"Do You Want To Be My Friend?" (w/ Liz Feldman)

Summary

Episode Summary: "Do You Want To Be My Friend?" (w/ Liz Feldman)
Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Released on March 5, 2025

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1. Celebrating Milestones

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang kick off the episode by celebrating Matt's 35th birthday and the podcast's nine-year anniversary. They don matching knits, a visual testament to their strong friendship and commitment to the show.

Matt Rogers [02:05]: "You think 35 feels like the right age for you… I think 35 looks good on you."

2. Introducing Liz Feldman

The hosts warmly welcome their special guest, Liz Feldman, creator of Dead to Me and collaborator on No Good Deed. They share anecdotes about how Matt auditioned for Liz's show, emphasizing the importance of authentic connections.

Liz Feldman [05:48]: "Thrilled to be here."

3. The Importance of Friendship and Authenticity

A significant portion of the conversation revolves around the challenges of making friends in midlife. Liz shares her experiences from the writers' room of Dead to Me, highlighting how genuine relationships are foundational to meaningful work.

Liz Feldman [11:28]: "When you used to ask the question, 'Do you want to be my friend?' on the playground… it felt so intimate and pure."

4. The Cultural Impact of "The L Word"

Liz delves into the influence of The L Word on her personal and professional life. She discusses how the show provided much-needed representation for lesbian culture during the 2000s, inspiring her own work and fostering a sense of community.

Liz Feldman [46:34]: "The culture that made me say culture was for me was the original L Word... it was a fantasy set in a reality that did sort of exist."

5. Personal Journeys: Coming Out and Family Dynamics

Liz opens up about her coming out journey at 17, sharing the emotional turmoil and support from her parents. This heartfelt narrative underscores the importance of familial support and personal resilience.

Liz Feldman [56:09]: "My mother outed me at 17… It was a shock, but I admire myself for being so self-possessed."

6. Navigating Fame and Authenticity

The hosts and Liz discuss the nuances of fame, particularly through platforms like Cameo. They explore the balance between personal authenticity and public personas, reflecting on how fame influences genuine relationships.

Matt Rogers [69:54]: "Cameo is not as big as it used to be, but I still... it's something about receiving them… it feels a little patronizing."

7. Improv, Creativity, and Building Communities

The conversation shifts to the roots of improv and how it fosters deep friendships and creative collaborations. Liz recounts her time with the Groundlings and the lasting friendships formed through improvisational theater.

Liz Feldman [34:04]: "I went to BU just to be in the improv group… that's why I went to BU."

8. Reflections on Representation in Media

Bowen and Matt commend Liz for her contributions to queer representation in media. They discuss the evolution of LGBTQ+ visibility in entertainment and the ongoing challenges faced by trans individuals in the industry.

Bowen Yang [52:05]: "It's not a thing for trans people right now, but it's giving me hope for the near future."

9. Concluding Thoughts: Empowerment Through Storytelling

As the episode winds down, Liz emphasizes the power of creating content that resonates personally, encouraging creators to craft stories they themselves want to watch. This philosophy not only fosters authentic storytelling but also builds stronger connections with audiences.

Liz Feldman [50:31]: "Create something you want to watch, because odds are, other people want to watch it too."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Matt Rogers [02:05]: "You think 35 feels like the right age for you… I think 35 looks good on you."

• Liz Feldman [05:48]: "Thrilled to be here."

• Liz Feldman [11:28]: "When you used to ask the question, 'Do you want to be my friend?' on the playground… it felt so intimate and pure."

• Liz Feldman [46:34]: "The culture that made me say culture was for me was the original L Word... it was a fantasy set in a reality that did sort of exist."

• Liz Feldman [56:09]: "My mother outed me at 17… It was a shock, but I admire myself for being so self-possessed."

• Matt Rogers [69:54]: "Cameo is not as big as it used to be, but I still... it's something about receiving them… it feels a little patronizing."

• Liz Feldman [34:04]: "I went to BU just to be in the improv group… that's why I went to BU."

• Bowen Yang [52:05]: "It's not a thing for trans people right now, but it's giving me hope for the near future."

• Liz Feldman [50:31]: "Create something you want to watch, because odds are, other people want to watch it too."

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Key Takeaways

• Authentic Friendships: The episode underscores the value of genuine relationships in both personal life and creative endeavors.

• Representation Matters: Liz Feldman's experiences highlight the crucial role of LGBTQ+ representation in media and its impact on individuals' lives.

• Empowerment Through Storytelling: Creating content that resonates personally can lead to more authentic and impactful storytelling.

• Navigating Fame: The discussion on platforms like Cameo reveals the complexities of maintaining authenticity in the face of public personas.

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This episode provides a deep dive into the intersections of friendship, representation, and personal growth within the cultural landscape. Through heartfelt narratives and insightful discussions, Matt, Bowen, and Liz offer listeners a rich exploration of what it means to build and sustain meaningful connections in today's world.

Transcript

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Liz Feldman]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Liz Feldman]

I just meant that I feel really good about my coverage.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Look, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Where?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I see my eye.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my. Bowen. Look over there.

[Liz Feldman]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that the culture?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Goodness.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. Las Culturistas Ding dong. Las Culturistas calling.

[Bowen Yang]

I want to wish my sister Matt Rogers A happy 35th birthday.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you so much. And you know, I wanted one thing for my birthday and it was for us to match.

[Bowen Yang]

So we're wearing these gorgeous knits.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think I've really sat down and looked at and felt the quality.

[Bowen Yang]

Beautiful garment.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's really good.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a nice garment. Now, just because we're numerology experts now, we've really discussed numbers in depth. 35 feels like the right age for you. Sturdy.

[Matt Rogers]

You think?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm meant to be 35.

[Bowen Yang]

I think 35 looks good on you. And I think 35. Matt Rogers at 35. Like I will always say this. The name Matt Rogers, so nice. You like that it's a great classic name. You like that it's a great classic name. And there's something about Matt Rogers. That translates in some essential way to the number 35. It's like, it's good.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? Recently I was watching a YouTube BTS video with the stars of White Lotus, Michelle Monahan, Leslie Bibb and Carrie Coon. And they were asking each other, what age would you be if you could pick any age? And wouldn't you know what they all said 35. They all said, I would be the exact age I am right now. That would be the exact age I am right now. And they were all so gloriously being actresses to each other. And I absolutely love and worship each and every one of them.

[Bowen Yang]

Those are three great actors.

[Matt Rogers]

But it was just so funny because they were like, I wouldn't change a thing. I'd be the age I am right now. And I agree.

[Bowen Yang]

I would love to give 30 another go.

[Matt Rogers]

You would? Well, that was 20. 20 was stolen from us.

[Bowen Yang]

30 was stolen from us in 2020. I would love to just have that year of I'm 30 now. You know, it's fine. I feel like this is us in our 30s is an extended obviously sort of like extrapolation of that feeling.

[Matt Rogers]

You could always be one of the Hollywood legends that lies about their age. Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Now, by the way, do you know why you like Matt Rogers?

[Bowen Yang]

Why?

[Matt Rogers]

And why I love Bow and Yang? No.

[Bowen Yang]

Three syllables.

[Matt Rogers]

Three syllable name. And that's actually apropos. Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

We've got a three syllable name legend.

[Matt Rogers]

Three syllable legend. By the way, thank you for saying happy birthday to me. I'm so happy we're in match. Not just because I wanted us to be in for my birthday, but we took new photos for the podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

Kiss this one goodbye.

[Matt Rogers]

Kiss it goodbye. Even though this is iconic. And can we just say this has done us so well.

[Bowen Yang]

I like that my pores are visible. I really do. I'm not joking.

[Matt Rogers]

It's transparency.

[Bowen Yang]

It's transparency culture. We did not expect this to be the one.

[Matt Rogers]

This was so good.

[Bowen Yang]

This was a good one. I'll miss this one a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

I'll miss this a lot. But you know what? It had its moment.

[Bowen Yang]

It had its moment.

[Matt Rogers]

And like the first half of my.

[Bowen Yang]

30S, we're turning over a new leaf. We are officially a nine year old podcast. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

The podcast this is. The podcast is nine years old.

[Bowen Yang]

March 2016 is when we started. Now it's March 2025.

[Matt Rogers]

It sure is.

[Bowen Yang]

And who better to help us ring in this ninth year of our lives? I'm very excited with our three syllable guest.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So basically this person is this Is how I met this person. On a Zoom audition for the show. No good deed. Amazing show, which she created. And I was in my bathroom in New York. Cause it was the only place I could get good lighting. So I put the Zoom. I opened the Zoom, put the computer laptop on the top of my toilet.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. This was in Long Island City. Yes, yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And I was like, I hope I can make this in some way charming. Did the Zoom audition. And spoiler alert for the show. I do a lot of cocaine in the show. So I'm in my own bathroom, like, miming cocaine. Just like, off the shitter. Off the shitter. Literally. Look, every time. You don't know this, every time in that audition, I went down to go like Mima line of coke snort. I was staring into my toilet hole.

[Bowen Yang]

That's pretty good.

[Matt Rogers]

My toilet hole.

[Liz Feldman]

First of all, let's not pretend that's the first time we've ever done that.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. More to come in this episode. For that. For that also created Dead to me. She has a new podcast with a friend of the show, Jesse Klein. We're going to talk all about. And truly lovely to have her here. I would please welcome her as my friend Liz Feldman.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, my gosh. Thrilled to be here.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it's our thrill.

[Bowen Yang]

What are your birthday wishes for our friend Matt?

[Matt Rogers]

Talk to me.

[Liz Feldman]

Hey. I wish I knew it was your birthday.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

So that I would have come with some sort of gift and. Or a matching sweater.

[Matt Rogers]

Your presence is a gift. I love what you are wearing. It's a vibrant green.

[Liz Feldman]

Thank you so much.

[Bowen Yang]

Kelly Green.

[Matt Rogers]

Kelly Green.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. I would say this is Kelly Green.

[Liz Feldman]

She's giving Kermit.

[Matt Rogers]

She's giving Kermit who's the best Muppet.

[Liz Feldman]

Wow. Yeah. Fozzie Bear. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the right answer.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, because I love funny guys.

[Bowen Yang]

He's sweet, too.

[Liz Feldman]

He's sweet. And also, for some reason, my daughter loves Fozzie Bear and says waka Waka around the house.

[Matt Rogers]

So what do you think it is about Waka Waka that she latched onto? Is she. Does she have the comedy bug?

[Liz Feldman]

She has the comedy bug. She does. Can I tell you that yesterday in the car, I picked her up from school, gave her a snack, wasn't enough. She was still hungry.

[Bowen Yang]

Hilarious.

[Liz Feldman]

And I said, what are you hungry for? She said, hungry for boogers.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh.

[Liz Feldman]

And she knew she was making a joke. I laugh so hard.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

That I've only, you know, validated that, you know, boogers are funny.

[Bowen Yang]

There's something about. She just knows how it Hits the ear. Not to say boogers, which would have been funny.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But hungry for boogers.

[Liz Feldman]

I'm hungry for boogers, I think is really a strong, strong statement.

[Bowen Yang]

What are you hungry for? I'm hungry. I'm hungry for boogers.

