"Kakuna Gay Harden" (w/ Richard Perez)

Summary

Detailed Summary of "Kakuna Gay Harden" Episode of Las Culturistas

Episode Information:

• Title: Kakuna Gay Harden
• Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
• Host/Creators: Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
• Guest: Richard Perez
• Release Date: July 9, 2025

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Introduction

In this vibrant episode of Las Culturistas, hosts Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang welcome the talented comedian Richard Perez. Together, they navigate a wide array of topics ranging from personal growth and queer identities to nostalgic reflections on pop culture and music's role in shaping self-expression.

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1. Princess Origin Stories

The episode opens with a heartfelt exploration of the hosts' childhood experiences, where feelings of not fitting into traditional gender roles led them to embrace their unique identities.

• Anna Hosnier [02:28]:
  "There was one time I dressed up as a little princess, and actually, it was pretty visceral because my younger... My cousin Megan dressed me up in a princess outfit, and I felt it was not the thing to do because my parents and their friends were like, 'Oh, it's a little boy dressed as a girl.'"

This conversation sets the stage for discussing the societal pressures and personal realizations that contribute to their identities as "Culturistas."

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2. Introducing Richard Perez

Richard Perez joins the conversation, bringing his comedic insight into the dynamic trio. The hosts express excitement about having him on the show.

• Anna Hosnier [02:44]:
  "Bowen, look over there... Wow. Is that culture?"

• Richie Perez [02:53]:
  "Ding, ding dong. Matt, would you describe yourself at any point in your life as a princess?"

Perez's introduction is light-hearted, immediately diving into personal anecdotes that resonate with the show's themes.

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3. Pokémon Cards and Nostalgia

The hosts reminisce about their childhood obsession with Pokémon cards, highlighting the strategic and emotional investments involved.

• Anna Hosnier [14:55]:
  "I remember those were like the first deals. Like, I got in a fight with my cousin and my aunt called our house because he regretted trading a Blastoise to me for a Venusaur. And I was like, 'I'm sorry, but we did say no trade backs, and that's a verbal contract.'"

This segment underscores the deep connections and occasional conflicts fostered by shared hobbies, emphasizing how such experiences shape one's sense of community and identity.

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4. Dating, Anxiety, and Queer Experiences

A significant portion of the episode delves into the anxieties associated with dating, particularly within the queer community. The hosts and Perez discuss how societal expectations and personal insecurities influence romantic interactions.

• Matt Rogers [37:01]:
  "I recently had phone sex, which I've never done in my life, and it was so fun..."

• Anna Hosnier [39:30]:
  "Do you feel like we should start a Queens of Comedy? Cause I am like, here's the thing is like, oh, it's a big joke. But I do say, I'm the prince of Christmas once a year."

These discussions highlight the challenges and triumphs of expressing one's sexuality amidst societal pressures, using humor and personal stories to navigate complex emotions.

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5. Impact of Lady Gaga's "Born This Way"

The conversation shifts to the transformative impact of Lady Gaga's "Born This Way," which provided a sense of acceptance and empowerment for many in the LGBTQ+ community.

• Matt Rogers [93:06]:
  "I wrote like, wait, what was it like?... It was Born this Way lyrics that I was inspired by."

• Anna Hosnier [97:17]:
  "It's the power in being explicit and clear because so many people need that."

"Born This Way" serves as a pivotal moment in their personal journeys, reinforcing the importance of explicit messaging in media to foster inclusion and self-acceptance.

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6. Reflections on Pop Culture: "The Hills" and "Laguna Beach"

Perez and the hosts critique and analyze popular reality TV shows like "The Hills" and "Laguna Beach," assessing their cultural impact and personal relevance.

• Richie Perez [75:47]:
  "Solange bridges the gap between indie hipster music and pop music in a way..."

These reflections offer insights into how reality TV shapes perceptions of identity and relationships, intertwining personal experiences with broader cultural narratives.

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7. Evolution of Indie Culture and Mainstreaming

The hosts discuss the evolution of indie culture, noting how it has been absorbed into mainstream pop through influential artists like Solange.

• Richie Perez [75:47]:
  "Solange bridges the gap between indie hipster music and pop music in a way..."

This segment explores the fluidity of cultural boundaries and the ways in which indie elements influence and are influenced by mainstream trends.

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8. Live Performances and Future Projects

Conversations turn to their own live performances and upcoming shows, reflecting on the evolution of their comedic and cultural personas.

• Anna Hosnier [125:10]:
  "What's happening to me if she performed from artpop is I would be on the floor in a puddle, like, dead."

The hosts share their aspirations for future projects, emphasizing the importance of live performances in personal and professional growth.

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9. Final Thoughts and Friendships

The episode concludes with heartfelt endorsements of each other's talents and upcoming events, reinforcing the bonds of friendship and mutual support.

• Anna Hosnier [124:18]:
  "I have my two bins of photo negatives and... [crosstalk and laughter]."

This closing segment highlights the camaraderie and collaborative spirit that define Las Culturistas.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Anna Hosnier [02:44]:
  "The first sign you can feel the adults sort of like..."

• Matt Rogers [37:01]:
  "I recently had phone sex, which I've never done in my life, and it was so fun..."

• Richie Perez [93:32]:
  "That sounds like a word, but dynamic is a powerful term..."

• Matt Rogers [116:43]:
  "She was really the scrubbed out of that history."

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Conclusion

The "Kakuna Gay Harden" episode of Las Culturistas offers a rich tapestry of personal anecdotes, cultural critiques, and heartfelt discussions. With Richard Perez's comedic flair, the hosts navigate complex topics with humor and honesty, providing listeners with both entertainment and meaningful insights. This episode underscores the power of culture in shaping identities and fostering connections, making it a memorable addition to the Las Culturistas series.

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Produced by Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts, this episode exemplifies the show's commitment to exploring the depths of culture through engaging conversations and diverse perspectives.

Transcript

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Richie Perez]

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[Anna Hosnier]

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[Richie Perez]

You heard that, right. Check out full episodes, Iconic interviews, visual bits, and culture moments that'll change your life.

[Anna Hosnier]

We could not be more excited to launch the channel with the announcement of our culture Award nominations.

[Richie Perez]

So don't wait. Be sure to watch las culturistas on [e-mail] lascolchuristas maybe you've heard that Stonewall.

[Joseph Reeves]

Was a riot, where queer people fought back against police. Or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time of year.

[Matt Rogers]

It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done.

[Joseph Reeves]

Legend says Marsha P. Johnson threw the very first brick.

[Anna Hosnier]

Start banging on the door of the Stonewall like one.

[Matt Rogers]

Boom.

[Joseph Reeves]

This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Show me how good it can get today, God. And show the rest of the world what we already know it can't get. No better than being hella, hella queer and hella Christian. My name is Joseph Reeves. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast. From iHeartMedia to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Anna Hosnier]

Look, man.

[Matt Rogers]

Where?

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, I see my eye. Oh, my.

[Richie Perez]

Bowen, look over there.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wow. Is that culture?

[Richie Perez]

Yes. Goodness.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wow. Las Culturist.

[Richie Perez]

Ding, ding dong.

[Anna Hosnier]

Las Culturist is calling.

[Richie Perez]

Matt, would you describe yourself at any point in your life as a princess?

[Matt Rogers]

Hmm.

[Anna Hosnier]

There was one time I dressed up as a little princess, and actually, it was pretty visceral because my younger. Oh, my God. This is like not me having a flashback to a traumatic memory. You didn't know this was gonna unlock something, but it did. My cousin Megan dressed me up in a princess outfit, and I went upstairs in the princess outfit, and I can tell I could in the moment know that it was not the thing to do because my parents and all their friends were like, oh, it's a little boy dressed as a girl. The first sign you can feel the.

[Richie Perez]

Adults sort of like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, oh, they slurped. That's what I meant to say the whole time when I went upstairs dresses of the princess, they went. As Bowen just went.

[Matt Rogers]

They went, every princess has, like an origin.

[Anna Hosnier]

Are you already in.

[Matt Rogers]

Sorry, Sorry.

[Anna Hosnier]

But now, Bowen, was there ever a time when you felt like a princess?

[Richie Perez]

I. I can't say. I've only really felt like a princess in the presence of another princess. You know what I mean? And there was something really important about our guest. One time when we were hanging out. I don't even think you anointed me as such, but you were just like, well, we're princesses. And I went, you know what I mean?

[Anna Hosnier]

You started. Your jaw dropped. So do you feel like we should start a Queens of Comedy? But it's the Princesses of Comedy. Cause I am like, here's the thing is like, oh, it's a big joke. But I do say, I'm the prince of Christmas once a year. So when you say princess, that's hard because I've just branded as something else. But I could change my brand if you guys were like, we were the Princesses of Comedy. Like the Queens of comedy before us.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

I think that's a really important discussion we should have. So our guest is fabulous comedian. You might know him.

[Anna Hosnier]

Princesses of Comedy is title of that, by the way.

[Richie Perez]

Princesses of Comedy. Oh, my God, look. He's being a princess right now. Can we cut to him?

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, he's threatened to sort of spike at the camera the whole time. And I said, that's gonna be tough for us. Someone who's having a conversation with you.

[Richie Perez]

It's gonna be tough for us. Cause we're over here, but the camera's over there. But, I mean, this person knows his frame. He knows how to work the camera in a way that I don't think I've ever seen.

[Anna Hosnier]

Here's the thing is, it's like, I kind of wanna be the camera now.

[Richie Perez]

I know.

[Anna Hosnier]

I. Wow.

[Richie Perez]

We need to talk. We need to talk about all things princess camera, everything. Okay, if you're listening to this, I think this might come out before his show July 12th.

[Anna Hosnier]

We're crossing our fingers. This comes out in time for the Union hall show on July 12th. Hopefully you guys hear this in time.

[Richie Perez]

You guys hear this in time.

[Anna Hosnier]

We'll cut this out and get down.

[Richie Perez]

There and got to get to Brooklyn. Bark Slope. July 12, Union Hall.

[Anna Hosnier]

How did you get to Bark Slope from here?

[Richie Perez]

Barkslope.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. I would get.

[Richie Perez]

I would hop on the F train, and I think I would. Maybe I'd transfer Barclays, and I don't know if it stops at the Union Street. The Union street station. Oh, no, you have to transfer at Barclays to the R. Take that to Union Street.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. That's how we'd get there from here. And we record this podcast from. What would you call this? 55th Street.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

We're at the iHeart offices in a studio that we found out was originally made for Ryan Seacrest.

[Richie Perez]

Feels very like Coca Cola Lounge. American Idol era.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Yeah. And then our guests sang the theme song from American Idol. Do you perform this in the show? Please publish your ears, Richard Perez. And by the way, there's other shows that are gonna happen later on September. You said September.

[Richie Perez]

Spring, summer, more September. More September.

[Matt Rogers]

I have a solo show called I have to do this.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Huge, huge, huge moment in comedy. I think I have to do this. I think Richard really rocked the scene with his sensuality. We need to talk about sensuality.

[Matt Rogers]

We have to. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Explain what it is to us.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you know, there's definitely camera work involved.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And just kind of like, don't be scared to, like, look at it.

[Richie Perez]

Who do you think? Who do you pretend the camera is? Somebody that you know or.

[Matt Rogers]

I pretend it's like a ref. It's like a mirror. And I'm kind of just like. Well. Cause you know when you, like, act in the mirror, you know when you.

[Anna Hosnier]

Do that, you're always better when you're acting in the mirror than when you have to.

[Matt Rogers]

So I just pretend that I'm like, I know what this looks like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Don't you think, though, like, sometimes I'll be in the mirror just giving. And we can be, like, transparent.

[Richie Perez]

Come on, we gotta talk about gay mirrors.

[Anna Hosnier]

Let's really get into it, because how many times have you looked into the mirror and been giving? I really have.

[Richie Perez]

All the time. All the time.

[Matt Rogers]

And then outside of the bathroom, it's.

[Anna Hosnier]

You know, impossible to get a good time.

[Matt Rogers]

It's hard. Yeah. It's so hard to get in there.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah. I would push for mirrors. Mirrors on cameras on all sets. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean? Like, it's a shame that we don't have a mirror here today.

[Anna Hosnier]

I know what, for me, I don't know about for y', all, but the work that you'd get out of me if I just could act with the mirror. It would be crazy.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Emma Stone found worse than dead.

[Matt Rogers]

Jealous. Threatened.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wait. It's actually really cool. Number 13, jealous.

[Richie Perez]

That's worse than dead to be caught when you're jealous.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I mean, there's that saying about it.

[Richie Perez]

What is?

[Matt Rogers]

Is it disease or whatever?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes, jealousy is a disease. So get well soon. There's also jealousy is the green eyed monster.

[Matt Rogers]

Get well soon.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, envy is the green eyed monster.

[Richie Perez]

Envy is the green eyed monster. And jealousy.

[Matt Rogers]

Jealousy is a disease.

[Richie Perez]

Get well soon.

[Anna Hosnier]

Do you know who first said that?

[Richie Perez]

Who was Meredith Marx.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, really?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. From that.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I don't like, I don't watch Housewives. Like, I don't know that universe, like at all.

[Richie Perez]

I think you out. Anybody would really love it.

[Matt Rogers]

Really.

[Anna Hosnier]

I feel like you'd like old New York. Don't you think that?

[Richie Perez]

Yes, definitely.

[Matt Rogers]

I think, like, I don't know. Of course. Like, my friends love it and it's just such a big universe.

[Anna Hosnier]

Our friends. We both leave.

[Richie Perez]

We both leave.

[Anna Hosnier]

Got em.

[Richie Perez]

Richard lied to us.

[Matt Rogers]

And then we wore two big poofy dresses. You hear little, like princesses. The princesses, Very princesses.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Who's the best princess in media? Do we know?

[Matt Rogers]

I'd say like Prince. I was. When I was thinking about us or the princess discussion, I'm like, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

What'd you see in your mind's eye?

[Matt Rogers]

Like Mario party?

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, oh, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

There's Peach Daisy and then there's another one, Rosalina, the princess of.

[Anna Hosnier]

Where does she come from?

[Richie Perez]

She is from Mario Galaxy.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

She has a really tragic story.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

And you find out about it as you go to visit the library. As you unlock more worlds. You read. You read about her. It's very much like Little Prince.

[Matt Rogers]

She.

[Richie Perez]

Her parents die.

[Anna Hosnier]

They based mystic river on her. Yeah. Did you ever seen Mystic River?

[Matt Rogers]

I think actually it was on TV once.

[Anna Hosnier]

Emmy Rostam and I watched like some of the. Her character. It's based on Rosalina's sister. Oh, it was horrible.

[Richie Perez]

And her dad is Sean Penn.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. And he was like, that's my daughter. And then Marcia Gay Harden in Rosalina's universe turned a performance bitch.

[Richie Perez]

I think Marsha Gay Harden is a princess off screen.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, absolutely. Wait, wait, wait. Is that the one that was. Wait, wait, wait.

[Anna Hosnier]

You came to Las Coltristas and you don't know who Marcia Gay Harden has?

[Matt Rogers]

I do. I do. Was she. Was she an urban legend?

[Anna Hosnier]

God, I don't know.

[Richie Perez]

I don't know that I Might be.

[Matt Rogers]

Thinking of someone else. She got, like, light eyes and, like.

