Lucy Hale

Summary

LadyGang Podcast: Lucy Hale (May 5, 2020) — Detailed Summary

Episode Overview

This episode of LadyGang brings on actress Lucy Hale as a guest. The hosts—Keltie Knight, Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanek—chat with Lucy about quarantine life, her new show Katy Keene, navigating Hollywood, self-image, and advice for listeners. The tone is fun, candid, and honest, with a focus on the real challenges (and weird silver linings) of lockdown, the strangeness of fame, and embracing who you are—unfiltered brows and all.

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Opening Banter & “Good Week/Bad Week” Segment

[01:11–14:37]

Quarantine Life & Beauty Fails

• The hosts discuss at-home beauty struggles in quarantine: too-short bobs, fading Botox, and learning new languages.
• Keltie laments her haircut:

  "I cut a bob and then I kept cutting the bob and then I cut it more and now it's too short. And now all I want is long hair again." (00:00)

• Becca details quarantine birthday celebrations and a parade for a neighbor's 10-year-old:

  "A line of cars for a different birthday...It was for some like 10-year-old kid down the street. It was epic." (03:02)

• The hosts discuss overindulging in quarantine—drinking, water intake mishaps (too much water causes stomach pain!), and accidentally reverting to teenage habits.

“Good Week/Bad Week” Highlights

• Jack’s good week: becoming a craft cocktail maker.
• Becca’s bad week: realized too much water (and straw sipping) can cause stomach issues.
• Keltie’s good week: feels the nostalgia of scheduled TV nights, looking forward to shows like The Masked Singer.
• Becca:

  "Sadly, my Wednesday night is also exciting because I have gotten sucked in again to The Masked Singer...this show is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life, but I can't wait to watch it." (09:33)

Quarantine Reflections

• Hosts confess they're tired of their own company:

  “I hate myself. I hate myself so much.” – Keltie (13:39)

• Becca notes the struggle of feeling one-dimensional during isolation.
• They talk about regressing to old habits, trouble motivating for “early” appointments, and how even small tasks feel overwhelming.

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Main Guest: Lucy Hale Joins

[17:43–42:44]

Welcome and Icebreakers

• Keltie gives an elaborate, funny introduction for Lucy, listing her awards and achievements, joking about her Instagram-famous brows.
• Lucy laughs:

  “That might be the best intro I have ever gotten.” (18:35)

• They joke about the fate of her “seven surfboards” (Teen Choice Awards)—she rarely actually gets to keep them.

Quarantine with Lucy

• Lucy is quarantined solo except for her dog, Elvis—whom she’s become increasingly obsessed with:

  “I bought him a car seat on Amazon the other day...I think I’m driving him crazy, though.” (19:33)

• She notes she’s discovering she’s more of an extrovert than she realized:

  “I always thought I was an introvert...But now I figured out it's because I'm always surrounded by people...I actually need human connection. I'm losing it.” (20:26)

• The hosts commiserate, acknowledging that quarantine has made them all self-reflective (sometimes painfully so).

Lucy’s Career & Katy Keene

• Keltie praises Katy Keene as a stand-alone series, not just a Riverdale spin-off.
• Lucy explains the Katy Keene premise and her experience working/living in New York for filming:

  “Katy Keene was actually my first time living and working there, and it was the best thing that's ever happened to me. It, like, totally broke me out of my shell.” (22:12)

• On taking show “souvenirs”:

  “Funny thing...you don't get to keep anything because these are both Warner Brothers shows...they put them into, like, a rotating vault.” (22:57)

• Fashion talk: Keltie gushes over Lucy’s red carpet looks, especially her “mint green” Critics Choice Awards dress.

Beauty Mishaps & Embracing the Natural

• Brows are a big topic:

  “I was very tweezer happy at probably, like, 13, 14, 15...I got lucky that they grew back. Now, especially during quarantine, [I] just let them go wild.” (23:54)

• Everyone admits to discovering new quirks—gray hairs, mustaches—thanks to lockdown and a pause in beauty routines.

  “If you don't mess with your brows, you also are not taking stock of your face. And you have a mustache.” — Keltie (25:02)

Fame, Typecasting, and Social Media

• Lucy discusses the double-edged sword of TV stardom:

  “People will always see me as Aria from Pretty Little Liars and that's totally fine. Like, what a good problem to have. But it's kind of my job and it's been my challenge to sort of change the direction a little bit.” (27:02)

• She and Becca agree that moving on from “teen roles” can be tricky in Hollywood, especially with young-looking faces.

  “I'm 30 years old. People don't know that...I'm kind of in this, like, in between age where I can't play a teenager, but no one believes you as anyone's mother.” (28:29)

• Lucy reflects on handling public scrutiny and online trolling, especially regarding body image during her Pretty Little Liars years:

  “There was a phase...I was obsessed with what people were thinking...but now, honestly, I just want to do good work and be surrounded by good people.” (39:04)

Fun Tangents: Post Malone and “Jeans Man”

• Lucy admits to being strangely attracted to Post Malone:

  “I'm not a super fan of Post Malone, but I am sexually attracted to Post Malone...I think that's what it was. It's like, you don't expect him to be so personable and genuine...” (30:00)

• The hosts hilariously recount “Jeans Man,” a mysterious bedazzled-jeans-wearing gym-goer who inexplicably captured Keltie’s attention.

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Advice Segment: “Questionable Advice”

[31:52–42:17]

Lucy offers advice to three anonymous listener dilemmas:

1. Quarantine Dating Gone Cold ([33:09])

• A woman wonders if a guy’s radio silence after they fled NYC means “he’s just not that into me.”

  “If guys want to get a hold of you, they will get a hold of you. If they want to talk to you, they’ll talk to you.” – Lucy (33:09)

• The LadyGang agrees: men are straightforward—no games. If he wanted to, he would.

