"Gagged Up" (w/ Hilary Duff)

Summary

Podcast Summary: Las Culturistas "Gagged Up" (w/ Hilary Duff)

Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Network: Big Money Players Network & iHeartPodcasts
Episode Title: Gagged Up (w/ Hilary Duff)
Date: April 1, 2026

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Overview

In this lively episode, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang welcome cultural icon Hilary Duff for an in-depth conversation filled with nostalgia, humor, and candid reflections. The trio delves into Duff’s first concert tour in over a decade, her family life on the road, navigating parenthood in the public eye, the evolving nature of pop culture fame, and the creative process behind her new album. The episode sparkles with memorable anecdotes, heartfelt moments, and the signature playful banter of Las Culturistas.

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Key Discussion Points & Segments

1. Hilary’s Return to Touring and Family Logistics

• Hilary shares anxieties over taking her kids on the "Lucky Me" tour (04:36)
  • Describes being “terrified” of living in a tour bus with all four kids and adults for weeks.
  • Quote:
    “I walked inside, I was like, there's no kitchen. There's just like, slots for beds... Four kids, lots of adults... panic set in.” —Hilary Duff [05:11]
• Discusses kids' ages & family dynamics on the road (06:26–06:44)
• Compares messy reality of parenting on a tour bus to "Guns N' Roses have nothing on us" (06:42).

2. Parenting, Pop Music, and Censoring Lyrics

• Hilary talks about her kids’ reactions to her music and explicit lyrics.
• Quote:
  “Mei Mei's favorite song on my record, the one that she always requests is Holiday Party, which starts out with, like, in my head, you live another life where you fuck all my friends.” —Hilary Duff [12:36]
• Navigating mature content as a parent and artist; conversations vs. censorship (13:10–14:22).
  • Discussion on parenting approaches to art and exposure: “Art is art, and… they've gotta be exposed to it.” —Hilary Duff [13:49]

3. Being a Culture Icon and Navigating Fame

• On parasocial relationships: how people conflate her with her childhood roles (Lizzie McGuire), even as she matures (15:04–15:32).
  • Emphasizes the struggle of outgrowing a public persona that fans are attached to.
  • “There's parts of my identity… that haven't grown because the character hasn't grown.” —Hilary Duff [15:04]

The "Younger" Era and Friendship with Molly Bernard

• Sweet story about her bond with Molly Bernard from “Younger” (15:59).

4. Press, Nostalgia, and Pop Culture Memories

• Throwback to chart battles with Mary J. Blige and Ja Rule (08:09–08:36).
• Conversation about her impact—PSA against "Don’t say Gay" (36:44–39:48).
  • Matt shares how Hilary’s advocacy shifted attitudes among peers:
    “There was a moment...where… there was, like, a shift in the conversation… because we all respected you.” —Matt Rogers [39:27]

5. Creativity, Making the New Album, and the Creative Process

• Behind the scenes: creative choices on music samples, the songwriting process, and Matt’s contributions (58:01–58:49).
  • Inspiration from Japanese House, The 1975, and Harry Styles’ “Harry’s House.”
  • Quote:
    "We really tried to stay in like a Hilary Duff lane that's almost 40." —Hilary Duff [59:56]
  • Writing about adult experiences: “A lot of serious themes… disguised as a going out night.” —Hilary Duff [60:52]

Performance Anecdotes

• Hair, glam, and the “sock mark” on The Tonight Show (21:01).
• Sampling Blink-182’s “Feeling This” and interactions with Mark Hoppus (22:33–23:29).

6. The Infamous "Las Culturistas" Question

• What was the culture that made you say 'culture was for you'?

  • Hilary: “The Spice Girls...first concert...first time I saw women and all their different vibes… celebrating each other.” [29:34–30:13]
  • Dress-up memories, platform shoes, identifying with Baby, then Posh and Sporty.

• Tangents on Olsen Twins, "Grease", "Pretty Woman," and TGIF:

  • “Pretty Woman was on tv… I was like, I'm obsessed. Like, it was everything to me.” [45:44]
  • A theme: women coming into their own and larger-than-life femininity.

7. Parenting in the Digital Age and Family Values

• Modern Halloween/trick-or-treating challenges (26:48–28:58)
• “Switch witch” candy exchange tradition (28:05).
• Open family conversations about mature topics.
• Family walks as a bonding tradition (54:39):
  • “We do this thing in our house and… the conversations that happen are so nice…” —Hilary Duff [54:39]

8. Navigating Public & Private Selves, Generational Change

• Discussing social media’s effect on kids and the uniqueness of growing up pre-smartphone (53:17–54:05).
• On boundaries and individualized parenting (49:00–50:11).

9. Iconic Anthems and Culture Impact

• Recognizing “So Yesterday” as “the original Unbothered Anthem” (33:24).
  • “You also taught people to be unbothered with so yesterday.” —Bowen Yang [33:16]
  • Hilary’s psychic story with a fan and Aaron Carter (34:18–36:36).

10. I Don't Think So, Honey Segment (65:13–75:21)

• Matt: Crossword culture (66:00–67:07)
• Bowen: “Dying on that hill” as an idiom (70:01–71:05)
• Hilary: The rise of robots in daily life, longing for “guaranteed human” interaction, and robot food delivery anxiety (72:25–73:34)
  • “I am not interested. I would like to talk to a real person on the phone.” —Hilary Duff [72:25]
  • Empathy for robot delivery units: “They had to put eyes on it and give it a name.” [73:13]
  • Bonus mini-rant: streaming service log-ins and two-step verification frustrations (73:40–74:05)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I think a lot of projection happens when you’ve grown up with the person.” —Matt Rogers [14:48]
• “There’s parts of my identity to people that haven’t grown because the character hasn’t grown.” —Hilary Duff [15:04]
• “Art is art... they've gotta be exposed to it.” —Hilary Duff [13:49]
• “You taught people to be unbothered with so yesterday. That is the original unbothered anthem.” —Bowen Yang [33:16]
• “We really tried to stay in like a Hillary Duff lane that’s almost 40.” —Hilary Duff [59:56]
• “I’m just me. I’m making this record because it feels good...it’s an absolute cherry on top that people are connecting to it.” —Hilary Duff [62:01–62:53]
• “I don't think so, honey, the boom of the robots, please. I am not interested. I would like to talk to a real person on the phone.” —Hilary Duff [72:25]

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Fun Anecdotes

• Running into Mark Hoppus at Sushi of the Valley and Hilary fantasy-designing Ventura Blvd businesses (23:23).
• Dancing at Oil Can Harry's, a beloved LA gay bar (24:01–24:49).
• Parenting and family “Easter eggs” about Disneyland, Slinky Dog ride, and holiday movie traditions (77:13–78:24).
• Hilary putting a scorpion down her pants for a John Cusack film (80:56).
• The origin of her “sock mark” at The Tonight Show, symbolizing pop stardom’s humility (21:01).

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Timestamps for Major Segments

• [01:54] Nostalgia: “Back to the beginning” lyrics, pop music then vs. now
• [04:36] Getting kids & family organized for tour
• [12:36] Kids & explicit lyrics: “Holiday Party” and parenting honesty
• [15:04] Outgrowing public perception; Lizzie McGuire reboot
• [22:33] Blink-182 sample, creative process
• [29:34] The "Culture" question — Spice Girls, pop girl formative years
• [36:44] "Don’t Say Gay" PSA, culture-changing impact
• [49:00] Parenting styles, cursing kids & sugar
• [54:39] Family walks & making memories
• [65:13] Iconic “I Don’t Think So, Honey” rants
• [72:25] Hilary’s frustration with robots/technology
• [77:13] Disneyland stories and kids’ personalities with rides

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Conclusion

Hilary Duff’s appearance on Las Culturistas is a celebration of pop nostalgia, generational legacy, and the fun and chaos of modern family life. Listeners get both a peek behind the curtain at Duff’s creative journey and an extended meditation on growing up—in the spotlight, as a parent, and as a self-actualized woman. The episode is hilarious, heartfelt, and filled with first-person stories sure to delight both die-hard fans and new listeners alike.

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See also:

• Tour Dates: Madison Square Garden—August (exact date unspecified).
• New Album: Co-written with Matt; blends nostalgic and contemporary influences.
• Key tracks discussed: "Holiday Party," "Adult Size Medium," "Weather for Tennis," and "So Yesterday."

Final Note:
The episode closes as always with song—Hilary (joined by the hosts) sings a snippet of “Come Clean”—reminding everyone that whether it’s pop stardom or real life, sometimes you just have to “go back to the beginning.”

Transcript

[Hilary Duff]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Hilary Duff]

Mmm.

[Bowen Yang]

Look, man, there. Oh, I see. My, oh, my. Oh, and look over there.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las culturistas.

[Matt Rogers]

Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. We're here.

[Bowen Yang]

Lucky us or something. Or something. Well, the tour is called Lucky Me, Lucky Everybody.

[Matt Rogers]

If you got tickets. They went like that. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Sorry. I was very slow to the draw and I kind of. I'm sorry to myself.

[Matt Rogers]

You've already upset.

[Bowen Yang]

I've already upset. Fuck.

[Matt Rogers]

We have to earn back the trust.

[Bowen Yang]

We've got to earn back the trust.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, how about this? I've been streaming the album nonstop. I love it. It's like you didn't know how much you missed. And then, of course, Spotify does the thing where it's like, if you go on the top 10 streams, it's like, we're getting these new bops. And then suddenly you'll just hear, well, there's a suggestion, a lyrical suggestion. Let's go back back to the beginning. At which point you have no choice but to do that.

[Bowen Yang]

We have. It's been documented on this program. It has that the lyric of back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all aligned.

[Matt Rogers]

Kind of like today.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's poetry.

[Bowen Yang]

That's. The subways did not align for me. Yeah. Anybody know what I'm talking about? Can I get an amen?

[Matt Rogers]

Did you have a subway problem today?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Oh, you're asking. I thought you were asking. Putting it to the room.

[Matt Rogers]

No, you.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, of course, but it's fine.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it's New York.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't really want our guests to have to, like, really weigh in on this. Cause it's like, I think it's a space that is beneath her. But to have the remix of Come Clean on at the club at, like, 4am Like, I've never known more joy and you've never seen no, I'm dead ass. Never been happier in my life. Stone cold sober. It's 4am I'm sober, trust me. And I've never felt more joy.

[Matt Rogers]

I never felt more joy. Just connecting about famed Los Angeles eatery Casa Vega with our guest just now. And she might get me to do something called Booda boonda, which I'm gonna guess is spelled B O O N

[Bowen Yang]

D A. Nope, she's shaking her head.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, well, let's get started. Well, all that and more is gonna be revealed on this episode. This is truly. I mean, every. I know everyone that listens to this podcast has waited for this day. We certainly. You've seen her everywhere lately. Because who wouldn't want to celebrate this moment? Like back in hd. She did a concert last night. And her initials, I'm like, great initials.

[Bowen Yang]

No, better two letters together. You're happy to see HD?

[Matt Rogers]

Actually, Mr. Is on my socks.

[Bowen Yang]

Mr. Maggie Rogers sent me these socks. Oh, that's cute.

[Matt Rogers]

And because we're the only people with Mr. But we're not talking about Mr. Today. We're talking about HD.

[Bowen Yang]

We're talking about a legend in the culture, a paragon. We're so happy she's here. Everyone, welcome Ms. Clary Dove.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm feeling great about myself. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Prepare. Lock in.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank you guys for that. I'm so excited to be here.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you. Spell check on Bunda.

