"All Up In The Macabre" (w/ Sarah Paulson)

Summary

Las Culturistas: “All Up In The Macabre” (w/ Sarah Paulson)

Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers & Bowen Yang
Guest: Sarah Paulson
Release Date: November 12, 2025

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Episode Overview

A raucous, smart, and gleefully insider-y discussion of pop culture, “All Up In The Macabre” brings Tony and Emmy Award winner Sarah Paulson into the Culturistas fold. Matt, Bowen, and Sarah cover everything from red carpet glam with Kim Kardashian, the macabre joys and woes of horror, award show psychology, and the irresistible pull of Bravo’s Real Housewives. The episode is rich with industry anecdotes, candid vulnerability, and Paulson’s signature blend of humor and intellect—perfect for culture-heads and aspiring actors alike.

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Key Topics & Insights

1. Red Carpet Science with Kim Kardashian & "All’s Fair" (06:34–09:35)

• Sarah reveals the Kim Kardashian effect on red carpets for the new show “All’s Fair,” where Kim has someone scout the carpet in advance, alters lighting, and ensures everyone is lit “better than the Oscars.”
  • Quote: “Kim went and dealt with the lighting, so we were lit all from below and above. Like, the Oscars doesn't have lighting like this.” – Sarah Paulson (07:13)
• The cast’s dynasty-esque character names and Paulson’s own “Carrington Lane”:
  • Quote: “I am your, you know, Esquire villain. Esquire.” – Sarah Paulson (09:55)
• Paulson describes her character as the spurned, “greatest lawyer” out for revenge after being left behind by a breakaway firm of formidable women.

2. The Emotional Macabre: Trauma, Revenge & Acting (10:55–11:31)

• The group muses on abandonment driving both real people and characters.
  • Quote: “Abandonment is. She's a motherfucker… Some people become, like, really desperate for some attention and won't let people go that they should let go.” – Sarah Paulson (11:02)
• Acting as catharsis and self-reflection: “Three desperately desperate, attention seeking freaks.”

3. Early Career, “Desperate Housewives” & Industry Connections (11:33–13:21)

• Paulson shares her casting as Lynette’s sister on Desperate Housewives with help from Felicity Huffman at a Mark Cherry party.
• Segues into love for underrated actors Carrie Preston and Michael Emerson—cultural appreciation, taking a nostalgic look at early 2000s network TV.

4. Halloween, Horror & Awards Slights (13:39–17:30)

• Paulson admits she hates Halloween traditions and pumpkin spice, but “loves candy.” Despite a career in horror, she’s “the biggest scaredy cat”—can’t do the Conjuring movies.
  • Quote: “I'm in a lot of scary shit, but I'm the biggest scaredy cat. I don't watch anything scary.” – Sarah Paulson (14:59)
• Discusses the Academy’s reluctance to recognize horror performances—naming Amy Madigan (Weapons), James McAvoy (Split), Toni Collette (Hereditary), etc.
  • Quote: “These performances are—they're not easy... Why aren't we giving statues to people?” – Sarah Paulson (16:03)
• Oscar buzz and predictions through sites like Gold Derby—acknowledging the changing tides for horror credibility.

5. Acting Process, Real People vs. Camp (31:36–35:45)

• Paulson feels “most free” playing real people (e.g., Marcia Clark, Linda Tripp, Nicole Wallace) because reality gives reliable constraints.
  • Quote: “When you’re playing a real person... all the boundaries have been set, and then I can do whatever I want inside it.”
• For roles based on real footage (e.g., People vs. O.J.), even tiny details like left-handedness and posture become crucial.
• Affirms her deep, enduring nerdiness about Oscars history:
  • Quote: “For me it was the VHS of Oscars greatest moments 1971 to 1991… It was like a tsunami of information.” – Sarah Paulson (33:40)

6. Industry Awards: The Psychology of the Race (40:43–46:33)

• Sarah gets candid about the emotional toll of long Oscar/Emmy/Tony campaigns—discussing pressure, disappointment, and the weird mix of pride and nerves for “front runners.”
  • Quote: “It does make—it's like... you're a horse at a race, and all of a sudden they put, like, a carrot in front of you, and then they just keep moving it further and further away. But, like, you're getting closer and, all of a sudden, you're so hungry.” – Sarah Paulson (44:45)
• Touches on the brutal randomness of award outcomes—Glenn Close, Viola Davis—and the value of supporting categories.
  • Quote: “Supporting actors are the buttress of a building... I just feel like there's a real diminishment... not giving space, room and opportunity.”

7. Nostalgia for Old Hollywood & Pilot Season (68:44–70:15)

• Paulson reminisces about the old glamour of pilot season and the camaraderie (and competition) of seeing the same faces at every audition—contrasted with today’s disconnected, self-taped process.

8. Bravo, Real Housewives & Reality TV’s Surrealism (77:25–84:56)

• Sarah is all-in on the Real Housewives franchises, especially Salt Lake City—analyzing cast member personalities, cast “main character energy,” and mother-daughter drama with characteristic wit.
  • Quote: “There's some part of me that is really fascinated by, you know, the thing you think when you read something and you go, no one would ever do this... [But] there is no end to what people will do or how they will behave.” (83:07)
• The Culturistas and Sarah dissect iconic Bravo moments, relate them to the unpredictability of performance and writing, and celebrate the camp theatricality of the genre.

9. Signature Segment: “I Don’t Think So, Honey” (75:56–88:00)

• Matt: Rails against Jeff Probst for dissing Parvati Shallow’s Survivor track record (76:13–77:14)
• Sarah: Delivers a heartfelt defense of pigeons, rejecting their characterization as “rats with wings,” extolling their intelligence, monogamy, historical importance, and gentleness.
  • Quote: “That pigeon hate must be stopped. I'm calling on the world to stop hating on the pigeon.” – Sarah Paulson (86:59)
• Bowen: Suggests movie theater seats should be priced by location, like Broadway (“common sense!”).
• The group humorously debates pigeon morality and cinematic etiquette.

10. Loving the Craft—And the Final Wisdom (89:53–91:17)

• Sarah pays tribute to unbridled passion for the arts—recounting Cristin Milioti’s Emmy acceptance with the words: “I love acting.”
  • Quote: “Normalize excitement about what you love... what's cool? Being passionate is cool. Loving what you do is cool.”
• Reminds listeners to delight in their crafts and not be shy about their “nerdiness.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “You were all up in the macabre. Title of that.” – Matt Rogers (19:18)
• “You certainly couldn't make up Meredith. Their head's, like, over here. Like, why is it on the side? Why is it on the side?” – Sarah Paulson (83:32)
• “That pigeon hate must be stopped.” – Sarah Paulson (86:59)
• “Normalize excitement about what you love... what's cool? Being passionate is cool.” – Sarah Paulson (91:10)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Red Carpet & "All’s Fair": 06:34–09:35
• Acting, Abandonment & Revenge: 10:55–11:31
• Awards Recognition Discourse: 16:03–17:41 & 40:43–46:33
• Horror & Halloween: 13:39–17:30
• VHS Oscar Obsession: 33:40–35:45
• Candid Industry Insights: 43:00–46:33
• Real Housewives Deep Dive: 77:25–84:56
• “I Don’t Think So, Honey” Segments: 75:56–88:00

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Episode Tone & Takeaways

This episode glows with meta-insider affection, sincerity, and absurdity. Sarah’s irreverent humor and deep reverence for craft meet the hosts’ pop-culture expertise, making for an episode that’s both hilarious and genuinely insightful about performance, celebrity, and the (sometimes macabre) engine of modern fame. The message is clear: love what you love—without apology, and embrace the weirdness of culture and self alike.

Transcript

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Wow. Is that culture?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Goodness.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Sarah Paulson]

Las culturistas Ding dong dong.

[Matt Rogers]

Las culturistas calling. I was just touching base with you before we got on because you and our guests share something. You're on the Real SNL. She was on the fictional studio 60 on the Sunset Strip. She played a Christian sketch comedian.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm halfway to that. I just have to be witnessed and then I'll be there.

[Matt Rogers]

One of these days, someone will see you.

[Bowen Yang]

What's your background with Christianity? Do you.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, so we are on this ride.

[Bowen Yang]

We're off to the races.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm a confirmed Catholic.

[Bowen Yang]

Get this. You were confirmed.

[Matt Rogers]

I went all the way through. My parents told you so much about us. And then I got. I don't talk about my Christian Catholic.

[Bowen Yang]

It was not Greek Orthodox.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I was Greek Orthodox. And then we moved and my parents were like, you know what? Let's just be Roman Catholic, because it's basically the same. And so then don't tell the Pope. Then, you know, don't tell him and don't tell him about us.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, I want to know his opinion.

[Matt Rogers]

It's ruler culture number eight. I don't want to know about us.

[Bowen Yang]

What if the Pope. What if the Pope went to one of your Chicago shows back in the day?

[Matt Rogers]

Just be like, hey, I knew. I knew. I see that face. It's like when Taylor Swift recognizes someone in the crowd and it's the Pope. Honestly, he's probably a Taylor fan. He isn't. Anyway, my confirmation name, it was between. This is so my life, too. I was choosing between Christopher and Blaze.

[Bowen Yang]

You already have one of the apostles names. Matthew.

[Matt Rogers]

I picked Christopher, too. I stayed born. Blaze. No, I didn't pick Blaze.

[Bowen Yang]

I could have I, S, E, Z or Z E, B, L, A, I.

[Matt Rogers]

S, E. That is the. There is a. There is a Saint Blaise.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's right.

[Matt Rogers]

People don't know this.

[Bowen Yang]

And he was the Saint of I believe Fire.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm making it up. I don't think there is. Yeah, St. Sebastian. I just picked a gay name. Speaking of names, our guest is Harrington Lane. Harrington Lane.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, that's a very dynasty coded name. Esquire. Esquire, yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Then I. When I got on the Wikipedia for the show and I read the first of all, the names of the real actresses in the cast was one thing. And then reading the character names really blew me away because Kim Kardashian will be playing Elora Grant.

[Bowen Yang]

Esquire.

[Matt Rogers]

My name is Elora Grant. I'm your lawyer.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

Hey, you made it.

[Bowen Yang]

Meet my friend Elora.

[Matt Rogers]

You've met Elora, and you turn at.

[Bowen Yang]

Someone who looks like Kim Kardashian, you go, oh, that's the definition of overstimulated.

[Matt Rogers]

What is Elora, the saint of?

[Bowen Yang]

Gay guys. Gay guys.

[Matt Rogers]

There we go.

[Bowen Yang]

There we go.

[Matt Rogers]

It's Fung.

[Bowen Yang]

Background Fucking all's fair. Fucking all's fair. This show.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Made in a lab. And the Ryan Murphy lab, which is one of the best labs for us, I think. For us. Yeah. You've got our guest, Kim. Naomi.

[Matt Rogers]

Niecy.

[Bowen Yang]

Babe.

[Matt Rogers]

Niecy, babe.

[Bowen Yang]

Judith. Niecy.

[Matt Rogers]

Ms. Liz Burkes.

[Bowen Yang]

Ms. Liz Burke. Lee. This is. This is a dream.

[Matt Rogers]

This is a dream and a half. It's a fever dream that I cannot wait. It's going to be on Hulu. You're all going to be watching it.

[Bowen Yang]

November 4th, our guest, Tony winner, Emmy.

[Matt Rogers]

Winner, Culture award winner, Culture award winner.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm sure at some point we've got a lot of categories.

[Matt Rogers]

Icon 400 honor 8.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Figure of great.

[Bowen Yang]

Renown, Talent.

[Matt Rogers]

Renown and more. We are super gagged and more to have the one, the only Sarah Paulson looking different.

[Sarah Paulson]

I came dressed like Amelia Earhart today.

[Matt Rogers]

You kind of did.

[Sarah Paulson]

I did explain the.

[Matt Rogers]

The.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's just Celine.

[Bowen Yang]

It's the new Amelia.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's the new Amelia and I'm just, you know, representing it. Yeah, it's like a person who's more. I'm a terrified flyer also, so this is like, not. It doesn't work together. It's incongruous. But that's why it works is what I've decided.

[Matt Rogers]

We were saying, like, the looks that were being turned at the premiere was just, I guess, just like us showing us into a new world of what red carpets can be.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. Especially if Kim Kardashian is your co star. Because what happens is Kim sends someone to do a little walksy woo, goes and takes a video of what the carpet looks like comes back and Kim is like, mm, mm. Like this.

[Bowen Yang]

Whoa. Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Like, where's the lighting? Where's the thing? And so when we were all standing there looking more ravishing than we've all ever looked, and we saw these pictures, and we were like, what is the story with this? And it's because Kim went and dealt with the lighting, so we were lit all from below and above. Like, the Oscars doesn't have lighting like this on top of it. It's like, you know, and then she went and made sure that we had it in Paris and we had it in London. And so.

[Bowen Yang]

So you're privy to the Woxy Woo video. Are you seeing the video?

