“Great Americans” (w/ Tina Fey) - Bowen’s Pick for Best of 2024

Summary

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang: Episode Summary – “Great Americans” Featuring Tina Fey

Released on January 1, 2025

Introduction

In the episode titled “Great Americans,” hosts Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang delve deep into the essence of American culture by engaging in a lively and insightful conversation with none other than Tina Fey. Produced by the Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts, this episode stands out as Bowen’s pick for the best of 2024, highlighting significant cultural moments and personal anecdotes that shape their identities as "Culturistas."

Setting the Stage: Celebrating SNL and IO Edebri

The episode begins with Bowen Yang reflecting on the timing of their recording:

Bowen Yang [00:00]: “For reasons that go without saying, this was recorded the day after IO Edebri's episode of SNL that she hosted.”
[Bowen sets the context, emphasizing the celebratory atmosphere akin to a Bellhouse night, surrounded by friends and honoring IO.

Welcome and Tina Fey’s Participation

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang express their excitement about having Tina Fey on the podcast, recognizing her pivotal role in shaping comedy in Chicago and New York. Tina Fey is portrayed as a "North Star" for the hosts, embodying authenticity and excellence in the cultural landscape.

Matt Rogers [01:29]: “Las culturistas calling back in. Back in tactile, tactile position.”
[Matt humorously reintroduces the show, signaling the transition into meaningful conversation.] Tina Fey [07:20]: “Hello, gentlemen.”
[Tina joins the conversation, greeted warmly by the hosts.] Bowen Yang [07:20]: “She really is the North Star for us.”
[Bowen underscores Tina’s influence and importance.] Tina Fey [07:20]: “Great Americans.”
[Reiterates the episode’s theme, setting the tone for the discussion.]

Cultural Reflections: Authenticity and Pop Culture

The conversation navigates through various cultural touchpoints, including theme parks, old television shows, and the enduring relevance of certain pop culture phenomena. Tina Fey shares her experiences and observations, providing a nostalgic yet critical perspective on how culture evolves.

Bowen Yang [00:00]: “Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. A lesson that I have learned over and over again this year.”
[Bowen introduces a central theme about the complexities of maintaining authenticity in modern culture.]

Mean Girls: Then and Now

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the iconic film Mean Girls and its upcoming musical adaptation, Mean Girls 2024. Tina Fey reminisces about the original movie’s impact and shares insights into its cultural significance.

Tina Fey [11:48]: “He's a great American.”
[Tina praises Sam, a tour guide at Disney, highlighting his embodiment of American culture.] Matt Rogers [10:12]: “We’re talking movie adaptations and universes, connecting to things like Mad Men and Real Housewives.”
[Matt connects the conversation to broader television and film narratives.] Tina Fey [33:43]: “I was thinking about my own fear of crucifixion, and it led me to my choice of topics.”
[Tina humorously segues into the "Rant and Rave" segment with a witty remark.]

Personal Stories and Anecdotes

Both hosts share personal stories that intertwine with cultural references, offering listeners a glimpse into their lives and the experiences that shape their perspectives.

Bowen Yang [25:20]: (Ad segment begins, which is skipped in the summary as per instructions.)
[Ad content is omitted to focus on substantive discussions.]

Further into the episode, Tina Fey discusses her time filming Mean Girls, the collaborative process, and the lasting legacy of the film. The hosts reflect on the challenges and triumphs of balancing multiple creative projects.

Tina Fey [46:53]: “I was doing the first draft the first summer and then the shooting draft.”
[Tina explains the iterative process of writing and producing Mean Girls.]

Navigating Fame and Authenticity

The episode delves into the pressures of fame, maintaining authenticity, and the delicate balance between personal expression and public perception. Tina Fey shares her experiences navigating the entertainment industry, emphasizing the importance of staying true to oneself amidst external expectations.

Matt Rogers [57:06]: “There's a lot of people who hold nothing against them, like Duncan Trussell who is shared across many platforms.”
[Matt discusses the challenges of public perception and managing personal and professional relationships.] Tina Fey [77:06]: “I feel like the difference is then when you see people on SNL, when you see someone like IO who understands the assignment…”
[Tina contrasts different approaches to performance and authenticity within the industry.]

Rant and Rave: Deodorant Dilemma

In the much-anticipated “Rant and Rave” segment, Matt Rogers takes a humorous jab at Bowen Yang’s lack of deodorant in his dressing room, blending comedy with a light-hearted critique of backstage essentials.

Matt Rogers [79:16]: “Do you want one? Well, he would be a great dog owner.”
[Matt humorously addresses the issue, highlighting the importance of basic amenities in high-pressure environments.] Bowen Yang [82:36]: “I did this when you were in town last season, where I would, like, do a show on Saturday… You have to rethink and restock your dressing room with the essentials.”
[Bowen responds in kind, keeping the segment playful and engaging.]

Closing Thoughts and Future Endeavors

As the episode winds down, the hosts and Tina Fey reflect on the enduring nature of cultural phenomena and the significance of supporting beloved media projects. They discuss upcoming shows, potential future collaborations, and the importance of maintaining cultural relevance.

Tina Fey [93:05]: “And you have nothing but opinions. Right. I have violent opinions about everything.”
[Tina emphasizes the value of having strong, informed opinions as cultural commentators.] Matt Rogers [94:51]: “We gave her like a. We gave her something. She's been recognized by this podcast.”
[Matt acknowledges contributions to the cultural conversation, celebrating mutual respect among peers.] Tina Fey [95:04]: “And actually, it's because it happens on the west coast…”
[Tina wraps up the conversation with final reflections on cultural engagement and community.]

Conclusion

The “Great Americans” episode of Las Culturistas offers a rich tapestry of cultural analysis, personal anecdotes, and humorous exchanges, all anchored by the insightful participation of Tina Fey. Through their dynamic conversation, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang explore the multifaceted nature of American culture, celebrating its heroes while critically examining its evolving landscape. Notable for its engaging structure and depth, this episode serves as a comprehensive guide for listeners seeking to understand the heartbeat of contemporary culture.

Notable Quotes

• Bowen Yang [00:00]: “Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. A lesson that I have learned over and over again this year.”
• Tina Fey [07:20]: “She really is the North Star for us.”
• Matt Rogers [84:16]: “We’re not going to be people who keep it real and have their podcast forever, or do movie stars.”
• Tina Fey [93:03]: “I was on set, we were finishing filming the Mean Girls movie in Middletown, New Jersey...”

This summary encapsulates the essence of the episode, highlighting key discussions and memorable moments, making it a valuable resource for both regular listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

[Bowen Yang]

Hello, it's Bowen. I, for my episode, had to choose Great Americans with Tina Fey for our year end roundup. For reasons that go without saying, this was recorded the day after IO Edebri's episode of SNL that she hosted. And that's context for what we talk about up top. In terms of that night feeling like a bellhouse night in terms of us being with all of our friends and celebrating each other and celebrating IO and then it was so nice to have the next day be a debrief with the one and only Tina Fey herself to hear her perspective on this. She's obviously someone we look up to and also someone who, you know, came up with her coterie of people in comedy in Chicago and New York. And of course, it all culminates in, gosh, the number one single greatest I don't think so honey of all time. Of course it's I don't think so honey. Bo Nang for sharing his real opinions on movies on this podcast. It all ends with that famous line, authenticity is dangerous and expensive. A lesson that I have learned over and over again this year. And as I'm sure you have as well, it's a pretty universal axiom at this point. It applies to all of us. But this was so much fun. We got to talk to theme parks, we got to talk old tv. And everything great about Tina and everything great about the culture. She really is the North Star for us. And it was so, so, so fun to have her on. She was so good on this episode that even Vanity Fair named her and I think so honey, as one of the best performances of 2024. We couldn't agree more. Here it is, Great Americans with Tina Fey. Look, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Where? Oh, I see my eye. Oh my. Look over there.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Is that the culture? Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Goodness. Ding dong.

[Matt Rogers]

Las culturistas calling back in. Back in tactile, tactile position.

[Bowen Yang]

Talk to us about the mozzarella stick numbers that you were working.

[Matt Rogers]

So I don't know why this was the answer to how I should end my night. But I get home, it's 3:30 in the morning, I get stoned and order mozzarella sticks bad, because I know I have to wake up at let to sort of mentally prepare and, you know, cleanse myself really physically prepare for the podcast today. And last night I'm ordering my mozzarella sticks and I see it says six mozzarella sticks. And in my mind that's not enough. And then this morning when everything sort of settles, you think you didn't need One.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the devil's math with mozzarella sticks. But I feel six.

[Matt Rogers]

Feels like nothing, right?

[Bowen Yang]

I think six is more than enough. Well, yeah, I order mozzarella sticks. This is the last time I ordered mozzarella sticks was at Alamo Drafthouse.

[Matt Rogers]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

Watching the boy.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the last time the Boy and.

[Bowen Yang]

The heron and I had to leave in the middle because of work call.

[Matt Rogers]

Of a work call. Is that what you call violent shit?

[Bowen Yang]

It was not. What.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause I know you. The second we both went in here today, we both ran to the bathroom. And I knew what that was for me. It was a mozzarella stick to work.

[Bowen Yang]

It was a work call. Okay, this is all to say I got six and I only finished four.

[Matt Rogers]

That's a huge brag and an insult to me. No, it was ravenous last night for them.

[Bowen Yang]

But last night was very celebratory.

[Matt Rogers]

It really was.

[Bowen Yang]

It's very nice. IO did great.

[Matt Rogers]

What an unbelievable performance she had.

[Bowen Yang]

Very, very fun.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, I think about between 12 and 15 people said this, and it just kind of kept getting kicked around. But this is like the bell house. This is like the bell house. But it really was. It felt like a celebration.

[Bowen Yang]

It was very nice.

[Matt Rogers]

We made it proud of her.

[Bowen Yang]

Now, what was your review of the Countess Cabaret?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm still. I still have the shakes. Not because. Not necessarily because of the talent, but she was great. The Countess Luann, as 54 below was. She certainly has star quality. But there's something that happens where she steps on stage and sort of everyone looks at each other and you go, we're getting blacked out. We're all drinking so much tonight.

[Bowen Yang]

I asked you, was it like going to the Disney World character breakfast?

[Matt Rogers]

It was not unlike that.

[Bowen Yang]

It was like seeing Goofy come out while you're eating a Mickey shaped pancake.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's say Minnie Mouse.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's be kind, Minnie.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's not say Goofy comes out. Okay?

[Bowen Yang]

No. Oh, no, no, no. That's not in.

[Matt Rogers]

He's gonna want you to say, that's.

[Bowen Yang]

Not what I was saying. Lou, if you're watching, if you're listening.

[Matt Rogers]

You'Re just saying Lou had the impact of Goofy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Not. Not anything to do with the air gets sucked out.

[Matt Rogers]

Right? 100%. Like when goofy walks in the room. It's like Nicole Kidman in the Chanel number five commercial by Baz Luhrmann. It's just like, you know, you know the commercial I'm talking about?

[Bowen Yang]

I think so.

[Matt Rogers]

Speaking of fragrances, I want you to smell me right here and tell me what it is.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, go.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what this is?

[Bowen Yang]

Byredo?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Axe. Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

So I have. Yesterday, I said to Bowen, I'm like, I have no deodorant in New York. I don't know what happened. My New York apartment has no deodorant. And my mother was like, I want to get you something for Christmas. I said, don't. I don't want anything. She goes, okay, I'll get you a bunch of little small things. Ten Axe deodorants, which is both a trigger to, like, high school locker room and also quite out of fashion.

[Bowen Yang]

That is, like, the timeless, enduring thing about suburban life is that you're never more than a half a mile away from Axe.

[Matt Rogers]

From an Axe body spray. Especially from Long Island. That's, like, a big culture. No Axe body spray.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And so I do. I am walking around, and it's sort of like little bit of heaven, a little bit of hell. I am a little triggered. But also, it's horny.

[Bowen Yang]

It's horny.

[Matt Rogers]

That's why I wanted you to smell me, to get you horned up for the episode.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of getting horned up.

[Matt Rogers]

Speaking of horny.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of horny. I think everyone's horny for. Well, first of all, Restless Leg tour. We're talking 11 days at the Beacon.

[Matt Rogers]

11 days at the Beacon.

[Bowen Yang]

11 nights at the Beacon.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I mean, yeah, my surprise. I'm like, well, of course.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, of course. And it's the Beacon. And so if you're in New York, I think they're all sold out, but kind of elbow your way in.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you gonna sign the wall?

[Tina Fey]

I hope so, yes. And I mean, obviously, if you guys want to come.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, well, I guess there's 11 days.

[Bowen Yang]

7Th through the 19th.

[Tina Fey]

19Th. Thank you for doing the math real quick.

[Bowen Yang]

I did the math. And 18th. 18th.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, wait. Now we have to officially bring her in, because that can't be the entrance.

[Bowen Yang]

Hold on, hold on. It was really quickly.

[Matt Rogers]

That's so weak.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, not weak. Girls 5 is coming back on Netflix.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. Thank fucking God. Because I had been wondering about that.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, it's coming.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh.

[Bowen Yang]

March is going to be a big month for humanity. And Mean Girls, the musical, of course the movie. Oh, we're not calling it the musical.

[Matt Rogers]

No, we're calling it Mean Girls 2024.

[Bowen Yang]

We're calling it Mean Girls.

[Matt Rogers]

Do about it. I said 10 times. I said, it's called mean girls 2024.

[Bowen Yang]

Mean girls. Eighth note in the negative space where the A is do you know what's funny?

[Matt Rogers]

This person created. And our favorite movie and our favorite show.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I'm not even talking about Saturday Night Live, which also is in the top two of favorite shows under 30 Rock.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, for sure.

[Matt Rogers]

Can you imagine? Just go back in time and tell us in 2016, when we started this, that's is going to be on the podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

Tina Fey is going to be on the podcast. And you know what I thought in the shower this morning? I thought.

