head, Alex.

[Alex]

Okay, sure.

[Tosh Plumlee]

Also, there's gatekeepers assigned into these organizations, our agencies that prevent good, honest people that work for those agencies from doing their job.

[Jordan]

So three things that were said within that clip are giant criticisms that are levied in the anti Alex Jones online community. Okay, the first is that idea of communications. People are probably the most suspicious.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Alex Jones is the biggest mouthpiece of the Patriot community.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

He is the communications aspect of that entire operation. And Alex seems to not understand what his own Words implicate him in being like, you know.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

You find the person who's in charge of communications. That's your guy. He's pointing the finger at himself.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So the second thing is the idea that Alex Jones desensitizes people to the situations that people, the powers that be, want them to be desensitized to.

[Alex]

Right. So they accept their circumstances.

[Jordan]

So you have this idea of this overpowerful elite, these globalist who have their fingers in every pie. They, they control all seven factions of the CIA.

[Alex]

But not the secret eighth faction.

[Jordan]

No, that's true. Which Tosh Plumlee Point zero is a part of. So that idea, desensitizing you to this worldwide conspiracy that exists through ironclad pedophile blackmail that want to kill your children and drink their blood and all this stuff and all they're going to do is keep trying to fuck with you through like making you depressed through the water, the chemicals in the water. The media is going to lie to you all the time. There's going to be fake terrorists that are going to run you over with a car. You're not safe in public. This idea is.

[Alex]

And you can't fight it back against them. Except by giving me money and yelling.

[Jordan]

At Muslims on the streets if you see them. Because that's good fun. But like the idea that his role in the whole game plan is desensitizing people to be able to think I can't fight back. When the way to fight back is through direct action, through protest, the writing letters to your congress, people voting, all those sorts of things. Like those are legitimate things you can do, you can push for reform. Those things you're not like, we are not past that point. Alex Jones's role, according to a lot of his critics online, is that he is there to train you to think. You don't have anything you can do.

[Alex]

He's in the shadowy 9th faction.

[Jordan]

It's a trained hopelessness that Alex Jones instills in his audience. Again, like you said, even as I was talking, the only thing you can do is give him money and support him. The third thing in that one and a half minute clip of Tosh Plumlee's that is also one of the big fingers that gets pointed at Alex Jones is that he is a gatekeeper and that he is in place. So there is a flow of information the correct way. I don't necessarily believe this because that implies that the globalists are real.

[Alex]

Right, right.

[Jordan]

And that. But that criticism that comes to him from these Internet commenters is that the Globalists are real and Alex is a limited hangout. He's controlled opposition where he feeds you a little bit of truth and a lot of lies.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

In order to make sure that you stay suckling off his teat as opposed to the real truth tellers in the world.

[Alex]

He won't even come out and say that the Jews are at fault for all of our problems.

[Jordan]

He kind of does.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Well, but, but so, but he won't.

[Alex]

Come out out and say it.

[Jordan]

I'm not saying necessarily that Tosh Plumlee is wagging his dick at Alex, but there is, it's. It, I would say, strikes me as amazing that there's three of the biggest criticisms of Alex within one minute and a half of them talk.

[Alex]

Yeah, but that gets back to our. I know you are, but what am I like? If you want, they're not doing. What they're doing is just accusing the opposition of what it is, whatever it is they think they're doing. Like they're, they're silly.

[Jordan]

It feels silly. No, it's a little different. It's a little different than the general.

[Alex]

Coming from Tosh Plum Lee.

[Jordan]

No, no. Well, yeah, yeah, it is. It is a little bit different. And I give, I give it, I give it a little bit more of a pause to be like, why is he saying those things with Alex? It's just, of course, the I'm rubber your glue. Yeah. But him coming, Tosh coming in and saying stuff like that just makes me think like there's probably an intention behind it and it's not just deflect because he doesn't have to do that.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

He has no skin in the game necessarily.

[Alex]

No, which is why he can just say, you hit the nail right on the head, Alex, and then take something completely different.

