Ghosts, Life vs Death, and Other Mind Blowing Conspiracies

Summary

LA PLATICA – "Ghosts, Life vs Death, and Other Mind Blowing Conspiracies"

March 23, 2026 | Hosts: Sebastian Robles and Josh Leyva | Guest: Jessica

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Episode Overview

This lively episode of LA PLATICA dives fearlessly into life’s greatest mysteries and mind-bending conspiracies. Hosts Sebas and Josh, joined by Jessica, explore questions of civilization, religion, death, afterlife, dreams, lost treasures, money, and the limits of human knowledge. Through humor, vulnerability, and curiosity, they tackle what keeps their audience up at night—from the mysteries of the pyramids and parallel universes to personal stories of loss, faith, and matching jewelry gone missing. The tone is as playful and warm as it is thoughtful, showing how “gentlemen exist” even in the wildest conversations.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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Civilization & Lost History (00:00–00:37, 41:00–53:27)

• Are we the most advanced people ever?

  • Josh: “For me to think that, like, this is the highest we've ever gone in civilization for as long as the Earth has lived, I'm like, maybe not. And honestly, probably not.” (00:00)
  • Sebas adds skepticism about official history and mentions the uncanny sophistication of ancient monuments.

• Tartaria Conspiracy Theory

  • Jessica introduces Tartaria—theorized as a lost global civilization erased by a cataclysmic “mud flood.”
    • “Supporters believe evidence of this lost empire can be found in old maps, unusual architecture, and large buildings they think couldn't have been built with the technology officially recorded at the time.” (41:16)
  • Discussion shifts to what the government is and why it would hide the truth, with comedic jabs at secret societies.
  • Both hosts raise the possibility that “our civilization might just be one of many,” with others far more advanced.

• Pyramids, Atlantis, and Ancient Tech

  • Sebas marvels at the true, original appearance of the pyramids:
    • “It was limestone. It was sleek granite.”
    • They debate the rumors of hidden chambers, mysterious hieroglyphics (like “ancient helicopters”), and stories of Atlantis as evidence of lost knowledge.
  • Josh: “There's no way they built this with no technology.” (49:04)
  • The team acknowledges facts might be warped by time and storytelling: “Life is a big ass game of telephone.” (29:30)

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Faith, Religion, and Spiritual Curiosity (16:04–37:46)

• Blending Science & Faith

  • Listeners appreciate that Sebas and Josh candidly ask tough questions:
    • “You guys were kind of just asking questions that a lot of people have. So I feel like it was a really refreshing take on. We want to understand this better.” (16:27, Jessica reading listener feedback)
  • Josh: “If you're a believer, you don't ask. You just have faith. But it's like, no, but I. I'm so curious, you know, And I still want to understand.” (17:33)

• On Grief, Life & Death

  • A moving listener comment about trying to connect with a deceased parent sparks vulnerability and comfort:
    • “If I want my dad to be with me the whole time, he'll be with me the whole time... whatever you feel is right, you know? And I think that if you feel like your dad is connected to you and he is watching you, that is what is.” (23:16, Sebas & 23:54, Josh)
  • Jessica: “If it's significant to you, like, that means that that's your person trying to communicate to you and letting them [you know]... and that's all that matters.” (28:05)
  • Josh and Sebas agree—coincidences may be cosmic “winks” from loved ones or the universe.

• Angels, Jinn, and Religion

  • Listener Yaselin shares the Muslim belief in Jinn as real, free-willed beings:
    • “What people often think are ghosts are actually jinn.” (28:09)
  • Sebas: “Every religion has so many different beliefs, right?...I always put myself in a position where it's like, imagine if they're right, you know, like, how cool is that?” (29:34)
  • Jessica explains angelic hierarchies—archangels vs. angels—and how even Lucifer was reportedly an archangel (31:39–32:18).
  • Playful speculation about the physicality (“Do you think they're buff?”) and roles of angels turns into a good-natured back-and-forth.
  • Humorous chat about Virgin Mary, the origins of Jesus’s names, religious denominations, and how faith traditions splinter like “gangs” (37:46).

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Universe, Parallel Worlds, and Dream Logic (19:00–22:24, 54:16–62:27)

• Everything Is Connected

  • Powerful testimony from listeners who hear their lives echoed in the show:
    • “It just so happens to be that it's a topic on the show that I'm going through... This was such a great reminder that God is so much more bigger than what our dreams may see or what our problems may seem.” (19:10)
  • The team encourages sharing stories and cultivating vulnerability as a “muscle”—with spillover effects for real-world compassion.

• Are We in a Simulation?

  • The group riffs on the idea that reality could be as illusory as an ant’s understanding of humans, or layers within a simulation (40:01): “How do you not know someone's microscoping our ass and we are the cell[?]” (40:29)

• Dreams as Alternate Realities

  • Mariana’s question prompts fascinating theories:
    • “Sometimes I think that [dreams are] just our subconscious... But other times I wonder if we travel to our other realities. Sort of like the movie everything, everywhere, all at once.” (57:43)
  • Sebas: “I like to believe that in the dream that I'm having that actually happened in another parallel univers[e]... Sevas is living a crazy life right now.” (58:54)
  • The team discusses lucid dreaming, techniques for control, recurring dreams, and even AI’s attempts to record dreams. (59:49–61:44)

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Money: Debt, Injustice, and the System (62:27–67:03)

• Who Do We Owe All This Money To?
  • Listeners’ existential dread surfaces in questions about currency and national debt:
    • “The concept of money is one thing I think about. Like, will it ever run out? ... And also, how is it that the US is in debt? Like, who do we owe, bro?” (62:27)
  • Jessica explains that most US debt is held by its own citizens, institutions, and the Federal Reserve, with 25% held by foreign nations like Japan and China. (64:00)
  • Josh and Sebas express confusion about the logic of “double-taxing” earned income, cash culture, and how the entire financial system feels like an elaborate, rigged game. (65:07)
  • Spirited, comedic conclusion: “No one pay taxes... What are they gonna do? Nothing!” (67:03)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

On Higher Civilizations & Lost History

• Josh: "For me to think that this is the highest we've ever gone in civilization ... probably not." (00:00)
• Sebas: "I truly believe that there is a group or ... secret world out there, that we're just puppets." (43:26)

On Death & Spiritual Signs

• Jessica (reading listener comment): “I always get frustrated thinking about the veil that’s between us and the deceased. ... Is he next to me right now? I can't even acknowledge him ... I can't breathe thinking about this.” (22:28)
• Sebas: “The voice in our head is truly who we are as a spirit. ... not necessarily who you look at.” (24:51)

On Vulnerability & Community

• Sebas: “Talking and being vulnerable with topics that we tend not to speak about is a muscle that we can activate and practice.” (21:38)

On Religion as a Telephone Game

• Sebas: “I believe that life is a big ass game of telephone, you know? Because everything had to be rooted from just one source at the very beginning.” (29:30)

On Dreaming & Alternate Universes

• Sebas: “In the dream that I'm having that actually happened in another parallel universe ... Why is my life so boring?” (58:54)
• Jessica: “The latest dream technology focuses on recording dream visuals via AI ... like, they're able to see what you're dreaming.” (61:49)

On Money & the System

• Josh: “You open up like a checkings account ... You put 10 grand in there ... [the bank spends it] ... It's just crazy to me.” (64:29)
• Sebas: “It's a game where, like, you win, but you also lose.” (65:19)
• Josh: “What a f---ing game.” (65:58)

On Existence and Universality

• Josh: “This little insignificant dot that we live in. You make it significant for us.” (68:44)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 00:00 – Questioning if we’re the most advanced civilization
• 16:04 – Starting religion, science, and God discussion (Listener feedback)
• 22:28 – Listener shares grief and afterlife thoughts
• 28:09 – Intro to Jinn and spiritual dimensions in Islam
• 41:16 – Tartaria conspiracy: Ancient erased civilizations
• 49:04 – How did the pyramids really get built?
• 54:16 – Astrophysics, manifestation, and “reality is what you focus on”
• 57:43 – Dreams: parallel realities, lucid dreaming, and AI dream tech
• 62:27 – Mind-boggling questions about money, national debt, and financial systems

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Episode Tone and Style

Warm, humorous, open-hearted, softly irreverent, and deeply curious.
Hosts blend seriousness with playful teasing and self-deprecating humor, fostering a space where deep questions are welcomed, no belief is dismissed, and laughter is always part of the answer. The vibe constantly returns to empathy, gratitude, and community.

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Takeaways

• The big questions—death, dreams, faith, conspiracies, lost civilizations—don’t have answers, but talking about them makes us all less alone.
• Vulnerability is a strength. Talking openly about confusion, grief, and curiosity can have profound impacts.
• It’s okay to hold sacred beliefs playfully or to not have beliefs at all. Wonder and humility unite us.
• Reality might be weirder, more connected, and more changeable than we think—so keep your mind (and heart) open.

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Transcript

[Josh]

For me to think that, like, this is the highest we've ever gone in civilization for as long as the Earth has lived, I'm like, maybe not. And honestly, probably not.

[Sebas]

There's no way. There can't be.

[Josh]

Nobody else invented the Internet before. Or crazier shit than that.

[Sebas]

I saw how the pyramids before used to look like when they were brand new. Did you know how they look like?

[Josh]

They're like gold and shit.

[Sebas]

It was limestone. It was sleek granite. The stories of Poseidon, the city of Atlantis. Like, was that before? Is that who we're talking about when it's like this entire intelligent people? There's evidence, right, of the city of Atlantis and. And what humans used to be?

[Josh]

I've gotten dreams about, like, me dying through, like, being shot at. Like, that's how I die a lot. I've noticed that I used to work at Journeys, and there was this employee that I worked with, and he said he would practice lucid dreaming. He was super adamant about this. He would talk to me about it every single day, bro. And it got me to the point that I got very intrigued.

