← Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
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Is that culture?
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Yes.
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Goodness.
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Wow. Las culturistas. Ding, ding, ding. Las culturistas calling.
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You really spaced out your. Your syllables there.
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You know, I'm really thinking about the sounds I'm making and being so intentional about them because I'm actually reporting to you live from Grand Rapids, Michigan.
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Let's go.
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I'm in the home state of one Henry Koperski. Are what Rehearsing for the Christmas in December tour and celebrating Thanksgiving. You know, there are some celebrations. There definitely is. Breaking of bread.
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Oh, my favorite thing to break. One of the best things you can break, to be honest. A thing that you break and people are happy that it's broken. And that's a rule of culture number 67.
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Yes.
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Bread.
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See Bread. That's a thing that you break and people are happy that it's broken because everyone's going to be full. The best thing to be outside of happy parentheses generally. Yes, I want to check in with my girl.
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Yes.
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Are you happy Parentheses generally.
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I couldn't be happier.
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She ate that.
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Yeah.
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Let's talk about Wicked for good. A film in which you star fifth billing. I said let's get the sagnom.
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Let me demystify some things for everybody. So the way billing works with these things is not at all commender with someone's involvement important in the movie.
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Hard disagree.
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It is a. It is a thing that are the wonderful brokers, the people behind the scenes with these deals and these contracts work out on your behalf. Trust and believe. I was not out here fighting for billing over my incredible co. Co stars who inarguably do incredible, more important, more emotionally resonant work in this film. Let's just. Let's Just leave that there. And I'm sorry if that pisses people off. It's not my fault. It's just how the biz works.
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Okay, can I say something? Can I say something here? Can I offer something back? I can confidently say you were my fifth favorite thing about the movie. So I'm fifth Bills.
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But Michelle Yeoh and Jeff Goldblum are what, Whatever. Like seventh and eighth. Right?
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Yeah. But everyone knows about the with and the end. The with and the end are only given to people of great esteem. Like they are basically if you are and blank.
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Right.
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What they're saying is thank you for daining to do this.
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Yes.
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No matter what movie you're in, if you are in the and Jeff Goldblum in this case spot, it means thank you king.
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Thank you King.
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It's actually different culture speak for thank you king. Your name means thank you King.
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Or. And there's something very powerful about if it's your name on the credit and then what follows is as the Cowardly Lion.
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Oh, absolutely. Period.
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Or as Dr. Dillamond.
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Yes.
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And that's another cultural way of saying thank you, King to Peter Dinklage and Colman Domingo.
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100%. I would say that with is also. It's like the silver medal. Like, if it's with Michelle Yeoh, it's like thank you, Queen.
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Thank you, Queen.
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Thank you. Really, truly, thank you. But also, like, you're in the cast. Jeff Goldblum occupies rarefied air as the. And. And the only thing more valuable than that. And. Well, yes. Okay.
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Which is, of course.
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And introducing. Oh, and introducing means we are ready to really say something. So here's what I'll say. There wasn't really that. That we didn't get that in this movie. But that doesn't mean there wasn't great esteem in the casting. And when I say when I saw you fifth build, I did the math and I said he was my fifth favorite thing.
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What were the. What were the four?
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Number one. Number one. My favorite thing is the sex slanket. That is number one. My favorite thing.
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And covering. And to get the PG rating, you know, they shot an alternate take where Jonathan Bailey's nipples were covered.
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Let me tell you something. We got no nipple. We got all slanket. I. I log on and I'm like, what did you want? Did you want quivering? Quivering Cynthia Erivo as Elphaba Green? Do you want her quivering with the towel in front of her? Dropping the towel like she's Kate win Winslet and Titanic? No, you need this to be pg. It's wicked. You absolute freaks.
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You absolute freak.
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Also, you want to see thrust.
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This bitch has been living in a tree for the past 12 tide turns. She is cozy. She's comfortable, she's cold, she's out. There's no infrastructure.
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She's comfortable, she's comfortable in her skin. Green. Cozy with who? She is slanking. Bend down, bend out. Rewrite it. Beyonce. No, I'm saying. And then she topped Fiyero. Pegged his hole. You know, it happened. If Johnny had his way. Rewrite the script. So that was number one.
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What an amazing premiere that was in New York. I was so happy you were there.
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Oh, my God. That was. That was the biggest premiere that I think I'll ever go to. It was really so major. They. I mean, they just. They go for it because it is a spectacle. Wait, can I say my other top five thing? And then you give me a BTS fact about all of them? Okay, so one was a sex blanket.
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2.
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Ariana Grande and Cynthia Erivo at the Doors.
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Yes.
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For good. Into the Doors. I swear, I think of you every single time. I really am powerless to that song and that moment because I just think of you. My best friend.
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My best friend.
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And I was sitting across the aisle from you at the premiere, and we were sort of apart, and I was like, girl, who can say?
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And I was. Because I was a couple rows behind you across the aisle, and I kept glancing over at you during that song.
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I didn't want to look back because I didn't want it to be too emotional. I didn't want to. I didn't. I was very emotional.
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That's.
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I know.
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I love you. So for the both of us, I love you so much. Okay, so that's the door. Oh, bts quick. BTS fact about that.
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There's. There's a lot of chatter about how.
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That was, quote, unquote, improvised, because that was. That was said in his. That was said maybe in an interview in passing. So there's. I guess that. Let's just clear something up. There's no way to, like, improvise that. A shot like that, right?
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No.
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What I think what is maybe being lost is that it was found in.
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Rehearsals, and there's a couple of things get lost. So this is. This is understandable.
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Those are kind of a sort of cost. So, like, Ari, Cynthia and John and Chu and Alice Brooks, the amazing, amazing cinematographer. I think they. The. The four of them kind of found that together. And so I think somehow the word improvise got thrown in and that just. That just really confused people. So that. That's actual bts.
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Well, all I saw about it was Ariana saying that there were certain parties. And listen, in filmmaking, there's always going to be certain parties. Actually, rule of culture number nine, in filmmaking, there's always going to be certain parties. And certain parties wanted the scene cut. Like, after they saw a cut and it was fought for and eventually it stayed in. And I'm so happy they did because to me, that's. That's.
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That's the movie, that's the story.
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That's kind of the point. You know what I mean? So that number three, a little bit of Ariana Grande peeking out during thank Goodness, which I think is a conscious choice.
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Oh, yes.
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When all the confetti freezes in the air. And Ariana as Glinda has her private moment, which, by the way, is one of my favorite things about the entire Wicked score, is that moment in thank Goodness. And I thought that part was so nailed, like. And I loved that the moment got so personal that I think is a little bit of a nod. A little bit of Ariana Grande came out in the voice and the vocal. Like, it wasn't as resonant and performative. And she killed that. And I'll put her under my whole three. Like, killed the entire movie. Killed the entire movie. Killed the entire movie. From the second she heard she got the part until the second she finished it.
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What did she say? She was gonna take such good care of her. And then number four, I'm gonna guess.
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No Good deed, you know, no good deed. The fact that. That Cynthia can still. You don't really get how far she is pushing it vocally and how. I'm sorry, but no one else could do it like her because no one could take it to the vocal places it goes. That song is also so difficult to learn to sing. And I got to go with them again. Last night we saw it again and we watched no Good Deed and we all just looked at each other and beamed because that song is so good. And Cynthia, no one can sing it like that and hold that stardom on screen. No one. 100, nobody.
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And to end on a wide with the monkeys and. And Kyumco in the background, that you're showing a lot of. A lot of space. Holding space, as it were, in that shot. And you can still hold the center.
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Yeah. And I think.
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And number five is me. Oh, sorry.
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Number five is you.
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No, you were. No, you wanted to slip something else in there.
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No, I know what number five is? Because I came here with five. I thought fifth, build my top five fanny again. First of all, Mrs. Moral, I know that was improvised. It was.
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That was. Well, that was improvised. And no one. We did not rehearse any of that. Trust and believe.
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Did she just accidentally say she's marvel.
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Bronwyn, Bless her heart. I fucking love you. She is incredible. Give it. Let's give it up for Bronwyn James. Everybody led the shen shen to your fanny. I see you.
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I know what it's like to stand next to this on his left at all times. And I, I felt represented. We.
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We switch sides every now and then, me and her.
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Sometimes.
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Sometimes. And you and I switch sides.
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But you're just comfortable on the right. You just want to be on the right.
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Sure.
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I know this about you.
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We.
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That.
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That was improvised. She said, Mrs. Can I get you anything, Mrs. Morrible? And then, of course, I had to. I had to. I had to check.
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This is Morrible.
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She's married.
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She's not married.
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Shout out Fanny. Today, on the date of this recording, Sunday, November 23rd, is the last performance of Kajay Kennedy, the fanny in Wicked for the past three years on Broadway. I got to meet her at a tai chi a couple years ago.
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It was so amazing. For fannies to meet is Tai chi fanny. That's the best place for fannies to meet is Tai tea. I have never seen so many fannies than when tai tea is popping off.
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Oh, it's all fannies, but it's, it's, it was. I got to meet her then. She's incredible. And then tonight is her last night on Broadway after three years of doing over.
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Three years of doing that role.
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So, so amazing. So proud of you. What, What a work ethic. What a schedule. What a talent. Love you, Kajay. So, so, so cool.
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Well, congrats to the whole team because the movie was a huge fucking hit. Of course it was. Of course it was. I can't wait to see it be made into a theme park. Specifically in Epic Universe, which, by the way, is popping off. Filing permits. They're expanding, girl. They said, they said, let's make the.
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What are you seeing?
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I'm seeing things. Let's just say, like, you know, I've had to go to my little coping mechanisms and you know that one of them is going on like the theme park blogs and checking construction.
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Yes.
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It's a soothing thing for me.
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I'm.
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I love this during a stressful time and so a stressful but Good time. But like, yes.
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Stressful but good. Okay, so you're, you're, you're seeing the permits?
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Yeah, I mean, I think unfortunately they're gonna go. Go kind of ham on Harry Potter.
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Right.
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But we can, we can hope for some stuff. I want to see Zelda get built. And they have the rights.
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Well, I think they're gonna wait for the movie to come out and then. And then see because. And then the first, the first look stills have been released and it looks very, very interesting. A lot of melding of different eras of Zelda. You got Breath of the Wild Zelda. Like Zelda is in her Breath of the Wild. Geesh. But while Link is in his like Twilight Princess geese. It's very. I think, I think we're gonna see.
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I guess Breath of the Wild would be what you'd want to see, right?
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Yes, because it's the most recent and it kind of has the most. Feels the most cinematic in a lot of ways. Like, it's just the scoring is very minimal. It's like, I think they can do really interesting things with a film. Like a very Japanese but still Western quote unquote, like amalgamation. Like there's. There's something just so profound about those games. Like, I would really love to see that be. Be adapted, but maybe, maybe that's too much to ask because it is like a fucking 70 hour game. And how can you distill that to two? But we'll see. That is very exciting. What else in the culture?
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Well, I was just gonna say, like this world of Zelda that you describe.
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Yes.
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Would it be possible to be on a boat that flies like a flying boat? Could. You know what I'm saying? Because I think that's what I want the Zelda ride to be. I wanna fly a boat through Zelda.
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I'm trying to think. There is. There are flying things in. Just say it's possible.
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Just say it's possible.
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Very possible. You will fly on a Zonai device which is. Can be made into a boat.
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Do you think that if we dream it, it's possible? Really?
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Answer yes, but it depends.
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Oh, I hate the trepidation with which you respond, but I asked a question. I should have been prepared for both answers.
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My trepidation is not. Can, cannot be held against your. You're naivete.
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My God, that sentence has never been more true.
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry. It did not feel good to say.
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I have thought of myself as naive for like all week.
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Isn't that such a gorgeous name? Why Are you naive?
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Okay, so I'm. I'm gonna speak on something.
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Okay.
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I was naive to think that I could just, like, post photos of Fraser and I and that people wouldn't be like, oh, it's a hard launch. But I was just so excited that I met the most wonderful person that. And I was just, like, posting about my life and, like, then suddenly it was like, oh, just Jared. So I guess I was naive because I wasn't exactly ready for, like, any attention in that regard because I didn't think people would care.
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You're not thinking about that? You're not thinking about the attention?
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No, I was not. And so. But now that it is out there, I feel. I do. I don't. I recognize that some people listen to this podcast now as it's gotten a little bit more popular and are just like, oh, the guests, or whatever. But, like, I do feel like we've had listeners for a very long time. And so I'm not just gonna, like, not bring up.
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Of course.
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I'm definitely dating Fraser. He's definitely the best.
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The best.
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And Bowen's met him.
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I love him so much.
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And that seems to be the common refrain amongst all of our friends. And so that's that, you know, I adore the boy.
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He's wonderful. I love him.
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And also that will lead me to BravoCon, because this is the Heather Gay episode.
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This is the Heather Gay episode. Our true, true bestie.
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Our true bestie that we made in Cannes. But I do want to say just some Bravo things, because this is because people from Bravo are going to be listening or Bravo fans. Bravo holics. I ran into Melissa and Joe from Jersey. I think the Teresa thing is real. I think that that is genuinely a thing that they're doing, like, off camera. I don't what changed. Congrats to Gia Giudice. She won Special Forces. I want to say congratulations. That does not sound easy to me. The sentence blank one. Special Forces. I'm on my feet.
