"The Twins Are Fighting Again" (w/ Matt & Bowen)

Summary

Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang Episode: "The Twins Are Fighting Again" Release Date: February 12, 2025

Summary:

In the episode titled "The Twins Are Fighting Again," hosts Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang delve deep into a myriad of cultural, personal, and societal topics, blending humor with insightful commentary. This summary captures the essence of their discussions, highlighting key points, notable quotes, and the dynamic interaction between the hosts.

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1. Addressing Recent Controversies and Clarifications

The episode opens with Matt and Bowen discussing recent events surrounding Kanye West. Initially mentioning Kanye's controversial advertisements, Matt promptly issues a clarification post-recording:

• Matt Rogers [03:17]: "So for people that don't know there was this insane Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him, like, really out of it... "

• Matt Rogers [03:31]: "I have to say, like does he still sell clothes? Is that still his thing?"

Later, Matt clarifies the gravity of Kanye's actions, condemning them unequivocally:

• Matt Rogers [03:55]: "Obviously fucking insane. And our sentiment, as always, is fuck Kanye West."

2. Cultural Reflections Post-Super Bowl

Bowen expresses his feelings of being unsettled after the Super Bowl, touching upon the intertwining of politics and pop culture:

• Bowen Yang [02:25]: "How are you feeling after the Super Bowl?"

• Bowen Yang [03:32]: "It's crazy that, like, yeah, our president is going after yet another pop star."

The discussion segues into broader cultural fractures, referencing Sarah Sherman's take on David Lynch and the atom bomb metaphor:

• Bowen Yang [04:22]: "There is something shattered culturally when I think when that moment happened."

3. Personal Boundaries and Podcast Dynamics

A significant portion of the episode revolves around Matt and Bowen navigating their personal disclosures on the podcast. Matt announces his decision to refrain from discussing his sexual exploits:

• Matt Rogers [05:20]: "I'm no longer bringing my sexploys and personal life to this podcast because I am genuinely out here dating again."

Bowen supports this move, sharing his own experiences of misinterpretation when discussing personal matters elsewhere.

4. Creative Endeavors and Past Projects

The hosts reminisce about their past collaborative projects, notably the creation of "Night Soap" and the initial concept for the episode's title, "The Twins Are Fighting Again":

• Matt Rogers [07:15]: "But it was originally something else."

• Bowen Yang [08:07]: "I think it's worth it."

They discuss their creative processes, plot ideas, and the evolution of their projects over time.

5. Queer Interpretations in Media

A thoughtful segment delves into the character Sephiroth from "Final Fantasy VII," exploring a queer reading of his backstory and motivations:

• Bowen Yang [21:03]: "Maybe you do have sympathy for Sephiroth in the story."

Matt and Bowen discuss how cultural contexts influence character development and audience perception, advocating for more explicit queer narratives in storytelling.

6. Book Projects and Storytelling

The conversation transitions to their aspirations of authoring a book titled "Rules of Culture." They emphasize the importance of collaborative writing and creating a supportive environment for sharing personal narratives.

• Matt Rogers [16:41]: "Rules of Culture is the perfect book project for me and us."

7. Reflections on Relationships and Vulnerability

Matt shares a personal anecdote about a moment of vulnerability where he unintentionally professed love during a intimate encounter:

• Matt Rogers [59:00]: "I just said, I love you... I fully say I love you."

Bowen and Matt navigate the complexities of emotional expression and boundaries within their personal lives.

8. Discussions on Slurs and Language

The hosts engage in a candid discussion about the use and reclamation of the slur "faggot," exploring its implications and evolving usage within the LGBTQ+ community.

• Matt Rogers [55:36]: "Because I'M embracing it, as you can see. I've used it several times."

They analyze the challenges of reclaiming derogatory terms and the importance of context in language.

9. Media Critique and Hollywood Dynamics

Matt and Bowen critique the current state of Hollywood, focusing on high-profile lawsuits involving figures like Diddy and Blake Lively. They examine how publicists manipulate narratives and the broader implications for accountability in the entertainment industry.

• Matt Rogers [40:35]: "When you really look back at, like making the ban and you really look back at all of the media that we have of him, pretty much everything, it's kind of shocking..."

10. Technology and Communication Platforms

A lighthearted yet pointed critique of Microsoft Teams surfaces, with the hosts expressing frustration over its functionality compared to other platforms like Zoom:

• Bowen Yang [93:08]: "Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us."

They humorously lament the inefficiencies of corporate communication tools, advocating for more user-friendly alternatives.

11. Oscars Predictions and Film Analysis

The episode includes an analysis of potential Oscar winners, discussing films like "Wicked" and the influence of ranked-choice voting on award outcomes. They predict shifts in film recognition based on cultural relevance and audience reception.

• Bowen Yang [74:12]: "It's a case to be made about because the news has been so awful."

12. Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

As the episode nears its end, Matt and Bowen wrap up with reflections on their experiences, upcoming projects, and the continual evolution of their cultural commentary.

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Notable Quotes:

• Matt Rogers [05:00]: "I can't stay mad at you no no."

• Bowen Yang [21:55]: "Because Japanese culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way that Western culture has."

• Matt Rogers [61:39]: "I am the transparent one on this show."

• Bowen Yang [63:56]: "I'm back."

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Conclusion: "The Twins Are Fighting Again" is a quintessential episode of Las Culturistas, where Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang intertwine personal anecdotes with broader cultural critiques. Their dynamic ensures a rich, engaging conversation that resonates with both listeners familiar and unfamiliar with their previous work. Through humor, introspection, and sharp analysis, the hosts provide a comprehensive exploration of contemporary cultural landscapes.

Transcript

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Wow. Is that culture?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Goodness. Ding dong Las Culturistas calling.

[Matt Rogers]

Bowen and I are in conflict.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not tactile even though we could be.

[Matt Rogers]

No please.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh how could I resist?

[Matt Rogers]

I can't stay mad at you no.

[Bowen Yang]

Matter how hard I try.

[Matt Rogers]

How you feeling after the Super Bowl?

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I missed a lot of it, but I. I am a little bit rattled, honestly.

[Matt Rogers]

Why? What happened? That rattles you?

[Bowen Yang]

It's crazy. I'm not to talk politics, but it's crazy that, like, yeah, our president is going after yet another pop star.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like, he loves it. He loves to. Of course, with pop stars and awards bodies, like I said, as if they're individuals. And, yeah, he gets off on it. So how many times they tweeted about Taylor?

[Bowen Yang]

A lot. I'm not keeping track of it on Twitter or on Truth. I just know that, like, he's reveling in it. And like, God, if you could go back to 2009 and be like, go to the VMAs and be like, Taylor, this is what's going to happen to you. Like, yay. Sorry, dead named Kanye again. There, I did it again. You're going to buy out an ad at the dentist to go to yeezy.com.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you end up seeing it?

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

So for people that don't know there was this insane Kanye ad that he had bought, it was just him, like, really out of it, like, telling people to go to yeezy.com. i have to say, like, does he still sell clothes? Is that still his thing?

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not sure.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't even know what his deal is anymore. I'm just afraid of it. Hey, guys, this is Matt. I just wanted to jump on here very quickly and say that this episode was recorded before we found out what Kanye west was selling on his website. Obviously, Bowen and I had no interest in actually logging onto Yeez. And so it wasn't until much later, a couple days later, that we found out what exactly he was selling, which was T shirts with swastikas on them. So that's obviously fucking insane. And our sentiment, as always, is fuck Kanye West. And I just wanted to make sure that we made that totally clear so that you didn't think we were being glib or dismissing the situation as, like, anything other than what it is, which is fucking disgusting. So back to the episode. Just wanted to jump on and get clear the air. Bye.

[Bowen Yang]

I think something broke. The way that Sarah Sherman talked about David lynch and how he used the atom bomb as a way of talking about humanity being broken and shattering. Like there's something shattered culturally when I think when that moment happened.

[Matt Rogers]

What, the VMAs?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the origin point for so much of what's happening now.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

For, like, this brook to diverge in the wood in this way. You know what I mean? Like, that was a very fateful night.

[Matt Rogers]

You have so much clarity.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I don't.

[Matt Rogers]

I can only call it post nut clarity. No, because I know you got the nut yesterday.

[Bowen Yang]

How do you know?

[Matt Rogers]

You told me.

[Bowen Yang]

So we are not gonna do this.

[Matt Rogers]

So this was what we were in conflict about before the episode started. Bowen just no longer wants to discuss his personal sexual exploits on the podcast. I'm.

[Bowen Yang]

Even though he's discuss them in shit.

[Matt Rogers]

He is rolling around like a pig and shit. He's like, tate, it's okay, I'm okay. Like, imagine like Bowen just. And it's cocks all around. It's okay, I'm okay. He's turning down the cock. He's saying, it's okay, I'm okay. Because he's so inundated.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you know the origin of that phrase. But she was in the studio and they were like, you know, it's around meal time. Like, let's order some food. Like, Tate, do you want anything? And she kept saying, it's okay, I'm okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Really.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's how.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause she wanted to keep working.

[Bowen Yang]

She wanted to keep working. She said she is. This is the thing. This is someone who holds all three of her titles very seriously. Equally seriously. Singer, songwriter, dancer. Yes. Nothing takes over. It's a very well balanced, you know, triangle. A plane, as it were.

[Matt Rogers]

And Tate McRae will be on the podcast in two weeks.

[Bowen Yang]

We're very excited.

[Matt Rogers]

And what you just did right there was amazing for two reasons. One, it provided new information about Tate that I didn't know.

[Bowen Yang]

And then two, I deflected.

[Matt Rogers]

And two, it was a misdirect. It was a redirect. It was a deflection and a projection.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, when was the last time you talked about your sexploys?

[Matt Rogers]

I actually have an announcement. I'm no longer bringing my sexploits and personal life to this podcast because I am genuinely out here dating again. And so I don't want anyone to know how I'm. How I am. Like, I don't want to say one thing and then someone think it's about them, right?

[Bowen Yang]

No, I've had that happen recently. I've had that happen recently where I was on. I was on our good friend's Pat and Cats podcast treatment and was talking about someone, and then another person thought that I was talking about them.

[Matt Rogers]

Oop. Amelia Bedelia vibes.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Amelia Bedelia vibes.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like in Sister Sister, when they would both. When they would have to switch.

[Bowen Yang]

I cut my own mind, my own stuff. In my own time. Yes. Just like sister. Just like sister.

[Matt Rogers]

Should we reboot? Yes, that actually should be our show. It's a sister sister reboot with us.

[Bowen Yang]

Where we played twins.

[Matt Rogers]

Where we played twins. And the conceit is no one can tell us apart because we're twins.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you know, this is. This is an interesting glimpse. Of course. Matt and I wrote a show for Ars Nova. Oh, yes. Called Night Soap.

[Matt Rogers]

But it was originally something else.

[Bowen Yang]

It was originally called. And this was conceived back in college. We were like, we were just on some different shit back then because Matt came up with a title. The Twins Are Fighting Again. A gay fantasia with themes.

[Matt Rogers]

A gay fantasia with themes with themes.

[Bowen Yang]

Where we did play twins and then we did end up like we always wanted, for the show to end in a space battle, which ended up being the thing that carried over into Night Soap.

[Matt Rogers]

You know that I still have notebooks full of like plot ideas and joke ideas and twists for our show. The Twins Are Fighting Again. Really? Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I think it's worth it.

[Matt Rogers]

Fighting Again is title of ep.

[Bowen Yang]

The Twins Are Fighting Again.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. So we eventually did create media that was the Twins Are Fighting Again, which.