[Richie Perez]

She got light eyes?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, she's like.

[Anna Hosnier]

She plays.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't get me.

[Anna Hosnier]

Have you ever seen the movie? You ever seen the movie Mona Lisa? Smile?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

God.

[Matt Rogers]

The thing about me is I've never seen a movie.

[Richie Perez]

No, that's okay. He seen movies. I haven't seen movies.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm really. I'm trying to think of a monoculture piece of work that Marcia Gay Harden was in, and it's hard.

[Matt Rogers]

But even then, some of those, I'm.

[Richie Perez]

Like, I missed it and you're never gonna watch it.

[Matt Rogers]

One day I could. Same with Housewives.

[Richie Perez]

One day, if I broke both my legs, I would watch it. I'd be caught up on all movies.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. God forbid. Yeah, but absolutely. I think that's kind of. Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm gonna list some movies that Marcia Gay Harden has been in, and you guys tell me if you've seen this movie and if you think this movie qualifies for.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I see what she looks like?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes, you can see what she looks like. This is Marcia Gay Harden. So just a minute. Zoom in for everyone. That's Marja Gay Harden. That's actually her at the premiere of Frozen 2.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

So I don't know if she played.

[Matt Rogers]

A role in Frozen 2, but I'm.

[Anna Hosnier]

Gonna imagine that she was there for some reason.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

So her acting credits include the First Wives Club. She played someone in Dr. Leslie Rosen. I don't remember her.

[Richie Perez]

I don't remember.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know.

[Anna Hosnier]

Meet Joe Black.

[Richie Perez]

That's the gorilla.

[Anna Hosnier]

Alison Parrish.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, again.

[Anna Hosnier]

Mona Lisa, Smile. Julia Roberts is in that.

[Richie Perez]

Amazing.

[Anna Hosnier]

If you haven't seen that.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

All right. Have you ever seen the movie the Mist?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

You know What? How about 50 shades of gray?

[Anna Hosnier]

She played Grace Trevilian Grey, who I'm only gonna imagine must be a Christian Grace Mother, rather.

[Matt Rogers]

Sometimes I joke around when someone asks me if I've seen a certain movie. I'm like, is it like, 40 year old virgin?

[Richie Perez]

That's. That's your.

[Matt Rogers]

Like your North Star, I guess.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay. And now I'm like, what about tv? You know, do you watch the morning show on Apple tv?

[Richie Perez]

The morning show.

[Anna Hosnier]

She plays, like, a cunty reporter who's.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, I'll get you.

[Anna Hosnier]

She's always talking. She's always telling you, you know the role.

[Richie Perez]

Yes, of course.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's like her adversary is Jennifer Aniston, who's, like, one of the top morning show hosts, and she's very like, sorry, Rita Skeeter. Vibes where she's like, what can I report on Steve?

[Matt Rogers]

Carl's in it too.

[Richie Perez]

Steve Carell's in it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Briefly, Briefly.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, gotcha.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. His character drove off a cliff.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

By accident. Well, I think your vibe is very Marcia Gay Harden. What do you mean? What do you think of that name?

[Matt Rogers]

Gay Harden? I think that it's a great last name and I think Gay Harden. I think that I relate to it.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Something that resonates.

[Richie Perez]

Do you Harden?

[Matt Rogers]

So I actually do quite a bit.

[Anna Hosnier]

What's the name of the Pokemon that has hardened as a move?

[Richie Perez]

Metapod.

[Anna Hosnier]

So if Kakuna was part of the LGBTQ + community, he would be Gay Harden. Yeah, that actually might be title event. Wow, that's such a joke for Bowen Yang.

[Matt Rogers]

I loved Pokemon. Like, I. At my dad's apartment, we like. He still has the binder. I like, left it there. We had 150.

[Richie Perez]

150. All those. They're. They're. It's time to sell.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Richie Perez]

They're up in market value. Nick is nodding. Our camera guy.

[Anna Hosnier]

Are you serious?

[Richie Perez]

Sell, sell, sell. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

People will buy them?

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

For how much? How?

[Matt Rogers]

I. Yeah, like what. What would you say, if anyone's interested.

[Richie Perez]

Could go for, I think like 5k.

[Anna Hosnier]

You're kidding.

[Richie Perez]

No, Nick, what do you. What do you think? Thousands.

[Anna Hosnier]

Thousands.

[Richie Perez]

That's what I'm saying.

[Anna Hosnier]

5K. I will never forget, like, going to this. The Pokemon cart. I called it the Pokemon card store, but on Tuesdays we would go every week. And I could never buy a Charizard because it was $22. But my mom was like, hopefully you'll find it in a pack, cuz I'm not allowing you to pay $22 for a card.

[Richie Perez]

And then one day, and now she's eating her fucking hat.

[Anna Hosnier]

I don't think she understood, nor did anyone, that it would be worth thousands.

[Richie Perez]

But no one understood except us.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like, we. It was so, like, tremendously valuable. Like the feeling of getting one of the cards you wanted and also you would trade for it. There was a bit of strategy to it, of course, as well, and just trying to, like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, every card was so purposeful or something. In the holographic of it all, like, that was just like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, I remember those were like the first deals. Like, I remember, like, I got in a fight with my cousin and my aunt called our house because he regretted trading a Blastoise to me for a Venusaur. And I was like, I'm sorry, but we did say no trade backs, and that's a verbal contract.

[Richie Perez]

You got the blastoise?

[Anna Hosnier]

I got the blastoise is a better card. 100%.

[Matt Rogers]

I remember. I don't remember which card it was, but there was someone from, like, my. I think I was in fifth grade or something or middle school.

[Anna Hosnier]

That must have been hard.

[Matt Rogers]

And, yeah, this is my princess origin story. So what happened was there was this guy who was so sweet, very friendly guy.

[Richie Perez]

Gay?

[Matt Rogers]

No. I don't know. But I. I don't think so.

[Anna Hosnier]

That must have been really hard.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And he. Basically what happened was he told me he had a card that I was looking for, and he was like, yeah, I actually have three of them. And I'm like, you have three of them? He said, yeah, I do. And so then I was like, well, I have this other one. Like, I think I had two of, like, a rare one. And I was like, what if we trade? And he was like, yeah, absolutely. Like, I can meet you or if you want to come after. Like, I forget what happened. We somehow. Basically what ended up happening was I had my mom drive me to his house.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But I feel like. I don't think he actually explicitly was like, you are meeting me at my home to exchange. I think he was more like, sure, we could do it.

[Richie Perez]

This is like when a guy on Grindr is like, yeah, I'm horny. I'm down.

[Anna Hosnier]

He's like, oh, I'm horny. I'm horny. You show up. It's nothing. This is the childhood version of him. You're like, come over. I'll trade you my clefairy. You shop and there's nothing of the sort.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no. He didn't show me any cards. He was just like. He was like, oh, it's actually at my. It's at my dad's house. Like, all the cards or something.

[Anna Hosnier]

He just wanted to play with you.

[Richie Perez]

He wanted to play with you, but he keep. He. He catfished you. He meowth fished you.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, Meow fish.

[Richie Perez]

He meowth fished.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

What was the fucking deal?

[Richie Perez]

Mew was sort of like.

[Matt Rogers]

Mew was like, kind of like emo a little bit and was misunderstood.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

You think mew is emo?

[Matt Rogers]

Mew was a little bit emo. Oh, no, mewtwo.

[Richie Perez]

Mewtwo is emo.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, mewtwo is emo. Mew was like, this is fine. Like, God.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, no.

[Richie Perez]

Mew is.

[Matt Rogers]

And then it turns into like, he hardens.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, he hardens. He gay hardens.

[Matt Rogers]

He Gay hardens the poor guy. Mewtwo. And then there was that movie, the Pokemon.

[Anna Hosnier]

No, I distinctly remember that because Mewtwo was very scary.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because capable of anything. I don't know what that song was. I think it was Katy Perry. Perry. Well, not for nothing, but Dark Horse is kind of Mewtwo coded. Like it's scary as a song.

[Richie Perez]

Richard, I think you could like would you ever in Acapella.

[Matt Rogers]

No. You have an ear.

[Richie Perez]

You have an ear for like mimicking instruments. You could be a mimic.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh my God. Thank you so much.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, we have plans to do a singing show together at Joe's Pub.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm only remembering now in the moment that we decided we were gonna do a cabaret night.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

What would it be?

[Anna Hosnier]

We'd sit on two ends of the.

[Matt Rogers]

Stage and we do stand up at the same time.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, do stand up at the same exact time. Our own very different energetic sets. And then me, I'm like.

[Matt Rogers]

So tops be like. And bottoms be like.

[Anna Hosnier]

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[Anna Hosnier]

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[Unknown]

So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Matt Rogers]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Unknown]

There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News. It's Teddy Escapes Blonde Drowns. And in A strange way, right. That sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?

Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

[Anna Hosnier]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Unknown]

The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America.

[Richie Perez]

America's royal family.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on.

[Anna Hosnier]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Richie Perez]

What's it like to have, like, juicy asses? Both of you are. Are juicy ass queens.

[Anna Hosnier]

Please.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, like, in a. In a physical sense.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Or like, the energy.

[Anna Hosnier]

No, you do answer that question.

[Richie Perez]

Matt could drop it to the floor and people would erupt and scream. You can take a picture from behind. You've done, like, the bunny feet. The bunny feet. So if you don't know, Richard is, I think, also very famous for his bunny feet photos. Right. It's like the feet peeking. It's like you're taking a photo above.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. You're kind of like on your knees on the ground, and your feet. You're like, sitting on your feet.

[Richie Perez]

You're sitting on.

[Matt Rogers]

Your toes are kind of poking out of your bum.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But you're taking a photo from above. So it just looks like a little, like rabbit. Yeah, like a little. I call it bunny feet.

[Richie Perez]

Am I making people uncomfortable by.

[Anna Hosnier]

No, no, no. I'm. I'm more comfortable now than I was.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I'm glad you addressed it.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm happy that we're just breaking down the walls like it was an elephant in the room.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because I gotta say, I. I have.

[Richie Perez]

I have Hank Hill ass.

[Matt Rogers]

You hang.

[Richie Perez]

You're hanging. Hank Hill has nothing.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's not the hill.

[Richie Perez]

Peggy Hill is the only member of the. Of the Hill family, King of the hill. That has an ass.

[Anna Hosnier]

Dad ass.

[Richie Perez]

Dad ass.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

So I have Hank Hill ass. And I guess.

[Anna Hosnier]

But you have. You have some of the most iconic legs.

[Richie Perez]

I was going to say I'd rather have a good ass, but having.

[Anna Hosnier]

Having such strong legs does make your ass sit higher. Like, you don't have no ass. That's not true. I understand that that might be a lie you're telling yourself, but, like, that's not true.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like catfish. Like, I feel like my ass isn't. Like, it's not actually real, Richard. It's all an illusion.

[Anna Hosnier]

Can we. Can we just, like, not see it, but, like, do you want to, like.

[Richie Perez]

Can you get up? I'm sorry. Unless you're uncomfortable.

[Anna Hosnier]

Can you twirl for us?

[Richie Perez]

You twirl.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, what up? Like, don't do this. Like, also what I'm wearing.

[Richie Perez]

I, like.

[Matt Rogers]

I just wanted to keep, like, the illusion of, like, I don't know. Maybe I'm like, Arcade.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, yeah, That's Arcade Fire.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

You want people at home to watch and say, that's Arcade Fire?

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God. Should we say the episode is with Arcade Fire?

[Richie Perez]

One person.

[Anna Hosnier]

Gay Harden.

[Richie Perez]

Gay Harden. With Arcade.

[Anna Hosnier]

Harden. With Arcade Fire. But if you would, you would have to actually have hit the episode to know that it was Richard Perez. We don't should do that. We want everyone to know.

[Richie Perez]

We want everyone to know.

[Anna Hosnier]

Right when they see the Social. Is this Arcade Fire? You know that song? I don't know.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like.

[Richie Perez]

It's like it was where the Wild Things Are.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes. Where the Wild Things Are. Oh, I might like them then, because I liked that. You have such a good, easy tone. And every time I do hear you singing, I'm always, like, so blown away by how easy your access is and your resonators. Have you ever smoked a cigarette or had an alcoholic beverage in your life?

[Matt Rogers]

I. I've Smoking. I don't know how to do that, really. I tried, and it goes bad. Like, I bought a pack of cigarettes when I was, like, a freshman in college. Cause, you know, it's like how you meet people, too. Like, everyone's outside.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's what they told you. That must have been hard.

[Matt Rogers]

No, like, where I went to college, like, my freshman sophomore year, I was in Delaware first. And there was my princess origin story.

[Anna Hosnier]

Princess of Delaware.

[Richie Perez]

Thought it was the cards.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's Ashley Biden's vibe. Oh, girl.

[Matt Rogers]

Omg.

[Richie Perez]

Wait, so you grew up in Delaware?

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. I grew up. No, no, no. So I'm the princess of New Jersey, But I did take a little bit of time. I spent some time in Delaware and.

[Anna Hosnier]

Then for the taxes.

[Matt Rogers]

For the taxes. And I got in trouble with some stuff in Jersey, so my parents sent me to Delaware for two years. And so then, like, I.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wait, stop.

[Richie Perez]

What's the trouble with Jersey? What was the trouble. What was the trouble in Princess Origin Story?

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay, well, this must have been hard. Whatever this is. Must have been. Oh, that's fake.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you serious?

[Anna Hosnier]

Love it. It's really good. This is what I'm saying. Like, literally, really good vocal. Your vocal stylings are like Liza Minnelli.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you so much.

[Anna Hosnier]

Your comedy stylings are like Liza Minnelli.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you so much.

[Anna Hosnier]

What was the trouble in Jersey?

[Matt Rogers]

I think I was just, like. I was indie and so, like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Say no more.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was just.

[Richie Perez]

You're indie?

[Matt Rogers]

I was a bit mew at first, and then I got mew, too.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And so then, like, I went to Delaware. I was like, I gotta get away from here.

[Richie Perez]

Okay, okay, okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, indie emo. I was just like, I gotta, like. This is like. You guys, like.

[Richie Perez]

How old were you in Delaware?

[Matt Rogers]

I was 18. Freshman year of college.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

Okay. Was this UD.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. This was a school that doesn't exist anymore called Delaware College of Art and Design. It closed down, like, a couple years ago.

[Anna Hosnier]

Dcad.

[Matt Rogers]

Dcad?

[Anna Hosnier]

Did they call it dcad? Like, scad?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, like SCAD and their sister schools. They were sister schools with Pratt and Corcoran.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, wow.

[Matt Rogers]

And so, like, people generally would go there and then transfer to either school. And so that's what my mission was. I was like, I'm right here. And then I ultimately want to get.

[Anna Hosnier]

To New York, and then.

[Richie Perez]

Wait, when did you move to New York again?

[Matt Rogers]

2011.

[Anna Hosnier]

Right on time.

[Richie Perez]

Right on time.

[Matt Rogers]

When did y' all move?

[Richie Perez]

Huh?

[Matt Rogers]

When did y' all move here?

[Anna Hosnier]

2008.

[Matt Rogers]

2008.

[Anna Hosnier]

So we got here and then sort of everything changed. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

Were you here when. When they got bin Laden? Because that was 2011.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't actually, I think that was in the beginning of the year. Right.

