
Henry & Eddie sit down with special guests - writers and directors of a24's "Talk To Me" and the brand new film "Bring Her Back" - Danny & Michael Philippou aka Rackaracka join the show to discuss the twisted new follow-up to their 2022 horror breakout, we find out if and how the two films are connected, and take a peek into the possible future of the Talk to Me Universe. BRING HER BACK. IN THEATERS NOW! #bringherback #a24
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Danny Filippo
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Mike Filippo
Blah.
Danny Filippo
Head to the store for Pebbles. Yabba dabba doo. Fruity pebbles. Less blah, more yabba dabba doo. Pick up pebble cereal today. Yabba dabba doo. And the Flintstones and all related characters and elements copyright and trademark Hanna Barbera.
D
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Unknown Host
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D
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Unknown Host
Guys, I'm so happy you're here. Are we rolling?
Mike Filippo
Testing. Unosto. Estres. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello. Sometimes we get suddenly loud.
D
Yeah, that's what we do.
Unknown Host
Yeah. It's our jobs. Oh, very much so. So first of all, if you had anything negative to say about our president, Donald Trump. I'm sorry, I just wanted to just check. I just. I just wanted to check at the very top, just in case you're having issues traveling back and forth.
D
Oh, my God.
Mike Filippo
We've got a visa. We have a. Are actually, we're visens.
Unknown Host
Oh, wow.
Mike Filippo
Very nice. Yes.
Unknown Host
Well, I have an American Express.
D
Yes. And I'm.
Mike Filippo
Oh, and you can get into certain clubs that.
Unknown Host
What's that all about?
Mike Filippo
There's lounges that you can't get into at the airports.
Unknown Host
It's called capitalism.
Mike Filippo
Do you have the card? And I was like, I do. What? I've got a business class flight. Like you can't get in.
Unknown Host
They want to make sure, you know, there's a place you can't get into in Australia.
D
If you just have a good enough ticket, they'll let you in here. They tell you to go screw.
Mike Filippo
There's like, there's like different clubs you can get in for 65 doll. No, you can't get him for $65. Do you want to step outside? Do you want to get knocked out right here?
Unknown Host
This is the kind of juice we need. Welcome to Last Podcast and love. We have a very special episode here. We have two of one of my newest, truly favorite movie creators. What you guys are doing is out of this world. The new movie Bring Her Back is coming out. It's now. It's out now, right?
D
Yes.
Unknown Host
By the time you hear this, it's out now. Bring her back. The directors of Talk to me as well. Danny Filippo and Mike Michael Filippo. Welcome. Hello.
Mike Filippo
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having us. Yes. Live studio audience. Here we have two people in the back here.
Unknown Host
Yes, we. Oh, yeah, the Rob is a producer. We got the gals making sure that you don't say anything too horrible. Our goal is to make you say horrible things. Yes.
D
We're in a constant battle. So before we get started, I just want to say I've. I love horror movies. Horror movies are probably my favorite genre of movies. I have been terrified to watch Talk to Me, and I haven't watched it. I specifically did not watch this movie because I'm like, this scares the out of me. I want nothing to do with this. I watched it last night with my wife and you. My wife had to sit there and see that. What is wrong with you?
Mike Filippo
I'm sorry. I don't know what's wrong with me. Yeah.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
I don't know. You know, you just. You got to get the doctors out somehow. Yeah.
D
And then this morning. Morning, I woke up 7am bright and early to see Bring Her Back.
Unknown Host
Perfect breakfast film I've been trying to sell people. Honestly. See them at night.
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
Like, get in at 3 o' clock in the goddamn afternoon and just experience it sober.
D
I. I had to. I was watching this movie. I had to pause it halfway through. I'm losing my mind. All right. I'm going nuts.
Unknown Host
I can't deal with this goddamn fucking movie.
D
It's too early in the morning. All right.
Unknown Host
I got a beautiful dog.
D
I'm like, I love you. Please kiss me. All right. And then so I'm like, all right. I paused.
Unknown Host
He's the mouth kisser to the dogs.
D
I go make. Oh, yes.
Mike Filippo
He gives me that vibe.
D
Yeah. You guys love it. And so I get. So I go and I go make my breakfast and I start, like, cutting my strawberries. And I got scared of the knife in my hand.
Mike Filippo
Yes.
D
Because of the movie that you.
Unknown Host
Yes.
D
It's like I was like. I was scared of myself because of what you guys did.
Mike Filippo
I thought it would have been breakfast. I'm actually just jealous. And why haven't you brought your dog in? I miss my dog. And I haven't patted a dog in quite a while, so you gotta bring your dog next time. What's your dog's name?
D
My dog. I got a new dog named Harley.
Mike Filippo
I'm gonna kill it.
D
She had a 20.
Unknown Host
Yeah, she's 13.
D
You don't have to wait long. We actually got the funeral plans. Yeah.
Unknown Host
Can I Ask how do you guys. Because you guys made, like, stunt vids, right? Like you guys are doing. How does it get like, was it just a natural progression of filmmaking from there?
Mike Filippo
Well, it was always. That was always the YouTube stuff, was just practicing to become filmmakers. That was always the goal, always the aim. And, you know, speaking of stunts, Michael couldn't be listed as one of the directors at the start of Insurance for Bring Her Back because he was in Detroit having death matches.
D
What does that mean?
Mike Filippo
It's like an extreme form of professional wrestling where they use, like, light tubes and barbed wire and real weapons, and they cut each other up for real. It's like an extreme performance art blood sport. We're doing a documentary on it, and I was like, I want to be in it.
D
You look okay, you know?
Unknown Host
Yeah, they're Australians.
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
So they're, like, naturally immune to certain types of damage. Yeah, yeah.
D
Luckily, we brought a barbed wire that.
Unknown Host
Listen, before we prolog any more any of these films, I need you to eat a light bulb.
Mike Filippo
You got to see it. It's visceral, it's bloody, it's good, it's nice.
Unknown Host
What was the. Like, so just like, you do that just for the thrill of it, or is it one of those that you just love physical action?
Mike Filippo
Both, I think. We've been obsessed with death match wrestling since little kids, so we used to do it with our friends, unfortunately, but we had a big parents that would literally not let their kids hang out of us.
D
No way.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, because we were so. We were delinquents. We were actual delinquents.
D
You just threatened to kill my dog.
Mike Filippo
It was out of envy. No, dude was out of envy.
Unknown Host
You guys had fun charges, though. I looked at your Wikipedia pages. Your charges are fun.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah, we've had a few fun charges.
Unknown Host
Yeah. Yeah. They're not. Nothing bad. Like, really like, nothing. Just the stuff that honestly just excited me about you.
Mike Filippo
Yes. Yeah. Underwater cars. We got. Michael got arrested for. So did I, which wasn't even my idea. That was a video. Shannon had an underwater car made, and he didn't want to drive it. I was filming. And Michael's terrible excuse for everything. Michael is so bad at recording. You say, better recording people. Like, we were like, do a scene, and I try to be in the videos. I try to be in something, and his footage is, like, out of focus. There's, like, punched it in a weird way. It's like, dude, just point it at me and film it.
D
Yes, but you are correct to be scared to get in an underwater Car.
Mike Filippo
When I got in the underwater car, I was filming in there. Okay, Yes, I was in there. You weren't in there. I don't know why there's lies being thrown around.
Unknown Host
And then the cops came and found you while you were in the middle of shooting, right? Is that the idea?
Mike Filippo
No, it was like. So the video came out and then suddenly like a year later I would got. Danny got arrested. It wasn't a year later. It was like a couple of months.
Unknown Host
Anything but getting arrested over. Making art is one of my favorite things on the face of the planet.
Mike Filippo
It was so good. But I actually got arrested for pretending to be Michael.
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Mike Filippo
But then they arrested Michael. Got arrested for the art. Yeah. They said I was like I wanted felon. Like I had fled the country. I was like I haven't been hiding or anything.
Unknown Host
And then I put the evidence on youtub.
Mike Filippo
It's like a year long lawsuit. It was. What was the charge? Driving recklessly, driving dangerously, driving without a license. Driving without a seat belt. Driving a car.
Unknown Host
That's not seatbelt. Are you not American?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that's what I said.
D
What happened was. How about littering?
Unknown Host
We were.
Mike Filippo
No, no, not littering.
Unknown Host
Not littering.
Mike Filippo
That would have been a bad one. They're pretty easy on littering. Actually. No, but it was a big thing in the end that I got off scot free cuz I didn't. I wasn't actually driving dangerously recklessly. No, we actually. It was a stunt perform pract. Car.
Unknown Host
It was a stunt.
Mike Filippo
The police said that they were going to have to recreate the underwater car to prove it was dangerous.