[Sarah Paulson]

I have not seen the Woxy Woo video, but I was told that Woxy Woo happened. She gets the info, and she's like, mm, mm.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I just. I gotta say, sign me up for that.

[Matt Rogers]

Sign me up.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. Sign my face up for that. You know, if you can just follow me around like this all day long.

[Matt Rogers]

The glam factor was incredible.

[Sarah Paulson]

No, it was just. I was like, who is that? Looking at my own face, I was like, who is. Who is that?

[Matt Rogers]

That's true.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like, it's just me. With really excellent lighting.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't ask yourself that question very often, do you? Who is that? Because I don't. I. I mean, you're a great chameleon.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I can look like different things.

[Matt Rogers]

You were Linda Tripp once.

[Sarah Paulson]

I was Linda Tripp once for a spell.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

One of the greatest spells of my time. It was like one of my favorite.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that spell.

[Sarah Paulson]

That spell was like, really? Oh, Alakazoo wiggly woo boom. Linda Tripp. I mean, it was. It was like, one of my favorite. I like a peg leg and a black tooth. That's like, what I care about from an acting standpoint. Like, do I have a. You know, is there a hump in the back?

[Bowen Yang]

Have you played a pirate yet?

[Sarah Paulson]

Today I'm playing a pirate of the skies. Today I'm the pirate of the skies.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, if Amelia went down hard and, like, was.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think she did.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. We can kind of confirm at this point. Like, Emilia went down.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, I think she's gone. She's gone. I still think we can find her somewhere. The plane or something. But I digress.

[Bowen Yang]

I think we should do a big, gay, modern hunt. Funeral. Oh, I was gonna say funeral, but let's hunt her down.

[Sarah Paulson]

But we could also get the right minds. I think we've, like, been on the Wrong track. Like, we don't need the aviation experts. We need some, like, gay people.

[Matt Rogers]

Gay people.

[Sarah Paulson]

We need Laura Grant. Elora Grant. Yeah. Carrington Lane and Glenn Close as Dina Standish. Just on the case.

[Matt Rogers]

I think I love Dina Standish.

[Sarah Paulson]

Dina Standish. Emerald green is. Emerald green is accent. Milan. Green. Green. Milan. And by the way, in Paris, Tiana, like, all our costumes were in these different rooms, like, at these events. And it's just. We all have our names, and then it's just Milan, Milan, Milan. And she's like, did they not give me a last name? And I was like, it's like your Cher Madonna.

[Bowen Yang]

Exactly. Just Milan mononym.

[Matt Rogers]

100%.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

What can you tell us about Carrington Lane?

[Sarah Paulson]

I love your Dynasty coded thing, which it's gotta. I mean, I don't think Ryan and I ever discussed this, but it was a foregone conclusion to me that this was Alexis Carrington. Not. Because this is just like. And I am playing that person on the show. I am your, you know, Esquire villain. Esquire.

[Matt Rogers]

It's giving antagonist.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's given antagonist. She's given out for blood. She's given revenge till she dies. And she will be revenging. Because essentially, these ladies started their own law firm. They leave Dina Standish, they leave the great Glenn Close go off on their own. Fly the nest. And they don't take me with them. I am the greatest lawyer in my opinion. And in also Glenn Close's opinion, like, I was not Glenn Close. Dina Standish. I was the star of the thing, but I'm a. You know, I've got a bad attitude.

[Matt Rogers]

I see.

[Sarah Paulson]

And so nobody wants me around. And so then they start throwing firm and they leave me behind. And when you leave this girl behind, she's gonna come for you.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, she's gonna come for you.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh.

[Sarah Paulson]

So basically it's that. But it's basically like a little person who was injured and now she's out for blood.

[Matt Rogers]

Great.

[Sarah Paulson]

You know, hurt people. Hurt people.

[Matt Rogers]

And we hope to see her hurt very badly. Back and forth.

[Sarah Paulson]

You are gonna see a lot of hurt and then hurting.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

People's husbands. I don't care.

[Bowen Yang]

Fuck, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's just go for it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Delicious.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I'm getting to that age now where I am thinking about how my own abandonment issues have calcific. Cause this is not something I've thought about until my 30s.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Abandonment is. She's a motherfucker.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's a motherfucker. And she really. Some people retreat Some people go all in in terms of, like, how they're gonna recover. Some people's calcification around the original wound means they can no longer function or let anything in. Some people become, like, really desperate for some attention and won't let people go that they should let go.

[Bowen Yang]

We're three actors here.

[Sarah Paulson]

Or you become three desperately desperate, attention seeking freaks.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of desperate.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, wait, so. I think so. Definitely the first time you hit my screen was Studio 60. And I remember being like, who is that? And I think many people in the world were like, who is that final? But you were iconically Lynette's sister on Desperate Housewives, which was really a formative culture in our life.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, I love this.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no, I remember you from it.

[Sarah Paulson]

This was. You do? Yes. This was a moment in my career where I, you know, not a lot was happening. Not a lot was happening. And then Felicity Huffman, who was a good friend of mine then, is a good friend of mine now, was like, hey, you know, I think I was at some party with Mark Cherry where he has a grotto. There's like a swimming pool.

[Bowen Yang]

I can envision this event.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I was like, I think there was, like, a charades night. And then I think I got, you know, like a little crumb thrown my way where I could be Lynette's sister, which to me was like, really good casting. Yeah. And it was. Carrie Preston was the other sister.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Elspeth.

[Bowen Yang]

Elspeth.

[Matt Rogers]

Elspeth. And also she on True Blood. That is an underrated performance.

[Bowen Yang]

Carrie Preston on True Blood.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Carrie Preston's been giving underrated performances her whole career. And her husband too.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're just so good.

[Bowen Yang]

So good, so good.

[Matt Rogers]

Actually, you know what? I remember that was like, when ABC was, like, kicking ass and Michael Emerson was Ben Linus on Lost. And then also.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes, but wasn't he also doing something else at the same time?

[Matt Rogers]

He was on the show with Jim Caviezel. Was that Jim Caviezel? Yeah, I said it. Crisis on the Christian episode.

[Sarah Paulson]

Really nice work. Strong, strong.

[Matt Rogers]

Was that true? It was a show.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Jim Cavizl was on some, like, procedural thing.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. Something. But I feel like he was doing double duty. It was like the time when someone like Michael Emerson could do both.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

And then his wife was all on all the other True Blood and it was just like a thing.

[Matt Rogers]

And now she's Elspeth. Now she's Elspeth completely taking over not just the airways, but also the commercial space.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, the Elspeth commercial berets and scarfs and Elspeth. I just love it. I just love it so much.

[Matt Rogers]

You're gonna see a lot of the Elspeth Halloween costumes, I think.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, yeah, I think that's right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

The other prediction I make is a lot of Gladys from weapons.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course. A lot of Gladys.

[Matt Rogers]

Big time.

[Sarah Paulson]

There's gonna be a lot of that.

[Bowen Yang]

But see, but both of those are like colorful women.

[Sarah Paulson]

Color for women. I just hate Halloween.

[Bowen Yang]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Talk about it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Actors tend to not Halloween. I don't want you to ring my doorbell. I don't want to have to talk to little people, children. I don't like the dressing up. I'm like, oh, God. It's like the one day of year people are just like, I get to be. And I'm, you know, I understand that I get to do this in my life, and I've been so blessed and I'm so happy and lucky and wow. But I'm also just like, my costume today is me.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm myself today.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep. Here's my thing.

[Sarah Paulson]

I hate a pumpkin spice latte. I mean, I could go on about this when I've got my minute to rant. I'm saving something else for that. But, like, I don't want your pumpkin spice. I don't want it. I don't like pumpkin pie. I don't like anything pumpkin. I don't like the color orange. I'm just. It's not my vibe. Halloween's not my time. Sorry.

[Matt Rogers]

I want to tell you something. You look at my life of a showgirl coded phone right now.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, I do.

[Matt Rogers]

This is not a good time for you because now it's the sided oranges.

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't like it. I don't like it. So then how do you usually get.

[Bowen Yang]

Through this time of year?

[Sarah Paulson]

I muscle through it. And I have often worked with wonderful hair makeup people, and they love to do the trailer in the Halloween jam. And there is like, nightmare for before Christmas stuff. And like, someone's like, eee. Eh, eh.

[Matt Rogers]

Cobwebs everywhere.

[Sarah Paulson]

Cobwebs everywhere. You come in and you're like, ah. It just like. I don't know why it makes me so aggro, but. Because I love candy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Never been happier about candy in my life.

[Matt Rogers]

And you famously are in a lot of scary shit.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm in a lot of scary shit, but I'm the biggest scaredy cat. I don't watch anything scary.

[Matt Rogers]

Likewise.

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't watch any of those. What are those? Really scary Movies with Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga. Like.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, the Conjurings.

[Bowen Yang]

The Conjurings.

[Sarah Paulson]

I absolutely cannot. With a dollar. A creepy doll.

[Matt Rogers]

The Megan's. Not for you.

[Sarah Paulson]

The Megan's. No, none of it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But then you did see weapons.

[Sarah Paulson]

I did see weapons because I got. I went with my friend Jason Butler. Jason Butler Harner and Pedro Pascal and we went to see this movie and those Trickster.

[Matt Rogers]

Famous trickster.

[Sarah Paulson]

Trickster. Famous Trickster people. Yeah, he's a famous Trickster. I didn't know. I didn't know what I was. I didn't know.

[Bowen Yang]

And you felt jilted. You felt.

[Sarah Paulson]

Except for. To me, it's like the performance of the years in that movie with Amy. Matt. It was just. To me, I'm like, well, thank God Amy Madigan is being given an opportunity to do what Amy Madigan can do better than anybody. And she's just a genius. And I'm just like, here for an. I want someone to accept an Academy Award.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. For that.

[Sarah Paulson]

For a movie like that. Because James McAvoy in Split. I mean, do we need to talk about. I mean, like, not even nominated. Like, what are we talking about?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, 100%.

[Sarah Paulson]

Toni Collette in whatever. That scary movie heretary.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, these performances are. They're not easy to do. And, like, nobody wants to give. Ellen Burstyn in the Exorcist. Linda Blair in the Exorcist. Why aren't we giving statues to people? This is another thing. I mean, I've got a lot of ranting to do, obviously, but I just.

[Matt Rogers]

No. Horror movie performances.

[Sarah Paulson]

Horror movie performances. They don't get the response.

[Matt Rogers]

Lupita Nyong' O and us should have been nominated.

[Sarah Paulson]

Correct.

[Matt Rogers]

I thought Daniel Kaluuya should have won. Allison Williams and get out. That should have been a surprise.

[Sarah Paulson]

All of it.

[Bowen Yang]

I think Cinders is gonna get a good chance.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think you're probably right.

[Matt Rogers]

And, you know, I recently. I be going on the Gold Derby.

[Sarah Paulson]

I like to go on the Gold Derby, too. I'd be going on it.

[Matt Rogers]

I'd be going.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'd be going.

[Matt Rogers]

And so shockingly high. Amy Madigan and the supporting actress, like, people are predicting it because I think things are changing.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're changing. But also I think there's so much respect for her that predates this sort of genre moment that people are like, oh, my God, we want Amy Madigan seen by all of us, all the time, everywhere. And if this is the. You know, and it's just undeniable, it's also undeniable and that movie is like, a sneaky horror movie.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's not like blood and guts horror movie. It's more of a psychological thing. And so you think you're watching, like, you got people, like, running around like this, you know? And it's like, are you a bird? Are you. Do you know what I mean? Like, oh, look, we can pretend it's this.

[Matt Rogers]

And also, the way that she styled Bowen always says, like, it serrates the movie. Like, memorable and serrated.

[Sarah Paulson]

I love that.

[Bowen Yang]

But there's a pretty bloody, gory moment, and it's the only.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's true.

[Bowen Yang]

It's the first time in a long time that I've had to cover my eyes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's always the gay couple that get it.

[Sarah Paulson]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

Remember it too. No, probably not, because you didn't see it.

[Bowen Yang]

That one I didn't see it.

[Sarah Paulson]

That one I didn't see. But you'd be going on the Gold Derby to decide what you're gonna do or about what's going on for your friends. Are you, like. Are you, like, going for your own ballot and being like, what are people saying? Or are you, like, my friend so and so is up for it? Are they?

[Matt Rogers]

So basically, I do remember voting. I always vote for you, but I like. I remember going. And the first time I voted for sag, I really surprised myself because I was like, wait, all my favorite stuff isn't even what's in the commercial, because we're not.

[Sarah Paulson]

You know, I don't know how many ballots you've been sent, but they're ones that I'm like, ugh. What even is like, you know, they're big. When you get to be a nominator, and it's like, I take this so seriously. I'm like, a freak about it. I never vote. I mean, if you're brilliant in something, but, like, I like something else better, and you're my best friend. I'm still voting for the thing I like better because. Because I just feel like you want to honor the greatness of the performance and not just like, your friends, and I just don't. I can't. I watch. I will not vote in a category I have not seen.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

I just won't do it. I take it very, very seriously.

[Bowen Yang]

I want you to look Pedro in the eye and vote against him.