[Matt Rogers]

Bunda.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, okay. It's a German word, I believe. Or it's like a German, maybe was born in Germany. The concept of the workout, Bunda, B U, n D A with the two little dots on top of the W.

[Matt Rogers]

Those two little dots are so important always.

[Hilary Duff]

And I think you need to say it like Bunda. There you go.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. Well, it live inside me. I think maybe I put too much sauce on Bunda. Bunda.

[Hilary Duff]

I liked it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. How?

[Hilary Duff]

The show was awesome. It was a, you know, it was a cute, like, radio scaled down, kind of little fan experience, and it was great.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm going to come in hot with this question.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. So, lucky me. First tour since Dignity.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all, as a parent.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

What are you preemptively annoyed about logistically traveling with the family?

[Hilary Duff]

I'm absolutely terrified, too. I'm gonna tell you a quick story. I'm gonna try not to, like, make it too long. I was in rehearsals and surprises are tough for me. Like, of course. I love a surprise. Are we talking, like, a present? So excited for this.

[Matt Rogers]

Astrologically, where do we live?

[Hilary Duff]

I'm a Libra.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. I need to have understanding. Understood of everything.

[Matt Rogers]

And we understand that.

[Hilary Duff]

And then I can be really excited for the surprise. I've gotta process it first. And so my husband and my tour manager stopped rehearsals, and they were like, we have a surprise. You gotta come outside. I come outside, we're walking down the street, I see a giant tour bus. And I was like, is this a surprise? And they're like, yes. Like, let's go check it out. Cause this is gonna be where we're living for eight weeks in the summer. And I was like. I walked inside, I was like, there's no kitchen. There's just like, slots for beds. Four of us are gonna be four kids. Sorry. Lots of other adults.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, what?

[Hilary Duff]

It was panic. All panic set in.

[Bowen Yang]

So then I relate to this completely as a Libra rising.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

How do you express that without being like, thank you so much. This is so exciting. But also, where the hell is the kitchen?

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. I had, like a huge pla. Like, fake smile plastered on my face. And I was just like, I love the slots. I'm looking for the storage. Like, kids come with so much shit.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And. And also there's like, no pooping on the bus. I'm like, little kids just whenever they have to. I know.

[Bowen Yang]

You gotta poop on the bus.

[Hilary Duff]

Well, you can't. It's a rule.

[Bowen Yang]

It's actually a rule.

[Hilary Duff]

It's a written rule. So I'm like, how many times are we gonna be stopping throughout the night? It's all terrifying.

[Matt Rogers]

What are the age ranges?

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Two to 13.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on.

[Matt Rogers]

Wikipedia.

[Hilary Duff]

Almost 14. Yeah. I have a 14 year old son this month and a five year old this month and then a seven and a two. It's gonna be fun. We're gonna figure it out. That thing's gonna be trashed. Crumbs everywhere. Literally. Crumbs everywhere.

[Matt Rogers]

Guns N Roses have nothing.

[Hilary Duff]

Crumbs everywhere.

[Bowen Yang]

Your family.

[Hilary Duff]

Exactly. That's right.

[Matt Rogers]

Trashing tour bus.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I loved the video that you did with your son. Oh, my gosh, that was so good.

[Hilary Duff]

He's so cute. I mean, when he was punking my jersey, I thought he was gonna be like, that's cool. And he was like, that's not it. That is not it. I was like, rude.

[Bowen Yang]

Rude.

[Hilary Duff]

So rude.

[Bowen Yang]

When the camera's in their face, they want to embarrass the parents. I think that's what it is. I think that's the kid logic.

[Hilary Duff]

Same. All I want to do is embarrass him and watch him get shy and, like, try.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you kind of got there. You were like, you like my music?

[Hilary Duff]

Cause it's mommy and daddy's music, not his dad. But he likes Matt's music too. He's really into a hip hop, you know.

[Matt Rogers]

So I was thinking back to when we were like. Because obviously, like, walk down memory lane, it was like, you. And then all this, like, hardcore, like, rap and R and B were the charts.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It was like. That was like, what was coexisting on that at the time.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. Who? Remind me.

[Matt Rogers]

Ja Rule. This was like, love Ja Rule.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, this is back in the day.

[Hilary Duff]

Ja Rule radio is amazing on Spotify.

[Matt Rogers]

I gotta just ride that out.

[Hilary Duff]

It's a real happy, like, clapping through this day kind of vibe.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course. And Ja Rule was on MADtv as a guest once, and he was legitimately great.

[Hilary Duff]

He was.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Anyway. But it was okay.

[Hilary Duff]

So this is the time I'm like, was he in front of me on the charts or below me on the charts?

[Matt Rogers]

It was always about Ja Rule and Hilary Dock. You know what I mean? It was like jockeying for position.

[Hilary Duff]

I remember. I don't remember what album it was. Maybe not Dignity. I don't know. Mary J. Blige was like, ahead of me. And then the next week I got ahead of her. And I remember it being like, yes, but also like, love Mary J.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course. It's like. It's a thing of, like, you have so much respect. You're like, God, I'm so happy to do all in the charts. But Mary J. Y.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like, that's real love. That's like. That's Mary J. Blige. But I feel like. I feel like now the. The concept of charts, to me, you're on top of it. You keep track of it. I don't really care. But of course, I'm not on the other side of it where I'm like, you have people from the label or whoever, like, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

What is the thing that with charts now is that. Is it, like, of paramount importance to labels and to. Is it important to you? Like, how do you feel about the charting of it all?

[Hilary Duff]

I think I. If I said I didn't care, it would be a lie.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

But I have never. That's never been even, like, radio singles. I never had, like, a ton of love there. So mine was always, like, fan connection and, like, touring. So the fans showed up for me. I toured a whole bunch and like, that business, like, got very massive for me quickly. I do care you want your work to be, like, observed, but I don't think it's. It's that important. And I think a lot of things come into play, you know, like every. Like every industry now, it's a thing, but the labels are excited when, you know, it's doing well. It's hard. It's a hard industry. So, yeah, any kind of, like, accolade or exciting number that you land on is great for morale.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, of course.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, okay.

[Bowen Yang]

The thing that we can liken it to is, like, this little show breaks into, like, the top 80 every now and then.

[Matt Rogers]

50.

[Bowen Yang]

50 you can get up there. But so maybe. So maybe just to like, to make this about me for a second,

[Matt Rogers]

like,

[Bowen Yang]

I. I think it's. I'm with you. It's like, it's nice. I would be lying if I was saying it didn't matter.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But the, like, the connection among the listenership and the fans in the community is. Is. I would take that over 100% every day.

[Hilary Duff]

I agree with that. I agree with that. Because that stuff comes and goes, and you see it for a week, you know, and it's just. It can be a great splash. But other than that, like, the meat is, like, the connection and the people that are showing up, and that's the reason why you do it. Right. You're doing it because you love it. And.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Have you remained connected to people that you, like, recognize from, like, way back that have. That were fans, and then like, now you're like, I wonder if you do any shows now when you're like, oh, my God. Wait, hold on a second.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, like, I definitely do.

[Matt Rogers]

There's those people.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, you're still here. Can't believe we're still here.

[Bowen Yang]

It's profound. It is beautiful.

[Hilary Duff]

It is. And the amount of people that are showing up to the shows with, like, literal old Polaroids from my meet and greet. Used to be you get a Polaroid picture and you say hi and you leave. So they have the Polaroid picture.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And it's really sweet.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's the best. And also for them, I mean, for everyone. I feel like on this album, you're dealing with, like, it's like you turn around and you're like, oh, my God. Yeah, we are talking about our boyfriend who's now dating someone that looks like 21, 22 years old. It's like we actually did grow up and now have these things in common too. I just love songs that just let your ex know you have their number.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, I have the receipts.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I actually know that you're out there, like, doing the. Doing the cliche stuff.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, yeah. And why are you doing okay, like, clearly from the outside where you're not doing. You're not doing great.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you ever hear it's, like, topical?

[Hilary Duff]

You're like, this is topical.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. My kink is Karma by Chapel Rowe. Obsessed, obsessed, obsessed.

[Hilary Duff]

Because my kids love it, and I am like, can we share this? Yes. I don't. You know, they don't really, like, read too much into lyrics, but they say all the words. Like, that happened.

[Bowen Yang]

So then as a parent, you're, like, listening to this. You're listening to your kids talk about these really deep concepts, dark concepts. Like, it's nice to like that. They're just detached from it, though.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Mei Mei's favorite song on my record, the one that she always requests is Holiday Party, which starts out with, like, in my head, you live another life where you fuck all my friends.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, exactly.

[Hilary Duff]

Like, it's very. Just like a very heady. Can I say that?

[Matt Rogers]

Of course. Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

A very heady song about, like, anxiety and you making up what you know must be true, even though it's not.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Anyway, she just blows through the lyric, and I'm like, you know, we're in the arts. There's a time and a place.

[Matt Rogers]

Is that how you justify it? Yeah, 100%.

[Hilary Duff]

We do. Also, we have a teenager in the house. We have a big spread of kids. I always joke that, like, none of the moms at school will want their kid to be friends with Townes, the baby, because she's the fourth child. She's gonna know all the things.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Hilary Duff]

The fastest, the earliest.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

You know, she's gonna be the one spreading the news on the lead the charge.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but someone has to lead the charge.

[Hilary Duff]

They do.

[Matt Rogers]

Among that age group.

[Hilary Duff]

They do. But I feel like if it was my first child and Luca had all the kid glove handling, that I would be like, stay away from that child that has all the siblings and knows all the things. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

I was the receipts. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

So. But yeah, we handle lyrics like that because we try to have a lot of conversations in our house and just skirt around, you know, some of the ones that they're not ready for yet. But art is art, and, you know, we're constantly listening to music and writing and doing this thing, so they've gotta be exposed to it. I think some of the serious ones on the record, which was like, giving head in the back of the bar or whatever, people came for me so hard and they were like, do you do that in front of your children? I was like, mm, mm. Definitely not.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, bring em in.

[Matt Rogers]

That's a parasocial thing though, I think. I really do. And I feel like you must experience that to such a degree because like when someone feels like they know you, they get a little bit more like their guard goes up about themselves about something like that. Because we don't contextualize like for any of these pop girls in terms of lyrics like that. But I feel like when someone.

[Hilary Duff]

You think. Because they don't have kids, maybe.

[Matt Rogers]

I think a lot of projection happens when you've grown up with the person.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean?

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You must feel that way.

[Hilary Duff]

For sure. Yeah. There's parts of my. I mean, I've said this before, but there's parts of my identity to people that haven't grown because the character hasn't grown 100%, you know.

[Bowen Yang]

Parts of your identity that haven't grown.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, like in people's minds.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, absolutely.

[Hilary Duff]

That they're like, oh, she's that from Cinderella story or Lizzie or whatever, you know, and that character never grows up. So like I can't.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. You know, that is. It's an interesting thing. Like I remember like a few years ago, like when the Lizzie McGuire reboot was happening, I was so on your side when you were like, we have to have this person be an adult woman. Yeah, we think.

[Hilary Duff]

I know. Well, yeah, I mean, just. It was. The only thing that made sense to me was like, she's got to be doing 30 year old things, not 14.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Also there's been an app, this, this press store. There's been an absence of. Of love for younger. And I just want to say shame on everyone because that was a great American television series.