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I'm impressed. I'm impressed.
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And I met Dolores.
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You met. Oh, my God. You two are kindred spirits. And that is a wonderful woman, a wonderful person, wonderful warrior.
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She put her arm around me and she said, you get me. And I was like, let me tell you something. I do. I was like, you remind me of. And she goes, I know all your aunts and cousins growing up. She's like, I understood when you said that. Like, you really get me. I was like, I'm walking arm in arm with Dolores.
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Ms. Catania. She's a trader's winner, Dolores Catania. Oh, what was the thing that she. And she did with what's her face? It's like she got March, like, text Dolores while she was talking to.
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She texted Marge. Yeah. Something Jackie had said.
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Marge texted Dolores something Jackie had said about her while Dolores was talking to Jackie immediately was like, you said this in the most, like, oh, I wish I had that.
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And I. I will if that.
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If I am confronted in that situation, I will. I will pull a Dolores.
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She is Dolores.
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And I think I publicly, on video sort of, like, gawked at you or just sort of balked at you saying that Dolores is your favorite housewife. I was like, dolores and I. And I do take that back. She makes total sense.
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I think you were just surprised. I was surprised. The thing is, like, I'm so lived in with Dolores. I don't feel the need to be, like, mentioning all the time, like, oh, and by the way, I love Dolores. Like, Dolores is my family. And sometimes family business is private business.
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Yes.
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Like, sometimes family. And I'm gonna raise my voice. Sometimes family business is private business. My God, you're lived in with Dolores.
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I am incredibly lived in. In Sandy girl.
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I literally, when I think of you two interacting, I see so much more than I think I see, like, a travel show.
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Yes.
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I think I see, like, I see real collabs between you and Angie.
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I was texting her as I was watching her fucking fingernail fall off or whatever it was on the yacht. Remember, like, when she was in. She was in the costume and like, she, like, slammed the door on her finger.
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I mean. Yes. The pain.
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I. It.
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It felt.
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I felt it. I felt the pain. For we are connected.
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And I texted.
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I was like, angie, this is the hardest thing I've seen in a long time.
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Yeah.
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Watching you in pain like this is very hard on me.
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Yeah.
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And she was very touched by that. And I think we grew even closer, honestly.
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She's such a warm angel. Just like Heather Gay. I will be on watch what happens live with Heather Gay the day after.
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December is released or the day before.
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The day before Jen Shaw is getting released. And, you know, it's going to be a topic, and I feel like people are going to be watching that app because, by the way, Salt Lake is fully on fire.
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Incredible.
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Fully on fire. Bronwyn is a favorite of mine.
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I love Bronwyn.
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Yeah. I. I have to say, like, this stuff with her husband is becoming really compelling to me. Absolutely. I'm just like. I'm just like, I can't I need to find out where this goes with.
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Todd, with the mom, unfortunately. That mom.
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Yeah.
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I mean, I don't want to. I don't want to comment on the situation too much because it's. It really. Especially after Bravicon, it's like, these are people.
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No. 100%.
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You know what I mean?
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And by the way, Bronwyn, one of the coolest people there.
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Of course.
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Definitely Very chill vibe. Always looked really great. Bronwyn was one of the coolest people there. And also all of the Salt Lake ladies are. They're top tens. I met Marisol. I mean, come on. I got to see some of my faves. I ran into Gina, my Long island girl.
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A
Oh, my God. You and Gina.
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C
Wendy being there was crazy. And now there's even more.
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A
They're saying 40 credit cards, aliases is.
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C
It's really tough. Looking good.
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A
Not good.
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C
Looking good.
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A
I feel for that. I feel for those children. Most of all, I feel for both of them, too.
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C
It's.
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A
Well, this is our episode with Heather Gay. We recorded this a little while back. So we are, you know, Matt and I are not operating from a place of being totally caught up to the below deck crossover. What happened with Meredith and Brittany on the plane, obviously. But we are. We do mostly just, like, shoot the breeze on can and just getting to know each other in the last few months and how special that's been. We do love. Heather's one of us. You know what I mean?
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C
Love Heather. She's a good time. She's a good person. Like, she's. She's just. She's. Yeah, we love and we think you're gonna love this. You just said the words Meredith on the plane. And I got so stressed, reaching, fumbling for my beta blockers. Like, please, no. Anything to calm myself. That's the kind of television we didn't even talk about. Pluribus. Next time, let me catch up.
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B
Oh, wait.
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C
Say what you want to say.
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A
It is incredible. Lot of chatter about how it's like doing the Vince Gilligan thing of having an amazing pilot. Oh, no, not the Vince Gilligan thing, but it's just like the thing recently where it's like, things have an incredible pilot and then they kind of like, Peter off.
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C
But I'm like, that's just.
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A
I think that's just tv.
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C
I disagree.
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A
I think Pluribus keeps the ball in the air in a very, very cool way. Like, I'm really interested to see where this goes. Takes big swings.
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C
Yeah. One thing about it is that is not Vince Gilligan's reputation.
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A
No, I was gonna say that is not his reputation at all. Breaking Bad did not, like pop off with the pile and then simmer down.
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C
That, I would argue, got better as it went. It got so good I had to tap out because of stress. And also Better Call Saul. I mean, I was always told like, oh, Rhea Seehorn, Ray Seehorn for Better Call Saul. And I was like, I just wish that Better Call Saul was something that gave me a little bit of a chub, but never Flora Boose. Pluribus Ploribus Pluriboose.
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A
It is very special. I'm really enjoying it. It has something to say about like a lot of things you can really graft on a lot of things about the current day onto it. Anyway, enjoy it. We'll talk about it when. When you're caught up.
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C
Yeah, we'll see you in a few weeks. We'll check in again before the E O Y.
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A
For now, enjoy this episode with the one and only Heather Day.
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C
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A
Ford shares that belief. It's, like, engineered into their vehicles. An F150 is all steel, sweat, and dreams, right?
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C
Mm. A Ford Bronco is built for adventure. But you've got to get behind the wheel. Can you? Yeah, you can. But you have to first.
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A
You have to. And a Mustang. The Mustang that conquers curves.
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C
You are more capable than. You know. Like, for example, I never thought I could parallel park. I just thought it wasn't something that was going to happen for me in my life. And not everyone gets to have every experience, you know? But then suddenly, I did a parallel park, and I thought, wow, I'm going to apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.
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A
Sometimes you just need to push.
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C
What is it that they say? Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right.
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A
Ready, set, forward.
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My.
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C
Oh, my. Bowen, look over there.
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A
Wow.
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C
Is that culture? Yes.
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A
Goodness.
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C
Wow.
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A
Las culturistas Ding dong.
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C
Las culturistas calling. It's a day that's been in the making.
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A
Hmm.
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C
It's crazy to say, like, well, we connected in the south of France.
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A
Meaningfully. Connected in the south of France at a convention. And then con at CamCon.
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C
Cam, cam, con.
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A
I'm so sorry.
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C
Convention in Cannes.
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A
That's right. And struck up a true genuine friendship. And then she shows up to the culture Awards, slays it.
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C
Crushed.
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A
Crushed. They were the most.
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C
The biggest stars in the room.
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A
The biggest stars in the room.
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C
Well, yeah.
- [31:18]
A
Kristen Wagg does her. Comes in for rehearsal. She does her thing. She, you know, sees all these place goes, oh, yeah, this person's here. This person's here. Freezes in her tracks. The Salt Lake City girls are coming.
- [31:26]
C
I said everyone except Whitney, who's touring in Australia. Just to let you know how big the lives have become.
- [31:35]
A
They're touring in Australia, touring in Australia.
- [31:37]
C
At the awards, here, there, everywhere.
- [31:40]
A
I mean, this is a historic episode. Correct me if I'm wrong. Our first in person housewife. In person guest.
- [31:49]
C
Yeah.
- [31:50]
A
Of a current housewife.
- [31:51]
B
Yeah.
- [31:51]
C
I think you're right.
- [31:52]
A
We've obviously had Housewives on before, but this is breaking new ground. And I couldn't think of anyone better.
- [31:57]
C
No. Because I think that we've been on record as saying that Salt Lake City is the girl. She's the one.
- [32:03]
A
John Oliver went on Colbert and even kind of espoused to the audience the ways in which it is Shakespeare.
- [32:11]
C
Yeah. You start seeing it crossover. We actually were just in P town and we rewatched season two's what we can only call what goes down in the beauty lab parking lot. It doesn't stay in the beauty lab parking lot. It's all over television and television history.
- [32:24]
A
But that is minute by minute, perfect television.
- [32:27]
C
I would agree. And it continued to be New York Times bestselling author of Bad Mormon and good Time girl, star of Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. From the beginning, very much the. And I think that everyone would agree very much the protagonist of the show.
- [32:40]
A
Mogul, Beauty lab and laser. I'm dying to go.
- [32:45]
C
Oh, we're going.
- [32:45]
A
I want to get an Ulthera treatment there.
- [32:47]
C
And actually I want a little bit of a consult on the episode.
- [32:50]
A
Oh, yeah, yeah.
- [32:51]
C
And I'm not scared of it.
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A
I'm not scared of it either. Let's do it.
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C
This is, I say fearfully, this is our.
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A
Our truly dear friend.
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C
We love her.
- [32:58]
A
The one, the only Heather Gay.
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C
Your own lost cult.
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B
I am so honored to be on Les Coach. Never thought this day would come, but.
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C
I knew it would come.
- [33:08]
B
I just feel like a final. It's like important that it's happening now. I think my phone is ringing.
- [33:13]
C
Well, what could they. What could they possibly be saying? Angie Katsunevis. Pick up the phone. Pick up the phone. Pick it up and put it on speaker.
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A
Put on speaker.
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B
Hey, Angie.
- [33:22]
C
Oh, she hung on it.
- [33:23]
A
Damn.
- [33:24]
C
So wishy washy, that one.
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B
Listen, she probably panicked. She's on right now.
- [33:28]
C
She probably realized it and we want.
- [33:30]
A
Her on too, for the phone call.
- [33:32]
B
Listen, Angie K. Is an incredible friend, an incredible housewife. Also recommended before the sizzle reel. Buy me.
- [33:41]
C
Really.
- [33:41]
B
And on my behalf. And I recommended her year after year until she finally was on there.
- [33:45]
C
Which was what? Season three, they brought her in.
- [33:47]
B
Season two, they revisited and she came on as a friend. Season three, she was a friend. And then like full time.
- [33:52]
C
Yeah, but you knew from the beginning.
- [33:54]
B
Yeah, she represents such a huge part of Utah and of Salt Lake City, specifically the Greek community. And she has been exactly who she is since she was 15 years old. Sitting like reverse on her desk in Mr. Carter's math class, like with a scrunchie on top of her head, entertaining all of us not knowing a single answer to a single math problem. And me being so glad I was in a lower math class so I could just have have fun and make friends and still pull an A.
- [34:22]
A
Yes, but this was the same math class you're saying that you saw.
- [34:26]
B
Yeah, this is 10th grade, Mr. Carter's math class.
- [34:29]
A
But then clear this up, because wasn't the narrative on the show that you guys did not get along in high school? No. Am I getting excited?
- [34:35]
B
The narrative on the show was that she hurt my feelings by coming on the show as Lisa's friend and Jen's friend.
- [34:40]
A
And that is real.
- [34:41]
B
And so when she. So the first scene I had, I was like, I don't like. And I'm not gonna accept her.
- [34:47]
A
And look where we are.
- [34:48]
B
So then we like. But you know what? We, you know, the true nature of our relationship superseded kind of all of that show bs. You know, that happens. It's a weird thing.
- [34:59]
C
You can tell. I mean, it was a great moment. Like, we were getting ready for the Culture Awards. It was the night before, and I was really racked with nerves. And I remember Melissa and I went back to the hotel and I look across the lobby and there's Heather and Angie coming in from like, I don't.
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A
Know where you guys have been.
- [35:16]
C
You guys have been out the night before the Culture Awards, having so much fun, cackling, laughing, looking like peas in a pod. And I was like, see, we haven't really seen this version of Angie and Heather on the show yet. And then to watch it in real life, I'm like, oh, this is like a part of the show. I want to see like the two of you.
- [35:35]
B
I think you will see more and more of it, you know, because as the friendships change and evolve and deepen, we just are more comfortable not hurting other people's feelings by hanging out all the time. You know what I mean? It's just the nature of it. It's deepened our relationship in a way that is really important to someone at this phase of life for me, you know what I mean? To have a high school friend. I've known her since she was 15 years old.
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A
Yeah.
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C
The picture you paint of her is so visceral. Sitting on the desk with the high pony, like, not knowing that green and.
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B
White striped gap rugby shirt, collar popped.
- [36:12]
A
Rugby shirt. So she's so of the current time in that. In that garbage. But see, doesn't that. I wonder how you do with that refraction of. Oh my God, this is someone I've known since 15. Also. We're on TV together, representing something about Salt Lake City and there's just all this other stuff and you guys just have to perform a version of yourselves in a way that like, is authentic, but also, like, you need to like, draw some connection to like that younger self of you. Like that younger version of you.