[Sarah Paulson]

I did vote against him this year.

[Matt Rogers]

Who'd you vote for?

[Sarah Paulson]

I voted for at Emmys. Yeah, it was him. Well.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause he was kind of big. No.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh. I voted for Adam Scott. Sorry, Pedro.

[Bowen Yang]

Sorry, P. I couldn't help it.

[Sarah Paulson]

It was a performance to me. That was just so good. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

My main thing about Halloween, I agree with you. But my thing is it's everyone's. Everyone's on about fast fashion and stuff. Right? It is, like, the most unsustainable holiday.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes, that's true.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like, people just wear, I think, once and then throw it out.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, they do. Plus the packaging that it comes in, the plastic and the thing. And some dog is suffocating in the corner because they, like, got inside it. Oh, you see where I went? I'm sorry.

[Bowen Yang]

No, it's okay. It can happen.

[Sarah Paulson]

It can really happen.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't follow you for that. I just.

[Matt Rogers]

See, the thing is, you briefly lived in the macabre there.

[Sarah Paulson]

I did.

[Matt Rogers]

As someone who, like, literally, you lived in the macabre for years. You were all up in the macabre. Title of that.

[Bowen Yang]

All up in the Macabre.

[Sarah Paulson]

All up in the. All up in the Macabre.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a good title of that title.

[Sarah Paulson]

All up in the Macabre. I did live in it. I did live in it.

[Matt Rogers]

How do you do that? I'll never forget the scene view in Hotel, which is the one I tried to watch. Cause of Gaga and basically. What happens to Mr. Greenfield?

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I had to tap out of that. And you were innocent.

[Sarah Paulson]

I was, like, watching it. I got to watch it. Yeah. How do you think you're on set for that? Yeah, I was on set for it. I saw it.

[Matt Rogers]

Whatever you're thinking, it's way worse.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like a giant conical dildo. Yeah, right.

[Matt Rogers]

He gets fucked to death.

[Sarah Paulson]

Fucked to death, but with a real drilling.

[Matt Rogers]

Ryan, Ryan, you're sick.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're sick. But, you know, I'm here for it. Something's in my eye, guys. Whatever, it's fine.

[Matt Rogers]

Do I take that macabre?

[Sarah Paulson]

No, macabre. Something's in my first of all.

[Bowen Yang]

Macabre or macabre? Let's get on the same.

[Matt Rogers]

Macabre.

[Sarah Paulson]

Macabre.

[Bowen Yang]

Macabre. Thank you.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, I like.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, people make fun of. Oh, Mr. Frenchman.

[Bowen Yang]

Oui, oui. And I'm like, no, it's just how.

[Matt Rogers]

You'Re first language French.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no.

[Sarah Paulson]

Is your first language French?

[Bowen Yang]

Not technically.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're a Frenchman.

[Bowen Yang]

No, born in Australia. Moved when I was 6 months old so you could say English and Mandarin were the first things that, like, hit my ears. But then we moved to Quebec.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, so that kind of French, then.

[Bowen Yang]

French was like, Spoken the most in my life for a while.

[Sarah Paulson]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

And then hard left into English.

[Sarah Paulson]

But you didn't have any sort of like Australian accent. Did you hear that horrible thing? It wasn't good. No. I've got a couple of friends and all we do is this.

[Bowen Yang]

That's really great.

[Sarah Paulson]

We just love to do it. It's great. My makeup artist is from New Zealand. Yeah, from South Africa, right? I can't remember. Remember? No, it's. No, I love that. I love when people said, no, it's.

[Bowen Yang]

Never gonna get old for me. It's never gonna get old.

[Sarah Paulson]

Never get old. Oh. But somebody taught me a secret about how to say. And being a really great accent for this voice is to say, rise up lights.

[Bowen Yang]

Rise ups.

[Matt Rogers]

Rise up lights.

[Sarah Paulson]

Rise up lights.

[Matt Rogers]

Rise up lights.

[Sarah Paulson]

Rise up lights. Is the same thing as saying razor blades. You say, rise up lights.

[Bowen Yang]

Rise up lights.

[Sarah Paulson]

Rise of blights.

[Matt Rogers]

Rise up lights. Rise up.

[Bowen Yang]

My on ramp into Australia is always.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. Get your upper palate going. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Very resonant language.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Up there with a question.

[Bowen Yang]

With a question.

[Sarah Paulson]

Okay, there you go.

[Bowen Yang]

But a bit hard. I like rise. I like rise up lights.

[Sarah Paulson]

Rise up light. Rise up lights.

[Matt Rogers]

Rise up lights.

[Sarah Paulson]

Rise up lights.

[Bowen Yang]

What are. What are rise up lights?

[Sarah Paulson]

You know, like, just think of the word rise.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Sarah Paulson]

Up lights. You just like rise up lights.

[Matt Rogers]

What's the favorite accent you've ever done?

[Sarah Paulson]

I haven't really done a ton of them.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was thinking that I don't.

[Sarah Paulson]

Really get to do that often. I'm usually just like running from a clown or.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, you don't need it as a crutch.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. It's not a crutch for me. I like to live in my Linda tripping world and my martial. I like a wig.

[Bowen Yang]

You like a wig.

[Sarah Paulson]

Mom really likes. Mama likes a wig.

[Matt Rogers]

Mama likes in a wig, sells in.

[Sarah Paulson]

A wig, loves a wig.

[Matt Rogers]

The Marcia Clark of it all, by the way. That was. I'll never forget the Marsha Marcia Marcia episode. Talk about going to Gold derby. I was like, let me go on go to mix. Make sure that I'm not crazy. This is at number one for everyone. That was such a slam dunk, like such a well deserved Emmy win after you being overdue at that point.

[Sarah Paulson]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

By the way, we also saw appropriate. You're brilliant. Thank you.

[Sarah Paulson]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

But I do want to ask the Kim K of it all figures into People vs. O.J. simpson. Famously.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you touch base with her about that during it?

[Sarah Paulson]

No, of course No, I barely talked to Marcia Clark before. I mean, I didn't talk to Marcia Clark before we shot it. So it wasn't until we were like, episode six or seven. I think I had finished the Marcia Marcia episode. And Ryan's like, if you want to reach out to her, you can do it now, because now you've basically done it.

[Matt Rogers]

Even then. You hadn't met her.

[Sarah Paulson]

No, no. We had a real drunken night one night after. Like, I was into episode seven or eight of the 10 or 12. I can't remember how many there were. 10, I think. And then that was that. Like, I saw her mole. I literally saw her face through a spinning, like, revolving door, and I was waiting there, and I was like. I was so entrenched in my love for Marcia Clarke at that time because I was so inside it. And then I remember, like, seeing, like, her walk through the revolving door. And, like, I swear to God, there was a glint of, like, sparkly sunshine right on the mole, and I was like, holy moly. It was like I had, like, a cinematic, like, slow push in on the mole, and it was like, there she is. I can't believe it.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's get drunk.

[Sarah Paulson]

No, she didn't, but I was like, I guess I need to. To, like. Yeah, yeah. She was really hesitant about the whole thing. She'd only been, like, raked through the coals publicly. So the idea of, like, a dramatization of this when nobody writing about it was actually there, the idea that it was going to be. I kept trying to say, like, this is going to be. I really think, like, the angle. I know I can speak about what the angle is for sure, and I don't think you'll be upset by this. And she didn't really have a lot of faith in that. But then I think, obviously, it all.

[Matt Rogers]

I guess it's like, why would anyone who'd been only for decades, like, just.

[Sarah Paulson]

You know, where the fault of losing the, you know, whatever it was, was sort of laid at the prosecution's feet, and it just was a mess. And then just always, always, you know, poked fun of and all this stuff. And so anyway, it just. I can't remember what your question was, but I would have a gold derby.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it was about gold.

[Sarah Paulson]

I love the gold derby.

[Matt Rogers]

No, but it was about Kim, because now you're in a show with her, and that was, like, something that I think, like, our daughter didn't really understand. That was the, like, the inception of the Kardashian.

[Sarah Paulson]

Chris was really good friends with Nicole, best friends with Nicole. And so that was a real thing. Selma Blair played her. I can't remember who played the children, but just recently Kim told me that there were people who played her on the show. Like played Kourtney and Kim, I think.

[Matt Rogers]

And they were.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. And I don't remember that part cause it was a section I wasn't in. So I paid it very little, you know what I mean? I still haven't seen it to this day.

[Matt Rogers]

Really.

[Bowen Yang]

Using the usual of your work.

[Sarah Paulson]

I had always watched my work before then because I think I was so. Still thrilled that like someone was letting me do it. I was like, look at. There I am. And now I think in particular with that was the first time where I was so obsessed and like deep in it that I felt like if I watch this, I'm gonna see every time she was left handed, I pick up the pen with the wrong hand and oh God, I'm gonna see all the things that are wrong. And then when the response was so robust, I thought, now I'm really not gonna watch it because I don't wanna be like, what's the big deal? Right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And you also don't wanna. You don't wanna convince yourself of like a reality where they're all lying.

[Sarah Paulson]

Exactly. Which is really something I'm very good at doing.

[Matt Rogers]

I get that.

[Sarah Paulson]

So I just was like, I don't wanna do that to myself. Why don't you let this one be enjoyable and see what that feels like for sure.

[Bowen Yang]

I feel like your work is so perfectly balanced between something that is grounded in reality and something that's actually happened in the world. Studio 60, let's say, or People versus O.J. and then it's also the corollary is like the campy, heightened reality as well. Is this a toggle for you where you have to sort of change modalities based on what the project is?

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't feel toggly, I think, and that maybe is why I'm able to do it. Because the Ryan thing, I do think particularly. But even in other things I did, I did this movie called Run about a, you know, child that I've. Yeah, Munchausen, where I'm trying to make my child sick so she'll stay with me. And even that is a sort of like extreme universe to live in. And I think the horror genre in general asks for a little bit of big swings. And I feel most comfortable there somehow. And I don't know whether it's because my mother called me Sarah Bernhardt since I was a tiny child. And I've always had sort of big reactions to things that maybe are outsized. That's for my therapist, not for the both of you. But, but you know, I have, I have.

[Matt Rogers]

We don't know about those type of react.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think I'm a big, I have a big, big emotional response to things big and small. I think that the register is like it really. The pendulum can swing way, way far than most, I think. And so therefore in that world, it doesn't seem off, off the, or out of the realm of normal to have whatever reaction my character's having, even though an average person might be like that is, you're really freaking. This is too much. It's too big. And I'm like, and it's surreal.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

He dumped you and took it with.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

But ebay isn't just for getting whatever your ex ex BFF stole back.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

That's a good tagline. No one can resist a rule of culture. So here's one for the dating files. Rule of culture number 72.

[Matt Rogers]

Chemistry isn't just vibes, it's values. Because what's the point of matching with someone if you can't talk about the shows you binge, the books you dog ear, or all the hot takes you'll defend at brunch?

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble. And it makes sense. It's not just about matching with someone. It's about finding someone who gets your references, your obsessions, your whole vibe with shared interests and prompts. You don't just see a profile, you get a glimpse of someone's personality. Which makes it even easier to start conversations that actually lead somewhere.

[Matt Rogers]

Plus, with photo and ID verification, you can trust that the person you're talking to is real. With that added peace of mind, it's so much easier to show up as your full self.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

You know, Matt and I weren't super familiar with the off roading game until this summer when we took a dunes tour and went off road. And now I totally get it. And I envy the adventure that people off road take when they go to the Transamerica Trail.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

What I love about the horror genre, like, on its face, is you kind of can get away with anything.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's the other. That's the other.

[Matt Rogers]

So imagination is then explored.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's the dirty little secret to me, is that, like, there are no rules. Like, when you're playing a real person. I actually feel most free then because I have all the boundaries have been set, and then I can do whatever I want inside it. Cause I know what the truth is, and I know, like, I just. There are certain facts that are not up for my interpretation.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Sarah Paulson]

Where sometimes when you have too much, like, paint to play with, you know, if you, like, pour all the paint in the world, like on the ground, you're gonna come up with just some weird muddy color. It's not specific enough. So it's like, if I have too many choices, it makes my head sort of pop off a little bit in a way. That's not helpful.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's why I'm just like, let me play all the real. I'll be the lady who plays all the real people till the end of time. Nothing would make me happier.

[Bowen Yang]

That would be amazing.

[Sarah Paulson]

Nothing would make me happier.

[Bowen Yang]

But you were saying with Marcia, it was tipping into a zone where you were like, I'm gonna look at which hand she uses to pick up this one.

[Sarah Paulson]

Where. How she walked. She was a dancer. She had a little bit of a. She was always sort of standing a little bit in first position. There was so much amazing footage of her, which is. Which was rare, which is like her walking into the courtroom where, like, they're just hallway cameras, but you don't. You're not really thinking about being on camera. Whereas, like, when I played Nicole Wallace before Nicole. Nicole Wallace became like, A household name in Game Change. Like, there was no footage of Nicole Wallace not being performance Nicole Wallace. So, like speaking on behalf of the White House. Whereas I could watch stuff also with Linda, paparazzi videos and things where I could watch her move without her, like, public facing self. And so that was like a real gift because it was like, oh, I'm seeing what you're doing without an awareness of a camera, which. Where can. When can you get that? It's really rare. So it was very exciting to me to be able to have very specific things from which to pull from. And then I felt really free because I knew what the rules were under the veneer.

