The End of the Road

Summary

Knowledge Fight – Episode: "The End of the Road"

Date: May 4, 2026
Hosts: Dan & Jordan

Episode Overview

In what is both a reflective and emotional finale, Dan and Jordan officially announce the end of the Knowledge Fight podcast. They candidly discuss the reasons behind their decision, unpack personal and philosophical differences, and take a heartfelt look back at nearly a decade spent examining Alex Jones’ media ecosystem. The episode focuses on closure, gratitude to their community, and the legacy of their work in the world of misinformation analysis.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Announcement: Ending the Show

• Mutual Decision to End (02:00–02:56):
  Both hosts reveal that Knowledge Fight is coming to an end, citing diverging paths and the sense that the show no longer serves a productive or sustainable purpose for either of them.

  “We’re not doing this... There may not be a future in it that either of us can really deal with.” —Dan (02:03)

• Gratitude & Affirmation (01:42–01:53):
  Both express personal affection and gratitude for each other.

  “My bright spot is I love you very much. And I'm so grateful.” —Jordan (01:42)

2. Catalyst for the Break – The Onion Video

• Clarifying the Catalyst (03:21–04:44):
  Discussion around an external catalyst, specifically a controversial video by Jordan about The Onion. Both clarify that disagreements over this video are not the sole cause—rather, it exposed deeper misalignments.

  “The video itself, I don’t agree with almost anything you said... Except for the underlying points... righteous passion about things not being fair.” —Dan (04:40)

• On Not Hating Each Other (06:49–07:24):
  The hosts stress this isn’t a rage-fueled split—a core difference of beliefs has arisen, but there's no ill will.

3. Evolution and Limits of the Project

• The Changing World & Misinformation (08:56–09:24):
  Dan and Jordan reflect on shifting societal needs, questioning whether their brand of misinformation analysis is still impactful.

• Never About “Taking Down Alex” (09:37–10:32):
  The show was not about destroying Alex Jones, but about understanding and demystifying the persona and claims.

  “We never set out to destroy him.” —Dan (10:15)

• The Impact of Community Archives (11:40–15:32):
  Dan acknowledges that a robust external archive has succeeded in documenting Alex Jones in a way that makes their fact-checking "archivist" role less essential.

4. Reflections on the Podcast’s Journey

• Longevity and Rarity (22:10–22:24):
  Recognition that few podcasts last as long—over 1100 episodes across nine years.

  “Most shows don’t go 1100 episodes or nine years. And that’s... a pretty fucking huge thing.” —Dan (22:24)

• The Community Legacy (24:41–27:53):
  Both hosts express deep pride and gratitude for the unique, kind community that grew around their work.

  “The way that you have been able to create community around something that is so toxic as Alex Jones. It's something that is so inspiring.” —Dan (24:41) “They grew up around us, and we were blessed to have drawn in... an audience that was... not interested in fighting.” —Dan (27:22)

5. Discussions of the Future

• Personal Projects (20:43–21:32):
  • Jordan: Continuing to write books at thequietpartloud.com.
  • Dan: Developing projects at showmystateofmind.com.
• No Immediate Collaboration: The hosts clarify they won’t work together for the foreseeable future, citing the need for a break.

6. Final Reflections & Farewell

• Mutual Appreciation (28:08–29:17):

  “The only way I would want to go out is just letting you know how much it means to me, how much it has meant to me, how much you mean to me, and how much this whole thing is meant.” —Jordan (28:08)

• Encouragement to Reach Out (25:12): Dan invites listeners to email the show for parting words, striving to respond where possible.

• Live Farewell Show (29:45–30:19): The last live event is scheduled at the Brothers 2 Brothers Roundhouse on May 16th, with a planned recording to be released as the final episode.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the Show’s Purpose and Ending:

  “There’s not a failure in not destroying Alex because I think we all knew that we couldn’t.” —Dan (10:39)

  “Our name is now a... metaphor or a pun on something that is now a parody of something that no longer exists.” —Dan (16:29)

• On Community and Dignity:

  “You have been able to create community around something that is so toxic as Alex Jones. It's something that is so inspiring.” —Dan (24:41)

• On Emotions & Closure:

  “We had a good run. We had about as good a run as anybody has any right to have.” —Jordan (21:52) “Thank you to everybody. That's the way I want to go out.” —Jordan (28:12)

• On Their Signature Humor:

  • Bit about haunted whistles and “zombie house flipping” (13:05–13:47, 18:39–19:05).
  • Self-deprecation about longevity, e.g. “This went on far longer than it had any business in...” (22:11).

