"Mind The Gapping" (w/ Adam Selman)

Summary

Las Culturistas: "Mind The Gapping" (w/ Adam Selman)
Release Date: October 15, 2025

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Episode Overview

In this lively episode of Las Culturistas, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang welcome renowned fashion designer Adam Selman, newly minted executive creative director for the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show and Victoria’s Secret. The discussion explores Adam’s journey from quirky beginnings to the fashion big leagues, the emotional resonance of fashion (especially lingerie), the revival and reinvention of the Victoria’s Secret show, and the ever-evolving dynamics of pop-culture, personal style, and "cutie patootie" energy in 2025. The episode is loaded with humor, heartfelt moments, and inside fashion insights—making it engaging for both fashion lovers and pop-culture aficionados alike.

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Major Discussion Topics & Key Insights

1. Fashion's Emotional Evolution and Victoria's Secret Show Revival

• Resurrecting the Victoria’s Secret Show: Adam is spearheading a more inclusive, emotionally resonant vision for the VS show, focusing on empowerment and creating safe spaces for models.

  “My job really is to make them look good…loving them and feeling them, I think, is the most powerful part.” – Adam (09:45)

• Lineup Reveal & Performers (28:28):
  • Madison Beer (debuting a new song)
  • Twice (K-pop sensation)
  • Carol G
  • Missy Elliott
    Plus Pink is returning as a segment, with models like Barbie Ferreira highlighted.

  “Twice is performing in Pink. We’re bringing Pink back to the show.” – Adam (29:06)

• Backstage Realness: The true stories, sisterhood, and emotions actually play out backstage—something Adam tries to channel into the show’s vibe.

  “The actual stories probably play out in quieter moments backstage.” – Adam (42:48)

• Resetting the Brand: The new approach moves away from the narrow, once exclusionary definition of ‘sexy’, making room for joy, fun, and diversity.

  “What I keep saying is bringing the best of the past and propelling it into the future and somehow mixing it with the excess of the current culture.” – Adam (11:14)

2. Technical Craft: Bra Innovation & The Myth of Sizing

• Bra Illusion & Innovation: Adam demystifies technical advancements in lingerie and bras, emphasizing that “illusion”—adding or subtracting visually—is a core part of his design philosophy.

  “Working with illusion, right? That’s all it is…with lingerie, right, it’s all about, like, adding or subtracting.” – Adam (17:26)

• Bras: Sizing Myths & Fittings (20:03):
  Adam describes the fascinating, problematic history of sizing standardization and urges for body-positive, fun-fitting experiences.

  “There was like a little gapping…and you can, like, look at, like, the front…That gore.” – Adam (20:11)

3. Career Stories: From Sedaris & Rihanna to VS

• Origins: Amy Sedaris and the Hot Dog Rake (06:33):
  • Adam’s first standout project was putting hot dogs on a rake in an Amy Sedaris video.
  • Costume and book collaborations with Sedaris are revisited with fondness.
• Rihanna, Viral Fashion, and Behind-the-Scenes Reality (22:40):
  • Adam goes in-depth on working with Rihanna, from the game-changing 2014 CFDA “crystal dress” to balancing viral moments with the grind of everyday tailoring.

  “I was so broke when I did it…I was tailoring a Nike job the next morning.” – Adam (23:36)

• Savage x Fenty vs. Victoria’s Secret (66:07):
  Adam expresses admiration for both brands, emphasizing that “there’s room for both,” and that he’s bringing his unique vision to VS.

4. Style, Uniforms, and the Cutie Patootie–Baddie Debate

• Adam’s Uniform Code (31:57):
  He dresses in a formula: jacket, Carhartt-style pants, perfect tee or polo, matching denims—preferring consistency over daily reinvention.
• Fashion Trends for 2026:
  • Big pants are “out”; skinny jeans are making a comeback (33:07)
  • Shorts and capris spark a humorous debate
  • Uniforms vs. experimentation—Adam prefers constructing for others, not himself:

    “I’m more interested in dressing other people than I am myself.” – Adam (34:50)

• I Don’t Think So, Honey: Baddies Are Out, Cutie Patooties In (79:33):
  Adam delivers a playful, sharp monologue about shifting away from "baddie" energy to embracing the “cutie patootie” aesthetic—gentle, soft-sexy, and fun.

  “I don’t think so, honey: Baddies, baddies are out. Cutie patooties in. Cutie patooties are the new future.” – Adam (79:33)

5. Personal & Leadership Philosophy, Kindness vs. Niceness

• Directness & Decisiveness: Adam discusses the distinction between being “nice” and being “kind”—contending that leadership sometimes requires decisiveness over gentleness.

  “Kind doesn’t mean that you have to be nice. You can be direct…and still be kind about it.” – Adam (60:22)

• Gay Leadership & the “Nice Guy” Stigma (61:01):
  • Navigating perceptions of weakness, decisiveness, and how being gay intersects with leadership expectations.
• Feedback & Public Critique: Adam acknowledges he can’t be everything to everyone—focusing instead on the storytelling and vision only he can bring.

6. Early Culture: Competitive Cheerleading in Texas

• “Culture that Made You” Segment (46:02):
  • Adam credits competitive cheerleading (junior Olympic-level in Waco, TX) for fostering a sense of support, group ambition, and his comfort working with strong women—directly translating to his leadership & collaborative style in fashion.

  "We had this thing called the Spirit Stick...it's not about how good you are, but how much energy you show and prop others up." – Adam (46:52)

• Personal Growth & Soul-Searching:
  • He refers to the Book of Birthdays, noting his “day of the soul searcher” and reflecting on personality strengths/weaknesses—withdrawal, long-suffering, always searching for meaning (35:33).

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Let’s own sexy. Let’s, like, be forward thinking…my job, again, is to, like, be a steward of women at the same time.” – Adam (11:25)
• “Do you remember Stargirl? You had a bot, and she’d go shopping…that’s very Stargirl to me.” – Adam, critiquing strange AI fashion ads (78:03)
• “I think big pants are out…skinny jeans are coming back. Sorry, but people want to see body.” – Adam (33:07)
• “I don’t think so, honey: Baddies are out, cutie patooties in...” – Adam (79:33)
• “Competitive cheerleading set me up to be able to be like, oh, I can kind of do anything I want to do…especially in Texas, you know, in the 90s, that was not the thing for a guy to be doing.” – Adam (47:42)
• “It’s never worked for me. Blowing up has never worked for me.” – Adam, on conflict resolution (61:51)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• [03:35] — Show begins with banter; Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show tease
• [06:33] — Adam Selman introduced; career highlights and first collaborations
• [08:29] — On maintaining "deorum" among supermodels; emotional moments in fashion
• [10:16] — Gigi Hadid’s emotional fitting; modernizing the VS show
• [17:26] — Lingerie design, bra sizing, and innovations
• [20:03] — The lost art of correct bra fitting & measuring party history
• [22:40] — How costume design led to working with Rihanna
• [23:36] — The day after the “viral dress”: on the grind despite viral fame
• [28:28] — VS Fashion Show performer lineup revealed
• [34:39] — Should people dress like designers, or wear what designers wear?
• [42:48] — Backstage stories and emotional realness
• [46:02] — “What was the culture that made you?” Adam goes deep on cheerleading in Texas
• [60:22] — Leadership: the difference between nice and kind
• [66:07] — Savage x Fenty vs. Victoria’s Secret: embracing different worlds
• [79:33] — “I Don’t Think So, Honey”: Adam’s “cutie patootie” manifesto

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The Las Culturistas Touch: Running Themes and Humor

• “Sgusting,” “suspect,” “sis gusting”: New slang and playful lingo for describing suspect things in culture (06:00)
• Running joke: Matt and Bowen referencing their own “uniforms,” last-minute costume energy, and sharing Halloween war stories (50:01)
• Birthdays & Astrology: Extensive, deadpan banter about the Book of Birthdays, identifying as “the day of the soul searcher” (35:33)
• Sex, Food, and Identity: From hot dogs to cowboy boots, the hosts and guest chart how identity expresses itself through fashion, food, and sexual energy

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Conclusion / Final Thoughts

This episode offers a wealth of cultural and fashion insight with signature Las Culturistas charm. Adam Selman emerges as a thoughtful innovator passionate about inclusivity, empowerment, and fun, all while being deeply technical and deliberate. The conversation oscillates between industry nerd-outs, confessional moments, comedic riffs, and genuine warmth, providing a multifaceted portrait of both modern fashion culture and the personalities shaping it.

In sum:

• Victoria’s Secret is getting a vibrant overhaul under Adam Selman’s guidance.
• The new standard in both fashion and culture might just be “cutie patootie” over “baddie.”
• Fashion, like culture, is always in conversation with the past, present, and the authentic emotional needs of its people.

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For more: Catch the Victoria’s Secret Fashion Show (with Adam’s creative direction) on Amazon Prime, and expect to be left thinking about your own cutie patootie energy.

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I have to say, today is a big day, not only because our guest is on the podcast, but also because we are sort of resurrecting the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Are you. You're not gonna be there?

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I'm not gonna be there. I'm working.

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It's okay.

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I'm gonna be there.

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You know, I would be there with bells on my dick.

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I know.

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If I was available.

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I'm gonna be sitting there actually just fit for it today. I'm Giving you a little shimmer and a little shine. Wow. Just like to fit for the Victoria's Secret Fashion show.

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This is gonna be a really, really, really fun night. Everyone has to tune in. If you're listening to this or watching this on Wednesday, October 15th, it's tonight, y'.

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Well, this guest has really made some iconic moves in the biz. I first encountered our guest putting hot dogs on a rake.

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Mm.

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For an Amy Sedaris video. That was the first time I clocked our guest and thought, who's that?

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Who's that?