[Bowen Yang]

Was this podcast or you mean Night Soap.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm just saying it. Ultimately we did it because we will release this episode. It will be called the Twins Are Fighting Again with Matt and Bowen. So don't let anyone tell you it's not possible that you're kind of half baked. Idea can't come through later.

[Bowen Yang]

It can show up in any form.

[Matt Rogers]

It can show up in any form. Yeah, but we didn't end up doing it. We did Night Soap, which maybe Night Soap will see the light of day. I still believe in Night Soap.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I love nights.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm so proud of some sort of entity.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm really proud of Night Soap because we tore. We tore. Not only did we tear, but we really gagged the girls with a plot twist at the end.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, I almost died that night.

[Bowen Yang]

What do you mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, no, it wasn't that night. It was for your. You did another show at Ars Nova. Yes, and I did. So there was a time in my life there was. What would you call this, like an 8 to 10 month period of my life during pop roulette. And that time where I was doing death drops on stage.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, you were doing a lot of. And you were very good.

[Matt Rogers]

But yeah, I was full leaps into the air. Like, no training, just me visualizing in my head and watching Drag Race how it should be and allowing myself to fall on the ground. This was my entire late twenties. And during that. I forget what it was. You were doing.

[Bowen Yang]

Some. I was doing. Yeah. I forget.

[Matt Rogers]

Showgasm or something.

[Bowen Yang]

It was showgasm. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You were hosting something or performing one. Some. One person show. And I came out and did a death drop. And afterwards I was told that my neck almost. Hillary Swank Million Dollar Babied on a chair.

[Bowen Yang]

Can you imagine, Matt? Oh my God, I'm so sad even thinking about that.

[Matt Rogers]

It would have been really awful had I Hillary Swank Million Dollar Baby. Because I thought, let me do a death drop. Imagine explaining that no to my parents. I would have to have done it.

[Bowen Yang]

I would have had to have done it. I would have been in a police outfit for some reason.

[Matt Rogers]

In a police outfit.

[Bowen Yang]

I just imagine being in a quote unquote police outfit, knocking at your parents door, telling them that their son had passed away.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, let's act it out. No, I'm Katrina. Oh my God. Richie. It's Bowen. Hi. What are you doing here? You look so cute.

[Bowen Yang]

Ms. Rogers. I'm Ms. Rogers.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you.

[Bowen Yang]

My name is Officer Yang and I.

[Matt Rogers]

What's happened? Oh, no, I don't like this at all.

[Bowen Yang]

Your son was doing a shogasm. Was a guest on a. I don't understand. On a Shogasm show.

[Matt Rogers]

What's that?

[Bowen Yang]

It's this.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know, Shogasm.

[Bowen Yang]

It's at Ars Nova, which is.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't like this title.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? Oh, it's a play on the words orgasm and show.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I understood that part. So what happened? How was the show?

[Bowen Yang]

It was mid. It was a mid show.

[Matt Rogers]

Mid.

[Bowen Yang]

Well. Oh, sorry. So in about 10 years, that's gonna be a term that people use.

[Matt Rogers]

Sort of in the middle, sort of. Not so good, not so bad. Well, you know, you do lots of great shows, but we love coming to the shows.

[Bowen Yang]

In this moment. Sorry, sorry, Mr. Rogers. In this moment, I am Katrina.

[Matt Rogers]

You've always called me Katrina.

[Bowen Yang]

For some reason, I've taken it upon myself to be a police officer who.

[Matt Rogers]

Has never met for you, but I suppose support you. We love the police. My mom doesn't say that. I don't know how my mom feels about the police.

[Bowen Yang]

Back in, your son Matt did a death drop.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no.

[Bowen Yang]

And he Hillary Swank and Million Dollar babied his head on a chair.

[Matt Rogers]

Won the boxing match. I only saw the first 45 minutes of that movie and fell asleep. What happens at the end?

[Bowen Yang]

Is your husband around? Can I come in?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, of course.

[Bowen Yang]

Come in and see. Oh, man, you are so embodied in Katrina.

[Matt Rogers]

I know her better than she was herself.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God. Do you feel. I feel like you. You are that way with me sometimes. You know me better than I know me.

[Matt Rogers]

I. Here's what I'll say. I know your energy sometimes without even being in the room. I literally know exactly how you feel at all times. I know. Yes. I usually have, like, some sense.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

What the temperature is at all times. So, like, whether you're okay, you're okay, or not.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, what was the last time you tried to, like, really channel into. Into, like, my.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, I literally walked in today, looked at you, and said, what's the matter?

[Bowen Yang]

No, that's a whole separate thing.

[Matt Rogers]

It is a whole separate thing. I was having a conversation with engineer Doug. Engineer Doug. And we were talking about something heavy, and I come in the room, and I saw. I don't even know how to describe it. There is almost like a. It's like a. It's like a resigned yearning. It's like, oh. I said, what's the matter? No, I was listening to the conversation.

[Bowen Yang]

I was listening to your conversation as you guys walked in, and. Because it was dovetailing on a conversation that I was having with engineer Doug as well, about the same heavy topic.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. We're dancing around this. It's not. It's not anything bad. It's just. It's a thing that, you know, it's something bad. It is. Right? It's something bad. It's just not something that should be.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you mind if we. If we share, like. Okay. So Doug experienced lots of pain because of the fires. His neighborhood is. Has taken quite the beating, and we're thinking of him, and we were just checking in with him and again, reaching out to everyone out there who. It's so odd sometimes when I feel like the world moves on. You know what I mean?

[Bowen Yang]

I can't stop thinking about this. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, it's like. I remember when I was little, like, my grandfather passed away when I was 12, and I remember I had this moment where it was, like, mid November, it was cold on Long island, and we were at the funeral, and we get in the car, and we turned on the car, and I remember, like, so loudly, like, pop music started playing from the FM radio. And I was like, it's so crazy that the rest of the world is still listening to pop music. And, like, you know, it's gonna be a sunny day today, or it's gonna continue. Like, the world's gonna keep going in this way despite this Tragedy. And I can't imagine how it must feel to have the entire world pivot and send you condolences. And obviously it's been a lasting topic in the news because it's such a tragedy and so much has befallen that region. But the moment where it feels like everyone else moves on or the world keeps turning, of course it must, but it's still.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, it just makes it impossible to go between, like, feeling this interior kind of, like, mourning and loss. And, like, how do you cope with that, like, from within, and then try to engage with the world in a way that, like, isn't totally devastating, because it's like, oh, the world does spin on. And you're like, yeah. What does this mean?

[Matt Rogers]

I wish I could specifically remember what song it was that was playing, because, you know, it was dumb.

[Bowen Yang]

Was it. What year was this?

[Matt Rogers]

It was 2002.

[Bowen Yang]

So.

[Matt Rogers]

So let's think about November 2002. Can. Are we that good at culture?

[Bowen Yang]

I'm going to say Ashanti Foolish. Foolish.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I hope it was.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's a good thing.

[Matt Rogers]

But the thing is, like, I feel like if it was Ashanti Foolish, which, by the way, is a great song, is that on the great global songbook? I don't think it is.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think it is. We might have to do a new.

[Matt Rogers]

List that might be nominated.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

Foolish by Ashanti might be nominated.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know in what category, but it might be nominated.

[Bowen Yang]

We have to. We have to.

[Matt Rogers]

Take no more.

[Bowen Yang]

I keep on running back to you.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, we can't officially say it's nominated yet because there are meetings involved.

[Matt Rogers]

No, there's so much meetings involved now more than ever. There's meetings.

[Bowen Yang]

There's meetings involved.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's just say the Culture Awards.

[Bowen Yang]

There's meetings involved.

[Matt Rogers]

There's meetings involved.

[Bowen Yang]

That's all we. That's all we can say.

[Matt Rogers]

Why are we multimedia?

[Bowen Yang]

Because this is. This is all. This is what you are pushed to do these days. You have to be multimedia. I didn't ask to write a book, but they asked us.

[Matt Rogers]

How did that go? Did we ask to write it or did they ask us? I think we always wanted to do.

[Bowen Yang]

We always wanted to write Rules of Culture. Absolutely. I'm cooked. And so I don't think I could write. Rules of Culture is the perfect book project for me and us. But I'm saying my brain, because I don't think I could write down a single thought or depiction of my experience in, like, a memoir form if I were to ever Gun to my head. Have to do that.

[Matt Rogers]

You literally could. But at the same time, I do think it's good that we're sort of entering the book space with like, not training wheels, but we get to do it together.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And we get to do this thing that's gonna have, like, such a fun container.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

And so it's practice for your incredible revelatory, searing, trenchant. Trenchant. Provocative, Sexual at times. If you ever open up. Because here I am trying to get you to open up about your goddamn sexual exploits. But it's like trying to milk a stone.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that a real expression? I think so.

[Matt Rogers]

It's actually roller culture number 88.

[Bowen Yang]

Trying to milk a stone is a real expression. That's that real expression.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, I was talking to my girl the other day and I was trying to find out what we were doing this weekend, and it was like trying to milk a stone.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, I get what you're saying.

[Matt Rogers]

Should the episode should title of EPI to milk a stone instead of the.

[Bowen Yang]

Twins are fighting again to milk a stone. Well, okay, now we're giving too much shine on to Milk a Stone.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I wish we could do?

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

Have the readers vote for this title.

[Bowen Yang]

I know we can't because that's not. It's not going to work on logically. Logistically, it doesn't make sense.

[Matt Rogers]

I get so frustrated when there are chronological or logistical limits. Yeah, I've been like that since I was little.

[Bowen Yang]

What was the first time travel narrative? Back to the Future, I guess certainly.

[Matt Rogers]

Back to the Future, which if they ever come to me and ask for my letterboxd.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that's up there.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm saying four. Back to the Future. You see me have to check that it was four.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I would have had to check. We all have to check sometimes.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you for that. So Back to the Future is a great film. 1985 released.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Who knew that they would know so much about how the future would go? Flying cars.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Actually, if you have watched that movie. If you watch Back to The Future Part 2 again is actually kind of freaky because.

[Bowen Yang]

Because what's his face as president?

[Matt Rogers]

Because Biff turns into Trump and then he becomes president.

[Bowen Yang]

Right, right.

[Matt Rogers]

The world's destitute. I'm like, tell me what you're like. How come what you like.

[Bowen Yang]

How do these people who make stories and make up fictional things sometimes they do know.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it's actually.

[Bowen Yang]

Did you know what's gonna happen?

[Matt Rogers]

It's not that hard to think. Like, I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

All I keep thinking about these days is Final Fantasy 7. I'm like, how did they know what happens in that? It's these people become eco terrorists because the government is literally a corporation. And that's what's happening now. Sorry. It's like our entire government is now being bought by private equity. In a sense, it's crazy. Like, the concept of like a national border is not going to be a thing very soon. It's like it's just going to be a big corporation. And that's literally the plot of Final Fantasy 7. This energy company called Shinra is sucking the life. The planet's life energy dry. And you are a band of eco terrorists trying to stop Shinra. But then you have to stop this insane super warrior named Sephiroth who wants to destroy the.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I've heard about Sephiroth. You've brought her up before. And Sephiroth did not like her at all.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, because I told you that she was voiced by Lance Bass and Kingdom Hearts.

[Matt Rogers]

Now, okay, are we saying she as in referring to Sephiroth as a big bad gay guy?

[Bowen Yang]

No, Sephiroth is. Well, Sephiroth could be read as queer for sure. Seriously, there's no romantic interest. Sephiroth is not romantic. In a way, Sephiroth is an ace king.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you think that if they did Sephiroth's backstory and we find out that actually Sephiroth was queer and maybe it was not so easy growing up that.

[Bowen Yang]

He would be a sympathetic character.