[Richie Perez]

Bin Laden was May. I remember.

[Anna Hosnier]

You really remember the. Don't we all?

[Richie Perez]

Like, where were you in bin Laden?

[Anna Hosnier]

To be honest with you, I don't remember where I was when they got bin Laden.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like I was in my, like, sophomore year, like, apartment when I found.

[Richie Perez]

So you were in Delaware still?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but no, the Thailand isn't. But when I moved to New York, the next day, the earthquake happened.

[Richie Perez]

What earthquake?

[Anna Hosnier]

Which one?

[Matt Rogers]

There was an earthquake here.

[Anna Hosnier]

There was not.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

Now you're.

[Matt Rogers]

Now August 2011.

[Richie Perez]

This is Mandela effect.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

So then you moved in August.

[Bowen Yang]

That's.

[Anna Hosnier]

You know what the Mandela effect is?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

We'll explain it then.

[Matt Rogers]

What? That is, you guys. Mandela effect is something that can happen when you start to think that things are going a certain way. It was always different.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Well, that's a great way of putting it.

[Anna Hosnier]

What is it? Berenstein Bears.

[Richie Perez]

Do you stain or Berenstain.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah, Beren. Yes.

[Richie Perez]

And it's been. And it's Berenstain in this timeline.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

Got it.

[Matt Rogers]

But y' all remember the earthquake?

[Anna Hosnier]

Honestly, no, I don't remember the earthquake. I think I remember one happening more recently.

[Matt Rogers]

There was.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, there was one last summer. Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

There's one last summer. But then it hasn't happened since. Since this one in 2011.

[Anna Hosnier]

But, you know, even when I'm in LA, I don't feel them. My group chat will be like, earthquake, all caps. And I'll be like, what? Really? And, like. And I'll be like, I didn't feel it. I never feel them.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Anna Hosnier]

I felt them maybe a couple times. One time, famously, when we were in Palm Springs.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

In a restaurant.

[Richie Perez]

That was fun. Not fun. I'm sorry. That was shocking. That was shocking.

[Anna Hosnier]

Everything's knocking down Cat, cat, cat, cat, cat Ow me When the big one hits. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Just, like, tossing it back, like. All right. What's that song about? Yes.

[Richie Perez]

See the vocal quality? I'm telling you.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, I mean, listen, I guess we just have to stop smoking.

[Richie Perez]

We just have to stop smoking.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, okay. Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

Weed for me, Cigarettes for mo. And also weed.

[Matt Rogers]

So my prince has origin. So, like, I. So I went to this very small art school, and just there was basically two dorms or an apartment building that students lived in, and then there was a dorm and then the school, which was really small, and people would hang out outside the dorm just smoking cigarettes and whatever. And so I was trying to make friends. And so this. I was 18, so I was like, okay, I can buy cigarettes. So I went for it. And. And then I just. I don't know. Anytime I've tried to smoke, I just, like, end up, like, coughing for, like, 30 minutes. And I don't know how to, like, inhale. Same with.

[Richie Perez]

You're not supposed to, right?

[Matt Rogers]

You're not supposed to.

[Richie Perez]

No, I'm sorry. You are.

[Anna Hosnier]

I will say this. Like, it takes me. So when Bowen Yang whips out cigarettes, which is every day.

[Richie Perez]

Not really, but sure.

[Anna Hosnier]

Has it been more recently? Because we've been doing a lot, and there's sort of. What is it with you and cigarettes? Like, when you. You whip out a cigarette, like, why are you doing that? Physiologically, it's a first.

[Richie Perez]

Stress. Oral fixation and stress. It's like. Let's say. I'm gonna say it's like six a week.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay. And I do it for community, which is like, I would never think to buy it by myself. But when there's one around, like, I will have a cigarette with Bowen or a friend.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Anna Hosnier]

But it takes me a second every time to not cough.

[Richie Perez]

Right.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm not because I smoke so much weed. And that is of course a different mechanism.

[Matt Rogers]

Even weed too. Like, I tried to get into it and every time vaping is what I'm like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh my God.

[Matt Rogers]

Like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, especially when you first moved to New York, did you have the same experience? When I first moved to New York, I was going to hookah bars.

[Matt Rogers]

All right. God, like I'm a adult.

[Richie Perez]

The hookah era of New York. Remember Horace on Avenue A?

[Anna Hosnier]

I actually do, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

I think it's still there.

[Anna Hosnier]

Really?

[Matt Rogers]

I think it is.

[Richie Perez]

It's a hookah bar. Like the theme is like, it's right.

[Matt Rogers]

By the bagel place or whatever.

[Anna Hosnier]

There's probably a lot of bagel places. New York.

[Richie Perez]

New York City, hun.

[Anna Hosnier]

Anyway, we can't be sure. Yeah. How did you. You had Whistletowne. Can you do whistle tone?

[Richie Perez]

Try whistletone.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes. No, that wasn't a whistle tone.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, okay. I don't know.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh my God. I feel. I feel scared. Yeah, that's probably cool.

[Matt Rogers]

Spread your wings and fly.

[Anna Hosnier]

Did you have a show tone when you were young? I would imagine I did, actually.

[Matt Rogers]

I used to listen to my. I would visit my dad on the weekends and he would buy me like Mariah. The Mariah Carey, like, dad. He bought me like her greatest hits album. Like the black and white one. The number ones.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And then he also bought me the Celine Dion one. One of them. The one that's like all the way. Yes. Yeah, yeah, all the way.

[Anna Hosnier]

And we have the same.

[Matt Rogers]

And then Whitney.

[Anna Hosnier]

Whitney, the greatest hits.

[Richie Perez]

That's such a good cover.

[Anna Hosnier]

The Whitney one is great because the first one, the red one is the ballads and the blue one was remix. Yeah, yeah. So Whitney has so many good ones. Yes, she probably out of the three of them, that was probably the best. Greatest one.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, definitely.

[Matt Rogers]

It takes you on such a journey.

[Richie Perez]

It's such a journey. There's a remix of Queen of the Night on that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

Incredible.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes. See what I'm saying?

[Matt Rogers]

It's so good. So my dad, on the weekends we would go. I'd visit him and he would bring me with. He cleaned offices on the weekends.

[Anna Hosnier]

He cleaned offices and listened to divas.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. On the weekends he would. Would like drive us there, like me and my brother. But then we would like hang out sometimes we'd help him. But mostly we were just like. There was vending machines with like free candy. So we would just like hang out there.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's such a thing.

[Richie Perez]

It's like going to your dad's office where there's free soda, free candy.

[Matt Rogers]

Perfect. And then being like, I'm in heaven.

[Anna Hosnier]

And so would you imbibe on the way?

[Matt Rogers]

I would have my headphones on blasting Addison Rae. Yeah, literally.

[Anna Hosnier]

You are Addison Rae, Cody.

[Richie Perez]

You're the Addison Rae of comedy.

[Matt Rogers]

You really are.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's the princess that you are. Princess Addison.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my gosh.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's a good title.

[Richie Perez]

That's a good title.

[Matt Rogers]

Princess Addison Arcade Fire.

[Richie Perez]

Gay hearted.

[Matt Rogers]

Gay hearted.

[Anna Hosnier]

Kakuna might be too many words.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, no.

[Richie Perez]

Really?

[Matt Rogers]

But just make sure my name is first.

[Richie Perez]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Richard Perez, the Princess Addison Arcade Fire.

[Richie Perez]

Well, you're really quiet. I can't really understand you.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, I bet.

[Matt Rogers]

Just.

[Anna Hosnier]

Are you doing asmr?

[Matt Rogers]

Just make sure you guys include my name, please.

[Anna Hosnier]

We'll include your name. That was just a bit, I think.

[Richie Perez]

On the subject of your voice, unless this makes you uncomfortable, because I did earlier ask you to show your ass to everyone, which I don't know why, but I think what is it about your sensuality as a performer? Because it's really magnetic.

[Anna Hosnier]

You lead with it.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. Thank you. What is it about my sensuality?

[Richie Perez]

Well, because I think one of the. The thing that shook shook me, I'll always remember. This is just. It's just the moments of you posting videos where it's, you know, POV of.

[Anna Hosnier]

You getting fucked up. I think that was when it changed for me. That's what I was like, okay, this is a Comedy Central comic to watch. Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

And the companion piece to that is the album which I was trying to find the other day, by the way, and I couldn't, was the Alamo Drafthouse film that gets interrupted because someone.

[Matt Rogers]

Because people are using their phones or something.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because people using their phones.

[Richie Perez]

And you came on screen as the general manager of the Alamo Drafthouse saying, guys, put your. I'm so serious. Put your fucking phones away. But it would be during these lovemaking scenes while you were in the closet at work.

[Anna Hosnier]

You were like, ah, ah.

[Richie Perez]

See, I tried to do it now and I felt self conscious. And I was like, I can't totally tap into that.

[Matt Rogers]

Maybe I used to. I mean, I mean, I could. I definitely am so self conscious, like, sexually. But, like, I. I don't know. I think maybe it's because if the real thing is happening, I'm like, what?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

So it's a place to externalize.

[Matt Rogers]

If it's just like, I'm like, in the fantasy. Fantasy of it, then I'm like, I can totally just, like, I've been trying.

[Richie Perez]

To merge the two.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I'm trying to, too.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

I recently had phone sex, which I've never done in my life, and it was so fun. Just on the phone or, like, on the phone?

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Vintage phone call. Yeah, just a regular phone call. And it was spontaneous and, like, the. We were on the phone for, like, an hour and a half. Hot. It's like. So we were, like, building a scene and, like, we were, like, doing. Yeah, it was so fun, like, and I was, like, getting used to, like, my voice earnestly saying things or whatever, and I'm just like. I'm like, this is my sexual, like, self. Like, my true, like, desire or something. I'm like, let me, like, try to, like, own it right now. Cause I hide behind it as, like, joking around and stuff, but, you know, and being like, you know, doing these bits and even, like, live performances and stuff like that. But I was like, let me try to, like, express this in a true way. And then after, like, 30 minutes of that, then we were like, so, like, where did you grow up?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Okay, so it's. It started in a sexual place. You know, I actually think that people are on to something with this thing of, like, if you, like, somebody really with gays, like, have sex first and then go to dinner and stuff, because then you don't have to, like, negotiate whatever the hell that all is. You know what I mean?

[Richie Perez]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Anna Hosnier]

If you. If you find that you can get on the same page as someone, like, oh, we like each other, and we're sexually interested in each other, I've actually found that that's actually a nice way to date someone, is to be like, okay, we're. We're not in our heads the entire time we're hanging out thinking about whether or not we're gonna kiss, whether or not we're gonna have sex, how far it's gonna go. Right. Like, you figure that out immediately. If that part doesn't go great, then you kind of save the time.

[Richie Perez]

Totally.

[Anna Hosnier]

Not to say, lead with sex and, like, that's better, but I'm just saying, as an option, it's been at least like.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially if you get in your head, like, to kind of, like, break the ice that way.

[Anna Hosnier]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

And then especially because I feel like every date I'm. I'm getting better with it, but I.

[Anna Hosnier]

Feel like I'm, like, performing a little.

[Matt Rogers]

Or I'm instant that. And I'm also thinking, like, the whole time, it's like there's like a intrusive thought. It's just like, he's not into. He's not into. He's not attracted. He's looking. His eyes shifted. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Like, oh, he's disengaging for me. It's. I'm always fixated on whether it's not about sex. It's whether or not we're going to kiss at the.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh my gosh. I am crazy about dinner, but I can feel the dates ending. Like, I'm like, what's going to happen? How do we say bye? What's going to happen? And I'm just like. And then. And then on the outside, I'm just like, huh?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

To the point where I'm like, when the food comes, I actually get. I get upset when the.

[Richie Perez]

Why do you get upset when the food comes?

[Anna Hosnier]

Because when the food comes, it's like, oh my God, like we moved on to another stage of. Of this. We're getting closer to the moment where we're gonna find out that part.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Richie Perez]

That's interesting.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's entirely an anxious response. You identify with that a thousand. It's cuz I. It's cuz we were actually just talking about this on the walk over here. Like, we have two very different responses to being anxious.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, I have like a very anxious response to things and he has like a more like, I guess. Would you call like a depressive response?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, it goes down because I go, okay, like, and then. And then. Then it's just a downward slope. But both.

[Matt Rogers]

You mean, like, do you kind of withdraw or something?

[Richie Perez]

Are you like, this is like I withdraw. And this is to Matt's point about leading with sex or just starting with it being. I'm gonna say for me, it sounds like the better option because this is what happens. I've been on either side of this where you go on dates, they're great. And then for some reason, the anxiety of sex coming up is the thing that, like. And if it doesn't go well, like, what does this mean? Then people pull away or they pull away before the sex even. So then if you're ripping the seal off of sex and then you're like, okay, pressure's off, let's just get to know each other. Like, like the pillow talk after the phone sex.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Then it's like low stakes.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Anna Hosnier]

You're also a lot less likely to perform like, or like, be fake or be a version of yourself. That's not true. If someone has already seen, like, your hole up close.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's true. Yeah, that's true.

[Richie Perez]

I don't know why I went to balls. You went to a hole?

[Anna Hosnier]

I mean, that says a lot. Too depressive, anxious. You know what I mean? That's just sort of the binary up and up in here.

[Richie Perez]

Balls is depression.

[Matt Rogers]

Balls is depression for me.

[Anna Hosnier]

Balls is depression. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Honestly, Hole is so anxious.

[Anna Hosnier]

I just don't. Balls for me. Maybe it's because mine are so sensitive, and whenever guys are interacting with them, it's, like, hurt. It's, like, painful when guys want me to, like, lick their balls, suck their balls. Like, I'm always just like, okay. I mean, it's not my favorite. I don't like balls, but I love balls.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I don't crave it, but I'm like, this is cute.

[Richie Perez]

Balls, balls. Like, depression. It's just something that's there.

[Anna Hosnier]

Are you balls? Do you like balls?

[Richie Perez]

Balls? It depends. Every now and then I'm like, balls.

[Anna Hosnier]

Are your balls resilient?

[Richie Perez]

I would say they are. I. I've got. I've got good balls.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I think I do, too. I don't think I'm so.

[Anna Hosnier]

I think mine are good. I mean, they certainly work. It's just like, I'm producing.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

But I don't. But they are incredibly sensitive.

[Richie Perez]

Holes are.

[Matt Rogers]

I am so, so sensitive.

[Richie Perez]

Hole is anxiety. Because it is.

[Anna Hosnier]

How am I gonna do this?

[Richie Perez]

You should do an impression. You should do that in the show. This is my impression of a.

[Anna Hosnier]

Nice to meet you.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel insane. Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

But wait, that's chi.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, that's hole.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm so much more comfortable with my hole than my balls. Like, my hole, please.

[Matt Rogers]

I want to get there so much.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, golly.

[Matt Rogers]

I really want to get there. It's like a.

[Richie Perez]

Damn. Damn.

[Anna Hosnier]

I don't know what it is, but maybe it's because. Well, whatever. Like, I was so, so, so not okay with anyone, like, doing whole stuff to me until later. And then when I became that way, I was like, oh, my God. It's like, that's when my life begins. And you know what's crazy is, like, that's a Mandy Moore song. And I think, like, you know, she loves the podcast. Like, she's probably gonna hear me talk about, like. Like, comfort withhold. So I lay my head back down and I lift my hands and pray to be only yours I pray to be only yours I pray to be only yours I know now you're my only.