[Hilary Duff]

Did you happen to see the clip of. On my Instagram? You weren't watching my stories this morning? You're kidding.

[Matt Rogers]

I was streaming the album this morning.

[Hilary Duff]

I appreciate that. I appreciate that. We'll take all the streams we can get. B. She cares. One of my best year's friends in life I made on that show. It's Molly Bernard. She's the redhead. Lauren. She was at my show last night. Absolutely. Going off and some fan caught it on camera and it's so cute.

[Matt Rogers]

The best. She's like full circle moment.

[Hilary Duff]

My friend's a pop star.

[Matt Rogers]

I know.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause she hadn't been able to see that.

[Hilary Duff]

No, that's. She's only seen me and my mother varying. My child varying years and very different than that part of my past.

[Matt Rogers]

It was. It's so back, though. Like, I mean, when you came in, the first thing we gushed you was how great you were on the Tonight show and you said you had fun doing it.

[Hilary Duff]

I did. I'm having a lot of fun. I mean, the amount of work is crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And there are days where you're like, how do I get through this?

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Matt Rogers]

And now you're gonna go do hot ones.

[Hilary Duff]

I know. Which I'm so excited about. But I'm terrified. And then the kicker of it all is I'm getting on a plane after.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh. So, wow. I think that's actually.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause you can poop on the plane.

[Hilary Duff]

Not like a want to.

[Bowen Yang]

You're gonna have to.

[Matt Rogers]

There comes. There comes a point where everyone gets to, like, a certain point where you're like, okay, all my life, I've not pooped on the plane. Today's the day.

[Hilary Duff]

Today's the day after.

[Matt Rogers]

You meet yourself in that moment and then you move forward.

[Hilary Duff]

I will keep you posted on what happens when we take our booty class together. I will see.

[Matt Rogers]

The thing about taking a workout class together, though, is that is the great equalizer.

[Bowen Yang]

We got dinner with someone last night who was waiting in line at the bathroom at some event. And then.

[Hilary Duff]

I hate waiting in line at the bathroom.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no, no. She goes in and there's like the. The seat is, like dappled and stuff. And then she goes a little bit of that. And then she was like, in her mind, she was like, that wasn't her. It was the person before. And she, like everybody else beforehand just squatted. Just hovered and squatted. You know what I mean?

[Hilary Duff]

And like, I have this weird thing that people follow me to the bathroom my entire life.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I would imagine.

[Bowen Yang]

I got eyes on Hillary.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I would, even if it wasn't mine, clean it because I don't want people thinking it was me.

[Bowen Yang]

I do the same thing.

[Hilary Duff]

Same tons of toilet paper around me. I'm cleaning it. Okay. It's spotless when I leave, and then sometimes spotless when. Yes, correct. I feel the same way. I will even wipe down the countertop sometimes if it's not like a whole thing, a big thing. And then the other thing is, what if it was an unruly flusher that sprayed the sea?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, forget it.

[Hilary Duff]

Sometimes I like to give people the benefit of the doubt. If I can't see the color, I'm like, well, it was the flusher.

[Matt Rogers]

It was the water.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You're saying you're having fun. Are you able to identify, like, the different thing this time, like, this go round, like, what is making it fun?

[Hilary Duff]

Okay, one, I have a dream team sent from God. I'm, like, loving everyone that's around me right now. And that feels really good. Not that it's been, like, bad before, but just this is like, I'm having fun. We hang, like, we try to, you know, pepper in fun, normal things that aren't just constantly like work and fluff.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm so tired of glam. And I love my glam. Getting makeup and hair done right now. I'm just like, I know. Yeah, you dissociate and complaining about that sounds so lame. Because I know friends that would be like, I would love to have my glam done every day, but there's something about being stuck in the chair and unable to do anything during that time that you're just like, feel really crappy. Especially as a parent, if I'm sitting in my house and I want to be around, so my kids feel like I'm around that day and I'm getting glammed, I feel like it's so tragic. I feel like they must. I. I'm desperate for them to not look back and be like, mommy got glammed all the time.

[Matt Rogers]

My memories of my mother where she was upstairs in glam.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, no.

[Hilary Duff]

Haunts me a little bit.

[Matt Rogers]

Never.

[Hilary Duff]

Can we bounce back to Fallon for a second?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

I had this crazy, like, leg moment.

[Matt Rogers]

I love the leg.

[Hilary Duff]

But let's zoom in on a picture from the leg at some point. You guys, I have a sock mark. If that doesn't sum up. If that doesn't sum up, me trying to exist as a pop star in Hollywood is like my sock mark. That.

[Matt Rogers]

First of all, the sock mark. No one was ever gonna notice it because, you know, it was on point. Your hairography. Oh, hairography on 10 at the tonight Show.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. That happened fast. The wet.

[Matt Rogers]

The wet look light. And it happened. It really like the hair landed. And then of course, we got the classic iconic. We're on all fours and we give. Perfect. That was really well done.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, can I ask you, walking around in a house that's falling apart while it's raining, is that a callback?

[Hilary Duff]

It was a slight. It was a slight callback. We, we. We grabbed a moment, a little nod to the past.

[Bowen Yang]

That house was fucked up and falling apart. I was like, girl, get out of there.

[Hilary Duff]

The director built. Had his crew, by the way. We filmed that right before Christmas. So there was like not that many people around.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Who wanted to work. And he got this like skeleton crew together and they built that house just like a four wall house somewhere in like Pomona amongst like mustard greens. And the house actually like fell apart. It was really cool. Like on purpose. It was like gagged, like rigged like that.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Hilary Duff]

I was like, whoa, this still happens. People spend this money sometimes.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that it was gagged like that. That is a new expression you just created.

[Bowen Yang]

Gagged like that.

[Matt Rogers]

The house was all gagged up.

[Hilary Duff]

Gagged up.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe title of EP gagged up.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, should we trademark it? Yes. I wanted to ask. One of my favorite parts of the whole album is your Blink sample.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That was an inspired choice. I want to know how this came.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Okay. Well, blink is when I close my eyes and I think about getting my driver's license and my first taste of freedom. Blink was on the radio.

[Matt Rogers]

You're feeling this.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Feeling this. Yeah. So it's a real nostalgic wink. And then actually Matt had the idea to sample that song and I was like, 100%, yes. How do we do that? How do we. Do we just pay them? Do they have to approve it? Can they say no? After I've fallen in love with this song and we've written this beautiful love song to my best friend.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, of course.

[Hilary Duff]

And he's. We just give them all the publishing. Like, okay, great.

[Matt Rogers]

They can just have it. They just have it.

[Hilary Duff]

And it was like worth it enough to me to have on the record. Because I live for that song.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

It does something to me.

[Bowen Yang]

And they're all so sweet. Have you ever connected with Mark Hoppitz?

[Hilary Duff]

They're so nice. I run into Mark at Sushi of the Valley.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Hilary Duff]

Often I feel like I'm driving off the road constantly on Ventura. Because I like to redesign what I would put. How I would design this strip of The Valley. I'm like, we could use this there. That should be a private club. That should be like that motel that's off of Coldwater and Ventura.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm like, can't we make this a cool dinner club and have like. I just like to redesign everything and

[Matt Rogers]

you really should be mayor.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And I'm like, how has this survived here for so long? Put this one out of here.

[Matt Rogers]

I have these questions and then the good stuff leaves us. Like Oil Can Harry's.

[Hilary Duff]

Oil Can Harry's was such a vibe.

[Matt Rogers]

It was the definition of don't try

[Hilary Duff]

to bring your drink on the dance floor. The people that go there every night are like, no, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Hilary Duff]

Get your drink off the dance floor.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. So you were up in Oilcan Harry's?

[Hilary Duff]

Yes, yes, yes, I was.

[Matt Rogers]

What were your years of this?

[Hilary Duff]

Och, ten years ago.

[Matt Rogers]

Like ten years ago.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

That was a week that was like. I feel like I. I would love to.

[Hilary Duff]

How about when you walk into Oil Can Harry's and then it's like massive. You're like, what? I know this is hiding in here.

[Matt Rogers]

I've had some of my best. Like, shouldn't have made out with that person. Make outs there.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And now I never will again.

[Bowen Yang]

No. That's sad. See, you need these spaces. You should open this up in the Val or on that strip.

[Hilary Duff]

New Oil Can Harry.

[Matt Rogers]

Like Hillary presents oil can Harry's 2.0. Like that's, that's.

[Bowen Yang]

I see it all gagged up.

[Hilary Duff]

Ventures gagged up. That's my LLC or whatever that's up.

[Bowen Yang]

Wait, I have a question about Tonight show just to go back to this.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay,

[Matt Rogers]

okay.

[Bowen Yang]

This is my question.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Because you're changing the lyrics because it's television from you know, giving head, kissing your neck.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes. Did you giggle at that?

[Matt Rogers]

I did.

[Bowen Yang]

I didn't giggle. I was like, oh, that's a great tasteful like alt. But I am always terrified as the songwriter, singer, person. While there's a camera in my face. I'm going to sing the like the uncensored lyric.

[Hilary Duff]

Can I tell you what helped me?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

So I did this every time I.

[Matt Rogers]

Uh huh. Great.

[Hilary Duff]

And it helped me. That's not something I like typically do Mnemonic Queen when I'm performing that song. Cause I'm not singing that lyric. So I like did like you indicated. Yes, I indicated.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And then with K. Gave myself a mental note.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you still say touching myself?

[Hilary Duff]

I did. Because I was like the amount of jerk off jokes that like comedians have probably had on your show like, come on. No, you're gonna let me do it.

[Bowen Yang]

See, when you fight for it, they just want to see you fight. And then once you do it, they're like, all right.

[Hilary Duff]

You just want to know I'm scrappy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but you're not. Like, I would be terrified.

[Hilary Duff]

We're so funny. Of course, when you were trying to figure out what the alt was for giving you head, we were, like, kissing your friend. Yeah. I was like, that changes the whole, of course. Concept of the song.

[Matt Rogers]

If you're like, maybe it is funny when you Kids bopify everything, and it becomes like, kids Bopify. That's really what it is.

[Bowen Yang]

Can we Kids bopify the album?

[Hilary Duff]

I have. I have. I've had to do all the albums.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but kids, poppy is like a level below that or beyond that where it's like. It's about sleepovers and snacks and, you

[Hilary Duff]

know, there's no sleepovers anymore. Bowen. It's a sleep under. No one lets their kids sleep over at anyone's house anymore.

[Matt Rogers]

Is that true? I was going to say. Look, I don't know, because I will say what has changed? And let me know if you think this is true. Well, everything. Well, everything, yes. But Halloween.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, like your kid. You can't just dive into your candy.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I feel like what it is, is it's like. But I will say, our friend Jared lives in Studio City, so it is actually really cute over there because the Mecca. It's like the Mecca for Halloween and, like, trick or treating. But it just felt like for a few years there, I don't know if it's because people were a little bit looking at each other sideways a little bit because of our, you know, you know, political and social reality, but it felt like trick or treating took a dive. Like, kids were not, like, hid in the neighborhood like they used to. I used to run with my little sack, like, going by myself.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. It's a different time. But our parents have, like, always said it's a different time now, and now we're saying it, and it's just like, I think something happens, but it is like, it's. I would never send my kids out trick or treat. Well, Luca goes out with his friends now, and I don't know how much, like, trick or treating they're doing. They're just hanging out.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. They're just hitting the town.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. But, like, we can track him on his phone, so.