[Matt Rogers]

You would eventually gain sympathy for Sephiroth and understand.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe you do have sympathy for. For Sephiroth in the story, I will say, because he is. He starts out being this heroic warrior that clouds strife, idolizes and the whole world idolizes. Really. It's Sephiroth. He is a great. A warrior of great renown.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

But then he learns of his origins that he was created by having allegedly. Well, it's. It's so complicated. But he discovers that. That he was quote unquote, created by having the cells of this alien creature named Genova inj. This woman named Lucretia. And he has a psychotic breakdown because he's like, well, Genova is my mother and I have to destroy the planet because it, you know, Genova wants to. It's so complicated.

[Matt Rogers]

So a lot about family, lineage and what is expected of you clouding the judgment.

[Bowen Yang]

Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you believe that if Sephiroth could have just been a normal gay guy, that he would have been happier?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think Japanese. So it's a Japanese game. Japanese culture has not fully grappled with queerness in the way that Western culture has. And that's not a knock on it. It's just.

[Matt Rogers]

So I'm doing a lot of conjecture.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I think you're asking such important questions, and I think it would be a better game if there was an explicit queer narrative put in.

[Matt Rogers]

So what you're saying is you think that if Japanese culture was only at the place that American culture is at, like, if they had really grappled with queerness and they could have injected that into the story of Sephiroth, that we as a world culture could understand Sephiroth more and therefore we might have more.

[Bowen Yang]

Of a sympathy for him, perhaps. And I will say, and I do want to walk back something and say that it's not that there's a notion of catching up, that Japan has to catch up to Western culture in terms of queerness. In many ways, they've been pioneers. Of course, there's the sailor stars. There's a huge, very trenchant trans narrative in that it's this boy band. When they turn into the sailor stars, they turn into women.

[Matt Rogers]

So we could learn from Japanese culture about how to respect your people always. We. You think that we should do more like they do.

[Bowen Yang]

And I would encourage you to go visit the nation of Japan.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, I want to go.

[Bowen Yang]

I know you do.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, after you came back and had such a wonderful time, I thought, that's the next spot for me. I thought, let's go to Tokyo.

[Bowen Yang]

What would you want to do in Tokyo? I think you will have a very Stefani esque, Gwen Stefani esque sort of journey there. You will visit Harris.

[Matt Rogers]

And then I come back even more problematic.

[Bowen Yang]

When have you ever been problematic? I ask this genuinely. Truly.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm like, when have I ever been problematic? Probably in the ways normal white gay.

[Bowen Yang]

Men are, in the ways that everybody is.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But let's just say it, like, problematic.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, I think, oh, I don't want. I don't actually want to explore this.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you brought it up.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I'm.

[Matt Rogers]

I thought you tried to burn me on this episode. That's what you did. You came in here and you said, I'm gonna get him once and for all. You've been so combative.

[Bowen Yang]

Combative. Even this. We had a Microsoft Teams meeting this morning, and Matt was in the middle of this. It was like 20 people, and Matt was in the middle of this great run. And I just wanted to quickly add something in. And then Matt, you know, in a very interesting way, said, let me Finish. That wasn't you.

[Matt Rogers]

I wasn't talking to you. Someone else was trying to touch.

[Bowen Yang]

No, you were talking to me.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it wasn't. I'm telling you. I can't say the person's name, but someone. Someone there was like. And I felt them do that. And that was what that was.

[Bowen Yang]

What was the word choice exactly? It was.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't do this.

[Bowen Yang]

Let me finish. It was.

[Matt Rogers]

I think it was. I think. I think what I said to this other person was. Just one second.

[Bowen Yang]

Just one second is really charged. Oh, my God. Just one second.

[Matt Rogers]

I wasn't.

[Bowen Yang]

When you know, it's not going to be just one second.

[Matt Rogers]

Excuse me. What was it, six seconds? First of all, now, it wasn't you that I was doing that to, but now I'm pissed. You tried to cut me off during Microsoft Teams meeting.

[Bowen Yang]

First of all. Well, that's. This is my own thing, so. Honey. Oh, what? Oh, no, no, not you. Just. Just the platform.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, Microsoft Teams.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't understand. No, we need to save it. It is actually. I came in with this in the pocket.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm happy that you did. I didn't have anything today. Life's been so good. Everything's been great.

[Bowen Yang]

You look great in this cardigan, by the way.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you. This is one of my favorite things. It's from Corridor.

[Bowen Yang]

I love Corridor.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I really like them. They're really good. Oh, look. But I've buttoned it incorrectly.

[Bowen Yang]

That's okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, you know that. That horrible feeling. It's whimsical.

[Bowen Yang]

No, never mind. No, it looks even.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it's good. It's even.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what Quarter's good at every Knits.

[Matt Rogers]

Sweaters.

[Bowen Yang]

Sweaters. Flannels, gay and straight can wear.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. In fact, sometimes you go in there and I can only describe the atmosphere from people that work there as gay or super friendly straight guys. And you leave being like, we're gonna be all right. Yeah, we're gonna be all right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. I do leave quarter thinking, God, I mean, if we could all just come together at Corridor. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You know who's a straight guy that I actually. It's worked on me. You know what I'm going to say?

[Bowen Yang]

Remind me.

[Matt Rogers]

Dylan Efron from the Traders.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, we love Dylan.

[Matt Rogers]

I love the vibe. I love the vibe.

[Bowen Yang]

Just a sweet boy.

[Matt Rogers]

You see that one picture that's floating around online about him with his booty in the air?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, sure.

[Matt Rogers]

We should literally put it up on the back wall and just like, have that be the thing for lost colors.

[Bowen Yang]

Doug, can you look up Dylan Efron booty.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. And then show your wife your Google search history later. Dylan Efron asked in air. He's in like the water or something. You gotta look it up.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, I've seen this picture.

[Matt Rogers]

It's very Tate McCrae coded.

[Bowen Yang]

Very Tate McCrae coded. I'm excited to truly finally see what she looks like.

[Matt Rogers]

Tate.

[Bowen Yang]

Tate. Because, you know, on iconic 400, we were singing her braces. But my bit back then was she's just moving around so much still.

[Matt Rogers]

We want to see your beautiful face.

[Bowen Yang]

You want to see your beautiful face. And of course, this is all in jest. We love Tate and we. She's a beautiful girl and she does have a history of sitting still and being still.

[Matt Rogers]

We're about to. We're about to have a conversation with her.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Sing a little something for us. Tay McCray.

[Bowen Yang]

I just want you two hands on me.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a bop.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a great song.

[Matt Rogers]

How you doing over there with that gay search?

[Bowen Yang]

I got it.

[Matt Rogers]

What do you think? All right, now put it up here. Now, I know it has to be a certain frame rate or something. We're going to look at this, whatever it is. Frame rate. You can't get it up here.

[Bowen Yang]

You can't get it up.

[Matt Rogers]

It's on the drive. Then bring your computer over here.

[Bowen Yang]

We will have it. We'll just show it to the camera.

[Matt Rogers]

Show it to the camera. Okay, so this is the pic. This is a sort of famous picture of Dylan Efron. Now I'm going to zoom in.

[Bowen Yang]

Zoom in on this.

[Matt Rogers]

All right, so this is what we're giving. This is good stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

Now, why would that man do that if he wasn't trying to tease and.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm okay with it.

[Bowen Yang]

And bait a little. Well, you know, he looks like a skilled, skilled boy.

[Matt Rogers]

This is back arch culture. I mean, this is a great picture. This is an amazing photo.

[Bowen Yang]

There's such a confidence in that pose. Yeah. That it makes you wonder. And I. And it's not like a. This is not a panic situation. It's just like, embrace it.

[Matt Rogers]

The eyes are locked on the camera too.

[Bowen Yang]

The eyes are National Geographic eyes.

[Matt Rogers]

This is. You can only describe this as Tate McCrae coded.

[Bowen Yang]

Of course.

[Matt Rogers]

It's actually roller culture number 90. You can only describe this picture as Tate McCrae coded.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Doug. We'll return the laptop.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm not ready to give it up.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, give it up.

[Matt Rogers]

Great. By the way, there was that one scene of he comes over to take it. I say, no, no, there was that one scene of Dylan Efron and Tom Sandoval walking up when they were in like, like.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, when they were a couple. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Spoiler alert for traitors.

[Bowen Yang]

There's a duo challenge, and Tom Sandoval and Dylan Efron are a duo in the challenge.

[Matt Rogers]

And they're like a married couple. They're both dressed up.

[Bowen Yang]

Got you.

[Matt Rogers]

It worked on me, unfortunately. The redemption of Tom Sandoval.

[Bowen Yang]

No, there's no redemption. There's no light in that man's eyes.

[Matt Rogers]

The redemption is not working on me. I'm still. Oh, please. About Tom. But I will say, when I watched him and Dylan Efron walk down the aisle together, I had thoughts.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, that was just the idea of two men walking down the aisle.

[Matt Rogers]

Am I that horny?

[Bowen Yang]

No, I. I've been. Okay. I'm about to get vulnerable. Let's go.

[Matt Rogers]

This is what I've been wanting from you.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not.

[Matt Rogers]

This is the vulnerability the judges have been looking for.

[Bowen Yang]

But this is maybe what you're getting at, which is sometimes I can just kind of get there by just thinking about the idea of two men kissing.

[Matt Rogers]

I will say this.

[Bowen Yang]

Does that make sense?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. I would rather watch men make out.

[Bowen Yang]

Than do anything else.

[Matt Rogers]

All this other stuff they're doing to.

[Bowen Yang]

Each other than go to war.

[Matt Rogers]

I would so much can I say I agree with you. I'd rather. I would so much rather watch men kiss than go to war.

[Bowen Yang]

Whoever did that mural in Berlin of, whatever was it like Henry Kissinger and no Gorbachev making out or whatever that Berlin mural is, you know, just done that. They should have just done that.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I say something about these warmongers? They would love gay sex. Like, it's so fun. And once you get over the hill of like the pain or whatever, like, you're going to love the way you look. I guarantee you.

[Bowen Yang]

I guarantee it. This is my thing not to talk about the gender binary too much, but I think, of course, never we were talking. I was asking about Jalen Hurts last night during the super bowl, and one of our friends there was saying how he has, like an all female team, basically.

[Matt Rogers]

Love that.

[Bowen Yang]

Manager, publicist, whatever, all women. And like, he was asked about that and he was like, yeah, I was raised by a strong mother and women are just better at their jobs and they're just better people. And I was like, see, this is the thing. And I thought, oh, sure, like. Cause an all male team would be like, just all so much energy, so much like, pent up something where I'm like, I mean, not to say gay guys don't have their problems, but you are. There is a nice release of the valve.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, they're constantly releasing valves.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Not even necessarily on the weekends. Sometimes it happens Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.

[Bowen Yang]

Talking about gay guys or straight guys.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I say I released the valve on Friday day?

[Bowen Yang]

That's great.

[Matt Rogers]

My new thing is I love a daytime weekday hookup. And I understand a lot of people work there, nine to fives, but for those who have alternate schedules, talking to all my gay podcasters out there, daytime hookup is actually so good because you have a lot of energy.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You haven't eaten a lot yet that day.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Or at all. And I just like hooking up when I can see the daylight, when you.

[Bowen Yang]

Can go to a show.

[Matt Rogers]

After hooked up the other day, me and the guy went and got a sandwich.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

I just put your two hands on me when I lie.

[Bowen Yang]

What sandwich?

[Matt Rogers]

Did you get such a good sandwich? Actually, this part I can't be specific about. It was an insane. It was like a spicy pesto chicken sandwich that you could never eat before.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

You bottom during the day.

[Bowen Yang]

No way.