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Important Timestamps

• [02:00] — The official announcement of the show's end.
• [04:39–05:18] — Clarification on the reasons for ending.
• [10:15] — Never set out to destroy Alex Jones.
• [11:40–15:32] — The value of the new Alex Jones archive.
• [20:43–21:32] — Hosts outline their personal future plans.
• [22:10–22:24] — Reflecting on the show’s unusual longevity.
• [24:41–27:53] — Discussing the legacy and community.
• [29:45–30:19] — Details about the upcoming (final) live event.

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Tone and Closing

The episode is simultaneously bittersweet, direct, and characteristically self-aware, blending heartfelt thanks with the hosts' familiar humor. Both Dan and Jordan emphasize there's no animosity—just the natural conclusion of a journey. They express deep appreciation for the “kindest” community that grew around their show and invite listeners to keep in touch. The sign-off promises one final live gathering, but this episode is the true emotional farewell.

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Final Message:

“There are truths that we discovered and found along the way that would not have been possible without you humoring us through some bullshit... both of us would have lost interest or not been able to continue as far as we have.” —Dan (28:26–29:17)

Additional Resources

• Jordan’s writing: thequietpartloud.com
• Dan’s upcoming projects: showmystateofmind.com
• Farewell Live Show: May 16th at Brothers 2 Brothers Roundhouse; audio to be released.

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For the Knowledge Fight community: Thank you for the ride.

Transcript

[Jordan]

Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert. Red alert.

[Caller/Listener]

Red alert. Red alert. Knowledge Fight. Dan and Jordan. I'm sweating. Knowledgebody.com. it's time to pray. I have great respect for Knowledge Fight. Knowledge Fight. I'm sick of them posing as if they're the good guys, saying we are the bad guys. Knowledge Fight.

[Jordan]

Dan and Jordan.

[Caller/Listener]

Knowledge Fight.

[Dan]

I need money.

[Caller/Listener]

Andy in Kansas. Andy. Andy, stop it. Andy in Kansas. Andy in Kansas. It's time to pray. Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding us.

Hello, Alex. I'm a trim color. I'm a huge fan.

I love your word. Knowledge Fight. Knowledge fight dot com.

[Jordan]

I love you.

[Dan]

Hey, everybody. Welcome back to Knowledge Fight. I'm Dan.

[Jordan]

I'm Jordan.

[Dan]

We're a couple dudes who have enjoyed sitting around it's already begun, drinking novelty beverages, worshiping the altar of Selene, and talking a little bit about Alex Jones.

[Jordan]

Oh, indeed we are. Dan, Jordan. Dan, Jordan. I have a quick question for you.

[Dan]

What's up?

[Jordan]

What are we doing here today?

[Dan]

Oh, man. No bright spot.

[Jordan]

Ah. I don't know. I don't know if I have a bright spot.

[Dan]

I got a bright spot.

[Jordan]

Do you got a bright spot? Yeah. Okay, good.

[Dan]

The look on your face when I mentioned that there was a movie about a haunted whistle.

[Jordan]

That is. That was. You were particularly pink. I could not be happier with that.

[Dan]

We were talking before the show, and one of the things that came up was, there's a movie about a haunted whistle.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And you thought it was very funny.

[Caller/Listener]

Yes.

[Dan]

And I do, too. And that's. That's something to celebrate.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I mean, I guess I have my bright spot. My bright spot is I love you very much. And I'm so grateful. I'm so grateful.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

Yep. That's my bright spot.

[Dan]

Love you, too. And I'm. I'm grateful as well.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So anyway, beat around the bush.

[Jordan]

I think everybody's kind of put it together by now.

[Dan]

Yep. We're done.

[Jordan]

Let's do it the way. Let's go out the way we did at qed. Let's first forget to show up for the banquet.

[Dan]

It was not forgetting.

[Jordan]

No, it wasn't.

[Dan]

It was not knowing. We did not know that we were getting an award.

[Jordan]

Didn't know.

[Caller/Listener]

We did.

[Dan]

We intentionally didn't go because we thought it was going to be a banquet that we didn't need to go to and would be.

[Jordan]

We thought everybody else was getting celebrated. Yeah.

