Episode 615: The Montauk Project Part I - The Truth Behind The Truth Behind The Lies

Summary

Last Podcast on the Left - Episode 615: The Montauk Project Part I - The Truth Behind The Truth Behind The Lies

Introduction

In Episode 615 of Last Podcast on the Left, hosts Ed Larson, Henry Zabrowski, and Marcus Parks delve deep into the enigmatic and controversial Montauk Project. This episode serves as the first part of a two-part series aiming to unravel the complex web of conspiracy theories surrounding Montauk, blending historical events, alleged government experiments, and extraterrestrial involvement.

The Origins of the Montauk Project

The discussion begins with the hosts tracing the origins of the Montauk Project back to the 1940s, situating it within a broader tapestry of 20th-century conspiracy theories like MKUltra and the Philadelphia Experiment. Ed Larson articulates, “At its core, the Montauk Project is what happens when you take a handful of the great conspiracy theories of the 20th century... and put them all into one building in Long Island” (04:15).

Wilhelm Reich and Orgone Energy

A significant portion of the episode focuses on Wilhelm Reich, an Austrian psychoanalyst whose theories on orgone energy laid the groundwork for the Montauk Project’s alleged experiments. Henry Zabrowski critiques Reich’s credibility, stating, “He is definitely a pseudoscientist” (23:31), while Larson explains Reich’s controversial experiments with orgone accumulators designed to harness and manipulate this supposed universal energy.

Fort Hero and Military Involvement

Transitioning to the military’s role, Larson details the transformation of Fort Hero (now Camp Hero State Park) from a concealed Air Force base into the epicenter of the Montauk Project. He notes, “As do I. Instead, Fort Hero, prior to being the site of the Montauk Project, was also where some of the most infamous alleged military experiments in history took place like the Phoenix Project and the Philadelphia Experiment” (17:34). The hosts discuss the military’s fascination with weather manipulation and psychic technologies, citing the creation of devices like the Sage Array and the Montauk Chair used for mind control and time travel experiments.

Montauk Boys and Mind Control Experiments

A particularly disturbing aspect covered is the Montauk Boys—groups of abducted children and teenagers subjected to mind control and genetic manipulation. Zabrowski emphasizes the dark nature of these experiments: “These mind-controlled Montauk boys were thereafter sleeper agents who could be activated by the government at any time to form gangs of vigilantes who could eliminate enemies of the government” (65:42). The conversation reveals horrific methods allegedly used, including exposing children to various microwave frequencies to control their psyches.

Preston Nichols and Peter Moon: The Whistleblowers

The episode introduces Preston Nichols and Peter Moon, co-authors of the definitive book on the Montauk Project. The hosts dissect their credibility, with Zabrowski mocking Nichols’ inconsistent narratives: “Preston Nichols is the ultimate example of an old school... a pure example of an old school... people can’t know my whole history because I’m the most secret man to ever live” (75:53). Larson adds, “As far as the Montauk Project mind control program worked, the programmers focused on board boys ages 9, 14, and 19, because those ages were considered peak points for mind control manipulation” (68:36).

Alien Involvement and Treaties

Larson elaborates on the alleged extraterrestrial agreements underpinning the project, mentioning treaties signed with the K Group and the Regalian Greys. He states, “The first treaty between an alien civilization and the US government was signed in 1913... The K Group were soon replaced in the early '50s by the Regalian Greys” (56:18). The hosts discuss the sinister motives attributed to these alien races, including the exploitation of humans for labor and experimentation in exchange for advanced technology.

Nazi Connections and Funding

Connecting back to Nazi involvement, Larson explains how "mountains of Nazi gold" from a mysterious 1943 train explosion supposedly funded the Montauk Project (54:30). The conversation critiques the plausibility of such funding sources while exploring the intertwined narratives of Nazis, alien technology, and secret government projects.

Psychic Computers and Reality Manipulation

The episode delves into the concept of psychic computers—devices purportedly developed through a fusion of Nazi technology and Reich’s orgone theories. These computers were said to display and manipulate human thoughts, a precursor to the Montauk Project’s reality-altering experiments. Larson summarizes, “The Montauk Project was able to move from controlling the minds of others to using the psychic powers of human beings to control and manipulate not just time, but reality itself” (109:34).

Cultural Impact and Hollywood Adaptations

Larson touches on the Montauk Project’s influence on popular culture, claiming that shows like Stranger Things were inspired by these conspiracy theories. He asserts, “Although the Hollywood elites have done it quite cleverly so as to make lawsuits difficult if not impossible... shows Farscape and Sliders were both based off his work” (93:43).

Conclusion and Teasers for Part II

As the episode wraps up, the hosts tease the continuation of their exploration into the Montauk Project, hinting at further revelations involving time travel, pyramids on Mars, and the enigmatic Montauk Beast. They maintain a blend of skepticism and open-mindedness, inviting listeners to join them in uncovering the deeper layers of this enduring conspiracy.

Notable Quotes

• Ed Larson (04:15): “At its core, the Montauk Project is what happens when you take a handful of the great conspiracy theories of the 20th century... and put them all into one building in Long Island.”

• Henry Zabrowski (23:31): “He is definitely a pseudoscientist.”

• Ed Larson (17:34): “Append Fort Hero... was also where some of the most infamous alleged military experiments in history took place like the Phoenix Project and the Philadelphia Experiment.”

• Henry Zabrowski (65:42): “These mind-controlled Montauk boys were thereafter sleeper agents who could be activated by the government at any time to form gangs of vigilantes who could eliminate enemies of the government.”

• Ed Larson (56:18): “The first treaty between an alien civilization and the US government was signed in 1913... The K Group were soon replaced in the early '50s by the Regalian Greys.”

Final Thoughts

Episode 615 of Last Podcast on the Left presents a compelling and intricate examination of the Montauk Project, weaving together historical events, speculative technologies, and extraterrestrial conspiracies. The hosts balance humor with investigative inquiry, providing listeners with a thought-provoking narrative that challenges the boundaries between fact and fiction. As they prepare to continue in Part II, the anticipation builds for more revelations and deeper explorations into one of the most enduring conspiracy theories of modern times.

Transcript

[Ryan Coogler]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Marcus Parks]

This is the last on the left.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? Oh, no. I have a whole theory about. Where do you think the Montauk boys went to? Generation Alba. They're little Nazi trained boys time traveling into the past. Time traveling into the future.

[Ed Larson]

Z is more the Nazis than Alpha.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm just saying. The broccoli head boys. Why do you think they had such stupid haircuts? It allows them to travel through time.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, you think the broccoli hair like resists the. The thyme juice?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Have you said any. Have you done any sort of. First of all, fuck you. Second of all, have you done an open mind, any sort of research into Tesla coils?