[Matt Rogers]

But post bottoming during the day. Roll up your sleeves. We're eating spicy.

[Bowen Yang]

We're eating. And fisting the spicy chicken.

[Matt Rogers]

I didn't like that language at all.

[Bowen Yang]

To the elbow.

[Matt Rogers]

What were we talking about? That. That came up.

[Bowen Yang]

No, we were talking about.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, we were talking about someone we found someone. Someone loves someone we found out, likes to be. Have this sexual activity. It's on their menu, which is fisting.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And I kind of just said, but.

[Bowen Yang]

Matt really dropped into a character and he was like. And he just really. He like mimed it essential. He's like.

[Matt Rogers]

I think we went like a glove. Because they were talking about how fisting begins, right? Where it's like you have to go in with.

[Bowen Yang]

You gotta go in with. With fingers like this. It's gotta be like Italian hands.

[Matt Rogers]

Like when you hold a pen, right.

[Bowen Yang]

This is how you hold a pen.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I hold a pen. Weird. You see me, right? I have smudges all over this part of my hand when I write.

[Bowen Yang]

Thoughts on this?

[Matt Rogers]

I'm a writer who writes like a lefty. That's why.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, a lot of great writers hold their pen in a fucked up way. Like yourself.

[Matt Rogers]

Sylvia Plath.

[Bowen Yang]

Sylvia Plath. Isn't it so curious anytime there's like a great artist who like holds their pen like this, I'm like, oh, that's.

[Matt Rogers]

Why I loved the way you said, isn't it so curious. Like it's just the way you tossed that, isn't it so curious Foreign hey, as you know, hair thinning is a very common, very frustrating problem that many men deal with. From stress and nutrition to hormones to lifestyle, so many internal factors affect what you see on the outside. Luckily, neutral is here to help.

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Well, not everybody. I mean it's hard to find your soulmate.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Ha. I follow you Bowlmate someone to share your Qdoba with.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Right. But here's the kicker. You can get a free entree this Valentine's Day when you order an entree and drink.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh. One for you and one to share.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

You know what? I just watched?

[Bowen Yang]

Did he? Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Did he?

[Bowen Yang]

We haven't really talked on Peacock.

[Matt Rogers]

Thank you, Peacock. Only people saying the truth.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, people with journalistic integrity these days.

[Matt Rogers]

It's only Peacock out there saying the truth.

[Bowen Yang]

It's only Peacock out there saying that. This is a coup this is a coup. They're not saying that.

[Matt Rogers]

People really aren't saying.

[Bowen Yang]

People aren't saying it.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, did you see that crazy ass interview that Kristi Noem did, by the way? Kristi Noem, I forget what. Come on. But she's, she's.

[Bowen Yang]

And she's. She's Homeland Security.

[Matt Rogers]

She's Homeland Security. She's the one who shot her dog because it was annoying and then gotten.

[Bowen Yang]

Glam before the ICE raids in New York.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. So she was, I think with Dana Bash on CNN being like, we can't trust the government. And Dana Bash was like, you, you are the government. Can't trust the government. Like, what are they going to say now that they can't say? Well, no, but the problem is the fault is entirely with the government.

[Bowen Yang]

That's them saying we are just here to. To dismantle.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, right, right.

[Bowen Yang]

You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, cool, great.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's like. But then, like, where does that authority come from anyway?

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I love about all this? It's making eggs cheaper. Not a lot about all these executive orders, like, totally changing the price of.

[Bowen Yang]

Milk 100% and thank God that 10 trans athletes in the United States can no longer compete.

[Matt Rogers]

What are we talking about? And you know, progressive media is falling apart, too.

[Bowen Yang]

You were telling me about this drama between the Young Turks.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, the Young Turks is in shambles.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, it's. Oh, God, it's crazy.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, just to watch them make like a rightward swing to watch the. On, like, Jillian Michaels podcast. It's crazy.

[Bowen Yang]

Jillian Michaels is out. Is out here with the right wing podcast.

[Matt Rogers]

This is my impression of Jillian Michaels on her podcast. Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Biggest Loser, Jillian Michaels.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. She kind of went the complete opposite direction as Bob Harper. Bob Harper went to the Truth and the Light, which is Peacock.

[Bowen Yang]

Which is Peacocks. The traitors.

[Matt Rogers]

Jillian went swinging Right. Podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

What was. How do we get on this?

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know how we've gotten on a single thing we've talked about today. It's been one of the documentaries. Oh, we didn't even talk about Diddy.

[Bowen Yang]

We haven't talked about Diddy on this podcast. And do we have to. Maybe not. Maybe we don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Rapists. But the thing. Okay, this is what I think we can say about Diddy. When you really look back at, like making the ban and you really look back at all of the media that we have of him, pretty much everything, it's kind of shocking that no question was asked about the way he treated anyone in his orbit, because it was like exclusively abusive and totalitarian, but his.

[Bowen Yang]

Version of he's an abusive narcissist, which might feel like it's a redundant thing, but it's like he was always very good at the image. And of course, if you watch any isolated episode of making the band, you're like, fuck, that's a monster. But then like, after this club shooting that JLO was at, like, that's, that's another crazy thing. After that club shooting and after he was acquitted because he had fucking Johnny Cochran on, on the horn, like, yeah, he really, like, cleaned up the pr. He took years off, cleaned up the pr, changed his name to Diddy from Puff Daddy. Like, he was always really good at, like shifting the perception, you know. And even when, even last year when like, you know, Cassie filed the complaint and the civil suit, like, he was denied. Deny, deny. And then the video came out of him in the towel, like chasing after her and beating the shit out of her. That was when that video came out. He goes on live or he just releases some front facing video being like.

[Matt Rogers]

I take full responsibility.

[Bowen Yang]

Responsibility.

[Matt Rogers]

I've listened to a lot of podcasts about narcissists in the past couple of years and just trying to understand this behavior. And it's anything they can do in a moment to get to shirk responsibility or to just like, another tactic is I'm going to say out loud the thing that's wrong about myself so that I can claim it as a victim narrative and no one can say it about me.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Like these people, when they're put into a corner, it's not always the Trump thing of like, you're wrong, you're wrong, you're wrong. There's other. Also another narcissistic tactic, which is I'm going to make myself seem like such a pathetic victim and like say all this stuff about myself so that actually everyone else is rendered speechless. Because I've already said it. They have no intent on actually changing, but they need everyone to know that they're aware because wouldn't it be crazy if they weren't? That's like another tactic that you see him. I was playing.

[Bowen Yang]

I was gonna connect a dot to Housewives, but it feels appropriate.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, oh, oh.

[Bowen Yang]

It's giving. Yeah, it's giving that right.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's insane to compare her to Diddy.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I mean, but, no, but I, I do think, like, I actually, I have felt pretty triggered because you see all these, like, narcissists getting away with everything.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like, I'm Sorry, but you watched the super bowl the other night. Trump comes out to all of this applause and all of this fanfare while the world gets expeditiously worse by the second. And then you watch, like, all the commercials, and it's like, Casey Affleck's back in a Super bowl commercial, and, like, Tom Cruise is still Tom Cruise. Like, he's not the figurehead of a cult. You know what I mean? It's like, it's very frustrating. And then I turned to the room, and I was like, this is kind of crazy, right? And someone was like, straight white men are back. They're back. And then there was that Bud Light commercial. The overcorrection there is wild, right? It's a lot. It's like, okay, we really are making a big pivot back to, like, not just a conservative mindset, but, like, a truly, like, fuck off. To anyone that's tried to make us feel badly for being who we are as straight white men. It's like, that wasn't even what happened. All we wanted was, like, for there to be some accountability about the pain that's been caused by a straight white man only ideology for this long. Like, they're just upset that people have a voice now. And so it's like, that was one thing, but then it was like, when media included people and tried to make everyone feel included in, like, a, you know, consumerist way. That's when they really had had enough.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure. Yeah. Like, you can't be in our Bud Light commercials.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, not Bud Light.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. Well, they're back.

[Matt Rogers]

No, they're back.

[Bowen Yang]

It's awesome.

[Matt Rogers]

So what happens now to Lost?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know. I can't tell. I think Jillian Michaels is third co host. Vibes. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

We would tear.

[Bowen Yang]

We absolutely slay the house down. Boots with Megyn Kelly.

[Matt Rogers]

The Red Scare Girls were on Megyn Kelly.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, great.

[Matt Rogers]

They were having martinis and talking about the election.

[Bowen Yang]

What kind of. What kind of martinis? I wonder.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know. I think they were having martinis. I think that was the part of it that I pulled. I was like, are they fucking drinking martinis and talking about the end of the world? Anyways? What part of you is afraid right now?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, a huge part.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, right now, in even talking.

[Bowen Yang]

About all this and talking about it right now.

[Matt Rogers]

Not existentially. I just mean, like, when you get on the mic and talk about this.

[Bowen Yang]

Types of stuff, I don't think, like, no one's gonna, like, come knocking on our door because it's like, they're not worried about us. You know what I mean? They were never worried about us. And we've never been, like, warriors in that sense.

[Matt Rogers]

I've never been a warrior. I'm a gay guy that likes to, like, have sex during the day.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally.

[Matt Rogers]

But when are they gonna come for us with that?

[Bowen Yang]

I know, but that's like, gay guys who have sex during the day literally don't threaten anything about, like, it doesn't concern them at all. So, like, there's no need. But they're gonna want to come for that. But, like, there's no need to. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

I think it's because they haven't done it yet. I'm telling you, the other day, like, I had such incredible sex during the day with a gay guy, and I was like, this is the key. This is, like, the key is for people to just understand, like, while you're out here wreaking havoc from a government perspective, you could be getting it from behind on the floor during the day.

[Bowen Yang]

That's how you know it's real. I'm just hardwood carpet. Carpeted.

[Matt Rogers]

Took the. Took the comforter off the bed, threw it on the ground, and pointed to the floor.

[Bowen Yang]

You did that?

[Matt Rogers]

No, he did that. I said, this is exactly right.

[Bowen Yang]

Kennel vibes.

[Matt Rogers]

I even said, I know that's right out loud.

[Bowen Yang]

Can you imagine?

[Matt Rogers]

Can you imagine if after every position change during gay sex, you went to the butt and said, I know that's right. Me on the floor. I know that's right.

[Bowen Yang]

I know that's right.

[Matt Rogers]

Me getting into the butt. I know that's right.

[Bowen Yang]

Me opening the door to trade. Coming in. We don't have a minute to spare.

[Matt Rogers]

Don't bring her into this.

[Bowen Yang]

We love you.

[Matt Rogers]

Sometimes this podcast is just for me and you in a way where I'm like, how are people listening to it? And then so many people do, because there's gonna be people that exactly know the reference when you say, we don't have a minute to spare.

[Bowen Yang]

And the people know that reference in part because of you. I'm not giving any crap. I'm just saying, like, you introduced me to Berk Ashley.

[Matt Rogers]

I spotlight the right people.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, and I am a faithful Brooke Ashley watcher.

[Matt Rogers]

Every episode.

[Bowen Yang]

Every episode, I have been. I have had a harder time sitting through the live reactions to all the Housewives episodes that she's had because they tend to be longer.

[Matt Rogers]

It takes a long time, and you got a lot. You have to get with a lot of people.

[Bowen Yang]

And I think she's a Very talented editor. I think she's very good at just cutting together a nice 40 minute recap.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, speaking of housewives recaps, I have a very bad feeling about your girl Stacy Rush at the Potomac reunion.

[Bowen Yang]

Explain.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you see the preview for it?

[Bowen Yang]

I saw the preview that they played at the finale, but no.

[Matt Rogers]

It is alleged that she paid TJ all season to be her boyfriend.