[Bowen Yang]

That's right.

[Hilary Duff]

You know, but, like, the. The girls, like, we're trick or treating with them and, you know, we do that really lame thing where basically we, like, take their candy away the next day.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And do what with it?

[Hilary Duff]

They. They call it a. Eat it. No, they. They call it a switch witch or switch witch.

[Matt Rogers]

Switch witch.

[Hilary Duff]

Can you Google that for me? Where you. The kids get to have their fun with the candy the night, and they get to, like, go ham, and we let them. We're not a household that's, like, restrictive.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

So. But. But if they put their Halloween candy bucket, like, outside, the, like, witch comes and, like, leaves them.

[Matt Rogers]

You sure?

[Hilary Duff]

A stuffy or a toy or whatever and takes, like, the candy.

[Bowen Yang]

There's a.

[Matt Rogers]

There's a value trade.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. And I. We have a lot of treats throughout the week, and I realize that treats are just, like, you know, it's fun.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

But I rather it be an experience that we're going out to, like, get a treat and, like, do it with people that we have fun with.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Than just, like, dipping into a bag of candy for the next month.

[Matt Rogers]

Because that.

[Bowen Yang]

That's, like, stoner culture. We're not gonna.

[Matt Rogers]

We're not.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not doing all that in the family.

[Hilary Duff]

We're not doing all that.

[Matt Rogers]

We're not doing all that.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's time to ask the question.

[Matt Rogers]

We have to ask the question.

[Hilary Duff]

The question.

[Matt Rogers]

The question. This is the central question of Lost, coach. This is the big one. Hilary Duff, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

[Hilary Duff]

I have given this question so much thought. I knew it, and I was like, what angle do I approach?

[Matt Rogers]

Because there are so many.

[Hilary Duff]

There are so many.

[Matt Rogers]

And we're willing to hear all angles.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

I have one prepared.

[Matt Rogers]

Follow your heart.

[Hilary Duff]

I am going to say the Spice Girls.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank God for you.

[Matt Rogers]

You've done it.

[Hilary Duff]

Has someone else said the Spice Girls

[Matt Rogers]

in the history of the show? I feel like, probably, but not today.

[Hilary Duff]

So, of course, I wanted to be Baby Spice, but the Spice Girls, for me was my first concert and the first time I saw women and all their different vibes and, like, celebrating each other, too. Yeah. But, like, their expressions, like, sporty, posh, this, that. I was like, oh, my God. And you can be all of them. It just depend on the day, how you wake up feeling.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

You could feel like one of the Spice Girls, and I was, like, limited to. And then we started coming out to California and, like, would hit Melrose, and then I could basically, like, imitate all of their wardrobe.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And there was a store in Santa Monica called Wild Pair, and I could. My mom wouldn't let Me buy any of the really, like, high slutty shoes because I was nine.

[Matt Rogers]

You were not yet at a high slutty.

[Hilary Duff]

It was like, almost like Payless. How they have, like, boxes of shoes out.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

But they were high heels, platforms, and I could, like, strap them on and, like, go for a walk and.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Hilary Duff]

Like, I'm a fudgeing Spice Girl right now.

[Matt Rogers]

Because that was such a huge part of the Spice Girls thing, was the platform.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Shoe and the platform sneaker. So, like, I could get that on Melrose and my mom let me have them, and it was so fun. It was like, hair, makeup. All the inspiration you needed was, like, within the Spice Girls.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And then Spice World happened.

[Bowen Yang]

And then Spice World happened. And this is well documented as well.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, if Baby is number one, who is the more the most frequent sort of person that you would identify with in other moments? Because you're waking up one day, like, most of the time you're a baby.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you feel like you have. I feel like you're also.

[Hilary Duff]

Do you guys remember the lollipops?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

Chumpa Chupa. What are those called?

[Bowen Yang]

The Chupa Chups.

[Hilary Duff]

Chupa Chups. And they were Spice Girls.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

I would dig and dig and dig for the baby Spice Ones, but they were mostly gone. Okay. I think the other one would be Posh. Posh for me was a later. Like a slow burn.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Agree now. 100%, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

But back then, the two parts of my personality was baby and sporty.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Posh was advanced humor. Go with me here.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

So, like, when Spice World happened, I had never really been checking for Posh because for me, it's like, I'm never gonna, like, gravitate towards an energy that's, like, removed and aloof.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially at that time, I was like, I'm excited. I wanna be a part of things. And look at the rest of these girls are really going for it.

[Hilary Duff]

But then I'm obsessed with this.

[Matt Rogers]

But then watching the movie.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

I think one of my answers to this question is the scene where they're doing an obstacle course in the movie. And it just cuts to. It's just showing them go over the obstacle course, and then you just see Posh in heels walking along the side.

[Hilary Duff]

She's like, I'm not playing this game.

[Matt Rogers]

And then all Posh's line deliveries in the movie when they fall in the water, and she's like, this dress is dry clean only. Melanie. I was just like, there's something about her prioritizing. Her glamour and being so mean to the rest of them. But that's still being their sister. That I am, like, deeply envious of the energy of that, like, you can't get me to care. I am unbothered. Before we knew that word that was past spice.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm adding some of that to my personality right now.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. No, download it.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. It's time.

[Bowen Yang]

But I think you. You also taught people to be unbothered with so yesterday.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, my God. Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that is unbothered.

[Bowen Yang]

That is the original Unbothered anthem.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, my God. Really?

[Bowen Yang]

You haven't heard this before?

[Hilary Duff]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Haven't you heard that?

[Hilary Duff]

I'm gonna be okay, you guys. Once I talked to this psychic on the phone, and she doesn't know who you are.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

When you call. And eventually she figured it out, and she was like, are you Hilary Duff?

[Matt Rogers]

How did she figure it out?

[Bowen Yang]

How did she figure it out?

[Matt Rogers]

Despite her psychic ability, shouldn't she have known some of these people?

[Bowen Yang]

How did I say, andrew, go for it.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. She figured it out because. Oh, my God, this is so. I need to, like, call angel and make sure she's cool with me sharing this. I'm friends with Aaron Carter's sister, Angel. We go. Our kids go to the same school. She's a lovely, literal angel of person. We're very close. We talk about Aaron often. So I call this psychic, and I like to dabble.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I dabble as well.

[Hilary Duff]

Two times a year, I get a little wild hair.

[Matt Rogers]

More like a little bit. Like, I've.

[Bowen Yang]

I've. No, I dabble.

[Hilary Duff]

You dabble?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Horoscope.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. Palm reader, cards, whatever I like, I'll

[Matt Rogers]

do any of it because it's fun. Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Give me anything that can validate, like, the path I'm on, choices I'm making.

[Bowen Yang]

Give you a framework. Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Give me a little. Give me a little support. And I'm not living. I'm not living by it, like, firmly. I'm just like, let's have fun with this.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, cool. Yeah, we're with you.

[Hilary Duff]

So I call her. She's so hard to get a hold of, this woman. Okay. I track her down for three weeks. She doesn't let you pay. She's like, this is not my job. This has been a curse for me my whole life. Because she has the gift. Her family, other people in her family have the gift. I guess when she was in school, she'd look at the teacher and be like, you and your husband are gonna get a divorce.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my gosh.

[Hilary Duff]

And then she's like. And she's in trouble, right? But she's like, I saw this happening. Whatever. Like, I can't imagine. And then I think people with that kind of gift maybe have to get. Get it off their face.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like it's like a burden to them unless they expel it. Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

So she. I get on the phone with her, and she's like, oh. She's like, you have, like, such bright energy. I'm so excited to talk to you today. And I was like, oh, thank you. That's so nice. How do we start? I don't know. Should I just start asking you questions? Whatever. She's like, well, people are gonna start showing up for you. And there is someone here. Aaron. Two A's, Erin. And you must have been like, oh, no, my heart. I was like, oh, my God. And she's like. I was like, is it Aaron Carter? And she's like, sure is. What the hell's he doing here?

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Hilary Duff]

And I was like, well, that's my childhood boyfriend. And, you know, I kind of. That would make sense to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And she's like, are you Hilary Duff? Like, cut to our lighter topics. And she was like, so yesterday, Help me through my breakup and I will never not love you. And I was like, oh, my God, that's so funny. Thank you so much. Anyway. Yeah, a really wild experience. But no, I didn't know the lore behind so yesterday being. What'd you call it?

[Bowen Yang]

The Unbothered Anthem.

[Matt Rogers]

The Unbothered Anthem.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Makes sense. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely. 100%.

[Matt Rogers]

It was.

[Bowen Yang]

least not today.

[Hilary Duff]

Not today.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like here's the thing. The thing about you, like, in the way that, like, the place that you held in culture. And I hope that you take this as a compliment. It's like, there were so many times where because everyone looked up to you so much, you were like, hey, this is important to care about. Like, I was thinking on the way up here, it was 2008 when your commercial for Knock it off, don't say don't say Gay came out. And I remember. So we graduated high school in 2008, and I came back from school from NYU one time, and there was, like, one of my. One of my friends, older brothers, was always dogging me. I was in the closet, and he was always, like, the one that was making comments and stuff. And I remember that commercial had come out, and, like, there was, like, a shift in the conversation. I know.

[Hilary Duff]

I hope he gets a real itchy disease. So he Extremely itchy.

[Bowen Yang]

I haven't checked.

[Matt Rogers]

I think. I hope he's itching wherever he is. He certainly is now itching wherever he is.

[Bowen Yang]

But there was.

[Matt Rogers]

There was a moment where my and my one friend had never stuck up for me. When these things happen, usually it was like that thing.

[Hilary Duff]

The brother that was. Your friend never stuck up for you to his brother.

[Matt Rogers]

It was my girlfriend. It was like my, like. Like one of my, like, girlfriends. Not I didn't have a girlfriend, but like, female friend. And it was her older brother that was saying this stuff all the time. And I remember she was like, I was in the other room and she, for the first time ever, was like, what do you care if he's gay? Like, what do you get? What does it matter? Like. And no one. No one was ever saying anything like that. So there was like a turning point. Not to say that you were single handedly the reason why, but, like, I think that, like, yeah, back then it

[Hilary Duff]

was like the word was even.

[Matt Rogers]

No one was saying, this is not cool to say.

[Hilary Duff]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Everyone was saying, it's cool. Like, I remember when we were in middle school and high school, like, Eminem was like the. Essentially the biggest pop star in the world, like, saying these types of things on the radio. Like, it was popular to be homophobic. And then that turn. I also remember a time when I was watching Lizzie McGuire in my kitchen and it was the episode where.

[Hilary Duff]

Because it was just on tv.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it was on tv.

[Hilary Duff]

Do you remember that time? You're like, we're tuning in because it's gonna be on TV right now.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Hilary Duff]

And if you miss it, you miss it.

[Matt Rogers]

If you miss it, you miss it. And you had to tune in. But I remember it was the episode where Miranda was dealing with stuff, with eating.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And my dad was watching over my shoulder and he was just like, what is this show? He's like, I love this show. He's like, he was a PE teacher. He's like, I want to show this to my health class. Like, there was like a lot of messages in what you did at Philly because we all respected you. You were our age, but we respected you. And when you said things that, like, held meaning, we listened.

[Hilary Duff]

That's so nice. Thank you for saying that. Honestly, I hear it a lot. And sometimes, you know, when you hear compliments over and over again, you're like, oh, yeah, thank you. But, like, I receive what you're saying.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, this is different than, like, your hair was incredible on the Tonight Show. That holds value. But this is like it's. You're meaningful to our generation.