D
We're going to do your own.
Mike Filippo
Why don't we go for a race, boys?
Unknown Host
Okay. Let's get to movies. Let's get to some movies. I love books. Books. That's my favorite kind of movie. One that I'm directing inside of my own brain. I can cast it with all of my favorite porn stars. That's my favorite I. But when I watch your movie, the first thing I noticed, which is that one of my favorite attributes is that they feel extremely lived in. Like they feel like, like Talk to me feels like you're watching a story that's already happened before and now it's happening again. Which is also why Talk to me. The sequel will also be perfect at some point. Whenever that comes out, you better do it.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. Danny. Hey. Don't at me. Yep.
Unknown Host
Yep. And then Bring her back is kind of also the same where you're dropped into a world that's already Going like, can you. First thing I want to know is when you make that, like, with the hand and talk to me and with the story in Bring Her Back, do you know that entire story before you write the film? Because it seems like you know what's going on, but you leave sections out.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that's my. I love it so much. I love world building. I love, like, building out the Bible and the backstory and the law and, like, going into every possible detail. Like, I love ironing that out, and then I also love dropping people into the middle of it. And it's, like, told from the perspective of the characters and the point of view of the people that we're following.
Unknown Host
Yes.
Mike Filippo
And like. Like the kids being out of the depth of the hand and talk to me, like, I love that.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
They're not sitting there researching it, figuring out all the answers, but there's obviously a history that there's something happening. And the same. So this. There is something that we've built out and we're designing right now that is like the hand of Talk to Me to the Bring Her Back universe. And have you seen the bong, the.
Unknown Host
P. The bowl, the weed bowl that was made out of the hand?
Mike Filippo
Oh, yes. I love that thing.
Unknown Host
Yeah. Yeah, that's great.
Mike Filippo
That's good stuff. Yeah. And. And it's like. It's a candle holder, mate.
Unknown Host
It's a tobacco pipe. That's what we say.
Mike Filippo
It's an incent holder, buddy. No, but it's the same as when you're writing a character. You've got to know the entire backstory of the character. You need to know all the moments that led up to this moment, why they like this, their personality. What are the key moments in their life that made them this way? And it's the same with the backstory of anything. Like, on that other side of it. The. The tapes, the. Where. Where did Laura get these tapes? The backstory. Who are these people? Who created them? Why? What is the. What is the mythos? The entire mythos. You got to know that stuff. That's important to know. So even though you never let's. Same with the characters, there's a lot of things you'll never see on screen. It's still important to have that so it feels real. I like that thing, like, with the Shining and like, that ending. Like, if you read the script, you know that Jack Torrance is been. He's like a resurrected person from someone that used to live in hotel. But it's completely cut out of the movie.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And Then there's the book that has all this backstory and you're getting glimpses of this bigger world and I love that there's this, there's a bigger stage that these films are playing in. Like, I love that. Like Malazan. Do you know those books? Yes, yes. You know, like there's this entire world and you're like, you're reading it and you're a bit out of your depth and you're like, wait, what's this? Who's this?
Unknown Host
That's my favorite. That's my favorite. It's like, dude, it's like why I like all this stuff where you're dropped in the center. Now your job as the viewer.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. You can figure it out.
Unknown Host
Is to stay engaged.
Mike Filippo
It's so good. I would say it's very arrogant of to compare yourself to the Shining. I. I did not compare myself. Sort of like Stephen King.
Unknown Host
The two of you together are close to a half a Cooper, right? That's what I'd say.
Mike Filippo
Maybe a quarter. Maybe a quarter.
D
But yeah, I love that. Cuz my biggest pet peeve with horror movies is when they over explain and you guys really leave it up to us to figure out. And it's scarier that way cuz my imagination runs wild. And I'm sure you know the answers, but I honestly don't want to know the fucking answer.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, it's sort of like the theorizing or when you come across like a piece of lost media or you look at those old school footage and you're like, you don't have the context and you're like what the fuck is this thing? This is terrifying. This weird clip or this execution video fake, but whatever it is. And it's like where are they? What language are they speaking right now? Like what is happening? Like that stuff just makes for really horrific art.
Unknown Host
I think that you guys are also bringing up which is the. Our, you know, probably closer to a younger generation, but also my generation of the discovery. Like our parents had finding weird shit in the woods. Yeah, we had finding weird on the Internet.
Mike Filippo
Yes.
Unknown Host
And we saw thing went in the street but like we saw mysterious things on the Internet and we. That was what inspired us. And I think what talk to me and bring her back are doing is understanding there's the same amount of mystery in the modern world as there was in the old world. And I feel like that's what you're bringing back.
D
In fact, I feel like there's more mystery in the modern.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, it seems like because it's more In a way, it's more accessible. The mystery. It's more accessible.
Unknown Host
You think it would be, but it's still things you can't scratch. It's still like, what did I just see? Is that real?
Mike Filippo
Is that fake? That's even scary because that is. You can't differentiate that line now. And you're lost between those things. And you're like, people can fake this stuff, but also it's real enough that that real stuff also does happen. So it's terrifying.
Unknown Host
It's terrifying. And also, you have Sally Hawkins in Bring Her Back, who's legitimately, like, a patriot missile actor. That is somebod. What a. That's like driving a Bentley.
Mike Filippo
I know.
Unknown Host
As a director.
Mike Filippo
And we thought there's no way that she would respond and she would say yes.
D
I still don't think she'll do it.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah. It was almost unreal because we. We. She was the first person that we reached out to and we were thinking, there's no way she's gonna say yes.
Unknown Host
She's like the new Amanda Plummer.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that's her. That's her. We said that you're like, the new Amanda Plummer. Turned down the film.
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah. She's like, you both. You know who I am. I make wet films.
Mike Filippo
Y.
Unknown Host
She really does make quite a bit of wet movies.
Mike Filippo
She does. Well, she loves Shape of Water. She loved this. It was the only reason she was drawn to it. No, she was like.
D
She wasn't drawn to it.
Unknown Host
Yeah. Oh, there's. There's water in it.
Mike Filippo
Count me in.
Unknown Host
Can I be moist in the scene?
D
She was like.
Mike Filippo
She didn't connect to it on, like, a genre level because, like, she always reads it from a character's point of view. It's just connected with Laura as a character. And she was just, like, going so in depth with Laura and picking up on the smallest nuances of the script. And she was. It's the best collaboration.
Unknown Host
She dropped the little pieces of lore in the middle of her extreme acting that you can like. But you were like, I'm watching it too. Being like, oh, she just. She's threading the needle of all the info.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And especially with that, with. There's, like, a scene with Wendy and she's like, okay, I can't stop her physically. I have to convince her. Like, please listen to me. Listen. We have a bit. Yeah. We have a history together. We know each other. Please listen, listen, listen. And, like, she's so desperate. Like, please don't. Like, let me explain this to you, I know it seems impossible. It seems psychotic, but I'm telling you, like, a miracle is happening here.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Wow.
Unknown Host
And she's. But she's nice in person.
Mike Filippo
She's beautiful. She is terrifying when she's fully in character.
Unknown Host
Oh, I fucking bet, dude. Are they. Can I ask this. Okay, again, I'm trying not to bring any real distinct spoilers for the film, because. Bring her back again.
Mike Filippo
Well, look, I'm the director, so.
Unknown Host
Can I ask, though? Rob brought this up. I brought my wife and I both kind of ping this, too. Or talk to me and bring her back in the same world, maybe.
Mike Filippo
Geez, who said that? So I don't know who said that.
Unknown Host
Mysterious. Mysterious.
Mike Filippo
Haunted.
Unknown Host
They seem to be like. They're kind of. Because they both revolve around. We're both like. It's like a mysterious object. It has an amazing. It has some storied past between the hand and the tape.
Mike Filippo
Well, there's this thing where it's like, you're writing stuff and you're always, like, putting things together. And, like, there was, like, parts in the script writing when characters in Bring It Back were in Talk to Me. Characters that were in Talk to Me were in Bring It Back because they were written at the same time.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And, like, you find that, you find your footing, and you find the structure and you find the bones. Like, the more that you go over a script, the more you iron over it, you're like, oh, okay, this is that. Like, this makes sense. Like. Like, sometimes when you. It's like scribbles. It's just like rough drawings everywhere. When you're first starting off with something and then eventually it. Like it. You know, you color it in and the full picture is there. Every movie is going to be set in the same neighborhood.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Someone's gonna be driving along, they'll look over Laura's kidnapping. Oliver, the hand's gonna have a hitchhiker thumb.
Unknown Host
We've got to get out of this goddamn neighborhood. This block's horrible.
Mike Filippo
You guys don't mind the Australian accent?