[Matt Rogers]

You know?

[Bowen Yang]

She is. Laugh out loud.

[Matt Rogers]

She's the next Sarah Sherman.

[Bowen Yang]

She's the next Sarah Sherman.

[Liz Feldman]

No higher praise Be so lucky.

[Matt Rogers]

I think you might be luck.

[Liz Feldman]

Wow, I can't believe there are two of these sweaters in existence.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, so this is what I wanted to say about this. We don't even own these. Okay, so my friend Jared, who I'm dying to introduce you to, Jared Frieder. Everyone knows him. That's a. That's a Reader Katie publicist finalist, or Kyle. He came to help us sort of art direct the shoot. He buys two of everything because he had two of these.

[Liz Feldman]

Was this what he was dreaming up that you would be matching?

[Bowen Yang]

No, because we told him. We gave him like 20 minutes notice. We're like, get down here. We need extra clothes. I did not pack enough for the shoot. I totally didn't realize that I should have packed for this. He came with doubles. And this is just a thi. His retail behavior is that he buys two of each.

[Matt Rogers]

What is that?

[Bowen Yang]

There's a pathology there.

[Liz Feldman]

There's a pathology there. But I have to say, I feel like it's really worked out because it's actually sort of stunning on both of you.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I say, it really does work on us both.

[Liz Feldman]

It works on you both.

[Bowen Yang]

It does. I'm always hesitant to match because it all. With Matt, especially because it gives Tweedledee.

[Matt Rogers]

Tweedledum, but that's who we are.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, no, I'm not feeling Tweedledee Tweedledum. I'm feeling Tweedle Hot and Tweedlestud. Tweedle Hut.

[Matt Rogers]

Tweedle Stud. Tweedle Love that. Okay, so now. Oh, my God, I love that for us.

[Bowen Yang]

What's the Tweedle blank? Tweedle Blank for you and Jesse Klein.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, wow. That is. Wow. Tweedle. Oh, shit.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm putting you on the spot. But the new podcast you guys are starting is about adult friendship.

[Liz Feldman]

That's right. It's called Here to Make Friends Love.

[Matt Rogers]

Here to Make Friends Love.

[Liz Feldman]

And it's really about how hard it is to make friends in your midlife.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

Which you're not quite there yet, but wait till you see. Wait till you turn 36.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, the algorithm. The algorithm is telling me I'm in my middle age.

[Liz Feldman]

What is it telling you?

[Matt Rogers]

So a couple things. My per. Okay, I almost said my personal trainer. And I guess I am just going to say it because that's what he is. I have a personal trainer I've started with, and he goes to me, the first day we ever started working, he goes, it's actually really good that you started now because at 35, that's when your bone density starts to go. And then at 36, that's actually when you lose any metabolism you've ever had. So it's really good that we're getting to work now. And I'm like. And so then I get randomly served on Instagram. This, like, you know, when you flip through the stories and then there's one that's like a targeted ad. It's like how 35 means you're definitely middle aged. It's like all of a sudden, everything had always told me, like, you're young, you're young, you're young. And then hit 35, and they're like, you're middle aged, you're middle aged. We're changing. We're moving the goalposts back. 35 is middle age.

[Liz Feldman]

I need you not to be middle aged. Because I'm so much older than 35. No, no. I. I feel like middle age is 40. I'm gonna be honest.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, I'll co sign you.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

As life expectancy grows.

[Liz Feldman]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

In middle age, increase, like, move up in number.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Somebody said middle ages until you're 60, which I thought was generous.

[Bowen Yang]

That's.

[Matt Rogers]

That's kind of major. That person's a legend that I want to meet. You should have them on their podcast.

[Liz Feldman]

I'll have them on our podcast.

[Matt Rogers]

Befriend them.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

They seem like a good friend.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you have a theory on why it's harder to make friendships in your mid adulthood?

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, I mean, I think in part because when you're a kid, all you have is your friends.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

You're just there to play. You're there to make believe you're, you know, you don't have judgment or, you know, needs that are clear.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, I feel like I barely have them now.

[Liz Feldman]

You're. Because you're 34.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't have. I really don't have needs.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. Talk to Matt's trainer, because he'll tell you. At 37. At 37, identify your name.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. No, it is true. I just. You know what I was thinking about the other day? Remember when you were a kid, like a young, young, young kid. Remember the sentence, this question. Do you want to be my friend?

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I used to ask that question on the playground. And even then it felt so intimate. But it was like this intimacy that you're allowed when you're a child to ask a pure question.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh my God, I could cry.

[Liz Feldman]

Truly. But that is true. Like, you're allowed to be intimate and vulnerable and yourself when you're a kid. And I think by the time you get into your mid-30s, 40s. I'm just being generous by saying mid-30s. I really just mean over 40, but. No, but when you get to be an older person, like, there's a history that you have behind you. There's like a present that you're living in where there's so many stories. Like, it's like when you go on a first date with somebody.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

And you're like, which version of myself of like, am I going to give? Like, am I going to tell them my brother and my sister, you know, and so Jesse and I were really lucky because we became friends in the writers room of Dead to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

And I knew who she was and she knew who I was. And we were both sort of like, you know, excited to be around each other. Excited to be around each other. And then when we started talking in the writers room, I realized that like, everybody was just watching us sort of kibitz and chit chat with each other. And like, we just had so much in common and I was so excited. And I, you know, you feel that sparkle inside with that new friend thing, which, you know, I'm a happily married gay. I've been with my wife for 16 years. So I don't, you know, I don't get to do the first date thing. But that felt first date kind of. First date. Yeah. And it was really like, it was really sweet. And so we, we are weirdly kind of like friendship nerds. We love to talk about friendship.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

And by the way, you guys are.

[Bowen Yang]

We'Re the biggest friendship nerds.

[Liz Feldman]

But you are such wonderful friends to each other. Like, it's such a pleasure to listen to your show. Not just for the funny and the, and the pop culture of it all. So that I feel relevant and I sort of know what's going on in the world, but also just because, like, you are kind to each other. You, you are like the living embodiment of. Yes. And.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that is such a nice compliment.

[Liz Feldman]

It's true.

[Bowen Yang]

Very sweet.

[Matt Rogers]

That is my girl that I love.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, you guys love each other and it's like, it's snark free in such a wonderful, like, fresh way, you know.

[Matt Rogers]

What's interesting about that, I think because we were two gays doing a podcast talking about pop culture in the beginning, like in the breakdowns, people would talk about our podcast and we would get snarky all the time. And I'm like, is this just because we're two gay guys? Because we're not snarky breakdowns?

[Bowen Yang]

Like, as in, like the comments, like.

[Matt Rogers]

People that were, like, trying to explain what the podcast was.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, they would call us snarky and we'd be like, I guess. But that's not.

[Liz Feldman]

No, I would actually call you devoid of snark. I would see, you guys are so authentic and I would say very kind hearted about your approach to pop culture.

[Bowen Yang]

We'll quip. We'll quip, quip, quip.

[Matt Rogers]

We'll give you a quip and we'll give you a dragon to read. But I. It's roller culture number 49. Oh, we'll quip and we'll give you a dragon read. But no, I mean, I do think it's like, that's very nice of you to say. I wonder if it's like. Well, it's you and Jesse, so it's like, you guys are obviously iconic comedians. By the way, two wonderful showrunners I've worked for. So are you actually this thread, this comment, Jesse Klein show ran. I love that for you.

[Bowen Yang]

And this was no good deed.

[Matt Rogers]

But I wonder, are you kind of rolling the dice on some people because you're like, oh, we want to be friends with this person. Like, we're sort of like, that's the.

[Liz Feldman]

Whole point of the.

[Matt Rogers]

No, you're not. You're not playing it safe.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, not at all.

[Matt Rogers]

You're not bringing in like, oh, no.

[Liz Feldman]

We are playing it safe because at first, you know how it is when you're first doing a podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

You need.

[Liz Feldman]

Well, it's also like, people don't know what your show is. So, like, no, we're not going to. Chastain's not coming on yet. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? She will. She's. She's never hit the podcast circuit.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, I mean, you know, so we do have our white whales. You know, of course, as I've heard you guys talk about our white whales. Of course we know we have our white whales, but for now, we are mostly having guests on that we know on some level because they trust us enough to come on without having heard an episode because the show doesn't come out until March 14th. But the whole point is that we want to make Friends. And we feel excited that we got to make friends with each. So now we're like, who else could we make friends with?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

And the excuse of just inviting them on the podcast and then essentially, like, bum rushing them into friendship.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Liz Feldman]

And. And cornering them and basically putting pressure on them in front of a microphone to be like, but would you want to have drinks with us or.

[Matt Rogers]

Drinks?

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Answer's always yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's like the sort of blue sky fantasy. Like, not endgame, but, like, that's the. Like, when you say, like, can we be friends? Is that the image? Like, eventually we just get, like, call each other up for, like, drinks. Like, impromptu.

[Liz Feldman]

A thousand percent. Okay. Yeah. Like my. My ideal. Or. Or Jesse and I have the ideal that, like, maybe at the end of the season, we would have, you know, a group hang. Like a last supper.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I love that.

[Liz Feldman]

You know.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

You guys are invited.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm joining the podcast next week.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. Bo and I, we wanted to get you, but evidently you're very busy. I wanted you both on together.

[Bowen Yang]

So available. Or if you want to have just him. I think he. He should have a moment with both of you.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. He should have a mom. We. He's like our son.

[Bowen Yang]

He's your. He's your son. And I'm like, the exchange program, you know?

[Liz Feldman]

Absolutely not.

[Matt Rogers]

Kid from exchange program.

[Liz Feldman]

That is. So now we know what Bowen really thinks of himself.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I'm just like, you know, I'm from. I'm from the East Coast.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

That kind of thing.

[Liz Feldman]

But if I. If I may take this moment to take what a fan I am of yours.

[Bowen Yang]

Likewise, Liz. That means so much.

[Liz Feldman]

It means so much to me. I am a, you know, obviously, longtime fan of the show that you're on. It's called Saturday Nightlines.

[Bowen Yang]

Correct.

[Liz Feldman]

And, you know, been watching since I was a young child, but you are such a fucking bright light on that show. And truly listener. And I just. You're fucking brilliant.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

It's.

[Liz Feldman]

When you get behind that. But when you get behind that Weekend Update desk, like, I just. I, like, lean forward.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

I get the proverbial popcorn out. I know it's gonna be fucking great.

[Bowen Yang]

It's. You know, what I love about it is that it's. That's hit or miss. But that's. But that's the show that is.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, it's true. Nothing's perfect.

[Bowen Yang]

Nothing's perfect. And I love that about working there. It's like, oh, I tried something.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. But you Never fail because you're you.

[Bowen Yang]

Liz, that's so nice.

[Liz Feldman]

It's very being true.

[Bowen Yang]

It's true.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you check out the 50th?

[Liz Feldman]

I did, I did.

[Matt Rogers]

What you think?

[Liz Feldman]

Well, I thought, there's a very handsome guy on the red carpet. He's just a real star on the red carpet.

[Bowen Yang]

Didn't he look great?