[Matt Rogers]

What did you think in the shower where you do your best?

[Bowen Yang]

This is where this. I thought Worldwide pants took down all of the Tina Fey on Letterman interviews. And those were my fucking comfort watches in college.

[Matt Rogers]

Seth told you, though, that you could find it somewhere else?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I think Seth lied.

[Matt Rogers]

Liar.

[Tina Fey]

Why'd they take them down?

[Matt Rogers]

I think.

[Bowen Yang]

I think Letterman wants to protect his content. I don't know.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, I see.

[Bowen Yang]

I can't possibly begin to understand. And then also, I mean, so many things. You love her. You really love this person so much, don't you? I'm talking to you. The.

[Matt Rogers]

The royal you.

[Bowen Yang]

The royal you. Everyone, welcome.

[Matt Rogers]

Tina Bay.

[Tina Fey]

Hello, gentlemen.

[Matt Rogers]

Hello. And they applauded the crew. By the way. This episode is directed by Christopher Nolan. It's Oppenheimer, the film.

[Tina Fey]

It's crazy. A lady needs a lot of lights.

[Bowen Yang]

And the gentlemen need a lot of lights.

[Matt Rogers]

The gentlemen need a lot of lights. Blow out the Countess Lou from my face, please.

[Tina Fey]

Please.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you familiar with the Countess Lou?

[Tina Fey]

Yes, that is. That is the original sort of Real Housewives New York era. Yeah, that was my era. I once chased Countess Luann down the street on the Upper west side because I was so. I was like, she's on the Upper west side. Chased her in front of that restaurant west that used to be there. And I was like, I. And I basically was like. I was like, countess. And I was like, yeah, we. I work at NBC too.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm a Universal girl.

[Tina Fey]

And we also work for Universal.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, we brushed elbows at the up fronts. So wait, when you were watching Roni, were you sort of like, I'm Bethany. Like, I'm like, well, first of all.

[Tina Fey]

No, I'm not Bethany.

[Bowen Yang]

No way. No way.

[Tina Fey]

Thank you. No, I used to watch the season one. I used to really love, like, season one. You guys were probably in middle school because it was before. Nobody was aware. No one was, like, working the camera yet. Nobody was. And it was just really. I just wanted to see people's apartments.

[Matt Rogers]

I get it.

[Tina Fey]

I wanted to see their apartments and make judgments. And I didn't need them to be fighting about stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no.

[Tina Fey]

I just wanted. And so who was it was. Oh, you know, who I was obsessed with at that time was Alex McCord.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Oh, that was essentially had the show gone in a different direction, which was we just watched these people live their crazy lives and it wasn't like as conflict driven. She would have been a hero in the show.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I think because people gravitated towards.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, that's so funny though, because I. I think Architectural Digest home tours have like scratched the itch or like taken over that little fascination we have of like people's homes and like, that's fully been supplanted.

[Tina Fey]

And Zillow just be like, just go on Zillow and look in apartments 100%. But I remember when she was redoing her Brooklyn townhouse and Jill Zarin came over and she's like, we're restoring this banister. And she was like, honey, you don't have to save everything. That's not a good banister. Jill Zarin. Oh my God. Jill's incredible. Yeah. Who else was in that original Ramona.

[Matt Rogers]

I just recently picked? For some reason this was on. It was the fashion show episode where Ramona walked with those crazy eyes and Jill is just dragging and just like killing it in the front row. Comedically.

[Bowen Yang]

Comedically, Totally.

[Matt Rogers]

She was really on fire.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

They kind of by like their second season. So this was not the phenomenon back then either. But it wasn't this thing where like they saw themselves for the first time on TV and then they got the work done.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Just like facially, which happens to everyone.

[Tina Fey]

I mean, you see yourself on TV and you go, oh, no.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh yeah. Break down.

[Tina Fey]

Oh no. What are we going to do about this?

[Matt Rogers]

You're like, that's my face all the time.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

People see my face as that.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Speaking of Universal, do you have any thoughts about this epic universe announcement?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Because we know you're a Disney guy like us.

[Tina Fey]

Well, listen, I'm going to check it out.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

My instinct, my gut instinct is, oh, honey, it's snl. Mad tv.

[Matt Rogers]

Uh huh.

[Tina Fey]

That there's not the tastemaker at the core defines the thing. Right. And so Walt Disney is Lauren.

[Matt Rogers]

But I'll go, yeah, yeah, you're gonna be there, but I'll go.

[Bowen Yang]

And we all Love, we like MADtv.

[Tina Fey]

And there are amazing things that MAD TV and amazing hilarious people came out of MAD TV. But there just wasn't that unifying core taste.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, what if I told you this so one of the announcements, they said was that there's gonna be a Frankenstein ride. And the star of the pre show is Victoria Frankenstein, the great granddaughter of Dr. Victor Frankenstein.

[Tina Fey]

But is that the Diablo Cody movie that's coming?

[Bowen Yang]

Lisa Frankenstein? I conflated those last week.

[Tina Fey]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

A lot of Girl Bus Frankenstein's happening right now in the culture. We have to differentiate.

[Tina Fey]

Universal's trying to use that. I'm just saying the Universal monsters catalog in fun ways and I'm enjoying that.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

If you went in there and said, I'll play Dr. Victoria Frankenstein, you, first of all, you book immediately.

[Tina Fey]

17 shows a week. 17 nine minute shows a week.

[Matt Rogers]

Performing every day.

[Bowen Yang]

You wouldn't even do the pre show.

[Tina Fey]

You should I do a Q.

[Matt Rogers]

The queue.

[Bowen Yang]

That's what we mean, the queue.

[Tina Fey]

A queue. I mean, listen, am I heart of hearts? Am I holding out for a Disney Q? Of course. Did I at one point try to volunteer me and Amy Poehler to do Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton for the hall of Presidents? And they were like, we're good.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Tina Fey]

Well, I only volunteered it to my friend who's like the guy. I didn't call it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

To Sam. Oh, by the way, is a huge.

[Matt Rogers]

Part of our life now too.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, my God, that makes me so happy.

[Matt Rogers]

We went there. He loves you.

[Tina Fey]

I love him.

[Matt Rogers]

I know you can tell it's a special relationship.

[Tina Fey]

It really is.

[Matt Rogers]

The Disney relationship is a special relationship. And that's actually roller coaster number 88.

[Bowen Yang]

The Disney relationship is a special relationship. God bless Sam. Because Sam took us on guard into the galaxy cosmic rewind no less than.

[Tina Fey]

Seven times, which is not medically advisable.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you done it?

[Tina Fey]

Yes. It's beautiful. But I'm an age where, like, I can do it once. Also, you don't not see a lot of protein spills outside garden. And just for clarity. That is vomit.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I've become that girl that's like when the part of the ride that makes people nauseous comes up, I'm like, keep looking at the planet. Keep looking at the planet. Don't look to the side. You're gonna fuck yourself up. And people don't really listen.

[Tina Fey]

You have your strategies.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I have my strategies.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I knew this about all of us, that we shared this.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's why. That's why I bring it up.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's why. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, you've been on the Avatar Flight of Passage ride.

[Tina Fey]

Of course. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't you think that should Be him in the pre show.

[Tina Fey]

100%.

[Bowen Yang]

Just explaining what the banshees are.

[Matt Rogers]

You have the scientific gravitas to carry that pre show through.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't want us to fully raise a middle finger to that guy though.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not about him. This is about you. This is about what's best for you to be in that pre show. He did fine.

[Tina Fey]

The guy in that cute. And I don't know if this is a true story or a story that I made up for myself either way, but I feel like someone else was supposed to shoot that and then. And something went wrong and they were like, you have to do it.

[Matt Rogers]

You made that up.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I think you made that up.

[Tina Fey]

Here's who'll know. Sam.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, 100%. Isn't it great to have a resource?

[Tina Fey]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

The Disney relationship is a special relationship. You go to that person for information like this.

[Tina Fey]

Can I tell you a deep Disney nerdery thing 100% that if it interests you, I could try to get you in on this.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's do it.

[Tina Fey]

Okay. So have you ever done a voice at Pixar?

[Matt Rogers]

A voice at Pixar? No.

[Tina Fey]

That's an oversight that needs to happen.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, good.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Tina Fey]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's an oversight.

[Bowen Yang]

Famously you have.

[Tina Fey]

I got lucky enough to do one, you know, but so the guy, Pete Docter, who runs Pixar, super nice guy, legend, the kindest, loveliest man. And he invited me in on this super nerdy thing that sometimes they do where they have, I guess they used to do it in person, but during the pandemic they were doing it over zoom where they just have literally like someone found a case of like weird B roll building the park footage and they just play it like they haven't seen it. And it's just like from like 1971, we're building the Haunted Mansion and it's just like raw footage of nothing but like guys working. And then there's experts on who, like they're all these imagineers who are talking about what it is and then they just drink.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Tina Fey]

And it's amazing. And because it happens on the west coast, if you're watching it east coast, it's like starting. It's like two in the morning and you put your laptop in your bed.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Tina Fey]

But it's so cool.

[Matt Rogers]

That was my dream, like, until I found out it was mostly science and math and.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, actually there's a lot of engineering.

[Matt Rogers]

There's a lot of engineering.

[Tina Fey]

Otherwise the people fly off and then they die.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. 100%. We need to reconnect with Sam.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, Sam was lovely. Sam was really lovely.

[Matt Rogers]

Sam is a tour guide at Disney who is an icon and a legend. And this is a big shout out to him.

[Tina Fey]

He's a great American.

[Matt Rogers]

He's a great American.

[Bowen Yang]

Great American. And then he said he was coming to see you and Amy, was it.

[Tina Fey]

He came to dc. Dc he came the first weekend.

[Bowen Yang]

How have the shows been? What's that like?

[Tina Fey]

The shows are so fun. I do hope you'll come to the Beacon.

[Matt Rogers]

I want to come.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. Please come. Boen's like, I'm gonna be quiet.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm coming.

[Tina Fey]

We have the best time. It's the two of us. We take you on a little journey, if we can. And we always have, like, one special friend show up. And we go to these cities. People are so lovely to come see us. And then we stay at a nice hotel. And I've said this before, but it is like, we get up, like, the other night, I really did text Amy before a show. And I was like, right before we went out, she was on the other side of the stage, was like, I'm getting excited about going to sleep.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

Cause we do, like, we have so much fun. Like, I'm also learning. Like, I love the part where we do the show. And I was like, I guess some people go on tour. Cause they wanna party after the show or whatever, or they wanna hook up. And I was like, I like the part where we do the show. And sometimes if we have a new thing and it works, I'm like, that works. And then I go home and I wash my face and I, like, stand in silence facing a wall. Like, I'm like a little robot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You leave, like, you let yourself, like, charge.

[Tina Fey]

And I'm like, satisfied.

[Bowen Yang]

But I think this is just a function of, like, time. And I will say for Matt and I, it's exceptional if we go out after the show.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, even yesterday, like, we were in Bowen's dressing room and Bowen comes in, he's like, all right. So the after party. And we were all were like, at the same time. Like, we don't know. We don't know. It might be a quick drink.

[Bowen Yang]

They were hungover from Luann.

[Matt Rogers]

So hungover from Luanna.

[Bowen Yang]

But you guys look good.

[Tina Fey]

That's the difference. You still look really good.

[Bowen Yang]

I put on concealer because you put on concealer today. Because the camera. Because I'm inches away from people.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it. If I knew how to do my own concealer, I would do it. Is it as simple as dap dap dap kind of.

[Tina Fey]

I don't know. I tried my makeup today, and I probably will see this and be like, oh, it was like coming from a matinee of playing Mrs. Lovett. Did you see I'm always trying to use.

[Matt Rogers]

You did.

[Tina Fey]

I didn't get to. My husband went. I didn't get to see. I was touring. I try to use that rare beauty blush, which is great, but it's so pigmented that then I do it and I'm like, I'm either looking great or.

[Bowen Yang]

Just misses Love it. It's Baby Jane. It's better.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you been. Have you checked in on the new Feud?

[Tina Fey]

I haven't watched it yet, but I think I will. I don't watch every part of the Murphy verse. Murphy verse, but that one. I'm like, you might get me. I do feel. I was like, okay, the PR is over time because there's so many articles now about. I was like, are we. This is really what we're. This is top of top of mind in every paper. But it does seem interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

It is a lot of fun to watch just because of the, like, atmosphere of it all. I will say the entire story of it is just, well, you know, Truman Capote befriended these women, and then he wrote an article and they never spoke to him again. And that's literally it. So I'm kind of interested to see how it's going to be a whole limited series, because even in the first episode, you get it, like, they're not talking to him anymore.

[Bowen Yang]

Right, right.

[Matt Rogers]

But then I'm thinking, like, maybe every episode will be, like, a bottle Ish episode and be getting more into the specifics of who these women were, which is going to be great. I need more Calista, though. At this moment, I got three different.

[Bowen Yang]

Line reads of Demi Moore calling Tom Hollander a faggot. A venomous faggot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. She, with her whole chest, gets to say a slur. And it's really fun to watch her just let it rip. They really let Demi go for it. And she goes for it.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I loved it.

[Tina Fey]

Well, I do think that is, you know, that he is giving these actresses, like, he's making people's phones ring who. Maybe their phone wasn't ringing that much.

[Matt Rogers]

Molly Ringwald's, like, her phone rang off the hook for this.

[Tina Fey]

And you know what Molly Ringwald has been doing in the meantime?

[Bowen Yang]

Translating French books.

[Tina Fey]

Translating French books.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Lie with me. It's a really sad, gay French novel.

[Matt Rogers]

What?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

She's really smart.

[Bowen Yang]

She's very gay.

[Matt Rogers]

I believe that.