[Sebas]

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[Josh]

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[Sebas]

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[Josh]

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[Sebas]

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[Josh]

What's up with it, Rufus?

[Sebas]

The soul is coming to the. I. I believe the forum. Yeah.

[Josh]

We going to that?

[Sebas]

We have to, huh?

[Josh]

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[Sebas]

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[Josh]

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[Sebas]

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[Josh]

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[Sebas]

We appreciate you guys.

[Josh]

And we'll see you in about 12.4. I'm going to use it.

[Jessica]

Let me be honest.

[Sebas]

Every guest is a privilege.

[Josh]

Do we want to go there?

[Sebas]

Get jolly. Cuz I'm on a podcast with Josh Lay. Yeah, you have too.

[Josh]

Ladies and gentlemen, let me just tell you,

[Jessica]

this is La Platica Episode 239.

[Josh]

Production Dunction. What's your function?

[Sebas]

Welcome, everybody, to La Platica. Happy Monday. Mondays don't suck. I hope you guys had an amazing weekend. Hey, hey. Yeah. This episode is sponsored by Sea Geek. Number one ready taking app on the app store. Make sure you use Sea Geek. It's la plate and duh. And guess what I'm drinking. Salute.

[Josh]

Hey, me too.

[Sebas]

Energy. Today's one of those days where I'm feeling kind of down. I don't know why. It's just one of those days, you know, when people have the saying, just one of those days. One of those days.

[Josh]

Yeah. But I'm going to need you to pick that energy up.

[Sebas]

Yeah. So I'm picking it up right now with pina colada, which is now in my top three favorite flavors.

[Josh]

I have to agree.

[Sebas]

Seva.

[Josh]

I have to agree.

[Sebas]

And you can use. People forget that there's a code for salut. Hello here. La Platica.

[Josh]

Of course.

[Sebas]

Of course. Like, like, like Usalo.

[Josh]

10%. And I'm drinking the goated flavor, the one that started it all.

[Sebas]

Yeah, like, dude, like us a little dude.

[Josh]

I'm not going to lie. I don't want to go into a salute tangent here, but let's just be real here. If you're drinking electrolytes and you're not drinking salud, you're doing yourself a disservice because the comp sucks. Yeah, the comp sucks. Okay.

[Sebas]

Is there a comp? I don't think so.

[Josh]

There's no comp, I think. Yo, happy Monday, guys. Hope you guys are having a good start to your week. Shout out to camera four. Popping. I need that energy up, y'.

[Sebas]

All.

[Josh]

Come on, baby. It's Monday. We got to set it off for the people. Yeah, we got. We got homegirl on the Stairmaster getting out after it.

[Sebas]

Yeah, H. Homegirl and homeboy. Car pulling right now.

[Josh]

What's up?

[Sebas]

On the way to work. We see you, chees. I have a story to tell you.

[Josh]

I have ears to Listen to that story.

[Sebas]

So couple. Couple weeks ago, I think maybe by the time this episode hits Monday, it'll be probably like three weeks since I was in Cabo. And I'm. I've been kind of sad lately. What am I. You know, me. There's a lot of signature pieces that, that Sebastian carries along his life. A lot of niche things that he carries. A lot of niche things he buys, things he has at home, things he wears. I lost my chrome hearts cemetery ring. I don't. If you guys did it.

[Josh]

No, people know that's like a very staple ring of yours, that it's very stable.

[Sebas]

I always, always, always wear that ring. I am obsessed with that ring.

[Josh]

What happened, Sebas?

[Sebas]

I lost it. I lost it in Cabo. Kind of a cool story that I can. That I can share.

[Josh]

Yeah. We got nothing but time, baby.

[Sebas]

I was. I was on. I was on the. The. The boat. The boat was on the boat. And I went to the back of the boat and when I was in the back of the boat, I. I grabbed food. Because the only reason why I went to the back of the boat was because there was like a flock of seagulls. I don't know if there were seagulls, but let's just pretend they're seagulls on some. Yeah. And they were just like. It was just beautiful. We were going like about 50 on. On the boat and we were chilling, bro. The sun. The sun was setting, making it sunset.

[Josh]

I like that. I like that.

[Sebas]

And for some reason these birds were following. I said, there's only one reason they're following us. They probably want food. Right. Because why. Why else would they follow human beings?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Yeah. So I grabbed some sushi, I grabbed some pan tortillas. And normally on these boats in the back, there's like docks where you can just go. You can. You know. So I was in the back of the boat.

[Josh]

Is this it right here? Is this you?

[Sebas]

Oh, great picture. Thank you so much for pulling it up. Yes. What an amazing picture. Right?

[Josh]

That's beautiful.

[Sebas]

Probably one of the most top five picturesque, amazing, beautiful pictures that I've ever. Somebody has ever taken of me. Capturing just, what a moment.

[Josh]

Yeah. Because usually you're the one behind the camera, man.

[Sebas]

Let's talk about that later. Anyways, is this.

[Josh]

Was this, like, on her phone or was it that she actually bust out the camera?

[Sebas]

Karen was recording me and Karen was taking pictures of me because it was such a scene. How beautiful is that?

[Josh]

I mean, that is the definition of scenic.

[Sebas]

Scenic. Now, can we all say Those are seagulls or pajaros del mar. Anyways, yeah, so I'm feeding them, right? I was like, okay, let me throw it up in the sky and see what happens. Rip a tortilla. That. That bird right there, the one that's in the front, all cacao looking.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Catches it, bro. Wow. Everybody in the back of me goes, oh, my God. Like, why is that so cool? And, like, that made me feel so good about myself. I was like the Caesar Milan of the ocean, you know what I mean? It was just. It was. It was just so sick. Sick, bro. I felt like I was one with the caca. Yeah. So I kept doing it, you know, Everybody in the back. Oh, my God. Thank you for coming. You're the man. Like, what do we do without you?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And so I was going, bro. I was going. And recently I've been on a. A health kick, so my fingers have been getting a little thinner.

[Josh]

Skin text.

[Sebas]

And anyways, I always wear my cemetery ring on my right. On my right hand. So I had my cemetery ring with the pedazo de tortilla. And I remember it was just like, slow motion. Maybe you can put some slow motion sound effects.

[Josh]

You saw it.

[Sebas]

I saw it. Everybody saw it.

[Josh]

Wow. So you noticed it leave your fingers?

[Sebas]

Oh, it was like a perfect spiral leaving out. I think it actually, like, sprouted arms and was like this.

[Josh]

I'm out. I'm out this hoe.

[Sebas]

I like when Jessica laughs. It makes me feel like I'm actually funny.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

So it leaves, bro. And just spiraling. And like, I felt like one of the. The verts was like, damn, is that food? Nah. And it. It kind of dodged it. And it took the tortilla.

[Josh]

Dodge the chrome hearts.

[Sebas]

Dodge the chrome heart string. And then, like, everybody was like, I can. I can hear everybody in the back. Like, right? Yeah, Just. Just a gasp of air. A gasp. For.

[Josh]

This is the longest story just to tell us that you lost your ring in the ocean.

[Sebas]

And all you hear, I'm telling you, the boat. Yeah, whatever. The engine is roaring. The waves are. Are collapsing on each other. The air is. But you can hear it go.

[Josh]

So it's gone.

[Sebas]

And like, there's like, I. For a millisecond, I was like. I was infuriated, bro. A millisecond. Like, I can't believe it. My cemetery ring.

[Josh]

Love that ring.

[Sebas]

I've had it for years. So many compliments. That is me. I am the cemetery ring. And then a millisecond later, there's nothing I can do. I Donated it to the ocean. The Pacific, to be specific. And that's it, bro. And I lost it. I lost it for life. And what am I gonna do? Go over there, try to find it? Nothing. There's. It was one of those things in life that there is nothing, absolutely nothing you can do.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And that's it, bro. And all I can do is. You know what, What a great story. That was so cool. Right? Right before that, I was fee. I was feeding the seagulls. And what a story that we can tell, right?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And that's it. But like now, like, like, like actually like living through it and, and just like not having it no more. And I've been looking too. And one of the homies used to work for Chrome Hearts and whatever department. He hooked it up. And I ain't gonna lie, it was like $900, bro. I. I paid that and I took care of it with joy. And now they're like 3,000. I found out. I'm not gonna. It hurts me because I want it, but I can't. I don't know if there's. There's some things that I. That I'll pay for, but for a ring that's $3,000 only because it's hyped up and it doesn't parts. It's like I can't. I can't see myself. I'd rather buy a 9600 Civic. Si.

[Josh]

Honestly, bro, I. I have a similar story. I don't know if you know that I lost my. My Cartier love ring.

[Sebas]

Oh, my God.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You just.

[Josh]

Situation. Yeah. And it. I won't bore you with a 45 minute story like you just did, but

[Sebas]

give me some credit. That was a great story I just told you.

[Josh]

Um, I. I got. I bought in Vegas. I bought Mo and I Cartier love rings.

[Sebas]

I didn't know this.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I decided to bedazzle them, if you will, but, you know, with actual diamonds. I hit up Art jeweler and I was like, yo, can we add some diamonds on it? Because like, the price difference is insane. If you ever have Cartier and you want to get them like diamond out, do it through a jeweler versus actually buying the Cartier.

[Sebas]

And it's the same thing.

[Josh]

It's the same. It's the same. Did you ever hear that guy talking about how lab made diamonds? He's like, they're asking him about lab made diamonds and real diamonds. And then he's like saying he's given the example of like how ice is made. Like how ice Is made on a snowy place. Like if you. It's cold outside and it forms ice on your driveway.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Is. That's real ice, right?