[Liz Feldman]

By the way, his audition. Just to go back to that for a second, I want you to know where that audition came from. Because I had written the part. We were casting the show, couldn't find the guy at first. We were looking in I don't know where the hell we were looking, but couldn't find him. And in the middle of the night, I shit you not. I was like. Cause this is. I'm a weird, like I wake up with ideas kind of person. It was like 3:00 in the morning and I shot up out of bed and I was like, it's Matt Rogers, It's Matt Rogers. What am I doing?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm so happy that that happened, I swear.

[Bowen Yang]

Spirit moved you?

[Liz Feldman]

The spirit moved me. It was like somebody whispered in my ear and then I couldn't shake it. And then of course, you nailed the audition.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's very kind. You know, I. It is hard on. It's hard when you audition on Zoom.

[Liz Feldman]

No, it's terrible.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that's the thing is it's like you have clearly.

[Matt Rogers]

But. Oh, I do it all the time. I put myself on the self tape all the time. I did it yesterday.

[Bowen Yang]

Like heroic.

[Matt Rogers]

It's hard. But I. But I really loved you as a, you know, as someone who obviously a name I knew and respected so much. When they told me that you were actually going to be on the Zoo, that's when you're like, okay, well, you know, here we go. But it is hard. It's hard to like connect in a way. It's hard to really get adjustments. It's also you're seeing someone in a literal screen which is different than the screen they'll be on ultimately. So it's bizarre. So I wanted to ask you, like, as a creator and as someone who auditions people all the time, like, do you miss the in person auditions? Cause you're a director as well. I mean, you're so multi talented. So I would imagine that like part of getting in there and like getting clay on the mound and really working is part of what you love and it's so different.

[Bowen Yang]

Clay on the mound.

[Matt Rogers]

Clay on the mound. Is. Is that a Studie Green thing?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's like, it's a thing that like it. Judy and Celeste and I always get clay on the table.

[Matt Rogers]

Clay on the table, Clay on the.

[Bowen Yang]

Mound kind of hits the year better.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Clay on the mound. I'm interested in.

[Matt Rogers]

Auditioning is so different now.

[Liz Feldman]

Well, it is. I. Well, if I'm just a person person, I like people. I like to sit in here. I mean, I love the fact that we're doing this and not on Zoom. And so, yeah, I really do miss the personal. The interpersonal stuff that you get. Also, I used to be an actor.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Liz Feldman]

So I know what it's like to go in that room and, you know, be nervous or unsure of the. The choice you're making, and then the people are there looking at you. It's so vulnerable. So I at least want to be there for the people to be like, hey, I got you. Like, it's fine. There's no. Like, we'll work on it. We'll do it, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

So thank you for doing that from your bathroom on Zoom.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, ultimately, it was either that or, like, I wasn't gonna be able to do it. It honestly is my. One of my favorite roles I've ever played. Maybe my favorite role I've ever played.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a brilliant casting because I know exactly what you mean. It's like, it's a very specific kind of person.

[Matt Rogers]

It is.

[Bowen Yang]

And for Matt to just sort of be like, this perfect invisible hand throughout the entire season and say, like, it's just. He's. You're so good in it.

[Liz Feldman]

He's so good in it.

[Bowen Yang]

And Matt Rogers, Ray Romano, what chemistry.

[Matt Rogers]

I just saw him at the.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, so great.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, that was, you know, all the talk. First of all, you were incredible in the show, and what a great improviser. So many of his best lines were from your head to your mouth. Not from my little typey typey.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, that's also you providing a space for that, which is another compliment I'll give you is that, like, it's so rare. Okay. I'll say this. Good leadership, like, what you show is just rare. And so one of the things I loved about working with you is how decisive you are when you've gotten what you wanted and how you move on, like, confidently, and everyone else can feel confident around you when, you know, when a leader is just like, we got it, and we're joyfully moving on, and then no one has to go home and feel strange or odd or anything like that, because it's like, we did it. And Liz Always included a fun run.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, how could you not when you have Matt Rogers, you're gonna let him do his thing.

[Matt Rogers]

I just mean, like, for everyone at home, it's just. It's like that take at the end when it's one for kind of got it and it's one for fun. And it's that chance to, like, improvise and if you're lucky, to really connect with a character and have ideas for it and, like, it's a collaborative set. Like, I found that a lot of the stuff that was in the show ended up being from those runs.

[Liz Feldman]

I would say you wrote probably half your line. Well, if not more.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know if you knew, but, like, just.

[Matt Rogers]

Just being in that type of environment where it's just like, constantly. Obviously the cast is the cast. And if you haven't watched no Good Deed yet, you should. You should.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, you get to see Matt Rogers with Lisa Kudrow, Ray Romano. I mean, it's pretty amazing.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you ever. This is a weird question because you've worked in the business for so long, but, like, do you get star. Do you get starstruck? Do you get nervous around talent?

[Liz Feldman]

Do you always get starstruck?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, definitely.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, maybe. You do. You still.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I do. I've had recent moments of star striking.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Especially at SNL 50.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, my God. Well, that was. Every single famous person in the entire universe was there.

[Bowen Yang]

And this is not a brag, but there was just a remarkable number of them who were like, I love the podcast. And we were like, to both Matt and I, because Matt and I walked in and it was like, every two minutes. It was like, crazy. A lister.

[Liz Feldman]

Who are some of the supporters we.

[Matt Rogers]

Can say we can't be so much.

[Bowen Yang]

Claire Danes.

[Matt Rogers]

Claire Danes. So basically, like, whenever I see anyone, like, going over to Bowen and being like, ugh, Bowen. I'm like, yes. Because Bowen, I agree with you, is the star of snl. Is the Truth and the Light. And, like, it's Bowen and it's the 50th. Everyone's excited to talk to Bowen. Claire Danes turning to me and, like, just calling me by my first name. I was like, I can't believe it. Best actress ever.

[Liz Feldman]

The greatest.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, and then we just, like, had.

[Bowen Yang]

A moment with her, Claire Danes. And then five minutes, two minutes later, Sarah Jessica Parker, Matthew Browder coming down the stairs. Sjp clocking us, bowing to us.

[Liz Feldman]

Stop. Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

And then just sjp. Sjp.

[Liz Feldman]

That's. She Puts the pop in pop culture.

[Bowen Yang]

She is the New York woman.

[Liz Feldman]

She is the New York woman.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you know what I mean?

[Liz Feldman]

Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Anyway, so, like, sorry to answer your question, and this just turned into a whole name drop fest. But, like, I mean, I asked you.

[Liz Feldman]

I'm like, asking for. I'm great.

[Bowen Yang]

Really mind blowing with Kudrow and with.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, listen, I. It's almost like. It's not even that I get. Sometimes I get starstruck. Most of the time, I know I'm gonna see the person if it's a surprise, if it's like, I'm running into them at a party and they're like, I listen to your podcast. Like, that's. That's different. That's like, you know, like sending a. Like a sweet shiv down my spine, you know? But, like, with Lisa Kudrow, I had been watching Friends every night, and her name came up in casting, and I was like, but I watch her. I watch her on my tv. I was very excited to meet her. But then I know that I have to present myself as a leader. And thank you so much for what you said. That's very, very kind to say, but I know I have to, like, you know, I have to be confident when I meet her and not treat her like she's this thing that is unattainable to me. Because then why would she want to work with me?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, because she's very much quite there. Attainable.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

She's interested.

[Liz Feldman]

I'll tell you, this is a true story. This morning, I'm getting ready, because one of my. The great parts about my job, especially when I'm in development on, like, a new thing, is that I get to sit and meet actors, and they just like, you know, like, they just go, do you want to meet so and so. And I go, yeah. It's like going on, like, a lunch date with the most random, wonderful people. So this morning, I'm getting ready to have breakfast with Pamela Anderson.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, we were just talking about her in the car.

[Matt Rogers]

We are obsessed.

[Liz Feldman]

She is, and I don't use this word often. A queen.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, she's a queen.

[Liz Feldman]

And I'm looking at myself in the mirror, and I don't have makeup on. And I'm like, you know what? She's not gonna wear makeup. I know that. That's her thing. So I'm like, you know, do I show up at breakfast with Pamela Anderson with no makeup on? And I take one look at myself in the mirror and I go, you know what? I'm not working from the same baseline as Pamela Anderson.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh please.

[Liz Feldman]

I was like spackling on, spackle it on.

[Bowen Yang]

She's a Canadian queen. She doesn't give a fuck about anyone.

[Liz Feldman]

She doesn't. But I like, I wanted to feel, of course, you know, I was presentable. So I did put some makeup on and I was still like a 14th. As gorgeous as she is starstruck I wasn't.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Liz Feldman]

Right. Because again, I'm like trying to be like let's collaborate on something maybe, you know, but like I do sit in awe is what I'll say. Like I'm not maybe struck, but I, I sit in like complete respect and awe of people who especially like her. People who have been through the fucking ringer because of pop culture, because of our thirst for her fame and her gorgeousness and the way in which society has objectified her over and over again and truly turned her into an object. And let me tell you, she's fucking brilliant. She's so smart. She's way better read than I am. She was making references and I'm nodding like I know what she's talking about. No idea what she's talking about. I mean I was just so impressed, so impress.

[Bowen Yang]

She has a Criterion Closet episode where she's just really good, knows every fucking.

[Liz Feldman]

She was naming movies. She was talking about Jenna Rowlands movies.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean like she's, she's just such an impressive human being and given everything that she's gone through, like you know, to have your story be, to be, to have your story be stolen is I think kind of almost among the worst things that can happen to a person. You know, like that's her story to tell. And you know, I get that it seems like it's part of the universe and it's, that's, you know, up for grabs. But that's really rough, right?

[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

Promo code culturistas that's nutrfol.com promo code culturistas I will say, going back to what Matt was saying about you, your leadership, this is such a backtrack. But he was coming off of that set every day being like, I mean, Liz Feldman, what a fucking queen. Like, truly, that's so nice. So, so, so happy and grateful and learning so much from that experience. And it all shows. That show is so great.

[Liz Feldman]

Thank you so much.

[Matt Rogers]

It's fantastic.

[Liz Feldman]

Thanks.

[Matt Rogers]

And also, you have to know how nervous I was, like, because it would be one thing to book a show with Lisa Kudrow, you know what I mean? Cause that's another thing is it's like BTS for the readers and everybody at home. It's like you open your email, you're lucky enough one day to get any audition because they're very rare now, you know what I mean? And you open it up and it's like, it's the new Liz Feldman show, which is already so exciting in and of itself. Everyone loves, it's such an exciting name to see yours when you're an actor too, because you know it's gonna be like, I would imagine that every actor is taking out all the meetings with you because they love dead to me and they see no good deed and they see this. There's just so much potential for them to do things. You know what I mean? And like every character is interesting, which is rare, but it's like, you see and Lisa Cujo is attached. That would be enough to give you a panic attack, even on an audition where you're not actually gonna interact. And then it's like Ray Romano, the name that really took me out was Linda Cardellini.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh my God.

[Matt Rogers]

Took me out. Like true acting hero of mine. And it just didn't stop from there. I was a huge fan of, of every single person. And then he goes, it's like the super smash brothers of television.

[Liz Feldman]

That's brilliant. Absolutely brilliant.