[Bowen Yang]

No, she's incredible. Yeah, she's a very. She's a great American.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, one of my obsessions at this moment is Chloe Sevigny, now that this has all been happening. And apparently Chloe simply broke down on the day where she had to shoot with Molly Ringwald, because that was how much she meant to her.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I didn't know that.

[Tina Fey]

That's, uh.

[Matt Rogers]

Huh.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's so sweet. Like.

[Matt Rogers]

And Chloe, who's like the coolest, like you would imagine, is like, very unbothered about the whole thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Actually in interviews, like, I watched her on Jimmy the other night, and she's very like. Like, y'all. You know what I mean? She's like, like everybody.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

She's like, I cry, cry. I break down to Molly Ringwald, just like you, me, and everyone else.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that's the shared, I guess, American experience.

[Tina Fey]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm kind of tying this back to a national sort of narrative.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, she also was like, they did this thing. Cause, like, you know, she's obviously a fashion icon, Chloe. And they were like, looking back at all of her, like, iconic looks because she was like, that girl. She had nothing nice to say about anything she ever wore. She's like, oh, this? No. This? No. This? No. And I was like, maybe that's what makes her such an icon, but she.

[Tina Fey]

Also needs to keep looking.

[Bowen Yang]

Exactly.

[Tina Fey]

She didn't just find a uniform and stick with it. She was like, never satisfied.

[Bowen Yang]

Never have we found our uniforms.

[Matt Rogers]

This is your uniform.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure. Okay. This is a cream collared, long sleeved collar.

[Matt Rogers]

Like a strong basic.

[Tina Fey]

Is it a knit? Is it a sweat? Is it a.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a sweat. It's a. It's like a.

[Tina Fey]

It's a sweatshirt.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a sweatshirt.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's good.

[Bowen Yang]

So, but that's. I don't know if this is the uniform, though. It's the glasses. It's the.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, yeah, that's it. You've changed your glasses, though, in the last year.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah. Yesterday I had my contacts in for the show, and then they had to audition different pairs of glasses for the sketch. And then one of them had an actual prescription in them. And I was like, oh, this one has a prescription in them. And then my dresser, Audrey was like, laughing and she was like, Keenan earlier had the same thing happen to him, and he said, there's medicine in these.

[Tina Fey]

There's medicine.

[Bowen Yang]

There's medicine.

[Matt Rogers]

There's medicine in these glasses.

[Bowen Yang]

By the way, Kenan Thompson. And I'm not. And this is perfect. But this is truly like an apropos thing for me this week where he was up till 4am with us shooting the sketch, just rallying everybody, keeping the morale up, like getting everybody out of the 4am overnight shoot. Like doldrums or whatever.

[Matt Rogers]

Team Captain vibes.

[Bowen Yang]

What a treasure.

[Tina Fey]

And again, as we continue to make the list of great Americans, who do we have so far? We have Sam Loomis. Kenan, who was somebody in between 2017. Molly Raymond.

[Matt Rogers]

Molly Raymond. Sorry, Chloe.

[Tina Fey]

I mean, you're a great New Yorker. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Amazing New Yorker.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. Top 20. Top 20 New Yorkers.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. Up there with Hamilton.

[Bowen Yang]

Up there with Hamilton. And do you have any thoughts about what she has said, I guess in a Rolling Stone thing, about how New York is all Lululemon and dogs. Too many dogs. But as a recent dog owner.

[Tina Fey]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you make of this, like. And as someone who's been in New York for a minute.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. Are there too many dogs, too?

[Bowen Yang]

I haven't noticed anything.

[Tina Fey]

There's a lot of dogs. I mean, I don't go to, like, the dog park and that kind of stuff. I have people that do that. My dogs poop inside every single day.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, really?

[Tina Fey]

Oh, they're a mess.

[Bowen Yang]

Consistent places.

[Tina Fey]

Sometimes I'm like, guys, I'm the Queen of Versailles. I can't have this.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Tina Fey]

And the dogs are like, we haven't watched that.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

Have you watched the series Queen of Versailles?

[Tina Fey]

No. Someone just told me about this. I will watch it. I did recently rewatch the original.

[Bowen Yang]

Excellent movie.

[Tina Fey]

Fascinating. Incredible.

[Bowen Yang]

The series is a little bit of a cheapened version, I'll say. I'll say that on the record.

[Tina Fey]

But because, like, all documentaries, not all, but a lot of great documentaries, it's. They started thinking it was going to be about one thing and then it changes. That usually is exciting.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Was that like, the most famous example of that is probably the Jinx, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Is the Jinx.

[Tina Fey]

The Jinx. And also capturing the Freedmans.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Which. Have you ever seen that?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think I've ever seen it.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, yeah. Well, first of all, because it's supposed to be about this guy who's a party clown, and then it turns out that he has this dark family history and they follow that. But, you know that silly Billy the Party clown used to play the SNL holiday party up on 17. He would come and do, like, party clown stuff, like when I was a writer, when, like, Norm MacDonald's son would be there, that era. So I Saw the doc and I was like, that's. Oh, my God, that's silly Billy. Oh, no, Silly Billy's family are.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, now we know.

[Tina Fey]

So no, did the party. He was not.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you mean he did the party?

[Tina Fey]

There used to be a little. You know what it was they would have when the tree lighting was happening.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, yes, yes.

[Tina Fey]

They'd have bagels and stuff. And people would bring their kids. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, they would bring your kids too.

[Tina Fey]

Some people would bring. You know why? Cuz Lauren's kids were little. That's why.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's why there have been no children about. It's just the bagels and it's like the meeting's happening. Like, your sketch might get picked, it might not. It's like there's a lot of weird tension, but then the lighting is always a beautiful moment.

[Tina Fey]

It's a nice moment. But we were talking. You asked about New York and does New York have too many dogs? Probably. Does it have too much Lululemon? I mean, it's a mix in my neighborhood, it's a mix of like, there's a Lululemon and then everything else is vacant.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I guess I'm in LA most of the time where it's just all dogs. And so I just kind of accepted that me not having one is. I'm wrong and I should get one. I also, like, now I'm starting to feel a little guilty that I don't have one. Do you remember when I hosted that dog grooming competition? I hosted a dog grooming competition show called Hot Dog H A U T. Excellent. And there was a day, there was a day where it was like rescue dog day. And they made me hold one of these dogs and give a direct to camera, like, don't you want to save a life? Like, how would you feel to know that you could have saved a life? You didn't. And then I like handed the dog back and was like, okay, see you guys later. And then I felt bad. It was like, we need to help.

[Bowen Yang]

We need to help.

[Tina Fey]

The message. That was the help.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You did.

[Tina Fey]

The PSA was the help.

[Matt Rogers]

I did my thing. I can be fun on gold too. These dogs, actual children.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm ready for parenthood with the dogs, though.

[Tina Fey]

With the dogs.

[Matt Rogers]

You want one? Well, he would be a great dog owner.

[Bowen Yang]

Do it with cuz does.

[Tina Fey]

No one brings their dog to snl.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, people bring their dogs to snl.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like that would be. That, that would be a bridge too far. Oh, there's.

[Bowen Yang]

There's a couple People, but it's fine.

[Tina Fey]

Like they, they stay in the dressing room.

[Bowen Yang]

They stay in the dressing room or sometimes they'll bring them out. It's okay.

[Tina Fey]

That's a different world.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a different. Yeah, I would, would never have flown.

[Tina Fey]

No, no, no, I don't think so.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah. Right now I think post pandemic, we're all like, we've had a rough couple years.

[Tina Fey]

Let everyone have what they need.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's make sure everyone's fine. Which I culturally must feel wild. I remember this just comes with starting out there. No matter who you are, no matter what job it is, if you start out there, it is always hard and it is always a cultural adjustment. But I just remember a time like pre pandemic where I was just like, oh, I was terrified every day. Every day I was shaking just to be there. Just to be there. And yeah, I would have never thought to.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, I went there. I was 97 when I went there. And I mean, I see with clarity now, like the 90s were so rough. Like rough, rough, rough in what sense?

[Matt Rogers]

What do you mean?

[Tina Fey]

Like kindness was not in fashion.

[Matt Rogers]

No. And it would get worse from there.

[Tina Fey]

And no, mental health was like, what?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

What is that?

[Tina Fey]

What are you talking about? And that's why everyone ended up with some form of like temporary kind of OCD and pt. But even just when you look back at, you just look back at like 90s letterman interviews.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, totally.

[Tina Fey]

And you're like, oh my gosh, she's just like haranguing a teenager.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

[Tina Fey]

And we were like, ha ha ha.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Got her.

[Tina Fey]

That dumb slut. He got her.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly.

[Tina Fey]

That was the culture that 55 year old man told that dumb teenager.

[Matt Rogers]

Paris Hilton will never be the same after that.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, but like the Paris Hilton thing, I still, I mean it's rough. Like I don't like celebrate that interview necessarily. Yeah, it is incredible. And it's Letterman. Be the most Letterman and the best. Not the best way, but in a way that you're like, it's Letterman. And then I've talked about this before. It was the thing that like Anna Dresden and I watched and we're like, so I guess the iceberg should be like, I want to talk about this thing and not talk about this other thing. You know what I mean? Modeled it after that interview specifically.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh really?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, like we watched that. We were like, okay, so like, I.

[Tina Fey]

Just want to talk about.

[Bowen Yang]

I just want to talk about my other thing. Yeah, but it was like that was the 90s too. It was like really fucking.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Making you squirm a bit.

[Tina Fey]

And there's just for so many things, even people like have you seen that again, these are all people that I, you know, hold nothing against them. Like no, but like there's some old Conan clip where the lady from Melrose Place, Heather Locklear. No, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh gosh, someone else.

[Tina Fey]

The other blonde lady.

[Bowen Yang]

Becca.

[Tina Fey]

Courtney Thorne Thorne Smith. Thank you so much. First of all, thanks for bringing that out. I believe it's Courtney Thorne Smith and I, I forget maybe it's like I don't know if it's Courtney Thornton Conan one side and Norm on the other side or something and they're just like doing a bit like some kind of bit that she looks really hot or whatever and she's just trying to tell her story from whatever it is, the pre interview of like a funny thing that happened to her and it's like two maniacs on either side of her and you're just like oh yeah, that we're not doing that anymore 100%. But at the time it was like hahaha.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And those are like Conan is a lovely, kind, involved, intelligent person. We all were. I should probably try to think of a story that I tell on myself instead of like there were like we were just hard, we were hard people.

[Matt Rogers]

Well we had Seth Meyers on the show like probably about a month ago and he was saying that like the best time like that he felt like the winning season was probably like 2008, 2009. Like obviously when you, when he went back, Sarah returned. Do you feel that way too?

[Tina Fey]

Well I feel like that was a crazy good time and Seth was head writer and was doing a great job and the world wasn't as dark and yeah, for me I felt like that was my like prayer for Owen Meaney moment where I was like was I born to look like this lady? I guess so.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

But now it all seems so gentle.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was there. I remember I was, I was literally there. I remember one of the coolest ones was it was the I guess Weekend Update Tuesday or Wednesday.

[Tina Fey]

Oh yeah, they do specials, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, the Thursday thing, they would add those things. And I was at the time like a standby person. Like I would wait all the time and so someone at the line like was like yeah, they actually, they give us tickets to the Thursday thing. So here's you go. And it was you will frell. And I guess Daryl Hammond, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Like doing, doing.

[Tina Fey]

And he was doing bush and stuff.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Tina Fey]

I think I remember that was the one that my parents were like. That was a little too far. They were. Because they're Republican.

[Bowen Yang]

Right, right, right.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, oh, oh. That was a little too far.

[Tina Fey]

I forget what, I don't remember what the jokes were.

[Bowen Yang]

Ah, right.

[Tina Fey]

They were on board, told that and then they got back on board. It wasn't a rift.

[Matt Rogers]

They forget.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally foreign.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

This is. I don't think I've this is personally important to me and I will never forget this, but I matriculated to nyu, lived with my sister, was not in student housing and so I was very socially anxious about meeting new people. And I had researched the improv group at NYU in April of senior year of high school and I'm reaching out to the Facebook page throwback and I message the Facebook page, when do you guys hold auditions? Does it work against me if I'm not in Tisch? If I'm Just a science major.

[Matt Rogers]

Does it work against me?

[Bowen Yang]

Does it work against me? So I know. And then person who answered me was Anna Dresden. Yeah. She's like, hey. So funny. But just, like, cosmically, there was something about that. And then she was like, don't worry. Good luck with your mini fridge rentals. Like, bye.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And then auditioned for the improv group, made it to the final round. And then I was like, I really hope I get this. Got the email from Anna Dresden saying, we're so sorry.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, fuck.

[Bowen Yang]

We were floored by everybody. Please start your own groups. We shouldn't be the only game in town. Blah, blah, blah. A game in town being nyu, the only improv group at nyu. I was like, okay, licking my wounds. My sister had gone out. I had the apartment to myself. It was Saturday. Michael Phelps episode of snl. Tina Neymar were just going on as Hillary and Sarah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

I get the call during the Cold Open, live from Anna being like, we made a mistake. We talked about it. Just kidding. We're taking on two people and you. And, like, you're in the group. And then it was like this crazy shift.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, something like the culture decided to be good.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no.

[Matt Rogers]

It was just. It's like, it's gonna be a good time.

[Bowen Yang]

The trajectory was, like, perturbed in, like, the best way for me possible. But, like, you were like. The fact.

[Tina Fey]

I caused it.

[Bowen Yang]

You caused it. And no matter what you were like.

[Tina Fey]

And Amy didn't. It was you and Amy.

[Matt Rogers]

It was you.