[Bowen Yang]

I've heard that.

[Matt Rogers]

And that he finally is like, she hasn't paid me. I'm not coming to the reunion. It was all fake. How are you gonna deal with that? If it's true, which it looks like.

[Bowen Yang]

I think that's iconic. Stacy Rush is a perfect housewife. They've even said in the Vulture recaps that she is an alpha. Oh, no, I'm sorry. She's an apex predator housewife in the making. The way she came, she. She went after Karen and Giselle by the end of the season. I know that's right. But put the comforter on the floor because I know that's right.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm taking it in the butt from that.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm taking in the butt from that. From Stacy Rush. She is the most. I mean, this is the thing. It's a. It's a lookism thing. It's like she's so beautiful that I don't care what she does.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow, okay, so you. You don't care if it comes to light that she paid this actor?

[Bowen Yang]

Is that the worst thing anyone can do? By the way, that's not a morally wrong thing.

[Matt Rogers]

It's explicitly not real. Your reality.

[Bowen Yang]

But is that not a new.

[Matt Rogers]

I love watching you swim upstream.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm not swimming upstream. I think you'll agree with me. Is that like, new achievement unlocked? Like, we have not seen a housewife do that. That's an iconic novel housewife behavior. Paying for some random insane man. Cause he is crazy. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's another thing is his behavior. Now that we know it's probably fake, his behavior is, like, even wilder because did he think he was gonna book as a result of this on camera activity? You look wacko, sir.

[Bowen Yang]

You're a wacko, Jacko. And he's. And is that not amazing for a.

[Matt Rogers]

Housewife to do that?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

He comes in on 15 out of.

[Bowen Yang]

10 with AJ, her friend.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, yes, yes. And then he was like, she doesn't want a problem. And so neither of us have a problem, and we don't have a problem. And then he drags her away and she's like, you're giving a lot of energy.

[Bowen Yang]

You're being alive.

[Matt Rogers]

And he was like, I just wanted some time with you. I want a time with you.

[Bowen Yang]

He is.

[Matt Rogers]

You look so beautiful. And I'm so happy to be here tonight. It's like, so clear that it's sage when you look back. But it's like she got more than she bargained for.

[Bowen Yang]

She got more than she bargained for. But that is a new. That's something. And I'm being genuine here. I'm not. I'm not, like, being gymnastic about this. It's like, she is so interesting.

[Matt Rogers]

Can I tell you what I think is going to happen?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I think Robin's coming back. And I'm not mad about it.

[Bowen Yang]

I keep taking these L's.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you look at it as an L?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. She's bad on tv.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I don't think she is. I actually liked Robin on Traders on Traitor.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm willing to burn this with Robin.

[Bowen Yang]

Really? Why won't you burn it?

[Matt Rogers]

Where was that from again?

[Bowen Yang]

That's Salt Lake City.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, Salt Lake City. I wanna burn this. Lisa fucking Barlow. Why won't you burn it, Lisa? Why won't you burn it? She comes over to the other couch.

[Bowen Yang]

Burn it. Burn it. Burn it.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

I was ready to burn it with Giselle. And then she goes. Went ahead and showed her ass.

[Matt Rogers]

She made it too personal.

[Bowen Yang]

Irredeemable. I'm sorry.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I would say Giselle. It's a no. I'm interested in Robin Dixon. Listen, I think it would be interesting to have her come back in light of all the Karen stuff.

[Bowen Yang]

Especially if Karen ends up going to jail.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you think she's gonna go to jail?

[Bowen Yang]

There's a high chance. There's a non. There's a. Not even a non. 0 chance.

[Matt Rogers]

There is a definition.

[Bowen Yang]

There is a definition. Chance. In the words of Adam Warble, definish.

[Matt Rogers]

Chance is my favorite thing.

[Bowen Yang]

You said it twice a day at least in front of me. There is a definition. If you work as you should, you'll be making good.

[Matt Rogers]

That is literally my message to Robin.

[Bowen Yang]

There's a definite chance. If you work as you should, you'll be making good. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Because I think Robin. This is the thing. You kind of have to look back at the whole thing with different eyes now that we found out that there's the. The stuff with Karen is so deep and dark.

[Bowen Yang]

What does that have to do with Robin?

[Matt Rogers]

Robin was always on Karen's ass.

[Bowen Yang]

Right?

[Matt Rogers]

And Karen acts like. And I love Karen, Hugo.

[Bowen Yang]

We love Karen, Hugh.

[Matt Rogers]

But she's acted like bigger and Better than all of it for such a long time.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

And then all of a sudden looming. There's this like, darkness, which, you know, she wasn't. Well, she's.

[Bowen Yang]

But she's always been so obsessed with the etiquette and what's. What's Potomac and what's not Potomac?

[Matt Rogers]

Etiquette. Obsession is so funny to me.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, it's. It does belie this thing that she has nothing figured out in her life. That, like, Ray never fucking paid his taxes or whatever. And like, there was a man, another man with her in the car that night.

[Matt Rogers]

Do we believe that that's true?

[Bowen Yang]

I think that might be true. But this is all. This is all, you know, we need Wendy Williams more than ever. So apparently she's. She's done that interview where she, where people are like, she sounds normal.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that's a hard thing to say about anyone in any, like. Because she also has a diagnosis.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

So it's like people that struggle with, you know, any sort of. I don't even know how cognitive, like, situation. You're gonna have good days and bad days. So I get the entire Internet being like, see, look, she's fine. It's like, I don't know, she got a diagnosis from a doctor. We've also seen her beat very not fine.

[Bowen Yang]

Right, right, right.

[Matt Rogers]

So I think people should continue to let the professionals weigh in on what Wendy should or should not be doing.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank you for saying that, by the way.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I'm a doctor.

[Bowen Yang]

Well. But I. I presented something. Why do you laugh, Jordan? Are you all laughing?

[Matt Rogers]

He laughed at me when I said I was a doctor. I have four degrees. I only have one degree.

[Bowen Yang]

I know. I had a census worker call me. And she, for some reason, the way she said, and you have one bachelor's degree? Yes. And I said, uh huh. For some reason it sounded like a dick.

[Matt Rogers]

And you have. Let me look here. Oh, it's easy to count. Because it's just one bachelor's degree.

[Bowen Yang]

It's easy to count.

[Matt Rogers]

Bachelor of arts in chemistry. That's interesting. Nyu. Okay, now I understand.

[Bowen Yang]

That makes sense.

[Matt Rogers]

So one bachelor's of arts in chemistry. It says here, just looking at your extracurriculars. Danger box Improv.

[Bowen Yang]

Very good fun improv group.

[Matt Rogers]

That's very good fun improv group.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. So. Yep, I guess I've heard all I need to hear as the census hangs up the phone. One idiot, useless idiot, waste of money bag gay guy that I call a faggot.

[Bowen Yang]

Where are we on the word faggot?

[Matt Rogers]

Because I'M embracing it, as you can see. I've used it several times.

[Bowen Yang]

Is it a thing where our friends over at Stradio Lab have said, reclaiming an insult is which I don't think faggot applies.

[Matt Rogers]

They'll say anything about Stradio Lab. They'll say anything. They just want clicks. No, you can never be lost, period.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I predict a rise in that slur being used just in a more general.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, certainly, certainly. Well, straight white men being so back.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

You can bet your bottom dollar that you're going to hear the word faggot. I hear it's happening in the Austin comedy scene a lot.

[Bowen Yang]

I. People on the ground.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And tell them to go to oil can Harry's and you know, you can call someone a faggot if you've, if you've had an anal fissure.

[Matt Rogers]

I wouldn't wish that on anybody.

[Bowen Yang]

If you've experienced anal pain in such a crazy, apocalyptic way, like every gay man has. Yeah, you can use that word.

[Matt Rogers]

Remember yesterday? What I went to the bathroom to pee, came out of the bathroom and I was like, ah. Because I had like a sudden insane pain in my butthole. Remember that?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I am the transparent one on this show.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm transparent.

[Matt Rogers]

Say something transparent.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh my God. I, I shave. I shaved. I did a, A full pube shave for the first time in months.

[Matt Rogers]

Because a man asked you to?

[Bowen Yang]

No, because I was like, it's. I'm getting. I, I gotta whack the weeds.

[Matt Rogers]

Imagine a man like rolling over and being like, that was great. Next time. I, I just. For me, my preference is that you shave everything. Kiss me. So good, babe. You like to be a little spoon or big spoon? Nice. I like to be big.

[Bowen Yang]

I gotta say.

[Matt Rogers]

Feel good. Feel good. You feel even better. Hairless.

[Bowen Yang]

Spooning, how do we feel?

[Matt Rogers]

It's always good for 5, 10 minutes.

[Bowen Yang]

And 5 and 10 seems like a liberal sort of allotment of time because.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what happens when you spoon. Okay, this is what the arms.

[Bowen Yang]

Where do the arms go?

[Matt Rogers]

No, this is unfortunately what happens when spooning works too well.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

And I'm gonna reveal this and the person that this is about listens to this podcast and is gonna know. And no one acknowledged this when it happened, but I am acknowledging it now. So I hook up with someone while I'm on tour. I know this person well.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

So we sort of have like a, like a friend slash sex relationship and have sex. Great, Wonderful. And then afterwards he's big spoon.

[Bowen Yang]

Uh huh.

[Matt Rogers]

And it actually was good Big spoon where you actually could sleep like that, really. But unfortunately, it was just good. We just, like, had good puzzle pieces. But bed chem.

[Bowen Yang]

It was. But bed chem. But it was.

[Matt Rogers]

Sabrina, come on the podcast. I'm so serious.

[Bowen Yang]

It's. But it's. You're saying it was good puzzle pieces?

[Matt Rogers]

It was really good puzzle pieces. We had bed cam, and I was feeling like, oh, I actually could fall asleep with this man holding me.

[Bowen Yang]

Amazing.

[Matt Rogers]

Lovely. No risk of any relationship here. He's in a relationship, et cetera. So I go into that dream state of, like, where you're, like, half asleep, half whatever, and when you're being held like that and you have sense memory to a time when being held like that. You were in a relationship. I half asleep. He shifted a little bit, and I kind of went back and I kissed him and I said, I love you.

[Bowen Yang]

And this is him. This was in a stupor. Like, it was in a stupor.

[Matt Rogers]

And I literally. I'm not in love with this person.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't.

[Matt Rogers]

I do love this person.

[Bowen Yang]

I care for them.

[Matt Rogers]

We have sex, but I don't. I'm. The way I say it is because I was somewhere else. I think I honestly got triggered to a time when, oh, my God, I was in love with the man that held me. And so. And so I go, love you. I love you. I. It's fully three words, because love you is different than I love you. I fully say I love you. I feel him go, look, I feel kind of like a shift. And then I lay down, and now I'm, like, wide awake because I'm like, oh, like, I just.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, that woke you up or the shift woke you up?

[Matt Rogers]

The shift. And then I love you. And then his, like, little, like, moment. I could have gone right back to bed because I was in half rem. You felt the tension, but I was like, oh, no. I just said I love you to this guy. Oh, that's so bad. And I just played dead. And then it was fine. And we never talked about it until now. And I.

[Bowen Yang]

So you. So this is the first time you're bringing it up after. After the mo.

[Matt Rogers]

After the incident. I almost said something right in the moment, but I thought, like, I almost. Because, like, you know, when 20 seconds.

[Bowen Yang]

Pass and then 25 and then 30, the windows close.

[Matt Rogers]

I could have just been like, hey, I said I love you. I. I don't mean it. I. I do. But, like, you know, and he would have been like, it's fine.

[Bowen Yang]

I think window is always open.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, it's out there now.