[Bowen Yang]

You saw.

[Sarah Paulson]

Correct. Yeah. Scraped that tooth enamel off.

[Matt Rogers]

Got all.

[Sarah Paulson]

The way down to the gum line. And I was like, I see what's really here. We've got gingivitis.

[Matt Rogers]

We've got gingivitis Diagnosed. Diagnosed. Let's ask the question. Okay, so we've been kind of flitting around it, but. Sarah Paulson, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you? I love your answer.

[Sarah Paulson]

Well, for me it was the VHS of Oscar's greatest moments, 1971 to 1991. This is a VHS. It cannot be purchased or gotten in any other way. And I had this. I still have this vhs. And Billy Eichner actually also is obsessed with this. And when we had a conversation one day, our heads were both like, I didn't think anybody else really knew about this. And he had it transferred to a disc so that then I don't know how I would do it.

[Bowen Yang]

Necessary. Of course he did.

[Sarah Paulson]

But, like, as a present, like a rap present, when we were finished with a chorus or something, he gave me.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Sarah Paulson]

But this is something like. I watched so much that it was like how I learned about, like, Sasheen Littlefeather and the Thing and the nudist streaking across, you know, the stage when Elizabeth Taylor was trying to, you know, watching every Academy Award win and every sort of, like, show opener and Liza Dantley. It was like. I don't think I knew who Liza Minnelli was before I watched this when I was like 14 or whatever. And I was. But I just over and over and over again. And I can memorize people's speeches and Ruth Gordon's speech and like, it was like a. It was like somehow having a living, breathing encyclopedia of pop culture moments that meant something to me, obviously, because of my dreams and fantasies and hopes of, like, one day standing there with that hot little rattle guy, tight ass in my hand golden man golden man in my hand yeah, that. It was just like getting to see it all, but it was all just right there. It was like having a computer before you could have a computer.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like being able to Google every little moment about it and what people were wearing. So it was like a mixture of the fashion influx, cultural fashion moments, mixed with, like, political statements that were being made, mixed with, like, the performers of the day, and also sort of recognizing that, like, the world was. The performing world was so much smaller back then. It was the same actors over and over and over again getting nominated and the same. It was just. There was not this saturation of the marketplace. And so, like, there were these 10 spectacular actors and these 10 spectacular actresses and these 10 filmmakers. And it's like things tended to be kind of uniformly excellent back then in that time period. And they don't make some of those movies anymore.

[Matt Rogers]

No, they do not.

[Sarah Paulson]

But it was a real. Like, I remember just buying that, like, purchasing that at the video store. I think I rented it, and then I went and found it and bought it.

[Bowen Yang]

And where did you buy? Like, do you remember where you bought?

[Sarah Paulson]

In Brooklyn. In Brooklyn, where I lived. Yeah. And it was just, like, in the vcr, and it was just, like, on repeat, repeat, repeat. And I do think, even as I'm talking to you about it now, like, just the Bob Mackie of it all and the different. Like, there was just, like, the shared. One of the greatest things that my best friend and I, Amanda Pete, are always saying. She does this whole bit where she comes out in her, like, early. Early acting moment. I don't. I think it might have. Maybe it was two times that are on this video.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

One of them where she comes out and she's bringing up reading the list of nominees. And I can't remember who she's standing with, but her line, she has to say Marvin Hamill. I mean, Marvin Hamlisch. And she cannot. And she says, marvin Hamelschmish. Marvin Hamschmish. Hamlschmish. And then she goes, sorry, Marvin. And it's like the funniest, most. Like, she's so charming and so relaxed. And then another time, she comes out in a giant headdress. After she won, I think she said, as you can see, I got the Academy handbook on how to dress like a serious actress. And I just was like. But it's like, I got to see, like, early days Cher. There's Bette Midler making fun of the way someone is. Too many people Are nominated for, like, one. Like, there were four songwriters. She's, like, also known as four on a song. And it was just like. I mean, I just remember all these, like, really. Oh, yeah. For moon in. What's the song in New York City. When you get lost with the moon In New York City.

[Matt Rogers]

New York City.

[Sarah Paulson]

The best that you can do. Yeah. It's all in love. Yeah. Is that from Arthur?

[Matt Rogers]

Arthur Theme. Arthur's theme.

[Sarah Paulson]

Arthur's theme. And she's just, like, out there doing her bits, and it's just like. I was just, like, over. It was like a tsunami of information.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

You got to be, like, encyclopedic about this.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes. And I was just, like, having this knowledge of stuff that, like, none of my friends knew what I was talking about.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. We share that because we got really into. I believe for us, it was 97. So there was the Titanic Oscars, the Monte Cristo era.

[Sarah Paulson]

And he comes out and he's like, boop, boop. And does his thing. He comes off on a horse. He comes out on a horse, and he comes out on a horse. And then he does the thing where he turns it off with the car with little cars.

[Matt Rogers]

So good.

[Bowen Yang]

So good. But see, was the Academy putting this compilation out? Like, who was the publication?

[Sarah Paulson]

I think it's possible that the Academy put it out, But I'm not 100% sure. But I sure can let you know.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause. Thank you. Because the thing is, as you're describing this, it's like, sure. Like, anyone can, like, look up on YouTube, like, these moments, but you need something curating.

[Sarah Paulson]

Exactly. And it is curated, so. And it just goes through and you see everybody's clothing. I mean, I remember having a conversation once with Jessica Lange about the Oscars and fashion at the Oscars, and she said, we used to just. Whomever was doing my costumes on that movie, we would maybe go to the Saks Fifth Avenue and we found a dress. Like, that happened once and another time it was, you know, it's like what it has become. And you can see when you watch this compilation of, like, somebody just pulling some Halston number out or Halston coming up with. I mean, it just. It's just unbelievable to see the way it changes.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Bette Midler just said that on Watch what Happens Live. Cause he was asking her about her nomination for the Rose, and she was like, well, I mean, this is back in the day when, like, you didn't think about what you were wearing. Literally, she went. She was like, I think that was my dress. That I still have.

[Sarah Paulson]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

I went. It was all very new to me. I didn't get the gravity of what it was to be nominated. I enjoyed it, but it's just not the industry it is now.

[Sarah Paulson]

Diane Keaton drove herself to the Academy Awards. You know, it was like that the year she won, it's like parked her car under the Dorothy Chandler Pavilion.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's just like. It's just not. It's just such a different thing now. There was such a purity to it that my initial love. I'm pleased for myself that I was alive during. At a time where I could have had that experience of watching this in a kind of pure way where now it's. I'm not saying it would suck to win an Oscar now at all. I have information about what it was and what it was for people and the importance and the sort of. I mean, the first Academy Awards that were handed out was just like in a room. It wasn't televised and it was like a banquet and it was just. And now it's become this like gold derby race to the top.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

[Sarah Paulson]

And like, it's wild.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, this is what I want to say. Like, there was a. Someone on subway takes recently was like, my take is like, if you have a stylist, that means you're not a stylish person. I'm like, well, no.

[Sarah Paulson]

Interesting.

[Bowen Yang]

And then I think, I think we said that some, some, some, some. Some cool fashion person. And then, and then it was, it was 100% agree. It was just like, oh, but yes, but I see what you're trying to say. But the fact is this is just like another element in this whole total maximalist thing that we have with awards now.

[Sarah Paulson]

And also back then there were fewer things to like, fewer ways to express. Like you maybe. I could say that that might have been true 20 or 30 years ago, but now there is, there's too much stuff.

[Matt Rogers]

Logistics.

[Sarah Paulson]

There's just like too much. Yeah. And like, how would you even know where to begin? Unless you're Kim and you go back through all the archives and you pull. Then she does these things where I'm like, what is this dress? And she's like, 1994 Galliano. And I'm like, oh, I see.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course it is.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm wearing new Celine. But I. Congrats. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

How do you feel though, about like the six month or seven month Oscar race now? Like, I wonder, like, as someone who loves it, because we talk about this a lot.

[Sarah Paulson]

Like, I'm A person who, like, remember from Premier magazine, used to be able to pull out like balor Movie line magazine, Premiere magazine, Remember that you, like, pull out ballots and like. I just love it.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. And I'm one of those people. This is off topic, but I'll get back to your thing, which is I don't want you to talk to me at the Oscars party like, when I'm watching. Have you been to that? Yeah, I'm watching.

[Matt Rogers]

I remember we were there last year.

[Sarah Paulson]

So you go sometimes to the Vanity Fair dinner, which I've been to many times. It's a real honor to be there. I love it. You're with all these incredible people, but people are talking. They be talking. And I'm one of those people who's just like, I really.

[Matt Rogers]

I care a lot about it.

[Sarah Paulson]

About it.

[Bowen Yang]

We're at the finish line and we're.

[Sarah Paulson]

At the finish line and we are waiting for best Actress and they're making us go crazy. And it's just like, I am, you know, the crazy person who does not want to be talked to during an awards ceremony. I want to watch it. People are like, oh, are you bummed you're not going? I'm like, oh, hell no. I'm in my pajamas.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a big deal.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're coming over after. We're gonna go to the party after. But I just wanna watch anyway. The six month run to me is arduous. Yeah, it's very fun. And also, I think sometimes, like, I'm not gonna say who, but I have friends who have gone through this, all of it, and have had like, just the. Just like the thing where you have these hopes.

[Matt Rogers]

I know.

[Sarah Paulson]

These little twinkly dreams and hopes that then get dashed because someone has entered. Wasn't expected. That's now won. The National Board of Review. And does this weaken your chances? Because. And it's just like.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like sports.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like sports now where you're like, well, she won all five things leading up. So the odds of her losing is just really. And then you've got. It just puts everything. Holland Taylor, whom I love obviously very much, who's my partner in life and things in all things that matter to me is always talking about, like, why are we doing this to each other? Because it's so subjective. What is the greatest and why are you turning it into this thing of. This is better than that. All of the things that go into what make a great performance. Like, there's so many variables from the actors. You're working with, to your editors, to the, you know, the movie itself, whether it lands for people, you can be the greatest performance in a movie. If the movie doesn't work, does that ruin your chances? It's like, it's such a really psychotic thing to do to little fragile people. Like performers, I know, like little artists.

[Matt Rogers]

Performers, but not necessarily cut out for.

[Sarah Paulson]

The athletic, for the cutthroat component of it. And I went through that during the Tonys, which to me was the most arduous of them that I had ever been fortunate enough to experience. Because you're actually doing the show while it's happening. And then like, you know, your stage manager will sweetly say, we had 10 voters in tonight. Like after you're done. And you're like, oh fuck. Like. And you're like act two. And then you know exactly, but act two. And I'm like, why are you telling like. And you then start to like, figure out whether or not you thought your performance. That was like every, like, as you get towards the end of your run, you're like, you only have 20 performances left and like it gets sort of stolen from you with the worry and the fear that you had an off night or something that just maybe didn't quite land or the audience was quieter and did that mean that they weren't as into it and it just like. And then you're like out there in the morning doing your like, Good Morning Americas and you're talking to all the people and it's just you've been on vocal rest normally while you were doing.

[Matt Rogers]

Your play for the whole time.

[Sarah Paulson]

And now you're out there, now you're on pounds of steroids and you're campaigning and, and as much as I was happy to do it because I was truly, it was like the seven year old in me was like, I can't believe this is happening to me. It still was also like, woo. Like, and then I also had to deal with my hunger. It made the hunger worse.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's so.

[Sarah Paulson]

It made it worse. Oh, I wanted it and I wanted it very bad.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you.

[Sarah Paulson]

And you deserved it.

[Matt Rogers]

And honestly. And I was gonna say, like, sometimes I feel like for both your Emmy win and your Tony win, you were the front runner. I know. Cause of Gold derby. We were aware like this episode is.

[Bowen Yang]

An ad Gold derby.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. But like, but this is a big part of like what's true got me aspirational about all of this is like. And it felt like going to that site you could be a part of it. And so when they make you the front runner, that feels, like, almost more pressure.

[Sarah Paulson]

I've been the front runner on that gold Derby, and not. It's not. And I've not won. That's happened a couple of times, actually, but, you know, so you kind of have to take it all with it. But it does. It does make. It's like, to me, it's like you're a horse at a race, and you've been running the same race, and, you know, you're doing what you're doing, and all of a sudden they put, like, a carrot in front of you, and then they just keep moving it further and further away. But, like, you're getting closer and closer, and all of a sudden, you're so hungry.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're like, if you don't get me.

[Matt Rogers]

That carrot, I'm gonna die.

[Bowen Yang]

Amy.

[Matt Rogers]

Paula says the cookie in her pocket. Like, I didn't even know the cookie was there.