[Matt Rogers]

And I used.

[Liz Feldman]

You did. You did. But it's true. And, but, but here's in.

[Bowen Yang]

I showed it to you.

[Matt Rogers]

I did. I gave you the.

[Liz Feldman]

Here's where I'm gonna go. I was about to say, here's where I go down on you.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, go down.

[Liz Feldman]

Here's where we 69 is. You showed up and I swear to God, he stole every fucking scene he was in. He stole every scene he was in. Matt Rogers and Ray Ra Romano turned into this like comedy team. I mean, you look out Bowen. Yeah, I know. I mean, it could be Ray sitting there in that magic scene in this sweater.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

But for some reason, I mean, like, you would never think like Ray Romano, like salt of the earth from, you know. Although you're not from too far apart from Tiger maybe.

[Matt Rogers]

It's Queens and I'm Long island. So there was enough there, you know what I mean? Like, but again, like, you know, I've watched him since I was a kid.

[Liz Feldman]

I'm the same.

[Matt Rogers]

I get the vibe.

[Liz Feldman]

And what a great fucking guy he is too.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, he's a great guy.

[Liz Feldman]

It was like a set of Mensches.

[Matt Rogers]

Everyone was very nice.

[Bowen Yang]

I love it. Very, very nice.

[Liz Feldman]

And to be honest, that was like the whole that I had is now that I get to be a person who picks actors and hires crew and stuff, I'm like, I want to go to work and be surrounded by people I really enjoy being around. Nice, kind, talented. But people who inspire me. People who are like, if I'm going to go leave my 2 year old daughter at home and my wonderful wife who I actually really like, I want to show up to people who I feel like are my family. And it was so nice because we really did create that. On no good deed.

[Bowen Yang]

This is friendship nerding. This is being a friendship nerd. It's like where you're saying you and Jesse are friendship nerds, right?

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, 100%.

[Bowen Yang]

This is nerding out about the right chemistry of people in a way.

[Matt Rogers]

And in the writers room too, I would imagine. Because what I loved most about the set and I'm experiencing now on another show I'm working on is I go over to Video Village and it's like a bunch of people like you have such a Great group of ladies that you work with.

[Liz Feldman]

We have a good group.

[Matt Rogers]

Like Kelly.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. Kelly Hutchinson is one of my best friends of 30 years. We were. We were college roommates.

[Matt Rogers]

Where to go to college?

[Liz Feldman]

We went to Boston University. We lived on Commonwealth Avenue, and we were roommates. She was an acting student, I was a TV student, and we used to smoke cigarettes in our apartment with the windows closed.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

Because that's what you did because you.

[Matt Rogers]

Had a dark inner life.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes, we did have a dark in her life. And we just got, like, you know, really stoned on really bad weed and drank horrible wine and have the greatest time. But she. She was an actress on Broadway for many, many, many years and was like, you know what? I think I want to try my hand at writing. Sent me her script and said to me was her first show. And we've been working together ever since. And I mean, she's truly one of my best friends In, I mean, 30 years of friendship. So I have her and then Silver Tree, who's my producing, I adore. Silver is an incredible director, but, like, we're good friends, and so I'm just in it for that. Like, I'm in this whole business for friends. Yeah, that's all it is for me is connections. It's. It's human connection with people. You know, I want to create that with people at home that I maybe never get to meet, but I also want to create it with the people that I get to see every day.

[Matt Rogers]

So I was. Because of the 50th and everything, I was talking to Kristen Wiig, and you guys were in an improv group together years ago.

[Liz Feldman]

What were those days? Crystal Wig is what I like to call it. Crissal and I were. We were in the Sunday Company and the Groundlings together. But even before that, we were in an all female improv group, which was obviously called the Last Women on Earth. And, yeah, I mean, like, we go way back. I was a bridesmaid in her wedding.

[Matt Rogers]

Her first wedding.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's wild. So this obviously predates snl.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, gosh. Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, we were children. I mean, I think I met her. I was 22 years old.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Liz Feldman]

Perfect.

[Bowen Yang]

In LA.

[Liz Feldman]

In LA. We met at the Groundlings. We met on, like a. Like a. Wow. Improv class at the Groundlings, which is just like a drop in class. And I think we saw each other and we were like, oh, that. That's. We. Oh, you're funny.

[Matt Rogers]

Connected.

[Liz Feldman]

We were connected. Definitely.

[Matt Rogers]

That's very much us.

[Bowen Yang]

That's very much Us.

[Matt Rogers]

Because.

[Bowen Yang]

And I'm getting all mournful now because I'm like, I think it's still happening. I think it's coming back from the pandemic. But, like, something about, like, improv culture being kind of wiped away is really sad, because that was the way that you and I made friends with people.

[Matt Rogers]

Definitely.

[Liz Feldman]

It's how I've made so many of my dearest friends, truly. That's how I. It's why I went to be you. I was visiting a friend, my friend Dan Fogler, not to name drop, but a wonderful actor, and he was at bu. He was my best friend from high school. I was coming off a TV show called all that, which was my first show. Well, yes, I've been doing this a long, long time. And I was like, fuck. I just want to go hang out with my friend in college. He's like, well, I'm auditioning for the improv group. You should just come with me. I'm like, I don't go to school here. I went anyway, got in, and they were like, well, if you went to school here, you could be in this group. And I was like, okay, you transferred. So I didn't transfer. Transfer. I wasn't even going to school. I went into the admissions office, filled out an application, did an interview, and I got in, and I. That's why I went to bu.

[Matt Rogers]

That's crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

That's even more because I would tell people, one of the big reasons I went to NYU is because I, like, did all my research, and Danger Box was, like, the group that I was, like, focused on. And then I went, but that's a whole nother level. Like, you were literally led and motivated by that.

[Liz Feldman]

I was quite literally. I didn't even know, like, what I was gonna study. I didn't even care about any of it. I just wanted to be in the improv group.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Liz Feldman]

And I made, like, one of my best friends for life in that group. I'm still friends with so many of the people from the group, you know, and then out here in. In la, all my original friends were from the Groundlings. I did that for five and a half years.

[Matt Rogers]

Isn't it wild how that works out? Like, we tell this story sometimes, but, you know, so many of our friends from those comedy groups. I was a hammer cat, so I did a sketch comedy. And Boneless Danger Box, he did improv. But we were kind of all one big community. And so many of those people are, like, still working, super successful, still are friends. You know what I mean? It's just. I remember when Rachel Bloom won the Golden Globe, we were at home. Yeah. We were at Bowen's apartment in downtown Brooklyn. And I was like, you know, what's wild? Like, I think we might have been right. Like, the people that we thought were special, like, actually are.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And then that obviously, like, in so many ways has proven to be true, but it is sort of like you have to check yourself at that point. You're like, wait, am I. Am I okay? Like, am I living in, like, a simulation where it's just like, how could this be? How could this actually have been the destiny of us all? Like, whatever that means. You know what I mean? Not to be cool or whatever, but it's like you talk about the friends that you made all the way back then, and it's really possible to have those communities endure.

[Liz Feldman]

It is, it is. And I mean, like, when I was in the Sunday Company at the Groundlings, Kaitlin Olson, Dax Shepard.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Liz Feldman]

You know, and by the way, all three of us were cut.

[Bowen Yang]

What? You, Caitlin Olson and Dax Shepard were cut from Sunday Company.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. Sorry, I have to fix my bra strap because it's.

[Matt Rogers]

Fix your bra strap.

[Liz Feldman]

I guess I'm getting skinny.

[Matt Rogers]

You're wasting away in front of us. Wait, who?

[Bowen Yang]

Who the cut, you guys?

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, listen, it happens, but it. It is actually in a weird way, the best thing that ever happened to me.

[Bowen Yang]

So it's like the people at SNL who get cut, and they're like. It's like your Jenny Slades who, like, go on and become.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, Jenny's brilliant.

[Matt Rogers]

So brilliant.

[Liz Feldman]

I have. I'm friends with several other gals. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And One thing about SNL50 is so many of them showed up. So many.

[Liz Feldman]

So many.

[Bowen Yang]

One season people came and they were all so happy. And they are. They're all doing so well.

[Matt Rogers]

So well.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's. This was my thing. There was just no bitterness at this thing. And I was expecting even bitterness from me where I'm like, oh, God, aren't we all so tired? And aren't we all so stressed out about this big show? And it's all led up to this for so many years. And it was all love and warmth.

[Liz Feldman]

And I have to say, as a person watching it at home, all six and a half hours of it, or however long it was, very long. But I could have kept watching. My wife and I were so excited to watch it. And, you know, like, I mean, that's SNL is. Is sort of like a family reunion for the audience, too. Oh, that's nice, because so many of us, like, grew up watching it. My brother used to show. My brother's seven years older than me. He used to show me episodes that I in no way should have been watching, you know, at like, five years old, you know, so these are all people that we've all grown up with. Right.

[Bowen Yang]

But it goes back to this, like, improv thing where, I don't know, it's just harder and harder for people to, like, connect in this, like. Like, scaled up way where it was like you were just meeting so many people whenever you were doing shows or whenever you would, like, do, like, rehearsals or practices or whatever, you know, like.

[Matt Rogers]

And developing together, too, is such an important thing, I think, in terms of grounding friendship. You know what I mean? How many times did we go to each other's shows where there was like, 14, 15 people? You know, one time, Bowen and I did a show for one person and we were like. Like, it was at the Pit Underground. And I remember the Pit.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, yeah, I've been there.

[Matt Rogers]

We were performing as our filthy, slutty lip sync duo.

[Bowen Yang]

Duo Perfect.

[Matt Rogers]

His name was Slut and my name was. Together. We were Sloth. And we went essentially for a half hour.

[Liz Feldman]

How do you guys come up with this stuff?

[Matt Rogers]

It was. That was actually our peak. No, there was a time there was. Do you remember when I would look at my Google calendar. I bet I still can.

[Bowen Yang]

There was so many Slucks.

[Matt Rogers]

Sluck was all over. Like, everyone wanted to book Sluck. Sluck opened for Joel Kim, Booster's first special table. That's right.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, my God, that's.

[Bowen Yang]

Sluck was everywhere.

[Matt Rogers]

Sluck has performed everywhere.

[Liz Feldman]

I. Now I'm embarrassed. I hadn't heard of Sluck.

[Matt Rogers]

No one knows about Sluck anymore, but Sluck may return.

[Bowen Yang]

Sluck will be at the first Trump Kennedy Center Honors.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. He wants to.

[Liz Feldman]

I love it. You know what we should do? I'm going to say it right here on air to put the pressure on you. We should get a super group of queer improvisers together and do a. And do a charity show for trans youth.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that would be amazing. Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, let's do it. We got Josh and Aaron.

[Bowen Yang]

Pressure. Even though.

[Liz Feldman]

Because there's some really brilliant improvisers here in LA too, and that I've had the great pleasure of, like, Drew Droege and Legend. Yep. I mean, the greatest pancake. Someone who really wanted. Yeah. I mean, these are. There's some. We should do that. We should absolutely do that.

[Matt Rogers]

You Know Brandon Scott Jones.

[Liz Feldman]

Jones, yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Brandon Jones from Ghosts.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, he.