2. Struggling with Personal Style ([35:36])

• A listener, "a retired emo kid" and mom of three, wants to upgrade her fashion game but feels overwhelmed.
  • Suggestions: elevate basics with good accessories, find “outfit recipes” online, and copy looks from Instagram or Pinterest.

  “If you're in a fashion or style slump, just find pictures of outfits that you like and then you sort of just copy. The beauty of the Internet...” – Jac (36:08) “Literally replicate, you know, street style photos.” – Lucy (36:29)

3. Breaking Up Sister’s On-and-Off Relationship ([41:12])

• A sibling is frustrated by her sister’s toxic, unstable relationship and doesn’t want her name on a shared apartment lease.
  • The consensus: You can’t break people up—she’ll have to learn for herself. But they suggest at least trying to keep her name off the lease, and possibly quietly gathering “evidence” if there’s something shady.

  “People have to go through their own thing. They're not gonna get out of the bad thing until they reach their breaking point.” – Keltie (41:23)

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Fame, Paparazzi, and Survival in Hollywood ([36:45, 38:16])

• Lucy addresses recent paparazzi snaps of her walking her dog sans mask—she recognizes she’ll get trolled, but says:

  “You don't see them half of the time because now they have these crazy lenses, and they'll just sit in a parked car with their windows up…it’s weird. They gotta make a living too. I don’t know.” (37:39)

• She explains staying off Twitter is her best tool for self-preservation.

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Notable Quotes & Moments

• On Quarantine Self-Discovery:
  “I really just realized how one dimensional I am. Like, I really just scroll through the same thing over and over again. And I thought I would really expand into, like a higher being during this time. And it hasn't happened.” – Becca (13:43)

• On “Frozen in Time” Phenomenon:
  "I'm kind of in this, like, in-between age where I can't play a teenager, but no one believes you as anyone's mother." – Lucy (28:29)

• On Hollywood Scrutiny:
  “Maybe I’m just, like, so messed up in the head, how messed up in the head I am…But now, honestly, I just want to do good work and be surrounded by good people.” – Lucy (39:20)

• On Relationship Realness:
  “If guys want to get a hold of you, they will get a hold of you. If they want to talk to you, they'll talk to you.” – Lucy (33:09)

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Episode Timestamps (Highlights)

• 01:11–14:37: Good Week/Bad Week — quarantine shenanigans, introspective moments
• 17:43: Lucy Hale joins
• 18:35: Lucy reacts to Keltie’s grand intro
• 20:26: Lucy realizes she needs people (not an introvert)
• 22:12: Filming Katy Keene in New York
• 23:54: Eyebrow stories and beauty chat
• 25:02: Quarantine beauty “discoveries”
• 27:02: Lucy on breaking out of her “Aria” image
• 28:29: The challenge of “aging” out of teen roles
• 30:00: Lucy (sort of) crushes on Post Malone
• 31:52–42:17: Audience Q&A — dating woes, style tips, meddling in loved ones’ relationships
• 36:45: Paparazzi and mask-shaming
• 39:20: Surviving public scrutiny

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Closing Thoughts

• The episode blends humor, vulnerability, and practical advice. Lucy is warm, candid, and game for the LadyGang’s signature relatable irreverence.
• Themes include accepting yourself, challenging beauty/fame expectations, and the importance of supporting women—while also laughing at life’s messiness.

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Transcript

[A]

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[B]

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[C]

Well, what is this? Welcome to the lady Gang.

[A]

That's amazing.

[D]

Say that again.

[C]

The Lady Gang.

[A]

Things are about to change around here.

[C]

Each week we catch up with Hollywood's hottest girl posse. Keltie Knight, Becca Tobin and Jack Vanik. Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the lady gang. I'm Becca Tobin here with Jack Vanek and Keltie Knight.

[B]

Hello, Kelsey, that was. What were you doing over there?

[A]

I'm trying to get comfortable and not look like a loser, but that's not possible.

[B]

I really like your face when you're really focused on something. It has a lot of double chins.

[A]

Oh, yeah. It's like the quarantine face is all the faces.

[B]

The Botox.

[A]

I didn't even realize my forehead could make these moves. It's been so long since my eyebrows have been able to really express.

[D]

We just.

[C]

We just went to Dr. Diamond right before this happened.

[B]

Well, we were talking about the fact that somehow, some way, quarantine has made my Botox just fade away at the speed of light.

[C]

Yeah, Yeah, I guess. Mine's. Mine's pretty worn off.

[B]

It really wants you to look your worst, you know?

[C]

True. I'm certainly. I'm certainly there. Okay, well, now it's time for good.

[B]

Week yes, it is bad week. Oh no.

[C]

Who wants to start?

[B]

I'll go.

[C]

Okay, okay, okay.

[B]

So my good week, it was my mom's birthday last week, so we had a quarantine birthday. And we're out in my parents backyard having some cocktails, you know, just chatting or whatever. And all of a sudden we see this stream of cars coming down the road, honking and like yelling and whistling and shit. So I go to see what it is and it's a line of cars for a different birthday. So I'm like, oh, what's the occasion? They're like, that's a 10 year old's birthday down the street. Like everybody had their balloons.

[A]

It was so cute.

[B]

So we go to the front of the house and film the whole thing because it was super cute. And then my dad sends it into our family group chat. And he was like, you guys, look, everybody in the neighborhood came out to support me on her birthday. Look how loved she is.

[C]

No.

[B]

And my entire family group chat is like, oh my God, this is the most touching thing I've ever seen seeing. Wow, May, I didn't know you touched so many people.

[C]

Oh my God, that's amazing.

[B]

It was for some like 10 year old kid down the street. It was epic.

[A]

What did you do for your mom's birthday?