- [36:44]
B
Yeah, the younger version of us. And I think that's what makes it so fun and deepens our friendship is because you could put us at 7:11. We're gonna be doing the same bitch.
- [36:54]
C
You know what I mean?
- [36:55]
B
Like, when we're together, we're kind of. It's just that energy feeds off each other. And I'm always performing. I've been performing since I was in kindergarten. You know what I mean? Like, everything's more fun if it's a bit performative.
- [37:07]
C
Yeah, well, you gotta amp it up. Thank you for don't we know.
- [37:10]
A
I think you're putting the hard T on kindergarten.
- [37:12]
B
Well, kindergarten, because I.
- [37:14]
A
No, it's the way it's spelled.
- [37:16]
B
Kindergarten. I am a word Smith. I am a best selling author.
- [37:23]
C
What did that feel like when it. When it. Not only when it came out, but also like when Bad Woman went on that bestseller list. That's crazy.
- [37:31]
B
Yeah. Bad Mormon. The book has been for sure, like the greatest jewel of all of this experience. And not only because it felt great to like write my story and process all that, you know, it's so cathartic, it's so therapeutic. And it was just. It felt like an incredible privilege to revisit that and, like, kind of honor the girl I was then and like, that I was in a position now to look at it with perspective because I tell people a lot. They're like, oh, when is he gonna leave the church? Or when is she gonna leave the church? And I'm like, it's not leaving the church is like, it's like leaving who you are. And the only way I've seen it happen for people like me is if something bigger comes along, right? Something bigger comes along that offers you more than what you've always counted on, because that's kind of, you know, ambition, the human spirit, the drive to exceed. And like Housewives came along and offered me more than I ever anticipated I could have. And the book gave me the opportunity to explore that. And so the book has been my great connector. I meet people on the streets. It's what they love. They resonate with it. We're doing a documentary about it. You know, it's like, it means so much to me. And I was posing for an ad where I had to hold it. And so I was just kind of like reading it, laughing out loud. I love every word. I'm so proud of it. And, like, I hope it outlasts me for 100 years, you know? Yes.
- [39:02]
A
I think your story, I think you talking about leaving the church being this, like, developmentally important, the most important thing in any Mormon's development, former Mormon's development as they leave the church, is kind of like your defining thing is like, like a boundary breaking person, right? It's like you, bro, like the boundary was the church. For a second you broke out of that. Then you're, you know, in order to define that though, you have to get in the boundary first, right? And so like, whether that's like Housewives, whenever you, you know, however long you do that, at some point you will break out of that boundary. But it requires getting in the boundary first and it requires sitting down to like, write the book. You know what I mean? Like, that is part of that is the action of, like, breaking out of. Of whatever box people have put you in.
- [39:51]
B
That's exactly how it happened. When I was first approached, I couldn't even read the email saying, write a book called Bad Mormon. I mean, I shut the laptop. It was just so. I would never have put my name, my face on anything derogatory about the church or about who. I still wasn't sure. I wasn't, you know, and then just through time, like, you start to like, recognize that boundary becomes less oppressive. And like, less defined defining of your options in life, you know? And like, now I couldn't think of a better title. You know, I wanted to be a good Mormon. It was very hard for me.
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A
Yeah.
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C
It's also an incredibly sticky title. You know what I mean? Like, Bad Mormon is a title you just don't forget.
- [40:31]
A
And you get.
- [40:32]
C
You. Not only are you explicitly saying what it is, but also as you read it, you discover, like, it's about self judgment, which is like so much. And it's really. I guess it's kind of similar to coming out of the closet.
- [40:43]
B
Right.
- [40:44]
C
It's like you do that and then I think there's like a perception of, like, oh, this person left the Mormon Church. They left, you know, Scientology. They're coming out of the closet, they're leaving a marriage, et cetera. Good for them. That is when the work really starts, because that's when you find out who you are. And I feel like one of the really compelling things about the first, really few seasons and ongoing of Salt Lake City Housewives is, of course it's fun, because it's a housewives franchise. Franchise in. Franchise.
- [41:14]
A
Franchise in this house.
- [41:15]
C
Franchise.
- [41:16]
A
Yum.
- [41:17]
C
It's in this bespoke place, Salt Lake City, which we hadn't really explored before. But what was the most compelling thing was, I think especially you. You're. You're watching. You find out who you are. You know what I mean? Like, seeing your limits, even with alcohol, with going out with doing all these things, it's all of it. It's really very fascinating. And I wonder what you get watching it back.
- [41:40]
B
Well, in a way, I feel like I got back what I felt reality TV gave to me when I was living in such a culture bubble. You know, my bubble of culture was so intact that, like, it took a lot to penetrate that. And reality television as a married woman was the first time that I saw examples of women that weren't Mormon dutiful wives. Like, that's how inclusive my world was. And I think that it's like watching people live their lives out vicariously. And I've said it a few times, but, like, there's that scene when Tamara's in the back of the limo with whatever, you know, I don't remember his name now. Cause he's nameless, but. And she says, I want a divorce.
- [42:24]
C
Simon.
- [42:25]
B
Simon. She's like, I want a divorce. And like, I heard her say that. It penetrated my heart. And I thought, oh, my God, that would feel so good to say, wow, I'm watching a Woman say something that I could never say. I could never even think it. And, like, watching that just became a way to, like, you know, suddenly see beyond the world that you were expected to live in forever.
- [42:51]
A
But that was what kind of, like, chipped at the veneer for you was. Was reality television?
- [42:55]
B
Yeah, well. Oh, the whole point to get back, I forgot I got so distracted, is that that gave a lot to me. So when I had the chance to be on the show and be a housewife, I knew that no matter ugly whatever was coming, I was just gonna put it all out there because I wanted to put out into the media. That gave back to me, you know what I mean? Contribute to the forum that gave me what I needed. And what I needed was vulnerability, authenticity, and just women speaking unfiltered. And so on the show, I felt an obligation to the audience, to reality TV as a genre, and to my own opportunity. Like, I'm here. I'm not gonna take it from someone else. That's gonna be real, you know what I mean? And I'm just gonna do it. And that's kind of the sacrifice. But it's so humiliation abounds, you know?
- [43:51]
A
Well, I mean, of course, putting yourself out there is quote, unquote, like, humiliating in some fashion. Right? Like, even we experience a degree of that. But it's like to have the books, plural, even Good Time Girl's a really sticky title you can't forget, especially because.
- [44:08]
C
Of it popping up on the show, episode one.
- [44:11]
A
But I think with the books, that is such a. I mean, it's the way I feel about the podcast in a concurrent sense of like a show like snl, where it's like, I'm in service of something else in an ensemble, and it's wonderful. But then having the podcast with my best friend is like a fucking lifeline. Cause I'm like, oh, I get to make sense of things with someone I love. One on one. We bring in people we love. And that is, I'm sure, in some sense, more isolated what the book is probably.
- [44:40]
B
Yeah, absolutely. And it's in your zone, you know.
- [44:45]
A
But in terms of the genre of reality TV, you know, @ this point that the show and what you've contributed to it is the peak of it. Like, it is the best reality TV maybe ever.
- [44:58]
C
I really thought a couple times there.
- [44:59]
B
Should have been no reason Housewives of Salt Lake City in general, or the.
- [45:02]
A
Whole Housewives of Salt Lake City.
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C
No, I think that it's like. It's like the Housewives of Salt Lake City. I Think stands out. And I don't know if you can really feel that, because probably you understand because, like, there is, like, a buzz around it, and you can just see. But sometimes, like, when you're. When it's you, you can't really tell what it is that's hitting because there's this weird, like, what's, like, dysphoria almost about, like, what is, like, actually in the world and what is my algorithm telling me? But, like, we're out here on the outside of it being like, Salt Lake City feels different because it tells a new story. You know, a lot of the other Housewives franchise, I think that what the issue is with some of them is it feels like we're not telling new stories. Sometimes it feels a little bit repetitive. With Salt Lake City, it's like, a couple things. These are women that pass the ball where it's a true ensemble, and it feels like we're hearing new stories. And I think that that's, like, I don't recognize any of the stories being told on this franchise.
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A
And, gosh, they were even playing a game with Angie K. And Demi Lovato on Watch what Happens Live, where it was, you know, Angie or Demi picking, like, from each of the cast, like, most likely to do this, this, that. And they just had all of your headshots. And just even above the nose. Above the nose. I was like, these are indelible people. They're iconic, recognizable women, and we salute the contribution.
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C
It's basically cast in a way that has to be sometimes frustrating when you want to rip the throats out of your cast members, because you know that it's like a cast that kind of can't change. Like, sorry, bravo.
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B
We can't. We've tried. You know, we can't. You know, we all think that we can evolve and change. We all think we're improving, and we just are exactly who we are. And there's so much comfort in that to me, you know, Like, I love people that are awful and people that are great. I love all people, you know, But I just like when they show up, and I know what to expect. Consistency is key, and I think Salt Lake City brings these consistent personalities. Cause we're authentic to who we are.
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C
Yeah. I think my favorite moment from the premiere, and we were commenting on this, was when Whitney Rose admits that her business failed. And it's. It's. That is because as a housewife, there's all this, like, modern expectation. And, you know, Salt Lake City housewives, I remember they did that book, like, Not All Diamonds and Salt Lake Housewives isn't even in that because of how new it is in the grand scheme of things. Like, it's this, like, post Housewives Housewives show where all of you come in and, like, are expected to not only hit the ground running as, like, entertaining pop culture figures, but also business people. You know, if you do it correctly, putting in air quotes, you have something outside the show for you. And I thought that her sharing that it did not go well, especially when such a huge part of her narrative when she was starting it was how badly it needed to succeed because Justin had lost his job at the time. Like, I think that that was a really important moment because I do think you guys are at a point where it could go in the direction that is like, we know what we've got here and so let's continue to produce it. Or we know what we've got here and what makes us special is the authenticity. And that felt like an authentic, real moment of her being like, hi, I failed. Let's talk about it.
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B
Yeah. And Brittany, don't bring it up. Five minutes into the RV trip.
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A
You know, I mean, Britney's being herself too. Everyone's being themselves.
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B
Exactly. Which is why it works. And I think that there is we. Really. Something that's unique about Salt Lake City is that we really are all each other has. And I don't know, I can only speak for myself, but being on the show doesn't have a lot of currency in our community. Not at the grocery store, not at the mall, not amongst our closest friends and family. They really don't talk about it. They don't acknowledge it. Certainly with me. They don't talk about the book. You know, they don't talk about this. Like, they just talk to you about your children and like, innocuous things. Like probably with Whitney it's soccer and with Lisa, it's Henry. You know what I mean? But they don't give us any currency for the fact that we are on this show that is such a hit and that has changed our lives so fundamentally. And I think part of that keeps us like, you know, tight and humble. And I mean humble, but tight. And it makes the show that much more important and our stories that much more cogent because it's, you know, it's all contained.
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C
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C
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C
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A
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C
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A
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C
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A
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C
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A
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A
Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.
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C
True. But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.
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A
Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Right.
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C
Ready.
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A
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C
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A
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C
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A
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C
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A
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B
And you know what?
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A
I deserve luxury. You do?
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C
And me too.
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A
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C
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A
Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.
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C
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A
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C
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A
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A
You have this memory of Angie. Hi, pony, green rugby shirt. What is your memory of us going to be going forward as you go? Oh, I've known mountain bone for 15 years.
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C
Yeah. What's the image?
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B
Listen, guys, cans lions, which we all.
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C
Can'T remember a specific one because we were so turned.
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B
Well, I mean, listen, I can remember. Can I take a minute?
- [56:53]
C
I don't mind. And I'll say it. It's me. I remember I was over with a couple of the summer house people. I turn around, I see it's you sitting on a bench crying. And Bowen is on his knees in front of you, clasping your hands like this. And you guys are having one of the most emotional moments in humankind history. And I was kneeling.
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A
I was kneeling.
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C
And you were talking about how it had been your first time in Cannes since your Mormon mission. And you were talking about that a lot during the press that we were all doing together. That's wild. That's wild. Out of all places in the world, that's where they sent you as someone that's then supposed to be like, like, well behaved in like one of the horniest, most gorgeous places in the world. And then that you randomly for this thing later, years and years later, when your life is totally different, you're also sent there on a different mission, which is to tell your new life story.
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B
Yeah, crazy. And that's like I thought when I was there as a Mormon missionary, I thought I was of the world, you know, this worldly bilingual, you know, change maker. And I thought I could never be this happy. Cause I was so indebted in the service of others. My testimony of the church was so strong. I was doing the Lord's work. I was ruining people's lives. And it was for the right. You know what I mean?
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C
You were incredible Mormon.
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B
I was. So I thought, I am. This is who I was born to be. And I could never be happier. And at the same time, I was miserable. And it was so hard. And it was. Was soul gutting. And to come back there now and feel like the same person, the same enthusiasm, the same ambition, the same zest for life and for the people. But to be there on terms that were authentic to me, it just felt like, how. How did I get this opportunity? And that's what I was weeping to Bowen about.