[Richie Perez]

Hope.

[Anna Hosnier]

You know, it's not the first time we've done that entire part of the song.

[Richie Perez]

When was the last time? 2011. The earthquake.

[Anna Hosnier]

I think it's happened since. But maybe.

[Richie Perez]

Maybe we will.

[Anna Hosnier]

I would imagine. I probably do. I don't know about y', all, but probably that comes up as a thing to sing at least once a year.

[Richie Perez]

Absolutely. Oh, at least.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's one of the great songs, actually.

[Matt Rogers]

It really is.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, I call it one of the great scenes in film.

[Richie Perez]

Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

I also just love like. Like I recently rewatched Laguna beach and there's that one.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh my God. You did. Did you see Overlapping else on Christian Cavallari's podcast?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Richie Perez]

LC is on Christen Cavallari's podcast. It's huge.

[Matt Rogers]

This is recent.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, I have to watch it. That's culture.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm immediately gonna watch that after this.

[Richie Perez]

Of course. You know, the thing about being outdoors and entertaining your friends outdoors is a gorgeous, gorgeous, affordable little bin to stuff all the covers and the tchotchkes and the things and the bobs.

[Anna Hosnier]

You need your bins. And this is the thing about Wayfair too is they've got so much more than just furniture. I actually bought a vacuum cleaner that I absolutely love and that was a Wayfair buy, baby. So listen, if you're needing to clean up the house, do your thing. If you need a little backyard get together, et cetera, Wayfair's your one stop shop for outdoor entertaining.

[Richie Perez]

Cookout shop, patio tables, grills and dishware. Game night. Wayfair's got cornhole croquet and string lights.

[Anna Hosnier]

To set the scene with fast and easy shipping. It's never been easier to get ready to partay.

[Richie Perez]

So however you kick back outback, go to Wayfair for effortless entertaining and game filled gatherings. Get big stuff like patio sets, gazebos, hot tubs, outdoor dining sets and more. Shipped free. Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and way more for way less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to explore our huge outdoor selection.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's W A Y F A I R.com Wayfair Every style, every home.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Unknown]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Matt Rogers]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Unknown]

There's a famous headline, I think, in the New York Daily News. It's teddy Escapes Blonde drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?

Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

[Anna Hosnier]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Unknown]

The Kennedys have lived through destruction, grace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on.

[Anna Hosnier]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joseph Reeves]

Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time of.

[Matt Rogers]

It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done.

[Joseph Reeves]

But did you know that before it went down in history, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia.

[Anna Hosnier]

The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable.

[Joseph Reeves]

In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ rights.

[Anna Hosnier]

Started banging on the door of the Stonewall like one.

[Matt Rogers]

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Joseph Reeves]

Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans rights, threw the very first brick.

[Matt Rogers]

She was really, like, scrubbed out of that history.

[Joseph Reeves]

This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Anna Hosnier]

Now, tell us what that is in terms of. Of Kristen and Elsie, in terms of your recent viewing of Laguna Beach.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

What was your take on Kristen and Elsie? I would love to know in a 2025 lens, I think.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, okay, from. Mind you, I watched this five years ago, and a lot has happened.

[Anna Hosnier]

So you were watching it in 2020.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

So everything was all fucked up. Yeah. It was such a blur.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't necessarily remember so the details of their dynamic, but I do feel like. Like, I mean, I don't know. I relate to both of them. I feel like Elsie was a bit more, like, maybe insecure or something. Like, she seemed more eish to me.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like she was. Elsie was always. I mean, obviously, like, she's the iconic. She's. What? She's more b. I think she's b. No, definitely whole. Yeah. No, for sure. And.

[Matt Rogers]

And this is a.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is a binary that makes perfect sense to me.

[Richie Perez]

No, Elsie is balls, for sure.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Remember when. When Elsie, like, didn't go to Paris.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Which I think about every day. I think about that every day.

[Anna Hosnier]

What would you have done?

[Matt Rogers]

I would have gone to Paris.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, yes. What was the name of the guy? Justin. Bobby.

[Matt Rogers]

No, Jason.

[Anna Hosnier]

Jason. Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

Justin Bobby is Audrina's guy.

[Anna Hosnier]

And what were your. What's your take on Audrina?

[Matt Rogers]

Audrina is like, I love her.

[Richie Perez]

I love her.

[Matt Rogers]

I love a person that's just, like, kind of. Of, like, smiling and kind of, like, dead eyed a little bit.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is Adriana.

[Matt Rogers]

She's like, I don't see, like, what I did wrong. Like, I don't know, but I feel for her. Like, I feel like she is, like, put in these circumstances that are, like, stressful.

[Anna Hosnier]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

And she's kind of trying to, like, make things. I don't know.

[Richie Perez]

She's trying to diffuse things.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, she's trying to diffuse. You know, I really relate to that.

[Anna Hosnier]

Is this anything that I'm doing right now? Like, this is my Audrina impression.

[Richie Perez]

That's Audrey.

[Matt Rogers]

Na. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

[Richie Perez]

You know, I will never forget when.

[Matt Rogers]

She'S uncomfortable, when she's happy, like, ketamine and it's kind of like, I don't know, even, like, Kourtney Kardashian has that, too.

[Anna Hosnier]

I would agree.

[Matt Rogers]

Where there's always a smile while, like.

[Anna Hosnier]

They'Re the same tone.

[Matt Rogers]

I love that. Yeah, Like, I love that tone.

[Richie Perez]

They're the same tone. They're.

[Anna Hosnier]

Wait, I love that tone.

[Richie Perez]

Audrina is pussy.

[Matt Rogers]

Lauren is balls.

[Anna Hosnier]

You know, Audrina wants, like, this is my favorite Audrina Patrick fact. And this is something that I think. Do the math. Only I know. Okay, if any of you know this. This, please let me know. Audrina Patridge won an award for acting in Sorority Row. It was called the Show West Female Star of Tomorrow award that they gave to the entire cast of Sorority Row, which people forget that Audrina Patridge was in it, but so was Rumor Willis. Oh, my God. The entire cast won this award, and I swear to God, it was the same award that, like, Anne Hathaway had won when she was, like, a new star.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

Every. I'm going to look.

[Richie Perez]

Why don't we know this?

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm going to look up, like, the history of. Of the female.

[Richie Perez]

I don't know what Sorority Row is either, but I want to share a quick thing about Audrina Patridge. What?

[Anna Hosnier]

You don't know Sorority Row?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

You're a horror girl.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh.

[Richie Perez]

Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a horror movie.

[Anna Hosnier]

Share this Share the Audrina story I.

[Richie Perez]

Will never forget my Audrina. Sort of thing that I will always associate with her is there was an Us Weekly. Mind you, this was the mid aughts where they were doing celebrity diets. And her quote, it's her in a bikini and then in a big burst in a bubble, it's her quote, she says, sometimes. Sometimes you don't have to eat the whole burger. I'll eat a burger and I'll have a couple bites and I'll put it down. And I thought at the time, wow, that's so incredible. The most. I'm sorry, Ed thing, totally. These poor girls were fucking on TV in their teens and twenties being fucking picked apart. I don't know if the culture was ever good around reality TV in terms of the audience, but, like. Like, I feel like with those hills, with those Laguna beach hills people, I'm like, oh, my God, you.

[Anna Hosnier]

You were.

[Richie Perez]

You were put through the fucking ringer. And I remember watching one episode of the City with Whitney and then being done.

[Anna Hosnier]

Literally, I'm right.

[Richie Perez]

Okay, wow.

[Anna Hosnier]

2009, they won the female Star of Tomorrow, and literally, so is Vanessa Hudgens. So as Chris Pine, Emile Hirsch. Wow. Abigail Breslin, Shia LaBeouf. This goes all the way back to. Mark Hamill won it. But emma Roberts in 2007, look, Brandon Routh. Jennifer Hudson won in 2006.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, wait, what's this award called? It's the.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's the Show West Star of Tomorrow award. And they would pick, like, a male and a female, and they would give out the awards. And Audrina Patridge, as part of the cast of Sorority Row, won this award. Wow. Who's the most recent person tomorrow? It was.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, they're still doing.

[Richie Perez]

I bet she's a fantastic actor. I don't think I've seen her work.

[Matt Rogers]

I think you kind of have to be like a bit of a vessel.

[Richie Perez]

A vessel. See, I think Elsie was maybe had more like. Was too much. Had too much space in the vessel. You know what I mean? Like, I was more. Love Lauren Conrad for life.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I love her.

[Richie Perez]

I was watching for Spencer and Heidi.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, God.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

By what I mean, I mean, I could literally look at that list all.

[Matt Rogers]

Day and see, like, it's like.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's like a Best New Artist thing. It's like, who actually made it, who did it like, Hailee Steinfeld, 2013 made it.

[Richie Perez]

Totally.

[Anna Hosnier]

Anyway. Yeah, no, just fucking Heidi and Spencer. Like, they had staying power, too.

[Richie Perez]

They did. And still, like, they're still in the culture in a way.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my gosh.

[Anna Hosnier]

It makes news when she didn't. She. Yeah, because her wig artist.

[Richie Perez]

Her wig artist, like, kind of. Kind of pulled a prank on her on a carpet recently.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, really?

[Anna Hosnier]

Prank on her?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Meaning.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, put her in a bad way.

[Richie Perez]

Her hairline was low. That's all.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's odd. It happens.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, truly. Truly.

[Anna Hosnier]

It does.

[Richie Perez]

It happened to me.

[Anna Hosnier]

Went on snl. No, those hairlines are right.

[Richie Perez]

No. Jody Queen.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Wait, I want to know more about this. Well, you don't have to go into it.

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what was the culture that made.

[Anna Hosnier]

Here's a question, Richard Perez. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you? You know, this is when we actually have to have answers.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. By the way, I've listened to this podcast for years.

[Anna Hosnier]

Stop.

[Matt Rogers]

Since, like, I got into it around, like, 2018.

[Anna Hosnier]

Really?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And, like, I used to work, like, at an office job, and I was just like, listen, this is before I was performing. And I was just like, listen to you guys. And, like, find out about, like, so many comedians I'm, like, now, like, such a big fan of. And some of I've become friends with. And, like, you know, I didn't know that. You didn't know that?

[Anna Hosnier]

No. You never told us that.

[Richie Perez]

You never told us.

[Anna Hosnier]

Thank you for that.

[Matt Rogers]

And so this, like, feels so surreal to be chatting with both of you as a guest, and we burst into tears. But I've actually. And I remember one time I met you really briefly at Metro. Huh. But it was, like, such a quick exchange, and I was, like, so starstruck. And I was like. I was like, hi, Bowen. I listen to your podcast.

[Anna Hosnier]

I love it.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, I. Yeah, Yeah. I think you put your hand in my face. Yeah, and then you did a shot.

[Anna Hosnier]

Bitch, I'm trying to take my shot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, and then you took a shot of your big, poofy dress, made your ass look fat.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, so you're gaslighting my ass now?

[Matt Rogers]

Well, no, you. You had the.

[Richie Perez]

The bounce.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God, that thing. I always wondered what that hell that was.

[Richie Perez]

No, that's a gay thing. It's like, we all want to know what that is. We all wish we had.

[Matt Rogers]

I know. I think of, like, Cinderella, like, Cinderella's mother.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, like, come, come, come, girls.

[Matt Rogers]

And they were able. They bounce.

[Anna Hosnier]

Come, come, Come, girls. And they would say, oh. And then they would snarl on the way out. Because here's the thing about Cinderella's stepmother and the sisters. They at least knew they were awful. Yeah, they knew they were rotted. They never even tried to be nice. They were never.

[Richie Perez]

They.

[Anna Hosnier]

They lived it, snorted it and fucked it. Yeah, Truly.

[Richie Perez]

Truly. So what was the culture that made you sick?

[Anna Hosnier]

All right.

[Matt Rogers]

So sorry. So sorry. So funny enough that we're talking about. About the hills and all this stuff I wrote down in my notes that my culture. Okay, so this isn't okay. It's to the year 2007 is what I will say is my answer for, like, culture that made me say cultures. For me, like, I feel like it's such a big year in media culture, like, the world. But. But even just, like, personally for me, I feel like that. That was definitely, like, a time that I took things in in a different way and especially trying to visualize, like, what my life could look like and starting to have, like, really more vivid dreams of, like, oh, like a city life of, you know, either LA or New York or, you know, Gossip Girl came out that year. Like, there was. I don't know, even, like, the music, like, getting, like, more like indie and stuff like that. Like, I feel like that was around that time.

[Anna Hosnier]

What were the. What were the touch points?

[Richie Perez]

So Gossip Girl, Britney vma.

[Matt Rogers]

Gossip Girl, Britney Blackout.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, a blackout. Of course.

[Matt Rogers]

I started working at Panera Bread.

[Anna Hosnier]

Was this already. So Panera Bread was already huge, though, right?

[Richie Perez]

This actually Panera was. Panera was like the new girl in 2007, literally.

[Anna Hosnier]

Panera bread will always live on the same byline to me as Kristin Cavallari. I mean, I do. I do feel like. I do feel like they were both. Both at their imperial phase at the same time. Panera Bread and Christian. And by the way, I have Panera Bread, like, three times a week. You know, I have the. You pick two. Yeah, all the time. But I can recognize that it was around that time that they were at their peak.

[Richie Perez]

U pick 2 is still to this day, one of the best food Systems, period.

[Anna Hosnier]

Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

100.

[Anna Hosnier]

Absolutely. And you don't need more than that.

[Richie Perez]

No, no.

[Anna Hosnier]

Here's what I'd say. You get your half sandwich, and I always do get the bowl of soup.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I sometimes get a salad. I get the Fuji Jacob salad.

[Anna Hosnier]

Sure, sure.

[Matt Rogers]

Once in a while.

[Richie Perez]

But you start working Panera in 2007.

[Matt Rogers]

So I started. I worked at Panera Bread in 2007. What were you doing? All the tasks they would, like, move us around. So, like, I mostly did, like, cashier or like, I'd clean the, like, dining room, like, duty.

[Anna Hosnier]

Soda. Soda Stream, too. The Panera Bread. Didn't you think Panera Bread was one of the chains and Delta work knows what I'm talking about.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Always. Their soda machines, I felt were some of the better quality.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Richie Perez]

Yes. Good carbonation. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But also okay. Like, when I started working there, they told us in training that, you know, like, their ethos or. I don't know, like, they were kind of just like, we're a break from the day to day. Like life, you know, like work and all this crazy commotion that we're an oasis from.

[Anna Hosnier]

All of that is an oasis.

[Matt Rogers]

So we would Never.

[Anna Hosnier]

Agriculture number 100.

[Richie Perez]

Panera is an oasis. So that was what you were told.

[Matt Rogers]

So. But they were like, we would never open in a major city.

[Anna Hosnier]

Lying.

[Matt Rogers]

We would never do that.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's capitalism for you.

[Matt Rogers]

So then, like, that's 2007. But then what's crazy is that when. Because then like, I. When I went to college, like, when I was in Delaware, I would work at. I would be home on the holidays or summer, and I would work at Jersey. In Jersey. Yeah. And so then I would work there again. But then I was officially done with it when I moved to New York. And then guess they opened. They opened in 2011.