D
No, I love it.
Unknown Host
No, I love. Yeah, I love it.
Mike Filippo
Does it feel unclematic at all to people? What are you talking.
Unknown Host
You really think that? No, no, no.
Mike Filippo
People in Australia. No, I do as well. No, if you guys say, what's that over there? In an American accent, it sounds scary, but in Australian. Oh, what's that over there, mate?
Unknown Host
Yeah.
D
Well, that scares me more because you are scared of.
Unknown Host
Oh, yeah, we're afraid.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, it must be scary.
Unknown Host
Yeah, it's true. You Know, it's so funny because like you that like. No, honestly, I think one of the most incredible things you've done with also both is make believable friend groups and believable families and looks like they all like hang out and they all like belong together.
D
I felt like I knew them. I didn't even notice the accent, to be honest with you.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that's amazing. And like in Australia, like, and some of the stuff that we'd worked on, just like as crew members, they're like, you have to Australians not understand that. Like, like really, really pronunciated. So if you're like, oh, what's that over there? They're like, oh no, that's mumbly oh, what's that over there? And like it becomes okra Australian or too Australian where it feels really false. And then Australians have this cultural cringe about it where they're like, oh, that feels weird. And then Americans are like, that sounds weird. And then it's just there was something about it, like, especially when we like went into making Talk to Me, like the producers are the people that we originally gave the script to were like, can we film it somewhere else? Like, what about with American accents that could be more accessible. What about in America? You do it in America?
Unknown Host
That's very interesting. Just like I actually love the, the hometown authenticity. Like I like that.
Mike Filippo
I love it as well. And I love that there's certain words or phrases that are from Australia that audience members would be like, what's that mean? I think that's universe.
Unknown Host
But you know, they mean, do you know, you. The actors know what they're saying? You know what I mean?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think it's. It's something that's because we had one chance. It was like Talk to Me was it. It was our only movie we're probably going to make because it probably wouldn't work or whatever. So we it to us it felt right to do it authentically and Australian is authentic. That's where we knew. That's the people we know and how we grew up. So it felt right doing that. So the fact that it resonated, you know, kind of internationally and I think it does because it doesn't matter who the people are, where they're from. It's a human to human. Exactly. Yeah. So we all know those people. Doesn't matter. Yeah. Where you're from. Yeah.
Unknown Host
Well, it's also the kids are using, especially in Talk to Me. They're using it to like. Like it's drugs.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Host
That's what's awesome. It's a fun game.
Mike Filippo
Yes, I would do the hand. If the hand was available to me, I'd be fucking on the. You would, wouldn't you?
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Oh, yeah.
Unknown Host
I fucking do the hand.
D
No, I'm not doing the hand.
Mike Filippo
Get on the damn hand.
D
If anything, I'll fight the people with the hand.
Unknown Host
No, you have to follow the rules. Yeah, as long as you follow the rules, you can use the hand. No, you can't.
Mike Filippo
Yes, you can.
Unknown Host
The rules are bullshit.
Mike Filippo
Boys, relax.
Unknown Host
This is our whole gig. Don't make us relax. I fell immediately.
D
Oh, man. But seriously, though, man. What? That would talk to me. I'm watching this movie and I'm looking at all these kids and they're going crazy. And I'm just like, stop touching the hand. Just stop it with the hand. You guys are going too crazy. And it's just like, it's. I felt the same way when I was at a party and like, someone kid had stolen like a. A nitrous tank from a hospital.
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
D
And like, everyone was doing the balloons and everyone. I saw like, two kids almost die. I felt like I was back in that room when I was watching that movie.
Mike Filippo
Dude, that was like one of the inspiration points was like, out these neighbors that we watched grow up. He was like, having a bad reaction to this drug that he was taking. He was on the floor convulsing, and everyone he was with was just filming him and laughing at him. And then I saw that footage and I was like, God damn, that's barbaric.
D
Yeah, man.
Mike Filippo
I was the one filming it.
Unknown Host
That's why you're a director. You're able to distance from the emotional effect, you know?
Mike Filippo
But yeah, even like when you're writing those characters and like, same as, like with talk to me and bring her back. Like, draw from real experiences. Like, draw from things that make you uncomfortable. Like for. For example, there's these things. Greek Orthodox funerals in Australia, they probably do this everywhere. I mean, you know when they've got an open casket.
Unknown Host
Oh, yeah.
Mike Filippo
And then in Greek Orthodox funerals, you have to kiss the head of the corpse.
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
See, that's something I did not know. I did not know about.
Mike Filippo
That's a real thing. You kiss their heads and you don't have to do it. Like, that's not something that you have to do. And like, so if people freak out about it, they don't go there and you can see it's really bothering them to see even like a body or a casket, they don't have to go up to it. But Laura is trained in this. Like, she's a child therapist. She's a psychologist. She knows this is bothering him, and she's like, I'm gonna pull him up.
D
There because she's trying to break his ass.
Mike Filippo
She's trying to break his ass, make him unreliable, get him out of the house.
D
Yeah. And.
Mike Filippo
And, yeah. I don't want to spoil anything.
Unknown Host
No, that's the problem. It's so hard to not do.
Mike Filippo
Because I want to. Yeah.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And that's what's so terrifying. And it's like. It's tapping into that. Like that to me, as a kid, I remember when my grandfather died, there was, like, this woman that I didn't really like that much, and she was, like, not even really part of the family. And she, like, came up and put her arm around me, and, like, I was like, I'm trying to grieve here. And then she was like, pulling me. You're okay. He's okay, everyone. It was this weird thing where I was like, oh, gosh. Like, it felt really.
D
She told you to kiss your grandfather?
Mike Filippo
No, that didn't happen.
Unknown Host
Lower, lower. Kiss him lower.
Mike Filippo
It's not a cold marble.
D
Yes, I kissed a deadhead once, and it is upsetting. I wish I didn't. Where were you?
Unknown Host
What did you do?
D
My mom died, you know, and I.
Unknown Host
Was saying, it's fine.
Mike Filippo
Don't worry.
D
It's been a long time. We can joke about it.
Unknown Host
The other corpses that he's played with have mostly been extremely warm. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because he's got him. He's got him fresh.
Mike Filippo
I feel like you two. You guys have probably killed someone.
Unknown Host
I know.
Mike Filippo
Hey, hey, hey, hey.
D
Not in this country.
Unknown Host
You said, hey, you something.
Mike Filippo
Hey, cut that out.
Unknown Host
Cut that out. No.
Mike Filippo
Can I see your acting face of strangling someone?
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on, come on.
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
D
Now this is me taking it.
Unknown Host
Y.
D
You know, can you do it again?
Mike Filippo
I love you. I love you. I love you. You're my fine. You guys, we're going to wrap this up. My guys been fun, huh?
Unknown Host
We know how to talk to big director.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that's what we are.
Unknown Host
You're actually quite physically small.
Mike Filippo
That's. Yes. Were you surprised? A lot of people say that, but it's just a person. They go, go. Oh, I think we sound quite small.
Unknown Host
You.
D
Yeah, but you're wiry. I ain't trying to fight you.
Mike Filippo
You know.
Unknown Host
Did you ever get in fight as brothers? Like, did you fight dudes as brothers?
Mike Filippo
Oh, like together. Yeah, we did. We used to fight people in the neighborhood. Yeah, we were pretty cool.
D
It's just have. It's called having a go, right?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, you give it a crack. And that was just how like kids bought me. Like you just. You just fight each other. Yeah, a lot of the kids that we fought, we became friends with. Yeah, of course you gotta fight them and then you're friends with them.
Unknown Host
I was surrounded mostly by girls. Girls.
Mike Filippo
Did you fight them?
Unknown Host
No, we played little games.
Mike Filippo
My sister. My sister used to fight us and she would. You. She has to have the last hit.
Unknown Host
Oh, I bet.
D
Oh yeah.
Mike Filippo
She'll chase you with a frying pan until she cracks you over the head. She will not stop. There's no. No stopping her.
Unknown Host
Does she like the movies or she. Does she come.
Mike Filippo
She loves him. She's. She's. In the end. In the end of the. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Don't. In the. At the end of the film.
Unknown Host
Oh yeah.
Mike Filippo
At the end of the film, there's someone that gets out of a car. That is my sister. Oh wow. That's her cameo. And then our cousin was in the backseat too. And then she starts getting out and we cut it. She's so bad. She's like, I can't wait to be in the movie. And I was like, yeah, it was the same. It was the same in talks where she was in it and the scene got cut. Feels so bad. Yeah, I saw Alana. No, I saw Alana. But you could have performed better or we're not going to use it.
Unknown Host
Honestly, it's about being in the right thing scene.