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C
Yeah, yeah.
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B
It looked like, I'm here, you're here. And who gets to do that?
- [58:51]
A
I mean, I think you were also just exhuming all of these things that maybe you had forgotten about. I remember you very distinctly telling me while I was kneeling to you, you were like. I think that was when you were like, we would have to get like the church told us for these missions that you would go into people's houses and within one minute be on your knees with them and pray. Like it had to be that. It's like the salesperson hit.
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B
We trained, we trained. We had conferences where we trained. We'd walk up and say if they opened the door to us and said, you know, these two beaming missionaries, you know, in T shirts and full dresses, we have a message of hope and love for your family. Can we come in? If they said come in, we grabbed their forearm and said, can we offer a prayer? And knelt down.
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A
Within one minute or five, Was it one or five?
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B
Within one minute. Within one minute.
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C
Get on the ground, they said, because.
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B
And they said, like most people when you kneel, they're like gonna kneel. That's just human nature. And most kind people in the world are never gonna turn down a prayer. Sure, offer us a prayer, throw us a prayer bone, and then be on your way. But then you kneel down with them and you pray with them that they will be open to receive the message that you're about to give them. And it felt highly manipulative, but it's.
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A
Also at the same time, I mean, yes, just the intention is maybe manipulative, but then if you're describing like just offering a prayer to someone, there is like, it's so dissonant. There is a kindness to that.
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B
Of course, there's a kindness and love. But like, why make them kneel? Why do it in a way that we know is a tactic to get us to stay there longer and to in effect shame them for turning us out?
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A
Uh huh.
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C
Because I'm sure that what they're arming you with is of course, these skills. But what's behind it is the fact that you genuinely believe that what you're going to do is better their life, change their life. So that's an indoctrination. Yeah, that's you being indoctrinated in something. That's not you manipulating. It's simply, it's actually you really trying to help.
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B
And that's why I find the church so fascinating and the culture that comes out of the church so fascinating and the fact that I had three daughters that I was training to be that exact version of me, and now one's living on the Upper west side of New York City, One's at University of Miami in a sorority I don't even want to mention.
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C
Yeah, no, you don't go to university. You're not a sorority girl at University of Miami. And not raging.
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B
Exactly. And then I have my freshman daughter at Utampa and like none of my friends kids have even left the state of Utah and a lot of them are married. So I'm an anomaly in my neighborhood and in my community. And Angie is one of my true friends from high school. That is. I mean, think of that. You know, like, everyone else we know is married with. And some of them are grandparents already.
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A
So that's what you're saying, like, that's what tightens you. That's what humbles and tightens.
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B
There's not a lot of people like us in our community at all. At all. Not a lot of women business owners, not a lot of women entrepreneurs. The highest brand you can get at our Nordstrom is Rag and Bone.
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A
Yeah, it's a good brand.
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C
It is good.
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B
I love Rag and Bone and I love citizens of humanity. But. But sometimes the audience wants us to show up and be more.
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A
That's what you mean. Yes.
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C
And we love our audience. I do want to ask about that, too, because again, like, Salt Lake City being relatively new, even though it's in its 60s, and it still feels like it was born after the creation of what a quote unquote, real housewife looks like is, et cetera, what that image was born into, you know, televisions, television watching communities. Heads. So when you show up and the nicest store in your Nordstrom rack is the Rag and Bone, which is really for men. Right? Don't they really?
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A
They just kind of make more. It's more. Yeah.
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C
Yeah. So they weren't even helping you gendered, Matt. No, what I'm saying is just like the. The op. The opportunity, sure, but also expectation to be as glam as Erika Jayne. Like, what goes on there when, like, you collide with the other housewives. That has to be so intimidating. Of course, I'm talking about, like, girls trip, but also BravoCon and like, watch what happens live. And just like, you know, showing up as a housewife. How did that feel? How are we interacting with that?
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B
Well, for me, it was like. I mean, I did everything in a stretchy Zara. Every confessional's either stretchy Zara or Macy's or Dillard's, you know, prom. 50% off for my first season. And that's like this set the stage of life I was in. Also the clothes that fit me. So, I mean, I felt like I was doing the best I could and I admired. I had such a fandom and respect and, like, knowing how hard it is to, like, just do all of it, you know, these. There's not a lot of women over 40 thriving and doing these types of things. So, like, these are the first mentors in my life. Like, the first women that I saw get divorced and thrive, that I saw not have six children and still have a fulfilling life. Not talk about Casual sex. I mean, I know this sounds naive, but, like, this is the world I lived in. So everything to me was like. I mean, I didn't feel threatened. I felt like, you know, take me with you.
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A
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Inspired me.
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B
Show me the way. Inspired and just. Yeah, inspired for sure.
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A
It showed you another way. And honored also.
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B
Embarrassed, but honored. You know, you don't wanna bring him down.
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A
I don't know.
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C
I think, like, I get that.
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A
Cause you talked about this while we were in Cannes on a panel, and I think you were just saying, like, I saw Housewives and it broke the mold on what women my age could do, what the possibilities were.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I think that is going to be true for a while for every woman in America. You know, it's like every woman who maybe is a single mom or, you know, an entrepreneur or like, just is juggling all these quote unquote unconventional things, especially in a very conventional, conventioned place like Utah or, you know, in the Mormon Church. Like, you're talking about something very powerful about television and media. And I think you've, like, taken that mantle so well. And I think that is. I think that is why people really kind of like, are drawn to you as a housewife. And they say that you are the protagonist of Salt Lake. Cause you understand, as it were, the assignment. My memory of you is. Hold on. Is this phone background that. I still have Heather Gaye smoking a cigarette. That is you in a red dress. A good time girl.
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B
I said, I'm going to smoke and I'm going to drink when I'm in Cannes.
- [65:36]
C
This time we almost got you to hook up with that guy, remember? But then we found out he was gay.
- [65:42]
B
Well, they always are. He picked you up, the redhead. And I wept because I'd never been thrust on a man's shoulder like that. I did.
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C
You were weeping the whole time.
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B
I mean, I. I was pure joy. Did we not have the most spectacular.
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C
We had the most amazing time. I will say we got back and were exhausted for weeks.
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A
It took us a month to recover.
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B
She went straight to Beyonce in Paris.
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C
You guys are beyond.
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B
Stop trying to.
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A
We were in the middle of writing.
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C
We were trying to put together the Culture Awards.
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A
You have to imagine we were the middle of writing the Culture Awards.
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B
Can we talk about the Culture Awards?
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A
Let's talk about the Culture Awards.
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B
I mean, what's our time frame?
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C
Because, no, we're great.
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B
The Culture Awards, you guys, that was the blast. It changed. It changed award shows forever.
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A
Stop it.
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B
It's like, it's The Chapel Road of award shows. It's your favorite award show.
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C
Award show next year.
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A
The Chapel Road of award shows.
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C
Having you guys there amidst all of what was happening, What I loved was.
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B
All the throwaway shots. To me having the time of my life.
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C
Absolutely. Love.
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A
You think we were gonna use that?
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C
You know what? I knew we kind of did something there at the end of it. Like, we're walking back in. We had taken a moment to ourselves.
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A
After the show, and we're walking back.
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C
In, and we see the one and only Mary Cosby. And she is in this red sort of be cloaked gown, hooded, with her gloves, full gloves. And she turns to us and she said, I enjoyed myself. And she said, my husband said, you better know who they are. She goes, and I do know who you are. Matt and Bowen. She goes, we need to have a picture. I was like, yes, we do.
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A
The fact that Mary asked for a.
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B
Picture with us, I mean, that was bestowed upon you. I've known her for years. Never have I received such honor.
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C
It was like she was throwing us some bread as ducks. I was like, wow.
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B
It was like Queen Elizabeth looked over and did the handwriting.
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C
That was not a common thing for her to do, right?
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B
No. Yeah.
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C
That's incredible, the fact that. But then it's so funny because in the edit, I was doing the edit of the show, and of course, we're looking for audience cutaways, et cetera. And almost every time the audience was cutting over to you guys, what I loved was how seriously Maryam Cosby was looking at everything. She was just like. I don't know. It did take her, like, a second, I think, to register what was happening. And then at some point, we did win her over. But I was just like, it was a journey.
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B
You won her over. You win everyone over. And, like, it was an incredible, incredible experience.
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A
Well, thank you for doing it.
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B
It. For doing it like it should happen every year. And I want third row seats.
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C
To try.
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B
Oh, my gosh.
- [68:15]
C
What is your favorite show on Bravo? Like, what is the. What it. I have two questions. One, before we ask you the real question, who is the housewife that made you say Housewives was for you as a. As a Real Housewife fan? And is there a show on Bravo besides Housewives? Whatever. That's your fave.
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A
Tamara, perhaps, as you mentioned earlier.
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B
I mean, that's interesting, but, like, no, because Tamara terrifies me. That moment was so raw, and I just really appreciated her for him. But, like, honestly, that said, Housewives could be for me. It never occurred to Me.
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C
Right.
- [68:51]
B
Even until the final call sizzle reel, it still never occurred to me. But honestly, I would say Vicki Gunvalson. Vicki.
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A
Oh, wow.
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B
Vicki Gunvalson. Because I feel like, I feel emotional, isn't that.
- [69:04]
C
It's okay. Honor your emotion.
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B
She just was herself, you know, and was just obnoxious and in the best way, of course.
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A
Of course, yes.
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B
And like got a lot of crap, you know, had to overcome a lot, but just like showed up, had a great business, was proud of who she was, was proud of what she wanted in her relationships, went after it, got it. You know, the, the whole dawn thing was so painful, but I related to it. I could see. And I just think, I just think Vicky's story's pretty remarkable and she deserved, you know, that when she was in that mustard colored velvet dress, I don't remember what she was mad about, but I'm on her side.
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A
Yeah.
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C
You know, the thing about whatever she.
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B
Was mad about, she did serve that show well.
- [69:52]
C
Oh.
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B
And she deserved, you know what I mean?
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C
I think she should still be on it. But that's just my opinion. But the thing about Vicky is she was, it's like we say often, she was always herself. She was always herself. And it's great that she was like the OG of the OC really, the first Real Housewife, because she, it's kind of like when Kelly Clarkson won American Idol, they hit the jackpot. Like Vicki Gunvalson being the first Real Housewife. The family van, they hit a jackpot because there was a. Yeah, there was a model for what this show was and the kind of person that it revolves around. And she is Orange county, you know what I mean?
- [70:34]
B
Like, and you saw how Housewives kind of evolved her, you know, and it's changed my physical appearance and like the way I show up to stuff and that you just, you see how the process, like, changes you. But, like, you know, I just, it's never, I've never thought of that before, but that's just what came to me in this moment.
- [70:50]
C
But I bet you recognize yourself more when you look in the mirror now.
- [70:53]
B
Oh, for sure, Absolutely. Absolutely. Like, I feel like I like, am in my zone and I am so, like, proud of the girl that, like, had to overcome so much more to get me here. Like, you know, I look back and I think the courage and like, the guts. Like, also everyone hated me and was so mean to me. Season one and two, you know, they thought, who is this dummy? Let's oust her. You know, she doesn't represent just like.
- [71:24]
A
The fans or the cast?
- [71:25]
C
The cast. You felt like they were not rooting for you?
- [71:30]
B
Oh, for sure not. Yeah.
- [71:32]
C
Was that jealousy? Because you clearly were this genre.
- [71:34]
B
I thought it was like, I'm not gonna be seen with her. Like. Like, this is beneath my level of socialization of panache and image. And so, yeah, it was really, really hard for me, season one and two.
- [71:48]
C
It's really interesting because I remember, like, after season one was. Season one was a success, especially, like, and it really snapped in. In the last few episodes, and it was kind of a little bit, you guys realizing there was something off with Jen. And then obviously season two, it becomes a pop culture phenomenon. But I remember watching that, and it was very clear in those reunions that people had seen themselves depicted in a way they didn't expect. Like. Like, I think that probably a lot of people did expect to look like the protagonist of the show, which was clearly. And everyone's incredible in their function on the show. But I do think you are. Your story speaks exactly to why a franchise exists in Salt Lake City. And I think that that's kind of just an undeniable, just narrative choice. So that had to be humbling for people.
- [72:39]
B
It's surprising in a bad way to a lot of people. Yeah.
- [72:43]
C
Yeah.
- [72:43]
A
But you were someone with. Who came into the show with self knowledge, which. Which might not have been said for your castmates, and that was probably something that set you apart, but also, like, was very. I don't know, like, a little bit weird for them. I think you probably just, like, were ahead on that potent. Like, hopefully that's how. That's how you look at it in hindsight.
- [73:07]
B
Well, in hindsight, I just think, like, I never thought I would be there, and they never thought I would be there. And then when I was there, everyone was just like, what the fuck? You know what I mean?
- [73:14]
C
Like, in terms of casting at all.
- [73:15]
B
Yeah.
- [73:16]
C
Wow.
- [73:16]
B
Yeah.