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And then found out that he puts Ms. Sedaris in her amazing garments. Mm. Has put Rhiannon in some amazing garments. Has worked with her at Savage Fancy.

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Savage Fenty.

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Heard of it, as we said, out in Seloman Sports. And now he's executive creative director of the Victoria Stephen Fashion show and Victoria's Secret executive.

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Not just a fashion show and Victoria's Secret.

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Oliver and Pitt and pink.

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And pink.

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Pink was.

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I might step into a pink moment.

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I've been in a little bit of a pink moment. It's great. No one understands how good they look in pink. It's actually roller culture number eight.

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No one understands how good they look in pink.

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You look amazing in pink. You do.

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You do. Everyone, please welcome our guest, Adam Selvin.

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Wow.

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This is. Hi, gentlemen. Hi.

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I always love when we have a man with a deep voice on the show, but because it automatically puts us in, like, a space.

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How often have you been complimented in her timbre on your voice?

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I'm very monotone. I will say so. No, really, I don't think so.

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Just. So you gave it a little.

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So you went, oh, see, I gotta work on it.

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I feel like the great fashion men who have great voices. You and Tom Ford, you guys have great.

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In good company.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it does always tend to be down here.

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And then I have my moments. I have my moments where I don't go high, but it goes wide. You know what I mean?

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What do you mean?

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Yeah, it just gets. It gets very excited, you know, I go, you know, wow. And then I have to bring it back down.

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Yeah, of course. Maintain decorum.

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Exactly.

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So how have you been with maintaining decorum amongst the supermodels?

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I mean, so the models are coming in. It's incredible. It's such a dream. Are you guys, like, model boys?

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We're. We're dilettantes with the Donalds.

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We're great respecters and admirers of the icons.

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I mean, I did a shoot with Adrianna. Wow. Who's walking and who's walking.

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Unbelievable.

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Legend of the Runway. And she's just everything I wanted and more. She's got five children. Wow. And then she came straight up to me and, like, held me and, like, wouldn't let me leave with, like, the curlers and the hair. Wearing, like, the Vs robe, which I also brought for us. Oh, my God. He wrote a story in case we want to put on, you know, because it is the day.

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It is the day.

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It's the day.

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I think models feel a particular. Not even just models. It's not exclusive to them vocationally. I feel like they go to you. And I'm just gonna say a lot of these men in fashion are not to be trusted.

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They're not to be trusted.

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And they see you and they feel a comfort. And you are very good at the executive stuff in fashion, hence executive creative director. I feel like they must go to you because of your general magnetism.

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I think I have a working history with so many of them too. So that's the fun Part and then. So I do feel like there's a safe space about it, but also my job really is to make them look good. Right. Like, it's not just making the brand look good and making me look good, but loving them and feeling them, I think, is the most powerful part. Gigi was in yesterday, too, and I'm doing this thing where I'm interviewing as many of them as possible. And she just burst into tears, line two. And I was like, wow, Line two.

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So emotional for them, to be honest.

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Yeah. I mean, it's such an emotional thing. Right. And I think it takes them back to. They want to be chosen, they want to be felt, and those sort of old days, which I'm definitely trying to change. But it's also just like, it's an emotional thing. Right. And I think also it's 45 million people tuned in last year and, like, to, like, here, wear this. You know, and it's like the tidiest thing and be like, have at it, you know, so it's. It's just a beautiful thing to watch, too.

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I mean, I feel like the emotion must come from the fact that it was. I mean, they were interacting with it at a time when it was pretty narrow in the definition of what the aesthetic was. You have so many boxes to check, making them look good, the brand look good, and just trying to. Just trying to, like, balance and sort of, like, reset as we were saying, like, all of these things. Right. I mean, like, do you feel. What is your way of sort of holding all of that?

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I think what I keep saying is bringing the best of the past and propelling it into the future and somehow mixing it with the excess of the current culture.

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Yes, Right.

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And sort of like parsing through the cultural clutter and just being like, let's own it. Right? Like, no more apologies. Like, let's own sexy. Let's, like, be forward thinking. And also, like, I think my job, again, is to, like, be a steward of women at the same time and. And bring out the best in them and make sure that, like, they feel comfortable. Like, I would never put someone in, like, an uncomfortable position. And I think people get that from me and, like, what I'm trying to build here.

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Yeah. I feel like the number one thing, I always think, when I'm watching the show, and I watch them often because there's obviously great musical performances attached, and I just love watching the musicians interact with the girls, which we'll talk about. But I feel like the fact that it really is so empowering. It's not about like, wow, she looks so incredible. It's like she looks like she's having so much fun in what she's wearing. And it is like, regardless of like, it just makes you feel propelled in yourself, too. Like watching them comfortable is, I guess, the thing that I always take from it.

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Yeah. And I would hope that that would be beyond just the Victoria's Secret fashion show. Right. Like, if you see somebody walking down the street, you're like, she's amused because she is, like, owning it and she's like, serving it. And like, you're like, oh, I love how she put it together. Right. So I'm trying to channel that too. And that's the fun part. Even whenever I have my own brand, like, doing the castings with the models was like my favorite part. Like, I would like, sit in front of the table so I could have that exchange. And like, that was the best, best part.

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I just feel like you. I think the reason why I am so emotional. I've kept this. I've kept all of your pieces for for years now because my proportions Are whatever, obviously unique to me. But I have my little things where I'm like, okay, I got short legs and I got no torso. I gotta really fit to that. I feel like your clothes automatically made me feel. Just based on where the seams were and based on the structure of it and where things were placed, I was like, I feel amazing in this. I look amazing. I feel great in this. I feel like that's been. Your signature is just having the seam sculpt the body in all these ways. And I feel like you're so good at hiding certain things in the sort of support of it. But I feel. I would imagine that with lingerie, you are limited in your area of sort of cloaking or sort of, like, covering up those mechanical places.

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Oh, no. I would say the opposite, actually.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Because I do have a long history of costume and even making drag for RuPaul and things like that. You know, I have this great history, and I'm able to take that. And it's all about, like, working with illusion. Right? Like, that's all it is. And. And with lingerie, right, like, it's all about, like, sort of adding or subtracting. And bras is one of the place. One of the places in the industry that there's actual innovation, which is really cool.

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Talk about that.

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That was good.

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I noticed I said our favorite word. That, as you said this. I don't know. We're not on the same page today. You're not in sync me with my.

[C]

Sis, like, with all of my girlfriends. I'm like, you're not wearing the right size bra. And they're like. Like, really? And I would.

[B]

Did you tell Greta that?

[C]

Yeah, I did. And I actually put Greta in the right size bra.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Her bras have looked incredible.

[C]

Yeah. And it's so fun, you know, because I think that, like, it's all. There's no standardization. Right. I can get real nerdy about this. We get nerdy. Like, if you go back in, like, the history and there was a world fair, I'm gonna get really nerdy. But there was a world fair. This is, like, 1930 something.

[B]

Wow.

[C]

You know, and. And. And. And they. They were like, let's find the most normal body right. In America. And so they did this thing with. And they had Norma and Norman, and they were like, build it. And then they used to do measuring parties because of the. The industrialization of fashion. Right. Kind of was taking off then. And then they did measuring parties for women because, you know, men. It was already in the military, but they didn't have the women, but of course, like, no Italians, no blacks, you know, so it was like all white, thin women, you know, and then. So then they came out Normas, Normas, Normas. So then they came up with this standardization, and that's where like, 2, 4, 6, 8 comes from.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

And so, like, so that's where it started from. Right. So, but then you get into, like, how bras changed in history, which BS has been around for 50 years, and we really, really innovate. And so there's different kinds of foam, there's different kinds of pads, there's different kinds of push ups, there's different kind of injection molds so things can feel more like tissue or harder to give you more support. And as you go through the range of cups and bands, that's where it gets really technically interesting. And I love, love, love that stuff. And so you really can create an illusion, you know, with the different bra with a, you know, garter with a waist, you know, like the different panty cuts. Like, I just find it fascinating. It's really fun.

[A]

I mean, what are you looking at? Like, what made you say, greta, you're wearing the wrong bra size? Like, you just looked at, like, the space between the cups and the.

[C]

Yeah. Like, there was, like, a little gapping, you know? Yeah. And you can, like, look at, like, the front.

[A]

Like, I hate gapping my mature.

[C]

That gore.

[B]

Yeah. Title that.

[C]

So then I was like, girl, you're on the wrong size. And then we got on the right side. I was like, what size are you? And then she asked, and then I was like, no, no, no, we're gonna. But. But she was close.

[B]

I wonder how many women don't know their real bra size.

[C]

I think that that's the hard part. Right. And like, most women have always been told they're wrong, and then it's like. As opposed to making it, like, a fun thing, I would say if your friend. If Greta called you, if Amy called me, I would be like, yes, let's go get you measured right away. It'd be so fun. Right? But I don't think that, like, most people would think that that's a fun thing to do, but it could be so fun.

[A]

It could be so fun because the ritual for our generation has been, like, I'm speaking, like, for women who, like, would go to JCPenney or something and get, like, have a woman squeeze them and then tell them.

[C]

Anytime, like, a measuring tape comes out, though, everyone runs the other direction. Minimally. You need it, you know, you need It.

[B]

You know what I think is so funny is those people that even if they do know, the people that look at you and are like, yeah, you're a 32C. You know what I mean? Like, I'm just like, yeah, but just. It's like when a waitress doesn't write down the order, I'm like, you might mess up. And I'm just saying, like, you don't.

[C]

You don't know, but there are experts for that. And that's why if you go to a store, you can actually get measured, you know, fit, and then be like, actually, that's not the right bra for you. This is the right bra for you. And there's so many different cuts and solutions and everything. So I'm like, yeah, go for it. Like, go get a group together. Go do it.