[Dan]

And instead we were disrespectful, so. Yeah. But you Know, rip the band aid off.

[Jordan]

That wasn't the. That wasn't the highest of our bobits,

[Dan]

but I thought it was pretty good character consistency. Yes. Us being smart and polite and gracious.

[Jordan]

No, we've done better.

[Dan]

So, yeah, we are ripping this band aid off, and it is not beating around the bush too much, but we will beat around some bushes here.

[Jordan]

Sure. We've reached the close

[Dan]

it was between you and I. We have kind of mutually taken different paths a little bit, to the mutual decision that this is. We are not. There's. We're not doing this. The show anymore. There may not be productive, and there may not be a future in it that either of us can really deal with.

[Jordan]

Yeah. I think. I think for a lot of people who've been on the Internet, obviously they've seen a very personal catalyst happen, but I don't think that's where we are right now. I think where we are at is like, this is a. This is. We did it. I feel like I did it. I feel like we did what we needed to do, and now the Onion is gonna be the next people who take over, and that's. That's done. You know, I feel good.

[Dan]

Okay.

[Jordan]

I mean, not good, but I feel good about it.

[Dan]

Sure. I. I do not feel exactly the same when you're referring to a personal catalyst. We're talking about a video that not everybody who listens to our show saw. Sure. But probably a lot of people did. Where you had some takes on the Onion.

[Jordan]

I had harsh things to say. Still do.

[Dan]

And I do think that this. That video had a lot of. There's a lot of response to it. A lot of people had a lot of feelings about it. I had a lot of feelings about it as well. But I did believe that it was part of something that we could work through and we could come to the other side of.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But it's. The point that I want to make, is that, for me, that catalyst, people may believe that to be, like, a straw that broke the camel's back. And that's not entirely true.

[Jordan]

No, no. Absolutely not.

[Dan]

The video itself, I don't agree with almost anything you said.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Except for the underlying points you were making. Sure. I agree with a number of those in terms of, like, righteous passion about not things not being fair.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

But I don't agree with a lot of things that you say. And we deal with that as we have through the course of the show. We have dealt with that and through discussions that we've had after this. And in response to this. What's really true is it's more clear that we're not there anymore.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

We're not at a point where you and I can really work through some of our greater differences in the way that is what made the show interesting and fun. And to pretend that we can is going to cause trouble. And I think that it hurts people.

[Jordan]

I mean, they. The thing about comedy duos is that. And this has happened with radio comedy duos for a long time is after a few years they hate each other's guts, but then they work together for another 20 years or something like that without ever really speaking to each other.

[Dan]

And I think radio comedy duos or radio duos at all, a lot of the times have the benefit of being lower stakes and the conversations that they're having aren't around things that are really important. And people can feel terribly betrayed by the. Like. Like, if you're talking sports, who cares? Well, people care about sports.

[Jordan]

Well, people. You people care about sports, but the universe doesn't care about sports.

[Dan]

It's in a different way than hatred and lies and misogyny and transphobia. These things are far more real than sports fandom and more important to people. So when. When they're kind of. I don't think that we disagree on any of those things, but they certainly touch on things that we disagree with. And when those disagreements touch up on things that are really serious and really matter, it's. Yeah, it's. You can't just blah, blah, blah.

[Jordan]

No, you know, there's a. There's a core beliefs conflict. And I don't think. I think a lot of people would like the Internet to be the Internet, where everybody's mad at each other and everybody says fuck you and I hate you and all that shit. And, you know, there's. You can have a core disbelief or a core belief run up against somebody else's core belief. And it's not a hatred. It's just not. I don't. I don't feel any ill will whatsoever. It's just sometimes you gotta not compromise. Sometimes you just gotta. And maybe that's just me.

[Dan]

Sure.

[Jordan]

But it's, you know, that's kind of how I feel.

[Dan]

Yeah. And to. To whatever extent I have any feeling about that, it's. That compromise is. Is a complicated thing, and sometimes it involves actual abandonment of the thing you care about, and sometimes it doesn't. And I think that. I think that we would have been able to compromise on a lot more in the past in a productive way.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And, you know, this isn't like a disagreement about, like, you don't like the Onion and I'm more wishy washy on it.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

Which I think on the surface, some people could probably get that impression. And I want to make sure that no one thinks that.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

Like, it's. I think that, you know, I made my feelings clear. I think that parodying Alex Jones is a difficult game to play. I don't know if anyone should, but they're the people who are best situated to do it. And they, you know, have the blessing of the people that are most importantly impacted by this.