[Sarah Paulson]

I didn't know that it was there. And now that I know it's there now I really want it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

You know, it's like, it just. It's so funny where all of a sudden, it's the possibility of. It makes you. You absolutely have to have. It fucks up your expectation. It fucks up your expectation. And then it's just.

[Matt Rogers]

He's been nominated five times.

[Sarah Paulson]

Well, the thing about the horse. Have you won?

[Bowen Yang]

I've never won, but the horse is. The horse doesn't know.

[Sarah Paulson]

The horse doesn't know.

[Bowen Yang]

The horse has no idea what the race is.

[Sarah Paulson]

The horse doesn't know what the race is, and the horse is just running it. But you're now atop the horse.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, we know the horse.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're the horse. You were just the horse, but now you're riding on top of the horse, and now you're like, come on, you can do it. And it's like, I'm just. I just want to run the race.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're like, but look at this hoe back. Here she is coming up on my heels, and we got to keep going. And then it puts this whole little thing of competitiveness around it that's just not natural to. Sweet. I've had some friends of mine who've been like, oh, it turned dark.

[Bowen Yang]

It turned dark.

[Sarah Paulson]

It can turn dark.

[Bowen Yang]

Our friend, your friend, I think Cate Blanchett, was on this podcast, and she made some headlines because she just expressed something very similar to this. She was like, I think, what if we did it where it was just like, no cameras around and Then that became a whole story. It's like, oh, no, don't even. This is like someone who has been celebrated by this contraption apparatus multiple times over. And it's like, she must be coming from a place of knowledge about this. Yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's really. I think it just puts a tiny bit of. And I can just hear, like, people groaning, being like, oh, cry me a river. But it's like there's something about an artistic pursuit that is worth celebrating. The pursuit, like, the pursuit is all. And then when you start putting these other things on, starts to become too heavy. Wears the crown, whatever that phrase is, the head, heavy as the head that wears the crown. And it's just like, you want so much to not care. And then if you do care, you care too much. And it just becomes this dizzying, vulnerable making thing that I think we should normalize a little bit, where people are just like, aren't you excited? And you're like, I'm scared. I'm hungry. I'm in this dress all the time. I really want it. I feel like I look old and fat and tired and, you know, just. It's a whole thing.

[Matt Rogers]

We were sitting in that room, and we loved Mikey Madison and Enora, but when Demi Moore lost, it was kind of just like the air left. I remember feeling like I wish we hadn't done anything else.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Sarah Paulson]

I remember being in the audience when Olivia Colman won the Year of Glenn Close and Olivia Colman thing. And there was an audible sound in the audience, and it wasn't because people weren't excited about Olivia Colman, because it's one of the great performances of all time, the favorite. But I think this expectation was Glenn was finally going to get her Oscar.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Her much visual. It was six months of this, and then there she was in this gold gap. It was this incredible. And then it was like a winner. There was a sound, and I remember being like, oh, I can't handle this. This is just.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it was hard.

[Sarah Paulson]

And, you know, I. It just. There's something about it that at the same time, I'm like, I can't wait to campaign for one. It means that. I'm just kidding. That would mean that I was, like, in a movie I was proud of and excited to make it.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I remember you had deserved buzz for, I think, 12 Years a Slave for Carol. I mean, you've been in great films.

[Sarah Paulson]

I've been in some great movies.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

On ebay, every find has a story.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, if you're looking for a vintage Band tee.

[Matt Rogers]

Not just a tea. The band tee from the last show your favorite band ever played.

[Bowen Yang]

You wore it everywhere. Then your boyfriend started wearing it, which.

[Matt Rogers]

Was cute until he dumped you and took it with him, which was not so cute. But he was. I miss him. Anyway, now you're on ebay.

[Bowen Yang]

And there it is. Same tea from the same tour, still living in your memory rent free forever.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, screw you, Dave.

[Bowen Yang]

The things you love have a way of finding their way back to you.

[Matt Rogers]

Except Dave.

[Bowen Yang]

But ebay isn't just forgetting whatever your X EXBFF stole back.

[Matt Rogers]

We miss you. It's also for that rare championship foul ball that you caught, then heroically gave to the kid next to you. You're welcome. Scoot.

[Bowen Yang]

And where else are you gonna find your first car? A RAV4 from 2003.

[Matt Rogers]

The one you wish you never sold, but now finally got the chance back home.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm buying a car on ebay. For good this time.

[Matt Rogers]

Shop ebay for millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a good tagline. No one can resist a rule of culture. So here's one for the dating files. Rule of culture number 72.

[Matt Rogers]

Chemistry isn't just vibes, it's values. Because what's the point of matching with someone if you can't talk about the shows you binge, the books you dog ear, or all the hot takes you'll defend at brunch?

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble. And it makes makes sense. It's not just about matching with someone. It's about finding someone who gets your references, your obsessions, your whole vibe with shared interests and prompts. You don't just see a profile, you get a glimpse of someone's personality. Which makes it even easier to start conversations that actually lead somewhere.

[Matt Rogers]

Plus, with photo and ID verification, you can trust that the person you're talking to is real. With that added peace of mind, it's so much easier to show up as your full self.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

You know, Matt and I weren't super familiar with the off roading game until this summer when we took a Dunes tour and went off road. And now I totally get it. And I envy the adventure that people off road take when they go to the Transamerica Trail.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.

[Matt Rogers]

True. But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.

[Bowen Yang]

Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Right. First, cruise dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?

[Matt Rogers]

Curated dining next.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again, I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, absolutely. The cruises are king, kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grown up fun.

[Matt Rogers]

Nothing against kids. Kids are awesome. But sometimes it's nice to be kid free.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Sarah Paulson]

And you know what?

[Bowen Yang]

I deserve luxury.

[Matt Rogers]

You do? And me too. Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's not all go, go, go, Right?

[Bowen Yang]

You can totally go into relaxation mode, too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views, and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

That's Virgin Voyages.com. what do you think is. Because probably nowadays it's a little bit different than it was, obviously, but. But is it directors that drive you? Cause you're in a lot of great ensembles too.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, I mean, I think the truth is I wish I could pretend that I was the architect of my career in a way. I don't know about you guys, but I often feel like I just sometimes say yes to something that speaks to me, but I'm not always. I've had conversations with Kate about like, she is really thinking about a director and she really. And I do sometimes. But like, I'm mostly just so excited that someone wants me to be there, that if it's something I think I can. I mean, I will say the one thing that I think really drives me is actually the level of terror I have about my ability to do it.

[Matt Rogers]

And that makes you want to? Yes.

[Sarah Paulson]

And the more terrified I am to do it, the more likely I am to say yes. But there's more like hemming and hawing beforehand. And fear is a big motivator for me to do it. And it's surprising to me because I'm a little bit of a nervous Nelly, I would say. It's weird. It's weird for me to be saying that.

[Matt Rogers]

It's true in you reading what's on the page and what is happening in the script makes you nervous? Or is the fear in that you're reading it and you don't get it at first?

[Sarah Paulson]

No, it's my fear. Is that is what I think it is what it is.

[Matt Rogers]

Got it.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like a combination of intellectually, is this hitting where it's. Am I. Do I get what is desired here? Do I know what to do? I mean, I think about this all the time. I haven't auditioned for something in a very, very long time. And I miss it. Because when you walk on a set for a job you've auditioned for, you know that you were there because what you did for this very thing was the thing that they decided they wanted so you don't walk on and going, oh, God. They asked me to be here because of my Marcia Clarke performance, and this is a different piece. Or they want me here because of some other thing they saw. And so then I end up going, I don't know if they know what and who it is and if my take on it is right. I love that feeling of knowing I've earned a job based on what I did for that specific job. And then I feel more confident starting the day. Otherwise, it feels really. I don't know. I just. It ratchets up my terror of failing when I have not earned it. But it might, like, of course, you.

[Bowen Yang]

Know, and then have. Cause this is a thing that I've expressed to, let's say, my team. And they're just like, oh, yeah, sure. I'm like, I would love to, like, please don't ever tell anyone that I don't audition. Like, I don't read for stuff. Or I'd love to read for something. And they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. Still haven't in a while. And I almost kind of want to do it for this exact reason. Has this been a thing that you've talked about with your people where it's like. They're like, no, But, Sarah, I did.

[Sarah Paulson]

Say it recently, I feel like. But on some level now, the other part is everything's happening on Zoom.

[Matt Rogers]

I know.

[Sarah Paulson]

So it's like, I think about the number of jobs that I got in my early career, which were not many, but when I got them, it was because of my experience in the room and a director going, could you try this? And then I did try it. And they either liked it or whatever, but, like. Or my little banter with them as I was leaving the room or whatever it was, it happened because of a personal connection in the room, some sort of thing of. And I remember. Yeah, you collaborated. I remember auditioning for the Goldfinch, which was a movie nobody saw, but one of my favorite books. And I got the job, but the director wouldn't cast me until we had a FaceTime or we were supposed to see each other in person, but we couldn't because he was like, I don't have people on my set. I've never, like, sat down and had a conversation with. Because what if that's a vibe where it's, like, not gonna be great? For a myriad of reasons, but, like, that was the last time I auditioned and the last time I had an experience where a director was like, it's important to me to have actual contact with you before you're on my set, just in case, you know, who knows what other people have? But it makes a lot of sense to me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I think the most important thing that you realize once you start working more is that people just. Just get it and we can move on. So taking a note and applying it quickly is one of the most important.

[Sarah Paulson]

Things, and it's how you can tell that a person can move quickly and think quickly.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Sarah Paulson]

Because that's what you need on a set where you're doing, you know, especially television, it's like you're doing 10 pages of dialogue in a day.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. That's why the self tapes of it all I just think are like, I.

[Sarah Paulson]

Don'T get how anybody gets a job. I don't know how anybody gets a job. I'm just like, the self tape thing is a nightmare. I don't think I've ever met anyone who liked to listen to the sound of their voice, like on a voice memo or on a recording of any kind. It's hard. And then just take your face, blow it up on the thing, and then be like, deal with it. And it's just really.

[Matt Rogers]

Or imagine being like, Yep.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

There are some people, you know, who's like that.

[Sarah Paulson]

Niecy. Niecy Nash is like that. It's like, all I want to do is just a little dose of Niecy Nash, who just is like, I look great. And you're like, you do.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it and you do.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's goddamn right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I'm like, just touch me a little bit. Just let some of it rub off on me.

[Matt Rogers]

Venisi Renaissance.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, the niece getting on was one of. I mean, did you guys. I mean, what can a person do to get. Getting on. Back on the air? Metcalf, the greatest. The greatest actress in the world to me, Laurie Metcalf. Just get it back. Get it back on now.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, we really lost that.

[Sarah Paulson]

Alex Borstein. I mean, so good.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I think TikTok was. Was kind of having fun with the whole, like, when, like, they're trying to. They're talking about the translate.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

The translator.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That was really getting on, like, was what happened right before all three of them popped off again. Because that was right before Lady Bird.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it was before.

[Matt Rogers]

And before Maz and then Niecy in everything.

[Sarah Paulson]

Everything. That's right. Dahmer winning the Emmy. Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

All of it.

[Sarah Paulson]

All of it.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I Love it.

[Sarah Paulson]

I love a Nisi Reynolds.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you have a favorite Oscar win?

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, a favorite Oscar win.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a big question. Well, now that I do. Oh, I've got one.

[Sarah Paulson]

What is yours?

[Bowen Yang]

Mine is a little basic, but it's Julia Roberts and Brockovich. That's just one of my favorite.

[Matt Rogers]

Big movie star performance.

[Bowen Yang]

Big movie star performance. But it was in a grounded Soderbergh thing. Like, I just like that it was.

[Sarah Paulson]

That she won for it.

[Bowen Yang]

She won for it after all of her stuff.

[Sarah Paulson]

God.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm gonna show you this one because it caught me by surprise. But I loved it at the time. I was like, I can't believe they voted for that. And I'm obsessed. That they did was Tilda Swinton and Michael Clayton.

[Sarah Paulson]

She went for Michael Clayton. That's a good one.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you remember at the end of that movie when he's walking away from her because he's told her like, I got you. And she just collapses? I was like, uh huh.

[Bowen Yang]

Fuck yeah. Tilda Swinton.

[Sarah Paulson]

God.

[Matt Rogers]

And Catherine Dana Jones in Chicago because it's so performance. I just love a music. I love when a musical comes through and just perfectly matches.

[Sarah Paulson]

I guess I'm gonna say Jessica Lange in Tootsie.

[Matt Rogers]

There we go.

[Sarah Paulson]

Because it is an extraordinarily special performance and she should have won for Frances.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Now you can't beat Meryl Streep in Sophie's Choice. That was the same year. So Jessica was nominated, I think. Is. Is it possible. Wait, Jessica, Was Jessica nominated for two Academy Awards in the same year?

[Matt Rogers]

I think she may have been one of those. Meryl Streep won for Sophie's Choice and the other nominees. This is good. Jessica Lange, Francis Sissy Spacek. Missing. Deborah Winger, Officer and a Gentleman. And Julie Andrews, Victor Victoria.