[Matt Rogers]

He was like, I think I did.

[Liz Feldman]

An improv show with him.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

In fact, like, he's one of the ones that, like, from the very beginning, it's just so wild how so. So much really paid off. I was talking actually in my group chat the other day about how UCB really did create some incredible actors because of that space in Chelsea. It was like that thrust stage. And because it was so small and because the audience was so engaged, because there was an era, I'm sure, in LA as well, where it just felt like everyone was so excited about improv and sketch. Yeah, I think it was around, you know, it's definitely a 2006, 2012ish around there. When SNL was like, really hitting in that era because of like, I think like the. The way it was, you know, corresponding with politics, et cetera, it was just. It was in the air that, like, to succeed in comedy, you had to be at UCB and be around it. It felt like in New York.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, yeah. We flew to New York from LA with our show just to perform at UCB. Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Close.

[Liz Feldman]

I did do Del clothes. Yes. The 24 hour.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

We went on at some hilarious hour, like 4 o'clock in the morning.

[Bowen Yang]

Four in the morning, three in the morning.

[Liz Feldman]

That was an incredible experience. That was awesome. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. At 4:15 in the morning, I went out and did like a thing where it was like everyone. It was all gay guys and we were all pretending to be Boston straight guys. And I. I came out and I remember I ate a carrot off the ground and I was. And I did this whole stupid bit where I was like, should I eat this carrot, man? And everyone was like, no, no. I was told afterwards that it had been in someone's ass. The. The bit performance had eaten the carrot. Someone had put the carrot in their ass and left it on the stage. And when I came out, I didn't know that. And so I took the carrot. I was like, I was like, I'm gonna eat this carrot. And they were like, no, I put it in my mouth.

[Liz Feldman]

Let's not pretend that was the first time.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, that's my kink. My kink is carrot ass. But no, what I was saying was like, the style of the stage being thrust, and because the audience was so engaged and it was so small, it created such good actors because they could do such small stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, I remember Middle Ditch, Aubrey Plaza, Ellie Kemper, Darcy Cardin, Brandon Scott Jones. Like all these people that ended up having success in television.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

They came from an era where you could develop as a live performer, but it still. It fed the on camera work because.

[Bowen Yang]

It was black box thrust.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

It wasn't just a threat.

[Bowen Yang]

Thrust space.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

So you could, like.

[Matt Rogers]

I missed that space.

[Bowen Yang]

Kind of like play to your angles. I don't know. I'm not making total sense, but like, it was a way that. To like, play to like an angle, slash camera or just to play to an audience that was in front of you in that thrust setting.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. I mean, you know, it's interesting that you say that. Cause the Groundlings is a proscenium. It's a much more sort of presentational theater. Theater. And the characters tend to be bigger.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, I remember hearing that and being like, should I move there? Cause I always got the note. I was too big. Always.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of Kudrow, wasn't season two of the Comeback where she does, like, Groundlings classes?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

By the way, Jimmy F. Should also be in. In our.

[Bowen Yang]

He's our favorite person, one of our favorite people.

[Liz Feldman]

I love him. He's wonderful. And, you know, I have known him since he was, you know, a re. Improviser. I love him and I'm so proud of everything he's becoming and so much more to come. Wait, what were we just talking about before that?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm talking about.

[Liz Feldman]

Was a groundling. Yes, of course.

[Matt Rogers]

And then a teacher.

[Liz Feldman]

And then a teacher. And she said recently we were talking. She said she was a terrible teacher.

[Matt Rogers]

I bet that's not true.

[Bowen Yang]

I couldn't do it. I could never teach.

[Liz Feldman]

I couldn't either. Nope.

[Bowen Yang]

Really?

[Matt Rogers]

Sketch? Not at ucb.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, no, I. I'm not like. I. I can only, like, lead under great duress.

[Bowen Yang]

You.

[Matt Rogers]

Were you under duress? Because you didn't show that on no good deed. Did you find yourself under duress?

[Liz Feldman]

No, no. I. I think I just mean pressure. Like, you know, external pressure. Like, here's a multimillion dollar budget on your shoulders. Like, don't fuck it up, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Do you like showrunning?

[Liz Feldman]

I like. I do.

[Matt Rogers]

You do?

[Liz Feldman]

I do. It's like a sickness, but I do like it. It's very hard. It's very hard, but it is 11 jobs in one. I like eight of them. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

What are the three? You don't like therapists?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I mean.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, I actually don't mind that part. I don't mind the managerial stuff and I don't mind the interpersonal stuff. I don' the tech stuff, I don't. I don't love that. And I don't love, like, props meetings.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, who does?

[Liz Feldman]

Like, just going over, like, here's the prop. I mean, like, I'm not a detail person, which I'm much more of a macro gal. And my wife is micro. I'm macro. And so we make a good pair, you know, And. But I do really like it because I love coming up with something from nothing. It's like, this part that I'm in right now where I get to just sort of dream up a new world is so fun. I get to people my world. I get to create a writer's room of people I want to spend time with and then think of actors I want to work with.

[Matt Rogers]

She pointed to us.

[Bowen Yang]

She gestured.

[Matt Rogers]

Lucky us.

[Liz Feldman]

It was more of A no, guys, 100%. I would work with you again in a heartbeat. And I would work with you for the first time in a heartbeat. I would be lucky, too.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no.

[Liz Feldman]

Bowen.

[Matt Rogers]

She offers you a part right here, now. No, I'm like, I sound right for that. We don't really compete for no. Cause you don't audition anymore.

[Bowen Yang]

Because I don't think I'm good at it.

[Matt Rogers]

Bowen.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm a bad auditioner. No, I can copy that.

[Matt Rogers]

He always booked. I remember back in the day when we both were up for snl, I remember I was like. When you booked that, I was like, wow, he books. Cause he would book all the time. And I felt like I had to book SNL in order to make a career happen.

[Bowen Yang]

Interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, this is the only thing I'll be right for. Because I always got the note too big, too big, too big. I just thought, I'm never gonna work on camera.

[Liz Feldman]

You're not too big for me, baby.

[Bowen Yang]

Are you good with this now? I watch him on Nogadid, and I'm like, there's no one more compelling to watch on screen.

[Liz Feldman]

First of all, almost every review or thing that was written that I read, because I didn't read them all, but, like, underlined, they highlighted Matt Rogers, who, by the way, is in a cast of very, very, very large cast of characters. I mean, there's nine series regulars, and people are talking about Matt Rogers, you know, very kind. He's in many episodes. But, you know, like, I could watch.

[Bowen Yang]

Them in anything, in any kind of thing. And, yeah, you guys are being too much.

[Liz Feldman]

I saw you, and I love that for you. And I'm like, who is this guy?

[Matt Rogers]

I love that show was gone too soon.

[Liz Feldman]

Man. I agree. I agree.

[Matt Rogers]

I can't believe no one wanted that. Like, when. Because they went out. They went out to pitch it again, and I was just like, this is like. You have so much proof of concept here. The second season was fully written. I feel like I can say all this now because it's been a long time, but I was just like. That just goes to show, the industry is in such a rough spot that. That show was good.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It had fans. It had, like, you could put it on a Netflix homepage with, like, Molly Shannon in the fucking.

[Bowen Yang]

Literally. No reason for people to say no. No reason for a network to say no.

[Liz Feldman]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And yet.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, whatever. Well, you. It was an unfortunate timing thing. You guys were a victim of a regime change, you know, which is like.

[Matt Rogers]

Tons of regimes changing. Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Anyways, all this is lovely, but there's a question we have to ask you.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

So, Liz Feldman, this is the question that we ask all of our guests, and you'll be no different. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

[Liz Feldman]

I'm gonna say the culture that made me say culture was for me was the original L word.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. You know, this is really good.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

So Kate Manning must have been huge.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Because she was on no Good. Dude.

[Liz Feldman]

I. Calm.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Well, here's the true story, which is that, you know, there was nothing for lesbian culture in terms of, you know, really being in the mainstream other than when Ellen came out, you know, but that was. She really died on the cross for us on that. 100%, truly. But it wasn't necessarily about, you know, affecting sort of pop culture. That was about society to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

You know, her coming out was about changing the temperature of how we feel society about gay women, all respect for what she did.

[Matt Rogers]

All respect.

[Liz Feldman]

All respect. But the L word was different because it was a fantasy. But it was a fantasy that was set in a reality that did sort of exist. It just didn't exist for me.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Liz Feldman]

You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

But. And you're saying the L word is cultural instead of societal.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes, I do think the L word is cultural. I mean, societal, I think, done as a result.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, but.

[Liz Feldman]

But cultural in that. And I. And listen, I'm gonna say a few things that may be offensive to other queer women out there. But, like, you know, I'm. I'm a gay woman who grew up in the. In the 80s and 90s. You know, we had no role models, no direct role models. You know, we were grasping at straws. We were Grasping at an mtv. You know, we were grasping at, like, the. Just one of the guys, which was an 80s movies, literally before you were born. But, you know, there was nothing for us that we were grasping at Mary Stuart Masterson as some kind of wonderful. Who was a straight person, but seemed sort of gay.

[Matt Rogers]

But there was iconography there that you could relate to in an abstract way. Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Like, thank you, Katie Lang. We appreciate your work.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure.

[Liz Feldman]

But when the L Word came out, I remember watching it with my one lesbian friend that I had in Los Angeles at the time and just thinking, oh, my God, it's possible.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Liz Feldman]

It's possible. Where are these women? They must exist. They must exist.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's so interesting.

[Liz Feldman]

We were so enamored of this culture and this sort of group of friends that were created on the show that I kind of think we manifested it because we eventually met them.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

And I was a standup at the time, and I was writing and stuff, and I was doing standup at Dinah Shore Weekend, which for the dear readers, that is the lesbian, sort of like Coachella, if you will. And I was doing standup, and the L Word gals were doing a meet and greet kind of.

[Bowen Yang]

While the show was still on.

[Liz Feldman]

While the show was still on. And somebody took them to come see my standup. And I had been doing the silliest vlogs. Yeah, I said, vlog. That's right.

[Bowen Yang]

No, say it with your chest.

[Liz Feldman]

I had been doing these very silly vlogs with some other lesbians where we essentially, like, recapped the L Word. We made fun of the L Word and recapped it. And they had been watching it. Unbeknownst to me, the cast had been watching these vlogs. Kate Mena came up to me and said, I'm a huge fan. And I almost fainted.

[Matt Rogers]

This is like, Hottest Woman Alive, Sarah.

[Bowen Yang]

Jessica Parker coming to me 100%.

[Liz Feldman]

And I was like, well, I'm a fan of yours. And we have been friends ever since.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Liz Feldman]

Dear friends. She's one of my dearest friends.

[Matt Rogers]

She's great. And no good deeds.

[Liz Feldman]

She's wonderful. I wrote the part for her. It's. It's. Who else could be that person?

[Matt Rogers]

You don't even like. Obviously you do know. But, like, when it hit on Netflix and everyone freaking the out when they saw Linda Cardellini in bed with Kate, like, it was such. Like, how much of that was you being like, the lesbian. I'm feeding the lesbians right now. You had to know.

[Liz Feldman]

You have to think about your audience a little bit.