[B]

You must have a lot of stories about, like. Like, seeing someone come in in discomfort or, like, unsure of themselves, and then, like, putting them in something that's correct for them and them just, like, having, like, a total personality change.

[C]

Well, I think that that's what costume design taught me is because it's about, like, looking at someone and saying, like, that's not right for you. Right. It doesn't mean it's not right for things, but, like, this is not your era for that, or this is not your. Like, you know, like, this is not the direction you're going or you don't feel quite like yourself. And that's what I was good at with costume design. And I think that that's what, like, my training was.

[A]

Like, your parameters change based on the way the clothes look. But then with costume, it's like, it's a height. You're putting on something for a heightened reality, perhaps for the camera, for stage, whatever. But I feel like your talent was always making it feel every day and lived in.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, like, with Rihanna, like, that was the thing. It was like, why are you wearing these, like, sparkly bodysuits whenever you're, like, the most gorgeous person in the world. Yeah. And, like. And you dress so amazingly on the street. So, like, let's take that street style and, like, put it on stage. Like, how do you, like, merge the two?

[B]

Wow.

[C]

And that was, like, the big unlock, right? And that's what, like, sort of, like, propelled her fashion career. And, like, that's like. Luckily she, like, hired me to do that. Right. And I would travel around the world and show up with, like, racks of clothes and just be like, this is just made for you. And she would take it and style it and make it incredible with Mel. So it was amazing, Mel.

[A]

I mean, I feel like, I feel like the crystal dress at the CFDA Awards 2014, I think that felt like the beginning of the modern idea of viral fashion.

[C]

Right.

[A]

And what do you think has reverberated the most from that moment?

[C]

What's so fascinating about it is like, I think everybody knows the dress, everybody knows the thing. And like, and I like, obviously, dream come true. And like, you know, it was so incredible because I wanted it. Like, I was like, this is, I want to do this. This is like, let me present like Tom Ford actually had made something for her too, you know, and then she chose to wear that and like, again, it was such a huge career defining thing. But then like, I was so broke whenever I did it that like I was tailoring a Nike job the next morning. And so I was on set at 6:30 in the morning with my name splashed everywhere you can imagine. And I'm tailoring Nike bras and leggings and stuff.

[B]

Having just dressed her for the correct.

[C]

You know, it was just like, it was like the most, you know, surreal thing in the world because like, it was like I had to keep it going, my livelihood going. But then I had had this huge career thing. And so like, I think that like, and it was, it's such a good parallel, right? Cause I think so many people think that like even putting on this show, right? Like, it's like this. I'm doing this amazing dream come true. I'm like doing all the things that like, I always told myself I could do.

[B]

Yeah, right?

[C]

And then, but then you have this other parallel happening of like your life, right? And I'm sure you guys can relate to that too. Like you're out in public, you're out in, you know, and you, but you, you have to keep the wheels on the bus, right?

[A]

There's a million unglamorous things that happen between the glamorous ones. And I feel like, I feel like, I feel like I've been very lucky to be able to see you in your space, put together your clothes. I really miss. This is what I miss the most on social media. So burn it all down. But archive the social media posts. And I mourn these every day. This was my ASMR for a while. It was Adam Sellman doing Adam Sellman's sport, like drops and just like going through each of the clothes and describing them. And I don't know, it was my influencer days. It was your influencer days, but it was just, I Feel like I learned so much about construction because you were talking about the clothes like that. But, like, do you feel like, can you be as transparent about that at BS now? Like, do you feel like there's this, like, barrier, for lack of a better word, between, like, what you can reveal because it is this, like, it is this industry secret that you have to keep in some way?

[C]

No, I think they would be thrilled if I was, like, down to, like, walk through your product and, like, talk about it.

[A]

It's not your thing anymore.

[C]

Yeah, there's just, like. I think I've, like, learned to sort of hold some space for myself. And I think that, like, even in the past few years, like, after I shut down Adam Solomon and Adam Solomon's sport, like, yeah, I just. I've taken a real step back, you know, and, like, this is actually the first interview I've done in a long time, so. But I mean. But it's a joy, right? Because then it's like, I have new things to talk about. I needed, like, that time to sort of regain and, like, calibrate who I want to be and what sides of myself that I want to show. And that's, like, the fun part about. Cause, like, Victoria's Secret, most people don't know that. It's, you know, I'm driving a certain part of the ship, and then there's a huge other part of the ship happening at the same time, and it's just such a massive company. So there's a lot of magic elves making the magic happen.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I feel like if it was when I met you, like, we met because you're close friends with Greta.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And the best. And then at the time, you were, like, literally running Savage Fenty, and I was like, that's such a fun. Cause you're such, like, a fun loving person, and that brand is so severe. Like, it's fun, but it's like. And, like, you're best friends with Amy Sedaris, and you're a goofy person, but then also you have this, like, real eye for sophistication and, like, sex and, like, what's gonna empower women. And so I guess, like, that's, like, fun you can bring to Victoria's Secret, which is why I think it's, like, such a genius brand for you, because the show is gonna be fun. It should be fun. And so just speaking to the fun that's gonna be on stage, there's also the musical performances, which I think are such an intrinsic, amazing part of the show. Can you talk a little Bit about what it's been like to bring the artists in and how that's come together.

[C]

Yeah. I keep saying, like, there's a reason why I stepped away from pop stars. No, I'm just kidding. It's been incredible. It's so fun to enter the arena and actually kind of build the arena, you know? And someone we have performing is Carol.

[B]

G. That's so cool.

[C]

Oh, my God. She's just. And I met her in Paris over the summer, and she's just so beautiful, so lovely, just so incredible.

[B]

And so it's huge deal.

[C]

Yeah, huge deal. So, I mean, it's just a lot. A lot, a lot of fun and building that world and helping them bring that show to life and create the fun is, you know, it's a dream come true. It really is.

[A]

Who, What's. What's the full. What's, like, the roster for performances?

[C]

So the lineup. I guess the lineup is Madison Beer.

[B]

We love Madison Beer.

[C]

Oh, my God. She's so major.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And she's debuting a new song. Wow.

[B]

So we're great music for that show, too. Like, really vibey, but intentional.

[C]

Yeah. So Madison Beer. And then Twice. Love Twice. Yeah, Love Twice. And then Carol G. And then Missy Elliott.

[A]

That's pretty stout. That kind of appeals to all sectors.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Not that, like, you're. That's what the, you know, idea is. But it just. It's a great. That's a great lineup.

[C]

Yeah, it's a great lineup. Twice is performing in Pink. We're bringing Pink back to the show.

[B]

Which I love, which is.

[C]

So.

[B]

We heard about Barbie Ferrer.

[C]

I know.

[B]

That's gonna be cool.

[C]

Oh, yeah, yeah. She's just. She's been a longtime supporter of mine, too. So, like, it's really, really fun to bring. Bring some people back into the fold. We met on a Dolly Parton video.

[B]

Wait, you were working on a Dolly Parton video?

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And I was dressing the extras, and then they're like, the last day before I was gonna leave, they were like, will you dress Amy Sedaris? I was like, yeah, yeah. Hello. And then, so I had to, like, sketch. And then I had to, like, stay up all night and make stuff for her. And then we went down and had, like, the best time. And then Judy, Dolly's assistant, was next to her. And then Dolly came over and was like, you know, Amy said, like, what are you holding? And then she was like, oh, Dolly's snacks. And Dolly came around the corner and said, the smoky sausages are my favorite.

[B]

Mine, too. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

I'm sure.

[A]

Wait, speaking of sausages and Amy, those Simple Times videos were like. I think that was the first time I figured it out that like this was her creative team.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because I don't think she did that for the hosting one for the entertaining one, did she?

[C]

No, no, no, no, no, she didn't do it. For I Like youe.

[A]

For I Like youe.

[C]

And then I did Simple Times crafts for poor people with her.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And. And, and I worked on all the photos and all the crafts and everything. And then. And then we decided to make these videos afterwards that just like. Just for her. And it was so fun.

[A]

Was that all shot in a day?

[C]

No, no, no. It was shot over like the course of six months or something.

[A]

That set was the same the entire.

[C]

Time of the whole time that was set? Yeah, yeah. The videos were set or I think over two or three days.

[A]

But the photos were shot.

[C]

The photos were. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. It took forever, that book and it was so fun.

[A]

But it's still so good to flip. It's still so good to flip. I have my Jerry blank later.

[C]

Oh my God.

[A]

A lot of people lose this, you know, it's toast.

[C]

You can buy them at Cure Thrift. She sells them now.

[B]

Oh really?

[C]

Okay, noted. And then she sells dum dum ones at Locavore.

[A]

Oh perfect.

[B]

I bet you are a beast to go thrift shopping with.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you like it?

[C]

I don't really thrift anymore.

[B]

Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like you have such an.

[B]

Incredible eye in one of those stores sometimes.

[C]

But like sometimes it's like, you know, it's just. It's change. Right. I feel like they take all the good stuff. Like you really gotta like parse through it.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you depop. Do you go on that? Sometimes there's. It is just like. It just feels so much less like connected in a way. It's just like you're not touching it. You're not like.

[C]

I don't know, I guess I dress in a uniform. You know, that's my drag. So like I like. I dress in a uniform and then I buy the same thing over and over and over. So like, you know, now I'm like trying to elevate it.

[A]

Yes. What's the template that you're sort of.

[C]

Like iterating on of mine?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

Like it's always like a jacket and like kind of like a car Hardy pant and like a. The right T shirt or like the right polo, you know, like that. Now I'm like, oh, what's a belt. I'm like, oh. I don't really wear.

[B]

I don't know why I thought I was an Adam Sellman drag today. It's because of my belt.

[A]

It's the belt.

[C]

See the belt?

[A]

Yeah. And the jean, because. Yeah.

