“Thought Starters” (w/ Michelle Obama + Craig Robinson) - Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang

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Podcast Summary: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang Episode: “Thought Starters” (w/ Michelle Obama + Craig Robinson) Release Date: June 18, 2025

Las Culturistas, hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, dives deep into cultural phenomena, personal experiences, and the intersections between public life and personal identity. In the episode titled “Thought Starters,” special guests Michelle Obama and her brother, Craig Robinson, join the hosts to explore a range of topics from sibling dynamics to cultural influences in music and media.

1. Introduction of Guests

The episode kicks off with the warm introduction of Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson, highlighting their unique positions as former First Lady and a beloved figure in college basketball, respectively. Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang express their excitement, setting a collegial and engaging tone for the discussion.

Notable Quote:

Craig Robinson [00:57]: “We find ourselves sitting with a pair of guests that to say that we are excited would be the understatement of the century.”
(00:57)

2. Sibling Relationships and Family Dynamics

Michelle and Craig delve into their sibling relationship, emphasizing the playful and supportive bond they've maintained throughout their lives. They reminisce about their childhood, the camaraderie, and how their roles evolved as Michelle rose to prominence.

Notable Quotes:

Bowen Yang [04:00]: “Matt, I know you agree with me, but I've always felt that it's important to set standards for yourself.”
(01:52)

Michelle Obama [07:13]: “We come from a family of chopsticks. Chop busters.”
(07:14)

3. Coping with Public Life and Parenting

The conversation shifts to the challenges of raising children in the public eye. Michelle shares insights on developing a thick skin to protect her family and ensuring her children grow up with a sense of normalcy despite their unique circumstances.

Notable Quotes:

Michelle Obama [10:15]: “You have to develop a thick skin. And I think some people are better at it than others.”
(10:15)

Craig Robinson [11:01]: “People ask me all the time, how do you handle it? And I tell them I know deep in my heart that they're doing the best for the most people.”
(11:01)

4. Cultural Influences: Music and Media

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to discussing the impact of music and television on their cultural identities. Michelle recounts her love for Soul Train and Stevie Wonder, highlighting how these influences shaped her appreciation for music as both art and message.

Notable Quotes:

Michelle Obama [44:05]: “Soul Train was the music dance show that was on in the late 60s and 70s. Don Cornelius, the Soul Train.”
(44:05)

Michelle Obama [51:33]: “Talking Book was one of those cultural experiences that took me to the next layer. It wasn't just fashion. It was art.”
(51:33)

5. Personal Decision-Making and Life Transitions

Michelle and Craig discuss their transitions into new life phases, such as Michelle becoming an empty nester and the newfound freedom and accountability that comes with it. They reflect on making decisions solely for themselves and the liberation it brings.

Notable Quotes:

Michelle Obama [23:28]: “I am now accountable for the outcomes of all of my choices. They're all mine now. There's no one to blame if it doesn't go right.”
(24:00)

Michelle Obama [25:11]: “It is freeing.”
(25:15)

6. Reflections on Culture and Personal Growth

The guests reflect on pivotal cultural moments that define their identities. Craig shares his formative experiences working at Soldier Field and witnessing iconic musical performances, while Michelle emphasizes the role of music in personal and cultural expression.

Notable Quotes:

Matt Rogers [31:26]: “Parliament Funkadelic Live. Landing the mothership on the stage.”
(31:26)

Michelle Obama [51:56]: “Stevie was the key to my culture, because he was the first musician where he was in charge of his career, wrote and produced everything.”
(51:56)

7. Interactions and Shared Experiences

Throughout the episode, the hosts and guests share personal anecdotes and engage in playful banter, enhancing the relatability and depth of the conversation. They discuss attending concerts, family traditions, and the importance of cultivating personal interests outside of public expectations.

Notable Quotes:

Michelle Obama [73:03]: “I drive in certain places.”
(73:10)

Craig Robinson [65:38]: “We need someone who can play the didgeridoo because you know they're not making money because you're not booking them enough.”
(65:38)

8. Conclusion and Farewell

As the episode wraps up, the guests express their gratitude for the engaging conversation and the opportunity to reconnect with each other and the hosts. Michelle emphasizes the importance of joy, support, and the shared cultural journey they continue to undertake.

Notable Quote:

Michelle Obama [78:31]: “We feel so silly that that is true. Well, we still have not fully talked about the Real Housewives.”
(78:31)

Key Insights and Takeaways

The Strength of Sibling Bonds: Michelle and Craig illustrate how robust sibling relationships can provide unwavering support amidst public scrutiny and personal challenges.
Navigating Public Life: Balancing public roles with personal life demands meticulous emotional management, especially when raising children.
Cultural Foundations: Music and media play a critical role in shaping personal and collective identities, offering both artistic inspiration and societal commentary.
Personal Growth through Autonomy: Transitioning to making decisions independently fosters personal freedom and accountability, essential for self-actualization.
Cultural Preservation and Appreciation: Preserving cultural artifacts, such as music albums, enriches personal histories and contributes to broader cultural narratives.

This episode of Las Culturistas offers a heartfelt and insightful exploration of personal and cultural evolution, anchored by the engaging dialogues between Matt, Bowen, Michelle Obama, and Craig Robinson. Whether discussing the nuances of sibling relationships or the profound impact of music on personal growth, the conversation provides valuable reflections for listeners navigating their own cultural journeys.

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[00:00]
Michelle Obama
This is an I Heart podcast.
[00:04]
Craig Robinson
Do you know what the perfect addition is to any party?
[00:07]
Bowen Yang
What?
[00:07]
Craig Robinson
A Casamigos margarita.
[00:09]
Bowen Yang
Everyone loves a Casamigos margarita. She really is that girl.
[00:14]
Craig Robinson
It's true. Everyone can get behind her.
[00:16]
Bowen Yang
She's a little tangy, little sweet.
[00:18]
Craig Robinson
She's good any which way Anything goes with my Casamigos.
[00:20]
Bowen Yang
And that's rule of culture number 87.
[00:23]
Craig Robinson
Because anything goes with my Casamigos. Please drink responsibly. Imported by Casamigos Spirits Company, White Plains, New York. Casamigos Tequila. 40% alcohol by volume. Summer is quickly approaching, and there's no better time to make sure you're feeling your best Keep your gut health in check with the help of health aid Kombucha. It's powered with probiotics, which helps you feel less bloated. Plus, it's made with real fruit juice, so it's deliciously refreshing. With so many delicious flavors like pink lady apple, passion fruit tangerine, and pomegranate blueberry, it's the perfect bubbly beverage to enjoy as the weather heats up. Look for the brown bottle with an anchor on it at a store near you. Hey, readers, it is so thrilling to tell you about a new podcast from the iconic, the incomparable, the Michelle Obama and her big brother Craig called imo. You know, on Las Culturistas, we dive deep into the culture and get real with our guests. Likewise on imo, Michelle, Craig, and their guests tackle questions from listeners just like you. Offering practical advice, personal storytelling, and plenty of laughs. From dating and relationships to family and faith, Michelle and Craig give their candid perspectives to the everyday questions shaping our lives and the world around us. Like their first episode where Issa Rae laments friendships that need to go, you'll hear Michelle and Craig's stories about being there for each other throughout their lives. From first crushes and fraught college years to landing at the White House to losing their mom for six decades, they've been each other's most trusted counsel, and now they want to be that counsel for you. So if you want to know about the culture that made Michelle and Craig say culture is for them, check out IMO with Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson wherever you get your podcasts.
[01:53]
Bowen Yang
Matt, I know you agree with me, but I've always felt that it's important to set standards for yourself.
[01:58]
Craig Robinson
I think standards are. Yeah, important. Yes, I think I do agree.
[02:04]
Bowen Yang
I think I have a standard of living and a standard of loving.
[02:09]
Craig Robinson
I should have a better standard of loving. Joke, joke, joke, joke, joke, joke. Anyway, the standard Lexus has set for themselves. It's to experience amazing Lexus benchmarks are.
[02:21]
Bowen Yang
Feelings like exhilaration and joy when you're behind the wheel. A feeling in drivers that their car was built in anticipation of them.
[02:28]
Craig Robinson
Because a car that doesn't make you feel something is a car that stops short of amazing experience. Amazing at your Lexus dealer. Look, man, there. Oh, I see. My, oh, my. Bowen, look over there. Wow. Is that culture? Yes. Goodness. Wow. Las culturistas.
[02:46]
Bowen Yang
Ding dong.
[02:47]
Craig Robinson
Las culturistas calling. So today was Bowen's first ever tattay experience. And that is the big headline of the day.
[02:55]
Bowen Yang
Huge headline. Famed bakery Shakshuka restaurant. They have more things than that. I had a delicious chicken salad sandwich with raisins. Get into it. I don't wanna have this argument with anybody. Raisins belong in chicken salad.
[03:10]
Craig Robinson
And you know what else? I. So I basically described it to you correctly. It was like a Michelin pret. A manger.
[03:17]
Bowen Yang
A Michelin Pret. A manger. And then we learned through someone that we were speaking to today that it is owned by Panera Bread.
[03:23]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[03:24]
Bowen Yang
So it all goes back to Big Panera Bread.
[03:26]
Craig Robinson
It all goes back to Big Bread. Big Red. And that's actually roller culture number six. It all goes back to Big Bread. Also in Lost Culture News. So the reason why we're in D.C. today is actually kind of a funny story. Several months ago, we sort of were reached out to with an opportunity that made us say, there's no way. There's just no way.
[03:41]
Bowen Yang
There's no way. There's just no way.
[03:43]
Craig Robinson
It is real. And we find ourselves sitting with a pair of guests that to say that we are excited would be the understatement of the century to have them on Lost Culture East.
[03:52]
Bowen Yang
This. We were so fortunate enough to be on their podcast.
[03:56]
Craig Robinson
Had an amazing time, imo.
[03:59]
Bowen Yang
Higher ground. Get into that. That's the chicken salad of podcast.
[04:04]
Craig Robinson
Truly.
[04:05]
Bowen Yang
Okay. There's raisins. I mean, you know, I said to.
[04:08]
Craig Robinson
Our guests earlier, I did a breakfast hack. I was like, you know what you do? And so I didn't tell you this, Craig, but here's what you gotta do. It's not just strawberries and raisin Bran. It's also. You cut up strawberries. I'm a culinary icon on this podcast. By the way. The snack of the summer is frozen grapes.
[04:25]
Bowen Yang
Frozen grapes.
[04:25]
Craig Robinson
Oh, okay. So you gotta cut up strawberries. Cut. And then get some bananas in there. And raisins. Put it in your Honey Nut. Cheerios.
[04:32]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[04:33]
Craig Robinson
Raisins and Honey Nut Cheerios. Oh, you're gonna love the way you look.
[04:36]
Michelle Obama
I guarantee you it's still not that de.
[04:40]
Bowen Yang
It is. For more context, listen to our episode of imo.
[04:46]
Matt Rogers
Matt, this sounds yummy.
[04:48]
Craig Robinson
Okay, so these voices that you're hearing, they're legendary.
[04:51]
Bowen Yang
They are the Euclid Avenue Robinsons, the iconic Chicago legends.
[04:58]
Craig Robinson
We're here with a college basketball icon as a player, a coach and a broadcaster and a bestselling author that is likely best known as the former first lady of the United States of America and is just really special. And they're podcasters now, so moving on up in the world, I'd say yes. Everyone, please, we are out of our minds to welcome Michelle Obama and Craig Robinson.
[05:28]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my gosh. Fired up and ready to go.
[05:32]
Matt Rogers
Put me in, coach. I'm ready to play.
[05:35]
Craig Robinson
You are the one to listen to when that gets set. So you're sort of been dragging me all day for my breakfast.
[05:41]
Michelle Obama
I mean, you bring it up like it's some rocket science and it's chopped up fruit in cereal.
[05:48]
Craig Robinson
Excuse my cheese bread.
[05:50]
Michelle Obama
Well, at least you have to cut the cheese and melt it.
[05:54]
Craig Robinson
You're right. That is steps.
[05:55]
Bowen Yang
That steps.
[05:56]
Matt Rogers
Matt, you do not have to acquiesce to her just because she used to be the former First Lady.
[06:01]
Michelle Obama
We did do that pretty well. I do have that vanity. Yes, ma' am.
[06:06]
Craig Robinson
Yes, ma' am. Yeah, I know. Well, earlier I was like, thank you so much, Mrs. Obama. And you said Michelle.
[06:11]
Michelle Obama
And I was like, I did say that.
[06:13]
Matt Rogers
I know.
[06:13]
Craig Robinson
Well, it's great to be on a first name basis.
[06:16]
Michelle Obama
We cannot have a real conversation if you're saying Mrs. Obama. That's too many. Silver.
[06:20]
Bowen Yang
Are you pretty quick to, like, put down that shield for people? You're like, don't even worry about it.
[06:25]
Michelle Obama
You know, I was trying to do that when I was first lady because I just think, you know, it just sort of like, I am not that position. I am Michelle.
[06:35]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
[06:35]
Michelle Obama
And when you're trying to connect with people, especially young people, you know, they need to keep the misses because they're learning. Sure. But I'm always trying to break down that wall to say, we're just all here.
[06:46]
Bowen Yang
Totally.
[06:47]
Michelle Obama
You know, and the first thing to do is like, let's drop that title. That's a little heavy. Of course, you know, that kind of changes the dynamic. So I'm Michelle, because, you know what we call her?
[06:57]
Matt Rogers
What? Your Highness.
[07:00]
Bowen Yang
I knew it. I knew it. The honorific.
[07:02]
Craig Robinson
You need this person.
[07:04]
Matt Rogers
You have to be in the family.
[07:05]
Craig Robinson
I Feel like you do need this person in your life that is like. That is like busting your chops a little bit. Have you guys always been those people to each other?
[07:13]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
[07:15]
Michelle Obama
Well, we come from a family of chopsticks. Chop busters. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's, it's, it's, it's.
[07:23]
Matt Rogers
We earned it. We earned it. Our dad, his brothers, our grandfather on my mom's side. I mean, it was just chop busting all the time. And they started teasing at a young age.
[07:36]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[07:37]
Matt Rogers
So you and I always thought, oh, this is. Until you realize, oh, in the real world, this happens all the time. So you're building a nice armor to fight the fights when you get out in the shape.
[07:50]
Bowen Yang
Totally.
[07:50]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
[07:51]
Bowen Yang
Craig, you've talked about how growing up it was Michelle was known as Craig Robinson's younger sister. And then it flipped at some point.
[07:59]
Matt Rogers
It did.
[08:00]
Bowen Yang
When you were known as Michelle's older brother.
[08:02]
Michelle Obama
I love that.
[08:03]
Bowen Yang
And it got much easier. Describe in the ways it's easier because.
[08:09]
Matt Rogers
First of all, I was whether my mom and dad said, don't do it, don't worry about your sister, don't protect your sister. I did.
[08:17]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[08:18]
Matt Rogers
So everybody had to know, that's my little sister. So if you're gonna run up on her, you gotta come through me, be nice, act right. And anywhere I went, I brought her with until we got to an age where we couldn't do stuff. But. But it's always been that way. And it's much easier when I don't have to worry about that. Now she's the big star and I can just enjoy the benefits.
[08:44]
Michelle Obama
Yeah.
[08:47]
Craig Robinson
Yeah. I mean, yeah. We both have sisters and I feel like it almost makes me emotional to think of people like having an opinion or like, oh, yeah. The idea that someone is, you know, accessed by the world in this way, like that has to be something to manage about each other. I'm sure about, you know, your family members. Like when you become up for public debate and unable to participate in those discussions, I would imagine that that's something that you obviously learned to cope with or do you ever really learn to cope with it?
[09:25]
Michelle Obama
You know, you do. You have to develop a thick skin. And I think some people are better at it than others. I think my husband has a very calm, demean, and I think he was built for the job. I am a little more feisty, less so for myself, but more for him. You know, I get my back reared up when somebody goes after him and they don't appreciate his intellect and his sacrifice don't go after my kids. So I don't feel it for myself, but it is. It is uncomfortable. Anytime my kids call me with some bad interaction they had with somebody on the street because of their last name or them worrying about somebody, people thinking that they don't deserve the credit for the hard work that they do. You know, my mommy mode gets on.
[10:15]
Craig Robinson
Sure.
[10:16]
Michelle Obama
But I've had to practice being okay with it for the sake of them.
[10:23]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[10:23]
Michelle Obama
Right. Because I think that kids respond the way their parents respond. And all throughout the White House, my thing was, this is normal. You'll be fine. It's okay. Yes. There are men with guns on your school because your dad's here for parent teacher conference. But keep going. It's not about you. Just trying to make sure that through all of this, they felt normal. So I couldn't respond too much. I couldn't voice too much concern because then they would start panicking.
[10:53]
Bowen Yang
It's like when a toddler falls and you can't.
[10:55]
Michelle Obama
And they look up to see if they're okay. And if you're like, oh, my God, you break down. But if you're like, you're fine.
[11:01]
Bowen Yang
Get up.
[11:01]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[11:02]
Matt Rogers
But as a brother, I feel it when they get talked about.
[11:06]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[11:06]
Matt Rogers
And it's really interesting because as a coach, you get talked about all the time. Like when your team. He needed to do this. He needed to do this. That doesn't bother me at all because I know what I was doing was my best. And this game plan went this way, something went that way. Anything. But with them, it's when people don't appreciate what they're doing. I wouldn't say things publicly, but people ask me all the time, how do you handle it? And I tell them I know deep in my heart that they're doing the best for the most people. And that usually gets people to sort of calm down and take that strategy with them when they go on, when they go about their work, because otherwise it would just drive you crazy.
[11:52]
Bowen Yang
Sure.
[11:53]
Craig Robinson
I used to be in the comments defending him. I'll throw hands for my sister.
[11:57]
Bowen Yang
I would never want that. Is a fate worse than death.
[12:00]
Craig Robinson
You'd be fighting in to even get.
[12:01]
Michelle Obama
In the heads, like, Matt, come out.
[12:04]
Craig Robinson
Ye. Don't go in there. I also, just when you were talking about going to the parent teacher conference, I thought about being an elementary school teacher and knowing that the Obamas were coming in. What is that?
[12:14]
Michelle Obama
Oh, and it was a thing because the kids went to school down the street from where we're recording. Right. Now. And our house is. Well, we were in the White House. That was our house then. So it was a trip all the way up Mass Ave. Right. And when you're in the presidential motorcade, it's a thing, you know, if the president is moving, it's 12 motorcycle cars blocking off traffic. The street gets shut down. It's a 20 car motorcade, you know, which I say that includes an ambulance, a caboose and a clown at the end. I mean, it just keeps going and going and going and it never ends.
[12:48]
Bowen Yang
That mobile at the end. Yeah.
[12:49]
Michelle Obama
And all of that pulls up into the parking lot of a school, right.
[12:55]
Craig Robinson
And Ms. Apple is there.
[12:56]
Michelle Obama
She's getting held down. It's like, mom, that's Mrs. Charney that they're blocking. And it's like. I know, I know, but this is how it goes.
[13:04]
Craig Robinson
And so Malia is excelling in math.
[13:06]
Michelle Obama
That's right. That's an A. But here's the thing. Dad was going to parent teacher conference. It was like, you know, you went before you were president, you went to every one of them. We are parents, you know, we have to ignore this. This is how you get about the city. And this can't be the excuse for you not to participate as a father because you deserve that. He enjoyed that. He enjoyed those moments of normalcy.
[13:33]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, absolutely.
[13:34]
Michelle Obama
Even if it came. Came with a 20 car motorcade and helicopters and a CAT team on the roofs, which is counter assault weapons, machine guns out.
[13:43]
Bowen Yang
Lovely.
[13:44]
Michelle Obama
I mean, total lockdown.
[13:46]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, yeah.
[13:47]
Michelle Obama
So, yeah, that was. And thank you, Sidwell, for putting up with us for eight years.
[13:53]
Craig Robinson
No, I mean, great work, great work. I always feel like, you know, big moments in my life I can often associate with a song or a film or something. And obviously you guys being in the public eye, I wanted to ask if there is a moment that the world knows and they identify in a certain way just from watching you guys, but you associate that moment with a specific song or something. Like what was the song of the inauguration day? Or is there a moment that you can think of that you can point to? No one knows I was listening to this or had watched that. You're nodding.
[14:30]
Matt Rogers
I'm nodding.
[14:32]
Michelle Obama
Do you have something?
[14:32]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. The first inauguration, we were all together in Chicago and the story about when we found out that Barack was the President of the United States is a completely great story. But I'll save it for you next time. We are all on the stage. I mean, it's our whole family, but our family's small. But we're all on the stage. Barack's family's on the stage.
[14:55]
Michelle Obama
Was this in Grant Park?
[14:57]
Matt Rogers
This was in Grant park in Chicago.
[14:59]
Bowen Yang
I remember that now.
[14:59]
Craig Robinson
Outside, of course.
[15:02]
Matt Rogers
Wasn't it we are Family?
[15:04]
Michelle Obama
I don't remember.
[15:05]
Matt Rogers
That's what I think.
[15:06]
Michelle Obama
I was yours. I think I was completely numb. We should find out if they have a song.
[15:11]
Matt Rogers
We should find out if I'm right, because I remember we are family. And I don't know if it was in my head or if they were actually playing it, because I'm gonna tell you something. We're from Chicago. I've been in Grant park in November all my life. When that inauguration was over, you could hear. Almost hear a pin drop. And people are walking away. They're just in this euphoric, quiet, calm state. They were so happy. And it was the. I mean, black people, white people, people from the north side, people from the south side, people from the west side, all together, just walking back to wherever they were going. Quietly orderly, no police sirens. You could see flashes of light. But it was surreal, man. For a kid who grew up in Chicago.
[16:03]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[16:03]
Matt Rogers
I mean, it just.
[16:04]
Michelle Obama
It was so peacefully silent that on the way to Grant park in the presidential motorcade, the kids were in the back. Because, you know, you're trying to tell them what's going on. Cause they were little. They were, you know, 7 and 10 or 6 and 9 at the time. So most of the time in the hole, they're playing. We set it up so their cousins are there. They're playing games. Election nights were all about. We get chicken fingers and we get to stay up.
[16:30]
Bowen Yang
Right.
[16:32]
Michelle Obama
But you didn't realize they wouldn't understand what had happened. So you'd win a primary, Big celebration. And Malia, we'd come back, Malia would say, is dad president? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you're like, oh, no, no, no, no. This is just South Carolina. We gotta do this, like 12 more times. And she'd go, okay, go back and play that night. She said at the end of it, is dad president now? And we said, yeah, this is it. So we're in the car on the way to Grant park, and it's this deep silence. And we're all quiet in the car. The kids are in the back. And Malia says, dad, I don't think anybody's coming to your party. Cause no one was on the street. And it never. This was Lakeshore Drive that was always busy. And she was like, oh, my God.
[17:21]
Craig Robinson
This is so embarrassing. After all this buildup and shit. Chicken fingers.
[17:25]
Michelle Obama
It's like you might be. And we were like, oh, sweetie, no. This is what happens now that your dad is president.
[17:32]
Craig Robinson
Wow.
[17:32]
Michelle Obama
No one will ever be on the street when he's on the street again.
[17:36]
Matt Rogers
Wow.
[17:37]
Michelle Obama
But it's like with little kids, you're like, you know, how do you put these moments into context for them? They're just in the backseat going, what's next for us?
[17:46]
Craig Robinson
Right?
[17:46]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[17:47]
Craig Robinson
It's like watching someone realize their life is different.
[17:50]
Michelle Obama
That's right.
[17:50]
Craig Robinson
It's so weird. I'm remembering, like, we got a new dog one time and then we opened our pool. I was in the pool and the dog came outside and saw me in the pool and froze. And it was like a new thing for the dog. And I was like, oh, I'm watching the dog have a formative. Huh? Core memory. I don't know why I made that poll, but, like, that is what I'm thinking.
[18:11]
Michelle Obama
It is so the same.
[18:13]
Craig Robinson
She's watching Malia be like, oh, we don't walk on streets with other people anymore.
[18:18]
Michelle Obama
Anymore.
[18:20]
Bowen Yang
Anymore.
[18:20]
Michelle Obama
Yeah.
[18:21]
Matt Rogers
Every dog is like, what are you doing in that giant basket?
[18:24]
Craig Robinson
There's only a third of you showing. And I know that's not right.
[18:28]
Michelle Obama
Like, and someone should be panicking here. Should I dive in water?
[18:34]
Craig Robinson
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[18:58]
Bowen Yang
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[22:24]
Bowen Yang
I mean, you're talking about like going to parent teacher conferences here. And like, I gotta ask, like, now that you are talking about, both of you guys are talking on the podcast about how, you know, the decision making is for yourselves now. Like, you know, I mean, I know Craig, you're still raising kids, but like, Michelle, as someone who is like, you know, you've called yourself an empty nester and like that is a thing that like, I have no idea. I haven't even asked my parents about this. Cause I'm just nervous about like what that was like for them. But now that you are like making decisions for yourself, does that change the rationale, like the framework of your decision making? Like you being in D.C. again without having to worry about parent teacher conference?
[23:03]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[23:03]
Bowen Yang
Does that affect your sense of place? Like I was asking you before, where you spend most of your time throughout the year and it's kind of in multiple places. Like does that feel, how does that feel right now?
[23:15]
Michelle Obama
It feels great.
[23:16]
Bowen Yang
Good.
[23:17]
Matt Rogers
I bet.
[23:18]
Michelle Obama
You know, it does feel great. But it is, it's a little off putting. Right. Because I realized for, you know, 50 plus years I was making decisions for other people.
[23:28]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[23:29]
Michelle Obama
And that's kind of a buffer. You know, I can always say, well, I'm doing this because my husband, I'm doing this because my kids need it. So the consequences of those decisions I could sort of subconsciously throw off on them. I am now accountable for the outcomes of all of my choices. They're all mine now. Right. There's no one to blame if it doesn't go right, if there's backlash, if I don't attend a thing. It's not. Well, I did it because I had to.
[24:00]
Craig Robinson
It's my choice.
[24:01]
Michelle Obama
This was my choice. I stand in it. And that's, that's new. At 61 years old, but it is freeing. And it could only happen now that I know my girls are good. They are full adults. They're not completely independent, but they move through the world as independent, responsible people. Right. They do not call us for everything. They figure stuff out and then talk to us afterwards to get our advice or reaction to what they already decided. I mean, there's just. As a parent, that's comforting, you know? Yes, I miss them, but I can see them whenever. But that's what we raised them to be. Independent people who can think on their own and live in the world and survive with or without us. And that just gives me comfort. I sleep better at night and I still sleep worse, even as adults when they're under my roof. Interesting, right? I mean, when they're here, I'm like, well, what time did you get in?
[24:59]
Craig Robinson
Right.
[24:59]
Michelle Obama
You know, and it's like, well, this is early, mom. But it's like, yeah, but I know. I feel like you're under my roof and I know I need to know where you're going, but I'm free of that, right?
[25:11]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[25:11]
Michelle Obama
So it's good. It's really. It's liberating.
[25:16]
Craig Robinson
We need to connect you with Kyle Richards because she needs to hear from you. She's having a hard time as a new empty nester. I don't know if you've been watching Beverly Hills.
[25:24]
Michelle Obama
I have.
[25:25]
Craig Robinson
See, this is important. You said you were gonna check out, but we have to take the opportunity to ask Michelle Obama about some housewives opinions. Cause you go, you've revealed. You watch it all.
[25:35]
Michelle Obama
I do, yeah. I watch it. I watch it all. It's like my golf. I'd say that to Barack. It's like tv you can tune in and out of and you can watch it or not watch it and still catch up and go, oh, yeah, they're arguing about that. It's like, remember, I find it soothing.
[25:48]
Craig Robinson
Sometimes to watch them work through issues.
[25:50]
Michelle Obama
Or not exactly.
[25:51]
Craig Robinson
Do you have a favorite current housewife?
[25:54]
Michelle Obama
A favorite house that's so.
[25:55]
Craig Robinson
Or someone that you watch and you're like, I'm rooting for that one. Even if it doesn't make sense all the time. Oh, that's.
[26:02]
Michelle Obama
Oh, I didn't think about this. There's a lot to choose from. So there are a lot to choose from. Who am I rooting for right now?
[26:09]
Matt Rogers
All of your listeners probably watch it so they know what they're talking about.
[26:11]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, but we're happy to.
[26:15]
Michelle Obama
This is the current season. Okay? They're in season right now. It's Airing now.
[26:19]
Matt Rogers
And it's live.
[26:20]
Michelle Obama
No, it's not.
[26:22]
Bowen Yang
A few months ago, but they cut it together.
[26:24]
Craig Robinson
Got it.
[26:24]
Michelle Obama
That's exactly. They taped them over a season, you know, like last season. And it's airing now.
[26:30]
Matt Rogers
Got it.
[26:30]
Michelle Obama
So Atlanta is on. That's the thing about this stuff, which I would tell all the housewives. It's like, learn, you know, just like all of us know, you know, you're at the middle of it, and then it can all be gone. So what's the plan for when it's all gone? You know, this moment that feels so good. We all, you know, at some point in our lives are formers.
[26:51]
Craig Robinson
Yes. 100%. Yeah. I truly appreciate when I see a housewife hustling the products, because, A, I think it's funny, and B, I'm like, get your money.
[26:59]
Michelle Obama
Get it now. Yeah. And I hope you're saving it.
[27:02]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[27:03]
Bowen Yang
On the subject of formers, though, like, I feel like what you two are very good at sort of embodying in your life stories is, like, the swerve. Like, the career change. Like, I think this kind of ties back to, like, the decision making for yourself now that you're accountable to yourself now. It's like, does this echo anything about, like, of living in that zone between, like, marriage or parenthood? And, like, right when you're out of college where you're like, okay, what do I do with myself now? Like, that is something that I think I hope everyone goes through. I kind of trust someone a little bit more to know about themselves if they have had a moment of questioning, like, everything they've been taught to sort of move through life with, you know.
[27:43]
Matt Rogers
I have always felt that our parents prepared us to do anything. They always encouraged us to do anything you feel like you want to do. And the hard part for me was figuring out what that was. And, you know, early on, professional sports wasn't the way it is now. Like, very few people aspired to be a professional athlete. You just didn't think you could do it because you saw very few.
[28:11]
Michelle Obama
Role.
[28:11]
Matt Rogers
Models that were other than the people who were way up there, like Ernie Banks and Gail Sayers. Those were the people we saw growing up.
[28:20]
Michelle Obama
So I. BO is like, oh, Chicago Bears.
[28:23]
Matt Rogers
The Chicago Cubs.
[28:25]
Bowen Yang
Okay, great.
[28:26]
Craig Robinson
I was telling you something. We were gonna nod so hard.
[28:28]
Matt Rogers
We were like, you guys don't have to do it. Michelle clocked him. You can do that for her, but you don't have to do it to me.
[28:35]
Craig Robinson
Listen, I told you, my dad's a coach 40 years.
[28:39]
Matt Rogers
I figured you would get the Gail Sayers part.
[28:42]
Craig Robinson
I actually know that name.
[28:43]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. So I was just playing basketball, and I didn't know that I was gonna get a chance to be a professional basketball player, but it wasn't what I was shooting for. So we were always taught, just try things until you figure out what it is you like to do. And that's what I did. And I felt very comfortable doing it because I had the support of my family. Y. I never felt like I had to be a doctor, I had to be a lawyer, I had to be a basketball player. And then that way, I was able to try finance and try consulting and then try coaching and realize that I loved coaching and teaching. And I think the only thing that I thought I really wanted to do was be a teacher. I thought I was gonna teach seventh grade and coach high school basketball. That was, I should say. I started out wanting to be a.
[29:36]
Michelle Obama
Race car driver, and then it kept growing.
[29:43]
Matt Rogers
I was publicly shamed by my second grade teacher, who I absolutely loved. And she was like, with all those brains, what do you want to be a race car driver for? And so that was the end of that. And then I got too tall to get in the car.
[29:55]
Craig Robinson
Right, right, right.
[29:56]
Matt Rogers
But I thought I'd be a teacher because I had so many good role models. My parents, I had coaches, I had good teachers coming. So I was thinking that would be something that would be worthwhile doing.
[30:10]
Craig Robinson
Well, you've really opened up a door here to the central question of our podcast. And so I feel like we'll just ask you. We'll start with you, Craig, which is, what was the culture that made you say culture was. For you? This is that sort of formative, influential moment in your life where something you were exposed to, whether it was pop culturally or culturally in general, that made Craig become Craig.
[30:30]
Matt Rogers
So I'm gonna give you the answer. Cause I know this answer. I'm prepared for this. But I want to tell you, you. I always make note of questions I haven't been asked. Because when you get interviewed all the time and you listen to podcasts, you hear all these great questions, it's always so exciting when somebody asks a question you haven't heard before. And I only know your question because of your show, but I've never been asked. So I'm really excited about this. And I know there were two opportunities here. So. Yeah, when I was in high school, I worked at Soldier Field, which is the arena where the Chicago Bears play. They used to have great concerts there, and we couldn't afford tickets to concerts. So we never went to a live concert. So my first live concert I worked at during the series of concerts, Parliament Funkadelic Live. Landing the mothership on the stage.
[31:27]
Craig Robinson
So much production value.
[31:29]
Matt Rogers
Production and the music, and the music on top of the production. But the best part, guys seeing them dudes come in off the bus, Yeah. I was like, they cool as shit. Yeah.
[31:41]
Craig Robinson
Rock star lifestyle.
[31:43]
Matt Rogers
They cool as.
[31:44]
Bowen Yang
It didn't demystify anything. It actually mystified.
[31:47]
Matt Rogers
Oh. I was like, I should have stayed playing the piano.
[31:50]
Michelle Obama
Oh, wow.
[31:52]
Craig Robinson
Cause you were feeling like a groupie.
[31:54]
Matt Rogers
I was like, holy cow. I could be up there wearing the stack shoes and the stock star glasses, playing the bass, playing the keyboard. Ah, it was so and so. That was when I was like, okay, there's something to be. There's culture out here. There's something to be being cool. And then the next jump ahead to when my freshman year in college was the first year that rap was going widespread.
[32:21]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[32:21]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[32:22]
Matt Rogers
Rapper's Delight. Of course. You know that song?
[32:24]
Bowen Yang
Of course.
[32:25]
Craig Robinson
Hip hop, Hip, hip hop.
[32:29]
Michelle Obama
Don't stop rap.
[32:31]
Craig Robinson
Miss my mother. I used to do it when I was in elementary school. And I was like, my mom has bars. I didn't have that phrase for it at the time, but I thought it was.
[32:40]
Michelle Obama
How'd you come up with that mod?
[32:42]
Craig Robinson
I didn't know if my mom had bars.
[32:44]
Bowen Yang
Rapper's Delight. What year was that?
[32:46]
Matt Rogers
So that was 19. I graduated high school 79.
[32:49]
Craig Robinson
79.
[32:50]
Matt Rogers
So it was 1980 was the year 79. 80 was the year I was my freshman year of college.
[32:55]
Craig Robinson
You're the same age as my mom. She graduated in 1980. Yeah, I believe as well.
[33:00]
Michelle Obama
Okay, Matt, we feel old.
[33:02]
Matt Rogers
No, we are old, but we are embrace in this age.
[33:05]
Michelle Obama
That's my mom's culture is a superstar.
[33:10]
Bowen Yang
Ageless, ageless baby.
[33:11]
Craig Robinson
But yeah, no, there is so a lot of music. And isn't it funny, like when. When you're young and a kid, like, it's so uncool to be doing music or playing the band or do orchestra. And then now who is cooler than musicians? Rock stars, Pop stars.
[33:25]
Michelle Obama
That's right.
[33:25]
Matt Rogers
Yeah. So we're trying to keep our 15 and 13 year old. They're still playing their music. And if they can just hang on, just hang on and keep doing it.
[33:34]
Michelle Obama
Even more, maybe they'll be stepping off the mothership.
[33:36]
Matt Rogers
Yes. They don't even need to step off the mothership. But if they ever wanted to, they won't be so far behind where they could only Be the guy playing the, like, castles or something.
[33:45]
Michelle Obama
The triangle.
[33:46]
Craig Robinson
Yeah, the triangle.
[33:47]
Bowen Yang
Hey, there's a place for that.
[33:49]
Michelle Obama
There is a band.
[33:51]
Bowen Yang
Bowen set up.
[33:52]
Michelle Obama
You're right.
[33:53]
Craig Robinson
I just.
[33:53]
Bowen Yang
Gosh, if I could take a time machine back to, like, a stadium funk concert.
[33:58]
Matt Rogers
Oh, man.
[33:59]
Bowen Yang
Like, I guess, like, what's the closest thing we have to that? I don't know.
[34:03]
Michelle Obama
I guess we have Beyonce. What are we talking about?
[34:07]
Craig Robinson
I mean, Beyonce will give you every genre but the. I mean, like, in terms of, like, real, like, what you're talking about.
[34:13]
Michelle Obama
Like, like a. A band.
[34:15]
Craig Robinson
Like a. Like a band, I guess, you know. You know, who is huge. And there's, like. It's not my culture at all, but who's people really live for is Grateful Dead.
[34:24]
Michelle Obama
Grateful Dead. And let me tell you, it's also Bruce Springsteen, a dear friend of mine. I was at his concert in Barcelona, and, you know, he's got E Street Band. It is music. It's a band, right?
[34:38]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[34:38]
Michelle Obama
You know, it's like, it's the drummer, it's the horn section. It's all of it. And they were playing jazz and they flipped into, you know, New Orleans. You know, they did it all in addition to rock. But this is, you know, let's make a PSA for music and education in public schools.
[35:00]
Craig Robinson
Very passionate about that.
[35:01]
Michelle Obama
Right. Because this is, you know, all talent doesn't come from the rich. Right. Talent is born. And if there's no place for kids to access a trumpet or, you know, a set of drums, they don't get to cultivate that talent. Right.
[35:16]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[35:17]
Michelle Obama
You know, Broad. That's why I love Broadway. You know, Broadway, to me is like, where the real. You know, I don't want to insult anybody, but it's like, come on. It's where the real talent lies. I mean, you go to these shows and it's like, everybody's a fricking star.
[35:34]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[35:34]
Michelle Obama
It's like, you should have a concert. The guy who's playing the backup to the. You should have a, you know, understudy. That's the understudy. You know, it's just. That's why I love Broadway, because it's the place where real talent can come. And the fact that they do it day in and day out with the same level of energy. They're flying without Annette. No, truly, every night. And it's just phenomenal to watch. So, I don't know. Did I digress a bit?
[36:04]
Craig Robinson
No, no, no.
[36:05]
Matt Rogers
That was good.
[36:06]
Craig Robinson
I was gonna say, before we ask you your response to the culture question, I Have two questions for you. One, are you gonna get a chance to. Or have you already seen Cowboy Carter tour?
[36:16]
Michelle Obama
Oh, yes. I mean, it is the sojourn of me and my daughters and I. And Beyonce's my girl, first of all. I mean, we are. That's my girl. I have her back. So the girls and I have gone to every concert that she's had. So we did Cowboy Carter in. We were in New York. We did the New York.
[36:36]
Bowen Yang
The rainy show.
[36:36]
Craig Robinson
Were you at the rain show?
[36:37]
Michelle Obama
The rainy show.
[36:38]
Craig Robinson
I was at the rain show.
[36:38]
Michelle Obama
Were you in the rain?
[36:39]
Craig Robinson
Yes, I was in the rain. Yeah. Well, that's one of the perks.
[36:43]
Michelle Obama
Were you in the rain?
[36:44]
Craig Robinson
I was Michelle's mom.
[36:46]
Matt Rogers
She would think she would be sympathetic, but no, she was just letting you know.
[36:51]
Craig Robinson
But it really was dry.
[36:52]
Matt Rogers
She can flex, though.
[36:54]
Michelle Obama
The entire concert. I mean, it poured for the entire concert. And none of them missed a beach.
[37:01]
Craig Robinson
You're talking about.
[37:02]
Michelle Obama
They didn't miss a beat.
[37:03]
Craig Robinson
No.
[37:03]
Michelle Obama
A dancer. There may have been a slippage once, maybe. Maybe. But they made it look like it was. The stage was just a puddle, and she was stomping. She just performed wet and beautiful.
[37:15]
Craig Robinson
Unbelievable. I mean, she looks better than ever. Sounds better than ever. This probably was my favorite moment of the whole thing, was when Blue Ivy stomps out galvanized with the towel, wiped down the stage, through it, and then shredded.
[37:31]
Michelle Obama
I was like, yeah. And that's of her own making. Beyonce was like. I looked down in one performance in the rain, and there's Blue cleaning the stage. She's like, girl, what are you doing? She's like, I'm doing my solo. Somebody's getting this ready for me.
[37:44]
Craig Robinson
Cause you wanna know what? She also knows that everyone's watching TikTok every night, looking at every single movement. Probably the most scrutinized performer in the world right now is Blue Ivy Carter. And everyone is watching every second of it to see, like, is she as good as Beyonce? Like, it's this unfair expectation.
[38:05]
Michelle Obama
Well, she's baby good. She's in middle school. Yeah. All right. Okay, people. I mean, she is like a worker horse. And that's what she's learning. That's what her parents are demanding of her. It's like, okay, if you say you want to do this, then you gotta. And you've got to perfect your craft. So, yes, I was there and loving it. Dry.
[38:29]
Craig Robinson
Yes. Wesley, we're gonna have another chance. We're gonna go in Paris next week.
[38:34]
Michelle Obama
I was thinking about trying to go and get a dry show. In so I could go down on stage, But I just don't know how to do that. We'll manage it and we'll find a.
[38:42]
Bowen Yang
Dry show, you guys there.
[38:44]
Craig Robinson
But. And the last thing before we asked you the culture question was, I need to know specifically, Omi, what is Michelle Obama's experience at Omar?
[38:54]
Bowen Yang
Because we imagine that everyone's kind of turning to you to see how you're.
[38:57]
Matt Rogers
Responding to this specific play.
[38:59]
Michelle Obama
Well, a lot of times I sneak in afterwards, so I don't think that people knew I was there. Cause I come in at dark and slipping on the side and just sit. And I didn't know fully what O Mary was. Right. So I went with a friend and it was a recommendation. They said it's a play. And I didn't do the research, which I usually do. So I wasn't sure what was going on.
[39:20]
Bowen Yang
Right.
[39:21]
Craig Robinson
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:22]
Michelle Obama
And then scene one. And I am cracking up.
[39:28]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[39:28]
Michelle Obama
But feeling like, oh, my God, if people see me laughing, it's gonna be on page six. And somebody would. But it was. I loved it. So happy for the Tony win. I mean, you know, just out of your mind. It's like, this is what you think. Who thought of this? What's going on inside that head, that evil genius that thought of the retelling of in this very interesting but powerful way. Just. I loved it.
[39:59]
Craig Robinson
Loved it. Yeah. And also when you get to know Cole and you really realize that so much of their actual personal experience is in that show, even if you don't know, like, the things that they've struggled with and what they wanted and the kind of resistance they've been met with, it's all in there. And that, I think, makes it, you.
[40:18]
Michelle Obama
Know, in the bones of Mary Todd Lincoln.
[40:20]
Craig Robinson
Right.
[40:20]
Bowen Yang
In the bones of Mary Todd.
[40:23]
Craig Robinson
So I'm happy to know you that you had an amazing time.
[40:26]
Michelle Obama
Had a great time.
[40:30]
Craig Robinson
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[44:06]
Michelle Obama
You know, now that we're talking, it is music. It's still music. And it's interesting that so much of that cultural moment for us was music. It is. And for me, it was a musical show. Soul Train, right. It was the competitor to American Bandstand, right?
[44:24]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[44:25]
Michelle Obama
The music dance show that was on in the late 60s and 70s. Don Cornelius, the Soul Train.
[44:35]
Bowen Yang
Soul Train.
[44:37]
Craig Robinson
The Dancing Down. I guess like the original the Soul.
[44:39]
Michelle Obama
Train line, which is now done at every wedding, reception or party. It originally, for those of you who don't know, that came from Soul Train. But to see every week, you know, all these cool young black kids doing all the latest dances, wearing all the latest 70s fashion, the bell bottoms, the big afros, and the top it with some huge musical guests, the latest in R and B, performing in your living room on television Saturday mornings. Cause that's when it came on, you know, and we'd all get up and you'd try to do the dances and you'd create your own Soul Train line. I mean, that's for me. I love to dance. I love music. I love Broadway. If I had any ounce of talent, I think that's what God saved the world. Because if I could sing a note, if I could dance a dance, I'd be up every minute just like, would you like me to sing for you? I would be singing for everyone. It's like these talented people who are embarrassed and they don't sing. It's like, no, I can't. It's like if that was me singing and dancing.
[45:44]
Matt Rogers
She's really talented, I'm sure. I bet you are really talented.
[45:47]
Michelle Obama
I don't think. I think I'm regular.
[45:49]
Matt Rogers
I think she could have been really talented. She's just a perfectionist. So she would have never thought it was right.
[45:54]
Craig Robinson
You know, I hear that, like, sometimes it's. You chalk yourself out of things because it's not gonna be perfect. But then all of a sudden, the world has been, you know, robbed of its Michelle Obama performance.
[46:07]
Michelle Obama
Exactly.
[46:08]
Matt Rogers
That's right. That's correct.
[46:10]
Michelle Obama
But back to Soul Train.
[46:12]
Bowen Yang
Back to Soul Train. You know, Questlove used to do this night at Brooklyn bowl where he would do, like, a Soul Train night. And they would play clips. And it was me fully as an adult, sort of digesting this for the first. I was like, I always knew about Soul Train. But then just actually watching the footage and the clips, it is just this mesmerizing thing where everyone, I mean, talk about, like, being like, that person deserves their own show and concert.
[46:36]
Michelle Obama
That's exactly right.
[46:37]
Bowen Yang
Every single frame, you're like, that's the most beautiful group of people dressed.
[46:41]
Michelle Obama
The women were gorgeous. They, you know, their movements were unique. They introduced new dances. You know, culture was created in that room. In that room.
[46:52]
Matt Rogers
It was the first video music show that we experienced. There were no music videos back then.
[46:59]
Craig Robinson
The visuals, the vision where you could.
[47:01]
Michelle Obama
See the artist performing even though they were lip syncing. Right. Because they, you know, they lip sync to a track.
[47:06]
Matt Rogers
But unless they were on, like, the Flip Wilson show or the Carol Burnett Show, a variety show, you see people performing, performing live music on television. Soul Train was it for us? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:20]
Bowen Yang
Were your parents also tuning in or was. Was this.
[47:23]
Michelle Obama
Oh, yeah, it was family viewing. If my dad was filming, it was, you know, we had one tv. So, you know, we lived in the age where you watched what was on tv. We got control of the TV during the Soul Train hour.
[47:35]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[47:36]
Michelle Obama
You know, and everyone. And we all got up, tried the dances out. You'd go outside after Soul Train and talk about what you saw with your friends and try to recreate the moves. And, you know, it was. The fashion was, you know, off the chain. It was where a lot of fashion culture began and ended. You see the inspiration in current fashion today, even the colors, the color blocking, it just, you know, amazing. And it made sort of want to be older and cooler. It wanted, you know, I was curious about who these people were and how you set these tones and, you know, where you found the courage to be that creative. And then the Other moment for me was when I bought and was given. Cause I bought it and was given my first album. I was given it by my maternal grandfather who we called Southside, who was a record aficionado. He had a. A huge album collection. Didn't have a lot of money, but he had two turntables, a reel to reel. I mean he literally had his house wired for sound. Speakers in every room. But he was a jazz aficionado. Had a huge jazz collection that I think we're now donating to the opc.
[48:50]
Matt Rogers
Oh, good.
[48:51]
Michelle Obama
Yeah. So the OPC will be able to preserve it. I hope that's in the works.
[48:55]
Matt Rogers
He had two bedroom house with 25.
[48:58]
Michelle Obama
Speakers in the bathroom in everybody's bedroom. We grew up with music playing 24 7. There wasn't a time that my grand. When he woke up, the music went on and you had to learn how to take care of the album. Right. If you used it, you had to clean it, you had to hold it at the edges. You couldn't stack the needle, right. You didn't play, put the needle in the middle of the album. You had to start it at the beginning because you could scratch the record. I mean, there was a culture to that. He gave me for. It was one of my birthdays. He gave me Stevie Wonders Talking Book. Talking Book, the first songs in the Key of Light.
[49:36]
Craig Robinson
I knew you were gonna say Stevie Wonder for some reason.
[49:38]
Michelle Obama
Yeah, well, I think I talk about Stevie Wonder. He was also. He was the key to my culture, you know, because he was the first musician. And we did this beautiful podcast on Stevie through Higher Ground, the Wonder of Stevie. And I recommend it because it is a fascinating look at why Stevie Wonder is a musical genius. It covers his five albums. No one has that quality and amount of record of music production in such a short period of time. Questlove was the producer, co produced it with us. So I learned even more about Stevie. But Talking Book, that album that led with youh Are the Sunshine of My Life, it was one of his first independent or first or second independent albums that when he was in charge of his career, wrote and produced everything. So it was his sound, it wasn't Motown. Nobody was controlling him. And it was a cultural experience for me as a 10 year old because it was also one of the first albums that came with the lyrics on the jacket. Right. And I would spend hours, just hours immersed in his music in the lyrics. You know, there was opera in it, there was jazz, there was sex, there was love, there was. There was political, you know, Statements being made, song entitled Big Brother. You know, your name is Big Brother. You say you're watching me on the telly, seeing me go nowhere. I mean, lyrics like, I was reading and going, he is telling us something here. And it was the first album where it wasn't just about the music, but it was about the message.
[51:20]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
[51:21]
Michelle Obama
So, you know, that album was one of those cultural experiences that took me to the next layer. Like, it wasn't just fashion. It wasn't just the moves. It was, like art. It was art. Yeah.
[51:34]
Bowen Yang
I mean, at what point from getting the album to, like, understanding what all of the messaging might have meant, and all this context about it being an independent production and that it was, you know, not influenced by Motown necessarily? Like, when does that knowledge come through you?
[51:48]
Michelle Obama
Oh, I didn't know that when I was 10, of course. You know, I've learned that over the course of a lifetime of following Stevie.
[51:55]
Bowen Yang
Which deepens your love for the album.
[51:56]
Michelle Obama
Yeah, exactly. Right. Which is why this podcast will take you to different places with him. But even without all that information, at 10. At 10 years old, that album moved me to a place that I didn't know you could go with music and art. So it was. And still resonates. I mean, I still have that album on my playlist. It's part of my. The soundtrack. It's my soundtrack. It's like, it's my. You know, Stevie is the music that gets me going right before I'm about to give a speech. You know, when I'm on the way in a car to do something hard. You know, there is some kind of song that Stevie has made that will get me to that place.
[52:41]
Craig Robinson
It's impossible to pick a favorite. I'm literally sitting here being like, is it if you really love me? Is it lately? Is it all fair? Is it all of that? Is it superstitious?
[52:49]
Michelle Obama
You know what I mean?
[52:49]
Craig Robinson
Like. Like, he is the breath before we do. I don't think so, honey. I wanted to ask if you remembered something. So this actually came to me, like, it was like one of those memories. The other day, years ago, it was 2016. You were on Jimmy Fallon show.
[53:06]
Michelle Obama
Yeah.
[53:07]
Craig Robinson
And people were doing the thing where they were speaking to the portrait of you, and then you came out.
[53:11]
Michelle Obama
Yeah. Yeah.
[53:12]
Craig Robinson
So there was a guy named Henry who went last, and he. He was speaking to you, and you came out and you had this moment together. That was my boyfriend at the time. Oh, my God. And I'll just. I'll just.
[53:24]
Bowen Yang
Sweetie.
[53:25]
Michelle Obama
Oh, wow.
[53:27]
Craig Robinson
That was such a tough Time, obviously, I would imagine, for everybody involved. And I remember just like he is and remains. He's a dear friend of ours still to this day. And he was the sweetest. Is the sweetest person ever. And I just remember watching you guys have that moment. Like, I just. It was just such an emotional memory for me to have the other day, and just. It was. It was. I. Do you remember that happening?
[53:54]
Michelle Obama
I absolutely remember that. I mean, look, one of the greatest gifts that I had being first lady was being able to interact with people who felt impacted by anything that we had done. Right. Because we're living in, like, an ivy tower with security guards. And, you know, the rare personal interaction where you could be with someone outside of a photo line and just experience them in that way meant as much to me as it did to him. And so, yeah, I remember it all. What a small world.
[54:29]
Matt Rogers
It was such a lift.
[54:31]
Craig Robinson
And it remains a lift as a memory for me, and I know for him. So I just wanted to shout out Henry and say, oh, wow, she remembers.
[54:38]
Michelle Obama
I remember very, very. But I, like, now I'm craving to see that clip again.
[54:42]
Craig Robinson
Oh, yeah.
[54:43]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[54:43]
Michelle Obama
I used to love going on the talk shows and doing those stunts and bits with Jimmy and others. You know, it was like they would just play, right? It's like, she's game for anything. And I was like, yeah, I'm pretty much game for anything. But we would have some of the best interactions messing with the public.
[55:03]
Craig Robinson
I'm looking back and I'm thinking, nowadays, they would never get away with that. Cause it's like, if you go in there and it's like, oh, you're gonna talk to this portrait of Michelle Obama. I think everyone will be like, well, is she behind that big girl?
[55:12]
Michelle Obama
It's like, it's.
[55:13]
Craig Robinson
At the time, I was like, henry, what do you mean? You were shocked? And he really was. I was like, maybe this was at the time where we weren't doing as many viral tricks.
[55:21]
Michelle Obama
We were not. It was the beginning of it.
[55:24]
Bowen Yang
Right?
[55:24]
Craig Robinson
Yeah. Well, I just had to bring that up.
[55:27]
Michelle Obama
Thank you for that.
[55:28]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[55:29]
Michelle Obama
Well, give him my love.
[55:30]
Craig Robinson
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[59:01]
Craig Robinson
Okay, so it's time for I don't think Swani Bo.
[59:03]
Bowen Yang
Yes. This is our segment where we take one minute to really. The segment rail against something in culture. Yes, we love stuff. What a staple of the pod. We both have something. So we'll go first, and then we'll go Craig and Michelle.
[59:17]
Craig Robinson
Yeah, you guys just do it style. You know, we'll see if we're good. I've decided to take a risk today with mine too.
[59:25]
Bowen Yang
Mine might alienate some folks. I'm keeping an eye on everybody out there.
[59:29]
Michelle Obama
All right.
[59:29]
Craig Robinson
See, mine's gonna alienate no one, but people are gonna be like, no one has to be concerned, but yeah, let's go for it.
[59:37]
Bowen Yang
Let's go for it. This is me, Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
[59:40]
Craig Robinson
I don't think so, honey. Lack of didgeridoo. In popular music, the didgeridoo is the instrument of Australia, and I don't understand why we're not utilizing it. Lady Gaga, I'm looking at you. If there's gonna be a pop star that brings the didgeridoo into complete pop culture dominance, it's gonna be you, Gaga. It's the one thing missing from mayhem, which is perfect. Otherwise. Bowen, Yang. I don't think so, honey. You're about to believe his didgeridoo impression. Do it. That sound is amazing. Don't you want that over throw ass to at the club? I do. I feel like.
[60:14]
Michelle Obama
Let's move.
[60:15]
Craig Robinson
I feel like let's get the Didgeridoo out here. Let's act. Let's get someone who can play the didgeridoo because you know they're not making money because you're not booking them enough. 15 seconds. We need to take it out of Australia and bring it international. The didgeridoo is global. I want the didgeridoo. Lady Gaga, I'm calling you out. Sabrina Carpenter, I'm calling you out. Five seconds. Beyonce. We're all going to your Parisian concert together. Bring out the didgeridoo. Beyonce knows card.
[60:44]
Matt Rogers
Oh, my God.
[60:45]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my goodness.
[60:47]
Matt Rogers
We are worthy.
[60:48]
Craig Robinson
We are not worthy. I had more juice than I thought for it.
[60:51]
Bowen Yang
You were a pitcher. You were a pitcher full of juice.
[60:53]
Michelle Obama
I have yours if you haven't thought of it.
[60:56]
Craig Robinson
Oh, okay.
[60:57]
Bowen Yang
Let's have them deliberate.
[60:58]
Craig Robinson
Sometimes you do know more the other person stuff, because sometimes I'm coming in here and I'm like, what pisses me off? And then you find out.
[61:05]
Bowen Yang
I can assign you one pretty easily. Pretty regular. We should try that's.
[61:08]
Craig Robinson
We should do that one time. Like I. I like at Right as. Right as we're about to hit play, you tell me what mine is and.
[61:14]
Bowen Yang
I go, oh, I like that idea. Thank you for inspiring a new paradigm shift.
[61:18]
Michelle Obama
Although he can't do it. It's like, this is the thing. Who can do a minute on anything other than YouTube?
[61:24]
Craig Robinson
Let me tell you something. We went down to Epic Universe in Orlando. There's an opening of the new theme park in Universal and they had us do one in the 97 degree heat, 70% humidity. I think we almost died.
[61:34]
Bowen Yang
We almost died.
[61:35]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my God.
[61:35]
Craig Robinson
I think we almost lost our life. 45 seconds. I don't think so, honey. You know by the constell carousel.
[61:41]
Michelle Obama
Don't you have human resources on your show? Someone should intervene.
[61:45]
Craig Robinson
This actually is a huge issue. I don't think somebody is a liability.
[61:49]
Michelle Obama
It's like, where are the union rules?
[61:52]
Craig Robinson
That's exactly right.
[61:53]
Bowen Yang
Get the medic out.
[61:54]
Craig Robinson
We need a podcasting union.
[61:55]
Bowen Yang
We do. We do.
[61:56]
Michelle Obama
Well, why not?
[61:59]
Craig Robinson
Okay, so I'm ready to alienate. I'm ready, you know, And Bowen has he. When he really rips these up, they end.
[62:07]
Bowen Yang
I don't know. We'll see.
[62:08]
Craig Robinson
This is Bowen Yangs. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
[62:11]
Bowen Yang
I don't think so, honey. Why is pet food looking delicious in commercials, period? I'm watching the Tonys, and there's a Fancy Feast Gems commercial where they put.
[62:22]
Craig Robinson
That shit on a plate. It really did their cat's not eating.
[62:24]
Bowen Yang
It out of a plate.
[62:25]
Craig Robinson
And then they garnish it with rosemary. Yes, they did. Why are you making it presentable for human consumption?
[62:31]
Bowen Yang
Cause I'm sitting at home going, well, my mouth is watering. I'm gonna eat this. And then I read an article in the Atlantic about how the gourmet dog food market is exploding.
[62:40]
Craig Robinson
30 seconds. They undress.
[62:42]
Bowen Yang
A Michelin chef is making food for dogs. It's like, it's really getting out of control. Your dog doesn't know the difference between kibble and the fresh medallions of salmon that are being advertised on these packages now.
[62:56]
Craig Robinson
15 seconds.
[62:57]
Bowen Yang
Your dog deserves the best. Absolutely. Every pet deserves gourmet food. Every body deserves gourmet food.
[63:02]
Craig Robinson
But don't make human beings want to eat it, because I don't think so, honey. Me thinking, well, maybe I will try.
[63:10]
Bowen Yang
Some whiskers, some pedigree.
[63:12]
Craig Robinson
And that's one minute.
[63:13]
Bowen Yang
Oh, my God.
[63:14]
Craig Robinson
I saw some cat food the other day that looked like it should win a James Beard Award.
[63:18]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
[63:18]
Craig Robinson
I was like, this is not okay. And also, they know what they're doing. Cause it's on late at night when the housewives are on, when people at home are a little legal in America.
[63:27]
Matt Rogers
That's too good.
[63:27]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my God.
[63:28]
Matt Rogers
Have you seen the commercial where the guy kicks the girl out of the house?
[63:31]
Michelle Obama
Well, they do, right?
[63:32]
Matt Rogers
Because what's this commercial for the fresh.
[63:35]
Michelle Obama
Dog food that you keep in the refrigerator? She said, well, she's like, you keep your dog food in the refrigerator. I mean, and then he kicks her out of the date and he left.
[63:45]
Matt Rogers
Eating dinner with the dog or having the dinner.
[63:48]
Michelle Obama
It's like, I didn't like her anyway. Yeah, that's. That was part of your.
[63:54]
Craig Robinson
He brought it up. We went together. Was it during the Tony?
[63:57]
Bowen Yang
During the Tony.
[63:58]
Craig Robinson
Okay, so it's during the Tony's. And he pointed it out, and I was like, oh, my God, I am hungrier as a result of watching the cat food commercial.
[64:05]
Michelle Obama
It's like they garnish it with rosemary. It's like, what are we doing?
[64:14]
Bowen Yang
It's because we're the ones buying it.
[64:16]
Michelle Obama
Yeah, we buy.
[64:17]
Matt Rogers
So it's gotta look good. It's gotta look good.
[64:19]
Craig Robinson
Let's have that.
[64:20]
Michelle Obama
My dog eats her poop.
[64:22]
Bowen Yang
She got a shirt.
[64:24]
Craig Robinson
They really do that. I watched it happen when I was a kid.
[64:27]
Michelle Obama
I was like, now that's wrong, you know? But Barack still won't let her sit on the sofa. She eats her poop, and it's like, she doesn't do it anymore.
[64:35]
Craig Robinson
Cats know something that dogs don't. And that's roller culture. Number 90. Cats know something that dogs don't.
[64:41]
Michelle Obama
They're just.
[64:41]
Craig Robinson
It's just true. They know how to work people in.
[64:44]
Michelle Obama
A way that dogs know they do.
[64:46]
Craig Robinson
It is. And also, they're persistent. Nevertheless.
[64:48]
Bowen Yang
Nevertheless.
[64:49]
Michelle Obama
They're demanding. They're not persistent. They're insistent. Yeah, they're cat people.
[64:54]
Matt Rogers
We're cat people.
[64:55]
Craig Robinson
We.
[64:55]
Matt Rogers
We've had two cat. We just lost our last cat.
[64:59]
Michelle Obama
I mean, their cats live forever.
[65:03]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
[65:03]
Craig Robinson
Missy icon.
[65:06]
Matt Rogers
We're cat folks.
[65:07]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[65:08]
Michelle Obama
May they rest in peace.
[65:09]
Craig Robinson
You know what's funny is, like, I think I am a dog as a. But I would get a cat. I think he's a cat as a person and he wants a dog so badly. Like, that's just. Isn't that funny how that is another thought starter. Who knew?
[65:24]
Michelle Obama
You too.
[65:25]
Craig Robinson
Okay, who wants to go first?
[65:26]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my God.
[65:27]
Matt Rogers
Should I go first?
[65:28]
Michelle Obama
Okay, you do it.
[65:29]
Craig Robinson
So are you gonna do the one that Michelle suggested?
[65:32]
Matt Rogers
No. And we'll tell you what that is after. Because I can't do a whole minute on it.
[65:35]
Craig Robinson
Okay. Okay.
[65:36]
Michelle Obama
Okay. Can we do a whole minute on anything? Okay, here we go.
[65:39]
Craig Robinson
I tried down. You want some water?
[65:41]
Michelle Obama
You want some water?
[65:42]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah, yeah. Let me.
[65:44]
Michelle Obama
He doesn't like the metal straw.
[65:46]
Craig Robinson
Oh, you don't like the straw?
[65:47]
Matt Rogers
The metal straw.
[65:48]
Michelle Obama
Metal on my table.
[65:49]
Craig Robinson
I don't think so, honey.
[65:52]
Bowen Yang
This is Craig Robinson's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.
[65:55]
Matt Rogers
I don't think so, honey. And I'm talking about balloons. Balloons are for birthday parties and baby showers. They are not to ride in.
[66:05]
Michelle Obama
Get em.
[66:06]
Craig Robinson
Oh, God.
[66:07]
Matt Rogers
Let me tell you why. First and foremost, you can die three different ways in a balloon.
[66:12]
Craig Robinson
Tell us.
[66:13]
Matt Rogers
You can go straight up so far that you lose oxygen and die. Horrible. Second thing is that you could go straight down to your point and fall out. But the horrible thing is you can burn up in a balloon fire. Do not talk about that. You can burn up. And who are these people who are getting in balloon chariots and not with.
[66:39]
Craig Robinson
Lana Glenda in the movie?
[66:41]
Matt Rogers
You cannot.
[66:42]
Craig Robinson
Terrible.
[66:43]
Matt Rogers
You cannot control where you're gonna land. They got these trucks to follow you along. You could land in the ocean if you're not right.
[66:51]
Michelle Obama
I can't take it.
[66:52]
Matt Rogers
I don't think so, honey. And that's what I think. I'm gonna have a heart attack.
[66:58]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my God.
[66:59]
Craig Robinson
And here I was thinking, oh, my God. You said, I don't think so, any balloons. And I'm like, well, there's so much to say about how, how loud they pop, right? Be blowing them up. But you see hot air balloons, hot air balloon travel and how ridiculous it is. Because you're right and you should say it and you did.
[67:15]
Bowen Yang
These people are getting up at the ass crack of dawn to meet up in a big field to get in a wicker basket.
[67:21]
Matt Rogers
You wanna see a mountain?
[67:23]
Craig Robinson
Look at a picture of it.
[67:24]
Matt Rogers
And guys, wait, let's just say you avoid those three ways of dying. And you come down the land and the thing turns over and you get suffocated.
[67:33]
Bowen Yang
And you get suffocated. And now, by the way, now you're back on land. And that's lethal, by the way.
[67:40]
Craig Robinson
What do they tell your parents? Oh, sorry, he died and it was like an idiot because he went up in a hot air balloon and didn't need to be doing all that. So my mom is gonna pick up the phone and say, oh, he died being extra.
[67:53]
Michelle Obama
Well, yeah, under a big right.
[67:56]
Bowen Yang
Yes, serves a right. Under a big snoopy head.
[67:59]
Craig Robinson
Like.
[67:59]
Michelle Obama
Give me a break.
[68:00]
Craig Robinson
Give me a break. Oh my God. And I get so nervous when I. I see them holding the big, big balloon parade. You know what I'm saying? Because they have to hold it at the bottom. And this is. And I know it's. It hasn't gone perfectly well every time. No, they'll lose control of those things.
[68:14]
Bowen Yang
Absolutely.
[68:15]
Michelle Obama
Now we're getting serious.
[68:17]
Craig Robinson
Thought starters. It's like that's title of that thought.
[68:20]
Michelle Obama
Now we're getting serious. You were concerned, Matt. No, this is just like. This is not good.
[68:26]
Craig Robinson
This gives me anguish. I did.
[68:29]
Michelle Obama
This is why. I don't think so.
[68:30]
Craig Robinson
Honey is a powerful tool for conversation.
[68:32]
Matt Rogers
This is great. It's great.
[68:33]
Craig Robinson
It's cathartic.
[68:34]
Matt Rogers
But you know what you wanted me to do it on?
[68:36]
Craig Robinson
What?
[68:37]
Michelle Obama
Ventriloquists.
[68:37]
Matt Rogers
I think the world is missing out on ventriloquists.
[68:40]
Craig Robinson
You think there should be more?
[68:41]
Matt Rogers
There should be more.
[68:42]
Bowen Yang
I don't disagree with it.
[68:43]
Michelle Obama
Just like the didgeridoo.
[68:45]
Matt Rogers
Just like the didgeridoo.
[68:46]
Bowen Yang
I don't disagree with you.
[68:47]
Craig Robinson
You know what?
[68:48]
Bowen Yang
This.
[68:48]
Craig Robinson
Cause it is extremely difficult talent.
[68:51]
Matt Rogers
It is a. And those who can do it are really good.
[68:54]
Craig Robinson
Yeah. Have you ever tried?
[68:56]
Matt Rogers
Of course I tried.
[68:58]
Bowen Yang
Well, how'd it go?
[68:59]
Michelle Obama
Poorly.
[69:00]
Matt Rogers
Well, not good enough for my parents to get me a ventriloquist dummy. I had to use one of her dolls.
[69:05]
Craig Robinson
Okay, so do you have it? You can't do it now?
[69:09]
Matt Rogers
No, I can't talk like that.
[69:12]
Craig Robinson
It is crazy hard.
[69:14]
Matt Rogers
It's crazy hard because my lips are too far apart. But there are guys who can do their lips like this.
[69:19]
Bowen Yang
It's eerie.
[69:20]
Matt Rogers
Yeah, it's crazy, but it's wonderful. It is a wonderful talent that I just love, Love ventriloquist. They need to bring them back.
[69:27]
Michelle Obama
You brought it up in one of our IMO sessions, and I can't remember.
[69:31]
Matt Rogers
What context I said, in my opinion. Oh, yeah, in our world, where the world is missing, ventriloquist.
[69:37]
Michelle Obama
And I was like, what?
[69:38]
Matt Rogers
No, I said ventriloquist is under. They're under represented in comedy.
[69:46]
Bowen Yang
You're not wrong.
[69:47]
Craig Robinson
Is there a famous ventriloquist now? Who's the closest thing?
[69:50]
Michelle Obama
I don't know. They were on America's Got Talent. They would have to be. That's where they show up. I think you have to watch America's Got Talent.
[69:58]
Craig Robinson
Did you just watch the other night?
[70:00]
Michelle Obama
I did. I haven't seen it this season.
[70:02]
Craig Robinson
Shout out to my friend Benjamin Hightower.
[70:06]
Michelle Obama
What did he. What did he do?
[70:07]
Craig Robinson
He's a veteran, and he went on America's Got Talent, and he sang Chapel Ron Pink Pony Club on the. While playing the piano.
[70:14]
Michelle Obama
I'm gonna go YouTube that.
[70:16]
Craig Robinson
Oh, this is gonna make his life that. You're gonna go watch it. But, like, I'm telling you, like, did he get through? He got through with flying colors. And it's going vi.
[70:24]
Michelle Obama
Okay, I'm gonna watch that.
[70:25]
Craig Robinson
He's great. We're proud of him.
[70:26]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my gosh.
[70:27]
Bowen Yang
So proud of Ben.
[70:27]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my gosh. Anyways, can we just skip mine? You guys are.
[70:31]
Craig Robinson
No, this is the new.
[70:33]
Michelle Obama
Okay, okay. All right.
[70:34]
Matt Rogers
She's gonna slay it.
[70:35]
Craig Robinson
Of course she is. Of course. All right.
[70:37]
Bowen Yang
This is Michelle Obama's. I don't think so, honey. Her time starts now.
[70:41]
Michelle Obama
I don't think so, honey. Segues, I hope. First of all, they still have them here in Washington, D.C. as part of the Monuments tour. I mean, look, they go so slow. It's just annoying that they go so slow. You just want to just get off and walk.
[70:59]
Bowen Yang
Yes.
[70:59]
Michelle Obama
Walk fast. You know, we are dealing with an obesity crisis in the world. We need people walking. And if you're on a motorized thing that doesn't move any faster than you walk, then I say, please, please take the helmet off, because you don't need it on a Segway. And just walk a little bit. Walk fast, walk slow, walk at all. Oh, my God. Just walk. 20 seconds and they're in the bike lane. Are they a B? Because it's almost like you're walking in the bike lane. You should just be on the sidewalk. You don't need to be in the bike lane with the Segway. You're not moving fast enough. And I just say, please, Americans, get off the Segways. Get rid of them. Put your walking shoes on and let's move.
[71:41]
Matt Rogers
Yes.
[71:43]
Craig Robinson
One minute.
[71:45]
Michelle Obama
Oh, my God.
[71:45]
Craig Robinson
And there's a lot of drama about, like, who belongs in what. Because it's like the bike lane has become a place where I see a lot of walkers. And this is a recipe for D I, S A S T, E, R. Spell it.
[71:57]
Michelle Obama
You did spell it, right?
[71:59]
Craig Robinson
Disaster.
[72:00]
Michelle Obama
Exactly.
[72:01]
Craig Robinson
I don't know why I spelled it, but I was moved to spell.
[72:03]
Michelle Obama
That's N, Y, U. Work it out.
[72:06]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, that's what.
[72:08]
Michelle Obama
I went to college.
[72:08]
Craig Robinson
I became a worse speller here.
[72:10]
Michelle Obama
I went to college.
[72:12]
Bowen Yang
I do hesitate to bring up what is the carbon footprint on those, too.
[72:16]
Michelle Obama
I know.
[72:17]
Bowen Yang
I think about that with Segways. Surely they're releasing something.
[72:20]
Michelle Obama
Something for nothing. It's like it's not getting you any. Anywhere faster. So it's like. And I do. I could go on about scooters, too.
[72:28]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[72:28]
Michelle Obama
You know the electric ones that. You know, some of my staff ride without helmets.
[72:35]
Craig Robinson
Oh, no.
[72:36]
Michelle Obama
Yep, yep.
[72:37]
Craig Robinson
They're lit up in there now.
[72:39]
Matt Rogers
Yeah.
[72:40]
Bowen Yang
They got something to say.
[72:41]
Michelle Obama
Yeah. Well, I'm just glad that I don't drive anymore with the scooter madness, because. Who are you looking out for? The pedestrian, the biker, the scooter who's like. They're. They're on the sidewalk, they're off the sidewalk. Are there. Are you with us or not?
[72:55]
Matt Rogers
They're in the street nowadays in front of cars, it's dangerous.
[72:59]
Craig Robinson
Do you think if you got behind the wheel of a car now, you could still slay?
[73:03]
Michelle Obama
I drive.
[73:03]
Craig Robinson
Oh, you do drive.
[73:04]
Bowen Yang
Okay, good.
[73:05]
Michelle Obama
Well, I drive in certain places.
[73:07]
Craig Robinson
I see. I see.
[73:09]
Michelle Obama
And I can still drive.
[73:11]
Craig Robinson
Okay, cool.
[73:11]
Matt Rogers
I have not been in the car.
[73:12]
Craig Robinson
With her driving, which, like, what?
[73:14]
Michelle Obama
It doesn't count because you haven't seen it.
[73:16]
Craig Robinson
So you can't vouch for.
[73:18]
Matt Rogers
I cannot vouch. Usually I can vouch for her, but.
[73:21]
Michelle Obama
I cannot vouch for the driver quality of the driving behind me. They know I can drive. I have not had an accident. I remember how to do it. It's like riding a bike.
[73:31]
Matt Rogers
Okay.
[73:31]
Michelle Obama
There you go.
[73:32]
Matt Rogers
I love it. Okay.
[73:34]
Craig Robinson
You know, it is kind of like I've taken, like, 10 month breaks because I'll go to, like, New York for a while and then come back to la and I Get it. And I'm like, oh, do I know this? And you know it. Once you know it, you know it.
[73:43]
Bowen Yang
I learned on a stick. And I'm like, do I know how to do that?
[73:47]
Michelle Obama
That is the thing that I kind.
[73:49]
Bowen Yang
Of need to know.
[73:49]
Michelle Obama
My first car was a stick.
[73:51]
Bowen Yang
I miss it.
[73:51]
Craig Robinson
I like it.
[73:52]
Michelle Obama
I do. It makes you feel like you're really. Yeah, yeah. You're cranking something. I'm engaged. I'm doing this. My car isn't moving without me.
[74:00]
Matt Rogers
See, everybody wishes they were a race car driver.
[74:05]
Michelle Obama
And it all goes back to race car driving. He's a Formula one fanatic.
[74:09]
Matt Rogers
I am.
[74:09]
Craig Robinson
You are.
[74:11]
Bowen Yang
How are you feeling right now in this moment? It seems like it's really. There's a groundswell.
[74:15]
Matt Rogers
I cannot wait to see the movie. To see how.
[74:17]
Craig Robinson
Yeah, the soundtrack is banging, by the way.
[74:22]
Matt Rogers
We are gonna go to the theater with all the sound around, surround sound and take the boys and get the popcorn on my.
[74:29]
Michelle Obama
Maybe that's how we get them to Broadway. That if Formula one goes on Broadway, maybe you'll go see.
[74:34]
Craig Robinson
When's the last Broadway show you saw?
[74:36]
Michelle Obama
We were talking about that.
[74:37]
Matt Rogers
We were talking about that. I think it was Romeo and Juliet, but it wasn't on Broadway.
[74:42]
Michelle Obama
It was not the most recent, so. Have you ever been to a Broadway show?
[74:46]
Matt Rogers
I have, but I can't remember what I wish.
[74:48]
Michelle Obama
That's crazy. You are not.
[74:50]
Matt Rogers
No, I saw Hamilton.
[74:51]
Michelle Obama
He's not my brother.
[74:52]
Matt Rogers
I'm so. Hamilton. Not on Broadway.
[74:55]
Craig Robinson
Oh, great.
[74:57]
Matt Rogers
You saw that tour or something.
[74:58]
Bowen Yang
Yeah, yeah.
[74:58]
Michelle Obama
But he didn't remember it. Like, it didn't come to mind.
[75:01]
Craig Robinson
I think.
[75:02]
Michelle Obama
I think he doesn't know. He doesn't know.
[75:07]
Matt Rogers
It's just not my thing. That's okay. It's not my thing.
[75:10]
Michelle Obama
He doesn't know.
[75:12]
Matt Rogers
It's like.
[75:12]
Michelle Obama
How do you not know?
[75:14]
Matt Rogers
Because I don't go around.
[75:15]
Craig Robinson
Because you do.
[75:16]
Matt Rogers
F1. And you know what? I saw Les Mis on the movie and I enjoyed it.
[75:24]
Bowen Yang
There you go.
[75:25]
Matt Rogers
Enjoyed it publicly.
[75:27]
Craig Robinson
So did we.
[75:27]
Michelle Obama
It's like, there you go.
[75:29]
Craig Robinson
We publicly really enjoyed that.
[75:33]
Michelle Obama
I'm gonna shame you into Broadway. I'm gonna take you to some Broadway show you love. O Mary.
[75:38]
Matt Rogers
I would, but you guys have to understand. So I have 32 year old and still have a 13 year old. And in between, I'm coaching teams where I have 15 other people's kids. Kids in my per. So.
[75:56]
Michelle Obama
And it's not an excuse.
[75:58]
Matt Rogers
I wanted him to play well for me, so I didn't take him to a Broadway show. I took him to a baseball game or a tank.
[76:08]
Craig Robinson
There's more cross.
[76:09]
Michelle Obama
They go to New York all the time. You owe it to take place.
[76:12]
Matt Rogers
We don't go to New York all.
[76:13]
Michelle Obama
The time to Broadway. Oh, you were just there.
[76:15]
Matt Rogers
No, no, no, I. I was not there. Kelly and the. Yeah, I guess we was there.
[76:22]
Craig Robinson
I'm trying to think, like, what?
[76:23]
Bowen Yang
Me too.
[76:23]
Matt Rogers
You.
[76:25]
Craig Robinson
Because it's valuable by all here. It's so good.
[76:28]
Matt Rogers
And another thing the boys would love so our kids. We take our kids to see stuff in our area, but we just haven't made a sojourn to Broadway shows. You'll know a lot of the Broadway.
[76:39]
Craig Robinson
Shows, too, obviously, because it's Alicia. So it's like. That's another way in too, I think, because it's kind of controversial, the whole jukebox musical thing, because I love it. But it is a way to bring people to Broadway.
[76:52]
Matt Rogers
But I was thinking about what you guys were saying when you were talking about empty nesters and what you're gonna do now. And once I finally get there in five years. Not like I'm counting, but we'll do stuff like that. Yeah, we'll do stuff like that.
[77:05]
Bowen Yang
It'll be there.
[77:05]
Matt Rogers
It'll be there.
[77:06]
Craig Robinson
It's exciting to get to, like. My parents are traveling internationally for the first time ever now in this phase of their life. They're going to Greece in September, and I'm just so excited for them. And it's just something that wouldn't have happened before because whatever, like, financial concerns are time or whatever. So it's. It's a real, like. Like, gift to get that.
[77:27]
Bowen Yang
Yeah.
[77:27]
Craig Robinson
Any new experience, opportunity, I think imo.
[77:30]
Michelle Obama
Is going to get you into a whole new world of culture. And, you know, I'm looking forward to it. Okay.
[77:36]
Craig Robinson
I mean, so you guys. You guys are loving doing the podcast.
[77:39]
Michelle Obama
Yeah.
[77:40]
Matt Rogers
Oh, man, it's so much fun.
[77:42]
Bowen Yang
You're very good at it.
[77:42]
Matt Rogers
You know, we were so close growing up.
[77:45]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[77:45]
Matt Rogers
And then work and all the White House, it just us apart. And now we get to be back together, kind of like we were before. Because when we are together, it's as if we are in the same bedroom throwing the pillow over the top and she's catching it and throwing it back to me.
[78:02]
Craig Robinson
You can feel that.
[78:02]
Matt Rogers
I can feel it.
[78:03]
Craig Robinson
You can feel that?
[78:04]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yeah. Oh, you can feel it.
[78:05]
Craig Robinson
No. Yeah, absolutely. And I mean, like, we. I will say, you know, before. Before we wrap, I just want to say that we had such an incredible time on your podcast, and thank you for having me. I mean, just. Just to even be able to talk with you guys and get to know you is so special. And the fact that you'd welcome us onto your platform is, you know, it's moving, emotional. It's so fun and all the things. And so we just had the best time today.
[78:32]
Michelle Obama
Well, you guys are special. You really are smart as all get out. Funny, talented. The advice you give, the joy, the fun you're bringing into people's lives, you know, we need it right now. And we couldn't be more proud of you, you both. And it has been an honor to spend this time with you, but it will not be the last time. We're podcasters. We are a part of the podcast family.
[79:01]
Matt Rogers
You guys are the experts. So we feel so silly that that is true.
[79:05]
Michelle Obama
Well, we still have not fully talked about the Real Housewives. No.
[79:08]
Craig Robinson
We could do all that.
[79:10]
Michelle Obama
We may need to.
[79:11]
Matt Rogers
I'm gonna.
[79:11]
Michelle Obama
We should do a whole tutorial for him.
[79:14]
Craig Robinson
Yes.
[79:14]
Michelle Obama
Yeah. What's a good primer start with New.
[79:18]
Craig Robinson
York Season 7 When Bethany comes back.
[79:20]
Matt Rogers
Oh, my God.
[79:22]
Craig Robinson
For you to think about.
[79:23]
Michelle Obama
So clear.
[79:24]
Bowen Yang
That's very clear.
[79:25]
Michelle Obama
That's a clear direction.
[79:26]
Craig Robinson
It's because it's how I started. And I'm much like whenever people ask me how to get into Survivor, which we're also big Survivor fans now. I have a syllabus.
[79:33]
Michelle Obama
Okay.
[79:33]
Craig Robinson
And this is important and helpful. It's a tool.
[79:36]
Bowen Yang
It's academic, really.
[79:37]
Craig Robinson
Yeah.
[79:37]
Bowen Yang
So, all right.
[79:38]
Matt Rogers
I was gonna start with the Rhode Island Housewives, but I'm gonna to Salt Lake City.
[79:43]
Craig Robinson
Salt Lake City. Salt Lake City.
[79:44]
Matt Rogers
Oh, yes.
[79:45]
Bowen Yang
We're giving you a lot of conflicting information.
[79:47]
Craig Robinson
We're saying a lot of things.
[79:48]
Michelle Obama
That's okay. We can sum it up. We'll give them a memo.
[79:51]
Bowen Yang
Exactly.
[79:52]
Matt Rogers
I follow directions well.
[79:54]
Craig Robinson
Yeah. Good.
[79:55]
Michelle Obama
You guys are amazing.
[79:57]
Craig Robinson
It's our joy. And you can listen to IMO wherever you get your podcast.
[80:03]
Michelle Obama
Wherever you get your podcast.
[80:05]
Craig Robinson
And we. And every. Every episode with a song on my own pretending he's beside me. This is Les Mis.
[80:16]
Michelle Obama
I know.
[80:18]
Craig Robinson
As you listen to the rest of Les Mis, you can stream the soundtrack.
[80:21]
Michelle Obama
I guess I know.
[80:22]
Matt Rogers
Bye.
[80:23]
Michelle Obama
Bye.
[80:28]
Bowen Yang
Las Coldristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.
[80:32]
Craig Robinson
Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier.
[80:37]
Bowen Yang
And produce and produced by Becca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Behm and Monique Laborde.
[80:41]
Craig Robinson
And our music is by Henry Kabirski. Do you know what the perfect addition is to any party. What a Casamigos margarita.
[80:53]
Bowen Yang
Everyone loves a Casamigos margarita. She really is that girl.
[80:58]
Craig Robinson
It's true everyone can get behind her.
[81:00]
Bowen Yang
She's a little tangy, she's a little sweet, she's good any which way Anything.
[81:03]
Craig Robinson
Goes with my Casamigos and that's Rule.
[81:05]
Bowen Yang
Of Culture number 87 cause anything goes.
[81:08]
Craig Robinson
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Michelle Obama
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