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

But the ice that your refrigerator makes is also real.

[Sebas]

Real ice. Yeah.

[Josh]

So it's essentially saying these.

[Sebas]

Like this whole argument with like lab made versus real.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah. Anyway, it's. So I was at an event for Dioro and you know how he has like a signature thing where he's like throwing roses? Do you know that he does it like at concerts?

[Sebas]

Yeah, of course. Roses in my. In my truck.

[Josh]

It's a really cool thing that he does. I know. Like Steve Aoki does like Steve Yoki. See by Yoki. He does like Aoki, bro. And he's like the Tom Brady of cake throwing. Like, this man will pull out anybody

[Sebas]

from the same crowd.

[Josh]

It'll be like a baby boom straight to the face.

[Sebas]

I haven't seen the baby one. I would love to see.

[Josh]

There's a baby. No, there's no baby one. I don't wanna. Because I want Steve on our podcast. And he'd be like, you. You said I threw cake at a baby. Now I don't want to be in your podcast. You know, so. So Dioro has his signature thing where he throws out these like, light up roses. I was there. He called me up, he's like, girl, help me throw some of these flowers. And I was like, bro, I got you ready? Blue 42, blue 42.

[Sebas]

Hit. Hike.

[Josh]

I'm. I'm launching on my boy, like, perfect aim, bro. Like, people are like, amazed, bro. I'm getting people going like, touchdown. It's insane. And then at one point, I just look at my hands and my ring is gone.

[Sebas]

You didn't feel it?

[Josh]

Didn't even feel it. That's why I was asking, like, you actually saw it. I didn't see it.

[Sebas]

I saw it, bro.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Remember? Yeah.

[Josh]

Deuces.

[Sebas]

Yeah, bro.

[Josh]

That's such a heartbreak feeling.

[Sebas]

It is, man. Cuz like, look at my hand, bro.

[Josh]

And you know what's funny?

[Sebas]

All it like, my hand. Did you know that our hand is bisexual?

[Josh]

Why?

[Sebas]

Because we love women.

[Josh]

Uhhuh.

[Sebas]

But you also jerk off, so your hand is bisexual. Hmm. Okay.

[Josh]

I'm not mad at that. I'm not mad at that. I mean, hey, the facts are facts.

[Sebas]

It doesn't care.

[Josh]

The facts are facts. What was your.

[Sebas]

Just likes to get pleased, bro.

[Josh]

For my moment was a little bit different. I didn't get like, bothered at all in the moment. Like I told Mo, I went. She was the first person I saw, I was like, babe, I just threw my cardio like that. Like, I was like, I just threw it when I was throwing the flowers, and she was like, like, babe, what the heck? Like, really? It's gone. I'm, like, gone, Gone.

[Sebas]

But there's a. There's a little bit of reason to get pissed.

[Josh]

No.

[Sebas]

Because it's in a sea of human beings. Yeah. And then, like, you can kind of find it if you wanted to.

[Josh]

No, it was a pool party, so there was like, a pool in the middle, and there's, like, people were around. Maybe. I'm not trying to. Like, maybe.

[Sebas]

Maybe.

[Josh]

But it would have been too much, bro. It would have been too much.

[Sebas]

You just got it.

[Josh]

And then we got back to the hotel, and then it kind of hit me. I was like, I lost my.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Sucks, man. Especially when they're, like, pieces that you actually take care of. Yeah, man, I take care of that. I. I would take care of that ring. I don't care if I was going to the gym, if I was going to go visit my parents, if I was going to go eat torta sogadas, if I was going to the club.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

If I was gonna get married, I'm wearing that ring, and I don't have it no more. And I don't know whether to hit up a jeweler to mimic me one.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Or.

[Sebas]

Honestly, and I hate to say it, because I am somebody who doesn't do this, but, like, buy a replica, because there's no way I'm spending 30k for a silver ring, bro.

[Josh]

I'm gonna tell you this. I. I'm behind the movement of replicas. You know what I mean? Like, if you want something and you don't want to pay all this crazy, if you can get a replica.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, even the Cartier ring, like, I've. I've thought about the same thing. I'm like, well, I might as well just. You know what I mean? Get one.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Josh]

You know.

[Sebas]

Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

[Josh]

If I really like that style of

[Sebas]

it, if chrome hearts created a certain material that no one in the world had. Has.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Then it's different, right? Yeah. But anybody has silver, and anybody can make that design. If. Does my receipt say from chrome hearts? No, but, like, for silver, I can. I'll wear a replica if it's silver.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Pistachio? No, thank you.

[Josh]

You know what's funny, bro? I. I didn't get to finish this part. And I just remember, too, I think the reason it hurt me more when I got to the hotel was. Because I really thought about everything, and I. It was matching love rings that I got with Mo on top of that. And then when we got them, like, we put diamonds on them. Like, I did that for her, for us, you know what I mean? Together. And they're. It's gone. So. Dioro, if you're listening, you son of. Aish. You owe me.

[Sebas]

You owe me.

[Josh]

You owe me. Yeah, man.

[Sebas]

Yeah. At least we can get him back. And it's not that crazy, but. Damn, it just hurts, man.

[Josh]

Yeah. Switching gears real quick, Jess had pulled up some comments from the previous podcast that we did when we got a little deep.

[Sebas]

I love talking like that, bro.

[Josh]

Yeah. I love getting deep.

[Jessica]

Were.

[Sebas]

Were some of the comments like, seas, you are so freaking stupid, or was like, hey, you kind of have a point? No. Okay.

[Josh]

I don't know.

[Jessica]

You know, a lot of people are really happy that you guys were talking about religion and God, and I feel like it's a topic that most people tend to avoid.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And you guys were kind of just asking questions that a lot of people have. So I feel like it was a really refreshing take on. We want to understand this better.

[Sebas]

I don't.

[Jessica]

I don't get it. Like, what does this mean? You know? And then combining science and religion is always, like, yeah, kind of tough. I saw somebody drop in a comment that said that when they were in school, they would have to get their permissions to sign by their parents because they were going to talk about evolution in class. And that goes against, like, Christian, Catholic religions. And so they need to get specific permission.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

That's crazy.

[Josh]

Yeah. I. Yeah. Dang. That's interesting. That's interesting. I think with, like, religion and stuff, it's tricky because as much as people. There's people out there that feel like they have all the answers, bro. Nobody has the answers. So I think, like, people asking questions. You're a believer, right? Like, you believe in God, of course. And you. Those questions you were asking, like, those are real questions that people have. Even you, as a believer who have faith, you were like, but how does that work? And then this. And then. But this doesn't really make sense here. I think that's fair. And I think a lot of people are almost kind of like, avoid asking those questions. Like, if you're a believer, you don't ask. You just have faith. But it's like, no, but I. I'm so curious, you know, And I still want to understand.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

You know, there was. And I don't get it.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And that's fine.

[Sebas]

Yeah, bro.

[Josh]

Just like, we don't get the universe. It is so grand and it is so massive, and there's so many components. Components and elements. Now take that. And God is bigger than that. How are we supposed to get it, bro? You're not supposed to.

[Sebas]

We're not supposed to get it.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And I guess that's the beauty of our lives now. You know, It's a. It's a wonder. I saw a comment that was really happy that we were talking about this, and it kind of stood out to me because I was like, huh. But I did see a comment. I think it was, like, a highlighted comment or, like, a top comment, and it says something. I'm so glad you guys are talking about this, because I feel like a lot of people who are caught up in, like, the social media or, like, doing things, like, they get lost in the sauce. Right. So I guess they were happy that we were talking about this because it made us feel human or normal. But I was like, what? I'm, like, not above anything or we are not above anything to make us not think that way. You know what I mean?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Like, we always think that way. I do.

[Josh]

Yeah. I think if you're detached from that, you're really missing the point of life.

[Sebas]

And that's why I was, like. I agreed on, like, touching base on this again, because, like, I want people to understand that we. That we love talking about this.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You know?

[Josh]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Sebas]

So let's do it, dude.

[Josh]

Let's do it, man.

[Jessica]

I selected some comments that some of them don't. They don't all have to do with, like, religion specifically, but we did ask, like, what are some of the things that keep you up at night?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Oh, you did?

[Josh]

That was a good question.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

And so, Carmenita, what's up? Garminita said, now that we're on the topic of everything is connected, which you brought up, Josh, I must share. I've been watching La Platica since the old studio days, and sometimes I've had the experience where I'll be going through something in life, and it just so happens to be that it's a topic on the show, or either Sebas or Josh will say something that has something to do with what I'm going through. This was such a great reminder that God is so much more bigger than what our dreams may see or what our problems may seem.

[Josh]

I'm sorry. Oh, my God.

[Sebas]

Wow. That's crazy.

[Josh]

Yeah. And I think that is, like, God's way of, like, winking at us. Right. Like, we're all in this together, and we're all experiencing this, like, thing called life. And the pains that you have felt, there's many people that walk this earth that are experiencing it or have felt it. You know, you're not experiencing these things, like, alone or the only one.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Because clearly, if she's feeling that we're talking about the same topic, it's because Josh and myself or anybody around us is experiencing the same thing. You are.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Right. And so therefore, we talk about it, whether it be we're experiencing it now or we did in the past or we're about to in the future. It's. It's a good reminder that we're all going through something, you know, so don't ever feel. If you're like, you, why is this happening to me, Me, me, me? You know, everybody has gone through something very similar or is going through it.