[Jordan]

Well, that's what all his guests say.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

So anyway, here's a little bit of a commercial that I really enjoyed that Alex does for his product DNA Force. Great. No, no ad pivot to speak of on this, but man, this is just going straight into. This is a great commercial.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Dan]

Just the BioPQ is 12 to $14,000 a kilo from the Japanese who make it right here in America. It's in, in Japan, they've been obsessed with it for 20 years. And of course, they're the longest lived people there are for a lot of other reasons. The point is, DNA Force is hardcore. Just the BioPQQ has the equivalent vitamin C delivery in the body. It's different, but it's basically the same. Read the science of 300 pounds of blueberries. You can't take, you know, 20 said not get diarrhea. You can't really overdose on it, but it can make you sick. BioPQ1 pill, 300 pounds of blueberries. I mean, it's just, it's. I don't get that. And this is what the elite take. But you, I mean, about five years ago, my dad was going to medical doctors. He was going to people. He'd done some stuff at the Pentagon trying to get. Get things fast track nutraceutical separately from working with Enow. And he said, this is what you need to do. Because he goes, they're going to try to ban this here in the US or make a prescription. He goes, this is 300 to $600 for something. So we made our own formula. And believe me, it's got the industry actually upset because 300 bucks for something like this and ours is better. So.

[Jordan]

Infowarslife.com I found a comparable product for $50. But be that as it may, the you know what?

[Alex]

Now I just, I just saw the best infomercial ever. Like, if we're talking as seen on TV products, this is the perfect time to be like, have you ever been eating 300 pounds of blueberries? And you're like, who has the time? My mouth is blue and they just.

[Jordan]

Show like a B roll from.

[Alex]

From Wonka or just some woman holding 300 pounds of blueberries going, slipping and falling.

[Jordan]

How many times have you been in this?

[Alex]

How many times have you held 300 pounds of blueberries?

[Jordan]

Right. Oh, yeah.

[Alex]

I can't even afford it.

[Jordan]

It's insane. One of the things I was looking into this. I don't care about the blueberry situation, but I find myself saying that all the time.

[Alex]

Do you mean the band the blueberry situation?

[Jordan]

No, but also, rest in peace cranberries.

[Alex]

Yeah. Yes, true.

[Jordan]

But be that as it may, the difference between Alex's products and other products. Products is in the blueberry tonnage. No, the nutrition information. What you find is that Alex Jones always has on the back of the bottle proprietary blend. And then whatever amount and it says the things that are in it, but it doesn't say how much of anything.

[Alex]

Is because it's a proprietary blend.

[Jordan]

It's all blended together.

[Alex]

Gotcha. He just lists the ingredients. He doesn't give you an actual idea.

[Jordan]

Of percentage of how much is it.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And so whenever, you know, you find a comparable product on like some other. That other another company puts out and they'll give you specifics. Yeah, they'll give you all the actual amount, how much biop QQQ is in it because he's saying it costs $14,000 a kilo or whatever. And that could be enough to go six years.

[Alex]

Take a look at this or something like that. Hold on one second. There is 25% of your daily allotted vitamin C in this, right? How many pounds of blueberries is that?

[Jordan]

He's pretending somehow.

[Alex]

It's, he says, is that 10 pounds of blueberries?

[Jordan]

It's absorbed the same, but different.

[Alex]

Different. I don't know what that is.

[Jordan]

It's nothing. So in this next clip, Alex Jones has another weirdo guest. A guy by the name of Joel Skousen who's blueberries. He's a mess. Hate this guy.

[Alex]

I can't get off this blueberry thing. I want to measure everything in pounds of blueberries now. And I want to know how much in a bowl of cereal, how many pounds of blueberries are there?

[Jordan]

I mean, it depends how many. I mean, is it honey bunches of oats with blueberries?

[Alex]

No, I was gonna go with blueberries.

[Jordan]

There's zero.

[Alex]

There's zero blueberries.

[Jordan]

However, in BioPQQ, a lot of blueberries.

[Joe Biggs]

So.

[Jordan]

Joe Skousen comes on and he. I hate him. I don't want to talk about his history or anything like that because I going to take him down, I'm going to take him down a little bit later in a much more thorough way. But in this clip, he basically just rewrites what happened with the shooting of Lavoy Finicum and gives him a real generous take. I wonder why.

[Joel Skousen]

Finicum, who's a very mild mannered, grandfatherly type, well spoken Mormon.

[Jordan]

He's a good, so already well spoken, grandfatherly type Mormon, good man, white, good religious man.