[Bowen Yang]

It was you. But anyway, that's what I like, will always fondly remember. Not that you.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, that's a great memory. That's a great memory.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, but is this the thing then, like, starting at SNL when you did or coming back, whatever the after party culture is at any given time, is that informing what you and Amy do after the show where you're like, let's just go to bed.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, no. I mean, we used to. I mean, when we were at snl, we used to go out until I had my first child. And then I would sometimes begrudgingly go out and be like, you have to sit with Lauren.

[Bowen Yang]

I'd be like, okay, yeah, I'm at that stage, but I'm childless. I'm a childless bisexual.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, but we used to go. But I never was an after after that was always. I'm like, yeah, I can't imagine what.

[Matt Rogers]

That would even be.

[Tina Fey]

No, I remember. I feel like one time Tracy Morgan had, like. He did, like, an illegal private casino somewhere. That Dratch Went to. And like, the next day I was like, it was insane. Like, she's.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course. I mean, of course it's insane.

[Matt Rogers]

But speaking of all this culture, so that we're talking about, in many ways, culture that made us say culture was for us. But we have to ask you this question. And it is, of course, a difficult question that is really open to interpretation, but Tina Fey, what was the culture that made you say culture is for me?

[Tina Fey]

Okay. I've been thinking about this question. I struggle to understand it, but I think I'm going to try to frame it. Like, have you ever done those? I am from Poland. Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

So if we frame it that way. I'm also much older than you guys. And so I'm really going back. I may say things that mean nothing to you. Right?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. You try us.

[Tina Fey]

Like, I am from watching Benny Hill as a family.

[Matt Rogers]

Good for you. Yes, yes, yes.

[Tina Fey]

What? Watching a weird old man ogle women bikinis. Being like, this is formative.

[Matt Rogers]

As a family.

[Tina Fey]

As a family. Like, it's on pbs, guys. It's watching. I am from. You know, a time when it just our whole life was, you go to Blockbuster, you rent the stepfather, you rent the now incredibly problematic sleepaway camp. One or two. That's like. And you watch it with your, you know, gay friends, who, again, if you want to talk about how hard it is, like, cackling at, like, knowing, like, it's horrible. Like, yeah. Or like, it's me and my best friend Marlene going to Pretty Woman when it first came out. And immediately cackling, being like, we're the only ones that know that she's a scene sex worker. And this is grim, right? That, like, okay, this week it's Richard Gere, but every other week it's terrible. You know, cackling. What else? I mean, Real World New York Season one. I. Guys, I remember getting up early with my brother to see the beginning of mtv. Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

The first video, like, downtown Julie Brown vibes.

[Tina Fey]

Like, like, video killed the radio.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, wow.

[Tina Fey]

Getting up to see Live Aid.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And being so pumped that it was partly in Philadelphia and being.

[Bowen Yang]

Wait, it was you guys.

[Tina Fey]

Like, Phil Collins is on the Concord. You guys see Phil Collins is on the Concord.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. It was. For whatever reason. Cause the quality of the venue, it was in wherever it was in Wembley, I guess it was Wembley and, like, Veterans Stadium in Philadelphia or something. Must have been the vet.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm silly and stupid. And I thought it was just in the uk.

[Tina Fey]

No. And that was the big thing was they were Like, Phil Collins is gonna play with this band and then get on the Concord and play again. What else has formed who I am? You know, Sheila E. The Glamorous Life.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Thanks for that. You know, Kelly Clarkson just brought her back. Sheila E's on Kelly Clarkson's album and I feel like no one talked about it. Yeah, she's on the last track and she's tearing it up.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. Like, she's E. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

We gave her a special culture award. Sheila E. We did. We did. We gave her.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

That's right.

[Matt Rogers]

We gave her like a. We gave her something. She's been recognized by this podcast.

[Tina Fey]

Good. I'm glad.

[Matt Rogers]

As she must.

[Tina Fey]

What else can I give you? You know, the Divinals, I Touch Myself the Divine. That was like. Or like me trying to have to no success. Trying to convince people that our junior prom theme should be There Must be an angel by Eurythmic.

[Bowen Yang]

Nobody was a theme is their best.

[Tina Fey]

I was like just gonna keep writing these papers and putting it in the box.

[Matt Rogers]

What was it ultimately? Under the Sea.

[Tina Fey]

They needed to get well. It was like Bryan Adams heaven.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, okay.

[Tina Fey]

And then I think maybe senior year was maybe like, this is the time. Billy Joel, which was the time. New song.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I love that.

[Bowen Yang]

But this is the thing where I go, how would I have done? How would any of us do in like a bygone time?

[Tina Fey]

You would love it.

[Matt Rogers]

The blockbuster of it all really resonates because it's also about going to blockbuster and only ever renting two things.

[Tina Fey]

Renting two things over and over, over.

[Matt Rogers]

And over, over and over.

[Tina Fey]

Watching another one was like arachnophobia was a big one. I feel like there's a Martin Sheen one that I can't think of that was like a horror movie. Maybe. That's right. And like also with my two good friends Jim and Damian, who are brothers, who between the two of them are the amalgam that are the basis for.

[Matt Rogers]

The character of Damien.

[Tina Fey]

And in their house, they had a back staircase that had been closed off and made into a pantry that was full of every kind of junk food.

[Matt Rogers]

Those are the days.

[Tina Fey]

And get after it. And also just like get after.

[Bowen Yang]

Get after it.

[Tina Fey]

Like it was the 80s. Like, no one did fitness or your outfit was like a high collar thing with a blazer. Like, it was just like the drink soda.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you drink a lot of soda?

[Tina Fey]

Drank so much soda. Would eat like a cheese hoagie. So like a 12 inch hoagie with three kinds of cheese.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And then still able to Poop.

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. The body hadn't yet betrayed.

[Tina Fey]

And just. I'm trying to think culturally, too. It was like VC Andrews, Flowers in the Attic.

[Bowen Yang]

Flowers in the attic.

[Tina Fey]

Reading those on, like, the beach at the Jersey Shore or, like, on the trolley to work. Other weird things that I don't realize are, like, I was obsessed with Paul Young.

[Matt Rogers]

Paul Young.

[Tina Fey]

That was like, every time you go away.

[Matt Rogers]

Originally, you liked, like, boy music.

[Tina Fey]

Well, he was super cute.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, okay.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. And like, SCTV used to be on after SNL three weekends a month. And then the fourth weekend, it was wrestling, and he'd be like, who did.

[Matt Rogers]

You imprint on on sctv? Was it Catherine?

[Tina Fey]

Oh, my gosh.

[Bowen Yang]

Or Andrea Martin?

[Tina Fey]

Andrea and Catherine. Yeah, for sure. Andrea gives me so aspirational.

[Matt Rogers]

The frisson, as you say. Did I use that right?

[Bowen Yang]

You used that right. You absolutely used frisson. Right? Frisson is frisson. Frisson is the word of 2024.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like, we need Molly Ringwald here to translate.

[Bowen Yang]

It's just like a feeling of, like, something in the air, the euphoria, like.

[Matt Rogers]

When something is like, oh, I have the frisson thinking about this. When we mentioned Sam.

[Bowen Yang]

It's the tame.

[Matt Rogers]

I got the frisson thinking about Sam getting us on Guardians of the Galaxy Cosmic Rewind.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a beautiful ride. I think that the boy music thing is, like. That is also a thing. Like the men of the 80s and 90s. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You were allowed to be.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but, like, there was something. I'm gonna say, like, set aside, like, ogling and stuff, but, like, the men of that time. Hot. I sound insane for saying this.

[Matt Rogers]

You don't.

[Bowen Yang]

You could look up to men in a way that was, like, fine.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You could look up to men and be like, I'm okay.

[Tina Fey]

I weren't worried about what they were up to, maybe as much. But it's not even that.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I think they were good Americans.

[Tina Fey]

Good Americans. That's gonna be the name of this.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the name of this episode. No, literally, good Americans at Tina Fey.

[Tina Fey]

But we also. I mean, we also were like Janet Jackson, Madonna. Go Go's. Like, that's a long. Eurythmics. I remember also remember when Eurythmics came out? Like, when the first sweet dreams came out and we were like. People were scared of them.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

It was dark, different.

[Tina Fey]

Like, she had that short hair and she was wearing a suit, and everyone was like, what's happening?

[Matt Rogers]

She was haunted pop. And even when she did, like, diva and, like, did do her own thing, like, it was still, there was something sinister about it in a way that I love.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Just gender bendy.

[Matt Rogers]

Or the song why by Annie Lennox. I want that. As I'm lowered into the ground, I.

[Tina Fey]

Think, remember that I do say revisit. There must be an angel.

[Matt Rogers]

It's beautiful.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And also, I mean, walking on broken glass, like, there's a reason for it. Someone's gonna sample that song and it's gonna be just the piano.

[Tina Fey]

Stranger Things or something.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, 100%. Yeah. Like. Like that song taking off the Kate Bush of it all.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm happy for the rediscovery as a couple.

[Tina Fey]

You guys talked about this, that that's the year of the. The needle drop.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Yes, 100%. Did you watch the Bear?

[Tina Fey]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Tina Fey]

I have seen some of them, but not all of them.

[Matt Rogers]

Probably one of the most famous needle drops of this year is Taylor Swift Love Story on the Bear.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, they did that.

[Matt Rogers]

They did that. And to get the Taylor Swift song must have cost a lot of money. So thankfully, it paid off. On the Bear. The Bear. You're doing excellent.

[Tina Fey]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You guys are crushing it out there.

[Tina Fey]

They really are.

[Matt Rogers]

They really are. It's so wild to see her, like, slay drama like this.

[Bowen Yang]

I am. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

I know. I have to go back and get into it so I can see where her character arc went, because I know she's so good.

[Matt Rogers]

And I think it was like, I always, like, of course, coming up with her. Like, we always knew she was so talented. But then I was watching Bottoms. Did you see Bottoms? Yes, I was watching her on screen. There's a scene where the camera gets way up in her face, and I think she's having a moment with her love interest. And I'm like, you got it, girl.

[Tina Fey]

Like, she got it big time.

[Matt Rogers]

Big time.

[Bowen Yang]

We were in the edit yesterday for this pre tape. Every take, I was like, oh, IO knows. She knows where to find the can, whatever, the camera. But, like. And then it would cut to me and he'd be like, what am I doing?

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no, Bowen, you know what to do with the camera.

[Bowen Yang]

Do we all have this. Do we all have this thing where it's this. There is some dysmorphia. That might not be the right word. But it's like, I think it's getting worse and worse for me in terms of watching myself.

[Tina Fey]

I've reached a point where I don't do it unless it's something that I'm in charge of. And it's like, I have to edit it. I'm like, oh, I'm gonna make this movie. And I have an idea. I'm never gonna watch it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I got it.

[Tina Fey]

And that's like freeing.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You know, when it came out about the Four Seasons, the gay group chats were popping.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Tina Fey]

Of course.

[Matt Rogers]

That's really exciting.

[Tina Fey]

I'm excited about that too.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. This is gonna be good.

[Tina Fey]

I hope so.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a good link up again with. With Tracy and with.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, with Tracy and Lang. The best. Tracy. Tracy Wakefield and Langfish.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah. That's gonna be.

[Tina Fey]

The funny writers.

[Matt Rogers]

The gays that remembered the movie were like, like they were very, very.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, that's great.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no. Yeah, they're lining up already. I can't get over that. My two movies from Blockbuster were the first wives Club and GoldenEye.

[Tina Fey]

That's.

[Matt Rogers]

That was my personality.

[Tina Fey]

That's where it started.

[Matt Rogers]

Like First Wives Club here.

[Tina Fey]

That makes sense.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. First Wives Club, though. You watch it now and you're like, it's so a movie of the 90s where it's just like, it takes a bit to get into being a movie and then it is. You know what I mean? But I kind of missed the days where it was just like, no, the first half hour is just gonna be a lot of relationship building.

[Tina Fey]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Like a lot.

[Bowen Yang]

But is it any first act stuff that actually ever pays off in the end? No. Right. That felt like a 90s thing where it was like, you just.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's all worth it to watch them at the end sing you don't own me. And I can't remember anything else about the movie besides that. And you know, else you forget is in that movie. Kind of crushing. It is sjp.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. She's great in that movie.

[Matt Rogers]

So good.

[Tina Fey]

She's great in that movie. She's great in LA Story.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. She's great in Ed Wood.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, I think I've seen Ed Wood.

[Matt Rogers]

This is.

[Tina Fey]

Wait a minute. Ed Wood is so great.

[Matt Rogers]

That's a really good one.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. I've got two weeks off.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, I'm not doing that.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow, you do have two weeks off.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm so excited. I'm not going anywhere. I'm going to the Beacon.

[Tina Fey]

I was gonna say except the Beacon.

[Bowen Yang]

Except the Beacon.

[Matt Rogers]

So wait, when you would have a vacation from SNL back in the day, would you go or would you just sit? Would you bedrot?

[Tina Fey]

I think I mostly just sat. I feel like people at SNL do much better sort of self care and living their lives. But I think in the beginning, my now Husband was still in Chicago. So sometimes I would go back to Chicago for the week or whatever, but. But no, I didn't. I never took one real vacation.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

I'm just still learning how to do that. I'm like, all right, you book a trip and then you go there.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, right. Exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

I've never developed. I don't think. I think my time is up. Like, I think if I haven't learned by now to, like, book a vacation on the two weeks off, I don't think I ever will. For my remaining time there, I'm just like. I don't have that thing of, like, that admin thing of, like, let me book an Airbnb or something. So I think it's. I think there's something about working there that, like, makes you want to stay put because you're just, like, moving around a lot or something.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. You need to recover. Yeah. I thought of going to the airport. Doesn't seem good after that.

[Matt Rogers]

No, never, ever.

[Bowen Yang]

I literally did this when you were in town last season, where I would, like, do a show on Saturday. My flight was at 8am after daylight savings, after the spring clock jumped forward, so I lost an hour and then went to the airport to go to London to then shoot. And I was just like, this is actually. This is cte. There's a part of my brain that's leaving.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And so I don't know.