[B]

What we've done pretty much every, every day. We bought s' mores stuff, but we didn't end up making them because it was too cold out. But you know, had some cocktails. I've turned into a master craft cocktail maker.

[C]

So guys, I have a confession.

[A]

What?

[C]

I had to stop.

[A]

Marshmallows?

[C]

No, no, no. I had to stop. I love marshmallows. I had to stop drinking because I was waking up every morning and I wasn't sure if I had Covid or a hangover.

[B]

Oh my God. You know, it's. It's that slight hangover that it's not. It's not enough hangover to really just stop your entire day, but it lingers with you and you can't really do anything well.

[C]

And I'm like, this weird, dull headache has not gone away for so many days. And I'm like, well, do I feel like crap because I keep drinking every night or is it Covid? So I actually tonight will be like the first, like Friday night that I won't be getting blackout and I'm kind of worried also.

[A]

I need to get blackout for you. Okay. I need to go back to something Jack said. We bought s' mores in Southern California and we didn't make them because it was too cold. I just want to let you know fully that it's actually never too cold in California to do an outside activity.

[C]

Like, even when you're supposed to do.

[A]

It on the coldest day in California, it is. If I, in the middle of Canada, made s' mores in the middle of winter, y' all could have made the s'.

[D]

More.

[B]

We. We are California girls, and my mom is the coldest running person in the entire world. Like, she thinks it's cold when it's 86 degrees out, so it was too chilly for her to make s' mores for her birthday. So, you know, now it's 90 degrees, so we're good to go.

[C]

Good to go.

[B]

Because my bad week.

[D]

Okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

My bad week is pretty. Pretty simple. You know how I got that massive water bottle. And, like, the one good thing coming out of quarantine is I'm drinking, like, 80 ounces of water a day. Well, I didn't realize that drinking a massive amount of water out of a straw gives you really, really bad gas. So it's kind of backfired.

[D]

And.

[B]

And I have had the worst stomach pains of my entire life for the past two weeks. And I thought it was from all of the cheese I've been eating, but it is from the water I've been drinking.

[A]

So I don't think you get gas from straws.

[B]

I did a lot of research.

[A]

Oh, you did?

[B]

Because you end up, like, gulping in all this air. And I was drinking that water like.

[A]

It was going to slow the down Jack.

[B]

Also, I went something.

[C]

I went to order that water bottle, but I have bad news. It's actually too much water for your size person. Every day, you can actually drink too much water. You're supposed to take your weight and half it, and that's how many ounces of water you're supposed to have in a day. And that water bottle is way more than that.

[B]

And I was drinking, like, a water bottle and a half.

[C]

Yes. So you shouldn't.

[A]

That's why your stomach hurts.

[C]

Yeah. You're drowning your scented. Yeah.

[A]

Drowned. Yeah.

[B]

Maybe it wasn't the straw. It was just the water. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I don't think you couldn't drink enough water.

[C]

No.

[B]

No drinking.

[C]

You can drink too much water.

[B]

Let's go. Next topic. Idiot.

[A]

Good week. I learned how to say see you next Tuesday in Spanish. Oh, hasta proximo martes.

[B]

Is there a word for in Spanish or.

[A]

No, I'm not. I'm just learning my verbs right now. But I would say, hola, Becca, you're a senora because you're married. And Jack, you're a senorita como stars. And you say, muy bien. And then I would say, okay, gotta go, bitches. Hasta proximo. Martes. Martes is a song about the days of the week. Lunes Martes. Lunes Martes, Miracoles. That's Wednesday. Anyway, asta means that's how I learned my congratulations. And then I could say, and my.

[C]

7 year old nephew have the same level of Spanish.

[B]

Yeah. And that's going to fly right out of your other ear as soon as you stop practicing. I'm practicing all the time.

[A]

I talk to everyone in Spanish.

[C]

Proud of you. Have you been calling Mariana, the housekeeper that we share?

[A]

Yes.

[B]

So she's.

[A]

She's bilingual.

[C]

Yeah. She's the only reason that I want to learn Spanish, because I want to. I want to talk to her when she's here all the time.

[A]

So yesterday I had. She asked me, she said, I know I haven't been cleaning in the house, and I've, you know, I've been paying her because I, you know, and she said, oh, do you feel safe enough to work? And I said, estamos vien estoy en mi casa. Por cuanto semanas, estoy muy loco. It means, I'm feeling like I'm hoping you'll be able to clean my house in a few weeks. Isn't this crazy?

[C]

Oh, okay. This is actually a really good time for my public service announcement.

[B]

Oh, God.

[C]

Every single person should be still paying their housekeepers because I know some monsters in Los Angeles who didn't know. Yeah.

[B]

Who?

[C]

Stop. Wealthy monsters. Wealthy monsters.

[B]

Yeah. If you have a lot of money and can afford it, then, yeah, you.

[C]

Have to keep paying these people. Anyways, that was my psa.

[A]

Gracias, Becca.

[C]

Yes. Day, nada. My bad week. No, my good week is that I sort of feel like I'm in middle school and high school again. Like, before we got into this on demand bullshit with tv, where I know what night my favorite shows come on again, and I look forward to them. So, like, Wednesday and Thursdays are just such good TV nights for me that it actually kind of fuels my week. Like, I have something to look forward to.

[D]

I.

[B]

Sadly, my Wednesday night is also exciting because I have gotten sucked in again to the masked singer again. Like, I'm like, this show is the dumbest shit I've ever seen in my life, but I can't wait to watch it.

[A]

Can you believe Banana Was Bret Michaels.

[B]

I know. Didn't Sharon Osborne say, I can see that teeny body from anywhere.

[A]

She's like those little bright Michaels legs. And I was like, wait, does he.

[C]

Have a teeny body?

[B]

Apparently he's.