[Josh]

And just to add to that, just how she, you know, was able to relate to an episode or something that she heard because she was going through it. I think that's a testament to us and even to encourage her that if you're going through something to feel confident and to speak about it.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Because you never know who's going to impact and who's going to really relate to it and be like, man, I kind of need to hear that. I didn't.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

You know, I just like to know that I'm not the only one going through this. Or maybe you. They. There's, like, a little nugget in there that they can, like, pull from, and, like, it helps. It helps them. You know what I mean? Like, it's. You never know. Yeah. So I think that also is encouraging for me because I'm like, okay, maybe I need to be a little more vulnerable because, like, I can help somebody.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Potentially not even help, but, like, just show that yo. I'm.

[Sebas]

It makes a difference.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Like, Jessica was reading, Right. I was like, oh, wow, that's awesome. You know, this is. I guess these are things that even me and you, or maybe anybody else in this room can think about and be like, oh, I didn't think we do stuff like that to people. You know what I mean? But I think. And I think we've talked about it before, talking and being vulnerable with topics that we tend to not speak about is a muscle that we can activate and practice.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You know, practice to speak, practice to be vulnerable. It's a muscle that sometimes we don't use.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And we should. Being vulnerable with your mom being vulnerable, with your brother, your sister, a friend, even acquaintances, you know what I mean? Because you really, you really can impact something. And I feel like the more humans that impact more humans, that's when there's change in the world.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The effort of humility, like you have to put in that effort to, you know, to. To be vulnerable.

[Sebas]

Yeah. You know, but that's awesome. I love hearing that, that some, some of the topics that we talk about really hit you in a certain way and that's really cool. It makes me. Yeah, like Josh said, just speak more about stuff like that and not be such a jackass.

[Josh]

Yes, I was.

[Jessica]

This one is, I'm just gonna say anonymous because I don't know what keeps me up. I always get frustrated thinking about the veil that's between us and the deceased. When my dad passed away, my mind shifted. I knew what death was. But in that moment, I kept asking, where is he? His body was now to be disposed of. How did he just turn off? How did he disappear? Thinking about that switch is a gut punch. I know they're around. I feel like there's an invisible barrier around us and I have to figure out how to break it and be able to communicate with him while we are in different places. I know they can see us, but it feels like a crazy movie where we're being watched, but it's not a two way street. Is he next to me right now? I can't even acknowledge him because I don't know how to connect. I can't breathe thinking about this.

[Sebas]

Wow, that's. That's definitely something that a lot of people think about. I think I. I would be thinking the same thing if, if my father, my mother passed away. I think the beauty of being a human and being so intelligent and our beliefs that we've always grown up to have, or we still obviously have it or even gotten a lot greater at. I think it's whatever we want to make it right. If I want my dad to be with me the whole time, he'll be with me the whole time. If I need him in certain occasions, I can have him there. Yeah, I don't know. That's crazy though. It's like.

[Josh]

Yeah, it's one of those things that we were talking about earlier. Like we don't have all the answers, you know, and grief is like a real thing. First of all, I'm really sorry about your loss and losing your dad. I can only imagine how hard that is. And I think these feelings and these questions and all this is, like, totally normal. And I think. I think it's fair for you to ask these questions. You know what I mean? And I like what you were saying. Like, whatever you feel is right, you know? And I think that if you feel like your dad is connected to you and he is watching you, that is what is. And don't let anybody tell you otherwise. You know what I mean? And it's crazy, bro. We forget that we're, like, literally just, like, these, like, meat bags or we're just vessels, you know? And there's, like. There's, like, there's something in us that's on. I like when she said that, like, and something just turned off, and then we're just the body. And then that body, like, becomes one with the earth, right? Like, it decomposes, and, like, there's all these, like, crazy things that happen.

[Sebas]

I definitely think that, like, the voice in our head is. Is. Is truly who we are as a spirit. Right? But it might not necessarily be who you look at. Right?

[Josh]

So if you see in a mirror.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Or what you see me, you know, tall, dark, handsome. But what's in my mind has probably lived for 165 million years like a dinosaurs. But I feel like if you speak, I, I. This is something that I, I believe in, is that I feel like if you. You talk on inside your mind and you speak to somebody or, like, like the power of prayer, I think that you can communicate with somebody.

[Josh]

Absolutely.

[Sebas]

Maybe they can't, or you can't hear anything, you know, or whatever you want to believe. You know what I mean? Like, if that makes it seem kind of crazy, whatever. But.

[Josh]

No, I like that. It's almost like we were talking about earlier how that girl was like, I. I heard you guys talking about something that I'm going through, and I always said, like, maybe that's, like, God's way of, like, winking, like, yo, I got you. Like, you know, and maybe there's signs along the way that when she. I'm assuming, where they're looking for their father, right? Or trying to see, like, signs, and they see something that reminds them, maybe that is them trying to communicate, you know, and send them a little signal, like, hey, I'm here. I'm watching you.

[Sebas]

It's little things. You might not physically or I, I don't know, mentally maybe, like, hear or listen, but if you can feel that he or she's speaking to you or trying to communicate with you, you know, I think you can. Those little things where it's like, I don't know if you think about something and then you see the cloud or you see something that reminds you of something, but you're like, ah, what a coincidence. Right? That's just because I want to think about that. Right. But at the same time it's like, yeah, but you are thinking about that, so what difference does it make? Does that make any sense?

[Josh]

Yeah, I think it's a Kung Fu Panda that the hurdle is like, there are no coincidences.

[Sebas]

Yeah. There I, I, I am a true believer. There isn't any coincidence. Like, if it happened to you, it's because it happened to you. And I believe that whatever energy you attract and think about and like, I don't know, just whatever you put your mind to, right. It's tends to somewhat happen, even maybe if it's not in that perfect direction that you thought, but you putting your mind into that something happened. Right. Something that came across your life, it's because you put it there. Yeah, I, I, I definitely believe that some sort of whe, whether, you know, you want to be in this career and you put your energy towards it and, and it'll happen. It's the same formula for coincidences or, you know, oh, you know, if your dad passed away and you're thinking about something and you want an answer, and maybe you're talking to him inside your mind, you're kind of like, you know, and then you see something, you're like, I can't be it. You know what I mean? Because, like, that's just what I want to see. But that's because you do want to see that and it happened to you.

[Josh]

Yeah, man, that's deep, people. I mean, this is crazy. This is. That would keep me up at night for sure.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I think thinking back to the conversation that we had with AJ Barrera when he was on the show.

[Sebas]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica]

Those things are definitely not coincident coincidences. If it's significant to you, like, that means that that's your person trying to communicate to you and letting them, and

[Sebas]

that's all that matters. That if it's significant to you.

[Jessica]

Exactly.

[Josh]

I like that.

[Jessica]

From Yaselin. Hi. Mexican Muslim revert. Here in Islam, we believe that before humans, God created gin. Beings made from smokeless fire like us. They have free will. And when some people, and when some became corrupt, God sent angels to deal with them. Jinn still exists today. And what people often think are ghosts are actually gin.

[Sebas]

Whoa.

[Jessica]

Thank you for making Mondays not suck.

[Sebas]

First of all, thank you for your support, Yasmin. Wow. Mexican Muslim thank you for sharing this.

[Josh]

I had never. This is the first time I ever heard of gin. Yeah, really interesting.

[Sebas]

Me personally. Oh, sorry, Josh. No, go ahead. Yeah, me personally. Every time. Like, you know, like sometimes like, like, because I've been around people that, like, if you're Muslim or if you're a Hindu or if you're. I don't know, whatever. There's always things that they believe in that might seem so extreme. And then they're like, what the. Like these people are like, like, I guess crazy or like, like. What's the word I'm looking for? I don't know. But to me, when I listen to this kind of stuff, like the whole gin and. And they're made from smokeless fire. I think it's so cool. Even though, like say like, I don't believe in it, but like, that's sick.

[Josh]

But then it goes back to what we were talking about earlier. Like, who knows?

[Sebas]

That's what I'm saying.

[Josh]

Like, who's to say we're wrong or they're wrong or we're right? It does. Who knows?

[Sebas]

Yeah, I. I don't know. But like, I put myself in like, dude. Cuz like every religion has so many different beliefs, right? I always put myself in a position where it's like, if I hear a certain type of religion that like believes in like these smokeless fire beings, I'm always like, damn, imagine if they're right, you know, like, how cool is that? You know? But like I always. I believe that life is a big ass game of telephone, you know? Because everything had to be rooted from just one source at the very beginning. And then it just kind of spread into just whatever people wanted to say. Right? Doesn't that make any sense or am I tripping?

[Josh]

No, it does, it does. I think it's interesting because like, she's talking about this like, world that's like happening around us currently. Even like the whole gin thing. And like angels are like, what is that? It's like the spiritual world that's like happening around us, you know, that's kind of like what. What Jin is. She's saying like Jin still exists today. And people think that they're ghosts, but it's actually jinn. It's like this other spiritual realm that's here. It's kind of crazy.

[Sebas]

Like jinns are actual.

[Josh]

Well, they're created by God that have. According to this. I don't want to. I don't know. This is my first time hearing about this. But they have free will. But if they're bad. Like, ain't. He also sends angels to, like, help

[Sebas]

them to kick their ass.

[Josh]

Pretty much.

[Sebas]

That's what it is. And when someone's become crow, God sends angels to deal with them.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Do you think God has, like. Like, like top flight angels? Like security guard angels?

[Josh]

Absolutely.

[Sebas]

Because they all can't be the same, right? Or are they?

[Josh]

No.

[Jessica]

Or. Or.

[Sebas]

Or knowing God, he probably made all angels equal, like, super badass.

[Josh]

Yeah. Like Megatrons, but with free will.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So they could utilize it how they want. Yeah.

[Sebas]

Do you think they're buff?

[Josh]

Hell, yeah.

[Sebas]

Right? You have to. Yeah.

[Josh]

Are you looking at how buff angels look, Jess?

[Jessica]

No, I'm naturally buff, actually. I'm looking at the difference between archangels and angels. Right. Because there's like.