[Joel Skousen]

It's a shame that he's the one that got shot. I mean this guy was taking the higher ground.

[Alex]

He, he was not.

[Joel Skousen]

You know, there's conflicting reports about what happened when he got out of the car, but clearly his hands were in the air. And it's true that he may have been fed up. You know, one of the witnesses in talking to Bundy's bodyguard said that he rushed the officers. But I don't think that's really what happened. What I think was, was in his anger saying, look, if you're going to kill me, then go ahead and shoot. He was, you know, walking forward to them basically bearing his chest to them with his hands with a gun. There's no justification for the police, the FBI or whoever it was he Had a guy shoot him in the head when his hands are in the air. I don't care if you're walking towards him or.

[Dan]

Absolutely. So.

[Jordan]

So beyond that, let's, let's pretend he wasn't.

[Alex]

Okay, okay.

[Jordan]

Let's pretend he wasn't armed.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

Which is not true now.

[Alex]

But now admittedly Bundy's bodyguards did say he was angry and he rushed the cops, but with no information at all. I don't think that's what happened.

[Jordan]

Let's pretend that he wasn't armed and Joel Skousen situation is. Right.

[Alex]

Okay.

[Jordan]

Now let's imagine a situation where he's.

[Alex]

Not white and now we don't. We already know.

[Jordan]

No, no, no, no, no. But let's imagine the situation where just by Joel Skousen's words that he, he was fed up and he said, shoot me. And he was walking towards the police baring his chest and they told him to stop walking and he kept walking towards him. Them. There's no way Alex Jones would ever give any kind of a pass.

[Alex]

No.

[Jordan]

Of course. For this sort of thing.

[Alex]

No, no.

[Jordan]

And the idea that Joel Skousen is just like what I think happened.

[Alex]

Yeah, I know, that was bananas.

[Jordan]

That's terrible analysis.

[Alex]

Yeah. I don't think that's what happened. No, no, that's, that's.

[Jordan]

You don't get to do that.

[Alex]

No, no. The guys who were on his side who were there reported what happened. I don't think they know what they're talking about.

[Jordan]

No, I think he was cool.

[Alex]

I don't think so.

[Jordan]

I think he was a cool guy.

[Alex]

Nah, I don't think, I don't think. I think they know what they're talking about.

[Jordan]

He's a cool guy. Yeah, he is.

[Alex]

He had his hands up. Now, admittedly one was in his pocket reaching for a pistol. That's true.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Alex]

But I think if you're a grandfatherly type, well spoken guy who wouldn't pull a pistol on the cops. Right. Like what? Who amongst us grandfatherly white people wouldn't just pull a pistol?

[Jordan]

I know my grandfather was the kind of guy who was take government money to not grow things on land.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And then get $100,000 a year from a charity to have a bunch of foster kids.

[Dan]

Right.

[Jordan]

When I have 15 of my own children.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

Crazy. Anyway, we have one more clip, Jordan. And this is where Alex Jones goes through. I wanted to leave this episode because it's been a little bit heavy on me, poking massive holes in his historical beliefs.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

And I wanted to leave with With a good example of how he covers news. I know we hear little clips from time to time of him.

[Alex]

Like I'm sorry you said news. What you should have said was lore of the day.

[Jordan]

Headlines is the lore of the day.

[Alex]

Lord du jour.

[Jordan]

And this is him riffing, riffing through the headlines.

[Dan]

Enjoy US destabilize Europe.

[Jordan]

Austrian I just want to be clear. Also keep in mind this is the exact same headlines that he did. He didn't get into the actual stories of earlier. Right. He just, he's on repeats.

[Dan]

Record holding. Athlete lashes out. Absolutely. That's the plan. 60% of refugees heading to Europe are economic migrants. EU official feminized males will allow Muslims to conquer Europe.

[Alex]

Sounds right.

[Jordan]

Again, this is, it's the strategy of repetition with no analysis.

[Alex]

Right.

[Jordan]

No discussion of whether or not these things I'm saying are true or what the context of these things are. Are just repetition. So you believe it. It's beat into your head, right? Be afraid.

[Alex]

Putting estrogen in the water attracts bears and bees.

[Jordan]

I hate bees.

[Dan]

Absolutely.