Mike Filippo
Yes, correct. Or in the right position.
Unknown Host
Oh yes, I remember I was in Wolf of Wall street and one of the.
D
Here we go.
Unknown Host
Gather round, gather round, gather round. Let me tell you a story. Listen, there's many. I'm almost nine years older than you both. But I always remember cuz there was a scene, it was one of the plane orgies and the AD told everybody, all the ladies on set, that if you're going to be on set today, you might be nude. Right? And so there was ladies next, Leo. And he said to one of them, just so you know, you're going to be naked in this scene, so you're going to take off your clothes, blah, blah, blah. And she was like, actually I have a contract for previous contract where I'm not supposed to get naked in the scene. He's like, that's totally fine. We're just going to have to move you out because they've been talking about they want. And she was like, no, I'll. I'll do it. And then she just took off all of her clothes. Cuz she knew she'd be in.
D
She'd make.
Mike Filippo
Are you in. Were you in that scene?
Unknown Host
Yes, I was in all the orgies.
Mike Filippo
Wait, you're in the film?
D
Yeah. Have you seen Wolf of Wall Street?
Mike Filippo
I've seen Wolf of Wall Street.
D
He's the fat ugly one.
Mike Filippo
Oh my gosh. I love that film. I'm so interested.
Unknown Host
Hey, I love it. That was the old time. That was the old. That was the closest I ever got to seeing that.
Mike Filippo
Wait, so you, you are extras on different. How many films have you been on?
Unknown Host
I was an actor in that.
Mike Filippo
You were an actor?
D
Like six or seven legitimate films.
Unknown Host
I used to be good. I used to be very.
Mike Filippo
Do people get. Do you get rusty? People get rusty.
Unknown Host
I. You know what's funny is that I think I've got fat again.
D
Just kidding.
Unknown Host
I got skinny and then I got fat again. Again.
Mike Filippo
And what, as in like you lost roles when you got skinny?
Unknown Host
Oh, yes.
Mike Filippo
Really?
Unknown Host
Very much so. Oh no, I was, I, I will tell you the truth. This is a full on exposure. I was. It was between me and Patrick. What's his name?
Mike Filippo
Sway?
Unknown Host
Yes. Me and him always were against each other. Always.
D
Paul Hower.
Unknown Host
Yeah, it was for I, Tonya. And then they asked me if I could gain 100 pounds.
Mike Filippo
Oh my gosh.
Unknown Host
And then they said no.
Mike Filippo
Is that.
Unknown Host
I was like no. Yeah, no, I couldn't get. I was too skinny. I got too skinny and then I. I lost all his roles.
Mike Filippo
£100.
D
It's a lot.
Unknown Host
No, they wanted, they wanted me to be.
D
Could gain 100 pounds.
Unknown Host
Oh, believe me, I just gained five pounds sitting here.
D
I'm a coach.
Unknown Host
Yeah. Big fat piece of. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike Filippo
He looks familiar. Wait, go to his IMDb. What else? What have I seen him in?
Unknown Host
Yeah, I did this. I was in a show called your pretty face is going to hell. This is amazing for me. We're going to cut all this.
Mike Filippo
Now.
Unknown Host
I'm just talking with them.
Mike Filippo
I want to do a podcast of him.
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah. Look at that guy. I do it every week.
D
It's not that great.
Unknown Host
Can I, can I ask? All right, so. So now let's Id be pa. Back to you.
D
No trauma movies.
Unknown Host
Really?
Mike Filippo
I love trauma movies. I collected those as a kid.
Unknown Host
We know Lloyd Kaufman. If you want to go work for free, he'll gladly take his.
D
Actually, I think you have to pay him to work for him.
Mike Filippo
Our first like Six jobs on sets were completely free. I would have loved a Kaufman set.
Unknown Host
Dude.
Mike Filippo
Damn. The Troma movies are awesome.
Unknown Host
You know, it's funny cuz like, we did get in touch with the. That crew and it's. It is. Have you found that yet? Have you met. How do I put this? Have you met a hero that's disappointed you?
Mike Filippo
Do you know what's weird? Like, the heroes that I've met have all been pretty heroic.
Unknown Host
Great.
D
Nice.
Mike Filippo
Yes. Sam Ramy. Oh, he was so nice. You know what's awesome? It's so cool in la cuz all these people are local. So we had a movie night just the other night with Fede Alvarez.
Unknown Host
Oh man.
Mike Filippo
And we watched. And Zach Kriegers. We watched Weapons.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
That was so. I'm like, this is so Hollywood right now.
Unknown Host
Oh my God.
Mike Filippo
And you're like. And exchanging stories and stuff. It's incredible. Yeah. That's so awesome. Alvarez is funny.
D
Oh, he's cool, man. That new Alien movie was awesome. I really enjoyed it. I can't wait to see what else this guy does now. When you're in this situation, are you guys as fun as you are now or are you like actually playing it cool?
Mike Filippo
I feel a little bit of bother in the middle there, cuz like, we're at his house. We don't know him too well. But you came out with like guns blazing. So I was like, oh, yeah, we.
Unknown Host
That's the goal. Yeah. Here we're. We're not as elevated what any.
Mike Filippo
Any room that we're in. I remember we were at like a. This a 24 party. And it was. Was just all. All these directors were there. Real direct. Real directors.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And I felt so out of place in that room. I was like, I do not deserve to be in here.
D
I should do now, man. That's everything. You guys is incredible.
Unknown Host
Yeah, dude. You're two for two.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Do you think so?
D
Yeah, I know so. I'll tell you what. We talking about the Shining earlier used to be the scariest movie ever saw. These two movies have taken it over in one day. At the scariest films I've ever.
Unknown Host
You also scarred him. This is the type of. That scars.
D
Yeah, I was. I'm like mad at you and also impressed.
Unknown Host
So can I ask. You were saying, like characters appear in and out of your films as you're writing them. I know that. Like, you know, obviously there's probably not a lot you could say about. You were developing a Street Fighter movie. Was M Bison ever in. Talk to me.
Mike Filippo
We weren't as in love with Bison as we were. Akuma, okay. Oh, yeah, we love Akuma. Do you know we were in the Street Fighter rabbit hole for a while? It was a lot of fun. I was traveling around Thailand, going to different Muay Thai camps, doing research for the real Sagat, who still trains people. Whoa. In Thailand, that level with a giant Buddha statue, That's a real place. No, that's an actual place in Thailand. Yeah. So I was going to these places and I was, like, speaking to these trainers that apparently he'd been with, and he's. They're like, no, he's over here now. So I was traveling around. It was awesome. It was so much fun.
Unknown Host
Did you ever find him?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, I found him.
D
Well, he's so tall. It's probably easy.
Mike Filippo
He's short in real life. He's shorter than me. He's short. He's shorter than me in real life.
D
How about Blanca? How was he in real life?
Mike Filippo
Exactly the same.
Unknown Host
You know what they say, Never meet your heroes. Exactly. Exactly as I wanted him to be.
Mike Filippo
It was hard to turn down Street Fighter. It was hard to walk. It was just. It was. It was. It was hard. It was just this. What are you singing? I don't know what that was. It flew.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Thank you.
Unknown Host
You're in America.
Mike Filippo
I'm in America. So I started singing. It was. It was just. It was just scheduling. It was between Bring it Back in Street Fighter and we love Street Fighter. Bring it back. It's more personal. It felt more. Or riot. I don't know.
Unknown Host
Yeah, you were correct.
D
Well, luckily.
Mike Filippo
You know what, though? Legendary Pictures is amazing. And they. I think they're going to do a good job.
Unknown Host
Something like. That's going to come back around also. Something like that.
Mike Filippo
No, because they're making it still. I remember I read like a. Like, I read an article that, like, it's been postponed indefinitely, and I was like, yeah. And then I like, text him, like, what's going on with Street Fighter? Like, that's a full story. It's still happening.
D
Like, as far as video games go. You know what? No one gives a about. About Street Fighter 1. Street Fighter 2 is the real game.
Mike Filippo
I have to say. That's the real game. That's the best. Street Fighter. Hold on. No, no, he said Street Fighter 1. Oh, yeah. He's saying Street Fighter 2 is the make.
D
Street Fighter 2 don't make Street Fighter 1 because it's bound for failure.
Unknown Host
It's bound for failure.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. We'll start up a Street Fighter 2. Oh, my God. The set pieces were making. It would have been brilliant.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Anyway, bring it back. Bring it back.
D
Are you talking about the interview or.
Unknown Host
But truly, I. I think made the utterly correct choice because the more you guys are betting on yourself, the more you're making an extremely good movie. I think there's time. There's time for you guys to do some ip.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. And what. What's exciting as opposed to taking a big IP is making your own IP.