[A]

You know how all the rock stars always are, like, short and, like, so skinny? Because that's why they become rock stars. Because they have dates in high school and they play and they could never play sports.

[B]

I never realized he was so tiny on Rock of Love. I always thought he was a normal sized man, but apparently small.

[C]

So small.

[B]

What's your bad week?

[C]

Okay, so my bad week is. This is also gonna sound awful. So I know everybody's, like, hustling really hard and, like, trying to get things done, but I am really sick of seeing, like, really rich people ask for help during this time, like, for their businesses and things. Oh, God, like, so many DMS lately from small business owners. Quote, small business owners. But, like, people that I know who are independently, really wealthy, like, being like, hey, it would be mean so much to me if you posted about this on Earth Day. We're doing this thing for blah, blah, blah, for Mother's Day, for this, for that, for whatever. And I'm like, I want to support small business, and I don't think it's nice of me to discriminate just because you're independently wealthy that your small business isn't as valuable. But, like, quite frankly, it's not.

[B]

You're not wrong.

[C]

Like, I want to support you don't.

[B]

Need this for your livelihood, like, side hustle for you, but you're not going to die off of it.

[C]

Yeah. Like, I just know that you live in, like, a really expensive house and, like, your significant other makes millions of dollars. So, like, I just, I want everyone to think, I want you to go inside your hearts and before you ask for help, ask yourself, am I the person who needs it the most?

[B]

This did happen to me for somebody that I follow on Instagram, that business relied a lot of on gathering of people.

[C]

Right?

[B]

And I'm like, that sucks so bad. Like, I hope that they're gonna be okay. And then I saw their view from the Hollywood Hills and their massive pool surrounded by all these beautiful palm trees. And I'm like, nope, I don't think I feel sorry for you anymore. No, no, no.

[C]

This, this, this quarantine has really brought out the best and the worst in people.

[B]

It really has a lot of the.

[A]

Worst in me, for sure.

[B]

You know?

[C]

You don't think so?

[B]

You know, you had a moment in the beginning, that was a little frightening. But I think that you've really honed it down.

[C]

I think so too. I think you're at your best self right now, and I think it's because.

[A]

I'm sleeping like 14 hours a day.

[C]

Yeah, but you're also still working.

[A]

Yeah, now I'm back to work.

[C]

When you weren't shooting E.T. i was like, jack, what are we gonna do? What are we gonna do? I almost. I almost went to your house and, like, cut whatever WI fi wire I could find. Like, I wanted to disconnect your brain.

[B]

Yeah, you, like, made some comment. You're like, do you miss, like, being around me? I was like, I can feel your energy stronger. Right. That manic energy is stronger now than if I was sitting right now. If we were sharing a bed in New York City.

[C]

It's so true. You had some vibes going.

[B]

There was especially.

[A]

It's especially. It is very funny to me because I had always been like, if I just slow down, I'll be happier. And then Chris is like, do you still want to, like, move to Costa rica when we're 40 and, like, retire and. And I was like, no, I need a purpose, and my purpose is working. Oh, God, I'm sucked in.

[C]

I also. Have you guys found that you're, like, sick of your own company?

[A]

I hate myself.

[C]

I hate myself so much.

[A]

All of it.

[B]

I really just realized how one dimensional I am. Like, I really just scroll through the same thing over and over again. And I thought I would really expand into, like a higher being during this time. And it hasn't happened. We is who he is. We is who we is.

[A]

We is. And I have. What's it called, like, when you go back to a way you were like, have regressed into 2009. Like Las Vegas dancer. Kelsey.

[B]

That's the worst year.

[A]

Till like 4am and then. And slept until like 1. Like the other day I had an interview at 11am and I was like, oh, my God, it's so early.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

What 11am I used to go to work at 4 in the morning. Like, who the f ck I am.

[B]

We had to record our audiobook. We had to start at 9:00am yeah, that was hard night before because I was so anxious that I had something to do the next day.

[C]

Same, actually.

[B]

You know what?

[C]

I know it's gonna happen to me when this ends. I'm so. I'm so prepared for it, but I'm so scared. So you know when you have nothing going on and then suddenly you have one thing and Then that one thing, the build up to that one thing is, like, creating so much anxiety. And then you're like. Like, after we recorded the audiobook, like, first of all, it's not that much pressure because we've already written it. We're just reading it. We're reading it. It's not live.

[B]

We can go back if we f ck up.

[C]

And I was like, okay. The day before I went on, like, a really long walk.

[D]

I went over it.

[C]

It's like it was an audition for Spielberg.

[B]

And I'm like, what is wrong with me? And then the end.

[C]

Then I finished that afternoon, and I.

[D]

Was like, I need a nap.

[B]

Like, I'm like, oh, my God. I told Alex. I was like, wow. I am just so glad it's over and that I went first and it's over with. Like, a weight is lifted off my shoulders. Like, it was the SATs. Like, what is wrong with us?

[C]

We're gonna have to go back to real life and we're gonna have those.

[B]

Experiences, like, every couple days.

[A]

Do you remember when we were filming a television show?

[B]

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[A]

Oh, wait, wait. Our guest is here. We gotta go. Bye.

[C]

Now back to the lady gang.

[A]

Have you ever moved to New York City to pursue your dreams? Today's guest is currently starring as the gal to have those dreams smashed in her face. A feeling Becca and I know all too well. Well, mostly me. Gotta, gotta keep it. Better lock it in your pocket because this guest is our fave. And after four and a half years of asking, we are finally welcomed. The queen of brows. The queen of Instagram bohairstyles. A woman who can say more with her eyebrows than I can in an entire paragraph. A fashion icon, a host singer, and of course, the prettiest little liar. She's a People's Choice Award winner. Unlike us losers, she is a seven time Teen Choice Award winner. And now she's starring in the hit Riverdale Spin off. Katy Keene, who was named after her mother Katherine on the show. And I happen to have a best friend fore who is named Katherine, who I call Katie. So clearly it was all meant to be. Please welcome Lisi Hale.