- [73:17]
A
You know, I don't want to make this. I don't want to relate this back to myself, but, like, I relate on this level of, like, I never expected to be on a show like snl. I would always watch. I was obsessed with the show. I watched every week. But I was like, you know, what would be a dream? To be a writer? And I was. And it was great. And then it took, like, an audience or maybe like, some coworkers some time to be like, oh, yeah, Bowen's here. You know, but, like. Like, there's something about sticking with it and staying and whether or not you win over the respect of people you at least like, you know, you kind of appreciate the things that are intact about yourself. Like, I, like, I would not say you've changed very much since you've started on the show. You've been yourself.
- [74:00]
B
You know, I just think I'm seen more now, which is a good feeling. A good feeling, but also sad, you know.
- [74:07]
C
Yeah.
- [74:08]
B
That there's so many things that keep people from seeing who you really are.
- [74:11]
A
Wow.
- [74:13]
C
And that's really, really interesting and how in a way, it's like when there's a camera on you, it almost like it emboldens you to say this thing. Like, you do get the sense across the franchises. Like, a lot of people started in marriages on the shows that clearly weren't working. And a lot of people say, like, oh, they went on the show to get a divorce. Maybe not consciously, but unconsciously.
- [74:39]
B
But it's an opportunity. It's a lifeline, you know, Like, I was at the darkest, saddest point in my life when the show came around. You know, I was in a business that was failing. I was trying to build it back up.
- [74:49]
C
Was it failing?
- [74:50]
B
Well, when I bought it, it was. Yeah, like, it was. It was. I started out every day like a thousand dollars in the red. He had taken out like a hard money loan with some offshore person I couldn't even contact, you know, I was just so. I had to like, like build this business. And in building it, I met a lot of people. And that's what connected me to, like, casting. Because I knew a lot of these, you know, hot girls getting injections.
- [75:11]
C
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you.
- [75:13]
B
But the business was a success and that's where I really started to, like, pull myself out. But like, to be on television, that.
- [75:19]
A
Was never, you know, in the plan.
- [75:21]
B
Yeah, it was. Yeah, I mean, in the plan, it was. It was just like.
- [75:25]
C
It wasn't even Alexa kind of dream.
- [75:26]
B
Watching Degrassi junior high is like, you know, 10 year old thinking, you know, if you don't get it as a Nickelodeon kid, you're never gonna get it.
- [75:34]
A
Of course.
- [75:34]
B
You know what I mean?
- [75:34]
A
Of course.
- [75:35]
C
So do you still watch everything on Bravo?
- [75:37]
B
Yeah, I watch everything and I love all of it. And I really love. I love Southern charm. I love Below deck. I love Captain Jason and I love Captain Carrie. And I did Below deck Adventure with Captain Carrie.
- [75:49]
C
I was gonna ask you about what it's like to be on Below deck Adventure.
- [75:52]
B
It was so fun. It was incredible. It was totally incredible. We went to Norway.
- [75:57]
C
Oh, that's so great.
- [75:59]
B
The Fjords, like, things you would never see from land or even on a screensaver on your laptop.
- [76:05]
C
You're like, wow, this is real. And not just a screen saver.
- [76:07]
B
I know. Sometimes I'm just like, this looks just like my screensaver. It's amazing.
- [76:11]
C
I didn't see a lot either. Growing up. We had a working class family on Long Island. So now that I get to my adult life and get to go places like Cannes, it's so amazing. And you do take it for granted because there are so many people that don't have. Have. Even if they dreamed it, don't have agency access, ability to go to all those places.
- [76:31]
B
Yeah. I mean, my first international trip was as a traveling companion for a little person that needed help, like, with their luggage and stuff, because I wanted to see the world.
- [76:40]
A
Where'd you go?
- [76:41]
B
Can. Not Cannes. Sorry. Cancun.
- [76:44]
C
Cancun.
- [76:45]
A
Same town.
- [76:46]
C
So interesting.
- [76:46]
B
Cancun. Yeah.
- [76:47]
A
Probably similar. Cancun and Cancun.
- [76:50]
B
I wept on the white sand beaches of Cancun.
- [76:52]
C
Do that.
- [76:52]
B
I want to come back. Am I going to come back? You know, you just have this angst and this, like, desire for a bigger life, but your circumstances, there's just no path to see it.
- [77:03]
A
Well, and then, like, your parameters change as soon as you have a kid or three kids.
- [77:08]
B
Yeah, like, big mistake. Huge. Don't do that.
- [77:12]
A
I'm like, you know, I mean, I just graduated.
- [77:15]
B
I'm an empty nester. I can say it.
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A
Yeah.
- [77:17]
C
I've been paroled from nine.
- [77:19]
A
Oh, my gosh. How does that feel?
- [77:22]
B
Incredible. It's my rum spinger. I love it.
- [77:25]
A
Yep. Was that true in Cannes or. It was still. No. Was Annabelle still Cannes.
- [77:29]
B
Kicked it off.
- [77:29]
C
Kicked it off.
- [77:31]
A
Annabelle went to Tampa or what?
- [77:32]
B
No, Annabelle went to Tampa two weeks after I got home from Cannes. But, like, Cannes kicked it off for sure.
- [77:39]
C
Wow.
- [77:39]
B
And now it's like I'm being, like, totally intentional about it. We're really working hard. I know you've both recommended me to Raya. I'm still on the wait list.
- [77:48]
C
Wait, what? I recommended you to Raya.
- [77:50]
B
Sam Lansky's putting a word to, like, the CEO. I have every person, Andy. Everyone's working on it.
- [77:55]
C
But that's crazy.
- [77:56]
B
There's something about my age group. Oh, give me a Maybe my emotional stability. I don't know.
- [78:01]
C
But Raya doesn't want to think emotional.
- [78:04]
A
Stability is a prerequisite for Raya, I'll tell you that much.
- [78:07]
C
At least among the gay men, but not online.
- [78:09]
B
I just thought, like, that would be my first foray. But I am being totally like, I want a date now. I didn't want to do it when I was a mom. It's a weird thing.
- [78:18]
C
What's a good first date for. For. For anyone out there that's listening for.
- [78:22]
B
All the straight guys in a group, like at a dive bar, you want.
- [78:26]
C
To do a group date like with.
- [78:27]
B
A bunch of people hanging out. Yeah. And like having a vibe and then like for sure going home together.
- [78:32]
C
Yeah.
- [78:32]
B
Yeah.
- [78:32]
A
Great.
- [78:33]
C
You wanna. You wanna have your. Your one night stand there. I do know your vibe.
- [78:36]
B
We have asking me this.
- [78:39]
C
It's for the people.
- [78:39]
B
Honestly.
- [78:40]
C
It's for the straight guys listening to last coach, which they are. They are. They're out there, are they? No. That. Honestly, a lot of Katie's out there have said, you know, my boyfriend will sometimes try just have you guys on because they'll have indoctrinated them in the ways of Lost Cult and how to.
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B
Look smart and be cool.
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C
What if your WI fi wasn't just WI fi, but the magic holding your whole holiday together?
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A
Well, with Xfinity WI Fi, it kind of is.
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C
Picture this. Powered by their best, most elite high performing tech, this WI fi doesn't just connect devices. It keeps the peace at home during the most wonderful and most stressful time of the year.
- [79:21]
A
It's kind of like having a little holiday helper working behind the scenes, making sure the holiday playlist never skips the beat and the video call with grandma doesn't freeze. Mid cookie tutorial.
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C
It's wifi that keeps your whole home connected so you can actually enjoy the holiday magic chaos free. The best present of all.
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A
Let me paint a picture for you. A holiday movie marathon is streaming in the living room. Your kid is video chatting their friends from their tablet and your partner is shopping for too many gifts and cinnamon candles. Oh, not this season. Not with Xfinity WI fi.
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C
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- [80:13]
A
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- [80:23]
C
What? Someone has to make sure there's exactly the same amount of chocolate chips in each cookie. And what if your wifi could proactively fix issues before they even happen? Well, that's exactly what Xfinity WiFi does. Like the friend who shows up with extra wrapping paper, bows, and tape before you even realize you're out. Because, let's be honest, you never buy enough.
- [80:41]
A
Bottom line, Xfinity WiFi isn't just smart, it's brilliant. And during the holidays, that brilliance, that's a gift. Xfinity. Imagine that.
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C
Who decides what you can do? Who gets to decide what you're capable of? Your boss? Your friends? Some stranger on the Internet? No, no, and absolutely no. You decide. Only you.
- [81:00]
A
Ford shares that belief. It's like, engineered into their vehicles. An F150 is all steel, sweat and dreams, right?
- [81:09]
C
Mm. A Ford Bronco is built for adventure. But you've gotta get behind the wheel. Can you? Yeah, you can. But you have to first.
- [81:17]
A
You have to. And a Mustang. The Mustang that conquers curves.
- [81:22]
C
You are more capable than you know. Like, for example, I never thought I could parallel park. I just thought it wasn't something that was going to happen for me in my life. And not everyone gets to have every experience, you know? But then suddenly I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm gonna apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.
- [81:43]
A
Sometimes you just need to push.
- [81:45]
C
What is it that they say? Whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right.
- [81:50]
A
Ready? Set. Ford.
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C
Visit ford.com to learn more. Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?
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A
Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.
- [82:02]
C
True. But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean Cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.
- [82:08]
A
Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Right? First cruise dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?
- [82:19]
C
Curated dining. Next.
- [82:21]
A
Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean.
- [82:29]
C
Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again, I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.
- [82:35]
A
Yeah, absolutely. The cruises of are kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grown up fun.
- [82:44]
C
Nothing against kids Kids are awesome, but sometimes it's nice to be kid free.
- [82:48]
A
And there's so much included value.
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C
Over $1,000, over $1,000 of awesomeness, all included. Wi Fi soda, top tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants, and even group fitness classes. No hidden fees, no surprise charges. Virgin Voyages gives you the kind of luxury you actually deserve.
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B
And you know what?
- [83:04]
A
I deserve luxury.
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C
You do? And me too.
- [83:07]
A
Yes. There's always something happening on board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties, and more. Boredom doesn't board the ship.
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C
And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.
- [83:30]
A
Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Curacao.
- [83:32]
C
But it's not all go, go, go, Right?
- [83:34]
A
You can totally go into relaxation mode, too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views, and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.
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C
Oh, and did I mention? Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship. The brilliant lady. Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin wow factor.
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A
Book now@virgin voyages.com or contact your travel advisor.
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C
That's virgin voyages.com. okay, so you know how the world is a chaotic, swirling ball of total stress right now. Well, well, we have a new Hulu show from Ryan Murphy that will give you the much needed break from reality. And whether you know it or not, you are already completely obsessed. It's called all's fair. And Ms. Kardashian plays Allora Grant, the most in demand divorce attorney in Los Angeles. Get it? It's All's Fair, as in all's fair in love and war. And she's a divorce attorney. Love it. Now, let's talk ensemble, because Alora does not go it alone. She breaks off from a crusty male dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute, absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Niecy Nash, Betts, Tiana Taylor, and Glenn Close. Yeah, hello, Glenn Close. And of course, you need a villain, so say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis. And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless. And when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way. But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama. Relax, Elora. That's Kim's character has plenty of Twists and turns in her personal life life, her professional life crashes into her personal one. And oh, so how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her besties, of course. So this series has it all. Scandalous secrets, high stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows. Some OMG twists and friendships that rise above it all. And of course, everything is going to look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam. A work hard, play harder lifestyle. Every scene just sparkles. Everybody makes compromises in their lives. Lame men, underpaying jobs. Well, stop. Just stop. And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession. All's fair now streaming on Hulu and on Hulu, on Disney plus for bundle subscribers terms apply. Drama guaranteed. Okay, let's ask you the question, Heather Gay. What was the culture that made you say culture was for you?
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B
So I have like 10,000 of them, obviously. Cause every time I listen, I think of one. But when I was thinking about this one, I was trying to remember, like the first moment that really kind of penetrated the bubble of the culture that I was raised in because it was very, very inclusive. I don't know how to explain it. I was a bubble boy.
- [86:13]
C
Osmonds were it.
- [86:15]
B
I only knew people of my kind and that believed and thought. I thought the world was flat. No one told me different. Everyone reinforced it. And I had one friend, and we're still friends. Jessica Miller. Shout Out. She's in good time, girl. Her older brothers picked us up and brought us home from school one day, which I don't know how or why my mom allowed it, but it did. It happened. And they played Violent Femmes Blister in the sun in the car. And I was probably in like third grade.
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C
Yeah, what a woke.
- [86:46]
A
What was the feeling? What?
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B
Every part of me lit up. You know what I mean? I understood none of it and I understood all of it. And like it changed like my chemistry. And I thought, what is this song? What I know, like knowing I wasn't supposed to be hearing it and like I can never unhear it. And I came alive.
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C
You had a mini awakening.
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B
A mini awakening. And then we went to her house and her brother served himself a cup of peppermint schnapps with ice. He was about 16. In a short glass.
- [87:19]
A
The more 16 year old drinking.
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B
You can have a sip if you want. I of course refused it because I'd already listened to violin Femme.
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C
Right. You were done for the day.
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B
Like the first time that I Had independent income and, like, the ability to go through the cassette tape, you know, at whatever the store was called at the mall back then. It was like, I, like, sought it out. I thought it was, like, illegal bootleg stuff. Like, that wasn't allowed.