[Josh]

Oh, there's rankings.

[Jessica]

There is. Archangels are higher ranking, more powerful order of angels acting as chief messengers or commanders compared to the general class of angels.

[Sebas]

Oh, so there is levels. Tears to this.

[Jessica]

Because there's archangel.

[Sebas]

So regular angels can climb their way up to be archangels. I'm. I'm well assuming.

[Josh]

Wasn't Lucifer an archangel? And then he rebelled against God and then he did his own thing. His own thing being now I'm gonna do my own thing.

[Sebas]

I'm gonna do my own thing. I don't need that much.

[Jessica]

Yeah, he was.

[Josh]

He was an archangel. Holy smokes. I wish I was, like, up there when Lucifer was like. Rebellion. Bro, what are you doing? We gotta sound good up here. Bro, what are you doing?

[Sebas]

What do you say we have cookies?

[Josh]

We got cookies.

[Sebas]

And.

[Josh]

Are you messing it up for the rest of us?

[Sebas]

Yeah. That's crazy, man. Damn.

[Jessica]

Because I think it was an archangel that came to visit Mary and told her.

[Josh]

Yeah. About.

[Sebas]

You're gonna have a baby.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And that baby's about to change the world.

[Jessica]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure it's been a very long time since my religious studies, y'.

[Josh]

All.

[Sebas]

Oh, same here. Same here.

[Josh]

Yeah. I don't know.

[Sebas]

So la Virgen de the Guadalupe. That's Jesus Christ, Mom.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Yes. But she knew that Jesus Christ came from God.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Because angels came down to tell her.

[Sebas]

Tell her. So she faked it the whole time saying, this is my son.

[Josh]

What do you mean? No, she didn't think she got pregnant, but she was. She came up. She was. She never had sex. They inseminated.

[Jessica]

It was the immaculate conception.

[Sebas]

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. So, like, she had to have sex. You just. I'm pregnant by God.

[Josh]

Yes.

[Sebas]

Damn. Imagine being printed by God?

[Josh]

Yes.

[Sebas]

Like the chosen one.

[Josh]

Yes. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Sebas]

Okay, so she knew.

[Josh]

She knew.

[Sebas]

Got it.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah, she knew.

[Sebas]

So, like, somebody came down, like, yo,

[Josh]

you're the chosen one.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

You're gonna carry Jesus Christ. He's gonna, you know, change this.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Whole thing.

[Sebas]

His name's Jesus Christ. Is that cool with you? Because, like, normally moms pick the name.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

But name is already chosen.

[Josh]

That's a really good question. I don't think his name was Jesus Christ, Right? I think his name was, like, Jesus. He had.

[Sebas]

From. From Nazareth.

[Josh]

No, but he had a different last name. Jesus Christ is what we, like, called him. Because Christ. He's Christ.

[Jessica]

His native Hebrew, Aramaic language was Yeshua.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah.

[Jessica]

So, like, Joshua or.

[Sebas]

Dang. That sounds like your name, fool. Joshua Christ, bro.

[Josh]

Did he have a last name?

[Sebas]

Wait, what's your mom's name?

[Josh]

Mary.

[Sebas]

Oh, my God.

[Josh]

That's kind of trippy. Her name is Mari.

[Sebas]

What's your mission?

[Guest]

To bring health. What's your mission? To bring health.

[Sebas]

Oh, yeah.

[Josh]

Dude, don't do that. That's weird.

[Guest]

Jesus Christ.

[Sebas]

You might be Holy son.

[Josh]

That's kind of crazy, though.

[Guest]

Levitating.

[Sebas]

You should stop, like, cussing. And you're like it up, like, you should stop cussing. You're like it up for yourself.

[Jessica]

And was it your nickname the King

[Sebas]

when you were born?

[Jessica]

Scary.

[Sebas]

Oh, bro, that's scary, man.

[Jessica]

Allegedly. Allegedly.

[Josh]

Allegedly.

[Sebas]

The king saying that. It's crazy, though. But. Yeah. I mean.

[Josh]

Yeah. Did he have last name, though?

[Jessica]

No.

[Josh]

No. Nothing that's like. No.

[Jessica]

He was commonly referred to as Yeshua Bar Yosef, which means son of.

[Josh]

Oh. That's how they would do it back then, huh?

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And then Christ came from him being named the Messiah. Yeah.

[Jessica]

Correct.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yes.

[Sebas]

And Nazareth is where he's from. Is where he's from. Which is now what, Jerusalem?

[Josh]

Yes. That sounds right. But I have no idea.

[Sebas]

Nazareth. Why they changed that name. That's a sick spot.

[Josh]

Badass name.

[Sebas]

Oh, yeah. I'm trying.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Delta 1 to Nazareth.

[Josh]

Yeah. That's sick.

[Jessica]

It is in northern Israel.

[Josh]

Whoa.

[Jessica]

Nazareth.

[Josh]

Well, you know what's crazy is that you can go to where he got baptized, roamed around, like, everything. You can go visit it.

[Jessica]

That's part of why there's always so much conflict in that area, is all of these religions kind of. Yes. And then claiming the Holy Land as

[Sebas]

their own, isn't that crazy? And that's why like, sometimes, like, a lot of war happens and a lot of conflict right there. Because they want to Claim. They want to claim Jesus. Like, I am the Almighty, we are the Almighty. Even, like, I truly believe. Sometimes they even create war because they want to be the almighty race. Oh, Jesus is us. You know what I mean? Or like, this is like. I don't know. Yeah, but that's crazy. So.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's heavy. Yeah.

[Sebas]

And I guess. Do you think when the Virgin Mary was just like a little girl, she lived a normal life, right?

[Josh]

Yeah. She was pure, though. That's why she was like, selected. She was like a. Yeah. The purest of the pure is of the pure.

[Sebas]

Yeah. And a lot of religions, especially Catholics, they. They obviously a lot of religions praise the Virgin Mary, but Catholics really pray.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Right.

[Josh]

They do.

[Sebas]

And. And like, I don't know, like I said, another stupid question from sales. But, like, Christianity doesn't really preach her that much, right?

[Josh]

No.

[Sebas]

Is that a stupid question?

[Josh]

No, they don't. You're absolutely right. Like, I know Catholics, like, pray to her, right?

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

I don't believe Christians do that. Non denominational Christians.

[Sebas]

I have no idea what that is. Yeah, there's Christians, there's different. Non denominational. Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, there's like, there's different types of Christians, bro. There's like Saint Baptist.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Lutheran. And then there's non denominational, where they're just like. We don't. We're. We're. We just follow the Bible.

[Sebas]

Okay.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Tight.

[Josh]

It's so complicated.

[Sebas]

What religion. Yeah, I know.

[Josh]

Like, they're all following the Bible, but they all like, categorize as different. Like gangs. You know what I mean? Well, it's what it is.

[Sebas]

That's what it is.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

I. I know some people might not like us saying that, but that's what it is.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And it's a big telephone game, bro.

[Josh]

You know what's crazy? It's like I. I read one thing and I interpret it one way and then you interpret another way. We're reading thing.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

And because we can't agree that what? No middle grounds. Like, then you're gonna do your own thing. I'm gonna do my own thing because this is what it means. And you're saying it means something different,

[Sebas]

which is kind of the beautiful thing about it is humanity, is that it's

[Josh]

also kind of trippy, bro.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And it also kind of wants you, like, what's the real truth?

[Guest]

You know what keeps me up at night?

[Josh]

Oh, here we go.

[Guest]

So you know how, like, back in the day, like, Native Americans and like the people from a long time ago, they had their own Religion. They had their own God.

[Sebas]

They had all that stuff.

[Josh]

Yeah, yeah.

[Guest]

Then Spaniards come and they're like, no, this is God.

[Josh]

They push Christianity.

[Guest]

I was like, this is it. So now everything they grew up on, they was like, oh, this is not true. So now imagine if aliens come and they're like, oh, you know, all that stuff you guys are worshiping.

[Sebas]

Wrong.

[Josh]

Not true.

[Guest]

This is it. Like, how trippy would that be? That keeps me up.

[Sebas]

That super trippy. I would consider. Yeah. What they say. Yeah, yeah.

[Guest]

Because they're like higher beings. So I feel like that's what happened.

[Sebas]

So who knows? Knows.

[Josh]

That's a really interesting point. Like, yeah, what if they come down, they're like, this is all a simulation. It's not even real.

[Sebas]

That's another possibility.

[Josh]

Yeah, but that is crazy, bro. That's what they did. They literally just came and wiped out their whole bro beliefs and everything.

[Sebas]

The universe is infinite and so vast and massive. I don't even think saying massive makes it massive. It's just never ending. So I feel like there's. I like, have you seen Fantastic Four? What's that guy's name?

[Guest]

Was it the.

[Sebas]

With the cry, the big ass?

[Guest]

Was it cranos or.

[Sebas]

No, not cranos. Anyways, that guy, he's literally the size of Earth. Or like, that's what they portrayed. But like I said, that's a possibility. Can be Earth, can be an atom compared to somebody else. Does that make any sense? You know what I mean? Like when we look in a microscope and we see these cells that are. Oh, my God, you can't even see it because you need a microscope.

[Josh]

Right, Right, Yeah.

[Sebas]

How do you not know someone's microscoping our ass and we are the cell.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Guest]

Like ants. Ants don't know we exist.

[Sebas]

They have to, bro. We're.

[Guest]

They're. They're not that. Like, they don't.

[Josh]

Intelligent. They don't. They don't understand.

[Guest]

Yeah, they don't understand. They don't. They don't know we exist.

[Sebas]

But they're so smart, though.

[Josh]

Yeah. Amongst themselves.