[Jordan]

There you go.

[Dan]

And I think that because of your very negative and very aggressive response, people might have mischaracterized or misunderstood where I was coming from or what my position was.

[Jordan]

Right.

[Dan]

So I wanted to make sure that I expressed that.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

In a conversation with you.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

So, yeah, I think it's hard that we're in a tough spot and the

[Jordan]

world's just a different place too.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

It's not the same place it was.

[Dan]

It is not.

[Jordan]

It's just not.

[Dan]

In some ways, the needs of people are far more severe right now.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And in some ways, the. I think that any, like, focusing on this brand of misinformation. I don't know. I don't know that if it's. I don't know if it serves the needs of those in the world who are most impacted.

[Jordan]

You know, it's. You wish change happens.

[Dan]

It's true.

[Jordan]

Whether you like it or not or whether it's something that you plan for or not. It's change. Change just happens.

[Dan]

Yeah. And when we set out to do this show, we had no conception of what it was or what it was going to become. But I do believe that in our most basic and sort of ground level of it, we never were like, we're gonna take Alex Jones down.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Maybe there was a piece of our interest in what we believe to be doing that was crumbling away. The edifice of the fake version of himself that a lot of people believe is real.

[Jordan]

Yes.

[Dan]

And that's great. And I think we've done tremendous amount of work on that front.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

But we never set out to destroy him.

[Jordan]

And specifically the opposite. Your. Your initial position has always been like, you know, I'm not here to fucking kill this guy. I am here to understand.

[Dan]

And I think. I think certainly over time, we got more, hey, fuck this guy.

[Jordan]

Sure. Well, he earned it. Yeah.

[Dan]

It was an evolution of, you know, and it makes total sense.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

But in terms of, you know, what we held as a point that we were doing. There's not a failure in not destroying Alex because I think we all knew that we couldn't. That wasn't something that was going to happen.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

And the only way essentially to get people to stop believing in Santa Claus is for people to stop believing in Santa Claus. You can make a thousand podcasts about like, I've been to the North Pole. They're lying.

[Jordan]

I swear to you.

[Dan]

Right. I went to Santa Claus, Indiana. I know what I'm talking about. But eventually, the only thing that stops this is people who are drawn to it treating the content and the ideas behind it more reasonably and with a more. You know, it's a. It's a ultimately consumer based, like where the. Where the work is, is the consumer.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And I think we will be. We would be banging that drum repeatedly were we to just continue and follow on with Alex's stuff.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

Now, secondarily, another thing that became a very important piece of this to me through the process of doing was that I realized that there was no central place where you could go to fact check claims that Alex made about himself. When I started doing the show, I had to find hidden RSS feeds that had the old episodes of Alex's show that I could go and consult to fact check these things. And as the process has gone on, there's the kfc.

[Jordan]

Absolutely. You can go through every transcript. Yeah.

[Dan]

Has put together this amazing archive that were that in existence at the time when we started this show, the show would still have value. But in terms of pointing out the. The ability of someone to go back and be like, wait, is that what he said?

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It is now so easy for people to do that at the Fight Fudgy. Yeah. Site that the point that I could serve as a archivist or as a resource for journalists who want to do a better job about understanding Alex in a fuller context. I don't serve a purpose in that way anymore. And I don't say that as any bitterness or any resentment. I think that that site has essentially done the most solid work of what I could have aspired to do in terms of making a wiki.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And so to me, I think that that is something that has grown out of this and that will live there. And yeah, it covers so many other misinformation people. And so people, you know, whatever entertainment loss there is in us not doing the show anymore real hard, like where the rubber meets the road, facilitating covering this responsibly. I believe that that mantle is taken care of.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

That. That resource is available for people, and that's. That's something that means a lot. So I want to publicly thank the person who put that together. Yeah.

[Jordan]

Amazing.

[Dan]

I didn't do it.

[Jordan]

I mean, if. If that had been available, I don't know if the questions that you asked that started the show wouldn't have already been answered.

[Dan]

It would be very easy for me to answer.

[Jordan]

Right. So when we started the show, if that had existed, maybe our show wouldn't exist. So, you know, who knows the process

[Dan]

of finding the answer to, like, is Alex racist? Or, hey, what is he? What does he mean about this thing?

