“Which Eye?” (w/ Lisa Rinna)

Summary

Las Culturistas: “Which Eye?” (w/ Lisa Rinna) – Episode Summary

Podcast: Las Culturistas with Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang
Episode Title: “Which Eye?” (w/ Lisa Rinna)
Date: December 17, 2025
Guest: Lisa Rinna
Description: Matt and Bowen welcome icon and multi-hyphenate Lisa Rinna for a deep dive into her journey through soaps, reality TV, internet meme status, fashion, family, “The Traitors,” and her formative culture—Dynasty.

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Episode Overview

This episode of Las Culturistas features a joyous, wide-ranging interview with the ever-iconic Lisa Rinna. The hosts, Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, celebrate Rinna’s status as a pop culture mainstay—actor, soap legend, reality star, fashion icon, podcaster, and cultural meme. They explore Lisa’s roots, her transformative impact on TV, her reflections on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, her playful embrace of internet fame, her family dynamics, and her recent ventures, including “The Traitors” and podcasting with her husband, Harry Hamlin. Rinna also shares the original moment of “culture” that shaped her: Dynasty. The conversation is lively, loving, and full of insight and memorable moments.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Lisa’s Introduction: Many Faces of an Icon ([03:23]–[08:48])

• Matt and Bowen share their personal “entry points” to Lisa Rinna: Matt first saw her as a red carpet host, Bowen as Harry Hamlin’s partner on Veronica Mars.
• Lisa reflects on being a “Rorschach test” in pop culture: “You think of Lisa Rinna, and probably everyone... may think of a different thing.” ([08:35])
• Rinna shares that, lately, her internet meme as “Lisa Rinna Eminem” has been the dominant association, hilariously noting the campaign was “15 years ago” but TikTok revived it with a vengeance. ([09:05])
  • Quote: “The fact that it came back 15 years later on TikTok is what I can’t figure out.” – Lisa Rinna [09:49]
• Discussion touches on Rinna’s sustained relevance: both her intentional fashion choices and the unpredictable life cycle of memes.

2. Family, Fame, and Full-Circle Moments ([11:22]–[13:39])

• Lisa discusses what her daughters think of her enduring fame, including seeing her old soap scenes resurface and the surreal experience of her children now being the same age as her when she started on Days of Our Lives.
• She laughs at her legacy: “Can you imagine having me as your mom?” ([11:28])
• Reflections on the full-circle moment of returning to Bravo for the Las Culturistas Culture Awards, culminating in Law Roach awarding her “Outfit of the Year for Lisa Rinna in Whenever the Fuck She Wants.” ([13:25])
  • Quote: “That, to me, was the highlight of the show.” – Matt Rogers [13:26]

3. Housewives, Reality TV, and Wrestling with Booing ([14:45]–[18:51])

• Lisa admits misgivings about her final chapter on Bravo—“My last moment on Bravo was not my finest hour” ([14:48])—and how the fan response (including public booing) made her feel.
• She compares the experience to pro wrestling: “The good ones got booed.” ([17:28])
  • Quote: “Even though I’m Lisa Rinna on Beverly Hills Housewives, I’m a character... you’re not really getting to see the full me.” – Lisa Rinna [16:27]
• Discussion on how reality TV blurs reality and performance, and how entering as an actor shaped her approach.
• Lisa shares early advice from producers: “Think out loud.” ([18:51])

4. Conflict, Growth & The Art of Saying How You Feel ([19:14]–[21:09])

• Lisa reflects on how Housewives made her more expressive and confrontational, despite not liking conflict.
  • Quote: “I am somebody who does not like conflict, if you can believe it.” – Lisa Rinna [20:47]
• Breaking the fourth wall and “making good TV” was part of Rinna’s self-understanding as an entertainer: “I was there to make good TV. I wasn’t there to make best friends…”

5. Navigating Real and Performed Relationships ([22:10]–[24:01])

• Lisa maintains bonds with select Housewives—she attended Kyle Richards’s daughter's wedding but refused to be filmed, insisting: “I felt good about that, saying, no, I’d love to come, but no, you can’t shoot me.” ([23:58])
• She discusses separating “real” relationships from show alliances: trauma bonding, genuine affection for some castmates, and drawing boundaries around on-camera life.

6. Soap Work Ethic, “Which Eye,” and Meme-lore ([24:30]–[27:04])

• Lisa recalls her soap days, memorizing 20–40 pages of lines per day; soap actors’ legendary skill of crying on cue—“Which eye? They do!” ([25:39])
  • Quote: “Which eye? Do you want left or right?” – Lisa Rinna, channeling Deidre Hall [25:45]
• The infamous “bunny” moment on Housewives: “Did you which eye here?” “No... I could never make that happen, but I was so proud because I did it. But I didn’t really do it, but I did it.” ([25:58])

7. The Traitors: Deciding to Join, Gaming, and Alan Cumming ([32:21]–[36:39])

• Lisa was at first reluctant to do The Traitors: “First I said, I do not want to do it.” ([32:21])
• She was convinced by friends and her team, plus the show’s prestige: “If you can get a good piece of real estate on TV, take it.” ([35:41])
• Lisa gushes over Alan Cumming as host—his professionalism, how he sets the tone, and her admiration for him: “He stands in the back the entire time, just standing there... I was so impressed with him.” ([36:39])
  • Quote: “He deserves those Emmys.” [37:42]

8. Fashion Risk-taking & Early Inspirations ([39:08]–[42:14])

• Lisa discusses her love for fashion, the freedom it brings, and planning her looks for The Traitors (without spoilers): “I could have brought Fashion Rinna in... didn’t bring any of that in... It’s nothing you’ve ever seen.” ([39:50])
• She recounts being bullied for a Vogue-inspired look as a teenager and how her risk-taking was stifled until later in life. ([41:15])
  • Quote: “I want to just blow it out of the water. I want to do everything, and I’ve had the time of my life.” ([40:54])

9. The Culture That Made Lisa Say “Culture” – Dynasty ([44:45]–[47:32])

• Lisa’s formative pop culture experience was Dynasty.
  • Quote: “Dynasty. Dynasty.” – Lisa Rinna [44:45]
• The operatic drama, the fashion, the catfights—all essentially foreshadowing her later career.
• Matt and Bowen connect Lisa's love of Dynasty to her passion for entertainment, performance, and glam.
• Lisa wishes Housewives could return to a more escapist, Dynasty-like tone: “If Housewives can get back to that... it’s become a little bit mean.” ([47:34])

10. Navigating On-Camera Friendships and Fallout ([47:47]–[50:13])

• Matt and Lisa dissect her infamous on-camera confrontation with Denise Richards, how working with friends on Housewives became fraught: “You can go home, I was home, so I couldn’t go home.” ([48:51])
  • Lisa concludes: “It didn’t serve any of us right. I don’t think... Ultimately, no. It’s better if you don’t know people.” ([49:23])

11. Lisa & Harry Hamlin: Real-Life Partnership ([51:08]–[63:00])

• Lisa credits therapy (“both as upkeep and as needed”) and communication for 33+ years of happy marriage, marveling at Harry’s persistence and their slow-burn courtship: “He called me every day for two weeks while he was in Aspen.” ([59:05])
• Parenting reflections: raising two daughters in Hollywood, pride in their character and success, and accepting the imperfections of parenthood.
• Quote: “Good humans. Kind, compassionate, good girls. And I’m very proud of that.” – Lisa Rinna [61:35]
• Lisa discusses the competitive, sometimes “vicious” nature of the modeling/fashion world her daughters are navigating and the importance of being “cool and kind” over being a “cunt.” ([63:19])

12. Fashion & Character: Housewife Looks, Wigs, and Awards ([63:42]–[67:22])

• Lisa and the hosts reminisce over looks from the Culture Awards, the fun and artistry of embodying fashion icons like Pedro Pascal and Demi Moore.
• Lisa delights in Demi Moore and Pedro Pascal acknowledging her tributes on social media ([68:33]), and shares behind-the-scenes stories of the meticulous preparation for each outfit.

13. Life After Housewives: Agency and Legacy ([71:00]–[73:07])

• Lisa reflects on fans’ assumptions that Housewives always want to return and challenges that notion: “...it feels like something that’s, like, in your past is a completed thing, at least. Being a housewife.” ([71:01])
• She credits her Housewives era for creating career opportunities and extending her personal brand.

14. Theater, Broadway, and Brighter Futures ([74:41]–[76:10])

• Surprising theatrical dreams: Lisa muses about playing the Emcee in Cabaret (“usually played by a man”) and Mary Todd Lincoln, highlighting her enduring love for theater.

15. Rapid-Fire “I Don’t Think So, Honey” Segment ([82:55]–[92:39])

• Matt’s rant: Escaping near-death on an LA celebrity tour hunting for Adrian Grenier—“I can’t die trying to track down Adrian Grenier from Entourage. Not with my one precious life...” ([84:01])
• Bowen’s rant: Lamenting the closure of the now-historic Amsterdam restaurant where Rinna’s iconic glass-smash moment occurred—“We need to commemorate and landmark these places or else we will lose history.” ([86:23])
• Lisa’s rant: Traumatized by being dragged to an Amsterdam sex show where a woman “shot a banana out of her vagina”:
  • Quote: “I never, honey, needed to see that ever in my life. I can't get it out of my mind.” – Lisa Rinna [91:27]
  • She (almost) blames producers, not Erika Jayne!

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Which eye? Do you want left or right?” – [25:45] Lisa on soap actors’ legendary ability to cry on cue.
• “I was there to make good TV. I wasn’t there to make best friends.” – [21:31] Lisa on her Housewives philosophy.
• “I want to just blow it out of the water. I want to do everything, and I’ve had the time of my life.” – [40:54] Lisa on fashion risk-taking.
• “Dynasty. Dynasty.” – [44:45] Lisa on her formative culture.
• “If you touch her, you’re going to jail in Amsterdam.” – [89:14] Lisa reflecting on restraining herself during the infamous glass-smash moment.

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [03:23] Where the “real” interview begins; Lisa’s intro
• [09:49] Lisa Rinna Eminem meme retrospective
• [13:25] Law Roach, Outfit of the Year, Culture Awards
• [16:27] Booing at BravoCon and reality TV as “character” performance
• [25:39] “Which eye?”/soap acting insight
• [32:21] Saying yes to “The Traitors”
• [39:50] On fashion choices and risk-taking
• [44:45] “The culture that made you say culture” question
• [59:05] The Harry Hamlin love story: calling every day from Aspen
• [84:07] Matt’s “I Don’t Think So, Honey”
• [86:23] Bowen’s “I Don’t Think So, Honey” (Amsterdam restaurant lament)
• [91:27] Lisa’s “I Don’t Think So, Honey” (banana sex show story)

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Tone and Style

The episode is warm, irreverent, self-aware, and affectionate—equal parts campy celebration and real cultural reflection. Lisa and the hosts approach fame, meme-ification, and reality TV with humor and honesty, never shying away from both the absurd and the real consequences of life in the spotlight.

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Final Thoughts

This episode is a rich, funny, and heartfelt journey through Lisa Rinna’s layered legacy—one that moves far beyond Housewives drama to explore why and how she’s become such a lasting cultural force. From Dynasty dreams and iconic memes to tough family moments and banana-related traumas, few episodes better embody the spirit of “Culturistas calling.”

Transcript

[Lisa Rinna]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

That's a great idea.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Hey, hey, hey. Or should I say, ho, ho, ho. It's me, Matt Rogers. And in the words of another Christmas icon, it's time. I'm back with my new nationwide tour, Matt Rogers, Christmas in December. Yes, it's time to remember when Christmas is. I'm hitting the road all of December with Henry Kabursky and the whole band performing my album. Have you heard of Christmas? Along with a bunch of other little surprises. So if you're in LA, San Francisco, Seattle, Portland, Philadelphia, DC, New York City, Boston, Toronto, Chicago, or yes, Orlando, Florida, I want to see your gorgeous ass. Go to mattrogersofficial.com or head to my Instagram rsthough and hit the link in my bio. Until then, stream the album, get your look together, and get ready to deck the damn halls at a venue near you. Christmas in December. You in my heart. X.O.X.O. santa boy. Look, man.