[Sebas]

Amongst. I guess, for an insect.

[Josh]

But we're smart too. And we don't know what's going on outside.

[Sebas]

Yeah, but that's what I'm saying. It's so massive that, like, how do you not know that? Like, someone's looking at us in a microscope and the universe is just a little cell compared to what it is, and then someone's looking at their ass in a microscope too. It can be that way.

[Josh]

Yeah, that's crazy.

[Sebas]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like, man, I just live my life super posted. Chilling. Like, not worried about a damn thing. I'm just a cell, bro. Yeah, we're a speck. Not even of dust. I wish I was that big.

[Jessica]

All right, this next one, kind of along the same vein. A recent conspiracy theory I've been reading about is Tartaria. A theory that claims there was once a highly advanced worldwide civilization called Tartaria that has been erased from mainstream history.

[Sebas]

I bet.

[Jessica]

Supporters believe evidence of this lost empire can be found in old maps, unusual architecture, and large buildings. They and large buildings they think couldn't have been built with the technology officially recorded at the time. They argue that a major event, someone sometimes described as a mud flood or historical cover up, wiped out this civilization and that governments have hidden the truth.

[Josh]

What would be the purpose for the government hiding this? I guess just. I don't. You know what I mean? I always kind of want like specific things like that.

[Sebas]

Like, why hide this well when you.

[Josh]

Is it control? Is it fear?

[Jessica]

Control?

[Sebas]

Yeah, I. I don't. You ever wonder, like, since we were little kids, they always say the government.

[Josh]

Yeah, the government.

[Sebas]

The government. What is it? What comes in your mind when you say the government?

[Josh]

Just like a.

[Sebas]

Like who?

[Josh]

It's like a bunch of old white men.

[Sebas]

That's what we think. Right, right.

[Josh]

Just kind of.

[Sebas]

But like, have we ever seen the government? I mean, okay, stupid question. Yes, we have. But like, oh, the government. Right. But what about if it was like a secret group?

[Josh]

That's the government.

[Sebas]

Yeah, but like, like, they want you to think that that's the white fools, that they're over there. City council, Chamber of what?

[Josh]

Commerce?

[Sebas]

Yeah, those fools. Those fools aren't even government. Huh? But like, what about if that none

[Josh]

of you fools even government, huh? None of you fools government, like, fool.

[Sebas]

Why y' all here? What do you guys do? I'm just kidding, cuz. There's five people that like our government work at chamber of commerce. Good people out there shout out to the local chamber of commerce, bro.

[Josh]

So we, we talk about our civilization, like where we're at now. Like, we're so advanced. We have the Internet, we have flying planes, we have satellites. But like, for me to think that, like, this is the highest we've ever gone in civilization for as long as the earth has lived. I'm like, maybe not. And honestly, probably not.

[Sebas]

No.

[Josh]

You know what I mean?

[Sebas]

There's no way. Like, there can't be.

[Josh]

Nobody else invented the Internet before or Crazier than that.

[Sebas]

Crazier than that.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

They're barely giving us. They're. We're like the iPad kids, bro. Like here, iPad, that's our Internet. Yeah. Here, you guys can deal with that. I truly believe that there is a group or, I don't know, a secret world out there, that we're just puppets.

[Josh]

Because everything that we have on Earth now that helped us create whatever this technology is, was been around, bro. It's been around since forever.

[Sebas]

Like the energy that we use or whatever. Yeah.

[Josh]

You know what I mean? Like, it's all been here.

[Sebas]

Solar, radars, everything has been here. Yeah. You know, electricity, like that, like, you know, fiber optics, all the tools that

[Josh]

it takes to build just to make it simple. WI fi.

[Sebas]

Sure, that's here. Yeah.

[Josh]

So, yeah. Yeah.

[Sebas]

I mean we talk about how like humans from have been around since 300, 000 years, right? And we. We're in 2026 because that's when they gave Jesus to Guadalupe. Take care of this food dog. You going to do big things, homie.

[Josh]

He's going to do some. Yeah.

[Sebas]

Sometimes I feel bad when I talk like that cuz I make it kind of like humorous.

[Josh]

Me too. I'm.

[Sebas]

That's true. But I don't care. You know why? Because truly I believe that God and Jesus Christ of humor. I have sense of humor and I. And I have a very great heart. And they know that. Like when I meet him up, oh my God, it's going to be a crazy dab. Like, bro, I'mma dap them. And that's when the wings sprout. That'll be sick, huh? Imagine. Yeah, like, because I know, because like a lot of like even mama, like, and I'm like, mom, like, like amazing. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, there's some things that like, you shouldn't say that you should actually. Of course, like, I, like, I. I know some people that say like, oh my effing God.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And I sometimes say like, you shouldn't say that. I feel like that's kind of like a lot and. But we all say it and it can slip, right? Because it's like a huge expression that we make. But like, things like that I try not to say. But when I speak about like oh, the Virgin Mary and this and that, like, I believe and I don't even have to explain to you, right? I'm just, I guess, explaining to you, but you know what I mean, right? Like, I don't care because I know

[Josh]

that your heart is pure.

[Sebas]

My heart you mean. You mean well, and Jesus Christ knows that. And God.

[Josh]

God, and you know that he's a Virgin Mary. Yeah.

[Sebas]

Yep. And the gin.

[Josh]

This is crazy. I. Look, I. I think this is. I want to know more about this.

[Sebas]

Me too.

[Josh]

I'm intrigued.

[Sebas]

Yo, I love this kind of. This is like my favorite type of.

[Josh]

Me too.

[Sebas]

Because I don't feel like it's either evil nor good. It's just so interesting to me. And as we talked about last time, we've only been here for 300, 000 years. Right. And. And when those 300, 000 years started, that doesn't mean the dinosaurs ended.

[Josh]

What.

[Sebas]

What happened in that gap?

[Josh]

Yeah, right. Yeah.

[Sebas]

Like, I get it, like, happened like we were more like Neanderthal vibes and, like. But, like, there's still more before that, before that, before that, or how, like, they speak about, like, the Towers of Giza, and there's no way that they were able to make that. But, like, I also feel like now with social media, like, we can make any story, like, just kind of true.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You know, so I don't know, but I believe. I believe that all that stuff there's. There. There's no reason why not to believe it.

[Josh]

What's the thing in Star wars where they say in. In a place like in the future, far, far away, but it's like. It was like the past, but it's in the future. Kind of trips me out. Yeah, it's like a civilization that was way ahead of us.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Back then.

[Sebas]

Okay, well, have you seen Begonia? The movie Begonia? I think everybody should watch it right now. There's a movie called Begonia, and I don't really want to explain it too much because then I ruin it, but it was about a civilization before the humans that we see nowadays, and they look just alike. They were just so much more intelligent than us. But something along the lines happened where they kind of had to remake everything and they still failed. Oh, yeah, you gotta watch Begonia.

[Josh]

It's good.

[Sebas]

It's with Emma Stone. And then that one guy that always plays like a creepy dude, but I love him because he's a good actor. There's a guy that one of the actors. Can you pull up Begonia real quick just so you can see that guy? You know who he is?

[Josh]

He's a white guy.

[Sebas]

Yeah, he was. He's like black mirror a lot.

[Josh]

I think I know who you're talking about.

[Sebas]

He always has, like, long hair, that guy.

[Jessica]

Oh, this guy.

[Sebas]

Jesse Plemis.

[Josh]

Oh, yeah, bro.

[Sebas]

Please watch Begonia.

[Josh]

This guy's brilliant.

[Sebas]

Bogonia. Begonia. And it's with Emma Stone and she plays really good.

[Josh]

Can you show it to me, Bonia?

[Sebas]

Begonia.

[Jessica]

Begonia.

[Sebas]

Begonia. Oh yeah. Begonia. Wait, bro, watch it. It's really cool.

[Jessica]

I apologize.

[Josh]

Oh, it just came out.

[Sebas]

Yeah, that's long ago. It's on Apple tv.

[Josh]

I never even heard of this.

[Sebas]

Yeah, but you should watch it, bro. It's really interesting. And like it's. It's almost like what she was saying. The. The comment that they left us. It's kind of almost this. It really is. It's a really interesting movie. You should watch it. But yeah, I believe that there's no reason why not to believe. I'm not saying believe it, but it's

[Josh]

like be open minded, I always say.

[Sebas]

Like. Probably.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

I don't know. She probably.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Guest]

Like the. The Sphinx was older. The Sphinx are older than the pyramids in Egypt.

[Sebas]

The Sphinx, it's the. The statues of the cat statues.

[Josh]

Oh yes.

[Guest]

Those are like way older than the parents.

[Josh]

And then they claimed them.

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Josh]

From what I've heard. Yeah. And there's this whole like crazy.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Debate on that era that we see and that I know about Egypt and, and old Egypt.

[Josh]

They built this with no technology.

[Sebas]

Like what this is, this is millions of tons of whatever of. I think. What kind of stone is it? Like sandstone or granite. And it comes from somewhere completely far away.

[Guest]

Limestone. Like somewhere super far away.

[Sebas]

Honestly, like not even too long ago, maybe like six years ago, I saw how the pyramids before used to look like this is how it looks like. Because it's all up right. When they were brand new, did you know how they look like?

[Josh]

They're like gold. And they were like.

[Sebas]

It was limestone. It was sleek granite. It was like. It was beautiful, bro. It wasn't. Because right there it looks like just stones on top of each other. No, this was like sleek.

[Jessica]

And they had like that.

[Josh]

Yeah. Gold at the top and stuff.

[Sebas]

Yeah. And. And I don't know, there's like a bunch of theories about like, where it's positioned on earth, what it means to the numbers, what they, what they relate to or what they defy. Something like that.

[Josh]

What's crazy that these are tombs?