D
Amen.
Mike Filippo
And it's like, oh, what if in 20 years they want to remake Talk to Me? That pretty cool. They won't. Yeah, yeah, no, no.
D
They'll be on talk to me 10 by then.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, talk to Me X. Dude.
Unknown Host
Dude, Talk to me X in space.
Mike Filippo
Dude. I've written out. I've written out 40 sequel ideas. I'm going to show you the list. You it. Love it.
Unknown Host
That is all I want to see. The more they haven't show up at, like, you know, it should be. Go back in time. You can go.
Mike Filippo
Michael, keep talking while I get this up. You're going to love this.
Unknown Host
Yes.
Mike Filippo
I need to get my sequel ideas. Talk to me. They build with pyramids.
D
Well, honestly, we're doing this Alien festival in a couple weeks. Contact in the Desert. Talk to me. Bring that hand to the Alien Festival.
Mike Filippo
What's this Alien Festival?
D
Contact in the Desert. It's a. It's a bunch of people who've been abducted.
Mike Filippo
And I was on Time magazine as, like, the main. One of the main photos for the storming area 51.
D
No way. Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that was me. He clapped the alien cheeks. I was there.
D
Oh, my God.
Unknown Host
So wasn't it you stormed Area 51.
D
Do you have the bullet holes to prove it?
Mike Filippo
I was like. I'm like, if everyone runs, I'm running as well. And there were SWAT cars everywhere. There was people with guns. And then I was like, I can't wait to get there. We pulled up, like, 50,000 people RSVP'd. There was like 50 people there.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And everyone's like this.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
I think the military are like, if you do cross the line, we're gonna shoot. They're like, we literally will shoot you.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
Unknown Host
You're like, yeah, we're not around. It's Area 51.
Mike Filippo
And yeah, everyone was just the Capitol.
D
Building, for Christ's sake.
Mike Filippo
It looked scary for those people. It was terrifying. And then people getting arrested. But no, it was a good time. Let me get my sequel ideas up quickly. Michael changed the subject. Change it. Talk to them.
Unknown Host
Honestly, did you Naruto towards Area 3.
Mike Filippo
I wasn't there. Naruto ran. Here's the picture. Does someone edit things?
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike Filippo
Here's the picture. In fact, there's two pictures. Here's the two pictures. I wanted two different outfits. I was all about it.
Unknown Host
This is amazing. Wow, that's.
Mike Filippo
You know, it's a big deal, guys.
D
How come you didn't, by the way?
Unknown Host
Because, to be honest, I'm a. I don't want to get arrested. Let's be in the desert. You know, honestly, I'm so. I. I must be most. I'm sitting in water right now, like, same as Sally Hawkins. I literally am sitting within water right now just to sit.
Mike Filippo
Do you know what's cool about Sally Hawkins? No matter how cold it was, no matter how bad the stunt was, they're like, oh, we're going to pat you up because you're about to hit the wall. She's like, was Laura wearing pads?
Unknown Host
I. I don't.
Mike Filippo
I wouldn't. I don't think Laura's. There's a scene where she jumps in the water at the beginning of the movie was the first day, and they're trying to put a wetsuit on. Wetsuit. She's like, so when was Laura wearing. Did Laura put on this wetsuit before she jumped in? Did she see her daughter and jump in and it was like, yeah, she's.
D
I hope y' all are going to be pushing for her to get an Oscar for this, because it was unbelievable.
Mike Filippo
Do I. It's too. It's probably too genre to get an Oscar, man.
D
That. Not after last year. Not after the substance.
Unknown Host
My problem is absolutely.
D
It changed everything. It's all.
Unknown Host
If we let the Oscars infect horror movies, it will never be the same. If horror movies get too big for their britches, it's never gonna be the same.
Mike Filippo
We are get. Step back down.
Unknown Host
Humble yourself.
Mike Filippo
We're gonna win all the Academy Awards.
D
No, no.
Mike Filippo
It's sort of like. I like that the crossover is happening. We are in such a boom right now for horror. It's like. It's black. We're in the 80s again.
Unknown Host
Oh, yeah.
Mike Filippo
Heaven.
Unknown Host
Yeah, Heaven. The fact that substance went that far.
D
It's like, honestly awesome. Those Faratu sinners. Now you. It's crazy what's happening right now.
Mike Filippo
Well, I. I wouldn't put us in that category. You put those three. Put us. We'll probably couple down there.
Unknown Host
But no, dude, I mean, bring her back. I'm not just suck. It's a forever movie.
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
Yeah, like it's a great movie. I put it in close to like. Cuz I right now my truly favorite modern horror film is Hereditary and it is right on its tails. It's like doing the same. Same. It gave me the same feeling, which is literally what Eddie was saying. I wanted to shut the movie off and run away.
Mike Filippo
Oh my God, that's awesome.
D
I literally at one point today I stood up in the middle of my living room, woke up my wife who was still asleep and I'm like, it's just too much.
Unknown Host
He doesn't even want it. If you've seen the movie, you know what that sound is?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, you know what that is? Did I tell you? Here's a story. There was a certain sound that we couldn't replicate. The sound design was doing it. So I got a knife and I did it.
D
No.
Mike Filippo
And on the microphone, right up close and that's what you hear. It's like, okay, this is going to be hard to watch. You can close your eyes but do it. So you have to try and close your ears as well. It's going to be too, too confronting.
Unknown Host
See, that's a real director though. You stood in. You're like, I'm not getting it enough.
Mike Filippo
And also. Yeah, so like part of me is like, oh, I think this could like, maybe like, like non genre fans might like it. But then other part of me is like because of scenes like that, I'm like, you have to be a hardened horror fan to enjoy it. But I, I don't know. I don't know.
Unknown Host
Do you think you'll stay doing genre forever?
Mike Filippo
I think what we're doing the documentary next.
Unknown Host
Great.
Mike Filippo
Yep. So there's that and then I think that we're writing a few different things. We are. But I think the next thing, like I still want to do two more horror films. I know for sure I've got two that I've got mapped out of my head. Me and my co writer. And like I, I need to do them.
D
People are going to be coming to see them if you make them. What's the documentary?
Mike Filippo
The Death Match Wrestling.
Unknown Host
Oh, that's also going to do extremely well because I think that people are really interested in that and wanting see world. Yeah, I mean, well, I just don't.
Mike Filippo
Know because that's real blood. I don't know people can actually watch it. It's a real underground form of wrestling. But it's exciting. I find it exciting.
Unknown Host
How does people, when people get into death wrestling, like honestly, like is it just, is it real? Not, not to. I'm not saying that they're not quote unquote, real wrestlers, but it's like trained wrestlers also doing it as well. Or is it just psychopaths?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, no, a big thing of the documentary is why, what draws people to do it? Why do they do it? But they are professional wrestlers train. Yeah, yeah, but it's. And it's not for money. It's not, It's God forbid, something else. Yeah, yeah. They don't get. They don't make much money from it and they're literally killing themselves. Yeah, it's passion.
D
God.
Mike Filippo
There's a few different reasons.
Unknown Host
Yeah, that's how, that's what I bring to my eating game.
D
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Host
It's a passion.
Mike Filippo
Wait, hold on. I'm so sorry. I, I, I just want to. When does this alien festival thing. I really want to go.
Unknown Host
So are you a guy? Are you a true believer?
Mike Filippo
Dude, I love alien. Please.
Unknown Host
If you're ever in town for this, it's at the end year. It's called Contact in the Desert. Damn.
Mike Filippo
It's end of May. Damn it. I leave tomorrow.
Unknown Host
But it's the number if you're ever here. I'm certain that I don't know what Australia has in terms of UFO coverage. You guys actually have one of the most mystique. There's a great deal of UFO lore.
Mike Filippo
Oh, I know.
Unknown Host
In Australia there's nothing else to do.
D
But look at the sky.
Mike Filippo
But there's also one that you guys don't know, which one. It's called Param.
Unknown Host
Please, please. He's elucidate.
Mike Filippo
Paramount. They experiment on aliens there.
Unknown Host
Oh no. Is that a base?
Mike Filippo
It's a base and there's a town near it. And when the lights go red, no one can get out of their house. Yes, yes, I've been there and it's horrific.
D
Really?
Mike Filippo
No, no, it's pretty chill. But like, apparently like there's theories there that there's aliens there. I've not seen any such aliens.
Unknown Host
Where is that located?
Mike Filippo
In South Australia.
Unknown Host
South Australia? Yeah, because we went through South Australia. We drove to Snowtown. Lovely place.
Mike Filippo
See, that's crazy. The eyes have been Adelaide.
Unknown Host
Straight to.