[Lisa Rinna]

Where?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, I see my eye. Oh, my Bowen, look over there.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow. Is that the culture? Yes. Goodness.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. Las culturistas.

[Bowen Yang]

Ding dong.

[Matt Rogers]

Las culturistas calling. It's a day of days.

[Bowen Yang]

It's the days of our lives, really.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh. So can I tell you, growing up, my mom, Katrina Rogers, was an ABC soap person. So in our house was General Hospital, All My Children. And what was the other one? Oh, my God. No, no. Passions was NBC.

[Bowen Yang]

Passions was later an NBC.

[Matt Rogers]

And also Passions had like, Witchcraft, Vampires and Witchcraft.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Supernatural.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I'm forgetting the third one. But those. Those. What is it?

[Lisa Rinna]

One Life to Live.

[Matt Rogers]

One Life to Live.

[Bowen Yang]

What could we forget?

[Matt Rogers]

And so my intro to our guest was not soaps. It was actually red carpet and hosting.

[Bowen Yang]

Which, as we now know.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, now they're really dipping into, like, an interesting talent pool. We'll get into this later. But it's like Gabby Wetting doing the red carpet at the VMAs Slay.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course. So that is a hard job. It's very hard.

[Bowen Yang]

This is hard work. And we will get into this. Into the nitty gritty. That is a really good first exposure. My first exposure.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Veronica Mars with the Amazing Harry Hamlin.

[Matt Rogers]

Harry Hamlin.

[Bowen Yang]

And that was when I knew. I was like, there's something about this actor. She is amazing.

[Matt Rogers]

It's. It's one of those. It's true pop culture iconography because it's not just one thing. It's so many different things. Obviously, our guest is a beloved, memorable fixture from the Real Housewives of Beverly Hills and now has, like, I feel had this incredible new win as, like, a fashion icon, which always has been a fashion, but it's truly walking in motion now. And I think I. I could call it the highlight of our awards show, of our Los Culturistas Culture Awards, particularly one moment, all of it. But you know what? The moment I'm talking about, there were.

[Bowen Yang]

Several highlights, much like Kelly Clarkson's hair during the first season of American Idol.

[Matt Rogers]

You really just went there. And by went there, I mean showed that we are millennial gay guys.

[Bowen Yang]

But there were several highlights. I think one of the most stunning streaks of the show was our guest truly giving an embodied performance. This is where you go, that's right. She's an actor. She knows how to play in a heightened reality like this.

[Matt Rogers]

I thought Demi Moore was on stage in the substance. I thought Demi Moore was like that.

[Bowen Yang]

I was like. Many people thought Demi Moore on stage. We had to make a big show out of announcing our guest so that the audience could tell what was happening. But, I mean, I think there was just a lot of, you know, discourse and chatter the next day and in the weeks after about that being a particular highlight of the show.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Bowen Yang]

She's an icon. She's a fashion legend. She's an acting legend. We love her. She's a patron of theater. Because we will get into this. This is our first meeting.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Oh, yes, of course. You told me. Took my breath away. Immediately after that. Took my breath away. And podcaster as well. Let's not talk about the husband. I listened to the podcast. It's presented by Dear Media alongside yes. Harry Hamlin. They continue to be a very rich duo. In love, in life, in podcasting, and more and more.

[Bowen Yang]

We're so thrilled she's here. Everyone, give it up for Lisa Rinna.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. We're so happy.

[Lisa Rinna]

That was so fun to just sit and listen to. I could have that every day. I would just walk around like a queen.

[Matt Rogers]

You should be walking around like a queen.

[Lisa Rinna]

You should.

[Matt Rogers]

But the thing is, there is so much to talk with you about about, like, the impact that you've had in the entertainment industry, the roles that you've played, both, like, you know, in terms of acting and in terms of, like, functioning in this industry. You are truly what it means to be, like, a Hollywood mainstay.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, thank you. I certainly have survived for a very long time.

[Matt Rogers]

Survived is the word.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you use. I've been around. I think I've been in the business now three, 36 years. Wow.

[Bowen Yang]

But the word survive implies, like, peril.

[Matt Rogers]

It implies danger.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's true. But this business can be like that, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, it can. And I feel like. I feel like I'm still here, you know? Cause I am. I'm still here. And I've gotten to do so many great things thanks to you. My last great thing I got to do was truly one of the highlights. I'm not even kidding.

[Bowen Yang]

It won't be the final thing.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it certainly is not gonna be the final thing. Unless I'm dead.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

But we met with the awards.

[Bowen Yang]

We're staying with the awards, like you are. Welcome back.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, great. Fantastic. Oh, you're never gonna get rid of me at this point.

[Bowen Yang]

Love it.

[Lisa Rinna]

But that was so much fun because, again, I think when I went to do my reality stint for eight years, it's just a very long time.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, you were there for a while.

[Lisa Rinna]

People tend to forget that I'm an actor.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. That's how I began. That's what I am. So to go and play those characters was dream come true. It was really fun. So thank you so much.

[Matt Rogers]

And I will say, when. When I think people think you are like a little bit of a Rorschach, it's like you think of Lisa Rinna, and probably everyone that watches pop culture may think of a different thing. Is that your experience?

[Lisa Rinna]

It is. And of late, mostly is that damn Eminem, the Ellie Smart.

[Bowen Yang]

What are your feelings, your honest feelings about the Eminem? Because I imagine it's complicated.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's complicated only because I think it's so weird, because I literally did that campaign 15 years ago.

[Bowen Yang]

Right. With Joey Fatone. Who else was it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Joey Fatone and I were doing the red carpet for the TV Guide Network. Now, who thought of that? Casting.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But that's what I mean, though. That's probably when, like, you. I remember you on a carpet. I remember you on a red carpet, like, interviewing. That was like the Lisa Rinna I first met.

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, well, that Lisa Rinna was with Joey Fatone on the red carpet. They came to us, paid us a good chunk of money, from what I remember. Do you want to be an Eminem? Wouldn't you want to be. Absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes, we would.

[Lisa Rinna]

You would be like.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes, but so it does feel like an honor then, because I have to look at that, and I imagine that is iconic.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it's so. I mean, back then, I thought it was iconic. And that was before social media. It was before everything. Before the damn phones, really.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

So the fact that it came back 15 years later on TikTok is what I can't figure out.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's not up to us. It's not up for us to know.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's not.

[Bowen Yang]

It's sort of.

[Lisa Rinna]

It isn't.

[Matt Rogers]

I guess it's sort of this thing lately that I think is happening, which is it takes one person with not even a big platform, with the right platform to say, I want to. I even feel like that a little bit with the Culture Awards. It's like some of the polls, like, from, like, new culture and old culture, we feel like we're rolling the dice. Like, it's like, are people going to remember this reference? And then they do. And if. And it suddenly gets life, you know? But I do think that's what we're living in right now. Like, because the Lisa Rinna Eminem is an iconic image. If the right person puts that forth, we can expect in 2025 going forward, that that might just dominate.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

But you don't think.

[Bowen Yang]

But you don't think it's an accident, though, because it's like, on the one hand, there's something totally, let's say, random about the Eminem coming back, but then on the other, it's this very intentional thing that you're in control over, which is, I'm going to show up to Fashion Week, I'm going to dress in, like, this Balenciaga to commemorate the Balenciaga of, like, the last few whatever years. You are making choices in your own life. And then on the parallel track is like, oh, the Internet just dug up this thing from 15 years ago. You know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

Or we're still playing the Amsterdam episode of Housewives on Cliff. You know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

It will keep working in tandem with whatever you decide to do.

[Lisa Rinna]

And thank you very much. And thank God, I guess.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think that's the beauty of it all. And it's so funny to see my kids reaction.

[Bowen Yang]

What do they think? What do the girls think?

[Lisa Rinna]

You know what? Can you imagine having me as your mom? I mean, you probably both can, but.

[Matt Rogers]

I know my mom dissimilar to you.

[Bowen Yang]

And I went back and watched your first episode in season five. I was just like, let me like, refresh. Go back to the beginning.

[Lisa Rinna]

Why did you.

[Bowen Yang]

Which is just in preparation for this episode.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, wow.

[Bowen Yang]

And the first. I don't know if you remember this. The first moment of the family is Harry brings in a snake from the garden, and Amelia and Delilah are like, ow.

[Lisa Rinna]

Get that out.

[Bowen Yang]

And it's this beautiful moment of family. And then in your talking head, you're like, I'm never happier than when all four. Four people are under one roof.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's the truth. I still feel the way that way. Like that change has not changed. Nothing's really changed, to be honest. I think now that they're older, they're just seeing everything is being sent to them. And, you know, as mom, you don't go, oh, here, you guys want to go watch Days of Our Lives or Melrose Place or whatever? And so they're getting it sent to them now. And I think they get a kick out of me, which is good. You want your kids to get a kick out of you.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, also, it's because they're probably now reaching the age or approaching that time when, like, they can now see you from when you were similar age to them.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. Cause there's a lot of that, especially Days of Our Lives. I mean, that's the same age that Delilah is right now when I did that. So it really, truly is. It's fascinating. And it's been so fun, and I'm so grateful. I mean, look what I've gotten to do for so many years.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And it changes all the time.

[Matt Rogers]

It's because, you know. You know what the thing is, and this is why we were so enthusiastic about having you at the Culture Awards and we're so excited to have you here, is because, you know, you're always going to bring fun. And I feel like we try to center a lot of fun in what we do. And I feel like when you arrived and you brought such great energy to the show and such different specific energies to each of those moments, and it all ended up in that moment of Law Roach giving you the outfit of the year award for Lisa Rinna and whenever the fuck she wants.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, come on.

[Matt Rogers]

That, to me, was the highlight of the show, though, was your speech. Like, your speech was the highlight of the show. Because I felt like. And it happening on Bravo, too, I thought was so special, because. How about that? Yeah, like that. Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

How about that?

[Matt Rogers]

You know what's funny? Like, we were putting this. Putting the show together in the edit, and obviously, you know, you were there. The show was long. We recorded for about three hours.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

But I said, you know what? All parts of this Lisa Rinna speech have to be there. Because I was like, people have to understand this is gonna really resonate with an audience that did know Lois, that did see the girls grow up, that is gonna be happy to see you, like, winning one of the final awards of the night, even though they're silly awards. It's still a moment of recognition. I feel like it means something for it to happen on that network.

[Lisa Rinna]

It certainly did. And I didn't expected. This kind of just came about, you know, and I was like, yes, yes, yes, I'll do anything. And then you came up with the skits that I would do. Like, I had no idea what I was gonna do. I was just like, yes, I'll do it. I don't care what I do. I'll do it.

[Matt Rogers]

She's walking outfit of the year.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'll do whatever. And so the fact that it's then on Bravo, how full circle.

[Bowen Yang]

Pretty full circle.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I wasn't even ready for that full circle. Do you know what I mean? Like, it came around and I was like, oh, maybe I am ready for it.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

What were the misgivings about it? Were there any.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yes, there were a few misgivings because my last moment on Bravo was not my finest hour. It did not feel great to me.

[Bowen Yang]

It just felt just murky. I wouldn't even say chaotic. It was just like, wait, so we can't. Like, as an audience. I'll speak for us. We didn't know how to feel about it because we're like, well, none of us can know what really happened, about which we don't have to talk about it. But it's like, there's no resolution for. For the audience or for you. But in the way that we see Lisa Rinna, this true, wonderful, prevalent figure in the Bravo verse, and then you just kind of, like, go away, and there's a feeling of unease there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

And so I'm so grateful that you came back and did the show because it just felt like there was a period on it. Finally.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's what it gave me, to be honest with you, to be able to go back in that way and in a winning way. You know, I felt like a winner as opposed to being booed on the stage at Brah.

[Matt Rogers]

I have to say, I couldn't believe that that had happened and we weren't there for that one. But that felt really like. And, you know, we talk oftentimes about how, like, in times when it feels like you can't. It's like the things you love the most sometimes when you're a fan of something are the things that you like, you can lash out a little bit.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, yeah, the audience, for sure.