[Bowen Yang]

It's out there now. The windows up. So. Okay, so. And he listens and you think religiously he will. Okay, he. Will he receive that.

[Matt Rogers]

I will receive a dm.

[Bowen Yang]

That's great.

[Matt Rogers]

And I think it's great.

[Bowen Yang]

That's.

[Matt Rogers]

Unless he doesn't remember which. That's also fine. But I guess now he's being reminded I don't love any of you. That I fudge once. Can I just say, like, that's not like. I think the earliest I've said it is after three. Three. Three times.

[Bowen Yang]

After three times. That was. That. That was the soonest you had said I loved. I love you.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But have you had sex with this.

[Bowen Yang]

Person more than three times?

[Matt Rogers]

This person?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I've had sex with like three or four times.

[Bowen Yang]

So then you. Then you're.

[Matt Rogers]

But. But it was a mistake.

[Bowen Yang]

I've.

[Matt Rogers]

I've said I love you one time for real, which was a horrible mistake that I made after, like, after three times. Once. And it was. It was too soon. But you live, you learn.

[Bowen Yang]

You live, you learn. Well, thank you for sharing that, by the way.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, I'm the transparent one.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't. Well, you know, you're the combative one. You're the combative one is what you are. And so you wield.

[Matt Rogers]

I am the heart of this podcast.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

And you are the soul.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know about that.

[Matt Rogers]

What are you.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know what I'm giving. I really don't know what I'm giving.

[Matt Rogers]

I love this topic. I love this. What do you mean you don't know what you're giving?

[Bowen Yang]

I'm back. You know what it is? I'm back in a moment of like, it's just. Okay, one thing onto the next. Onto the next. I've done like four cross country flights in two weeks. I like, literally barely know where I am. This is dark Echoes of like, the hard moments of shooting.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you actually feel that way?

[Bowen Yang]

A little bit. Well, I'm like, I don't think I've ever been funny or I've ever been, like, it's like, it's. No. And I know you're rolling your eyes and. But this is the thing that just like anyone who like, works professionally in comedy, like, feels it's a universal feeling. And so, like, that's not. I'm not like, hard on myself.

[Matt Rogers]

And you can draw the line to fatigue.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. But again, so uninteresting to talk about that on this podcast. And I, And I really have tried not to talk about this.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think it's uninteresting at all.

[Bowen Yang]

But I talk. There was a moment on the podcast where I was talking about it a lot, and people were like, oh, being tired. Being tired.

[Matt Rogers]

But that's different than, like, the. My perception of myself is in flux and affected because I am so busy, which you could draw a line to success and. But. But that is, like, it's getting fuzzy for you.

[Bowen Yang]

And I don't. I don't connect it to success at all.

[Matt Rogers]

But the reason why you're traveling so much is because. That's what I'm saying is because there's.

[Bowen Yang]

Just things to be at for the next couple months. Right.

[Matt Rogers]

When will that end?

[Bowen Yang]

April. April is when, like, April's when, like, like, award stuff is done. And, like, I'm back on a regular schedule at snl.

[Matt Rogers]

So the Oscars isn't, like, the finish line for.

[Bowen Yang]

I think Oscars is the finish line. But then after Oscars, there's more stuff. You and I may have to talk about a trip.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, right.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

But that's fun.

[Bowen Yang]

That's fun. But right now, my brain is only registering. It's, like, another place to be at.

[Matt Rogers]

We'll reframe that later.

[Bowen Yang]

Totally Bowen.

[Matt Rogers]

And I want to go to Berlin.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm still coasting on the Japan trip. Like, I'm still, like, in a.

[Matt Rogers]

Such a positive thing.

[Bowen Yang]

Such a positive thing. And, like, I will hold on to that for the rest of my life. Like, a friend was asking me about it the other night, and I just. Like, even just in recounting, and I just got emotional again. Just talking about the Pokemon plane and talking about the food I ate and all these things. And the wrestling. New Japan Pro wrestling. Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

So Valentine's Day is coming up. You know, everybody's gonna be dining out with their soulmate.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, not everybody. I mean, it's hard to find your soulmate.

[Matt Rogers]

True. But, you know, it's easy to find your bullmate at Qdoba.

[Bowen Yang]

I follow you. Bowlmate. Someone to share your Qdoba with.

[Matt Rogers]

That's right, because everybody can get exactly what they want at Qdoba. You can create your own tacos, burritos, and bowls.

[Bowen Yang]

And what's more romantic than always getting that famous three cheese queso and handcrafted guacamole free on your entree at Qdoba.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. But here's the kicker. You can get a free entree this Valentine's Day when you order an entree and drink.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, one for you and one to share, right?

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

I love it too. And I truly do love. I know we mention it a lot, but that Mongolian cashmere crewneck sweater. Not only was it affordable, but I be wearing it out on the town and the girls come up asking to touch me. I say, yes, you may, but just the Mongolian cashmere, not the skin. Not tonight.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

That's Q-U-I-N-C-E.com culturistas to get free shipping and 365 day returns. Quince.com culturistas and then I'm going to go with you to the Academy Awards. Do you think that we'll have, like, pretty good seats?

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, I hope so. It also doesn't matter. It's just going to be.

[Matt Rogers]

You took our bestie Jared to the critics Choice Awards and if you, if you know, you know, he was in the front.

[Bowen Yang]

We were front and center aligned with the microphone.

[Matt Rogers]

It was unreal.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God. We got to meet the whole substance team, the producers who tell them what they said. They listened to the episode. I think maybe the pot, I mean, like, publicists are out in full force. Literally in the, in the professional sense and in the lost colch sense. Like, I mean, it was very nice to connect with some of you. All of you really, like, it's fun. Like, we're all just talking about movies that we like. That's just, that's just what it is.

[Matt Rogers]

All we wanted was to be more on the podcast, but we don't think it can work.

[Bowen Yang]

You don't think it can work, but we got to be Coralie.

[Matt Rogers]

That's so cool.

[Bowen Yang]

Got to meet Margaret and Jack and Margaret and Jack.

[Matt Rogers]

Doesn't get bigger than that for me.

[Bowen Yang]

Ultimates and it was so fun. You know who was connecting with Jared, who was Cynthia.

[Matt Rogers]

I heard about this.

[Bowen Yang]

Cynthia and Jared were connecting a lot because anytime they would roll the nominees packages, these are two people who have the same media data, apparently, because they'd be like, I love that show. Or that was an amazing short. Oh, that documentary was amazing. These are just two people who've seen everything.

[Matt Rogers]

Jared told me that he was like, sing Sing, my favorite movie of the year. And that Cynthia went, sing Sing is my favorite movie of the year. It's absolutely my favorite movie of the year.

[Bowen Yang]

Really good. In Cynthia, Lauren.

[Matt Rogers]

Lauren Madison, Cynthia Remo. He'd love that.

[Bowen Yang]

He'd love that. John M2 winning best director.

[Matt Rogers]

That was so great.

[Bowen Yang]

Just to explain because people seem to have comments about this. The Orlando Bloom who presented the award pointed out that in the past, I think since Argo. So that's like the past 12 years, every director who's won the critics choice for Best Director has gone on to win Best Director at the Oscars.

[Matt Rogers]

And we say since Argo, because Ben Affleck was famously snubbed for the nomination for the Best Director.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

So this is the first time, because every single year since that director has won the Oscar. And now John is not nominated for the Oscar.

[Bowen Yang]

And John. John was snubbed for the Oscar. And so when he took the stage and won with that information sort of top of mind for everybody, he said, I'm gonna win that Oscar. And it was clearly a joke.

[Matt Rogers]

He looked handsome as hell.

[Bowen Yang]

So handsome. And did not have his speech prepared. Did not have his phone with him. Off the cuff. Off the Dome gave the best speech of the night.

[Matt Rogers]

I think off the cuff is the way to do it.

[Bowen Yang]

Absolutely. It's real. It's like he just started with the words, I've always loved telling stories, and it just went from there. And then he talked about being at his parents restaurant, comfort food at comfort prices. Talking about, like, spending his days just, like, writing and drawing at the restaurant while he was just trying to, like, get through the day. And it just reminded me of, like, all the times that, like, I would. I would just, like, make up stories. Like at Chinese school when I was, like, waiting for my parents to finish up, like, it's just. It just, like, dug up this thing in me where I was like, God, this is just what we. This is just what everybody in that room wants to do. And he told the most radical story of the year to me in, like, this mythic fantasy setting. Like, there's a lot of great, interesting, subversive stuff this year at the Oscars, but I feel like Wicked is this Trojan horse of a thing where it's, like, about whatever, like, antifascism, racism and, like, careerism and, like, all these things that, like, is such a huge, accessible container for everybody that, like, it's pretty incredible. And I say this as someone who, like, I have said I have just enough of an objective POV on this. Not objective, but, like, I'm obviously biased, but I just think, like, I love that movie so much, even when I can easily forget that I'm involved, I'm just like, that's such a great fucking movie.

[Matt Rogers]

Has he said anything to you guys about Wicked for good?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

What does he say?

[Bowen Yang]

They're still in the edit. Okay, so no trailer to Super Bowl Unfortunately. Sorry, y'all. They just want to get it right, but they've been busy with the word stuff. So, like, it's. The timeline is just the.

[Matt Rogers]

The dance card has been full. When did the. When did the Wicked teaser trailer come out? Was it.

[Bowen Yang]

It was super bowl last year.

[Matt Rogers]

I see.

[Bowen Yang]

So people were expecting it this year, but it will be great.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you think that Cynthia and Ariana will continue to do pink and green all the way through, or do you think they'll shift to a darker vibe because it's a darker film?

[Bowen Yang]

I think they'll shift to a darker film. I think Ari's gonna start working some blue in. As we've seen or not as you've seen on the red carpets. But, like, she. And they've already started to move away from pink and green, like. But one of Glinda's dresses in. In for Good is blue. As. As we've seen from those photos. You've seen those photos?

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know if I have.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

What scene is that from?

[Bowen Yang]

It's another. I think it's another Munchkin Land scene where she's with Fiyero, and I think people have, like, clocked those stills.

[Matt Rogers]

And you have no knowledge of the new song that Cynthia wrote for.

[Bowen Yang]

For Good? No, I don't. Honest to God's truth, I don't.

[Matt Rogers]

Why did you look away from me? Just for me, as someone who studies body language? Because I've been studying a lot of Justin Baldoni, Blake Lively body language. I noticed that when you said honest to God, I don't, you looked all the way up here.

[Bowen Yang]

I was looking to. I was looking at that camera, and I was addressing the listener readers, Katie's publicist, college finalist.

[Matt Rogers]

Honest to God.

[Bowen Yang]

Honest to God. I don't. And I really like. What do you want me to say?

[Matt Rogers]

Sing the song.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know the song.

[Matt Rogers]

Sing Cynthia's song.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know what it's.

[Matt Rogers]

So I'm trying to think where it's gonna come in.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't know. I really don't know.

[Matt Rogers]

I can't wait for no good deed.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh. I mean, no good deed. I can't wait for March of the Witch Hunters because that song goes off.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you in that?

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

So what can you say about Fanny's role? What can you tease for us about what Fanny gets up to? A wicked, forbidden.

[Bowen Yang]

Fanny and Shen have seen their worldview sort of pay off, which is we just want status.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's all I'll say.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you think that their Fall will be precipitous, I think.

[Bowen Yang]

I think their fall will be maybe quite literal.

[Matt Rogers]

I can't wait to see how this turns out. To see how this turns out. You know, they're saying Anora is going to win Best Picture now.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the favorite after DGA and pg.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Bowen Yang]

And I'm all for it.

[Matt Rogers]

Down for it.