[D]

That was a stretch 15 years. That might be the best intro I have ever gotten. So thank you for that. That was very well thought out. And you know what? I have been trying to do this with you guys. It hasn't been a matter of that. It was just like scheduling. And what better time than now? I'm very excited.

[A]

This is the perfect time. And also you've been very, very busy. And where did you put all your seven surfboards?

[B]

Oh my God.

[D]

The truth about this, you don't get them until years after I don't even think I got seven of them. I feel like I only got a few of them and they're since long gone.

[B]

Yeah. Where would you even. Your house has to be a very specific decor.

[D]

And what a. Yes. Cheap and tacky. But, yeah. I don't. There's something. I think my mom actually might have one. She gets. She kind of gets pawned off all that stuff because she.

[A]

Nice. I'm so excited that you are here, and I want to know about quarantine life and how great it is to have Elvis with you.

[D]

He's right here and he wants to say hello. He's right here. I don't know if you guys are doing quarantine alone, but I am. I'm riding solo. But. Except for him. I actually think I would lose my mind without him. But. But it's gotten. I've gotten even more crazy. Dog lady.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

You know, like, I bought him a car seat on Amazon the other day. So when we. For all the rides you're doing with me. I think I'm driving him crazy, though. I think, like, he's. He's over it. He's like, okay, go back to work. It's time.

[C]

The animals are confused for sure.

[A]

Totally. Is it so shocking to you? Because I noticed that I'm feeling, like, odd. Because usually in your life, like, there's people touching you all the time. Like, someone's micing you in the wardrobe. It's like, pulling and the hair and the. You know, and like, now you're just alone. Like, no one's touching you all day. Which sounds gross, but, like, no, I.

[D]

Want people to touch me. You're right. I need touch. I always thought I was an introvert because I love my alone time, but I. But now I figured out it's because I'm always surrounded by people. Like, I actually need human connection. I'm losing it. I don't know where you guys are at in all this. I mean, I'm proud of us. It has to be done for the better of humanity. But, like, okay, let's. Let's. I'm over it, but I'm sure we all are. But it's been interesting because I've realized I'm not. I'm an extrovert. I need people.

[B]

I actually had. I had that exact same realization because I always thought that there's, like, an introverted part of me, but I'm like, all I want. All I want is human connection. But I'm with my parents and my boyfriend, so I have humans, but I want anybody else other than them.

[D]

You're like, I'm over them. Well, that's good. You have family. I know. I was kind of. I've made the mistake of not going home to Memphis to be with my family at the very beginning, but I feel like my family would have disowned me by now, so.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Get out of here. Yeah.

[A]

The show is so cute. And I know that it's billed as a Riverdale spinoff, but if you're not into Riverdale because it's, like, a little bit too much murder for me, and I'm sensitive, you can just get into your show. So I don't agree that it just has to be a spinoff.

[D]

It can be its own thing. It is its own standalone show. Understand, PR wise why they went the Riverdale spin off because it's, like, the biggest thing in the world, but sort of the tie in From Riverdale to Katy keene is Josie McCoy from Riverdale, flash forwards five years later, moves to New York and becomes Katy Keene's roommate. And then it's just about a show about dreamers living in New York City and just trying to figure their lives out.

[C]

Did you ever live in New York? No.

[D]

So I was always scared of New York because there's so many people, there's so much going on, there's so much noise, there's so much lights, and I'm just not that person. So I'd always dreamt of working there, but Katie King was actually my first time living and working there, and it was the best thing that's ever happened to me. It, like, totally broke me out of my shell. It was. Don't get me wrong, you know, it's overwhelming, but.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Yeah. But when we got lucky that we got to film there, because so many times they take you to Canada, which is so true.

[A]

Yeah, Good old Canada.

[B]

Nobody wants really fair.

[A]

No one wants to go there. Rude. Jack.

[B]

I'm just kidding.

[A]

Did you steal anything? Like the clothes?

[B]

The clothes?

[D]

No. Funny thing. Same thing with Pretty Little Liars. You don't get to keep anything because these are both Warner Brothers shows. And so what they do with all the clothes is they put them into, like, a rotating vault or they put them in, like, there was a Pretty Little Liars museum. But, no, I don't get to keep crap, unfortunately. But rude they would let me borrow. But my style is a little different than Katie's anyway. Oh.

[A]

But, I mean, I just love her style. Well, I loved you in the Mint Green at the Critics Choice Awards. This year, I think it was one of the best red carpets you've ever had. And I look at these things like a contact sport. Like, that's how I feel about fashion. On the red carpet, I'm like, I don't care. I know you're not supposed to just be like, tell me about the dress, But I just want. Tell them about the dress. That was insane.

[D]

Yeah, it was pretty. I liked that color a lot. And thank you.

[A]

Oh, so good.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

I love your eyebrows, and I want to know about if you've ever had a brow accident.

[D]

Okay. Well, if you Google pictures of me from, like, very. I'll send. I'll have to send you guys. Yeah. I mean, I was very tweezer happy at probably, like, 13, 14, 15.

[E]

They were.

[D]

And I, Yeah. Went through the whole, like, pencil thing.

[B]

Yes.

[D]

Like, the upside down. You eyebrow phase. Not cute. And I got lucky that they grew back.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

Now I truly, especially during quarantine, like, just let them go wild. That's just my only advice for that. Just let them do their thing.

[C]

I feel like it's sort of liberating. Even though I feel like I look like a troll. It's sort of cool to see what happens when you don't, like, touch your hair color for this long. Your nails or your face. It's weird.

[D]

Yeah. You know what? I got scared of looking at myself in the mirror. I had to do my roots. I had my hair girl send me my root color. A lot of gray hair.