[Sebas]

I. I don't know. That's what they tell us.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You know, it's like they build these

[Josh]

like crazy things just to bury like a king.

[Sebas]

Yeah. And they say that we're only seeing the tip of whatever it really is.

[Josh]

That there's like more underneath.

[Sebas]

Yeah. That's. And that's what blew. I want to. Like, that's just the tip, supposedly because we look at as a big ass triangle. Right. But like, suppose that's a tip of even. Probably a bigger triangle underneath, I guess.

[Josh]

Underneath the tip.

[Sebas]

Yeah, but. Or like even like, like the stories of Poseidon and like the.

[Guest]

You know, the Atlantis.

[Sebas]

Yeah, the city of Atlantis. Like, was that before? Is that who we're talking about when it's like this intelligent people? Because there's, there's, there's. There's evidence, right. Of the city of Atlantis and, and what humans used to be. I'm telling you, those were just like, you know what we found? We. We figured it out and we found another planet that's way cooler, way bigger and way better for us. And they just did, bro, with their Little Mermaid stuff and out of here. Out of here. They probably figured it out.

[Guest]

There is a hieroglyphic in one of the. In the pyramids of someone that looks like they're using a computer and in a spaceship.

[Josh]

Oh, I saw that. I've seen that.

[Guest]

It's just crazy.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Damn.

[Josh]

That's insane.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Bro, you want to smoke some weed or 20420 episodes. 420 blazer, bro. You don't want. You don't want me smoking weed, dog. You do not. Because I have a panic attack.

[Josh]

I'll freak out.

[Sebas]

But yeah. It's crazy, bro. It's like all these things that.

[Josh]

No, that can't be it. That.

[Sebas]

That humanity has left us to. To see, to read.

[Josh]

There's no way.

[Sebas]

And like just like, doesn't it blow your mind the fact that humans have created a language and. And so many of them.

[Josh]

That. That's crazy.

[Jessica]

That's a helicopter.

[Josh]

But is that real?

[Sebas]

That looks like an Apache, homie.

[Guest]

It's a Blackhawk.

[Sebas]

Damn. It's crazy that like, like Egypt really intrigues me. Yeah, it really does. And. And they say that those guys back in the day. And it intrigues because in the movies it's like, like there's gold everywhere. Everything is flashy. Yeah. The guys have mascara on Cleopatra. I don't know, it just fascinates me.

[Josh]

But that wasn't even that long ago.

[Sebas]

That's what I'm saying. Wait, was. That was before. That was bc, right? Remember we were talking about it? Supposedly it was B.C.

[Josh]

yeah.

[Sebas]

Before Christ.

[Jessica]

Yeah. 2700 to 1500 B.C.

[Sebas]

see? You see what I'm saying?

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

You see what I'm saying?

[Josh]

D. So how many years ago was that?

[Jessica]

Almost 5,000.

[Sebas]

Okay.

[Jessica]

Like 4,500, 4,700.

[Sebas]

Wow. Okay, so 4,700. We've been on Earth for 300,000 years. Humans have.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And that was just 4,000, bro. I feel like I can.

[Josh]

That was too exclip a rock.

[Sebas]

And. Yeah, it's like 5,000. Like, isn't that crazy, bro? And supposedly what we see in space is the past.

[Josh]

Correct.

[Sebas]

Right.

[Josh]

Light travels because.

[Sebas]

Light travels because if we were able to get there immediately, it wouldn't look like that.

[Josh]

Right. Like they're saying, like, people in the past could see dinosaurs. People in like far away, if they had a microscope, they could see dinosaurs.

[Sebas]

Ain't that crazy?

[Josh]

That's insane. Yeah.

[Guest]

So it's like we.

[Josh]

We're living. We're like in the future through light. Yeah.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Guest]

That's weird.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

What is? Time.

[Sebas]

That's what I'm saying. Then that's the question. Is time even real then? Because yeah, I can go over there. You can go in the past, I can go in the future, technically. And I can be in the present. But at the end of the day. Well, we can do it all then. Low key. If we really could, if we had the power to, we can do it. All right, so then that means that the equation has been always solved and their time is just irrelevant.

[Josh]

Yeah, See, so I'm never late. I'm always on time.

[Sebas]

You always late. All right, that's a good one. I'm gonna read that Tartarian. Yeah, Tartaria era, other conspiracy too, about

[Jessica]

like astrophysics and how it applies to like supposedly, allegedly nothing. Things only exist when you focus on them.

[Josh]

Them.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Right.

[Jessica]

So it's just kind of like free matter floating around.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

So when you apply that to your reality, it's like you can literally kind of build your own reality based on how. How you want it to look like you can manifest. Like that's why manifestation works, because that's what you're focusing on and that's what you're choosing to activate for your future.

[Sebas]

Yeah, I believe that.

[Jessica]

So it's just really interesting. Like nothing, nothing is fixed until you focus on it. And then when you focus on it is when like you're seeing it as it is. But then again, you also have a say in how you're seeing it. So it just like applies to how the life.

[Sebas]

Yeah. And that applies to your. Your attitude. Like something might upset you and it's fair if it does, or might sadden you, you know, if something tragic happens. But it's the way if you believe in it, making you sad or making you happy is, you know, and honestly, you should live that way.

[Josh]

Tony Robbins has a quote that says, we can't control what happens to us, but we can control what things mean to us.

[Sebas]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. So it's like.

[Josh]

It's like that whole idea. It's like we don't know what's gonna happen, but what it means to us is completely up to us.

[Jessica]

Bad things are always gonna happen, too. And if.

[Sebas]

No matter what.

[Jessica]

Oh, my God, that's. Bad things are always happening to me. You're speaking that into existence. Like we were calling and asking for more bad things to happen to you.

[Josh]

That's scary.

[Jessica]

You know, just accept it and, like, it is what it is and move on and focus on. Focus on the silver lining or, like, something good that came out of it. And then that way you kind of, like, don't wallow in and you don't live in that energy, because then you're just attracting more negativity to yourself.

[Sebas]

Yeah. And. And I believe that 100%. I'll give you a small example right now. This morning, I. I accompanied my wife to go on her long run, Right. Because she's going by herself. I don't want her going by herself. So I take the little electric bike on this same day, this morning, I normally go to the same spot around the same time with my cycling buddies, Right. And we just go around Griffith Park. And even before I went, even before anything, I said, I already know a hundred percent that my wife is going to be running and I'm gonna be next to her on the bike. And a hundred percent, because what are the. I said to myself, I'm gonna see them watch. It always happens.

[Josh]

Your friends.

[Sebas]

Yeah. I was like, I'm gonna see them pass by because they can be anywhere at any time. I don't have a schedule or, like, a time that I need to be here or there. I don't even know myself where I'm going to be at around that whole Griffith park vicinity. But I knew in my mind, I was like, I'm gonna see them. I already know I am. Right. And what are the odds that I'm at a certain area at a certain time? I don't keep up to where they're at or anything like that. But when I was on a certain street, they passed right by.

[Josh]

Oh.

[Sebas]

Because I thought about it and I was like, I bet you anything they're going to come. And they did.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Now, it might not always happen, but it's Just an example of like, bro. I put my mind to it and that happened. And I was like, of course it. It's like that. Saying that was of course it would happen to me. Because you thought about it. Yeah, it happened. It will happen to you. Mm.

[Jessica]

Okay, nice.

[Josh]

Then

[Jessica]

Mariana says, great episode.

[Sebas]

YPZ with a yp.

[Josh]

She know it says, you know, ball.

[Jessica]

What do you guys think our dreams mean?

[Josh]

I. I love this.

[Jessica]

Sometimes I think that they're just our subconscious thinking about our real life scenarios. But other times I wonder if we travel to our other realities. Sort of like the movie everything, everywhere, all at once. As in, we travel to our other lives. I also think that a reoccurring dream of how we die is how we may have died in our past lives. What do you guys think?

[Josh]

Interesting. I've gotten dreams about, like, me dying to, like, being shot at. Like, that's how I die a lot. I've noticed that.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Do you too?

[Sebas]

Yeah, I've been shot at. But then you Google it or whatever on the Google machine, and then it is like, why did I get shot? And it's like something completely different.

[Josh]

What is it? What's the meaning of being shot? Shot dead?

[Sebas]

It's just like something like fucking.

[Josh]

I like the theory of, like, jumping into another world, that we are also, like, living. Like, you know what I mean? Like, we jump into another world.

[Sebas]

So this goes back to. You can believe whatever you want as. As long as it makes you happy or whatever. I like to believe that in the dream that I'm having that actually happened in another parallel univers universe where Sevas is from as well.

[Josh]

Yeah, right.

[Sebas]

Like, holy. That's happening. Se is living a crazy life right now. You know? Why is my life so boring? Cuz, like, you know, there's like these crazy dreams that I have, and

[Guest]

it's

[Sebas]

kind of crazy because sometimes I even have dreams where I'm not even in them. What?

[Josh]

What do you mean?

[Sebas]

I'm not in the dream that was. I'm just in somebody's world. I'm not in that dream. You know, when you dream you're dreaming of yourself and like, whatever situation you're in that dream, I'm sometimes not in there. I'm not in that dream. I'm dreaming of something completely different.

[Josh]

You're just watching it like a movie.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Like I'm. I'm the fly in the wall.

[Josh]

Interesting.

[Sebas]

Like, it's not me. Yeah, it's not nobody. I'm just there.

[Josh]

Have you guys ever crisscross Applesauce watching or.

[Jessica]

Have you ever been in a dream and like, you know you're dreaming?

[Sebas]

Yes.

[Jessica]

You control.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Yes, yes.