[Richie Perez]

Until J Street. J Street.

[Anna Hosnier]

Metro Tech.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because I. I feel like I associate the. The New York Panera as. You know what I'm going to say.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

The Chelsea one.

[Anna Hosnier]

I was going to say Union Square.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, no, the Union Square one, of course.

[Anna Hosnier]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

It's closed.

[Anna Hosnier]

The Union Square one closed?

[Matt Rogers]

I think so.

[Anna Hosnier]

And so did the TGI Fridays. This city is going down. Zoran Sa.

[Richie Perez]

Why is that not the theme song? You can use that.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is huge for his campaign.

[Richie Perez]

We're gonna play this for him.

[Matt Rogers]

Please send it to him. He can use it for free.

[Richie Perez]

That's so nice. Free buses. Free song.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You give me the free buses, I'll.

[Anna Hosnier]

Give you the free song.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

A little tip. Wow. And you had texture on that one. That was g. That was giving. Like Springsteen.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Do you ever like to. You ever think about throwing on a hey at the end, like Jennifer Holiday, you know? Yes. Wait, the Panera?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So I started working at Panera Bread. And then also I started going to New York City for the first time, alone or with friends, without my parents. And so one of my friends, she moved to our town a few years prior and she grew up in Brooklyn. And so she moved to New Jersey from Brooklyn, so. And she was, like, so stylish, so funny.

[Anna Hosnier]

She knew something.

[Matt Rogers]

She just, like, had fantastic taste, too, and, like, music, like, everything. I just thought she was so cool. And so, like, like, me, her, and, like, my, like, bestie, like, we would go, like, she would be like, do you guys want to come with me to.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

To Soho. To soho. And, you know, we can go shopping. And, you know, I was just starting to make money at Panera Bread, so, like, I would save some of that. And then we'd go to soho and go to, like, American Apparel and, like, Urban Outfitters. And, like, that was, like, couture and, like, that was that far. So, like, no one. This isn't in our malls just yet.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Or if it is, it's, like, far.

[Anna Hosnier]

Away from the one that I remember American Apparel being. I actually distinctly remember walking in there the. Right across from nyu Tisch. There was one.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

And I remember being like, I'm going to buy something. Something nice for myself.

[Richie Perez]

I'm going to really splurge and spend 50 bucks.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, forest green zip up.

[Anna Hosnier]

Hoodie and those $28 T shirts that we tried to send the first wash. But the deep V's. Were you doing a deep V?

[Richie Perez]

Yes, we all were. Come on. If you're out here saying, I never wore a V neck.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, you did.

[Richie Perez]

Unless you were Mandela affecting. Unless you were on a different timeline that merged with ours.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't act like you're.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't act like you're not a hole. Don't act like you're not balls. Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

Exactly. Even if it wasn't like a deep V, you were doing a V. You were doing. Because they did give. There was different iterations of the V neck there.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Remember there was the one. Because I remember for reality show, we had to wear them. There was a shallow V, which I chose, and then there was a deep V, which some people were choosing. And it was the very frosted tipped vibes at the time where I was like, I know that's not going to age well. No one's going to, like, later. The pictures of you in the deep.

[Matt Rogers]

V. Oh, my God.

[Richie Perez]

But a deep voice on someone who had, like, tits.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Was so important.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I need to see that.

[Richie Perez]

I miss cleavage.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Male cleavage.

[Richie Perez]

Any cleavage?

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, female cleavage is still around.

[Richie Perez]

Not as much.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Remember a couple years ago when people were doing the thing, like male celebrities were doing the thing of, like, just a jacket, nothing underneath.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

And then you knew it was over when the other two made fun of it.

[Matt Rogers]

I like, I beg my friend, my best friend, Olivia. I like, beg her like every other day. I'm like, just please show them you're.

[Richie Perez]

A boob gay like me.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you a boob gay? Yeah, totally. I am.

[Richie Perez]

We're out here.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. You know what I mean? And I'm just like, show it. Come on.

[Richie Perez]

What do you want to see? Like, the whole thing?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I don't know. I'm always like, joking with her. I'm just. She's like, what should I wear to like, this event? Or whatever. And I'm just like, well, I'd have to see your bodycon. Like, like, like tits pouring out. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just like a really, like, bodycon.

[Richie Perez]

Bring that back. Yeah, I want.

[Matt Rogers]

And she's like, no.

[Richie Perez]

I want. I want bodycon for guys.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, me too.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean? I would wear that body stocking for guys.

[Anna Hosnier]

They have it.

[Richie Perez]

I know, but it's like. It's like. It's like a wrestling singlet. You know what I mean?

[Anna Hosnier]

Have you ever worn male specific pranks?

[Richie Perez]

Yes, I have. Kind of fun.

[Anna Hosnier]

I was living.

[Richie Perez]

I'm like, yeah, it's very.

[Anna Hosnier]

They should collabor and Addison that it would go off honestly. Diet Pepsi with Zoran from back in the day. Rap tapping on a feature.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's how you get elected this November.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's how you get the people on the. That's how you get the cuomosexuals to come your way.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, sure. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Sexuals are politically homeless now. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right.

[Richie Perez]

They don't know where to go.

[Matt Rogers]

Come here, baby. Come here. Come here, come here.

[Richie Perez]

Wait. So I think we need to really explore 2007.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Yes. Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

So besides Panera, while what was so great about it?

[Richie Perez]

The Hills was peaking.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, Hills was peaking. Gossip Girl, Chess came out. And like, I also feel like. And this might be so dumb and I think maybe just like growing up or something. And also like, things have changed tremendously, of course, since then, like in Cult the world. But like, I felt like at that time, like indie movies or indie music or something. Like, felt like, oh, me and like five people in New Jersey know about this. No one else. Like, you truly feel. Yeah, like I'm like, no one else knows about Passion Pit. But they were actually like huge.

[Anna Hosnier]

They were very big.

[Matt Rogers]

And now things are just so much more broken down or something or much, much more.

[Richie Perez]

It's ironic. It's like, things that you think would be more mainstream today are actually niche. And then the things that you were, like, convinced that was. It was just purely you and five other people were huge. Things were.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, massive. So, like, Rylo Kiley, like, I remember, like, VH1, like, artists you ought to know or something. That felt like a true. Like, I'm like, oh, we're stepping into this, like, unknown territory or something.

[Richie Perez]

Did you ever, like. Did you guys ever, like, go to, like, Borders or Barnes and Noble and, like, flip through, like, Spin magazine?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. And you'd be like, oh, my God. Spin. Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

Details. Clap your hands.

[Richie Perez]

Say, yeah. Like, who are they?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

Sufjan Stevens.

[Anna Hosnier]

Sufjan. I'm specifically thinking of my friend Alison Coelho, who was my bestie in high school, and we would do these things together. Passion Pit was huge for her.

[Richie Perez]

Huge.

[Matt Rogers]

And.

[Anna Hosnier]

And what you just said, which was Sufjan Stevens was huge for her. And I remember we went to go see the movie 500 Days of Summer, and I thought it was, like. I thought I saw, like, Red Rocket. I was. I was like, I just saw the indie film of the year, and it.

[Matt Rogers]

Was literally, like, well, in 2007. Very successful movie in 2007. Juno came out.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And that had a tremendous influence.

[Richie Perez]

Like, what part?

[Matt Rogers]

On me. Just, like, the tone of the movie, the, like, the acting, the music, the soundtrack was just like. I brought. I used to bring a bag of CDs with me everywhere. I would. I've always been headphones. I've always been headphones. I've always been headphones on my whole life. Like. Or at least, like. Like, a few years leading into 2007.

[Richie Perez]

I got. You know, me too.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause I would always just, like, bring them with me and just kind of, like. And I brought a little bag with CDs, and I would just, like, change them if I wanted to and kind of just like, start living in my little world.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But also, like, it was a bit of a defense or, like, protective thing, because people definitely would shout things, like, from their car and stuff. You know, like, say, like, unkind things. And so I was just like, okay, like this. I'm listening to, you know, Coldplay. Or, like, Mariah.

[Richie Perez]

Why Coldplay?

[Matt Rogers]

Or, like, Vampire Weekend. Like, I'm like, I'm good. Like, I'm just like, you know, having a day right now. And so Juno. I felt like that just. That soundtrack was just, like, really, really influential. And, I don't know, that was like, one of those projects that made me think like, oh, maybe. I. I don't know.

[Anna Hosnier]

I wanna, like, in a real way, I'm asking this. Did you feel, like, seen by the character?

[Matt Rogers]

I guess so. Yeah. I. I don't know. Yeah, I guess. I guess I did. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because humor was a defense mechanism for her.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And. And then also, I just developed a massive crush on Michael Cera, of course. And that led me to, like. And, like, in Nick and Nora as Infinite Planet.

[Anna Hosnier]

Nick and Nora's Infinite Planet.

[Matt Rogers]

And I was just like, okay, well, I gotta move to New York.

[Richie Perez]

That's beautiful. Nick and Nora is such an underrated New York classic.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

But Juno, you know what scene I'm like, that Elliot Page doesn't get the credit for? What is when after, like, Jason Bateman, like, puts a move on Juno and she. The character Juno, like, gets in the van, drops, pulls over to the side of the road, and it's just that shot of Junior, like, Best car crying. Truly so underrated. You know what I mean?

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It's so heartbreaking.

[Anna Hosnier]

Really good. Hands on the wheel. Breakdown actor.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

In a time when it wasn't a trope, right? Not really.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, but also recently, someone referenced this, like, as a joke, and I was like. It just, like, took me back because I haven't watched that movie in a while. Right. But the, like part where they do a montage with, like, Sea of Love, like, Cat Power.

[Richie Perez]

I love that cover.

[Matt Rogers]

And she's like, Like, Juno is like. I think. I think he was always hers. And then it cuts to, like, Jennifer Gardner.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Jennifer Garner's.

[Matt Rogers]

So she, like, frames the note that said, if you're in, I'm in. And I was like, did you know.

[Anna Hosnier]

That not that Interrupt the Jam sesh was an improvised line by Jennifer Garner?

[Matt Rogers]

Really love that. I love that her read of you.

[Richie Perez]

Found us in the Penny Saver. So good.

[Matt Rogers]

Can you hear me, baby?

[Anna Hosnier]

Jennifer Garner was so. Jennifer Garner in that era was in her bag so hard, by the way. 13 going on 30.

[Matt Rogers]

I saw that for the first time. Like, what did you think? I was weeping. I didn't expect it to be that.

[Richie Perez]

Like, oh, it's incredible.

[Matt Rogers]

Phenomenal.

[Anna Hosnier]

By the way, like, also, all of Alias.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Jennifer Garner watched Alias.

[Anna Hosnier]

This was like, what made J.J. abrams.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

In many ways, like, this was like.

[Matt Rogers]

She'S like a spy.

[Anna Hosnier]

Without Alias, there's certainly no loss.

[Richie Perez]

There's no loss because Jennifer Gardner. There's no Alias popping off the way it did.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

They were in tandem.

[Anna Hosnier]

No. Jennifer, the pilot of Alias is one of the great pilots. Like they. It's just so good. It's Jared Frieder. Favorite show of all time.

[Richie Perez]

Love.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Oh my God, he loves Alias. Do you know Jared?

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay, guys.

[Richie Perez]

You know the thing about being outdoors and entertaining your friends outdoors is a gorgeous, affordable little bin to stuff all the covers and the tchotchkes and the things and the bobs.

[Anna Hosnier]

You need your bins. And this is the thing about Wayfair too is they've got so much more than just furniture. I actually bought a vacuum cleaner that I absolutely love and that was a Wayfair buy, baby. So listen, if you're needing to clean up the house, do your thing. If you need a little backyard get together, et cetera, Wayfair is your one stop shop for outdoor entertaining.

[Richie Perez]

Cookout shop, patio tables, grills and dishware. Game night. Wayfair's got cornhole croquet and string lights to set the scene.

[Anna Hosnier]

And with fast and easy shipping, it's never been easier to get ready to partay.

[Richie Perez]

So however you kick back outback, go to Wayfair for effortless entertaining and game filled gambling gatherings. Get big stuff like patio sets, gazebos, hot tubs, outdoor dining sets, and more shipped free. Shop outdoor furniture, grills, lawn games, and way more for way less. Head to Wayfair.com right now to explore our huge outdoor selection.

[Anna Hosnier]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Unknown]

So what happened to Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Matt Rogers]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Unknown]

There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News. It's Teddy escapes blonde. And in a strange way, right. That sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?

Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control.

[Anna Hosnier]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Unknown]

The Kennedys have lived through disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on.

[Anna Hosnier]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joseph Reeves]

Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time of year.

[Matt Rogers]

It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done.

[Joseph Reeves]

But did you know that before it went down, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia?

[Anna Hosnier]

The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable.

[Joseph Reeves]

In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ rights.

[Anna Hosnier]

Start banging on the door of the.

[Matt Rogers]

Stonewall like one boom, boom, boom.

[Joseph Reeves]

Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans rights. Through the very first brick, she was.

[Matt Rogers]

Really, like, scrubbed out of that history.

[Joseph Reeves]

This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Richie Perez]

I feel like we should just like, very intensely focus in on, like, indie culture in that time. Cause it did start to slowly fall apart, I would say around 20, 2013, 2012.

[Anna Hosnier]

That was. We didn't.

[Richie Perez]

We didn't know how good we had it back.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Is it because they started to say thing, like, the hipster thing, like, went out of control. Was that. Was that in tandem with that?

[Matt Rogers]

No, I don't. I don't know.

[Richie Perez]

Like, did your friend who lived, who. Who came from Brooklyn, did she, like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because.

[Richie Perez]

Because we. Because we actually talked about this with Josh and Aaron on their episode a couple weeks ago, where it was, like, behind every gay guy, guy, like, millennial gay guy, is like, a straight girl in honors English, quote, unquote, who, like, told you, like, what to listen to, told you what to watch, told you what to do? And so this girl, Kayla Sturback, one year for my birthday, bought me the hipster handbook, which is, like, totally off of Urban Outfitters, but back when that was, like, the cool thing to do, buy books from urban. The whole thing was like, hipsters don't call themselves hipsters. Like, hipsters just move in silence and all these things. And, yeah, I think it did go out of control with, I don't know, something. You know what? Something kind of like, I'm gonna put something out there. Once Solange came on the scene and bridged the gap between indie hipster music and pop music in a way, like, things started to, like, blend into one and then got subsumed because it influenced Beyonce.

[Anna Hosnier]

So it doesn't get the credit for the way to change everything.

[Richie Perez]

It trickled up. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

I had literally just moved here and, like, losing you, and I was like, the music video. Yeah. Oh, my God. And same with, like, two, one, two. Like, yeah, thanks. Like, dancing on my own. Like, Rob. I don't know. Like, there was this.

[Anna Hosnier]

This, like, it did feel like there was. There was, like, mainstream pop at the time, and then there was, like, what the cool girls were doing even in music at large. Not to just say pop, because we actually in. We were in Paris, like, a couple weeks ago because we were seeing Beyonce, and we were talking about Beyonce, about how everything changed between I am Sasha Fierce and four. And we were talking about, like, what it was. And it was like, obviously when she got rid of Matthew, her dad, as her manager, but really, I think it was so long Solange. I think Solange being as cool and having less expectation than Beyonce, made Beyonce look at her sister and be like, I want to do what my sister is doing, or something closer to that.

[Matt Rogers]

Some, like.

[Richie Perez]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Because then. Then was that. Then after that was the digital. Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Because it was Solange, and it was Solange going to, like, a Dirty Projectors concert.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Richie Perez]

Where it was Beyonce and Jay Z going to a grizzly bear concert.

[Matt Rogers]

BJ beach house.

[Richie Perez]

Beach house.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, that's.

[Richie Perez]

That's when things started to sort of, like, blend.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, true.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean? And I think. I do think pop music swallowed a little bit of that up.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. Yeah, it's. And now it just feels like I can't tell if, like, how. What's. Where we're at now with, like, pop music or, like, what would be alternative or, like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well.

[Richie Perez]

Cause in that time, I was totally, like. Right. Like, I don't know. My listening habits now are so weird. Where I'm like, 10 years ago. No, 12 years ago, 2013, I was like, you know what? I am really gonna curate these, like, these, like, unknown artists. These, like, these, like, artists that feel very independent along with, like, my pop music. And now it is all pop.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean?

[Richie Perez]

I'm like. I lost that, like, totally.

[Anna Hosnier]

But also, pop now means so many things as genre has broken down. Like, now it's like.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, Addison, like.

[Richie Perez]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, like, she's pop.

[Anna Hosnier]

She's. But she feels she's, like, so straightforward pop. But that's because I think. And I think one of the reasons why she's like the pop girly of the moment is because it does. She's like weirdly playing with a lot of retrograde retroness as well.

[Matt Rogers]

Right?

[Anna Hosnier]

That's what it feels like.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

And it. And that what. That's what makes it feel the most current.

[Richie Perez]

Like, I feel like I have not kept up in the ways that I should. When I'm like, oh, there's a great new like, Spoon album out. Right. I'm like. And I don't know if I like, gave them the regular listening that I like since like 20, 2011, 2012.

[Anna Hosnier]

I don't even know what a spoon is.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, spoon. O.C. coded sound soundtrack.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

I had the soundtrack.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I used to. My bag of CDs that was in there.

[Richie Perez]

Was it. Okay, it. Was it an actual bag or was it binding a bag?

[Matt Rogers]

And then I had a binder too. But I think I would like have the binder home and then bring. Forget it was too big.

[Richie Perez]

It was too big.

[Matt Rogers]

So then I would just like bring a few CDs. I would like make us. I would select which ones. I'm like, okay, okay, I'm going to.

[Richie Perez]

Was it Windows media player burning CDs or was it iTunes burning CDs?

[Anna Hosnier]

I.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, no. These were. I bought.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, you bought. I'm sorry.

[Matt Rogers]

I was too scared to torrent. I was way too scared to like download.

[Anna Hosnier]

You thought of viruses or getting, getting on your door?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was literally like, something will happen.

[Anna Hosnier]

It did feel at the time on the Internet too.

[Richie Perez]

Like, it was like, they'll come get.

[Anna Hosnier]

Me if I download something.

[Richie Perez]

Truly.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like the lawsuits that were happening in the news. It was like, oh, that's like, I'm next. Cuz I had a crazy night. Napster. Like, I, I was, I was a thief. I was like really, really, really downloading a lot of bad stuff.

[Richie Perez]

Not us.

[Anna Hosnier]

The viruses that your computer would get to would be so crazy.

[Richie Perez]

No, they'd be gnarly. They'd be gnarly. And then there's so much so that the virus narrative really stayed with you for a while.

[Anna Hosnier]

100%. Like, I'm still pretty, pretty scared of like down. Well then they said, oh, it's Apple. You can't get viruses.

[Richie Perez]

You really can't. But yeah, you can.

[Anna Hosnier]

Is that true?

[Richie Perez]

You don't really get viruses on Apple stuff stuff anymore?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I don't think so. But I mean, who knows? It seems like anything could happen with.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, this is a perfect device.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, you have so much to Learn.

[Anna Hosnier]

See this? Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

What is that?

[Anna Hosnier]

Watch this.

[Richie Perez]

No.

[Anna Hosnier]

Did you get that? Break the glass. I love it. Do something.

[Richie Perez]

It's so good.

[Anna Hosnier]

You can take it. Selfie. Wait, hold on. Wait. Get in.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

Come over here. This is going to be the photo of the episode. Ready? Hold on. Get in. One, two. It has to be that. It has. That will be the. Oh, my. Oh, Nick. You're not in it. But don't. Isn't. Isn't that country you to do?

[Richie Perez]

You're going to break that.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Careful.

[Matt Rogers]

That is really cool.

[Anna Hosnier]

I love it.

[Matt Rogers]

Make a point. It's the new flip phone.

[Anna Hosnier]

We were. We were at work. Hold on.

[Richie Perez]

I have to take this.

[Matt Rogers]

Whatever.

[Anna Hosnier]

I love to be like such a.

[Matt Rogers]

Like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like a. I. It makes me feel like a little coquettish when I'm in my bathroom and I just like, go do like that to the mirror. And then I take a FaceTime while I'm like, doing my.

[Matt Rogers]

What's up? Talk to me. What's going on? Are you okay?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

But I do feel bad whenever I do that I mirror. Because I need to get one. You see the cups?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's not a perfect science, but.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. I need to get one.

[Anna Hosnier]

I have two. Do you have two? But he's got. See, that's what he. This is what he is.

[Matt Rogers]

This is.

[Anna Hosnier]

This.

[Richie Perez]

This is balls.

[Matt Rogers]

Jigglypuff.

[Richie Perez]

That's Jigglypuff.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's a fidget spinner on a jigglypost.

[Matt Rogers]

This makes so much sense.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Balls hold.

[Richie Perez]

Balls hold.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Literally, this is sucking up.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

Is my phone broken? Because I would deserve it.

[Richie Perez]

I think it's on the pretty.

[Matt Rogers]

That is so pretty. Omg.

[Richie Perez]

Omg.

[Anna Hosnier]

So now you know. It's really not a Wait.

[Matt Rogers]

And yours is like, for everyone at.

[Anna Hosnier]

Home that's just listening to this, we are sort of looking at each other's phone gadgets. And I. I have. I have something that, like, you can stick to the mirror and it keeps your phone up. And Bowen has, like.

[Richie Perez]

Gender. Jiggly.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. What is. What are the.

[Richie Perez]

In the show? What's the Jigglypuff's gender in the show?

[Anna Hosnier]

Because Bowen thinks he knows. And I think.

[Matt Rogers]

I know. I think Jigglypuff in the show. Is he.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay, that's not what Bowen thinks.

[Richie Perez]

I think she. She. Her.

[Anna Hosnier]

They. Them.

[Matt Rogers]

They. Them.

[Richie Perez]

She.

[Matt Rogers]

Her.

[Anna Hosnier]

I don't think any of the Pokemons have gender.

[Matt Rogers]

That's true. They actually.

[Anna Hosnier]

I really don't. They do. They do.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, actually, maybe some. Like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Is that actually True.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, of course. Oh, you guys haven't played since gender.

[Matt Rogers]

It's been so long.

[Anna Hosnier]

So there's no female Pikachu.

[Richie Perez]

There is a female Pikachu. She looks the same as a male Pikachu. The only are certain Pokemon that appear different and evolve to branch out evolutionarily based on their gender. So Nidoran goes to Nido, Nidorino or Nidorina. And then Nidoking Nidoqueen. But then there are other things where like a female. You know a female. I think Snorunt goes into Frost Lasts.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's close to the 150. And that means I. I recognize that. So this is the thing. So some of them. There's only one, right? Like there's only one of the three.

[Richie Perez]

There's one. There's one Mew. There's one. There's one legendary bird. Yeah, of course.

[Anna Hosnier]

Legendary mystic birds.

[Richie Perez]

Jinx. Jinx. Yes, Jinx is. There's some. Miltank is always female. Jinx is. Is always female. Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

You know what Pokemon I literally never got to with because I didn't have the version of the game that they were in. I think they were in blue version and I only had red and then yellow. Magmar could never. With Magmar never. Don't even know her. Never met her. Him, I don't know. Yeah, it depends that one can be both genders.

[Richie Perez]

There are. Yes, most Pokemon are. Are, Are any gender.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, they're all sexy.

[Anna Hosnier]

Doesn't matter.

[Matt Rogers]

No. Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

If you love him or capital H.

[Matt Rogers]

I M M. Put your paws up.

[Anna Hosnier]

You were born.

[Matt Rogers]

My mother told me.

[Anna Hosnier]

When I was young we were almost.

[Richie Perez]

Superstars.

[Anna Hosnier]

World there's nothing wrong loving who you are she said cuz he made.

[Matt Rogers]

You perfect baby.

[Richie Perez]

Listen to me what.

[Anna Hosnier]

I say I'm beautiful in my wake and scummy snow stakes I'm on the right track baby I was born this way we want to scream don't hide.

[Matt Rogers]

Yourself in regret Just love yourself and you said I'm on the right track baby I was born this way, born this way.

[Anna Hosnier]

When you first heard that song, I.

[Matt Rogers]

Was in Delaware and I. Yeah, that changed my life.

[Anna Hosnier]

Gaga's huge for you.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. Like, that was like. Because I also. I wasn't like out necessarily to. To anyone. I mean, in high school there was a few people I would like talk to about it.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Oh, there were.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, like three or four friends.

[Anna Hosnier]

Girlies.

[Matt Rogers]

And also like my best friend's also like a gay guy.

[Anna Hosnier]

So like still to this day, same person.

[Matt Rogers]

No, but like. But we were we, like, grew up together and like. And we had each other to, like, go through all that. So that was like, really, really, like, I was so lucky.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And yeah, like, I feel like in college, just going out and, you know, meeting new friends, like, meeting new people. Like, I was just so scared of like, that, like, anyone finding out. Even though I've always been exactly like this. And so like, you know, but still, like, it was like a. You know. So then when that came out, like, I was kind of just like. I also had developed a crush on this guy that I became friends with. It was my first, like, crush on a guy. And I got. Yeah. And I feel I had feelings.

[Anna Hosnier]

So pain.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, did he.

[Anna Hosnier]

I went crazy find out.

[Matt Rogers]

I told. Eventually I like, broke down and I told him.

[Anna Hosnier]

Was it that you broke down and told me you were gay? You broke down and told him that you were gay and had feelings for him? Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

And.

[Anna Hosnier]

And was he kind.

[Matt Rogers]

He was so kind about it. I was like. I was very like, crazy about it. And. Yeah, but that. That came. That. That single came out in the beginning of that year of like 2011, from my memory of it. And then that summer, like, that was the last time I saw him and I never saw him again. But then that summer, that album came out, I think, or something around that. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Bin Laden, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Is that true? Yes, Bin Laden and Gaga and Ga.

[Richie Perez]

And Born this Way.

[Anna Hosnier]

So wait, what a month. That was Skidmore.

[Richie Perez]

But Born this Way, the single came out February of 2011.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

And yes. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

So wow.

[Richie Perez]

So that was February. And then that was when Matt and I were like, kind of like bonding for the first time meaningfully. And we were like screaming it, singing it a lot, singing Born the Way. And then I forget that that song.

[Anna Hosnier]

Was a part of that. Yeah, I think. Cuz you know what? This is famously, it took me a little bit longer to get fully on board.

[Richie Perez]

Sure.

[Anna Hosnier]

But actually wasn't until art pop that I was like riding hard for G. I definitely.

[Matt Rogers]

So that's so also like I was for Halloween 2013. I was like her VMA performance with.

[Richie Perez]

The mermaid or no, the white.

[Matt Rogers]

The whiteboard.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, that was. I can feel your heart beating in.

[Matt Rogers]

Your hands My hora and yours meeting in this dance all our trigger.

[Anna Hosnier]

Ready. It's show time. Just a teeth.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

That is one of the best performances in VMA history.

[Anna Hosnier]

Into applause, into applause.

[Matt Rogers]

And then all those changes, the costume changes. Like, oh my. I like, I rewatch that still when I need, like, inspiration.

[Anna Hosnier]

Taylor Swift's Favorite Lady Gaga song.

[Matt Rogers]

Really? Applause.

[Richie Perez]

Should play it before every era's Twitter. Sure.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes.

[Richie Perez]

Wow.

[Anna Hosnier]

And Gaga says that Taylor Swift came up to her at a party and was like, I love applause. And she was at first like, okay, this girl coming up, telling me she likes applause. Why? Because it's like the last single.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

And then, like, legitimately, like, in private, people would be like, taylor is blasting applause right now. She was like, okay, this girl's the real deal. She actually loves applause. It's like she plays it at the Air Store.

[Matt Rogers]

So good.

[Richie Perez]

I'm actually inspiring me. And I'm gonna. I'm gonna go there for my. I don't think so, honey. And it's gonna. Look, I might be biting the hand.

[Anna Hosnier]

What do you mean, biting the hand?

[Richie Perez]

Just you wait. Just you wait.

[Anna Hosnier]

This makes me nervous.

[Richie Perez]

No, no, no. I'm not biting the hand. I'm just saying there's something that I want as a true little monster, and we're all little monsters here.

[Anna Hosnier]

Definitely.

[Richie Perez]

There's something that I think should happen. But I say this as a fan. Of course.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

But I just want to point out that Born this Way, people, like. Are you saying that there is a direct link between you coming out and that album coming out?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Like, this is the thing that people don't realize that was like, that unleashed something in the world.

[Anna Hosnier]

It gave permission to a lot of people. Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

And you have. That's why people ride so fucking hard for Gaga.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely. I actually found recently, I found. I have a few bins of just college because I studied photography, so I have negatives and pictures, whatever, and paperwork notebooks. And so I found a little notebook I guess I used to bring around with me. I don't really remember this, but I found a page, a loose page just torn off. And I wrote quotes that I guess I was inspired by. I literally wrote like, wait, what was it like?

[Anna Hosnier]

Born this Way lyrics.

[Matt Rogers]

It was Born this Way lyrics. I forget exactly which one.

[Anna Hosnier]

People don't really. I think it's so easy for people that have been either been in cities for a long time or are exposed to, you know, more complex kinds of social dynamics and social scenes and sexual sexualities and things like that. Like, people take for granted granted how important it is to be explicit sometimes in messaging.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because I feel like, you know, before Gaga, obviously there was Madonna. Madonna, like, was like, you know, like, her messaging was very explicit. And then of course, like, she'd do so much work. That was then more like, you know, for her experimental and things like that. And then people were able to get on board with it, but only because she had been made an explicit connection with her fans and her message. And so Gaga saying, you are born this way and it doesn't matter what you are, you're amazing. Like, that opens the door to then literally art pop, which was so many things. Hard to quantify. How hard to boil down. But it's like that with Chapel Roan too. You know what I mean? Like, Pink Pony Club. This is a place that I'm explicitly realizing for you where you belong. And I think something. Sometimes people. It's almost like why overcompensating, I think, is connecting so much too, because it's. There is power and there is real, like, benefit to just being explicit and clear. Because so many people need that. Even if, like, we may not or you may not. There was a time that you really did, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

So.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's so beautiful. That's so true. I think, like, it's so easy to like or not easy. I don't. That's not the right word.

[Richie Perez]

It's.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like we just take it for granted. Yeah, absolutely. We do. We truly do. And I think sometimes like to create things too. And sometimes you want to hide behind the direct. The actual messaging of something which totally makes sense sometimes as an artistic choice or an expression or something. Like, maybe sometimes you don't want to be so deliberately. Of course, you know, like, this is what this is, you know, whatever. But, like. And there's power in that too. And, like, people interpreting things for sure. But. But it is like, songs like that. Absolutely. Just like, enter your, like, heart and because they can cut right to what it is.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's like, oh, they're telling. And it's exactly what it is that I feel like that's exactly it. Like, and I think sometimes there's like.

[Matt Rogers]

Especially in 2011, like, that whole. Because there was also so much like, you know, indie too. And this type of. That also had, like, was so expressive too and felt so, like. But also I felt like I was constantly on songmeetings.com like, okay, now, what does this one mean? I'm so stirred and, like, moved by these songs. But, like, what the hell does this mean?

[Richie Perez]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

You know, And I'm like, I still look a genius.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I'm still. I'm still, like, kind of trying to, you know, and I'm like, you know, but. But then at the same time, something like that to come out and also to Just, like, pierce through and. And just, like, pull out your heart and just. And just be like, you know, it's okay and.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, because it's funny how, like, the lyrics to Born this Way are so straightforward and the, like, the story of it is so straightforward, but she was doing such crazy stuff in terms of style and aesthetics and even sound that it's like. It's like, it's. I remember when it came out, people were like, oh, this is like. Like, the cynical people were like, this is, like, more basic than something like bad romance or poker face that had, like, layers to it. Like, poker face is kind of like, when you read it on the page, you're kind of like, what is this?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, it's dealing in metaphor.

[Richie Perez]

Right, right, right.

[Anna Hosnier]

Whereas, like, Born this Way wasn't. And, like, there was this idea that, like, it was, like, more basic and that was bad. But, like, I don't think it's basic to be explicit. I think, you know, like, you can. You just get away with other things and you find other ways to dynamicize, if that's a word, what you're doing.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, right.

[Richie Perez]

That sounds like a word.

[Anna Hosnier]

Sounds like a word. But I wonder if we. If we looked it up, if it would be dynamic. I think I actually have.

[Matt Rogers]

Dynamic.

[Richie Perez]

Dynamicize.

[Matt Rogers]

Dynamicize. Gay Harden.

[Anna Hosnier]

Dynamic. I love dynamicism.

[Richie Perez]

Can you. Can you do what you do? Remember what you did during. When we were doing the earthquake? Like.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

When the earthquake happened. You guys liked it?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, we were like, whoa. Yeah, it was that.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. Now we're getting started.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, God. This is the holy. Oh, baby. Wait. This bit is my. This actually is my second favorite bit that you do. Do you know what the first one is? I don't know what to do with it. It's you on the roller coaster.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah. Because I've never been part of my live show, which everyone should come see.

[Anna Hosnier]

I've never seen anyone perform.

[Richie Perez]

Being on a roller coaster.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, not only being on a roller coaster, being on a. Is it that you're on a date on a roller coaster and you're sort of pretending you're okay with what's happening, but you'.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I'm very scared to go on the ride. I've never been on a roller coaster before.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And it builds up and it just.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because one of the things he literally gets so right is the G forces. Like when it weighs on your body and you kind of pass out and you kind of go. I remember just. I forgot where you were doing it. But I was watching it and I was just like, feeling so seen because it reminded me of, like, nitrogen nitro. You know when you're going on the helix at the end and you're like, oh. And you kind of pass out.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. I remember Anna Gastire was there, too.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

It was that show. Yeah, it was that Chelsea Music Hall.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes. That was really.

[Matt Rogers]

So nervous. Like, she was there in front of her. Yeah, she was so, like. She was into it. She was so, like, easy to talk to, very warm.

[Anna Hosnier]

Whenever you. Whenever. Never. Cuz now we've been lucky enough to be around a lot of those women that, like, when we were coming out, the ones.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

And like, it'll happen more and more. But the thing is, like, you are nervous because you care so much what they think, but then you realize they're just sketch comedians too.

[Matt Rogers]

Right?

[Anna Hosnier]

You know what I mean? So it's so surprising how quickly it can go from, like, you know, the reverence to also being like. Like, there's that. There's that person making their noises and doing their things and doing their bits, which is. Is really like, who they are, but yet they are these, like.

[Matt Rogers]

I just want to go up to Amy Poehler and be like me.

[Anna Hosnier]

You could. You could.

[Richie Perez]

She would love it.

[Anna Hosnier]

She would.

[Richie Perez]

Absolutely.

[Anna Hosnier]

She would love it. She's good. We hope you're watching this. Amy, Amy, Amy.

[Matt Rogers]

Hi.

[Richie Perez]

This is Richard.

[Anna Hosnier]

And you need to know Richard.

[Matt Rogers]

Lovely to meet you. Thank you for listening this far. If you have. And I hope you're having a good time.

[Anna Hosnier]

I hope she didn't turn it off with the whole part. Yeah, well, I don't want to hear this.

[Matt Rogers]

Enough of this. God damn it.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is this. This is her. Get. Get this. You know what's a good bit? Remember when Rachel went to ski and I do used to do this bit. No, it'll be Gru. Gru.

[Richie Perez]

No, it'll be Gru.

[Anna Hosnier]

Gru.

[Matt Rogers]

It would be.

[Anna Hosnier]

It would be.

[Richie Perez]

Have you been with us since Gru days? Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

I was telling you it'd been.

[Richie Perez]

Guys, I think there's something.

[Anna Hosnier]

There's something in this.

[Richie Perez]

Hold on.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is going to be crazy. That was scary.

[Richie Perez]

That was so scary.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, my God. I'm so serious.

[Richie Perez]

Be careful.

[Anna Hosnier]

I knew it.

[Matt Rogers]

What was that? I liked it.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is one of those episodes that people are going to be like, we can't see it.

[Richie Perez]

We can't see it.

[Matt Rogers]

There's a YouTube channel.

[Richie Perez]

I know YouTube, as you know. Wait. Is doing this and is the bunny feet that's photography major.

[Matt Rogers]

I guess that's part of. Of my photographic practice that I feel.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like I usually don't take pictures a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

No. But I do want to get back into it.

[Richie Perez]

But you know how to present something visual or communicate something visually.

[Matt Rogers]

I think, I think compositionally a lot.

[Richie Perez]

That's perfect.

[Anna Hosnier]

In terms of your comedy too, maybe.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, of course.

[Anna Hosnier]

Describe what you mean.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, even just, like, building up my show, I was like, thinking in that cinematically a little bit or just kind of like. Or when I'm envisioning myself in the scenes or something. It's like I'm thinking from a. I'm like, oh, like, this would be like, here.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, we got to get you a special or something.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like this one you're working on now. Would you hope to televise it?

[Matt Rogers]

I would, yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

You're like, caper lamp.

[Richie Perez]

I have to do.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. Thank you.

[Anna Hosnier]

You are.

[Richie Perez]

How is London? How is the London shows?

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I, I. Oh, you're working. Yeah, I was working. I did do one show there. That was really great.

[Anna Hosnier]

What are you. What were you working on there? Oh, you were in the moment.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Which I can't talk about.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, that's so exciting.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, you were telling me about. You were telling me about it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it was incre. And I hope to do, like, more.

[Richie Perez]

More.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. If it was really, like, one of those experiences, I was just like, I love acting.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I really.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, you are an actor. You are like, you are like, like, I feel like some people. This is not to say, but I feel like this, like, I did comedy because I wanted to act. I don't know. I think a lot of gay guys.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Queer people. Totally out here. Like, I, I def. I didn't see, like, doing comedy for myself. Like, I never thought I'd be that person. Like, doing sets. Like, it was all a means to an end. I don't know how you guys feel.

[Richie Perez]

I was weirdly, like, wanting to. Yeah, I was wanting to act, but I was like, I didn't give myself the permission to. So I was like, I would be so happy in, like, a writer's room, but there's like a staff job.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because you in your, in your head were like, mitigating it to. That to not, like, make any expectations.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah. I'd be like, I'm not going to be in. I'm not going to be in movies or anything. Like, truly honesty. I was like, I'm not going to not. No one's going to want to do that. Right.

[Anna Hosnier]

So it's like self protection, but also something you convinced yourself was true.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah. Like, I would, like, stop at, like, Simpsons episodes and be like, okay, who wrote that?

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, this person. You know, like, I, like, I got really just eye rolly, granular about that kind of thing.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But.

[Anna Hosnier]

But do you know. Do you know how what that was for you? Like, what. What compelled you to perform?

[Matt Rogers]

Um, I feel like ultimately, I mean, around this time, you know, 2007, I feel like I. I was thinking about going to, like, auditioning to, like, get into a program or something privately. I didn't really. I talked to, like, maybe one or two friends about that in high school, but, like, I was way too scared, and I was just like, oh. Like, I don't know, like, people will. I think it was more like, you know, just being closeted and being like, oh, like, I don't know. People will, like, sniff it out and make fun of me or. I don't know, like, there was something.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah. Like, no one's gonna be rooting for me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And so I was just like, there's no way I'll ever do that. But then I fell. I did fall in love with, like, photography, and that's a different perspective and, like. And that was so thrilling, and I love doing that. And sometimes, like, when I just, like, look at, you know, photo books or, like, I'm at an art show or just even, like, just reminiscing, I'm just like, oh, yeah. I'm so, like, captivated by this. But I feel like comedy. I love performing live. Like, I have so much fun, but I don't know if, like, I see myself. Yeah. Like, having, like. Like standup sat or. Or something like that.

[Anna Hosnier]

What you do is so beyond that. Like, I. That's when I feel. I feel like you're like Caperland. You're like Cola Scola. Like, that's Richard. You know what I mean? Like, I feel like you can do whatever want to do because you're that good. I really feel, like, so safe when you're performing.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like, I. I really. And I really feel like what you do is, like, brand new and so specific to you. That's like, one of the reasons why, like, I don't know, it's. It's like I haven't. Sometimes I'm like, I haven't been around in a while.

[Richie Perez]

I know. I feel that way. Absolutely.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like. Like, watching shows and stuff, but you make me excited to go watch, like, live stuff again.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you.

[Anna Hosnier]

So people should be going to see.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, definitely.

[Anna Hosnier]

I haven't been to Union hall in so long.

[Richie Perez]

I haven't been to Union hall in a long time. July 12th.

[Matt Rogers]

Come with me.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, we're gonna be in.

[Anna Hosnier]

God. Well, I'm gonna be in la.

[Richie Perez]

You'll be in la.

[Matt Rogers]

Just come back.

[Richie Perez]

I'm coming.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, maybe you're right. I know.

[Richie Perez]

You know, the thing about being outdoors and entertaining your friends outdoors is a gorgeous, affordable little bin to stuff all the covers and the tchotchkes and the things and the bobs and you need your bins.

[Anna Hosnier]

And this thing about Wayfair too is they've got so much more than just furniture. I actually bought a vacuum cleaner that I absolutely love and that was a Wayfair buy, baby. So listen, if you're needing to clean up the house, do your thing. If you need a little backyard get together, et cetera, Wayfair is your one stop shop for outdoor entertaining.

[Richie Perez]

Cookout shop, patio tables, grills and dishware, game night. Wayfair's got cornhole croquet and string lights to set the scene.

[Anna Hosnier]

And with fast and easy shipping, it's never been easier to get ready to partay.

[Richie Perez]

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[Anna Hosnier]

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[Unknown]

So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to.

There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond and.

[Matt Rogers]

Left a woman behind to drown.

[Unknown]

There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News. It's Teddy Escapes blonde Drowns. And in a strange way, right, that sort of tells you the story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president?

Kappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine Took control.

[Anna Hosnier]

And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal.

[Unknown]

The Kennedys have lived through death, disgrace, affairs, violence, you name it. So is there a curse? Every week, we go behind the headlines and beyond the drama of America's royal family.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen to United States of Kennedy on.

[Anna Hosnier]

The iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast.

[Joseph Reeves]

Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police, or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time.

[Matt Rogers]

It was one of the most liberating things that I have ever done.

[Joseph Reeves]

But did you know that before it went down in history, the Stonewall was a queer hangout run by the mafia.

[Anna Hosnier]

The voguing at Stonewall was unbelievable.

[Joseph Reeves]

In the summer of 1969, it became the site that set off the modern movement for LGBTQ rights.

[Anna Hosnier]

Started banging on the door of the Stonewall like one.

[Matt Rogers]

Boom, boom, boom, boom.

[Joseph Reeves]

Legend says Marsha P. Johnson, a mother in the fight for trans rights, threw the very first brick.

[Matt Rogers]

She was really, like, scrubbed out of that history.

[Joseph Reeves]

This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marcia P. Johnson. Listen to afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, time to do. I don't think so, honey. And my thing is, I don't have one yet, so can you go? You definitely do.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah, sure.

[Anna Hosnier]

And maybe something in yours will inspire me.

[Richie Perez]

Well, I mean, I have one. No, no, no, I'll go first.

[Anna Hosnier]

I mean, I'm gonna have one, but. And it will happen.

[Richie Perez]

Here we go.

[Anna Hosnier]

So. All right. I mean, should we be nervous?

[Richie Perez]

No, I'm not nervous.

[Anna Hosnier]

This is Bowen Yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Richie Perez]

I don't think so, honey. Please, please. I need an art pop song in the Mayhem Ball. Just one. Just one.

[Anna Hosnier]

That would be good.

[Richie Perez]

I understand Gaga that very tumultuous time in your life, but here we are talking about art pop in the way that we have the patina on that. And now we say, if you gave us applause, hopefully you think that that is a song that has aged enough. You have enough distance from that time in your life that you can.

[Anna Hosnier]

30 seconds.

[Richie Perez]

It is such a brilliant narrative. If you're saving it for the narrative for. I'm not gonna do anything off of artpop for a decade now we're on a decade of no artpop live anywhere. It would be so major. It would be such a euphoric release for the little Monsters out there. I'm not saying. I'm not telling you what to do. Gaga, I love you. I would die for you. You don't have to say think about anything that I said five seconds. But I think I would weep. And I'm not a crier because I'm on SSRIs. I would weep if you sang any song off our podcast.

[Anna Hosnier]

And that's one minute. See, I'm not on an ssri, and I. I feel that. That I'm confident you would cry.

[Richie Perez]

I would. Absolutely. I know for sure that I cry absolutely.

[Anna Hosnier]

Because I feel like what would happen to me if she performed from artpop is I would be on the floor in a fucking puddle, like, dead. Like, not alive. So the fractional. You have to at least be crying.

[Richie Perez]

Of course. I think applause is sort of the safest choice for her and for us. It's like, people would get excited for applause. She would sing applause. And it's like, it's so. So. It's so conceptually interesting. It's obviously had a life of its own since Eras Tour. Truly, it's such a thing, like, Eras Tour. It's like, okay, the show's about to start. Like, they're playing applause. Like it has lived on in such a. Such a beautiful way. You just got excited.

[Anna Hosnier]

I have my. I don't think so, honey. Based on this question.

[Richie Perez]

Okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

And again, it's a roll of the dice, and I'm gonna risk it because I really do believe this.

[Richie Perez]

Risk it. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Anna Hosnier]

I don't think so, honey. Can we not. I understand we're not supposed to use the term gypsy, but can we listen to and love the song Gypsy, please? Like, I feel like sometimes there's, like, a little bit of angst around the song Gypsy because of the term Gypsy. Like, but I feel like that is a peak of that album. Like, Gypsy is one of the great Lady Gaga songs.

[Richie Perez]

And, like, it's.

[Anna Hosnier]

It's also opens the door for so many other things. I kind of believe it opens the door to, like, Babylon in a way. Like, it's like Gypsy is like a brand of Lady Gaga song that I don't want to forget. No. Like, and I really feel like it's an important installment and it's important canon and Gaga culture. I think it would tear if Gaga did Gypsy at the. I really think that. I think it's going to hit everyone so much harder. I think applause. Obviously, Gui would be amazing. I'm a donatella Stan. I think it would go crazy fashion. Yeah. Oh please. I mean, five seconds. But Gypsy. And you don't want us to be afraid of it. I think we all know the deal. But Gypsy, hey, I do think so, honey. I'm an mc. Gypsy, Gypsy, hey, don't you know, I feel like there was a little bit of a time there in that like sort of like you know, like over correcty time period where people were like, we can't do Gypsy. And I'm like, you guys, like if we, if we're gonna comb through all of Gaga's lyrics, like it's not, we're not gonna like, it's just not just such a great song.

[Richie Perez]

The brand of song that you're talking about, the Gaga song that you're talking about is like when she is doing, when she's just at the piano doing her channeling. Maybe Billy Joel or Elton. Like I love Gaga at the piano table.

[Matt Rogers]

In Germany.

[Richie Perez]

In Germany, like these honest. The mustache. Oh my God, it's like our pop era when she was had the blonde bleached mustache and she had the contacts in weeping.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean I heard her Alberta Gypsy.

[Richie Perez]

Like doing Gypsy like that.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's the only. Oh my God. The only way I can describe it as like, you know what else it speaks to which also really should be performed more is Edgar of Glory.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, Edge of Glory is one of.

[Anna Hosnier]

The great pop songs ever.

[Matt Rogers]

Ever.

[Anna Hosnier]

Like and so the fact that that that's the same brand, the same tone. You know what I'm talking about?

[Richie Perez]

I think, I think and so far like the Gaga cella moments, Gaga Cabana, like all those Singapore, this like pre mayhem ball like tour sheet. Like the piano songs have been shallow.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

And yeah, I'm forgetting one other one.

[Anna Hosnier]

I mean you would.

[Richie Perez]

And you would, you wouldn't want.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Starts to vanish in neon.

[Anna Hosnier]

You wouldn't want to lose any of those. That's the thing. But we're now at this place with Gaga where it's like you can watch even a two, two and a half hour set of hers.

[Richie Perez]

Oh, three and a half, four. No, I'm saying.

[Anna Hosnier]

But like you could have like a super long set and you'd still lose.

[Richie Perez]

Like oh my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

So many songs in the catalog that you would want to hear.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

So many. Like even at the Gaga Chella, I was like, oh wow, she didn't do that one. She didn't do that one. She didn't do that one. And you could just keep going.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

And I don't want the narrat be like, oh, she. She didn't do anything else. She didn't do anything El. It's like, I think it's totally at her discretion. I do think the, the. The bubble's about to burst on. We've been blue balled out of anything, anything our pop in like 12 years.

[Matt Rogers]

1.

[Anna Hosnier]

And it's out of love that we say. It's out of love and enjoyment that we say. And also, yeah, I mean Venus babe. Like, like Venus when you touch me. Just a little excited. I wonder if this could be love. This could be love. I mean we've. We've performed that live more than Gaga. I'm not even kidding.

[Richie Perez]

Tears down everyone's. I mean, yes. Self produced Venus. She produced that song herself. I mean she should be so proud of that entire album.

[Matt Rogers]

But especially saw her at Roselyn Ballroom. She closed it down like, oh my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

So yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. So I saw, I saw Beyonce's four there. She did four shows. Four shows. Yes. It was 2011, the summer of 2011. It was four. She did four shows at Rosa and Bodom. And they were by far up till that point because now I've seen her since and obviously. So she. It's gotten even better.

[Matt Rogers]

We just saw such an intimate venue at the time.

[Anna Hosnier]

I was like, that is the most special intimate performance of something so big I had ever seen. And that. And then the real gag was like two months later or shortly after, she did the. The blue Ivy Carter baby bump reveal on the VMAs. And I realized in that moment that she had been pregnant the entire time.

[Matt Rogers]

Holy shit.

[Anna Hosnier]

Which was really crazy. Yes, that was crazy.

[Richie Perez]

She knew she was pregnant.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yes. And I remember. And then it made me. Because one of the most emotional moments of the whole thing was her doing one plus one. And because Jay was there. Etc. And I remember being like, wow, she really just like ripped a hole into that song. And I realized I was like, oh, it's because she knew she was pregnant with her first child.

[Richie Perez]

Damn.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Oh my God.

[Anna Hosnier]

And dancing like, no, you've never seen.

[Richie Perez]

Like there's the end of time. Sort of like live music video. That's just her at the Roseland doing. I'm like, yeah, rules so good.

[Anna Hosnier]

We heard Girls Run the World in the streets before the Paris show.

[Richie Perez]

We were like this song too.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean her too. Like her VMA Vanguard. Like, oh, everything. Like the 13 minute or however long.

[Anna Hosnier]

That was after the self titled. Right?

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That is also something that I'm like just to watch. To be like, energized and invigorated. Like, it's so. She's phenomenal.

[Anna Hosnier]

We haven't even really gotten on the mic since then to really talk about the Cowboy Carter show. But the part I was most excited for Bowen to see were the visuals.

[Richie Perez]

Were the visuals.

[Anna Hosnier]

The visuals were. Speak on the visuals.

[Richie Perez]

Well, the visuals were. I mean, when I turned them out, I was like, like, this was a kajillion different setups and costumes and hair moments and like, like, like lighting, gaffing moments. And she. And they're so. And I say, like, thrown away because it was just like half second, half second, half second. Cut, cut, cut, cut, cut. It was like they. This must have taken months. Months to shoot. And it's all for these intersections.

[Anna Hosnier]

We were like, she very easily could have done like a cow. And may have done like a Cowboy Carter feature film because not only were there so many gorgeous, like high quality cinematic setups and costumes, whatever, but she was acting. It's the best acting she's.

[Richie Perez]

Yes.

[Anna Hosnier]

Ever done in these cowboy cardiovasuals.

[Richie Perez]

Yep.

[Anna Hosnier]

There's a moment where she is like in a fight with a woman at a bar and she takes a beer bottle and just smashes it over her head.

[Matt Rogers]

Is it like a narrative?

[Anna Hosnier]

Like the tour, you know, what would you call it? It's more vignettes.

[Richie Perez]

It's vignettes. It's vignettes that like, really do an amazing job job of like, of like. I. I did not realize that I was getting distracted so that she could quick change and then come out the other side of it. You know what I mean?

[Anna Hosnier]

No. Anyone going to the bathroom during the visuals? Like, it's hard to say you missed one of the best parts because the whole thing. But it was like you could not pull away from that tour because there was always something cool happening.

[Richie Perez]

Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Always. The whole time. Are you going?

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, I. I rarely go to. At concerts. I just need to. I need to literally be like sat like right next to them and I need them to personally invite me.

[Anna Hosnier]

You'd prefer that Beyonce just sit you down.

[Matt Rogers]

She's like, richer. I got to see for you. Enjoy the show. Like, I. Yeah. And then I'll be like. Okay, fine. Yeah. Thank you so much, man.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay, you ready for. I don't think so, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, right.

[Richie Perez]

Okay, Right. Okay. I've been listening since 2018.

[Anna Hosnier]

Yeah, right. Lying ass. This.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you serious?

[Anna Hosnier]

Richard Perez? I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. I don't think so, honey, the people who were unkind when I was a little boy walking the streets of New Jersey with my goddamn headphones on, bitch.

[Anna Hosnier]

Okay, okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Life is no fun Nuclear waters I try to have fun I'm listening with my bag of CDs rumbling, rumbling around and you shout something unkind to me while I'm listening to Juno. Do you know who the fuck you're talking to? You know who the fuck you're talking to? Let him know that you know. But I thought that that was so uncalled for and very, very unkind to do to a young, young, young child. But I wish you well, and I hope that you're okay. But never do that again. And if you are doing that, if you are doing that, if I find out you are shouting unkind things to kids from your car. Yeah, I don't think so, honey. I'm gonna do something about it.

[Anna Hosnier]

And that's one minute. That must have been hard.

[Richie Perez]

That must have been hard.

[Matt Rogers]

That was my princess origin story.

[Richie Perez]

Literally, Period.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

And also, can you imagine? Imagine shouting something at a child?

[Matt Rogers]

That's sick.

[Richie Perez]

It's so truly crazy that anyone would ever do that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's crazy.

[Richie Perez]

From a car.

[Matt Rogers]

From a car.

[Richie Perez]

Like, you're in the most cowardly position.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Richie Perez]

You pussy. I'm sorry.

[Matt Rogers]

Literally, it.

[Anna Hosnier]

Listen, you.

[Richie Perez]

You pussy.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that literally, that's what they were. Yeah.

[Anna Hosnier]

Stilettos category on the bar. My favorite.

[Richie Perez]

One of my favorite Beyonce moments ever recorded. The way she says, don't even waste your time trying to compete with me. Like, are you kidding me?

[Matt Rogers]

Wait, what's that from?

[Anna Hosnier]

Superstar?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

Don't even. We were laughing because, like, it's the Cowboy Carter World Tour. And then she does Renaissance for three songs. She's like, welcome to the Renaissance. But there's already been, like, kind of five songs from Renaissance out, and it's Cozy. Cuff it. And she basically does, like, the first few songs, and then she calls that the Renaissance section. But she also does thick. Thick, to me, was the moment of the show.

[Richie Perez]

America's a problem.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, yeah. No, America was a problem, was everything. Because that's when Beyonce is funny with her little.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my gosh. I feel like Beyonce is so hilarious.

[Richie Perez]

She's hilarious.

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like she, like, oh, my gosh. Y' all need to get her on here. I feel like she would be like.

[Anna Hosnier]

I feel like she just doesn't do this.

[Matt Rogers]

She doesn't do that kind of thing. But I feel like if, like, you ever, like. I don't know. I'm so curious. Like, her just like backstage, like, with her people. Like, I feel like she's, like, funny.

[Anna Hosnier]

Well, you forget how many interviews she used to do.

[Richie Perez]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what? And I feel like she's also. I have a feeling she's really good at impressions.

[Richie Perez]

Interesting. Well, remember, like, like during. I think. I think Sasha Fierce, she would do, like, these anecdotes. She would have banter on stage. There was one famous one. She was like, one time I came home, my husband goes, beyonce, have you gone swimming? Cause your nose sounds all clogged up and like, that's like.

[Anna Hosnier]

That's like her.

[Richie Perez]

She was doing standup and she was like, doing act outs as Jay Z. Yeah. Being like, have you got gone swimming?

[Anna Hosnier]

It was her JFL showcase at the time. She wanted to go to Montreal. Beyonce wanted an SNL audition. Well, she was famously in the. The Single lady sketch. She. She knew exactly how to play it.

[Richie Perez]

And she was very good.

[Anna Hosnier]

Clowns.

[Richie Perez]

Clowns. Well, your princess origin story is something that we can all learn from.

[Matt Rogers]

Definitely.

[Anna Hosnier]

What would you say to el. The princess princesses out there?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I would say to all the princesses out there to just follow your heart and stay true to who you are and have a drink a lot of water and have a really good day. Put your best foot forward and take care of yourself. I know others well.

[Anna Hosnier]

I know that everyone would benefit from going to see Richard perform live. I love you. You're one of my favorite life performers. I think you're so good. I know.

[Richie Perez]

Spectacular.

[Anna Hosnier]

Of course, we always talk about how. How funny you are.

[Richie Perez]

We love you a lot. September 2nd, September 7th, Joe's Pub.

[Anna Hosnier]

And July 12th, because it's going to come out July 9th. We were deciding now it's going to be our head with our producers. This is the theme song to the Hills. We end every episode with a song. And this is one of the greatest songs of all time. Bon and I agree. Let's go back the hill, Back the Grunipe.

[Richie Perez]

No, no, this is the Hills. The Hills is unwritten. Oh, my gosh.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, right then this is Laguna Beach.

[Richie Perez]

Mandela effect. Oh, sorry.

[Anna Hosnier]

Which is the one? Wait, this is the one. The one you rewatched was Laguna beach, right?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Richie Perez]

Yes. Sorry. Okay, sorry.

[Anna Hosnier]

I'm not even going to have it cut out. I'm just going to say that was my mistake.

[Richie Perez]

No, no, no, it's okay.

[Anna Hosnier]

I should have just.

[Richie Perez]

I should have just. Oh, he meant Laguna beach. And I. Should I. I feel like I said it.

[Anna Hosnier]

No, no, no. Because I made a mistake. Here we go.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's go back, back, back to the beginning?

[Anna Hosnier]

Back to when the earth, the sun, the stars all alive? This is like an odyssey of its own? Perfect didn't seem so perfect?

[Matt Rogers]

Trying to fit a square into a circle?

[Anna Hosnier]

Was no lies, time I defy? Let the rain fall down? And wake my dreams? Let it wash away my sanity? Cause I wanna feel the thunder, I wanna scream? Let the rain fall down? I'm coming clean. Give it to the camera.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm coming clean. Babe.

[Anna Hosnier]

What did you say, babe?

[Richie Perez]

I said babe, like the way that. The way that Richard did.

[Anna Hosnier]

Oh, God.

[Richie Perez]

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[Anna Hosnier]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier.

[Richie Perez]

And produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Behm and Monique Laborg.

[Anna Hosnier]

And our music is by Henry Kabirsky.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Richie Perez]

Readers, Katies publicists finalists, and of course, Kyle's. Listen up.

[Anna Hosnier]

The time has come. You've asked, and we've answered the call. Las Culturistas is getting our own YouTube channel.

[Richie Perez]

You heard that, right? Check out full episodes. Iconic interviews, visual bits and culture moments that'll change your life.

[Anna Hosnier]

We could not be more excited to launch the channel with the announcement of our culture award nominations.

[Richie Perez]

So don't wait. Be sure to watch las culturistas on [e-mail] las culturistas.

[Joseph Reeves]

Maybe you've heard that Stonewall was a riot where queer people fought back against police. Or that it's the reason pride is celebrated this time of year.

[Matt Rogers]

It was one of the most noticeable, liberating things that I have ever done.

[Joseph Reeves]

Legend says Marsha P. Johnson threw the very first brick.

[Anna Hosnier]

Start banging on the door of the Stonewall like one.

[Matt Rogers]

Boom.

[Joseph Reeves]

This week on Afterlives, we'll separate the truth from the myth in the life of Marsha P. Johnson. Listen to afterlives on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Show me how good it can get today, God. And show the rest of the world what we already know it can't get. No better than being hella black, hella queer, and hella Christian. My name is Joseph Reeves. I am the creator and host of Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian, a fully black, fully queer, fully human, fully divine podcast. From iHeartMedia to Hella Black, Hella Queer, Hella Christian on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast. This is an iHeart podcast.