D
Snow Adelaide for 28 hours. And we were like, you know what? Let's drive to Snowtown.
Mike Filippo
Imagine what happening there. What, what were you doing? You were doing a show there.
Unknown Host
We were doing a show.
D
We had a tour in Australia and New Zealand last year.
Mike Filippo
Oh my God, it's so weird. There's like, like concerts don't come to Adelaide because no One goes to things, dude.
Unknown Host
Adelaide was.
D
Theater we were in was awesome.
Mike Filippo
Adelaide, what d. We love you, Adelaide. Ripping.
Unknown Host
I love Radel was one of our best shows in the entire little tour.
Mike Filippo
See, that's awesome. I love. See, it's changed. Changing. Then, like the pendulum shifting. Maybe we are becoming a bit more cultured and arty.
D
It was funny. It was like we. There were literally three dudes in the front row that were like the Three Stooges. They were beating each other up the whole show and, like, throwing beers at each other. It was amazing.
Unknown Host
But it was very funny. It was like they did. They weren't even that disruptive, you know? I mean, like, they were kind of just amongst themselves. But we went to Snowtown and they literally looked at us because they know why we're there. Like, why are these three fat Americans here? And they're like, what brings you down? What brings you to town? And we're all, like, just driving. Indian food.
Mike Filippo
I heard a disturbing story because you know how the. The barrels got discovered because the smell and the sludge. Yeah. So the. When it did get found out and it was on the news and everything, people were like. Like driving there and then trying to sniff under the bank vault to smell the.
D
Oh, my God.
Mike Filippo
Was that you boys? I just. I just want to smell it. I just want to smell it.
Unknown Host
Good, quick little whip out. Nothing I love better than a true crime story. That's scra. Scratch and sniff.
D
Oh, I. We. I forgot to offer you guys. Would you like some cheese crackers? Knife?
Mike Filippo
I'd love some cheese crackers.
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
Would you like your favorite snack, which is a knife?
Mike Filippo
I'm loving this. Don't even wash out. Just throw that in the b.
D
Could you sign that, please? Man, you are too Larin, aren't you?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, we're a little.
D
We're a little.
Mike Filippo
Michael, are you okay? Ow. Sorry.
Unknown Host
Why?
Mike Filippo
He does deaf nuts wrestling, and that hurt him. Take it it easy, man. Take it easy. Oh, you know what I had in the. I was going to bring it, but I thought against it. It's in the car. What is it? I had a fake knife and fake blood, and I was going to start chewing it. No, you got blood all over that carpet.
Unknown Host
He did a real. You should probably. It's a shining carpet. Yeah. Yeah, it's a shining carpet. We're very on brand here.
Mike Filippo
Oh, my gosh.
Unknown Host
Yeah, we're very, very on brand here. The plants are fake. Yeah, we got a lot of accouterment. That's from. Oh, that is from a Wonderful place. We hear it's called Lowe's. What a wonderful place here.
Mike Filippo
Oh, Alien. We have a lot of.
Unknown Host
All right, so, you know, if you ever want to come to, like, Contact in the desert is awesome, but it's like, we're all true believers. It's the first place that I've ever been to where I went to this place. It's at this resort near Palm Springs. Contact in the desert. And we. I kind of thought we'd all be getting drunk and being in the pool, and it's like all of these nerds in the lobby talking about UFOs. They are. They make.
D
They're, like, dressed up by, like, galactic.
Unknown Host
Fighters and stuff, and I am out of place. I must, like. I thought I was a serious one. I'm used to, like, literally alienating people and making people upset. I was like, y' all are alienating me. Like, I. I was like, you guys should be in the pool. This is the time for you to, like. This is the time for you all to. To flirt and each other. And this is like, you shouldn't be. You're all talking shop.
Mike Filippo
Oh, my God. That is. Tonight. We were riding an Alien movie.
D
Oh, you better wait, by the way.
Mike Filippo
In the defense to the galactic warriors, you needed someone to defend you. And if the aliens were coming, they were ready while you were in the pool.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
They're protecting you.
Unknown Host
I'll. Aliens.
Mike Filippo
I would. Who knows what disease you'd contract? But no, listen, listen, listen. We were writing it. Writing an Alien movie. But then Jordan Peele released the trailer for. Nope.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
I was like, no. All right.
D
Nope was good as hell, but nope.
Unknown Host
He kind of made it into sort of like, a creature feature.
D
Jaws.
Unknown Host
Yeah. Like, more than an Alien movie. I still think you guys got an Alien movie.
Mike Filippo
Oh, my gosh.
Unknown Host
There's no way you guys don't have an Alien movie.
Mike Filippo
We were riding an Alien movie. Oh, it's. And there's this. You know what's a great Alien. Alien movie? Fire in the Sky.
Unknown Host
Yep.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
How great? Saturday Phenomenon. The documentary phenomenon. I love how it's wrapped everything up.
D
At the festival last year. And then at night, he's playing guitar by the fire.
Unknown Host
The guy from Fire in the sky is there, like, flirting with, like, he's, like, hanging out.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
That's wicked. I want to tell you a story about that off camera.
D
Okay, great.
Mike Filippo
It's the best. It's the best story you'll ever hear. Alien. Alien vibes. Alien story vibes.
Unknown Host
But I really think that you're. Because you know, it's. It's very real.
Mike Filippo
Cut that out because I'm going to feel like they're leaving out. We didn't mean to leave you out.
Unknown Host
No, we love to leave. We love to leave them out.
Mike Filippo
It's just one of those things that if you talk about you could get into trouble.
D
You've already given away like five spoilers for your movie that's not even out yet. Don't worry about it.
Unknown Host
Do you know all this stuff like. But I was researching about how United States had nuclear weapons bases in Australia pointed at North Korea. And when we decommissioned all those bases then all of this UFOs like this is in the last like three years. There's like a massive influx of Australian UFO stories that were hidden for a long time because they were all now told by guys that are decommissioned officers from those old bases.
Mike Filippo
Here's my thing. Okay. Aliens are real. Sure. Bring it back to the cinemas very soon. Don't forget that. Guys, it's out now.
Unknown Host
Yeah, bring her back. You got to check it out.
Mike Filippo
You guys check that out. Bring it back. Just so we remember. But yes. Okay. You know we've got drones and we're flying them around.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And you know how we can like observe planets from all this miles away?
Unknown Host
Yes.
Mike Filippo
You know, we are like light years away. We can observe. If they're that sophisticated and they're that ahead of us and their technology is stuff that we couldn't imagine. How are we capturing them on camera? Why are they floating around down here? They can observe us. How are we even not. How's all the footage looks like it was on like a Nokia 33. Even when it isn't. Even when it isn't.
D
There's no.
Mike Filippo
Where's the 4k? Even when it hits the other at planets. Where's the good footage of the alien.
Unknown Host
Are barely acknowledged by them. What if they are? It's half the phenomena. Could be interdimensional. So what if when we see something that looks like an amorphous floating like kind of QB type thing that is our translation in this dimension of a craft that is literally going on a grocery store run in the another dimension that might look like one of those like things from like Starfleet.
D
They're not. Not even in it.
Mike Filippo
Or there's dumb aliens like tourist aliens. There has to be. There's dumb tourist aliens and they crash the UFO Earth. Like oh what the hell are you doing?
Unknown Host
They talked about it's the be.
Mike Filippo
Stop crashing. And on planet Earth. Crashed on Earth again. Outside of the Atmosphere.
Unknown Host
Take a look at this. I got the keys to dad's car. We're going on it.
D
Come on.
Mike Filippo
Bring the.
Unknown Host
You know, like. Like, that's the stuff. That's fun.
D
Yeah. But going back to what you said, it's hard to get a picture of that stuff. Cuz you're so in sh. Shock when you see it. Like right now. Going back to my dying dog. All right, I got a 17 year old dog that has seizures, okay? And every time she has a seizure, I'm supposed to get a video of it. Be careful with the knife. I'm supposed to get. I'm supposed to get a video of it for the vet, but every time, I'm like, worried about the seizure. So by the time I get the video out, she's done season.
Unknown Host
Why are you having things with the aliens?
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
Unknown Host
So in shock. Yeah. Filming his elderly dog seizing is definitely the same as intergalactic travelers.
Mike Filippo
No, I. I see it. You could be in that. That much shock, you know, that you don't. I don't know. If I saw the ufo, I would get that.
D
But you're a director.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, well.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
Unknown Host
All right. Three. Just give us three Talk to me sequel concepts that you were going to.
Mike Filippo
Do before we go, so. Yeah, before we go. Wait, quickly. What happened was. My phone isn't working in terms of. Is there wi fi here?
Unknown Host
No, no, we're not allowed. Yes, it's right there.