[Hilary Duff]

I think when you like, it's nice to always, like, have the compliment or something like this meant so much to me. But when you get to have some framework and see the picture of you and your friend and this guy giving you the older brother giving you a hard time, you're like, oh, I see how that could have impacted you in a nice way and made you not feel bad or whatever, but it stayed with you. I'm starting to try to. Instead of try to deflect from compliments, say thank you. I received that.

[Bowen Yang]

I have that struggle, too. It's a Libra thing. Maybe because we have to balance it out with something. I'm over identifying with you as a Libra rising.

[Hilary Duff]

Rising.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's. Well, isn't that how you see yourself rising?

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, Chani Nicholas, astrologer, does your reading based on your rising and not your sun. So my reading every day is Libra rising. But I think it's that it's like, oh, I have to. You're giving me something positive. I have to counterweight that. I love my favorite part of the psa, though, besides, the message of it is that you still end it with. I love those jeans, though. Like, cute jeans, though. Like, it's still complimentary. You're still showing love to this girl. Yeah, like, that skirt is a top.

[Hilary Duff]

But that was like the young version of me. I don't think I need to, like, round out with a compliment anymore if someone's being a dick. Good, we're done here.

[Bowen Yang]

We're done. Can I share my. Quickly. I'll just share my first exposure to Lizzie McGuire, which was. Has to do with sleepovers, incidentally, fifth grade, heavily still in the closet with all these boys. I'm feeling something. I'm like, wait a minute, what's going on? But this was. It would be on tv. But it was also my first experience with On Demand, where, like, it's like one in the morning. We're all in this Danny Wetmore's basement, and all these boys are like, we have to watch the hottest girl. We're watching Lizzie McGuire. She's the hottest, prettiest. This girl. Hilary Duff.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, my God, no.

[Bowen Yang]

She's so hot. So all these nine year olds being like. So then we're putting, we're putting. And then. And then on this, on their giant home theater screen, they put on Lizzie McGuire at 2am video on demand. This guy's goop. 2am, 2am whatever time it is, Lizzie

[Hilary Duff]

McGuire and I'm like a wild batch. Throw away.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

The Pay per View, they have no older brothers.

[Bowen Yang]

None of the older.

[Hilary Duff]

My 10. No older brothers.

[Matt Rogers]

But then they're probably earnestly watching it, too.

[Bowen Yang]

We were earnestly watching and, like, laughing, being like, oh, my God, she's so good. But it was my. It was like. It was like a first, like, closet moment for me where I was like. But it was safe.

[Hilary Duff]

You're like, I don't feel like she's hot like the rest of them.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no. I was like, she's beautiful. But I thought, But I'm appreciating her in a different way than these boys are. I'm not like.

[Matt Rogers]

But like, all the boys we had crushes on had crushes on you.

[Bowen Yang]

Crushes on you.

[Matt Rogers]

And so we all had you in common.

[Hilary Duff]

It's the sound effect for the straight male. Can you do it one more time?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. But, like, I was. But then I went, I'm not thinking the same thing. These boys are. When I look at this pretty girl, I'm thinking, oh, I want to be friends.

[Hilary Duff]

We need to go shopping together.

[Matt Rogers]

We need to go shopping.

[Bowen Yang]

We're doing.

[Matt Rogers]

I just know in 20 years, we're all going to do Bunda. I just know we're heading to Bunda.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, anyway, so that's. That's my. That's my.

[Hilary Duff]

That's a fun one.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

You know, I really like that one.

[Matt Rogers]

For curiosity's sake, what are your other avenues, like, in terms of the. In terms of the culture that made you say culture was for you? Because you said you had so many.

[Bowen Yang]

You talked about Olsen twins on.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. The Olsen twins were a big event for sale for only 50 cents.

[Bowen Yang]

Only 50 cents. But just that.

[Hilary Duff]

That entire series, like, they were so adorable.

[Bowen Yang]

So adorable, bro.

[Hilary Duff]

Their first sale, with their big eyes, like, you were just like, I want to be you.

[Matt Rogers]

They had it. But that was.

[Bowen Yang]

That was your invite.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I got my first pair of pants from the row.

[Hilary Duff]

When did this happen?

[Matt Rogers]

This happened about four months ago. Wow. My stylist was like, and these are from the row. And I was like, well, like, I've made it. There is a moment when you get something from the row and you're like, should I?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you're gonna have it for life.

[Hilary Duff]

They are life pieces. Because they're life pieces.

[Bowen Yang]

They're sturdy, you know?

[Hilary Duff]

They're what?

[Bowen Yang]

They're sturdy.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, yeah. Sturdy. Yeah. You said dirty. I was like, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Excuse your mouth in the good way. Excuse your mouth.

[Hilary Duff]

What were my other options? Oh, yeah. Greece. Greece was A big one for me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you ever play Sandy?

[Hilary Duff]

Would I or did I?

[Bowen Yang]

Did you or have you or would you?

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. I haven't ever played Sandy.

[Matt Rogers]

Would.

[Hilary Duff]

That would be a fun thing to do. Her and the spandex.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Take me away. I was like, oh, my God, This. I want to put high heels on and, like, strut around. And it's about the shoes.

[Matt Rogers]

It's about the shoes.

[Bowen Yang]

It's about the.

[Hilary Duff]

And then Michelle Pfeiffer did Grease 2, which was arguably.

[Bowen Yang]

People have said this.

[Hilary Duff]

Good.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm not gonna say better.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not gonna argue.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it. But people have sat in this chair and been like, Grease 2 is better, and they'll stand 10 times.

[Hilary Duff]

I think I prefer watching it more. I'm not sure I can say better, but I enjoy watching it more.

[Matt Rogers]

Her.

[Hilary Duff]

Michelle Pfeiffer's so hot. I can't deal.

[Matt Rogers]

There's also a theme here in, basically, I think, women embodying something bigger than something larger than life.

[Hilary Duff]

Something in your face, something. Some. Yeah. Turning point in the woman's existence. Right. Coming into her own. You mean, for me, the theme. For me.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, I'm looking at. I'm seeing threads.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes. Yeah. Okay. And the other one, which also falls under that category is Pretty Woman. And I watched it way too young. This was, like, a real crazy thing in the 90s that I think, well, when we got, like, snowed in, we couldn't. Which is weird because I live in Texas, but we couldn't leave the house because every once in a while it, like, freezes over in Texas.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Hilary Duff]

And we had this house, like, this country house, and there was really nothing to do there. And Pretty Woman was on tv, and my mom was like, well.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, there's the day.

[Hilary Duff]

We're watching it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And I was like, I'm obsessed. Like, it was everything to me. And then the other avenue was TGI Friday.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on.

[Hilary Duff]

Tgif.

[Matt Rogers]

TGIF was massive culture.

[Hilary Duff]

Massive culture.

[Matt Rogers]

I can't believe they named that. They named her after Topanga Canyon.

[Hilary Duff]

Her hair.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, her hair was everything.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It was like Hilary Duff on the Tonight Show.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. The amount of the, like, pounds of hair I had on the Tonight Show.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Hilary Duff]

My kids have gotten really used to just pounds of hair laying around the house.

[Bowen Yang]

That's gonna be their memory of Mommy.

[Hilary Duff]

Right? Just extensions everywhere.

[Bowen Yang]

Not the glam, just the extensions.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, we can only describe as Topanga.

[Bowen Yang]

Coated, of course. Wait. Oh, God, it escaped me. Nevermind.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, hold on.

[Matt Rogers]

Hold on.

[Bowen Yang]

But see you watching Pretty Woman.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And, like, look how everything turned out. Like, Maymay can listen to a song about whatever. You know what I mean? About anxiety or about a mature, you know, song title. Like, mature themes. It's not gonna pollute their mind necessarily.

[Hilary Duff]

No. I mean, there's always ways to have good conversations with your kids. And I think it's totally okay to be like, hey, I would love to explain that to you someday, but that day's not today.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

I don't have to answer every question you ask me. Ask me 5 million fucking questions all the time.

[Matt Rogers]

Are they question kids.

[Hilary Duff]

Mei Mei is. She never stops talking.

[Matt Rogers]

Mei Mei, she's a conversationalist by trade.

[Hilary Duff]

Banks is not, like, as much of a talker until we're having, like, nighttime routine and, like, wind down and she wants to do, like, rose and thorn and. Yeah, she's. And then I'll get a lot out of her then. Mei Mei just never stops talking. Yeah, we love her for that.

[Bowen Yang]

We have different styles, but, like, okay, I'm just.

[Hilary Duff]

As an example. Well, let's go back. But maybe this morning, I'm FaceTiming her, and she's like, I gotta tell you something. Can I tell you something? I'm like, just go out with it. Why do we have to ask the question before the question happens? And she's like, I'm eating a Madeline. I'm eating a Madeline. You gotta tell Daddy. And she's just talking into the camera, and there's, like, just crumbs coming out of her mouth. It's like a dry Madeline. Why do I need to know this? But, like, also, I'm obsessed with. You keep telling me more. She's so funny. So funny. Okay, I cut you off.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, no, no, no, no. Because this is all. This is all pertinent because. And I'm sure you've been asked this a million different ways, but I'm genuinely curious that, like, about. If you've grown up in, like, as a child, like, being treated and handled by a bunch of different people. Like, does that give you this extra dimension to, like, how you are as a parent, how you talk to children now? Like, are you extra sensitive? Do you, like. Because you're. Because it seems like you're very keyed into, like, how someone that age might take in new information? Like, we'll talk about this later. Like, is this something that you're, like, internalizing, that you've internalized from being, like, a child star?

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, I don't know. I haven't really Thought about it like, that. I think I have four kids.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

So I've had a lot of practice. And I, like, say sorry to Luka all the time. Cause I'm like, we just fucked up. I don't know.

[Matt Rogers]

Mommy's a human who fucks up.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, but also.

[Hilary Duff]

No, no. It just, I think way too much, like, involvement, care. Care. You know, doing too much for you. You just can't help it. It's like this new addition to your life where you're like, I do everything for you now. Like, I have this thing to take care of. And then you have, like, more subsequent kids, and you can't do everything for them, and you can't always protect them, and you can't be there for their everything. And then you just, you know, you learn the dialogue that works for your family. Like, some kid that Banks sometimes says curse words. And we let her, because it's so funny to me how old? She's seven. And she only does it, like, she doesn't just, like, willy nilly do it. If we're like, hey, say this thing, she'll do it. And it's hilarious. And we love it. And she knows that can't happen outside of the household or that can't happen. She knows boundaries. If you have a kid that doesn't know boundaries, you obviously can't play that game. You know what I mean? And different conversations. You. Your dialogue changes per child. When you start to know your child.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Interesting.

[Hilary Duff]

Banks cannot stop with sugar. Luka will eat half a cupcake at a birthday party and be like, I'm done. So it's just like, all your kids are different.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Also, I think that, like, as you're talking about, like, you know, your mom sees Pretty Woman on television, sees her daughter and is like, it don't matter. We're watching it. Cause this is my favorite thing.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

One of my favorite memories from when I was growing up is I know my dad wanted to see the Nutty professor, two of the clumps so bad. So he said, get in the car. We're going to the movies. And I was like, oh, okay. It was not up to me. We were just going.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

One of my favorite memories of me and my dad still to this day. And it was something that, like, seeped through in his personality to me. It, like, wasn't a way he was intentionally. It was just him being himself.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And so I feel like he's like,

[Hilary Duff]

we're gonna do what I wanna do. Cause I wanna do it today. And it's probably normally all about you guys, but. Get in, we're going.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, get in, we're going. And I remember, like, I remember there was something too about like watching that movie with him. And it was not quote unquote appropriate, but the allowance that he was giving for us to enjoy that together made us feel closer. And so your kids, how old were you? I was, I guess I had to be like 10, 11. Yeah. I forget exactly when that movie came out, but it was certainly spiritually around that area, like certainly younger than 13.