[Matt Rogers]

I was gonna say it feels even more intense. So it almost feels like they weren't booing you as a human. They were booing you as an extension, to be part of the show. But still, you're up there, a human being being booed. Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I. You know, it's funny because I actually took it as a good thing when it happened because to me, even though I'm Lisa Rinna on Beverly Hills Housewives, I'm a character. I mean, you're not really getting to see the full me.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, you see this much of me, and you see me reacting off of other women being crazy or throwing things at me. Things that are not necessarily in my wheelhouse in my day to day life.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So when I went out, at first, it's funny because I was standing in line with Erica.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I had no idea that was gonna happen. She says to me, they may boo you. I turned around, I was like, what do you mean? She goes, they might boo you. Just get ready. I was like, okay. I didn't even think about it. So when they did, it wasn't like such a shock because she had literally just said it to me two seconds earlier, and my reaction was like, okay, cool. In the back of my mind, because the wrestlers I used to watch on tv, the good ones, got booed.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

I was gonna bring up wrestling. But it's not wrestling, though, because there is, like, some of the conflicts are. There's a layer of stagedness to that.

[Lisa Rinna]

But it's real. But it's real. It's real, honey. It's real.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not like the Undertaker, the Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin walking out there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Bowen Yang]

It's Lisa Rinna, it's Erika Jayne. These are people who. And then the seasons that proceed from that also are informed by these moments where, like, BravoCon. This is what happened. That's the difference here. The veil between reality and the heightened version of reality is very thin.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's very thin and like that.

[Bowen Yang]

But that must be. That must affect you in some way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it's hard because if you come into it as an actor like I did.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's different if you come into it and you've really never done anything before.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, say, Dorit.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

She comes into it. She's done many other things, but she's never been on camera showing her real life. I think it's easier for someone like Dorit than it is actually for me to come in.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I can see why in the very beginning. Cause, you know, I was up for the show in the very beginning, and Andy said, no, no actors. And I can see why he said that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because as an actor, you know, we view cameras and directors and producers and everybody differently than if you're doing a reality show.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'll never forget, I had a meeting with everybody. Cause I wasn't so sure about it at first. And the producer came in, and he said, I'm just gonna give you some advice. Think out loud. You need to think out loud. And I'm like, what the fuck does that mean? But as an actor, I went, oh, I need to think out loud. Well, I certainly did. Do you know what I'm saying?

[Matt Rogers]

Externalizing was not an issue for you.

[Lisa Rinna]

But in my real life, I never said how I felt. Like, I mean, I grew up not being somebody that was expressive in that way. Expressive in that way. So at first, it was hard for me. And then, of course, it just.

[Matt Rogers]

And then was it almost liberating there for a while? It's kind of like. Cause I remember when I started watching Housewives. Cause there was a time in my life where I was saying, just, the one thing I know I'll never do is I'm not gonna watch the Real Housewives. And then it was like. I remember one time, it was literally, I was just like, it just doesn't feel like it's for me. And I put on. I believe the first franchise I watched was New York. And I put it on, and I was just like, wait, I feel like I get this. And what I really felt like, improved about me from watching it was I wasn't scared to be like, hey, I have an issue with what you just did, and I want to talk about it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

It actually got me to not become a more confrontational person, but it made me understand that conflict can actually not all the time, as we see on the show, but oftentimes resolved, be resolved and make people better and make. For example, when you were first on the show, you and Dorit just could not see eye to eye until you had that conversation in the.

[Lisa Rinna]

On the wheel.

[Matt Rogers]

In the wheel.

[Lisa Rinna]

On that wheel. That bubble wheel. Weird thing in Vegas.

[Matt Rogers]

And then it felt like you guys never really had a major issue again.

[Lisa Rinna]

No. And that's the beauty also of that show. If you can work through things, which, of course, in real life, you don't do a whole lot.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. Because you're not being forced to.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're not being forced to. And being forced to. I have to tell you, it was so uncomfortable. I am somebody who does not like conflict, if you can believe it.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I can't.

[Lisa Rinna]

It really. It did help me in many ways. It also helped me in my acting. Yeah, for sure. Because you really have to say how you feel and play up the. Think about, how do I feel right now and express it. That's hard as a real person, of course.

[Bowen Yang]

But I think what you innovated in the show, across all the franchises is I think you were the first housewife to break the fourth wall.

[Lisa Rinna]

And to break a glass. No.

[Bowen Yang]

And to break a glass.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. But thank God you did.

[Bowen Yang]

Thank God you break the fourth wall and say, I'm here to make good tv. That is the actor in you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Aha. Well, that's true. And I can't help that. I was there to make good tv.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I wasn't there to make best friends. I wasn't there to get a fan base to love me. I'm not one of those people that go on Twitter and find out what everyone's saying and then skew that so that I don't be, you know, don't have horrible people.

[Bowen Yang]

But it's you and Eileen starting at the same time, which was interesting. Andy's like, no actors, and then he brings on two.

[Lisa Rinna]

Two at the same time. Which was quite brilliant. Two soap actors at the. I mean, we both came from soaps, in a sense.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. We loved Eileen, too.

[Bowen Yang]

We miss her.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you connected with Eileen? I do.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, I talk to her from time to time, but, you know, you don't work with people again, of course, you lose that little moment. But when I see her, of course, I just. I. She's one of the special ones.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

So one of the things that I feel like is a symptom of being in this business is those things happen. Right. You book a job, you become close with people, and then as a result of the job ending, you do move on, you lose touch, or you make new, you know, friends and, you know, relationships and new jobs and that. That purpose. It's so different in what we do.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

But for a show like Housewives, where it is you're performing as friends, but also it is real and you are real friends. Have you kept those friends? Like, are you still close with the. Not to say your allies on the show, but the people who, like, had your back on the show?

[Lisa Rinna]

I am.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like this weekend I went to Kyle Richards daughter's Alexia's wedding, and she invited me herself. Alexia invited me. And I've known her since she was. Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

Young girl.

[Lisa Rinna]

A young girl. And to me, even though I don't see those women all the time, I will go and support in love, in friendship, in all of that, because whether we're trauma bonded or what we are.

[Matt Rogers]

There is a bond.

[Lisa Rinna]

There is a bond there. And I love a handful of those women. I think you all know which ones. I don't even think I have to tell you which ones. I really do. And I have dinner with them and, you know, they did wanna film me. And I said no. I did say no to the filming at the wedding because I didn't feel that that was what it was about.

[Matt Rogers]

I was there. Oh, they were shooting the wedding.

[Lisa Rinna]

They shot it sort of a little bit. I mean, they had producer cameras there, which is just iPhones on steroids.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

Do you know what I mean? But I felt, no, you're not gonna get me back that way. I'm gonna go and support my friend and her daughter and my other friends at this wedding.

[Bowen Yang]

Lovely, lovely.

[Lisa Rinna]

I felt good about that, saying, no, I'd love to come, but no, you can't shoot me.

[Bowen Yang]

That's what. You're in control. That's what you were saying earlier. I'm gonna show you this much, and it gets to be on your terms.

[Lisa Rinna]

Now, see, when you're doing that show, it really doesn't get to be on your terms, you know, and on a lot of. I mean, does it get to be on your terms on Saturday Night Live?

[Bowen Yang]

No. We're on weeks where you're like, I've got nothing. The well is bone dry. I still have to write a sketch that probably won't be received well. And then that's like that. Like, docs against me. You know, it's that kind of thing. This is like, I want to talk about soap acting.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh.

[Bowen Yang]

Because this is. You guys have to be off book on reams of paper, of dialogue.

[Lisa Rinna]

40 pages sometimes of dialogue. 40. I would have 20 to 40 pages of dialogue a day.

[Matt Rogers]

How long did you do?

[Lisa Rinna]

Three years.

[Matt Rogers]

Three years of days.

[Lisa Rinna]

Three years.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So that's first job, really?

[Matt Rogers]

That's Olympic.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's Olympic, but it trains you. You know, if you don't get the chance to go to Juilliard or, you know, Yale, or.

[Matt Rogers]

You get your education, honey.

[Lisa Rinna]

You get your education. You learn how to be professional. Because you've got 40 people waiting for you. You can't fuck around. You're like, you better know your lines. And most of the time, I would be working with people that have been on the show for years and years and years that used cue cards. Because that's how, after being on the show for 25 years, you gotta. It's very hard to Learn those lines, of course. So to learn how to act with somebody who's looking over here while you're here was very difficult. I could never do the cue card, so I had to memorize my lines.

[Matt Rogers]

Got it.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, there is. There's a common thing among soap actors where Sarah Sherman said this when she went on General Hospital, she was like, can you guys cry on cue? All the actors go, which eye?

[Lisa Rinna]

Which eye? They do.

[Bowen Yang]

Stop.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's true.

[Bowen Yang]

Stop.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. And that's why.

[Bowen Yang]

Which eye do you want?

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, Deidre hall could cry out. She'd say, do you want left or right?

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, which eye is title of. Oh, no.

[Lisa Rinna]

Seriously. So cut to when I had the moment with the bunny on Housewives.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. Did you wish I here?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, no. Cause I never could do it. It just happened accidentally. I could never make that happen, but I was so proud because I did it. But I didn't really do it, but I did it.

[Matt Rogers]

No. Cause you were living it accidentally.

[Bowen Yang]

You did it for the camera.

[Matt Rogers]

That is accidentally. I think it's gotta. It's top five of all Bravo images. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is just you glaring at her with that teal running gold.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm telling you, the genius of their editing at times can be.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, come on.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, come on. And the crackling of the sea. Cellophane.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, he's the bunny. I actually just every time we go into the clubhouse, we've been lucky to go many times, but this last time, everyone does where we. Where we went to go promote the culture Awards. I was like, not only am I looking at the bunny, I'm holding the bunny.

[Lisa Rinna]

You have to.

[Matt Rogers]

And she does crackle.

[Lisa Rinna]

She crackles. And the way that they did that in the editing, it's so good. You know, I didn't plan that. I went and got a present.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And instead of wrapping it, they were like, do you want it in cellophane with a bow?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, there's no plan planning to it.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the butterfly effect.

[Lisa Rinna]

That is the magic. Anytime that can happen, that's the magic.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can't plan it. You're doing something actually good for somebody or trying to. And then it turns into this meme that is never gonna go away. Really?

[Matt Rogers]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

The middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[Bowen Yang]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes, total reset.

[Matt Rogers]

Right? There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It just hits.

[Bowen Yang]

It's my little me moment. Like, make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke, this is my taste, so. Cause I always feel like whenever we have someone on the show that's gone through the reality show process, one of the things I think is the most interesting is how it feels to see yourself edited into a character. Because they do have to do that. And of course it's you, but it is. There are edges they have to give you depending on what they need season to season. So leaving Housewives out of it, because you move on from Housewives, and now we're gonna see you on the Traitors. I wonder about, like, what it was like to obviously have that put to you and be like, look, here's an opportunity to do the Traitors. You know, it's a fun show, but. But it's another opportunity for us to edit you. So can you talk through what the process was just without even getting into right now? What happened? Getting that offer and feeling like, okay, am I engaging?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, first I said, I do not want to do it. No, no, no, no, no.

[Matt Rogers]

You said no. Why not? Why?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, because I watched it, and I thought, it's enjoyable to watch. I don't want to do it.

[Matt Rogers]

Stressful. Is that why?

[Lisa Rinna]

And reality.

[Matt Rogers]

And reality.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just wasn't quite ready. When I first. When they were first, like, dangling it, I was like, I love to watch it. Don't wanna do it. But then. Then people started to say, oh, my God, I think you'd be so great on it. Oh, my God. Have you really watched it? And I'd only watched a little bit of it. My agents, my manager, and all those people are like, I think you should do it. I think it'd be the greatest thing for you. And here's why. X, Y, and Z. So I kept getting a lot of that. A lot of that. And listen, it's not like I don't. I will listen if it starts to make sense to me.

[Matt Rogers]

Right, Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I can start to go, okay. I authentically can understand that. And so, because it's won the Emmy, Alan just won, I think, his second.

[Matt Rogers]

He did.