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

It would have been very easy. It would have been much easier for us to come to those, like, solve those questions.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I think that the charm of the show, a lot of it, involves me digging around in shit and who knows what we'll find.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And that never would have been something I did if you already knew what

[Jordan]

you were gonna find.

[Dan]

Cause I probably would just be able to Google it.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You just find it. Oh, this is what I found.

[Dan]

I looked for it and that's better. It's a better state of affairs for everyone. Worst state of affairs in terms of me creating something fun. Hey, you know, you take the rough with the smooth.

[Jordan]

Can't win them all, as they say.

[Dan]

Yeah. So as that has existed, it has. You know, there has been a slight struggle of purpose, I think. And that's not to say that that website or, you know, the person who made it is, like, responsible for me being able. I'm certainly not saying that. But, you know, there's what I can bring academically to Alex has been done. Someone took that mantle of making an archive, and that's there.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

I have contributed as much as I can from a analytical perspective of, like, this is how these lies work. And so I do feel. I feel like I have hit sort of that maximum. And at the same time, from our conversations, I don't think it's unfair for me to say that you don't feel like there's a whole lot more that you can add to this.

[Jordan]

What else is there for me to say about Alex Jones? You know, it is. It is one of those things where now, considering the change he's made, that Infowars is no, you know, we're knowledge fight.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And Infowars is fine. So what are we.

[Dan]

You know, our name is a joke on a thing that now is not what it was.

[Jordan]

Right. And is, in a way, that's just metaphorically all we need to know it.

[Dan]

You know, it is an interesting kind of brain fuck or something. Like, our name is now a Met. Like a metaphor or a pun on.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Something that is now a parody of something that no longer exists.

[Jordan]

I think that puts us way down the rabbit hole. I don't. I don't think we're the mirror. I think we're like the 35th guy looking in the mirror, if you know what I'm saying.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And. And that's. That's strange.

[Jordan]

It is strange. It is strange. I. Yeah. Yeah. It's. It's hard to imagine things with Alex getting better, you know, I mean, like, it's hard to imagine his sort of, like, huge resurgence of power and popularity that would require heroic knowledge fighters to rise up and combat, you know?

[Dan]

Right. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I think. I think that. And you know, from it. From that standpoint. Yeah. From another standpoint. Who are we kidding? That, like, he's ever going to say anything that's, like, really worthy of reconsidering.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Like, the point that he's coming from,

[Jordan]

you know, I got it right.

[Dan]

Like, I know that I've been. I've been probably wrong about a fair number of things over the course of this show, but I know that his shit is bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

And that's not gonna change, like, based on some new piece of information or a document that he finds or. Or whatever. Some meme.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

You know, like, so I think that the challenge of finding a way that. This is interesting. Yeah. Also is. Is. I mean, sure, it's a new chapter.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

He's got his new fake business.

[Jordan]

Sure.

[Dan]

You know, whatever. But it's just gonna be the same.

[Jordan]

Yeah. You know, I think we feel real

[Dan]

fucking stupid if he starts that painting show.

[Jordan]

Oh, God. One of the. Well, we'll start a. Yeah, we'll start. We'll start a new paint show. Yeah, that'll be. That'll be a. We got to move the brand names. We got to do the whole thing.

[Dan]

It'd be great.

[Jordan]

What?

[Dan]

House painting shows on a ladder. Just like, oh, my God.

[Jordan]

I saw. Every time I see zombie house flipping on, like, a guide, I'm like, yes. And then it's just.

[Caller/Listener]

Just.

[Jordan]

It's just old houses. It's not. Oh, I dream of house flipping within a zombie apocalypse.

[Dan]

That's not.

[Jordan]

That sounds like an amazing show.

[Dan]

Exploitative title, that bullshit.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

It's infuriating because the, like, a house can't be a zombie.

[Jordan]

It can't be. But what if it was?

[Dan]

Then the attics of other Houses,

[Jordan]

attics.

[Dan]

Yeah, that's what it would do.

[Jordan]

That would be interesting. I would watch that.

[Dan]

The attic is the head of.

[Jordan]

What if there was a haunted whistle in one of those houses?

[Dan]

I'm listening. I think you get that made. Clearly.

[Jordan]

I think that can be greenlit. Yeah.

