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That attributes will dominate. And that is peace, that is love, and that is joy. See, these three attributes are from the spirit. Any other attributes like anxiety and all those things, it means that one is covered. And we are functioning based on mind and body. Mind and body are like equipment and they have their own attributes. Let me give you example. If you are a driver and very good driver, then you have a vehicle. Your own attributes, your own desires or things you need are different from what the vehicle needs. For example, in the morning, you take your breakfast, you take your bath, you do all those things. You go into the car. The car needs fuel, it needs this oil and other things. So mind and body, they are not you and they need things. But you take care of who you are first before getting into it. Otherwise you get into it and you start wrongly because you ignored who you are. And the attributes of the car becomes anxiety. Now getting the fuel and the tires down and this and that, and worry so much. And meanwhile your soul, you are hungry and you are weak. So when it's like that, it's perpetual anxiety, fear, anger, embody is not you. No.
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So who am I?
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Great, great. You see, beloved. Let me put it this way. Like you have this and you are bringing it down, down, down, down, down, down, down to a lot it meets. Yep. Like the way triangle, you know, meets at a point. So that point is small and when you are backing off, it is back, expanding, expanding, expanding. So who you are narrows down, comes to a point, we call it mind. And it goes down further to the last point, physical. Then you are the body. Now, these things are not original. The original, the source is the expanded presence. So that expanded presence is the real you. But for the sake of a drama, you narrow down, narrow down. And the narrowing down had a starting point and it will have to also end. But the expanded being that you are is eternal. What is the expanded being? And have terminologies like spirit, you can say God and so on. So in a sense, know ye not that ye are gods.
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So we have started from expanded being.
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Yeah.
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Into this physical state. Yes. And the purpose is to go back. Yes. To the expanded being. Yeah. But that, that, that, that complicates the whole thing. We should have just remained in the expanded being state.
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Very good. You see, a drama is purposeful. When you have a documentary, you set it and you watch it up to some point and then reset another. So the spirit is doing these things as a kind of drama through that. You know, drama has two things that we always talk about for education and for entertainment. So the education side is what I was explaining to you. Souls have begun. They begin by forgetting themselves and just the narrow down things occupy them. And as they are expanded behind, they are not even aware. It's just these narrowed down things and they forget who they are. And whatever they give attention to, they are sending energy into it. So it makes those things go on. But as it is going on, in actual fact, if you forget yourself, then out of it will come anxieties and things unlike your reason.
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My head is just exploding in a sense that yes, yes, yes, there is ultimate right, There is God or whatever name people want to call it, right? And then there is God within us, God with us. And an aspect of us is God or we are the bigger part, please let me land. The bigger part is God, right? And we've been made to come into this being, to face all these problems, all these troubles, and still want to attract, and still, you know, want to have the best of this world. But then ultimately we need to go back to the, to the God self, the spirit itself. Why did God even have to create us to go through the problem only.
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To come back again? Very good. First of all, realize that as below, so above, what you tie down here is like tie down up there. What it means is this, when you come as a baby, the very first thing for your entrance into this state, his breath. So if the baby doesn't cry, we are worried because it's not entering the world. Once he cries, the breathing begins. So the cry is a purposeful thing for the air to move. And then he enters into the drama. So the breathing out, breathing in is a symbolic thing that God is doing, that the whole universe is breathed out and he breathes it in back in a sense. So when it is out there, then all this drama is going on. The fact is this, when you don't side by side, be aware of who you are, the perfect self, then all these things, you attribute them to be real. You involved in this and that, then you continue to really be Islamic. But your question, see why God does all this whilst we go through suffering?
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Because if the real purpose is to become like God, and we were already like God before coming into this existence, why put us through this?
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Very good. In the first place, when you have a baby lying on the mom's legs, the baby has seen things like cuts and other things. And sometimes what is this? What is that? And sometimes puts their hand in fire, it burns. So it develops some fears a little about the outer life. Now when the baby is lying on the mom's and the baby begins the dreaming process and is seeing what he was seeing physically. He was seeing cats and other things that it was afraid of. Now, in the dream now the baby may scream. When he awakens, he realizes he's very safe on mom's lap. You understand me? Yeah. Yes. So the soul proper is safe because eternally nothing is going to happen too, because it's like you are lying on the lap of God.
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So really we should have been a bunch of souls without bodies, because it's the bodies and emotions that are causing the problems for us.
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Yes, but we are translating it to be problems. It's education, you see. So when certain souls learn faster, then they move faster and they understand the pattern and then they enjoy it. The other time I mentioned that if you have two people and you take them to the ocean, the sea, seaside, the beach, the waves are coming, going, coming, going. Now if you throw the two people into it, if one knows how to swim, the other doesn't know how to swim. The one who doesn't know how to swim is in danger and is panicking, is worried, what is all this happening to me? The one who knows how to swim may even enjoy the waves. So the fact that we are panicking and suffering and so on, the souls have to learn. It takes time for some to learn. And when we learn, the same things may be happening. And we may be laughing, we may be enjoying having peaceful in the middle of all the things going on in the drama. So in the long, long run, every soul will reach it and look back and wow. Let me give you this examp. Sometimes there are certain documentaries that they show on the telly and intentionally set up in such a way they call it just for laughs. And people are drawn into it and they are so serious about the things and they are doing and panicking and worrying and anxiety and sometimes fear and anger and everything. And then somebody comes and says, hey, hey, it's a prank. It is a prank. Right?
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You see?
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So in actual fact, all that is going on, souls who in long run have to transcend it.
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Yes, but in the process there is pain, there is emotions, people. You would lose a loved one, you will lose some money. Some things are happening that are causing people a lot of emotions in the same drama.
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Yes. What it is, is the power of the spirit is so much, I mean, unlimited. So unlimited. So when even creates illusion, the illusion looks so real because of that power. See Connected Minds podcast.
Host: Derrick Abaitey
Episode: Self-Discovery Before Service: Why You Can't Help Others Until You Know Your True Self
Date: November 25, 2025
This episode of Konnected Minds explores the concept of self-discovery as a prerequisite for effectively serving and helping others. Derrick Abaitey and his guest delve into the spiritual and philosophical reasoning behind the idea that one must know their true, expanded self before they can truly support and uplift those around them. Through relatable metaphors and profound dialogue, they examine the nature of spirit, mind, and body, and how forgetting our true identity leads to anxiety and struggle.
This episode presents an engaging, reflective exploration of why knowing one's true nature as “spirit” is essential before attempting to help others. Through vivid analogies and a warm, philosophical tone, Derrick and his guest remind listeners that the source of anxiety, fear, and suffering is often a disconnection from the expanded self. By recognizing this “cosmic drama” for what it is, and by learning (rather than fleeing from) life’s challenges, listeners can cultivate the inner peace and confidence necessary to serve others authentically.
The central lesson: Before reaching out to support others, deepen your awareness of your own true self—a limitless, peaceful spirit purposefully engaged in the grand drama of life.