[Lisa Rinna]

He did Emmy. So, you know, I know how that kind of stuff works.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I'm no dummy.

[Matt Rogers]

It's a prestige reality show, right? Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

It's different. It's a gameplay, too, and it's a game.

[Lisa Rinna]

And so I did a lot of talking and research and asking questions, and they were very open with me at Peacock, if you need to talk to us, you know. Cause I wasn't sure.

[Matt Rogers]

Yep.

[Lisa Rinna]

What really made me go, you know what I'm gonna do it Is that it's a game. It's not real. So you're playing a game. Which, again, in my mind is like, I can be an actor playing a character, in a sense. It doesn't have to be like, I'm not gonna go in and be mean to somebody.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, for real, it's a game.

[Matt Rogers]

You might have to be accusational. You might have to try to trick someone into saying something. But it's a game.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I didn't see any cruelness or meanness. In a sense that you can see it in the Housewife franchise. I didn't see it.

[Bowen Yang]

Interesting, because then is the gameplay taking pressure off of you as an actor to go, I don't have to worry about making good TV in the same way that I did on Housewives.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you know, unfortunately, I always worry about making. I always think about making good tv.

[Bowen Yang]

That's not unfortunate. That's not unfortunate.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's just what I do, you know, it's in my mind. It is not unfortunate, but that's how my brain works.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's not like I'm trying to make good tv.

[Matt Rogers]

The producing accusation is not correct.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

But it's just. You're just thinking about how to be entertaining.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. Cause I'm an entertainer. At the end of the day, I consider myself an entertainer.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes. And you are that, right.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, that's what I do. So going in was terrifying. I have to be honest. It was terrifying because, number one, I'm terrible at playing games. I'm just not a good game player.

[Matt Rogers]

Game night is not your night.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, I'm good at Uno. That's it. You know, the bar's low, guy.

[Bowen Yang]

It's a pretty hard game to master.

[Lisa Rinna]

But yeah, sure, I'm pretty good at Uno, but that's it. So I'm not a master game player. I'm not a gamer, which is usually. The show's very stacked with gamers and those gamers know how to game any.

[Matt Rogers]

And this season, this upcoming season, you look at the cast like they did pick some fearsome Survivor players.

[Lisa Rinna]

Winners of Survivor.

[Bowen Yang]

That's right.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like big time winners of Big Brother. So I think that is the part that scared me. It was like, I'm gonna suck, but okay, why not? Let's go try it. And again, I always think if you can get a good piece of real estate on television, take it.

[Bowen Yang]

Take it.

[Lisa Rinna]

You take it. And that's what Lisa Rinna thinks. Like, yeah, this was a great piece of real estate offered to me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Take it or leave it. And I took it. That's basically it. Because I know I can. I can do something with good real estate. I can't do that much with shitty real estate, but I can do something with good real estate.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course, it's an investment. And honestly, you must have known Alan, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

You had never met Alan in all these years?

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow. Isn't he great? He's delicious.

[Lisa Rinna]

I am so obsessed with him.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Talk about the most professional, most awesome performer shows up, does his job on time. Like, wow.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

He's like in the fabric of that show too.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yeah. And he produces it also, so it matters to me.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

I can't talk much about it. I'd love to, of course, But I was so impressed with him. Yeah. I don't even know if I can say this, but I'm gonna say it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

When we do the roundtable.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

When Alan comes in and it's such a big deal and they pipe it all up and they get you all going. He stands in the back the entire time, just standing there. You don't see him on camera, but sometimes that goes on for an hour, an hour and a half. He's standing there listening. I thought that was.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, it's pretty amazing, you know what I mean? Like, I think he probably takes it seriously as the performer because it's like he knows it's his job to. He's the master of ceremonies. You mean that is. And to speak not dissimilar to his iconic role as the emcee in cabaret. He knows what it means to set tone.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, and does he set that tone, honey? And I think you had to. I felt that you have to rise to that occasion also in your own way. Like everyone brings their own thing to it. And that is what was exciting, I thought.

[Bowen Yang]

I think you, hearing you talk about him, you would be an incredible host of a show.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, that would be fun. It would be fun. Now that I've watched a great host do it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Because boy, does he deserve those Emmys.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, yeah, absolutely.

[Matt Rogers]

And you're in the Drag Race family.

[Lisa Rinna]

Ah, yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You guessed early on. Was that like season four.

[Lisa Rinna]

Season three for three on Logo.

[Matt Rogers]

On Logo. I missed it when it was on Logo.

[Lisa Rinna]

I missed.

[Matt Rogers]

I missed there being a lube commercial.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Matt Rogers]

You know what I mean? Like there it used to really be for the community.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, at the time, nobody knew.

[Bowen Yang]

What it was exactly.

[Lisa Rinna]

And of course I was like, you betcha, I'll do it.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I'll go to the Drag Queen competition ever.

[Lisa Rinna]

But I'd never seen anything like it.

[Bowen Yang]

Same thing, though. Real estate. Prime real estate on tv. And like you, you will do good with that. Real estate, no matter. And like, that must mean that you thought our little show was. Was the same.

[Lisa Rinna]

I knew it.

[Bowen Yang]

Very honored.

[Lisa Rinna]

Of course I knew it. Look it, it's the two of you.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, stop.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but it's true. I'm no dummy that way.

[Bowen Yang]

Stop it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know those things.

[Bowen Yang]

You know those things.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, quickly.

[Bowen Yang]

I have to say yes. I caught up with Eric Nam recently and he said that he had a fabulous time. He really likes you.

[Lisa Rinna]

Really?

[Bowen Yang]

I said, how is Lisa? He said, lisa's very good. And he was very tight lipped about it as well.

[Matt Rogers]

You gotta be. That's part of it. Like whenever, like it was so I adore him.

[Bowen Yang]

He's wonderful.

[Lisa Rinna]

I adored everybody, actually.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, good.

[Lisa Rinna]

Everybody.

[Matt Rogers]

It did. But he's special, like A good cast because even the housewives they had chosen, I got really excited because there's been a couple of housewives that I've been saying for a while would be really good. You've been one of them. Candace was one of them. Yeah, Love Candace.

[Lisa Rinna]

Love Candace.

[Matt Rogers]

Just like, there was a really good vibe and energy around it. But I just wanted to ask, because another big opportunity with this show is the fashion. And now you are. You are, you know, an icon in this regard. So how long were you planning looks? How long did you have to plan looks?

[Lisa Rinna]

You have. I had a while. Yeah, I had a while. I thought about it for a long time because I. Okay, you've got Alan.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Alan is the king of the looks.

[Matt Rogers]

Absolutely.

[Lisa Rinna]

He is. He's it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

So I thought long and hard about it. I could have brought Fashion Rinna in. I could have brought Couture Rinna in. I could have brought all of that. He didn't bring any of that in.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

I guess we have to.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, you're gonna have to wait and see. You're gonna have to wait and see. It's like a vibe that I put together or that we put together that just felt like it worked. We had a fitting and we just tried all this stuff on, and we just created outfits and we created a vibe, and there is a traitor's vibe.

[Matt Rogers]

A move.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's nothing that you've ever seen, actually. Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that's so exciting. I mean, so I have to imagine that you and your stylist, it must be the most fun.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's the most fun. I love fashion and expressing myself that way more than anything besides acting, because I can play characters. I can have so much fun. And I'm not afraid. I'm really not afraid in fashion. And I don't know where that comes from. I really don't know why. I take the risks that I do much more than most women would do. Especially even most women at my age. They just don't. They do the same thing.

[Bowen Yang]

They don't embody something different.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they're afraid.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's just. It's fear. It's safer to, like, stay in your safe, you know? Lane.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm like, fuck that. I want to just blow it out of the water. I want to do everything, and I've had the time of my life, so it's fun every time. It's different. It's just different every time.

[Bowen Yang]

You can tell, but you can tell you're having fun so much.

[Matt Rogers]

Were you like that in high school? Like what? Like what, what was your. What was your, like, sartorial vibe in, like, high school? And being a young person, I wanted.

[Lisa Rinna]

So badly to be that in high school. But I grew up in a very, very small town in Medford, Oregon, and I was vilified for doing it. Like I did it one time, and I was so bullied that I was scared to death to do it again. So I went back to, like my, you know, short shorts.

[Matt Rogers]

And do you remember what it was you wore?

[Lisa Rinna]

I know exactly. I know exactly what it was.

[Matt Rogers]

What was it?

[Lisa Rinna]

All right, I got my first Vogue magazine at 16. I forget who was on the COVID I should remember that. But there was a picture inside. A girl wearing a sweater dress, a burgundy sweater dress, buttons down the back. I don't think anyone had ever seen that for sure. Brown suede pumps.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Back in 19, you guys.

[Bowen Yang]

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, Blah.

[Lisa Rinna]

80S, 80s, 80s.

[Bowen Yang]

Uh huh.

[Lisa Rinna]

I wore that. I went down to San Francisco, we went shopping. I literally found that outfit. I wore it. And no, ma', am, uh, never again, so.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause they were threatened.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, they were scared. They didn't know. I mean, I look like a freak to them.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause if she's rolling the dice, I might have to roll the dice. And I am not ready to roll the dice.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, no, no, no. Whatever it was, it was too soon, too early, too much. But it started then. It started even maybe before that, I think.

[Bowen Yang]

So then you withdraw and feel safe. Yes. At what point do you venture back out?

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, let's see. Not too far. Not too far from now. I mean, it hasn't been that, you know, think about it. Housewives. I was still pretty safe in Housewives. I started with the wigs and wearing some.

[Matt Rogers]

Cause it started to change while you were on it. It did start to become, we're bringing glam on vacation.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, Erika Jayne showed up.

[Matt Rogers]

Definitely that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Once Erica showed up, we were like, ugh. And then Dorit shows up and we.

[Matt Rogers]

Were like, oh, yeah, you can't.

[Lisa Rinna]

They forced us. They forced all of us to step up. That's when it happened.

[Matt Rogers]

It affected all the franchises too.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did, yeah, it really did. So then my eyes opened up and I thought, oh. And then I started wearing wig. And then forget it. Then it was just like, this is way more fun than doing the same thing I've always done.

[Bowen Yang]

You have one of the best faces for wigs ever. You think you transform.

[Lisa Rinna]

Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

I'm always gonna be on record saying I have one of the worst, because it's still me. You can still tell that it's me.

[Lisa Rinna]

It works, though. Really well.

[Matt Rogers]

It does. And you know what? The thing about Bowen Yang wearing a wig and especially a mustache. Is it the mustache?

[Bowen Yang]

A mustache transforms me.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it does. You become sort of Dom top Bowen with a mustache, which we all appreciate.

[Lisa Rinna]

Wait, say that again. Dom.

[Matt Rogers]

Dom top Bowen.

[Lisa Rinna]

Dom top Bowen. Not usually. I got it now.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I just slow it down.

[Matt Rogers]

You can let the montage is really a vibe anyway. But basically, like, the wig of it all, like, does it looks really good.

[Lisa Rinna]

For you when you look like that? Does it change you slightly?

[Bowen Yang]

But I'm saying there is something transformative with you. I know.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's true. I agree. I agree. I look at myself like, who is that? Which I love. I love. Cause I want to be more than one. Lisa Rinna.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course.

[Lisa Rinna]

There should be many.

[Matt Rogers]

There should be. And there are.

[Lisa Rinna]

And there are. Like, they're all over the place. You can pick which one you want.

[Bowen Yang]

Even Eminem, for Christ's sake.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, speaking of characters, we were so excited when we found out what the culture that made you say culture was for you was. We found out in advance this time. So now we'll put it to you and we'll get into it. Lisa Rinna, what was the culture that made you say culture was for you?

[Lisa Rinna]

Dynasty.

[Matt Rogers]

And it's such a perfect answer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Dynasty. Dynasty.

[Bowen Yang]

Can I say, that answer ties together everything about you, doesn't it?

[Matt Rogers]

All of it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, there you go.

[Bowen Yang]

There you go right there. Do you know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

I do. Absolutely do. That changed my life.

[Bowen Yang]

Soaps, fashion, like, being a, like, housewife. Quote, unquote.