[C]

I had no idea.

[D]

I had no idea because I haven't seen my natural hair color since I was 14 years old. Truly.

[C]

Yeah.

[D]

I was like, this is depressing. I have to do my roots, but my nails are bad.

[B]

The nails, the nails.

[A]

The issue I'm having with the growing of everything is that, yes, the grays are in and every. The nails and everything. But then I, like, went up close in the mirror, and I was like, oh, if you don't mess with your brows, you also are not taking stock of your face. And you have a mustache. I was like, oh.

[B]

Oh.

[A]

Didn't know she was here. Hi, husband.

[B]

I just stopped looking at my face in the mirror, like, altogether. I'm like, none of this is gonna be good or make me happy at all, so I'm just gonna.

[D]

Probably good for us all, maybe. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

So, Lucy, does it feel sort of different the second time around on a show? Like, I mean, I know you've been working consistently since you were young, but, you know, Pretty Liars was such a big hit, but Then to come back and sort of be the anchor of another series. Does it feel special? Does it feel different? Are you able to appreciate it more because you're like less terrified of it?

[C]

Yeah, no.

[D]

So what a lot of people don't know is that I actually did a show before Katy Keene that was very short lived and no one knew about it because it didn't really get any publicity. It was called Life Sentence and oh.

[A]

I saw the billboard.

[C]

I saw the billboard.

[B]

Yeah, I remember that billboard.

[D]

And that was about it. But Katy Keene felt different. Like I had the same feeling about Katy Keene as I did about Pretty Little Liars. I was like, oh, this is so special. This is gonna resonate with people. But yeah, I mean, Pretty Little Liars, like I was a baby. We were. I was barely 20. I didn't know what I was doing. Acting wise, life wise, nothing. And so I, you know, I spent my 20s on that show. So I feel a little more grown. I feel like I'll never fully know what I'm doing, but it's still nice to sort of be. To be a leader. And like, there's a lot of people on the show who are new and I don't know. That didn't answer your question. No, it did. But like, it does feel. It does. Feels special. Feels good.

[A]

What is one thing you wish that everyone knew about you that you can't quite get them to get?

[D]

I don't know. I mean, I'm sure every young actor. I just don't want to get pigeonholed. You know, there's. It's so every actor my age would say that. But, you know, I think people will always see me as Aria from Pretty Little Liars and that's totally fine. Like, what a good problem to have. But it's kind of my job and it's been my challenge to sort of like change the direction a little bit. And it'll take some time, but I think that's something that'll always follow me around. And that's not something I wish people knew about me because don't get me wrong, I'm very grateful for it. But yeah, I guess I just don't want to be. And also, like, with social media, it's so easy for people to only see me as Lucy Hale. So if they watch me on tv, they can't differentiate Lucy from a character. So it gets tricky.

[A]

But it's hard when you get put in a box as one thing. Like, Becca, I feel like you've experienced a similar thing. Like it's like teen show. And then, like. But what if you want to do the Nicole Kidman? Like, my face is beat up halfway in the gutter. Like, you know what I mean? Like, you have the ability to do that, but it's like, no one will let you out of your box sometimes.

[D]

Just like, finding the people that trust you and will absolutely be like, yeah, we totally. We're gonna give you free reign to do this. They're kind of hard to find.

[C]

Do you feel like you're also fighting against this thing where people. You're frozen in time as a certain age, where you're, like, not getting roles of more mature women, even though you're becoming that because they see you as this little girl still? Yeah.

[D]

Well, a lot of people don't. I guess this is what I want people to know about me. Like, I'm 30 years old. People don't. People don't know that. And I guess one day I'll start to look my age. But, yeah, I kind of am. And like, Becca, you look you. So, like, you probably have the same problem, but I. I'm kind of in this, like, in between age where I can't play a teenager.

[C]

Yeah, but no one believes you as anyone's mother.

[B]

Yeah, you're definitely not playing a mom.

[D]

No. And, like, I'll read scripts where it's like, 25 years old with a baby, but nobody can see me with a baby.

[C]

Yeah. Maybe just have a baby.

[D]

What I wanted to break on the podcast. Yay.

[B]

People are so stupid. You'd have to do that for them to be like, oh, wow, we could.

[C]

See her as a mom.

[A]

There are.

[C]

There are actresses out there. I feel like, where it did take them becoming mothers to break out of that thing. Like, I think Michelle Williams was in that, like, Dawson's Creek world for so long, and people saw her as a teen, and then she became a mother and got these, like, incredible mature roles, so. But she's also incredibly talented, as you are too. But I think having a baby is the way to go.

[B]

Yeah. Let's pop one out right now in quarantine, which leads solo.

[A]

It'll be an immaculate conception. Lucy, this actually leads me perfectly into my next question. I know that you love Post Malone, and Jack and I are both also, I think, is it Jack or Becca?

[C]

I do. I do. Okay.

[B]

I like Post Malone, but I wouldn't consider myself a super fan.

[A]

I'm not a super fan of Post Malone, but I am sexually attracted to Post Malone.

[D]

Like, I think hot, and I can't figure out why, Because I like his music. It's fine. But I only became sexually attracted to Post Malone. I met him. I met him at. During New Year's Rock and Eve. He performed and he wore and I met him. And he's the nicest. I think that's what it was. It's like, you don't expect him to be so personable and genuine and he really is. He, like, took time off to talk to us for. I don't know, it's probably just a couple of minutes. But yeah, I'm into it. I totally get it.

[B]

He just seems like a goofy, kind hearted soul.

[D]

Have you seen the pictures of him without tattoos?

[C]

No.

[A]

Like, someone photoshopped it, right?

[D]

I don't know if someone photoshopped it. Oh, maybe it was photoshopped pre.

