Kyle and Patty go deep on performance-enhancing drugs, bodybuilding prep mistakes, and how Patty eventually won his class after taking diet and training seriously—followed by a major spiritual turning point. Patty describes a series of experiences that led him to identify God’s guidance, including a night of intrusive “devil” thoughts stopped by invoking Jesus, a timely conversation with a spiritually-minded gym acquaintance, and a vivid dream urging repentance and change. Shortly after, a chain of events at the gym led him to a trader who taught him a day trading strategy, resulting in Patty making $290,000 the next month and shifting his identity from bodybuilding to trading. They also discuss staying on TRT, fertility concerns, quality-of-life improvements off heavier cycles, and broader themes like money as a “pissing contest” versus meaning, building a family compound for his parents, raising children with an abundance mindset and homeschooling, and Kyle’s perspectives on plant medicine, integration, and safer paths like the upcoming darkness retreat in June with Dr. Nathan Riley and led by Edmond Knighton.

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