Mike Filippo
Right there. Michael, do you want to. Did you have some talk to me ideas? It's not going to work unless I read them out, because they're written out. Michael, ask him another question before we go.
D
I'll pitch you one. All right, you ready?
Mike Filippo
I love, love it.
D
Go, M. Bison. Okay.
Mike Filippo
We'Ve already got that one. That one's written down.
D
All right. J.D. alvarez.
Unknown Host
Dude, you write it as you. As directors. Super meta.
D
Oh, yeah.
Unknown Host
Like, new night.
D
Yeah, yeah, you're new. But that's like number 11.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, that. Yeah, that's when we really get desperate. All right, it's going to come. It's going to come. It's going to come.
D
Can't wait.
Mike Filippo
It's going to come.
Unknown Host
Don't make him come. Please don't make him come.
Mike Filippo
All right, Talk to me.
Unknown Host
Yep.
D
Oh, okay.
Unknown Host
Already done. Written.
Mike Filippo
Talk to me again.
Unknown Host
Yeah, okay.
Mike Filippo
Yes, yes, yes. Talk for me.
D
These are titles. These aren't.
Unknown Host
No, no ideas. No, no, I already see it.
Mike Filippo
This is. These are. Talk to me five more times.
Unknown Host
Wow.
D
Oh, no. High five.
Mike Filippo
Oh, yes. High five. Yes, yes. Okay, I'll write That. Yes, that's fine. Why are you still talking to me?
Unknown Host
Whoa.
D
Number six.
Unknown Host
That's the retcon.
Mike Filippo
Yep. Talk to me in Tokyo.
Unknown Host
Yep.
D
Tokyo Drift.
Unknown Host
I was also thinking of one. Look who's talking to me now.
Mike Filippo
Oh, yes, I love. That's your lyrics again. All these are just titles, right? These are. No, no, these are movies.
Unknown Host
These are movies.
Mike Filippo
I've read lots for these. Talk to me. Hand Takes Manhattan.
Unknown Host
Oh. Oh, it's got to be in the 80s club scene.
Mike Filippo
Yes. Oh, yes, yes. You can get. You can get a producer credit card.
Unknown Host
Oh, yeah.
D
And it's got. It gets a long pinky nail and it starts doing like. It does coke for people and shit.
Unknown Host
Now we're getting silly at it.
D
No, we're not.
Mike Filippo
We're getting good. These are good. Talk to me. Triple X Porno in space. Everyone's expecting space. Don't give them what they expect.
Unknown Host
No full penetration.
Mike Filippo
Talk 12. No, that one didn't hit. That one. That movie's not as popular. That one didn't hit as much unless.
Unknown Host
It in a heist and it's like Ocean's Twelve and then you have George Clooney having to steal the hand from a casino vault.
Mike Filippo
Yes. Yeah. Yes. Talk to me. That's like an AI version with Michael Jackson. Talk to me. Talk to me. Hey, you guys want to see what this knife is?
D
Oh, my God. Because of the glove.
Mike Filippo
Yes. Wow. See, he's getting it. Thank you. These are smart talk. Pork tomy, embalmed foot version.
Unknown Host
Oh, that's disgusting.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah.
Unknown Host
That would honestly make. Why is it. If it's a foot, I'd vomit if I saw the film. If it was that you have to suck on the top toe or whatever in the movie.
Mike Filippo
Did you vomit?
D
No.
Unknown Host
Well, no. But not if it's.
D
Toe sucking was actually kind of peaceful.
Mike Filippo
You liked that, too?
Unknown Host
Yeah. He mouth kisses the dog. He sucks on his wife's toes. And he's a huge fan of your.
D
Film and he just.
Mike Filippo
You know what? I know it all adds up.
Unknown Host
He's.
Mike Filippo
He is the best movies I've ever seen.
Unknown Host
You're marketing it towards him.
D
How about. Oh, the porno one should be cocked to me.
Mike Filippo
Oh, cock to me. Yes.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
There was a talk to me porno. There was a talk to me porno.
Unknown Host
Oh, of course. Seriously?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, Yeah. I sent it to Sophie and I was like, was that inappropriate? But then she laughed. I was like, dude, that is a.
Unknown Host
High level of praise.
Mike Filippo
I know.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
And they were possession porn. It was really.
D
Was it like fingering someone and then like, she saw a ghost.
Mike Filippo
I didn't watch it that intensely.
D
Come to me.
Mike Filippo
You feel filmed it, Danny. I did not.
Unknown Host
It's only harassment if you're in the film.
Mike Filippo
I did not harass. I was not part of that film. But yeah, yeah, they'll possessed and having sex.
D
Come inside me.
Mike Filippo
No, that's enough titles about this.
Unknown Host
Stop telling him to come inside you. They're just. They're trying to leave town.
Mike Filippo
What would you say? What was what stuck with you more since you watched them both today? Talk to me or bring over Back.
D
Bring her back. Bring her back.
Mike Filippo
Why? Why?
D
And why? It. It's definitely like half. I was like a half hour in. I'm like, oh, this isn't as bad. I can handle this. And then it's just so unforgivingly brutal. It really is. And it just like. It, like, made me visibly upset. I had to like. I literally turned it. I don't think I could have seen it in the movie theater. I'm going to now because I've seen it already. And so now I feel like I can see it in the movie theater because I know it's going to happen. I'm just gonna watch the audience get pissed. And then it brought me a level.
Unknown Host
Of discomfort that I haven't experienced since. Have you seen that coffee Table?
Mike Filippo
I have not yet.
Unknown Host
The coffee table's up.
D
Oh, I thought you were talking about the scene in the movie, but that's.
Unknown Host
No, I'm talking about a movie called the Coffee Table.
Mike Filippo
I'll check it out.
Unknown Host
That is up.
Mike Filippo
But you know what I like is when it doesn't feel like it's just exploitation. That isn't it? Like, that's what.
D
That's what.
Mike Filippo
That's why it messed me up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
D
Because it was real and it was best in emotions and like, you know, as people. As someone who's experienced loss, you're a fragile person and you make these horrible decisions. That's why Sally Hawkins character is unbelievable in that movie because you could tell we were talking about this before you got here, that she used to be a really good person. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike Filippo
Like a character the young comfortably empathize with. And I think that's what was great about Sally is that she brought it. She. She brought a human element to it. It wasn't. She didn't play it like a horror villain. She played it as a broken human being. She struck. Struggling with what she's. Yeah, she's struggling. She really is.
Unknown Host
And then. But. Well, again, I'M just spoiling it.
D
You guys are.
Unknown Host
Honestly. The ending's amazing. You have to see the film. Is there, like. What would you say is, like, a series of references for you guys, like, in your films? Like, what are your main. Do you know what, like, go to films in your head.
Mike Filippo
Always in Treatment, which is a TV show. Yeah. Because of how realistic those characters feel and how real the world feels and. And something like throwing water on somebody feels like a car crash. So I love that film. I love Let the Right One In. Yes. I think that is, like, a really incredible.
D
Also kind of wet.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, yeah. There's a. Well, it's snowy.
D
Snowy. You're right.
Mike Filippo
Snow is wet. There's a. There's a. And then obviously. Obviously. The Holy Grail. Exorcist.
D
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. Everyone talks about elevated horror. I'm like, they've been elevating horror since the 70s. Have you seen the Exorcist? Have you seen Rosemary's Maybe?
Unknown Host
Yeah, yeah.
Mike Filippo
Like those. Mouse Hunt is a good one. Yeah. Mark was obsessed with Mouse Hunt. You seen Mouse Hunt?
D
Mouse Hunt.
Mike Filippo
It actually is a good film.
Unknown Host
Is that the one with. Not with French.
D
They're hunting mice.
Mike Filippo
Have you seen Stuart Little?
D
I haven't seen Stuart Little, but I know the film Indian in the Cupboard. Have you seen that?
Unknown Host
Nothing I would love to see. Is the Mouse Hunt to Bring Her Back Pipeline, which is just.
Mike Filippo
It's connected more than you think. That they were very practical like those. That Mouse Hunt. They did things so practically. It is a little bit. Bring It Back is.
Unknown Host
You know who was. You know who's funny that there's an actor in that that used to. I used to love that. I haven't seen in forever. Is Lee Evans.
Mike Filippo
Oh, is he in there?
D
Yeah.
Unknown Host
Where the hell's Lee Evans now?
Mike Filippo
Well, he's in Mouse Hunt. He's working on the seal.
Unknown Host
No, I don't think.
Mike Filippo
I think I should do Mouse Hunt too.
Unknown Host
You should put him in one of your movies.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, I should do Mouse Hunt.