[B]

And I feel like that's you. And I almost wore black cowboy boots, but then I was like, no one's gonna see em.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

And they would hurt.

[C]

I used to wear cowboy boots exclusively.

[B]

I know. I was trying to give an homage.

[C]

And then. And then Levi's, 505's orange tab. Orange tab, yeah. Yeah. And I have 30 pairs of them. And then I would have matte because I don't like mismatching denim. It really irks me. So, like, you know, so I would have the matching jacket to the matching pant and then cowboy boots. Then I used to have my hair in, like, a big pompadour with a mullet.

[B]

Yeah. Let's talk about men's fashion. What are you vibing on for 2026? Not just in terms of the Adam Selman uniform, but, like, what should we be looking at for the six gay guys that.

[C]

Listen, I think it's a good question, actually. I think big pants are out.

[B]

Big pants are out.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

They had a long.

[C]

They had a long stint. Yeah. Yeah. And I think we're going back, and, like, the skinny jean thing is coming back. Like, sorry, but people want to see body.

[A]

See.

[B]

Yeah, yeah. It's. I kind of feel like I made friends with the big pants late. Cause being from Long island, it was very hard for me to sort of separate from, like, a fitted pant. And then you look at them, and you're like, okay, yeah. No. And so to hear that they're now coming back is.

[C]

Do you guys have anything that you won't wear?

[A]

What won't you wear?

[C]

Like that. You're like that. That's not for me.

[B]

Can I tell you what I'm really over? And I think it's as a result of seeing myself in it. Short suits. Like, shorts on the Runway, shorts on the red carpet. And I think it was a great look. I was just, like. For some reason, I think it's always next to impossible to find the right shoe when you're wearing a short at, like, an event.

[A]

I was gonna say, I still haven't made up my mind on capris. For me.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Cause because of my leg length.

[B]

Yeah. And also, his legs are very thick.

[A]

Mm. Adam. Yeah.

[B]

You hate it.

[C]

I feel like you guys are very, like, in, like, a fashion Era, though. Like, I'm uniform man, you know, but, like, I feel like you guys, like, really like to experiment, but we aspire to uniform.

[A]

But then I feel a little bit. Elizabeth Holmes. Steve Jobs.

[C]

Exactly.

[A]

You're not doing it in that way.

[C]

No, no, no. It's a constant tweaking.

[A]

Right. What do you make of the phrase, don't wear what the fashion designers make? Wear what the fashion designers wear.

[C]

Wow. It's a good concept. Pretty interesting.

[A]

It's like, should people be copying your style instead of wearing. Well, obviously, they should wear what you're creating.

[C]

I guess for me, I'm more interested in dressing other people than I am myself, and I try to give as much to that as possible. So then whenever I kind of just don't want to think about it, it.

[A]

Taints it if you start blurring the line between dressing yourself and dressing other.

[C]

People a little bit.

[A]

Really?

[C]

A little. Or it's just like, I'd rather give than, you know, which is. I know. Just a Pinterest.

[B]

You'd rather give everyone.

[C]

Hey, men of New York.

[B]

You'd rather give.

[A]

Adam, remember that time that we hung out and we went through that book of birthdays?

[C]

I almost brought it, actually.

[B]

What's the book of birthdays? Is that just says about the birthday and what you're made of.

[A]

It is a tome. It is this thick, this wide.

[B]

Oh, I need this.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

A full spread on every single day of the year.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. And so every. And everyone, you know, everyone. Like, mine is like the day of the Soul Searcher, you know, so like that. And then it gives your strengths and your weaknesses. Brought it. Okay, well, we can do a dial in, and we'll do a dial in.

[B]

Okay.

[C]

So. And then if you come over, you know, then I'll read you your.

[B]

When's your birthday?

[C]

March.

[B]

Mine is March.

[C]

You're Pisces.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

March 5th.

[C]

March 10th.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[B]

You're halfway between me and the Ides. Dangerous day. The Ides of March. Beware them.

[C]

Beware them.

[A]

Do you still live by the day of the soul search, or do you still. How.

[C]

Textually, it's uncanny, really. Still. Oh, it's so annoying. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

I love that.

[C]

Like, my weaknesses are that I'm withdrawn and that I'm long suffering. Long suffering. Long suffering is rough's rough. But it's also, like, you're not supposed to look at them as a weakness. You know, it's like, it could be a positive. Positive, too.

[B]

So the phrase long suffering has always been fabulous.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

Any supporting actress nominee Playing someone who's long suffering.

[C]

Long suffering, yeah. Everybody wants to play one. Yeah.

[B]

The long suffering wife. The long suffering.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You continue to be aspirational, Anna.

[C]

See, that's the goal. Constantly tweaking everyone's.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Do you remember what mine was?

[C]

I don't remember what yours was. We were stone. We really were.

[A]

And so I don't remember a thing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But I just remember that, like, I was kind of like weighing whether or not it was true. Because I don't like being told necessarily what.

[C]

Who I am, see, even maybe that's part of it. You're slightly defiant, you know, and then you're like.

[A]

Well, I will say astrologically, this new thing that I've been not fixated on, but that is resonating with me as a Scorpio, is everyone's constantly like, oh, you're a Scorpio. I'm like, yeah, yeah, sure. But the thing that I think is particularly true now, not more so than ever, but just what I'm thinking about is people will project things onto me. They're like, you must be thinking this. And I'm like, I actually wasn't. But your idea of me is that I think that. Whatever. So maybe that was in there. I just really have to flip through the book again.

[C]

I'm calling.

[A]

Yeah, yeah, I'm going to look today. I'm going to go to the office later and I'm going to. I'll text.

[B]

Is it possible for you to take a picture of my page?

[C]

I will.

[B]

That's just as good as getting the whole.

[A]

It's dense. There's a lot there.

[B]

I've accepted and embraced pretty much everything about the way that astrology is right and right about me. I was going to say right and wrong about me, but it's not wrong about me. It is that annoying thing of like, oh, read me down.

[C]

Right. It makes a great gift, too. Like, if you're like, I don't know what to get this person for their birthday or whatever, like, get the book of birthdays.

[A]

That's what it is, the book of birthday.

[B]

So I started seeing someone who is resistant to astrology. And as a joke, I got him a little book about Scorpios. And he's reading it and he's like, oh, it's kind of scary.

[C]

There's a vintage book called Gay Love Signs.

[B]

Gay Love Signs, yeah.

[C]

That is so good. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it's like you're both into jockstraps and it's ridiculous things. So recommended for that.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

You have A copy.

[C]

I have a copy. Yeah. Yeah.

[B]

You got all the books?

[C]

Yeah, I got all the books. Suzanne Somers. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was trying to read the poetry book. Oh, it's just about poetry. Yeah. She writes about houseplants, you know, like, it's incredible, beautiful stuff.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I feel like that's a thing that we're missing. And, like, you should, like, tell Adriana to come out with a book of poem. You know what I mean?

[C]

She would crush that.

[B]

Adriana Lima? Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. She would actually crush that. Really?

[A]

I think you have. They feel a kinship to you. I think you should. Like, obviously I'm gonna do.

[C]

Maybe before the show, I'll bring them all together and read them a poem.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

And then they could. I was doing the show notes the other day, and it was like, maybe one of the most stressful things, and I wrote a poem about it. And then I was just like, I can't do this. But now I have a poem.

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[B]

I wanted to ask.

[A]

With you coming in, it's like, what is like the backstage moment to you that you wish more people could understand?

[C]

I think I like, you know, like on the Runway. Like, I guess I went into this, like, really wanting to tell stories, right? Like, you know, the soul searcher, like, wanted to tell the story, right? And, like, have these sort of, like, emotional moments. But, like, you can't really ask that of that many audiences, right? And so to understand the story or. No, no, no, to like, understand, like, a deeper story, right? Like, you know, like, on the Runway, it's, like, all about power and about, like, you know, sexy and, like, kind of. I'm contextualizing it in the theme of day to night. Right. Like, the show. So it kind of gives it this theme. But I wanted to tell more stories. Right. And then I think that the actual stories probably play out in quieter moments backstage. Right. Like, and, like, the connection, like, what I just had with Gigi yesterday or, like, the Adriana's holding onto me, and I'll remember that forever. And I think that, like, you know, I think, like, the sisterhood of it all, too. And, like, even just building the looks on them and doing that and making sure that they feel confident and, like, ready. Like, that's the part that, like, I think the people don't get to experience, but that, I hope, sort of transcends onto the Runway, because that's what, like, the joy and, like, the fun part is. Right.

[B]

Do you see a lot of community amongst the girls?

[C]

So much.

[B]

That's great.

[C]

Like, so much. And, like, you know, and then I think in the past, they would be like, who has the best butt? You know, and stuff like that. Who's walking for us? But now it's more of, like, I'm so excited to see. I'm so excited to see Bella. I'm so excited to see this person. And that's the fun part, to see them all get excited about different ones.

[A]

Well, yeah. And this is what I was saying earlier about the emotion of it. It's like it's a new lease on it. I feel like in the past, it was icky because it was top down, and now it's beautiful. Cause it's bottom up, you know, it's like they are the ones who can this and set the tone for what this can be and, like, have it sort of rise from what it was. Which, you know, I don't mean to keep bringing that up, but it's just. It's a really beautiful, meaningful thing that you guys are sort of giving this a new life.