[Hilary Duff]

When your kids get to an age where they can start handling more of adult life things, it's so fun.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

One, it's really important to keep like the conversations going, you know, in the household, like constantly, like checking in and normalizing topics that you know they're ready for.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

But when you can start enjoying content of the world, that's like more adult and have their takes on it and it's so moving. Honestly, I love it. And Luca and I watched a bunch of movies this year. What did we just watch? Oh, we watched Hamnet.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, wow.

[Hilary Duff]

I know. And it was. He was really into it. He likes a period piece.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Hilary Duff]

I can't get Matt to watch a period piece. So that was really fun.

[Matt Rogers]

You have your sophisticated son for that.

[Hilary Duff]

And the other thing that I did that was like, your dad is. I've started to make him watch a holiday with holiday movie with me every year. And this year we did the holiday and he really enjoyed it. That's so sweet. I know, I know. It's fun.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially you gotta get those things in there too. Before, like, I just remember like being a 14 year old boy, like, and that's when. And I don't know how different it is now, but like other. Other boys start to become like, it's, it's. That's when the toxic masculinity looms. And it doesn't have to be something that people indulge in. And again, and generationally we are different. But I do remember that time and I have like a lot of like, like compassion for the kid that I was, but also all the other kids, the boys around me, because it's like the world is yelling at you to be a certain way. You don't want to be that way. You want to be sensitive. Like you want to actually have access to and display of all your emotions. It's just, it can get loud when you have a culture telling you this is the way boys are supposed to act.

[Hilary Duff]

It's absolutely infuriating. Now parents have to deal with social media and, like, a constant stream of, like. Like, Luca has YouTube. Is it called shorts?

[Bowen Yang]

Shorts, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

YouTube shorts. Right. And that's his version of, like, social media. And it's just like, oh, the things are. You know, you just. You're. It's just the conversations because you're like, okay, they're getting this fed directly into their brains, and their brains aren't as strong as ours yet, and mine's not even that strong anymore. When I see stuff, I'm like, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's just a wild information dump on them. That wasn't something that we had to deal with back then.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank God.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank God.

[Matt Rogers]

Can you imagine? I can't. I can't imagine.

[Hilary Duff]

Well, I mean, we're the last of them.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

We're the last of the people that don't. Didn't have that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And it's really hard to keep it away from your kids, but, you know,

[Bowen Yang]

but just hearing you talk about, like, get in the car, we're going to the movies and talking about to go back to the bus, I think that's, like, the antidote to any anxieties you have about them consuming that. Because it's like, no matter how, I'm sure it'll be challenging throughout the tour to have everybody in the slots or whatever, but you will probably. I'm not telling you how to feel, but you will probably look back on this moment and be really grateful, and it'll be so fond and like, oh, my gosh, we grew up for a couple months on this silly little vehicle.

[Hilary Duff]

I also feel like Matt and I get stronger every time we get faced with something quite crazy, like packing up, you know, four kids. Luca won't be there the whole time. He's a teenager now, and he's, like, deep into soccer, so he'll be, like, in and out, but, like, you know, packing up a bus filled with kids and possibly animals and, you know, and we. I feel like we level up every time we tackle something like that, and it's such a beautiful, like, notch on the belt, so I'm looking forward to it. And back on the topic of social media and our kids getting information from their friends or pressures from their friends or whatever. We do this thing in our house, and I feel like it's so important to just have your little family quirks and stick to them and make your kids do it. On the weekends, we'll just start singing the song in the house, Matt and I. It's Amanda Torrey, family Walk. Amanda Torrey family walk. And we just. And everyone's like, no, we live in the hills, so it's not an easy walk. And we'll, like, get the dogs and we make everyone go. And just like, the conversations that happen are so nice, and everyone enjoys it by the end. But no one wants to go in the beginning.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but, you know, that's part of the process too. Now we have to act like we're put upon to go on the walk in the hills.

[Hilary Duff]

And, like, people would like to go on a walk with me. You don't have any idea how there

[Matt Rogers]

actually are people that are gonna be doing a meet and greet. Specifically 1/12 of the time you're gonna get with me during this walk. And a Polaroid.

[Hilary Duff]

And a Polaroid.

[Matt Rogers]

And a Polaroid. Will everyone in the family come to msg, though?

[Hilary Duff]

I think so.

[Matt Rogers]

Come on.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Luca lived in New York with me when I was shooting younger, so he loves. He loves Brooklyn. And he'll have to. He wants to come for the MSG show. That's just a big deal. That's.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a huge deal. You did play MSG back in the day, right?

[Hilary Duff]

I think I only played it for, like a jingle ball. Jingle ball.

[Matt Rogers]

So it's your first time headlining and selling at Madison Square Garden?

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, twice.

[Matt Rogers]

So major. Twice.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

It's so cool.

[Hilary Duff]

It's awesome. It's awesome.

[Matt Rogers]

I just feel like what it must feel like or what it's gonna feel like to go out there after, like, being like, you know, living a different life for so long is gonna be. It's like an extra special experience.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

The muscle memories in there. But I also am so me now that it's nice to have those two people, like, collide.

[Matt Rogers]

100% is wake up in the set list.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Come on. Thank God. Okay. Because that I always am saying London, Paris, maybe Tokyo when we're booking a trip. I mean, that's like. That's just part of. Those are always the topics.

[Bowen Yang]

Tokyoism, maybe. Cause it's just kind of far lond. Paris makes sense together because they're close.

[Matt Rogers]

London, Paris, maybe Tokyo is the hardest left. It's like, wow, we were in London, in Paris. But maybe Tokyo.

[Hilary Duff]

Let's have fun in planes. Go. Take me away.

[Matt Rogers]

What day is the Madison Square Garden show?

[Bowen Yang]

August. It's August. Something the publicist.

[Hilary Duff]

I don't know. We have to Google that. I can't keep dates in my head.

[Matt Rogers]

You're too busy. You're doing everything.

[Bowen Yang]

Um, wait, did Matt write on the Album. Besides Roommates, what else did he write on the album?

[Hilary Duff]

We wrote the whole album together.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

Why did I think it was just Roommates?

[Hilary Duff]

No, we wrote the whole thing together. Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And you can tell because I'm a fan of his work. I love his stuff with Carly Rae. I know, like, I mean, like, he's really, really talented.

[Hilary Duff]

That Carly Rae record.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Actually the one after.

[Matt Rogers]

She's had so many good ones.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm a huge fan.

[Bowen Yang]

But like you're like, you're referencing the Japanese house and like the album and it's like, what are. I'm curious, like, what are you and Matt listening to, like among you? Because like, I feel like you are both from these very wonderful big like through lines in music that are meeting together now in this like lush but still sparse, like pop. Like it's. I love this album so much in the way that like talk about like how you guys arrived together at this.

[Hilary Duff]

I think sonically we were one looking at my old catalog a lot. So I feel like in weather for tennis, you pick up some of that very like Hilary Duff leaning lane.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

But some of the things we were listening to was like the Japanese house, the 1975.

[Bowen Yang]

It's all in that world. Like the limit of the.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, like even Harry's house for me, not so much taking inspiration from that. But I loved putting that record on for the first time and being like, oh, I can just like this is just a fantastic soundtrack.

[Matt Rogers]

It's atmosphere.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes. I'm like, I could be hosting a dinner party and that's happening. I could be in my car solo and this is happening. Like it was just a very like

[Matt Rogers]

all purpose music for a sushi restaurant.

[Hilary Duff]

And then the rest was like really trying not to listen to too much outside music. And we have so many kids that it's not hard to not do that because they kind of will steer the ship. And it's lots of like Taylor Gracie Abrams and Taylor and Cat's Eye and things I love. But you know, it's not gonna go

[Bowen Yang]

on the album necessarily.

[Hilary Duff]

No. We really tried to stay in like a Hillary Duff lane that's almost 40.

[Matt Rogers]

I loved that. It does. It does feel like it's still like it speaks to a little bit. That pop rock thing that you were so like emblematic of.

[Hilary Duff]

I feel like back then it gets a little dreamier. There's like a veil of dreamy on top of that.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like a nostalgic filter over that sound, but more contemporary. And I love the way your voice sounds on it too.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, it's just really like. I think the choices, like, are just so great. And I love the, like, little pops of humor that are in there. It's just like I said, like, it

[Hilary Duff]

feels like it's so me. It's so, like, me coded. And it's weird to say that, but it's like, you know, there's a lot of. There's a lot of, like, serious themes on the record, but they're, like, disguised as, like, a going out night.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

And like, maybe there's like, rhinestone bra underneath that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Oversized dress shirt. You know what I mean? Like, it's. I feel like that is very. A big part of my personality. Like, oh, this is kind of happening and it's serious, but also like, we're having a great time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And that. I really wanted that to be expressed on the record because that's being an adult. Right. Like, we're handling so many things. We're moving through parts of life that, like, are new to us. And it was, like, important for it to just be very, like, real and. And raw.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I feel like that's the theme of the album to me, is that like, oh, these are all, like, moments in between or on the way to, like, a bigger conversation. Much like, you know, talking, like, talking to the kids. Like, we'll talk about that later. It's like, I feel like adult size medium is about that. It's like, oh, it's like this is kind of deteriorating, but, like, we can't really address it just yet. Or there's just a lot of that aliyama that I think that, like, is really hard to capture, that people don't really take the time to, like, focus in on. It's very. What you're describing where it's like, I could put this on at home. I could put this onto the car. It is all purpose, but so specific.

[Hilary Duff]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

So it's really fucking good.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank you so much. Also, my voice, like, it was really fun to get on the mic again after 10 years. Like, really 10 years. I recorded Matt and I love third eye blind and he was doing a cover and I just happened to. It was during COVID and I was like, are you really trying to cover a Third Eye Blind song and not have me sing on it? Like, what the actual fuck? And so I sang that, but I really hadn't sang on a microphone in so long. And so to, like, arrive here and now and, you know, write this record and just have my voice, like, I'm so Much different now. I'm so much more in my body that I'm not, like, I don't need to sing that note or be this thing. I'm just. I'm just me. And, like, you know, I'm making this record. Cause it feels good. And it's just an absolute cherry on top that, like, people are connecting to it and like it deeply.

[Matt Rogers]

People love it. I mean, us included. And, like, it's just. We're very, very, very happy to have a Hilary Duff album again. And we're so excited to see you at msg. We're definitely gonna be there. August. It'll be a hot, sweaty.

[Hilary Duff]

It will. It will. It's an indoor venue. Thank goodness.

[Matt Rogers]

I know. Thank God.

[Hilary Duff]

But New York, when it's hot and muggy, like. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? It's the worst when you're experiencing it. And give me the hot tracks.

[Bowen Yang]

Wait, wait. I want more of this. Because people don't. This is. Thank you for being an apologist, seasoned apologist about muggy New York. Because people love to shit on it. And I'm like, it's not that bad. We're out.