[Dan]

It's going to suck if that's a good movie. Just like the idea of. It's fucking dumb, but it's actually good.

[Jordan]

Some odd tour. It's actually Charlie Kaufman's follow up to Being John Malkovich.

[Dan]

I'm going to feel like an asshole.

[Jordan]

Watch out for this whistle.

[Dan]

Be so good if you blow it. You're not supposed to blow it.

[Jordan]

You're not. I mean, it's haunted. Obviously.

[Dan]

It does the good, the bad, the ugly whistle.

[Caller/Listener]

Oh.

[Jordan]

Yep. All right.

[Dan]

So I think that. I think we've made a point about the way that neither of us really see moving forward on this. And I don't believe, based on our, you know, some of the fundamental difference that we have and some of the not being really able to work through whatever it is, the tension that creates the interesting dynamic between us, I. It makes it difficult for us to say, okay, well, why don't we try something else? And so I don't know exactly, like, what your plans are or if you have something that you would want to direct people to in the future. I have some projects that I'm working on and I hope people will check them out and we'll. We'll go to them and hopefully they don't suck. We'll see. But we're not. We're not going to be working together in the. In the immediate future.

[Jordan]

Not in the immediate future, no.

[Dan]

It's not a hostility, it's not a hate, but it is a. I mean, it's.

[Jordan]

I need a break.

[Dan]

Isn't the best for.

[Jordan]

For all parties for right now especially? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, if you. If I'm still writing, I still. I've published a couple of books. I'm at the quiet part. Loud dot com, that's my website. I'll finish another book here by the end of the year, I imagine. So hopefully that'll be good. Yep, that's about where we're at.

[Dan]

I have a URL, but I don't have anything on it. Oh, but it is. Show me. Stateofmind.com will be website where I have things and hopefully. Hopefully sooner than later, I think, you know. But yeah, we'll see.

[Jordan]

You've told me a little bit of your plans and I'm excited to see them. Come to fruition.

[Dan]

I think that the directions that I've gone and the things that I find interesting now, I hope that these are able to capture those in a similar way that the wonder of exploring right wing media has. But I'm not. I'm not sure that is not a good sales pitch.

[Jordan]

Well, here's what's great. We had a good run. We had about as good a run as you as anybody has any right to have. If you say, hey, we're just going to do an Alex Jones podcast, that's crazy. If you say we're going to do a whole 11, 30 of those podcasts, you're absolutely nuts.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

And we did it.

[Dan]

This went on far longer than it had any business in. In terms of a show.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

That, like, you know, I think it's not telling tales out of school that, like, most things don't last that long.

[Jordan]

They don't.

[Dan]

Most shows don't go 1100 episodes or nine years. And that's something that is. Is a pretty fucking huge thing. And I think a year in six months in, people were like, this isn't gonna last.

[Jordan]

Crazy. It was crazy.

[Dan]

And we proved them wrong.

[Jordan]

I mean, right. You know, there's, there's, there's. What was the last thing they said? There's practically a billion podcasts, and now a third of them are AI or whatever. You know, to, to be. To be number one is ridiculous. But to be up there, that's fucking amazing. You know, to be up there, that's tough to do.

[Dan]

Yeah. And I feel like a little bit of this is patting ourselves on the

[Jordan]

back, but, yeah, now is the time to pat ourselves before. No pats now pats on the, on

[Dan]

the way out of, you know, whatever space this is and, you know, whatever this is. Yeah, it is. I can reflect a little bit of like a. Hey, pretty cool. We did a pretty cool thing and I'm glad we did. I don't, I don't regret that aspect of things at all. I do think that as we are recording this as a bit of a announcement of our. A farewell retirement from this.

[Jordan]

Something. Yeah.

[Dan]

I do think that it is only that, first of all, I acknowledge all of the people who are such a huge part of. Whether it's the actual functioning parts of the show with DJ Danarchy making the theme.

[Jordan]

Oh, my God.

[Dan]

Angela Lampsbury and all of her designs and all of these things.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

Or if we go the other way to everybody who sent such thoughtful, cool things that decorate the office that we record in it without both the Help of a cool theme song maker and things like people who've sent in designs and the emotional abiliance of people who express their creativity in a way that's a inside joke around something we've created. I can't thank you all enough for the act of creating those things and sending them to us.

[Caller/Listener]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And the way that you have been able to create community around something that is so toxic as Alex Jones. It's something that is so inspiring. And I know that just because we are stopping the show, I don't feel like I cannot still have some feeling toward the audience and the community. I can't abandon.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

People who have. Who have, you know, so much invested and so please feel free to email knowledge [e-mail] and I will do my damn best to get back to everybody that I can. I hope it'll be everybody who emails. I don't know. There might be some mean emails and that. That'll be fine.

[Jordan]

I don't know. We might be in a button situation.

[Dan]

My friend and I made it through the button.

[Jordan]

You did. You made it through three button situations.

[Dan]

Yeah. So that's okay. But I recognize and I think it's important to express that stopping the show is something that we can make an immediate choice on and do. And it is something that everyone who listens to the show and it has been part of their life, there's going to be a process to it and they're going to take the news and feel a certain way about it. And it wouldn't not be right of me to sit here, you know, pat myself on the back and then be like. And good luck.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

So I want to make clear that I will not. That's not the way I foresee myself doing.

[Jordan]

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, when we were in Portland and I was on side stage right before we had gone out and one of the security people came up to me and specifically said, this is one of the most kind. And this was the night that I learned what a. What an atmospheric river is.

[Dan]

Yeah.

[Jordan]

Which is a river in the sky. That was. That night was wet. Tons of people wound up not being able to make it. And the people who did fought their way through it and they were still kind. If anybody could have had a reasonable like curtness or a bit of annoyance from just surviving that long out in the rain, none of them. None of you guys did. And it's. It's one of our legacies. I think that will be perfect.

[Dan]

But it's a legacy also that we didn't like. I don't think that we did.

[Jordan]

They grew up around us, and we

[Dan]

were blessed to have drawn in and attracted people and listeners and an audience that was that way, that was not interested in fighting, that was not interested in, you know, stupid, petty concerns.

[Jordan]

Yeah.

[Dan]

And I will be eternally grateful for that. And I hope that. I hope that some of you are interested in the things that we do in the future, whatever they may be.

[Jordan]

Absolutely.

[Dan]

And I hope that. I hope that everyone's fine. Is there anything front of mind for you? Anything else that you feel.

[Jordan]

No. No. The only way I would want to go out is just letting you know how much it means to me, how much it has meant to me, how much you mean to me, and how much this whole thing is meant. So thank you to everybody. That's the way I want to go out.

[Dan]

Mm. And thank you for being a part of this ride and to, you know, everyone in the audience. There are truths that we discovered and found along the way that would not have been possible without you humoring us through some bullshit and sometimes of bullshit. And that is, you know, in a way that is not like anything else that I've ever done in my career or in creative pursuits that I' There was an amount of. If people had not encouraged and people had not been as solid as they were and as cool as they were, I think that both of us would have lost interest or not been able to continue as far as we have.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

So thank you. And that is, you know, definitely the thing that I will. Is most important to me of this, of this time. So I guess with this, we will sign off on this, this farewell we are having. We still have our live show that we're doing at the Brothers 2 Brothers

[Jordan]

roundhouse on May 16th.

[Dan]

I mean, it's sold out.

[Jordan]

It'll be a big party.

[Dan]

Anybody who's listening to this is not going to be able to get tickets, per se. And people who have, I don't know, maybe they might be angry and want to burn them or maybe they want to come celebrate or something, I don't know. But if there's an element where there's. People have made travel plans and stuff,

[Jordan]

and you can't cancel that we're going to do it.

[Dan]

So we'll be there for a final show.

[Jordan]

Yep, that's the plan.

[Dan]

That will come out on the audio to. So long as someone doesn't screw up the recording. As long as the recording works, that will come out as a final episode. But again, thank you all again, and I don't know. Am I the mysterious professor anymore?

[Jordan]

I mean, I think. I think we're Dan and Jordan.

[Dan]

I think that we have reverted to Dan and Jordan. Not Jordan.

[Jordan]

No.

[Dan]

No longer. No longer is the D in your name capitalized.

[Jordan]

We are ourselves. We are individuals.

[Dan]

Yeah. And that. That journey. Hurrah.

[Jordan]

Yep.

[Dan]

But sex robots are still coming. I do need to warn everyone that the sex robots are still coming. And for what will maybe be one of the last times.

[Caller/Listener]

Andy in Kansas, you're on the air. Thanks for holding,

Alex. I'm a first time caller. I'm a huge fan. I love your work, I love you.