Unknown Host
You should put Lee Evans to one of your movies. Listen. No, no, come here.
Mike Filippo
This is what.
Unknown Host
This is what my parents always do. Be like. You ever try being in a film? Like a big movie? Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Yeah.
D
Have you ever thought about making Seinfeld?
Unknown Host
That's what my parents say.
Mike Filippo
You said, did you see me? I started Leon out of D Caprio. I'm naked at the back of that plane. Whoa. Did you show him that? Your parents.
Unknown Host
I had to go see it with my mother. Yeah.
Mike Filippo
Oh, my gosh.
Unknown Host
It was horrible.
D
I saw with my mother too, actually.
Unknown Host
She was fine with it. She was happy that I. She. She was getting attention.
Mike Filippo
Oh, she. She was getting attention.
Unknown Host
Well, just in terms of just being there. My mom just kind of believed that she was on display.
Mike Filippo
Oh, right. She was proud. We invited my mom to come watch Bring her back in America, but she wouldn't come.
Unknown Host
Why?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, she doesn't like flying.
Unknown Host
I understand. It's a horrible fight.
Mike Filippo
It's a terrible flat. It's long and she has anxiety about it. And 8:24. We're trying to do everything like, oh, what if we can bring a friend? What if we can up the class? And then my mom still said, no, no, it's.
Unknown Host
Yeah, but you know that she will see it though, you guys, and she'll be damn proud.
Mike Filippo
Yeah, she be so.
Unknown Host
She'll be damn proud of what she made. Cuz she then kept. She made the film cuz she made you.
Mike Filippo
She did.
Unknown Host
She.
Mike Filippo
And Laura was based on her, who was so. She was a sweet mother. Wow.
Unknown Host
Yeah.
Mike Filippo
That was one.
D
One scene. Which one?
Mike Filippo
That punch.
D
Oh, yeah.
Mike Filippo
He did a couple of takes for real.
Unknown Host
Whoa.
D
I believed you, stun man. Yeah, I believe anything you tell. That's my job.
Unknown Host
We have committed access. Sally insisted she had to hit the blind girl. She insisted.
D
Was that girl able to do all that stuff with her eye?
Mike Filippo
She's naturally. She actually is. She's got vision impairment.
D
Okay.
Mike Filippo
Yes.
Unknown Host
She's great.
Mike Filippo
She's so good.
D
She nailed it.
Mike Filippo
Yeah. She never acted before.
D
Really?
Mike Filippo
Yeah, it was her first time acting.
D
All of the acting in both of the films was incredible. I was so impressed, especially because I didn't recognize anybody, obviously, because it's all Australian films and I was so impressed by the acting and everyone. Obviously. I'm sure you guys had a lot to do with that, but they all scared the out of me and I.
Unknown Host
Believe the hell out of all of them.
Mike Filippo
It's about finding the right people and especially the audition process. Yeah, it's in the auditions and everyone's so committed and down. So yeah, we're blown away by everyone. Especially with young actors and everything. You just let them know, like, there's no such thing as a bad take and. And you can change dialogue if you want to. Don't be embarrassed about anything. You're not letting anyone down. Yeah, it's like, like building up a trust and letting them know that. That it's okay to. To fail. Like, there's no wrong or right take. It's just about finding it.
Unknown Host
I also think that you are setting A good benchmark for responsible auteurs making stuff because, like, again, you name two alters like William Friedkin, Roman Polanski, both famously not great guys.
Mike Filippo
William freaking.
Unknown Host
Well, just William freakin was just a crazy guy.
Mike Filippo
He was crazy.
Unknown Host
But you guys were. But that's just wonderful to see. You're setting a great new tone. And you're ma. And you're not only setting a great friendly tone, but you're also making truly horrible and horrendous movies. And that's the best in the world.
Mike Filippo
I can't wait to make another movie. Yeah, I just want to be on set already.
Unknown Host
It's getting there, man. Don't worry. They'll force you. They're going to make it. So check out Bring Her Back, please. One of the. I'm going to say it's probably the best horror movie of the year so far already. So far, yeah.
D
So far, yeah.
Unknown Host
I mean, we saw Sinners. It's like sinners, obviously it's like Sinners in this. Or like ob. They're going to be. You know, you and Ryan Coogler going.
D
To have to fight Big year.
Mike Filippo
We might have to fight.
Unknown Host
You might have to fight him.
D
Kick the out of you.
Mike Filippo
He might kick the out of me. I would not survive that. And he's way more talented than he.
D
So.
Unknown Host
Danny, Michael Filippo, thank you for lowering yourself to be.
Mike Filippo
We enjoyed being here.
D
Oh, go have fun in New York. Promote the out of this thing, man.
Mike Filippo
Thank you, sir. Have fun. The alien thing.
Unknown Host
We will. We'll see.
Mike Filippo
Farewell, vfx. I'm gone.
Unknown Host
Guys. Thank you so much, man.
Podcast Information:
In this special episode of Last Podcast on the Left, the hosts engage in an in-depth conversation with Danny and Michael Philippou, the creative minds behind acclaimed horror films like "Talk to Me" and their latest project, "Bring Her Back." The episode delves into their journey from amateur YouTubers to professional filmmakers, exploring the inspirations, challenges, and creative processes that define their work.
Danny and Michael Filipou share their evolution from creating stunt videos on YouTube to directing feature-length horror films. They discuss how their early experimentation with stunts and extreme performance art laid the foundation for their storytelling abilities.
Michael Filippo: "The YouTube stuff was just practicing to become filmmakers. That was always the goal, always the aim." ([04:44])
Danny Filippo: "Horror movies are probably my favorite genre of movies." ([02:51])
The conversation shifts to their latest film, "Bring Her Back," highlighting its release, critical reception, and the thematic intricacies that set it apart in the horror genre. They emphasize the film's "lived-in" feel, world-building, and character development that resonate deeply with audiences.
Unknown Host: "Bring her back is kind of also the same where you're dropped into a world that's already going like, can you..." ([09:02])
Michael Filippo: "We’re designing right now that is like the hand of Talk to Me to the Bring Her Back universe." ([10:10])
Danny and Michael cite a range of influences, from classic horror staples like "The Shining" and "Exorcist" to modern films such as "Hereditary" and "Let the Right One In." They discuss how these films inform their approach to creating suspense, building narratives, and developing complex characters.
Michael Filippo: "I love world building. I love, like, building out the Bible and the backstory..." ([09:27])
Unknown Host: "My truly favorite modern horror film is Hereditary..." ([35:28])
The Philippou brothers recount various on-set anecdotes, including interactions with actors, the challenges of shooting intense scenes, and maintaining a collaborative environment. They emphasize the importance of trust and flexibility during the filmmaking process.
Danny Filippo: "We are blown away by everyone. Especially with young actors and everything." ([56:10])
Michael Filippo: "There’s no such thing as a bad take... it’s about finding it." ([56:35])
Looking ahead, Danny and Michael discuss their plans for future projects, including potential sequels to "Talk to Me" and "Bring Her Back," as well as a documentary on Death Match Wrestling. They express enthusiasm for expanding their creative horizons while staying true to their passion for horror.
Michael Filippo: "We are going to do the documentary next." ([36:46])
Danny Filippo: "People are going to be coming to see them if you make them." ([37:00])
The interview is peppered with humorous exchanges and personal stories that showcase the Philippou brothers' camaraderie and unique sense of humor. From playful banter to shared childhood memories, these moments add depth to their personalities beyond their professional achievements.
Unknown Host: "Do you ever get in fight as brothers?" ([23:20])
Danny Filippo: "We used to fight people in the neighborhood. Yeah, we were pretty cool." ([23:25])
Danny and Michael reflect on the essence of horror storytelling, emphasizing the balance between eliciting fear and evoking profound emotional responses. They discuss the significance of leaving certain elements unexplained to engage the audience's imagination, making their films more impactful.
Danny Filippo: "My biggest pet peeve with horror movies is when they over explain and you guys really leave it up to us to figure it out." ([11:47])
Michael Filippo: "It's terrifying because you can't differentiate that line now. And you're lost between those things." ([13:15])
As the episode wraps up, the hosts wholeheartedly endorse "Bring Her Back," positioning it as a standout horror film of the year. Danny and Michael express their gratitude for the opportunity to share their work and hint at exciting developments on the horizon.
Unknown Host: "One of the best horror movies of the year so far." ([57:08])
Danny Filippo: "We enjoyed being here. Have fun promoting the movie." ([57:50])
Notable Quotes:
This episode serves as an insightful exploration into the creative minds behind "Bring Her Back," offering listeners a comprehensive understanding of Danny and Michael Philippou's approach to horror filmmaking, their personal experiences, and their vision for the future.