[Sarah Paulson]

Right. And did Jessica win for Tootsie that same year for supporting actress?

[Matt Rogers]

Let's look. 1982.

[Bowen Yang]

This awards best supporting actress was Jessica Lego.

[Sarah Paulson]

So I'm right about this. Thank you. I like my Oscars.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you been Louis Vertell?

[Sarah Paulson]

No. Oh, I think I have. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. You guys have the same.

[Sarah Paulson]

I got it in there. I got it in there. And Jessica Lange, I think the reason I think that performance is so underrated and I mean she won an Oscar, so not that underrated, but like in terms of like why people don't necessarily know. It's just playing the girl in a movie like that with Dustin Hoffman being an absolute like next level genius. And to have this sparkly. She was so sparkly and just like. But it was also the juxtaposition of that performance with Frances, which. Her performance in Frances is one of the. For me, unparalleled. I think it's really. And Kim Stanley. Kim Stanley, who is my favorite actress of all time, who played her mother in that movie. Kim Stanley was my wallpaper on my phone for a very long time. And there's a very great book called the Female Brando about Kim Stanley. She's really extraordinary. She did so few movies, but she did a lot of stuff on stage. But she's. Remember, she calls her little sister in that movie. She's her mother. I mean, it's really.

[Bowen Yang]

I've never seen Frances.

[Matt Rogers]

You gotta get it.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, just let's please watch it. And the next time I see you, just tell me that you know what I'm talk. Quiz your ass. Because it's really some of the best acting ever.

[Matt Rogers]

Also, they make so few movies like that now. So right after you. Jennifer Lawrence is coming in and we just watched Die My Alone.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, I can't wait to see it.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like Cassavetes.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Women under the Influence.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, Women under the Influence.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, it's one of those things that's just like.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, like, who won over Jenna Rowlands for Woman under the Influence?

[Bowen Yang]

God, this was 1974.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's the year I was born.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, so.

[Sarah Paulson]

So who won it?

[Matt Rogers]

That was Ellen Burstyn for Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore.

[Sarah Paulson]

Okay, I'm gonna say something really unpopular. Okay, that was incorrect.

[Matt Rogers]

And that was the year after she had lost for the Exorcist.

[Sarah Paulson]

She was excellent in both movies. She was beyond excellent in Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore. Nobody could be better. She's an extraordinary actress. Jenna Rowlands performance in A Woman under the Influence is just like somebody walking a tightrope a thousand miles above sea level. It's just not. It's not normal. I mean, I'm not saying that Ellen Burstyn shouldn't have won an Oscar. I mean, am I gonna go to jail? You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Decades later, she would deserve it for.

[Sarah Paulson]

Requiem beyond the Pale and did not get it. Right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Did not get it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Was she nominated? She was nominated.

[Matt Rogers]

She was nominated. But I believe that was within the year of Helen Hunt. Hold on. Wait, let me see this.

[Sarah Paulson]

Wow. So this is when it gets so crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's so. And this is why Holland's point is to be really, really taken. Truly, how can someone measure that? Alice doesn't live here's performance is better than this. Performance. And that Ellen Burstyn in Requiem does not best Helen Hunt in I Lied.

[Matt Rogers]

Ellen Burstyn lost to Julia Roberts for Aaron brockovich. This was 2000.

[Bowen Yang]

Damn.

[Sarah Paulson]

Well, they put her in lead.

[Matt Rogers]

They did.

[Bowen Yang]

She should have been in supporting.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it was the Ellen Burstyn of it all that made her pushed.

[Sarah Paulson]

She should have been in supporting, and.

[Matt Rogers]

She would have went. Does category fraud drive you crazy?

[Sarah Paulson]

It does, but I feel like I've committed it when. When I feel like on Horror Story once, it's not my fault it gets decided, oh, that they put you in the. I think there was sometimes I was put in lead because I technically qualified to be in it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Because maybe the supporting actor category was gonna be too crowded, so someone at the studio made a decision to put me in the other one. And then I did get nominated in that category. I don't think it was the right thing, but. But I don't like what's the worst. What's the most egregious version of category four?

[Matt Rogers]

You know what's weird? In a reverse way? Anthony Hopkins is only in Silence of the Lambs for a little bit over 10 minutes and won Best Actor.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure. Whoa. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause that movie is all Jodie Foster.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. And she won too, right?

[Bowen Yang]

She did.

[Matt Rogers]

It is what it is. I understand why it happens.

[Sarah Paulson]

I understand why it happens too. But it's just. This is why we should just abolish it all by.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, that is when Kate was getting up.

[Sarah Paulson]

Just like, have a party. Everybody's nominated. You all get your certificate. Everybody should get a statue.

[Bowen Yang]

You get your Oscar first, and then we'll evaluate exactly.

[Sarah Paulson]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

This is my thing, because I do.

[Matt Rogers]

Agree it's getting weird, especially, like the Golden Globes or whatever. But, like, the comedy drama placements, like the Emmys, it's like, okay. Some of these things that go cold comedies, it's, like, so silly. I almost feel like everyone shows up to the awards and it's a surprise.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, five awards get given out. You know what I mean?

[Sarah Paulson]

They're like. And we were just.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. What?

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes. I think that's really true.

[Matt Rogers]

Something should change.

[Sarah Paulson]

Something should change.

[Bowen Yang]

This is why we have our fake Goofy Fun award show, which I wanted.

[Sarah Paulson]

To go to this past year, but I was out of town. But I wanted to go desperately. Really wanted to go.

[Bowen Yang]

If we get our. If we have our druthers, we do it as many years as they let us.

[Sarah Paulson]

And why wouldn't they let you do it again and again? Wasn't it a delicious Success.

[Matt Rogers]

It was fun, but we, you know how it is. But basically, like, we, when we were reaching out to people for the Culture Awards, we didn't know who was actually out of town or who was like.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, no, I wasn't in town. I would have 100 been there.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, well, 100% next year.

[Matt Rogers]

Allegedly next year. Another really good title of that.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

But anyway, you're right. I mean, I think we've actually gotten. This is helpful information because I think when Kate was here and talking about this, like, of course the nuance got taken out of it for the headline.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yes.

[Bowen Yang]

But I think this, like, let's please, y', all ews and ETS of the.

[Sarah Paulson]

World, let's just really, like, let's rein it in.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's rein it and do this conversation justice. You know what I mean?

[Sarah Paulson]

I think it's because we care.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't like, it's because we care about it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Because it matter. It does matter to me in the sense that like little me watched the Tony Awards, watched the Oscars, watched the Emmys, like, I watched them, like, was obsessed with them and planned out political and mapped out.

[Matt Rogers]

And you wanna know why we have Viola Davis today being a lead actress? Because she was nominated for Doubt. Because there was room for her. Correct. In a supportive category that allowed a nine minute performance that was that outstanding to be nominated. And so now she is the powerhouse Viola Davis that we have because she was an Oscar nominee.

[Sarah Paulson]

I have a whole thing that I want to do with petitioning SAG about this because I really feel that the SAG awards in particular, they do everything. Everybody goes into one category. Supporting actors are in the leading. Like, you can't. But why lump in? It's like also all the supporting actors, there is nothing. It's like the buttress of a building. It's like the building cannot stand without. It's like you need all of it. And I just feel like there's a real diminishment of a supporting actor by way of not giving space, room and opportunity. And also the career change that it can affect. If all of a sudden you give a nine minute performance in something that is outstanding, and then you find yourself in the same conversation with these actors who have been around forever and who you all of a sudden have an opportunity to make a better living, you get more opportunity. It's just about the opportunity. So it's like.

[Matt Rogers]

And then within 15 years, you fully egot.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's right.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean?

[Sarah Paulson]

If you're Viola Davis, if you're Viola Davis.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Which there are.

[Bowen Yang]

So.

[Matt Rogers]

There are so many talented people out there, like, that deserve the supporting stuff. Drives me nuts. Cause I'm like, that's where the character actors get the job.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's where sometimes the best work is happening.

[Bowen Yang]

100% agree.

[Matt Rogers]

Every time I do. Just before we go, wanna connect you guys on the Studio 60 on SNL.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause that was such an incredible show. Undersung show. And your performance in that, I think really put you on the map in 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 ways. You know what I mean?

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, it did explain. Except for. Yeah, I think a lot of people didn't think I was funny on it.

[Bowen Yang]

Which is.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it was like a drama of.

[Sarah Paulson]

A drama, but it was a dramedy. And also, like, Aaron wasn't like, didn't Aaron, who is Aaron Sorkin, who is a genius.

[Bowen Yang]

Genius.

[Sarah Paulson]

But, like, didn't have any writers there doing any sketch writing. He was doing all of it. So based on. Some of the things I did in my audition were like, I imitated this person and I imitated that person, and I could do my impressions and things, but it wasn't. It just didn't really become about that, you know. But like, also, every single time my character came on screen, it was like somebody was talking about how this, like, I was the Kristen Wiig of the show. Like the world's, you know, Gilda Ratner, like the funniest guest performer. And then, like, they never gave me any sketches to do. And then like. So people were like, we don't sketch.

[Matt Rogers]

An amazing dramatic performance.

[Sarah Paulson]

Exactly. And they're like, what is this? But, you know, I was really playing Kristin Chenoweth, who was Aaron Sorkin's love at the time. And so, like, that was its. You know. Yeah, it was just a. So she was conservative and Matthew Perry was playing this sort of Aaron character. And it was just really. And I thought that show was gonna last forever.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Because it was right after Friends, right after the West Wing. And it was like, well, look at me walking up to this, right in this moment. And then sure enough. Yeah, sure enough, nobody cared.

[Bowen Yang]

What year did you move to LA?

[Sarah Paulson]

After I moved to LA in 1998.

[Bowen Yang]

She. Great year.

[Sarah Paulson]

It seems like 1988.

[Bowen Yang]

1999.

[Sarah Paulson]

98. 98. 98.

[Matt Rogers]

I think Hollywood was when. Hollywood.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's like I kind of miss, like, back in the day, like when we were coming up, I was like, okay, like, pilot season.

[Sarah Paulson]

Pilot season.

[Matt Rogers]

1 1/2 in. And then it died.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Because I moved out there what? 2018?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

No, we were still pilot season serious and, like, seeing all the same girls at every single audition. And, like, going into, like, I remember when I went to test for down with Love, this movie I did with. Oh, yes. And it was like Tina Fey, me and Alison Janney and Courtney Cox. It was just like. And like, pulling up and seeing so and so walk to their car. And Zach Braff was in there reading with a bunch of people. And then this one came in to read with this one, and then it was just like something glamorous. It was like, oh, it was a very different thing. And they were mixing and matching and putting different people. And it was a whole thing where you would, like, be confronted with your competition and you learn a lot. And, you know, remember testing for a pilot against Hilary Swank, like, oh, yeah. It was like a real. There was like a sea of us. And now, like, we never see everybody anymore except for, like, we don't see each other in the trenches anymore. It used to be like, look at us all out here. Like, we were in our bathrooms this morning, like, la la la. Putting on our makeup and running our lines and in the car practicing your stuff and then getting there and asking for a highlighter and, you know, you know, all that stuff. Signing in and seeing who had been there before you and. And those days are gone.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, The La La Land. The La La Land is not saying anymore.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, exactly. I never needed anyone.

[Bowen Yang]

There was a time when I would be in multiple waiting rooms for auditions with, for some reason, Leslie Bibb. And I'm like, ellen, Oh, I love that. The two of us being like, we.

[Sarah Paulson]

Weren'T up for the same cards, so Leslie Bibb.

[Bowen Yang]

Also, for me and Leslie Bibb to be in the same audition, we were like, hilarious again and again. But I was like, she would never remember this, but it's like, I'm sorry.

[Sarah Paulson]

I bet she would remember. I bet she would remember that.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so.

[Matt Rogers]

She's so cool.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's cool. She's the coolest.

[Matt Rogers]

On ebay, every find has a story.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, if you're looking for a vintage.

[Matt Rogers]

Band tea, not just at the band te from the last show your favorite band ever played.

[Bowen Yang]

He wore it everywhere. Then your boyfriend started wearing it, which.

[Matt Rogers]

Was cute until he dumped you and took it with him, which was not so cute, but he was. I missed. I miss him. Anyway, now you're on ebay.

[Bowen Yang]

And there it is. Same tea from the same tour. Still living in your memory rent free forever.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, screw you, Dave.

[Bowen Yang]

The Things you love have a way of finding their way back to you.

[Matt Rogers]

Except Dave.

[Bowen Yang]

But ebay isn't just forgetting whatever your ex XBFF stole back.

[Matt Rogers]

We miss you. It's also for that rare championship foul ball that you caught, then heroically gave to the kid next to you. You're welcome. Scoot.

[Bowen Yang]

And where else are you gonna find your first car? A RAV4 from 2003.

[Matt Rogers]

The one you wish you never sold, but now. Finally got the chance to home.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm buying a car on ebay for good this time.