[Matt Rogers]

Because then you think back and you're like, you're an audience that wanted that at one point.

[Liz Feldman]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

Forget about that.

[Liz Feldman]

That's. I. I think that's the most important thing to do when you are in the very lucky position to create shows is create something you want to watch, because odds are, other people want to watch it too.

[Bowen Yang]

That's so incredible that you would go from making that very astute observation about Ellen or about that time period having no role models to. I mean, my nose is so far up your ass. But you are that role model now. You know what I mean? And it's like, thank you for reminding us of this, because it's kind of the same with gay male culture. We've been spoiled our whole cultural lives. There have always been queer men at the fore in some ways. But I feel like there was this wasteland of a period in the aughts and especially in the 90s. But I remember just being on IMDb message boards being like, is this actor? Like, that was our only way of figuring it out.

[Liz Feldman]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, and now how many, like, not open secrets, but how many people just are gay and are huge stars and they're either out or. It's not that they're not out. It's just not a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not a thing.

[Liz Feldman]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

No one really talks about it. And I guess it's better, right?

[Bowen Yang]

But it's like you have a Colman Domingo who's a best actor nominee twice over now, and you're like, oh, it's not hampered you in any way.

[Liz Feldman]

No, because it's really not a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not a thing.

[Liz Feldman]

Insofar as you guys being brunettes shouldn't be a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure, sure.

[Liz Feldman]

And being. Being Asian shouldn't be a thing. Like, you're a talented artist with something to say. That should be the thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Exactly. Which gives me hope for, like, the way that, like, trans people still keep getting vilified and keep, like, getting put through the wringer in terms of, like, oh, we like them now, or we hate them now we like them. It seems like society has not figured out how to feel about trans people, especially now, but it's like, oh, but you literally have a trans best actress nominee, despite all the things that she's done.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

She's still a compelling actor. She still delivered a amazing performance. It just gives me. It just. It's like, oh, like, if we can extrapolate, hopefully that means something in the near future. That's, like, pretty incredible. I don't know.

[Liz Feldman]

But that is one of the things that I love about the entertainment business and about being storytellers is that we do sort of help society tip. You know, and I think we were so close to a tipping point with the trans community and with the perception of trans people. And unfortunately, the forces of.

[Bowen Yang]

They scapegoated them.

[Liz Feldman]

They scapegoated them and they pulled them, you know, in this tug of war, to the other side and turned people against them. Just totally based out of fear and bad statistics.

[Matt Rogers]

It's also wild because that show, the L Word, gets rediscovered all the time. In fact, when I was at Coachella last year, Renee Rapp performed and she had the cast of the L Word introduce her because it's her favorite show, of course. And just like, while watching as a.

[Bowen Yang]

Gen Z audience, like, yeah, I mean.

[Liz Feldman]

You know, the L Word came back. Yes, the next gen. I think it was the next gen Gen Z. You know, that was less for me because I, you know, was more of an OG fan.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Liz Feldman]

But it was also just, I mean, just even fashion wise and, you know, just the way in which that we. We present ourselves. Like, you know, when I was growing up in the 90s, you know, it was very, like, flannel shirt, unfortunate haircut.

[Matt Rogers]

Times, you know, what was the hair haircut?

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, I had a mullet. I did have a mullet. More of a late 80s mullet. More of a late 80s mullet. Like, more of a junior high kind of vibe.

[Matt Rogers]

Got it.

[Liz Feldman]

Or like, even middle school. I. My style icon at the time was Alex P. Keaton from Family Time, by the way.

[Matt Rogers]

I didn't. I didn't realize this, that he was like a conservative icon. Not an icon, but he was. He. The bit of him was that he had liberal parents and that he was a 1980s, like, young conservative man. Being like, this is the way we're gonna do it.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure, sure.

[Liz Feldman]

He's the outlier of his family. And I love that show unknowingly, because I was the outlier of my family. So even though he was playing this conservative Republican kid, I related to that character because it was almost as if he was the gay kid in the inverted.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, I love it.

[Liz Feldman]

But then the L Word, like, the fashion was on point. They were hot. They had cool haircuts, they did cool things, they went at. They forged this whole community and life, you know, that I just wanted so badly. And the irony is that just a few years later, I got to have it with those actors, played those parts. And like, I just, you Know manifestation is real, baby.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I know it. That's actually so, so true.

[Bowen Yang]

So true.

[Matt Rogers]

It's also so important to hear you say and to remember, write something that you would want to watch. Because that actually makes creating so much easier. Yeah, it's one of those sentences. I'm almost connecting it to an improv thing, which is. This always makes it easier for me, too, which is, if this is true, what else is true? It's just an easy generator. But write something that you would want to watch is like, of course I would do that. You know what I mean? And also, if you're thinking about it that way, you're not the only one. So it's really easy fun in.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. Also, it's gonna make it a better write for you. Of course, if you want to. You know, if that's the kind of thing you're gonna be interested in watching, you'll be more interested in writing it, too. Absolutely. And it won't make it as painful of a process, though. It's always painful.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

When were you out? So, like, how far along in your queer journey were you when lward fell upon your lap?

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, I was pretty far. I mean, I was like, 26 or 27. So, I mean, that's how long of a dearth I was. Oper. And I mean, I was. I. I kissed my first girl at 16. Totally seduced by a girl who had gone to boarding school. And she knew things I didn't.

[Matt Rogers]

And.

[Liz Feldman]

Thank you so much. And I didn't really know exactly what I was. Cause I had actually, weirdly, been boy crazy before. I had kissed a girl, then became girl crazy.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

And so, you know, this was long before fluidity or even bisexuality was like, a really accepted thing. And so I wasn't really. I was, like, still sort of trying to figure myself out. And my mother, at 17 years old, so I'm a senior in high school, gave me a letter. And she said, you're gonna read this in the car, and I'm gonna drive, and you're gonna read it in front of me. And she was driving me to my SAT tutor at the time. And I opened it up, and it was two poems. One poem was a daughter talking to the mother. It rhymed. And it was something like. I don't know what to say. When a girl walks by my way, I think I might be gay. And I'm reading this, and I'm in no way, shape, or form ready to, like, come out.

[Bowen Yang]

Then.

[Liz Feldman]

The second letter is actually a poem from the mother to the daughter also rhyming, and it says something like, you know, have no doubt. We'll figure it out, like, that kind of thing. And I was stunned. So my mother outed me at 17. I'm gonna guess a full five years before. I would have probably done so myself. And so that really started my journey.

[Bowen Yang]

Did that feel like an act of kindness or an act of. Of, like, shot? Like. Like, oh, I.

[Matt Rogers]

Please.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Or did it feel like an imposition?

[Liz Feldman]

It was a shock. I would call it a shock because I wasn't ready, of course. And I appreciate that she saw me, but she almost, like, saw me, too. Well, it's like, you know, she saw the X ray version of me where, you know, like, it was bones and everything. And I wasn't really ready for that. And I was mostly not ready to tell my father, who at the time was quite homophobic. And so I was like, just please don't tell Jack. I mean, it's 1994. 1994, so please don't tell dad. And then, of course, that night, my father, who's, like, very Brooklyn, comes home, and he's like, you, mother said you might have something that you might want to talk about. You having some questions. And I'm like, let me tell you who I don't want to ask these questions to.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

So I said. I just. I have to say, I really admire myself at that age because I was very self. I don't know. I felt I was self possessed. And I said, yeah, you know, I have been having questions, but it's okay, you know? And, you know, I think I like girls, but I also like boys and blah, blah, blah. And he kind of started to cry, which was very shocking because he's a really tough guy. And then he said he wanted me to go get my head checked by a psychiatrist. And I said, I'll only go if you come with me. And I was like, it was just such a weird time.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you go?

[Liz Feldman]

So we went, and I was 17. All I really cared about was driving. Like, I wasn't ready to, like, profess anything about who I would be or end up being with or anything like that. So we go all together. She gives me a psychological evaluation. We all meet separately with her, then we all meet together as a family with her. She said I was the most mentally stable teenager she had ever had in her office and that I didn't need therapy, but she recommended that my parents stay on.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. Icon.

[Liz Feldman]

I swear to God, we walk out of her office, My father gave me the keys to the car. It's the first time they let me drive the car home.

[Bowen Yang]

Have you written about this? This is incredible.

[Liz Feldman]

I've written a version of it. I did a short film with my sister Rebecca Feldman, who's a very talented writer and director in her own right. We did a short film called My First Time Driving. But I should say it's worth a revisit. It's worth a revisit for sure.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's stunning. Just like that image of them allowing you to drive them. While they've been told that as full grown adults they may have more to figure out. I mean, it's wild. I mean, when I was a little kid, I'll never forget one of the things that my dad told and I internalized was my dad's also a very Long island guy. And I remember he said to me, he was like, I know everything and if you ever have a question, you come to me and I will give you the answer because I know everything.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay, cool.

[Matt Rogers]

And so I think that he was just trying to make sure I didn't, you know, act out and go try. And I think it was well intentioned. Everything my father ever did was well intentioned. But, but internalizing that and then realizing that he like any man in the 90s and oughts, you know, like that's like my dad's a varsity football baseball coach. You know, and then the culture around us, you know, like very like patriarchal male dominated culture. And, and I do mean in all ways, as we all know. But to, to start to feel like my identity was at odds with what that society was saying was tough. And it wasn't like I could go to my dad with that question because I don't know that in 2004 he would have had the right thing to say. Ultimately he did and was lovely and is lovely and such a supporter and like such an. A wonderful, lovely man. But it's hard when your parents are supposed to be this thing.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And then you realize they're human. And so it sounds like in that story is what happened was not only did you confront and realize your parents humanity, but it was confirmed for you.

[Liz Feldman]

It was. It really was. And my parents had marital problems. And I realized too, it was my mother who had sort of whispered in my ear saying, tell your father that you won't go to therapy without him.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's.

[Liz Feldman]

And it was because she really wanted to go to therapy with him.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

And she was sort of trying to save her relationship. And you know, spoiler alert, they're Divorced. But, you know, that was the beginning, certainly, of seeing them as fallible, you know, vulnerable people, for sure.

[Bowen Yang]

And all of that catalyzed by your mom making you read this poem in the car.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like something was kind of foisted on you in that way.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. And I think it's because my mom ultimately is a very liberal and very accepting person. I think she knew who I was for long before I. And I think she knew that I had a father that would be oppositional to that. And I think she was also trying to sort of embolden me and protect me and also literally change him. And it took a minute, but he is a totally evolved person in that way. He is 88 years old. He was midlife. Yeah, midlife. God willing. I hope so. But he. He, like, gave a beautiful toast at my wedding, and, you know, I mean, like, he has really come around.

[Matt Rogers]

It's lovely to see. Not people change, sure. But men change. You know what I mean? Like, just to watch a straight man, like, that's a very. You have to be. And I don't give a lot of credit, but I will say that, you know, I really respect when my dad stands up to his friends who, like, trust Trump. You know what I mean? My dad will give it to these guys that, like, Trump.

[Liz Feldman]

Same.

