“For The Night” (w/ Charli XCX) - Matt’s Pick for Best of 2024!

Summary

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang Episode Summary: “For The Night” (w/ Charli XCX) - Matt’s Pick for Best of 2024! Release Date: December 25, 2024

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Introduction: Celebrating the Best of 2024

In this special holiday episode, hosts Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang take a winter break from regular programming to celebrate the standout moments of the year by re-releasing some of their favorite episodes. Matt proudly selects the episode featuring pop sensation Charli XCX titled “For The Night” as his top pick for 2024.

Matt Rogers [02:56]: "This was not a difficult decision for me at all. I have chosen 'For The Night' with Charli XCX, and here's a little bit about why."

Alice from the Big Money Players Network explains the cultural impact of Charli’s album Brat, highlighting its honest lyrics and progressive themes that resonated deeply with listeners.

Deep Dive with Charli XCX: Exploring "Brat"

Charli XCX joins Matt and Bowen to discuss her latest album, Brat, delving into the inspirations and creative processes behind her music.

Charli XCX [09:10]: "This album is going to give you everything you want and more."

The conversation centers on the emotional and sonic depth of Brat, with Matt praising the album’s ability to blend honesty with catchy pop beats.

Matt Rogers [09:11]: "It's a really penetrative album, emotionally penetrative."

Charli reflects on her songwriting evolution, emphasizing a more lyrically driven approach compared to her previous works. She shares personal anecdotes about her relationships and the influence of her friend’s journey into parenthood on her music.

Charli XCX [26:18]: "Like, the way I used to be so similar, and now your worldview... you're completely different because you have this new perspective."

Cultural Reflections: Reality TV and Celebrity Dynamics

The trio transitions into a discussion about reality TV, specifically focusing on "The Real Housewives of Salt Lake City". Charli critiques the interpersonal dynamics and the portrayal of conflict within the show.

Charli XCX [11:20]: "Are you Pro Monica or are you Auntie Monica?"

Matt and Bowen analyze the cultural significance of celebrity interactions and the blurred lines between public personas and authentic selves.

Matt Rogers [12:24]: "I just want to watch a show where everyone speaks to each other because it gets boring when you have a cast that's like, I'm not talking to her."

Navigating Modern Celebrity Culture

The conversation shifts to the pressures of maintaining a public image in the age of social media and constant media scrutiny. Charli emphasizes the challenge of balancing authenticity with the demands of being a pop icon.

Charli XCX [19:04]: "There is such a competitiveness between us. There is envy. There is camaraderie."

Bowen and Matt explore how artists like Charli navigate these complexities, striving to remain genuine while meeting audience expectations.

Matt Rogers [22:25]: "I can't stand the morality thing as it applies."

Touring and Live Performances: The Coachella Experience

Charli shares her experiences performing at major festivals like Coachella, highlighting the differences between live audiences and broadcast performances.

Charli XCX [62:24]: "It was very, like, this completely reveals what you think, like, a pop girly should appear and how they should put out their work."

Matt reminisces about past performances and the unique energy of live shows, contrasting them with the more controlled environment of televised events.

Matt Rogers [63:56]: "What I love is when she speaks to her therapist, who's a real icon."

Future Endeavors: Collaborative Tours and Artistic Growth

The episode concludes with discussions about potential collaborative tours and the alignment of musical styles between Charli and the hosts. They express excitement about future projects and the possibility of performing together.

Charli XCX [66:53]: "Because it really made sense, and we could see how it would really, like, flow and work together."

Bowen encourages Charli to embrace her unique artistic identity, reinforcing the importance of staying true to oneself amidst external pressures.

Bowen Yang [66:53]: "You guys should together. Beauty and the Beast. You guys should use Beauty."

Closing Remarks: Embracing Authenticity in Culture

As the episode wraps up, Matt and Bowen reflect on the importance of authenticity in both personal and artistic realms. They commend Charli for her candidness and commitment to genuine expression.

Matt Rogers [86:03]: "You don't have to be yourself, nor should you have to."

Charli affirms her dedication to being real and encourages listeners to find joy in their true selves.

Charli XCX [86:11]: "Thanks for loving me."

Notable Quotes

• Matt Rogers [02:56]: "This was not a difficult decision for me at all. I have chosen 'For The Night' with Charli XCX, and here's a little bit about why."
• Charli XCX [09:10]: "This album is going to give you everything you want and more."
• Charli XCX [19:04]: "There is such a competitiveness between us. There is envy. There is camaraderie."
• Bowen Yang [66:53]: "You guys should together. Beauty and the Beast. You guys should use Beauty."

Conclusion

This episode of Las Culturistas offers an in-depth look into Charli XCX's artistic journey, her latest album Brat, and her perspectives on modern celebrity culture. Through engaging conversations and candid exchanges, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang uncover the layers of authenticity and creative expression that define contemporary pop culture.

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Note: Timestamps are approximate and correspond to notable segments within the episode.

Transcript

[Matt Rogers]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Charli XCX]

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[Bowen Yang]

We'Ve all got a thing, an obsession. For some of us, it's vintage fashion. Our cars, or anything we can collect.

[Matt Rogers]

They all live under one roof. Ebay.

[Bowen Yang]

It's where closets get filled with statement pieces and vintage finds, where must have sneakers wait for you and design Designer handbags are the real deal on ebay.

[Matt Rogers]

Doors open to stacks of the rarest.

[Bowen Yang]

Trading cards and a garage stocked with all the car parts you need for any DIY job.

[Matt Rogers]

Ebay is home to whatever thing you're into that keeps you up at night. Ebay Things people love it's better over here.

[Becca Ramos]

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[Matt Rogers]

Is Matt and as you know we are going to be taking the next few weeks off, a little winter break for us, but we wanted to use this time to not have the feed be totally empty. So we are going to be doing some RE releases and the intent behind these is to share some episodes that we just want to shine a light on some of the best of the year. So this week is my choice and the next week you're going to hear Bowens and then the week after that. Our producers Ana Hasnier and Becca Ramos have teamed up to choose their top episode of the year. This was not a difficult decision for me at all. I have chosen for the night with Charli xcx and here's a little bit about why. I mean, I think we can all agree that Brat was the cultural phenomenon of the year. It just had so much crossover appeal in fashion and music and politics. Yeesh. But looking back, we did not know that at the time. I remember we got Brat a little bit early and I listened to it the morning of our episode and I was really struck by the honesty in Charlie's lyrics, the progression in her music, like I always am. But there was something really different and special about Brat. And if you listen to the episode, a lot of the conversations that we have about, you know, the lyrical content and the ideas that she's engaging in, this episode was the first time where she talked about a lot of that stuff. You even hear her say like in terms of girl. So confusing. We asked her who it's about and we have like a little bit of a fun back and forth with her about it. And she's, you know, she's weighing whether or not to even say who it's about. And then weeks later, obviously, you know, the Lord remix came out and then, you know, just snowballed into this cultural phenomenon that I feel like this had to be the episode that we re released. So I'm super excited to share again with you for the night with Charli xcx. She also has a lot of interesting, fun things to say about Salt Lake City's last season. So it's kind of reaching back to our last episode with Angie too. But I just felt like this was the perfect, perfect episode to share with all of you. And I love Charlie and you know the Grammys are coming up, so I guess you can consider this a four year consideration ad as well. Y'all know how I feel about brat and how it should be taking album of the year. That's just my opinion. But yeah. So this is for the night with Charlie xcx. Happy holidays. Thank you all so much. We'll see you in 2025. Next week is Bowen Yang's pick. But here's Charlie for now. Look, man, there. Oh, I see. My, oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Is that culture? Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Good. Las culturistas.

[Matt Rogers]

Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. We're off to the races here today. We've ate some pret.

[Bowen Yang]

British culture.

[Matt Rogers]

British culture. More to come. I will say I'm a little upset about how much almond milk is in this.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, if the cameras are picking this up, Listeners at home who can't see this, this is Dunkin Donuts level chicanery. It's pure. It's milk with a little bit of iced coffee.

[Matt Rogers]

I was gonna use the word chicanery too, for the record. And I just wanna say I wouldn't even want to walk down the street and people think that I have to coffee like this. Like, if this is just more almond milk than anything, I'm. Can I get an amen up in here? In the words of RuPaul, this is just.

[Bowen Yang]

There's also like a weird pallid color to it.

[Matt Rogers]

It doesn't have what I would call a healthy looking color. And you guys all feel me out there. You want coffee, not milk. It looks like chocolate.

[Bowen Yang]

It looks.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you, Becca. It looks like chocolate milk.

[Bowen Yang]

I was going to say Nesquik Rabbit ran amok.

[Matt Rogers]

Last I checked, I wasn't 8 years old in my basement where I would drink chocolate milk on the regular.

[Bowen Yang]

What's your merch story, Matt? Just with like an artist that.

[Matt Rogers]

You love my merch story.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm wearing merch.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm being vulnerable.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm wearing merch right now.

[Matt Rogers]

Bowen is in Charlie merch. And by the way, it's very cute merch, which I say is a compliment to you. The wearer and you the seller. My merch story is I'm also currently wearing merch for drive Away dolls. This is Focus Features sent us this merch and I said, that's cute and I will wear it on the thing. I didn't know they were gonna do this. They sent it to us. And after seeing the movie Challengers, I thought threesome culture is sort of in. I do think it's the year of the threesome.

[Bowen Yang]

Of mmf.

[Matt Rogers]

Of MMF threesome. And so I'm just sort of encouraging that here on the podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

I hope you receive.

[Matt Rogers]

Who knows what happens today during the episode. I don't think it will be an.

[Bowen Yang]

MMF threesome, but we've got MMF here now. Would you say that, like, if. Between. Between, let's say, like mmf. Two dicks, one vad, Right?

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, sure.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's just go in with that parameter. Yeah, I might get so, like, dick confused that I'm like, yeah, of course there's a vagina in the mix.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen, all I know and, like, it's not shocking. You can't think about it too hard. I think when it comes to threesomes, you have to just take it moment by moment. Yeah, I've had two in my life and getting out of my way was important. No, I've had three. So the first one, I was very in my own way the entire time. And I was like, I am doing this with more than one person and I'm.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a. A little bit of a brain teaser.

[Matt Rogers]

And then the second, you just let that go and you have a wonderful time.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what happened to me the first time?

