"Matt & Bow Take The Substance" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Summary

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Episode: "Matt & Bow Take The Substance"
Release Date: January 15, 2025
Produced by: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Introduction: A Collaborative Beginning

Timestamp: 01:09 - 03:27

Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang kick off the episode with their signature warmth and camaraderie. They celebrate their enduring friendship, highlighting the "great fortune of beauty and friendship" that binds them. The conversation quickly establishes a tone of mutual respect and affection, setting the stage for deeper discussions ahead.

Notable Quote:
Matt Rogers (01:33): "We have a great bounty, a friendship here. A treasure of beauty and friendship."

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Addressing Current Events: Devastating Fires in Los Angeles

Timestamp: 03:27 - 09:18

The hosts shift focus to the ongoing fires in Los Angeles, expressing deep concern for those affected. Bowen shares his anxieties about the city's plight, emphasizing the mental health toll and the sheer devastation faced by residents.

Notable Quotes:
Bowen Yang (03:59): "I think we are still going to give Las Culturistas. I mean, our theme for this year, actually, we decided, is more random bullshit."
Matt Rogers (05:00): "It's a very unique kind of grief to have so many emotional attachments kind of fall away to ash, literally."

They discuss the inadequacy of systemic responses, praising the rapid mobilization of interpersonal mutual aid while lamenting the lack of top-down support. The conversation delves into societal challenges, including politicization during crises and the impact on community relationships.

Notable Quote:
Bowen Yang (06:49): "It's hard. I will never forget some people whose instinct was to just immediately politicize this and immediately make it about other things."

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Diving into Pop Culture: The Movie "Substance"

Timestamp: 10:42 - 47:19

The episode transitions to an enthusiastic discussion about the film "Substance," starring Demi Moore and Margaret Qualley. Matt and Bowen delve into the movie's themes, performances, and its standing in the current cinematic landscape.

Overview of "Substance":
"Substance" explores the life of Elizabeth Sparkle (Demi Moore), an aging actress grappling with Hollywood's obsession with youth. After a life-altering accident, she discovers a mysterious substance that allows her to transform into a younger version of herself, leading to complex questions about identity, mental health, and societal pressures.

Key Themes Discussed:

• Identity and Self-Perception: The duality of Elizabeth and her younger self represents internal conflicts and societal expectations.
• Mental Health: The movie portrays struggles with self-hate and dysmorphia, offering a nuanced look at mental illness.
• Cinematic Influences: Comparisons to "The Shining," "Dorian Gray," and classic body horror films highlight the movie's rich intertextuality.

Notable Quotes:
Matt Rogers (24:51): "It's purely about the interiority of this hatred that you have with yourself."
Bowen Yang (42:19): "It's so gross, you guys. It's disgusting, which is the whole point."

The hosts commend Demi Moore's performance, describing it as "the role she was born to play," and praise Margaret Qualley's portrayal of the younger Elizabeth as "a perfect center for the dark tones of the movie."

Notable Quote:
Bowen Yang (43:13): "The casting of Margaret Qualley is like, you'd fully believe that's her younger double."

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Oscars and Nominations: Celebrating Achievements

Timestamp: 11:31 - 46:45

Matt and Bowen segue into the Oscars, discussing various nominations related to "Substance" and other films. They express excitement and pride over their peers' accomplishments, highlighting standout performances and casting choices.

Key Points:

• Jonathan Bailey's Nomination: Praised as "an inspired nomination" with references likening him to Dick Van Dyke.
• Cynthia Erivo and Ariana DeBose: Their ensemble nominations are celebrated for their impactful performances.
• Margaret Qualley's Absence: The hosts express disappointment over her lack of nomination despite her critical role.

Notable Quotes:
Matt Rogers (14:11): "I'm proud of the work that everybody did, especially Jonathan Bailey getting the nomination for supporting."
Bowen Yang (16:13): "If you wake up on Oscar nomination morning and I don't see whoever is reading those nominations, say the name Margaret Qualley, you will have a lot. There will be more destruction."

They also touch upon the broader implications of award nominations, discussing the intersection of acting credentials and the cultural impact of performances.

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Personal Anecdotes and Lighthearted Moments

Timestamp: 47:19 - 82:06

The conversation takes a lighter turn as Matt and Bowen share personal stories and humorous exchanges. Topics range from Matt's experience with a photo shoot where he "took the beat off" and the evolution of euphemisms for oral sex, to Bowen's mishap involving a tailbone injury during a party trip to Miami.

Notable Quotes:
Matt Rogers (02:20): "Throw neck is so much better than I hated. Give head."
Bowen Yang (61:43): "I literally bit it. Shit on some stairs. Landed on my tailbone."

They also discuss their shared love for horror genres, their thoughts on various films and TV shows, and playful banter about podcasting and pop culture phenomena like "South Park" and "Housewives of Salt Lake City."

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Cultural Discussions: Beyond the Screen

Timestamp: 82:07 - 89:53

Delving deeper into cultural analysis, Matt and Bowen explore the impact of television shows and societal narratives. They critique the portrayal of characters in children's programming, referencing "Barney" and "South Park," and discuss the broader cultural implications of these portrayals.

Key Points:

• Children's Programming and Societal Impact: The hosts analyze how shows like "Barney" and "South Park" influence societal perceptions and behaviors.
• Authenticity in Media: They critique the commodification of podcasts and the use of fake advertising, emphasizing the importance of genuine content creation.

Notable Quotes:
Matt Rogers (72:05): "It's still going. Like, it's such an important piece of culture."
Bowen Yang (88:57): "People are using our form and medium to create, to try to sell and shill for bullshit."]

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Conclusion: Resolutions and Closing Thoughts

Timestamp: 89:53 - End

As the episode draws to a close, Matt and Bowen reflect on their personal resolutions and the future of their podcast. They express a desire to maintain authenticity and resist the pressures of commercialization, while also sharing lighthearted plans for future episodes and celebrations.

Notable Quotes:
Bowen Yang (91:24): "Keep doing what I'm doing."
Matt Rogers (91:25): "Keep doing what you're doing. That's my resolution."

They wrap up with their trademark humor, addressing the pressures of podcasting and the importance of staying true to their creative visions.

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Final Thoughts

"Matt & Bow Take The Substance" offers a rich tapestry of emotional depth, cultural critique, and personal anecdotes. From addressing real-world tragedies to dissecting complex cinematic works, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang deliver an engaging and insightful episode that resonates on multiple levels. Their ability to balance serious discourse with humor and personal storytelling makes this episode a standout addition to Las Culturistas' lineup.

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References:
Throughout the episode, Matt and Bowen reference various cultural touchstones, including "Substance," "Jet Plane," "South Park," and notable figures in the entertainment industry, weaving a comprehensive analysis of contemporary culture.

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[Bowen Yang]

Look, man, there. Oh, I see. My, oh, my. Bowen, look over there.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Ding dong. Las culturistas calling. We're back.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, what an auspicious beginning to the year.

[Bowen Yang]

Oof.

[Matt Rogers]

No. What do you mean, oof?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, why were you calling it auspicious? Because we get to be together.

[Matt Rogers]

We get to be together.

[Bowen Yang]

We have a great bounty.

[Matt Rogers]

We have a great bounty, a friendship here. A treasure of beauty and friendship.

[Bowen Yang]

A treasure of beauty. Is that the definition of bounty? A treasure of beauty?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no, no.

[Bowen Yang]

A great fortune. A great fortune of beauty.

[Matt Rogers]

I forget when. I forget how you used this sequence of words, but it's so Matt Rogers. It's. You have a great fortune.

[Bowen Yang]

You have a great fortune of beauty.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you do. I'm actually sitting here with you right now and. Are you in a full beat right now?

[Matt Rogers]

No, I. I actually took the beat off.

[Bowen Yang]

You took the beat off? Yeah, yeah. Because you did a little photo shoot for snl.

[Matt Rogers]

I did I. For an SNL related thing for something.

[Bowen Yang]

So they get you in a full beat for the photo shoot. Tell us how photo shoots work.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, they put you in a full bead and then they say, okay, your hair looks okay, and these are the clothes.

[Bowen Yang]

And they say, hey, throw that neck for me.

[Matt Rogers]

Throw that neck for me. You. You end the phrase throw neck. Talk about this we have to give.

[Bowen Yang]

Credit where it's due. Delta Work one time went on a tear on her podcast about throwing neck. Like, you want me to throw neck? And I actually didn't know what it was. And now throw neck has entered my lexicon.

[Matt Rogers]

Throw neck is so much better than I hated. Give head.

[Bowen Yang]

No, Give head's awesome.

[Matt Rogers]

Give head is so bad. Ew.

[Bowen Yang]

We're talking about euphemisms for oral sex, AKA blowjob. We could also bring back blowjob.

[Matt Rogers]

Blowjob. You gave him a blow job.

[Bowen Yang]

You gave him a blow job. A blow job. Like, I don't know.

[Matt Rogers]

He gives good blowjobs. I want people to say that about me. No.

[Bowen Yang]

Blowjob is so 90s, actually, really close to number eight.

[Matt Rogers]

Blowjob is so nice. And what? Give head is so odds.

[Bowen Yang]

So odds. And throw neck is so 2000 and twenties.

[Matt Rogers]

So 2020. That's why I meant auspicious beginning of the year. Obviously, there was a coping kind of cheekiness to it because of things being so devastating.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. I was just saying to Beau right before we got on, I'm actually super anxious to do the podcast today, and anytime there's something going on, like the horrible fires that are happening right now in Los Angeles. And by the way, it's still ongoing. I mean, we're recording this on Monday, January 13th. This will come out on Wednesday. And, you know, the next couple of days are going to be very trying for the city and for the area. And I think we are still going to give Lost Cult. I mean, our theme for this year, actually, we decided, is more random bullshit.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

So look forward to that. But I feel like I do just want to speak to everyone that. Because I know for a fact that we have people that listen to this and a great listener base in Los Angeles and so many people there that are being affected, that are losing everything. And it just goes so beyond just the loss of property. I mean, the mental health right now, it's so demoralizing. It is so. It's hard to wrap your head around the amount of devastation and just how much work needs to be done. And all I really want to say is that we are sending all of our love and strength to everyone that's affected, everyone that will be affected. For people checking in on me, I'm fine. Like, I'm in New York and have been. I had some work stuff to do at the top of the year. I've obviously ended up remaining here just to kind of stay out of the way. But truly heartbreaking and Just know that we will continue to provide a space for you to hopefully laugh and, you know, feel like there's someone beside you.

[Matt Rogers]

Because it is a very unique kind of grief to have so many emotional attachments kind of fall away to ash, literally. I mean, there's something. Something very obviously unique about every kind of disastrous thing, but with it is like uncontrollable, unpredictable, fast. And it all happens in a way that defies any kind of processing. And things will just take a very long time on every level. Things will take a very long time to feel tolerable in any way. And that is what's probably the saddest collective thing that people outside of Los Angeles must be feeling. But then it certainly pales in comparison to what people who are currently there and who will be dealing with this for the next several years are feeling in this moment.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I mean, it's hard, right? Because sometimes it's just you're sitting on your computer or in front of your TV or on your phone and you see things start to fill up that space and it's like, you know, the politic, the politicization and the finger pointing and stuff is so unhelpful, and it's hard. I will never forget some people whose instinct was to just immediately politicize this and immediately make it about other things. When people's homes are burning, when people are losing family, losing pets. Relationships get so challenged during things like this. You know what I mean? It's just the last thing on anyone's mind should be like, dunking on this city. Which, by the way, obviously I get it. Like, LA gets dunked on. You know what I mean? It all feels very fucking stupid.

[Matt Rogers]

Why would you do that in this moment?

[Bowen Yang]

Because for some people, they just can't separate their actual need for attention and for people to rally around whatever thought they have. I mean, it's like it's a fucking dark day for social media. When I log on and I see that people have all the fucking answers. When it's like you clearly don't and can't.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's officially curtains.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, God.

[Matt Rogers]

For soc.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

TikTok ban take it. At this point, Zuck being Zuck, like, it's just. It's over. There's no.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Which is not to say that, like, TikTok going away potentially is like a celebratory thing. It's just like, if you had any doubt that. And now I'm like sounding a little tinfoil, but it's like if you had any doubt this Is all part of some like this isn't some kind of like propaganda machine. Essentially. It's like why are all of these fucking tech bros like right wingers now anyway? We can't get into this. No, it's.

[Bowen Yang]

There's so much. There's time for this stuff later. All I want to say right now.

[Matt Rogers]

But actually Bowen and I literally falling into the trap.

[Bowen Yang]

Bowen and I literally said we won't do more than seven minutes on this because what we're gonna do is we're gonna bring you lost coach. We have a lot to say over the. About what's gone on over the past like month since we've seen you guys. We hope you guys enjoyed the rereleases. I think we actually carried down in terms of what we chose. We tore more a tour, carried it more. But last thing I want to say the first thing I'm going to do when I get back to the city, which I don't know when that will be. Hopefully end of the week. We'll see is I'm going to my apartment, I'm going to my closet. Every single thing that I don't need is getting donated. I encourage you to do the same. These resources, luckily because of social media are not donated. Difficult to find in terms of where you can donate and if you are in the position to give. I said it about the hurricanes in Florida. I'm saying it now. Please do that because people really need help. They really need help bad. And my heart goes out to everybody.

[Matt Rogers]

If anything can be taken away from this, it's that the thing that has been mobilized the quickest and the most incredibly is interpersonal mutual aid.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Thing. It's devastating that it's not anything more part of a larger system. It's just it is literally like bottom up and it still has yet to be a top down thing. And as we go into like a new sort of era as it were, like that is. That will not be the thing that anyone can rely on.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean let's. I guess, you know what, you know what y'all, let's fucking see you. We fucked around. I guess we're going to find out depending on what goes down in terms of our federal government. But I guess we'll just continue to watch that.

[Matt Rogers]

Crazy that the response is what it is because it's a blue state. It's really fucking crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean let's not even. Let's literally not even. Let's just hope to God that resources are given to people that need it regardless of where they Live or who they are or xyz. Reason the last thing I want to say about it is shout out doesn't even do it justice to all of the firefighters that are giving everything to put this out. I mean, like, truly watching these, the aircrafts go up and the water get dumped and like just seeing how precise all of it is and watching these people scale mountains to get to places putting themselves in harm's way, truly all respect and heroic kudos to them. Like, it's just amazing what you see people are willing to do to help others. And that is something that. Let's just highlight that at the end of this and as it all unfolds. So far, my place is okay, but I have a fucking one bedroom apartment. You know, I'm all right. I'm just, I'm. My heart is broken for people that are losing stuff.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Anyway, we watched the Substance last night.

[Matt Rogers]

We are the last.

[Bowen Yang]

Anyway, it's Oscar season.

[Matt Rogers]

Were the last few gay men to see this movie.

[Bowen Yang]

Watched it together. It actually was my. You guys aren't gonna believe this. This was my second time seeing the movie.

[Matt Rogers]

Do we have a burgeoning horror enthusiast in our midst?

[Bowen Yang]

Do we?

[Matt Rogers]

I think we do. I always thought that Matt Rogers would be a horror buff. Like I. I think you've grown up a lot since you self identified this way.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I don't. I think you can let that go. I think you can let. Ooh, I'm squeamish about horror. I think you've leveled the fuck up. And you. If you can sit through the substance twice in one week. Yeah, I think you're fine.

[Bowen Yang]

I knew what. Here's the thing.

[Matt Rogers]

It's such a rich genre. It's such a shame that you're missing out on.

[Bowen Yang]

No. Can I tell you something? It's one of the genres that I respect the most. Horror and sci fi.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I actually think. Because you can genuinely. And let's talk. We'll talk about this movie in connection to this idea. But you can more than anything else so brilliantly make points about our culture when you are a sci fi or horror filmmaker. And both. This is obviously both. I knew I was going to have to see it because I'm just rooting so hard for Demi and I'm more to say about her in a second. But I was like, you know what? I'm going to nut up and I'm going to fucking watch this.

[Matt Rogers]

Because you got to nut up for Demi and Margaret.

[Bowen Yang]

I have to nut up for Demi and Margaret. And that's a ruler culture number 30.

[Matt Rogers]

You have to nut up for Demi and Margaret.

[Bowen Yang]

And let's include Margaret in the conversation because if I wake up on Oscar nomination morning and I don't see whoever is reading those nominations, say the name Margaret Qualley, you will have a lot. There will be more destruction.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, and that's like.

[Bowen Yang]

That's a little light humor there. That's because I think we could all use a little light humor.

[Matt Rogers]

Facetious queen. Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

This is. Is it. I think it's our favorite movie of the year.

[Matt Rogers]

It's our favorite movie of the year.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Period. Notwithstanding projects that we've been involved in.

[Bowen Yang]

I think Wicked has to occupy its own space.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course. And let me say own lane.

[Bowen Yang]

It is occupying its own space for me. I've seen Wicked, I think. I actually don't remember if it's four or five times, but it's obviously one of my favorite films. Like. And congratulations to you on your sagnom.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

I feel like every time there's a nominations announcement, my sister always gets the flowers. Because you have everything everywhere all at once. No, I'm not just saying that.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm very grateful to be included among this superlative. You guys are my actors. You're really my. There's a sort of self deprecating part of me that says I, like, somehow conned my way into that. Into that group. But also I'm very proud of.

[Bowen Yang]

You are in the ensemble. I elevated the film.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm proud of the work that everybody did. Yes. Especially Jonathan Bailey getting the nomination for supporting.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that was major.

[Matt Rogers]

Such a nice. What's the word? Tasteful choice. You used a word when we were talking about this that we were like when SAG nominations came out and then we were talking about Jonathan, we're like, oh, we're so happy for Jonathan. You said, oh.

[Bowen Yang]

Are you looking through text?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I'm looking through text.

[Bowen Yang]

What did I say about Johnny Bailey's nomination? I believe that I said something.

[Matt Rogers]

We gotta cut around this one second.

[Bowen Yang]

No, this is real life.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no. Okay. This. We. We were texting up a storm.

[Bowen Yang]

Here's the thing about us. We are texting up a storm. That's actually roller coaster number 18. Here's the thing about us. We are texting up a storm.

[Matt Rogers]

Now this is what you said about Jonathan Bailey's nomination. Inspired nomination. I think it is an inspired nomination because he is.

[Bowen Yang]

Because the thing about that role is it's like, first of all, Jonathan Bailey is like Dick Van Dyke. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God, what a great comparison.

[Bowen Yang]

That's like the highest compliment I could give true entertainer.

[Matt Rogers]

That physicality is delightful.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Just dripping in charisma.

[Matt Rogers]

And I'm saying that just in terms of the way he moves and dances, not his physique. It's not his physique. His physicality.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I mean, listen, first of all, if we're going to have Fiero, that's exactly what it should be looking like. Fiero, a triumph in both casting and tailoring. That's what I would say about everything. That doesn't have to do with Jonathan Bailey.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

But in terms of what does have to do with him, now, that's the definitive Fiero. I mean, so easy to fall in love with. Immediately you get why everyone on screen is doing that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, treating him that way. Just like, you know, in a movie like that where they clearly loved it so much. Got the ensemble nom. Cynthia and Ariana. Like, I love it. And it's a true supporting nomination, which is something that I ring the bell on a lot, which is the category fraud of it all, of course.

[Matt Rogers]

And that is. Look, it's an acting award granted by actors that he is performing in the truest sense.

[Bowen Yang]

I think I'm not surprised at all. Why people saw his name and were, like, checking that box.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And you think they saw. You think they saw mine for ensemble and said, yes, I think that.

[Bowen Yang]

Here's what happened when I got to ensemble. I think they, first of all, wicked w all the way at the end. And I think you, Yang, were all the way at the end of that. So I think you were the last thing.

[Matt Rogers]

I was the closer.

[Bowen Yang]

You were the closer of the entire booklet. And I've been a SAG voting committee member. Not this year, but I have been in the past. I know how it works. And all I know is I think they closed their books very pleased with themselves, knowing that they had voted to nominate the one, the only sistren I have called Bowen.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm the closer. I'm Kira. I'm. I'm Kyra Sedgwick in this Bitch, so.

[Bowen Yang]

Kyra Sedgwick in this Bitch. But okay, so it wasn't all great for me, though, because like I just said, Margaret Qualley was not on the list for sag. And let me tell you something, the Academy members, if you're any of you listening to this. Yeah, I can actually vote till Friday now. I'm not waking up and not hearing Margaret Qualley's name. What she does in this movie, both of them, epic.

[Matt Rogers]

Every inch of her was covered except her one eye.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's fucking talk about this film. So the substance, if you don't know, now you know. It's about Demi Moore. She plays an aging actress named Elizabeth Sparkle. Let's just pause.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's just let that live. And then let's go. Elizabeth Sparkle.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all, the very first thing you see is her Hollywood star, Elizabeth Sparkle. And you're like, her name is Elizabeth Sparkle. And then the tone of the movie begins, and it's just so brilliant. Like, what's. How do you. How would you say. What would you say the tone is?

[Matt Rogers]

The tone is. God, the tone is like B movie.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like B movie noir.

[Matt Rogers]

B movie noir.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, also, like, very aware of the fact that it's a body horror movie.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

And it's, like, crunchy and juicy and very. You mentioned the very first frame. You were like, I already love this because it's just the hard materials of the. The Hollywood star that they're making.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the movie is molding and shaping and. And so, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

It's about being defined by what physically makes you up.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And allowing that to go too far. And the movie never loses sight of that. Coralie Farghee.

[Matt Rogers]

Farja.

[Bowen Yang]

Is it Farja?

[Matt Rogers]

Farja.

[Bowen Yang]

Because some people are fully pronouncing it Fargheer.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's interesting. So then maybe I'm wrong.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause I'm looking at it, and I think it's.

[Matt Rogers]

You are. You are putting in the time to watch these interviews and to hear the utterances of the names.

[Bowen Yang]

We might as well just call Coralie the Legend.

[Matt Rogers]

Hold on. We can't move forward without knowing the proper pronunciation.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm looking at it as someone who clearly is not. I'm not exactly whipping out a French accent, but I'm looking at the way it's far. It looks like Farjay to me.

[Matt Rogers]

Corali.

[Bowen Yang]

Farja. Farjia.

[Matt Rogers]

Farjia.

[Bowen Yang]

Coralie. Farjia.

[Matt Rogers]

Fargheet. Come on.

[Bowen Yang]

Someone said fargeet.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I'm not saying come on at you. I'm saying come on at whoever is broadcasting Fargheet.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, lots of failures in broadcasting fargheet.

[Matt Rogers]

Not. Not the slur.

[Bowen Yang]

Fargheet sounds like a slur.

[Matt Rogers]

It sounds like a. You know. You know what? To speak of another Best Actress potential nominee Mikey Madison really put her pussy into faggot. To saying the word faggot.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I absolutely love. I don't know if we've gotten into. Because I don't think you had seen a Nora.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right, right.

[Bowen Yang]

When I had seen an order. You've now seen Anora.

[Matt Rogers]

I have now seen a Nora and I have now. Yes, of course.

[Bowen Yang]

I love Mikey Madison and Anora. Like, can I say best actress?

[Matt Rogers]

Wild, Wild this year. Cynthia. Come on, Cynthia.

[Bowen Yang]

I hope Cynthia is locked.

[Matt Rogers]

I think she is.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, there's some people online that are. That are kind of giving the fear what happened to Margot Robbie could happen to Cynthia.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Bowen Yang]

Because, like. But I also think it's a totally different thing. I will be so bummed out if Cynthia misses.

[Matt Rogers]

Come on, Cynthia. Fucking. You're with her every step of the way.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

In that movie, all the way up until that last fucking battle cry. It's like, come on. Another actor would have.

[Bowen Yang]

You could. It wouldn't have been the same.

[Matt Rogers]

It wouldn't have been the same. Cynthia gave us such a sublime version of just that story up until that point. Oh, my God. Come on, Please get this.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, it's so great. And I listened to the wizard and I a bunch today. By the way, I covered the wizard and I in my Christmas show, and each and every time, it was the best moment of my life. Like, literally. I can't believe that song. And she's done yet another defining performance of that song. You can watch all the Alphabet sing the wizard and I. Cynthia not only put her own spin on it, but also did the song so much justice. And that's like the point in the movie where you're like, it's confirmed at that point that this is a great film.

[Matt Rogers]

You're in safe hands.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

After that, I just love it.

[Bowen Yang]

Not to speak too much more about that, but, like, I hope she gets her nomination. I think my actress five is Demi, Mikey Madison, Cynthia Erivo, Carlos, Sophia Gascon, and Nicole in Baby Girl. And Nicole's Getting Lost. And this is not to say I also didn't love. I loved Angelina Jolie and Maria. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And then you'd seen Hard Truths.

[Bowen Yang]

I've seen Hard Truths. Marianne John Baptiste is incredible in it. I just. The movie's a. It's a difficult movie and it's a tough character, but she's brilliant. And I've seen the Last Showgirl and I think if Pam Anderson gets a nomination, you're not going to see me. Tis tsking like, I. I root for her and she's fabulous in the movie. I've seen a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

You are. I think you're. This is a. This is a fun year to be a. A completist. Completionist, however you want to say. Yeah, yeah, great year.

[Bowen Yang]

And I haven't even mentioned Fernando Torres, who. The legendary Brazilian actress in the movie. I'm still Here. Who was. Won the globe. And that kind of like that shot her up, shook it up.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Because people were looking at Nicole Kidman or Angelina Jolie to win that and neither of them did.

[Matt Rogers]

Should we get back on track with the substance? I mean, just funny, it wields camp. People throw around this word, but it wields camp in the most perfect way, which is it's poor taste and good taste. That's exactly what that movie is the entire way through.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. And I think it's the dialogue.

[Matt Rogers]

You're just like, oh, my God, this is a reverie. This is dreamlike in every way. And in such a calibrated way, like even. God, even with the Dennis Quaid stuff, it's like, oh, everyone understands this is good direction. Everyone being aligned with the vision and.

[Bowen Yang]

Also that being true when there is so much technical stuff going on. I implore you, if you've seen this movie, the next thing you should do your homework is to watch. It's a 30 minute BTS feature on YouTube about the making of the movie. It is true. Practical filmmaking, practical magic. Practical magic. Let bars sink in. Bars, bars, bars. But like, you watch the movie and you're like, well, surely that part was CGI and it wasn't. And so incredibly creative. She was in terms of what she executed. She's so in control of all her departments. And to speak to again, the acting.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I'm thinking about Margaret.

[Bowen Yang]

Margaret is a legend.

[Matt Rogers]

You're a hit.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no. She's so good. She's so good. And she also knows, like. I don't even know how to say this, but she's exactly pitch perfect on playing both realities.

[Matt Rogers]

Both realities of someone who. Because the thing about these characters of sue and Elizabeth is they only ever really talk to each other. No, actually, they never talk to each other. There's moments of, like, interaction. But, like, both Demi and Margaret are having to be in dialogue with each other when they're solo, which. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. I mean, well, they are one person. So that actually, that was a part where I was like watching the walk and I'm like, okay, so. So if. When you watch the movie. And by the way, if you're totally in the dark about what this movie is, it's about Elizabeth Sparkle, who's an actress who turns 50 and she has like a Jane Fonda workout Class, like, that's, like, her gig now. You get the sense that this is what she's had to do because the Hollywood industry has done what it's done to women. And she's now too old. So she's finishing one of her classes, and it's her birthday, and she gets the word, without saying too much, that because she's old, they're gonna fire her and replace her. Replace her with someone younger. So on the way home, she gets into a car accident. She goes to the hospital, and this, like, young nurse says to her, like, he passes on this thing called the substance. And the substance is something that you can take to create, for lack of a better word, a younger, better version of yourself.

[Matt Rogers]

And there are strict parameters in which you can alternate between your current self and this younger self.

[Bowen Yang]

With the caveat being, remember, you are one being, like, while new matter is created. And then you can. You can occupy that new, younger, more beautiful matter.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

You have to always remember that you are one being in one consciousness. So it's a really interesting exploration of what happens when you hate yourself so much that you actually start. It's just. She loses grip on what's on the rules because she so enjoys being the Margaret Qualley version of herself. And it does. There is, like, this weird binary created between them, but they keep being reminded they are one person. So it's actually this weird, like, also kind of an examination of, like, mental illness and true dysmorphia.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

The movie's doing a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, the movie's doing a lot. And then, like, anytime she faces a consequence, it is so good at leaving you in the audience a little bit unsure, I think in a purely intentional way, not in, like, a plot holy way. It's like you don't know whether it's a scientific consequence or if it's something that is nefariously being carried out by whoever is behind it. I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

You have to see it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I think everyone's seen it except us.

[Bowen Yang]

But honestly, though, I never know because, well, you can, I guess, stream it now on mubi. And I had no idea that Bone was a Mubi lover.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, Matt finds out that I subscribed to mubi, and then he goes, that's a list.

[Bowen Yang]

I go, I believe it's a list to be a movie.

[Matt Rogers]

You at home can be a movie subscriber and feel a list. I guess I bought.

[Bowen Yang]

I bought the film on Apple itunes.

[Matt Rogers]

That seems a list to me as well.

[Bowen Yang]

You think it's a list?

[Matt Rogers]

I think everyone readers Publicist. Katie's finalists. I need to see Matt Rogers in the Criterion Closet.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God. I just watched Pam Anderson's, which was great.

[Matt Rogers]

So good.

[Bowen Yang]

She's so. She does fucking smart.

[Matt Rogers]

She's so smart. She knows so much about. What'd she pick out, like Umbrellas of Cherbourg or whatever?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, she's picked out the film Wanda.

[Matt Rogers]

Which is like a big.

[Bowen Yang]

I've now seen the Last Showgirl, which I'll talk about in a second. I really want you to see it, too. I. I took my ass down to the Angelica.

[Matt Rogers]

And which side of the theater were you on? Right or left?

[Bowen Yang]

Left, actually.

[Matt Rogers]

That's my big. I don't think so many things. I love Angelica, obviously.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Institution.

[Bowen Yang]

I do whatever I can to support it. I.

[Matt Rogers]

It's tough for me. It's tough for a lot of us to be in a theater that has a middle aisle. I just. I just gotta say, center aisle is tough.

[Bowen Yang]

It is tough. You know, in terms of the layout, I was not loving.

[Matt Rogers]

It's okay.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's okay.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not a knock on Angelica. It's just a knock on that seating arrangement in theaters the world over.

[Bowen Yang]

They could never make me hate Angelica.

[Matt Rogers]

They could never make me hate Angelica, though they try.

[Bowen Yang]

Because the seats do need a little bit of sprucing.

[Matt Rogers]

And that bathroom can use a little bit of a sprucing.

[Bowen Yang]

I. I daren't even go in. Oh, but I just shit myself right in the aisle.

[Jason Alexander]

Girl.

[Bowen Yang]

There's space.

[Matt Rogers]

No one's using it.

[Bowen Yang]

But I saw. So I saw the Last Showgirl and. Because I'm excited for Pam. I'm a Pam super fan.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I saw Chicago opening night with Pam.

[Matt Rogers]

You saw Chicago opening night with Pam and you. We are both huge fans of the opening scene of Scary Movie three.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, come on. All of Pam's work. You okay?

[Matt Rogers]

You okay? Cow says moo. Dude, dude, dude.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I'm a Pam fan.

[Matt Rogers]

And no mention of Jenny McCarthy. Sorry, let's keep going.

[Bowen Yang]

Not mentioning her.

[Matt Rogers]

Not mentioning that when I just mentioned her.

[Bowen Yang]

What we need is her take on the fires. Oh, God.

[Matt Rogers]

Substance or last Showgirl?

[Bowen Yang]

So substance still. I mean, like, I.

[Matt Rogers]

It's our favorite movie.

[Bowen Yang]

I knew I liked Margaret quality. You want to know why?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, tell me.

[Bowen Yang]

Because have you seen her Kenzo ad?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

She dances in for a commercial for Kenzo, which. She's everything. And you know, she. Because I'm now a bleach. I'm a Bleacher super fan. Of course she's in the Music video for tiny moves by bleachers. And it's just like just watching her be a stunning dancer. And I have to imagine all that dance background went into her performance here. Just so funny, so smart, so committed, so. And to me, this is what blows me away about the substance and their performances in the substance. Can you just imagine getting that script and reading it and being like, you know what? Yeah, three months of this for sure. I get it, I see it. And I'm willing to commit to this despite the fact that that could have been a huge disaster.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, she's had, she says that she had the same feeling reading that script as she did reading Ghost where she was like, this might not work. This probably won't work. It starts as one thing. It goes into like, it's like they pitched her Ghost and it was like, could read goofy. It's a rom com thrill. It's a romantic thrill thriller.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Like super ghost story supernatural, multi genre.

[Matt Rogers]

And which the substance is as well. Just the distillation of the tone of this movie is all in the billboard for the big New Year's Eve show.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh God, like screaming, I was in tears.

[Matt Rogers]

Just being like, this is so perfectly executed.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like this billboard of Margaret of Sue in this stupid fucking dress, head askew. The New Year's eve show tomorrow, 9pm which implies that they put that billboard up for one day, the day on December 30, and then the next day, the next day, new Billboard Tonight, tonight.

[Bowen Yang]

9:00Pm by the way, these billboards cost like that location of the billboard that they're insinuating. Easily, easily, easily. And it's just so funny because you could choose to watch this movie and be like, wait, what? It's getting screenplay honors. Like this movie is goofy can. Because the tone is so perfect from the second it starts to the end. And it's totally original. It's unlike anything.

[Matt Rogers]

That's what I said out loud to you at one point during the movie where I was just like, I've never seen anything like this. And what a fucking statement that is.

[Bowen Yang]

To say, you know who I'm not?

[Matt Rogers]

Not about me. I'm just saying about like us in film.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, no, 100%. You know, I spent like probably two and a half minutes of my Seth Meyers interview talking about, oh, by the way, it was the first thing I said. I was like, okay, so he was like, golden Globes thoughts. I was like, yeah, we got to win Demi Moore.

[Matt Rogers]

We got to win Demi Moore.

[Bowen Yang]

And off like period, point blank.

[Matt Rogers]

You were so great. On Seth, by the way. My two act legend, by the way. Can we just.

[Bowen Yang]

They did give me two acts. I felt really excited about that.

[Matt Rogers]

You're getting many more acts because guess who's excited about your whole Seth Meyers. Oh, I just saw him for the shoot and he was like, well, I.

[Bowen Yang]

Don'T think people know about that yet.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, then I can.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, we can blur that out. But there's something exciting coming.

[Matt Rogers]

Something very. People are going to be very happy and I'm excited about. This is. This is what the world needs now is love, sweet love.

[Keke Palmer]

Your boyfriend took our money in dips.

[Unknown]

From producer Issa Rae.

[Keke Palmer]

How we gonna make fifteen hundred dollars by six? You bought this?

[Unknown]

Okay, this Thursday.

[Matt Rogers]

You want to loan?

[Bowen Yang]

Don't do it.

[Keke Palmer]

I've never seen a credit score this low. What if we combine our scores?

[Unknown]

Kinky Palmer is having one of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

First the rent and then our Lomo's trying to kill us.

[Unknown]

SZA is having one of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

KE showing cheat and steal on the same day.

[Bowen Yang]

Alyssa, run.

[Matt Rogers]

Damn.

[Unknown]

One of them days. Directed by Lawrence Lamont. Exclusively in theaters this Thursday. Rated R. Under 1799. A minute without ferret.

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[Bowen Yang]

Okay. You know what's actually driving me nuts? Just to go into some personal stuff. So I still have the blonde. I'm like, over the blonde. I want to be. I want to. I want to be brunette again.

[Matt Rogers]

Bad buzz.

[Bowen Yang]

But I have to. I have to keep my hair growing out for something or something. And so now I'm like, do I go somewhere in New York and have them dye my hair brown? No, surely not.

[Matt Rogers]

I just wait this out until you finish the thing because I need to.

[Bowen Yang]

Have brown hair and long hair in the thing.

[Matt Rogers]

I. Yeah. Get a colored hair.

[Bowen Yang]

Get a colored. That could be interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. That could be so interesting. Or you. Or you get a shorn off now.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And then have a grow out. Who knows, in time for.

[Bowen Yang]

You remember in college when I would do black?

[Matt Rogers]

I remember the black era.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't like that.

[Matt Rogers]

I gotta be honest with my sister and say I was not a huge fan, but it was right for the time because you were once again deeply committed to a role.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, I won't dye my hair black. I think it's just because you have black hair and you're jealous. You don't want me to take your crowd.

[Matt Rogers]

It doesn't go with your skin tone.

[Bowen Yang]

You are nasty. You're a nasty A lister. And rude. You are a nasty a lister. Rude. And you have your movie subscription and you think you're all that with your movie.

[Matt Rogers]

You need to get on Criterion channel.

[Bowen Yang]

I feel like I'd get in the. Yeah, I do need to get on Criterion channel. If I went in the closet, I'd be adrift. You would not. I know film Perfect Blue, etc.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, perfect. The film is perfect Blue Criteria. It is not Criterion.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, that's.

[Matt Rogers]

They don't have any Satoshi cone in Criterion, which is actually kind of crazy. They should.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, Criterion. We know you're listening.

[Matt Rogers]

We know you're listening.

[Bowen Yang]

Change it.

[Matt Rogers]

We love you. We're fans, by the way. Oh, my God. I. I had a little Criterion kicker of the holidays, and I watched takeout by Sean Baker. Oh. And it's so crazy how there is this consistency in his vocabulary. As a filmmaker and the way he is so solid and confident in a realism on film. It's the same thing. It's the same preserved shit in a Nora where you're like. There's just something about the dialogue and the way it's written and the direction that he finds it in the edit. Probably because he's an editor. Like just takeout is so, if you can believe it, similar to Anora. It's obviously like he has, you know, working class people in all of his films. But it's like the thing about takeout is like, it's this everyday operational thing at a place that you. That is kind of invisible to society. Right. Like a strip club or a Chinese restaurant. But it's like the goings on, the day to day goings on in those places is a huge, a hugely important thing that defines character and that the characters, the protagonists in these films are driven by like a survival instinct, you know, like, I'm sorry, I'm being so. I'm talking to my neck. But it's, it's the same. It's at the bookends of Sean Baker. It's like from takeout to a norm. Like, God, just a filmmaker who is. Who understands what he's there to do.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I mean, it's. You call it the working class. I would say it's. His films are about the barely working class. His films are about the barely surviving class. And I think that with Anora, I was watching an interview with Mikey, actually was the. It was the Hollywood Reporter actress roundtable, which was great this year. And she was saying. Because the whole table kind of turned to her at one point. She's very shy, she's very reserved. And it's. It's interesting to see her performance in Anora and then see her in real life. Like she's just a talent. Yeah, Big, big fan of hers. But she was saying that it's a lot of improv like that he'll just run the camera, for example, in that.

[Matt Rogers]

First sequence when he just ran the camera. Right.

[Bowen Yang]

And she just kind of had to create ways in which her character would try to pick guys up. And you know, if you've not seen an ora or don't know what we're talking about. It's Sean Baker's film starring Mikey Madison, getting a ton of Oscar buzz. Some people may even call it a front runner in many categories where she plays a stripper slash sex worker who gets involved with this, like, you know, very wealthy Russian oligarch son. And they have A whirlwind romance which is short lived. And then there. There's a very harsh reality to the situation. But she. She really like. I guess that's a thing with Sean Baker's movies is he finds it incredibly collaborative.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Between the performers and him. Because he also gets. He has casting credit on his movies. He has edit credit. He's got all this stuff in a way that I'd be interested to see how that makes casting directors feel. But like this guy is totally in charge of what he's putting out there. And. Yeah, it's interesting. It's like two different movies.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you talking about like a. Nora is split into two? Totally. It has that quality of like. But it still works in like this traditional like three act structure. It's like. Oh, like it all. It all falls into the same.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like marks or whatever.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like you have fun watching it like all his movies and then you leave heartbroken.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course.

[Bowen Yang]

Did you see Red Rocket?

[Matt Rogers]

I never got to see Red Rocket. Oh, my God. Simon Rex and I shared a plane one time.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? I love Simon Rex.

[Matt Rogers]

I love him.

[Bowen Yang]

He's so great.

[Matt Rogers]

Speaking of Scary Movie Three.

[Bowen Yang]

Three, three, baby.

[Matt Rogers]

That finally, finally getting the flowers it deserves for being an important foundational text for comedy, for film, for so many things.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you know, actually the Last Showgirl, which when you see it, you'll know what I mean. The Last Showgirl. By the way, it's directed by Gia Coppola, Francis Ford Coppola's granddaughter. The Last Showgirl, I was saying to Patrick Rogers, who I saw it with, the Last Showgirl was like a Sean Baker movie entirely through like a female gaze. And it was just an interesting thing to see in quick succession. But I don't even really know what my point is about that. But it's just Scary Movie three. Scary Movie three. Yes. One starring Pam Anderson and one starring Simon Rex. Yeah. And hopefully we'll see Anna Faris.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

By the way, heart goes out to her. She. She lost her home.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, I just think we are ready for the Anna Faris. Like Assange.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I've been ready. I have been so ready that I don't think there's. I think there's few people that are that big of a spot.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you know, to be totally on the nose. I like watched Lost in Translation again on my way to Japan.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, God, she's so great in it.

[Matt Rogers]

She's so good.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. You watched Lost in Translation on the way to Japan?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was Like, I have it on. I was like, I have it downloaded on my iPad. I was like, it's been a while.

[Bowen Yang]

That is so funny.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, my interesting thing that I would love to ask Sofia Coppol about is you can tell that that entire movie, it's like, it is a platonic thing, and then it becomes a little bit romantic at the end. For anyone who hasn't seen Lost in Translation, I'm sorry to spoil, but it's like, I wonder if that was the thing that Sofia kind of got pressured into doing or if that was an artistic choice.

[Bowen Yang]

I also wonder if it was an improvised choice.

[Matt Rogers]

But they, like, they kiss at the end, do they?

[Bowen Yang]

I haven't seen it in a while.

[Matt Rogers]

It's, like, very, like. It's not like a gross kiss, but it's just, like. It's a kiss and it's, like, romantic. And maybe it isn't. Maybe it is a platonic kiss, because those exist. But, like, anyway, I don't know. I just, like. I just think that movie is so great when. When it's just purely through the lens of, like, these are two lost people who find each other, and their company is all they need. And it doesn't have to be sexual or romantic or anything. Anything. Anyway, I remember that that was Scarlett Johansson's moment, stepping into, like, an A list, because she was.

[Bowen Yang]

I remember she got, like, two Golden Globe nominations, which, by the way, congrats to Sebastian Stan, who finally got his flowers. And thank God, because I'm proud of him and he's working hard, and he's just.

[Matt Rogers]

What a guy.

[Bowen Yang]

He's just our fave. I was really, really, really happy for him that he got something because again, and what he said is true. He's like. When his speech, he was like, we can't be afraid of this type of. We can't be afraid to make art and talk about art, because that's, like, a bad sign. We're in bad dire straits if we start to be like, well, you can't say this, can't say that. I mean, already you see the normalizing, Ms. Underwood. Oh, like, it's just interesting. It's just kind of really interesting. Just think about it. I'm smoking a huge cigarette that's eight feet long. Do you have anything else to say about the substance other than it is the best movie of all time?

[Matt Rogers]

It's one of my favorites. It really is one of my favorites.

[Bowen Yang]

And it's so gross, you guys.

[Matt Rogers]

It's disgusting, which is the whole point, but am I crazy? Obviously, there's so many visual references to the Shining.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I don't think you're crazy at all. In fact, I didn't pick up on them until you were pointing them out throughout the film.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, the pattern on the carpet, the bat. Like, her coming in that bathroom literally looking like the old woman.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, the prosthetics in this. First of all, hair and makeup. Oscar.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, please.

[Bowen Yang]

There's no question. I think, honestly. Sound.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, the set. The sound, please. This has to be a dramatic nomination.

[Bowen Yang]

To end the script and both of them. Like, it's crazy to me. And tell me if you feel the same. To watch that movie and be like, this is an Oscar contender is exciting. So. And insane.

[Matt Rogers]

Because I was talking to Seth about this. It's like, I love that it's not an Oscar bait movie.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, no, that's the thing, too, I love is that not one person involved picked that script up and said, you know, this is gonna get me an Oscar.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

And again, rubric. Could anyone else have done it better? There's something very special about Demi, in particular, taking it on. And let's just speak about her for one second. And I told you, when this sequence started, which was her going back to the mirror, there's a sequence where she, in the middle of the substance process, has second thoughts, and she is preparing for a date with this guy that she meets. And she just keeps going back to the mirror because she's so insecure and hates herself so much. The specific rage and hatred with which she looks at herself in the mirror and the. The really quiet performance because she's not in dialogue with anyone.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

But she carries this whole thing like you don't emotionally miss a second of it.

[Matt Rogers]

It's purely about the interiority of this hatred that you have with your.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. That you're just like. And also, even just the way, like, Demi's very long, dark hair, like, there's something, like, really specific and dark about every frame of the movie. And she's the perfect center for it because of her lived experience. Yes. That she brings in her acting, but also just, like, it just feels like this was the role she was born to play. And the experiences that she's had uniquely prepare her to take on this role. And then the casting of Margaret Qualley, too, is like, you'd fully believe that's her younger double. You believe that they occupy that same thing. And it's just great. That's a great triumph all the way around. And the directing and the specificity of the shots.

[Matt Rogers]

So I'm saying, like, all these shining references. You could not have asked for a better modernization of Dorian Gray. It even ups the ante of that with the final act of the film. It's like, oh, well, that is the most perfect choice to have the story go there and then just show it on film. Yeah, I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

I love that movie thematically, too. So interesting. Like, the substance really speaks to, like, this new revival of Sunset Boulevard, which. And then I. Seeing Last Showgirl, it speaks to that.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, just a lot of you. You brought up Baby Jane. It's like, oh, it's. It's all of these things.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. And also, I think people might balk at the fact that it was like. And also, there's, like, tons of reasons to balk whenever, like, the Golden Globes or however the categorization goes in terms of the award stuff. Like, you know, are these actual supporting actors? Like, is this really a comedy, et cetera? This is an amazing comedy.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a great comedy.

[Bowen Yang]

It is a total satire on exactly where we're at in the culture right now in the way that. And that's another thing, too, is it's like. I'm sure it helps to be a woman of a certain age to really understand this, but we all know what it's like to look at ourselves and hate.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Oh, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, what we see or like. Because that's another thing to me, talks a lot about in press that she does for the movie is it's like so much of what rang true to her was the violence that we do to ourselves. It's less about the messaging from the media and stuff and more about how we do believe and act on those things.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And that is. I think what I recognized is, like.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it is society to some extent, but it's not. It's. You would be irresponsible to say that. It's just that.

[Bowen Yang]

No, it's like a red flag from society. But then, like, you have to take ownership over what you are doing and being like, okay, this is good for me. This is bad for me. I can tell the difference. But sometimes you just fall too far. It's. It's sad. I mean, even the last sequence of the movie is incredible, incredibly over the top. It's heartbreaking.

[Matt Rogers]

I know.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, there's specifically one moment where there's, like, a little bit of dialogue from the character, and it's sad. It's heartbreaking. And then the last image of the movie is deeply heartbreaking.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

But also so funny and genius.

[Matt Rogers]

It's so funny. Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

We said, we said Oscar Award, Academy Award. Speaking of words, how are we going to get Salt Lake City this season in Emmy?

[Matt Rogers]

It needs.

[Bowen Yang]

How are we going to do body? Yeah. It needs something of high.

[Matt Rogers]

Nobel.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Nobel Culture Award. The way that you can expect to see the Housewives of Salt Lake City back at the Culture Awards. This is, this is the part when I say my feelings.

[Matt Rogers]

Two seasons in a row of tens, tens, tens, tens, tens in television. The.

[Bowen Yang]

Brooke Ashley was emotional in her recap.

[Matt Rogers]

I need to watch Brooke Ashley.

[Bowen Yang]

Did you watch her recap yet?

[Matt Rogers]

I didn't know. But you know, we love Brooke Ashley.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all, Meredith Marks for saying lies and spreading lies. Hey, no. You disgust me. I can't believe I have you in my home. My home.

[Matt Rogers]

My home.

[Bowen Yang]

Mary. Get her married.

[Matt Rogers]

Get her married.

[Bowen Yang]

We haven't. It's been several weeks, so we haven't been able to really impart. If you're. If you're still not watching the House on the Salt Lake City, you're not doing life right.

[Matt Rogers]

You're not doing life. The way I'm encouraging Matt to let go of this self identification is not being a horror fan. If you're not a Bravo person, if you've identified as. I'm not a Bravo person, you have permission to let that go. You are missing out on something truly special.

[Bowen Yang]

Can I just say, I would say Bo. I would say I think that again, like the way that they operate as a cast. Also, like put some respect on Britney's name.

[Matt Rogers]

She really is that crazy, man. I mean, I was sending a video, you guys.

[Bowen Yang]

I just love these safe places. Replacement of all of her anger and grief. You guys, this is ridiculous. She's a singer I've never taped in my life. I'm in sh. I'm in shock. I mean, she must return.

[Matt Rogers]

She must return. She. She has earned her keep. Absolutely.

[Bowen Yang]

Meanwhile, how bored were we last night watching Potomac?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, geez. It is. It's had started off strong and now it's just boring and can we say sad and tragic. We wish Karen Huger the best, but something is not timing out correctly. If she has allegedly been in rehab for weeks, but also was seen at Kathy Hilton's holiday party and she's missing the reunion. Anyway, we're getting into brass. We're getting into brass.

[Bowen Yang]

We just wish Karen the best and because clearly there's not everything is right there. And so honestly. Well, if you're a fan of the Housewives universe, like, and you're in it you know that you probably saw the video of like her arrest after drunk driving, which was not the first time. And I just, I don't really understand thinking you could plead not guilty based on what was became readily available to the public. But again, that just makes me feel like clearly there's someone that really needs a lot of help. And if she's getting the help regardless of the situation, then that is good.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. And our commentary does not matter in that regard.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, is this the script for Challengers?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Gag.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, so you're up to date on your WGA dues. You are paid mine.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, girl, and expect the.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, this would be a fabulous to read.

[Matt Rogers]

You want to read. You want to borrow.

[Bowen Yang]

You actually do.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Have you already read it or you're not going to?

[Matt Rogers]

I have not read it, but it's been sitting there too long. You know what? You know what I mean? Like, you take it.

[Bowen Yang]

By the way, not enough challengers in the Oscar discourse.

[Matt Rogers]

Seth Meyers. And I'm just, I'm just kind of parroting what Seth Meyers just said to me. Hours.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, we love him very much. And he actually, I love that he will be winning another.

[Matt Rogers]

He will be winning another culture award.

[Bowen Yang]

He just said it.

[Matt Rogers]

He was saying, Josh O'Connor, where's all the love for him?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, now he's just gay baiting.

[Matt Rogers]

He's queer baiting.

[Bowen Yang]

How dare he? And if you know what, I'm retracting everything. Seth Meyers, how dare you do this. You can't be all these things and then be like, look Bowen Yang in the eye and say, can't believe Josh O'Connor's not getting love. Like, how dare you? You're trying.

[Matt Rogers]

It's working.

[Bowen Yang]

And if you don't think we see.

[Matt Rogers]

It'S working on me and you.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, please. When I go to that show, I'm.

[Matt Rogers]

Just like, he's the best.

[Bowen Yang]

He is the best. And effortless. And can I say, when you go on that show, you get like a special card before you even.

[Matt Rogers]

So it's like penmanship.

[Bowen Yang]

That's exactly why I brought it up. The man's penmanship is a late night host penmanship.

[Matt Rogers]

A masculine yet classy, stylish, stylish thriller. Thriller.

[Bowen Yang]

His penmanship is a stylish thriller.

[Matt Rogers]

Stylish.

[Bowen Yang]

That's actually roller Coaster number 88. Seth Myers Penmanship is a stylish thriller.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, that man has letters that are being kept in a book.

[Bowen Yang]

I hope they're published one day.

[Matt Rogers]

I hope they publish letters to Alexis.

[Bowen Yang]

God, you know I just hope his children. I hope that his letters are published. And one more. One more chic thing could you say about someone then that one day you hope their letters are published?

[Matt Rogers]

He was wearing a suit.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm sure he was.

[Matt Rogers]

And the entire room was like, oh, my God. We're so not used to him being in a suit anymore. But, God, he. A man has. A man has never looked better in a suit.

[Bowen Yang]

No. It's actually a shame for the world that he doesn't wear the suit every day. But you know what, though? He also can rock a crew neck sweater.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not fair. I'm saying it's not fair for us as crewneck sweater wearers, we can't compete, but it's also not fair for us as an audience because we don't see him. We want to toggle back and forth. When he's wearing the suit, we want to see him in the sweater. When he's wearing the sweater, we want to see him in the suit.

[Bowen Yang]

And it all comes down to the truth, which is we just want to see Seth Meyers period.

[Matt Rogers]

Bars.

[Bowen Yang]

Bars. So was it just you and him today doing a photo shoot?

[Matt Rogers]

No, it was.

[Bowen Yang]

Was it? Many members of the Way Snow community.

[Matt Rogers]

The great Seth Meyers, the great Kate McKinnon, the great Leslie Jones, the great Kenan Thompson, and the great Molly Shannon.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

It was a fun, fun little group. Fun group.

[Bowen Yang]

Nice collection.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

How's Molly?

[Matt Rogers]

Molly's so. Oh, she was asking about you, Molly. We were comparing notes about Japan, our Japan trips. She went with her family. She went a few years ago, but it's her favorite place. And the thing I have trouble with is just remembering names in Japan especially. And she was just able to just rattle them off the top of her head. And that is a woman who knows. So cute. She goes, you know the hotels I booked Booking dot com, like, she was.

[Bowen Yang]

Just booking dot com.

[Matt Rogers]

I went on there, she said, oh, how's mad?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, how is he? So good.

[Matt Rogers]

So good.

[Bowen Yang]

I literally. She is so classic.

[Matt Rogers]

How was your mother? It's good that you and your mother are close.

[Bowen Yang]

It's really good. It's great that you guys are close. It really is.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, really? Isn't that funny?

[Bowen Yang]

Isn't that funny? I said to him, I was like, I think that's so funny.

[Matt Rogers]

That's so funny.

[Bowen Yang]

Wait, I. Oh, my God. I'll text her.

[Matt Rogers]

Seth looks so good in his suit.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm gonna text her.

[Keke Palmer]

Your boyfriend took our money in. Dicks.

[Unknown]

From producer Issa Rae.

[Keke Palmer]

How we Gonna make $1,500 by 6. You bought this?

[Unknown]

Okay, this Thursday.

[Matt Rogers]

You want to look now?

[Bowen Yang]

Don't do it.

[Keke Palmer]

I've never seen a credit score this low. What if we combine our scores?

[Unknown]

Kiki Palmer is having one of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

First the rent and then our Lomo's trying to kill us.

[Unknown]

Sza is having one of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

He showing cheat and steal on the same day.

[Bowen Yang]

Alyssa run.

[Unknown]

One of them days. Directed by Lawrence Lamont. Exclusively in theaters this Thursday. Rated R. Under 17. 90 minute without parent.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back in the host chair at the Daily show, which means he's also back in our ears on the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. The Daily show podcast has everything you need to stay on top of today's news and pop culture. You get hilarious satirical takes on entertainment, politics, sports and more from John and the team of correspondents and contributors. The podcast also has content you can't get anywhere else, like extended interviews and a roundup of the weekly headlines. Listen to the Daily Show Ears edition on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Jason Alexander]

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[Peter Tilden]

And I'm Peter Tilden. And together on the really Know really.

[Jason Alexander]

Podcast, our mission is to get the true answers to life's baffling questions, like.

[Peter Tilden]

Why they refuse to make the bathroom door go all the way to the floor.

[Jason Alexander]

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[Peter Tilden]

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[Jason Alexander]

Mr. Bryan Cranston is with us.

[Matt Rogers]

How are you?

[Bowen Yang]

Hello.

[Peter Tilden]

My friend Wayne Knight about Jurassic Park.

[Jason Alexander]

Wayne Knight, welcome to really? Not really, sir.

[Matt Rogers]

Bless you all.

[Peter Tilden]

Hello, Newman. And you never know when Howie Mandel might just stop by to talk about. About judging.

[Jason Alexander]

Really?

[Bowen Yang]

That's the opening.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Peter Tilden]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? Yeah, really?

[Matt Rogers]

No. Really.

[Peter Tilden]

Go to reallynoreally.com and register to win 500. A guest spot on our podcast or a limited edition sign. Jason Bobblehead.

[Jason Alexander]

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[Bowen Yang]

Not a single word more without you telling us about your Japan trip. Jesus Christ. See, there were so many other things. And this is truly a comment on the speed of culture moving by us at such a pace. Yes, please talk about your Trip.

[Matt Rogers]

I'll keep it short.

[Bowen Yang]

No, tell them everything you need to know. Because you were having such a fabulous time.

[Matt Rogers]

So happy was from the moment I got onto the Pokemon themed plane.

[Bowen Yang]

Matt let that.

[Matt Rogers]

It burst open the seal on my. My whole life has led up to that trip.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not really the kind of person that's like, oh my God, let me take a picture of the little accoutrements on the plane. But I was like, you were taking a photo of every knickknack. That flight looked so cute and gorgeous.

[Matt Rogers]

It was a cute, gorgeous flight. Some of the best food, period.

[Bowen Yang]

Kawaii.

[Matt Rogers]

Kawaii.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you think? Kawaii means super cool. Super cute.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

It means super cute in Japanese. I listen to love agent music.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you know, you go to Japan.

[Bowen Yang]

You were saying this, you were saying.

[Matt Rogers]

This, you go to Japan. And I'm like, I get why Gwen did that. How could you not be obsessed with this?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. She was inspired.

[Matt Rogers]

You walk through Harajuku and you're like.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm doing an album.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm doing an album about this.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm doing a big pop record about this.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, that song is a plus. Oh my God. I just.

[Bowen Yang]

So what were the highlights?

[Matt Rogers]

The highlights? I mean, it's tough to cut it together. Sean Baker, I am not. I cannot edit this down, but it is it. It was literally like the moment I got there, I get a text from Eric Nam. Wonderful, wonderful artist person. He's just like, oh my God, you're in Tokyo. Like Atsuko Okatsuka, the legend, former Lost Culture guest is here.

[Bowen Yang]

Love, love.

[Matt Rogers]

Atsuko and Ronny Cheng are here. We're doing karaoke tonight. Come meet us.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh my God.

[Matt Rogers]

We go to Shinjuku. Me and my friend Jake, who's there. Shout out to Jake if you're in Williamsburg, if you need a nice short men's haircut. The guy's booked, he's busy. But Kiju, check out his salon. Hands down, the best vibe in Williamsburg of any place. Did karaoke with them.

[Bowen Yang]

That's so fun.

[Matt Rogers]

A little 11 year old boy. Was that Ronny Cheng's 11 year old nephew was there. This boy who freaked out when he saw Eric Nam. Cause he loves K pop. He loves Eric Nam. Freaked out. We all sang. There was a full backline. Monica, shout out to Monica. Our friend Monica took us to a pro wrestling match. Not a sumo match, a pro wrestling match in the Tokyo Dome, which is also where Taylor Swift performed the Eras tour. And the entire time I was thinking Taylor was Just there, Just there. I mean all of it. Just going to, just seeing the sights, the shopping. Oh, Joshua at the Orly store. We got a beautiful experience there. I mean the food, it's like France. It's like they hold in highest regard their culture, like in terms of like the film and the television. Like think about like just think about like Japanese film and like, like the caliber of that. The food, the hospitality, the fashion. It's all very French. It's like they're, they're like the French in that they like really care about this shit and making sure it's delightful. And we have to go. We have to go. We're going for my birthday period and we're going. And you know what? And I was sad about that. I canceled my last minute disneysea trip. Cause there just wasn't enough time and it was just stressful. It was like the busiest domestic travel time in Japan. It's New Year's week because everyone has work off. But I was like, no, this is better because the first time I go to disneysea and Disneyland and Universal Studios Osaka will be with my sister.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's block out like a lot of time. Yeah. I was gonna say in the beginning.

[Matt Rogers]

Of November or end of October. I don't need to do Halloween in the States, girl.

[Bowen Yang]

Who does? Ooh, none of you do.

[Matt Rogers]

None of you do. Think about it.

[Bowen Yang]

When they keep saying Christmas gets longer, I said, yeah, I hope it eats Halloween right up. That way I can get started earlier.

[Matt Rogers]

Make more coin, make even more coin.

[Bowen Yang]

Than I ever have. I'm coming for you.

[Matt Rogers]

Coming.

[Bowen Yang]

September, the month of August slipped away like a bottle of wine Because I'm drinking it. The Prince of Christmas.

[Matt Rogers]

Bitch. We haven't reflected. We have reflected on, on post Prince of Christmas tour, haven't we actually?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, first I want to say it was the best it ever was. And I know I said this at the end and I was really looking forward at the end. It was kind of. It wasn't even bittersweet to end it because I was like, we fucking nailed it. I'm so in love with my band and those boys, Henry, Ethan, Jordan and Derek. Love them. We had the best time and I'm already booking for next year.

[Matt Rogers]

Here we go.

[Bowen Yang]

Truly, I will figure out ways to make it even better next year.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. It's hard to top.

[Bowen Yang]

Hard to top. Like me in my late 20s. Yeah, I mean that's true. But anyway, like, okay, speaking of, it wasn't hard to taught me at all in Miami. Even after my accident. I haven't talked about this on the.

[Matt Rogers]

Pod you were throwing neck after the accident, babe.

[Bowen Yang]

So I finished the tour. I go home for a few days to Long island to be with the folks.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And then I go to Miami thinking, actually, like, we've planned it enough where it can be like kind of a low key Miami trip. Get there, no one realized it was gay circuit week. So I go that night to a party. I'm not gonna say where. I'm not gonna say what party because I don't want to cause any trouble.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, oh, oh. You're just.

[Bowen Yang]

There were wet stairs. I absolutely bit it. Shit on some stairs. Landed on my tailbone. I know secondhand, you guys are probably wincing and in pain hearing me talk about this. Yeah, it was bad. Bruised tailbone. At the very least, it honestly may be broken. No. Because it's actually been two weeks now. Yeah, Matt, two weeks now. Almost to the day. Yeah, almost. No, yesterday was two weeks when it happened. And it's still. Actually, I worked out for the very first time today at Barry's just to see what I was capable of. Can't do abs or anything where you use like that part of your body as like a fulcrum because it's. It's still very painful.

[Matt Rogers]

And can I ask you, did not see a professional?

[Bowen Yang]

Not yet.

[Matt Rogers]

Because that's what Michael Fisher was asking me this morning. He was like, but did Matt. Has Matt gone to see someone? I was like, I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

So it is getting better. It is getting better. But the thing is with a tailbone thing and I. First of all, I know, I love you readers and medical professionals that are going to reach out. I really am okay. It's just discomfort. Like, there's nothing you can really do for a tailbone bruise or even break. You kind of just have to wait it out. And I'm okay. It's just uncomfortable to sit or lay down on your back, which is like.

[Matt Rogers]

Kind of your favorite activity.

[Bowen Yang]

Really my favorite stuff to do after I've like completed the tour and New Year's. I got back and I was just like, oh, God. And so it's been a very uncomfortable couple weeks. But I will say it did not stop me from getting it in.

[Matt Rogers]

That's amazing. I'm so happy for you.

[Bowen Yang]

I am too.

[Matt Rogers]

When there's a will.

[Bowen Yang]

And there was a big will and.

[Matt Rogers]

There was a big, big wh.

[Bowen Yang]

I was. I'm in like another horny era.

[Matt Rogers]

Great.

[Bowen Yang]

Are you maybe expand.

[Matt Rogers]

Like it's been presented. Oh. Like opportunities have presented Themselves in New York. Sure, sure. And I'm like, yeah, you could take.

[Bowen Yang]

It or leave it.

[Matt Rogers]

I could take it or leave it. I shouldn't take it.

[Bowen Yang]

That's actually powerful.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I wish I was more enthusiastic about it.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm like, that.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's the holidays, you know, I'm like, oh, I. I feel like I can, like, I mean, this is such toxic thinking, but I'm like, give me another month to, like, get myself right. Just in terms of, like, I'm so. I'm still bouncing back from the holidays and this trip, honestly, where I'm like, let me actually not be a dog.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

100%. No, I. Because you were just doing a lot of scheduled stuff. Easy. I honestly feel like the second dating becomes like, you know, a bunch of activities or like, things on the schedule.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, pull it back, let's pull it back.

[Bowen Yang]

Who even knows where they're at?

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know where I'm at. I thought I was last year. All throughout the year, I was like, oh, I really want a boyfriend again. I want a boyfriend again. And now I'm like, maybe you don't. Like, maybe that was just something you were telling yourself.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, well, you know, I'm. I'm still in husband search.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. But if he shows up, I would love that.

[Matt Rogers]

But you can't just marry anybody.

[Bowen Yang]

You can't.

[Matt Rogers]

That's.

[Bowen Yang]

That's what I think you can. But we. I think I had a dream the other night that I got married.

[Matt Rogers]

Really?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. I had like a dream that I got full on married.

[Matt Rogers]

Was it amazing or was it like, whoa.

[Bowen Yang]

No. The whole time I was like, wait, what? What did I do?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

To a woman, maybe.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's fine.

[Bowen Yang]

Definitely recently. This is now coming. Coming to my mind. There was definitely a dream recently where I got married to a woman.

[Matt Rogers]

That's amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. And it was like a whole thing of like, well, how are we going to make this work?

[Matt Rogers]

You'll make it work, I guess.

[Bowen Yang]

All right. Is there anything else before we get into. I mean, literally, there are other things.

[Matt Rogers]

So many things, but Traitors.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, Loving the traders this year. I will say this. I did not. So we had heard a false spoiler.

[Matt Rogers]

We heard a false spoiler. And I think it was falsely relayed by the person.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's just say.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's just say it.

[Bowen Yang]

We had heard a false spoiler at.

[Matt Rogers]

The Culture Awards that.

[Bowen Yang]

And we won't say who relayed the message, but we had heard a false spoiler that Bob the Drag Queen was out first.

[Matt Rogers]

That is definitely not true.

[Bowen Yang]

And that is certainly not true. And not even out, first of all. Okay. Spoiler alert for the traitors. Bob the Drag Queen is one of the traitors.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And I love it as a choice.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know Danielle from Big Brother too much. We obviously know a lot about Carolyn, of course, and obviously Rob Mariano. Boston Rob is a full reality television legend. I think the cast actually is better overall this year than last year.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, sure.

[Bowen Yang]

Because it feels like they're playing the game and less like on a reality show.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah. Yes. You know, I think there is what a fun opportunity for a course correction in terms of, like, a collective. Like, this cast is decided. Maybe they were given a note or something, but, like, really play the game this time and don't necessarily worry about, like, the drama. Right. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And I think that that is to this season's benefit.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Who are you rooting for?

[Matt Rogers]

Rooting for Bob. We love Bob.

[Bowen Yang]

So you're rooting for the traitors?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm ready for the Traders because I love Carolyn so much, and I think Carolyn is playing it right.

[Bowen Yang]

Carolyn is doing it right. Danielle and Bob, I mean, they're both doing too much.

[Matt Rogers]

They're. They're doing too much, but we still root for them. Who else? Chrishell. We love seeing Chris Shell on tv.

[Bowen Yang]

I want Chris Shell to win the show.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, so that's who you're rooting for. You're. You're rooting for the Face, my pal.

[Bowen Yang]

So I'm rooting for her.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And of course, Dolores Catania, my number one.

[Matt Rogers]

Your number one. And I love Dolores here as well.

[Bowen Yang]

Dolores.

[Matt Rogers]

I just. I just want to put out there that based on this them video that Matt and I did, it made it seem like I was anti Dolores.

[Bowen Yang]

No, no, I think you were just.

[Matt Rogers]

I was just surprised that your number one housewife was Dolores. And I said Dolores, and then maybe that made her think that or people think that I don't like her.

[Bowen Yang]

I think you were surprised to hear me say that Dolores Catania was my favorite housewife of all time, which I can understand because I don't think I'm, like, always spouting Dolores because. And I think it's precisely why she's my number one is because she feel very at home when she's on television. She reminds me of all my mom's friends.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's so beautiful. But how. What about this statement, Meredith Marks? Because I think especially after last week on Salt Lake, one of the best Housewives of Enough. There's no question she's had enough seasons under her belt. Now five, where she's done consistently great work. Where I go, she is one of the.

[Bowen Yang]

She's done iconic things in every season.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

She's done iconic things in every season. And again, we say this with equal love for Friend of the Pod, Angie.

[Matt Rogers]

Katsanevis and Heather Gay and Whitney Rose.

[Bowen Yang]

And I just.

[Matt Rogers]

I love these women.

[Bowen Yang]

These women.

[Matt Rogers]

I will miss these women so much.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not over yet, but I'm counting it.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like, we've got the finale this week, and then we've got, you know, three reunions, I heard.

[Bowen Yang]

But here's the thing. I heard we have a phenomenal finale and a really, really Andy said, stellar reunion.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it.

[Bowen Yang]

And they looked good.

[Matt Rogers]

They looked great. I love the pink and the red. I do hope Miami comes back with a force. I need them. See, I need to have this. It's the sphere of empty. I need to have that empty filled up once they. When Salt Lake leaves. But Meredith Marks absolutely is making the. Is. Is just on the. On the Mount Rushmore.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, certainly.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, Meredith is, like, from episode one or two of. I'm disengaging. Like, the hits keep coming.

[Bowen Yang]

I think next Ultimate Girls trip, we do need to have Lisa and Meredith go.

[Matt Rogers]

We need Meredith like, Meredith there.

[Bowen Yang]

And also, Lisa has earned it, too. Like, of course. First of all, you know what I noticed about Lisa Barlow? The character game that she plays, like, is so strong. She every single time, she gives you exactly what you. If you were to logically sit down and be like, what's Lisa Barlow gonna do? She does it every single time. And it's always satisfying.

[Matt Rogers]

It just feels so deceived, literally.

[Bowen Yang]

So to see the first scene of this is her sitting down to text everyone. I'm really thinking about last night and how I was wronged. Like, not taking accountability over anything. Not. Not that in that situation, she particularly needed to. But, like, she goes, I know we're going to talk about it on the way to atv. And then she explains she chose ATV because she Googled luxury activities. All that mattered to her was that it was a luxury activity, not that it made sense for them.

[Matt Rogers]

I said, that's housewifery.

[Bowen Yang]

And at the same time, to have a diet of trash.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, this is just. It's.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a great TV character.

[Bowen Yang]

Wouldn't write a better person.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle.

[Matt Rogers]

Unless her name was Elizabeth Sparkle. Unless. I thought you were gonna Say, unless her name was Elizabeth. What's her face from Anatomy of Life. Elizabeth Finch. Elizabeth Finch.

[Bowen Yang]

She, too. You couldn't write Peacock.

[Matt Rogers]

Give it up for Peacock.

[Bowen Yang]

Do you want to know what else I watch? This is not on Peacock, But I watched. You might love this, actually. Jerry Springer.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I started it.

[Bowen Yang]

There's a. Two. Two episodes.

[Matt Rogers]

That guy. Not. Not Jerry, but that producer who came in.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, that actually has major implications on the culture, of course. Like, it made trash populist. You know what I mean? Or it revealed the appetite that people would have for tabloidy, sensational types of stuff.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, and it's like Roman Coliseum.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It's, like, primal. It's this thing that, like, human beings will respond to.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. That ultimately opens the door to Trump.

[Matt Rogers]

And it all started with that KKK episode.

[Bowen Yang]

Insane. And also, I actually didn't know that one of the episodes led to a horrific murder.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Bowen Yang]

And keep watching it, because by the end of the second episode, you're, like, sad. But I do think there's something about that show that is, like, important and speaks to the culture and why we're at where we're at.

[Matt Rogers]

I always viewed Springer as, like. I mean, obviously, it's like a distressing, troublesome. I'll say the word, even though I'm slightly rolling my eyes, like, problematic show.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

But I was always comforted Jerry Springer knew how to, like, ring it in at the end and be like, this was the message of this episode. And take care of yourselves and each.

[Bowen Yang]

Other and each other. That way to smooth it over at the end.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, it's. But it's an important, alleviating thing that he understood he had to do at the end of each of it. And that was his catchphrase when he was a news anchor. Did not realize he was a professor. Right. He was like a professor.

[Bowen Yang]

He's a fascinating professor. He was.

[Matt Rogers]

He ran for office.

[Bowen Yang]

He was a mayor. He was the mayor of.

[Matt Rogers]

Of. Oh, my God. Yeah. Of that. Of that town.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. Anyway, I don't know either, but he was like. He had a very interesting background.

[Matt Rogers]

And then Cincinnati, I think.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. Or something like that. But then he became a host of a daytime show. And it's funny because I don't know if you've gotten to this point, but they show, like, the first or second episode of his show. Of his show. And it was literally like, so mop. It was like what everyone else was.

[Matt Rogers]

Doing, like Phil Donahue, and they were.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, literally, like number 18 of 19 shows in daytime. And they were like, okay, we need to drastically change this. Let's try this other flavor of programming. And then obviously, the rest, history. But fascinating.

[Matt Rogers]

But Springer was, like, a huge part of my day when I would, like, when I would like. Because we didn't have cable, as I say. And so huge part of my day growing up when I would, like, stay homesick.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Because they would just play it back to back.

[Bowen Yang]

And your parents didn't come in and were like, turn this off.

[Matt Rogers]

By the time they got home, it was just me. It was me at home or my sister. But, like, you know, we wouldn't be sick at the same time, but I would just, like, be sitting at home in the summers especially. I would just, like, be at home watching Springer. And then it would go from Springer to Bob Ross. Like, what a fucking whiplash.

[Bowen Yang]

I could never get anything past my parents. Like, it was. And then randomly, they gave me a TV in my room in high school, and I was like, okay, this is a wild swing left. Because I was just watching, like, remember when E. You don't remember because you don't have cable, but E. Would show Howard Stern.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, sure.

[Bowen Yang]

This is like the era of Anna Nicole Smith and, like, Howard Stern, like, being on E. And so I watched so much garbage and trash, like, at the time, how I filed it away in my brain. Now I love Howard Stern because he's rebranded. But it was just so funny that I was a sheltered person in terms, like, they would never, ever allow me to watch South Park.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, sure, sure.

[Bowen Yang]

To the point where I started to be afraid of the show.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh. Like, I had, like.

[Bowen Yang]

It was like a trauma. It was like a trigger. Whenever it was on, my cousins would watch it and I'd be like, I can't watch this.

[Matt Rogers]

Were you. Were you ever. Have you ever been a South park guy?

[Bowen Yang]

I should honestly get into it now.

[Matt Rogers]

It's pretty.

[Bowen Yang]

Because I love the movie and I love Trey Parker and Matt Stone.

[Matt Rogers]

I know the movie is amazing. And also there are some episodes of south park that are like, yeah, just pure brilliant comedy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. But at the time, because it was like, you know, the things that they said and Kenny dying of it all. My parents were just like, no, you can't watch that.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you ever watch the episode where they have the counter at the bottom of the screen for how many times they say, fuck?

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

That's an amazing episode because it just. It goes somewhere brilliant. Did you ever watch the Vagisil episode?

[Bowen Yang]

No, I've not seen any of it.

[Matt Rogers]

Where Cartman. Cartman becomes like, a Better runner. No, he becomes a better Cartman.

[Bowen Yang]

Big for you.

[Matt Rogers]

This is south park for me was. I was in the third grade in Canada and me and my friends, I mean somehow these like I was able to watch south episodes of south park at home. My parents were like, what is this? Oh, whatever. Like they couldn't totally understand why it was vulgar. Right? Like a dialogue. There were vulgar things. But then my friends and I in the third grade, like these like French Canadian middle class, working class kids, like, I guess their parents loved south park too or something and they would watch south park at home. And then we just all thought we were the south park kids because we were like in a cold town.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like bundled.

[Bowen Yang]

There is like a weird one to one there.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. There was like this like fat kid and he, he was like, I'm Cartman. And then we, we all loved it so much. And then when I had to move, when I told everyone I was moving to Colorado, they were like, oh my God, you're going to be going to South Park. And it was this huge.

[Bowen Yang]

And so we're going down to South Park.

[Matt Rogers]

So then going to Colorado with South park on the brain. It was just like the only thing that like the move to Colorado was so complicated by like JonBenet Ramsey and Columbine and then. But then south park was this other like contour to it where it's like. But at least it's like, it's. It's where all these weird things happen. And that is true. Like, Colorado is a weird place. Like it has all of like the bizarre shit that would go down in Florida, but with like this like hippie dippy counterweight to it. I fucking love south park so much. And we need to watch some classic episodes and the movie, one of Sondheim's favorite musicals.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? He said that?

[Matt Rogers]

I feel like we talked about this on the podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

I probably know that somewhere on the.

[Matt Rogers]

Record he's like, that is one of the best musicals, one of the best movie musicals ever.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I'll never forget. I, I actually did. Well, I have seen that movie many times because I, I just, I don't know. For some reason I've seen the movie a bunch. Like, and I, I downloaded a lot of this. Like, shut your face uncle. Like, I, I used to listen to that all the time. But also blame Canada.

[Matt Rogers]

Blame Canada.

[Bowen Yang]

Robin Williams was the performance of that at the Oscars. I remember it being unforgettable.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's also because the, the actress who played Kyle's mom soon after the south park movie came out, took her own life.

[Bowen Yang]

Whoa.

[Matt Rogers]

There's a lot of, like, south park is really. I mean, God, it's still going. Like, it's such an important piece of culture. Literally. And like, it's so funny that we haven't talked about this before on the show.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's because it's a weird blind spot for me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

My parents, they weren't helicoptery, but they were just sensitive to, like, I couldn't watch MTV and I could not watch South Park. Hard. No.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And it literally, it weirdly made me fill those spaces in with other things.

[Matt Rogers]

That's interesting.

[Bowen Yang]

That I think does inform the.

[Matt Rogers]

My culture one, which was the MCH one. And then what's the stand in for South Park? You think like the Simpsons at least.

[Bowen Yang]

But I'm not even a Simpsons kid. Like, what was it? Honestly? I watched a lot of. Like, I watched a lot of Nickelodeon. Yeah, I watched a lot of Nickelodeon and Disney Channel.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, I was. It's interesting to see those things get relitigated because you're like, oh. Like, you're like, absolutely. This is crazy.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right, right.

[Bowen Yang]

It's interesting. Like children's programming at the time. And you know what I'll say about South Park? At least they weren't pretending to be for kids.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Bowen Yang]

Like a lot of this other shit that was like explicitly marketed to kids and was all fucked up and really endangering the people. The kids that were performing that stuff, like, at least that weren't like, it wasn't like nefarious. Like south park was what it was.

[Matt Rogers]

It was.

[Bowen Yang]

It never pretended to not be.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally. I know there's like a. There's like a genius, There's a purity to that of intention. And to bring it back to Peacock. Great documentary on Peacock. Came out already. I thought it was new, but it already apparently came out a couple years ago called I Love youe, You Hate Me. About Barney.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

And about the culture of Barney bashing that I didn't really fully know about, but I remember growing up that like, oh, it was like, cool to hate Barney. It was like punk rock to.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, because it was so popular.

[Matt Rogers]

But not only that, but because it's the. One of the actors from Blue's Clues, they interview him and his theory is the reason there was such a crazy collective anger towards Barney was that it was targeted towards three year olds specifically. Right. And like the creator of Barney was this mother who wanted a show for her son. I didn't know that. And it came in the form of Barney because he was obsessed with dinosaurs. And I mean, Barney is pure. I love you. You can do anything. We love each. The messaging is so smooth brained and there's no nuance to it. And the guy who's in Blue's Clues was like, all great children's programming has broken people and broken characters in it. Like Sesame street, like Burton or like, especially Bert broke in person. Even Oscar the Grouch.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, there are these complex, emotional.

[Bowen Yang]

Cookie is a drug addict.

[Matt Rogers]

Cookie is a drug. Like. But not know, though. You know what I mean? Like, like children's programming, when it's done well and it's for the large age demographic, it is like these emotionally complex characters.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that's a really interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

And like, same with Big Bird is like, a little bit depressed.

[Bowen Yang]

It's like, yeah, he is depressed.

[Matt Rogers]

There are these, like, layers to it. Barney was clean up pure. Clean up pure. Like, everything is happy. And so that drives anyone outside of that age demo insane because they're like, that's not how the world is. And a lot of parents were jealous that their kids loved Barney more than them. So then it began. This entire culture around Barney and like, burning Barney effigies like, it's. It was a whole thing in the 90s.

[Bowen Yang]

Whoa.

[Matt Rogers]

This is a great documentary.

[Bowen Yang]

I have to watch.

[Matt Rogers]

You have to watch. I love.

[Bowen Yang]

We also have to do our own documentary on the Barney to Emilio Perez pipeline. Selena Gomez.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

That is Selena's autobiography.

[Matt Rogers]

And Demi. Demi Lovato was. Oh, no. Was it? Was it Demi Lovato?

[Bowen Yang]

It was Demi Lovato.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's really interesting that we're gonna. We actually are writing a film about.

[Matt Rogers]

The Barney to Amelia Perez.

[Bowen Yang]

About the Barney to Emilia Perez pipeline.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And how you get from one to the other. I do think Carlos, Sofia Gascon is incredible. Extremely versatile performance.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And demanding performance.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it. I think. I think she did a cover recently for a magazine where it was like, the movie has inspired a lot of love and hate, Carlos. Sofia Gascon thrives on both.

[Bowen Yang]

Ooh.

[Matt Rogers]

I was like, that's kind of chic.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. The takes have been very strong on that movie.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Keke Palmer]

Your boyfriend took our money in Dicks.

[Unknown]

From producer Issa Rae.

[Keke Palmer]

How we gonna make $1,500 by 6? You bought this?

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Unknown]

This Thursday.

[Matt Rogers]

You want a loan?

[Bowen Yang]

Don't do it.

[Keke Palmer]

I've never seen a credit score this low. What if we combine our scores?

[Unknown]

Kinky Palmer is having one of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

First the rent and then Alomo's trying to kill us.

[Unknown]

Sza is having One of them days.

[Keke Palmer]

He showing cheat and steal on the same day.

[Bowen Yang]

Alyssa, run.

[Matt Rogers]

Damn.

[Unknown]

One of them Days. Directed by Lawrence Lamont. Exclusively in theaters this Thursday. Rated R. Under 17. 90 minute without ferret.

[Jon Stewart]

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[Jason Alexander]

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[Peter Tilden]

And I'm Peter Tilden. And together on the really no really.

[Jason Alexander]

Podcast, our mission is to get the true answers to life's baffling questions, like.

[Peter Tilden]

Why they refuse to make the bathroom door go all the way to the floor.

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[Jason Alexander]

Mr. Bryan Cranston is with us.

[Matt Rogers]

How are you?

[Peter Tilden]

Hello, my friend Wayne Knight. About Jurassic Park.

[Jason Alexander]

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[Matt Rogers]

Bless you all.

[Peter Tilden]

Hello, Newman. And you never know when Howie Mandel might just stop by to talk about about judging.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? That's the opening? Really? No really? Yeah, really?

[Matt Rogers]

No really.

[Jason Alexander]

Go to reallynoreally.com and register to win.

[Peter Tilden]

500 a guest spot on our podcast or a limited edition sign Jason Bobblehead.

[Jason Alexander]

It's called really no really? And you can find it on the iHeartRadio app, on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Bowen Yang]

Shall we do out on the Tahani?

[Matt Rogers]

Let's do I don't think so, Honey.

[Bowen Yang]

Here we go. First I don't Think so Honey of the New year. But one thing that hasn't changed is what I don't think so Honey is it's a one minute segment where we take 60 seconds, which actually is a minute, if you think about it, even for more than one second, which is just 1/60 of a minute, where we rant and rave against something in pop Culture that we are not jamming on. And I actually. I think I want to put something to bed right here on the episode.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, here we go. This is Matt Rogers putting something to bed in his. I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. Any more jokes about holding space, we're done. It's a new year. We've turned the page, literally. Nikki Glaser tore up those Golden Globes. We're so proud of you. She did the last holding space joke.

[Matt Rogers]

You're not gonna beat her.

[Bowen Yang]

You can't beat that. You can't beat. Tonight, we celebrate movies and hold space for television. That is the last holding space joke. And now it's becoming a thing where it's like, people are like, we're holding space, and that's taking the space of a joke. Saying holding space is not a joke. So we need to really think about do we want to continue this narrative? The answer has to be no. All respect to everyone involved was a fun moment.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, so fun.

[Bowen Yang]

But holding space jokes are done. We are no longer holding space for them even. That was too much.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I know. Now you were just using it in a sentence.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I don't think so, honey. Any more humor about this, because it actually isn't jokes.

[Matt Rogers]

It's humor.

[Bowen Yang]

And I don't think so, honey. Humor over jokes. Hard jokes only. Go, Nikki.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. You put it to bed. Done. It's done. You lowered the casket because Nikki Glazer.

[Bowen Yang]

We'Re so proud of you.

[Matt Rogers]

We're so proud of you, girl.

[Bowen Yang]

Congrats on your gig. Ongoing. Because they will have you.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, you're coming back. Because that. That's how it works. Because best case scenario, if you kill at hosting an award show, they go do it again.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And that is kind of great, but also torture.

[Bowen Yang]

Shout out. Matt Whitaker wrote on the show. Just so great. And I have to say what my favorite bit of the whole thing was Popular.

[Matt Rogers]

And that was from the brain of Matt Whitaker.

[Bowen Yang]

I love popular. I love when it started. I love that the bit was, wait, this sucks. What do you mean, this sucks?

[Matt Rogers]

But she sounded good.

[Bowen Yang]

She rocks.

[Matt Rogers]

Nikki, you don't just see Taylor Swift 22 times.

[Bowen Yang]

Was it 22?

[Matt Rogers]

It was 22.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't just see Taylor that many times and don't have your shit together for your era's moment.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course. And I just love the way Nikki, let's say, justifies going to see the eras for 22 times. She's like, I Don't have a kid. I don't go to nice restaurants. I don't. I don't buy handbags or luxury clothes.

[Bowen Yang]

I go to errands.

[Matt Rogers]

I go. This is how I choose to spend my money.

[Bowen Yang]

I went six times off.

[Matt Rogers]

Go off to you, my. My sister. Spend your money however you want to make yourself happy, and I will continue to do that as long as other people are not suffering because of that, you're fine. If you're not gambling your life away, if you're not taking your money for your child partner, whatever. Do whatever you want with it. I took myself to Japan, which you know. And I have no fucking regrets.

[Bowen Yang]

No. And nor should you. Nor should you ever. Not ever.

[Matt Rogers]

Not ever.

[Bowen Yang]

And I hope the same is true after you do this. I don't think so, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

I have a kind of specific one, but I think we all have experienced this, and I hope this is legible. And that's a bad sign, right? I hope this reads.

[Bowen Yang]

I think. Think you said. I think this is something we've all experienced. And you hope it's legible.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

I know you're gonna do it. This is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. As time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Instagram or TikTok ads that are staged as, like, a fake podcast. Do you know what I mean? Do you know what I'm talking about? Where it's like two people on a mic being like, I just tried this new Creatine gummy. What's it called? It's so clearly staged. It's so clearly actors.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't like that.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like I'm learning a new language with this. I just. First of all, I don't like podcasts being used as advertising material, period. Believe it or not, Matt and I have been doing this for a long time.

[Bowen Yang]

30 seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

It's so funny to be. It's an interesting time in podcasting right now because I would not say you and I are like podcasters in the way that, like, podcasters denote something now. We're not, like, in the manosphere. We are not quite in, like. I don't know, we're like, not quite like a showbiz podcast, but we're not quite like a pop culture comedy podcast anymore.

[Bowen Yang]

We defy categorization.

[Matt Rogers]

We defy categorization. And I don't like it when people use our form and medium to create, to try to sell and shill for bullshit.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's one minute. The amount of ads we have to do after. This is so crazy.

[Matt Rogers]

That's different. That's so that we can keep the lights on for us. But if someone is aping our shit to fake like an organic conversation about how much they love to use like a UV phone sanitizer, that's weird to me.

[Bowen Yang]

My God, all those words.

[Matt Rogers]

But you know what I mean.

[Bowen Yang]

I do.

[Matt Rogers]

That. That's what. That's.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I just don't like anything fake anyway. It's like stupid.

[Matt Rogers]

It's crazy. This is a thing. And I know for a fact that people are experiencing this on. On their scrolls. I'm like, yeah, this is a weird fucking thing. Why are we pretending that this is a podcast?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, probably also, like, who knows if it even is actual human beings doing it. Like the AI. We want to say thank you to whoever it was that voted for us to be nominated for the I Heart Podcast of the year. Thank you. Thank you so much. Hopefully we might win a second time. We might be like Hilary Swank.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. Or think about that, Meryl.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I hope that people stop faking.

[Matt Rogers]

I really hope people. Do you have any resolutions? I think we're over. We're too old.

[Bowen Yang]

Do I have any resolutions? Honestly, my resolution, I think I had one and then I was like, it's always like pretty vague. It's like care less what people think.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure.

[Bowen Yang]

I think I need to keep doing what I'm doing.

[Matt Rogers]

Keep doing what you're doing. That's.

[Bowen Yang]

That's my resolution.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't change a thing. I wouldn't change a thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Neither would I for you, honey.

[Matt Rogers]

My resolution is my year long project is to make this playlist that I just want to have on while I'm cooking, cleaning, a.

[Bowen Yang]

A life playlist.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not a life. It's called my nighttime playlist. And it's like my wind down, like, good. Because I was just in every. Every bar in Japan I was at and I didn't go to that many, but there was just like, there were so many nights where I would just be like in like just the most beautifully decorated place. And the vibes were just sublime. The music was like an Ella Fitzgerald song or something.

[Bowen Yang]

I was just like, ugh, I need to like, curated.

[Matt Rogers]

I need to. But I need to like draw this out for my own life. I need like fun, international music. Not that Ella Fitzgerald is international, but you know what I mean? Like, it was just like, I just want like music to live to, to just literally.

[Bowen Yang]

I think there is.

[Matt Rogers]

It sounds so silly when you say it.

[Bowen Yang]

I think there Is a definish chance that you will create this. I think there is a definish chance. We didn't name this episode.

[Matt Rogers]

That's kind of beautiful. What if Untitled.

[Bowen Yang]

No. Untitled.

[Matt Rogers]

Fine.

[Bowen Yang]

What do we do? What do we call it?

[Matt Rogers]

Throwing Neck.

[Bowen Yang]

Throwing Neck.

[Matt Rogers]

This is episode one.

[Bowen Yang]

Throwing neck.

[Matt Rogers]

Throwing neck. Our ninth year.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

As a podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

2016, 17, 18, 19, 20. 1, 2, 3, 4. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

This.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, five.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I mean, like if you. But it has not been a full decade. Like it'll be a decade when we hit 2026. March 2026.

[Bowen Yang]

We have to throw a big party for our 10 year anniversary. Where should we have it?

[Matt Rogers]

Hooters.

[Bowen Yang]

I think there is a definition chance that we will have it at Hooters. Oh, my God. That'll be amazing.

[Matt Rogers]

That'll be amazing.

[Bowen Yang]

The Times Square Hooters. Is there one?

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know anymore. There's one in Toronto. We can do that.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, we could do that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. That's a good one.

[Bowen Yang]

I think there is a definish chance.

[Matt Rogers]

Should we call it definish? Should we call this episode Definish Chance or Throwing Neck?

[Bowen Yang]

Throwing Neck.

[Matt Rogers]

Throwing Neck.

[Bowen Yang]

People will love to see that. Oh, you want me to throw neck?

[Matt Rogers]

You want me to throw neck?

[Bowen Yang]

And before anyone jumps on our case, we've given credit to Delta work a million times for popularizing the phrase and we need Delta work on the podcast.

[Matt Rogers]

Delta work on the podcast now.

[Bowen Yang]

We need Delta work Demi Moore.

[Matt Rogers]

That's it.

[Bowen Yang]

And Cookie Monster.

[Matt Rogers]

And Cookie Monster.

[Bowen Yang]

Look for those.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that's a good. That's a resolution for the heroes. Look for the helpers.

[Bowen Yang]

Look for the helpers. We end every episode with a song. Many years I have waited for a gift like yours to appear. While I predict the wizard may make you his magic grand vizier. My dear, my dear. I'll write at once to the wizard, tell him a view in advance. With a talent like yours, there is a definition. If you don't work like you as you should, you be making good. It is one of the great moments of culture. Bye.

[Matt Rogers]

Las Culturistas is a production by Will Ferrell's big money players in iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Bowen Yang]

Creating, created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna.

[Matt Rogers]

Hasnier and Hansani, produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Baime and Monique Laborde.

[Bowen Yang]

And our music is by Henry Komirsky.

[Jon Stewart]

Jon Stewart is back at the Daily show and he's bringing his signature wit and insight straight to your ears with the Daily Show Ears edition Podcast Dive into John's unique take on the biggest topics in politics, entertainment, sports and more. Joined by the sharp voices of the show's correspondents and contributors, and with extended interviews and exclusive weekly headline roundups, this podcast gives you content you won't find anywhere else. Ready to laugh and stay informed? Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Foreign.

[Jason Alexander]

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[Peter Tilden]

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[Jason Alexander]

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