[Tina Fey]

I think, oh, my God. That sketch last night when I was like. And when the wind blows. I can feel my memory. Who wrote that?

[Bowen Yang]

Shout out to Asha Ward.

[Tina Fey]

Hilarious.

[Bowen Yang]

She's this. She's a new young writer. She co wrote this elevator sketch with us as well.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, that was great, too.

[Bowen Yang]

She is so damn funny. And, yeah. No, she said that line to us on Tuesday night when she was pitching it when she was, like, kind of, like, going around with the idea. She's like, yeah, it's based off this People's Court, this actual People's Court episode, where it was the plaintiff did have, like, the haircut, was that her scalp was showing. Obviously not her actual brain. But then Asha's like, I think we're gonna make it her brain. And the sketch. I was like, that's amazing. And then Asha goes, yeah. And I think I want her to say, when the wind blows, I can feel my memories, like, being blown away. And I threw my head back. I was like, you have to put that in.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, you must.

[Bowen Yang]

You must.

[Matt Rogers]

I did want to ask. So, like, when you're at SNL and also you're at the same time writing Mean Girls. Like, I guess what I'm wondering is, how long did it take you to do that? Because I remember literally at the time, reading interviews with you where you were like, I just wanted to see if I could do it.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And then you so obviously could. But, like, what was that process of, like, juggling that. Cause that seemed like a lot of work all the time.

[Tina Fey]

I am trying to remember. I know I did a bunch of it in the summer. I feel like maybe it was over two summers. Cause it was the first time we rented a house in Fire island on. We both love Fire Island.

[Bowen Yang]

We both love it.

[Tina Fey]

We all love Fire Island. On a. Gasteyer had recommended just doing that. And we went and we trash picked a desk and we carried it. And I remember Jeff's arms got like a huge. Cause you never. It's not Fire island if you don't get a weird rash.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no, no.

[Tina Fey]

And he, like, immediately got a rash. And I was like, oh, I think there was deer pee all over the desk or something. And so the. I must have been doing first draft the first summer and then the shooting. I remember the second summer was the shooting draft. Cause I would get Mark Waters, the director. I would get pages of notes every single day. And I'd be like, I think I did it. And then be like, okay, let's go through today again. He's like, page four. And I'd be like. But he was right. It was stuff of like, where are they? This. That could this be short? It was, like, a lot of technical stuff. And there was an amazing woman named Jill Messick who worked for Lauren at the time, who. She also was just, like, poking me. Okay. Like, a lot of drafts in between unofficial drafts. So I don't think I was doing it. I must have been doing it on weeks off. I don't think. I don't have a memory of doing it. Trying to do it at the same time as the actual show, only because.

[Matt Rogers]

And obviously the movie is so perfect. It's just everything. It's one of those things that just falls into place in every way. I remember we were saying it was one of those movies where you sat down and watched it. And I knew I was going to and had to remember every line was happening. I saw it with my cousin, and I was just like, this is a really special thing. And then going to school, I remember, like, I was like, all the track girls. I used to run winter. This is a specific. But I would run track and I would practice with all the girls. Because we would just talk about things like this.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And everyone knew it. All the lines.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And it was so funny because I watched my one friend, sort of. I could tell she wanted to be like Regina George in a way where she didn't really get it. I was like, you don't want to be actually mean, like. But the way she started speaking and, like, it truly took over. I remember it was that and Anchorman, where it was like. And I remember as a gay kid, too, I learned the language of mean girls because that was what all the girls were doing, and then Anchorman was what all the boys were doing. And so it was sort of this, like, code switch.

[Tina Fey]

Code switch.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And I remember taking my dad to see it, and, like, he was so excited because it was coming from you. And I remember it was just like, this, like, moment that felt like a unifier, like, in high school, because everyone thought it was funny. Everyone thought the cast was amazing. And I really wanted to ask about Rachel McAdams, because this is essentially as a Rachel McAdams stand podcast.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

We could just talk about her and no one else.

[Tina Fey]

And we should. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But, like, I was reading an interview with you recently where you were, like. You mentioned, like, watching her act, like, changed the way that you approached it.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. Because I had never been in a movie before, and I didn't know what I would go and to be in the scene. I had only done snl, and I wasn't even really in sketches on snl. I just did Update. So I would be like. I would literally be like. In my head, I'd be like, I don't know if I'm on camera right now. So I'm gonna try real hard every time. Like, didn't know to even ask if I'm in this part of the setup. And her performance was so small that I remember being worried and going to Mark Waters and being like, I don't know. And then you get the dailies, and it was, like, perfection. But it was very. It was small. It was a film performance. It wasn't like, me.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, we talk about that all the time. Like, the sketch mentality of coming in in one mode, especially, like, because we didn't have any acting training coming up. We were like creatures of the basement, you know, like, any of us. And then all of a sudden, you book a thing where you have to be on camera acting, and they're like, hey, just throw it away. And you're like, I don't know. What does that mean?

[Tina Fey]

But you learn but the difference is then when you see. When you see people on snl, when you see someone like IO who understands the assignment, to use a now. Old phrase. Yeah, it's now, though. It's back. I brought it back. She understands what she's supposed to do and what sketch requires. And then you compare to, well, not name names, but you see people who come in, who only ever done film, whose performances are built in the edit room, who have no internal sense of pacing or even energy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And you. And, oh, they can fuck up a.

[Matt Rogers]

Show, but they can slay the pre tapes.

[Bowen Yang]

They can play the pre tapes.

[Matt Rogers]

Slay the pre tapes.

[Tina Fey]

Pre tapes for them. Pre tapes.

[Bowen Yang]

Literally. All we want to tell people now at snl, all I tell the hosts all the time on Wednesdays, especially at the read through, I go fast and loud. We were just like, just do it fast and loud. Fast and loud.

[Tina Fey]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

And that usually dials it in. It's plenty.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. That's what Amy talks about. How. Because we do a Q and A in our show and, like, we often get asked, like, you know, who are your favorite guests? And stuff. And she's like, I love athletes because they're used to being coached and they don't care. And you can just be like, just do that. Just do it louder and, like, say it like. And they're like, okay.

[Matt Rogers]

You also get a sense that anyone with like a Disney kid. Pass.

[Tina Fey]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Comes in there and tears it up.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Tina Fey]

Also, by the way, people who've done. There are fewer and fewer of these people, but it used to be people who had done soaps because, like, you know who got his start on soaps? Alec Baldwin. Julianne Moore.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, Julianne Moore.

[Tina Fey]

Make a choice.

[Bowen Yang]

Make a choice and go get Lisa Rinna to host.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, come on, Lisa. Julianne Moore. I think. Well, and that's. I think our favorite movie of the year is May December. We fucking love May December.

[Tina Fey]

That's your favorite movie of the year.

[Matt Rogers]

We love May December.

[Bowen Yang]

I enjoyed it, but that and Poor Things were my.

[Tina Fey]

I haven't watched Poor Things yet.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, you'd love it.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, you'd like Poor Things. Emma's. Emma's another one, like, comes in and, like, just tears up.

[Tina Fey]

Gets it. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And gets it. Gets it on camera, obviously. But Julianne Moore, I guess, because what's so fun about the movie is it's like purposefully a melodrama. Right. That insane music.

[Tina Fey]

That music was. She's like, we're out of hot dogs.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. When her insane accent. But then she was talking about, like. She's like, well, you know, I started in soaps, and I actually did the archetype of, like, the twins. The twins. The evil twins. Like, the amnesia twin. So it wasn't even just amnesia or just twin. It was both.

[Bowen Yang]

Acting opposite herself, wanting to kill herself.

[Tina Fey]

Incredible.

[Bowen Yang]

Kill the other.

[Matt Rogers]

But, like, makes all the sense in the world to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Wait, you said that about Alec too, though, where it's like the Rachel McAdams thing, where it's, like, just so quiet. You're like, is this gonna work? And then you watch the Alias, you're like, oh, my God.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And sometimes, you know, real stars, they don't really do what they're gonna do till you're on their close up. And so, you know, you look at those first two seasons of 30 Out Rock, and I'm like, hey. And he's like, you won that one, sir.

[Bowen Yang]

You won that one.

[Matt Rogers]

It really is wild, though, because you do a take and they're like, okay, we're moving on. And you're like, there's no way we can. I didn't do anything. And they're like, no, you get the performance of a lifetime. You just won't ever know because it wasn't fun for you at all.

[Tina Fey]

Right, Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

But it worked for us.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Back to Mean Girls really quickly. Yeah, please. How many times did you see it in the theater? Because you brought your dad?

[Matt Rogers]

Three. So I'm. Oh, come on. I mean, like, first of all, like, I wonder how this feels too, because to join this thing of, like, it was like Heather's, it was Clueless, and then it's Mean Girls, and that has to be really meaningful.

[Tina Fey]

Very meaningful to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Because those, you know, Heather's and Clueless were hugely formative. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, this is my thing. Listen, this is. My specificity with it, is there was, like, a website, 2004, 2005, in that time of the Internet called like, the Script Database or something, and they would either have the screenplay, the original screenplay of the movie of any movie you could think of, if they had it, the original actual PDF or the scan or whatever of the script, or they would have a transcript. And then I remember reaching out to the admin of that being like, I will transcribe Mean Girls for you.

[Tina Fey]

Oh.

[Bowen Yang]

And then he said, and did you do it? And I did it. And then that's freaking news. And this guy was like, God bless you. The demand for a movie has never been higher than the fact that you did that. I'm gonna do It. And I wrote the fucking, like, the.

[Matt Rogers]

Slugs and the mean girls.

[Bowen Yang]

I didn't write. I transcribed mean girls. He was like, well, you were Molly Ringwald, 14.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

This is what I said. I said, I can get you the script. And then this guy, this, like, 30 year old man was probably like, you mean the actual, like, Tina Fey, like, draft? I was like, no, no, no. I'm just gonna type out what they say. I, like, didn't know. I didn't know what he. I didn't know what he was looking for. He was like, I don't care. I'll take a transcript. I was like, oh, that's. Yes, of course. Transcribing. Yes. I will write out what they say. I'll say Katie says that, you know, like, that was the level of, like, fucking. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

There's, like, joy in every scene. And I guess what I feel is, like, you forget, like, that such big deals came out of that movie too. Like Amanda Seyfried, like, she's just so in the fabric of the movie, having fun doing her part, that you forget that she would then become like, Oscar. Yeah, hello. And I mean, it's like that down to everything. And I wonder, like, in shooting it, did you know that it was like, did you have a feeling that there was something special happening? Which feels like a question, like a boring question, because it did end up being culturally significant.

[Tina Fey]

Thank you. I feel like. I mean, part of the reason that it is because those girls were so legit and took it seriously and played it so real, you know, if they had been campy about it. Cause I think that's the thing I try to sometimes pass on in whatever writers rooms. Whatever is like, no villain thinks. No one's the villain in their story. Like, Regina's whole thing is, like, it's hard. Like, she's gonna come crying to me and then I gotta help her. No one's a villain in their own story, right? And I think they all played that perfectly because, you know, and you can see now, like, well, Regina's villain, Janice is a villain. Katie's a huge villain. Like, everyone's making mistakes and they played them all perfectly. But, you know, I think I was just at that place of, like, basically, like, is it gonna air? You know, we're gonna. We're gonna. It's gonna get made. That was the triumph in my mind.

[Bowen Yang]

That's refreshing to hear because I think. I think Matt and I are in that mindset right now where we're just like, we're working on things and we're just like, let's just not worry about the contours of this. Let's just, like, the goal is just to get it made 100%. You know what I mean?

[Tina Fey]

I read this book, I think it's called, like, Wild and Crazy Guys. And it's just a little nonfiction book about that span of time where, like, it's like, Steve Martin, Eddie Murphy, Bill Murray, Dan. It's like, all of. When they all were blowing up and what movies got made and whatever. And so many of these movies that are just canon to us, they were like, didn't really open, you know, and you're like, oh, I don't care. Like, you know, I watched it 100,000 times.

[Matt Rogers]

Whatever.

[Tina Fey]

The man with two brains. Or, you know, like, that was just. There just were movies, you know, and to, like, not worry too much about.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, how it does out there.

[Tina Fey]

How it does.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

How many theaters it is just.

[Matt Rogers]

You wonder, like, how many things we would actually love so much that it just get written off. I wonder about that all the time. Like, with the way the industry is now, like, how many things aren't getting made that, like, are actually going to be things that we think about in 15, 20 years. You know what I mean? Like, it feels very far and few. Between that, you get something, you know?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. Well, I think movies still are tighter. Yeah. Like, I feel like tv, because there's just so much more. Like, you are getting. Like, you're getting Reservation Dogs. You're getting, you know, Simon Rich's weird show where the. You know, like, Simon, we know this is what Bottoms felt like.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, totally.

[Tina Fey]

So refreshing.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, she's incredible. Emma Seligman, the director of that. She's like, I think she can do anything.

[Bowen Yang]

She can.

[Matt Rogers]

Between Shiva Baby and Bottom.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, and we love Rachel. I mean, so it's happening, like.

[Tina Fey]

And, you know, my daughter's 18. My older daughter, and that is Bottoms is everything really everything, Right?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's her mean girls, in a way.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Oh, that's so cool. That's so cool. I mean, it is this thing where, like, maybe we're just. Because we're, like, in. We have some awareness. We're, like, reading, like, the Inkler or whatever. But I'm just like, the survivorship bias of it all is really hitting me where I'm just like, oh, yeah. If I think too hard about the things that aren't getting made, then I start to.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I start to lose my mind a little.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm still going to the casting of Mean Girl. Did everyone audition for that? Like, did you get a tape from Lizzy Caplan?

[Tina Fey]

Or were you like, gosh, I think so.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Probably right.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It just feels like there can't have ever been a time when there was like, not those people. It's one of those things.

[Tina Fey]

It's like, yeah, I think so.

[Bowen Yang]

And Lindsay had worked with Mark before.

[Tina Fey]

Lindsay was coming. She had a lot of heat coming off of Freaky Friday.

[Bowen Yang]

And there's also Mark Waters.

[Tina Fey]

I think maybe I can't remember. We should fact check for sure. Okay. But yeah. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. And she came and I remember she came by SNL just to, like, hang out and be seen because she. I think she wanted to be considered. She wanted to play Regina, which I think. And Lauren was always wise, was like, no, you want that person to be the person who takes the trajectory to Regina. Yeah, he's like that. He's basically like, that's the part that you want. She's like, okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Was that when both you and Dennis were head writer or. No, he was doing it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's so fun. Me, I love Donna.

[Matt Rogers]

She was also a killer on snl.

[Tina Fey]

She was killer. People who, like, acted as kids also, they're just like, where do I stand? And what do I say? Let's do it. Miley Cyrus. Where do I stand? What do I say? Kiki Palmer.

[Matt Rogers]

Locked and loaded. Kiki Palmer everything.

[Tina Fey]

Yep, yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Kiki Palmer.

[Tina Fey]

Which is why we need to push more children into show 100%. We need to feed the SNL host pipeline by ruining children.

[Bowen Yang]

If there is, like, some sort of surgical neuralink type procedure to just. To implant that thing in actors of just, like, just stand here. Say it loud. Say it loud.

[Matt Rogers]

Fast and loud. I never. You guys had that at the same time, too. That must be, like, a fan.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. Fast and loud. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

That's not what the studio would say that to. And then the Celeste and I say that now, like, to all the hosts. We're just like, just project. That's our thing. But we're nice about. We're not like, ugh. We're just like, yeah, just flow through Fast and loud.

[Tina Fey]

And it works.

[Matt Rogers]

I bet it does.

[Bowen Yang]

Anyway.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, vibes were incredible.

[Bowen Yang]

Vibes are incredible. Last week.

[Tina Fey]

They really were. I mean, from home.

[Bowen Yang]

They were nice. They were nice. Are you watching every week?

[Tina Fey]

Not every single week, but I try. You know what sort of got me back into the every was. Was Alice being old enough to. And, like, wanting to stay up and Watch it. But she was not home last night because she was at the cast party for her own high school musical.

[Bowen Yang]

What are they doing?

[Tina Fey]

Well, the prom. She killed it. They all killed it. They were all great.

[Matt Rogers]

That sounds like a tour de force.

[Tina Fey]

All girls production of the.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, really?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's even more. More. Oh, that's beautiful.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that.

[Tina Fey]

I know. It was super cute.

[Matt Rogers]

Of the prom. Okay, so that is a hilarious idea to think about someone playing Dee as, like a child, by the way, but it's a no.

[Tina Fey]

This girl killed it. I wish I had video for you, cuz she killed.

[Matt Rogers]

I bet. Oh, my God. That's the people. If you could do one role, what would it be? I'm like, I know it'll never happen, but I'd love to do Dee in the prom when you. I had to do drag for the show I was in last year. And like, I put this little wig on, like a little, you know, side swoop, like not exactly Catherine Zeta, but in the world. And I was like, I think I am Dee Dee. I know I am.

[Bowen Yang]

You're Didi.

[Tina Fey]

Do you know Jeff? My husband Jeff.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. So he often brings up that, like, back in musical theater, like, major college.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

That you take makeup class and part of makeup class was always like, you had to do drag or like, you had to, like, do a gender swap with your makeup. And he really likes to brag that he looked. This may be total reference to you. He's like, I was very pretty and I looked like Barbara Mandrell.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Tina Fey]

He's like, I was very pretty.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you seen photos? Could you confirm?

[Tina Fey]

I have not seen photos.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, well, you should tell him to put on a face again.

[Tina Fey]

I know he's. We'd have to. He has a beard right now, but.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, right, right, right.

[Tina Fey]

But I. He might shave it for the opportunity.

[Matt Rogers]

We might show off Barbara Mandrell. We should just tell him if he wants a stage, we do something called the Culture Awards every year. He's welcome to come out and do it. Give his full Mandrell, and then you.

[Tina Fey]

Can judge whether he still looks like Barbara Mandrell.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, Barbara Mandrell.

[Matt Rogers]

Also, you're kind of almost there with the drag name anyway.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally Mandrell. And then this is what I'm saying. This is what we're saying.

[Matt Rogers]

The opportunity is looking riper and riper.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not going to judge him. We're. It's going to be like a VMA situation where he knows ahead of time that he's winning the award we were.

[Matt Rogers]

Saying, that's the vma, because the Grammys are today. And we're like, we think people don't know if they're going to win a Grammy, but I think you know, if you're winning like a vma.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, I. I bet. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Cuz Taylor Swift has changed her flight.

[Bowen Yang]

No, she's changed her flight. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

She's changed her Instagram to all black and white, which we believe means there's an announcement coming. And I'm like, well, I wonder if Taylor Swift could find out in advance if she's winning a Grammy. But, like. Because if someone could, it's probably Taylor Swift, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Probably.

[Matt Rogers]

You don't know what the Oscars. You don't know what the Emmys. You probably don't know what the Grammys. Yeah, it's not people's choice.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no.

[Matt Rogers]

You would say that you've won a ton of these things they call you before.

[Tina Fey]

No, no, no. I feel like I do remember one time with the Golden Globes, like Alec was nominated for 30 Rock and he wasn't. And he was like, can we just call them and ask him if I won? Because I felt like with that one, maybe you could have. And I don't think he was able to. And I don't remember if he won or not or. But I don't. He was like, surely this one, they'll just tell me if I have to go and.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I mean, I bet they would if it's Alec, whatever.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially the Globes at that time. Oh, by the way, your guys host. Would you guys go back and host again or.

[Tina Fey]

Oh my gosh, I don't know. Like it's a thing because we ended the last time we did it was this weird like Zoom one that was a bummer. But we did used to have so much fun doing that. We really did.

[Matt Rogers]

You guys were the best at it.

[Bowen Yang]

The Zoom one can't be the period on the piece.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, that's the tricky one not to.

[Bowen Yang]

Put the pressure on.

[Tina Fey]

I know, but we could either try to erase the Zoom one or. Yeah, well, NBC doesn't own it anymore.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, Right.

[Tina Fey]

And you know me, you, Countess Luann, we vote for NBC.

[Matt Rogers]

You got it. We're Comcast girl, who's in charge of NBC these days. I will say she was on one the other night. She is alive up there. Yeah, she goes for it. And it's so funny because you watch the early seasons and you're like, this woman's never gonna become a cabaret star. And then you go to 54 below. And she was doing covers of oh, what a Night.

[Tina Fey]

How do I ask this delicately? Has she been working on her singing?

[Bowen Yang]

Can I say?

[Tina Fey]

Because everyone does. It's so deeply Taylor Swifted.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? 100%. Here's what I'll say. There is a quality to her voice that I think limits what it can do.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. It's low and raspy.

[Matt Rogers]

It is so low.

[Tina Fey]

It's a Bea Arthur.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a Carol Channing.

[Tina Fey]

It's a Channing. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It exists where it exists. And so I think we're picking songs that just. The keys are two steps down from what they even are for the men she covers. But I will say there's something sort of. She really knows her range.

[Tina Fey]

She's matching pitch 100%, and you're never.

[Matt Rogers]

Gonna see her, like, go for the money note. In fact, one time, she did go for the money note, and it was more like, I'm joyfully making a big sound than it is. I'm hitting a note.

[Bowen Yang]

Which it's just about the selling and the delivery of it.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I think. I think her range being what it is, is the perfect extra dimension to her performance, and I think she knows that now. And I think she's like, let me just have fun. You know, I'm not the best singer. And we're saying this with love, Lou.

[Tina Fey]

Well, there's a lot of people who. Yeah. If it's like, if you know how to put your show together.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

And give people. And also, if people know what they're signing up for.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

We were signing up for four red sangrias I found.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, sangria. That is our favorite.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know what it was about it that made me feel like, this is the drink tonight.

[Bowen Yang]

Sugar and wine.

[Tina Fey]

I don't drink.

[Matt Rogers]

And this is also what got me, really. I make, like, a quote unquote famous sangria winter Sangria for holidays. It's just so much booze. And I literally was just like, yay. And I realized no one likes it as much as me, but because I made it, I feel it must get consumed. And then you're blacked out on Christmas. And I don't. I don't even get drunk like this. It's only when I'm drinking red sangria.

[Bowen Yang]

NYU. Before pre 21, if you didn't have a fake place to go, was Little Italy. You just order, like, a house Chianti. The house Chianti. Well, no, you would order, like, a huge pitcher of. Of sangria and cottage, too. It got you there. Well, Cottage.

[Matt Rogers]

Chinese restaurant. Do you remember the restaurant?

[Tina Fey]

Chinese?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, the Chinese place.

[Bowen Yang]

Cottage.

[Matt Rogers]

So they're long.

[Bowen Yang]

And Steph Shoe of everything. Ever Oscar nominee Steph Shoe would go there in college and get wasted at.

[Matt Rogers]

19 and drink red wine. What was that?

[Bowen Yang]

It was worse than Two Buck Chuck. It was something worse than Two Buck.

[Tina Fey]

Fermented Welch's grape juice.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, 100%. I had my birthday there. It was like a party of 25 underage kids getting so much of this red wine.

[Bowen Yang]

So much. But wait, in terms of putting together a show, though, just quickly, was it like you and Amy being like, what do we want to do? We just want to sit down.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause it would be easy to just do that. I mean, we do it all the time, right?

[Tina Fey]

Just sit down, do a Q and A. We did a little test run of like, Netflix is a joke last year. We did just mostly a Q and A and a couple little, like, really undercooked bits. And it was easy and fun, but we sort of thought like, oh, we should have a little bit of structure. And so we do. I feel like this is a really nice little structure. I don't know if I should give it away. We may keep touring, but like, yeah, it has sort of like four parts. There are wardrobe changes.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, love.

[Tina Fey]

There are one to four wigs.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, good.

[Tina Fey]

Depending on the night. There is a little bit of improv. There's a little bit of stand up.

[Matt Rogers]

Come on. And a special guest.

[Tina Fey]

And a special guest. And so. But if so the structure we. It felt reminded us of Golden Globes times because we always have. We have such. It's over 30 years since that we know each other.

[Matt Rogers]

Very special.

[Tina Fey]

So we do really have a shorthand of, like, what if we go xyz? Like, there's no ego in it. There's like we. And also we both been producing things for a long time, so I do feel proud. I feel like we're giving the white women that come to see us and other people too. But listen, on fuller stuff and 30.

[Bowen Yang]

Something Asian, gay and beautiful Asian, gay.

[Tina Fey]

Men, all are welcome. I feel like we're giving people what they want, but in a way. But also, it's hopefully a little bit surprising as it goes along. But the answer is basically, I was on set, we were finishing filming the Mean Girls movie in Middletown, New Jersey, and Amy and I had been working once a week over Zoom being like, talking about what the show could be, whatever. And then we had from the day I finished, and it was a brutal. It was A very tiring, fast shoot. It was, like, a lot of late nights and whatever. And so that was. Say, I finished on, like, the Monday, and then, like, Saturday, we were like. Our test show was in Port Chester, so she came, and we had, like, three or four days. It was very much like the Golden Globes. We were like, okay, we got this. We got this. And we just sort of finished figuring out the show, and we've honed it some since, but it is sort of like, you know, when you write something, it's born quickly comes right out. It's usually a good sign. And the structure kind of just slipped right out.

[Matt Rogers]

So when did you realize there was, like, music to you and Amy? Like, I wonder. Like, you guys have always been, like, friends, and I think. I don't know how true this is, but, like, you were at SNL and, like, put her name in their ears, and then she came.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. So we started. You know, we were in. We started together at Improv Olympic.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Sharna Halperin said to both of us, this girl. You don't like this girl, but put you on the same team. And we were the only two girls on a team inside Vladimir and.

[Matt Rogers]

Which is a really good.

[Bowen Yang]

Gay porn.

[Tina Fey]

That's what it was named after. Yeah. A gay porn VHS tape that was on display at JJ Pepper's on Clark and Far Away.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Tina Fey]

Huge for them. I remember we also were like. We named it after that. And then as a team, we're like, we should all watch it once as a group. And then we're like, oh, we watched, like, the first 10 minutes, and then people drifted to other parts of the party, except for, like, one or two of the straight guys that just hung in.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Code. Switching icons.

[Tina Fey]

Yes. And so we toured together, and then she. And we were both understudies for the main stage, and she was 100% the A team, and I was the B team. Like, I remember one time, Kelly Leonard was like, you know, so and so's going Dratch. Dratch. Like, Dratch is going on vacation, and Amy can't. She can do all of the nights except one. And I was like, so I get it. And he's like, no, you gonna. She's gonna do all the nights except one. And you're gonna go on one time. And I was like, oh, okay. But. And then she left to go do UCB show in New York, and then I did. Literally only because she left, or I would have been waiting another two years behind her. I was John Glazer's. Understudy.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, John Glazer. Pinata full of bees.

[Tina Fey]

And he is such, like, a gender neutral in his comedy that I just was like, yeah, you can just step right in.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally.

[Tina Fey]

Because it's all just, like, wonderful weirdness.

[Bowen Yang]

Matt, I both read for a John Glazer assistant part.

[Matt Rogers]

And you both.

[Bowen Yang]

We love you, John. He and his wife listen to the podcast. Anyway.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, they're the best.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, they're the best.

[Tina Fey]

I see them on fire ants when.

[Matt Rogers]

By the way, I'm actually. I didn't even mean to do this, but I realized I had my merch.

