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Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
“How The Salad Gets Tossed” (w/ Matt + Bowen)
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Matt Rogers
This is an iHeart podcast.
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Bowen Yang
This is Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers.
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Matt Rogers
From Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal.
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Bowen Yang
All right, readers, Katie's publicist finalist Kyle's it's time to talk about one of the most iconic payment brands out there. That's right, it's PayPal. PayPal lets you do you. Meaning you can pay your own way.
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Matt Rogers
PayPal offers people flexibility on how they can pay. Once you click the PayPal button, you can choose from a bunch of payment.
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Bowen Yang
Options, including paying later with PayPal at millions of online stores.
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Matt Rogers
Iconic Pay in store, pay online, pay overtime. Don't just pay PayPal.
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Bowen Yang
Learn more@paypal.com do you know what the.
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Matt Rogers
Perfect addition is to any party?
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Bowen Yang
What?
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Matt Rogers
A Casamigos margarita.
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Bowen Yang
Everyone loves a Casamigos margarita. She really is that girl.
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Matt Rogers
It's true. Everyone can get behind her.
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Bowen Yang
She's a little tangy, She's a little sweet. She's good any which way Anything goes with my Casamigos and that's rule of culture number 87.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
This episode of Las Colduristas is brought.
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Matt Rogers
To you by Malibu 501 shouldn't just mean the end of work, it should mean the beginning of fun.
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Bowen Yang
Yes, with a Malibu cocktail, it's like a mini vacation without ever getting on.
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Matt Rogers
A plane because you deserve to unplug, disconnect and live in the moment.
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Bowen Yang
I love to enjoy a cocktail with my friends at a local watering hole, a classier bar, or at home.
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Matt Rogers
I'm gonna say it. The beach could be an amazing place to drink.
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Bowen Yang
Clock off with Malibu because life's too short not to do whatever tastes. Sip easy and dormal boo responsibly.
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Matt Rogers
Copyright 2025 imported by Pernod Ricard USA New York, New York.
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Bowen Yang
Look, man.
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Matt Rogers
Where? Oh, I see my eye. Oh, my. Bowen, look over there.
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Bowen Yang
Wow.
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Matt Rogers
Is that the culture? Yes.
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Bowen Yang
Goodness.
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Matt Rogers
Wow.
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Bowen Yang
Las culturistas.
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Matt Rogers
Calling. They've had a full day, the two of them. I want you to know how hard we are at work on the Culture Awards.
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Bowen Yang
We are busting our ass.
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Matt Rogers
Holes.
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Bowen Yang
Holes. I am a crater down there because of culture rewards in the best way.
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Matt Rogers
You know, I have been. So I'm just gonna get into it.
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Bowen Yang
Get into it. Cause one of the things we're gonna talk about sex.
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Matt Rogers
I was gonna say, I've been so horny.
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Bowen Yang
Great.
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Matt Rogers
Have you? No.
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Bowen Yang
I actually need to talk to my therapist about this moment. Cause I. I get horny through travel, and then I realize that the wires are all a little bit messed up. So, full disclosure. When I was in London, I was just like, you know what? Back in the day, I would frequent a bathhouse every now and then. So I went to the sweat box, which is. And then immediately, once I got to the showers downstairs, got recognized by some lovely DC Gay.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah, can't do it.
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Bowen Yang
And I was like, gotta go. Yeah, that's tough.
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Matt Rogers
I think Joel Kim Booster had a joke about being too famous for an orgy, Right?
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Bowen Yang
Oh, I love that.
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Matt Rogers
And I was always like, oh, Joel.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, Joel. Couldn't possibly relate to him, his sexcapades. But now I do finally listen.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, it's a good thing, I guess. Means careers are going great. You know what's funny to me? Like, when I physically get tired, I actually am a lot hornier. I don't know what that is. I remember being back in the day when I would, like, jam this schedule with morning activities. I would just get home and I would be physically very horny. But that's hard to reconcile with being actually, like, totally sapped by the day. Because your body is like, ugh. I want to, like, engage in the act. But you're, like, emotionally like, but I can't call someone over. Cause that's a huge part of hooking up, is actually getting someone over, is.
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Bowen Yang
The movement is like the literal movements of bodies. Good luck. AI with that.
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Matt Rogers
I say, yeah, that's one thing they can't take. Well, I guess they could.
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Bowen Yang
I don't know. Fucking a robot to me will never have the same. I'm just taking it all the way to, like, the fullest potential of this apparent technology. Like, a hole's a whole. But I also feel like there's just something about being a human connection to me. At least that. At least, like, I'm still there with sex, where I'm like, it cannot be disconnected from. Even though I just said I went to a bathhouse, but even then, it needs to be, well, you hope to.
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Matt Rogers
Make a friend, I hope to make a friend.
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Bowen Yang
Well, it's gotta be a per. If there's a robot in the bathhouse, I go, well, good luck. You're gonna fritz out in about two seconds with this steam in this place.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah, this isn't gonna go well for you, sister. I say to the AI Remember when Joaquin Phoenix nodded with Scarlett Johansson, though, in the film her. The seminal film her.
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Bowen Yang
But her voice was so good in that.
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Matt Rogers
I'm just saying Scarlett's voice.
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Bowen Yang
Well, it was Scarlet's sexual timbre. Oh, my gosh. I just wanna say I love Scarlet's vocal journey through her career. Like, if you go back and watch Ghost World and Lost in Translation, it's like it is at a different octave. And I do love that it's sort of developed this depth over the years.
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Matt Rogers
We have to have her on to ask about her vocal journey.
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Bowen Yang
Yes. I think she.
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Matt Rogers
And the title of that for the Scarlett Johansson episode, whenever it happens, is already Vocal Journey.
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Bowen Yang
Vocal Journey. But I just want to say to your point about the energy, like, I am always. I'm going to say horny in theory.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah, me too.
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Bowen Yang
And then it gets to that point in the conversation where let's say you're on an app, on a hookup app, when discussion opens up about movements, about who should go to whom, that's when I'm like, oh. Actually, to call back to our Cola Skoll episode, more on Cole in a minute. We go, emergency with my closest friends.
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Matt Rogers
I just realized I'm having an emergency with my closest friend.
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Bowen Yang
But that's a date. That was a date. That was different.
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Matt Rogers
That's a date thing. But, I mean, it could be a sex thing if it gets true. But there's sometimes when, like, yeah, it just all falls apart when even the second of reality is introduced and they're like, why is AI taking over? Oh, my God.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, my God.
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Matt Rogers
You know, to speak about Cole. Here's the thing about Cole. Cole Escola is a Tony Award winner.
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Bowen Yang
Wow.
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Matt Rogers
Most deserving award of all time. I mean. And you know, what was so great about it was I obviously, you know, saw them hit the red carpet looking stunning, and just there was something about seeing them on the carpet, and I just had to sit back and I really got emotional because it actually reminded me about the entire reason why I love Cole in the first place. Why They've always been one of my heroes, since when we started comedy, was because they remind you that there aren't actually fucking rules.
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Bowen Yang
Uh huh huh.
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Matt Rogers
It's like there is no fucking rule as to what you're supposed to wear, what you're supposed to create, how you're supposed to do the decorum of the award show. It actually re inspired me for the culture awards. I was like, right, exactly. If they ever had a big fucking idea, they went for it. I'm sure there are always checkpoints. Like, there are for everyone about like, ooh, is this weird? Is this too much? Are people gonna get this? But screaming the word yes to your big idea and what your instinct is, is what reminded me the other night, like, why I love Cole and why Cole is so special and important, and I'm so fucking proud of them. It couldn't happen to a better person.
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Bowen Yang
I think it is amazing to think about Cole Escola beating George Clooney.
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Matt Rogers
It was a wonderful little, little box moment. At the award shows.
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Bowen Yang
We love George.
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Matt Rogers
Love George.
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Bowen Yang
At the Oscars for theater.
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Matt Rogers
The Oscars for theater, that's the Tony awards. I mean, it's roller coaster number 50. The Oscars for theater, that's the Tony awards.
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Bowen Yang
But just to place last night's Tonys as another sort of coordinate in the plane of award shows, that was a fantastic program. Top to bottom, so fucking good. And it flew by to me, I was like, oh, it's already 11. Okay.
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Matt Rogers
I mean, someone said earlier, like, the Tonys are the best award show. And I was like, oh, yeah. And I'm thinking of it like, oh, I'm glad they're excited. And then I was watching it and I was like, no, actually, it is the best award show. Cause it's literally built around incredible live performance and people that are incredibly capable on screen of executing this stuff reliably day in and day out. So just to know that just around the corner was another slay of a performance was, you know, and to have Cynthia threading the whole thing. So poised, elegant, talented. The standard of excellence is already so high for her, and she manages to rise above it and raise the bar again and again and again. The humor felt like totally in the pocket.
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Bowen Yang
Just really good 10 out of 10, I think for Cynthia. I think for the whole show. God, that in memoriam was a fucking punch to the gut and everything. Cynthia getting two applause breaks on her jokes while she was in the mezzanine. I think both about Jonathan Groff's spit. Like that is. That's delivery Capital D delivery.
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Matt Rogers
Yeah, she was excellent. And also, the way to open a show is always debated. Like, we're even debating it right now. And you have to be so excellent to open a show like that with an original song, because you have to make sure that not only is the person, like, incredibly good at, you know, executing live television, but it's a song no one's heard. And to get that across, just the way that she communicates as a singer. There's so many things to say about how brilliant she is as a vocalist, but what I was struck by was she's communicating, like, a new story and a new idea to an audience. And at the end, we were watching it at our friend's house. We were, like, applauding. We were like, yes, this song that we will remember.
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Bowen Yang
It was truly, truly fantastic. I'm just gonna say something. Even the purely stuff, I was like, I love it. Go off purely. If any company is gonna, like, own a lot of real estate at the Tonys, the fact that it's an iced tea company, I go, why not? There really could be worse things.