[Jordan]

They love it.

[Dan]

They love to get beat up while their girlfriend gets drug off and gang raped and then hood put on her head and the police just hail it. They just, oh they love it. It's a symbol of conquering Europe by the state that hates its slaves, hates its minions. It just wants to slap them around because there's nothing they won't put up with with nothing they don't love. No amount of humiliation they don't want. Top Bilderberg global super elite must stop Donald Trump Infowars.com Very important article. Hillary Clinton drops below 50% nationally even in stage polls Clintonista complains to Twitter that co founder that Hillary mocking hashtag is pure misogyny. Once banning Hillary to be done all the same stories some trendy actress wants to tell the media, media what they can write about Hillary. I mean these people are just, just, just flaming out of control.

[Jordan]

People on the left don't like Lena Dunham either. No, bad example.

[Alex]

Open my eagle. Put it back. I looked up what Lena Dunham said and I shouldn't have.

[Dan]

Yeah, ugly dumb tyrants. But doesn't matter. We fall and worship them and do whatever they say. Rolling over on our backs like a puppy just in total fear because we love it. We love it. Just Land of the cowards, home of the slaves, land of the idiots. Just groveling, loving. Every minute of it just goes on and on and on and on and on and on and on. Really. There's a certain percentage that's like that A big percentage though, really, really hates the government. CBS News poll. Great government is just hated more than organized crime because it is organized crime at the top. Nice main governor, Nice page. Bring back the guillotine for drug traffickers. Oh, like the CIA and all big banks publicly run it all. I just love these. These anti drug people fake. Almost everybody knows who brings the drugs in. They want to keep it illegal to keep the prices up.

[Jordan]

He delivered that line right there. As if it's an old time catchphrase. Keep it illegal so you keep the prices. Almost as if it's a call and response. Right. Like on his farewell tour. Or you be the audience. They. They keep it illegal.

[Alex]

Keep the prices up.

[Jordan]

Thank you. It's been great.

[Alex]

All right.

[Jordan]

Wonderful.

[Dan]

Give me a break. City demands firearms applicants write essays playing the need for a gun. And they of course refuse most of them.

[Jordan]

But where's the evidence of that?

[Alex]

Alex Hamburger Essays are not people who buy guns is strong point.

[Jordan]

And also where is the. When you get statistics on rejections of these essays, essays that I'm sure are just part of. I don't know, just as like a formality. Just write something.

[Alex]

If you write a. An essay that would score you 300 on the written sat, we'll give you a gun.

[Jordan]

If you can avoid saying I want to don't kill somebody, then you get a gun.

[Dan]

But nobody wants your guns, folks. Monsanto sues the block listing of herbicide ingredient as a carcinogen.

[Jordan]

Well, it's because studies came out that showed that glyphosate is not a carcinogen. Or at very least it's in the lowest category possible in terms of potential carcinogens.

[Alex]

Yeah. I don't want to defend Monsanto though. They can all burn in hell.

[Jordan]

No, totally. But this is a misrepresentation of facts and Alex can't handle it.

[Dan]

On and on and on.

[Jordan]

At this point, he has run out of stories.

[Alex]

Yes. All the papers gone.

[Dan]

I'm gonna end the baton to Jakari and Leanne now. But before I do that, I wanted to just remind everybody one more time today that we're running the biggest special ever.

[Alex]

That one is lame.

[Dan]

Saw that coming force.

[Alex]

Yeah, of course it was Saw that one coming.

[Jordan]

But it's still too easy. It still happened.

[Alex]

Do you know who is trying to keep us from getting good ad pivots?

[Jordan]

Big blueberry.

[Alex]

No. Rosicution Cults.

[Jordan]

Dude. That's another thing that I was thinking about. Like I know a little bit about the Rosicrucians and one of the things Like, I think that. I think that in terms of when we talk about Alex Jones's Christianity or the lack thereof.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Or weird version there of. I think that I have been too focused on straight up Gnosticism. I think that some of those ideas about living on through your children might come from Rosicrucian beliefs because they're big into reincarnation and perfection of the soul through repetition and stuff like that. So I think. I think that that might be. Alex might subscribe not only to dumb lore, right. About history, he might also have, like, Rosicrucian Christian beliefs, dumb religion as well.