[Josh]

Lucid dreaming. I used to work at Journeys and there was this employer, employee that I worked with, and he said he would practice lucid dreaming. Like he would do techniques throughout the day very similar to what's similar with Leo. Like, you know, he'd have like the little flipper thing, you know, Inception.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So he did like, little things throughout the day. Like, he would always look at the clock throughout his day. He'd like, like, remind himself to look at the clock. Because in dreams, when you look at the time and then you go back to it, it's never the same time. So he would look for little signs like that. He would just train his mind so when he's like, sleeping, he would do the same thing he would do in normal life. So he can control his dream. Yeah, he was super adamant about this. He would talk to me about it every single day, bro. And it got me to the point that I got very intrigued.

[Sebas]

That's cool. Yeah, that's, that's, that's actually kind of cool that he's into that.

[Josh]

Yeah. So he would just practice, like, figuring out how to control his dreams.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Because it does has for some people, it just happens on accident. Right. But like, imagine if you can just

[Jessica]

like you can train yourself to too.

[Josh]

To lucid dream.

[Sebas]

Yeah, I believe that as well.

[Josh]

No, have you had. That's my favorite.

[Guest]

Have you had part two dreams where it's like you've. It's like part two of your previous dream?

[Sebas]

Yeah, yeah, I've had that as well.

[Josh]

I've had four. Yeah. I've also had dreams where like, I wake up and I was such a good dream and I want to go back to it.

[Sebas]

And that's when you never get a part two.

[Josh]

Never get a part two.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Dreams are crazy. I like to believe that that either happened once or is happening.

[Josh]

Do you guys dream every night? Yeah, I do. I do too.

[Sebas]

I would say 80.

[Josh]

I think I dream every single night and I just forget them immediately.

[Sebas]

Yeah. Isn't that crazy too? Yeah. Like, why do we forget immediately? Like there's some idea that we have. Right. But a dream so vivid should be remembered so clearly isn't.

[Josh]

Are they, like, figuring out ways to like, record our dreams?

[Sebas]

I remember. Yeah, I saw something about that. I saw that. I think that we can. I think that we can do that.

[Josh]

Man. That would be insane.

[Sebas]

Well, get us lot of troll.

[Josh]

A lot of trouble, my boy.

[Jessica]

Oh yeah. The latest dream technology focusing, focuses on recording dream visuals via AI powered analysis, manipulating dream content, but also like, you're like, they're able to see what you're dreaming via AI.

[Josh]

Oh my God.

[Sebas]

Yeah, I saw that. It's cool, bro.

[Josh]

We don't even need, what is it called? Like, those glasses. Like, we just, we have our brains to like, take us anywhere we want.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Like, we don't need virtual reality. You know what I mean?

[Sebas]

Yeah, I agree. Yeah, I agree. Next question. But yeah, I, I, I don't know. I just feel like it's whatever you want it to be.

[Jessica]

This is the last one from Lily Beth. The concept of money is one thing I think about. Like, will it ever run out? What if they stop printing money? What would happen? And also, how is it that the US Is in debt? Like, who do we owe, bro?

[Josh]

We owe money to countries. Yeah, Like, I don't understand that whole logic. Like, we borrow money from other countries.

[Sebas]

We.

[Josh]

I don't get it. That whole idea always trips me out too.

[Sebas]

You know, it trips me out.

[Josh]

So look, what does it say?

[Jessica]

As of March 2026, the total US national debt is approximately 38.9 trillion.

[Josh]

So, but to who? Like, what happens?

[Jessica]

Like, where are they going to get it from? Like, what happens if you don't pay it back? How can you pay back?

[Josh]

We're going to go to war.

[Jessica]

40 trillion, trillion. Like, I can't even wrap my head around that.

[Josh]

And then are we p. Are we making monthly payments here? Like, what's happening?

[Jessica]

Student loan forgiveness? Anyone?

[Sebas]

Like what? They, they probably get a lot of calls from, from loan sharks.

[Josh]

Spam calls, the government.

[Sebas]

Yeah, they probably ignore a lot of calls.

[Josh]

No, that trips me out too. I think about that all the time. Like, we can just essentially print money, but then it decreases the value of money because there's more money floating around like that. Yeah, but we borrow money from these

[Sebas]

countries, so it doesn't depreciate our dollar. Yeah, because if it depreciates our dollar, it'll depreciate other currencies in the world as well.

[Josh]

Who do we owe money to?

[Sebas]

I don't know, bro.

[Josh]

But then.

[Sebas]

And who's the one spending it? Who's the one writing checks for the

[Jessica]

United States primarily to its own citizens.

[Sebas]

Wow.

[Josh]

Huh?

[Jessica]

The US Government owes money primarily to. To its own citizens, institutions, and government agencies. This equates around 75% with the remainder held by foreign governments. That's around 25%. Major creditors include Federal Reserve, Social Security, trust funds, private Investors, mutual funds, and foreign nations like Japan and China.

[Josh]

Bro, isn't it crazy how you open up like a checkings account just to make things easy? You put 10 grand in there, right? So now you see that number on your screen, but that number gets taken by the bank and they get to do whatever the fuck they want with it. And you just have that little number that is yours, but they're spending it. That's just crazy to me.

[Sebas]

Well, it's like a game.

[Josh]

Yeah, it really is. It's insane.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

So even for the people that like. Like a high yield savings account, right. They're paying you interest because they're using that money to make more money, and they're like, hey, we'll give you a little bit. Yeah, that's crazy, dude.

[Sebas]

It's like, crazy.

[Josh]

But like, but it makes sense.

[Sebas]

Countries like, like ours, it's. It's. It's good because some. Some people don't have those privileges in other countries.

[Josh]

Very true, very true, very true. But it's also a pretty crazy game. Yeah, it's a crazy game.

[Sebas]

It's a game where, like, you win, but you also lose.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

And you. But us, we have to understand that us growing up and being smart with our money means that we have to play the game as well. Yeah. Does it cost money to make money?

[Josh]

You probably, bro. You know what trips me out too? Let's just say I make 10 grand, okay. I get taxed on that 10 grand, and now I have six.

[Sebas]

Okay?

[Josh]

Now that 6K that's already been taxed, okay. And then I give you three grand of the money. I already paid taxes for it. Now you got to pay taxes on that three grand that I just. That I already. Tax free because it's income for you individually. Like, that to me, is also crazy too. I'm like, what a fucking game.

[Sebas]

It is a game. That's why you shouldn't. Don't sell it to me. Give us any cash.

[Josh]

The feds are listening. Get to me cash.

[Sebas]

And that's why sometimes, you know.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

When people get a lot of cash, they figure out what to do with it.

[Josh]

I mean, maybe, but if you don't have any kind of credit or anything like that, like, you're kind of like. I was talking to a buddy of mine who owns, like, dispensary, and like, he's in the weed business and he was talking about how certain people just like, everything is, like, done in cash in their business. And he knows people that just have a ton of cash and don't know how to spend it because there's like, you. And you need to have credit. You need to have bank accounts and all stuff. And they don't want to do that because they're gonna have to pay taxes. So now they're just like rich but can't spend it.

[Sebas]

Yeah.

[Josh]

Besides like little.

[Sebas]

Right.

[Josh]

Of course. You know, but yeah, kind of.

[Sebas]

That's what I'm saying. You got to figure out ways to loophole it. Yeah, I guess. Because. Yeah, it is insane. Yeah, it's up. But yeah, you're right. Like, you pay the money that you just let me borrow tax on now.

[Josh]

I have to do it now. You got.

[Sebas]

Just because I'm carrying it now.

[Josh]

Exactly.

[Sebas]

Ridiculous.

[Josh]

It's crazy.

[Sebas]

Yeah. That I ain't paying.

[Josh]

This is.

[Guest]

No one pay taxes.

[Sebas]

What are they gonna do if no one pays taxes? Nothing. They can't do anything.

[Josh]

Yeah.

[Sebas]

Chop our heads off. Yeah, they used to. Not anymore, buddy.

[Josh]

That was fun. Thank you guys for submitting your comments. I definitely want to do more of these. So if you have any more deep thoughts or questions that you ponder upon at night, let us know so we can do another episode like this. Going deep with the PZs.

[Sebas]

You know, I mean, going peasy deep.

[Josh]

Yeah. Do you want to talk about machina or no. Because we're both wearing matching shirts.

[Sebas]

Oh, you're talking about this. Yeah, we keep it vague. All I gotta say is not for sale.

[Josh]

True. That true.

[Sebas]

Exclusive.

[Josh]

But stay tuned.

[Sebas]

Stay tuned. That's all I gotta say.

[Josh]

Sebas is being humble right now, but he's working on a secret project that he's going to unveil sometime later this year.

[Sebas]

Yeah, soon. Very soon. And I'm super excited. I can't wait to show you guys.

[Josh]

The camera 4 doesn't even know about it. I didn't even know we were matching shirts.

[Sebas]

I. Yeah, it's like I said, it's super exclusive. Top secret for right now. Yeah. Don't even tag me. Don't even tag it.

[Josh]

It don't tag it. Don't.

[Sebas]

Just let it be.

[Josh]

Let it be, guys. We love you guys. Don't forget to like. Don't forget to subscribe. Follow us on social media. Follow camera4 on social media. Stay tuned with us. We are so unbelievably grateful for your guys's lives and love that you guys have for us and years that you, in the time that you guys put to listen to us comment and just support us. It means the world to us. So thank you forever.

[Guest]

Thank you.

[Josh]

And this little insignificant dot that we live in. You make it significant for us.

[Sebas]

Yeah, exactly. You can. You make us feel bigger than what we actually are. All right, I got the whole world copyrighted.

[Josh]

Oh, that's true. That I'm saying.

[Sebas]

So you're saying that I sound just like him. Okay, Ciao.

[Josh]

There it goes. It.