[Matt Rogers]

Shop ebay for millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a good tagline. No one can resist a rule of culture. So here's one for the dating files. Rule of culture number 72.

[Matt Rogers]

Chemistry isn't just vibes, it's values. Because what's the point of matching with someone if you can't talk about the shows you binge, the books you dog ear, or all the hot takes you'll defend at brunch?

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, you definitely have friends who have met their partners on Bumble. And it makes sense. It's not just about matching with someone. It's about finding someone who gets your references, your obsessions, your whole vibe with shared interests and prompts. You don't just see a profile, you get a glimpse of someone's personality. Which makes it even easier to start conversations that actually lead somewhere.

[Matt Rogers]

Plus, with photo and ID verification, you can trust that the person you're talking to is real. With that added peace of mind, it's so much easier to show up as your full self.

[Bowen Yang]

So whether your rule of culture is the best first date, start with the shared hot take on Renaissance or compatibility is having the same hometown bodega order download Bumble and turn the those connections into something bigger.

[Matt Rogers]

Download Bumble and start your love story. Ever heard of the Transamerica Trail? It's America's longest off road Trail. A 5,900 plus mile coast to coast monster. And now for the first time, Ford and Google Maps are bringing the full Transamerica Trail to Street View. It's one of America's most epic off road adventures. And now every adventurer can plan, preview and explore it themselves. How did they do it? By equipping the 2025 Ford Bronco Badlands with Google's new Street View camera. While the Expedition Tremor and Ranger Lariat carried the team and tools made it all possible.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, Matt and I weren't super familiar with the off roading game until this summer when we Took a Dunes tour and went off road. And now I totally get it. And I envy the adventure that people off road take when they go down the Transamerica Trail.

[Matt Rogers]

I may never drive on a road again. So whether you're planning to trek across the country or head out on a weekend adventure, scout out the trail on.

[Bowen Yang]

Street view, explore, challenge yourself and let your Ford handle the rest.

[Matt Rogers]

The trail's waiting. You win.

[Bowen Yang]

Find the Transamerica Trail on Google Maps and hit the off road. Ready? Set. Forward.

[Matt Rogers]

Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time. True.

[Matt Rogers]

But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.

[Bowen Yang]

Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Ready? First cruise. Dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?

[Matt Rogers]

Curated dining. Next.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again. I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, absolutely. The cruises are kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grownup fun.

[Matt Rogers]

Nothing against kids. Kids are awesome. But sometimes it's nice to be kid free.

[Bowen Yang]

And there's so much included value. Over $1,000, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Over $1,000 of awesomeness, all included. Wi fi soda, top tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants and even group fitness classes. No hidden fees, no surprise charges. Virgin Voyages gives you the kind of luxury you actually deserve.

[Sarah Paulson]

And you know what?

[Bowen Yang]

I deserve luxury.

[Matt Rogers]

You do? And me too.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. There's always something happening on board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties and more. Boredom doesn't board the ship.

[Matt Rogers]

And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's not all go, go, go.

[Bowen Yang]

Right? You can totally go into relaxation mode too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship? The brilliant lady. Brilliant name by the way. She's Bigger, bolder, and packed with even more virgin wow factor.

[Bowen Yang]

Book [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor.

[Matt Rogers]

That's virginvoyages.com it might be time.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

This is our one minute segment where we take take exactly that amount of time to dress something down in culture that's got us twisted and it's. We've come to the reality portion of the episode because I got a bone to pick with an icon.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. This is now a bone to pick with. I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Jeff Probst, you're not gonna get away with calling Parvati shallow a one and a half time winner of Survivor. Incorrect. She won two times. She won Micronesia and you know that.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

And she just won Australian Survivor, which is, I'm gonna say it, not only more difficult version of Survivor, but a better produced vers version of Survivor.

[Bowen Yang]

The best season of Survivor.

[Matt Rogers]

American Survivor. You better get it together because they are lapping you. They are outclassing you around the world. Do not play with me about Parv.

[Bowen Yang]

Don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't fuck with Parv.

[Bowen Yang]

30 seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

I've got a lot to say about the amount of twists in the show. I'm a diehard fan of the show for years and I just. I don't think it's getting better. So for you to pick on one of the great iconic winners of the show just because she went and did traitors and that pisses off me. You off. Don't show. Don't show that you're insecure, Jeff. Oh, no. Because I will get you on this podcast. I don't think so, honey. Nothing but respect for the queen Parvati. Love ya.

[Bowen Yang]

Love you. That's one minute. Listen.

[Sarah Paulson]

That is a tough act to follow. I mostly, like, really liked your energy. I really like. I just. Yeah, I don't like it.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you a Survivor person?

[Sarah Paulson]

In the beginning I watched Survivor.

[Matt Rogers]

You're a housewives person.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm a housewives person in a major way.

[Bowen Yang]

What are your recent thoughts?

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, I'm obsessed with Salt Lake. I think I don't know what anybody. What I did to deserve it, but I am for it.

[Bowen Yang]

What did any of us do?

[Sarah Paulson]

What did we do? Because this is giving me. I don't know what's going on with Lisa Barlow. I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

She's going through something.

[Sarah Paulson]

Something is really going through something. And the stuff with her and John, I'm a little bit like, what is that going to be? Credit card fraud? We don't know. Whatever's happening with Bronwyn, I don't know. That came out of nowhere. And some is sealed and we can't discuss it. She was saying. And I was like, what is sealed? She's like, it's sealed.

[Matt Rogers]

It's probably because something happened.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, but like, what? Like, how Identity. Like, what would that like, I think you can surprise yourself with, like, what is categorized as, like, male fraud identity. Like, some things are weird and it might be something weird.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you're a lawyer now.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm Esquire now. But I'm just saying Carrington Lane would definitely know and she. Yeah, she wouldn't be friends with any of them. She would hate them all.

[Matt Rogers]

She would hate them all.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. Maybe she'd hang out with Mary a little bit. And I can't figure out, why does Angie talk so slow? Why does Angie having a thing with Angie? I like Angie.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, you are my closest friend, right? And I'm like, also, did you notice this about her? Something that's become very apparent is that the way she turns the side eye is very good.

[Bowen Yang]

Someone did a super kind of thing. Angie K. Our favorite. Our favorite.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah. I love Angie K. But, like, why are we. Why is everything. And when she thinks she's giving a very, like, a big diss, it's like she does it in this way that is so normal. Like, you are the Jen Shaw. I mean, you're like, is that supposed to be like a gauntlet thrown? Like, what are we throwing down? I can't. It's just. But I am. The way I eat it up, of course. I just can't get enough of it.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that Angie K. Solidified, obviously, High body count hair was great.

[Sarah Paulson]

High body count hair.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what doesn't get respected? Trampoline with eyes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Trampoline with eyes.

[Matt Rogers]

Trampling with eyes.

[Sarah Paulson]

Trampling with eyes is so good. High body count here, but trampling with eyes. But also, I mean, I just watched the one with Brittany and her daughter, and that was. I just want to bring it down for one second and just say, this is really. I felt sad because what I can't understand about Brittany is why she's always like, okay, yeah, everything's like, I know. I do. When Whitney was like, you should want to deal with your daughter, she's like, I do. I do. And I'm just like, something. Is everything okay with Brittany?

[Bowen Yang]

It has to cut through a lot of noise. That has been like, you mean the.

[Sarah Paulson]

Sound of, like, a flatline.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, it's like an emotional flatline.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's like an emotional flatline. It's like, hello, is this on?

[Bowen Yang]

Someone's there.

[Sarah Paulson]

Her daughter's like, I just. And the idea that she was this great mom and that, like, it's almost. It's really hard when you have. When you're 12 and, like, you lose your mother to another person who isn't even your dad.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. A guy who's obviously, like, love bombing.

[Sarah Paulson]

And gaslighting her again.

[Matt Rogers]

A total narcissist. Narcissist. They gave her daughter a confessional. I thought that was giving a friend of's daughter a confessional, but I feel.

[Sarah Paulson]

Like Britney isn't a friend of anymore. I feel like something's happening to us where we're being given more Britney.

[Matt Rogers]

She's main cast.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's main cast now, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Absolutely. I think she's at the spot.

[Matt Rogers]

She deserves this spot.

[Bowen Yang]

I think for her to really, like, have a footprint on that show with that cast, that stacked cast, I think she deserves it. Why not?

[Sarah Paulson]

Okay. Is there anybody you'd pull away?

[Matt Rogers]

Ooh, this is so hard.

[Bowen Yang]

Really tough.

[Matt Rogers]

I wouldn't do that now.

[Bowen Yang]

I wouldn't do that.

[Sarah Paulson]

Not.

[Matt Rogers]

You want to know what? Maybe last year I thought Whitney felt absent.

[Sarah Paulson]

Agreed.

[Matt Rogers]

But this year, I think she's.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm really into Whitney right now. I'm into, like, her being, like, everything fell apart also. What about. It's the way she says, oh, God, what is this?

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no.

[Sarah Paulson]

She says, I fell. Everything is. Instead of feel, it's fell. I fell. And he tells. It's my helling journey.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm still healing.

[Bowen Yang]

Who are you on recently on Watch what happen? Who have your most?

[Sarah Paulson]

I'm going on on Wednesday with Bronwyn.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm on December with Angie, and he's been on with Angie. So we share.

[Sarah Paulson]

Angie, Angie K. I was on with Heather Gay Lisa, Rinna, Dorinda, who still to this day, to me is, like, iconic.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

We recently sent a picture. In fact, it was as recent as last night of Dorinda and Luanne together. And all I can say is that the photo had sexual energy.

[Sarah Paulson]

Okay. Well, Luann came to my. Both of them came to my play. Luann came to my play. And that was something. Yeah, that was something. She is really something.

[Matt Rogers]

She's a star.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's a star.

[Matt Rogers]

Definitely.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, she sang a little bit for me.

[Matt Rogers]

Did she?

[Sarah Paulson]

She did.

[Matt Rogers]

At your show.

[Sarah Paulson]

At my show. Because a friend of mine is at my friend Carla Gallo is obsessed with her, and I videoed her, and it was like she thought she was doing a cameo is what it felt like. She was like, darling, darling cat.

[Matt Rogers]

She's doing so many step.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I was like, it's just my friend on Facebook. It's really not, but. But I was here for it.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you ever gotten a Housewives cameo? No, Joel.

[Sarah Paulson]

Like, Jamie Lee. Jamie Lee Curtis style. And, like, over there with, like. Remember when she went on. Do you remember when Jamie Le Curtis.

[Matt Rogers]

When she went on Beverly Hills?

[Sarah Paulson]

She went on Beverly Hills and she, like, brought her my hand in yours.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, like a cameo. Like. Like. Like a. Like a cave.

[Bowen Yang]

Like a video message.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no, I'm all on that.

[Sarah Paulson]

No, no one's ever said that to me, but I'm relying on you to do that.

[Matt Rogers]

We won't do that for you. I'll pick. Who.

[Sarah Paulson]

Who would that be?

[Matt Rogers]

We got one from Dorinda Dolkin. Booster sent us one so that he could ask us to be in his wedding party. And I got Dolores Catania.

[Sarah Paulson]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bowen Yang]

Love. Amazing. Love, Dolores.

[Sarah Paulson]

I just love the Housewives. I'm very grateful for them, too. I mean, they used to help me survive. A JetBlue flight to New York is really how I started it when I would watch the OC from the beginning, and just like, five hours later, I'd be like, in New York. Don't want to get off the plane.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. I'm glued.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah, I'm glued.

[Bowen Yang]

I always appreciated your. Your love for Bravo and Housewives vis a vis you being this incredible actor, because I was just like, well, it has to be. It has to perform.

[Sarah Paulson]

There's some part of me that is really fascinated by, you know, the thing you think when you read something and you go, no one would ever do this. Who would behave this way? And you're like, oh, no. There is no end to what people will do or how they will behave. And the minute you decide that, it's like an impossibility. It's like, all the more. And this show, to me is like evidence of that on a daily basis. And I'm just fascinated by.

[Matt Rogers]

You couldn't make up Jen Shaw.

[Sarah Paulson]

No. You couldn't make up Jenshaw. You couldn't make up Bronwyn. You couldn't make up Mary. You couldn't make up any of that.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Sarah Paulson]

You certainly couldn't make up Meredith. Their head's, like, over here. Like, why is it on the side? Why is it on the side?

[Bowen Yang]

We rewatched this Weekend in the Morning we just did. You can leave. Palm Springs. Security secure can leave.

[Matt Rogers]

If you're looking for the best episode of Housewives, that is all tricks, no trust. In that season, the Palm Springs episode at the Trixie Motel.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I did ask Heather Gay directly if she was peeing or if that was vomit.

[Bowen Yang]

Both.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's both.

[Bowen Yang]

She's not sure.

[Matt Rogers]

She don't remember.

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't think she remembers, but she's a friend, I think. Yeah, I. She thinks it was vomit, and I think it was too liquid.