[Matt Rogers]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

I was facing forward, facing someone great true north, and it was true north. And then jump scare behind me, literally.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, oh, wait, like, someone stuck it in.

[Bowen Yang]

They didn't stick it in. They just kind of nestled behind me. And I was like, oh, I forgot.

[Matt Rogers]

The crazy thing is when you're facing true north and sort of giving that, AKA you're one, one, one person. You're a giving partner. All of a sudden you feel the third kind of really come through the back and you're like, I'm not in that zone right now. I need to know. So let's just all communicate and take it moment by moment. Everyone. And that's sort of our challengers, if.

[Bowen Yang]

You want a little educational video.

[Matt Rogers]

But again, you never see any threesome challengers.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't see any penetration.

[Matt Rogers]

Anyway, what's penetrated me is the new album.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a really penetrative album, emotionally Penetrative.

[Matt Rogers]

Obviously sonically and physically penetrative in the best way. In a way that I invite.

[Bowen Yang]

And I'm open wide for angels if you're listening. This might be offensive to the guest. If you mourn XCX world the way that some of us out here do, this album is going to give you everything you want and more.

[Matt Rogers]

You're about to party.

[Bowen Yang]

We're about, we're, we're about to party.

[Matt Rogers]

But you're also about to feel. And this is what I love about our guest and like, it's just so sort of singular and iconic is like, what I love is like, you know, like emotional pop music. And you always get our guests perspective. Her pov, it's always interesting and specific no matter what it is. I, I was telling Bowen like when we were just at Pret a Manger where we have all of our good conversations. I'm a huge fan of our guest ballads.

[Bowen Yang]

You're a ballad girl.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, I'm a ballad girl and like, you give that. And I'm just so excited. The new album Brat is coming out June 7th.

[Bowen Yang]

June 7th. She's doing the Brat tour and then she's going to the Sweat tour with Troye Sivan and the little known artist Troye Sivan.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

So she's doing Brat Sweat. Brat. Why are you laughing?

[Charli XCX]

It's just so funny that I'm just silent. Silent that you're just sitting there. I'm like, I'm not sure when I'm supposed to.

[Bowen Yang]

Don't you worry.

[Matt Rogers]

One, two, three, tri. Exeact.

[Charli XCX]

That was so fun just listening to you guys gab away.

[Bowen Yang]

We're gabbers.

[Matt Rogers]

We can say the same thing about what you gab and sing about on your records. We're having fun too.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, good.

[Matt Rogers]

You are the most fun. You do truly intrinsically understand how to make us have fun.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, that's so nice.

[Bowen Yang]

We were having fun on the way in. You've got a big day.

[Charli XCX]

Got a big day.

[Bowen Yang]

We're recording this. We're gonna release it closer to the album release. But you're going on Seth with Troye and then watch what happens live also with Troy.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you on with a housewife, do you know?

[Charli XCX]

No. I'm so sad about that.

[Bowen Yang]

You're just on solo.

[Charli XCX]

No, it's another man.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Charli XCX]

I couldn't tell you who it is.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, exactly. And I love that we will find out later who it is when the episode airs and we'll be like, oh, that's who.

[Charli XCX]

And I'll be like, it's I love you. I'm such a fan.

[Bowen Yang]

Summer House, Martha's Vineyard.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that show.

[Bowen Yang]

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Charli XCX]

No, I don't know. I think his name's Joe.

[Bowen Yang]

Joe. That's Biden.

[Matt Rogers]

He sounds Joe Biden. It's you and Joe Biden. And honestly, he's going to ask you to be vp. It's going to be amazing and really burn it down.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. We were talking in here about last time. You weren't. You were on. You were not as versed in the Bravo verse.

[Charli XCX]

True.

[Bowen Yang]

And now you are all in on Salt Lake City.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

And you asked us a really important question, which was. You want to ask us again?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. My question for you both is, are you Pro Monica or are you Auntie Monica? I'm Thai. Sorry.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no, that's okay. We. And the way we answered was Auntie Monica. We're Auntie Monica. We were. Don't make fun of our guests.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I say Auntie as well.

[Bowen Yang]

We were. So my answer was. In the beginning, when it all went down, we were very anti. We were like, get her off. Like, none of the women would want to film with her. She is not allowed anywhere near them. And then now that they announced that she is no longer there, we're like, oh, it's gonna miss something.

[Charli XCX]

It's a travesty.

[Matt Rogers]

My thing is, I just want to watch a show where everyone speaks to each other because it gets boring when you have a cast that's like, I'm not talking to her. You'll see once you branch out to other franchises. It's like when a cast is not operating as a group, it's bad. And they were also scorched earth with Monica at the end unwilling to speak to her. Can you give thoughts on Mary Cosby from your Charlie perspective?

[Charli XCX]

I mean, this woman is just.

[Bowen Yang]

She's on the album. She's gonna be on attack.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. The full remix record is just her. It's just me. She is. I mean, I don't even know where you begin. It's like, I love her and I hate her.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure.

[Bowen Yang]

But do we all agree you love her and you're here? No, that's totally fair.

[Charli XCX]

My friend saw her at Sunset Tower.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, wow.

[Charli XCX]

And apparently she was really rude to her.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that tracks one of the millions.

[Charli XCX]

She was like. My friend was like, oh, can I sit here at the bar? And she was like, no. And then my friend was like, do you have someone coming? And she was like, yeah. And then obviously no one came, and it was just for her. Bag.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God, Mary.

[Charli XCX]

And then at the same time, I'm like, that's Mary. Legend.

[Matt Rogers]

Legend. Let her do what she wants.

[Charli XCX]

Inbred comment.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I was gonna say. And then she called your friend inbred or something.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the inbred comment followed up with Heather asking her, did you really call me inbred? And she goes, I did, I did.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I did. Iconic.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, you dumb bitch, I did.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you really?

[Bowen Yang]

I do, I do.

[Matt Rogers]

And then when they, like, went through it at the reunion too, it was so bizarre because Heather was kind of just like, threw up her hands and was like, listen, I respect that she said it. She speaks her truth. It's like, can you please just swing one fist? Heather, do we all agree, though?

[Bowen Yang]

They talk to her like she's five years old. Either she's a mental patient, which she might be. And like, she's a five year old, they're afraid of her.

[Charli XCX]

They're afraid. I mean, she gets a lot of free passes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, because. Well, that was funny when she was on Watch what Happens Live. Like, they asked her a question like, why'd you come back? And she fully just goes to help you guys out.

[Bowen Yang]

Ugh.

[Charli XCX]

And I said, but again, I mean, love, love, love.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause you wanna know why there's, like, not a thirsty bone in her body or, like a bothered bone in her body? Because you can tell she doesn't really get it right. So she's just, like, gonna show up and say whatever the fuck it is. The rumor is now that she called Lisa Barlow's youngest son the R word.

[Bowen Yang]

The R word.

[Matt Rogers]

That is the rumor that's happening for next season.

[Bowen Yang]

Thoughts on that? You don't have to recap.

[Charli XCX]

I see. I see. I can imagine it happening.

[Bowen Yang]

You can imagine it happening?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I can imagine it happening. I'm fascinated by her wardrobe.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And the choices and the choices.

[Matt Rogers]

Many colors, many patterns.

[Charli XCX]

It's like she got dressed in the dark five times in a row.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And then she just went out with all of it on.

[Matt Rogers]

And isn't it funny that she's like the fashion girl.

[Charli XCX]

She's the fashion girl. I mean, the thing is, she's going to come for us. So are you ready? Like, if she hears this, she's coming for us.

[Bowen Yang]

I wonder if she cares. I don't think she cares what we think.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, maybe.

[Matt Rogers]

Maybe. That would be a chic feud for you, though, Mary M. Cosby. That's what no one would ever see coming.

[Charli XCX]

It would be so good. It would Be so good. I'm pro Monica.

[Bowen Yang]

You're pro Monica. That's great.

[Charli XCX]

I just want to pivot back to that. I'm pro Monica.

[Bowen Yang]

And you said to us, you know, what she did wasn't really that bad. And we agree. But it would be like if Troy ran a troll account for, like, an anti Charlie Troy, like, everyone leave after my story.

[Charli XCX]

But is. But is. Was she. Okay, here's the thing. I'm pretty like, flag in the sand on, like, I'm pro Monica, but I haven't actually done much research into reality Von Teese. So I'm basing that on nothing. But I've heard from friends who I trust dearly that she wasn't really, like, talking shit about the women.

[Matt Rogers]

So it was really more of a Jen Shah thing.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And obviously that was her narrative on the show, which I was a little bit like, okay, yeah, yeah. But, you know, God love her. But I was like, surely she's using that a little bit.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Charli XCX]

But my reliable friends say that that was the case, that she wasn't really talking about the women.

[Bowen Yang]

I believe you're a reliable friend.

[Charli XCX]

So then I'm just like. Also, I'm like, guys, you're on Housewives.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You know what it was, though?

[Charli XCX]

You know, calling Kessel Black 100%.

[Matt Rogers]

She ran out of steam when it came to defending herself and explaining it. Like, I felt like she sort of, like, threw up the white flag, as it were. When it was go time. It was like, okay, this is the reunion. Explain what it was and what exonerates you about this. And it felt like she kind of just took it because she got confused and started to lean into the villain narrative, thinking that's what people would want when it was like, no, what you want is to stay on the show. And they won't film with you unless.

[Bowen Yang]

You can explain yourself.

[Matt Rogers]

Get them on board.

[Bowen Yang]

And then I think she was gearing up, up to bring out that Burn Book prop. Like, she was like, prop.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that was rough and a half.

[Charli XCX]

The Burn Book didn't land. That all went a bit awry, didn't it?

[Matt Rogers]

I think so.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You gotta. You've got a Mean Girls track on your album.

[Charli XCX]

I have.

[Matt Rogers]

I love this song.

[Bowen Yang]

Love it.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

Because it really is for that girl.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

And for gays that are trying to be that girl that day.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. You know what's interesting about that song is I'm gonna take these off. Do I have marks?

[Bowen Yang]

No, you don't.

[Charli XCX]

Okay, excellent. So the thing is about the Mean Girls Song on my album is that.

[Bowen Yang]

It'S kind of like a fascination with women like that in the culture.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Oh, you know what? I was actually totally in my brain talking about a different song on my record. No, I. Now I remember. We're talking about Mean girls. Yep. Sorry. No, that really is just about, like, being a bitch.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Which we love.

[Charli XCX]

Which we love to walk around.

[Matt Rogers]

What song were you thinking of?

[Charli XCX]

Sorry. I was thinking of. Sorry, I was thinking about. So confusing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I have questions about this, and.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

You don't have. I wonder if you have answers.

[Bowen Yang]

I think you've already. And look, we're not entitled to any information. Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Who's this about?

[Charli XCX]

No, I. Miriam Cosby. Totally. No, you know, I haven't. This is early.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Like, this is the first time I've spoken about this song. You guys are the first people to ask me. So I haven't quite decided whether I'm revealing a problem. When I wrote it, I was like, I'm revealing. But now, you know, now the time is here. I'm like, oh, am I revealing? I think I should reveal. I think not for your benefit, just in general.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that whatever is going to. I feel like at some point. Yeah. In 30 years.

[Charli XCX]

My thing is, people are gonna guess.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I've already guessed.

[Charli XCX]

Probably both have an accurate guess. And I'm not gonna ask you to say out loud because you'll tell by my face.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But afterwards, I'm gonna ask pro.

[Charli XCX]

That person.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you know. You know.

[Charli XCX]

Hate.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Like, say it with your eyes. I think it's. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. Okay. Now I think I have the same.

[Matt Rogers]

Feelings on this point.

[Charli XCX]

Explain that.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, yes, yes. Please, please, please.

[Charli XCX]

So the thing is, it's like, I think we live in this, like, world of pop music right now where, like, women are like, I support other women. I love women. I'm a feminist. And that's great. Like, love that.

[Bowen Yang]

But there's artifice to it. It's a lot.

[Charli XCX]

Absolutely, absolutely. And I don't think that you feminist. If you maybe don't see eye to eye with every single woman. That's just, like, not the nature of human beings. You know, there is a competitiveness between us. There is envy. There is camaraderie. There is, you know, all of these different, like, dynamics. And, I mean, I feel that working in entertainment, there is this kind of dance that we all do with each other. Whether you're in music, whether you're in your world, no matter how you identify, there is this dance that everybody's watching Each other. Everybody's posing in their picture, like, hey.

[Matt Rogers]

So nice to see you, my collaborator and good friends.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, but then you're also like, I want what they have. And then the next day you're like, they suck. I killed it today. And this happens, but no one really is willing to discuss it. But we all probably have our person or maybe a few different people, and I'm sure we are that person for other people. And I just find that there is this strange unspoken thing that often happens, particularly with women, because there is such a narrative of pitting women against each other within music. And sometimes that's not totally fabricated. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes there is like, what's the phrase? Smoke. Where the smoke is fire.

[Bowen Yang]

Where the smoke is fire.

[Charli XCX]

I do feel like that sometimes does happen. And sometimes it's like, I don't know, everybody's just doing this little square dance.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally. Well, this idea of, oh, women are pitted against each other, that shouldn't make you feel any worse or more complicated about the fact that it happens. Why is it this red line all of a sudden? You're not supposed to get into any other conflict with any of your peers.

[Charli XCX]

It's unrealistic. It's unrealistic.

[Matt Rogers]

And you're not saying, fuck her, you're saying, it's confusing. When I feel like we got a lot of people saying that, that we do great stuff together. It feels like the vibe is good. Then I'm confused. It's like, am I okay with who the audience might fill in this spot?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, well, that's the other thing about it. It's like, for me, this is like my favorite part of the high artness of music and the low artness of like, pop star discourse. Like, I like the marriage of the two and I like that maybe people were getting it wrong, but they're like having fun playing the game. Because I think that that brings like kind of this three dimensional world to songs, you know, outside of. Just like, the song's really good. It's like, it's nice to plant like, theories and ideas and let people live their kind of Paris Lindsay fantasy with it, engage in that. It's fun. But I also think it does this thing of like, with the whole record, I'm kind of doing that in ways it's like holding a mirror to this kind of culture that we're in right now where everybody is really. I feel like everybody is like their moral compass has to be so in.

[Matt Rogers]

Check all the time.

[Charli XCX]

But it's like sometimes it's just, like, fun. If it's not morally. And everybody, the listeners, your moral compass isn't always, like, bang on. Everybody's a little fun. Everybody's, like, little, like, shady. Everybody has, like, thoughts of all these different things. Like, everyone's kind of a bitch sometimes, and that's okay. Like, it doesn't make you a bad person. It makes you a flawed human being.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. A dynamic person. And we want artists to put that into work, too, because it, like. I mean, I can't stand the morality thing as it applies. Like.

[Bowen Yang]

But when did pop stars and. Let's just include and lump in, like, actors and shit? Like, when did they become, like, moral paragons? Because, like, like, at Chateau Marmont, like, in the 70s, there would be signs up that said no actors. It's like, we were like. We, like. They were like the rowdy, fucking, like, chaotic people. And that's what everyone understood them to be. And it's like, these are not good people. Keep them out. You know what I mean? And, like, maybe that's okay.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I wonder. Like, it's interesting, this celebrity culture, especially over the past, like, 10, maybe 15 years, has really, like, changed a lot in that I think niceness became a commodity. Whereas before, niceness wasn't cool.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

You know, it wasn't cool to be nice.

[Matt Rogers]

No. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And then, like, suddenly it really was. It was like, oh, well, if you're not nice, like, you're dead. You know? But it actually just used to be really cool to be, like, cunty and a bitch. And I feel like we're slowly edging back there. But I still think we're in our nice era. I still feel like we're in our, like, ending mode.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Everybody has to be so nice all the time. And that's, like, cool if you're, like, really. Actually just, like, chill and nice. But sometimes I'm like, I see you.

[Bowen Yang]

See through it, and we all do.

[Matt Rogers]

I think everything is too sensitive now to actually hide who you are. Like, you know what I mean? Like, the media. It's like, if people are watching, they're watching so closely so that you can't really get away with, like, putting on a Persona anymore that's, like, really different from who you are because we see so much of it and we're inundated in the discourse and et cetera, that, like, we're ahead of the game that you're playing.

[Charli XCX]

Right. Unless you play it really well.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Unless you have a really good team to cover shit up.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. But I feel like. And I Mean this on such a complimentary level. I feel like you've stuck to your cuntiness the whole way through.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you. Yeah, well, I appreciate that. It's funny. It's like, I think I can be bitchy. I don't know that I'm a bitch.

[Bowen Yang]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

That is a big distinction, you know.

[Charli XCX]

Like, I'm never gonna be horrible to someone for the sake of it, because it's actually. I personally find it a lot harder to be, like, deliberately, like, emotionally dismissive or mean or whatever. You know what I mean? And don't get me wrong, I'm sure I have my bad days. I'm not saying I'm a saint, but I'll also just tell it how it is. And I think that gets misconstrued as being mean, but it's actually just. I'm just being real because I don't think that it's that interesting to have this sort of facade of, like, it.

[Matt Rogers]

Takes a lot of energy. You could twist yourself into a fucking knot and what would really.

[Charli XCX]

We're all gonna die. And I'm just like, why don't we just have fun?

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I think this album is kind of like on this front line where a lot of artists are doing this now, where it is like. Like transparency. I'm bringing the fourth wall. Like, you're singing about Ag and Sophie and, like, Hud Mel for the first time probably, right? In a little way. And, like, you're being very real about shit. Like, you're singing. I don't want to spoil the rest of the album, but, like, you are singing about things that, like, are very surprising. And I'm like, oh, I didn't think she would be. She would have a song about, like. I think. Is that. I think about it all the time.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Yeah. The song about 14, is that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yes. Yeah, it is.

[Bowen Yang]

Track 14.

[Matt Rogers]

I just remember because.

[Bowen Yang]

Track 14, analog.

[Matt Rogers]

I just remember it goes into the last track, and I love the two together because it's such a psych out. Like, it's like you're talking about really weighing things in where you are in life. Now is the time when I should maybe really think about a family, if that's what I want. Is it okay with you that I think about this? This occupies a lot of space. And then the next song is Keys.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like, let's do A Light of Blood.

[Matt Rogers]

And I was like. And I was like, is this her answering it or is this her having fun? Or is it both?

[Charli XCX]

Like, it's not the Answer? Cause I definitely. I don't think I have an answer.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, if you have baby fever, do cocaine is what you're saying.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. All brand deals gone. So that's cool. But, no, I don't have an answer. But I think it's an interesting question to muse over, because, I mean, do you guys have many friends who have kids?

[Matt Rogers]

Our females. Our friends are really starting. I mean, even in the past six to eight months, like, four or five of my friends have had their. Yeah, like, one of my friends had her third kid.

[Charli XCX]

Wow. Yeah, wow.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like, wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Is this. Is this your friend group?

[Charli XCX]

I don't have loads of friends who have kids yet, but I had kind of one, like, major friend in my life who's a songwriter who had a baby, and she was kind of the inspiration for this song because I went to her house to visit her in Stockholm with her partner. They've been together for years, but they never really were like, we're having kids. It just kind of happened for them, you know? And then it was just so crazy. Going over to their apartment, writing songs with them. She's wearing the same clothes she always wore. The apartment's the same. They're exactly the same. We're writing songs, but it's just like, everything is different because she has the key to this door that, like, I'm not even in the same room as yet. Do you know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

You talk about this, it's almost like they now know something you don't know. And it's that wanting that is driving the question in you.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

Really interesting.

[Charli XCX]

Exactly. And it's like, you don't. Not to say that you can't, you know, get the same sort of level of intimacy, purpose and intimacy. I'm not saying that, but I just. I think, particularly, like, with her, for me, I was just like, wow, like, we used to be so similar. And now your worldview, even though you're saying all the same things and you're the same person, you're also just, like, completely different because you have this new perspective that I can't even really begin to understand yet, you know? And it's just strange.

[Bowen Yang]

But does it not give you some comfort that, like, she is wearing the same clothes? Nothing about her.

[Charli XCX]

Absolutely.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Charli XCX]

No. It's totally comforting. But then it's. At the same time, it's just like, am I missing out? Like, and I think for me, it drives me to this place of, like, do I want kids? Will I feel this new lease of life and this Whole new world open up. If I have kids, will I feel resentment towards the kid? Will I seamlessly be able to do both things in exactly the way that I want? No, probably not. Unless I, like, kind of disregard the kid.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's another thing too, is you want to do an amazing job at both.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And so I would also, if I were in that position, I'll never have children, but if I were really, if it was something that was on my mind, I would worry that it would like, like, harm my passion and like, what I know I'm supposed to do. You know what I mean? Like, is it going to change the way that I relate to myself as like this person who, like, in your case is out there creating and like, being this like, top idol? And then, I don't know, like, it would, it would change a lot. Like, you don't know that you're going to be exactly like your friend, wearing the same shit, talking about the same shit. For some people, it really changes.

[Bowen Yang]

But I feel like you have already been through a situation where everything was taken from you in some sense with lockdown. Like, your response to that was like, how I'm feeling now. So I feel like in a big life change situation like that you already kind of. I'm not saying it would happen exactly that way, but you already know that. Like, your response would be to like, keep making true.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, that's really interesting. I never thought of it like that.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Connecting dots.

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[Bowen Yang]

Last time I saw you was at SNL and at the Good Nights you were like what's going on after? And I was like there's a horse meat disco.

[Matt Rogers]

And then I almost did you go?

[Bowen Yang]

No, but I went after you didn't miss much. That was that. We love horse meat, you know.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, you know this because you do it, but it's, it's a lot.

[Bowen Yang]

Of it's a lot of energy.

[Charli XCX]

It's late.

[Matt Rogers]

It's late.

[Charli XCX]

It's late.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, the boiler room set looks fucking.

[Charli XCX]

I know that was late. But it. But it's. I mean, this is, like, late, because when do you end?

[Bowen Yang]

One, one, and then you go to.

[Charli XCX]

The funny Mexican restaurant.

[Matt Rogers]

What was it?

[Bowen Yang]

Rosa Mexican.

[Matt Rogers]

Rosa Mexicana.

[Charli XCX]

What is.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, we rotate. We rotate restaurants. Yeah. Go, go, go.

[Charli XCX]

Why is an okay the same place? No. Why isn't it just a better place?

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? You really roll the dice, and I roll the dice. I can say this and he can't. But, like, sometimes I'm like, where are we going? And it's either a fuck yes or a come on.

[Charli XCX]

But has it.

[Matt Rogers]

It has been a fuck yes.

[Charli XCX]

I went to two.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And they would. I went, Rosa Mexican.

[Bowen Yang]

Rosa Mexican was Oscar Isaac. Yeah, Oscar Isaac was nice.

[Charli XCX]

And I mean, I had fun. I had fun.

[Matt Rogers]

You had a margarita, but it was funny.

[Bowen Yang]

And you described it as a funny restaurant. And it is a very funny restaurant. It's hilarious. And we love Rosa Mexicana so much.

[Charli XCX]

We love them.

[Bowen Yang]

We love them.

[Matt Rogers]

But we want a table tonight.

[Bowen Yang]

Brandy is gone. My brand deal with was Mexicano, but I like. Okay, so Charlie famous, but surely it's.

[Charli XCX]

Not a budget thing.

[Bowen Yang]

It kind of is. Like, it's getting a little slash. I know. Charlie, you need to come back when the party is at LA venue at Saks. It's chic. There's room to walk around. But Charlie famously was the musical guest during the Omicron episode where it fucking.

[Charli XCX]

Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

Everyone was gone. Right.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, can I say. Can I reveal, like, on the monitors on Thursday, like, all the writers were fucking screaming. Cause it was like, oh, my God. It's like, Caroline polish X here. Christine's here. They're doing new shapes. And then the world missed out on the three of you being on the same stage on TV doing new shapes.

[Charli XCX]

That was crazy.

[Ana Hosnier]

Tragic.

[Charli XCX]

That was crazy also because. Yeah, I guess we never did that performance. We were on a. Did you see a sound check? We were on a spinning platform.

[Matt Rogers]

So cool.

[Charli XCX]

And, like, I love Caroline and Christine, but, my God, that it was crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, you guys go crazy on that.

[Charli XCX]

It was like Caroline wanted the platform to spin one way at one speed. Christine wanted to spin the other way. I was like, I don't care which way the fucking platform spins. I just get it going as long.

[Matt Rogers]

As we decided everyone has Covid.

[Charli XCX]

It was just, like, so stressful. It was just, like, a lot. And then we finally figured it out. We were so Feeling so good about. We're like dancing on the platform. We're not falling over. We like, we fucking killed it. And then we're literally. We were in, like. We were getting ready, like.

[Bowen Yang]

And then on Saturday.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I was in gum. And then Caroline was like, it's not happening. I was like, what do you mean you're not coming? And she was like, no, it's like, it's.

[Bowen Yang]

They pulled the plug on it. Yeah, yeah. Was that what happened?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but they pulled the plug on it entirely.

[Charli XCX]

Well, not my meatball sketch, thank God.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yes. Charlie played a meatball. No, but that was the Oscar Isaac show.

[Charli XCX]

Was it?

[Bowen Yang]

That was the second show. That was the time you came back.

[Charli XCX]

Oh, I got a chicken. Chicken, chicken. I was, I. I did some pre taped sketch.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, you were, you were. You were a chicken or a parrot.

[Matt Rogers]

You were a parrot. You were a parrot.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And I was kind of like, oh, well, at least I kept that a little bit.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

It was like me and. Me and Paul. It was Paul Rudd.

[Bowen Yang]

Paul Rudd, Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

That's a good one, though, to play chicken with Paul Rudd. That's so SNL coded.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it was.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like I went on there and I did sketch comedy.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I was a chicken.

[Bowen Yang]

I was a chicken and a meatball. But then you were. But then the second show you did, baby. And then what did you do?

[Charli XCX]

I did beg for you.

[Bowen Yang]

Beg for you?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God. Rena wasn't there for me.

[Charli XCX]

Rena was not there. No.

[Bowen Yang]

But speaking of Sunset Tower, Sunset Tower holds a very special place in my heart. Cause that was where I was when Crash came out, the whole album. And I, like, was just me in a room listening to that whole album. Went to the tour. You were fantastic. And I still say that that is the most well behaved audience because it's these lovely E boys and girls who just jump up and down vertical. No one's, like, throwing elbows in the pit. You know what I mean? Everyone, like, watch their space.

[Charli XCX]

And they're so well behaved. They're polite. The angels are polite.

[Bowen Yang]

But with this. Do you want them to get a little bit more chaotic?

[Charli XCX]

I always want them to get chaotic. Like whenever they. You know, I'm lucky because whenever I bump into, like a mass group of angels, they're very, like, sweet and, you know, they, like, wait in line and they, like, have the lids off their Sharpie. Like they're organized.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God, I love it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. It's never like a shit show. Like, I Saw that this TikTok of Paris Hilton had done like a signing and it had got a little hectic and someone had like drawn on her like Chanel bag with a Sharpie. And I was just like that. I mean, I'm sure there's like, not in your class. There's lots more where it came from, but that is really, like. That's such a bummer.

[Bowen Yang]

Beyond the pale.

[Charli XCX]

That would never happen with the angel.

[Bowen Yang]

Not on your blue Balenciaga slayer.

[Charli XCX]

No, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you still put a banana?

[Charli XCX]

It always. I always travel. I brought a banana here. Left it on the plane.

[Bowen Yang]

You did. You have my favorite. What's in my bag? Because you have the banana, you have the laneige.

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And you have the birado. Is it the. The. The true emotion? No, no, no, no. That's. That's. No. What is it? It's the. I just mixed emotions.

[Charli XCX]

Mixed.

[Bowen Yang]

You and I have the same fragrance.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I'm wearing La Tulipe today. It's a new. I haven't done it before.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a birado.

[Matt Rogers]

A new fragrance is a. Yeah, like I've. I've switched and it's just like.

[Charli XCX]

What are you on?

[Matt Rogers]

I am on De los Santos from Barredo.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

I have that and I will say Bowen Yang really tried to get me into Sunday cologne, and that was not for me.

[Bowen Yang]

It's called. No, no, it's by as well. It's called Sunday. Yes, Sunday. Something rainy.

[Charli XCX]

Sunday. No, that's Marcella. I think about Marcello.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's Sunday cologne.

[Charli XCX]

It's just called Sunday cologne, guys.

[Bowen Yang]

Sunday Sunday cologne. Yeah, guys.

[Charli XCX]

Just Sunday cologne.

[Matt Rogers]

But now I found De los Santos and I actually was wearing. It had its debut at Coachella on me and I felt very good.

[Charli XCX]

Coachella.

[Matt Rogers]

You didn't see me, but I saw you last year.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, you did?

[Matt Rogers]

That went off. People were getting. People were getting fun. Rowdy at that.

[Charli XCX]

It was fun. How was Coachella this year?

[Matt Rogers]

Coachella this year was fucking great. But Lana Del Rey makes an appearance in the Mean Girls song.

[Charli XCX]

Yes, she does.

[Bowen Yang]

She does.

[Matt Rogers]

She does.

[Charli XCX]

Because. Because hot girls listen to Lana Del Rey and they.

[Matt Rogers]

Hot mean girls listen to Lana Del Rey. It's true.

[Charli XCX]

It's true. I feel like any cool, like, genuinely cool girl.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Not only like, likes Lana Del Rey, but like, understands like the law of like. Lana.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

In a really deep way.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

She's.

[Charli XCX]

You know what I'm saying? She's an art figure.

[Matt Rogers]

She really is something symbolic.

[Bowen Yang]

She's symbolic for something.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, right.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. When I was hearing that song, I was like, I see this girl.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You see her?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. She, like, smokes, skinny cigarette and being.

[Matt Rogers]

Being.

[Charli XCX]

She's a little like.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, she's a little bit like.

[Charli XCX]

She's got a vocal fry.

[Matt Rogers]

Vocal fry. But it doesn't feel dated. It feels very good on her.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

And I will say, being at Coachella, around 75,000 of those girls was a good vibe.

[Charli XCX]

Cool.

[Matt Rogers]

And I. I wasn't sure about her doing the Friday night because I felt like that should be a party. Like, in my head, I was like, switch DOA And Lana. Put Lana on Sunday night. DOA Will get everything started. And then now, having seen it, I'm like, everything was exactly.

[Charli XCX]

Everything was perfect.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Did you go?

[Bowen Yang]

I didn't go.

[Charli XCX]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

He's never been. Oh, what people do with your music, though. I think, like, if we're gonna compare Lana heads to, like, angels and people who, like, really, like, love you, I feel like you get people to, like, do the digging of, like. Oh, my God. Like, it's this. There's this whole album that, you know, like, they. They really start to, like, dig through the crate. And I think people love to, like, take your stuff, all the stems, whatever, and then just like, rearrange it and like, they. They have fun with the building box that you're giving.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think my music is, like, intrinsically for the night.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

You know, you can listen to it in the day, you can listen to it in the car, like, whatever. But generally it's like the best at night time.

[Matt Rogers]

I remember, like, I saw you at the Wiltern a few years ago and just like, what was happening on stage was so great. One of my favorite songs of yours is I Don't Wanna Know. And, like, I just like. You had this, like, really cool purple light. Just like. I don't know, just like. You're not, like, synesthetic, are you?

[Charli XCX]

I. I can tell. Yeah, I can tell.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you mean? Like, someone, like, got into your face, was like, you're not actually there.

[Charli XCX]

No, no, I just. It's like one of those things where, you know, like, when you do your first interviews and it's like one of the first things you've ever said, and.

[Bowen Yang]

Then, like, it follows you.

[Matt Rogers]

It's because people are like, she's synesthetic.

[Charli XCX]

Test her.

[Matt Rogers]

But, like, you actually do experience that.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And for me, it's like, really helpful with writing. When I'm writing, I'm like, this song is purple. Like, and then I'll be like, ag, make the purple stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I wanted to ask you this question about, like, when you sit down to write a song, is it, like, because it feels like, equal parts important? And obviously it is. But I guess my question is, is it the sounds and, like, where you're going sonically that dictates what something is gonna be about, or do you come in with an emotion that you need to get out there?

[Charli XCX]

With this record, it's been very much that I came in with what I wanted to say. Whereas on previous records, it's not actually really been like this. With this record, it's been so lyrically led. Like, I've been like, I wanna write a song about my kind of sticky relationship with my mom and dad, which was apple. Or, like, I wanna write the song about not being sure if I wanna have kids or, you know, it's been very, like, it's in my head. Like, mean girls kind of, like, piecing that around, like, a few different girls I know and thinking about qualities that they have and putting that in a song. 360 love, so funny look.

[Matt Rogers]

And your bookends are. It's sick.

[Charli XCX]

Thanks. Yeah. And with that, it was very, like, okay, I wanna talk about me being a sonic reference for people, but through the lens of Julia kind of being the, like, New York it girl, street fashion girl that everybody's referencing.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, Julia Fox. Meaning. Yes.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So it was, like, very specific and then kind of fun to build out these, like, pop songs that hopefully, like, a lot of people can relate to, but they're coming from, like, quite a specific idea.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Charli XCX]

And place.

[Bowen Yang]

And why do you think it didn't happen with the other albums? It just, like, wasn't the way it was.

[Charli XCX]

I think I was writing very much, like, the way I would write on previous records. We would build a track and then I would get on the microphone and literally be like.

[Matt Rogers]

And then figure out the lyrics.

[Charli XCX]

Figure out the lyrics that fit the vowel sounds I was kind of making. So there was already this sort of, like, map of sound that, you know, I was trying to fit words to.

[Bowen Yang]

You're saying this is lyrically led?

[Charli XCX]

Lyrically led. And not really focusing too much on rhyme or worrying about, like, what fits within a stanza or anything like that, you know? So actually just. I was really able to kind of just write lyrics that I would actually say in a conversation rather than crafting them into this sort of, like, song version of what I would say.

[Matt Rogers]

And even, like, melodically in the way that, like, the song forms around it, like, even with girls. So confusing. It's girl. You know what I mean? Like, there's something there. That's the melody. Like, the way you really say it, like, I want to do this. You know what I mean? Like, you know, it's just like. It feels like it's born out of something you want to say.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

This time. And to hear that you say that is. It works.

[Bowen Yang]

But back on, this thing of, like. I think this is, like. Like, extremely transparent in the way. And it is like holding up this mirror because, like, the Rorschach test of this album is the COVID and everyone having all these opinions about, like, the COVID Right. And it's in your end, and I think you kind of threw it back at people in a nice way, where you're like, no, this is actually, like, this completely reveals what you think, like, a pop girly should appear and how they should put out their work and stuff like that, which I think is great. But I think with the content of the album, it's more about, like, guys, I think about crazy, dark shit about my career. I'm not putting words in your mouth, but it's like, I think it is your most vulnerable album because you are being very honest about how you regard yourself in a way that would have never occurred to me. You know what I mean?

[Charli XCX]

Right, right.

[Bowen Yang]

There are allusions to your career being in this in between, and I'm like, oh, six albums in. You feel that way?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, totally. Well, I think there aren't many people who have a path that I have. There are Robin being one. And I think that's why there's a lot of, like, synergy between the two of us. But, you know, somebody who had, Speaking about Robyn, now, huge commercial success right at the beginning of her career, and then kind of had to, like, rebrand and then became this kind of gay icon, kind of like Girl of the Night. No, that sounds wrong. Nighttime Music Club always, no matter what she does, is always going to be kind of looked upon as a really important artist who's kind of, like, treading new ground and, you know, kind of, like, timeless.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And I think, you know, we share similarities in that, you know, not my first music, but music for my second record was globally commercially successful. But at that point of time, for me, I didn't really have my artistry kind of totally figured out in the way that I feel that I do have now. I mean, there were definitely good through threads, but when I look at, for example, sour Olivia Rodrigo, I'M like, oh, I wish I'd done Sucker kind of like that, like. Because I think there are parallels within those universes, but I think she just did it better because I think she. I don't know. I don't think I knew myself that well at that point in time when I was doing that record, and I look at some of the decisions she made, and I'm like, oh, wow. It's, like, still very, like, pop and kind of, like, touching on this, like, live of, like, punkish stuff.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But it's done in a way that, to me, is still very cool. Whereas I feel like when I look back on Sucker, there are elements of it that I'm like, oh, that was just a bit annoying. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

I've told you, though, that, like, True Romance is still the perfect. I don't know how you feel about that album, but it's like, I feel like that is still. For Charlie. That is still, like, that's the through through. That's the through line.

[Charli XCX]

You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

Like, I still listen to so Far Away, and I'm like, this is fundamentally the same stuff she's putting it. She's put out through her whole career. And, like, that is like music of the night, where it's like. It's like the beginnings of, like, bedroom pop. This whole thing now that has this whole, you know, life and culture around it. Like, I think you really broke ground in that way with it. Like, yeah, Sucker is its own thing. And that must have been so strange and so complicated. But it's still a great record. The True Romance, I think, is still, like. You can always, always fall back on that first record as, like, yeah, I love that record.

[Charli XCX]

I love that record. But, yeah, anyways, I think it's, like. It's just interesting. My career hasn't been like, a to be. It's been like, kind of.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like a weird A, J, P, Q art.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, there's that E, N, A T in there. Yeah, totally. And it's like, straddling this, like, commercial thing. Also being a songwriter, also being linked to, so the underground. Disregarding that and coming back and. I don't know. It's a mess.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not a mess. I think. I'm sure you're.

[Charli XCX]

There's a mess in a nice way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

People don't have that trajectory anymore because people are so afraid to take the risk, whether from the label or from the artists themselves. Like, I think you have been so good about using whatever the apparatus is whatever you have within you to just like make it like that's like, that's how I'm feeling now is to me it's like, yeah, you just made it.

[Charli XCX]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

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[Matt Rogers]

Have had these, like, when you describe it as a mess, it is interesting because it's, it's like there's these spikes of like these mainstream moments, like going back to like, boom clap. Like that, being in like, love. Simon.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, that was like some fault in our stars.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, fault in our stars.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, it's the same.

[Matt Rogers]

But I guess that's what I mean is it's like that kind of was our fault in our stars. Although they, they both lived. I guess they were still gay though. But, but like that. And then I remember it was a few years ago now, but we were in the Fire island movie and when we found out that the boys remix was gonna be in our trailer.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

So cool.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, thank God because this is gonna get across like the fun of this. It's gonna make it seem even more fun than it is. Like, and also just like there was something about. Doesn't that song also start Promising Young woman?

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

So it's just like there are these moments in big mainstream culture that like, you're right there. And so I wonder, how do you feel when something is perceived on that level? Is that like an exciting thing or is a little bit like.

[Charli XCX]

No, no, I feel good about it. It's like, okay, I think because there are some things you mentioned that. So like Fire island, promising young woman. Those things feel really exciting to me and inspiring and happy to be involved in them. But I think it's like what I've learned, like, going back and forth between this kind of like more commercial version of myself to this kind of more. I'm really just leading with like, what's in my brain and my, you know, instinct. I've just learned now from doing it so long. I can't like fake. I just can't like fake pushing the commercial button.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, hi, I'm Top Girly, I'm smiling and we're here with Coca Cola.

[Charli XCX]

I can't do it. I can't like. And that's no disrespect to the people who do. Some people are just like made to like, live in that world and like, they want to make the music that is gonna like really succeed in that world. And it's really hard to succeed in that world. Like, I'm not taking that away from anyone, but like, I just can't do it. Because when I've written those songs and I put them out, it's like they only go so far because I think there's a block that the fans see as well. They're just like, she's not that girl. Like, that's not who she really is. She's not that girl. Like, some of them can like, maybe a less hardcore fan can get down with it, but it's like, you know, it's just like when you smell a rat or whatever, it's like, I have to just be yourself.

[Bowen Yang]

Myself.

[Matt Rogers]

Something in the milk ain't clean.

[Charli XCX]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

When you're not being yourself.

[Charli XCX]

And I can't. I can't fucking.

[Matt Rogers]

Nor should you have to.

[Charli XCX]

I can't do album six because it makes me miserable.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course you have to sing that music every night. I think it was Dua who said. We were just talking to her about her album and she. We were talking about this like theme that she has of like positivity. And the messages that she has are usually like, up and she's like, well, I have to sing it every fucking night. So if it's gonna be something that's in my mouth every single night, it better taste good. Like, you know what I mean?

[Charli XCX]

That's so funny because I'm the opposite of that. If I had to sing really overly positive, like Boom Clap is a good example. So different from radical optimism, like completely different sounding records, et cetera. But that's funny that she says that and that makes sense for her. Cause she is, I think she is always really kind of like seizing the positivity in life. I kind of like to dwell in the kind of sit in the shit.

[Matt Rogers]

A little bit and externalize that because that is also a valid emotion that people there are healing.

[Charli XCX]

I have to do it. Yeah, that's so. That's really Interesting.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, I feel that this is, like, definite, like, the pendulum stops.

[Charli XCX]

Like, a vision of, like, me performing radical optimism and Dua doing Brat being, like, three, six, five, putty girl. Bumping that and then me doing illusion and, like, both of us, like, being on our, like, the versions of what those tours are.

[Matt Rogers]

And I want to see that.

[Charli XCX]

How is that? How's it going down?

[Bowen Yang]

But this is how you know that, like, you're doing the right thing. Is that, like, you, like, we love Dua. It would be crazy if she did 360, and it would be kind of crazy if you did radical optimism. It's like you are doing the thing you were meant to do. It is purely externalized from whatever your inner life is. And I feel like you're. What you're saying is maybe the pendulum has stopped swinging. Like, you've landed in this nice space of, like, I'm in between, or I'm more of this one thing that I am this thing. And, like, I feel like reflective surfaces are a big part of this album. You look in the mirror, you see me, and you're holding up a mirror to society. Am I being stupid?

[Matt Rogers]

Is she boning? No, she saw you. Illuminate me. I went. The reflective surface motif.

[Bowen Yang]

But use it.

[Charli XCX]

Yes, I'm using it.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on, use it.

[Matt Rogers]

Like a mirror.

[Bowen Yang]

Like a mirror. We gotta ask Charlie the question.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, we do. So this is the central question of lost culture. It's. What was the culture that made you say culture is for you? You can look back and be like, I am largely me because of this thing I experienced.

[Charli XCX]

I think it was. And maybe this is not very surprising, but I think it was like, the London rave scene and that, like, culture of, like, London warehouse parties that I kind of came up through, because that sort of in turn put me. Me very onto kind of, like club kids stuff. When I was younger and when I was in art school, I was always kind of, like, in this sort of, like, Leigh Bowery, like, inspired, like, Michael Alec, kind of.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, but still. But, like, there's a cool scene, you.

[Charli XCX]

Know, like those parties, like that level of thing. Yes, totally. And that level of kind of like DIY aesthetic with clothes and music and. And, yeah, I think that really formed who I am.

[Bowen Yang]

So chic. How did you find it?

[Charli XCX]

I think it was from starting going to these parties, because when that must have been, like, 2007, 8. When I was going in London, I was young. I would go with my parents.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, wow.

[Charli XCX]

Which was not cool.

[Bowen Yang]

Were you guys, like, In Essex. Going to.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. They would drive me. I would get asked ahead of MySpace and I knew this promoter who was like, come and play. And we would drive into London and I would play at, like, 3:00am so.

[Bowen Yang]

You were being booked for these?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I was being booked. Wow. And that was kind of my first, like, look into kind of night life and, like, party culture. And at that point in time, I guess it was like our version of indie sleaze was going on. It was new rave, which was like, you know.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure, sure.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, yeah. And so that was sort of like a kind of regurgitation of, you know, all the prior first, second wave of club kids that were coming before. So I kind of just got sort of, like, sucked in through that way.

[Bowen Yang]

And then you learned about the prior wave and it felt like education. There was some, like, rooting for this. It wasn't like. It just kind of came up out of nowhere. Like, you had history to, like.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, I soak into. I had to soak in the history because I wanted to understand, like, what Michael Altlock was doing and what that original club scene, those club kids were doing back here in New York. And those levels of crazy parties they would throw. They threw one on a bridge where they shut both ends of the bridge. And just this law of partying and how that kind of spawned into music and then began to create new sounds of music. I think that.

[Bowen Yang]

Hmm.

[Charli XCX]

It's like, such a rich thing for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Like. Oh, like you, like, at the Limelight would have been so fucking imagine.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Wild.

[Charli XCX]

Imagine.

[Matt Rogers]

Where do you live now? Do you. Do you still, like.

[Charli XCX]

I'm half in LA and half in London.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Back and forth.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, LA. Out of necessity or do you like it?

[Charli XCX]

I am beginning to maybe be over it. I've been there for 10 years.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that feels like.

[Matt Rogers]

That feels like double.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

The amount of time it would take. Yeah. To be over it.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. I'm thinking about New York, actually.

[Matt Rogers]

I think New York.

[Charli XCX]

I lived here.

[Bowen Yang]

I think you should do.

[Matt Rogers]

I think New York is New York and London. Like, I guess, like, if you were someone who wanted two different experiences in the two places you live. Like, I'm here because I want to rest, meaning la. And I'm here because I want to be included in what's going on in, like, the culture that's London, but, like, New York is New York.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I do love London.

[Bowen Yang]

You can rest in New York. I do love London, too.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you love performing at Coachella?

[Charli XCX]

I was honestly so scared.

[Matt Rogers]

Was it Scary.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Because, you know, with Coachella, you were.

[Matt Rogers]

On the Coachella stage.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. And everyone was like, it's all about the live stream. Everyone's like, oh, singing about the live stream. So that made me kind of treat it more like tv.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, sure.

[Charli XCX]

You know, was that helpful or no? Well, I was happy with how it looked and how I sounded because I was thinking so much about the broadcast, but it definitely, like, was just stressful. That wasn't, like, freeing, you know, it.

[Matt Rogers]

Was a major change. So I remember we saw Chapel in the Gobi tent, and then right after that, we walked over to Sabrina Carpenter on the Coachella stage, and I remember it felt like the energy was lower, but then I was like, oh. But on this stage, they're thinking about the live stream, whereas in, like, the Gobi and Sahara tents, they're just giving a live show. And it feels like that, like, so the live experience does feel, I would imagine, like, more alive there, and maybe as the performer, it feels more connected. Whereas, like, on the Coachella stage, where you were, it is a lot about, like, they're watching at home.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it was scary.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. That's okay.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, whatever would Lee Barry crush?

[Matt Rogers]

I was having the best time.

[Charli XCX]

He wouldn't be there.

[Bowen Yang]

Lee Barry. We used to do these, like, videos, these little short films of him, like. Like, teaching you how to, like, have tea. Like, he was just so adorable. That's what people don't talk about with Lee Bowie is like. Yeah, it's like, the looks and all these things, but it's like, at his heart, he was just this, like, sensitive.

[Charli XCX]

He was Australian, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Australian, yeah. Australian. Maybe I got him confused as a Brit, but, you know, maybe. Maybe you're right.

[Charli XCX]

Maybe you're right.

[Bowen Yang]

No, we can't look it up.

[Matt Rogers]

I hope you're both wrong. I hope you're both wrong.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, did it take you? Like, was there a developmental thing for you to grow up in that and then be like, I'm gonna, like, do, like, I'm gonna make this, like, part of me?

[Charli XCX]

I don't think it was a choice. You know, I think it's like, it just. I gravitated so hard towards it. I think it was, like I saw elements of myself in what was being created in the worlds that I was looking into, that there was, like, a punkness and, like, a kind of freeness, and it felt that there was, like, a possibility to be a little messy and not perfect and not look a certain type of a way to still be able to express yourself and Feel really validated or something. And I think I was searching for that a lot when I was growing up.

[Matt Rogers]

And that that could be a version of success is just going there and participating and being in the culture and being around people that make you feel good. And this, like, more calculated metric of, like, well, did this happen? Did you look like this?

[Charli XCX]

Right? And being rewarded for being a freak. I think that was something that really, like, made me, like, gravitate towards that world because that was what was, like, celebrated totally. If you would like, really, like, wearing something, like, weird or, like. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

You got attention. You got, like, something.

[Charli XCX]

You got bread, right? I was like, oh, that's cool. Like, you don't have to be this kind of traditional version of beauty or talent or like, whatever it is. It's like you can kind of make a fantasy and it be valid, even if it's, like, a little fucked and ugly, you know, or whatever.

[Bowen Yang]

That's your root, though. Like, that's why it's like, you don't have to worry about being, like, the moral model for anything. It's like, just, like, let that shit go. Because you started out in this, like, environment where, like, it didn't really matter. Like, nightlife culture is about. About, like, unrepressed everything. It's just like, humanity revealing itself. I'm being so, like, no, I love it. You know what I mean?

[Charli XCX]

No, I love it. It's so interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you done Mighty Hoopla or been to Mighty Hoopla?

[Charli XCX]

I don't know what that is.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, no problem. It's like big queer.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like a queer festival.

[Charli XCX]

What is that?

[Matt Rogers]

I was like. I was like, headline four times.

[Bowen Yang]

What's that? There's that park.

[Charli XCX]

That's like Victoria Park.

[Bowen Yang]

No, not a toy.

[Charli XCX]

I haven't done it.

[Bowen Yang]

You haven't done it? No problem.

[Charli XCX]

Sorry.

[Bowen Yang]

No, but it's.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like. It's like a teeny, tiny Coachella, but in London with all queer, like, queer adjacent artists.

[Charli XCX]

It's like, that's so wild. Yeah, it's fucked.

[Bowen Yang]

It sucks.

[Matt Rogers]

It's so fucked in a crazy way.

[Bowen Yang]

Are you excited for tour?

[Charli XCX]

I am.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you guys been wanting to tour together? It feels like such a natural thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

You know, we have the same manager.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Our manager has been trying to get us to tour together for years.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And every time we're like, yeah, like, obviously we love each other, but I think the music has never quite lined up. And now it's, like, so lining up, you know? So this time when our Manager, like, for, like, literally the fifth time was like, do you guys want to talk together? We were like, yeah, we do.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Because it really made sense, and we could see how it would really, like, flow and work together.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Sung together.

[Charli XCX]

I think so. To be honest, we're still putting it together, but I think, yes, it's what people would want.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, I don't think it's gonna be like, a full medley situation, but there's definitely gonna be a few moments.

[Bowen Yang]

You guys should together. Beauty and the Beast. You guys should use Beauty.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

I did see you guys on the same beggar.

[Charli XCX]

Same thing.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it was also at the wheel turn, like, it was years ago. You guys were on the same show. It was like a bunch of artists.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. It was a festival that I think we both did together. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause I remember distinctly seeing you both.

[Charli XCX]

And I festival that maybe was Troy's invention, but maybe it was also mine, but I don't remember.

[Bowen Yang]

Troy invented pride.

[Charli XCX]

He totally did.

[Matt Rogers]

He pioneers it every year.

[Charli XCX]

He did, yeah. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it's gonna be so fun.

[Charli XCX]

It's gonna be fun.

[Matt Rogers]

I cannot wait. People were freaking out over the ticket situation, which is always a good feeling when it's like, didn't people get tickets?

[Charli XCX]

I know. So, yeah. We're so happy. We're really happy. It's gonna be fun. It's like, pretty quick, huh?

[Bowen Yang]

I know. It's like a couple months, right?

[Charli XCX]

It's, like, not even. Is it, like, five weeks?

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, where is it in New York? Is it msg?

[Charli XCX]

Yes, it's msg. Obviously would love for you guys to come. It's going to be really fun.

[Bowen Yang]

And, you know, I've paid top dollar for you. Like, I don't want to come to you three times.

[Charli XCX]

I can't do anymore. Oh, yeah. Oh, fine. I'll take it if I want to.

[Bowen Yang]

I'll take it if I untwist my own.

[Matt Rogers]

I did hear a story one time, time of. I won't say any details until after, but there was an artist who was in a big feud with this other famous person, and the famous person reached out, like, years after to, like, get tickets to a show, and the person just sent back a ticket link and said, buy one.

[Charli XCX]

Iconic.

[Bowen Yang]

Iconic love.

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

All.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, so it's time for. I don't think so.

[Charli XCX]

Okay, you're doing.

[Matt Rogers]

You're gonna pop the. So this is our 62nd segment where we drag name cultural item here. I walked into this myself today. It's my own fault, but I am gonna. Okay, here we go.

[Bowen Yang]

There's some self accountability. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think Sony's time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Wearing a graphic tee on the subway in New York. Because here's the thing, people are gonna read it and then they are gonna engage with it and then you're trapped with them for what could be as much as a half hour. So today I have a shirt on that says, is it gonna be a threesome? I'm challengers coded my whole life. Right. This is merch from Focus Features.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you again for drive away dolls.

[Matt Rogers]

And for driveway dolls. Haven't seen it yet, but can't wait, sister. I just know that I was on the subway today with a gentleman who could read the shirt and did out loud. And so then he was engaging with it. It caused everyone to turn and I said, you know what? Maybe if I hadn't worn a shirt with words on it that could be read, I wouldn't be having a conversation at all, least of all about threesomes. And this person was not necessarily someone I wanted to engage with about threesome. You know, if you see me wearing this and you think we would vibe, I don't know. Maybe I will be wearing it the whole rest of today. This episode comes out in like three weeks, but I'll wear it again.

[Bowen Yang]

Actually.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. The day this episode is released, I'm gonna be walking the streets of New York wearing it. Say hi. But not if you're like a crazy person on the subway.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's one minute.

[Matt Rogers]

So that's my adult. Thanks for being on today.

[Charli XCX]

That's so good.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you.

[Charli XCX]

I am gonna suck at this. No, I'm trying my best.

[Bowen Yang]

You're gonna be so good.

[Matt Rogers]

You're gonna be so good. We all. We all know you talk super fast.

[Charli XCX]

I do. I.

[Matt Rogers]

On recorded media.

[Bowen Yang]

You.

[Matt Rogers]

You go so f. Let me tell you something.

[Charli XCX]

Like, in a way, now I'm like, do I?

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Charli XCX]

In a way that it's like a. Oh, you mean in songs.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm just saying, we know you can get on the bike and rip. You can hit.

[Bowen Yang]

You can rip. You know what I mean?

[Charli XCX]

In a way. Is it, like, a problem?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Charli XCX]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

It means that you're, like, built for. I don't think so, honey.

[Charli XCX]

Okay. Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Everyone's thing about Charlie is they're like, yeah, she just talks too fast.

[Matt Rogers]

I just wish it wasn't so fast. I'm just kidding. No, I'm just saying, like, I've heard the album, and I know that. I know that you can keep up the temple.

[Charli XCX]

I understand.

[Matt Rogers]

And bow and Yang. Speaking of tempo, you ready to fucking do this?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. So this is Bowen. Yang's. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. Pubic hair. Why is it looking different down there than up here? I look like Ms. Frizzle got a dye job. I'm curly, curly, curly. And I wish I could get a perm up here and make my. Give myself a little swoop. My pubic hair is so tightly coiled down there. And when you see it on the bathroom floor, you go, oh, no.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm so shook.

[Bowen Yang]

That is not something I want to see. And it's. If you're living alone like me, it's just you. I don't like how. I don't like. I don't like what it says about me. I think pubic hair, like, either. When you have it, it's like, oh, let's shear it. And then when you don't have it, it's like, sheer. Well, now you look like a fucking mole rat.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, 100%.

[Bowen Yang]

There's no in between.

[Matt Rogers]

15 seconds.

[Bowen Yang]

Why can't we just stay there? And I sure as hell ain't Laser removing it. Because it's like. Because like I said, if it's gone, it. It looks even crazier than if it is a fire, if it is a jungle. And I have a really crazy situation. I don't know why it's different down there. It's in body hair. All supposed to be the same, and that's one minute.

[Matt Rogers]

You are the only person I believe in history to say, you wish what was down there. You wish your pubic hair was on your head.

[Bowen Yang]

I just want it to go both ways. If my hair on my head looked pubic, I'd be like, well, at least it's consistent, right?

[Matt Rogers]

This is so shocking. First, first of all, laser hair removal on your pubic area. Some people do it, asshole.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe some people do it.

[Matt Rogers]

The guys I've been hooking up with lately don't seem to care at all about maintaining it down there. Right? Or maybe they just think they don't care what I think.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I think it has been so.

[Matt Rogers]

Wild and free as of, I think.

[Bowen Yang]

No matter your gender, it's like there is not a great way to manage it, like, period.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, maybe it's also because I'm hooking up with like men that are my age, in their 30s, and not like.

[Bowen Yang]

They'Ve just given up.

[Matt Rogers]

This isn't like when you're in fresh in your 20s and everyone thinks, oh, I should manscape or whatever or really keep it clean down there. It's like, give it a rest, girl. We're all just trying to live life. No one cares that you're a hairy one.

[Bowen Yang]

No one cares.

[Matt Rogers]

But I bet your pubic hair's thrilling.

[Bowen Yang]

It's freshly shorn.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, why, you have plans later?

[Bowen Yang]

No, it was getting out of hand. And I am in that liminal space now where I'm like, this sucks.

[Matt Rogers]

I just wish you were going bitchy.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I'm actually okay. I'm more moisturizing. Cool.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Down there. Oh, yeah, I guess so. I should use. I should try my purple shampoo for my blonde. Yeah, get blonde pubes.

[Bowen Yang]

Get blonde pubes.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't want to know.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Anyway, don't be.

[Charli XCX]

I'm nervous. I'm nervous.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, don't be nervous.

[Charli XCX]

My heart just skipped beat.

[Matt Rogers]

No, think of something.

[Bowen Yang]

You're like, I got it. You got it.

[Matt Rogers]

Just speak the truth.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Charlie XDx. Because I don't think so. Any are starts now.

[Charli XCX]

Okay? I don't think so, honey. I'm actually coming for a group of people. These people who have this stuck up, eye rolly attitude towards reality tv, you know what I mean? Taking it back to the beginning of our conversation. What is not to love? I feel like there is such a high, low conundrum to reality TV that just makes me want to sink my teeth in. Whether it be our fate. Housewives of Salt Lake City, Potomac. Also heard it's pretty good. Miami. Also heard it's pretty good.

[Matt Rogers]

Excellent.

[Charli XCX]

But also, what about some other amazing shows? Below Deck, Below Deck, Down Under, Below Deck, Sailing Yacht Below Deck, Mediterranean. Love Island, Australia, British. Heard the US wasn't that good. But anyway, I just think that there is such a psychology, such a wonderful, amazing world to delve into on reality tv. It's like the Factory. It's absolutely fantastic. Fabulous. Just keep it coming and don't judge it.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's worried for no reason. You. I don't think so, honey. The world there. Reality TV is not trash.

[Charli XCX]

It's not trash. It's art.

[Bowen Yang]

It's art.

[Charli XCX]

You should watch Sweat during that.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Charli XCX]

I was, like, sweating and look.

[Bowen Yang]

But that's, like, a good sign. Like, we had to promo for the tour.

[Charli XCX]

Promo for the tour. I was just like, oh, my God. Oh.

[Bowen Yang]

We had a clairvoyant come in recently, and he. When he sweats teami. It's the spirit movie. It's like energy is moving through him.

[Matt Rogers]

That's what's happened.

[Charli XCX]

Amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. You should watch couples therapy.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, so good with that Ornic or on. You have her on.

[Charli XCX]

She is the sexiest.

[Bowen Yang]

She's so sexy, isn't she?

[Charli XCX]

What's happening here? I love her.

[Matt Rogers]

And what just happened here?

[Charli XCX]

I love her.

[Matt Rogers]

Just a tiny little.

[Bowen Yang]

What and what's. And what? What was that?

[Charli XCX]

I love her.

[Bowen Yang]

She's like, Taco. She's amazing. I'm so glad you watch her.

[Charli XCX]

I love her. I think her fashion is incredible. It just seems so chic.

[Matt Rogers]

She is. Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

I bet her apartment's really cool.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, well, have you gotten to the lockdown stuff yet where they bring the cameras into her apartment? Cause she's doing all of it through, like, telehealth. And so, like, you see her apartment, and it's, like, kind of messy in a very charming way.

[Charli XCX]

Cool.

[Bowen Yang]

She's got all her kids running around.

[Charli XCX]

How many kids does she have?

[Bowen Yang]

Like, two, I think.

[Charli XCX]

She's so fat.

[Bowen Yang]

She's so fast.

[Matt Rogers]

What I love is when she speaks to her therapist, who's a real icon.

[Bowen Yang]

That woman is Virginia. Virginia. Virginia.

[Charli XCX]

She's my friend Cody.

[Matt Rogers]

She's. She's a real superstar.

[Bowen Yang]

But you finished it all the way through. There's like. I mean, whatever we want to talk about. There's an Israeli Palestinian queer couple. That's amazing. And then, like. And then Orna's like, When she finds out that one of them is Palestinian, she goes, you know, I'm from Israel, right? And then, like, Orna, like, blessed, like, is, like, on socials being like, this is crazy anyway. But you should watch it all the way through. You watch. Would fucking love it.