[Matt Rogers]

Like. And, you know, my dad was in a. My dad was a phys. Ed. Teacher, like, varsity sports coach for a very long time, surrounded by attitudes that suck.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Attitudes that suck.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's really hard to be the person being like, hey, knock it off. Like, care for women, care for minorities, care for queer people, care for trans people. But there's a lot of people out there doing it.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I, I. And I think it's important. And I also, I just want to acknowledge that change is very difficult for some people. And you do have to be brave.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You have to be very brave to do that.

[Liz Feldman]

You really do. You really do. And. And I have to credit the fact that my father married a woman 30 years younger than him. That always happens after my parents got divorced. And so, you know, she has really helped him. Moderate. Wait, but can I. Can I just say that question you asked earlier of when you were asking, what's the age that you wish that you could be? My answer is 35.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. Exciting, because I got married at 35, and that was such a lifelong goal of mine that I thought would never be married.

[Matt Rogers]

To be married. I don't know why I had to.

[Bowen Yang]

Make it to 35.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, my lifelong dream. And that's. And that's on behalf queer. And that's unclear if I make it to third. I remember saying that about. Please. The moment, the moment I realized I was gay. The moment I remember I was 11 years old. And I remember the moment. I remember thinking the emotion was abject terror because I was like, I'll die. Yeah, for sure. Or like the world would have totally changed from what it is right now for me to like ever be okay with this or tell people about this.

[Bowen Yang]

Like.

[Matt Rogers]

So, yeah, honestly, like you say, I like to make it to 35, but I couldn't see 35 because as you were saying earlier, where were the examples of it?

[Liz Feldman]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

Where were the examples in media of us.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, it's true. I mean, like, so. So yeah, it is sort of poignant to have. Have said that, but I. Yeah. You know, when I was growing up, for most of my adulthood, gay marriage was not legal. And it was, I took it so personally because why is that a dream I'm not allowed to have? You know, and so when I finally met my wife, I was 31. And we didn't get married till we were 30, till I was 35, because it literally was illegal because of Prop 8. And at a certain point I got so mad that I was waiting for a law to change to do a thing that I felt very inherently was my right, was my God given human right to be able to express my love for another person in front of my family and friends. And so we actually went to New York where it had become legal. We got married legally in New York, then came back, had our wedding wedding in LA and six weeks later, Prop 8 overturned.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow. You could have waited a little bit longer.

[Liz Feldman]

We didn't wait for the man.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, we did it the way we wanted to do it.

[Bowen Yang]

That's good.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, yeah. But that was a wonderful time in my life. 35 and just, you know, being able to fulfill this dream with this wonderful person, my wife Rachel. And so I would say 35.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. I think it's a very. For some reason you love this age. It's a good age and it's a work for you.

[Liz Feldman]

Well, that's the age you're going to be next, right?

[Bowen Yang]

I can't wait.

[Matt Rogers]

November, baby, November.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

He's my Scorpio child.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Scorpio child. Precious.

[Matt Rogers]

What are you?

[Liz Feldman]

Of course you're a Pisces. Do you know that? Pisces are like my people.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I love. What are you a Cancer?

[Liz Feldman]

No, I'M a Gemini, you're a Gemini.

[Bowen Yang]

We all get along. We get along very well.

[Liz Feldman]

I mean, like, Scorpio. Like, we have our. Like, well, Scorpio, Gemini.

[Bowen Yang]

We get.

[Matt Rogers]

We.

[Bowen Yang]

We get a bad rap. I think Scorpio and Gemini is really. Because everyone clutches their pearls when we tell them are. And we're like, it's not.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, you're right. You guys are the ones that get the big reaction. And I always get, aww.

[Liz Feldman]

Well, Pisces, for some reason, like, I gravitate, especially professionally, towards Pisces. Silver Tree. A Pisces.

[Matt Rogers]

I think the same birthday.

[Liz Feldman]

Hutchinson. A Pisces.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. I mean, Cara di Apollo, another wonderful writer on the show. A Pisces.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

Maddie Dhaliwal, another writer on the show. A Pisces.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, your shows are very Pisces.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, how interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

I believe that they are because it's like, with Dead to Me, it's like. Which, by the way, we. I actually have to say, while you're here, that was. That's. That's gonna be looked back on as one of the great shows.

[Bowen Yang]

That's one of the great shows.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, it's one of the great shows with two of the great performances.

[Liz Feldman]

Agree, Agree about those performances.

[Matt Rogers]

I just. I mean, they're so brilliant. But the fact that it's a relationship that on paper, at the. On the beginning of the show, like, should not work at all for XYZ and beyond reasons. But it's just the. The connection and the empathy that they have for each other, because that's really what it's based in, is empathy.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's very Pisces.

[Liz Feldman]

It is. Well, I feel like you guys have a very similar Scorpio.

[Matt Rogers]

Pisces is everything.

[Liz Feldman]

Have a lot of empathy for each other. And I think that's what I. What I'm talking about when I see, like, there's that warmth between you.

[Bowen Yang]

It's an irrigated system. It's a water kind of. Of like the pipes are. The pipes are working.

[Matt Rogers]

We're a water cycle.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

We condense. We precipitate.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

We're mixing metaphors, but I. But it still works.

[Liz Feldman]

I get them.

[Bowen Yang]

Still works.

[Liz Feldman]

They're mixing, but I'm liking.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what. You know how. You know why that happens? It's because I often don't understand the metaphor.

[Bowen Yang]

No. I often don't quite stick the landing on the metaphor.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know my words, but I do know my heart. That is one of the most Pisces sayings. And it's my saying. It used to be on a throw pillow that we would sell on a merch website. Oh my God.

[Liz Feldman]

I'd buy that.

[Bowen Yang]

We will. We will do.

[Matt Rogers]

We'll do it.

[Bowen Yang]

We'll do. We'll do more merch. Thanks.

[Matt Rogers]

There will be more merch in year nine of Lost Cult. Speaking of Lost Coach, it's a podcast that has a segment and it's coming up right now.

[Liz Feldman]

I need some water.

[Matt Rogers]

So this is. I don't think so, honey. And I don't think so, honey to sort of break it down is a 60 second segment where, where each person on the podcast, its hosts and its guest or guests goes off for 60 seconds on something in pop culture that absolutely needs a da da, da dragging. And I sat in the car. We were just driving back from our shoot.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I said I had something and I'm gonna do it.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

This is something that is in the culture and it's remained. It's not having. It's not as big as it used to be. But I still. It's more personal. Anyway. Here we go.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Honey. Cameo. I can't because. And here's the thing, it's not that I don't like it as a service. I do think so, honey. Like everyone like getting, getting money from cameo, doing it, participating in it. Whenever I get a cameo gift, I can not watch it. I'm too embarrassed that the person is talking to me. Like, if I ever open a cameo, like years ago, you got me one for my birthday from Sandra Diaz Twine, Survivor icon. And I literally had to watch it in pieces. Is like throughout a couple days, 30 seconds. Because I couldn't believe she was talking to me. It's so intimate. Cameo. I don't think so, honey. You're looking at me in my eyes through the phone. My friend Nico got one from Tom Sandoval the other day and I've never watched it because I can't watch Tom Sandal do a cameo. I'm too embarrassed. Like, it's like. It's just. It's something. I don't know what it is. It's like when the culture awards happens and people said in their videos, there are ones I have never watched.

[Bowen Yang]

Five seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

I just can't. I don't think so, honey. Celebrities, live your life. Don't think about me. Don't talk to me. For $35, Nico got one for Tom.

[Bowen Yang]

Sandoval to Talk to you?

[Matt Rogers]

No. It was Nico's birthday a couple weeks ago and he was sent one from Tom Sandoval. And I was just like, I saw all my friends talking about it and I was like, I can't watch it. There's something about. Because I've gotten them from, like, housewives before because those are fun ones. Because, you know, they're all on cameo and you get it and you're just like, like, I don't know, like, like what, what they're told to say to you when.

[Bowen Yang]

The way that they.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not personal. It's literally filtered. So you. Maybe it's that I think I'm wasting their time. But then again, it's like they're getting.

[Bowen Yang]

Paid and they're getting paid.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah. It's like the cross section between vulnerability and inauthenticity.

[Matt Rogers]

Correct.

[Liz Feldman]

Because, like, it is vulnerable. Because you're like, they need $35 to. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

It's like getting with a bag on your head.

[Liz Feldman]

Exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

[Liz Feldman]

I don't totally get that.

[Matt Rogers]

But yes, again, I don't think I understand my own.

[Liz Feldman]

It's.

[Bowen Yang]

It's intimate, but it's like they don't know who you are, what you look.

[Liz Feldman]

Like, and they're like saying things about you and it feels a little patronizing.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yes.

[Liz Feldman]

And also. But like, because you're an empathic person, you feel a little bit, like, embarrassed for them.

[Matt Rogers]

By the way, I used to do cameos all the time. Say he's, he's.

[Bowen Yang]

He's been on.

[Matt Rogers]

I used to make money doing cameos, especially during the pandemic, because you could just sit there on your phone. You made nothing but time and just cameo, cameo, cameo, cameo. Came. Cameo. Like, that's not it.

[Bowen Yang]

It's.

[Matt Rogers]

It's. It's specifically the act of receiving one. Now that I've done this on the podcast, I'm going to get tons from my friends who, like, throw 50 bucks. By the way, it is my birthday, so.

[Liz Feldman]

That's true.

[Matt Rogers]

Now. Now it's really going down.

[Liz Feldman]

If you, if you had to get a cameo from somebody, who would.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, it would be a housewife. If I had to get a cameo from someone. Well, you know, I got a cameo from Parvity a really long time ago.

[Bowen Yang]

From Survivor, and now she's our.

[Matt Rogers]

So I guess. Cause who's a housewife? I can't really go up to because I'm too scared.

[Bowen Yang]

You were quite brave with the housewives. You're braver than I am.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I'VE been on watch what happens live with a bunch of them, but I don't know, it's like maybe one Lisa Barlow. Lisa Barlow. I've met. No, Lisa Rinna.

[Bowen Yang]

Lisa Rinna.

[Matt Rogers]

Get me a cameo from Lisa Rinna. I'll be happy.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

By the way, she and Harry Hamlin have a new podcast, and they get into it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Let's not talk about the husband.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's not talk about the husband. It's called.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, I love that.

[Matt Rogers]

Anyway, so that's mine. Bo Yang, do you have an idol? Think so, honey. On today, I think I have to.

[Liz Feldman]

Follow the two of you. Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't worry. Oh, please. We're nothing.

[Bowen Yang]

Don't worry about it.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

This might still be a topic of conversation by the time this episode comes out.

[Matt Rogers]

I think if. If you're talking about it, people are talking about it. This is Bo and Yang's. I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now. I don't think so, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, the White Lotus theme song sucks. Now it's not. Customer service. Let Mike White make his creator decisions. He is at the helm of this hit series that you are privileged to be watching.

[Matt Rogers]

You're privileged.

[Bowen Yang]

You are sitting among. You're listening to three people who know the ins and outs of showbiz very well. And I'm sure none of us here have complaints about the White Lotus theme. It's a new take on. It's gonna be different, and it's a new location. As the tagline of the poster says, same luxury, new reservation. Something has to be new.