[Matt Rogers]

It was coming.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think it was also coming from so low. I just feel like it was. She was like. The way it was coming out. The force. Force. Like, yeah, yeah. The pressure was, like, too low. For if it came that high, if it came up from high, and it would have been viscousy. And it also would have, like, lost its power down and it had a lot of force.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think we should revisit it because we're scientists.

[Matt Rogers]

We literally, like, I would watch it once a week. Also, our friend Jared watches the O.C.

[Bowen Yang]

Reunion.

[Matt Rogers]

That's about Brooks. He, like, watches it to go to bed.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. That's his.

[Sarah Paulson]

Who's, like.

[Matt Rogers]

He can't, like, do it unless it's the Not. Unless that thing is on, like, Vicky's daughter. Oh, God, what's her name? Jesus. Coming out. And, like, whenever.

[Bowen Yang]

That's my opinion. Whatever.

[Matt Rogers]

A conflict between a mother and their child on a reunion, I'm like, oh, it's too good. It's gone too far. But I love it more.

[Sarah Paulson]

I love it.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you ready?

[Bowen Yang]

I've got a simple one, straightforward.

[Matt Rogers]

This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time will begin now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so. Many movie theater seats costing the same across the board in the same room. If it's front two rows, it better not cost anything more than $5. Let's say if I'm on the sides, it should be a little bit cheaper.

[Sarah Paulson]

If you.

[Bowen Yang]

If it's centered, should be more expensive. Let's tier them out like theater. I'm not saying we, like, price, stratify this in a certain way, but I'm just saying let's treat it like a theater because that's what it is. Let's give it orchestra seating. Not that there's an orchestra, but there are certain seats that are objectively better than others in the theater. We should pay accordingly. Make them more affordable for some people.

[Matt Rogers]

Make them.

[Bowen Yang]

If the theater has a center aisle, then we forget about it. Unless you let's just call the whole thing off. Let's just shut it down.

[Matt Rogers]

But I'm saying if movie theater seats.

[Bowen Yang]

Are all priced the same, then that just kind of flattens the experience of movie going at all.

[Sarah Paulson]

Let's just.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's just. Let's give it some meaning. Let's give it some interest again. I think five seconds wouldn't save the industry, but it could go towards helping it. That's one minute.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute.

[Sarah Paulson]

I 1000% agree with you. Right?

[Bowen Yang]

It's common sense.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's common sense.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on.

[Sarah Paulson]

And I would pay the extra for it. Or I would also be like, if it's the front two rows, I don't wanna pay. Whatever.

[Bowen Yang]

Sometimes that's all that's left. And I'm like, well, I'm not paying.

[Sarah Paulson]

$15 for my neck and to need a massage afterwards.

[Bowen Yang]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

Also, I have an issue with. This is about theater. But previews those tickets costing the same as during the run because it was gypsy.

[Bowen Yang]

And look how that turned out.

[Matt Rogers]

I saw the third preview. It was not ready. You know who was ready?

[Bowen Yang]

Audra, of course.

[Matt Rogers]

Audra was perfect.

[Bowen Yang]

Never not.

[Matt Rogers]

But the thing is, I was just like. And then I heard it got so much better. I did end up seeing it, like, again. I heard it got better, so I went again. And I was like, see? Now this justifies the price.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yep. Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

All right, my turn. Are you ready? This is the opportunity for you to shred.

[Bowen Yang]

You ready?

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't like the pressure, but I've got some shit to say.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

This is Sarah Paulson's. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now, okay?

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't think so, honey. That the pigeon is a rat with wings. I feel very, very triggered by this. I want you to understand something about a pigeon. Pigeons have been taught to be near us, to carry our messages to our loved ones. Pigeons have been. They mate for life. First of all, they are not dirty. We made them our city dwellers so that we could get them to take information to faraway lands, to stop wars, to tell somebody you love them. They were our messengers of our heart, our minds, our brains. It was their job to do work for us. And we have had them. Now in the city, people step on them. People run them over. They don't care. They don't feed them. They give them their traps. They talk about them the way they are talked about, the way they are talked about. They are talked about as if they are disgusting. Yes, they mate for life. They're doves. I Watched a pigeon. I watched a pigeon make a nest for a cat just out of the goodness of its heart. You know what? That cat didn't try to eat that pigeon. That pigeon hate must be stopped. I'm calling on the world to stop hating on the pigeon.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute.

[Sarah Paulson]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

This is a movement, not a moment.

[Bowen Yang]

This is a movement, not a moment. What the fuck did pigeons ever do?

[Sarah Paulson]

Pigeons didn't do anything to you. Yeah, pigeons.

[Matt Rogers]

They're not seagulls.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're not seagulls. They're not. They are not seagulls.

[Matt Rogers]

They're not.

[Sarah Paulson]

And they would never take your bagel. They don't want your bagel.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Sarah Paulson]

They want to sit on your shoulder and they want you to tell them about your day. That's what they want. And then if you would like to go give a message to Matthew across town, they will happily take it. They will take it there and they will deliver it to him in a scroll. You could write it up. They'll take it in there.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, do that.

[Sarah Paulson]

Send a carrier pigeon to give him the next message.

[Bowen Yang]

Just.

[Sarah Paulson]

Let's put the pigeons back to work. They need to work.

[Bowen Yang]

They need to work.

[Sarah Paulson]

Tuppence a bag, Tuppence a bag, tuppence. Tuppence a bag, tuppence.

[Bowen Yang]

They're doves.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're doves.

[Matt Rogers]

And you wouldn't do this to doves.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're doves in a beautiful, iridescent, like, mauvey eggplant gorgeous thing with a little bit of green on their head. They love each other forever. They pick a person and love each other forever. How could we treat them so terribly?

[Bowen Yang]

How could we treat them so terribly?

[Matt Rogers]

They're monogamous.

[Sarah Paulson]

They're monogamous.

[Matt Rogers]

Monogamous people.

[Sarah Paulson]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm about to cry.

[Sarah Paulson]

Love appears.

[Bowen Yang]

Guess what? I grew up with Grand Theft Auto 4. There is a whole side mission in that game where y' all know what I'm talking about. Flying rats.

[Sarah Paulson]

Nick knows flying rats and their pigeons.

[Bowen Yang]

You have to go shoot them. I've been incentivized to shoot these birds.

[Sarah Paulson]

Next time you look at that bird in life, just remember that pigeon used to do your work for you. That pigeon sent a text for you, sent your email, delivered it lovingly. Bless the pigeons.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're welcome.

[Matt Rogers]

Bless the pigeons.

[Sarah Paulson]

Bless the pigeons.

[Matt Rogers]

A third option for title of that. He didn't think we'd have this many.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow, that was amazing. This is a true. I mean, I felt like in an extended conversation with you, I'm like, oh, this is a real savant of the culture of the industry.

[Sarah Paulson]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you for sharing these opinions.

[Sarah Paulson]

Interesting. I just really.

[Matt Rogers]

You love the film.

[Bowen Yang]

I love.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, we know when Crista Milioti won the Emmy for the I love acting. And she screamed, I love acting. And I swear to God, I went like this out of my chair. I levitated. Cause it was like there was a person saying what is in my heart out loud and being celebrated for it. And it's like puts her hand in the air and is like, woo. Wooing to. I love acting. It's like she rocks. She just rocks the kasbah and every other casbah. Whatever. Anybody rocks.

[Matt Rogers]

She rocks the casa.

[Sarah Paulson]

She rocks every time. Always and always has and has the voice of an angel. Did you see her just like, next level. She's next level in every way.

[Matt Rogers]

She's the coolest.

[Sarah Paulson]

She's the coolest person that was able to stand there and say, I love acting. And I swear to God, I was like, everything's gonna be okay.

[Bowen Yang]

That's my shit.

[Sarah Paulson]

That's my shit. And I was like, I feel seen. I know who I am in the world when a person can do that. And people are excited about it. And so I just feel, like, normalizing excitement about what you love. I don't care how silly someone could say, besides, it is. And it's so cringe because you love it. It's like, you know what's cringe? Thinking everything's so uncool. I'm just like, guess what's cool? Being passionate is cool. Loving what you do is cool. Recognizing that you get to do something that you love and that people are like, yes, you get to do it. And I'm like, I know how lucky I am. I have friends who are more talented than I could ever dream of being who do not have jobs.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on.

[Sarah Paulson]

So just love it. Love it. Cause you get to do it. Love it. If you don't get to do it. Just keep loving it.

[Matt Rogers]

And you know who's loving it?

[Bowen Yang]

It?

[Matt Rogers]

All of you. Because you're probably streaming. All's fair, I guess. At least one episode is out now.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And this three.

[Sarah Paulson]

I think three are out now. First three come. First three.

[Matt Rogers]

You want three?

[Sarah Paulson]

Because basically the beginning is, like, letting you know who everybody is. And that takes a minute. And then you got to get into it. So you got to, like, ride past one. Learn who we all are.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Sarah Paulson]

Get ready.

[Matt Rogers]

Get to know.

[Bowen Yang]

Basically.

[Sarah Paulson]

Basically, like, I don't know if you've seen the trailer, but the trailer is Like.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, it's this much.

[Sarah Paulson]

It's a quarter.

[Matt Rogers]

It's this much. It's a lot.

[Sarah Paulson]

And it's a lot.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what?

[Sarah Paulson]

That's what I want out of the show.

[Matt Rogers]

Maximalism.

[Sarah Paulson]

You're going to get maximalism. There's nothing about this that is. I mean, I call Kim Kardashian beef curtains on national television as you walk.

[Bowen Yang]

Through a vaginal hallway.

[Sarah Paulson]

I walk through a cervical. A clown cervix.

[Bowen Yang]

A clown service. That's what you say. Emerald green.

[Sarah Paulson]

Emerald green.

[Matt Rogers]

And I call.

[Sarah Paulson]

I call Glenn Close, George Washington on national television. What more do you want? What more do you want?

[Matt Rogers]

We Love it.

[Sarah Paulson]

Mayor McKay. Head cheese. I call them that, too. I mean, like, it's really good stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

Head cheese. I don't want to ever hear head cheese on a TV show except if it's all fair.

[Sarah Paulson]

I mean, I'm mayor, Make head cheese.

[Matt Rogers]

And with that, we end every episode with a song. Why is it this. Do you know this song? There's always tomorrow when dreams will come true.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Why is it that?

[Sarah Paulson]

I don't know, but it was an episode of Saturday Night Live with Kristen Wiig and Fred Armisen doing the thing where they were trying to sing the songs together and they don't know the songs. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep, it was that.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that was.

[Bowen Yang]

Bye. Las Colta Ristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big money players in iHeartRadio.

[Matt Rogers]

Podcasts created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos, edited.

[Bowen Yang]

And mixed by Duck Bain.

[Matt Rogers]

And our music is by Henry Kabursky. Six friends, one dinner, and then the bill. It's chaos. Oysters for the table. Cocktails were basically water. The total Manhattan rent.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Because the Klarna card isn't background, it's the main character. And when the bill hits, you don't need a calculator. You need the Klarna card.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

From earning miles on reloads for coffee runs, shopping and things you do every day to connecting you to new experiences. A SkyMiles membership fits your lifestyle, letting you do more of what makes you you.

[Matt Rogers]

It's more than travel. It's the membership that flies, dines, streams, rides, and arrives with with you.

[Bowen Yang]

Because when you have a membership that's as unique as you are, there's no telling where your journey will take you next. Learn [e-mail] SkyMiles want to tackle one.

[Matt Rogers]

Of America's most epic off road adventures? Well, Ford and Google Maps just trekked over 5,900 miles to put the Transamerica Trail on Street View. So every adventurer can explore the trail.

[Bowen Yang]

How'd they do it? By equipping the 2025 Ford Bronco Badlands with Google's new Street View camera, while the Expedition Tremor and Ranger Lariat carried the team and tools that made it all all possible.

[Matt Rogers]

So challenge yourself. See what you're capable of. Let your forward handle the rest.

[Bowen Yang]

Find the Transamerica Trail on Google Maps and hit the off road. Ready? Set Forward.

[Matt Rogers]

The cuffing season storm is rolling in with potential heavy clouds of nostalgia for your ex, windstorms from our current situationship and some light dribbles of you up texts. You know them. You love them. But amidst this emotional weather, there's one place with a refreshing microclimate of clear communication, radical honesty and open mindedness. And that's Field.

[Bowen Yang]

Field is a connections app that asks you to show up and articulate your desires as you understand them. And if you don't understand them, say that. The Field community is made up of so many different kinds of people ranging in experience, interests and desires. With Field you have the space to change, to be honest, and to always be curious.

[Matt Rogers]

So expand your curiosity. There are over 20 sexuality and gender identities listed on Field and you can change on Field.

[Bowen Yang]

Who you were yesterday may not be who you are today. 62% of field members evolve their sexuality, interests and desires within the first year on the app.

[Matt Rogers]

See what you have in common with everybody else on Field. Know what you're looking for. Field just rolled out their shared desires feature that immediately shows you what you have in common with someone else.

[Bowen Yang]

That's F E E L D Download Field on the App Store or Google Play.

[Sarah Paulson]

This is an I Heart Podcast.