[Marcus Parks]

Tesla coils?

[Henry Zabrowski]

What do you think?

[Marcus Parks]

1.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what a broccoli haircut is?

[Marcus Parks]

The observatory. I watched the Tesla coil.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Do you understand what a broccoli haircut is? Yeah, a bunch of Tesla coils on top of their well groomed Nazi head like yahoo. Serious. Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Okay, now you're really getting it. Welcome to last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, I am Marcus Parks. I'm here with Henry Zabrowski. Interesting theories.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm a Montauk boy expert.

[Marcus Parks]

I bet you are.

[Henry Zabrowski]

If I go down, if I walk the street streets of Montauk, I could tell you every kind of boys.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, bring me the boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's your stickball boy. That's your boy. That's at the age of 12. That's your boy. That is gonna go on to become the new the situation and meaning that he's gonna cause a situation. Yeah. At a public grocery store.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, is this because on the way to Camp Hero on the road, as you're driving there, you will pass Hank Zabrowski Memorial Field.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't know where my father was during the 60s. He won't answer my questions. My father won't tell me. Was doing a mon talk why there was a memorial field dedicated to him there.

[Marcus Parks]

I think on the way to. I think it's dedicated to you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think if time travels real and.

[Marcus Parks]

You'Re involved with the CIA like we.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Always claimed you were. I'm in the nsa and you're in all of it, baby. I feel like all of this is. I'm seeing it all flooding back.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And I might have been divided into two different realities. And maybe that's one reality where I'm some fat face and Long island getting a memorial field based upon me because I got shot in a bank. Or is that what happened to him? I think so. Or. And then the other half of me's here living this incredible Hollywood life. Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why I'm so tired.

[Ed Larson]

That's exactly why you're so tired. And of course we have with us the open minded, Ed Larson. Very open minded this week.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm here to learn. You know, I'm going to ask some questions, sure. But I am going to try to accept the answers.

[Ed Larson]

All we ask is that you try. That's all we ask.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Very good. This is an important chapter in conspiracy theory history.

[Ed Larson]

We're talking about the Montauk Project today. This is a very important chapter. This is something that we've been wanting to cover for a very, very long time. We weren't quite ready yet, but I think now we finally got the chops to do it. We got the juice for it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. This is the noise that is technically that strings. The Philadelphia Experiment, MKUltra. All of it together in one big old fun conspiracy soup.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. I mean, at its core, the Montauk Project is what happens when you take a handful of the great conspiracy theories of the 20th century, from MK Ultra to Alien collaborations with America to secret government time travel experiments, and you put them all into one building in Long Island. Now, some of you may already know that the story of the Montauk Project was very loosely adapted into the Netflix show Stranger Things. In fact, the original pitch for Stranger Things was a found footage project called Montauk. But while Stranger Things is admittedly a delightful show and quite light hearted, the actual story of the Montauk Project or at least the story that has been presented to the world is far darker and far more unbelievable. Although you will notice similarities here and there. As Henry put it. To me, the Montauk Project is in essence the story of alien tech stolen by the Nazis to create a nation of time traveling boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what we all are looking for.

[Ed Larson]

That, however, is only part of the tale here. The story goes that between 1943 and 1984, the Montauk Project also conducted experiments that brought fearsome beasts into our reality from the plains beyond, using psychics, kidnapped children, William Reich's orgone energies, the Antichrist, and the actor Mark Hamill, who is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Still trying to fight to get his way out of this story.

[Ed Larson]

But as far as what the goal of the Montauk Project was, it mainly focused on unlocking the farthest reaches of human potential by developing our psychic abilities via alien tech. And it was the development of those abilities that led to all the time travel and monster manifestation.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it led to the scariest, funkiest lounge chair to ever exist.

[Ed Larson]

The Bon Talk chair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, we'll get to it. But this story, in essence, really, we have to remember every single corner of the story takes place in beautiful Long Island.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that every.

[Ed Larson]

The end of it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, man, the very end of it.

[Marcus Parks]

Tip of the Dick.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is where Billy Joel watches over everyone.

[Marcus Parks]

Everyone. It's. It's all celebrities now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yes. Sure, sure, sure.

[Marcus Parks]

Alec Baldwin. Ste. Bloomberg's got a compound out there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Alec Baldwin. Just be careful around there. Don't try to shoot a western around there.

[Marcus Parks]

He's on the softball team. Did you know that?

[Henry Zabrowski]

And this is. But just remember, I think a lot of what comes out of this story and why we are so obsessed with the story is I dare you to have a building in Long island and tell a bunch of Long Islanders that they can't go in it. And what they do and they go, oh, you mean tell me. Oh, I can't go fucking in there. There's nothing. Oh, I guess nothing for me to see, huh? Nothing for white pie Tony to see. You know what I mean? Yes, unfortunately, sometimes. I know, Tony, you do know everybody's business in Franklin Square. But not just. Not in this one square.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And in this little building, when you tell them you can't go in there. The people of Long island started to create a story around this location on Montauk Point.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, they're barely telling them they can't go in there. It's a six foot fence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like you can get. You could get in There to wipe my toy. I had too much pasta for Zool to see if I can't get over 6 foot fence white pie Tony can't get out of a lawn chair. You know, like, I don't understand, why don't these conspiracy theories just come to me now?

[Ed Larson]

Since the Montauk Project is such a hodgepodge of so many conspiracy theories, it can not surprisingly turn into a confusing labyrinth of pseudoscience and dead end narratives quite quickly, almost immediately. Additionally, the men who tell the story about the Montauk Project are simply put, liars of the highest degree, pathological even. Some of the claims they make about both the project and their personal lives are either impossible or so easily disproved.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But they've built it all into the storytelling.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, the co author of the definitive book on the Montauk Project, he totally cops to this. His name is Peter Moon and he says that his book, also named the Montauk Project, is not necessarily 100% true. See, that's just because some of its information is based on intuition, psychic readings, and the channeling of. Of various alien entities. Peter Moon, however, does go on to say that if at least part of his claims weren't true. Yeah. Then the mainstream media wouldn't have spent so many years not covering his book.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like Marcus here. Like what Marcus is doing. Marcus has already shut down the valve of information as we even fucking go. You tell me.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm the work.

[Ed Larson]

I'm covering the book. I'm doing it, man. I'm putting it out there. But in the conspiracy theorist mind, not covering the book is tantamount to actively suppressing the information contained therein.