[Charli XCX]

I can't wait. Yeah, I can't wait. She's a star.

[Bowen Yang]

She's a star. But that's between. That's not quite reality. It's not quite documentary. Right. It's like they know they're being filmed, but they can't see the cameras.

[Charli XCX]

I think they've done that show, by the way. I have no idea how long we have left, but I'm like, we could do a whole episode on this. I feel like they've shot that show in a really tasteful way.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Charli XCX]

And I hope it never changes.

[Matt Rogers]

No, you know what? You want to know what it is? It's like, you can tell that. Well, obviously, it's all hidden. That's part of it. But it's still really elevated the way they shoot it. And I just. What I. Is that they seem to catch micro emotions. Like, it's really, like, intentionally edited. And I believe it's like, really smartly done through her lens. Because we're making a joke about, like, what was that? But we saw it, too. You know what I mean? And also, it has to be so crazy to be in those sessions and then watch it after, because it's also an edited version of that session.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally. It goes on for hours.

[Matt Rogers]

That would also maybe give you a little bit of a complex, like, why am I being edited this way and not that way? Like, I can't understand saying yes to that, but I'm so thrilled that people do.

[Charli XCX]

Me too. Do you have a favorite couple or a most fascinating couple?

[Matt Rogers]

I really liked the young queer couple. Like, they were really young, and they had been in a relationship for, like, three years, sort of formatively. And one of them wanted to be in an open relationship and the other did not, or was adjusting to that. And I think ultimately what they had to really figure out and admit to each other was that they were not right for each other. And watching that play out was heartbreaking. And I just hope that they could still figure it out to be in each other's lives, because that's. I think the hardest thing about when a relationship ends is it's like, I don't want to lose you as the person, you know, like that. And I thought that was just like, a beautiful illustration and, like, you know, examination of that kind of thing. Like, I love you more than anything. This is not right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Do you have a favorite?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Mine is also season one. It was the kind of, like, very sort of set in his ways. Quite sexy.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I know who you're talking about, man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

And the woman who was sort of willing to try anything for him, and he was just. He would, like, get up during the.

[Matt Rogers]

Session and walk around, can't stand it.

[Charli XCX]

And he was just, like, being, like, very controlling.

[Bowen Yang]

But his story is interesting.

[Charli XCX]

His story was wild.

[Bowen Yang]

So wild. Like, that woman, like, fucked him when he was, like, 14, tied him to a bed.

[Charli XCX]

And also, the way it came out again, could be the edit, we don't know. It was just sort of like they'd done, like, four or five sessions. Nothing was really, like, going anywhere. And then one day he's just like, well, you know, there was that time where I got tied to a bed.

[Bowen Yang]

When I was 14.

[Charli XCX]

And like, Orna's like, what? What?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, let's, like, really examine this process.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah, it's just like he just, like, throws it in out of nowhere.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but that's real, though. That's real therapy shit. Like, there's no, like, easing into it. Sometimes it just kind of. You drop a box.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you get the sense that he either was just as stubborn, controlling with, like, releasing that information as he is in the immediate thing, or I think some guys that are like that just don't understand. They don't get it that it has affected them in that way.

[Charli XCX]

I mean, who knows? But I was under the impression that maybe he just, like, wasn't there yet.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Charli XCX]

But then the thing that was really interesting about them was then Orna would go and speak to her therapist about how she was getting very triggered specifically by him. And that was, like, this extra dynamic that was really interesting. And she was kind of talking about how she needed to make sure she was providing, like, fair and equal counsel, but she was, like, so annoyed by him.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, that is interesting.

[Bowen Yang]

I think there's multiple people like this. Like, he's one of the people who says to her, I could do your job.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I couldn't believe that. That was crazy. Can you imagine the Gaul? Do you have a favorite couple?

[Bowen Yang]

I like, there's a couple in season two that's really great. It's two men. One of them is a ballet dancer. One of them.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, they were great.

[Bowen Yang]

They were great. And then one of them had a really harrowing journey with sobriety.

[Matt Rogers]

And then the pandemic happened.

[Bowen Yang]

Then the pandemic happened. And then there's this one couple, there's a problem couple in season three, and she. Ora. Talks to Virginia, and she talks to a peer group of other therapists. And all of them help her. Her crack. This one couple, because it's. She hits a while. She's like, I don't know what to.

[Matt Rogers]

Because the guy was stonewalling everything.

[Bowen Yang]

And, like, there's. There's such a sensational clip of her. Like, they play at the beginning of the season where she just like, yep. They're screaming and she goes, stop, you guys. Right now. I'm not the right therapist for you.

[Matt Rogers]

And then you're like, oh. You're like, how does it get there?

[Bowen Yang]

How does it get there?

[Matt Rogers]

You watch it.

[Bowen Yang]

You watch it. And this is the whole thing.

[Matt Rogers]

There's also that great. There was a great couple that was. She was a dancer in the Lion King.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And. And, like, she was, like. She was always busy at night, and so she could never have dinner with the family and her kids. And, like, it was like a thing. He's like, well, you're never home for dinner. It's like, I'm in the Lion King. And you knew this when you married me because she had been in the lion king for, like, 40 years. She had been the Lion King for as long as the earth has been spinning. That's the best part.

[Bowen Yang]

Hey, I know. Security.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you a therapy icon?

[Charli XCX]

Am I who?

[Matt Rogers]

Are you a therapy icon?

[Charli XCX]

Yeah. Yeah, I am. I meant the Lion King being what a job.

[Bowen Yang]

Therapy.

[Charli XCX]

Both. Both.

[Matt Rogers]

Honestly, I can't believe I was never not in it. I can't believe I was this.

[Charli XCX]

Ever since.

[Matt Rogers]

Babe. No, I can't believe I was ever not in it. Because I love in therapy.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Charli XCX]

Again, the Lion King. I was like, I don't think there's.

[Matt Rogers]

Many roles for me in the Lion King on Broadway, but I would love to help out. I'll do ushering, but not there. Therapy's great.

[Bowen Yang]

Therapy's great.

[Matt Rogers]

Speaking of great.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of great, the album is sublime.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Good for you.

[Bowen Yang]

And I'm glad you responded. It seemed like you responded positively when I. When I made a comparison to XCX world.

[Charli XCX]

Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I totally. I'm like, yes, yes, yes, of course. No, you're right. And I'm. I think. Yeah, you nailed it.

[Bowen Yang]

You nailed it. It's so fucking good. We love you, Charlie. I love you.

[Matt Rogers]

Bye. Thank you for everything you've done.

[Charli XCX]

Thanks for loving me.

[Matt Rogers]

Course.

[Charli XCX]

This was pretty fun.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's we end every episode with the song.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm breaking every rule for you. Wait, why do I love all your belts? You know what I love? Official.

[Bowen Yang]

Official.

[Charli XCX]

It's a fan favor.

[Matt Rogers]

Reminds me of Jared. It's only your first.

[Charli XCX]

Is that a boy?

[Matt Rogers]

So he was my boyfriend. Now he's my best friend. We figured it out in a way that I hope that couple's therapy couple did.

[Charli XCX]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But official was like.

[Bowen Yang]

I was like, whoa.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, the little things are happening that make me feel like it could go the distance.

[Charli XCX]

So nice.

[Matt Rogers]

Great writing. These are the things that can make us official.

[Bowen Yang]

Bye Bye. Las Cultaristas is the Production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier.

[Bowen Yang]

And Hansani, produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Beam and Monique.

[Matt Rogers]

Laborde and our music is by Henry Kabirsky. Hey everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour, the Prince of Christmas tour, that is. I'm doing my whole album. Have you heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com See me in a city near you the dating app fatigue is real. Mindless swiping, meaningless dms and an overwhelming amount of likes have made us feel more disconnected than ever. While most dating apps are all about pursuing someone else, there's one that's carved out of space for you to find yourself. Download F eeld F E e L.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Charli XCX]

The funniest comedians in the world are on tour and you can get tickets to see them live near you. Laugh at the biggest names in comedy like Otsuko Okotzka, Chelsea Handler, Jimmy Carr, Kathy Griffin, Matt Matthews, Matt Rife, Sarah Silverman, Sebastian Maniscalco, Stavros Helkias, Wanda Sykes, and so many more. All kinds of shows, all kinds of venues, all kinds of funny. Head to livenation.comcomedy to get your tickets today. That's livenation.comcomedy.

[Matt Rogers]

You wake up, put on your Ray Ban meta glasses.

[Bowen Yang]

You're living all in. You realize you need coffee, so you.

[Charli XCX]

Say, hey Meta, how do I make.

[Bowen Yang]

A latte Brew two shots of espresso.

[Matt Rogers]

After meta AI gets you caffeinated, you're.

[Bowen Yang]

Ready for some beats.

[Charli XCX]

Hey meta, play hip hop music.

[Bowen Yang]

You head to meet some friends but.

[Charli XCX]

Can'T remember the place. Hey Meta.

[Matt Rogers]

Call Eva Ray Ban Meta Glasses the.

[Charli XCX]

Next generation of AI Glasses. Just say hey Meta. To harness the power of Meta AI shop now at meta.com smart glasses how.

[Ana Hosnier]

Crispy are the new Deli Mix? Crispy Quesadillas.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's see.

[Ana Hosnier]

I'm gonna pop one in the microwave. Yeah, Deli Mex Crispy Quesadillas are crispy. Even from a microwave. I can already smell it. Heads up. If you hate loud crunching, you might want to mute.

[Bowen Yang]

So crispy.

[Ana Hosnier]

Like barely hear myself think crispy. These should come with a warning. If this crispiness is making you hungry, get to your closest grocery store for Deli Max Crispy Quesadillas in the Frozen Isle.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

We all know that old saying about.

[Charli XCX]

Teaching a man to fish.

[Matt Rogers]

And as parents, we want our kids to learn the things that will set.

[Bowen Yang]

Them up for success.

[Charli XCX]

So this holiday season, give kids money skills that will last well beyond 2024 with Greenlight.

[Bowen Yang]

Greenlight is a debit card and money.

[Matt Rogers]

App made for families where kids learn.

[Charli XCX]

How to save, invest, and spend wisely.

[Matt Rogers]

With parental controls built in.

[Bowen Yang]

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