[C]

Yeah. And I think it shows, like, the power of it, you know? Like, I think we all have stories of the brand of, like, growing up, you know, and, like, like, your mom or your sister or whatever, you know, your friend or whatever it is. And, like. And to be able to. This is actually your story. For me to be able to say that to a model, this is actually your story. It's not my story. It's not that, you know, and, like, to take it and make it happen on the Runway, I think is, like, what I'm really trying to do. And hopefully we can kind of tell more of those stories in the surround as well.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, just the mere fact that Pink is having a moment will be fantastic.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, also, we obviously talk week in and week out about pop culture and what's happening in it. And the VS Fashion show is a cultural institution. I mean, it's monoculture. It's one of those things that everyone knows what it is. So the fact that it's gonna come back in a brand new, fresh way, it's one of few things that we have that we can all look at and watch and learn from and get excited about and be enthusiastic about for years to come. So we're excited that you're doing it because you're the best.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

And now we have to ask you the question of our podcast. The central question, which is, what was the culture, Adam Salman, that made you say culture was for you?

[C]

I think for me, it was competitive cheerleading.

[B]

Okay, so this is another facet of you that is. And, you know, you share this with Hannah Einbinder.

[C]

I know was a competitive cheerleader.

[B]

So this is not the first guest we've had talk about this, but how serious was it? How deep was it?

[C]

Well, we were junior Olympian, gold medalist. We were ncaa, like, you know, the thing. Like, I don't know if you watch cheer and stuff like that, but it was like, ncaa, like, the whole thing. And I have the jacket. It's in Texas.

[B]

Yes, Texas.

[C]

You know. Yeah. Csi. The best in the nation. You know who we are. Cheer station.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

Yeah. With that big, booming voice.

[A]

So.

[C]

Unbelievable.

[B]

So I'm assuming you are the one who throws.

[C]

Throws and tumbles and, you know, I was not the best. Like, I was. I think I was decent. I was good. And I could have gone to college for it and, like, done it, but I wanted to go to art school, as, you know, one does. But, you know, it taught me so much about, like, we had this thing called the Spirit Stick, you know, in, like, Source. It was real. And it's not about how good you are. It's about, like, you know, how much you prop other people up and how much, you know, energy you show. And I think. I think about that a lot. I think, you know, it surrounded me with women, you know, from the jump and, like, strong, powerful, funny, you know, like, ridiculous women, you know? You know, and, like, we're like, tumbling. It's like. And it's also a group thing, too.

[B]

Prepare you for being best friends. With Amy Sedaris.

[A]

Truly.

[C]

Truly a tiny woman you can throw. Who tumbles. Exactly.

[A]

Who can scream.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

So, you know, I think so. I think that that set me up to be able to be like, oh, I can kind of do anything I want to do. And especially in Texas, you know, in the 90s, that, like, it was like, that was not the thing for a guy to be doing.

[B]

What part of Texas?

[C]

Outside of Waco.

[B]

Outside of Waco.

[C]

So, yeah, it's like, right in the middle.

[B]

It's not like. It's not like a little pocket of liberalism.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no. So, yeah, it taught you about support. It really did.

[A]

Like, a literal, like, emotional support, but also just in terms of, like, architecture.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

Of like, okay, this has to be an anchor here and this whatever, you know, I'm stretching here maybe.

[C]

No, but is it a stretch, or is that real? No, no, no. It's like, you know, and they're like. I guess you don't think about it in the moment, but I think as we get older, it's like, oh, my God. Holy shit. These women really did it. And they were the supporting system.

[A]

I would be so curious. I don't think I've heard you boom. Your voice. I feel like I've always heard you at this frequency. Really?

[B]

Don't hurt yourself.

[A]

I'm not saying I'm not putting you on the spot to do it now, but I'm just like. Do you feel like this choice to place it down here now, is this a way to, like, balance out, like, the. Just the usage of it, like, in that. In that way, in that context?

[C]

No, I think that, like, you know, I think sometimes we, like, play characters of ourselves, right. To try to figure ourselves out. And, like, I was a theater kid. I was in, you know, cheerleading, and I think that I kind of got it out of my system, and I feel more comfortable in this, you know, like. And I feel very comfortable in myself right now, which is good. But I don't feel like I need to be the booming person.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, there are better people for that. To boom.

[B]

To boom. You're looking to us to boom.

[C]

Yeah, I'm looking to you to boom.

[B]

We can boom.

[A]

We can boom.

[C]

I know.

[A]

I know.

[C]

Take a break.

[B]

You did so much booming back in Waco.

[A]

I'm kind of, like, over. I don't want to boom.

[B]

Bitch, you boom all the time, you know? Well, I wouldn't say you boom. I would say you shriek.

[A]

You know what? Yeah, sure. I shrieked. Yeah, you boom.

[B]

I belt.

[A]

You bow. To boo. I think you. You have one of the great. My favorite scream.

[B]

My favorite scream.

[A]

You have my favorite scream. Like that.

[B]

Oh, the porg.

[A]

The porg. That's my favorite.

[B]

I.

[C]

That's good.

[A]

Is this. Does this resonate with us? It's like I'm about to say something so snobby, but it's like, I. Halloween's coming up. I'm like, I'm not a big Halloween person.

[B]

Me neither.

[A]

Because I have the privilege of putting on costumes for my job. Exactly.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

And so, I don't know, it's that thing where it's like I have to, like, balance the scales a little bit.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

You know.

[C]

Have you ever been a Halloween person?

[A]

I used to.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Were you?

[A]

I feel like in college I was a big Halloween person.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

And then, like, right after college, remember that year I dressed up as Mugatu.

[B]

Mugatu. He was great as Mugatu.

[A]

I don't think I've told Will that.

[B]

Oh, you should. Will.

[A]

Will. I remember. I remember just. Yeah. Halloween was my favorite day of the year as a kid.

[B]

It's always been, like, a little fraught for me. I don't know why, but I think there's something about what you just said. Like, maybe because I was always in college, I was always doing sketch, so I was always in costumes. I was dealing with so many costumes. It was easy for me to just throw something together because I had a prop bag and I traveled with a prop closet. Cause I was the director and I had literally, I was like, you wanna be a doctor? I got you, baby. Which kind of doctor do you want to be? Do you want to be a doctor who's covered in blood, or do you want to be fresh and new? I got both. And I got variations on the kind. But it was like, then when the prop closet went away and I didn't have all those things anymore, I was like, oh, no, right. It becomes a day of thing for me every year. I tend to do fine, but.

[A]

But you have a knack for putting together something at the last minute. One year, mat. This is when we were, like, broke and just didn't have just resources. And so you put on, like, a bob and you put on one of Sudi's dresses, and you were like, a secretary at work.

[B]

I was a secretary at the work party. Who's going off.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Like, I just.

[C]

See, that's a gift. To be able to bring it together last minute is.

[B]

I usually, like, can put the character together and then I Look. And I'm like, oh, I know who she is, but I don't know what it is until, like, one year I was just like, ugh, God. I was like. I put together, like, it was like a white button down and like a loose tie and I got like lipstick on my collar. And I was like, I'm your husband having an affair. You know what I mean? Like, and then we did. You were Ash Ketchum and I was Jason Stackhouse. That was a good one.

[A]

That was a fun year.

[B]

I kind of want to bring back Jason Stackhouse.

[C]

Are you guys into, like, couples? You know, like, pairing?

[B]

Have we ever done. Oh, you know what we did when we were Nicole Kidman and Laura Dern?

[A]

Yes. This was right. This is right after Big Little Lies.

[B]

From Big Little lies. He was iPad Renata.

[C]

That's a really good.

[B]

And I was Nicole with a secret.

[C]

That's really good. Can you do some of the voice?

[A]

Oh, I wanna. I was Renata.

[B]

You were Renata.

[A]

So I was. I was Laura Dern.

[B]

You were Laura Dern with the eyepatch. And I was Nicole Kidman just sort of in the corner. I didn't do a voice. I was really quiet because I had so many secrets.

[A]

Laura didn't really have a stock line that season, but if it were post season two, I would have said, I will not not be.

[B]

No, she did. She did. You want to know what it was?

[A]

What did I have one?

[B]

You weren't really. You did do it a bunch. It was. I said thank you.

[A]

It was. I said thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[C]

For sure. I think that you had to remind him of that.

[A]

I said thank you.

[B]

Laura was so good.

[A]

So good. A full decade ago at this point, you know.

[B]

No, stop.

[A]

2025. 2015.

[C]

2025.

[B]

I think it was 2017. It was 2017. Oh, yeah, it was 2017. We're still. We're still being a decade since Big Little Lies. Jesus Christ.

[A]

We're getting there. But is this your relationship with Halloween too, as someone who's like, has like an occupational relationship with costume? Yeah.

[C]

Like, I felt like, like I wouldn't do it unless I went big. And I'm not good at the last minute thing.

[A]

Right.

[C]

So I. My thought, you know, I made a huge owl costume, you know, one time that was like huge. You know, took like sunglasses and put, you know, a thing and like took those shoes with, like, the toes and then put claws on it. Are they your favorite owl? I love an owl.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

My sister loves owls. She collects them.

[C]

What's up to love, Right?

[B]

Well, they say who they can see all the way around their head.

[C]

They're so cute.

[B]

They're nestling in the night.

[C]

And then they can move their heads all the way around. I'm very into that.

[B]

You like that?

[C]

Yeah, Yeah, I like that.

[A]

It's a little eerie when you see it in real life.

[B]

You want a bottom that turns his head all the way up.

[C]

Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.

[A]

Pop. Pop.

[B]

You want a bottom?

[A]

Who. Rubber.

[C]

Rubber necks.

[B]

Oh, my God. Can you imagine if you were behind in the throws and the bottom did.

[A]

A Linda Blair sometimes.

[B]

Whatever. Anyways. Anyways, so, yeah. Owls are amazing. They're so great. They really are so competitive, cheerleading. You did not go to college for it.

[C]

I did not go to college for it. I went to Brooklyn to go to art school.

[B]

You said at that point, leave it.

[C]

No. And then I tried. There was actually a New York City cheerleading squad. And so I was like, I'm gonna go do that. And then they were like, oh, we do the parades and we do this and we go to the events. And I was like, I'm not into that.