- [87:41]
A
So what was the typical music that you were listening to were the Osmonds.
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B
I mean, Osmonds, of course, but, like, Simon and Garfunkel, you know, My parents had great taste in, like, family music.
- [87:52]
C
Classic things.
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B
Classic things, yeah. I loved. But then I got turned on to Indigo Girls and Dar Williams and Sean Colvin, and, like, I just kind of had, like, a deep foray into it.
- [88:02]
C
John Colvin.
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B
Sean Colvin.
- [88:04]
C
Wow. So is that. How are you listening to that? In secret.
- [88:08]
B
Once I started working when I was 15 at Teddy Bear's Frozen Yogurt, and I always had discretionary income to buy music.
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C
He was just talking about how he.
- [88:15]
A
Maggie Moon, Maggie Moose in Utah or Colorado. What were your Colorado years?
- [88:21]
B
My Colorado years, I left in 89.
- [88:24]
A
Oh, wow.
- [88:25]
B
So I was. It was Teddy Bears, then it was Golden Swirl Frozen Yogurt.
- [88:29]
C
So you were a fro yo kid.
- [88:30]
B
I used my experience at Teddy Bears to leverage a lead employee position at Golden Swirl, which I really manipulated from the beginning.
- [88:38]
C
Being entrepreneurial about it.
- [88:40]
B
Always. Always. Yeah. Yeah.
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C
So I connect with this. I remember my song was the Roof by Mariah Carey, and it was just about like the rain hitting her skin on the roof while she made out with who we found out later was Derek Jeter, and that that was her sexual awakening. And I believe I was eight or nine listening to it. And there was something about it that I didn't need to really understand it to understand it, you know? And music is special like that.
- [89:06]
B
Don't you think it is? And, like. And when it comes from a source and you think it's like another world, like, there's another world and realm that exists that I have not yet been introduced to, and I want to.
- [89:18]
C
And how are people even thinking to express themselves like this, exactly?
- [89:22]
B
Because it never would have occurred to me.
- [89:24]
A
Right. But that song in particular, did the brother tell you who the violent thumbs were? What, this? Like, no.
- [89:33]
B
No, I just, like, it happened in a vacuum. That song is clear and occluded. You know what I mean?
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C
Yeah.
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B
I just understood it. I don't know. I felt it, like, awakened me.
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A
Okay.
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B
I wanted to stain the sheets. I don't know what that.
- [89:51]
C
Yeah, you wanted to stain the sheets. You even whispered in here. You know, things about stains and the sheets, they happen.
- [89:58]
B
Girl, I don't even know why.
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A
You know, they were eating dinner in bed.
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C
Yeah. They were eating pasta. They had arrabbiata sauce all over them. That's what it was. Who knows?
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B
It could be a million things. Let's not ask questions. Let's just listen and feel the music.
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C
But it's. You know what it is. Like that song, and very in particular, we say this word a lot. Serrated.
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A
Serrated.
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C
Unforgettable.
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A
Basically.
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C
It's like, there.
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A
It's got a rough edge.
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C
It's got a rough edge.
- [90:24]
B
I understand. Serrated. Exactly.
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C
You know what I mean?
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B
Lots of ups and downs.
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C
Cuts right through Seraida.
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B
You.
- [90:33]
C
You know what I mean? You've had to cut through your life.
- [90:35]
B
Yeah, absolutely.
- [90:35]
A
Yeah.
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C
I love that answer. Because it's private. You know what I mean? It's like a very private, explicit, illicit thing. And just had to rub against everything you had been told about the way you should feel. And just that as the culture that made you. Heather Guy say culture was for her is like. You can. Can feel the memorability of that.
- [91:01]
B
Yeah. And like, it's. It's tangible. Like, this. I'm not gonna be able to be who I'm expected to be. This is gonna be harder than I thought.
- [91:08]
A
You know, that is quite queer.
- [91:11]
B
Oh, I feel. I have, like. I feel like you feel a connection. I feel like I write from a queer perspective. I really do. Like, I feel like my books have quite a queer perspective, if I'm allowed to say this at a program.
- [91:23]
C
Yeah, you are.
- [91:23]
A
It's about. This is what I'm saying.
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B
I can't be queer. I'm only.
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A
You're breaking out of a boundary. You're breaking out of something that, you know, someone else has sort of like, boxed you into. And now. Now you're in control of. Well, I'm gonna get into the box because that's part of my process. That is part of my identity as an artist, a writer, you know, all of these things. A public figure. All these things should be, you know, I think are already driven by that idea. I'm being a little like, I'm totally with you.
- [91:50]
B
And in terms of culture, I mean, think of your podcast and. And speaking on culture. Isn't there something fascinating about the fact that I came out and my only mentors of culture are housewives? These are the women that I am figuring out how to be, how to form my life after. I mean, think about when you came out. You have to think of what kind of person am I gonna be? And I have no examples of that. I knew no divorced women thriving or with their own businesses. None. And so now it's like. And I see women now that have overcome and have resilience. Erika Jayne is a huge inspiration to me. The way that she is just, like, reinvented, and she's. You know, I just admire that, like, the tenacity, the resilience, the grit. Like, it is not hard. It is not easy out there, and it is not easy to come back from, like, people being really horribly cruel, you know, and still shining.
- [92:46]
C
Yeah. I feel like also when you went on Ultimate Girls trip and that that was a hard season to watch.
- [92:52]
B
It's so hard because you realize quickly that you're a guppy in the fishbowl. And I didn't come in thinking, like, I really did come in like a fan, like, excited to make fun TV with these incredible dynamics, which is what it should be. That's how I feel about it. Like, for me, the creative process of it is like, I am a theater kid. I grew up doing roadshows and family performances and talent shows. And, like, I was a pianist. Like, this is what I love to do. So it seemed fun. We're gonna have theme nights and dinners, and we're gonna all give each other shade and laugh, and you don't understand or expect kind of the menacing or the meanness of it. And I really learned. I mean, that's when I became really close with Alexi and Marisol.
- [93:35]
C
Really?
- [93:35]
A
I was a great girl.
- [93:36]
B
I was with them on Sunday at the Miami game. We are close.
- [93:40]
C
We love Alexi and Marisol.
- [93:41]
B
I love Alexi and Marisol. They are the real deal. And they defended me right out the gate on that trip. And they also gave Whitney hell for not supporting me. They were true friends. And so I think those types of dynamics give everyone an opportunity to kind of show their true colors.
- [93:59]
C
Yeah.
- [93:59]
A
I mean, there's the mistake that I'm gonna say as a non housewife, but I'm gonna kind of.
- [94:05]
B
You could be one Sophie's.
- [94:09]
A
There's a mistake housewives make. What I think Giselle's guilty of constantly, which is, like, it's. It's the way that, like, some people think, like, meanness is funny by default. Especially like, when. Like, when guys, like, flirt with you. Like, they're like. They kind of, like, neg you a bit. Like, they're mean to you, and you're like, wait, no, that's not. That's not hate.
- [94:27]
C
It never works.
- [94:27]
A
There's not as charming or that's not winning anyone over the way you think it is. I feel like Giselle and a certain subsect of housewives do that, where they're like, let me be. Let me just be nasty and cruel. And then, like, let me drum up this, like, inane drama with, like, this class Azul bottle. It's like, who fucking?
- [94:44]
C
That was so lame. It just also wasn't fun to watch. Do you think she would have been kinder to you if the cameras weren't rolling? And has she been kinder to you since?
- [94:51]
B
She's totally kind to me off camera. Well, there's single moms with three daughters, you know? Like, she's. She's like, we had fun, didn't we?
- [94:57]
A
And I'm like, did we?
- [94:58]
B
We did not have fun, ma'. Am.
- [95:00]
C
I mean, she made, like, a really nasty comment about our friend Joel Kim, booster penis size.
- [95:05]
A
And then it was racist. It was racist, but it.
- [95:08]
C
It was just, like, not cool. And then we were checking in with him, and he was like, no, I thought we were totally great. Just like, kind of an example of someone who's one way and then another, which I, I. I sometimes wonder. I'm like, do people think we can't tell? Oh, we can't tell, you know? But then again, there she is, a success on the show year after year. Clearly, they keep her.
- [95:28]
A
But she's. I don't know.
- [95:30]
C
She's a.
- [95:30]
A
She's a success in her little fiefdom. She's a success in a very limited capacity. Like, no one outside of, like, this fandom specific to Potomac gives a shit.
- [95:42]
C
She makes things happen, which is what I think.
- [95:44]
B
So I also think, honestly, she's incredibly beautiful.
- [95:48]
C
She's very beautiful.
- [95:48]
B
And definitely she's intoxicating on screen.
- [95:51]
C
Yeah.
- [95:51]
B
Like, she can be saying mean, mean things, and I'm just like, I mean, I don't. I want the Green Eyed Bandit, or is Robin the Green Eyed Bandit, But I just fall for the Green Eyed Bandit quite a bit, which sometimes messes with me, too, because I'm like, I should be prettier.
- [96:04]
A
I always dime a dozen pretty people everywhere. Doesn't. Doesn't really work on me.
- [96:10]
C
It's actually really close to pretty people everywhere. But, no, I always want. I always try. Like, even with the ones that I'm on record year after year, like, it's just because people act like themselves. You know what I mean? And I guess you kind of learn that after a certain point. And even when you go back to shooting Salt Lake season after season at A certain point. This is now the sixth season that's airing. I bet you've arrived at the fact that, like, you know what? This person is just always gonna be themselves. When do you stop trying?
- [96:41]
B
Well, I'm a. I'm never gonna stop trying.
- [96:44]
C
You're never gonna stop trying.
- [96:45]
A
That's who you are.
- [96:46]
B
It's just a court jester. Just like plugging.
- [96:50]
C
You never even stopped trying with Jen.
- [96:52]
B
No. And Jen is. Jen was, you know, a friend and a friend. And I love people. I sometimes say brain on fire. Like, I love friends where they keep me on my toes and, like, everything they say is interesting or polemic or, you know, just challenging. And I don't know if that's just trauma or what. I don't know what that's about, but, like, there is a part of me that thinks I can be good enough to this person that they will change and like me eventually or treat me well, eventually. I can't. A therapist could tell me that's never gonna happen. I'd be like. But I can. Like, I can love them through it. I can't. And I know I can't.
- [97:32]
A
But your view of friendship is that it allows for the challenging stuff, the polemic stuff, the stuff where you're like, this is not. Like, there's no such thing as. Like, this is not how a friend should talk to me necessarily. Like, is that what you mean? Like.
- [97:45]
B
Well, it's just like, I know they're horrible, but they're hurting. Like, I'll get the cake. I'll get the caged animal. I'll show them that they can trust.
- [97:53]
A
Me as long as they're.
- [97:54]
B
I'll get them to treat me well.
- [97:55]
A
As long as they don't hurt you.
- [97:56]
C
I think that's what.
- [97:57]
A
As fans, I like being frustrated.
- [98:00]
C
Do you know how frustrating that is? But you know what I'm saying watching the show, that is the thing. I think, as a fan watching the show with you, Heather Gay, is. We just want you to know you deserve better in the friendships, too. Like, you fought so hard in all these aspects of your life, and I do think there is something with female friendship where you want to believe some of these women are gonna treat you better. And I remember with Jen, because obviously, you know, we're fans of all the.
- [98:30]
B
Ladies, just for the record.
- [98:31]
C
Well, we wish that you would. So with Jen, though, I mean, when it felt like you kept making excuses for her and, you know, kept up a certain ruse with Jen, now she's gonna be released pretty soon. How are you Feeling about this, that.
- [98:47]
B
Just not really feeling anything, you know.
- [98:50]
C
Will you make a call?
- [98:53]
B
Oh, no, I don't think. I think that I have closed the door on that for good reasons, you know, and like. But never. I mean, I don't know what the future holds, but like, I also feel like kind of my whole arc on Housewives, like, you know, maybe Jen is coming back, you know, and that's my perfect exit, you know, how possible do.
- [99:14]
C
You think that is? And she comes back. Well, I never think of. Well, first of all, they're both different questions, but a. How possible do you think it is that she comes back and returns to the show?
- [99:26]
B
I mean, I think as viewers of reality television, we know that it's an absolute possibility.
- [99:31]
A
Yeah, sure.
- [99:32]
B
I mean, I think as human beings on the planet Earth know what television's about.
- [99:38]
A
Right.
- [99:40]
B
It would be ridiculous to say that it's not a possibility. Of course.
- [99:44]
A
And then in turn the idea of you then leaving the show, it wouldn't.
- [99:50]
B
Be Gen related, but it would just be coincide. It would be the physical timing of everything, you know?
- [99:55]
A
Sure, yeah. I mean, so then you're saying that you've closed that chapter on Gen, that like you are someone who is generous with friendship, you allow for a lot, but then when it's done, it's done.
- [100:10]
B
Yeah, it's done for now for me.
- [100:13]
A
Okay.
- [100:13]
B
But of course I have no idea where it's at for Jen and what's on her side. And if I'm so. You know what I mean?