[B]

Like, it's weird. It was from last week, but somehow they're gone.

[D]

They look like before he got famous.

[B]

But, oh, oh, Totally different vibe.

[A]

I like a man in a rhinestone. Like, there's something about it. Like, is it. Is it because I love Dolly Parton? Is it because it reminds me of like, Travis Tritt when I was 14? Like, yes. Is it like. I don't know if it's like a.

[B]

Kelsey Kelsey, you forgot about jeans man at the gym.

[A]

Oh, my God, there's jeans man. I was just thinking about jeans man. Lucy, you don't know this, but there's a man at CBS Radford who for the last three years has been taunting me in the group gym by coming in when I work out in a jean. And when I first met Jeans Mann, I don't know his real name, he was wearing bedazzled jeans. And I was very sexually attracted to this.

[B]

Yeah, maybe it like, it simply wealth.

[C]

Even though it's like a bootleg jean.

[B]

It was.

[A]

It was a bootleg.

[D]

All right, all right.

[A]

When we come back, Lucy's gonna help you now that you know, like, she's gonna help you fix your life.

[C]

You're listening to the Lady Gang.

[B]

Okay. And we're back. So for this part of our podcast, we have our listeners right in their deepest, darkest questions anonymously. And then we give them questionable advice.

[D]

Got it.

[B]

Ready?

[D]

Not good advice.

[B]

It's never good. It's fine.

[C]

Well, I mean, it could be. It's good to you, but it doesn't have to be healthy advice or anything. You know what I mean?

[B]

Yeah, it's usually like, drink a bottle of wine.

[C]

Like no liability.

[B]

Yeah, we didn't tell you so. But okay, so first question is Trying to date in quarantine. I've been dating a guy for five weeks and everything was going great. We saw each other every weekend leading up to quarantine, had a lot of fun together, and although we never defined the relationship to be exclusive, we weren't seeing other people. But when shit hit the fan in New York City, we both fled the city to go home to our families in different states. Since then, I've barely heard from him. He's always been a shitty texter, usually taking hours to respond. But now that we are both quarantined with nothing going on, I can't help to feel disappointed. Is he just not into me? Now that we have different. That we're in different places and should I just let it go or is there something I can do to try to keep this dating relationship going on without coming off as pathetic?

[D]

He's just not that into me. If guys want to get a hold of you, they will get a hold of you. If they want to talk to you, they'll talk to you. I would say something like that because I'm the girl that will try everything even if the signals are right there.

[C]

Really?

[D]

Yeah, I, like, try way too hard. So she should just let it go.

[A]

No, I think there's a weird thing with the youngins. Like, I recently saw some tiktokers and one of them was like, I haven't popped the question yet. I was like, you're too young to get married. Like the girlfriend question. Like, there's this weird thing with people where it's like we haven't put the word in.

[C]

Like.

[A]

Like we haven't defined the relationship.

[B]

Like weird like, TikTok thing though, when.

[A]

You define the relationship, you're living together or like I do. You're married. Like, you know, if you're. I don't know. It feels like she might be scaring him away, in my opinion.

[B]

Yeah, well, it's just like a weird. This whole situation. So weird for people that are dating because what if you, you know, she was seeing him for over a month and if this didn't happen, they probably may have been in an actual relationship now, but it's hard to like, keep things going.

[D]

Why is he not communicating and why.

[A]

Is he not trying to break quarantine? Because you know that man, if he's really.

[B]

They're in different states. They're in different states. But yeah, you know that there are guys trying to get.

[A]

Break in. They're trying to break quarantine.

[C]

And if this was like, think about Kelty. Think about when our husbands were courting us and they actually loved us, they would have driven across the country to break quarantine.

[A]

What else are you doing?

[D]

Oh, yeah, people want to see you.

[B]

They will.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Men are so black and white. And if he literally has no reason to not be texting you, Nobody's doing shit right now. So, okay, next.

[C]

Good advice, girl.

[B]

Okay, so next question comes from Bethany. Bethany says, I've never had that natural ability to put cute outfits together, and I am completely style illiterate. I've always been labeled as artistic, and I'm also a retired emo kid myself. I'm turning 31 this March. I have three kiddos. I'm a very petite five foot tall. I still love the punkish looks, but it's time to grow up. The real problem is that I'm afraid to go shopping and I don't know where to begin. I walk into stores and it freaks me out because I have no idea how to put things together. It's a big point of stress in my life and I just want to feel good about myself. I'm stuck living in skinny jeans and a T shirt.

[D]

Any advice would help. First of all, three kids at 31, that is impressive. Oh, God. I never was a part of the punk scene. So if she still, like, loves that, I'm the wrong person to ask.

[B]

Still a way. If you're like a jeans and T shirt type of a gal, I think that there's still a way to elevate that a little bit and with accessories, whether you're wearing like gold necklaces and a heeled boot underneath a jean or.

[C]

You know, or like.

[D]

No.

[C]

Yeah, it's true. Or like, add a little blazer, like a cool, oversized boyfriend blazer. Or if you're in a fashion or style slump, just find pictures of outfits that you like and then you sort of just copy. The beauty of the Internet is you just google that item and it pops up.

[B]

Yeah, look, Pinterest.

[D]

Find stuff I'll like, exactly replicate, you know, the, like street style photos.

[A]

Yep.

[D]

Save them all to my Instagram.

[B]

Yeah, just look up like a fashion week from New York one year. Like a punk, punk, high end style or something.

[C]

Lucy.

[D]

Avril Lavigne. Yes.

[C]

Have you been paparazzi while walking in your neighborhood during quarantine?

[D]

Yes. Yes. And I think it's because no one's out and about. Paparazzi are so thirsty for photos right now that they've resulted sitting in my neighborhood. But I got caught the other day without my mask on it Was, like, pulled down, and I was like, oh, my God.