[Hilary Duff]

I will tell you that there were times when I lived in soho and I was shooting younger, that I came to my apartment. I got up, my elevator, like, opened to my apartment, and I just, like, sat down and sobbed. Like, sometimes the humidity and heat, if you're, like, trying to run errands. And I'm an LA girly, so, like, I don't understand the concept of, like, shopping small totally.

[Bowen Yang]

Or, like.

[Hilary Duff]

And I would just have, like, so many bags, and I'm like, tough. And I'm like, I am. I. Yeah, yeah. You're counting the steps, you know, and you're just like, I know.

[Bowen Yang]

I would.

[Matt Rogers]

I would identify as being seasonally depressed during August. Back in the day, I remember. Remember I was saying this. I was like, I think I get seasonal affective disorder when it's August in New York. I was.

[Hilary Duff]

Bugs come out. And you're sitting outside and you're just like, now I'm eaten alive by mosquitoes. It's horrible.

[Matt Rogers]

I thought you were saying.

[Hilary Duff]

But there's something. I do. I romanticize it because, like, same. It's tied to memories for me that, like, I love.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. It's like.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's like, what you're just saying. It's like you remember fondly the nostalgia

[Hilary Duff]

filter that sitting in.

[Matt Rogers]

It was over you sobbing on a roof because. Because, like, you can't walk another step. And then here we are. And it's what you remember about it.

[Hilary Duff]

It's adult size, medium. You look back and you're like, I missed those nights. And you're like, that night sucked so and so, kissed so and so.

[Bowen Yang]

And like, you're right.

[Hilary Duff]

We ended like tears in a toilet. It was a horrible night. What are you talking about?

[Matt Rogers]

And you're like, oh, but if I want Take me back to return. It's so real being in your 20s.

[Bowen Yang]

Whatever. It's the. Is it time? I think it's time.

[Matt Rogers]

It's time we've approached the moment. I don't think so, honey. It's our one minute segment that we do where we take a little something in culture and we just sort of work it. We work it out on the remix with this thing. It's not necessarily a takedown. Like for example, the one I'm gonna do today.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, do you guys go first?

[Bowen Yang]

We go first.

[Matt Rogers]

We demo. So I go first, Bowen go second.

[Hilary Duff]

What if you take mine?

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think they're gonna do this one.

[Hilary Duff]

What if you change my trust? Do you have notes on your phone?

[Bowen Yang]

Just a timer.

[Matt Rogers]

Just a timer.

[Bowen Yang]

But you can write notes if you want.

[Hilary Duff]

Bowen, are you cheating?

[Matt Rogers]

No, see, it's not cheating if you do it. But I will say. I mean, we say every time. It tends to hit less hard when someone reads off their phone.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm not gonna read off my phone.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. No, you're not. All good?

[Bowen Yang]

All good.

[Hilary Duff]

Do I want to? Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, we won't now. We won't allow it.

[Bowen Yang]

Now.

[Matt Rogers]

We won't allow it. All right. I feel ready. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. It's time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Crossword culture. I'm sorry, I wake up in the morning. I don' about it today. Thank you so much, New York Times. Today, Las Culturistas is in the crossword.

[Bowen Yang]

A huge honor.

[Matt Rogers]

I have been texted, reached out to by more people than if I announced my wedding, which probably will never happen. But the thing is, like, I old friends from high school, like guys I used to date, like, wow, this is amazing. Congrats on all you've accomplished. We just won a GLAAD award and no one said anything. But we're in the crosswords and it's like we've given birth to the royal heir. And here's the thing. Bowen did just walk me through a crossroad right before you got anyone. And I see why it's fun. I just wish I could be the Kind of person that woke up and thought of the crossword. And that is so many millions of people. And I just want to know where we diverged in the woods. That I don't think of the crossword. And y' all do. Was it my parents? Should my dad, instead of taking me to nutty professor, shown me the crossword? I don't know. So, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's one minute.

[Hilary Duff]

I have so many thoughts.

[Bowen Yang]

Go ahead.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. It's just too hard. Like I'm not good enough.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially the ones in the New York Times on a Sunday.

[Hilary Duff]

I know. That's the one I'm talking about. But people wake up and do it on a Sunday. Ever thought to do it before bed?

[Matt Rogers]

He I, that's good.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's interesting.

[Hilary Duff]

Like a wind down.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what's cute? Might be fun for the family on the bus. Might be fun for you at home. New York Times crossword puzzle book of Mondays. Easy.

[Hilary Duff]

What is this?

[Bowen Yang]

So by the days of the week, you know, like the final boss is Sunday. Because it's bigger. It's not necessarily harder. Saturday and Friday are like really tough. Monday. Anybody can do it.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Truly anybody. And that's. And that's to wean you on. That's to like. Cause there's like, hints that recur. There's like hints that there's like, things that, like, you're like, oh, that's from. From like a month ago. Like, you start to. You really start to get. People get obsessed over it. The culture is because it slowly, like, very gently brings you on board. I understand that it seems very daunting. I'm not all the way there with all these die hards who love the crossword. Isn't it funny?

[Hilary Duff]

Also, the things in our culture that just hold the most weight to people, like the coolio. The coolio. The thing that people have that like, has a chokehold on them. Like the crossword. And you guys made it in the crossword. And it's all of a sudden you're like, did I get. Is it my birthday? What's with all these texts?

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right, right. More text today than the other day for my birthday. No, I'm kidding. That's not true. But it is a thing of.

[Bowen Yang]

I didn't realize this was so important to you.

[Matt Rogers]

Here's what bothers me about it. So we're sitting here and we're doing it. And the one clue was like, it's like a five letter word starting with an S. And it was other word for pastry in a bakery. And I'm sitting here and I'm like,

[Hilary Duff]

do you already have it?

[Matt Rogers]

Do you know what it is?

[Hilary Duff]

No, I need. I'm just too.

[Bowen Yang]

Five letters, starts with S. It's Scone.

[Matt Rogers]

And I'm sitting here and I'm like, well, of course I knew Scone. And I feel like after every single crossword thing, if I'm doing it with someone and they get it first, my instinct is to want to be like, hey, I knew. I did know that. Like, I do know Scone. Like, don't think I don't know Scone. And it's like that with everything. But he's so fast.

[Hilary Duff]

No, I literally looked at. And I was like, you know it. I saw it download in your brain, and I was like, you fucking dumb.

[Bowen Yang]

And that can be smart.

[Hilary Duff]

No, I can't.

[Matt Rogers]

He's the smartest person.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, I'm not.

[Hilary Duff]

I don't claim it, receive it.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you. Or should we say thank you, Libra.

[Matt Rogers]

Now, Now. Thank you for bringing back Now Now. Because I really do think Now Now.

[Bowen Yang]

Now, Now.

[Matt Rogers]

That's very US Culture is to say Now Now.

[Bowen Yang]

So there's no way that you're gonna do mine because mine is inspired by a lyric. It's not coming for you, of course.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay. Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

It's inspired. You've really gotten me thinking about this lyric.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. The expression, dying on that hill. It's a lyric in weather for tennis. It's a great. It fills out the syllables. It fills out the line, the verse. Dying on that hill. How about dying in the peace and comfort of your own home?

[Matt Rogers]

Come on.

[Bowen Yang]

Passing away in your sleep in be

[Matt Rogers]

dying on that hill.

[Bowen Yang]

See, people say, that's a hill I'm willing to die on. But remember when we used to have opinions and not have stakes attached to them?

[Matt Rogers]

30 seconds. Why do we have to die?

[Bowen Yang]

I'm dying. I'm gonna die on this hill. Trader Joe's has the best orange chicken. Shut up.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, you're dying.

[Bowen Yang]

You're dying on that hill. Also, this isn't the Civil War. It might be about to be, but

[Matt Rogers]

this isn't the old one.

[Bowen Yang]

There's no hills. There's no. Everybody, keep the hills clear of bodies.

[Matt Rogers]

Five seconds. Now.

[Bowen Yang]

Keep the hills clear. That might be public space. Green space, public infrastructure. Keep the hills clear of your corpse.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Keep it open for the picnics.

[Bowen Yang]

Keep it open for the picnics. But weather for tennis reminded me of that saying.

[Hilary Duff]

That's so good. And I love that line in the song because it does fill out everything that's needed. That's a very wordy song. There's not a lot of room to breathe in that song.

[Matt Rogers]

I love how, like, it is a.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Mariah Carey Ask. There's a lot of, like, thoughts.

[Matt Rogers]

Full album, full of thoughts.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Lots of lyrics.

[Hilary Duff]

Lots of lyrics.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

Which has kind of always been my music until I, like, started going into, like, super dancey genre.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, we remember that. That was, like the dignity era.

[Hilary Duff]

It was like a weird turn. But not for nothing.

[Matt Rogers]

With love.

[Hilary Duff]

With love.

[Matt Rogers]

Everything. Also beat of my heart. Oh, don't forget beat of my heart. Before Zed, there was beat on my heart. And that's just true.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Love that one.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So good.

[Hilary Duff]

Very fun. That one's in the. In the Small Room's Big Nerves tour.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, it has to be.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, it's been fun. Okay. Is it my turn? Okay. I'm just realizing how long a minute is, and it's giving me.

[Bowen Yang]

Just realizing.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it's always been 60 seconds. Nothing changed today when you came in, we didn't elongate a minute.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, you can do it. You can do it.

[Hilary Duff]

I think I'm ready.

[Bowen Yang]

You've done so many harder things.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Hilary Dust. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.

[Hilary Duff]

I don't think so, honey. The boom of the robots, please. I am not interested. I would like to talk to a real person on the phone.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, thank you.

[Hilary Duff]

I am sitting there. You know what's gonna happen as soon as I get a real human on the phone after I've pushed every single button. Representative. A real human with a beating heart. Please. Linda, pick up. I need you.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. Where are you at, Linda?

[Hilary Duff]

To be in Coldwater Canyon. My call's going to drop. I'm going to be put to the beginning of the line again. I just need to book my airline ticket. I need to talk to a person. Okay. The other thing that's stressful for me is these little robots that are delivering food in the bucket.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Hilary Duff]

They are so stressed out, they're having an anxiety attack. Watching them slam on the brakes every second, I'm like, the poor thing. All of a sudden, I'm feeling empathy for this thing. They had to put eyes on it and give it a name.

[Matt Rogers]

No, they didn't have to.

[Hilary Duff]

Why'd they put eyes on it and give it a name? I feel like it looks so isolating. That little thing's slamming on its brakes, trying to cross the road. Kids are punking it, poking at it,

[Bowen Yang]

thinking it's five seconds.

[Hilary Duff]

Can't defend five seconds. That's all I have left. What's happening to the pad thai inside of the bucket after it's been slamming on its brakes a hundred times? I don't think so, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. See? One minute. You ended up needing more time than.

[Hilary Duff]

Because my other one was gonna be. Why am I constantly getting logged out of my streaming services?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I don't.

[Hilary Duff]

Why do we need a two step verification?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, forget two step verification.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm done. I can't even watch TV tonight.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't remember who I am. No.

[Hilary Duff]

Or my passcode for that.

[Bowen Yang]

But I remember 562-718. What's that? That's my one time passcode for box.com.

[Hilary Duff]

it's too much. The passcode.

[Matt Rogers]

You didn't mention the biggest threat to humanity in the Valley area, though, and I'm saying it.

[Bowen Yang]

Tell me, Waymo.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Hilary Duff]

Have you written in a Waymo?

[Matt Rogers]

I refuse. Because our best friend Jared got in a Waymo to go to a bar. And a bunch of our friends were at the bar and they're like, oh, look, there's Jared in a Waymo. And then Jared got stuck. The Waymo got stuck in an intersection and the light changed from red to green and literally traffic was going around him. The Waymo didn't know how to figure it out. So everyone, he got out of the car and went into the high tops, Los Feliz. And they were like, you that tried that Waymo tried to kill you.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm not into the Waymo. I'm not into. I'm not into all this. I want some human contact.

[Bowen Yang]

I want absolutely.

[Hilary Duff]

No. It's too much experience. It's too much robot.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all, thank you for that. Second of all, you do not, Hillary Duff, have to feel any empathy for the robot. Feeling anxiety, don't worry. But that is because they've manipulated us into feeling that way because of these eyes. And one person takes a photo of one of these, they give them names. They named one after Stuart Marie. They didn't name it after me, but there's one named Bowen driving around West Hollywood.

[Hilary Duff]

I go, get out of here.

[Bowen Yang]

Should I sue? Should I sue?

[Hilary Duff]

This is infringement.

[Bowen Yang]

This is infringement on my name. No. I don't know. My name is not my own. But isn't that weird, though? They want you to feel like, oh, it's Wally.

[Hilary Duff]

You know, it's Wally. It's Wally. And now I'm having all kinds of. Of feelings.

[Bowen Yang]

But you don't. Don't have.

[Hilary Duff]

Don't. But don't you like.

[Matt Rogers]

But here's the thing. Does a little part of you think it's cute?

[Hilary Duff]

It's a little cute, but it's just a slamming on the brakes that make me really sad.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't like it at all. I. And also I don't think I've ever had. Can you choose if your delivery is

[Hilary Duff]

being like on a bike or like a. Or a real person?

[Matt Rogers]

You don't think you can choose? Okay, I don't think so.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so.

[Matt Rogers]

Honey, you can pick, but I just. I want the autonomous and I can't with the way most. Because they are it. I don't get how that happened.

[Hilary Duff]

You guys saw the. The Jimmy Kimmel's aunt went in the Waymo and they filmed it. Tell me you saw that. Oh my gosh. It's so funny. I mean, that she's screaming at the top of her lungs and she's calling her daughter who's like the producer with Kimmel or whatever, and she's like, I'm in the car and there's not a driver. And she's like losing her mind. It's so funny. And she's like grabbing the thing and the steering wheel turning. And she's like, what? I sent the car for you. And she's like, I'm telling you, I'm in the car you sent and there's no driver.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep. I only want to be in a self driving car if it's at Disney's California Adventure and Radiator Springs racers.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, I lied to my kid and said that they slowed the. I know.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but you have to do that.

[Hilary Duff]

They slowed it down.

[Bowen Yang]

You gotta.

[Hilary Duff]

And he was so mad.

[Matt Rogers]

You have to be the parent that's like, we're getting on this.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah, I know. You should see what kind of a fight it out turns turns into sometimes.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh.

[Hilary Duff]

I mean, you're like, I'm not that person. But I am right now. Get the.

[Bowen Yang]

On the phone.

[Matt Rogers]

I know. Like, and.

[Hilary Duff]

And that's how expensive Disneyland is. Get.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

We're doing this today.

[Matt Rogers]

Are all four of them interested in doing the rides?

[Hilary Duff]

No. And I scarred Luca so bad. We had like a pretty big arm wrestle to get him on Scream in California or what. What?

[Matt Rogers]

I guess they call it incredicoaster.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. And he wouldn't do it. He wouldn't do. And he's, like, scarred for life that I pressured him.

[Matt Rogers]

And did he get on it eventually?

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, yeah, eventually. Not with me. Not with me. With his cousins. And I was like, I'm glad you had that experience, but we were here three months ago. I wanted that experience when my dad

[Matt Rogers]

took us to Universal in Orlando when I was young, like 10, and I had been talking about the Incredible Hulk roller coaster for like a year. Like, I can't wait to do it. You get there, and I start sobbing, and he's. He goes, no. And he's like, we're not doing this because then we're gonna leave and you're gonna talk the whole time about how you didn't do it. Dragged me on.

[Hilary Duff]

Dragged you on.

[Matt Rogers]

Dragged me on.

[Hilary Duff]

The things that those people have seen. Yeah, it's.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, the ride operators.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, yeah. Yeah. We went to Disney World for Christmas, and it was so much fun. And Banks actually got on a few of the little coasters, like the Slinky Dog.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, we love the Slinky Dog.

[Hilary Duff]

It was so fun.

[Matt Rogers]

We love the Slinky Dog.

[Hilary Duff]

Not a Slinky Dog, but we do, like, you know, it's a small world, like 15 times.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Well, you know, there's a lot to see a lot of those little guys in there. You gotta. You gotta say hello to.

[Bowen Yang]

I want to apologize to everybody for being pro New York humidity.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Hilary Duff]

Great for the skin.

[Matt Rogers]

It's unbelievable for the skin.

[Bowen Yang]

But. But to. To think of you sobbing is. Is really tough for me.

[Hilary Duff]

I think it's one of those things that makes you stronger.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

You're like, I. Living in the city is hard.

[Matt Rogers]

So hard.

[Hilary Duff]

It is not for the faint.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it's not for the.

[Hilary Duff]

But it's gives you that.

[Bowen Yang]

It gives you that.

[Hilary Duff]

That grit that it grows you appreciation.

[Bowen Yang]

Kelsey Peters grew in the city.

[Hilary Duff]

She did.

[Bowen Yang]

She did.

[Hilary Duff]

Do you think that Kelsey Peters is like.

[Bowen Yang]

I think she works for Jennifer Bush Hager now.

[Hilary Duff]

Oh, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I think she's part of.

[Hilary Duff]

I'm loving this backstory. Let's create it now. Did you know that Jenna Bush was my camp counselor at Stop It Texas. Texas.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, she was your camp counselor. We love her.

[Hilary Duff]

Love her too.

[Matt Rogers]

She's literally 10 out of 10. A plus.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. She's awesome.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. I'm sending the texture.

[Hilary Duff]

Love her. We've. We've been on her show singing our camp song, which is so, so cute. So cute. She does do counselor for Jenna.

[Bowen Yang]

She's a. No, she does a worker.

[Matt Rogers]

She's a producer.

[Bowen Yang]

With. She's. She's at Jenna's imprint or something, or she helps. She helps with just publishing.

[Hilary Duff]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

She.

[Bowen Yang]

She's like head.

[Matt Rogers]

She books the open book podcast with Jenna Bush Hager. She is influential in the Read with Jenna selection. Okay.

[Hilary Duff]

I love this.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. That's what it was.

[Hilary Duff]

So Kelsey, for me, doesn't. I don't think there's a lot of, like, personal growth that's able to happen there.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, sure.

[Hilary Duff]

But, like, in the workforce, like, she's a beast. Cannot be stopped. She's going straight to the top. But the personal growth is a real tough thing for her.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

She's got a high pressure job.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, before we let you go, I'm told I can't. You can't leave without. Did you play a Russian? John Cusack directed a film.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And you played. What was the character you played?

[Hilary Duff]

She was a. Like a. I don't want to get this wrong. She was a Bulgarian pop star.

[Bowen Yang]

Huge range.

[Hilary Duff]

He didn't direct.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, did he write it?

[Hilary Duff]

He wrote it.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, cool.

[Hilary Duff]

He wrote it, starred in it. Yeah. There was a lot of people in that. Like, Sir Ben Kingsley was in that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. It was one of those things where it was like an all star.

[Hilary Duff]

Joan was in that

[Bowen Yang]

family.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. Yeah. And I had to put a scorpion down my pants in that movie.

[Bowen Yang]

Horrific.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. It was a big growing up moment.

[Hilary Duff]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

We're looking for something with edge. Scorpion down the pants.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. There's definitely parts of my career where I'm like, she was really trying for something and maybe she should have stayed home.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But look where we ended up.

[Bowen Yang]

Look where we ended up.

[Hilary Duff]

100%. I'm thrilled. The ride has been incredible here at

[Matt Rogers]

Lost Cult Today, Two nights at the

[Bowen Yang]

Garden, and the rest of the world Luck or something.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's so much more than that. It's. You're such a star in every single way. We're so happy that you came in. Like, we were just psyched for you.

[Hilary Duff]

Well, I was looking forward to this for months and months. Thank you for having me. You guys are an absolute dream.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you remember when we met at Vulture Fest? So do you remember?

[Bowen Yang]

I remember. No, we were so excited.

[Matt Rogers]

We were doing the interviews at Vulture Fest. When you guys came through for younger, we were wearing, like, matching. Matching suits. And you guys came in and you were the only celebrity that gave us

[Bowen Yang]

a hug the entire day. So thank you for that.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, I wonder if she'll ever remember that. That was us.

[Hilary Duff]

Wait, I was the only one that gave you A hug.

[Matt Rogers]

Everyone was nice. You were the only one who just gave us a hug. I mean, everyone was great.

[Bowen Yang]

And, like, Sutton was great. Everybody on the younger house was great. But was it all of us? I think it was.

[Matt Rogers]

It was. I think it was Nico. It was you. It was Sutton. We were so, like, excited.

[Hilary Duff]

Ollie, one of my besties.

[Matt Rogers]

Maybe Debbie Mazur was there as well. Yeah.

[Hilary Duff]

I just watched Beethoven with my kids. It was so fun. It was so, so, so fun. It was actually Matt's call, and he did all six of them. I was like, you're a better parent than me. Because after one and two, they are.

[Bowen Yang]

There's six of them.

[Matt Rogers]

They become sequels.

[Hilary Duff]

They're really, really good. But one and two, amazing. And Debbie steals every single scene. Like, she's such a badass.

[Matt Rogers]

She's a legend. She's the best.

[Hilary Duff]

Yeah. All right, well, love that you're such a younger Stan.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no, love. And also, it has a. I'm just saying, like, it's gotten lost in the press tour.

[Hilary Duff]

I know. And it needed a team, but it moment. Once it, like, got on Netflix, and then people, like, so many more people got eyes on it, so. Oh, yeah, she's doing all right.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, she's doing great. I bet you get to see your residuals checks now and be like, yes, it's on Netflix.

[Hilary Duff]

I don't think so, but really horrible with that.

[Bowen Yang]

Call your lawyer.

[Matt Rogers]

We love you. Thank you so much for coming and doing this.

[Hilary Duff]

Thank you so much for having me.

[Matt Rogers]

We end, and now you're gonna go do hot ones.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

We'll have to check in with you later. We end every episode with a song. I think we have to. We have to shout the classic let's go back. Back to the beginning.

[Hilary Duff]

Back to when the earth, the sun. I'm sick right now.

[Matt Rogers]

And for the rest of that, we'll see you at Madison Square Garden on August. One of those days, Hipping six.

[Hilary Duff]

Bye. Come for both.

[Bowen Yang]

Come for both. Las Colduristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts,

[Matt Rogers]

created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos, edited and

[Bowen Yang]

mixed by Doug Boehm.

[Matt Rogers]

And our music is by Henry Kabirsky. Oh, hear that?

[Hilary Duff]

That.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the Spam brand singing you a love song. Spam sizzle, pork and M. This is

[Hilary Duff]

an I heart podcast. Guaranteed human.