[Lisa Rinna]

Signing.

[Bowen Yang]

Yep.

[Lisa Rinna]

Grab, you know, cat fighting, Tactile. All of it. Who knew that that was gonna even be my destiny when I was watching it? Think about it.

[Bowen Yang]

But talk us through the encounter with it at first. Whatever memories you have of just, like, tuning into that show.

[Lisa Rinna]

I remember it was so life altering coming from this small town in Medford, Oregon, and seeing these icon, the glamour. Crystal and Alexis. Alexis.

[Matt Rogers]

Alexis.

[Lisa Rinna]

Alexis. I was gonna say Alexa, too. Crystal.

[Bowen Yang]

Dominique.

[Lisa Rinna]

Dominique.

[Bowen Yang]

Dominique Devereaux.

[Lisa Rinna]

Come on.

[Bowen Yang]

Diane Carroll.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was just so visually exciting. And then what they got to do and the emotions and everything, they were as women, we'd never seen anything like it. I'd never seen it.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course.

[Bowen Yang]

It felt like this, like, operatic thing where you had, like, Alexis standing on a balcony, like, showing the fucking documents, you know? Or was like, alexis and Diane.

[Matt Rogers]

The documents.

[Bowen Yang]

The documents. Or Alexis and Diane Carroll, like, saying, oh, champagne is burnt.

[Matt Rogers]

The champagne is burnt.

[Bowen Yang]

It's so burnt.

[Matt Rogers]

Must have been burned in the bottle.

[Bowen Yang]

Must have been frozen in the bottle.

[Lisa Rinna]

And the outfits, the glam, like, we had never seen anything like it. And it embodied such fabulousness that it was an escape. It was a challenge. It was. It was life.

[Bowen Yang]

And you knew it was a heightened reality that it was not on this planet. Because I'm gonna say, as someone who grew up there, it took place in Denver.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right, because it took place in Denver.

[Bowen Yang]

No one in Denver looked like that.

[Matt Rogers]

Of course, no one had. But here's what I'll say when you don't know, you believe it. You believe it when they say Denver. Because I'm from Long Island, I didn't know anything about Denver, really, until we met. You just bought that as a glamorous place, I think, because you see the mountains in your mind's eye. You know what I mean? It's like you sort of think of it as Colorado, right?

[Lisa Rinna]

And then if you thought Aspen. We didn't even know what Aspen was then, but it wasn't even then.

[Bowen Yang]

If it took place in Aspen, then.

[Matt Rogers]

I would have believed. They get a lot of real estate from, I think, people not knowing the difference between Denver, Denver and Aspen.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think so, too.

[Matt Rogers]

I think.

[Lisa Rinna]

And leave it to Aaron Spelling. I mean, really, come on, look what he's given us.

[Bowen Yang]

But so then, like, when you and I just keep going back to this quote, because I think it is really defining for you in a way that is powerful. Like when you think of making good tv, like, that's what you think of. You think of Dynasty, because that is the formative television.

[Lisa Rinna]

And it's also what I want to see. I think.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know, deep down, I want to see another Dynasty. Like, that's the escapism that I think if Housewives can get back to that, it's become a little bit mean.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, do you know when it got closest in the. In recent memory, and we talk about this scene all the time, is when you and Denise sat down at the end of that season. And I know this was a tough season, and I know that, like, this is probably a relationship that was meaningful to you at one point. And that makes it hard, hard, hard. But you guys really knew what your assignment was when you sat down on that couch and she said, you're playing dirty. And you said, oh, you're so angry. I mean, just the two of you were. You were doing that.

[Lisa Rinna]

And as viewers, it's true.

[Matt Rogers]

That must have been a weird thing, because it's like, here you are. And she's obviously like, you know, has a storied career in her own right and, like, came from, you know, similar projects. And then you're both on this show. It's a different vibe, it's a different flavor. But you're sitting there and you're on this couch, and you guys are both looking incredible, and you're looking each other in the eyes, and you're doing this chess game. And so it's like you getting to actualize this thing, but it's also personal.

[Lisa Rinna]

Exactly. Which made it so difficult.

[Bowen Yang]

Complicated.

[Lisa Rinna]

Super complicated. It's one thing if you're playing a character, you can go home. I was home, so I couldn't go home. I was sitting in my living room. But, you know, that's what was so complicated. And that scene went on for a good two and a half hours.

[Matt Rogers]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

You saw how much of it. Yeah, I don't even know. Really, really complicated. You know, I wouldn't wish working with any of my friends again in a situation like that, because I don't think it behooves anyone. It didn't serve any of us right. I don't think.

[Matt Rogers]

Ultimately.

[Lisa Rinna]

Not ultimately, no. It's better if you don't know people. Of course they want you to know people. So I feel that that's sad that we get into that situation on that show, and again, I go to, you know, I know how to make a good show, and that's my. I'm gonna do that. And then if your friendship gets in the way of that, which you've seen mine has a few times, it's just really sad, you know, at the end.

[Bowen Yang]

Of the day, I mean, this is where, like, the boundaries start to, you know, be so undefined. But the corollary to that is that you are able to have this beautiful, loving, wonderfully collaborative relationship with Harry now, where you guys have a podcast. But that's how you know, like, it's not. There's no mechanism that's, like, flawed within you. It's like, you know how to have a meaningful, loving relationship with someone that you work with.

[Lisa Rinna]

With Harry, Yes. And it's just. It's disappointing when that doesn't work out. But that's life, baby. You know, sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't.

[Matt Rogers]

And you can never be in someone's head. Like, I always sometimes think, like, oh, I wonder if they walked away from that scene thinking, well, we just nailed that. Even though, whatever.

[Lisa Rinna]

But, like, oh, it definitely wasn't that.

[Matt Rogers]

I'll tell you that. Well, also. And then obviously over time, things reveal themselves. And it's like you never really do know what people are going through, which is, you know, a sad reality about all of that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Truly what I love about you and Harry's relationship is that it feels incredibly authentic through the screen. And now also on the podcast, because on the podcast you can just listen. I listened to the episode when you had just come back from. From Traders, and I was like, listening, and I was like, I don't know this to be true. But I was like, I bet she's not telling him what happened, even behind closed doors.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, not at that point. He hadn't heard anything. You have to be careful too. Like how much. Cause he watches it also. Cause he doesn't want to hear about everything. And it also doesn't translate. Yeah, it doesn't translate very well when you're not there, when your partner's not there. And you've gone through a really intense experience because it's intense. I think anybody that you talk to that's gone to pellets.

[Matt Rogers]

It was the hardest thing you've done.

[Lisa Rinna]

Can you believe that? Challenging. Yeah, it's super, super, super challenging. I would say for me.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

Mm. A Ford Bronco is built for adventure, but you've gotta get behind the wheel. Can you? Yeah, you can. But you have to first.

[Bowen Yang]

You have to. And a Mustang. The Mustang that conquers curves.

[Matt Rogers]

You are more capable than you know. Like for example, I never thought I could parallel park. I just thought it wasn't something that was gonna happen for me in my life and not everyone gets to have every experience, you know. But then suddenly I did a parallel park and I thought, wow, I'm gonna apply to Harvard. I didn't get in, but I did parallel park.

[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

The middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[Bowen Yang]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke and sat back for five minutes. Total reset.

[Matt Rogers]

Right. There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It just hits.

[Bowen Yang]

It's my little me moment. Like, make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke, this is my taste. I feel like the traders is like, it's gonna be so exciting and I'm just like so excited for it. But just to talk about the podcast a little bit more. Cause I really do feel you and Harry are like such a stand the test of time thing. And what I really love about you guys is it does feel like still to this day you're like into each other.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, I would say we are. I would say after 33 years, isn't that crazy?

[Matt Rogers]

Was it always? Was it. What was it? What was the vibe at first? Cause he's Harry Hamlin.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, he's Harry Hamlin. He was Harry Hamlin at first. And I was. I was just starting and so I was a little bit starstruck when I first met him. Well, of course, you know, it was like, it's Harry Hamlin.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

I think people of our generation don't really understand that. He was like.

[Lisa Rinna]

He was a big deal.

[Matt Rogers]

He was like a Brad Pitt ish type.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. I mean, he was on a huge show that was watched by 30 million people. You know, Louisiana law was watched by 30 million people. There were three networks at the time. So it was this huge show. He'd been the sexiest man alive. He'd been in Clash of the Titans. He was really a big deal. And I was just like, oh, no, no, no. I just didn't even see myself in that position at all. So it took a minute. And he had just been divorced. He was just getting divorced. So that's not a real like, woo hoo. Yeah, I want that.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure, sure.

[Matt Rogers]

So then what?

[Lisa Rinna]

What?

[Matt Rogers]

I was scared of it.

[Bowen Yang]

What was like the initial sort of like the courtship. The courtship.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it was all fucked up, really. That's why it's so interesting that we ended up staying together. Because it wasn't like love at first sight. It wasn't like, it was complicated.

[Bowen Yang]

It was fraught.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was fraught. And it took time. I mean, we didn't get married for five and a half years.

[Matt Rogers]

Now. Is that because it was happening at a bizarre time in Hollywood as this, like, small town, like, as. You know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, it was just. He was fucked up from his marriage. He had just gotten out of it. Timing wasn't great. I mean, he'd been married twice. He didn't want to get married again. Like, I wasn't the stereotypical mother archetype.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure. Sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

That he usually would go for. So at first he was like, well, you're not what I'm used to. So it was challenging. We did not come right together. We fell in love. It took time. We became friends first. Like, he tried to get me to go to Aspen for Christmas and I said no.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I was like, too serious.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know you. Yeah, I'm gonna go home to my parents. Parents in Oregon.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, most women would go to Aspen with her. Like, could have been good for me.

[Matt Rogers]

I bet that made him want you more. Maybe.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. But it was authentic to me. It was just like, ew. I don't really know this guy. I mean, he was cute. He's gorgeous.

[Matt Rogers]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

But yet I was leery at first. I was a little. He drove a Porsche.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

And he was a little too, like, ostentatious, maybe.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, he was. And he was gorgeous. Right. And he was a big star at the time. And I just wasn't used to it. I was just like, I don't know. And then I got to know him. He called me every day for two weeks while he was in Aspen.

[Matt Rogers]

Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that's when I got to know him and thought, this is a really good guy.

[Bowen Yang]

I guess this is what we're asking. Like, you know, the beginnings of it, obviously tumultuous. But when you're talking about. Then we fell in love, what was that like? It was the calling every day for Masspen. Like, how did you get to know each other?

[Matt Rogers]

Cause that's what.

[Bowen Yang]

But that's what, like, laid the foundation for all this.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's it. Talking on the phone. Cause we didn't have anything else. You just had the phone. There were no cell phones. There was none of that. You just talked. We would call me and we would talk and we got to know each other over a two week period. I think he called every day. God love him.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Committed. And then when he came back, I said. He asked me out to dinner and I said yes. And then it Just blossomed from there because there was a sense of connection over. I like who you are. And I think he felt the same about me. You'd have to ask him. And so it blossomed from that now. Yes, he's always been hot and that's always helpful.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

When you have two people that. Two people that are attracted physically, chemicals react, it's helpful because down the line, you know, that's the first thing you start to devalue people. That's what happens in a relationship. It's very easy to do. They bug me. This is. And so we're very cognizant of that also. Like, if that starts to feel like it's happening, we'll go to therapy. We like, we work on it. Cause it's not easy.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you do therapy as like upkeep or do you do regular therapy?

[Lisa Rinna]

Both, depending. Like right now we're in therapy because I just feel we both were like, let's do it right now. We've kind of grown in separate directions doing a lot of things. We need to come back together. So helpful. And we're not afraid to do that.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, I would imagine too that it's also like when your kids not only grow up and become super successful and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Busy, then you're empty nesters too.

[Matt Rogers]

Not only empty nesters, but also empty nesters. And they're out there doing it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, they are. They're doing it. Thank God they're out there doing it.

[Matt Rogers]

In a major way.

[Lisa Rinna]

They are. And we're so proud. I mean, it's, you know, listen, that's what we are the most proud of is that I think that whatever we did. Cause you know, as a parent, you don't know what you're doing. You really don't. You just do the best you can to be there for your children and give them the best upbringing that you can. But you don't. I mean, come on. Our parents, who knew what they were doing, Seriously, like, we're all lucky to still be alive. It's God love.

[Matt Rogers]

You do realize that at some point, I think now I'm my dad when he had me and I was like, that's interesting. Thinking about myself having a kid right now. So much sympathy for them and a partner that's like, you know, someone that I. It's, it's.

[Lisa Rinna]

Think about it like, God love them, God bless them and God love them. And then listen, we have to figure out what happened to us. And then God forbid, what those poor kids are gonna have to go through in their own therapy. How we have, you know, helped them. But how? Also, we have given them, you know, bad habits. Who knows? It happens with everybody. But both of us, Harry and myself, feel that whatever we did. Cause we really don't know what we did. We turned out some good humans. Good human beings. Kind, compassionate, good girls. And I'm very proud of that.

[Matt Rogers]

Do they remain really close?

[Lisa Rinna]

They do now. They weren't for a minute. Those girls can fight, you know, Girls can love and then hate each other.

[Bowen Yang]

Cause what's the age difference again?

[Lisa Rinna]

Three years.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, it's just that Goldilocks zone where, like, they love it. They'll love each other forever. But also.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, we went through a couple years, and whoo.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very uncomfortable. But now they're very close back together. But they're sisters. You know what I mean? But super supportive of each other in this business that they're both in, which can be very tricky.

[Matt Rogers]

Is this still very, very competitive?

[Lisa Rinna]

Hell, yes. More than ever.

[Matt Rogers]

I just. I guess I never really. That world is still mysterious.

[Bowen Yang]

So foreign. Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it's foreign to me, too, to be honest with you.

[Matt Rogers]

You wouldn't even think that it fits you like a glove.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I love it. And I just jumped right into it, of course, to kind of watch it all and manage it all and. But I don't know. That world. It's a vicious world, actually. It is a vicious. And it's about how you look, honey. Period.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, period.

[Lisa Rinna]

But at the end of the day, it is about who you are. It is about your personality. It is how you work with people and how well you work with people. Because if you're to choose from, you know, 10 gorgeous, gorgeous, gorgeous women. Do you want to work with a cunt? Yeah, I don't know if I can say that, but I just like cunts. Do you want to work with a cunt or you want to work with somebody who's really cool and game and kind.

[Bowen Yang]

There you go.

[Lisa Rinna]

So.

[Matt Rogers]

And sometimes it's funny, too, like when you. Like, I've been watching. There's the new documentary on hbo, Max, about supermodels and.

[Lisa Rinna]

Which one?

[Matt Rogers]

There's one with Isabella Rossellini.

[Lisa Rinna]

Actually, no, I have not seen this.

[Matt Rogers]

Polina Porizkova, I believe, is on it. It's got Jerry Hall.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, I want to see.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, it's good. And it's really. It's. It's talking a lot about the aesthetic changing. Like, it's like from. From when modeling kind of started, like in the 40s, when it was really just, like, women, you know, trying on clothes, just so the clothes can be seen just to show things. And then it became more about, like, attitude, energy, vibe, the lifestyle.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right, yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Individuality in terms of the way you present the clothing, which leads into, you know, the Victoria's Secret of it all and like the et cetera. But it's just really interesting how personality, you know, like with Naomi Campbell, she has her reputation as being someone that's like, always late, a diva gonna throw something. But then it can't really be true because she's had the most lasting career of almost anyone in all of the entertainment industry.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

So it's like.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. It's really interesting to watch.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I have to say.

[Bowen Yang]

But I think for you, you get to enter this space with ease, I would say, because you have a point of view already. And the reason we all love fashion as actors is because you are playing a character. Again, not all the models understand that you have to find a way in that way.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Bowen Yang]

It might not be playing a character, but you already have a built in mechanism to be like, I'm gonna put the clothes on. I'm gonna be someone else. I'm gonna be Pedro Pascal in a protective doll's T shirt. You know what I mean?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes, I do.

[Matt Rogers]

What was your favorite of the looks to wear at the Culture Awards?

[Lisa Rinna]

So hard to choose because I loved every single one of them.

[Bowen Yang]

Besides your own that you.

[Matt Rogers]

Besides the one that you wanted. What was that?

[Bowen Yang]

What was that?

[Matt Rogers]

What was that? Yeah, what was that?

[Bowen Yang]

Archival Schiaparelli.

[Lisa Rinna]

No.

[Bowen Yang]

Or something.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, you wore Schiaparelli on the carpet.

[Lisa Rinna]

I did some random.

[Bowen Yang]

Yes.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a name I couldn't even tell you right now.

[Bowen Yang]

Stunning.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was so fun, right?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah, that was so good.

[Matt Rogers]

So funny.

[Lisa Rinna]

Schiaparelli was on the red card.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, we loved.

[Lisa Rinna]

I. I think Pedro was my favorite at the end of the day. I do. I mean, I love Timothy also.

[Matt Rogers]

Timothy did great.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was so fun to embody the vibe that I thought was him.

[Bowen Yang]

You nailed it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I had so much fun. I went for it. I did. I was like, I'm gonna be these characters. It was so funny backstage getting ready because I was very particular. It had to look a certain way. And they wanted to throw like this kind of strange Gaultier on me. And I was like, no, it's not right. And so I ended up drawing on the one for Timothy because the one. Cause his was pretty sparse and the one they had was thick. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. And the makeup artist didn't want to hand me the pencil. And I was like, no, you have to just let me do it. And I just did it. And then it worked out. I had to do it. The right. Had to be perfect in my mind.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, yeah. You have to subconsciously feel comfortable in that.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's right. Otherwise you can't come out as fully as you did.

[Matt Rogers]

I just remember, like, we were. We were, like, putting it together, and it was in the script that the first one was gonna be Demi Moore's yellow coat and the substance. And I remember you came out looking so exactly like her. I was like, is this the right first one? Because it looks like to me, I was like, are people gonna know that's Lisa Rinna?

[Lisa Rinna]

That's it for me right there.

[Matt Rogers]

That I was like. I was like, is it. Should we switch it because. Or should we have it come out, like, so that people can really establish that it's Lisa Rinna? Because the Culture Awards is so. And I say this with love for us. It's so dumb that, like, it's like.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's so funny.

[Matt Rogers]

If anything could have been. Anything could have been a joke at any time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

So I was like, are people gonna think that's Demi? Cause it looks like Demi.

[Bowen Yang]

Right, right.

[Matt Rogers]

But then, like, honestly, I'm so happy because it landed her.

[Lisa Rinna]

It just worked, I'm telling you.

[Matt Rogers]

And it established what the joke was.

[Lisa Rinna]

It did. It just worked. Yeah. And, you know, it's funny because I didn't know what I was gonna be doing. Right. And then I went to go do Traitors, and then I. Oh, you had.

[Matt Rogers]

Just come back from Traders.

[Lisa Rinna]

I had just come back, and when I'd come back, they told me what I was doing. So when I went, I knew I was gonna be doing, but I didn't know till I came back. And I'll never forget getting the visuals and screaming out loud. I was so excited. It was like, one of the first things. And I was like, this is like a dream come true. I loved it so much. And, of course, Demi was the first image.

[Matt Rogers]

It was actually in our. Do you know Demi?

[Lisa Rinna]

I know her, yes. I mean, I don't know her.

[Matt Rogers]

She posted it super well. I posted it.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know she did. I know she did.

[Bowen Yang]

Incredible.

[Lisa Rinna]

Come on. When that happened, you go, okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Thank God.

[Bowen Yang]

And then Pedro commented on the Pedro one too.

[Lisa Rinna]

He certainly did.

[Matt Rogers]

He did. He did.

[Bowen Yang]

I didn't see that Pedro saw the Pedro one.

[Lisa Rinna]

We did.

[Matt Rogers]

He did.

[Lisa Rinna]

He did. Oh, it's such a thrill.

[Matt Rogers]

Still waiting for comment from Timothy. Timothy and Hot girl getting coffee and then eating.

[Bowen Yang]

Hot girl getting. Hot girl getting coffee.

[Lisa Rinna]

This was freedom, honey. I could just go and play. Thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

I will say, the only thing that was cut out after some pushback was you in the Pedro outfit kissing Andy Cohen.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know.

[Bowen Yang]

And that was a special moment that we got on camera, but unfortunately, we had to lose from. From the broadcast. I know, but it was a very important moment.

[Matt Rogers]

It was literally just like a banner. Had to be there.

[Bowen Yang]

I know.

[Matt Rogers]

We had to stop Casamigos. At the end of the day, everything.

[Lisa Rinna]

Happens for a reason. And at the end of the day, I was okay with it all because I did it there. Like, we had that moment. It was kind of a nice power play switch that I came up with at the very. I don't even know how I came up with that at the last minute.

[Matt Rogers]

I loved it. How are you and Andy now?

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, we're good. I mean, we're. I've been good with Andy. I'm good. You're good. And then you're, you know, you're not good, and you're good. I've always been pretty good with Andy. Like, I'm not afraid to say, you know what? I didn't like that you just said that to me on your show that we just did on your radio show. And he'll be like, oh, I thought you really liked that. And I was like, no, I didn't, and here's why. Or he'll say to me something, criticism, and I'll take it, and I'll be like, you know, you're right. So we have that relationship conflict and resolution.

[Bowen Yang]

But that's something that you learned from the show.

[Lisa Rinna]

I certainly did.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's something that you can both handle as adults.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think so. And Andy and I, I think, always have been in on the joke. In a sense. I have respect for him, and I think he has respect for me. And so we have that mutual respect that over. That pre. Succeeds or. What's the word?

[Bowen Yang]

Precedes or precedes or supersedes.

[Lisa Rinna]

Supersedes. That's the word. Supersedes all the bull. Because the rest of it's all bullshit at the end of the day, anyway.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Bowen Yang]

How about it's a long life? You know what I mean? It's like.

[Lisa Rinna]

It is.

[Bowen Yang]

Hopefully you're gonna see him at, like, your daughter's wedding or something.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, well, if he's lucky.

[Matt Rogers]

No, I feel like. But I also feel like the thing. The thing with. The thing with, like, your relationship with him, too, and, like, And I feel like you. You and like the whole Housewives of it all, which is why the Bravo thing with the Culture Awards felt so good, is because it does feel like you're done with all of that. And it feels like something that's, like, in your past is a completed thing, at least. Being a housewife.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, yes.

[Matt Rogers]

You know, and I feel like there's this. Oftentimes this idea from the fan community which is like, oh, they want to come back, or they must want to come back. As if it can't be a conscious choice to leave that show. But I feel like with you, you've shown that. Like, and obviously from being such an industry figure for such a long time, like, this was a chapter. It had its ups and downs, and that is gonna be what it is and it's learned from. And now you're moving forward. And I feel like a lot of the fan community almost doesn't know what to do with the fact that someone might not wanna come back and be a Real Housewife.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's true. And, you know, I have great affection. Even though it's a difficult show to do, I have great affection for those eight years and what is. What it brought to me and what it brought to my career and how now, which is very interesting, I'm doing endorsements and things that have to do with the things that I said on that show that became moments. So I'm like, thank you. Wow. Ka ching, ka ching. Like, it just keeps moving on because people enjoyed that. They like those moments. They get a kick out of it. They're entertained by it. So. So at the end of the day, it was a great thing.

[Bowen Yang]

It was the investment. It was the real estate. You took your time in that lot. You know what I mean?

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And it runs its course, I think, for everyone. And it's kind of, you know, there'll come a day for everyone, even for Kyle Richards. Do you know what I mean? When you've been on from the beginning where you have to make the decision, do I continue or do I take a risk and go out there? It's very hard for most housewives to do that, you know, because it is steady gig.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

That's the thing, too, is it's work.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's a check, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

It's structure. I know what my fall's gonna look like because I've been doing this every day.

[Lisa Rinna]

Right. And there's something really comforting and also challenging if you've been doing it for a long time, you know, to get excited about it. But at the end of the day. I wouldn't change a thing. I wouldn't. I wouldn't change a thing. I would do it again. Oh, I wouldn't do it again right now.

[Bowen Yang]

Right.

[Lisa Rinna]

You know what I mean? Like, it's part of my history. It's part of just, like, Veronica Mars, just like Melrose Place and Days of Our Lives. Like, everything I've done has brought me here, and it's exciting to see what's next.

[Bowen Yang]

You know, we're talking about this with our other guests, but it's like the through line comes into view after the fact, which is always weird.

[Lisa Rinna]

It really does.

[Bowen Yang]

Isn't it true the Dynasty is like, the perfect origin spot for you, where it all connects to everything that comes after. I will say just before we do it on. Thanks, Sony. I will bring it back to our first meeting, which was. I was in.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes. We met.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, this was great.

[Lisa Rinna]

We met.

[Bowen Yang]

It was intermission for Sweeney Todd.

[Lisa Rinna]

I remember, like, it was yesterday.

[Bowen Yang]

Like, it was yesterday. I was waiting for my friend Hunter, and I was just, like, on my phone, just downstairs in the bathroom, waiting in line.

[Lisa Rinna]

We were in line. Or I'd come out of the bathroom.

[Bowen Yang]

I was waiting, and then you would come out of the bathroom. And then. And then I get a tap on my shoulder, and I look up and I go. I was like, oh, it's basically someone maybe wanting a picture or something. I look up and my jaw dropped. It was Lisa looking so chic. And Prada. Bucket hat. Bucket hat, big shades, huge coverage shades, looking stunning.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God.

[Matt Rogers]

No.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was literally Sweeney Tom. I, like, dressed down. I'm going to the theater, you know, wearing Prada.

[Bowen Yang]

You're dressed down with wearing Prada. And I was like, oh, I'm just such a fan. And I just love it so much.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God.

[Bowen Yang]

I remember it like it was yesterday.

[Lisa Rinna]

So do I.

[Matt Rogers]

Anyway, it was just to see you.

[Lisa Rinna]

And to meet you in person. I'm such a huge fan. Are you kidding? You're a genius.

[Bowen Yang]

Stop.

[Matt Rogers]

At least you are.

[Bowen Yang]

Stop staring.

[Lisa Rinna]

I was like, oh, my God. I'm meeting Boeing.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God.

[Lisa Rinna]

So we had the same moment.

[Bowen Yang]

We had the same moment. And so I wanted to. And I. Cause you're a fan of theater.

[Lisa Rinna]

I love it, love it, love it.

[Bowen Yang]

I think we gotta see you back on the boards again sometime.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Can we see you back on the boards?

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. You know what I thought of the other day? I'm not sure I could do it. I'm not sure it would even be in my capacity at this point. But you know what came up? The emcee in Cabaret, which is usually played by a man.

[Matt Rogers]

A man. How did it come up?

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know. It just popped into my head.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that it would be cool for you to do.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Someone was talking about the different ways in which you can take that role, and someone said that it wouldn't be out of a question for a woman to do it. I was like, that would be really interesting. I think there was even someone who said they wanted to do it, and then they ended up playing Sally Bowles. I'm losing it right now.

[Bowen Yang]

I mean, not to. To put this out there and, like, put pressure on anybody but Lisa Rinna as Mary Todd Lincoln.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, that would be insane. Have you seen. Oh, Mary?

[Bowen Yang]

I don't.

[Lisa Rinna]

Have I seen it? Are you kidding? I hadn't thought of that.

[Bowen Yang]

That would be a pretty good fit.

[Matt Rogers]

I love it.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God. It really could, but it's a hard roll, isn't it?

[Bowen Yang]

I think you could do it really hard. You memorize 40 pages of dialogue a day on Days of Our Lives.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, my God. Well, I be going back to Broadway. I might be. I just might be.

[Bowen Yang]

This was the origin.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it always starts somewhere it starts. That's not a bad idea.

[Bowen Yang]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Lisa Rinna]

You never know.

[Bowen Yang]

Let's put it out there.

[Lisa Rinna]

You never, ever, ever know.

[Matt Rogers]

Cole, if you're listening, you know they.

[Bowen Yang]

Don'T cast it, but they don't cast it.

[Matt Rogers]

I'm sure they have a heavy hand in deciding.

[Bowen Yang]

Anything else to talk about before we do onto the.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm trying to think.

[Matt Rogers]

Do you want to say. Do you have anything you want to say about Veronica Morris?

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, my God. Just. I mean, what a stacked show. Between. Obviously, Kristen Bell gave birth to Kristen Bell. Amanda Z. I freeze first roll after Mean Girl.

[Lisa Rinna]

And Harry kills her. Yeah, Harry kills her.

[Bowen Yang]

Harry kills her.

[Lisa Rinna]

Harry kills her.

[Matt Rogers]

So Veronica Mars, you probably have, like. I would imagine that, like, you get people coming up and they. Here they come, and you can imagine different. You can imagine what they're gonna say. And then when they say Veronica Mars, that has to be a special.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, I like that one. I like the Veronica Mars and the Entourage.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, we're Entourage.

[Bowen Yang]

We're not Entourage. Guys are.

[Matt Rogers]

We used to watch Entourage every now and then.

[Lisa Rinna]

You have to somehow YouTube it and see it. It's really funny.

[Matt Rogers]

Probably HBO Max has it.

[Bowen Yang]

Probably.

[Lisa Rinna]

Definitely somewhere you can see it. It's not a big. It's not huge. It's memorable, though. It's A memorable. It's a memorable, memorable episode for sure. I will say I get to be really sassy. Oh, are you kidding? I just had Amelia. I can't remember how old she was, but she was very young. And my agent at the time was like, you have to do this. And it's really nasty and quite saucy and all of it. And I was a new mother, and I was like, I can't do this. There's no way. I mean, now, of course I wouldn't. I'd be like, fine, here.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, here we go. Let's go. Here we go.

[Lisa Rinna]

But at that time, I was like, I just can't do this. It's like I'm too vulnerable. He's like, you're doing it. I don't care what you say, It's Entourage and you're doing it. And so I did it.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's fine.

[Matt Rogers]

I know I gotta do the rewind. So that was around a time when, like, we had HBO on Demand when I was younger. And I remember my parents would leave, my parents would leave, and I would mainline Sex and the City. And then Entourage was kind of like Sex and the City for boys. It was so clearly I was not that into it. I was like, I want to watch this other thing. But I peaked in on some episodes. I used to think Kevin Connolly was hot.

[Lisa Rinna]

They were all pretty good, and they were so nice. It was great. It was fun. It's super raunchy.

[Bowen Yang]

Foreign.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Bowen Yang]

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With Xfinity, you can boost the WI fi to your device only. So when you go to upload 200 photos of that cat in a cute little Santa hat, you won't see that dreaded failed to upload message. Not this season. Not with Xfinity WiFi. And what if you had a way to make sure family time during the holidays had zero distractions? With Xfinity WI Fi, you can pause the kids wifi and enjoy those special moments together.

[Bowen Yang]

And if you're wondering what other parental instincts your wifi has during during this busy season, Xfinity protects your kids when they're online so you know they're safe. Even if you're busy making cocoa or taste testing cookies.

[Matt Rogers]

What? Someone has to make sure there's exactly the same amount of chocolate chips in each cookie. And what if your wifi could proactively fix issues before they even happen? Well, that's exactly what Xfinity WiFi does. Like the friend who shows up with extra wrapping paper, bows, and tape before you even realize you're out. Because, let's be honest, you never buy enough.

[Bowen Yang]

Bottom line, Xfinity WiFi isn't just smart, it's brilliant. And during the holidays, that brilliance, that's a gift. Xfinity. Imagine that.

[Matt Rogers]

You ever just stop in the middle of a crazy day and realize, wow, I needed a break.

[Bowen Yang]

It literally happened to me yesterday. I cracked open a Diet Coke, sat back for five minutes. Total reset, right?

[Matt Rogers]

There's something about the crispy, refreshing taste of an ice cold Diet Coke. It just hits.

[Bowen Yang]

It's my little me moment. Like, make time for a Diet Coke break, you know?

[Matt Rogers]

Exactly. Diet Coke is the perfect companion for all break moments. Diet Coke. This is my taste. Okay, I think it's time we're transitioning into I don't think so, honey. This is our one minute segment where we take that long to absolutely tear something up in culture. Mine, it's a throwback, but it's relevant.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay, okay, okay. This is Matt Rogers. I don't think someone needs time. Starts now.

[Matt Rogers]

I don't think so, honey. Years ago, my parents took me to Los Angeles, California, after I graduated college. I had never been there before, and we went on celebrity homes tour in one of those Jeep safaris. And the guy was from New Zealand, and he was riding us down by the Beverly Hills Hotel. And I don't think so, honey, that he almost killed me and my family trying to track down Adrian Greiner. He said, it's Adrian Grenier from Entourage, and this is my sort of New Zealand accent. And he gunned it as hard as he could flying through. He literally pulled up next to this car. It was not Adrian Grenier.

[Bowen Yang]

No.

[Matt Rogers]

So what I want to say is, I don't think so, honey. To any of these people out there on the roads with families of four in the back, they don't know who Adrian Greiner is. Okay, First I want to say that, second of all, you can't kill me trying to see Adrian Grenier. You can kill me trying to run down and see, like, I don't know. At the time, he was like, Justin Bieber. It was all about Bieber.

[Bowen Yang]

It was about Bieber.

[Matt Rogers]

Sure. I can't die trying to track down Adrian Grenier from Entourage. Not with my one precious life, real or fake.

[Bowen Yang]

And that's one minute.

[Matt Rogers]

I'll never forget my first trip to Hollywood. Wow.

[Lisa Rinna]

Did you buy the map?

[Matt Rogers]

We did the whole thing.

[Bowen Yang]

The whole thing.

[Matt Rogers]

It was. I'm telling you, we did that. You know, those tacky, like, safari Jeep cars. We got in one. I was mortified. Cause I was like, oh, God. Like, me thinking, at some point, maybe I'll be one of these people. Like, I wouldn't want to, like, hunt them down. My parents wanted to go. It actually was kind of interesting. We were like, this is Christina Aguilera's house. It used to be Ossie Osbourne's house. Like, I was like, oh, that's interesting. Then when we almost died, you were like. I was like, get me out of here. And the guy wasn't even Adrian Greiner.

[Bowen Yang]

Gosh.

[Matt Rogers]

But I. Matt Rogers almost died in a car trying to find.

[Bowen Yang]

And we're so happy you've lived.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah. And that was a really good full circle to bring that together with the entourage.

[Matt Rogers]

Entourage.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very good. Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Bringing back theories.

[Lisa Rinna]

Very good.

[Bowen Yang]

Very good.

[Matt Rogers]

Paparazzi culture.

[Bowen Yang]

I've got a bit of a throwback as well.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

This is a hard one, by the way, you guys.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it's very hard. Especially when we've stick in the heart.

[Lisa Rinna]

This was hard.

[Matt Rogers]

Oftentimes we'll do, like, two or three in a day, and it becomes really difficult.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Ultimately you do, I find, always have something to complain about.

[Lisa Rinna]

I think you do.

[Matt Rogers]

All right, so this is bone yangs. I don't think so. Anytime sorts.

[Bowen Yang]

I don't think so, honey. That they have since closed the restaurant where the Amsterdam trip happened on the Beverly Hills episode. That is a historical site. That is next to another historical site, which is the Anne Frank house. But anyone who goes to Amsterdam now cannot go to the site of the restaurant where Lisa Rinna broke the glass and waved it in front of Kim Richards face.

[Matt Rogers]

And Kyle fled.

[Bowen Yang]

And Kyle fled. And we need to reenact the Kyle fleeing scene. When you're in Amsterdam, that's like, what we, as gay men want to.

[Matt Rogers]

To do in this day and age.