[Matt Rogers]

Really good job, guys.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm just happy to see Lisa acting down.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep. La Lisa. I'm happy.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm happy to see Parker to see.

[Matt Rogers]

15 seconds, Parker.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm happy to see Michelle and Lisa.

[Matt Rogers]

Leslie and Carrie and all of the.

[Bowen Yang]

Stars of the White Lotus Season 2. I'm just happy it's back.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I'm so happy it's back.

[Bowen Yang]

Everyone's moaning and bitching and. And growing.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what?

[Bowen Yang]

The new theme song, it's because the.

[Matt Rogers]

Second one was such a bop, of course. But they didn't even. It wasn't. Here's the thing. It's like, had they tried to make a bop this time and it, like, kind of flopped, that would be one thing.

[Bowen Yang]

People would have been even more pissed.

[Matt Rogers]

But this is just. This is like a score. This is like a different vibe.

[Bowen Yang]

It has a thai. Sort of, like, inflection on it.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, it's okay. The fact that people are even talking about the theme song at all shows you how powerful the show is. Exactly when do you ever talk about theme songs?

[Bowen Yang]

Songs in this day and age?

[Liz Feldman]

I dare you to even hum another one. Like there's there there. It's very hard to make one that breaks. That's a 20 year old theme song.

[Matt Rogers]

We love you, Sard. Jessica.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. We love you.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm like, I'm loving White Lotus this season. Oh, I mean, I love it every.

[Liz Feldman]

We're only one deep though. I mean, I'm in. I'm in, of course.

[Matt Rogers]

But I watched the first episode twice. I have to say my favorite moment of the whole episode was when Carrie Coon goes upstairs and she's been being sort of left out by the friends and she has that one heave of a sob.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, oh, my God. That was. And I was waiting for Carrie Coon to carry Coon and you know she's gonna coon out.

[Bowen Yang]

She's gonna carry One of our favorite actors.

[Liz Feldman]

I would say she's a very, very versatile and very effective actress.

[Matt Rogers]

I would say brilliant.

[Liz Feldman]

And she pierces, Pierces.

[Matt Rogers]

And I. I love that whole cat. I mean, I think it's great. You know who else I'm obsessed with is Amy Lou Wood. Who's the British girlfriend?

[Liz Feldman]

The younger girlfriend.

[Matt Rogers]

She's great, man.

[Bowen Yang]

I have a Goggins head. I love Walton Goggins.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I love him in everything I see he's going off.

[Matt Rogers]

And also to say nothing of Parker Posey. And let me tell you something, something. Lot of idiots on Twitter dragging the accent.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, relax.

[Matt Rogers]

You relax.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, come on.

[Matt Rogers]

You let Parker Posey do her thing.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay, Posey's gonna Posey. And let me tell you what, like, what a delight. She just opens her mouth and I'm like. I just. I'm like smiling immediately. I just. I just. There's something that she can just fucking eat the scenery. I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

She wasn't the queen of indie movies for not like she knows what she's doing. Everybody calm down.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, you don't know how to make a choice better than her. And I suggest you shut up.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh, yeah. Or rewatch Waiting for Guffman.

[Matt Rogers]

Can you believe fucking God teachers. When she. In this last episode, she goes scratch my arm. That was good. I enjoyed that. I wonder if that was a fun run.

[Liz Feldman]

But I bow down to Mike White. He's so good at what he does. And evidently he does it all by himself, which is so impressive because I need a room full of writers to lift me up and to help me see Everything through. So brilliant. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know who's going to be on the show in a few weeks? The Speaking of amazing actors created by ucb, Natasha Rothwell is finally coming on Lost. Coach.

[Liz Feldman]

Oh my gosh.

[Matt Rogers]

We are so excited. Legend.

[Liz Feldman]

Huge fan of hers.

[Matt Rogers]

Huge fan. Great.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. I love her.

[Bowen Yang]

All right, it's time.

[Liz Feldman]

Okay. So I feel. Okay, I hope that. Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Okay. So this is a big moment.

[Liz Feldman]

It's a big moment.

[Matt Rogers]

This is Liz Feldman's. I don't think so, honey. Are you ready?

[Bowen Yang]

This is going to turn.

[Liz Feldman]

I don't know if I'm ready, but.

[Matt Rogers]

You are. Okay. This is Liz Feldman's. I don't think so, honey. Her title time starts now.

[Liz Feldman]

I don't think so, honey. The Pete's coffee shop moving in across the street from the fancy Starbucks, which is next to the blue bottle, which is literally also across the street from a coffee bean in my neighborhood. Yes. There is an empty, beautiful piece of retail real estate that could be literally anything. But it's going to be a Peat's coffee. Look, I have nothing against against Pete's and I will probably even go there first as like, just as an experience, but then probably also just every day because it's on my side of the street. But Jesus Christ, how many coffee shops can one square block hold before a fucking sinkhole forms and we all get sucked into the abyss of corporate caffeine driven capitalism?

[Matt Rogers]

15 seconds.

[Liz Feldman]

Falling. Honey, no one needs that many options for where to get a peppermint gingerbread caramel caramel chocolate mocha latte.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Liz Feldman]

It could be literally anything.

[Matt Rogers]

Five seconds.

[Bowen Yang]

It could be.

[Liz Feldman]

It could be a Planned Parenthood. It could be a trans healthcare clinic or a van next door.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Liz Feldman]

Because of rfk.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, and that's one minute. A fourth coffee shop.

[Liz Feldman]

A four. I. I wish I was exaggerating. A fourth coffee shop in one square block.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I ask?

[Liz Feldman]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Favorite of the four. Yep, that's favorite.

[Matt Rogers]

And why is it insert here?

[Liz Feldman]

I'm going to be honest, I walk past all four. However, like go to a local coffee shop.

[Matt Rogers]

You're so right.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I usually do. I was going to say blue bottle.

[Bowen Yang]

I like, I like a blue bottle, but it's Starbucks. But it's Pete's. Eventually. But it's Starbucks. Blue bottle. What's the fourth coffee bean? Coffee bean. I do like a Coffee bean, but.

[Liz Feldman]

It is a coffee bean. In a parking lot. It's in a parking lot.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Liz Feldman]

Of an Albertsons.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, you guys have Albertsons.

[Matt Rogers]

That is a big Albertsons. That one.

[Liz Feldman]

She's. She's a big girl.

[Bowen Yang]

Big, big girl. Oh, we used to have Albertsons in Colorado. They're all gone. Gone now. I think the only ones that are left are in California. That's sad.

[Matt Rogers]

Not me mourning a chain.

[Bowen Yang]

A chain. After Liz just artfully took down our corporate driven.

[Liz Feldman]

I have nothing wrong with corporate entities, and I shop at places that are very.

[Matt Rogers]

This is a My Heart podcast, so shape up.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no.

[Liz Feldman]

I love you. I heart. I heart. But.

[Bowen Yang]

I heart. I heart.

[Liz Feldman]

I heart. I heart. But. But. I mean, but truly, like, if you're. If you're gonna peel back your. Your efforts to help people and employ people and protect people, then I'm gonna peel back my dollars.

[Bowen Yang]

There you go.

[Matt Rogers]

100%.

[Bowen Yang]

It is egregious to have four on one block.

[Matt Rogers]

That's crazy.

[Liz Feldman]

That's silly. When that space opened, we were so excited by the infinite possibilities. A bagel store. Mayhaps.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Liz Feldman]

You know, a flower shop that, like, wraps.

[Matt Rogers]

I love Mayhaps. You know what's so funny? You wrote mayhaps into one of my character's lines.

[Liz Feldman]

I sure did.

[Matt Rogers]

And I had never heard anyone say the word mayhaps before.

[Bowen Yang]

I love me. Mayhaps. We're. We're connected.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, we are.

[Matt Rogers]

Did Mayhap is my haps in the show? Did I. Do I say mayhaps?

[Liz Feldman]

I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure you do.

[Matt Rogers]

What is it? Yeah, a mouse.

[Liz Feldman]

Per Snaps is Kelly. Kelly took Mayhaps and put it on its little side for Per Snaps. But, yeah, Per snaps is.

[Bowen Yang]

Mayhaps is like, cool. Queer sibling.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah, definitely you.

[Matt Rogers]

You queer words.

[Liz Feldman]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I appreciate that. As someone who also does this.

[Liz Feldman]

Yes. We. I feel like we are very simpatic. I like. I like. I love wordplay. Sorry I said it. Yes. But I do. I love to. I'm a lady of letters, and I like to mix it around and make them sound fun.

[Matt Rogers]

There was one improv I did that. There was a tiny little meeting about whether it was too much of a swing and they left it in. Do you know what I'm talking about?

[Liz Feldman]

Sigourns.

[Matt Rogers]

We hit a slight Snugorny Weaver.

[Bowen Yang]

No, you have to keep it.

[Matt Rogers]

They were like, he has to do it the real way because we don't know, but, like, we do like it. And I was like, so let me.

[Liz Feldman]

Tell you what made it into the show, and let me tell you what made me laugh. Every single time in editing, we hit a little snigorny.

[Bowen Yang]

That's that's an ad lib.

[Liz Feldman]

When he's. He's with Rey and they're. Well, I don't want to give anything away for people, but he's with Rey and there's maybe a room that like, maybe has a little bit of a stench.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Liz Feldman]

And Rey's trying to say, oh, it's rat piss. And he's like, that's human piss. I know what human piss smells like. I was single once.

[Bowen Yang]

I loved that.

[Liz Feldman]

I was single once. Is him.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

It tells you so much about the character.

[Liz Feldman]

It does, it does.

[Matt Rogers]

This has been so much fun.

[Liz Feldman]

I agree. What an honor. I feel honestly, like when. When I was asked to come on, I really thought I was like, dreaming or something. This is like truly, truly a dream. Super honored. I'm a big fan of you both. I think you're both incredible humans and also just hilarious and a gift.

[Bowen Yang]

Liz, you're a true culture maker and you literally. I'm so glad we got to talk about the arc of the L Word to now for you, which is truly speaking to your impact and the way you put really important things into the world. And I feel like I. This is gonna kill me for saying this, but I go on your Instagram and I'm like, oh, thank God we've got like, you're still on it. You're still, like out there, like saying the things politically.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, you do, you do be saying the stuff. And it's important.

[Liz Feldman]

Cause I say the stuff, you say this stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

And I love that you say the stuff more. Both of you are.

[Matt Rogers]

You're very outspoken.

[Bowen Yang]

Are motivating me to say the stuff more.

[Liz Feldman]

I think right now the stuff needs to be said. And if we're not going to say it, who will?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I mean, and with that here to make friends. March 14, which is a Friday, which is the best day outside of today. It's been a lovely day. And you can stream these Netflix series. Dead to me and no good deed because Liz is the best. And we end every episode with a song.

[Liz Feldman]

Can't wait.

[Matt Rogers]

Is that a key change? I never thought about that before.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a key change.

[Matt Rogers]

The Sex and the City theme has a key change. That's actually roller culture number four. The Sex and the City theme has a key change. Hi.

[Bowen Yang]

Las Culturistas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hasnier.

[Bowen Yang]

Produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Bateman, Monique Laborde.

[Matt Rogers]

And our music is by Henry Komirsky.