[Joe Biggs]

I don't.

[Jordan]

I don't actually think the Rosicrucians are all that dumb. They're pretty interesting, quite frankly. But Alex is dumb.

[Alex]

Those two are not mutually exclusive.

[Jordan]

Alex is dumb, so it becomes dumb through him.

[Alex]

True.

[Jordan]

He is a vessel wherein the interesting becomes stupid. That's the best sentence I've ever read.

[Alex]

I know, you. You just nailed it.

[Jordan]

So, yeah, that's the show.

[Alex]

That's the show.

[Jordan]

That's his. January. What is that? January 27, 2016. Yep. Beautiful. So also, just to give you a little bit of context, this is after he has decided to join Team Trump. This is after our investigation. So, of course, rest in peace. Lavoie Finicum is sad that anybody had to die, but at the same time, fuck them. I feel bad for the 15 kids.

[Alex]

No, wasn't it Amon Bundy who had the. Or Cliven Bundy who had the 15 kids? It was the.

[Jordan]

It was that guy who had 15.

[Alex]

He had 15 kids. And he was the one who adopted all of those kids so he could siphon money from the government, according to.

[Jordan]

The site I saw earlier today. Yes. That is absolutely.

[Alex]

What a welfare queen.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Oh, I forgot to play the. The out of context drop.

[Alex]

Oh.

[Jordan]

Which is just as fun afterwards as it would have been beforehand. And here you go.

[Dan]

Yeah, folks, I'm psychic. I mean, it's a fact. Okay? I mean, I don't control it. Nobody can. But I mean, I knew something. I could just feel it. I said, something bad's about to happen. You notice it did.

[Jordan]

Okay.

[Alex]

I thought he was just gonna be. I thought he was being sarcastic of like, yeah, guys, sure, I'm psychic. And instead he turns into the. No, of course I'm psychic.

[Jordan]

I can't control.

[Alex]

Control it, though.

[Jordan]

Yep, absolutely. What a dumb, dumb.

[Alex]

Amazing.

[Jordan]

Anyway, guys, if you'd like more of the show, you can check us out@knowledge fight.com. also, if you want too much of.

[Alex]

The show with an amazing opener. Nate Burrows. Who?

[Jordan]

One of the best.

[Alex]

You know what, if you don't like our show, come for the first 10 minutes. Yeah, pretty good.

[Jordan]

Come enjoy some Nate Barrels.

[Alex]

It'd be interesting to see people listening to this podcast and being like, you know what? I don't like their show, but Nate Burroughs is great.

[Jordan]

Let's be polite and sit through. Yeah, that will be Saturday.

[Alex]

Saturday, Saturday, Saturday, January 20th at 10:30pm.

[Jordan]

At the Playground Theater. Please come if you can.

[Alex]

Www.theplaygroundtheater.com.

[Jordan]

Absolutely./Knowledge-Fight. Yeah, we'll put up a link. Also, we're on Twitter. Knowledge underscore fight.

[Alex]

That's true.

[Jordan]

On Facebook.

[Alex]

You can look us up on the itunes.

[Jordan]

We live there.

[Alex]

Absolutely.

[Jordan]

Beyond that, I don't know.

[Alex]

You know what? I think I have the perfect. I have the perfect one.

[Jordan]

I think we should call Matt Drufki so he can give one.

[Alex]

Oh, that would be nice.

[Jordan]

Because Garbage Dick, I believe not. Garbage Dick, that's our friend. Trash Dick.

[Dan]

Trash Dick.

[Jordan]

Joe Walsh.

[Alex]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Names are way too close. Trash Dick Joe Walsh.

[Alex]

Everybody remember Garbage Dick. Great guy. Trash Dick, the fucking worst. So then I think in honor of.

[Jordan]

Druffke, I'd like to.

[Alex]

Absolutely.

[Jordan]

But you, you're entitled. Yours as well.

[Alex]

No. Who cares?

[Jordan]

Come on.

[Alex]

It's just gonna be one of the Bundys. Who.

[Jordan]

Fine. They can all live in that bundle of go fuck yourself.

[Dan]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding.

[Jordan]

Alex.

[Alex]

I'm a first time caller.

[Jordan]

I'm a huge fan.

[Dan]

I love your work. I love you.