- [100:20]
A
Because I'm tying this back to you having to permanently, in some way permanently say goodbye to the people in your past from leaving the church. You have a model for this and that's a good way to move through the world in some cases. Like you say goodbye to people in your life with some permanence.
- [100:39]
B
Yeah. And things tend to get better. And so that scared me for a long time, but it doesn't scare me as much anymore.
- [100:44]
C
That's a huge moment in life, is actually realizing, you know what? I'm gonna be okay without this person. And I could be okay without this person. Because sometimes it's because when you are indoctrinated in what you are understanding to be like empathy and goodness, it's like once you let that go, you can, like, people are harder. People are the hardest.
- [101:15]
B
People are harder. Yeah.
- [101:16]
C
Like that's the thing.
- [101:17]
B
Yeah, it's true.
- [101:19]
A
Yeah.
- [101:20]
C
And so I think that's why it's like, it's harder to understand. But you can understand it as a viewer as it's like you are someone who cares a lot, and we can even see that and feel that from you, even knowing you as well as we do, which we went on one sick vacation, and we've hung out at an award show where we got this.
- [101:37]
A
I did text.
- [101:38]
B
It's real, guys. It's real. It's real.
- [101:40]
C
Because you want to know what we do? Consider you a friend, because we can tell how much you genuinely care. And that comes through the screen. It really does.
- [101:48]
B
I love the show. I love the women. It has changed my life forever. And it's, like, an incredible privilege to do what we do and to have access and be in camp partying with you guys. Like, you can take Lisa Barlow first.
- [102:02]
C
Season if it means. You know what I mean?
- [102:05]
B
And it was really. It's just like, there's. I just feel like I don't know how my life could get better.
- [102:12]
C
Yeah, that's really. That's wonderful. One last question before you move on to. I don't think so, honey. Were you guys having fun together at the Culture Awards? Like, were the Salt Lake Housewives? Were you guys able to put things to the side at least for that fun night?
- [102:25]
B
Yeah, we're the queens of that. We had the best time. Plus, when we're on top and we're there and everyone, like, it felt like we were the biggest stars in the movie. That was wonderful to us. I mean, you think we're gonna bicker about whatever. No. Yeah. Like, we. I mean, there is genuine love there on my side for all of them. You know, they have changed who I am. They have shaped who I am. They are why I'm here and who I've become. Which is crazy, you know, because so much of my life was shaped by such different forces. And so, yeah, we had the best time. Like, I laughed, I cried, I wept. I'm not even gonna say it was better than Catch. Cause it was, obviously. And it was just, like, everyone had such a good time. And did you guys hear how Angie harassed Jeff Goldblum?
- [103:14]
C
No. Tell us what happened.
- [103:17]
B
Well, I will tell you that, like, she had good intentions, but her presentation was awful. She went up to him and said, my daughter loves dinosaurs. Will you make her a video?
- [103:28]
C
I mean, if only he knew. Like, probably a dude.
- [103:34]
B
Then she backpedaled and made it all make sense, but I was like, that's not your line. You have to. Because he made a beautiful video.
- [103:41]
A
Of course he did.
- [103:42]
C
He's a gentleman. Lovely man.
- [103:45]
B
Oh, my gosh. And his wife, they were great.
- [103:46]
A
Emily, she's the best. But I think Jeff and Angie are on the same brave wavelength.
- [103:52]
C
They're in the same plane of reality.
- [103:53]
A
Curious people who just, you know, are. You know, just.
- [103:56]
B
He's like, oh, she likes. Oh, absolutely. Is there a specific dinosaur? You know, it was just like they were off to the race.
- [104:01]
A
Two characters talking to each other. You know what I mean?
- [104:04]
C
You. And I'm telling you, like, it made my heart leap out of my chest to see you guys, like, having fun together. I loved it. I hope we see more of that on the show this season. So before we do that on things. So, honey, what's. What's to come on the season to.
- [104:20]
B
Come on this season? There's a lot of really, really fun. Fun. Laughter. We have a lot of fun. We wear a lot of costumes. We are into our themes. You know, you do see us go on a yacht with Captain Jason.
- [104:32]
C
Yeah, I bet that's a jam.
- [104:34]
B
It is a jam.
- [104:35]
C
He really is hot.
- [104:36]
B
So hot. So hot. And it's just a battle of me v Britney. Obviously, I lost miserably.
- [104:42]
C
We have to say Brittany has definitely stepped into her iconography.
- [104:45]
B
Listen, Brittany should know that she may have a short game on the up, but I've got a long game.
- [104:49]
C
And bravo.
- [104:51]
B
In a few months.
- [104:51]
C
Celestials. I'm gonna be there.
- [104:53]
B
She should be aware, you know, I have history with Captain Jason. I plan to, like, you know, lean in on that now.
- [105:00]
C
I'll know where the party is when we're there.
- [105:01]
B
Yes, absolutely. And I just think you'll see some growing pains in some of our friendships. And I think that it's good, you know, you go to Greece, we go to Greece, Opa. And we. That's the best moment. I mean, Greece, this was spectacular. And there's a moment we're on a hill with one of Angie's family members, and I felt like I was on vacation. Like, I forgot that I was, you.
- [105:26]
A
Know, working, as it were.
- [105:27]
B
We never say working.
- [105:28]
A
I'm so sorry.
- [105:31]
B
We forgot that we were on a girls trip to Max. Best friends in Greece.
- [105:35]
C
Yeah, right. Exactly. All right, well, we cannot.
- [105:39]
B
We forgot we were insane.
- [105:41]
C
I know.
- [105:41]
A
I. I do admire how people on all the shows are, like, not. You never say the show. It's the group.
- [105:47]
C
I love when we were in the ladies. Well, when we were in.
- [105:51]
A
Not never at the reunion. Well, when in New York.
- [105:53]
C
It's in New York.
- [105:55]
B
But you know what a lot of the drama's gonna be is when we were at the last Culture Awards.
- [106:00]
C
Stop.
- [106:01]
A
Are you kidding?
- [106:02]
C
Me.
- [106:02]
B
An audible gasp.
- [106:03]
A
An audible gas from our executive producer. There's drama post Culture Awards.
- [106:07]
B
Well, depending on how well this gets at. It's short.
- [106:11]
C
I will say if we start, a.
- [106:14]
B
Lot of things went down inter group wise.
- [106:16]
C
Are they gonna cut to the culture.
- [106:17]
A
Awards in a flashback?
- [106:19]
C
I hope they do.
- [106:19]
B
I'm gonna do my very best to make sure they do.
- [106:22]
C
Oh, my God. I don't know if you know who.
- [106:24]
B
I am, but receipts, proofs.
- [106:27]
C
Oh, we know.
- [106:27]
B
Timeline, screenshots, and I believe a lot of it's on footage at the Las Velosiros Awards.
- [106:32]
C
All I want is for at the reunion someone to go to someone else.
- [106:36]
B
You.
- [106:36]
C
You owe me an apology for what you said at the culture Awards. For what you did at the culture Awards. We were at the culture Awards and you were disrespectful to Jeff Goldblum.
- [106:46]
B
Listen, Jeff Goldblum's just the tease. We have three or four storyline things that happened there that will come up.
- [106:52]
C
So you were disrespectful when Ben Platt was singing.
- [106:56]
B
Oh, no one would do dare.
- [106:57]
C
No.
- [106:58]
B
You know what?
- [106:58]
C
You got into it with our friends.
- [106:59]
B
We had to introduce Lisa to a couple of people she didn't recognize.
- [107:04]
A
Listen, here, I.
- [107:04]
B
Just kidding.
- [107:05]
A
Here's what we'll say. Here's what we'll say. If there are cutaways to the culture, if the culture rewards is mentioned in any, you know, explicit way, you will be getting a recurring yearly invitation.
- [107:15]
B
Is that all it takes?
- [107:16]
C
Incentive? Incentive.
- [107:18]
A
No, you're invited anyway. I'm just kidding.
- [107:20]
C
Is for literally the culture awards to come up. And then me and Bowen come out in gowns as friends of. And sit at the end of the couches and just both sit on each end, I think. And then I go, you owe me an apology.
- [107:33]
B
And I'll say, you're a friend of.
- [107:35]
C
When you have snowflake. Bowen and I get into it from across from no man's land all the way. When you're sitting. Sitting on the end screaming at each other, Whitney goes, I wasn't there. I wasn't even there. She was so missed.
- [107:46]
A
I know.
- [107:46]
C
We really missed Whitney so much.
- [107:48]
B
I know. And like, we were all text. Well, not all. I was texting her the day before and saying, listen, just, you know, go off your phone for like 48 hours. It's gonna be real painful.
- [107:56]
C
But it's all, Whitney, we missed you. You were definitely sorely missed.
- [108:00]
B
And she was so phenomenal in this first episode.
- [108:02]
C
She was.
- [108:03]
A
She really was.
- [108:03]
B
It was like. But if you had Been there. It was like she's in all of her. I've lost my entire fortune. You know, it was like you did that.
- [108:11]
C
There was something about the fortune.
- [108:13]
B
Yes.
- [108:13]
A
Yeah.
- [108:14]
B
At one point she said fortune. I think they softened it, but it was like, I've lost my entire fortune is gone.
- [108:19]
C
I do. Fortune is one of my words. I like to say my fortune. I love fortune.
- [108:24]
A
You know, Hazard has a great fortune.
- [108:26]
C
Fortune of beauty.
- [108:27]
B
Thank you. That's.
- [108:28]
A
That's the way that he would use fortune.
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C
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- [108:49]
A
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C
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A
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B
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A
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C
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A
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A
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C
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- [110:46]
A
You have to. And a Mustang, The Mustang that conquers curves.
- [110:50]
C
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- [111:11]
A
Sometimes you just need to push.
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C
What is it that they say? Whether you think you can or you think you can't. You're right.
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B
Right.
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A
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C
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A
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C
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- [111:36]
A
Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Ready? First cruise. Dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?
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C
Curated dining. Next.
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A
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C
Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again. I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.
- [112:04]
A
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C
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- [112:16]
A
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C
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B
And you know what?
- [112:33]
A
I deserve luxury.
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C
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A
Yes. There's always something happening on board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages. Live music, DJ themed parties, and more boredom doesn't board the ship.
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And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico, and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.
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Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia, and Curacao.
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But it's not all go, go, go.
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Right? You can totally go into relaxation mode too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views, and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.
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Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages new ship. The brilliant lady. Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin wow factor.
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Book now@virgin voyages.com or contact your travel advisor.
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That's virgin voyages.com. okay, so you know how the world is a chaotic, swirling ball of total stress right now? Well, we have a new Hulu show from Ryan Murphy that will give you the much needed break from reality. And whether you know it or not, you are already completely obsessed. It's called all's fair. And Ms. Kardashian plays Elora Grant Grant, the most in demand divorce attorney in Los Angeles. Get it? It's All's Fair, as in all's fair in love and war. And she's a divorce attorney. Love it. Now let's talk ensemble, because Alora does not go it alone. She breaks off from a crusty male dominated law firm to start her own legal coven with some absolute forces of nature. Naomi Watts, Niecy Nash, Betts, Teyana Taylor. And Glenn Close. Yeah, hello, Glenn Close. And of course, you need a villain. So say hello to Sarah Paulson as the nemesis. And these ladies are brilliant, complicated, fearless. And when they all come together, nothing can stop them. I'm talking about the lawyers on the show and the actresses playing them, by the way. But hey, if you're thinking this will be all courtroom drama and no drama drama. Relax, Elora. That's Kim's character has plenty of twists and turns in her personal life. Her professional life crashes into her personal one. And oh, so how does this super lawyer fix her own mess? With a little help from her best friend, of course. So this series has it all. Scandalous secrets, high stakes courtroom drama, more shifting alliances than Kim's other shows. Some OMG Twists and friendships that rise above it all. And of course, everything is gonna look amazing. It's got some unapologetic glam, a work hard, play harder lifestyle. Every scene just sparkles. Everybody Makes compromises in their lives. Lame men underpaying jobs. Well, stop. Just stop.
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Stop.
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And never settle for anything less than fabulous when it comes to your next streaming obsession. All's fair now. Streaming on Hulu and on Hulu on Disney for bundle subscribers. Terms apply. Drama guaranteed. All right, we gotta do. I don't think so, honey. It's time to get our giggles out about things in culture. Okay, so this is our 60 second segment where we take exactly that amount of time, one minute. To rant and rail against something in culture. I have a. I've realized that something that I never thought I'd have to do is gonna be something I gotta do.
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Okay, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
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I don't think so, honey. I think I have to learn to ski. I've started seeing someone who ski learn. And it's a big part of this person's life. And I feel like it was already a big part of my sister's life.
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And this is my Colorado.
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I thought this was a good thing to bring up on this episode because. I don't think so, honey. Me skiing, everybody ever before this. I really do feel like I'm gonna get hurt. And what I really don't think so, honey, is an injury at this point in my life. Like, who needs a torn ACL at 35, you know? I don't think so, honey. That being said, I'm told it's quote unquote fun. I'm told it's quote unquote easy to do in the beginning. The bunny hills, I know those sound kind of simpler because a bunny is a very simple animal. The way it hops, et cetera. But the thing is, like, I don't know about me and my coordination. I'm a 6 foot 1 second, not known for my dexterity. And. But I would say. You know what I'm saying? It's like I was never good at, like, the surfing and this. The snowboarding or whatever is so new to me. I will try. I don't think so, honey. Though, if I get really hurt, you'll have to pay for it.