[Bowen Yang]

Down for it. Although, I don't know. There's a case to be made about. I am just speaking to reputable people about this and there's a case to be made because voting opened up this week for Oscars. There's a case to be made about because the news has been so awful.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Something might motivate people to vote for the feel good but still politically relevant movie in Wicked.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I mean, I don't think it's out of it.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not out of it. Especially with the John Chuan at Critics Choice.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that there's the John Chu win at Critics Choice. I think the SAG Awards are still coming up. I think that the predictions were that you guys would take SAG ensemble, but now I don't. You know what I thought was going to happen? I thought maybe Producers Guild was going to go to a complete unknown just because it's like a lot of Bob Dylan fans.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, let's say.

[Matt Rogers]

But I just don't think that movie's that great. And I think that Anora now feels like they were saying with ranked choice voting.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

It feels like nobody hates.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Whereas like every other movie, it has. Even if they have a lot of love, there's like a lot of hatred. So, like, the way that you win Best Picture Oscar is if. If you get ranked 2 or 3 on everyone's ballot, you're gonna win.

[Bowen Yang]

Is that the Green Book effect, you think?

[Matt Rogers]

Sort of, yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like a movie that people. Well, because people kind of hated Green.

[Bowen Yang]

Book by the end, too. By the end. After voting had closed, you know.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Well, it's like it kind of became the villain late.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

So it was maybe too late. Whereas Emilia Perez, that film has become the villain quite early. And it's like sort of doomed. But Honora, if it's not people's number one, it's probably people's two, three or four. And that's because everything else is super polarizing.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Ray to Queen.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's Ray to Queen. It's Ray to Queen rules this year.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Raider Queen rules at the Oscars. I want to ask you about, because you brought it Up.

[Matt Rogers]

Me?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. Blake and Baldoni. Oh.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause we did. We.

[Bowen Yang]

We kind of touched on this with. On the Sarah episode. I mean, $400 million on top of the $250 million New York Times one.

[Matt Rogers]

My bit that whole week was so. Sorry, I have to take those texts. My husband and I are being sued for $400 million. I actually only have about 15 minutes. My husband and I are being sued for $400 million. Could we actually do lunch at 2? I have something from 12 to 1. It's a long story. My husband and I are being sued for $400 million.

[Bowen Yang]

That's really. See, that's a great sort of enunciation elocution. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I mean, things were going really great.

[Bowen Yang]

Tom's car got flipped over and flipped over a few times. I don't even know that.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's been a lot. Yeah, it's been a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

My husband and I are being suitable, so it's been quite a month.

[Bowen Yang]

Can I ask, like a.

[Matt Rogers]

You can ask anything. I am so deep on this. I'm so deep on this.

[Bowen Yang]

It seems like the prevailing story is that they're both bad.

[Matt Rogers]

I think that that is coming to light. Like, there's certainly been bad behavior on both sides.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure. But I am tending to side with Blake in this situation for the most part, because the Baldoni stuff is like. Like, he is, like, suing, like, his old publicist now for, like, releasing the text to the Times. And, like, there's just. It seems like there's more stuff. There's more tracks being, like, covered up on the Baldoni side.

[Matt Rogers]

There are a million lawsuits now flying around for so much money. It's so insane. The New York Times is involved, all these PR firms are involved. Etc. It's truly a story of just rich people being how dark, like, the way Hollywood works.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

It's like. It's because here's. Here's the real truth. You can be an asshole. It's not against the law. What's against the law is, you know, paying people in order to bury someone. Defamation, sexual harassment on set. Like, this type of thing is, like, against the law. So he can prove a million ways to Sunday that she's a fucking asshole.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. But that's not against the law.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's not against the law. And so basically, he may have to pay based on stuff that, like. I'm sorry, but Megan Twohey, a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist at the New York Times, like, pretty much proved in that piece.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

And he can sue them or whatever. But like, you can't really dispute the fact that he paid extremely expensive publicists to destroy her.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

And that it worked.

[Bowen Yang]

It worked. And I think what he is kind of violently retaliating against is this image that he's built up of himself as being this like, feminist and like this advocate. Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Which I think if, if that's true or, or whatever, it kind of doesn't matter, like in the eyes of the law.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

Because even if she was a total asshole and asserted her control over this movie and like, you know, brought her quote, unquote, dragons in which, by the way, if you read the way that this woman texts, oh my God, it's, it's wild. And.

[Bowen Yang]

But, but you're talking about the publicist.

[Matt Rogers]

Talking about Blake Lively.

[Bowen Yang]

Blake. Uh huh.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, but she can do all that stuff. She can assert control over the movie, she can swing her dick, she can bring in her famous friends, she can have her husband get involved in all this stuff. Like, it's not against the law. The way that he acted probably was against the law. So.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, thank you. Because I'm going kind of crazy being like, well, they're both awful. And I'm like, well, but one is.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, the thing is like, they, I mean, I think at this point especially because they keep digging in and they clearly want to go to trial. This is an ego thing and it's ugly all around. And I don't know necessarily where all of their careers go after this, I'm sure in some respect they'll kind of be fine.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

But you can say to like, he contacted his PR and said, you know, let's turn the narrative against her in such a crazy way that like, we bury her and destroy her. And you can bring up all this stuff of her being a little bit of a jerk to these, you know, journalists, like, you know, saying this kind of thing, like there's an old video of her talking about how she did blackface, etc, like, it's like you can unearth all of this stuff. You're not proving there's no legal criminal.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

You're just not. You're proving that she is. It's an actress with a big ego.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not a criminal. No, no, but, but I guess what.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm saying is like, it's like a.

[Bowen Yang]

Liar, the legality of it.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's like, I think while he may be winning the thing about public opinion about her, he'll probably still end up paying.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. Well, I'm glad it's made its way to lost Culture I loved.

[Matt Rogers]

I. I will say the Chelsea Handler joke that I liked the most was like, I think we're all very something she said.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, yeah, we're good. We're good. Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Because that's another thing is, it's like, when people are so hell bent on, like, they seem really sure that everyone cares. And I will say I really didn't until it was the only thing in entertainment news. And it's such a salve from all the rest of the dark happening in the world that it's kind of just like, all right, let's see what's going on with this Blake and Justin thing. And all of a sudden you're sucked.

[Bowen Yang]

In, but you're saying that window is closed very quick because now you don't care anymore.

[Matt Rogers]

It's not even that I don't care. It's kind of the thing of, like, it's. It's very. Well, let's see how this turns out. Because now. Because if it goes to trial, of course I care.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. How do you, like, bring that to bring it back to the fire? Like, how do you bring that level of, like, attention to, like, something that actually is.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, how about the fact that they were filing these lawsuits while the fires were happening just. Just to show, like, that the focus is so on them and that the egos are so out of control that this is literally going down and those things are being filed in the court of law, like, while everything was going down.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. But it's.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's so brutal.

[Bowen Yang]

It's so sad that, like, that's the shit that takes up air.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally. But I mean, like, it's kind of always been like that.

[Bowen Yang]

I know, I know.

[Matt Rogers]

And here's what I'll say is good. The fact that you can even make that distinction now and us on our platform can be like, isn't it wild how distracted we all are easily by what is essentially bullshit? Even if it's a big deal to them, and it's a big deal, you know, to some people in a real way. Like, at least we can be able to say, like, we see.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

How easily distracted the media is. And like, I don't know, it's all pretty silly.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, I. I hate that I know that his production company is called Wayfarer now, and that's just information that's in my brain.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. It's so close to Wayfair.

[Bowen Yang]

The furniture brand.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, the furniture brand.

[Bowen Yang]

He should have thought it. Well, this. This should make me think my. My loan out company has a big, bad Name, and I'm like, I need to change it in case I ever get into legal shit.

[Matt Rogers]

Dingo. Dingus.

[Bowen Yang]

Dinkum dingo.

[Matt Rogers]

Dinkum dingo.

[Bowen Yang]

Australian thing. What's yours? Oh, your. No, yours is great.

[Matt Rogers]

Basic instincts.

[Bowen Yang]

Basic instincts. So funny. So good.

[Matt Rogers]

I like my loan out.

[Bowen Yang]

You got a great loan out. Dinkum dingo. I was just like, I can't come up with anything. It's two Australian words. Put it in.

[Matt Rogers]

I think dinkum dingo is great, but.

[Bowen Yang]

If it was like, dinkum dingoes, you know, like, dinkum dingle. Filed a complaint against. It's like. That sounds so stupid.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you want to start a production company with me?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

What should we call it?

[Bowen Yang]

Like, do we want it to have, like, a serious sounding name?

[Matt Rogers]

Should be called Twins are fighting Again.

[Bowen Yang]

Gemini.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm meeting with Gemini Entertainment.

[Bowen Yang]

No, that. Apparently, that's. That's the Google AI name. I was like, we need to get on these names, y'all, because some. Sometimes they snatch up the. It's like. It's like, you know, getting a handle. You get like. You got to. You got to snatch it up quick.

[Matt Rogers]

Totally.

[Bowen Yang]

What should it be called? Corridor. Looking at your sweater.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, this is a. That's a good place to start. Well, what's something we both love?

[Bowen Yang]

Mariah Kelly Gaga.

[Matt Rogers]

Mariah Kelly Gaga. Like, it's a gay kid screen name in, like, 2008. Wait, I've told you. This is so revealing of myself.

[Bowen Yang]

Your ESL screen name is Casey. No, what is it?

[Matt Rogers]

AOL screen name.

[Bowen Yang]

Your AIM screen name. My AIM screen name was Kelly Clarkson, wasn't it?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, when I was little, it was M A R o T C K779. And you're gonna scream when you find.

[Bowen Yang]

Out what T stood for.

[Matt Rogers]

T stood for Trinise.

[Bowen Yang]

Trinise from season two of American Idol. Number five. Number. No, she was number six. She was fifth place because it was Trinise then. Kimberly Clark then. No, Kimberly Clark was number three.

[Matt Rogers]

You better stop. Kimberly Locke was her name.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm sorry, Kimberly.

[Matt Rogers]

I think you've messed up and I'm sorry.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm sorry. I'm sorry. So it was Trinise then who was.

[Matt Rogers]

Forrest Trinise and who was fourth on season. And two of them are. Oh, God, no. I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

Some guy.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it definitely was some guy, because I was, like, pissed. Because then it was. First place was Reuben Studdard. Second place was Clay. Third was Kimberly Lock. Fourth place. I forget who that was.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, but it wasn't Trace?

[Matt Rogers]

No, Trinise was fifth.

[Bowen Yang]

I remember.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, was it Josh Grayson?

[Bowen Yang]

That sounds familiar.

[Matt Rogers]

So stupid.

[Bowen Yang]

Remember? Remember Julia D'Amato? I was rooting for Julia D'Amato.

[Matt Rogers]

Julia rocked because she was like a.

[Bowen Yang]

Single mom or something. And I was like, I want her to win.

[Matt Rogers]

She. She was a single mom hairdresser from Long Island. Yes. And she was very like the woman that I would go in to say hi to my mom at work, and she'd be like, oh, hey, you're so handsome. I've told you that. My mom had really good relationships with everyone at her hair salon, including Lex, who first cut my hair into a crew cot and turned me around to the mirror and said, you look like a Marine. And there was one nasty queen who my mom was in a feud with at work. And you're gonna die when I tell you who it was.

[Bowen Yang]

Who?

[Matt Rogers]

The nail girl. Bernadette.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, I don't like her.

[Matt Rogers]

So Valentine's Day is coming up. You know, everybody's gonna be dining out with their soulmate.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, not everybody. I mean, it's hard to find your soulmate.

[Matt Rogers]

True. But, you know, it's easy to find your bullmate at Qdoba.