[Tina Fey]

Fire Island Pines.

[Bowen Yang]

Show it, show it. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

[Tina Fey]

So then I ended up trying to get a writing job at SNL, and Adam McKay hired me, and I started. And then. Yes. So at some point, I guess after the UCB TV show ended, I was like, but would you ever. But would you ever come over here? Would you ever audition? And I feel like it was sort of brokered that she was like, basically like, I am not doing three through the door. Like, I'm not. Like, I'm too established to come with my characters and my box of wigs. And so it was some kind of in between. It was more like a camera test.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Tina Fey]

There was something where it was like, I'm not gonna work too hard.

[Bowen Yang]

I see.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. Forever. The Enneagram 8. The challenger.

[Bowen Yang]

Enneagram 8. What is that one? The Challenger.

[Tina Fey]

Yes, that's it.

[Bowen Yang]

What are you. Do you know?

[Tina Fey]

You three.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm three. I think I'm three. What is three again?

[Tina Fey]

The Achiever.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, now that I know this is a thing, I'm gonna become obsessed with it.

[Tina Fey]

Amy's obsessed with it.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

You need to take the test tonight.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Amy's Nate.

[Tina Fey]

Amy's an eight.

[Matt Rogers]

Is it one through eight?

[Tina Fey]

Is one through nine?

[Bowen Yang]

Nine, Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

I forget what nine is because I don't know a lot of nines.

[Bowen Yang]

What's it called? Like, your echo four. What is it called?

[Tina Fey]

A wing.

[Bowen Yang]

Wing four.

[Tina Fey]

Wing four.

[Bowen Yang]

I think I'm Wing four. And I forget what four is, but.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, this is exciting.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. Oh, this is gonna take over.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you ever dabble in astrology?

[Tina Fey]

I know I'm a Taurus. I don't believe so much in astrology because it's random. But why? Which is. And again, I'm not the Enneagram stuff. It's because I've been on tour with Amy for the last 17 weekends that we're talking about a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

But I do put more stock in it. Because it's based on. You answer a million questions. So it's actually based on you and what you think and how you react.

[Matt Rogers]

Correct.

[Tina Fey]

That's the word word. Qualitative.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So with the you and Amy thing, like, would you consider yourselves opposites?

[Tina Fey]

No, we're not. We're not opposite things. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Because it presents that in the comedic duo, which I guess. And we've been talking about this a lot, being this. But, like, it's funny how you present.

[Tina Fey]

That in its own. As our opposite. Right. Because it's more like I'm sort of tightly buttoned up, and then she's more like little like a bag. But we're both actually pretty bossy. But, yeah, I just. To answer your question, like, when did I realize that we're sort of more powerful together?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

I remember before, like, Jimmy. I was doing an update with Jimmy, and then he left, and I was. Felt very abandoned. Cause I was like, he left. Like, he left. We had a good thing going, and I did tests with other people and stuff. And then Lauren was doing that Lauren thing. He was like, what do you think? Like, leaving it sort of up to me. And there was part of me that was like, oh, God, I think I'm supposed to want to do this by myself. Like, that's the power move.

[Matt Rogers]

And.

[Tina Fey]

But I was like, but I'm a sketch person. I'm not a sketch.

[Matt Rogers]

You wanted a partner.

[Tina Fey]

Right. And at the very, like, last minute, I remember I was coming back. This is too much information. I was coming back from a train trip from Washington, D.C. where I had weirdly and presciently taken a photograph for, like, the COVID of. I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, is this the John McCain thing.

[Tina Fey]

With John McCain, like, in 2000, whatever. But way before 2008. And I had to make the decision on the Amtrak ride back. And I called Amy and I was like, will you do me the great honor of being my wife? And then it just worked from there. And I think by the time the Globes and the Hillary and Sarah, all of it, all it just was like, oh, people do like us together.

[Matt Rogers]

100%.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the music to it that you're asking about.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. I mean, I just. Because it feels like, again, it feels like that thing that always was, but there had to be a time when it was decided, like, oh, yeah, this feels really good.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Because. And I think that's, like, just feels like this synergistic thing that must have always been right. You know what I mean?

[Tina Fey]

I mean, it kind of has been for a long. Like, maybe the credit goes to Sharna.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, it sounds like. Sounds like.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but like, in terms of you guys building up the structure for the show for slag, like, that is interesting to hear about because I feel like with Globes, it was you guys looking at the established structure of, like, what an award show looks like and then being like, let's go out with mustaches and be like, nominees for Dog President. A movie called oh, Dog President. I mean, like, form breaking. Like, I was like, I remember just watching. I was with my friends watching that first year of the Globes and just being like, oh, my God, this is incredible.

[Matt Rogers]

This was also the joke structure they handed to you guys, which they don't do anymore. Which, as a woman who in a dot, I love that little format. And I was just. I wish they would do that because sometimes they would just, like, describe it in such a weird way. And they're on the actor, like, and.

[Bowen Yang]

She has to, like, nod.

[Matt Rogers]

She's a total idiot.

[Tina Fey]

Total idiot. Who looks terrible till the end.

[Matt Rogers]

Who looks terrible even now.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Matt Rogers, Dog President.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. I mean, listen, the things I think we knew from, like, I felt that we brought producer brain to the tables were like, front load it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

Don't come out. And I've watched other award shows since where I've been like, oh, no, no, no, my darling.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

At the end of, like, the Oscars, don't come out at like 1050 with a long ass bit. Everyone's tired. Everyone who's still in the room has lost.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Get out of there. You know, so, like, front loaded. Don't go too long. Work the room. And also literally just like, say who you are and remind people how they know you. Like, just. I feel like we had just training from SNL of just like watching a million monologues.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a Lauren thing of like, okay, most ads are gonna be in the cold open and monologue. And before update, that's above the fold in terms of newspapers. It's common sense to us, but it's also things that I guess people don't think of all the time. And that's okay. But it's also, I feel like the biggest boon of working there is to see a different version of, let's just say, fame every week. And then to be like, oh, I can behaviorally adjust myself based on what I'm witnessing.

[Tina Fey]

Which of these paths seems like a good path?

[Bowen Yang]

And yeah, that sounds weird to say, but I don't know.

[Matt Rogers]

So speaking of like, the famous of it all. I wonder, like, you've probably met everyone at this point, but then you're in the Golden Globes room, and it's literally like, is there anyone who throws you off?

[Tina Fey]

That is a great question. I. I have to say, after so much time at SNL and also just being 53, where you're just like, I don't care.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, right.

[Tina Fey]

And you've seen, like, you've seen so many waves of culture, and you're like, yeah, guess who used to be a big deal and isn't anymore. Whoever you are, it will pass. Right. And also, having had to go make crazy phone calls and have crazy meetings and be like, I've had to do things like, can you call Mariah Carey and ask her for the rights to this song? And once you've done, I don't know if I can think of a person that I'd be like, you're such a big deal.

[Matt Rogers]

Because even Oprah has been your colleague.

[Tina Fey]

I have met Oprah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, on one of the most iconic.

[Bowen Yang]

So there you go.

[Matt Rogers]

Winning Mariah is huge because you got her with Mean Girls and you have her for life.

[Tina Fey]

She loves Mean Girls.

[Matt Rogers]

She loves Mean Girls.

[Tina Fey]

No, and I love her.

[Bowen Yang]

Wrote a whole song about it.

[Matt Rogers]

One of her best songs.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

To our.

[Tina Fey]

She's so obsessed with me.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you like the new. Do you like the new. The. The Renee and Megan songs? I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you like it?

[Matt Rogers]

All the time.

[Bowen Yang]

You like it?

[Matt Rogers]

Renee is a real one.

[Tina Fey]

A real star.

[Matt Rogers]

She's a real star.

[Tina Fey]

A real star.

[Matt Rogers]

She came on this podcast then. It's like her voice in that movie. Were you at the Jimmy Awards when she won? Do you know this?

[Bowen Yang]

With Brandon Scott?

[Tina Fey]

You were at the Jimmy Awards there.

[Bowen Yang]

Me, Joel Kim, Booster, Brandon Scott Jones. We were cruising. Oh, no. We were there. And then Renee came out. And then Laura Benanti was hosting the whole thing and being like. And just on stage, Laura Bernanti saying, like, if I had the confidence of that girl, I would have no problems. And it was just. You could tell from that night, yeah, she's a star. It was just.

[Matt Rogers]

And the kid that won was Andrew Barth Feldman in the Jennifer Lawrence movie, no Hard Feelings.

[Tina Fey]

And Evan Hansen. Right, Evan Hansen.

[Bowen Yang]

Evan Hansen.

[Matt Rogers]

It was a big year for the Jims.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, yeah. The Jimmies. The Jimmies of the future.

[Matt Rogers]

100%.

[Tina Fey]

The other thing that I loved about Renee on SNL was her live vocal was right up front in that mix.

[Bowen Yang]

Right up front, right in the zone. Totally.

[Tina Fey]

You could hear it was live, 100%.

[Bowen Yang]

She was great vibes. And then. And then at the after party, she was like, I don't do, like, big spaces. I was like, you're so cool.

[Tina Fey]

Great Americans.

[Matt Rogers]

Great Americans.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's time to move on.

[Matt Rogers]

Shall we move to. I don't think so, honey. Okay, so this is the segment, Tina, where we take one minute to rant and rave against something in culture. And I'm gonna get a little specific, and I apologize to you in advance.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, no.

[Matt Rogers]

But I think you need to make some changes.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, God.

[Matt Rogers]

I know, but don't be scared, okay?

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. About me. I guess time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Bow and Yang, no deodorant in your dressing room.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, get out.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause I think it's a staple, right?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't need it anyway. I don't need it, babe.

[Matt Rogers]

My thing is, like, I needed it. And remember that you have guests, and some of them are gonna be in that hot little stuffy dressing room. And your dressing room is stuffy, and I'm turning around. And as I said before, no, not a deodorant in sight in my apartment. Only acts, which I didn't find till this morning. I feel like Bowen. We need to rethink and restock your dressing room with the essentials.

[Bowen Yang]

30 seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

Because there's a lot of fancy, good whiskey and no deodorants, no nothing that's gonna actually get us to the end of the day. The end of the week. Oh. Cause it was smelling in there. And I apologize to you, but you had a lot of men in your dressing room last night and 15 seconds. And it stank by the end of it. And I'm telling you, like, I just couldn't believe you didn't have your little essentials. You do have a lot of good cologne.

[Bowen Yang]

I do. And I would end up with better than Axe, but. I know.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, but I'm just saying, like, in terms of the sweat and the antiperspir, you could be doing better.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so. And that's one minute. I had Tums available for our friend Dave because he had an upset stomach. Yeah, I have so many other. This is the thing about working at SNL that I'm never gonna get over. You could have had the worst week professionally. Not the worst week, but just a rough week.

[Matt Rogers]

Or just at the show, let's say, feels bad.

[Bowen Yang]

And then you still have to host your friends and make sure they have ice and get drinks for them. I'm like, this, this is the thing that I don't love that like.

[Tina Fey]

Like your aunt and uncle are coming to take him to the party.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And you're like, oh, it's a light show for me. And it's.

[Matt Rogers]

I will say I did check myself when like, I think it was a couple years ago. Like a few of us were in your dressing room just like having a time and I think it was like a week where you were having a hard time and you came and we were just like, what do you mean? Just because, like you don't want to be like, woo. Like, come on, get on up on our level. When it's like I am at work still. And I do respect that.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm sorry they didn't have deodorant. I'll get.

[Matt Rogers]

I just felt bad because I reeked.

[Tina Fey]

You needed to have a little basket, like in a wedding reception ladies room with like mints, deodorant.

[Bowen Yang]

I have Grether's pastels. I'm getting mints and deodorant.

[Matt Rogers]

He does have Grether's pastels. Does everyone know where you got tampons?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, and tampons. Cynthia Erivo gave me Gres pastels.

[Matt Rogers]

Cynthia Erivo gave him the best singer line in the world.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's great. IO debris. Also big. Big brother's past.

[Matt Rogers]

Big brother's past deals.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, she had the bed.

[Matt Rogers]

All the greats.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I'm sorry. I will do my best to.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I'm kidding. I just didn't want to smell so bad.

[Bowen Yang]

That's okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And also, I'm being a little like I'm airing on the side of caution. I'm. I don't think so any. Cuz I got absolutely dragged for the one I did last week which was people should not be riding Taylor Swift so hard for the private jet usage. You don't want her to ride commercial.

[Tina Fey]

I saw that. And you're like, what? Is she going to fly? Like have a Delta in the Delta lounge?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was teasing everyone. And the girls absolutely dragged me because I'm harmful.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm harmful.

[Tina Fey]

You're the real problem.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm the real problem. Apologize to everyone.

[Bowen Yang]

I've got one.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Bonyang, I might be biting the hand.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, baby.

[Bowen Yang]

We'll see.

[Matt Rogers]

This is Boneyang's. I don't think so, honey. Time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. My co host doing ads for the Tiger's Apprentice. Now streaming on Paramount plus and Naming off the cast list, Henry Golding, Greta Lee, Sandra oh, Michelle Yeoh, but no mention of Bowen Yang of me. I normally don't mind, but I. It's my own podcast. I'm giving Paramount a platform. I saw Mean Girls in theaters four times. I went to go see Mean Girls the Musical 2024. I'm a supporter of Paramount, of CBS, of Viacom. I've had many wonderful experiences working with Viacom, cbs, and I can't even get a damn mention in the ads and the promo material for this movie that I had a great time doing. I play Sidney the Rat. It's a movie where the 12 animals of the Chinese zodiac team up to fight an evil end. That sounds good. Oh, Michelle Yeoh plays the villain. I mean, co worker with our guest Tina. Paramount, please put me in the damn credits.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. I personally like to apologize for not improvising in the ad that you were.

[Bowen Yang]

But I don't think. But dead ass, you did not know that I was in that movie.

[Matt Rogers]

No, dead ass, I do know that you're in the movie, but you know what it's like to do ads. And this is sort of a peek behind the curtain. It usually happens at the end of a podcast when you just want to leave. And so you're like, coming soon to Paramount. Plus, it's going to be everyone but Bowen. All right, see you later, everybody.

[Bowen Yang]

I want to say when I love.

[Matt Rogers]

That I didn't go to the map for you.

[Bowen Yang]

When I love that for you came out and we were doing answer. I love that for you. I made sure to really make your name an emphatic part of that. I just expected better from you.

[Tina Fey]

I expected better from you as it's really hardest, harshest things.

[Matt Rogers]

Can you imagine if Amy said that to you? If your best friend and company partner said, I expected better from you on the air.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, my gosh, that's rough.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I expect better for myself. I'm sorry. And from now on, I will always say your name. I'll sneak your name into projects you're not even in.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

And then maybe just like. And you have deodorant for me. Let's have each other's backs more in the future because this is a magic here. And there's a music here, there's a music here. I've always known it.

[Bowen Yang]

That's an equivalent exchange.

[Tina Fey]

You're the Tina and Amy of your generation.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? What if.

[Bowen Yang]

Don't, don't, don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Should we host the Globes Are you, by the way, are you passing down the crown?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

You should host the Globes together.

[Bowen Yang]

That room is gonna be like, who the fuck are those?

[Tina Fey]

No, no.

[Bowen Yang]

They wouldn't have two Jo Koys to be like, who? No, they're like, who is that guy?

[Tina Fey]

They would be like, it's Joel Kim Booster.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Tina Fey]

Because that keeps happening to you guys.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And they'll be like, and Zachary Quinto.

[Tina Fey]

No, but you really should do that, because together are so much more fun.

[Bowen Yang]

I would only do it with someone with you.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm throwing our name in there. I was like, yeah, we're gonna do it. And Bowen was like, no, not the Globes. And I was like, well, I think they're back. I think now we know they're back. You know what I mean?

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, they're back. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you ready for this?

[Tina Fey]

I think so. Okay, so I will say I was like. I was kind of sweating this because.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Tina Fey]

I. You know, again, I'm 53. I have nothing but opinions. Right. I have violent opinions about everything. But I'm also constantly afraid of getting in trouble. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you wanna audition some?

[Tina Fey]

No, I think I'm in an okay area now. But also, like, I do have backups if we do it. And you'd be like, no, do a.

[Matt Rogers]

Different one if we're like, no, you'll get crucified for that.

[Tina Fey]

I was thinking about my own fear of crucifixion, and it led me to my choice of topics. Okay, so. And I may look at my phone because I'm old.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, you have to. You have to. This is Tina Fey's I don't Think so, honey. Time starts now.

[Tina Fey]

I don't think so, honey. Bowen Yang giving his real opinions about movies on this podcast. I regret to inform you that you are too, too famous now, Summer, I know what's gonna happen. You have a problem with Saltburn. Quiet luxury. Keep it to yourself. Because what are you gonna do when Emerald Fennel calls you about her next project where you play Carrie Mulligan's co worker in the bridal section of Harrods, and then Act 3 takes a sexually violent turn and you have to pretend to be surprised by that term. You have to have a clean paper trail, nothing negative. Everything everyone does is amazing.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, that's so true.

[Tina Fey]

You hang out with Ariana and SpongeBob. Now, that is your life, okay? And Matt Rogers, I can tell you, you got about one year left. And then you. Yes, learn from my mistakes. Learn from I.O. podcasts are forever. Authenticity is dangerous and expensive. I don't think so, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

This is actually. That's one.

[Bowen Yang]

And that is so real Alzheimer.

[Matt Rogers]

And, you know, they're starting to come for us, the people that listen to this. And, like, they don't say their real opinions. And it's like, yeah, I don't think that anyone needs that.

[Bowen Yang]

But they're all.

[Tina Fey]

Sometimes it gets harder.

[Matt Rogers]

I know. I bet it does.

[Bowen Yang]

And then they're also digging through our stuff, being like, well, there was a period when they didn't like Taylor Swift. Yeah, there was actually a period where.

[Matt Rogers]

They didn't like them. So to hear them be so sycophantic now is really crazy. They call us bootlickers. I'm like, you guys, it's a.

[Tina Fey]

It's a walk doing this and it's a dangerous dance. And it's impossible.

[Matt Rogers]

It's really crazy because the fact is we do have strong opinions about almost.

[Tina Fey]

Everything, and that's what people want and why it's authentic.

[Matt Rogers]

But also, what do I do when Emerald calls?

[Tina Fey]

What are you gonna do when.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but I personally, and I cannot expect this of everyone if someone's not a fan of one thing that I've done. If someone was like, I didn't love Fire Island, I'll be like, no problem. I'll still be in a sketch with you. I'll still, like, take a meet. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but it's Emerald Fennell. If I'll still take a meeting.

[Bowen Yang]

Take a meeting.

[Matt Rogers]

Emerald Fennell had gotten on a podcast and absolutely destroyed Fire island and said, this is bad. I didn't get the performances. And Emerald Fennell said the words. I don't think Bowen Yang has ever pulled it off. You would feel crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

I would feel crazy. But I'd be like, that's. I was like, no, but she's entitled that.

[Matt Rogers]

Emerald.

[Tina Fey]

That was. I forgot my one note that I didn't get to. As I was at the bottom, it was gonna be, I don't. Listen, I don't expect you to stand with Dave Chappelle at Goodnight. I'm not a monster. I'm not crazy. But I do need you to hug Mark Cuban like he is your long lost father. Like Jimmy did. And also, why did Jimmy do that? Why was Jimmy hugging Mark Cuban like they won the super bowl together?

[Bowen Yang]

Jimmy was so happy. I know. When Jimmy was so nice and he sent me milk bar cookies.

[Tina Fey]

Well, that's why Jimmy's the best, because he's capable of joy.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God, no. And we need that. And I was, by the way, people are, like, reading me for, like, in the very Gib talk show sketch, like, looking agitated and bored. I was like, no, I was, like.

[Tina Fey]

Playing in the sketch.

[Bowen Yang]

I was playing in the sketch and being like, oh, there's. The guests are supposed to be, like, a little perplexed. I was like, you guys. But that was fantastic.

[Matt Rogers]

Honestly, though, this is a genuine question. How would you do this podcast? You know what I mean? Like, how, like, if you're us, how would you continue to do this podcast, which started in 2016, when we thought there's no way anyone will ever listen to it even once? And we sort of established this thing of, like, we see things, we talk about it, we're honest, we have our little fun things in the pop culture. And then all of a sudden, that does become hard because someone who might be a dear sister to you.

[Tina Fey]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Might be right.

[Tina Fey]

I mean, I do think you guys. You guys are thoughtful and gentle, and if you say you don't like something, it's not just, like, just to be jerks. So, you know, you obviously were very thoughtful about those movies, but it does become a thing where it's like, oh, do you want to be people who keep it real and have their podcast forever, or do you want to be goddamn movie stars?

[Bowen Yang]

There you go. What if it's the former?

[Tina Fey]

Then. Then.

[Matt Rogers]

Then I think we're doing your.

[Tina Fey]

But, like, my. Like, my. My trail of mistakes lives behind me. Like Jacob Marley's train. Like, just chains of shame, like, from. Like, I'll just use this real name from my high school in New Girls. Like, and then hit this person. Like, that wasn't even it. Just like, I liked their name. Like, it's nothing to do with them.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

And then I'm like, that's level of shame, you hear?

[Matt Rogers]

They're now going impatient because of what you've done.

[Tina Fey]

I mean, God forbid. And then, like, just. And then, like, update jokes that you're like, I'll do it. I don't care. And then you're like, oh, right. And then, yeah, like, so many kinds of these mistakes that you're like, why did I what?

[Matt Rogers]

Especially the thing with the IO thing. It's like, so someone like, J. Lo is so famous and has been so famous for such a long time that literally everyone in the world has said something probably incredibly positive and negative about her, just because that's like a colloquialism almost. And so for her to get dragged so much for this, not only do I think it's like, uncool. But I'm like, guys, this is not. This is not a Pandora's box we want to open of. Let's dig up everything everyone said on the Internet.

[Tina Fey]

No kidding.

[Matt Rogers]

It will be an apocalypse.

[Tina Fey]

That sketch was like, why did I. Why'd you say it? That was funny too.

[Matt Rogers]

That was great.

[Bowen Yang]

They threw that line in after Friday, after. After that news broke. It was just fortuitous. Or the opposite in terms of, like, it's IO And J. Lo being on the same. The same bill for snl. Like, that's the only reason.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, that's. But it's like, even that is just like, guys, it's just. I don't think anyone's gonna stand by every single thing they've ever said. And it is tough. And then when a lot of people do start listening, there is a weird rub. And so, like, honestly, that I don't think so, honey. Comes at a really interesting time. Because you catch it. Yeah, I catch it all the time. And like, I honestly also, sometimes I only ever think, don't take my opinion seriously. I'm like a dummy with a podcast. Like, I'm just trying to have fun with this. But people do take it very seriously.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's not up to you.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's not up to me. And also, like, however. And I've never heard. I've literally never heard from like an artist or anyone that's done anything out there and said what you said on your podcast really hurt me.

[Tina Fey]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

But, like, I don't know. If I were to hear that, I would definitely certainly feel bad.

[Bowen Yang]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

Like, yeah, I don't want anyone to feel anything but good after having listened to it. But it is a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. That was a good image impartment you've imparted on us.

[Matt Rogers]

It's been so long since we've been.

[Tina Fey]

Imparted on Open a window be imparted in here.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah, we. To be imparted in this way.

[Tina Fey]

Woo.

[Matt Rogers]

We needed it. Well, this was just a joy and a half.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, what a delight to talk to you. I enjoy the podcast so much.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you for even saying that. And I just mean, like, truly, like, this was wish fulfillment for us to say the least, to even have you here and even know who the hell we are. So this is absolute pleasure.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh my gosh, we love you.

[Matt Rogers]

We love you a lot. And oh, by the way, get tickets to the show. The be. Is it all sold out as hell?

[Tina Fey]

The Beacon might be sold out. We have some. We still have a show coming in, like, Seattle. Thank you for knowing that in Portland there might still be tickets because we have to go back because the city froze and we had to cancel the show. But everyone who was mad on Twitter if you couldn't get to the show, that still happened. You can. I think you can get tickets. Like, we're not. We're doing the right thing. So everyone calm down.

[Matt Rogers]

Calm down. We're doing the right thing.

[Tina Fey]

It's roller culture number eight.

[Matt Rogers]

Calm down. We're doing the right thing.

[Bowen Yang]

That's just generally applicable.

[Tina Fey]

And then let me see, what else should I be professional about? Oh, yeah. Girls 5, Eva, Meredith Guardino's amazing show.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, it's so good.

[Tina Fey]

All three seasons come to Netflix so you can see Bo and Yang. You can see so many wonderful people, I believe. March 14th. I hope I'm right about that.

[Matt Rogers]

March 14th. One of our dearest friends, Matt Whitaker.

[Tina Fey]

Oh, the bad. I love Matt Whitaker. I still text with him sometimes.

[Matt Rogers]

He's a big. We saw appropriate the other night on Broadway together. He's a great theater going friend.

[Tina Fey]

Yes, he is great.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Tina Fey]

He sees everything.

[Matt Rogers]

He sees it all.

[Tina Fey]

And then Mean Girls 2024.

[Matt Rogers]

Mean Girls 2024. My mom and aunt saw it the other night and their review was this. We loved it. You know, it was different because it was a musical.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I said that. That is.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah, that was one of the ones that I was like, oh, I can't do this. In all ga intro. I wanted to be like, I don't think so, honey. Little Broadway cunts on TikTok complaining about two lines of revenge. Party when I bring you fucking Renee Rapp. I bring you Aali'I Cravalo. Jaquel Spivey. This is why we can't have nice things.

[Matt Rogers]

Avantika. Avantika, Avantika.

[Bowen Yang]

She showed up to the after party yesterday. I was like.

[Matt Rogers]

She did.

[Bowen Yang]

I was like, that's fucking. That's her.

[Tina Fey]

Yeah. When the real. The original movie came out, she wasn't born.

[Matt Rogers]

No, this is. See, and I wonder if that's gonna happen is like, now we're gonna start watching it and it's gonna look like in terms of fashion, like, really dated. And I'm gonna be like, oh, my God. No. It's becoming the clueless of it all. Where you watch Clueless now and you're like, oh, can you imagine why wearing that? It's gonna be like that so soon.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no. But for me, like, the fashions of those movies are like frozen in amber. You know what I mean? It's all back now.

[Matt Rogers]

If you. If you walk out the room looking like Sharon Dion, you'll hit the coolest bitch at the party.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not even the loop back around. It's just like. No, that just kind of looks cool. In the world of the movie anyway. Okay, we end every episode with a song. It's not my fault.

[Matt Rogers]

You can sing only with me. It's not my fault.

[Bowen Yang]

Now who wouldn't want to fall in love with me?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm a moon.

[Bowen Yang]

Interest me. No, I don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, well, you should be off book. You should be off book, readers.

[Tina Fey]

Bye.

[Bowen Yang]

Bye. Las Culturistas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hasnier and Hans Sonny, produced by Becca Ramos.

[Bowen Yang]

Edited and mixed by Doug B. And Monique Laborde.

[Matt Rogers]

And our music is by Henry Kabirski. Hey, everybody, it's me, Matt Rogers, letting you know tickets are on sale now to see me on tour. The Prince of Christmas tour, that is. I'm doing my whole album. Have you heard of Christmas? Plus a lot more with the whole band all throughout December. Go to www.mattrogersofficial.com to see me in a city near.