[B]

I saw. No.

[A]

To see if there was anything that I needed to know before the podcast and the rundown, I saw there was, like, many of you with the mask, and then Lucy without her mask. Thousand dollar fine.

[C]

Oh.

[D]

And you better believe people have attacked me for it. But is that. I was just like, mom, I'll call you back later. Pulled it back up.

[B]

Oh, God. No.

[D]

Rest the right time.

[A]

Now they're gonna sit outside your house because that picture probably sold.

[D]

Yeah.

[B]

They're gonna wait for you to screw up again.

[D]

Damn it, guys.

[C]

I.

[D]

You know, it's. But you don't see them half of the time because now they have these crazy lenses, and they'll just sit in a parked car with their windows up. So it's weird. They gotta make a living, too. I don't know.

[B]

Seems like a weird time to be doing.

[C]

But I have a question about the mask. When you're on a walk, like, I don't think right now, legally, if you live in a neighbor, if in a neighborhood you. No, I don't.

[D]

I think it's just kind of frowned upon.

[C]

It's a gray area.

[B]

Yeah. You'll get shamed on the interwebs.

[D]

I did get shamed.

[C]

How have you dealt with, like, the constant microscope and scrutiny? Because I feel like the, like, world in which you operate in. In Hollywood has probably the most scrutiny.

[A]

Of any highest level.

[C]

Yeah, the highest level and the most trolls.

[D]

Yeah. I stay completely off Twitter, like, just completely optron. Because there was a phase where I was probably, like, middle of Pretty Little Liars when what really got me there was, like, a season in Pretty Little Liars where I gained a little bit of weight. And so I was obsessed with what people were thinking because I knew. People knew because it was obvious, because I was 20, and then I was 24. Of course, like, things are changing. And so I remember I got obsessed with reading what people thought, and I was just like, it messes with your head. And so I. A couple years ago, I was like, you know, screw this. This is so not worth it. And, like, honestly, I don't know how I deal with it. It's kind of all I know because I've been doing this since I was 15. Maybe I'm just, like, so messed up in the head.

[C]

No.

[D]

How messed up in the head I am. Probably, like, you just don't care about the same things anymore. At least my priorities are so different. Like, I just want to do good work and be surrounded by good people. And be a good person and hopefully not completely let myself go during this quarantine. But yeah, I mean, it's hard. Like as a teenager or a young adult, you're not. That's not normal. You're not supposed to have that. But now kids these days with social media, they do.

[B]

Oh, yeah.

[D]

Living in middle of nowhere in Midwest, like, it's hard. I don't know how one does deal with that in the right way. You see people lose their mind or.

[C]

You know, go down, shave their heads.

[D]

Shave their heads. I've almost had a Britney moment.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Don't cut bangs.

[C]

When was your Britney moment?

[D]

Right before this. I had to trim these pieces of hair literally right before this because they got too long.

[B]

And that is dangerous territory.

[D]

I know, but it was like, I might have got a little too scissor happy. I might go back and do more, but.

[B]

Oh, your hair looks amazing right now, by the way. I'm like, staring at it.

[D]

This entire thing had to do my roots.

[C]

Good job.

[B]

It looks good. All right, last question.

[D]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah. Anonymous says my sister has been dating this guy since high school. And it's a constantly on, constantly off with them. They got engaged a year and a half ago, broke off the engagement less than six months later because they broke up. Then they got back together with a plan to better their relationship. Broke up literally a whole year later, got back together on and off, on and off, on and off. Now he's looking to sign a new apartment lease, and we really don't want her name on the lease since they're so unstable in their relationship. My question is, how do I break them up? They aren't changing their bad habits and in his words, aren't building a quote unquote beautiful future. How do you break a relationship up, ladies?

[D]

What a good family. I mean, I think it's done out of love. I get that. Like, if my sister were with someone, like, you know, how would you break them up?

[A]

You can't. They people have to go through their own thing. They're not gonna get out of the bad thing until they reach their breaking point. So there's really nothing you can do. But, I mean, if you're me, you would hire a private investigator for your friend Katie's.

[B]

You don't know if he's cheating on.

[A]

Her ex husband and be like, I'm pretty sure he's cheating, and then get the proof and show it to her. I mean, that's like, what I would do. Not saying that that happened, but I do. No, a private investigator or two.

[C]

Oh my God.

[B]

I do say maybe if there is any way for her to not have her name on that apartment. That makes when the inevitable breakup inevitable breakup happen a lot easier to get the hell out of there.

[A]

Yeah, I definitely think try to talk some sense into her. But people are gonna date douche. And they're young, right? It seems like they're young.

[B]

You gotta learn for yourself, you know? We're all gonna screw up a million times.

[A]

Yep, we sure are. Well, Lucy, thanks for coming on. And you guys, you can watch Katy keene Thursdays at 8, 7 Central on the CW. And you've heard us talk about it on this show before because we think it's a real cute. Cute in like a 20 something cute cute in like a 30 cute girl in a mature, living your life, following your dreams in New York kind of way. Okay.

[D]

I'm glad we finally do this and I'll do it again. I can't wait to see you guys in person.

[C]

Great. Perfect.

[B]

Yes. We're holding you to that, you know. Yeah.

[A]

Amazing. And we will see you next Tuesday.

[B]

That'll never go together.

[A]

Never was not good. No. Thanks for listening and make sure to rate and review this podcast wherever you get your podcast. We have new episodes of Lady Gang every Tuesday and Thursday. Follow us on social media at the Lady Gang. Follow us personally at Kelty, most importantly, Eckah, and at Jack Bannock. The Lady Gang Network is produced by Will Sterling, Steve Delamater, Kirsten Woodward and Elizabeth Baquette. Thanks for rating and reviewing wherever you get your podcasts and tune in for new episodes every single week.

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