[Bowen Yang]

But we can't do it anymore. And now you go to the Anne Frank house. It's a bunch of teens with their little hoverboards loitering by the river. We. It could have been overrun with gay men and gorgeous women wanting to see that historic site, that amazing moment in Housewives history. It's just gone now. We need to commemorate and landmark these places or else we will lose history. And history is the only that we have or Else it will repeat itself or rhyme.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. Wow. It's closed. After you've heard that you used to be able to do Anne Frank House and that in one day. And now you can.

[Bowen Yang]

And now you can't.

[Matt Rogers]

And now you can't.

[Lisa Rinna]

I have people sending me, like, the area that it is, but it's not there.

[Bowen Yang]

It's not there.

[Lisa Rinna]

The area or something else is there. Now I know they're sending it.

[Matt Rogers]

Have you seen the, like, ASMR whispered version of it?

[Lisa Rinna]

Seen it and heard it all.

[Bowen Yang]

Genius.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, he's so funny. So genius. It is one of the funniest. You know, I enjoy these things. I will never not enjoy this. It is so funny to me. Are you kidding me?

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

It is some of the greatest television ever made that we didn't even know we were making.

[Matt Rogers]

She does support you guys.

[Lisa Rinna]

It was five minutes. We sat down. It happened five minutes later. You don't know that.

[Matt Rogers]

So wait, that was a quick scene.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, we came into this restaurant to sit down. You would think that we had been sitting there for a long time. Got your drinks, we sat down, and five minutes later, that happened.

[Bowen Yang]

That's the editing. Cause they cut to all the talking heads, they cut to the confessionals, we.

[Lisa Rinna]

Sit down, and boom, the whole conversation starts. I mean, it took a minute to get to the glass.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure, sure, sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

We didn't have drinks even. I mean, I think they brought them as we were talking. You didn't see them.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

But when I sat down five minutes later, that whole conversation started. And I would probably say 10 more minutes in, so 15 more minutes, I was across the table.

[Bowen Yang]

Wow.

[Matt Rogers]

I always wonder, like, do they take your food order beforehand?

[Lisa Rinna]

They do now.

[Matt Rogers]

They do now.

[Lisa Rinna]

They didn't then.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay.

[Lisa Rinna]

They used to take it, like, a couple days before.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think food ever came at that point.

[Matt Rogers]

No, it didn't take that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Year of the show, you never ate. There's no food. Like, there might be food, but you're lucky. Hence the, you know, most of the drinking. I hadn't even had a glass of wine. I was not drunk.

[Bowen Yang]

But they worked you up. She worked Kim, worked you up.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, it didn't take long. It was already building, though. You know, it's the kind of thing that, you know, she was vibing me on the plane. We already had, like, really, like, it was bubbling, bubbling, bubbling, bubbling. And I'll never forget. Cause she's, like, right here. Like, she's pretty far.

[Matt Rogers]

Let's not talk about the husband.

[Lisa Rinna]

When she started in on that, I was already. And you're jet lagged. Of course you're jet lagged. I'm not gonna blame it on that. But you're, like, jet lagged. And you're not at your best. But I'll never forget her just poking and poking. And me thinking to myself, okay, that's it. And I remember flying across the table and stopping myself mid lunge. And this is what I said. And most people have never heard this. I said to myself, if you touch her, you're going to jail in Amsterdam. You're in Amsterdam.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Remember that part?

[Lisa Rinna]

So then I pull back and I had so much rage that I picked up the glass and smashed it.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah. Good tv.

[Matt Rogers]

Did you just see her at Alexia's wedding?

[Lisa Rinna]

Nope. She wasn't there.

[Matt Rogers]

She wasn't there?

[Lisa Rinna]

No, but I've seen her. And we have, like, worked through. I've worked through most of it with most of them. Because you have to. I don't want to carry that.

[Bowen Yang]

You're a human being.

[Lisa Rinna]

We're all humans. We were doing the best we could at the time. Whatever. But I've always already had that. I've worked through it with Kathy Hilton. All is fine.

[Matt Rogers]

It feels like that must have gotten calmer because it all calmed down between Kathy and Kyle.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yes.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And that's where it all began. It all began.

[Matt Rogers]

Are you okay with Garcelle? Or is that kind of in the past, too? Now who.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, here we go. This is Lisa Rinna. Do you have something?

[Lisa Rinna]

I said almost everyone.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, almost everyone.

[Lisa Rinna]

I mean, she's fine.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I feel really sad about this. I know this. Sutton and Garcello. At the end there, I was really. That didn't feel great.

[Lisa Rinna]

Two people I knew before. See, it never works when I know you.

[Bowen Yang]

When you know them before.

[Lisa Rinna]

Think about it. Denise, Sutton, Garcelle.

[Matt Rogers]

That's a bummer.

[Lisa Rinna]

Didn't work with the people that I actually knew and I didn't.

[Bowen Yang]

Sure.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I knew Kyle before, so that worked.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay.

[Bowen Yang]

But there are exceptions.

[Lisa Rinna]

I'm gonna try one. I don't know if I.

[Matt Rogers]

You're gonna do great.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't know if I actually have it, but since we're on Amsterdam, I'm gonna go down a road there.

[Matt Rogers]

Okay. Let's go.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay. I'm gonna try it. And what do I say?

[Matt Rogers]

First? You say, I don't think so, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

Honey.

[Matt Rogers]

And then I'll put you on the clock.

[Bowen Yang]

This is Lisa Rainers. I don't think so, honey. Her time Starts now.

[Lisa Rinna]

I don't think so, honey. We're in Amsterdam and we're going around and we're walking around. And yes, there are sex clubs and there are women in the windows and whatnot. And everyone is like, hey, let's go into this because I want to see a woman shit a banana out of her vagina.

[Bowen Yang]

Yeah.

[Lisa Rinna]

And I'm like, I don't think so, honey. But I had no choice. It was like two in the morning. And so we go downstairs into this cave, into this club. And I'm already. I think I've already done the broken glass part and I'm already traumatized.

[Bowen Yang]

Damn.

[Lisa Rinna]

And they're like, you really need to see this. This woman shoots a banana out of her vagina.

[Matt Rogers]

It's been at night.

[Lisa Rinna]

Like, I don't really need to see it. And sure enough, this woman takes a little banana. It's not even a big banana, it's this little banana. And she somehow shoots it across the room at her vagina. I never, honey, needed to see that ever in my life. I can't get it out of my mind. And I wish I said, no, fuckers. I'm not gonna see the banana come out of the vagina in Amsterdam. And that's that. No, thank you, honey. Ever again.

[Matt Rogers]

And that's one minute. Who was the ringleader on that? Erika Jayne.

[Lisa Rinna]

The producers. No, Erika wasn't there yet.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, yeah. This was pre Erika by. She would've been ready to go.

[Lisa Rinna]

She would have. It was. I was a group of us. We were bored. We weren't even filming. I was gonna say they couldn't get.

[Bowen Yang]

The cameras down there, so why would.

[Lisa Rinna]

The cameras do go down?

[Matt Rogers]

The producers were like, oh, we saw it.

[Lisa Rinna]

They went down in Aspen and they went down here for the banana. Shooting out of the vagina.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. Well, that would have been good to see.

[Bowen Yang]

It would have been great to see.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, it would have been actually very exciting. It wasn't. No, honey.

[Bowen Yang]

You still think about it, which is tough. It's like a stress dream that you're gonna have.

[Lisa Rinna]

I should never have seen it. I should have closed my eyes and said, no, no.

[Bowen Yang]

Damn.

[Lisa Rinna]

There you go.

[Matt Rogers]

Listen.

[Bowen Yang]

Well, you're stronger because of it. You are.

[Matt Rogers]

There are no regrets. You said no regrets from that time. And that includes that.

[Lisa Rinna]

Well, I feel like I've seen a lot.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah. I mean, this has been such a joy.

[Lisa Rinna]

I know. I was, like, so excited. I was like, I can't wait to come and play with the boys because I feel like it's just so Easy with you. And thank you again for the award show. It was the time of my life. It changed a lot of things. Just so you guys know. I'm gonna tell you, my agents were like, I'm telling you, that show has raised your value, and everyone is calling they love. Like, I was like, that's all you guys at this point.

[Matt Rogers]

That is all.

[Lisa Rinna]

So thank you.

[Bowen Yang]

That's all, you know.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, listen, I.

[Lisa Rinna]

No, you gave me the opportunity, and I just had fun doing it. So thank you.

[Matt Rogers]

We have enjoyed you in all of your forms in this entertainment industry. Watching you now, getting to meet you is so fun, and we're just, like, so happy to meet you. And I don't know if I told you this, but our best friend Jared, years ago, was walking in Fryman Canyon, and he would always run into you. And he had a dog. And I guess Harry went down one time to pet the dog. And Jared said to Harry Hamlin, hey, congrats on the sauce. And I always thought that was the funniest thing ever. I was like, that Harry Hamlin, now, like superstar Harry Hamlet, is now being congratulated about the sauce for his sauce.

[Lisa Rinna]

It's the truth. He said, people stop him and say, where's Lisa? And I love your sauce. And congrats on the sauce. Wait, how want.

[Matt Rogers]

Yeah, okay. We want the sauce.

[Lisa Rinna]

Oh, you can. I'll send you the sauce.

[Matt Rogers]

Well, that would be amazing. We love Bolognese.

[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, there's Bolognese. Now there's marinara. There's vodka sauce. Now there's four.

[Bowen Yang]

I love it.

[Lisa Rinna]

And they just got into Gelson's.

[Matt Rogers]

Come on.

[Lisa Rinna]

Congratulations. He got into Gelson's.

[Matt Rogers]

Oh, my God. He got into Gelson's.

[Bowen Yang]

That's really breaking through in Hollywood. You're getting into Gelson's.

[Matt Rogers]

That one on Franklin. That's my Gelson's. I'm gonna go there.

[Lisa Rinna]

Got into 30 Gelsons. So it's beginning. Isn't that cute?

[Matt Rogers]

What's the name of the sauce?

[Lisa Rinna]

Harry's Famous.

[Matt Rogers]

Harry's Famous.

[Lisa Rinna]

You can get [e-mail] or Amazon right now until you can get it in Gelson's and then God knows where else.

[Matt Rogers]

And we didn't even get into qvc. Lisa Rinn.

[Bowen Yang]

Oh, that's fast for next time.

[Lisa Rinna]

Next time. We have a lot fast for next time. Listen, we have a lot to say. I obviously have much I could have ranted on that. I could rant on a lot of things, but the banana was good.

[Bowen Yang]

You'll be back.

[Matt Rogers]

The Banana was great. Let's Not Talk about the Husband is a podcast presented by Dear Media. Thank you for listening and Harry Hamlin. It's really fun. If you miss watching those interactions on tv, you can hear them every week in your ears. And do you know when the Traitors comes out?

[Lisa Rinna]

It's January.

[Matt Rogers]

That's what I love about Traitors 2 is it premieres right after the new.

[Bowen Yang]

Year and it always feels like, yeah, we're starting.

[Matt Rogers]

Like our year can start.

[Lisa Rinna]

Yeah, just you wait.

[Bowen Yang]

Okay.

[Matt Rogers]

Amazing.

[Lisa Rinna]

That's all I'm gonna say. Well, just you wait.

[Matt Rogers]

Every episode with a song.

[Bowen Yang]

Come on, babe, why don't we paint the town.

[Matt Rogers]

And all that jazz? I'm gonna rouge my knees and roll my stockings down and all that jazz. And if you wanna hear more of that, you can see Chicago on Broadway. It's not going anywhere. Hello is me.

[Bowen Yang]

Las Colduristas is a production by Will Ferrell's Big Money Players and iHeartRadio podcasts.

[Matt Rogers]

Created and hosted by Matt Rogers and Bowen Yang, executive produced by Anna Hosnier.

[Bowen Yang]

And produced by Decca Ramos, edited and mixed by Doug Bain and our music.

[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Bowen Yang]

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[Lisa Rinna]

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[Matt Rogers]

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[Lisa Rinna]

Okay, only 10 more presents to wrap.

[Matt Rogers]

Crap.

[Lisa Rinna]

You're almost at the finish line. But first, There the last one. Enjoy a Coca Cola for a pause that refreshes. This is an iHeart podcast. Guaranteed Human.