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Matt Rogers
Oh, absolutely. And there are. There's so many worse than. Than. Than pure leaf iced tea. Having a lot of real estate on.
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Bowen Yang
The Tony Awards, for example, famine get so much worse.
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Matt Rogers
So much worse. So much worse to even put them in the same conversation. You're joking.
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Bowen Yang
You know what I'm saying?
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Matt Rogers
It's like, you must be kidding.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, I guess the only real note that we have. But this is just in terms of, like. This is something that, like, they couldn't have possibly forecast in terms of vibes.
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Matt Rogers
But playing.
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Bowen Yang
Playing everybody off, I think could have just been traditional. I appreciate what they were trying to do, build it into, like, Cynthia's monologue, but I think just a standard little orchestral, even a track could have been just fine, but I think it was just a mismanagement of, like, what that would be like and, like, the vibe of the room, which you can never know until the day of, especially in.
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Matt Rogers
A time like now where there is a lot of urgency in terms of what people might say in these speeches and people. People might want to, like, leave an end on something really poignant to build into the show. That you're actually going to cut people off even with a joke is kind of not really the move. And I haven't seen it work in recent award shows, so I'm surprised they tried it here. Finally, we have an end to the debate of who's winning best actress in a musical. It was Nicole. I applaud this. I mean, I think both of their performances, I thought Nicole and Audra's performances were the highlights of the evening. And I think you saw plain as day why they were the ones that were being talked about the whole time. I would have loved to have seen Boop. A performance from Boop. Because Boop is a lot of fun. And Jasmine, Amy Rogers, had she won, it would have been totally justified. The girl is so fucking talented and so good in this show. But Nicole's, as if we never said goodbye was truly the performance of her career. I mean, and she's performed live on television so many times in so many memorable ways, in a variety of ways, but that you could tell her entire career had led up to that moment. And I'm so happy she did that song because she's like, no, I'm gonna do the song from this show. I'm gonna give it. And similarly to Audra, I had been really wondering which number from Gypsy they were gonna do. I was nervous that they were gonna do something like some people and miss the opportunity to really show what Audra McDonald is made of. And when they pulled it up the curtain and it was Rose's turn, I was like, oh, here we go. And I mean, she did not disappoint. She gave all of herself plus half. I mean, it was sick.
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Bowen Yang
Yeah. I mean, so many things about. We're recording this on Monday. So many things about last night felt historic. I don't know, it was just like, oh, my God. Or was just like different threads of history being braided together, where it was like, you have someone like Audra, you have someone like Nicole who feels like a vet, but kind of is still just kind of making her mark on theater. I feel like even like Michael Arden winning, it's like, oh, this is. You're rewarding someone who has put years and years and years into, like, executing his vision on Broadway so many times. I don't know. It just was a cool night. I loved it.
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Matt Rogers
He's so brilliant. Michael Arden, like, I saw maybe Happy Ending. And congrats to Darren Criss on his super well deserved award as well. Like, the fact that he did Parade and maybe Happy Ending, like, two years in a row is like, okay, that guy can do anything. And that's while saying, I would have been just as excited for Jamie Lloyd to win for Sunset Boulevard, a show that, like, blew me away. And so happy that won for best revival. Yeah, just, like, so much excellence going on. And I read a statistic that you can never really take highest grossing to mean anything nowadays because all the prices are so much higher. Like, so it's kind of like to say that something was the highest grossing year on record doesn't really mean anything anymore because everything is so, you know, prohibitively expensive. But I also read that it was the best attended Broadway season in a long time. So it means that there were the most buts in, and it does feel like there's a renewed energy around it. And it's been a really good, solid few years for Broadway, which is obviously a good thing.
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Bowen Yang
And it means that we're coming to.
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Matt Rogers
Ruin it, and we're coming to Broadway to ruin it. The second you think it's going to be good. We're coming, we're coming. We're hitting the stage. All right, everybody, the Tony nominations are out now, which means we have homework. There's so much to see, and you can see it all with Today Ticks. I mean, that best leading actress in a musical category, it's got some real heavyweights. And you can see all these shows logging on and using Today Tics. It's gonna be a bloodbath in a positive theatrical way. Picture this. You're in the city, you got a free night, and you're craving a night out at the theater. You want something exciting, something fresh, but you don't want to spend hours in line or pay an arm and a leg for tickets. What do you do? You pull out your phone, open the Ticks app, and just like that, you're booking tickets to a Broadway show or an off Broadway gem. No stress, no hassle, just instant access to the best live theater in town. Stuff like Sunset Boulevard, Gypsy Death becomes her and Boop. That's the magic of Today Ticks. With exclusive deals and a super easy to use app, getting your hands on tickets has never been easier. And whether you're planning ahead or making a spontaneous decision to catch a show tonight, Today Tix has got you covered. You can grab tickets for all kinds of performances, from the hottest Broadway hits to the hidden gems you might not have discovered yet. Honestly, it couldn't be easier. I whipped that bang out, meaning the app, and I am soaring to the theater. It truly is very easy to use. It's user friendly in that way. Go to todayticks.com dingdong and use promo code dingdong to get $20 off your first Today Ticks purchase. That's promo code ding dong at todaytix t I x.com ding dong todaytix.com ding dong this podcast is sponsored by PayPal.
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Bowen Yang
All right readers Katie's publicist finalist Kyle's it's time to talk about one of the most iconic payment brands out there. That's right, it's PayPal. PayPal lets you do you meaning you can pay your own way with just a click.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
Hmm. Another way to pay is with your PayPal Debit Mastercard. You can use it online or in store and earn 5% cash back on up to $1,000 spent in the monthly category. You choose, like a payroll or R shares. 5% cash back on a ride home from a messy first date.
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
You need to educate everybody on this because this is something I was never familiar with. But I need to know now.
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Matt Rogers
Do you guys remember that Nicole Scherzinger. So for years she's had to be a chameleon because she started out as a reality show contestant on Pop Star. She got in the group Eden's Crush Over Yourself Goodbye. That song, they had like that one hit. There was like a period of downtime. She was in the Pussycat Dolls and I remembered her from Eden's Crush. Even then she's obviously a huge success as the member of the Pussycat Dolls. Then that ends, she tries her solo career. It goes iffy in everywhere but the UK where she becomes like a thing. So she's a judge on a UK X Factor in such a significant way and Simon likes her so much that they tried to do us X Factor and she's a judge on that with Paul Abdul, L.A. reid and Simon Cowell. And there's a moment.
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Bowen Yang
This is pre Britney, right?
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Matt Rogers
This is pre Britney.
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Bowen Yang
Yes. Okay.
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Matt Rogers
This was the first season of US X Factor and it was Nicole.
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Bowen Yang
Okay, keep going.
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Matt Rogers
It was Nicole Scherzinger was a judge and she. There was a thing at the end of US X Factor where the bottom two vote getters, it wasn't revealed who got the lowest votes but they would have to have like a sing off and then the judges would decide based on the sing off who was going through the round. And I remember it's this. It was at the time she was 10. Her name was Rachel Crowe. Her name is Rachel Crowe. And she sang I'd Rather Go Blind by etta James, a 10 year old. And she gave it, she sang it like a 50 year old woman and she gave her entire life. And then the other guy sings whatever his name I believe was Marcus. And then they go to Nicole Scherzinger and she's supposed to make this decision between the two of them. This 10 year old girl who had just given everything to this song and Nicole can't do it. She was like, I can't. I have to put it to the public vote. And they put it to the public vote and the 10 year old girl loses. Her eyes widen in shock.
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Bowen Yang
Oh God, no.
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Matt Rogers
She hits the ground and is screaming at her mother, you promised me.
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Bowen Yang
Oh no.
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Matt Rogers
And it cuts back to the judges table and Nicole Scherzinger is in hysterics, sobbing in Paula Abdul's arms while Simon Cowell looks on and he realizes that the US X Factor has failed. They cut to the commercial and it's a Pepsi logo and the show ends. And the word Pepsi couldn't have been bigger. I said this was the most.
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Bowen Yang
That was her last iconic moment.
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Matt Rogers
Then I guess she, you know, did masked singer and then she did lots of things on the, on the uk West End, et cetera. But I'll never forget that moment in her career because last night sitting there, I'm just thinking about the totality of Nicole Scherzinger and it is so many things, but that is a top five Nicole Scherzinger moment for me. A person who has a top five Nicole Scherzinger moments list.
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Bowen Yang
Yes. Now Simon Cowell, they cut to him, he realized he has a gaze that implies that he understands that you it's over. But then they would come back the.
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Matt Rogers
Next season with Britney and fifth Harmony.
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Bowen Yang
Was created, I think. Was that the last season of X Factor?
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Matt Rogers
I think it only had two seasons. Maybe it had three.
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Bowen Yang
I'm Actually unclear because Demi Lovato was on that too.
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Matt Rogers
Yes, yes, yes. Okay. So this is what it was. Because it's the second season of S Factor had Demi Lovato and Britney Spears both.
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Bowen Yang
And Ellie Reid. Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Yes. And that's when Fifth Harmony was created. Because there was a moment where Demi Lovato says, only one of you is giving. And Khloe Kardashian, who was added as a host. This is a fucking mad library. Goes to Demi Lovato. Wait, who did you think was the one that was giving? And Demi Lovato just sits there and points to Camila Cabello and says her.
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Bowen Yang
Wow.
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Matt Rogers
You.
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Bowen Yang
Wow. Wow.
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Matt Rogers
And the rest of the girls in Fifth Harmony sort of look at Camila, who's like.
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Bowen Yang
We haven't really responded to. I have not really looked into the details, but thoughts on the reunion besides a sans Camila?
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Matt Rogers
I mean, I get why they're doing it, but.
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Bowen Yang
Uh huh, uh huh.
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Matt Rogers
The Normani of it all continues to completely blow my mind. I do not know how that didn't work out as a solo thing.
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Bowen Yang
I know, it's interesting, huh? It's like, in a way, what was her name? Susan Crowe.
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Matt Rogers
Rachel Crowe.
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Bowen Yang
Rachel Crowe. First of all, so many things I think of Gypsy when she screams at her mother, you promised.
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Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah.
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Bowen Yang
I also think of this idea that this is why Cole winning a Tony is so incredible. It's like nothing is promised, especially in show business. But just in terms of the Normani, I'm connecting all these dots very haphazardly, but in terms of Normani and the Fifth Harmony reunion, it's like. And why that did not take off the way that we all hoped it would and wanted it to in some ways is that hard work can only get you so far. You know what I mean?
- [25:15]
Matt Rogers
But the thing is, I think she did work her fucking ass off. I just think she didn't like her thing that succeeded.
- [25:22]
Bowen Yang
Right, Right.
- [25:23]
Matt Rogers
Cause what I had heard was motivation popped off and everyone was like, oh, my God, Normani is here. Like, it is about Normani now. And she thought it was too pop or she didn't think it was R and B enough. It wasn't the type of artist that she wanted to be. She didn't even like the video, you know what I mean? All the really successful elements of that were her being like, well, I don't want to be well known for these things. Like, I don't like what this is. So I guess you kind of have to respect someone who's like, look, I understand that this is gonna be the thing.
- [25:59]
Bowen Yang
But I stay true to herself.
- [26:00]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. Like, I was just. This is the most random pull ever. And it's one of the gayest transitions of all time. I was watching an interview with Brenda Song.
- [26:09]
Bowen Yang
Oh, love.
- [26:13]
Matt Rogers
And she was saying years ago, like, apparently she booked, like, the lead of this huge film franchise, but at the same time got offered the, like, two scene role she had in Social Network. And she was like, I wanna work with David Fincher. Even though this is a small part, I'm not taking the lead of this franchise. That I guess her agents had busted their ass to get her. And then as a result of her making that decision, they dropped her. But now she's a part of the Social Network, which is one of the most relevant films in pop culture at that time. And, you know, probably in the last couple decades. You know what I mean? So who's to say she didn't make the best decision holistically? Also, she made the decision that she was gonna stand by. So with the Normani of it all, it's like, yeah, I mean, she had a huge hit and something that looked to everyone else like it made sense, but if it didn't make sense to her, then maybe that's the question. That's the answer to the question of, like, what happened there. It's just. She didn't want to be that.
- [27:15]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. These are vital questions for anyone to ask themselves, including us.
- [27:21]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. Like, do we. I mean. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it can actually. Maybe I'll speak to something. So it's. It's funny because did you see last week? I don't even know if I should be going here, but I'm gonna go here.
- [27:33]
Bowen Yang
Go.
- [27:34]
Matt Rogers
Like, last week, Andy had on Hoda.
- [27:37]
Bowen Yang
On Watch what Happens Live, and he was. He threw your name out there.
- [27:41]
Matt Rogers
He threw my name out there. To take over for Jenna. I mean, not for Jenna to take over for. With Jenna.
- [27:47]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [27:47]
Matt Rogers
And Hoda was like, yeah, Matt Rogers is great. And all of a sudden, I was. I was sitting there watching it, and I was just like, oh, my God, they're talking about me job.
- [27:55]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [27:55]
Matt Rogers
And I thought that it was, like, it was really interesting because I was like, oh. I thought everyone was just being nice by saying, oh, you should do this permanently. You should do. Because. Because they say that on, like, if you go to, like, the Today Show, Instagram, it's like, every time there's a guest job, there's a. There's a guest.
- [28:12]
Bowen Yang
Sure.
- [28:13]
Matt Rogers
It's like, they should be permanent. They should be permanent. Yeah, I thought that was just, like, a silly thing that people were saying to be nice to me. And I did think it went well, but then when they were talking about it up there, I was like, oh, that's so interesting to have people talk about something that you should be doing or you're right for or, like, you know, that no one's even asked me if I would want to do it.
- [28:32]
Bowen Yang
Totally. On the one hand, it's like a compliment. On the other hand, it is this, like, total compliment. But on the other hand, it's this kind of, like, quote unquote fan casting that, like, could make you feel a certain way. You know what I mean? And it's like, it's not. It's like, not up to. It's not in your control or it's not even up to you, like, what the outcome is or like what the conversation. What the tone of the conversation is. Does that make sense?
- [28:55]
Matt Rogers
Yes. Well, it's. I think you probably experience. Well, I know you experience it, and we do not have to get into it, and we won't, but I feel like SNL is also one of the only jobs in entertainment where a lot of people can weigh in about, like, who's staying, who's going, who's getting hired, who's getting fired, why are they leaving? And it's really interesting, I think, for that to be an element of, like, what you do as a job. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of interesting. I'm not saying it's good or bad. And I've participated in speculation like that, obviously. Like, we have this podcast, you know what I'm saying? Then suddenly when it's something that's knocking on your door, you're like, oh, wow. Like, it's just interesting. It's a new feeling.
- [29:38]
Bowen Yang
Yes. How do you feel in that feeling?
- [29:40]
Matt Rogers
Wow. Did you see that text we just got?
- [29:42]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, we gotta. We got a fun text.
- [29:45]
Matt Rogers
Someone just confirmed for the Culture Awards, and it's gonna be a lot of fun. Someone we don't really know that well.
- [29:50]
Bowen Yang
I know. But I'm excited.
- [29:51]
Matt Rogers
There's lots of exciting things happening.
- [29:54]
Bowen Yang
We are really, really, really committed to making this a fun show. And the artist presale went out very quickly. We're so grateful. We're sorry if it was frustrating for anybody in terms of procuring them, but the sort of end goal of all this is that this can be shared with everyone. We've said this in the past, but I think it bears repeating that it's gonna Be great. Everyone's gonna be pleased.
- [30:17]
Matt Rogers
We hope it's gonna be the most fun. Thank you for selling it the fuck out yet again, like you guys do. You guys are the best. It'll be the best one yet for sure. You know what? I finally got to watch all of which we were in, but I didn't get to actually consume as a whole. Was overcompensating.
- [30:32]
Bowen Yang
Have you watched I am up to our episode? Yeah.
- [30:36]
Matt Rogers
It's funny because the one thing I had been hearing was, what year is it? What year is it? Can I say one of my favorite things about the show is that we don't know what year it is. I think it's like one of the most fun things about it. It's like her singing My Chemical Romance.
- [30:49]
Bowen Yang
Yes. I like that it's a. That in that way. It's this meta comment on, like, this could be any year.
- [30:55]
Matt Rogers
You know what? Because it can. And I feel like. And I'll just talk openly and honestly about this because there were some people I was talking to that were like, oh, he's. It's about him coming out of the closet. Like, how is that going to play in 2025? People forget that. And it's resonating so much with so many people because maybe you, the royal. You feel like you're beyond that conversation about, like, being accepted and, you know, it being a normal thing to be gay. But not everyone is. No, Like, I feel like our culture, like really warp speed, like, traveled through. You know what it means to like, the love simony type of gay thing. Right. It's like. And I remember the discourse at the time was like, oh, this is an incredibly, like, like white gay experience. He had, like, incredibly accepting parents, et cetera. Like, it didn't seem like it was that hard for him in et cetera. But I remember at the time being like, right, but you do need something like this in order to broach the subject on, like, a commercial way. And all these years have gone by and you see like, the story about, like, you know, this kid. He's a very attractive guy. He's obviously smart. He goes to Georgetown. He still has an incredibly difficult time coming out. And, yeah, you don't know when it takes place. But I think that that's all outside of the fact, which is that people wanna see stories whether they're gay and it's coming out or whatever about. I'm not sure if I'm my true self, if people are gonna accept me. And that does. It's less about, like, it being a queer thing or whatever. Because the central question of the show is, are people gonna love me if I really show them who I am? Yeah. And that is universal.
- [32:34]
Bowen Yang
And the reason why, I mean, look, we've done a lot of press about our projects where we're like, oh, we're just so refreshed that we're involved in something that is not like a. Like there are other queer stories to be told. But the appeal of a coming out story is always that it is legibly about a completely internal sort of like, journey.
- [32:54]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [32:54]
Bowen Yang
That is what makes Overcompensating a compelling show. It's like, oh, you don't have to see this guy be out of the closet just yet. There are in fact, like, the Owen Theeley character. Theal character is like the perfect sort of like, foil to that. Where it's like, where it does make it somewhat relevant to now, where it's like, in a world that seems like it is, people have already figured themselves out ahead of you. Like, how does that make you feel? I feel this way still. As a queer person, I'm like, wow, I am so stunted in all these different ways. I feel completely insecure about all these things. Like, that is. And I've been out of the closet for half my life now. It's like, this is an incredibly universal thing. And that is probably what they discussed when they were trying to figure out the story of the series.
- [33:39]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. So I have made it to the end and I'm just gonna say spoiler alert, like, because maybe not everyone's at the end, but in the final episode of the show, like, Benito goes over to Owen, who, like, Benito, I'll say something about both their performances in a second after I get through this, which I'm so blown away by everybody in the show. But Benito goes up to Owen after he's, you know, kind of denied that they're friends in front of some straight guys. Some straight guys see Benito talking to Owen and they go, oh, are you guys friends? And Benito says, no, we're not friends, like, right in front of him and disregards him. And Owen just really comfortably and just casually just like, denies Benito when he tries to, like, you know, pick up, like they've, you know, nothing has happened, et cetera. And, you know, it's kind of just this moment where this out gay kid who really knows himself is able to just like, sort of be the person who makes Benito like, say, I need to change what's going on. I just, I guess it's a word Salad here. But what I'm remembering is when I went to college and I was that kid, the thing that hurt me the most was when the out gay kids were looking at me like, we see you, and it's pathetic. Oh, you know what I mean? Like, and that hurt more than any straight guy testing me or, you know, pushing my buttons. Cause they felt like they knew something about me or any of my girlfriends being a little too knowing, you know? Like, what really got to me was when an out gay person who felt realized, looked at me and was like, no. And then the rejection coming from them was like the most painful thing. And I do think that is the point, obviously, in the series where it's not long after that that things change.
- [35:39]
Bowen Yang
Well, that rejection from an out queer person, let's say, just pushes you a little bit further into the closet, in my opinion. Whereas, like, you talking to a girlfriend who might know something, or you kind of like, I don't know, duking it out mentally with a straight guy who's trying to uncover something, that's you holding the line. That's you holding the line of who you are. I get to control how much I reveal. But then someone judging you or someone thinking that you are being pathetic in the way that you're trying to negotiate this is, I think, only kind of alienates you.
- [36:15]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [36:16]
Bowen Yang
And alienates Benito's character, probably. I have not gotten to that episode yet.
- [36:19]
Matt Rogers
It's just like, I remember, like, I was watching it in the beginning, and I was like, oh, is he gonna stay closeted like the whole season? And I knew we were in episode six where he was still dealing with that, and he was kind of seeing our characters in secret. Cause it was like his first Grinder hookup. But I mean, my truth was. And I think your truth was. And I can speak for both of us here, is we remained in the closet the entirety of our freshman year. I was obviously a little bit more complicated for you because you had come out prior and it was whatever. But I remember the thing that I can. And if this is like a truthful depiction of what someone like this is, freshman year is like is. Yeah. I mean, it might not have been what everyone would have wanted, but I stayed in that fucking closet and talked in a voice like the one he's using in that show for the entirety of freshman year to the point where it was physically painful. And the fact that he could hold that much discomfort in his body and in his voice and in his performance, like, I don't know, my hat is off to him because it's not a fun place to live and it's not where he naturally lives now, knowing him.
- [37:28]
Bowen Yang
Totally. I mean, but he, I saw him over the weekend and I was just like, God, there have been so many moments where I've like gone back 15 seconds or just paused on frames. Like, he's a really gifted actor, just an incredible actor and so, so amazing what he's done. Just as this creator and the star. We're just so happy. We're just so happy for him. It's just really nice to see like the community sort of rallying around this too.
- [37:55]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. And you know what I was thinking? Cause I also was pulling that. I was like, wow, it seems like a lot of the queer community, a lot of gay guys are like out here saying, like, I watched this show, I loved this show. I felt good watching the show. I felt seen watching the show in a way that made me feel really happy and actually reminded me of the reception that we got from Fire Island. Like, I felt like gay guys were not being shy about saying that they loved it and that they watched it and that they were supporting it. And I just feel like sometimes it can feel, you know, from project to project that the narrative changes a little bit and sometimes can err on the side of, oh, gay guys don't support each other. Or like, you know, gay guys are the cruelest to each other in media. And I do think in some regard that is true. Like certainly if I ever, you know, want to self immolate and I want to feel bad about myself, I'll go on. And I know for a fact that the nasty things that are being said about like us or me or our projects are from gay guys.
- [38:59]
Bowen Yang
And.
- [39:00]
Matt Rogers
But I really do just want to shout out the fact that like, lots of gay guys support queer projects. Like, lots of queer people are out here doing that. And I don't want it to get lost in the discussion of like, oh, you know, gay guys can't support other gay guys unless they're drag queens or porn stars. Like, I don't want it to get lost. That that's not really true. And I really. And like, I feel like if I were bonito or if I'm myself or if I'm anyone out here with a queer project, like, like, I wouldn't want to toss like queer people like gay men under the bus that are supporting that when I do know for a fact that that happens.
- [39:34]
Bowen Yang
I mean, I don't know, I was going to generalize and say like a Lot of that animus comes from this insecurity or something. Or something internalized, whatever. But I also don't want to, like, sometimes the gay guys are cruel and critical. For good reason, perhaps.
- [39:51]
Matt Rogers
For good reasons, of course.
- [39:51]
Bowen Yang
Maybe. Obviously those are some cases. But you're right, I agree with you. I mean, I felt it from a lot of CIS gay guys shout out.
- [40:03]
Matt Rogers
Like, I don't know, couldn't live without.
- [40:05]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [40:06]
Matt Rogers
I went to the Betty who concert and it was all gay men, of course, and we both played Webster hall. And I was just thinking about when the last time I was at Webster hall, which was my show, my Christmas show, and it was all. It was all Katies, it was all women. And I was like, it's so funny because, like, I'm here at this Betty who show and it's wall to wall gay guys in tank tops being like, it's pride. And we're at the Betty who show and we know the choreo and we're obsessed. And by the way, shout out to Betty who gets better and fucking better.
- [40:37]
Bowen Yang
I f ing love her.
- [40:39]
Matt Rogers
You're incredible. And I was a gay guy at your show. Woo. And I was happy to be. But then I was just thinking, I was like, I wonder what it would feel like for this many gay guys and gay guys to show up for me. Oh, I thought to myself, you know what though? They did. They did. Maybe they weren't at the front, but there was tons of gay guys at my show. And I don't want to keep telling myself the story that like, gay guys don't support other gay guys. Because it's not true.
- [41:03]
Bowen Yang
No, they're definitely were. I opened Grindr that night. I was like, whoa, the grid is all within 200ft.
- [41:10]
Matt Rogers
You open Grindr at my show.
- [41:12]
Bowen Yang
I got to delete it. I'm on it too much. And it's like people.
- [41:15]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [41:16]
Bowen Yang
And, and, and 75% of my messages. This is just a. This is not a complaint. It's just like my landscape. It's just 75% of people being like, is this real? Oh my God, you're brave. I'm like, no, I'm a horny in theory, at all times gay guy.
- [41:30]
Matt Rogers
That is, I think something that I could ask people to strike from their personal thing is like, is this really you about the people?
- [41:38]
Bowen Yang
What I say is I'd be the most random. Actually, I'd be the most random gay person of. Of note, of recognition to catfish us that.
- [41:51]
Matt Rogers
I kind of feel like that too. It's like, why Wouldn't you just pick Matt Bomer this podcast is sponsored by PayPal.
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It'S summer. Summer is. We've really flipped you and I.
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Matt Rogers
You. You're not feeling good.
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Bowen Yang
I am not feeling good about this summer and that's okay. And it will all blow over. I am like in the gallows. It's. Something's going on and I got to talk to my therapist about it. I think I am depressed because all I want to do is when. Is just play video games when I get up. Thanks to my Switch 2 from Nintendo. Thank you for abetting my depression, Nintendo.
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Matt Rogers
That's just like a way that you like to spend your time. So you. You waking up and like, wanting to do that is just like, I think what you're craving is the. The time to do that. But like, you know, it's obviously been. It's been cuckoo crazy schedule time. But, you know, I. I was just.
- [47:11]
Bowen Yang
Kind of going through it bullet point by bullet point with you last night, and I had not actually said the words out loud or just like gone through it beat by beat until then. And it was like, whoa. The last seven months have been as eroding as they have been maybe ever. Like, I might be in an even. This is not to scare anybody, but, like, I think I am. I'm just managing it better for sure. This is like. I'm like, oh, God. This is just. I'm reminded of that place that I was at when I needed to take a break from the podcast. And I'm not saying that's what's gonna happen, but I'm like, oh, yai. I really need to just keep crawling and it will be okay. Cause that got better and this will get better. And I'm just being real with my sister and my wonderful, wonderful, wonderful community of readers, Katie's publicists and finalists and Kyle's that, yeah, I'm crisped up, but it's okay. The meat will tenderize soon.
- [48:10]
Matt Rogers
I know. And I want you to know that I know you know this.
- [48:12]
Bowen Yang
You've noticed. You've clocked it.
- [48:14]
Matt Rogers
Well, it's not even about me noticing. It's just about you knowing that I'm here for you and that if you need anything and that if I. All I ask is that you just don't add anything. Just don't add anything. And that is in your control. That producer Becca says, we all love you. You.
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Bowen Yang
No, everyone's Becca, too. Becca had a fun weekend. Do you think, Becca, do you think we would be allowed to go to the Puerto Rican pride festivities next year?
- [48:40]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, my God, please. It looks so fun. It is.
- [48:44]
Matt Rogers
I brought a huge crew of people.
- [48:47]
Bowen Yang
I would love to go.
- [48:49]
Matt Rogers
And then we'll show up and they'll be like, what's their name? It was a myriad of people across the diaspora.
- [48:57]
Bowen Yang
Not Latino. Dasper.
- [48:58]
Matt Rogers
Let me say that.
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Bowen Yang
Okay. Friends that were just like, this is so dope. And I want to be involved.
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Matt Rogers
I will say the Manhattan Parade is giving corporate stakeholders. Yeah, yeah.
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Bowen Yang
Like, all because that is the true party. Like, if you want to feel like you're on the island, you go to Bushwick. I love it. We camp out at Maria Hernandez Park. You see all bars souped up. Everyone's playing Bad Bunny at different locations. Yeah.
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Matt Rogers
Wow. Multiple Bad Bunny streams going on at once. I don't just mean what I fantasize about. Exactly.
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Bowen Yang
I mean, there were rumors he was going to show up. He didn't. It's fine. Upset about it. But.
- [49:45]
Matt Rogers
He now occupies. There's like an iconic. You know, on Houston.
- [49:51]
Bowen Yang
The Calvin Klein has already. Yeah.
- [49:52]
Matt Rogers
Massive board that is like, whoever's the one at the time. And right now, there. There is a huge Bad Bunny.
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Bowen Yang
Oh.
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Matt Rogers
And there's a picture.
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Bowen Yang
Producer Anna has one.
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Matt Rogers
A picture of her pinching it.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, wow. Anna, you filthy dog.
- [50:08]
Matt Rogers
Now that's too much. We don't like that filthy humor. Not on Lost Coach. Not on Lost Colts. Not on Lost Cult. Do you think that the summer will be improved? We love you, Becca. Give it up for Becca.
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Bowen Yang
Everybody get up for Becca. Godsend.
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Matt Rogers
Do you think the summer will be improved by having a legitimate contender for Song of the Summer with Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter? Because not a single one of these other songs were legitimate contenders until now.
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Bowen Yang
No, you're right. I am so thrilled that Sabrina is already kind of locking in as an artist for as long as it makes her happy and fulfilled. Is one of those artists who is just not gonna really ever take any big break until she's ready to do that. I love that she's one of those girls who's like, I'm just gonna keep releasing tracks year round.
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Matt Rogers
She's ready for it. I feel like the thing that sets Sabrina apart from everyone is she actually had years to train for this shit.
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Bowen Yang
Oh, yeah.
- [51:09]
Matt Rogers
Mama is many albums deep. She now knows exactly who she is because she had the time to develop. Like, she wasn't bailed on by the industry. She wasn't like, embraced by the industry, but no one, it seems like it was like the slowest climb until it just snapped in. And now she is like bazooka with these hit songs. I guess the one thing a couple of my friends were saying was it feels like not a lot of a departure. But my thing is if you're locked and loaded with a bop, just release the bop. You know what I mean?
- [51:41]
Bowen Yang
I would say it's like, to me, it's giving 15 minutes, but with that 80s synth opening. Very good luck, babe. I love that blend of she's going out on. I think banjo licks. Love it fades out on banjo licks. But then it starts with these like that 80s kind of thing, and I'm like, oh, love that you synthesized something kind of of newish for us. I love it.
- [52:06]
Matt Rogers
I love her as like a low key country artist. Like, I love her like, super, like 9 to 5 aesthetic that she's giving. It felt like 9 to 5 on the road. It's felt like 9 to 5 meets like, Thelma and Louise. Like, woman of the 80s, early 90s thing. I love the video. It's one of my favorite music videos I've seen in a very long time. Just like the amount of setups. I was watching it, wondering. I was like, I wonder if this was storyboarded or they just like set up a million locations and then got everything. Either way, it is so much fun to watch. It's one that you could watch again and again and again and again and again and again. She's just fucking got it.
- [52:47]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. Star. Full star. We're obsessed.
- [52:50]
Matt Rogers
And Jack Antonoff, Amy Allen and Sabrina Carpenter. That's a trio that should just keep.
- [52:55]
Bowen Yang
Rocking, keep sticking together. Amy, yeah, she's everything. Grammy. Grammy winner, right? She won the Grammy.
- [53:02]
Matt Rogers
Yes. Songwriter of the year.
- [53:03]
Bowen Yang
Yep.
- [53:04]
Matt Rogers
She might be an interesting person to have on the podcast because, like, that's truly. That's truly like nuts and bolts. How this, how the sausage gets made. I almost said how the salad gets tossed. Yeah. Can I say it's definitely how the sausage gets made. It's not how the salad gets tossed.
- [53:20]
Bowen Yang
If she's got insights on how the salad gets tossed, I would love to hear that as well.
- [53:25]
Matt Rogers
I don't need any tips. Just kidding. Ew. God, I hate myself.
- [53:30]
Bowen Yang
Myself.
- [53:32]
Matt Rogers
Fucking hate myself. I did get a DM from a guy. No. Maybe it was a Grindr message and this is how, you know, it was getting too crazy on Grindr. That was like, I bet you're incredible at eating ass. And I was like, I gotta put the phone away.
- [53:46]
Bowen Yang
I gotta put the phone away. No. One guy recently was like, whatever, sent me a nude. I was like, great. And then he goes, yeah, you like that, faggot? And I was like, okay, well, now I do have to. I wish I was the kind of person who was. Were who was turned on by, like, full. I fully full sub. I don't think I'm full sub. Like, I don't like being called slurs.
- [54:08]
Matt Rogers
No. I don't like being called slurs or being told what kind of physical pain I'm in. Someone said to me recently, I can't wait to choke you and watch your beautiful eyes fill with tears. No. And I was like, well, thank you for elements of that sentence. You know what I mean? Like, it's great that you want to fuck me a lot. I'm so happy that you think my eyes are beautiful.
- [54:27]
Bowen Yang
I liked when you called me beautiful.
- [54:28]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, well, thanks for saying I'm beautiful. But then when I thought about choking, so. Well, first of all, I am on the record that I don't think so. Honey, choking, it's just for me.
- [54:39]
Bowen Yang
Right?
- [54:40]
Matt Rogers
And then someone was like, but don't you love poppers? I was like, yeah, I like to pop up. And they were like, well, you know, it's the kind of. The same.
- [54:46]
Bowen Yang
No, I wouldn't.
- [54:47]
Matt Rogers
Kind of same, like, idea is, like, cutting off circulation.
- [54:50]
Bowen Yang
And I was like, I don't know about that. I don't know. This is like a. This is danger. Like, I'm putting my hand around my throat. This is like. This is a little whatever. Like, our brains are evolved a certain way to register that as, like, a fear response.
- [55:07]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. Like, it's giving. Oh, no. You know what I mean? And that's. I guess I always need to be able to breathe. That's a big rule for me.
- [55:13]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. That you should be able to breathe.
- [55:15]
Matt Rogers
Need to breathe. Need to be able to breathe. At least have the opportunity.
- [55:19]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, I. I have to agree.
- [55:24]
Matt Rogers
Write that down later. Oh, write that down for later. One last culture. Finally.
- [55:32]
Bowen Yang
Well, we couldn't do on an overcompensating. Y' all, here's the tea.
- [55:37]
Matt Rogers
Should we say that we got the original script and we were like, can we pair this back in a little bit?
- [55:41]
Bowen Yang
The original script had us making out, and we were like, maybe the. That's a bridge too far. Both, like, I don't know. Just like, for us as friends and for just. I Think the scene itself, it would have been a gag.
- [55:53]
Matt Rogers
It made me nervous. I was like, I feel like if we ever kiss in film and media, it has to be on our terms. It can't be in someone else's project.
- [56:00]
Bowen Yang
Can I say in hindsight and not just because the show is a huge success, that would have been a fine place to be. Like, let's just go for it. You know what I mean?
- [56:08]
Matt Rogers
You know what I wish I had done? I wish I had ad libbed one thing, which is the last thing while I'm. While I'm. Spoiler alert. Jacking off on the Jonathan Adler rug.
- [56:17]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. Yeah.
- [56:18]
Matt Rogers
I wish I had said, I am so in love with you.
- [56:23]
Bowen Yang
I love that.
- [56:24]
Matt Rogers
I wish I had said something along the lines, like, you're my husband. That was so crazy, girl.
- [56:32]
Bowen Yang
Wait, you know what Benny said to me? He was like, like. And I was like, shut the fuck up. Because he was being sweet, but it was like a compliment. That didn't sound like a compliment until later. But he was like, oh, my God, Bowen. Like, I just have to tell you, like, you. Like, in the script, it was originally, get out of our house. And you ad lib to get out of our townhouse. That is so lateral. Shut the fuck up. Like, what are you saying?
- [56:57]
Matt Rogers
No, people are obsessed with that line.
- [56:58]
Bowen Yang
But then later on, I'm like, oh, I guess that is like the slightest. That is the serrated edge. That is the bit of, as Emily Oberman describes it at Pentagram, the bit of wit, the thing that is slightly off. It's like, oh, okay. Get out of our townhouse. Just hits a little bit different than get out of our house.
- [57:15]
Matt Rogers
This is so funny. We're complimenting our own performances, Bowen.
- [57:18]
Bowen Yang
No, no, no, that's not.
- [57:18]
Matt Rogers
Because, by the way, Bowen, I got there in the show and I, of course, had seen the scene in isolated because they had sent it over. They were like, oh, my God, we love it. We're so excited. So I watched it isolated, and I was like, oh, my God. Yeah. Presented in the show. I was like, this really works because it is a panicky situation for him when you're following him the whole time. Then you find us with our two creatures and the way that it starts. So kind of like you think he might be understood. And then you come in and it's a whole other fucking thing. It really worked. And I love that subtly, I am so the bottom and you are so the top. Like, you totally are the top. Like, even when you walked in and you go, oh, like, that you said it like a top. Like, you did the whole thing like a top, and I did the whole thing like a bottom. 100%.
- [58:06]
Bowen Yang
Because you are the top in that relationship. Davis is the top.
- [58:09]
Matt Rogers
I think you're the top in our relationship. To be honest with you, baby, non sexual top.
- [58:14]
Bowen Yang
You're the top.
- [58:15]
Matt Rogers
No, I think you talk a lot with us.
- [58:20]
Bowen Yang
That's not true. I'm quiet as a mouth girl.
- [58:23]
Matt Rogers
I'm not topping you in life. I'm not. I'm. I'm out here. I. I feel the bottom.
- [58:29]
Bowen Yang
I feel the bottom.
- [58:31]
Matt Rogers
You think you're the bottom with us?
- [58:33]
Bowen Yang
Oh, yeah.
- [58:34]
Matt Rogers
I don't know.
- [58:35]
Bowen Yang
I've celebrated that. I've gotten record saying whatever. I just, I. I like that about us.
- [58:40]
Matt Rogers
How are you denoting bottom?
- [58:42]
Bowen Yang
Well, gosh, this is something I have to examine too. Oh, I'm denoting bottom as. As sub. Because of that directionality.
- [58:52]
Matt Rogers
I don't find you to be sub.
- [58:53]
Bowen Yang
Okay.
- [58:54]
Matt Rogers
Socially, friendship wise. Really? No. But I also don't think you're dominant. I just think you're the top. God.
- [59:01]
Bowen Yang
Can I just say? Oh, God, this is gonna sound so annoying, but with, like the night that I had off, I was like, I'm gonna go and meet this guy for drinks.
- [59:08]
Matt Rogers
Sure.
- [59:09]
Bowen Yang
Barely got a word in editorwise. I'm like, this is my biggest pet peeve. And, you know, I was talking to Lily about this during press. I was like, we did this, like, them speed dating thing, but I don't think they used this part. But they were. But one of the questions was, what's your biggest pet peeve of dating? I was like, I think mine is just not saying a peep. I got on so many dates lately where I just don't say a peep. I don't get asked anything.
- [59:30]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
- [59:31]
Bowen Yang
And then Lily was like, but that's probably cause they. It's people who know it's you. And also they are nervous and all these things. I'm like, but like, at the end of the day, no matter what the dynamic is, if it's a date, it's like, it should be equitable. It should be an equitable conversation. That's my. That's. That's my radical opinion. Am I correct? Am I wrong?
- [59:49]
Matt Rogers
No, you're 100% right. I think. I do think Lily is probably right. Like I would imagine and that. That people obviously come with an. With an idea of recognition for you and there therefore baggage about the situation. And so they're probably coming to the table thinking, well, I'm Gonna show that I'm valuable as well by sharing a lot. When meanwhile, it's like what you really want to do is be. Be actually understood or just on a date. Yeah, just on a. Just be on a date.
- [60:17]
Bowen Yang
You know what I know about you, even though I have not witnessed it firsthand, I bet you're a great fucking date. And I'm gonna say I'm a great fucking date.
- [60:24]
Matt Rogers
I bet you are. 100.
- [60:26]
Bowen Yang
I try. I try. I try to make it so easy for the other person. Hence me like nodding along, listening. I'm with them every. Every step of the way as they unfurl their life towards me. And I retain all that information. I really do. So that the next time, if there's a next time, I like follow up. I just. I wish I could be afforded that.
- [60:47]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, I think that's. Well, I'm.
- [60:49]
Bowen Yang
What.
- [60:49]
Matt Rogers
And now I think in stating it out loud, this is one way to do that.
- [60:52]
Bowen Yang
Sure.
- [60:53]
Matt Rogers
Hopefully people. Someone out there takes the note. I guess I'm. I'm wondering now to myself because I always feel like when you're. When we're talking about dating, it's so easy to be like other people, be like. Or like I hate when this.
- [61:04]
Bowen Yang
Totally.
- [61:04]
Matt Rogers
And I'm trying to ask myself the question of like. Like, if I could take accountability, what could I do better with dating?
- [61:11]
Bowen Yang
I know. I know already what mine is.
- [61:12]
Matt Rogers
What's yours?
- [61:13]
Bowen Yang
It's. I'm so bad at the texting back. And that is just across the board a problem I have. That's just across the board something that I have with you, with our friends. Like. Like, it's like it's. It's just something that infects every part of my life. What about you?
- [61:28]
Matt Rogers
I don't feel left unread by you ever. It's. It's great to think that I could get even swifter responses.
- [61:35]
Bowen Yang
You can leverage.
- [61:37]
Matt Rogers
I think my thing is I just bring other experiences into.
- [61:41]
Bowen Yang
That's okay. It's so hard not to.
- [61:44]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. I sometimes have to extra remind myself that, you know, other people I've been. I've dated are not in the room with us when I'm on a new one. And like, I don't like. Like I'm talking to a new person, not someone I can project something on from all older situations. But. But that's my thing. And also just knowing what I want to begin with.
- [62:04]
Bowen Yang
Totally.
- [62:04]
Matt Rogers
Cause I think we could. I could personally save a lot of people a lot of time if I were just like, maybe this is not what you want?
- [62:11]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. Ay yai yi.
- [62:13]
Matt Rogers
Cause for me, it's no longer the thing of, like, I feel like I'm performing on a date, or I feel the need to stunt on a date or, like, win a date. Like, that's something I'm over. It's other things now. It's like, why am I here to begin with? And while I'm here, what am I thinking about? Or what am I anticipating?
- [62:33]
Bowen Yang
Yes. That gets in the way, that colors the rest of it within the date.
- [62:39]
Matt Rogers
It's unfair to the other person and myself.
- [62:42]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [62:43]
Matt Rogers
You know what I mean? I've had a dating trauma, and I feel like no matter how hard I try, and I'm not saying it's as much of a problem as it's been. I'm just saying that is my challenge now is, like, this person isn't gonna hurt you necessarily. This is like, if you can actually trust what this person says. You know what I mean? Like, it's. Yeah.
- [63:04]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [63:04]
Matt Rogers
Especially as you get into your mid-30s, it kind of feels like less people are likely to bullshit. So give them the opportunity to be genuine. Just because you had one bad experience doesn't mean they're all gonna be like that.
- [63:17]
Bowen Yang
I will say, what was done to you is so unusual. Your dating trauma as it was inflicted upon you was of such a deranged.
- [63:32]
Matt Rogers
Nature. Let's just say that.
- [63:34]
Bowen Yang
I was gonna say nature. It was so extreme and something that I would not wish upon my worst enemy.
- [63:40]
Matt Rogers
But this is where the accountability comes in.
- [63:43]
Bowen Yang
Totally. But I just want to put that out there. And I feel for you constantly in this because it's like, God, it could not have happened to, like, a more undeserving person, whatever deserving means. But you know what I mean? It's like, God, like, you. You can't fucking. Like, why would you do that? Don't do it to Matt. Don't do it to anyone. Okay, what were you saying? Accountability.
- [64:02]
Matt Rogers
I think the accountability part is also being like, okay, a shitty thing happened to you in your life. Forget about dating, whatever. It's like, a relationship, whatever it is. Like, where's the accountability? Cause at a certain point, you do have to stop saying, like, well, it's because this person was this. Or wrong place, wrong time or whatever. Like, I've been able to make so many positive changes, just about, like, managing my energy and knowing about people's capabilities through certain situations. Like. And also, it has made a lot of other things in my life make sense. Like, I will never say to anyone now, like, you have to get over it. It's been a long time. You know what I mean? Or like, you know what it's like. Like, I'm grateful for the ups and downs of dating in general because they fill out a landscape of what that experience is really like in totality, so that you can be more sensitive and more generous and more understanding and empathetic with people that they do say that about, like, heartbreak and about grief is. It is miserable to go through. But then ultimately, that is what makes you human. A 360 full human. That's what colors in the coloring book of your emotional life are the hard things. It's just fucking tough while you're going through them. And I do think, like, accountability is important. Sure, you can give as much as you can get. And, like, there's one thing being like, oh, I'm gonna kick this around with my girlfriends and my sisters and my best friends about, like, how shitty the situation was. But then there's another element of it, which is like, and I could do better too, of course.
- [65:39]
Bowen Yang
And the fact that you even have that mechanism to be like, let me examine myself, is something that the vast majority of people don't have yet. Because we're just people in our 30s dating, I think, for the most part, other people in our 30s, and we're all figuring this out together. That's the thing about dating within your age. Everyone on some level is developmentally on the same track. But also there is something appealing about dating for me, older. But then that becomes. But then you have to, like, parse that well. Is that a flag of any color for them? You know, it's like there's just so many different things that you have to think about.
- [66:25]
Matt Rogers
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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- [70:54]
Matt Rogers
Sudie is, like, positive that we both have to date older.
- [70:58]
Bowen Yang
She's positive.
- [70:59]
Matt Rogers
She says it all the time. She's like, well, you both need someone who's going to take control in her, like, way of saying that. And I'm just like, see, I. I wonder, though. I won. All right. Dating older, quote, unquote, is different saying that at 35 than saying that at 25. You know what I mean? Like, when I was 25, dating older meant, like, a guy in his 30s. Now dating older at 35 is like, I don't know what, like a guy in his 50s, you know, like, that's. That's someone that's looking for something totally different, probably. There's like, it's so it's. I certainly watch a lot of daddy porn, I'll tell you that.
- [71:31]
Bowen Yang
Tell you that. But I'm saying in terms of taking control, I don't know about that either.
- [71:37]
Matt Rogers
All I want.
- [71:39]
Bowen Yang
This is all I want. I want someone to know what restaurants to go to. That's all I actually want.
- [71:47]
Matt Rogers
And when you say that, do you mean, like, you want someone that's gonna take care of the decisions of the life? Yeah.
- [71:55]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [71:56]
Matt Rogers
I made a reservation for us here.
- [71:57]
Bowen Yang
Meet me here.
- [71:58]
Matt Rogers
The cleaning person is coming on Thursday. Like, not a nurse or a maid, but just someone that has that on their mind. Take care of you.
- [72:07]
Bowen Yang
I have my, like, dashboard of life all kind of laid out the way that I want it to, except in some few deficiencies. And it would be so nice. And this is not a requirement, obviously, and we're just talking. We're just shooting from the hip here, but it's, like, would be so cool if, like, there was a puzzle piece, like, completing that, you know?
- [72:29]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. It's just so funny.
- [72:31]
Bowen Yang
Oh, it's so fun to fantasize about these things.
- [72:33]
Matt Rogers
No, I know, I know, because. And I'll tell you what, it's a lot more fun then going on the actual dates talking about how men ain't shit.
- [72:39]
Bowen Yang
Totally.
- [72:40]
Matt Rogers
Because, like, again, like, it's like we're talking about earlier about, like, you know, gay guys not supporting other gay guys. It's like. Yeah, but is it. Wouldn't it be fun to think about one that does? You know what I mean? And they do exist.
- [72:51]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
- [72:51]
Matt Rogers
Not to say that every time a song like Manchild by Sabrina Carpenter comes out, that I'm not absolutely down to ride load the shotgun, let's go into town. You know what I mean?
- [73:01]
Bowen Yang
Like.
- [73:01]
Matt Rogers
Like, I am down to talk about how men ain't shit, like, in little tiny fun flares. But in terms of a life ideology, I had to. And, you know, I think we all have to, at a certain point, like, clock the stories that we've been telling ourselves. And being like, maybe I'm not helping myself by consistently telling myself the same story, because not everyone is the person that love bombed you. Not everyone is the person that cheated on you. Not everyone is the person that. That, you know, stole your money. Oh, I don't know why that was the third thing.
- [73:37]
Bowen Yang
Have you. Have you been pilfered by a man?
- [73:39]
Matt Rogers
No, but I know people that have.
- [73:41]
Bowen Yang
Yikes.
- [73:43]
Matt Rogers
Someone that we know was dating someone, it was found out was only dating them so that they could finance projects of theirs and then they bailed. Like, people are sick.
- [73:52]
Bowen Yang
Well, there's one fucking person out there who has never dated me but owes me money.
- [73:59]
Matt Rogers
You gotta tell me after.
- [74:00]
Bowen Yang
I gotta tell you. No, I followed up after years. And you know who it is.
- [74:04]
Matt Rogers
Oh, I do know who it is. And can I tell you something? That's crazy.
- [74:08]
Bowen Yang
I emailed again. I was like, hey, where's my money? And if I see him out in these streets.
- [74:15]
Matt Rogers
Say it, say it. It's on site, literally. Why you not paying me $400?
- [74:24]
Bowen Yang
I'm not, I'm not like confrontational at all. In moments like this, I have no problem bringing it up. And this person's avoided me out in public and I'm like, dude, well, of course.
- [74:35]
Matt Rogers
How much money is it?
- [74:36]
Bowen Yang
Like $700.
- [74:38]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, see, that's not a small amount at all.
- [74:41]
Bowen Yang
I want $700, please. Yeah, that is owed to me in the form of services and lodging that I was providing to you. And that was agreed upon. God, whatever.
- [74:55]
Matt Rogers
You know what's a crazy thing about me? I had the instinct for three quarters of a second, I was like, I'll just send him the money.
- [75:03]
Bowen Yang
No.
- [75:03]
Matt Rogers
But then I was like, no, it's not about that, idiot.
- [75:08]
Bowen Yang
No, it's the principle of the.
- [75:11]
Matt Rogers
It is the principle of pleasure. One of the great songs. I feel like people are going to be furious if we don't address and just like that.
- [75:20]
Bowen Yang
Okay, address and just like that.
- [75:24]
Matt Rogers
We have to address it just like that. One thing I'll say I loved the choice for the virgin nun played by Rosie o' Donnell to say I've never been to New York before in a New York accent. That's how I knew we were still cooking, you know what I mean? For Rosie o' Donnell to just launch. I've never been to New York before. Like in that accent, as a virgin nun, lesbian nun who fucks Miranda. Like more of that. Like if I'm behind the wheel, my foot is on the gas for more of that.
- [75:56]
Bowen Yang
Right. I am really disoriented by the Aiden stuff. Gotta say. So there. This five year thing is loose and then he shows up for a random thing. Cause he was just in town unannounced. Comes to the house. Like a lot of things new, some sort of realist texture there. And it just. There's. There's no. It's just a slippery fantasy. Which is, I guess what Sex and the City always kind of was. But then at the same time, there were moments of that show that were truly, for lack of a better word, like gritty 100%.
- [76:30]
Matt Rogers
They've got Carrie in a long distance relationship dealing with rats. I said, I don't see this for my girl. It's hard when you have a character that you know is smarter than this. And we're watching her go through this and I'm like, look, I understand. Like I have, I've been there with really trying to make it work with the guy that you believe is the one. But at a certain point, like, she's too old for this shit.
- [76:54]
Bowen Yang
And I wonder if it's like, okay, we're building up to like her losing patience with this kind of domesticity and then this breaks off of Aiden and then she goes out into the dating world again. But I don't know that two episodes in a row I of home maintenance is the thing that that is.
- [77:12]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, I think I. But I think we are. Because this guy that's coming in to do her backyard had. They had a lot of sexual tension. And I was just like, oh. What they've done is they're. They're essentially putting in an Aiden who's actually available because didn't you feel he gave Aiden?
- [77:29]
Bowen Yang
Of course. But I mean, LOL at that hair. And then the. Just the belt being loose off of a. Off of a loop. Like I'm like, okay, this is so telegraphed. I love.
- [77:40]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, he's Aiden. Aiden has come in and suddenly there's an Aiden there that can be available to her. And I'm hoping she jumps his bones quick. Like right quick. I just, I need Carrie to be doing more Sex in the City. That's what I want from it.
- [77:58]
Bowen Yang
That's what we all want.
- [77:59]
Matt Rogers
And you know what? I loved the Miranda plotline of she fucks the virgin Nun. I was like, yes, this is me too.
- [78:06]
Bowen Yang
More of that.
- [78:07]
Matt Rogers
This feels like it. Okay, any feelings, thoughts, things you want to say about the Wicked for Good trailer? She hit the web hard.
- [78:15]
Bowen Yang
Yes, I want to say that the Wicked trailer is but a glimpse. I mean, what can I say? I can't reveal too much.
- [78:26]
Matt Rogers
I love rule of culture number 90. The trailer is but a glimpse.
- [78:30]
Bowen Yang
But a glimpse.
- [78:31]
Matt Rogers
That's all we can say about the.
- [78:33]
Bowen Yang
I want to say that Elphaba's hair literally coming down is a slay to me.
- [78:40]
Matt Rogers
I think that I'm so. I'm looking for a big piece of art to put over my new couch. And I think that Elphaba with her hair down. I think I would like a. Let's say 80 by 30. God, that's a huge piece of statement. Art for my living room, which is Elphaba with her hair down, having just, like, fucked it up. I need that.
- [79:03]
Bowen Yang
80 inches is almost. I would say seven feet.
- [79:08]
Matt Rogers
Oh, it's so big.
- [79:10]
Bowen Yang
Seven feet.
- [79:11]
Matt Rogers
So right now I'm like. I'm like, I hired an interior designer, and I fucking love her. I'm so excited. And we're talking about, like, so you have to make a big decision once you put in your couch. It's like, when you think about what's gonna go above it, is it, like, a lot of different things? Is it shelving? Is it asymmetry? Or is it one big art?
- [79:29]
Bowen Yang
I think you want one big.
- [79:31]
Matt Rogers
I think I want one big art. And I'm joking that it's Elphaba, but am I. Can you imagine if trade came over here and they're like, hey, so excited we finally connected. Yeah, that was really good meal and drinks as well. I really enjoyed the film we saw. And when we ice skated on our date, Excited to go into your apartment. Opens the door, comes in, dick a little hard, sees Elphaba on the wall.
- [79:54]
Bowen Yang
What's the craziest decor you've seen trade have when they've hosted?
- [80:00]
Matt Rogers
This is a good question.
- [80:02]
Bowen Yang
I have an answer so immediate.
- [80:04]
Matt Rogers
What is. What if? Bowen Yang. What is the craziest decor you've seen trade display.
- [80:09]
Bowen Yang
Sweet older gentleman in midtown. I walk in, and there's no inch of wall in this apartment that was not covered in, like, a plastic. I should say, like a little, tiny, sculptural Disney movie.
- [80:29]
Matt Rogers
Oh, God, it's so rough.
- [80:31]
Bowen Yang
In a way. In a way. And by the way, I am not unreceptive to that.
- [80:36]
Matt Rogers
No, but it was, you know us, you love us.
- [80:38]
Bowen Yang
It was a maximalism to a degree that I was like, this is. This is a lot. And he was like, I know it's a lot. I was like, it's a lot.
- [80:47]
Matt Rogers
You weren't ready for it. Much less horny for it. Oh, wow. So you actually were. Okay. Okay.
- [80:51]
Bowen Yang
I. I looked past it, but on the way out, I was like, God damn, that's a giant maleficent. You know? Like, it was. It was. It was that kind of thing. I was like, this is Ryan Murphy's grotesque.
- [81:04]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. I mean, I. I guess I have two. One. None. None as specific as that. But one. I went over a guy's apartment to hook up, and I was. He had so much art hung up, and it was kind of beautiful. But everything I asked about, he's like, oh, what's this? He told me that his ex boyfriend had hung it up.
- [81:21]
Bowen Yang
Shut up.
- [81:22]
Matt Rogers
He's like, oh yeah, my ex boyfriend hung that up.
- [81:24]
Bowen Yang
You can leave that out.
- [81:24]
Matt Rogers
Oh yeah, my ex boyfriend put that on that wall. Oh yeah, this, this is a picture that my ex boyfriend framed. I was just like, what, what about.
- [81:33]
Bowen Yang
The contents of the picture?
- [81:35]
Matt Rogers
It was always secondary so that, and then one time I took it doggy from someone in a room that was a hoarder. It was, I just, it's like when you, you meet someone and they're incredibly put together and you're like, well there's no way that it's gonna be two feet of clothes on the ground that we have to climb over. If you're even thinking about having someone come over, there has to be a path to the bed.
- [82:01]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. Oh yeah.
- [82:02]
Matt Rogers
You know what I mean? Like if there's no path to the bed, there's no path forward. That's actually real close to number 40. If there's no path to the bed.
- [82:11]
Bowen Yang
There is no path forward. Some of these girls, the bedding is barely on. Like the, just, just the sheets are just like, you know, you don't have to have a full bedding set but sometimes the mattress protector is like halfway off and I go, oh well, we should figure this out also.
- [82:30]
Matt Rogers
Yes. And what do you feel about pageantry with a towel on the bed?
- [82:36]
Bowen Yang
No, no, I'm kind of like, takes me out of that.
- [82:39]
Matt Rogers
Can we not like, I don't, I don't want to fuck on a towel.
- [82:43]
Bowen Yang
No. Although I did have the algorithm work its work on me once and I bought one of those like those like come throws.
- [82:53]
Matt Rogers
Like anal sex throw. Like a come throw.
- [82:56]
Bowen Yang
I've used it once but it does kind of break it where I'm like hold on, hold on. And I gotta like fish it out of the closet and put it out.
- [83:03]
Matt Rogers
Uh huh, uh huh.
- [83:04]
Bowen Yang
And it's a nice feeling. And it's not a towel, for God's sake.
- [83:08]
Matt Rogers
No, I mean one time I'm getting phone by a guy and trust me, like I, I've taken care of.
- [83:12]
Bowen Yang
Yeah. Oh yeah.
- [83:13]
Matt Rogers
I'm in the anal sex game now Almost, you know, 15 years, we're good at this. So I'm thinking like around 27, 28, you kind of, you kind of learn like. Okay, I'm not the age where I can just like hop on dicks anymore. So you know, it's, it's not always a perfect science. But now I'm at the point where like if I'm going to be bottoming like, don't worry about it. I figured it out. And if there. If something goes down, like, it's not crazy. Like, we're all adults here. Whatever. So I was, you know, recently. Not recently. About a year ago. Like, a guy was like, can I fuck you? And I was like, yes. And then he's like, we should get a towel. I'm like, it's really okay. And he was like, let's get a.
- [83:55]
Bowen Yang
Towel at my house.
- [83:58]
Matt Rogers
At my house.
- [83:59]
Bowen Yang
That's rude.
- [84:00]
Matt Rogers
No, I'm like, what about looking at me in my beautiful eyes says I'm in a shit, everyone? I don't think I was given that. And I don't think I give that. I'm one of those gay guys that's like, I don't fart. Ask Jared. I don't fart.
- [84:14]
Bowen Yang
You don't fart?
- [84:15]
Matt Rogers
Dated me a year. I'm one of those. I don't fart gays.
- [84:19]
Bowen Yang
Like, I don't like it because anytime I fart, you really get scandalized.
- [84:24]
Matt Rogers
I have what I would describe as a full body response, but your farts sound like an angry Egyptian king.
- [84:30]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, they're pretty bad. I should get that chat.
- [84:34]
Matt Rogers
Yours are the loudest sounds on the scale of sound, and mine are silent. But I can't believe I'm saying this, but they're bad.
- [84:47]
Bowen Yang
So you do fart?
- [84:49]
Matt Rogers
No, that was just for you. I really don't fart. The only reason I have a butthole is for sex. Promise?
- [84:56]
Bowen Yang
Promise. Entrance only.
- [85:00]
Matt Rogers
Anyways. But I was so. I was like, shut up. Like, I'm telling you it's fine.
- [85:04]
Bowen Yang
No, that's. That's disgusting. No, get out. You're not me.
- [85:09]
Matt Rogers
And now I'm like, okay, let me get up and get it. Like, I'm like, I'm telling you it's fine. Also, if we're in my house and I say, it's fine, it's fine.
- [85:18]
Bowen Yang
Totally. Oh, I don't like that. This is Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers.
- [85:26]
Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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Matt Rogers
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- [89:24]
Bowen Yang
It's time. Yeah, this is our segment where we take one minute to really take the piss out of something in culture. And I have something. Do you have something?
- [89:37]
Matt Rogers
I do have something.
- [89:39]
Bowen Yang
Okay, this is great. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
- [89:43]
Matt Rogers
I don't think so, honey. That the actress Jen Lyon is not a household name. So I watched the English Teacher again and so enjoyed it, and she does the best guest acting in a comedy performance I have ever seen. Literally start the conversation right now. That needs to be an Emmy nomination for Gen Lyon in English Teacher. This performance is funny. It was layered. It was everything. And I was like, where have I seen her before? The answer, Everywhere. She was on the show Claws, which was an underrated show with Niecy Nash. It was a Niecy Nash vehicle that also had a really great performance from Karrueche Tran, by the way. Like, this show was gold and Then you peel back the layers and you realize Jen Lyon slays it in so many things. This is one of the funniest, most like complex, like depth giving actresses that's out there. And I need her to be known and I need her to be cast in all things. I don't think so, honey. That she's not.
- [90:46]
Bowen Yang
That's one minute. Thank you.
- [90:47]
Matt Rogers
But also she is.
- [90:49]
Bowen Yang
But also she is. So it's like it's. Yeah, she's. This is what we call, you know, a rising star.
- [90:54]
Matt Rogers
I was lucky enough to serve on the jury of the Gotham TV Awards and I did supporting performance in a comedy series. And that was one of the reasons why I was watching English Teacher because Sean Patton was nominated. He's excellent. We ultimately gave the award to Purna Jagannathan from Deli Boys, a show that Sudi wrote for and she's also great on. But I feel like people aren't talking about and it's a really great show. So basically I come here to say watch those shows that you've been meaning to watch that people have been telling you about because they've got stuff like this Gen lion performance which just affected me in such a. And I was laughing. I laugh out loud at that show like the kids in it are. It's the best kid acting I've seen in a really long time.
- [91:41]
Bowen Yang
Oh, that's so fun.
- [91:43]
Matt Rogers
No, just to have authentic teens saying these lines that are really well written comedy but the way they say it is so dropped in, it feels real. It doesn't feel like kids are acting, which is so hard.
- [91:55]
Bowen Yang
I know, I know. Shout out. If a lot of plays we were pointing out at the Tonys.
- [92:01]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah.
- [92:02]
Bowen Yang
And shows taking place at schools in the classroom. Shout out to anyone who runs a production or does has to corral children of any kind. You deserve a billion dollars. Okay.
- [92:14]
Matt Rogers
When are you seeing John Proctor as the villain?
- [92:17]
Bowen Yang
I cannot wait. I'm seeing it on the 14th, right before we go to France.
- [92:24]
Matt Rogers
I can't wait for you to see it and talk to you about it.
- [92:27]
Bowen Yang
I'm so excited.
- [92:29]
Matt Rogers
Okay, so Bowen Yang, you had and I don't think so honey to do. And I'm excited about that to hear it.
- [92:37]
Bowen Yang
Great.
- [92:38]
Matt Rogers
This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so honey as time starts now.
- [92:40]
Bowen Yang
I don't think so honey. Having a matinee on Tony Sunday, I think making these poor people, some of them love to do it and shout out. But I say you give them a day to pamper themselves up to really, you know, get the microcurrent machine going on the face or get the little wax that they might have not had time during the rest of the week when they have seven other shows, maybe six other shows, let's say, fine. They don't have a Sunday night show. I just think these people deserve a day off. A mandated day off on Tony Sunday. And then I was thinking, you know what I was thinking last night, my girl Audra changes into the Mama Rose. Get up. Then has to. We know Broadway loves a quick change. These actors love a quick change. Then has to quick change back into her gorgeous gown. I say, take the stress out. I used to love a quick change, but now I go, don't touch. Let me just sit. Cause you want to just. These people deserve to just sit. I know they're working with a lot of inertia and momentum and they have to keep moving, but just give them a moment to just be still.
- [93:42]
Matt Rogers
And that's one minute. I couldn't believe, believe that. That was the second time Audra had done that that day.
- [93:48]
Bowen Yang
In that day, giving 110%. Like you were saying, I was so.
- [93:56]
Matt Rogers
Shook by the end of that performance.
- [93:57]
Bowen Yang
She is one of our best.
- [93:58]
Matt Rogers
Now, I think if you haven't seen it, you. If you listen back to when I first saw it, which was in previews, you kind of get what I mean when I say we're going to go on Wednesday. By the way, we're taking Sudi.
- [94:07]
Bowen Yang
I can't wait.
- [94:07]
Matt Rogers
I'm so excited for you to see it. It's great. But you get what I mean when I say that I believe that this angle on Rose was talking more about her as someone who was, like, mentally ill. Like, you're not frightened of Rose in Rose's Turn, you're frightened for her.
- [94:23]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
- [94:24]
Matt Rogers
And by the end, I was like. I was like, yeah. I felt her anguish in a way where I was just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like in such a crazy way. And also, she does eight shows a week. She doesn't have an understudy. Go on. Not one day. And a lot of the other people can't say that she does eight.
- [94:43]
Bowen Yang
She does eight. That is Audra McDonnell, fucking legend.
- [94:48]
Matt Rogers
Fucking legend.
- [94:50]
Bowen Yang
Fucking legend for all time. And I thought just the right amount of addressing it at the show last night with Oprah saying, a lot of.
- [94:56]
Matt Rogers
People talking, yeah, this was absolutely lovely to get to know you better.
- [95:01]
Bowen Yang
I really got to know you and your sexual experiences. Taking a doggie in a messy room with not a clear path to the bed. That's hiking. That's a hike.
- [95:12]
Matt Rogers
Doggy in a messy room without a clear path to the bed.
- [95:15]
Bowen Yang
To the bed.
- [95:16]
Matt Rogers
This is a Sabrina Carpenter lyric.
- [95:18]
Bowen Yang
Uh huh.
- [95:20]
Matt Rogers
Speaking of that, we end every episode with a song.
- [95:24]
Bowen Yang
Man to listen to more of that. Listen to Man Child by Sabrina Carpenter.
- [95:41]
Matt Rogers
Stream Sabrina for once it's real culture number eight.
- [95:45]
Bowen Yang
Stream Sabrina for once Again Sabrina for once Bye. Las Coldristas is a Production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio Podcasts.
- [95:54]
Matt Rogers
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier.
- [95:58]
Bowen Yang
And produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Behm and Monique Laborde.
- [96:02]
Matt Rogers
And our music is by Henry Kabursky. This podcast is sponsored by PayPal.
- [96:12]
Bowen Yang
All right readers, Katie's Publicist finalist Kyle's it's time to talk about one of the most iconic payment brands out there. That's right, it's PayPal. PayPal lets you do you Meaning you can pay your own way.
- [96:23]
Matt Rogers
PayPal offers payments people flexibility on how they can pay. Once you click the PayPal button, you can choose from a bunch of payment.
- [96:29]
Bowen Yang
Options, including paying later with PayPal at millions of online stores.
- [96:33]
Matt Rogers
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Bowen Yang
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- [97:42]
Bowen Yang
What?
- [97:43]
Matt Rogers
A Casamigos margarita.
- [97:44]
Bowen Yang
Everyone loves a Casamigos margarita. She really is that girl.
- [97:49]
Matt Rogers
It's true. Everyone can get behind her.
- [97:51]
Bowen Yang
She's a little tangy.
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Matt Rogers
She's a little sweet.
- [97:53]
Bowen Yang
She's good. Any which way.
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Matt Rogers
Anything goes with my Casamigos.
- [97:56]
Bowen Yang
And that's rule of culture number 87.
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Matt Rogers
Cause anything goes with my Casamigos. Please drink responsibly. Imported by Casamigos Spirits Company, White Plains, New York. Casamigos Tequila. 40% alcohol by volume. This is an I heart podcast.