[Bowen Yang]

Ha. I follow you. Bowlmate. Someone to share your Qdoba with.

[Matt Rogers]

That's right, because everybody can get exactly what they want at Qdoba. You can create your own tacos, burritos, and bowls.

[Bowen Yang]

And what's more romantic than always getting that famous three cheese queso and handcrafted guacamole free on your entree at Qdoba.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, but here's the kicker. You can get a free entree this Valentine's Day when you order an entree and drink.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, one for you and one to share.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. And then your bowl mate becomes your soulmate. But it's only open to Rewards members. So sign up in the Qdoba app and join Qdoba Rewards to redeem the offer. Valid in restaurant or online only on February 14th at participating locations.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

This is. I don't think so, honey. And this is where we take 60 seconds to talk about something in culture that has messed us up. And I'm ready.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. The nail girl, Bernadette, who years ago did not invite my mother to her wedding. They worked in the same salon, Extacia, in Lindenhurst, New York. It was a community driven place where women came to get gorgeous. And so with these vibes over at the nail station, Bernadette is being a gatekeeper at her wedding. She invited everyone, including the girls who were essentially interns there, who just swept up the hair.

[Bowen Yang]

30 seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

To her wedding in the late 90s, and not my mother. Can you imagine not inviting Katrina to a party?

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

What the fuck do you have against my mother? Trina? Bernadette, let me tell you something. I better not catch you here in whatever streets and you come up. Matthew, it's so excited to see you so successful. I'm Bernadette. I used to work with your mother. I will end you.

[Bowen Yang]

Five seconds.

[Matt Rogers]

Wherever you're at. Let's go. Bernadette. You didn't invite my mother to your wedding. Your wedding. That was problem.

[Bowen Yang]

That's one minute and fucking Bernadette. I'm sorry. We love that. We love every nail technician, but compared to Katrina, you're sitting down most of the day.

[Matt Rogers]

No, she was nothing.

[Bowen Yang]

Katrina is on her feet.

[Matt Rogers]

People are not going to Extasia and Lindenhurst for the nails.

[Bowen Yang]

Sorry, Bernadette.

[Matt Rogers]

Extra. This is no disrespect to all the nail techs out there, but this is a hair salon. So know your place and know your role.

[Bowen Yang]

Show some respect to Katrina. Clarity's.

[Matt Rogers]

Just understand, your legacy is not that you're. I don't even know if you're still married, but either way, if you are, even if it's a successful marriage, in terms of lost cult metrics, your legacy is that you fucked up in the late 90s and didn't invite Katrina to your wedding. And I heard about it at home.

[Bowen Yang]

The legacy is I'm forgetting your ass. As soon as this episode is done.

[Matt Rogers]

He will, I won't.

[Bowen Yang]

I wish you all the best in life, Bernadette. I will not file you away in any drawer in my Brain.

[Matt Rogers]

That's gonna be Bo and Yang, only I don't wish you well. And I'll remember you. I clearly do. I was a young, young, gay kid. And you don't cross our mothers, period. First of all, your wedding was probably way boring because my mom absolutely tears it up to Love Shack. Tears it up to all the wedding songs. Never too much. Never too much. Never too much.

[Bowen Yang]

Love Shack is. Yeah, that's up there. To say nothing of Shout Azalea.

[Matt Rogers]

Banks had a point the other day when she tweeted she wants to see Sam Smith sing Never Too Much by Luther. And then her fans were sort of dragging her, like, fuck you, Sam Smith. And she was like, no, no, no, you don't understand. Sam Smith can, like, sings like, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Sam Smith can do Luther.

[Matt Rogers]

She called him White Luther.

[Bowen Yang]

All right. And that's our Azealia Banks mention of the episode.

[Matt Rogers]

And this is Bowen Yang's. I don't think so, honey. You ready?

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

His time starts now.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. Microsoft Teams. Is it a browser experience? Is do I have to download the app? It's not clear based on the call to actions based on the button, and when I get there, the view is paginated. I have to click an error to go see the other eight people on the meeting. And then if I mute a pop up, a persistent pop up, no matter how many times you X out of it pops up and says you're muted, you're muted, bitch. I know I'll press Space bar when I have to speak. Out of respect for the 30 other people on this call. What is the deal? Microsoft Teams? I don't want to buy into the Office sweet anymore. Google Drive got your ass. And we're all using docs and sheets and pages. We're not doing PowerPoint in the year 2025. I don't know why we're still tethered to teams. I don't know why Bill Gates is an interview magazine at this point. Why do we give these people our time, our effort, our energy? I have to spend five minutes after the meeting starts to figure out how the fuck to log on.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. Everyone out there, Microsoft Teams doesn't work for us.

[Bowen Yang]

And I have all the sympathy in the world for the people who work at companies where they are forced to use Microsoft Teams because of whatever contracts they have. But you must fight and use your power as employees to switch to Zoom. Just do it. It's the standard, not the industry standard. It's the world standard.

[Matt Rogers]

The Quality is so much worse on teams.

[Bowen Yang]

What's the redeeming thing?

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know.

[Bowen Yang]

I ruined my day this morning.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't know. A worse platform. I don't know. Of course.

[Bowen Yang]

Platform.

[Matt Rogers]

No, we're not fans of teams.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not fans of team because it's.

[Matt Rogers]

Also so much business to get into it.

[Bowen Yang]

It's business to get into it. I can't see a full list of the. Of, like, a full populated list of, like, people. Like, I don't know. The grid view is, like, different. It's three by five in the first three rows, then it's two by seven, and then second, it's like, this is.

[Matt Rogers]

The kind of thing that's really gonna piss Beau off.

[Bowen Yang]

No, I need. I need to see. Everyone needs to have the same hierarchy on. On a Zoom or on a video conference. Like, totally agree. Or do you really agree?

[Matt Rogers]

No. Yes. And I want to say we loved everyone on the call, and it was a great call.

[Bowen Yang]

Great call. We would have loved to see you all shine equally.

[Matt Rogers]

All shine equally.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the thing.

[Bowen Yang]

The grid just kept moving, like, the resizing, and people had bigger faces than others. And I was like, this is intolerable.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Let me tell you something. Hollywood Squares. It was not.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

I just want Lind.

[Bowen Yang]

I want Paul Lyndon, Whoopi Goldberg in center square.

[Matt Rogers]

I just want to know exactly where someone is sitting in the Hollywood Square. I want all my Zoom calls and, like, online meetings to be like Hollywood Squares. Like, I know that Deb from accounting is the top left square.

[Bowen Yang]

I know that you and I would have torn up.

[Matt Rogers]

It's back.

[Bowen Yang]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. It's. It's like. It's like, fully a show. The other day, it was on.

[Bowen Yang]

It was.

[Matt Rogers]

Margaret Cho was on it.

[Bowen Yang]

We need to get booked.

[Matt Rogers]

Drew Barrymore. I think Drew Barrymore is center square.

[Bowen Yang]

That's iconic.

[Matt Rogers]

The cast was not chumps. I'll tell you that.

[Bowen Yang]

That was my favorite we want to do.

[Matt Rogers]

In fact, someone sent me a picture of it and was like, why aren't you on this show? Which I usually think of as a little bit of a drag.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

But.

[Bowen Yang]

But I know. I want the Hollywood Squares is so aspirational.

[Matt Rogers]

It's iconic. All right, well, so we're available for Hollywood Squares.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

I want to say one thing before we go.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

And I feel like it's sad that I even have to do this, but I'm now begging. So Epic Universe is now finished. It's completed. It's being handed over to park operations. I Have not heard from anyone at NBC Universal or, you know, the parks. I haven't heard from anyone from Orlando with an invitation. And I don't know what else I can say other than you want us there.

[Bowen Yang]

Trust us.

[Matt Rogers]

Talking about this.

[Bowen Yang]

Trust us.

[Matt Rogers]

Like, please invite us, please. And also everyone on the ground. Bts, the information's also been lacking. I've. I've not been getting the leaks that I wanted. Like, if you are on the grounds in Epic Universe and you can give me leaks, you need to be getting in my DMs. I'm very good about discreetly sharing information. I'm not. See, I'm not feeling it. You can see. We went black.

[Bowen Yang]

We went. We went dark.

[Matt Rogers]

Look at that. We went dark.

[Bowen Yang]

Our backdrop went out because of. Because of the severity of the situation.

[Matt Rogers]

This is a very serious situation, and we need to be reached out to. We need to be collaborated with on this or I'm gonna be upset. This sucks. See what's happening? What is? Microsoft Teams. Microsoft Teams.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, no. It's.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Samsung Smart tv.

[Matt Rogers]

All right, well, we gotta go.

[Bowen Yang]

We gotta go.

[Matt Rogers]

All right. Epic.

[Bowen Yang]

Epic Universe. Reach out. I'm hearing that they're giving an engineer walkthrough in March.

[Matt Rogers]

How are you hearing that?

[Bowen Yang]

Someone reached out to me and I said, you need to reach out to Matt Rogers. No, Matt, sit down. Why? Matt. No, I. Now you're making me feel bad for sharing information with. Because it didn't come up and it. This person messaged me yesterday. They say, do you want me to read it?

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

They might get in trouble.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, but see, if you messaged me, I would have put this out on the low.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay. All right.

[Matt Rogers]

No, no, don't get them in trouble.

[Bowen Yang]

But, like, no, I'm just. I just want to read what the. The scuttlebutt is.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay, tell us this guy, but I can't do this.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, here it is. Team members, preview dates have dropped. That's all I've received.

[Matt Rogers]

What do I.

[Bowen Yang]

We. We need, in the words of Diana Ross, reach out.

[Matt Rogers]

No one will do a better job than us at drumming up excitement. People need to hear about this, and they're only going to hear about. On Lost. Coach.

[Bowen Yang]

We have a huge platform and we will use it.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, speaking of hearing, we end every episode with a song. Is this reading?

[Bowen Yang]

Yes. What does it look like?

[Matt Rogers]

Bye.

[Bowen Yang]

Bye. Las Coldaritas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hod.

[Bowen Yang]

And produced by Becca Ramos, Edited and mixed by Doug Behman Monique Laborde and.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

Your kids, the closer you'll be. So we asked kids, what do you want your parents to hear?

[Matt Rogers]

I feel sometimes that I'm not listened to. I would just want you to listen to me more often and evaluate situations with me and lead me towards success. Listening is a form of love.

[Bowen Yang]

Find resources to help you support your kids and their emotional well being@soundedout together.org that's sounditouttogether.org brought to you by the.

[Matt Rogers]

Ad council and pivotal hey, it's Alec Baldwin. This past season on my podcast, here's the Thing, I spoke with more actors, musicians, policymakers and so many other fascinating people like writer and actor Dan Aykroyd.

[Bowen Yang]

I love writing more than anything.

[Matt Rogers]

You're left alone.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, you do three hours in the morning, you write three hours in the afternoon.

[Matt Rogers]

Go pick up a kid from school.

[Bowen Yang]

And write at night.

[Matt Rogers]

And after nine hours you come out with seven pages and then you're moving on. And actor and comedian Jack McBrayer. The most important aspect is the collaboration with people that I like, I trust are talented. That has been the most amazing gift to me about this crazy business that we've chosen. Meeting these people who have such diverse talents and you're able to create something together. Listen to here's the thing on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Catch Jon Stewart back in action on the Daily show and in your ears with the Daily Show Ears Edition podcast. From his hilarious satirical takes on today's politics and entertainment to the unique voices of correspondents and contributors, it's your perfect companion to stay on top of what's happening now. Plus, you'll get special content just for podcast listeners, like in depth interviews and a roundup of the week's top 10 headlines Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcast.