"We <3 Our Customers" (w/ Demi Lovato)

Summary

Las Culturistas: "We <3 Our Customers" (with Demi Lovato)

Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Episode Date: October 22, 2025
Special Guest: Demi Lovato
Network: Big Money Players Network and iHeartPodcasts

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Episode Overview

In this vibrant and deeply fun episode, culture consultants Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang welcome international pop icon Demi Lovato as their guest. The trio dives into Demi’s new dance-pop album "It’s Not That Deep," celebrating the freedom found in not taking oneself too seriously. They also cover pop music’s current golden era, Demi’s creative process, formative cultural touchstones like "American Idol," and the importance of vulnerability—both in music and real life. Laughter, iconic quotes, thoughtful insights, and pop culture dishing abound.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

Fall, Food, and Upcoming Events

• The hosts riff on the arrival of fall and their plans for New Orleans gay Halloween weekend, blending personal anecdotes with cultural observations on food, music, and travel.
  (Timestamp: 03:14–07:01)

Pop Music and the Gay Adult Narrative

• Discussion about how certain Disney movies ("Ratatouille," "Soul") and icons like Demi Lovato have traversed from kids content to "for gay adults," illustrating the evolving relationship audiences have with pop culture.
• Matt admits he doesn’t really watch Disney movies anymore:
  • “I don’t do the Disney films. Or—I like to go on the rides!” (05:55)
• Bowen and Matt joke about the "Remy from Ratatouille narrative" applied to Demi’s career arc.
  (Timestamp: 07:00–08:09)

Celebrating Demi’s New Era

• Anticipation builds for Demi’s new album and how it could be a unifying moment for the community.
• Matt: "If we do right by this album as a culture, as a community, we will be okay. I genuinely believe that." (08:09)
• The hosts maintain authenticity, joking about ad reads and paid promotions, reinforcing their sincerity for the music.
  (Timestamp: 08:09–09:34)

Fall Fashion & Red Hook Flea

• A quick detour into fall fashion, succession cosplay, and the hosts’ recent fashionable outings, full of the duo’s signature playfulness.
• "You look like you're about to be a really handsome three episode arc on Succession if that show was still on." (11:21) —Matt
  (Timestamp: 10:51–12:00)

Bravo & Housewives Drama

• The hosts unpack the “Osefo scandal” on RHOP, discussing insurance fraud, cultural narratives on Housewives, and the tension between aspirational image and real life.
• "What makes me saddest is the children... I just think it’s really sad that people that are as smart as this... felt that they needed to do something like this." —Matt (22:26)
• Extended, empathetic analysis of how reality TV fame pressures its stars and spotlights personal struggles.
  (Timestamp: 21:11–29:44)

Pop Discourse (Taylor Swift, Olivia Dean & More)

• Extended breakdowns of recent pop albums, the evolution of Taylor Swift’s writing, and the importance of letting culture "congeal" before hot takes, with a strong focus on critical listening and the long game of pop impact.
• "It's just not why music exists—so that people can race to have a take on it." —Bowen (36:32) (Timestamp: 33:15–43:51)

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Interview with Demi Lovato

(Begins ~48:36)

Opening Tributes & Demi’s Cultural Significance

• Matt and Bowen celebrate Demi’s impact:
  • "Our grandchildren will have 'Cool for the Summer.' It’s a rule of culture somewhere." (49:02)
• Demi reflects on hearing the podcast’s tributes and feeling the love.
  (Timestamp: 48:36–50:32)

"It’s Not That Deep" — The New Album

• Demi explains the album’s ethos:
  • "The album title, for me, 'It’s Not That Deep,' is all about, like, I’m not taking myself too seriously as an artist anymore. I’m just having fun... I wanted a body of work that’s really reflective of that." (51:58)
• Origins of the album:
  • Had started writing a rock album, but, "I was like, I can’t really... I’m running out of things to write about because I’m so happy right now." (53:05)
  • Creative shift came after hearing the track for "Frequency," made by producer Zone on the way to the studio.
• Demi credits Kesha for producer suggestion and cites her as inspiration:
  • "I was really inspired by Ke$ha for this album... She’s an incredible human being and she’s so great." (56:47)
• Collaborative, improvisational studio environment highlighted; the importance of “vocal moments”:
  • "One thing about me is when I’m in the studio, I’m like, where's my vocal moment?" (58:11)
• The goal: making "a very fun dance pop album" reflective of joy and freedom.
  (Timestamp: 51:58–59:09)

On Songwriting, Self-Doubt, and Healing

• Demi discusses early experiences having her songwriting confidence shaken:
  • "The confidence that I had went out the window for a period of time... Even today, sometimes I’ll go into the studio and I’m like, is this a good idea?" (80:32)
• Collaborative spirit—values having co-writers’ input, and how this current album project has been "healing" for her self-worth as a songwriter.
  • "I think it has been healing for me... recognizing my worth as a songwriter has shown through on this project." (83:00)
• Describes "flow state" in the studio:
  • "When I’m in my flow state? Absolutely. There’s something that comes over me..." (86:14)
  • Relates to the experience described in Pixar’s "Soul":
    • "It reminds me of the movie 'Soul.' That’s what I chase with music." (87:02) (Timestamp: 80:32–90:09)

Live Music & Fan Connection

• Demi expresses eagerness to tour:
  • "I haven’t toured in three years, so it’s time, and I definitely want to. I miss seeing the reactions." (84:26)
• Shares joy in performing songs like "Give Your Heart a Break" after years:
  • "When I performed that for the first time in years, the reaction was so great that I was like, wait, I love this." (85:02) (Timestamp: 84:19–85:51)

Vulnerability and Advocacy

• Demi discusses choosing to be public about her struggles to offer is role modeling for others:
  • "I didn’t have a role model at 13 that was speaking up about eating disorders... I need to be that role model for someone else." (74:16)
• On sharing personal experience:
  • "That’s kind of the catalyst for why I’ve been open about all of my struggles... I want to help people, and the best way that I know how is sharing my personal experience." (75:48) (Timestamp: 74:16–75:48)

Influences & "American Idol"

• Demi and Matt bond over Kelly Clarkson as their "number one"—and the cultural significance of "American Idol":
  • "She was my first idol. Yeah, I really think she was my first idol." (65:57)
• Reflects on learning about music history and dreaming bigger as a Texas kid. (Timestamp: 65:14–66:18)

Family, Fame & Support Systems

• Demi opens up about her younger sister’s experiences acting on "Desperate Housewives" and her own wish to have been more protective.
  • "There was a lot of scrutiny in the show about her body, and I hate that... I think I have an interesting perspective on it today." (72:13)
• Expresses deep gratitude for her real and chosen family, especially core best friends and her husband Jordan – "He is my person that... I would call in the middle of the night and be like, hey, I’m lonely... and he would be there for me." (96:03) (Timestamp: 71:09–97:46)

Pop Girl Solidarity & Stan Names

• Demi shows love for her fellow pop stars and lifts up "all the pop girlies" as inspiration and friends.
  • "I could keep going about how incredible these pop girlies are and so inspiring to me..." (109:21)
• On her fanbase name:
  • "I didn’t decide Lovatic... at first I was like, huh?... But I came out and everyone had a stan name and I was assigned one, and I was like, I’ll take it." (99:31) (Timestamp: 109:09–101:22)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On reinvention:

  • "Demi Lovato is like one of our great chameleons, musically." —Matt (54:39)

• On choosing creative direction:

  • "What inspires me at the time is what I chase. And that’s why I’ve fluctuated over the years with different genres." —Demi (55:47)

• On collective pop magic:

  • "You were being fed a feast that was nutritious, ethically made, gorgeously performed... and still you’re like, pushing your plate away..." —Bowen, in their “I Don’t Think So, Honey” rant, about people sleeping on “Fast” (108:08)

• On public vulnerability:

  • "I didn’t have a role model at 13 that was speaking up about eating disorders. I was like, I need to be that role model for someone else." —Demi (74:16)

• On the magic of music:

  • "It transcends language. Like, you don’t—I could be listening to a song that’s in a different language, but it’ll make me weep if it’s the right chords and the right emotion behind it." —Demi (87:47)

• On live performance:

  • "I really do miss that connection... I miss seeing the reactions of my fans’ faces when I play their favorite songs." —Demi (84:26)

• On tattoo regrets:

  • "I wish I had thought more about it rather than getting all these impulsive tattoos... I just feel like every time I’ve gotten a matching tattoo, it just didn’t end up well." —Demi (94:00)

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Segment Timestamps

• Early Banter & Culture Catch-up: 03:14–47:36
• Demi Lovato Joins – Interview Begins: 48:36
• On the New Album & Creative Process: 51:58–59:09
• American Idol, Influences, and Family: 65:08–73:35
• Songwriting, Self-Doubt, and Healing: 80:32–90:09
• Flow State & Performance: 86:14–90:09
• Vulnerability, Advocacy, and Struggles: 74:16–75:48
• Pop Girl Solidarity & Stan Names: 109:09–101:22
• Bravo/Housewives Chat & Closing: 115:45–119:23

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The “I Don’t Think So, Honey” Segment

(106:05–110:27)

• Matt tears into pumpkin spice haters; Demi fully agrees and reveals her own love for pumpkin spice.
• Bowen targets the lack of "Song of the Summer" credit for Demi’s "Fast", a theme echoed by Demi herself, who also shouts out the pop girls of 2025.

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Final Thoughts

This is a must-listen episode for pop culture fans, featuring honest behind-the-scenes stories, openhearted vulnerability, and the kind of playful, rapid-fire wit that defines Las Culturistas. Demi Lovato shines both as an artist embracing a new joyous era and as a thoughtful, self-aware person. The surrounding pop talk—about Taylor, current music culture, and Bravo antics—makes this a packed and rewarding listen.

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Notable Standout Quotes:

• "Our grandchildren will have 'Cool for the Summer.'"
• "What inspires me at the time is what I chase."
• "The album title, for me, 'It’s Not That Deep', is all about, like, I’m not taking myself too seriously as an artist anymore."
• "It reminds me of the movie 'Soul.' That’s what I chase with music."
• "If we do right by this album as a culture... we will be okay."
• "I need to be that role model for someone else."

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For those who haven’t listened:
This episode encapsulates everything Las Culturistas does best: joyful interrogation of pop culture, honest star interviews, and a safe space for both stanning and realness. Demi’s presence is a treat; her reflections and wisdom resonate for fans, fellow artists, and anyone trying to find real joy—on or off the dance floor.

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What do you think is in the air right now?

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Fall. Fall.

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Spooky season for sure.

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I haven't been spooked at all. Can I say that's not been a part of it.

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I think we're about to get spooked, though. We're about to go to New Orleans for our friend Joel Kim Booster's bachelor party.

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Did you know it's New Orleans gay Halloween weekend?

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I think someone knew. Someone in the group knew. Otherwise they wouldn't have picked New Orleans for that week. I think this is all very intentional. Not. Certainly not on our parts. We're just along for the ride.

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It's targeted. It's targeted. But here's the thing about gay weekend vacation. It just so happens to. I faced this in P Town too, because it's like the thing about New Orleans. And also P town is, well, maybe more New Orleans than P Town, but they talk about the food in New Orleans. And so I'm really going to want to center your gumbo, your beignets, beignets.

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Your andouille, and more and more.

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You know what I mean? Food. And then at the same time, it's like a gay Halloween weekend. You know what I'm saying? It's like you don't want to necessarily be full of the boule bass when you're trying to shake that ace.

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Well, I want. That's really good.

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Was it?

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I want a bullet to get me in the bass.

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You want to. You want a bullet in your base? Well, bullet in bullet in my base. Don't you want that?

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He got the bullet bass.

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Oh, my God. Ratatouille would love this song. But I have to say that he wouldn't because that's not his name.

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That's not his name. It's Remy.

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Do you remember finding that out? Holy fuck.

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That was when you knew that that movie was for adults.

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It wasn't A Pixar movie for kids firing on other cylinders.

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Well, that. The. That the title is a peasant vegetable dish and not the cute little mouse. Yeah, like, that was when Pixar went, this one's a thinker. And it's. And, yeah, we're gonna trick the kids into the theater with these little mice and the posters. Him, you know, surrounded by knives against a door. I don't remember that ever happening in the movie. Then it becomes a whole treatise on art and the joy of cooking and romance in Paris. So Ratatouille doesn't have any, I would say, Cajun New Orleans food in it.

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Can I tell you something? I've never seen it.

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Are you serious?

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I don't really. What? Can I come out of here? Are you serious? I don't really watch the Disney movies. I don't watch the Disney movies. I'm serious. I don't. They're not a part of my culture that I consume. Like, I don't do that. I go, I. I don't do the Disney films.

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Or.

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No, I'm not like, you know, I don't.

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What is this?

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I don't. I don't watch the movies. I like to go on the rides. It's a misconception.

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What was the last Disney movie you saw?

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Well, get this. In today's episode of the podcast, we have Demi Lovato on famous Disney star turned very, very Remy from Ratatouille narrative. Used to be a Disney star is now for gay adults. Very Remy narrative. But in this episode, which you're about to hear, this is really just a little appetizer. If we're going with the Remy meal metaphor, which we are.

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And we're for gay adult.

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For me, when I go to. When I go to Epcot, Remy's for gay adults. Sure.

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It's this gay adult.

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And I should.

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And we should just also clear up. Boule base is a French stew, and it's not Cajun. I. We also must. We're gonna get reamed by the. By the cooks out there.

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Oh, no. Reamed by the cooks. I don't hate that.

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I don't hate the sound of that.

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See you this weekend. You.

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I would love a chef to me.

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Oh, I would love a chef to me. You know, Have I ever been by a chef?

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No.

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Let me think about that while I am. I was gonna say Demi Lovato mentions the movie soul in this episode. The Disney movie soul. That maybe was the last, like, Disney one. No, I did see that. And I remember leaving being like, okay.

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Well, that came out during COVID So you left the room. You left the room that you watched it in. And when.

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No, I mean, I watched it. I remember I watched it in my LA apartment, and I was just like, this one wasn't really in for me. I kind of need, like. I kind of need either one of two things, like a lot of music or a big gay villain who dies in, like, an overdrawn way. I've talked about this on the show. If you don't give me either one of those things, it's like, not the Disney movie for me, but it is the Disney movie for Demi Lovato, which she says in the episode. And I'm so happy for her for that reason and the new album.

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You know, I'm very happy for the new album for. For her and for myself. I'm happy for everybody. I really am. I think this is a moment. We're not playing here. I think this is a moment for the culture where if we do write by this album, we're not being, like, paid to say this. Like, if we do right by this album as a culture, as a community, we will be okay. I genuinely believe that.

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And let me tell you something. They try to pay us to say things, and we always say no, actually.

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T. Besides the ads that we. Besides the ads that we.

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Say, by the way, they try to.

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Tell us to say.

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They try to tell us, and sometimes they do, and it works in the ads. But first of all, any ad you get for, like, the military or for some quote unquote agency in this fucking country of ours is not something that we ever put on the show. And we actually do have a conniption every week, and we do, like, bring it up to the fucking top, Ross. And we're like, take this off.

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Oh, yeah. If you ever hear, like, an ad for the Air Force on this podcast, please let us know. Wait a minute. We will fly right in, as it were.

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Yeah, I wanted to say something, but.

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What do you want to say?

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Nothing. Well, I'll tell you later. Oh.

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Oh.

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See? See what? We're not being authentic.

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No, no. This is between. This is between Bowen and I.

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This is between me and Matt.

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Oh, yeah. We're having a big Demi era, that's for sure.

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Well, I'm saying if we do right by this album, it's not that deep out. This Friday, October 24th, you will really, really be happy. I think. I think we will be dancing during spooky season. There will be Something to really bring the community together on Halloween.

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No.

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What? No matter, no matter what the community is. No matter how you listen to me.

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My lips, your lips Take me to the chorus. I kiss for fun. It's fun to kiss To Kiss Lyrics.

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Lyrics, Music and lyrics. A movie starring Hugh Grant and Drew Barrymore. Also, the things that this album excels at, music and lyrics, I really think you'll enjoy.

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Well, it's actually so crucial that an album excel at both music and lyrics, especially roller culture number nine. It's actually so crucial.

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Crucial that an album that.

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Music and lyrics.

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I would say this one does it in spades.

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Well, I basically, I was really excited today because it's a. It's a very fall day and I sort of got to dress in this new fall way because I don't know if you know by looking at me, but I clearly went to the Red Hook Flea. You know what I mean?

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They sell zip up missoni vests at the Red Hook Flea.

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Look at this. Can you just get into it?

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You look amazing.

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I saw it and Melissa was like, I think you need that. And I was like, I don't know. Now take me to the chorus.

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Thank you so much. I do feel a little bit like what Jeremy Strong like, would wear outside of the boardroom in that show.

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Yes. Yes. Jeremy Strong style icon, by the way. He looked amazing this weekend at the Academy gala, by the way.

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So did you. But I didn't even really know what that event was. And it was like a fashion event.

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Yes. They are trying to make it sort of like a west coast version of another famous museum gala.

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The Man Gala.

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Yes. But I don't want to compare to. And I know I'm not really.

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I do. I want to compare.

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Okay. But truly, what a. What a fun night. And some. Some looks returned. Nikki Campbell had. Nikki Campbell had a fun, snarky thing to say about my outfit and it felt like a dream come true.

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Nikki Campbell's constantly saying I'm in the wrong color. And what I want to say to him is that color is addictive. Oh. So he. I'm sorry, but he recently said something was good that was bad. And I'm like, see, it's subjective.

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Nikki Campbell is really helping me get back to that place that I took for granted during the Fashion Police era, where I'm like, I disagree with this opinion, and that's okay. And this actually applies to every kind of thing in life. Hopefully.

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I'm actually gonna bravely say what I thought was bad that he thought was good. And a lot of people are talking about it. And I do think it's culture, and I do think it's gay culture. And so I respect. I respect the parties involved for creating gay culture with this, and I do think it's smart for the movie. But what Alexander Skarsgrd just wore to the. It was like a white almost halter top and, like, black leather pants with. Yeah, he looked hot. But that. That top didn't. That top didn't look right on him.

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I disagree. But see, you disagree. I thought it looked amazing. I thought it looked incredible.

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Maybe I'm wrong because then actually I did look at. Then I looked at again, like, two days later, and I was like, okay. I mean, it is working. Like, I am a little horny. Yeah, I definitely had a chub. But I was like, is that Alexander Skarsgard, especially him being so fluid, or is that the look? And I don't think it's the look. I think. I think he was very sexy in spite of the look.

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Mm. Interesting.

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See, that's, like. That's where I come in on it.

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Let me. Let me pull this girl up.

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Pull it up again. Because I. I'm in discussion. I just don't know about the way that the top looks. Are you looking at it?

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I don't know. It's. It's. Yeah, it's giving. It's giving. Like Donna Karen. I think the darts. I think the dart. It's not a dart, but it's like. I think, like, the way that there's a stitching, like, up and along, up and down is.

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God, he is such a hot. Okay, you know what? Forget I said he looks amazing. He does look amazing.

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What do you mean?

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He also could do no wrong. I mean, he's. Is he number one? God. You go on Google images of Alexander Skarsgard, and it's really a treat. It's actually roller culture number four. You go on Google image of Alexander.

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Skarsgard, and it's really a treat and I'm sure a gem of a human being as well. Good enough for Jack McBrayer. Good enough for us. I've heard this.

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Well, they're like iconic besties.

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I know. Jack.

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Jack McBrayer.

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Come on.

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The pod front runner for best vibes, hands down.

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Oh yes. That man is a vibe.

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He's really good. He's really fun.

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I really enjoy him. I must. I just have to say that. Yeah.

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Oh, can we just shout out? I'm like, really? I'm sorry. While you were doing that, I was still feeling the free song about Alexander Skarsgard and I had a thought run through my head which was I should make him my phone background. But I think that's a bridge too far. Why is that? Because I'm like a grown man.

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Well, look at him.

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[A]

Congratulations on another amazing banner week on the Today show with Jenna.

[B]

Oh, thank you.

[A]

You were fabulous as always. A lot of. A lot of hot, hot, hot employees on the staff crushing on my friend Matt Rogers.

[B]

Really? Didn't you.

[A]

You guys had a whole thing where.

[B]

Like, oh, oh, oh, no. She. She was saying that her. One of her mom friends was like, I like Matt Rogers. I have a crush on Matt Rogers.

[A]

I thought it was this either with someone on staff, okay, they would know. It was unprofessional.

[B]

It was. It was like her former assistant was texting her current assistant. I wish Matt Rogers was straight. Which is such a kind thing to say when you're a straight woman. No, I. I really do. I take that as a compliment. But then she was saying that she was around a bunch of mom friends who were saying they like me on the show. I mean, like, I love going and doing the show. I just don't think they're gonna want to pay anyone to do that job.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's my thing is everyone's like, when is it going to be official? I'm like, I'm not thinking of it like that.

[A]

Yeah. I think there are a lot of factors surrounding this that are out of our control in this area to speak. Whatever. We'll end it there. But I also want to say really quickly, I have to commend the work of friend of the pod, Brooke Ashley. I have been wrapped in her, in her storytelling.

[B]

Oh, my God.

[A]

When it comes to the Osefo scandal of it all, I don't think we have to spend too much time on this, but it is. It is real. I am thinking about this situation a lot. Very, very, very, very unfortunate for a lot of reasons. If you don't know. One of the real houses of Potomac. Wendy Osefo and her husband Eddie Oseffo are allegedly in this sort of insurance fraud scheme that is just super unfortunate. They apparently allegedly staged a burglary, reported these goods stolen. They then returned these allegedly stolen goods to the retailer before the burglary allegedly took place. And then Wendy was seen on social media with a piece of jewelry after the burglary.

[B]

Yeah, they were arrested, I mean, they were arrested on multiple counts of, of felonies and, and other misdemeanors, but all relating to insurance fraud. And this is the first, I guess, guest of our show that's been arrested for felony crimes. I really hope this is some kind of mistake that can get cleared up. But also, I don't think they go out of their way to make a full blown public arrest, like, especially one that's as public as this without there being something. I will say. The thing that makes me saddest about.

[A]

This is the children.

[B]

Well, yes, obviously, but also like, we saw them try a lot of ways to make money. You know what I mean? Like, she came in with this full blown, you know, identity as a professor, as someone who is very well educated, you know, famously four degrees, you know, she also had a, has a career as a commentator, a political commentator. She was trying to do a talk show. She tried to do a home essentials line. There's now the weed business. Like, these are people that we saw try many different ways to make money. And I don't know how successful those were or how things look on the outset, but I just think it's really sad that people that are as smart as this or as accomplished as this. And as that presented as such, you know, different types of people felt that they needed to do something like this. And I really hope that I, I'm just, I'm rooting for their innocence. And I think the whole thing is really sad because I, I, I'm a Dr. Wendy fan. And the final thing I want to say is I blame Giselle. I blame Giselle.

[A]

Oh, I absolutely blame Giselle. And Robin.

[B]

I blame Giselle. I blame Robin. I blame Ashley. I blame them all.

[A]

Oh, Ashley Darby remains one of the dumbest people to ever.

[B]

You posted that story of her being like, so I'm going to the White House correspondence dinner. And it's not really a partisan thing. It's like, I mean, kind of is when you.

[A]

Oh, according to who? Ashley.

[B]

According to her. I guess in that moment, one of.

[A]

One of our great, great minds. I'm sorry, I. I go for. I go for how stupid these, specifically these two people are. And it is sad that, like, you know, whatever. I also root for Wendy. That's all. That's all I'm gonna say. I root for Monday. I think this is so shocking and so unfortunate. For what. Whatever happens, whatever the truth is. I mean, none of it is right, but there are so many things about this that are wrong. But I just think. I just think, you know, on a human level, it's like you never. It's just. It's. It's just a terrible system that we live in. Right. That, like, motivates this kind of thing. That's all.

[B]

I just think how the. Did they think they were gonna get away with it if that's what they were doing?

[A]

AMEX doesn't play. Insurance doesn't play. No, like, insurance will come after you. Anything above What? What, like 400, 500? No, like, the charge was insurance fraud. Over 300. Like, anything above that?

[B]

Well, it was. So basically, they claimed up to $450,000 in stolen goods because their insurance policy, like, required they claim, if. If you know what I mean? Like, so even that just, like, barely getting over that little. You know, it's just all of it feels. All of it feels a little too dumb. Which is why I'm hoping it's a mistake. There can be something else that comes out that clears them. Just because I'm so devastated for their very young children. They have adorable family. Yeah. And, you know, I've always been. I've always been a Wendy fan. But then, you know, who the knows? We don't really. We don't know these people.

[A]

I mean, Brian Moylan did a great breakdown on his Housewives bulletin on Vulture, just like the tears of lying that happens on Housewives. And I think just that just happened in real life. But, like, this is the most serious. I mean, it goes from, like, simple misunderstandings to, like, you know, embellishing the truth all the way down to, like, criminal things. Right. And late. Like, the recent examples of this are perhaps this Wendy situation, certainly the Katie Janela of it all on OC and, you know, classically Monica Garcia. Like, there's just the thing. But the thing at the root of all this is just not being able to reconcile, like, the real life versus what is being shown on tv. Like the gilded exterior of what you want to show on a television show, which is different than social media where you can just control things. You are handing over the edit to people that are not out there to make you look good.

[B]

Yeah, I mean, that's. I guess, like, I think that's what's the darkest about it is it's just like, clearly, like, what was motivating them was, like, material stuff. And at first I was kind of like, well, at least this is a crime that doesn't harm anyone. You know, like, Jen Shaw's crimes, like, explicitly harmed people. Like, so it's. And then I was thinking, yeah, but I mean, it harmed their kids.

[A]

I know.

[B]

That's. That's the thing that sucks is, like, the only people this harms are your family. I thought about her mother, like, because she's got, like, you know, like, a tough relationship with her mom. She was really hemming and hawing about leaving her job as a professor. Her mother is a Nigerian immigrant. Like, she even wrote a book about this experience. Like, this is, like, a hard working, like, very smart woman who tried a lot of things. And it almost made me feel like, oh, God. And even Whitney Rose, like, opening up on Salt Lake about her business failing. Like, I do think there's some. There's some layer that's pulling. Being pulled back now about. Because it did feel like about four or five years ago, there was, like, this Housewives resurgence again. You know what I mean? Like, I felt like Salt Lake doing so well and being in headlines and then, like, you know, bravo exploding the way it did. Like, it felt like an industry again that was really motivating these entrepreneurial attempts by the women. And one dark side of that is that a lot of that is gonna fail. And so I think that it's honestly saving Whitney on the show because it felt like that cast was getting so crowded for her to come out and be like, hey, I am gonna be really honest about this. Like, I did not succeed. And she. And she was not shy at the time about being like, Justin lost his job. I'm putting everything into this. So then by the same token, for her to now come in and be like, hey, all that stuff I said, that was real. I really did sink a lot of my stuff. And it failed.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Is like, making her. It's, you know, kind of.

[A]

Yeah. It gives her this really new thing to play with. I don't think we've seen a lot of this in the Housewives franchises. I think she's being.

[B]

No honesty about failure. I know.

[A]

It's actually. It's very refreshing. We've always rooted for Whitney here.

[B]

Love Whitney.

[A]

We love Whitney and especially loved her conversation with Britney. Haunting. Haunting.

[B]

But. But we. Can we say we love Britney, but Britney, like, we are all Whitney, in that moment, shaking you, being like, you absolutely cannot date this man any further. If your daughter is saying it's a hard line in the sand like you. You can. And then the next epit was like, we are back together.

[A]

Brittany, Brittany, if you're listening, we say this with just love. I know you've been probably getting so much, you know, caustic feedback from just the public. And that is. That is an awful sensation. And that is completely disorienting telling you how to be a parent. We are. We are not necessarily here to do that, but we're here to tell you in a situation like this where one thing is deleterious of the other, it seems like dating Jared is really harming in a potentially permanent way your relationship with your children. That's all.

[B]

And it's going to be documented.

[A]

Yes. And that's. That's even more painful.

[B]

Well, but you know what, though? She's got a show at 54 below. She's going the Luann route.

[A]

I love it. But. But genuinely so talented. I'm not to say that Luann isn't.

[B]

Here's the thing about Luann. She's a star. I've seen that show two times. I don't know if I'd call her a vocal talent, but I would call her a star.

[A]

Oh, an icon. And I took down my post where it was Bravo MG posting about how Luann was cast as the Cowardly Lion. I took it down because it was taking jabs at her quote unquote male voice. And I was like, okay, I don't want to do that.

[B]

Well, I mean, yeah, I mean, like.

[A]

Like, I like, I don't want. I don't want, like to like public. I don't know. I like however she feels about that. I don't want that to be.

[B]

You're being sensitive about a comment about someone's gender vocal timber that could. That. Yeah, I mean that you're being sensitive. But the man has a man's voice as a trod.

[A]

I know. And I don't want to. I don't want to. I don't want to keep grooming a well trod path. So I. Anyway, but we did. We're just saying we love Luann as well. We're just saying.

[B]

One thing I'm saying about you is you're always grooming the path of the untrodden.

[A]

I'm grooming a new path.

[B]

You're always grooming. That's what I always say about Bowen. He is always Grooming. I see him out here. Grooming.

[A]

Yes, yes, yes.

[B]

Well, I've been getting. So I remember when I told you about that allergy around my eye.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

How's it going? You know what it is? It's just that I can't use any like, makeup or anything that's like scented. I guess I have to use all clean products. I don't know when this happened. Right now I kind of like, I have to say, like, this is my office. So I'm in my New York apartment and I'm really happy where I put my desk because the light is really. I'm so satisfied to have good zoom lighting in here.

[A]

That's great.

[B]

And also, like, we used clean makeup this week for some stuff that we had to do. And I'm like, okay, thank God I'm not breaking out around my eyes because that is frustrating. When something with your skin rears its ugly head. It's. I don't think so honey coated.

[A]

Also take the fragrances out of makeup, period. Right.

[B]

Why?

[A]

I don't.

[B]

I don't.

[A]

I never got that. Unless if. Hey, if you, if you love your fragrance scented makeup, let us know. Why we would love to get some perspective on this.

[B]

What if I just started wearing white diamonds by Elizabeth Taylor?

[A]

Here we go. Talk about Elizabeth Taylor and your. Your.

[B]

Your new obsession with white diamonds and Lovers are forever. Can I tell you why it. Okay, so just to briefly touch on this. If you don't like the song Elizabeth Taylor, two things. It's fine. I. I'm not gonna get intense about it. One, I just wouldn't want you around like my kids. Like, I wouldn't trust you. Like, I think you should go. I. I think you're, You're. I wouldn't. I don't trust you. And two, you're not thinking of it as a Matt Rogers character, right? Oh, if you think of it as a me character, you're gonna think Elizabeth Taylor is one of the great songs of the American. Of the global songbook. And if we had to make the list again, it would be in the top 50. People don't understand her mind on Elizabeth Taylor. They're not understanding her mind.

[A]

Would you say that the way into the album in general is to think of her on this albums character?

[B]

Yeah, it could help. It could help. No, but here's the thing. Like, people are, I think now the dust has kind of settled about it and people can start to talk about this album like human beings. Fate of Ophelia, Elizabeth Taylor, opalite father figure. The first four tracks. That is unreal. Like, that's really good. And then I have the same complaints about eldest daughter that everyone else does. But then we're back with Ruin the Friendship. And Ruin the friendship is classic Taylor. Classic Taylor.

[A]

I. You know, I had a really crazy delayed moment with both Midnights, and now in the last couple days, evermore. You were always right. I should never doubt you. We might not be synchronized in our opinions, but I will. I will maybe meet you at some. We will intersect in them at some point. Who's to say that I won't move.

[B]

Past it just to hear you guys finally get on board with, like, a song like Maroon, which is so good.

[A]

I never said Maroon.

[B]

What song were you not feeling for Midnights? Lavender Haze.

[A]

Yeah. For some reason I never. I wrote off, Lavender Haze is, like, not one of her best openers on an album.

[B]

It's a Remy thing. You just had to grow up.

[A]

You. Wait, what. What does Remy mean?

[B]

It's a Remy Ratatouille.

[A]

I know, I know.

[B]

Used to be young and for kids. Then one day he fucked. I don't understand. Mimi at midnight. No. The production on Lavender Haze goes so hard. Anyway, it's. We're having Jake Shane on the show next week, and we did a full episode with Jake way before Life of a Showgirl had come out, so we don't even talk about it.

[A]

It's a wonderful time capsule. That's a fantastic episode. This is a fantastic episode. Anything else before we throw it over to our conversation with Demi?

[B]

Well, I love. I did want to say, speaking of the pop girls, I loved you grinding on Sabrina, and I did just want to ask you, like, for any BTs, when you. When you and Sabrina were sort of rubbing your private parts on each other all day for comedy, like, how did you break through the awkwardness of that? Was it ever awkward? Are you guys texting a lot now? Would. Are we going to see Bowen straight enact itself in real life? You and Sabrina Carpenter would be an incredible power couple. I actually think that.

[A]

Thank you. Really?

[B]

What makes you say you're like the Barry Keogan of gay guys?

[A]

You're not.

[B]

You kind of are, actually. You kind of are.

[A]

Interesting. Like, I started off doing little smaller supporting roles, and then. And then I. And then I really found, like, now.

[B]

You'Re at the Academy gala getting a vibes Oscar. Congratulations on your vibes Oscar. Thank you. That's what we're calling it.

[A]

You know, it was very Barry Keoghan of me. Was. Was. Was Mr. Elordi. And I reconnecting on the flight back to New York.

[B]

That's really good.

[A]

And so that's, that's very Barry. No, and. And now I'm running. I. I was running around my house, my apartment today, fully naked. And I did feel like Barry at the end of Saltburn, a movie that I might someday also come to really enjoy in the way that I do with Midnight.

[B]

I think Saltburn, like, looking back, I probably was too hard on that. It's. It's for. It's fun. I can't wait for Wuthering Heights.

[A]

I can't wait for Wuthering Heights. I want to say that, yes, even with Life of a Showgirl, even with a lot of recent releases or not so recent releases, like, I think there was a latent period of like, wait for this to. Wait for this to like congeal in the culture before. Like, I, I don't come out with like a rushed take anymore.

[B]

No, it's just because. Because honestly, like, everyone's so crazy when it first comes out. Like, I also just. Like I said, like I've said a million times, it's just not why music exists. So that people can raise to have a take on it. Even like the Swiftologist who I've been watching a lot of, like, because that's where I'm at.

[A]

I guess he's very smart.

[B]

He even waits like, he does his like, his like immediate reaction and then he. And it was interesting.

[A]

He waited two weeks for his showgirl.

[B]

And his ultimately his opinion is that Life of a Showgirl is mid. But. And I even think that might change. I don't think it's mid. I think there's. I think there's one song I don't like Cancel at all. I. I just, I don't like. I don't like content about cancellation. I don't like, like, I just don't like any. I don't like talking about. I don't like the word canceled. Like, I just don't think it's, it's. It's not forward thinking.

[A]

I think Taylor might be aware that this is her album that she will leave behind as the one where it was like, like that was her at our most chronically online because the rest of the world was too. Like. There's something that I think is true about her earlier work that is more timeless because it is not. It was not as online because we weren't as a culture. I think because the culture is bad, we have bad reactions to work that is about the current moment and therefore People have really strong reactions to it. And I think this album. I think this album will make sense in about a year, which I think all of the, like, every. Every, like, sticky piece of work does, like, at some, you know, after a certain latent period. What were you gonna say?

[B]

I think it does make sense already because I actually think, like, I. I think whether or not, like, you like the explanations, because she has given a couple, which you could argue, like, should you be able. Should you have to explain things for people to get them. But, like, the first verse of Eldest Daughter, she was like, no, I'm intentionally speaking in a way that people speak online because it is like me trying to fit into something that I can't. And then when the song progresses, by the time you get to the bridge, which is, like, actually a really beautiful bridge, it's actually a really good track. Five bridge, when you stack them all up together, that's actually me speaking the way I really speak because I'm not trying too hard. So basically, she's come out and said, if the first verse sounds like it's trying too hard, that's by design.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Now, people can have their opinions on that, whatever. But I do think it speaks to a larger thing about the album, which is she didn't write a million songs. She probably wrote, like, these 12, maybe a few more. And she said, you know what? I'm gonna fucking go for it, and I'm gonna be messy, and I'm gonna have people talking. And certainly there are some things in here that, like, relate to her peers. Charlie, you could argue Olivia with the father figure of it all. I. I actually think in the. In the movie that she, you know, had in theaters, like, she pretty. Directly. Not. She doesn't outright confirm that it's about.

[A]

Olivia, but she was on both sides of this dynamic.

[B]

She says she's been on both sides of the dynamic. And she also, like, goes out of her way to say we interpolated Father Figure by George Michael and the song Father Figure, and we were in communication with them the whole time, because that's what you do when you interpolate something, and it's great. And that's the right thing to do. Which to me, is directly speaking to the concerns about the Olivia Rodrigo and why Taylor, Jack, and St. Vincent have writing credit on a song like Deja Vu. So to me, it's like, not only is she. Not only is that what this song is about, but she wants people to know, which is a choice. And, like, you know, like, that certainly that's Going to be polarizing. But I think that's the point of life of a showgirl is I think she wants it to be messy. She said she welcomes the chaos everyone's takes online. So, like, I think she wanted this to be like a chaotic, messy, like, pop star showgirl era. Whether or not you think it achieved that is up to everyone's individual opinion. But. But I think the album does make sense in that way.

[A]

I don't know what her intention is with performing these songs live because she has not done live.

[B]

I have no idea. And she says she has no plans to which I don't know if I believe.

[A]

But I think there's something interesting about just letting these live on the album, on the track, and not have it. Have any sort of life beyond. But what I think is her best music video maybe ever, which is I actually, I.

[B]

And I think the song is really good. And I just think. I just think you're being disingenuous if you don't listen to the first four songs. Like, I understand as the album goes on, like, people have their differing feelings. I both agree and disagree on certain levels. But, like, she opens this album so strong. I love the Fate of Ophelia.

[A]

A lot of Gaga sounds. I'll even say took me a few listens to be like, oh, I get it.

[B]

That.

[A]

But anyway, I.

[B]

Not on mayhem, though. I. I Mayhem like we. When we. Because we did. We did our first lesson of mayhem together with Bobby. Yeah, that was the best. But that. That album straight through first time, we were like, oh, this is.

[A]

This is one of her best.

[B]

Well, that's the album of the year for sure. But you know what other album I really like which kind of came out in the midst of all the life of a showgirl stuff. Stuff is Olivia Dean's album that is.

[A]

Gonna have a really big moment. I think in all the vocal in the vocal categories will do very well at the Grammys, I think.

[B]

Oh, I think Olivia Dean, like, Man I Need deserves to be the song that takes over. Like, I think that I want to see Olivia Deen nominated for best new Artist. I want to see Olivia Dean. I would love to see that album get love. I think Man, I need it will. That could be a record of the year song of the year nomination. Like. Like a song like that. Like. Cause she wasn't. Like, she was some huge name. But I will say I remember a few years ago, maybe it was two years ago at Coachella, I was walking by the goby tent during the day and Olivia Dean was performing, and I was like, we have to stop. And she sang a song called the Hardest Thing, which I ended up streaming a ton. And there was something really special about her. So watching her get this moment. The music video for Man I Need is so. She's, like, so in her stardom. It's like. It's like a little bit more of, like, an activated Adele.

[A]

Mm. Mm.

[B]

Love her.

[A]

She will be on SNL as the musical guest right the week after nominations are announced. I think her team, her label is probably expecting a very impactful showing in the nominations. So that nominations voting or awards voting, whatever, is this is parlaying very nicely.

[B]

I might really want to go to that show. What date is that?

[A]

November 15th.

[B]

Okay. I'm at bravocon. That's gonna be a good one.

[A]

It's gonna be a good one. Wow. We covered a lot of stuff.

[B]

We did a lot. And so basically, I just wanted to get on here with Beau because I feel like I know that we're doing a lot of guest episodes, and I just wanted to touch base because so much has been happening and I want you to hear our voices. But we do have an amazing episode with Demi Lovato right now. Who is amongst the, you know, albums that we're really enjoying. Also, shout out Lola Young. And I hope she gets well because her album is fantastic too. But yeah, this episode with Demi is a lot of fun.

[A]

Enjoy.

[B]

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Like if you're looking for a vintage band tee, not just a T, the.

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[A]

You wore it everywhere. Then your boyfriend started wearing it, which.

[B]

Was cute until he dumped you and took it with him, which was not so cute, but he was. I miss him. Anyway, now you're on ebay.

[A]

And there it is. Same tea from the same tour, still living in your memory. Rent free forever.

[B]

Yeah, screw you, Dave.

[A]

The things you love have a way of finding their way back to you.

[B]

Except Dave.

[A]

But ebay isn't just forgetting whatever your ex/xbff stole back.

[B]

We miss you. It's also for that rare championship foul ball that you caught, then heroically gave to the kid next to you. You're welcome. Scoot.

[A]

And where else are you gonna find your first car? A RAV4 from 2003, the one you.

[B]

Wish you never sold but now finally got the chance to take back home.

[A]

I'm buying a car on ebay for good this time.

[B]

Shop ebay for millions of fines, each with a story. EBay. Things people love.

[A]

That's like a tagline.

[B]

You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[A]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes. Total reset.

[B]

Right? There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It just hits.

[A]

It's my little me moment. Like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[B]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke. This is my taste. Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

[A]

Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.

[B]

True. But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.

[A]

Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Ready? First cruise. Dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?

[B]

Curated dining. Next.

[A]

Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning?

[B]

Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again. I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.

[A]

Yeah, Absolutely. The cruises are kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grown up fun.

[B]

Nothing against kids. Kids are awesome. But sometimes it's nice to be kid free.

[A]

And there's so much included value. Over $1,000, right?

[B]

Over $1,000 of awesomeness. All included. Wi fi soda, top tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants and even group fitness classes. No hidden fees, no surprise charges. Virgin Voyages gives you the kind of luxury you actually deserve.

[A]

And you know what? I deserve luxury.

[B]

You do? And me too.

[A]

Yes. There's always something happening on board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages, live music, DJs, themed parties and more boredom doesn't board the ship.

[B]

And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

[A]

Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.

[B]

But it's not all go, go, go.

[A]

Right? You can totally go into relaxation mode too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.

[B]

Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship? The brilliant lady. Brilliant name by the way. She's bigger Bolder and packed with even more virgin wow factor.

[A]

Book [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor.

[B]

That's virgin. Okay, so you want your master's degree. You know you can earn it.

[A]

But life gets busy. The packed schedule, the late nights. And then there's the unexpected.

[B]

Well, American public university was built for all of it.

[A]

With monthly starts and no set login times, APU's 40/ flexible online master's programs are designed to move at the speed of life.

[B]

Start your master's journey today at Apu Apus. Edu.

[A]

You want it? Come get it at Apu.

[B]

Ding dong. Lost culture's calling. A figure of lore in the lost culture universe is here.

[A]

Truly, truly a figure of lore. She has the number one song on the Great Global Songbook, our 300 song. We've ranked the 300 best songs ever.

[B]

What do we always say? Our grandparents had summer over the rainbow. Our grandchildren will have cool for the summer. It's a rural culture somewhere.

[A]

And it's a rule culture somewhere.

[B]

Let's call it number one.

[A]

It might as well be number one. She did place in the iconic 400 list to 400 most iconic people for our 400th episode anniversary. She beat out Elmo. She beat out Martha Stewart, I believe.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

And I think she beat out Holland Taylor.

[B]

Just edged out Holland Taylor.

[A]

Just edged out.

[B]

And then Carrie Fisher was one of it was Carrie Fisher 149, Demi Lovato 150, Holland Taylor 151, and hallowed ground. I wonder if I don't. We're gonna bring our guest in in a second because her new album. Oh, it's not that deep. Like literally. It is deep to us though, because I was telling our guests we had the link to the album in P town and they just, they just told us they could see the streams of people listening to the links they sent out. And they were like, you guys were running your app. I was like, no, it was serious.

[A]

I was ashamed at first and then I immediately was like, no. Why would I be ashamed of loving songs?

[B]

Did you think they could see it?

[A]

Well, I was like, they could see it. Oh, my God. It's like when someone like can like look at your or texts. It's like vulnerable when someone can see the number of times you've played, how.

[B]

Much they're obsessed with what you've done. Probably hits different. It's honestly, it's so deserved. We've been a fan like from the jump and it's going to be a huge Demi era.

[A]

So let's Talk about it October 24th.

[B]

In just a couple days.

[A]

Please welcome to the show Demi Lovato.

[C]

Hello, hello, hello. I'm so happy to be here.

[B]

We're so happy you're here. Did you know of, like, the place you hold in our podcasts?

[C]

I do. I have heard the clips, and I've seen the support, and it just makes me feel so loved. And I was like, I have to show my love right back. So here I am, and I'm so excited.

[B]

We're so happy. Number one. So that's like, of all the songs, I guess we did that when. What was that, like, 2020?

[A]

That was like, 2021 was the great global songbook.

[B]

I don't think any song is unseat and cool for the summer at this point until now. Your album. Thank you. You're so sweet. Thank you.

[A]

The fact that you're releasing this album as, like, a fall fucking dance moment is so major because I feel like fall gets neglected and overlooked as, like, oh, yeah, do all your moody shit in the fall, but you're giving us something hyped up.

[C]

We're still going out.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Just because it's fall doesn't mean we're not going out.

[B]

No, we'll just put our cooling. Yeah, there's a code check. Yeah.

[C]

I do feel like Fast was more of a. Of a club song. And then Hear All Night is a little bit more emotional, but.

[A]

Yeah, but Hear All Night is emotional. While it's like, it's very much giving. Dancing on My Own. You're singing something really emotional and painful, but then the music and the whole. I mean, the whole aesthetic of it is like, fuck. But no, you're dancing to this song about me being fucking crashed out about my exact.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

But, like, that's like, the duality, and it is that deep sometimes.

[C]

It can be that deep for sure. But I'm just like, the album title, for me, it's not that deep. It's all about, like, I'm not taking myself too seriously as an artist anymore. Like, I'm just having fun, and I wanted a body of work that's really reflective of that, and I feel like I really accomplished it with this album.

[B]

So when you're, like, sitting down to do a new record or when you feel like it's time, were you thinking at first, like, I really want to have fun with my next project, or were you like, let's just see what happens? And it was fun. Like, what came first, the chicken or the egg?

[C]

Well, originally, I'm Such a fluid person that, like, I have. I've tried on different genres of music throughout my career. And my last album was a rock album. And so going into the. I. Going into the next album, I was like, okay, I wanna continue the rock stuff. But as I started writing the rock album, I was like, I can't really. Like, I'm running out of things to write about because I'm so happy right now. There's only so many rock songs you can make. Like, happy rock songs that you can make.

[B]

Today was good. Yeah.

[C]

And so then they all.

[B]

Today was amazing.

[C]

And that's like. That's exactly how I felt. So I was like, I need to, like, switch directions. Like, it's not resonating with me. I'm not angry anymore. I'm not in this deeply emotional place anymore like I was when I made my last album. And so I started trying on different sounds. And what landed was when I got into the studio with my producer Zone, and he had made this beat in the car in the Uber on the way to the studio and was like, yeah, I just played. I just made this track. Do you wanna hear it? And I'm like, yeah. Turned out to be fire. It turned into a song called Frequency.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. Like, you really went off on that.

[C]

Thank.

[B]

That's the one. I mean, you repeat all of them because the album hits so hard, and then you just go back and start it again. Us in P Town.

[A]

Us in P Town.

[B]

Frequency is a standout.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

You do that so well. Thanks.

[C]

And that song set the tone for the rest of the project.

[A]

So Frequency was first.

[C]

Frequency was day one. First, I would say it was when the album really took flight.

[A]

Yep.

[C]

And when we did Frequency, I was like, oh, we're onto something and I want to chase this sound. And it was new for me. It's different. It's so different than anything I've ever done before. So different. And I'm just. I'm having so much fun with it. I'm having so much fun in my life. I'm in, like, such a great place. And I wanted my album to be reflective of that. And so I made a very fun dance pop album.

[A]

I mean, at this point, I think you've earned this idea about you, which is like, Demi Lovato is like one of our great chameleons, like, musically. Right. Like, but I feel like it maybe took a while for people to realize that, because I feel like going from confident to tell me you love me was like, okay, we're like, we're really in this, like, nice, great bodied, like, R and B sound. And then you go into all the other. And then holy fuck. Is like, obviously a departure. And then now to go into this genre, I feel like it must be a little overwhelming for you because you can do it all. You can do so many things with your voice. Like what? Like, the options are kind of overwhelming, I would say, right? Like, it's good. Like, like, what makes you think, like, oh, this is what I want to chase. Beyond the fact that, like, your producer sends you this track, which he produced in his car. Don't produce and drive.

[C]

But no, no, no. He was in an Uber.

[B]

Phone was in an Uber and he.

[A]

Was at the wheel making that beat. Just say he was at the wheel.

[C]

To make it more chaotic.

[B]

You know what? Even though Uber driver gonna hear that sick track and be like, hey, what the fuck is that? And then we're gonna get an accident. Oh, no, not even in the Ubers.

[A]

What tells you, like, what is that feeling that you have as a songwriter?

[C]

What inspires me at the time is what I chase. And that's why I've fluctuated over the years with different Genyas genres. Genya.

[B]

They'Re zhannyas, baby. Get to know it.

[C]

But, like, I really chase what's inspiring me in the moment. And so when I made my rock album, I was really influenced by rock music. And at the time when I made Sorry, Not Sorry and Tell Me youe Love Me, I was really inspired by more R and B music and this project, I was really inspired by the pop girlies. And that's what I chased. And I'm really happy with it.

[A]

It's so good.

[B]

Was that like a result of seeing everyone else kind of having fun? Because last year was such a crazy moment. Like from the top to the bottom of the year, it just felt like everyone was having fun again. Like, which of your peers are you inspired by mostly? Or like, when you're going into this album?

[C]

Well, first off, I was really inspired by Ke$ha for this album.

[B]

You hear that from.

[C]

I'm such a fan of hers. But she's also like, side note. She's such an incredible human being. Like, I just. I fuck with her so much. She's so great. And she was actually the one that was like, you should get in the studio with Zone. Cause they did Joyride together and amongst other songs. But that was the one that I was like, wait, this is fire. And so she was like, you should get in the studio with Zone. So I did. And that's what ended up, you know.

[B]

You were in the zone, as it were.

[C]

And I was in the zone. Yeah, yeah.

[B]

When you're hearing a track like that, like he plays you this track, I just think if I'm Demi Lovato, I'm like, how do I figure my voice into it? Because you're so. For what you can do with your voice. And I feel like when you hear a track like that, it must be a fun challenge. And obviously you conquered it. But I guess my question is, how do you figure your voice into something like that? Because you hit the chorus and your voice is huge in the chorus and then your ad libs are sick. But I just can't imagine hearing that in the track when you first heard it.

[C]

Yeah, I definitely didn't hear a big vocal moment when I first heard the track. I heard the talking verses and the sexiness. But then as we started making it, we were like, we should chase like a kind of Britney vibe in the pre choruses. And then when it hit the chorus, one thing about me is when I'm in the studio, I'm like, where's my vocal moment?

[B]

Yeah, 100%.

[C]

I wanna have fun on the track, but where's my vocal moment? Cause that's what people know me for and that's what I have fun singing. So. So that's. Yeah, that's where it's 100%.

[A]

We're gonna take a break. I think we have a positive tea.

[B]

We have a tea flyer.

[A]

Yes, thank you.

[B]

We've flown in the tea.

[C]

And that's the tea.

[B]

And that's the tea.

[C]

That's the tea and that's the tea.

[B]

On ebay, every find has a story.

[A]

Like if you're looking for a vintage band tee.

[B]

Not just a tee. The band tee from the last show your favorite band ever played.

[A]

You wore it everywhere. Then your boyfriend started wearing was cute.

[B]

Until he dumped you and took it.

[A]

With him, which was not so cute.

[B]

But he was. I miss him. Anyway, now you're on ebay.

[A]

And there it is. Same tea from the same tour, still living in your memory. Rent free forever.

[B]

Yeah, screw you, Dave.

[A]

The things you love have a way of finding their way back to you.

[B]

Except Dave.

[A]

But ebay isn't just forgetting whatever your ex XBFF stole back.

[B]

We miss you. It's also for that rare championship foul ball that you caught, then heroically gave to the kid next to you. You're welcome. Scoot.

[A]

And where else are you gonna find your first car? A RAV4 from 2003.

[B]

The one you wish you never sold but now. Finally got the chance to take back home.

[A]

I'm buying a car on ebay. For good this time.

[B]

Shop ebay for millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love.

[A]

That's a good tagline.

[B]

You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[A]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes. Total reset.

[C]

Right?

[B]

There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It just hits.

[A]

It's my little me moment. Like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[B]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke. This is my taste. Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise?

[A]

Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.

[B]

True, but you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.

[A]

Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz. Ready? First, cruise. Dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?

[B]

Curated dining. Next.

[A]

Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore? Explore? Stunning.

[B]

Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again. I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. The cruises are kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grown up fun.

[B]

Nothing against kids. Kids are awesome. But sometimes it's nice to be kid free.

[A]

And there's so much included value. Over $1,000, right?

[B]

Over $1,000 of awesomeness. All included. Wi fi soda, top tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants and even group fitness class. No hidden fees, no surprise charges. Virgin Voyages gives you the kind of luxury you actually deserve.

[A]

And you know what? I deserve luxury.

[B]

You do? And me too. Yes.

[A]

There's always something happening on board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages. Live music, DJs, themed parties and more boredom. Doesn't board the ship.

[B]

And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

[A]

Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.

[B]

But it's not all go, go, go.

[A]

Right? You can totally go into relaxation Mode, too. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views, and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to swing.

[B]

Oh, and did I mention Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship. The Brilliant Lady. Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin wow factor.

[A]

Book [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor.

[B]

That's virgin. Okay, so you want your master's degree. You know, you can earn it.

[A]

But life gets busy. The packed schedule, the late nights. And then there's the unexpected.

[B]

Well, American Public University was built for all of it.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

You want it? Come get it at apu. What was working with our good friend, our sister Leland. Leland.

[B]

Brett McLaughlin, one of our besties.

[C]

Love Leland.

[B]

The best.

[C]

He's so talented and he's so fun. That's the thing about working with all of the songwriters on this project was we had such a great time in the studio. Every day was full of laughter. And I think that, you know, translates onto the album. Like, I mean, obviously you're not gonna listen to a song and laugh, but you can tell that we had fun making it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And Leland opened up his studio to us and Laurel Vale.

[B]

We know Laurel Vale. Yes.

[C]

Much goes down there, which I've actually, he's opened it up many times. Like, I just did a fan playback there.

[B]

I know, I recognize. Yeah, I think they're at Leland's.

[A]

That wainscoting is familiar.

[B]

He's been wanting to do that for such a long time. He's like, I want to have, like, listening parties here and, like, do the whole thing. So I'm happy it happened.

[C]

Me too.

[B]

Cozy.

[C]

It's such a cute place. But he' and I love working with him.

[B]

He does bring such a spirit of fun, I think, because he works on all these different kinds of projects in film and tv, especially with Drag Race, where it's just like he's not afraid to be whimsical and to have. Of course, it's like you're listening to it and it's like, this is serious. But then, I don't know, even the way that you deliver the verse in that song and also kiss, you have to be stepping away from the mic sometimes being like. Like, I. I'm giggling like it's you.

[A]

I was gonna say kiss your Giggling like, you might not laugh at the songs, but I feel like you. You are engineering these moments where we're listening at home going like, whoa, that was great. Like, ha ha. I'm laughing because, like, I did not expect that.

[B]

Like this.

[C]

It's such a simple lyric. I kiss for fun. It's fun to kiss.

[B]

It is, though.

[C]

And guess what? It is not that deep.

[B]

No. It's simple people that we run into out there.

[C]

And it was so fun to sing. I was having the time of my life in the studio.

[A]

I feel like you're able to make something like this. You're able to make a dancey, poppy album like this in context to other albums where you have obviously gone deep. And so therefore. But if you're staying in the depth, it's relative. Right. If you're staying in that, then it's not deep. Cause it's just on one dimension. But if you're doing something fun, it actually makes the other stuff. Stuff more meaningful in retrospect.

[B]

Right.

[A]

It makes this thing more meaningful.

[C]

Right.

[A]

You know?

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You and I share and Bowen as well. But, like, our number ones are Kelly Clarkson.

[C]

Love Kelly Clarkson.

[B]

I feel like I was like, I wonder when we asked her the culture question, like, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you if it would be Kelly?

[C]

Am I gonna say American Idol? I was gonna say American Idol.

[B]

So then consider this the question. So American Idol, like, go. How did it affect you? Like, what was it about that made you American Idol?

[C]

Made me dream. It gave me a sense of hope and possibility that if Kelly Clarkson, this girl from Burleson, Texas, could make it on American Idol and have people voting for her every week, which I was one of them.

[A]

Yep.

[B]

Same.

[C]

If she could make it, then I could. And it gave me hope. And I had so much fun watching the show. She's so talented, and she was my first idol. Yeah, I really think she was my first idol.

[A]

It meant something extra that you were also in Texas then at the time, probably. Yes. So it's completely close to home where you're literally like, oh, if she can do it, I can do it.

[C]

Yes, exactly.

[A]

And it was people like. And you were learning about music as you were watching it at home, they'd be like, this is like, this week, we're singing all songs from Gladys Knight and the Pips. And then, like, you learn about this.

[C]

I learned about Gladys Knight through Kelly Clarkson on American Idol. God, I think it must be so hard to be on one of those singing competition shows where you have to learn a new song every week.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Like, it must be so challenging. But she did that. Like, she really did that. And I'm sure most of the songs that she sang, she already knew, or at least it felt that way. And I just think she's amazing.

[A]

Were you, like, writing your own songs? Cause, like, I think what kind of gets not lost, But I feel like what people don't realize is that, like, you were writing your own CDs. You were, like, selling them in your neighborhood when you were growing up.

[B]

I was.

[C]

You know that.

[B]

Yeah. We do a little bit of research here on lost culture.

[C]

Oh, that's so cute. I love that.

[A]

It was in Child Star. It was in your movie you directed.

[B]

You're right.

[A]

You're right.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

It was, like, so charming. It was, like, the whole family talking about, like, yeah, Demi would, like, sell her CD for $10. And, like, I would.

[C]

I'd go around the neighborhood and I'd sell my CDs in order to, like.

[A]

Pay for vocal lessons.

[C]

Pay for vocal lessons, but also pay for the beauty pageants I was in. Cause those were not cheap, right?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And God did that. But I worked, really. I've been working hard for a really long time, even as a kid.

[B]

Yeah. Yeah. I think that's why it's so great to see you. So much fun with this and doing something that's clearly, like. I don't know. I bet you can look back to when you started out on Disney Channel or whatever, and you. If you. Sometimes I w. I wish I could, like, reach back to my younger self and is like, check out this thing you did from now. You're like, oh, I'm having fun in the future.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, thank God.

[C]

Yeah. I mean, I think that it's a combination of things. I think it's the place where I'm at in my life today. It's also the team I have around me, the team that I have. It never feels like work. I did probably 11 interviews today, and it didn't feel like work, because in between interviews, I'm joking and I'm laughing with my team, who's so supportive, and they're fans of the work that I'm creating. So it just feels so fulfilling. And, yeah, I was gonna ask, and.

[A]

I texted him this morning. I was like, do you think it's okay if I asked Emmy about what it's like working with you? Like, Brandon Creed?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Cause I've gotten to know him through just hanging out with Ari or hanging out with Charlie or something. He's Just like I think he is. And whether or not I asked him, because I was like, I don't know if you feel okay being a discussion point, but I feel like he is obviously getting his shine as a manager, but I feel like he's doing something really special and focused with all of his clients. I wanted to ask what your relationship is with him, because it feels like you guys are unlocking something together that is so authentic, but joyful, but cool, but, like, all of these things and still you. And still you.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

I think what's so great about working with Brandon is not only is he such an incredible manager, he's killing it right now. Look at his roster. I mean, like, every day he's posting something new from one of his artists, and I'm like, yes, that's my manager.

[B]

Go.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

But also working with him, he's given me so much insight and, like, he's so brilliant. And so, you know, he has led me in the right directions and he's set me up with the right people who have helped me create such an incredible rollout for this project that feels different, more different than anything I've ever created, and I really have him to credit for that.

[B]

Yeah. The album cover was something I wasn't expecting. Cause it's you, like, a little bit distant, surrounded. And I'm just thinking about, like, how it's a perfect album cover because it's like the center is, like, unmistakably you, but there is a community there.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

You know what I mean? Like, can you talk about the album art?

[C]

Yes. So the album art, it was shot by Daniel Sachin, and it was actually we shot it on the day that I shot the fast music video.

[A]

Sick.

[B]

Oh, by the way, love, thank you. You staying so galvanized through the destruction.

[C]

Thank you. Well, we wanted to capture that on the album cover too. So there's all this chaos around me. And it's no secret that I live this very public life. I'm on display 24 7. And, you know, I'm naked on the album cover holding a dry cleaning bag. And so it's showing me in a very vulnerable state, but, like, unfazed by the chaos. And something also that's really nice is that there's the we heart our customers on the dry cleaning bag. It's like, that's an ode to my fans. This album is for my fans. We heart our customers. We. We heart our levotics.

[B]

We heart our customers. Title of our.

[C]

And then lastly, if there's one thing about me, if There is a photo. I will lock the fuck in, and that's what I'm doing.

[B]

You're locking in.

[C]

I locked in on that.

[B]

Are we smiling or serving? The famous.

[C]

Are we smiling or serving? We're always serving.

[B]

Do you ask yourself that in the beginning of the day for you? Like, sometimes I. I wonder, like, you know, how early does it start?

[C]

It depends on how early the photographs are being taken, period. If there is a picture outside of my bedroom when I first wake up in the morning, I will serve.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yeah, it doesn't matter.

[C]

You know what I think is, like, glam or not.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Glam or not. A little known fact that I was so gagged by when I was in high school was I was obsessed with Desperate Housewives. And that's your little sister?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Madison.

[A]

Who?

[B]

What little Solis.

[A]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Juanita. Gabby's daughter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my little sister, Juanita Solis.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

That is amazing.

[B]

Yeah. The fact that she'd be known in culture, I think, like, that's like Demi's sister. Yes.

[A]

Oh, my God. Mad.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

So cute. This is showbiz royalty, this family. Damn. Thank you.

[B]

Yeah, it's true. So, like, when you. When you were, like, growing up and, like, you see her on a huge show, were you protective or were you supportive or as, like, a mixture of both?

[C]

I think at the time, I wish I had been a little bit more protective, to be honest, because that role was, I think, really challenging for her at such a young age. And I think I had been distracted by my own stuff going on, unfortunately. And so I live with some regret in that aspect. But also, there's only so much you can do as a 15, 16, 17 year old.

[A]

Right.

[B]

You're not, like a hardened veteran of the business. You're, like, starting out in your own world.

[C]

I was starting out too, and my family and I were new to this industry, and we just happened to both get opportunities that were really big for the both of us at the same time, which happened to move us all out to la. And, yeah, I think I do have a little bit of regret because I think it was a difficult role for her. You know, there was a lot of scrutiny in the show about her body, and I hate that. But I think, you know, she's so strong and she's so amazing that she turned out so great. And, you know, I'm so proud of her. She did incredible work on that show.

[B]

Yeah, she was very, very memorable on it. We all remember, like, the things that Gabby and Juanita would get into. She was extremely talented. Like, she very galvanized in the scene.

[A]

And they were very good together.

[B]

Yeah, they were. You bought the relationship, Eva.

[A]

But I feel like it's this saying where I hope you don't carry that regret too heavily, because it's like. It's like the airplane mask rule. It's like you have to take care of yourself before you take care of someone.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think I have, like, an interesting perspective on it today. Like, we talked about it in my child star documentary, and she opened up and was vulnerable with me then. And I think that in that moment, that's when I realized the effect that the show had on her.

[B]

Right.

[C]

And. And so. But I've always been protective over her. She's my baby sister and she always will be.

[A]

Yeah. I mean, just to speak on the documentary of it all, like, not even just child star, but I feel like the fact that you have gone through all of this just development on yourself is so amazing because you are one of the only pop girlies who, like, is honest. You're willing to go there. Like, you've done the work of, like, self examining. And not a lot of people do that publicly. And like, whenever people document, like, my struggles, I'm like, oh, wait, this is a little too much. Not even. That doesn't even compare to you. But I'm just like, this is a weird feeling. And I feel like the fact that you've been so brave in doing those things is, like, Is incredible. That's why people root for you.

[C]

Thank you. Honestly, I had a decision that had to be made. When I had gone to treatment for the first time, I had this very public outburst. And when I was 18, which I talk about in some of my documentaries, but, God, there's so many.

[A]

They're all amazing.

[B]

I always love watching them.

[A]

We watched the first one together.

[B]

Yes. It's because of this very thing. It's because there is no bullshit with you.

[C]

Right. And in that moment, my manager at the time asked me, like, do you want to be public with what you're going through, or do you want to sweep it under the rug and not talk about it? Which you have a right to both. You don't owe anybody anything. But I was like, I didn't have a role model at 13 that was speaking up about eating disorders. And I was like, I need to be that role model for someone else. Like, it was this responsibility that I was willing to take on because I wish that I could have had that growing up. Like, there were Older actresses that had come out and talked about having an eating disorder, but nobody that I could relate to at 13, especially at the time when the beauty standards were very, very dangerous. And so I wanted to be that for other people. And that's kind of the catalyst for why I've been open about all of my struggles is in that moment when I made that decision, it set the tone for the rest of my life of, like, you know, I want to help people, and the best way that I know how is sharing my personal experience with them.

[B]

Yeah, I feel like also, too, when you talk earlier about, like, I sat down and, like, I couldn't even write angry or sad songs if I tried. Like, this is the way I'm feeling. I'm feeling happy. You can even hear in your voice, like, just the way you choose which notes. It's, like, incredibly emotional and, like, also very characterized. Like, you can't lie in your music. It feels like. And the. One of my favorite songs is in my head on the new album. I can do everything I want, like, just melodic.

[C]

My husband wrote that song.

[B]

Well, yes, he did. Brilliant. Because it's like, it's this incredibly honest thing. And also the way you've chosen the melody, I could do anything on that. It's almost like you're arguing or someone or kind of rationalizing. And it's in the melody line in a way that feels so honest. And then on Tell Me youe Love Me, which is, I think, my favorite album of yours. Besides this, like, the way you choose when to be powerful, when to descend, when to have a moment that trails off, it's just. It's all really rooted. And I can tell, like, you listening to, like, the best singers, the most honest, emotional singers. And so I think you didn't really have a choice but to be honest, because it's in your art.

[C]

I grew up singing to very soulful singers. I grew up singing to Aretha and Whitney and Christina and Kelly. And they all had soul in their voice. And that's what drew me in as a child was like, oh, there's, like, depth there. And I don't even think I was conscious of it, but there was just something that made me feel what they were singing about so deeply that I was like, that's just what I want to like. That's the kind of vocalist I want to be.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Do you have, like, an unsung hero, American Idol contestant, like, someone from way back that you're like, oh, this person was somewhat like. Cause Kelly, obviously, famously. But I Always look back and, like, it's so crazy what'll just jump out of my mind from that age when you remembered everything. But, like, Trinise, season two. Kimberly Locke from season two. Like, so.

[C]

Oh, my God. Kimberly Locke.

[B]

Remember eighth Royal Wonder? That bop?

[C]

No.

[B]

Oh, my gosh. She released a single afterward and actually is a bop. We performed it at our culture awards two years ago.

[C]

Oh, my God. Amazing.

[A]

The year after, we did cool for the summer at our.

[B]

Yeah, exactly.

[A]

Besides the point. Okay, but what were you gonna say, Kimberly Law?

[C]

I wasn't like, it was really season one that did it for me. After season one, I was like, okay.

[B]

It'S now I'm doing it. No, I was still young.

[C]

I still watched, but it just didn't have the choke hold on me that Kelly's season had. But they were incredible vocalists on all of those seasons. And there still are.

[B]

Yeah, that's the thing is, like, you check back in and now there's so many of them. We take it for granted. But. But, like, America's Got Talent has incredible people that come through the voice. Obviously, sometimes I put on the voice and I'm like, these. I can't believe this is even a live vocal. In this blind audition, you know who.

[C]

Has one of the best vocalists or one of the best vocals from American Idol, period. Who is Adam Lambert.

[B]

Oh, period.

[C]

He's not an unsung hero. He's a hero. But, like, his voice is just insane.

[B]

Yeah, he is one that. He's also one of the most expressive, and he never even shied away from being camp. I remember one time he's been feeling good in a white suit and he, like, descended the stairs and he was so, like, he wasn't, like, out gay at the time. Cause it was still weird at the time in the public, but he was announcing himself so much. And I remember the next day I went into school and some girls were talking about American Idol, and I kind of, like, you know, shuffled over and a couple of them were like, yeah, my mom didn't want to vote for him anymore after. And I was like, wow, how far we've come that, like, so many artists can express themselves, like, however they want. Because he was on the biggest show in the world at that time with that crazy, expressive voice. So emotional. And he also was himself.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

And made it really far away from the get go. Exactly.

[C]

Always himself.

[B]

Didn't win. And I wonder, would he have won five years ago today? Who knows? Like, maybe.

[C]

Yeah, maybe he was that brilliant. No, his voice is just. It's unbelievable.

[A]

Yeah. I was asking about the. Well, I brought up the CDs earlier because there was a moment in Child Star that really gave me pause where you were talking about playing these songs that you'd written for execs and they were like, not what we're into. And that kind of was, let's put you up with these producers and songwriters, which you did with aplomb. You succeeded in that regard of working with others as a collaborator. Great skill to have, but. But that it chipped away this confidence that you had.

[C]

The confidence that I had went out the window for a period of time. And even today, sometimes I'll go into the studio and I'm like, is this a good idea? Or like. And I rely on my co writers a lot to say, like, you know, do we need to fix this lyric or is it good? And they give me their opinions. Which is why I love co writing. Like, I love the collaboration of like having the input of other people and having their brilliant ideas come to the surface. Because I really think if you want to create the best body of work that you possibly can, like, it's good to have feedback. But When I was 15, I went and played my demo basically for my manager at the time. And it was really unfortunate because he wasn't mean about it. There wasn't a positive reception on what I was writing. I was like, oh, okay, but let's get you in the studio. And I was like, ugh. I used to be the type of artist that would sing and like play my guitar and sing until six in the morning. Like my dad would be getting up, getting ready for work and would be like, demi, go to bed, stop singing. And I would just be in my room and I'd be like, you know, a little manic.

[A]

But no, you were in a fire state. You were creative.

[C]

Exactly. And. And I stopped doing it at that age and I started second guessing myself. And I think it's something that has. Because that happened at such a young age, it's still embedded in me a little bit. Like there is some self doubt when it comes to my songwriting, not my vocals. I know I'm that bitch with my vocals, but like, you know, with the songwriting, it definitely put self doubt in my head, which was kind of sad.

[A]

That is devastating to hear because it is something that like, I don't know, we relate to this on like a performance, like comedy level. Obviously. Yes. And like, it's just this thing that like. And like, if you've read the artist's way, like she talks all about, like, those first people who, like, snuff out that thing in. You are devastating, and it's gonna take you a long time to get over it. But I feel like I bring this up, too, because Brad Leland was telling us, like, oh, Demi comes into the studio, and she's a fucking beast.

[B]

Aww.

[A]

And she knows what she wants. She knows how to construct a song. She knows how to songwrite.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And I hope that in making this album, you've kind of healed that.

[C]

I was gonna say that this album was really healing for that part of myself, because there were days when I was in the studio and I came up with the hook or I came up with this and the concept of the song, and I really do have a vision, and I had a vision with this album, but there were also days where I'd come into the studio and be like, I have no idea what to write about today. Let's just wing it. And we come up with something great and, like, frequency. That wasn't, like, a concept that I came into the studio with of, like, we need to write a song about this. It was just the. I matched the vibes of the track with the lyrics, and we came up with something great. So, yeah, I think it has been healing for me as, like, recognizing my worth as a songwriter has shown through on this project.

[A]

Love it.

[B]

What about live? Are we hitting the road? You don't have to reveal, but you could.

[C]

There is nothing set in stone right this second, but there's definitely plans.

[B]

You have to. We were talking earlier. We were listening to it for the millionth time, and people that were hearing it for the first time were like, when is it going on tour? It's like one of those. Yeah, thanks. It does feel a lot like. I remember we saw the Sweat tour at Madison Square Garden, and it felt like the place was gonna flip over, and I was like, music like this, that's, like, this type of sound and that type of space, you just can't rec.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Like, especially when you can, like, attach an amazing hook to it, like you have, and it's gonna be really sick live.

[C]

I haven't toured in three years, so it's time, and I definitely want to. I miss seeing the reactions of my fans face it on their faces when I play their favorite songs and the emotions that they, you know, convey when they're sitting in the. When they're standing in the audience and. And I sang Skyscraper and the tears flowing down their faces. Like, I really do miss that connection.

[B]

Yeah. You know, I'VE done so many hits. Do you have one? Do you have one where you're like, okay, this one. Here we go. And then by the end, you're like, yeah, that one.

[C]

It used to be give your heart a break.

[B]

Oh.

[C]

When I got back on stage, I started playing it again for the first time. I would say, like, a couple years ago. I hadn't played it in so long because I was just like, I'm tired of this song. Sure, you're allowed, and you're allowed to change your live show and play songs that you want to and take out songs that you don't. But when I performed that for the first time in years, the reaction was so great that I was like, wait, I love this.

[B]

Yeah. You forget what it felt like. Cause then the element of, like, surprise and nostalgia kicks in, and you're like, oh, my God. I remember all the words to. Brings you back to a time when you were like, you know?

[C]

And it's a crowd favorite, so I love seeing their reaction, too.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

I mean, what do you think you're channeling while you sing? Let's just talk about the vocals. Like, do you feel something pass through you? I love it when, like. And it doesn't have to be true, but I love it when certain singers and vocalists are like, oh, no. I'm like, I'm connecting with something higher, lower, whatever. Or I'm, like, playing a character. Like, is there anything qualitatively true about this?

[C]

When I'm in my flow state? Absolutely. There's something that comes over me and comes up with ad libs and new high notes that I didn't think about before when I recorded the album that I can't explain. But a lot of times I get into my head when I'm performing because I am such a perfectionist. So if I'm out of my head, absolutely. But when I'm in my head, I'm not channeling.

[A]

It's so hard.

[C]

It's so hard.

[A]

Like, is there a way to translate that to, like, the songwriting experience, which sounds like there was, like, you were, like, in these flow states in the studio, coming up with the hooks.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

But it's just a thing you can't force, which is kind of a sucky thing. But, like, the flow state is, like, the number one, like, thing that human beings chase the most across all cultures. It's like this feeling of, like, losing track of time.

[C]

It reminds me of the movie soul.

[A]

Oh, yeah.

[C]

You know, like, that's what I chase with music. And the second that it stops feeling like the movie soul. I have to put a pause on it. You know what I mean? I have to reconnect with the music.

[A]

That is an amazing movie, though. That is about that exact thing.

[C]

Yeah, I love that movie.

[A]

Just about how music just kind of like, is this, like. Is like the way that, like, our lives kind of, like, get constructed or like, they frame our lives in a certain way, you know?

[B]

It's the most incredible thing that human beings are capable of doing and sharing, I think. Is music like the way that you can just, like. Not to be Ernest McGee over here, but, like, it's true. Like, the way that. I mean, it really can change things.

[C]

It transcends lyrics or language. It transcends language. Like, you don't. I could be listening to a song that's in a different language, but I can. It'll make me weep if it's the right chords and the right emotion behind it. You know what I'm saying? And it's so beautiful how universal it is.

[B]

You have this moment on Let yout Go, which is the synth after at the end of the chorus, and I'm just like. Again, we were vibing in P Town. Like, I'm on the deck. Like, I have my shades not on. Like, those. I have. Remember those Oakleys. I was kind of feeling my, like, Demi Zhuzh. And then just that synth, I was like, that is really special.

[C]

It's good.

[B]

Who found that? Zone. Yeah, that's zone. Zone.

[C]

Zone is brilliant.

[B]

Do you ever come. Been, like, singing things and hearing things that, you know, aren't gonna be vocal?

[C]

Absolutely. Sometimes I'll. I have my. My voice notes on my phone are just like. There's gotta be a thousand of them. And sometimes it's just like.

[B]

Yeah, yeah.

[C]

You know, and like, that'll turn into a synth or it'll turn into a song. Like, I'm not sure what it. But, like, sometimes I'll just come up with something like that and it'll be on a voice note in my phone.

[B]

It just felt so intentional, that part of the song. It feels like. It feels like one of those lines that you. That you really remember. It feels very classic. Good. You know what I mean?

[C]

That makes me happy.

[B]

And there is something a little bit retro about the way that synth sounds too. That sort of.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[A]

Did you say you had listening parties at. You've already had some of the fan experiences?

[C]

Yes, I've had two fan playbacks.

[A]

How were they?

[C]

God, it was so much fun. It was so fun to see My fans, like, they got up and did danced, you know, on Kiss, on Hear, all Night, on Fast, and then they really, like, took in the other songs. And watching them take it in was, you know, it was really impactful for me because I made these songs from such a vulnerable place. And here they are connecting with them, and it's resonating with them. Like, it makes it all worth it. Being that vulnerable in front of of all these people, it just makes it worth it. And, yeah, seeing their emotional reaction to it was awesome. But also seeing them have so much fun was also amazing.

[A]

I wonder who it's more rewarding for. Not that it is more rewarding for one particular group, but it's just as rewarding for you and Zone and Leland and everyone who's worked on the Self to see how people. Like, this is your first test audience, really? It's the first time you're seeing people respond to it.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And it is telling you it's a lot of information for you.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

And so it's valuable for you, it's valuable for them.

[C]

It's valuable for me because I get to see, like, what are the fan favorites? What are the ones that they're gonna go crazy for at the show that I need to do something a little extra for? Or is there a song that I wanna put out as a single because it's in demand with the fans? You know what I mean? It's like, that information is very valuable to me as an artist.

[B]

I thought to be like, the tell me you love me Stan here. But that album is, again, up until now, my favorite. You and Jesse Williams in the video for tell me you love me. Oh, my God. Can I say you were acting down and you forget your background in that, like.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

On camera, acting like you really could have, like, more presence in it than you do. Is that something that interests you?

[C]

Because I'm, like, so insecure as an actress.

[A]

Really?

[B]

You couldn't tell because you were really great and dropped in. In there.

[C]

Thank you. I feel like I took a break for so long from acting that I'm, like, scared to get back into it. And I've had offers and I have acted. I did a independent film called toe last year or. Yeah, last year. And then it came out at Tribeca Film Festival this year. And it was fun. It was like I dipped my toes. It was a small role. I dipped my toes back into acting, and I had a lot of fun with it. And it was something that I think I wanna Do. But I just have to. I don't know. I feel like I need to do acting lessons or something.

[A]

It's the perfectionist thing again.

[B]

Yes. Yeah.

[A]

Are you. What's your sign?

[C]

I'm a Leo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Okay.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

Are Leos perfectionists? I know nothing about it.

[B]

I don't know about them as perfectionists.

[A]

I was gonna say it feels like a Leo or like a Virgo, Jason or Leo thing.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Do you have Virgo in your chart somewhere? I feel like this is just.

[C]

I did my chart one time and then forgot it.

[A]

No problem.

[B]

Mine was easy to remember. Well, we're Pisces Scorpio, which is, like, easy for us to remember because they're so common. I know.

[C]

I'm a double Leo.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

So that's a lot of Leo.

[C]

That's a lot of Leo. I got a lion on my hand.

[B]

Oh, look at that. That's really beautiful.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

Do you have a lot of tattoos?

[C]

I do, yeah.

[A]

What's the mystery?

[B]

I do, I do, I do.

[C]

It was. I feel like I went so hard on tattoos at such a young age, but I'm like. I wish I had been more selective with my tattoos, but there are ones that I really love. My most recent one was this, says, I love you more. It's my mom's handwriting.

[B]

Oh, my God. My mom and I say the same thing. Oh, cute. I love you more, Elliot.

[C]

It's so funny. My mom and I will be on the phone and, like, we'll go to hang up, and right before someone hangs up, she'll go, I love you more, and then hangs up.

[B]

It's like we have to say goodbye. We have the acronym L U L U M and I say, lmm. Love my mom. Oh, my God. And it's almost like a conversation can't really be over unless. Unless that's been typed.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

You know what I mean?

[B]

You gotta button in with our thing.

[C]

We're so close, my mom and I. I'm so close with my mom. She's such an angel. So, yeah, I got that tattooed, and that was my most recent one.

[A]

Cause I feel like your husband. Your husband is tatted out.

[C]

Oh, he is tatted the fuck out.

[A]

So that's fine. It's not like you have to, like, compare it to someone.

[C]

No, it's just like, had I had a little bit. I wish I had thought more about it rather than getting all these impulsive tattoos that I did know.

[B]

Do you have any tattoos? Well, maybe you won't want to share this, but are there any Tattoos that, like, whenever you look at it, you're like, ugh, it's a person.

[C]

I have one.

[B]

Yeah. You're like, that's never gonna not remind me.

[C]

I know I have one that's, like that. And it is what it is.

[A]

It is what it is.

[B]

And honestly, it's almost kind of nice because I. I remember I only have three small ones, but in preparing to get them, I probably. You two as well, kind of like, okay, you're gonna look at this forever. Like, are you gonna regret it? It's weird. Like, even the ones you regret, you think warmly about the time that you got.

[C]

Yeah. Like, it was still a cool story behind the tattoo that I got, but do I wish I didn't get a matching tattoo with someone? Yes.

[B]

You have to be sure about matching tattoos. It's rule of culture number 20. No, I think you have to be.

[A]

Sure about matching tattoos, but I think.

[C]

You don't do it. I think it's, like, cursed.

[B]

Yeah. The idea of matching tattoos being cursed.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

I don't.

[C]

I don't like matching tattoos. It's just, like. I don't know.

[B]

Cause it binds you to someone. It's almost like a contract or between.

[C]

No, it's just like, I just feel like every time I've, like, I've gotten two matching tattoos, and it just didn't end up well. So, like, rule of thumb. And then I've had, like, ex boyfriends get my name on them, and that didn't work out.

[A]

Oh, it never works.

[C]

And so I just feel like, rule of thumb. Like, it's just not a good idea.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

I think. Yeah, they make it a lot.

[B]

We've been talking about getting a matching one.

[A]

Right. You're saying we shouldn't?

[C]

I don't know. Maybe you do, like, a variation. Like, me and Matthew Scott. If me and Matthew Scott. My best friend.

[B]

Best friend. Yeah.

[C]

Who you guys know and adore.

[B]

And we're hoping Matthew closing the circle.

[C]

If we were to get a matching tattoo. Like, we've talked about getting a little bat or something for Halloween. Like, if he got a bat, I would get a pumpkin.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, something a little like a variation where it's not like. So.

[A]

Exactly.

[B]

He really is your ride or die. I feel like he's been in every era.

[C]

Every era?

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

We are so close. I am obsessed with him. I don't know what I would do without him. He's my heart and soul.

[B]

You need that person too. It's just that you can be Truly honest with.

[C]

Yes.

[B]

We need to step away for a second. Even in a small community of people that I do trust, you need your.

[C]

He is my person that, like, before Jordan and I got together, I would call in the middle of the night and be like, hey, I'm lonely. And, like, you don't have to say anything back, but I just need to express, like, how sad I am right now. And he would be there for me in the middle of the night and be like, let's talk about it. And, like, that's the kind of friendship that everyone needs.

[A]

I think you are so incredibly lucky to even have that thing, because there. It's not that I don't even love my sister, but it's like, I'm like, I'm not gonna bother Matt with this. Like. Like, we've all had these lonely moments at night where I'm like, oh, you can. I know.

[B]

I know.

[A]

But it's like, careful what you wish for, girl.

[B]

I'm wishing. Oh, my sister. Oh, I love that.

[A]

But it's like, that's a really hard thing to find.

[B]

He's just mad because I used to call him years ago when I used to wait tables and I would get off my shift and we'd have a couple drinks after work, and I'd call him to call me an Uber because I wouldn't download it on my phone. I didn't think it could download. So whenever he thinks of me and the concept of calling late at night, he's like, oh, he needs an Uber home.

[C]

He needs an Uber.

[B]

Meanwhile, that was a decade ago, and I'm much more together now. We've all grown up.

[A]

We're past it.

[C]

I have a lot of amazing friends in my life, but I have this core group of best friends. And, I mean, I could list them off, but they're just like, I had so many bridesmaids in my wedding because I had. I have so many close, close, close best friends. And that support is just, like, what gets me through life. Like, I just. I love my friends so much.

[A]

That wedding was fucking chic.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

He looked amazing. Thank you so much. Jordan looks amazing.

[C]

Oh, my God. Didn't he look so handsome?

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

You got a good one.

[C]

I do.

[B]

And look at how you, like, emanate. Oh, thank you. When you talk about him, well, you've always had one of the best. I'll never forget when I first saw you, my first thought was like, oh, my God, that girl's smile is incredible.

[C]

I used to be really insecure about my smile. I used to joke that it eats my face. Cause it's so big, and it, like, just, like, takes over.

[B]

No, it's like, it's such a. It's like, you really carry the light when you smile. You really do.

[C]

I've learned to appreciate my smile because there were times where I wasn't smiling, and that was sad. And now I'm like, you know, we.

[B]

Love you serving too. So it's hard because it's like, do you tell them?

[C]

That's what I was talking about. But I appreciate that too.

[B]

Yeah. I mean, that's. That's. I guess what's so great about, like, the phase of your career that you're in and what other people like, other people that we've all watched for now going on, like, 20 years. And because we're, like, a little bit older than you, but still, like, that was like, our generation of. Of, like, you know, person we watched on TV and then transitioned into this new stage of the career. And I think, like, we do, like, as fans of yours, share, like, a knowledge of everything you've been through. And that's why it's like, to see you having fun is like, a huge gift, because I always remember that girl I first saw smiling. And so, like, it's just great to see you smile again about your husband and about this project.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Because.

[B]

Because when I think of you, I think of a huge, like, smile that comes through.

[A]

Thank you.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

The best.

[C]

That's so sweet. Thank you so much.

[A]

We love you.

[C]

We're love you too.

[A]

This is a Lovatic podcast.

[B]

This has been a levotic. Wait, how do you feel about Lovotic? Because Ari is on record feeling Arianator is not something she decided.

[C]

I didn't decide Lovatik.

[B]

Well, of course.

[C]

And I was like, where did that come from? It was kind of confusing to me. I was like, are you an addict or are you, like, an alcoholic? Yeah, I don't.

[B]

It's some sort of a possession.

[C]

Embraced it, and I've learned to love it.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

But at first I was like, huh? It was also the beginning of, like, fan Stan names.

[A]

Yeah.

[B]

Kind of. Right.

[C]

When everyone came up with it, I was like. I think I was like. I was in treatment. And they were like, yeah, your fans are calling you levotics now.

[B]

And I was like, wait, are they reading me?

[C]

Are they reading?

[B]

Yeah, exactly. Is this coming from a nasty place? Because it's not the right place.

[C]

It's not the right time. But I came out and everyone had, like, a stand name and I was assigned one, and I was like, I'll take it.

[B]

Whatever. Do you remember Kelly's a celebrity.

[C]

No.

[B]

Celebrity. It was terrible.

[A]

What?

[B]

So this is how you know that, like, I was in deep. Because one day, like, message boards. On the Kelly Clarkson message boards. Yes. I was a little gay child. Hi. Hi. My name is Matt. But. But they were like, we're celebrities. This is the celebrity group. And even me at the time, who would have done anything, I was just like, I don't like this, and it's not gonna hold up.

[C]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[B]

But Lovotic we can make peace with.

[C]

I mean, is there really a good fan base?

[B]

The Navy is really chic.

[C]

The Navy is monsters. That's good. Yeah. Little monsters.

[A]

You should put it to a vote.

[B]

You should.

[A]

For now, they're called Levotics. But, like, everybody, like, well, I don't know, you guys, I'm gonna give you options, and then you guys come up with. You have to vote on the right one. You know what I mean?

[C]

I don'. It would make a lot of people upset.

[B]

Yeah, like, listen, we adjusted to the name Levotic years ago. We did. That's what everyone reveals. No one wanted to do it. Like, what do you mean? No one said anything. We could have been called the. The. I don't know, what's a Navy thing? The force.

[A]

The force. We keep adding. We keep adding.

[B]

I'm, like, going too hard on military names. Sorry, everybody. You don't have to be marines to, like, dissolve them. You can be Levotics on ebay. Every find has a story.

[A]

Like, if you're looking for a vintage band tea.

[B]

Not just a T. The band tee from the last show your favorite band ever played.

[A]

You wore it everywhere. Then your boyfriend started wearing it, which.

[B]

Was cute, until he dumped you and took it with him, which was not so cute, but he was. I miss him. Anyway, now you're on ebay.

[A]

And there it is. Same tee from the same tour, still living in your memory. Rent free forever.

[B]

Yeah, screw you, Dave.

[A]

The things you love have a way of finding their way back to you.

[B]

Except Dave.

[A]

But ebay isn't just for getting whatever your ex, ex BFF stole back.

[B]

We miss you. It's also for that rare championship foul ball that you caught, then heroically gave to the kid next to you. You're welcome. Scoot.

[A]

And where else are you gonna find your first car? A RAV4 from 2003.

[B]

The one you wish you never sold, but now finally got the chance to take back home.

[A]

I'm buying a Car on ebay for good this time.

[B]

Shop ebay for millions of finds, each with a story. EBay. Things people love.

[A]

That's like a tagline.

[B]

You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[A]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes. Total reset. Right?

[B]

There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It's. It just hits.

[A]

It's my little me moment. Like make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[B]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke. This is my taste. Two questions. What are you doing right now? And why aren't you on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean Cruise?

[A]

Well, obviously you were listening to us. Smart use of your time.

[B]

True. But you could also be on a Virgin Voyages Caribbean cruise at the same time. That's just brilliant time management.

[A]

Very true. This gives me an idea. Let's do a quick cruise quiz.

[B]

Ready?

[A]

First cruise. Dining. Do you prefer a buffet or a curated dining experience with access to 20 distinct restaurants?

[B]

Curated dining. Next.

[A]

Okay, good choice. That's what Virgin Voyages offers. Second question. Would you rather have an overstuffed itinerary or the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean?

[B]

Oh, I want the freedom to explore stunning Caribbean destinations. Again. I think I see where this quiz is going. Virgin Voyages is amazing.

[A]

Yeah, absolutely. The cruises are kid free. From sunrise yoga to late night cocktails, every moment is made for grown up fun.

[B]

Nothing against kids. Kids are awesome. But sometimes it's nice to be kid free.

[A]

And there's so much included value. Over $1,000.

[B]

Over $1,000 of awesomeness. All included. Wi Fi soda, top tier entertainment, over 20 restaurants and even group fitness classes. No hidden fees, no surprise charges. Virgin Voyages gives you the kind of luxury you actually deserve.

[A]

And you know what? I deserve luxury. You do?

[B]

And me too. Yes.

[A]

There's always something happening on my board. From wellness focused sailings to epic holiday voyages. Live music, DJs, themed parties and more boredom. Doesn't board the ship.

[B]

And there are so many amazing stops. You leave from Miami and sail to places like Grand Cayman, Jamaica, Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic. Virgin even has their own private beach club in Bimini. And they're adding stops in 2025 and 2026.

[A]

Yeah, like Aruba, St. Lucia and Curacao.

[B]

But it's not all go, go, go.

[A]

Right? You can totally go into relaxation mode. Your cabin is a full on sanctuary, private terrace, ocean views and their signature red hammock just waiting for you to Swing.

[B]

Oh, and did I mention? Virgin Voyages is launching a new ship. The Brilliant lady. Brilliant name, by the way. She's bigger, bolder, and packed with even more Virgin wow factor.

[A]

Book [e-mail] or contact your travel advisor.

[B]

That's virginvoyages.com. okay, so you want your master's degree. You know, you can earn it.

[A]

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[B]

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[A]

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[B]

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[A]

You want it? Come get it at apu.

[B]

Okay, well, I think it might be time for. Speaking of tea. Speaking of tea. And you're gonna need it because we're gonna transition into. I don't think so, honey. This is our 60 second segment on this podcast where we take something in college that bugs us, that bothers us and more, and we absolutely let it rip. I have something. It's the season, and I'm starting to see something pop up again, and I want to put it to bed right now.

[A]

Okay, you have your phone on you, so I think you should time. I'll time you.

[B]

Okay, so this is. Well, you say the key.

[A]

Yeah, this is Matt Rogers. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[B]

I don't think so, honey. Anyone making fun of me for pumpkin spice?

[A]

Oh, come on.

[B]

You're 10 years late on this read. Okay, Basic girls drink pumpkin spice thing happened already. Now you sound basic. I am still, still queer. I'm still the one. I've always been a pumpkin spice person. And yes, I do get it in a frap. And I know that makes it more basic, but I don't think so, honey. Your comments penetrating me. I rubber glue, babe. I don't think so, honey. Anyone telling me anything about pumpkin spice? Whether it comes in the form of coffee, whether it comes in the form of muffin, it honestly is the best flavor. Come for me. Apple cinnamon beats it. Apple cinnamon, Blueberry. Get lost. I'm sorry, but this chokehold that blueberry flavor has on, you know, culture. No, it is about pumpkin spice. And I think we fucked up by making it seasonal. It should be all year round. Then it would be a main thing. We wouldn't have this nightmare of every season. Oh, here come the basic pumpkin spice girlies again. Yeah, here I am. And I don't Think so, honey.

[A]

And that's one minute.

[B]

Oh, my God, that was so good.

[C]

How do I follow that?

[B]

You do it in your own way.

[C]

My God, I'm intimidated now.

[A]

Don't be.

[B]

Don't be. But do you know what? Are you a pumpkin spice person?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Come on.

[A]

Something that has only been able. The only thing that's been able to save SNL writers, some nights when we write on Tuesdays, A fucking pumpkin spice Frappuccino.

[B]

Yeah, come on. It makes you happy.

[A]

The endorphins are soaring when you're drinking one of those.

[C]

Yes.

[A]

And the donut, it's delicious.

[B]

It's so good.

[A]

Everybody cut it out.

[B]

And I just. It's like, you know, we just got our little first nip of fall and already, like, people taken to their stories. Like, it's the first time anyone's ever said this. No, I'm like, I'm true to this.

[A]

How quickly we forget. You're not new to this. You're true to this.

[B]

No, I've been out here out and proud. And I'm sorry, but I still stand. Okay. You ready?

[A]

I am ready.

[B]

Okay. This is Bo Nang's. I don't think so, honey. His time starts now.

[A]

I don't think so, honey. We didn't have a song of the summer when Fast by Demi Lovato was right fucking there in the eye line. How dare you. She's got giving you incredible visuals, vocals, and completely serving cunt while chaos is.

[B]

Around her explosions and more.

[A]

You were being fed a feast that was nutritious, ethically made, gorgeously performed, and still you're, like, pushing your plate away going, I don't know. We didn't get served dinner tonight.

[B]

You were given something so premium.

[A]

And now that it's the fall, and now that this album, it's not that deep. It's coming. This is your second chance at redeeming your little mind and understanding that you've been given something incredible.

[B]

15 seconds.

[A]

Stream it now. October 24th, or whenever this comes out, do it today. I'm telling you, you won't regret it. It's got banger after banger, and it ends in one perfect ballad that ties the whole album sonically together. And we are so lucky to have Demi Lovato here on our podcast. That's one minute.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

That was amazing. And also, that was my.

[B]

What? I know, I know, I know. Do your version.

[A]

Do your version.

[C]

Okay.

[A]

Are you ready?

[B]

Yeah. Okay. Wait. This is Demi Lovato's. I don't think so, honey. Your time Starts now.

[C]

I don't think so, honey. There's no song of the summer. What are you talking about? Not only did I release fast, thank you very much. But there's so many incredible songs that came out this summer with all the pop girlies having their moments. I mean, you've got Adela. Adela who I stan so hard. You've got Gaga, you've got Sabrina, you've got Tate McRae, you've got Ke$ha, you've got Kim Petras, you've got Pink Pantheres, you've got all of these incredible, incredible artists. And that's just like the tip of the iceberg. I could keep going about how incredible these pop girlies are and so inspiring to me, but I think there's. You get stuck on Everyone has brain rot now and they can't think past the 30 second TikTok mark, which I totally relate.

[B]

I'm on TikTok too. Five seconds.

[C]

But there was songs of the summer and if you are looking for one, just stream fast.

[B]

Yay. I don't think so, honey. That is Demi Lovato tearing it up just like she did on the album.

[C]

Other pop girlies.

[A]

Well, I was gonna say, like, oh.

[B]

My God, not you.

[A]

Lifting up all these girlies, like, that's so special and beautiful.

[C]

Well, they deserve their shine.

[B]

Yes. Also, you know what? Like, fast Incredible. Man Child incredible. No one really talked about no Broke Boys as the song of the song I want to claim. And even when people online make those lists of like, here's everything it could have been, and it's like this list, it's like, no Broke Boys isn't even on any of that. I'm like, did it come out too soon?

[A]

Well, cause it came out. It technically came out on Tinashe's album last year, which maybe people are like, but there's no cutoff.

[B]

There's no cutoff.

[A]

There's no cutoff.

[C]

There's no cutoff.

[B]

Cool.

[C]

For the summer. Came back 10 years later with a vengeance.

[B]

Yeah, here we go.

[A]

I was playing the sped up version too. I was giving you streams.

[C]

People loved it. So, like, there's no time limit on this stuff.

[B]

No, you have had like one. Are you like aware that Sorry, not sorry is the best drag race lip sync of all time? Like, no context.

[C]

Yes, I'm aware. I'm fully aware. I gagged.

[B]

Yeah. Just like the way that they were tearing themselves apart.

[C]

It was so fucking good.

[B]

Yeah. And then they ended up being the top two. Right.

[A]

But it's like they're not able to do that unless you supply the vocal.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

You're motivating them to fucking do that.

[C]

I still go back and watch that performance. Performance.

[A]

As you should.

[B]

I mean, let's just say this. A lot of my friends are looking forward to my drag performance of Here All Night based on what I did in Peace House. Yes. Because it is like. You know what I mean? There's, like little stings where it's like, what was I doing? I was like, running and going, ooh. And then, like, letting you back around. One of these days. One of these days I'll get into some look that references or does not reference. Who knows? But like, yeah, no, that's. It's built into the track. And I'm like. I was looking at. So Brett played it for us. We were working on our award show, and he's producing songs for it. He was like, I can play you the single that I think is gonna be the single. It wasn't decided yet, but I can play it for you guys. Once we were like, do it. And so listening to it, I was just like, you really gave the queen something to chew on here.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

There's so much movement in it and energy into it and stings that make it fun to perform.

[C]

It is. It's so fun to sing. I can't wait to perform that one live.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

Ooh.

[B]

Excited about that? Because you have not performed it live yet, obviously. No, it's fresh out. See, it's weird because, like, we've had the album now for several weeks, so already I'm like, off book on a lot. Oh, good. We know the words.

[A]

It's. It's. It's been in the rotation.

[C]

I love that. Thank you.

[B]

Kiss is going to be a monster.

[C]

I'm so excited about Kiss.

[B]

That has to be a single, right? Well.

[C]

Well, we'll wait and find out.

[B]

I never know because sometimes it's like. At least it used to be in the old days. Maybe you agree as being one of the girls. It felt like if you put out two singles that were really uptempo, the third one had to give more of introspective ballad moment. Especially when you're you and can serve that.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

I guess you don't feel.

[C]

I'm gonna tell y' all the next single when we're off the air.

[B]

Okay, good.

[C]

And I wanna hear your thoughts behind it.

[B]

It could be so many things. Thank you. I'm so excited.

[C]

Yeah, I. I think I have my next single planned, but there's also a moment for what the fans really want. And we're trying to figure out what that looks like. So we'll see.

[A]

It's good that you're not being rigid about it then.

[C]

Yeah, I'm not. I'm really not.

[B]

Has that ever happened in the past? Like, where one song. Because I have to tell you, I put on my story the other day. Just tell me you love me. I was like, this album revisited. Cause I was revisiting. And the number of people that responded being like, daddy issues.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

Yes. That song has its grips in people even all these years later. Like, have. Have the fans response ever fully dictated a single choice?

[C]

Yes.

[B]

Yes, it has happened.

[C]

Yes. I would say, like, give your heart a break.

[B]

Really?

[C]

That one too? Like, I didn't actually want to release that as a single. I was like, it's a cute pop song, but I don't know that I wanna go and promote Give youe Heart a Break as, like, my single.

[B]

Like, and you have to do it all the time.

[C]

You have to do it all the time. And I was like, I don't know that I feel super strongly about this, but the fan reaction was really great. And so we were like, let's try it. And it ended up being my first big radio song.

[A]

Wow.

[C]

So really glad that I went with that one.

[B]

Sometimes it's worth it to listen to, I guess. What a lot of people who are ostensibly gonna be, the people listening aren't.

[A]

Yeah. But daddy issues, though, I mean, no one's ever wailed. No one's ever wailed on the word therapy quite like you.

[B]

That vowel is insane to belt.

[C]

I have to go back and listen to it. I haven't heard it in so long.

[A]

You'll be proud of yourself.

[C]

Thank you.

[B]

It really was. It's like, you don't expect it to go there either. And so when it does, you're kind of like. It's that thing we said earlier of like, I'm laughing because I didn't expect that to be the hit. But also, like, real. Real.

[C]

Yeah.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Thank you.

[A]

We all have them.

[B]

We got him.

[A]

This has been a spectacular episode.

[C]

It's over.

[B]

It's over. You technically had to go at 6, and now we're at 6. 15. We're keeping you because you're going to watch what happens live, right?

[C]

I am.

[B]

That's gonna be fun.

[A]

We haven't even talked to Lake City.

[C]

We have to.

[A]

Okay.

[B]

Stay for 10.

[C]

Okay. Okay.

[B]

Quick thoughts, quick thoughts.

[A]

Hopes and dreams. Going to Nancy. Scene. We haven't tonight, as of this recording.

[B]

This new season will be shown to have been out.

[A]

Well, have been out, but we have not seen them yet. What do you. What do you. What do you think?

[B]

What's your.

[A]

On the ladies?

[C]

I love all of them.

[A]

Yes.

[C]

I have my opinions about all of them.

[A]

Of course.

[B]

Do you keep them close to the chest?

[C]

I keep them close to my chest. I don't wanna be mean, but, like, we have opinions.

[B]

Yes, of course we do.

[C]

They're, you know.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

But I will say that I met Meredith Marks at the paper magazine party.

[B]

Yes.

[C]

She was so fab.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

She is gorgeous.

[B]

She's a friend of mine.

[C]

Gorgeous.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

Love her.

[B]

Yeah.

[C]

And I'm meeting Angie K tonight, which I'm so excited about.

[B]

We're about to tell Angie that you are with us today.

[C]

I will.

[B]

Because actually, her first. Watch what happens live. Bowen was on with her.

[A]

Oh, okay. And it was a really special moment. Cause she was so nervous, and I was just there to, like, just kind of, like, calm her down. And, like, I think we've formed, like, a lifelong connection.

[B]

She still says it. She's like, I'm so happy. You were my first time. She's gonna be so, so excited.

[A]

It's you.

[C]

I'm so excited. I feel like I hope she's wearing her sunglasses.

[B]

Yes.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I think it's a high probability that she'll be wearing something amazing.

[C]

Incredible.

[A]

But it's tough to be both an Angie Stan and a Meredith Stan because, you know, you're like, these are. But those are. The reason those two work as, like, rivals is because they're just equally beloved and you are just kind of like, they're both iconic.

[C]

But I feel like no matter who's fighting, like, I have a different favorite every week.

[A]

Sure, sure.

[C]

You know what I'm saying? Like, it changes.

[A]

Yeah.

[C]

You know, I mean, and they're. And they're all fighting with each other.

[B]

I mean, it's like five episodes in a row. I'll be like, I'm Whitney Rose. I'm writing so hard for Whitney Rose. And then there'll be a sixth episode, like, Whitney Rose, take a seat. And then the next episode will be like, whitney Rose.

[C]

Love her.

[A]

Love her.

[B]

You'll see now that you've. Because we've met them a few times because we're around the same stuff, like, often with the Bravo and everything.

[A]

Yes. They're amazing.

[B]

Once you meet them, it becomes incredibly hard to form a critical opinion of them. She's like, my friend.

[C]

Yes. Like, now I feel like I'm gonna have this connection to them. And I can't say my opinions that I may have had when I first watched the show. You know what I'm saying? So, yeah, that's why I don't wanna, like, say any of my opinions that I had. Cause I don't. You know what I mean?

[B]

Also, I'm sure Andy's gonna ask you about them tonight.

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He will.

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And you'll have to evade.

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But I think they also understand that they're like, they're being put on the spot and, like, we don't hold it against them. I've said things in the past about certain housewives who, like, have since been like, oh, totally, it's fine. I get it. We're on a TV show.

[C]

You know what I mean?

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I mean, it was like the start of a beautiful relationship we now have with Lisa. Rinna.

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Oh, nice.

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Because one time we were on Watch what Happens Live and they were asking about Rinna, and I was just like, ugh, I wish she wouldn't do this, this, this. And she got in the DMs and she was like, hey, I didn't like that comment. And I was like, lisa, I only made it because I feel like I know you parasocially, and I apologize. I was like, you are right. I was out of line, et cetera. She came to our cultural awards crush. Now we're friends. She's been on the show. Oh, that's amazing.

[C]

That's great.

[B]

So it had a happy ending.

[C]

Okay, good.

[A]

Thank you for staying these extra few minutes.

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Just to get out Salt Lake.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes.

[B]

You need to get Meredith to send you Brooks Marks.

[C]

Oh, my God.

[B]

I need a tracksuit. He does everything.

[C]

I need a tracksuit. I met Brooks too. He was so sweet.

[B]

Yeah, he's great. But that tracksuit is comfy. And for my gay guys out there, it, like, lifts and it, like, gives you, like. It's really. It looks good in your ass. Just saying. Brooksmark's not know something. I guess that'll be my last thought on the D. We love you. Congratulations.

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Love you too. Thank you for having me. This was so fun.

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We end every episode with a song. The song of the summer.

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I want to go fast.

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I want to go hard. I want to go anywhere. Anywhere you are. And if you want to hear that song, much better. Stream album Emma single Go forth. Bye.

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Thank you. Las Cultarites is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money players and iHeartRadio podcast.

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Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier and produced by Becca Ramos, edited and.

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Mixed by Doug Boehm and our music.

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