[A]

No, you just wanted to do it for the love of the game.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. I wanted to keep the competitive thing going, you know.

[A]

You didn't have a cheer squad.

[C]

I think that they did.

[A]

And you were Pratt.

[C]

I was. I was a. I could have. Yeah. But I think I was kind of like, you know, these Pratts. No, because, you know, competitive. The competitive. Cheerleading is the key word to it, you know, Because I think that, like, that also taught me that ambition is rewarded. You know, that, like, so. I mean. Because people are cutthroat, you know, like, they're really, like, you know, ambitious with.

[B]

They have a Pratt summer.

[C]

Yeah, they have a Pratt summer.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And would you say that's generally true in fashion, that ambition is rewarded?

[C]

Yeah, I would say.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. Do good work and people notice. And, you know, and, like. And just keep. Keep at it. Like, I think, like, Rick Owens said something like, you just have to keep producing, and then, like, your voice will come through. Like, your style will come through. Right? And I think that's generally true for.

[A]

A lot of things. Like, just. Just keep the output. Keep the output, even though it feels hard. Like, the thing about my current job is that we are expected to make things at an unreasonable clip. Like, every week, you're supposed to have ideas, and it's not totally sustainable, but it does get you to just. It does build you reps. And Matt knows this. It just gives you some engine of, like, okay. Even if I don't feel like it, I gotta do it always, you know?

[B]

Well, yes. I was just thinking, like, speaking of output or lack thereof, are you to blame for why Rihanna doesn't put out music anymore? And can you claim that?

[C]

I'm not going anywhere near that, actually. I still get so many DMs to be like, can you get this in front of her? Or, like, can you. Da, da, da, da, da. Like, no.

[B]

Okay. Outside of that, though, like, working with her, what can you. What can you share about working with her and how she is as a collaborator? Because I think everyone's most fascinated with her than maybe anyone.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, she truly is incredible. Like, she really is so inspiring to be around. She's so singular in her vision, you know, and that, like. And we have a shorthand, you know, and so she really would, like, trust me to be able to, like, output my best, you know, And I just. I cannot say enough good things about her. It's so amazing, you know, I'm so happy that she had a girl, you know? Like, it's just so beautiful and, like. And to watch her become a mother, because she's always talked about that, like, even having her cousins, you know, and, like, kids around, like, she's always, like, holding them. So I'm really, really happy for her on a personal level.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, but she's just spectacular, like.

[A]

Yeah, that's beautiful.

[C]

And everything that people say about how she smells is also true.

[B]

She smells quite good.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

How would you describe. What are the notes?

[C]

There's. There's been different chapters, but, like, she layers. Yeah. So there's like a vanilla with, like, a little, like. And then there's a hint of a floral in there, too. But it really is a signature thing.

[A]

Wow.

[B]

And even she wasn't able to get you into Housewives.

[A]

I was gonna ask.

[C]

No, I've never watched one episode.

[A]

What's your allergy to it?

[C]

Cause I think once I start, then I'll be locked inside for the next year watching it.

[A]

But don't you want to be like, Ree and just stay in and watch Housewives all day?

[C]

Also not going Quester Labs.

[B]

The NDA is. It is leather bound. Oh, my God, I love it.

[A]

Don't we make us watch Housewives all the time?

[C]

I can't do it. I just watched Game of Thrones. I just rewatched it.

[A]

You just.

[B]

Oh, you just rewatched it?

[C]

Rewatched it. And I'm like. And like, that's exhausting in itself, you know?

[A]

I know, but the Housewives is something that doesn't really demand much of you, the viewer. You can just fold your laundry and not even watch the screen.

[C]

But I feel like I'm, you know, I would get so hyped into it that I would. I would be picking fights, you know, like, outside. I would be like, oh, really? You know, I think. I think that, like, that it would rub off on me and not in maybe not the best way.

[B]

Oh, I've. We've gotten people into it, and they've. And we've watched them become more argumentative. Like, we know someone who. I don't think they would ever have done something like this, but, like, I introduced them to housewives, and then one time they started up with me at a dinner in front of people, and I was like, I did this by getting you into houseboxy. I knew it. I knew it. I knew that was not to say that was entirely all what that was.

[A]

There are intrinsic things about a person.

[B]

But I was like, the fact that I presented something to you that would create a reality in your mind that it's okay to do this at a dinner is my fault. I was like, you were perfectly fine without this in your life.

[A]

No, I disagree. Not your fault at all. But then you're implying that you are argumentative, that you get into fights.

[B]

Are you competitive?

[C]

Truly, there culture.

[A]

I don't know you to be. I don't know you to be, like, a person who likes.

[C]

I'm pretty direct. I'm pretty direct. It takes a lot to get me escalated, but, like. But even to get there, I'll be super direct with people.

[B]

Well, that's leadership. I feel like that's what leadership is. That's what directing is. It's making decisions that you. It's not about being right all the time.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

I think that's something that people.

[C]

I love being wrong. I love bad ideas, you know, like all those. So.

[B]

Yeah, well, they get you somewhere. As opposed to wishy washiness or, you know, like a lot of like, like bowing to other people's thoughts and ideas in too many, like, ways to try to include everyone. And then the decision that's being made is a confused one.

[C]

Correct.

[B]

Or one that is not strong. So I think it takes a really decisive person to be a leader, because then we're getting somewhere. We might not be where we thought we'd be, but you have to be decisive to.

[C]

I've been thinking a lot about the difference between nice and kind, you know? Well, I think, like, nice, you know, it's like, there's like a Southern, you know, sort of, you know, genteel about it. Right. But then kind doesn't mean that you have to be nice. You know, I think you can be direct. You can be, like, straightforward and still be kind about it, but you can be more direct and, like, you know, have a heavier hand.

[A]

Right.

[C]

And so I've been thinking about that a lot, just about my approach. Cause everyone's like, you're such a nice guy. You know, I'm like, well, I don't want people to say that just about.

[B]

Me because it does have a stigma. It does have a little bit of a. Maybe this is from being gay, too.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

But do you feel like the best.

[C]

Little boy in the world's depressing?

[B]

So it's sort of like. I do feel like when you're a gay person and you are, like, engaging with the leadership, there is a thing where it's like, you can sort of tell that people are waiting for their opportunity to invalidate you.

[C]

Right.

[B]

You know what I mean? And so what a nice guy is kind of like, don't. Don't let the word out there get out that I'm weak or that I can be walked over. Cause I'm a nice guy.

[A]

I'm not a gay guy.

[C]

He said that in a really kind way. Is like, even that is like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

I think, like, oh, that was cutting, but in a really kind way. Cause, like, disappointment is like, the thing that people don't want to touch at all. Sure. You know, and blowing up has never worked for me.

[A]

It's never worked for me.

[C]

Really.

[A]

That's worked for me a couple times, but I feel like I would. This is kind of a little bit lazy, but I feel like kindness is gestural. It's an action. And nice is like a tone or mannerism or a manner of speaking literally. He told me that in a nice way, not in a kind way. He was kind in that he sent me a fruit basket when I suffered.

[B]

I suffered when I was long suffering. My thing is, like, I just. I feel like I can always tell when I'm being condescended to. And I would just so much rather someone be like, this is what I need from you, and this is what it is so that we can get here. Great. I know where I stand with you, and I know what I need to do as opposed to. Yeah. So I guess what we're thinking is it's just like, I hate this.

[A]

Don't equivocate.

[C]

I hate this energy and I think that, like, doing this show, too, like, I've really had to put my, you know, channel big energy for it, because it's not just the clothes and it's not just the models and the performers, but it's the music and, you know, like, the stage design and the vision. Right? And, like, once you start to give little pieces away of that, then, like, that's when people chip away or, like, you know, and then if you're nice about it, like, so I've had to be really, really direct and be like, that's not what I want. This is what I want, you know, and try to get that across, because it's huge. Like, the expectations are huge, the vision is big, and I want those two things to match up. So it's been an interesting exercise for me.

[A]

What was your pre performance or pre event mentality in competitive cheerleading? Does it mirror anything now before a big event comes up? I think Matt and I learned a lot about ourselves and each other before, like, the Culture Awards, let's say, where it's like, oh, fucking. This big thing is about to happen. Like, we better buckle down.

[C]

Right?

[A]

Yeah, right.

[B]

Like, I just gotta chill, you know?

[A]

Like, what was, like, cheerleading Adam? Like, does that speak to what, like, VSF show?

[C]

Like a VS show Adam, I think that, like, cheerleading Adam was fearless. Right? Was like, I don't care. I'm doing it. I know what to do. And it was like a burst of.

[A]

Energy before an event. Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. You know, and, like, meaning, like, it was precision. Right. But it was like. But it was podcast. Yeah. Practice. But it was more of, like, like, let's go. You know, it was like, lots of, like. Lots of energy and stuff like that. So, like, so there was that, but then now it's more. More methodical and more, like, thought out. And I'm trying to think more ahead of the whole thing. Right. Like, you know, I'm like Coach Taylor from Friday Night Lights, you know, that, like, thinking more like that, like, trying to get ahead of everything as opposed to, like, reacting to it in the moment.

[A]

Right. Because you're trying to communicate all these things visually, you know, sonically, whatever, emotionally. But you are only in control of the delivery system to a certain point.

[C]

Completely. Yeah. And especially to 45, 50 million people, like, there's only so much I can control of that. And, you know, and it really is just about focusing on the present, focusing on the future, focusing on what I can do, as opposed to all the noise that's coming in. But I want to make a spectacle Right. This is. I mean, it's such a thing. It's the same thing with the awards. I'm sure you're like, well, I've got this idea, and I want to do this, and I want to do that.

[B]

How are you with feedback in terms of what everyone says? Because especially with lingerie, it's very sensitive. I would imagine that it makes people feel all different kinds of ways. And, you know, obviously, Savage Fenty is, like, attached to Rihanna and her brand, and there's, like. You know, it almost feels like I don't know if this is true, but because she's so bold and impenetrable and so assured, and then people have different ideas about Victoria's Secret. I'm sure that there's going to be and already has been, like, lots of, like, feedback and weighing in and stuff like that. So are you prepared for that? And how will you prepare for that, and how do you deal with that in general?

[C]

I think I'm like, I know I can't be everything to everyone. Right. And I think that, like, you know, I love Savage x Fenty. I love it. I love Rihanna, and I think there's room for both. Right. Like, I think that, like, I think people want it, like, to go at it, but it's actually truly. It's its own world. I think, like, Victoria's Secret is, like, its own world. It's, like, two totally different things. And I think what I'm doing here is a totally different thing than what I was doing there. So I think that I know I can't be everything to everyone. I think it's more about focusing on what I can do and the vision and bringing what only I can bring to this and seeing the opportunities of. And it's not only here, but the photo shoots, the stories we can tell around the brand, that's really gonna bring it to life.

[A]

Yeah. Does the job require you to be in a lot of places, or do you get to work out of New York?

[C]

Mostly it's mostly in New York, and then we have a thing in Columbus as well, so we kind of go back and forth, and there's, like, a whole mock store there, so we get to, like.

[A]

What's in the mock store?

[C]

So we get to, like, see it all mocked up, you know, before, you know, like, the season sets.

[A]

In the retail space.

[C]

In the retail space? Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

So I love seeing that. And it's just like, I don't know if you read that Demna thing this week that he's felt like at Balenciaga he had carrots and potatoes, but he's a chef. But now at Gucci, he has all the ingredients and stuff like that. And I was like, it sounds bitchy, but really, I'm at Victoria's Secret. I'm like, oh, my God. I have a whole team. There's resources, there's things to help me be able to keep my eye on the vision as opposed to be in the weeds of things. Because I think so much of my career, I was in the weeds of the whole thing.

[A]

But how are you with delegating that film?

[C]

Fantastic.

[A]

Great.

[C]

I love it. It's so fun.

[B]

Love. Once you realize you can do it.

[C]

Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, it's just. It feels so cool. I remember when Greta was telling me, at least I think maybe she was telling us at the same time that you were moving to vs. I was just like, that is so perfect. I feel like if you've made me feel very good in clothes, I'm like, I just. Just that feel. And if I.

[C]

Well, look at the canvas.

[A]

Stop, stop, stop. Adam. But just, like, you know, if you think, like, scaling that to this brand that, like, has a lot of emotional history with people is really powerful, so it's really exciting, and I can't wait for the show.

[C]

Thank you. Me too. I'm so excited to. For the 16th, actually.

[B]

To be done.

[C]

To be done for your Invisalign. Yeah, yeah, for my Invisalign.

[B]

So you're gonna go backstage. Like, go, go. You're not gonna be able to watch it.

[C]

Yeah, so I'm gonna be like, that. I'm wearing a GoPro. Like, everyone's like, you need to have a camera and a GoPro and a thing, you know, so that you can, like, see the whole thing.

[A]

Where are you putting the GoPro?

[C]

It's like, there's, like, a magnetized one. So wear, like, a little necklace with a thing. So there's been, like, that's, like, the footage that, like. So you can kind of see what I'm doing, like, right before the models go.

[B]

Yeah, Yeah.

[C]

I think, like, I, like, I'm gonna be, like, in tears afterwards. Like, it's just gonna be. It's gonna be so fun.

[B]

I'm so happy I'm gonna get to be there. And Bub will be there in screen.

[C]

I'm so happy you're coming. I know.

[B]

I'm so excited.

[C]

Next year. Next year?

[A]

Yeah, next year.

[C]

Right around the corner.

[A]

Do you want. Would you design, like, a jewelry moment for the GoPro? If it's if you're wearing it like on a necklace or.

[C]

No.

[B]

You got your hands full of this.

[C]

I know.

[A]

Do you think in a week you could get together somewhere?

[B]

Exactly.

[C]

Bedazzled.

[B]

The GoPro.

[C]

There's so many other bedazzled things to get together. Of course.

[A]

Sorry. I'm sorry I brought it up.

[C]

But I like where your mind is going. Yeah. Always the dreamer.

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It's time.

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It's time for. I Don't Think so, Honey. Adam this is our 60 second segment on this podcast, Las Culturistas. We've been having it since episode one.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

Why would this one be any different? Where we take a item in culture and we sort of look at it and throw it to the ground and stomp on it a lot. And I have a thing. I have a thing.

[A]

Okay, it's got Taylor. Apparently this is Matt Rogers. I don't Think so. Honey's time starts now.

[B]

I don't Think so Honey. The discourse on life of a showgirl. Congratulations. You got what you wanted. You made it not fun. You have officially got to the point where you're screaming at someone that they're stupid because they like music. This is pathetic. I don't care what you Think about it. And I do mean you. Everyone out there. All that matters is my experience with it, which has been very similar to other Taylor Swift albums. Eight songs that I'm fucking obsessed with, three that I think are pretty good, and one that I fucking hate that I'll probably love in nine minutes. In nine months.

[A]

Nine minutes even.

[B]

Nine minutes even. Because I fucking hated it. And that's the way it goes. It is ridiculous that it has gotten to this place where you make a full assessment about it because they like pop songs. Please get a grip. Posting on your close friends. 10 stories about how you don't understand something. No one required. You understand it. Like, don't understand it. Go do your own thing. You don't like that she's ubiquitous. Stop making her ubiquitous. I don't think so, honey.

[A]

And that's one minute. I mean, you're, you know, you're adding like you're throwing a stone in the. I'm saying you, as in like someone who, like, is saying, like, why are we talking about this so much?

[B]

Then why are you talking about it?

[A]

It's. It's. It's. It all just. It all just. It's all residue, you know?

[B]

This is all. I'll say. I think everyone's insane. I get why you're insane, but I. But you are. And this is.

[A]

You're insane because you should be.

[B]

Yeah. And also. And like, this isn't. This isn't me, a crazed swifty defending it. This is me, someone who observes what's going on and sees something really weird. Like.

[C]

It's also worthy of insanity, though.

[A]

It's worthy of insanity. Well, that's what I'm saying. People are insane because they should be. He's a soul searcher. I would be very curious to see what the birthday book says.

[B]

Now. What defines. What is the soul searcher?

[C]

I'm always looking for the next thing. I'm always. What does that mean? What does that mean to me? How can I better myself and things like that or better a situation or whatever it is. Always searching.

[B]

Okay, I guess I'm a soul search.

[A]

No.

[B]

And now I'm searching for it. I don't think so, honey. From my girl.

[A]

I needed to pull up a visual aid. So therefore I need to hold onto my phone.

[B]

I am now pulling up the incredible clock for Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. And is the visual aid ready?

[A]

It's ready.

[B]

Your time starts now.

[A]

I don't think so, honey. These AI Sketchers UNO ads that we've been seeing on the subway, on the back of playbills. I had a playbill the other week where this. This ad of sketch. I'm sorry, my little privacy screen on. Why is this woman not wearing the shoe? Why is she. Why does she have red and blue stripes across her face? What it like, someone had to approve this and then look, the type treatment. 30 seconds, stroke on some fonts, different weights, different thicknesses, different sort of height, different kernings. I don't really understand the thought around this. Around putting this out. 15 seconds for mass consumption. This one of this woman, I guess, in a Japanese village with five camel toes of horizontal labia on her jeans. The shoes are barely featured. And who is this girl? She's cunty. I just don't know why she's selling me shoes.

[B]

An ugly shoe. That's what I'm in it.

[A]

And I don't really get if, like, this can't. This better be, like, such a quick little hairpin turn in the way that fashion gets, like, advertised because we can't have more shoes.

[C]

Looks like a video game, right?

[A]

It's not a shoe commercial. It shouldn't be selling me a shoe. You know what I mean?

[B]

This is gonna be a very visual one, guys. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

I don't think on YouTube or on socials, we're gonna put little.

[B]

Oh, yeah, it's gonna be a walkthrough.

[A]

But you know what I mean? Like, why is this. Why is this. Why is Ms. Thing?

[C]

It's very frontal for sketchers.

[B]

Yeah. That doesn't make sense to me. I don't get it.

[A]

I love the product.

[C]

Sure.

[A]

But, like, I don't know. Don't sell it this way. This is.

[C]

What story are they trying to tell?

[A]

What story are they trying to tell?

[B]

I am confused by the story.

[A]

Adam, don't do any of this.

[C]

No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Not that you would.

[C]

That was, like, a video game. Like, do you remember Stargirl?

[A]

What was Stargirl?

[C]

And, like. And you just had, like, a bot. And then she'd go shopping, and she would pose, and, like, she would go to a photo shoot, and you would. You know, that's very Stargirl to me.

[B]

What's the best fashion marketing ever, in your opinion?

[C]

I mean, I think it was Tom Ford at Gucci. I think. I mean, we can't escape it. It was incredible.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah. We're still there.

[A]

I wish I could. I wish I was more tapped into it at the time, because I feel like I'm learning about it in retrospect, and I'm like, oh, that sounds like a fun moment.

[C]

Even that whole time, it's like, no wonder I went into fashion, you know, I couldn't avoid it.

[B]

Yeah, I do think. Did the Calvin Klein of it all, like, ping you at all?

[C]

Oh, definitely. That was pretty Marky. Mark made me into whitey tighties, you know, I mean, he, like, that's like forever burned in my brain.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. For better or worse, it's played as one of those images that will stay.

[A]

Yeah, that's a good image.

[B]

Every time there's a new Calvin Klein ad, I always think it's a little cultural moment.

[A]

Always.

[B]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's kind of an achievement level for hot people.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Adam, it's your time.

[C]

I'm so nervous right now.

[B]

I understand.

[C]

It's a hard thing to do. We get it. Be direct.

[A]

Don't equivocate. Don't be nice. Don't be kind.

[C]

Be kind. Don't be nice.

[A]

Don't be kind. Don't be nice.

[C]

Yeah, yeah.

[A]

However you want to interpret that.

[B]

Okay. Are you ready, Adam? Salman, this is your. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[C]

I don't think so, honey. Baddies. Baddies are out. Cutie patooties in cutie patooties are the new future. And you know what? A cutie patootie, we keep things tight, we keep things sexy. You know, it's like a off the shoulder. It's a gentle fabric. Baddies, we still love a baddie. We love a baddie. We still wanna feel a baddie. But I don't think so, honey. We have to move the needle past baddie and into cutie patootie. It's all about cutie patooties. You know what? Not cutie patootie eating hot dogs. Eating hot dogs are out. So baddie eating hot dogs are out. And you know what goes along with hot dogs are lilies. Lilies are also out because they smell like boiled hot dogs. I don't think so, honey. And like, we're not doing that. We're not doing hot dogs, we're not doing batty and we're not doing lilies. So don't bring it around. I don't think so, honey. Like, we're going to keep on it. Cutie patootie energy for the future.

[A]

I'm so inspired. I'm so inspired. I have questions. They're not meant to poke holes. What about the smoked sausages?

[C]

Smoky sausages are different than hot dogs. Those are cutie patootie. Like, if you go on a date with Somebody to a theater, and they're like, I just want to eat something. And they take a hot dog, you know, and eat it in the dark. Like, that's. That's not cutie patootie.

[A]

You know, Everyone loves a hot dog in the dark.

[C]

But why?

[A]

What is it about hot dogs that are not cute? Cutie patootie to you?

[C]

The condiments, they're too batty. You know what I mean? It's too much. It's too much of a move, you know? Corn dog, Corn dogs. Corn dogs. You can stay there. Cause it's on a stick. Yeah, yeah, it's on a stick.

[B]

Corn dogs.

[A]

Cutie patootie.

[C]

Very cutie patooty.

[A]

Guess what I buy at Wegmans?

[C]

Corn dogs.

[A]

Corn dogs. Buy the box.

[B]

It's cutie, but cutie, because it's on a stick.

[C]

Amazing, right? It's on a stick.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

It's like you can do a gentle dip. You know what I mean? You don't want.

[B]

It's all muss.

[A]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

No muss, no fuss, no fuzz.

[A]

You're not putting onions and relish on it. You're not putting these things that'll slip and fall off. That's bad.

[C]

I feel like that is.

[A]

Maddie, I'm starting to see. I do love a hot dog.

[B]

Me too. A lot.

[C]

Well, you know, the New Year's right around the corner, so get out of your system because cutie patootie is coming in hot. Yeah, yeah.

[A]

This relieves me because I've always identified as. I can't identify. I can't self label. The way I've gotten through life as a gay man is being cutie patootie. I'm never gonna be batty. I'm never gonna be like, hot, hot. But my stylist, Michael Fisher goes funny boy Bowen is out. We're doing sexy bow. And I'm like, sure, but.

[C]

Yeah, but cutie patootie is sexy.

[A]

It's sexy.

[C]

Yeah, yeah. It's still very sexy, but it's a softer sexy.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I mean? It's just a little gentler than like, bam. I'm sexy and I'm owning it. You know what I mean? Like, it's a. Hey, look over here. It's over the shoulder. It's the owl of it all, you know?

[A]

But your good friend is the ultimate baddie bad gal.

[B]

Well, you know what this is? This is an Easter egg.

[C]

But she's also very cutie patitty.

[B]

Patrick, this is an Easter egg. So basically, what he's Saying is that in R9 what we can expect is more cutie patootie. Because bad gal. Riri has always been through anti. I mean like that was bad gal. And so basically what he's saying without saying it is he's giving us a clue.

[C]

After this interview, she's like never going to talk to me ever again.

[B]

We know we can expect cutie patootie. We can expect it.

[A]

Don't the poll. Adam, what do you identify as? Batty or cutie patootie?

[C]

I'm cutie patootie. I'm also, I'm more of like I'm a gun girl actually. Texas with a horse girl rising, you know, but that's not in right now. I'm talking in is cutie patootie. And I don't know if I'm cutie patootie.

[A]

Guns and horses can be cutie patootie.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Pew pew.

[A]

Gun is cutie.

[B]

We're about to shoot guns. We're about to shoot guns.

[C]

Are you really? Have you ever shot a gun before?

[B]

A bachelor party and I was tasked with locking down the gun range.

[C]

That's so fun.

[B]

So we're doing it in New Orleans and we're gonna go shoot guns. The first time ever.

[C]

That's so fun. You're gonna have a blast. It really is a great time.

[A]

When was the last time you shot one?

[C]

I'm gonna say maybe seven years ago. Wow. Yeah. Well, you're due. And my brother in law set up cook cans in my parents field and we did it.

[B]

You ever go skeet shooting?

[C]

Never been skeet shootin'.

[A]

I will say a hot dog moment that stands out to me is cutie patootie. Azealia Bain's licorice video. She at the end eats a hot dog in the most cutie patootie way. And I must say, she is obviously batty, but.

[C]

She's obviously batty.

[A]

She's batty, but I think she can eat a hot dog in a very cutie patootie way.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

So I present that as like a.

[C]

Counter cutie patootie rising.

[B]

If you're genuinely, authentically cutie patootie, anything you do is gonna be cutie patootie. Right.

[C]

That's true. And if you embody it, you harness that cutie patootie energy.

[B]

Whereas if you're just such a baddie.

[A]

You've given me a lot to think about.

[C]

I want this to. Before you fall asleep tonight, I want you to be thinking cutie patootie. Like as you fall asleep.

[A]

I will. I'M thinking about. I'm saying I'm gonna be thinking about this for at least a year.

[C]

Okay. I mean that. But then we'll be onto something else. Bowen, you know, we gotta seize this cutie patootie moment or I will continue.

[A]

To hold down the cutie patootie, you know, mo until I die.

[B]

You're kind of always. You're like, way.

[A]

That's all I got. That's my only sort of. That's the only color I paint with. And that's okay.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

This is my time. And then skinny jeans back in. Not leggings.

[C]

Not leggings. No, no, no, no, no.

[A]

Great.

[C]

No, no, no. It's just, I feel like, like the, the, the wide pleat is no more.

[A]

Got it. Really?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Interesting.

[B]

Do you feel like this is something that other stylists and people in fashion are talking about? Like, like it's, it's, it's a buzz?

[C]

Yeah, I think it's a buzz. I mean, it's also just like everything's just been so, so excessive. Right. And it's just a full vomit. So I think it's sort of time to like clean it up a little bit.

[B]

Sometimes I do see like, like a pant that's really big and I'm like, whatever we doing here? And then I'm like, if you, if you, if you take yourself out of it, like, you'd never wear that unless they. If they weren't telling you that this is what fashion is, you know?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

All right.

[A]

All right.

[B]

We're back. Tight and all.

[A]

I think. Do you shop at or do you do or. I think there's some good jacket. There's good pieces in the Adam Selman uniform from or.

[C]

Okay, I will check it out.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Do you like Wythe?

[C]

I like Wythe.

[B]

I like Wyeth too. They're a new. They're a new discovery of.

[C]

I'm really into 45. I mean, the President.

[B]

The president.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You said you're a gun shooting.

[C]

Exactly.

[B]

Texas going Trump and Trump and Tootin.

[C]

Competitive cheerleader.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Beautiful Venn diagram. Adam Thelma. Wow.

[B]

What a guy. People contain multitudes, Bo. They do now more than ever.

[C]

I hope everyone will tune in and I cannot thank you enough.

[B]

We are so excited. The show is tonight, 7pm on Amazon Prime. And I guess because it's on there, you can stream it in perpetuity.

[C]

Keep it going.

[B]

Keep it going all the time.

[C]

That is very cute.

[B]

Amazon to stay powerful. Fingers crossed. All right, so. This is so fun. You're the best. We're so happy to have you.

[C]

Thank you so much.

[B]

This has been so fun. We end every episode with a song.

[A]

What's my name?

[B]

What's my name?

[A]

What's my name?

[C]

Hey boy, I really wanna see if.

[B]

You can go downtown With a girl like me?

[A]

Hey boy, I really wanna be with you? Cause you're just my type?

[B]

Oh, nah, nah, nah, nah? Cutie for tooties.

[C]

Very cutie for two.

[A]

People contain multitudes.

[B]

Bye.

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You can't spell culturistas without R I.

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That's right. Rhode island is the perfect place not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Eastas too.

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We're talking about the food Easters, the theater Easters, the nature east does the luxuriestas. Whatever you're in Easter for, you'll find it in the Ocean state.

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So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.

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Rhode island, all that.

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Plan your [e-mail] that's visit Rhode Island.com I'm stressed.

[B]

I got invited to a friendsgiving and now there's the big question of what to bring.

[A]

Well, just bring a bottle of Casamigos.

[B]

Oh, Casamigos.

[A]

Of course, nothing brings people together like a batch of Casamigos margaritas.

[B]

A Casamigos margarita really is the perfect cocktail.

[A]

Plus, Casamigos goes with everything.

[B]

Turkey, stuffing, Mac and cheese.

[A]

Oh, I was thinking more cranberry juice or ginger beer, but that works too well.

[B]

You know the iconic rule of culture number 743. Anything goes with my Casamigos this friendsgiving. You know what everyone will be grateful for.

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Cosamigos.

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I was gonna say you and Cosamigos.

[A]

Oh, let's keep it in that order.

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This is an I Heart podcast.