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Oh, and that's one minute. How did I get roped in?
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A chance to do and I don't think so, honey. Rebuttal to that. I don't think so.
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You can if you want.
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Yes.
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This will count as yours. And then it will go to me.
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No. You probably came in with the topic.
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No, I didn't. And I was panicking. I was gonna make you guys now I've got one.
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Let's not do it. Okay, okay. Okay. This is Heather Gay's. I don't think so, honey. Oh, another historic episode. We're going out of order. This is Heather Gayes. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
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I don't think so, honey. Matt Rogers using I need to learn to ski as a ploy to let us all know about his newest crash and the fact that he might need to skip some extra help on the hill also. I don't think so, honey. A way for him to say, I'm gonna need a lot of support. Don't expect too much that I have.
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To pay for it.
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Yeah, like, he's doing everything he can to make sure he gets some hot ski patrol guys to guide him down the bunny.
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I don't need him anymore.
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I need a sauna and a hot rub. This is gonna be harder than it looks.
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30 seconds.
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I don't think so, honey. Matt Rogers pretending that he's scared about getting hurt. Torn ACL. When you're over 50, baby, your body is in great shape. Shape. And all you want is for us to tell you you're not gonna get hurt. You're a natural athlete. You're gonna be a stud. Also, surfing has nothing to do with skiing. Snowboarding neither. So your plight is unheard. And, like, you're gonna be just fine.
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And that's one minute. Oh, my God.
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You'Re right.
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I just need to shut the up.
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I don't think. I don't want to get hurt. Hurt. This body. It's the trophy.
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You are so good at skiing.
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You are.
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Honestly, I didn't know if. This is a joke.
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No.
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I'm from Utah. Don't just moonlight there. I am.
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Also Bowen.
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I was an Eskimo Ski Club, Colorado.
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I was so.
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I was a Keystone guy. I was a Keystone boy. We still go there.
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We were Beaver Creek, Vale.
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I love Beaver Creek. And Van.
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I need you guys to hit the slopes. I. I would love that.
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Okay.
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Goen and I will absolutely do anything together. Did you see us weeping together?
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No, I'm not.
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I'm telling you the way that I saw you guys. Absolutely connecting. Also, can I. Can I just share a little thing that happened in that same gazebo?
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Please?
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So I'm over on the side with. With Amanda and Sierra from Summer House, who are both perfect.
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So, so good. So good.
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I love Kyle.
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Specimens.
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Just stunning.
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Stunning.
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And so we had been hanging out a lot with Amanda, but Sierra, because. Because we were all doing NBC Girls Amazon or Something. So it was finally, they were all linked up and so DJ Kyle Cook was doing. DJ Kyle Cook. Cool boy stuff out there opening up for Ludacris. So Kyle comes in and he's amped because he just crushed. He was just acting like he was like a kid on Christmas morning. Oh, I love that he opened for Ludacris. He opened for Ludacris in Cannes. It was awesome.
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So he could.
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Dude, it was so great. Dude. And then Ludacris person starts. The opening DJ starts playing. So Kyle's like, we gotta go, we gotta go. And then like Kyle runs off. A bunch of people follow Kyle and I'm like, okay, we're gonna go. And Amanda goes, ugh, I haven't even gotten a new glass of wine. Can we take a second? And Ciara is still sitting and she's like, I know. And I realized this is my moment to be cool in front of Ciara Mill. So totally against my personality, I'm usually running after Kyle Cook. So I go, I go in front of C and Amanda, I go, yeah. Like, why are we running? And Sierra goes, yes. For a second I was like doing drag to be cool enough in front of Sierra itself. And then I like got to sit down and like talk to them for a second and I was just like, hell yeah, I did it. And then a half second later, AKA now I'm like, uncool. But I saw my second cosplay as.
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Like a school girl.
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He ran off.
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Of course. Then you heard. Yeah. And I was like, out there. But then we had such an amazing see you.
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You got on their level as like, like you.
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You got a code switching icon.
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You're talking to a Mormon housewife. Code switching. I mean, that's all I do.
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Yeah, it's all, it's all we all did.
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It was, it was truly, it was. It was a good moment for me.
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Lots happened in that lot. Goes down in the gazebo and spinner man.
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Loved it. Loved it all. Okay, so I've lost the phone. It's fallen underneath.
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Okay, I'll do a quick one.
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Being left out of his one minute kisses, Bowen Yangs. I don't think so, honey. And his time starts now.
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I don't think so, honey. The fact that I did not wait to get my first botox at beauty lab and laser. I got it done at the derm and I really genuinely was holding out on the next time I go to Salt Lake City, whenever that will be, I will get my first botulism injection. Toxin toxins tox I'll get my first tox in my face. My guy's a minimalist. He says. I say I have to raise my eyebrows and express myself for work. He says, I'll go minimal. This shit is crazy.
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30 seconds.
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I'm new to this.
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You look amazing.
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You seem so surprised.
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This is. Do I? I seem so surprised. Can I. What's my range? I don't know about this. I'm gonna.
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I'm gonna.
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I'm gonna really ease up on it.
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I tried it.
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Maybe not for me all the time. Maybe now and then in like, the summer when I'm like, oh, like I'm, you know, matte. I wanna look dewy. But I should have waited to go to beauty lab and laser. A site of true history, television, culture, history. I'm sorry I did not go and be a patron to your business.
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Heather Gay comped for life. And you looked perfect.
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Thank you.
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And that's one minute. I will say, say it looks great.
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Raise your eyebrows for me. And now make an angry face.
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This is.
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My elevens are still intact. My elevens are still there.
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Who advised him?
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See, my derm says he'll only ever give it, so I have it in between my brows.
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B
Your elevens?
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Yeah, but my.
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It's actually the triangle of sadness.
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Okay, so I have it in my triangle of sadness, I suppose. But my derm says he'll never give it to me on my forehead because my brow is too flat and thick. What do you think about this? And I'm worried about my under eyes.
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When a guy says to me that he'll never give it to me in the area I have asked, I usually break up with him.
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Oh.
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Oh, my God.
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That works for Botox. That works for penetrative sex. That works for penetrative sex.
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Well, you know what he says to me? He goes, he's gonna do. We'll do your 11. And then he goes, and maybe a little bit over here, he's like, but I'll never do your forehead because I don't want your.
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B
You're brow to droop.
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Because he wants me to be expressive as an actor. Which, of course. But then I was like, but what about my under eyes?
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B
I think I am not expressive as an actor.
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C
No, you are.
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B
I cannot even lift a muscle on my face. I don't know if I'm smiling or crying or shocked and have. Do you not feel my under eyes?
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A
We feel it all.
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Then do not fear the needle. Fear the. The furrowed lines that will age you prematurely.
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Well, like vulnerably the only thing I'm really, like, not good about is, like, just my bags under my eyes and, like, the. Like the wrinkles under my eyes. Right. Here he goes. You are a candidate for a lower blepho. And I was like, oh, what?
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A lower blepho.
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A
Lower blepho.
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A lower blepho. A lower blepharoplasty.
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Yes.
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So now there's upper blepharop.
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I was thinking of something sexual that only Derm said to their favorite patients.
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I gave them a blepho on the slopes. But anyway, I need a lot of.
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B
Help coming down the mountain.
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I need help on the bunny hills, and I need a bleffo stat. Oh, geez. But yeah, no, now. Now just bleffo or something in my vocabulary. I'm telling everyone. Well, you know, I'm a candidate for.
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You know, who can give you ask. Ask all the housewives. Say, have you had an upper left, upper BL or lower BLEF? We just say BLE. BL, E, P, H, BL.
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So when I go to BravoCon, I'll just say BLEF.
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B
LB.
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Okay, I'll do LB. Yube. I'll do a U.
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B
Upper bluff.
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Upper bluff.
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Anyways.
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Well, Heather, I think we should take Matt to gay ski week or something.
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Well, for sure.
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I'm on board.
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I think it'd be very good.
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I'd love to coax you down the mountain. No torn ACL on my watch.
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I will be so good at the apres part.
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Oh, that's the only thing that matters.
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Apres. The funnest part. But you have to do the. It's interesting. You do have to, like, suffer through the actual skiing to make the apres even more enjoyable.
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Yeah, you have to have Feel the cold in order to enjoy the hot.
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A
Exactly.
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I get it. Okay, well, much in the future.
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Listen, guys, Salt Lake City, I am your hostess. All the wives are your hostess.
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C
Well, you know, we're gonna have to do, like, a couple days with you. A couple days with Ang.
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We'll just do an Airbnb, and we'll all. I'll bring them all in one by one. I'll make sure that they, you know, kiss the ring before they're allowed to become. Before they're invited.
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C
So Angie. Angie's first ever watch what happens live was with Bowen Yang.
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And she was so.
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C
She was, like, deeply nervous.
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She was nervous.
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She was so nervous. And. And she still thanks me to this day for making her feel at ease. And that was at a time When I didn't know how to feel about Angie. Cause she was so new to being an official housewife. And I was like, I don't know. Like, I love Meredith. Like, what does this mean? Just the sweetness was so apparent. I was like, oh, she's just an angel on this earth. I can already tell. You just have no choice but to be nice to this person.
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Yeah, she's lovely.
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A
And Shauna Lecter over there. And then, you know, we just spotted. She gave me her number. She's like, you are invited anytime.
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B
She's. I mean, she's wonderful. She also has a sliced tongue of great shade, which we should not despair. We should honor equally.
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A
She's got jokes.
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I love it. I mean, I think that she has the range.
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A
You look like a trampoline with eyes.
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C
I think you look like a trampoline with eyes. It's actually an Alzheimer's trampoline with eyes.
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B
Most trampolines are Alzheimer's. They really are.
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A
My daughter loves dinosaurs. Can you make a video? Yeah.
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C
My daughter loves dinosaurs.
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Camera 1 inch from his face.
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She's a great communicator. You. We can see how expressive you are. You are one of our great vessels of pathos and joy. You experience it all. You reflect the human condition back to us as we watch. Heather Gay. Thank you so much for coming on our humble podcast. Yes. Thank you so much.
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C
Really fun.
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A
Salt Lake City's on Tuesdays on Bravo.
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C
Tuesdays on Bravo. Eight, seven Central. Correct.
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Correct.
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Who knows? It's streaming.
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Yeah. Who knows?
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Catching up here and streaming on Peacock along with the Culture Awards. We end every episode with a song. Thank you for being a friend? Travel down the road and back again?
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Your heart is true?
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You're a pal and a confidant. I actually said in a confidant. It's our confidant.
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Am I allowed to join in, or is that like.
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Yes, that is perfect.
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And if you threw a party, Invited everyone you knew? You would see? The greatest gift would be from me? And the card attached would say?
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Thank you for being a friend. Bye.
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Goodbye.
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Yes.
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Yay. Las Colduristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.
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Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos, edited and.
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Mixed by Doug Bain.
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And our music is by Henry Kamirsky.
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Ever ask yourself, what am I capable of?
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Ford believes only you can answer that, even if others try to do it for you. You're the one who defines your legacy chases the horizon, engineers your dreams, conquers.
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The curves that capability. It's in you just like it's built into every F150, Bronco, Mustang and every other Ford vehicle.
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Because whether you think you can or think you can't, you're right.
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Ready, set Ford.
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Visit ford.com to @look, there's pressure systems moving in beau in the form of cuffing season, potential heavy clouds of nostalgia around an ex windstorms from a current situationship and light drivels of you up tex are incoming.
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It's the chill in the air that brings about this behavior. In the midst of cupping season, there's one place where the microclimate is clear communication, radical honesty and open mindedness and that's Fields.
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It's a connections app that asks you to show up and articulate your desires as clearly as you understand them now. And if you don't understand them, say that.
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The Field community is made up of so many different kinds of people ranging in experience, interests and desires. Here you can have the space to change, to be honest, and to always be curious.
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Wondering what that looks like? Here's a snapshot of Field there's no fast swipe culture. Sometimes attraction takes time. Here you don't have to make a split decision in order to see another person skip profiles. Go back and take the time you need to decide.
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If you really like, you can expand your curiosity. There are over 20 sexuality and gender identities listed on Field in this space. You can explore who you are sans.
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Judgment and there's no pretending. There's no need to write your profile like a job application and pretend to be what someone else wants. Within the Field community, the cultural norm is to be radically honest. It helps you find exactly what you're seeking.
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That's F E E L D Download Field on the App Store or Google Play.
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You can't spell culturistas without R I.
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That's right. Rhode island is the perfect place not just for the culturistas of the world, but all the other Easters too.
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We're talking about the food Easters, the theater Easters, the nature Easters, the luxuries does whatever you're in Easter for. You'll find it in the Ocean State.
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So start packing those bags and be the best Easter you can be.
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Rhode Island. All that.
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Plan your trip@Visit Rhode Island.com that's Visit.
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