[Marcus Parks]

Who published the book?

[Ed Larson]

I believe it was him.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The first one might have been like pretty legit.

[Ed Larson]

It might have been something like Pegasus Press, like, I mean, legit in the fact that he. I don't know if he had to put up his own money to put it out. I don't think it was a. It wasn't a vanity pressing. I know that for sure.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Sky Books, I'm certain. Yeah, that was out there. That was like one of those small. It was a small.

[Ed Larson]

I think they. I think it's the same imprint that put out Behold a Pale Horse.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cool.

[Ed Larson]

I think so.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm looking to meet that up. Editor what his life is like.

[Ed Larson]

You got Peter Moon on one phone call, you got Bill Cooper on the other.

[Marcus Parks]

How's the grammar in the book?

[Ed Larson]

It's fine.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, well, it's like a finely written book.

[Marcus Parks]

I just want to check.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, it's Good enough. It's definitely good enough.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But the I you forget, Marcus, is that you're not giving them the credit of the fact that every single time that they were engaged in work on the Montauk Project, they were being bombarded with hypnotic messaging from powerful radars that were being manned by boy psychics.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I am.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And I don't. You're forgetting that. And every single time you do, I'm going to put your ass right in the fucking corner.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, and I think it's interesting that a man named Peter Moon shows his ass so often.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, that's. That was. He came from a lineage of fellow ass showers.

[Ed Larson]

Now, Peter Moon brought the story of the Montauk Project to the world with his 1992 book of the same name, which was co written with a widow whistleblower who supposedly worked on the inside of the Montauk Project as a scientist for well over a decade. These two men claim that after they began publishing in the early 90s, because the Montauk Project was just one book amongst a series of books including Pyramids of the Montauk, I believe.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Which is again, just White Tony's back.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

White Pie Tony's back is covered with a lot of Montauk pyramids.

[Marcus Parks]

I usually get the red sauce, but it started to give me hotbird.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. So I gotta do is now. I take it in.

[Ed Larson]

But after they began publishing in the early 90s, these two men claimed to have been contacted by a multitude of people who worked on the Montauk project itself. People who have confirmed Peter Moon said that everything written in the book is true. Even though Peter said himself that not everything in the book is true. But Peter Moon is comfortable living with these contradictions because for him, reality is highly malleable for everyone. In fact, he says that as a general rule. If you think that you've been involved in a space time project, then you probably have, because the entire universe is, after all, a space time project in itself.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That explains all my shit with Obama and being with him. Having lunch on Saturn. Barack Obama comes into this later on.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, thank God.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, he comes in later. This also connects Project Serpo.

[Ed Larson]

It does connect to Project Serpo. Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Secret space program.

[Ed Larson]

Barack Obama on Mars. Mars and all. John Titor as well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It all connects. That makes it real.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

What is Project Serpo.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Between us and a race of aliens that we met on a planet called Serpo. They called it Serpo and we did an astronaut exchange.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Through the same mechanisms that allow them to travel through time and space.

[Marcus Parks]

Hold on. So aliens call their astronauts astronauts as well?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, we called them astronauts to make them feel better about having aliens.

[Marcus Parks]

Aliens are astronauts?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, technically. Right? Buzz Altrin was an alien on the moon. Put that in your bong.

[Marcus Parks]

Smoking damn.

[Ed Larson]

I can feel your mind opening.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You gotta understand, dude, we already have been the aliens, man.

[Marcus Parks]

We'll run some mind control on myself for next week.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Man.

[Marcus Parks]

This is gonna be great. I'm coming in up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's just gonna be doing it. That's called Whip. It's gonna be put in a plastic bag over his head to play the pass out game. You tell me that the man on the moon was ins. Inside the moon.

[Marcus Parks]

He was in the bunker.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly.

[Ed Larson]

But at the end of the day, the Montauk Project is still a classic old school conspiracy theory that folds in all the old favorites like the Philadelphia Experiment, the Reptilians and Nazis. And that's in addition to its own swerves like time traveling chairs and murderous monsters born from the human subconscious. And so let's get into the Montauk Project by starting at its location, Montauk Point, located on the easternmost end of Long island in New York State. Supposedly. And I'm gonna be using that word a lot today.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We know it's. It's a. It's a thought experiment.

[Ed Larson]

I counted it. I think in my script the word supposedly is used 29 times.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think that you need to delete it, bro. And just understand that this is concrete reality, dog.

[Marcus Parks]

There could be a couple allegedly's in there.

[Ed Larson]

Well, no, that's not. That's the thing. It's not even counting the allegedly. But supposedly. A lighthous was constructed at Montauk Point specifically on the orders of George Washington and Alexander Hamilton in 1792, through an act of Congress.

[Marcus Parks]

Great.

[Ed Larson]

The co authors of the Montauk Project point towards the construction of this lighthouse as proof that the idea of doing clandestine scientific research at Montauk Point was something that has been planned since the founding of our country, but it only came to pass starting in the 1940s.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm only going to give a little bit of pushback here only because a lighthouse is something that you can immediately see. So it doesn't really make any sense.

[Ed Larson]

It's just marking it. It's just like, hey guys, if you want to do clandestine scientific research sometime in the future of this country, this is a good place for it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's actually the opposite of what you want to do with a clandestine clandestine research Facility. You don't want to put anything that has any sort of. Like that. You notice it.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It also, you know, it has nothing to do with the fact that it's the closest point of the United States to England.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, and. And the Nazis.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And there's a giant sandbar that goes out 100 yards that could make any ship run ashore.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa. Cool.

[Ed Larson]

But that's just part of it. That's part of it. That's a happy accident. That's a happy coincidence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When they start digging.

[Ed Larson]

1792.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well. Well, that's why they got seven floors.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's why the Montauk project had seven basements.

[Ed Larson]

Seven basements underground. Now, just west of Montauk Point is Camp Hero State park, which, until 1981, was an air Force base called Fort Hero. As far as why Fort Hero was built in this spot specifically, it was believed that if the Germans had decided to invade the United States During World War II, Montauk was a likely invasion point. So to protect from invasion, we built Army, Navy, Air Force, and Coast Guard installations at Camp Hero, then disguised the entire base to look like a New England fishing village by painting windows on the concrete bunkers and putting ornamental roofs on the barracks to fool possible German spies.

[Marcus Parks]

But it didn't, because there were Nazi spies that landed on the beach in Montag.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And then eventually went through the Long Island Railroad to the city and got caught in D.C. it's just such a.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Funny idea of Nazi spies in Long island just being like, hey, what's the nice pointy hat? Hey, what are you doing? Oh, hey.

[Ed Larson]

Whoa.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, just, like, yell at me like, you're Nazi. This is white. Don't fuck with New Yorkers and Nazis, all right? Long Islanders hate Nazis.

[Marcus Parks]

They really do. Even if they're racist, they'd still hate Nazi.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's funny.

[Ed Larson]

I mean, the largest Nazi rally in American history was held at Madison Square Garden.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, technically, not on Long Island.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that was booked from outside of town.

[Marcus Parks]

And there was just another one there last year.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I remember. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Now, the military base story is reasonable, but the authors of the Montauk Project maintain that Fort Hero was never just a simple outpost for protecting us from the Germans or testing torpedoes like the government wants you to believe.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Mouse thinking. Not giant thinking.

[Ed Larson]

Mouse thinking.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's a new thinking.

[Ed Larson]

That's a new one for me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Baby. Baby thinking. Baby mouse thinking. Small fries here, cheese.

[Ed Larson]

As do I. Instead, Fort Hero, prior to being the site of the Montauk Project, was also where some of the most infamous alleged military experiments in history took place like the Phoenix Project and the Philadelphia Experiment. So before we get into the Montauk project proper, let's cover the operations that supposedly led to the project's foundings. Operations that laid the groundwork for the secret government time travel mind control experiments that came to define the conspiracy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, man. Because that's the thing. What they discover what's awesome about all of this, right, Is that they all failed their way to something dumber.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Every single project was supposed to do one thing and then it just did something else. And then they just kept giving him money to fuck up. Because it seems like the US government on some level in this version of reality are all like, yeah, make it invisible. What is it doing? Great, let's make two headed guys. They're like, fuck, this is the best way to make two headed guys. They're like, no shit. I didn't even know I wanted to make two headed guys.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it's literally like, sounds like a 12 year old being like, I have an invisible battleship.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ryan Coogler]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ed Larson]

So the Phoenix Project started way back in the 1940s as a simple weather control program. Simple Phoenix Project was the the antecedent to all the projects to come. Eventually though, the Phoenix Project expanded into mind reading technology and all of it was made possible because of the work done by the infamous Austrian pseudoscientist Wilhelm Reich.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Can we even just cut the scientist out of it?

[Ed Larson]

Pseudoscientist.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He is definitely a pseudo scientist. Yeah, he's out there. I was just watching a substack of all of his. Like there's a whole thing still of getting rid of muscle armoring. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

I mean, we've always wanted to do a full segment on Wilhelm Reich and this seems like a good opportunity to do it because Reich's sideways views on science is the ship that launched a thousand crackpots. Because his theories can sound good if they hit your ear the right way, even if they have very little basis in scientific fact. Basically, Wilhelm Reich had the theory that sexual energies, or orgone energy, as he called it, they could be harnessed and used in everything from cancer treatment to weather control. And there are still plenty of people who thought he was on to something.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, that's right. Like every once in a while, which is really nice, they send a young, young lady to these first. These brand new experimental hospitals that I've been seeing using his teachings. And they just have the. The young lady experimental hospitals. Yes. They. They have the young ladies black all over the faces of children with cancer.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it just kind of makes them forget that is true.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. For a little bit. They feel a little better.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just a little bit. And they go easy speed and they're like, no, it's squirt.

[Ed Larson]

It's Oregon.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. Thank you.

[Ed Larson]

Concentrated Oregon.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what the scientist says and that's what it fixes all around. William Reich also says that the Wilhelm Reich says that our energies are like an earthworm crawling through our bodies and that we have to unleash the hardened rings of our earthworm emotional selves in order to get her come energy to her brain.

[Marcus Parks]

Can anyone be a pseudoscientist?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Yeah. You could be one. You come up with a good pseudoscientific theory. You could be one next week.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah. No, we're going to do it.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Well, let's briefly get into the actual history of Wilhelm Reich, because his work on Oregon Energy supposedly laid the bedrock for the Phoenix project, which in turn supposedly formed the basis for the Montauk project.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, definitely did. You could take it supposedly out of that one. In this world.

[Ed Larson]

In this world, yeah. Now, Wilhelm Reich began his career as an Austrian psychoanalyst who studied under Sigmund Freud. And as we all know, Freud had quite a bit to say about sex and its connection to humanity. But since sex was very much the basis of Reich's work, Freud would Warn Reich against having sexual relationships with his patients. Reich, of course, did not listen and had four of them. One relationship, in fact, turned into a marriage, and his wife eventually became a psychoanalyst herself.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Don't worry, my sweet young wife. When I lay down with you in our marriage bed, my humping, it will educate you to the ability to heal others. Oh, thank you, William. You seem saddened in today's session. Would you like a helping of my ball soup? Would that help you very much if I gave you a bit of a tug on your nip?

[Marcus Parks]

I just think it's wonderful that a story about liars from Long island starts with sex.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It does he German sex.

[Ed Larson]

Now, by the early 20s, Reich was publishing articles in Germany about the idea of, quote, orgiastic potency, which was the ability to release emotions from muscles by losing yourself in an uninhibited orgasm. Muscles was a really big thing with Wilhelm Reich.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Muscles.

[Ed Larson]

By the 30s, he'd even registered as a communist because he believed that there was a link between sexual and economic oppression. That all went south, however, when Hitler came to power in the 1930s. Figuring that Hitler's Germany wasn't the place for a swinging sexual communist, Reich left his wife and fled to Denmark with his girlfriend in 1933 when Hitler became Chancellor.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's brutal, dude. Yeah, I'm fine in Nazi Germany. I'm gonna go fuck professionally.

[Ed Larson]

From there, Reich made his way to Sweden, which he described as, quote, better than a concentration camp. Definitely is.

[Marcus Parks]

Most places are.

[Ed Larson]

Y Reich, however, met resistance in Sweden as well. See, Reich was meeting his patients for their hour long visits in his hotel room, which led local police to believe that Reich was a pimp, turning out his girlfriend to a never ending string of Swedish neurotics. Well, by 1934, Reich had moved on to Norway where he attempted to combine his psychological theories about orgasms with biology by exploring Freud's metaphor of the libido being an electrical or chemical substance. Substance. Now, Freud had himself abandoned this theory 40 years earlier, but that didn't stop Wilhelm Reich from taking Freud literally.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is one of those instances that just because someone is trained by the top minds of their field in a specific time period doesn't necessarily mean it always takes.

[Ed Larson]

No, no, no. Just because somebody has a degree or a doctorate does not necessarily mean that they are an intelligent person or that you should listen to what they have to say.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's a part of that that inspires me.

[Marcus Parks]

Some doctors, yeah, dumb.

[Ed Larson]

Got Ds. Yeah, there's always the bottom of the class. There's always, you know, everyone talks about. I was the third in my class. There's also like second to bottom.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, yeah. And those are the guys working on you like you're a horse. Those are, the guys are like, let's check the hoofs.

[Marcus Parks]

I was turning my class.

[Ed Larson]

Reich began performing experiments by attaching a device that recorded the oscillations of electrical currents to his friend. Then he would direct those friends to kiss and touch each other so he could take readings.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now play with the bottom of our titties. The dials are going crazy. And now play. Oh, let's see the feet. Let's see. Oh yes, Suck on his feet. Very good.

[Ed Larson]

From those readings, Reich began to deduce that there was some actual separate sexual energy at play here. A heretofore unknown energy. Reich spent years doing various experiments along these lines in Norway. But by 1938, Reich had made his way to the big time. The United States of America.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Within a year, Reich announced that he had discovered the very biological cosmic energy that Freud had touched upon in his own studies of human sexuality decades previous. Reich dubbed his discovery Orgone energy. And he soon after opened a new branch of science called Orgonomy to study it.

[Marcus Parks]

I love folding paper. It's not great for podcasts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, no, no.

[Marcus Parks]

But you know, if you guys want to fold some paper, I'll fold some people.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He loves it. Anything, anything he can smoke, he'll put it right in his mouth. Do you think that there's any comparison or anything? You think that he was inspired at all?

[Marcus Parks]

Did you think.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Do you think that he, he was inspired by Vril energy at all?

[Ed Larson]

Vril Energy? I don't think so. Cuz Vril energy was very much a more of a Nazi thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm just saying I wonder if he got any of that reading too, cuz.

[Ed Larson]

Like he may have. It's quite possible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The idea of sloshing around energies was a big thing inside of Germany.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I, I, I think he may have had some influence, but, you know, he wanted to take it his own direction and he was very horny and, you know, super. There's nothing, there's nothing horny about Vril Energy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it's all about beating other races at the oly.

[Ed Larson]

Now all this sounds pretty goofy and it is, but Wilhelm Reich took it extremely seriously. And once he got infected by the American entrepreneurial spirit, his experiments around Oregon energy became quite intense. Even though he didn't have a license to practice medicine in the United States.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's a real American. He showed up, he got rid of that European garbage and understood it is better sometimes to ask, ask for forgiveness rather than ask for permission.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I'm a doctor.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's how you know.

[Ed Larson]

After finding out all he could by experimenting on animals, Reich moved on to experiments on humans in his basement. There he would enclose nude Test subjects in 5 foot tall plywood boxes lined with rock wool and sheet iron. These were materials that were meant to concentrate the Oregon energies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I hope you guys are ready to get horny. I'm going to be hitting the nails a bit harder for a little while. Okay. Would you just stay here, be naked, horny, avoid splinters at all costs because that seems to really affect what horny reading means right now. I'm not horny. Very good. Honestly, I like going to zero. We need to build layers of horniness.

[Marcus Parks]

I feel like I'm getting less horny.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Very good. Interesting.

[Marcus Parks]

I thought getting naked would make me more horny, but now I'm just scared, which I know means the same thing, but on both.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Is it clever of me?

[Ed Larson]

Well, basically these boxes were a sort of Faraday cage, which Faraday cages are normally used to block electromagnetic fields. Reich, however, called his boxes orgone accumulators. Reich claimed that an orgon accumulator could grab the orgon out of the air because orgone is around us at all times.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Clouds.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And it could transfer the orgone to the new test subject in a constant concentrated dose. All while he sat nude in the box. He or she, of course.

[Marcus Parks]

Accumulators.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Are you coming yet?

[Marcus Parks]

I'm coming. I'm cooping later.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Are you, Are you horny yet? You want me to poke some holes in the box?

[Ed Larson]

What was Reich's theory? That bombarding the box with Oregon energy could kill cancer and cure schizophrenia, amongst other things. And he used these boxes on hundreds, hundreds of subjects over the years. Now, despite heavy criticism from the scientific community, and I do mean heavy criticism.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why he was a doctor. Everyone likes a quote, unquote.

[Ed Larson]

Dr. Wright continued his research on Oregon energy, but eventually went too far when he opened the Organomic Infant research center in 1950. The Oirc, as it was called, aimed at preventing, quote, wrote muscular armoring in children from birth.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Orgone energy of course was supposed to prevent so called muscular armoring, which was bad. It's bad and I suppose had something to do with negative feelings getting stuck in the muscles.

[Henry Zabrowski]

How dare you say something so simple. Yes, it is that so much stuff. There's a certain position, they call it the Reich position. I can't do it here, obviously, because.

[Marcus Parks]

You have to have sex with a baby.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's called the ending. You have to start in a position you lay on your back, right. And then muscle armoring means that yes, your negative energies make your muscles tense. And you can do a series of very hidden proprietary breathing and muscle exercises that relinquish each ring of muscles to allow again the come energy to go from your or balls to your spiritual center in your brain.

[Ed Larson]

Not just there, but also the orgone energy is around us all the time. Yes, we got. And it's in the soil too.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You need to get with Faraday cages though. That's the problem is that you have to then yourself have a Faraday cage and an organ accumulator and you then have to be horny and it helps.

[Marcus Parks]

You do butt kegels.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the only thing that allows me to get my butthole tighter. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You know what those are called?

[Henry Zabrowski]

What?

[Marcus Parks]

Bagels.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Funny enough.

[Ed Larson]

But the problem with combining children with research that focuses on sexual energy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, what's wrong with that?

[Ed Larson]

It tends to bring out the perverts. When you start advertising for job opportunities in the paper.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Honestly, I was looking at this the declassifieds for weeks and I just want to say thank you so much for the opportunity. I actually have a lot of experience in this field. I've made a lot of babies and nervous. I made a lot of children scream. Is there any way I can get in there? Because my family's sick and tired of.

[Marcus Parks]

Me looking for single white male. A big baby's horny.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Actually it's kind of my special.

[Ed Larson]

That's the thing. While nobody had any allegations against Reich himself, many people later reported sexual assaults at Reich's research center. Sexual assaults that were perpetrated by Reich's employees.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's called the process.

[Ed Larson]

The Reich formed a team of 30 therapists who would stand before naked children in Reich's basement, all while Reich described each child's so called blockages.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That kid's got the fat belly. He's bad at baseball. He can't skate sport, he can't ride bike. He's a bad singer that kids. He's too serious for his own good.

[Ed Larson]

And as you can see, this one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Loves cake too much. Oh, I like little chubby or like a chubby belly. He must be cut off.

[Ed Larson]

Well, Reich then instructed these therapists in what he called Vegeto therapy, which involved, among other things, massaging the children.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I'll be right back. Chili for that? I. I brought My own oil.

[Ed Larson]

Reichstitute, however, lasted for a surprisingly long period. Two years.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

But it was finally shut down after a parent reported that one of Reich's therapists. Therapists. Had taught her five year old son how to masturbate. And the charges were only dropped after Reich agreed to shutter the institute's doors.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Maybe we need to slow down the research.

[Marcus Parks]

God, imagine like if I knew how to masturbate at 5, I'd be a useless human being.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What? Yeah, at 5. Yeah, I went real early at 5's early. I figured it out.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's crazy. Boy will figure it out. You don't need to teach boy. A boy's got. All he needs is his hands, his penis and a couple of TV guides. He doesn't need William Reich. He doesn't need an instructor.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, William Reich did have his boys and his therapist to help out. And by the way, the Sean Connory joke from Celebrity Jeopardy. Saying the therapist are the rapist really works here.

[Ed Larson]

It really.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It really does.

[Ed Larson]

It does appreciate.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Well, eventually the people who took Reich down for good were the fda because they began taking issue with all the bogus claims Reich was making about his Oregon accumulators. Turns out, no proof they actually worked. Reich in turn accused the FDA of being.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wait a second. What about all the kids I made horny? Wait a second. I have that adult. I have seven naked adults in a Faraday kitchen. What do you mean it's not working?

[Ed Larson]

Reich in turn accused the FDA of being government hoodlums. And he was soon after arrested for violating an order to not ship Oregon accumulators or their parts across state lines. Minds. Wilhelm Reich was therefore sentenced to two years in prison and actually died in Lewisburg Federal Penitentiary in 1957 from a heart attack.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh yes, the home of the rape therapist.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's kind of funny because, you know, a lot of people were inspired by him, but I actually didn't know he died in prison.

[Ed Larson]

He died in prison?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. It seems to be. I. To me, I feel like that would be a black mark on the. The research history.

[Ed Larson]

It usually is. But the problem is that Wilhelm Reich lives on the fringes. And people who live on fringes, you know, stuff like this is a badge of honor.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Ed Larson]

You know, and it also the stuff about Vilhelm Reich, like it really does go back into the idea of conspiracy theory and distrusting the government and all that. Because these people that believe in Vilhelm Reich's theories, they're often the same type of people who don't believe in vaccines and they can point towards the FDA as like, look at this evil, this evil branch of government. They went in and they destroyed this good man who was just trying to make our babies horny and healthy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's it. All baby want. All he wanted was the baby to get super horny so you can give it the power to time travel.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's it.

[Marcus Parks]

He was, he was the inventor of the Wilhelm cream.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The wil cream is, was actually what they first used to help the children learn how to masturbate.

[Ed Larson]

Oh yeah. There a bunch of kids going.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is rough that. Yeah, I, I, I see what you're saying too because you're it, it's the truth. He's a, it's hard. Everybody kind of took it around with it. Oh.

[Ed Larson]

Where we're at right now in American history, world history, when it comes to all this shit like this is stuff that's been accumulating. Excuse the term, but it's been accumulating for decades upon decades upon decades. Damn near a century now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Literally. I just typed in Wilhelm Reich processes and the amount of current substacks of people actively teaching Reich's stuff in 2025 is very interesting. And it just shows. We just are, we're still in it.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

It's what, 75 years later?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. But despite Wilhelm's claims that the government was out to get him because of his Oregon accumulators, it is said that the Phoenix project, the antecedent to the Montauk project, they used Wilhelm Reich's theories about Oregon as the basis for weather manipulation, amongst other things. See, according to Reich, the other side of Oregon Energy is that it was also responsible for bad weather. Dead Orgon was said to be found in thunderstorms and hurricanes. And in the 40s, Reich supposedly invented a device called a cloud buster that could either build up Oregon Energy in the air or disrupt dead orgone through broadcast. And broadcast is going to be a very important thing for the Montauk project.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yes, it's a, it is the most radar based thing by possible.

[Ed Larson]

The theory goes that Project Phoenix was partly about controlling the weather using Reich's Orgon technology. Now, according to our whistleblowers, Reich's technology actually worked, but the government abandoned the project because it would open them up to lawsuits if their ability to control the weather was made public.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Who's gonna sue them? Is the weather gonna sue them?

[Ed Larson]

No, people whose buildings are destroyed by thunderstorms that were possibly, you know, created by the government.

[Henry Zabrowski]

If the government fucking cared about that ever. Once.

[Ed Larson]

They really don't.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They don't give a shit about that. They. If they wanted to control the weather, they definitely would.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And it wouldn't be this bad.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it would be. It would. Well, you know, they did talk about that we. We might actually, though, have an earthquake weapon.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, really?

[Henry Zabrowski]

There is some talk that we might have an earthquake weapon. And it's very different. Different. It literally has to be, like, drilled into the ground. It's like a whole thing that.

[Marcus Parks]

It's Kwame from Captain Planet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Was that the one? No, he's Art.

[Marcus Parks]

No, Kwame was the. Was the. The guy with the African guy, right?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Who's the other one?

[Ed Larson]

That would be.

[Marcus Parks]

No, no. Incorrect.

[Ed Larson]

Absolutely not. Richard. Richard. Yeah. Richard Mati.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was the dumb one.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Guess what? What? Heart didn't do jack. Mati.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. Am I. Am I totally crazy? I thought there was some truth to cloud busting.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Maybe cloud seeding.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know, they do that with kind of. When in all of the weird chemtrail conspiracy theories. There's a lot of weather manipulation in that too. We do have. We can make rain. We can make rain. We could do. But I feel like it's very.

[Marcus Parks]

If we can, though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, we can.

[Marcus Parks]

Why not do it over Los Angeles?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because I think it's extremely unpredictable and it. With weather patterns, and I think that's why they don't do it.

[Ed Larson]

I think it's also really expensive as well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I. I imagine and imagine also it might, like, poison us over time.

[Ed Larson]

Maybe.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Who knows?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Side stories. LPOTL gmail.com because that's actually. There is a whole world of legit weather manipulation that's been around. It's just. What. That's the fun thing about conspiracy theory is that stuff like this really does cloud effectively. Stuff that might actually be real. That's what's. That's why they like these being out on the Internet.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You sound like a Nimbus right now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Tell me that. You bet. I'm about to cumulus all over your forehead, buddy.

[Ed Larson]

But weather control was not the only goal behind Project Phoenix. See, while Reich had fled Germany to avoid Nazi persecution, the US Government during Project Phoenix, allegedly combined his orgon technology with Nazi psychological research to develop up psychic computers.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

As to what a psychic computer is?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. What is it?

[Ed Larson]

AI? No, no, no. A psychic computer. This is totally different from AI Christ, man. Jesus Christ.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Totally different. It's so, so different.

[Ed Larson]

It makes you want to scream.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. It could be when it Grows up, buddy.

[Ed Larson]

Well, a psychic computer. Peter Moon claimed that sensor technology was developed in the 50s that could use a computer to display what a person was thinking on a mind reading machine. It was said that Congress, however, once again got cold feet. Supposedly they were afraid that the psychic computers could be used to control congressmen, so they shut down this portion of Project Phoenix as well. Now, the man allegedly behind the Phoenix Project was a Hungarian scientist named Dr. John von Neutral Newman. Von Neumann was actually a very real mathematician, one of the most well respected and accomplished in history. He contributed to the development of quantum physics, digital computers. Big part of the Manhattan Project. And I met it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The Yo Yo. Get out of here. Dr. Von Don Moyman.

[Ed Larson]

I'm the yo yo man you want to taste. So this conspiracies are already sullying this incredible mind and you want to sully him even further by claiming he invented the Yo Yo.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I will say anything I want about that piece of. I will attack him wholeheartedly. And I, I hate him and I hate his family. And I wish I could dig up his grave and play with his bones.

[Marcus Parks]

You can. It's just to put you in prison.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, you know, maybe I want to go three hots in a cotton.

[Ed Larson]

But according to Author Peter Moon, Dr. John von Neumann was also one of the minds behind the Phoenix Project Project. And the government therefore brought back Dr. Von Neumann and the rest of his team to Montauk Point. When the next big military experiment was cooked up in the late 40s. The next iteration was known as Project Rainbow. But some of you might know it better as the Philadelphia Experiment. It took place in Montauk on the very spot where the Montauk Project would also be developed. Now, the Philadelphia Experiment was an alleged top secret World War II era project that had the initial goal of rendering a battleship invisible to enemy radar by creating an electromagnetic bottle that diverted radar waves around the ship. Which sounds fairly reasonable.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It sounds like that could be a thing that might be done.

[Ed Larson]

Possible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it's, you know, apparently it's very difficult and it turns you into a bunch of. Of jello.

[Ed Larson]

Well, according to the legend, the Philadelphia Experiment went awry when the battleship used in the experiment, the USS Eldridge, turned invisible, then suddenly reappeared in Norfolk, Virginia, 600 miles south of Montauk Point.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And we also have a whole series on this from many years ago. And we covered this very thickly. Technically, that's what's awesome about our lives and how long we've been doing this, is that that series connects to this series, which MKUltra lies on top of it. JFK is right after it. Yep.

[Ed Larson]

Well, supposedly the surviving crew on board the Eldridge were found at best confused and disoriented. At worst, some sailors found themselves fused into the bulkheads of the ship itself as a result of the unintended consequence of teleportation.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, you know that Nikola Tesla was told ahead of time by the aliens that he was conversing with that when he was working on the Philadelphia Experiment, that they said that they would kill the. The participants in the experiment. So Nikola Tesla, on the first one of Philadelphia Experiment, actually threw it so it wouldn't work because he knew that the aliens would be mad about it. And so then Nicholas Nikola Tesla, instead of getting fired, he said, I quit.

[Ed Larson]

Nikola Tesla in the. In the year 1943.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep.

[Ed Larson]

How was he there?

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was there spiritually, but also physically because time is nonlinear. Tom Tight. He worked on the first Philadelphia experiment.

[Ed Larson]

When was that?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Before this one?

[Marcus Parks]

1776.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're still seeing the results of it.

[Ed Larson]

Well, as for the sailors who were just confused. Yeah, of course. Well, you're the one. You interrupted me right in the middle of it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Before we get.

[Marcus Parks]

Are there any pictures of this? Like what? Because I.

[Ed Larson]

Pictures of what? The invisible battleship?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

The people fuse to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, that would be just. That's evidence.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But that's. Would be bad for the government to have. So that's why they destroyed it.

[Marcus Parks]

What about those. Those soldiers and they had their families.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Most of them died a year after the Philadelphia Experiment. Effects for those that went on to work on the Montauk.

[Marcus Parks]

Is that true?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Wow, that's pretty cool. Yeah. Well, as for those who were just confused and disoriented.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was in Long Island. Nikola Tesla went to Long Island.

[Ed Larson]

Fine. Lots a lot of people.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not.

[Ed Larson]

It's not Tora Bora. It's Long Island. It's right next to New York City. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Brooklyn is technically Long Island.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

Sorry. Well, as for the sailors who were just confused and disoriented as a result of the Philadelphia Experiment, many had to be discharged from service and rehabilitated because the experience was so traumatic. And it's said that most never recovered from the total mental breakdown that the experiment caused. Caused. Now, officially, Project Rainbow was halted after the supposed accident. But according to Peter Moon, the Philadelphia Experiment was only the beginning of what went on at Montauk Point. Supposedly, Dr. Von Neumann and his team spent 10 years studying the effects that the Philadelphia Experiment had on human bodies and specifically the human brain. Eventually, it's said that they learned that humans are born with a time reference point, which they claimed was the basic orientation point each person has that connects them to the universe. And the way the universe operates.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like you have like a serial number.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Or a birth date.

[Ed Larson]

Not. No.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Thank you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right? Yeah. God.

[Ed Larson]

But no, I would say it's more like a barcode. You know, it's like a barcode. Like you scan the barcode and the barcode gives you information.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

But if the time reference point is changed, as it was with the crew of the USS Aldridge when the Philadelphia Experiment hurdled them through Time inspection space, then those who experience a change in reference point can suffer from extreme psychic trauma. The way Peter Moon put it, a human's energy is attached to a timeline in this universe. But the Project Rainbow technology created an artificial separate reality that was completely different from our own timeline, which is how the ship and the men aboard were able to travel through time and space and turn invisible. They hopped over to the artificial reality, then came back to ours. But when the men of the USS Eldridge were sent to that artificial timeline, they received energy from the wrong universe. And the inability to sync with that energy caused the widespread insanity. It's sort of like the. The barcode. It's like if you. You pop it and you get the wrong type of reader, then it's not going to work.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. And then you're stuck in it. They tried to just do it with it. So again, the long. Short of whatever the. The actual Philadelphia Experiment was that they were supposed to use electromagnetic field. They thought that's what was going to be just kind of a. More an innocent way.

[Marcus Parks]

They weren't actually invisible. It was more of like there was magnets protecting them from radar.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly. But. And. And ph. You could not look see it while you were looking at it. But accidentally they sent it to another timeline. And the only thing that you can do to end that timeline is to close the loop and bring them back. Because everyone's on their own timeline. That means you don't actually affect the future, because the future is actually your singular view of the future.

[Ed Larson]

You.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Each one of us has a proprietary timeline that we are all on and cannot escape. Escape from.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Unless someone goes back in time and with the entire timeline.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, but that's only for you.

[Marcus Parks]

But that doesn't make any sense.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It does, though.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now that's what they say about this.

[Marcus Parks]

How long did it take for. In Project Rainbow for the USS Eldridge to reappear from Montauk to Virginia.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It was instantaneous.

[Marcus Parks]

It was instantaneous.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's pretty.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It went and then it showed up in Norfolk, Virginia with all these dudes stuck inside of the. The hole.

[Ed Larson]

Now, supposedly Dr. Von Newman petitioned Congress for funding to figure out ways to prevent insanity when using Project Rainbow technology. But Congress, ever the scaredy cats in this story, they turned down the proposal out of fear of what would happen if the technology fell into the wrong hands.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Meanwhile, we had the Manhattan Project. We had all this. It's just so funny to think that Congress would ever say no to new weapons. That is the funniest depart. That is the most implausible part of all of this story.

[Ed Larson]

Yes, Project Rainbow and Project Phoenix were then supposedly folded into the military, who were particularly excited to get their hands on a piece of radar equipment used in Project Phoenix called the Sage Array. Now, the Sage Array is a very real thing and actually still exists on Long island in Camp Hero State park as a part of the remaining structure of the military base. But in Peter Moon's world, the Sage Array operated in a frequency window that could break in to human consciousness.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

So once the military had the Sage Array, they refocused the project towards mind control and psychic powers, thus beginning Phoenix Project 2, better known by the much catchier name of the Montauk Project.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, you know why it fed directly in was a part of the white way they said the cloudbusters would work is from people, people pinging Oregon Energy off of the receptors inside of the floating cloudbusters.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So what they said is this began. So it started as this weather manipulation thing. And they saw, they started using psychic connection, using Oregon Energy. And eventually they're like, now that we know that the brain you can hack into human consciousness by according to this, these rules, by getting on the same frequency that is coming out of our brains. That is what allows you to see our thoughts onto a television screen. That's what they use. Right. But then they're like, well, if we can see in, why can't we also talk to it directly? Why can't we just go right into the center of somebody's brain, which is then the second layer.

[Ed Larson]

Now, as I said, Congress reportedly refused to fund any of this stuff. But the authors of the Montauk Project book claimed that they were told by so called Montauk acquaintances that the entire operation was funded by what else but mountains of Nazi gold. Cool. Allegedly, During World War II, a train carrying 10 billion in Nazi gold was traveling through a tunnel in France when the whole Thing blew up. The cause of the explosion was a mystery, and the gold was never officially recovered. But according to the whistleblowers, that 10 billion in Nazi gold was used to fund the Montauk Project for years.

[Henry Zabrowski]

AAC got pile Nazi gold dead. That's kind of nice. It's kind of nice. You ever had any Nantucket Green? Come on. It's the worst weed I ever had. You're going to be so thankful. You're going to be so thankful, you're not going to get scared. Smart. Smoking it. You gotta try it. Okay. All right. Hey, you know, I'm just an acquaintance tell you what to do with your life. I'm just saying, I see you with the pile of Nazi gold, and I actually, I got this little boy I want to make psychic.

[Ed Larson]

I don't want any Montauk acquaintances. I don't want any Massapequa consequence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what I can bring to the friendship? You don't know. Take that back.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, I guess all I gotta do is just go spend a weekend in Massapequa.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, maybe you gotta. Maybe you don't know what you're missing. You Maluk Project.

[Ed Larson]

I'm missing diners. That's all I'm missing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We all are.

[Ed Larson]

But the bad, but the best diners.

[Henry Zabrowski]

In America, all in Long Island.

[Ed Larson]

And so, by the early 1970s, the Montauk project was in full swing and had expanded to performing experiments on humans, animals. Animals and aliens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. You think that was gonna happen? Ah.

[Ed Larson]

And I do realize that the alien part here does take a bit of explanation.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Not for me. Just accepting.

[Marcus Parks]

Just ready to believe.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. See, according to the authors of the Montauk Project, the first treaty between an alien civilization and the US government was signed in 1913, while the second treaty came a few decades later, in the mid-40s. These aliens who signed this treaty with the United States government were known as the K Group. And from what I can tell, these were the more benevolent aliens. Alarmed by the development of atomic weaponry, the K Group promised an exchange of alien technology in return for our abandonment of nuclear technology. But when the US Government inevitably broke the treaty, the K Group pulled out of the agreement. The K Group were soon replaced in the early 50s by the Regalian Greys.

[Marcus Parks]

The Regalian.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, and the Regalian Greys were far more evil and not at all concerned with humanity blowing ourselves up. These are the. Your classic alien Greys. The Grays. Only concern was a steady supply of bodies on which to experiment. And as long as we kept serving up bodies, they keep giving us Technology. As far as the K Group goes, I would imagine that it's K Group aliens that are experimented upon in the deepest reaches of the Montauk Project facility. Although that's just wild fucking speculation on my part.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean, it's as good as any.

[Marcus Parks]

So 1913.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

We sign a treaty with aliens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is important to know. This is true. The backbone of a lot of alien.

[Marcus Parks]

After Kitty Hawk.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, very much so.

[Marcus Parks]

We're signing treaties with aliens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay, so we're barely in the air ourselves.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Then we met aliens. They said we can.

[Ed Larson]

Well, how do you think. How do you think we got into the air after Kitty Hawk, man?

[Marcus Parks]

Fucking because of the. Fucking because of the breeze in North Carolina.

[Ed Larson]

Nah, man, I'm talking about the big fucking jumps. These big jumps.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Big jumps.

[Ed Larson]

Everyone says, like, oh, isn't humanity so fucking incredible that we went from Kitty Hawk to the moon in 60 years? Did we do that?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh.

[Ed Larson]

Or did we trade our souls to the aliens for that technology?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Marcus gets it.

[Marcus Parks]

I mean, it's just gas, right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah. We just set things up.

[Ed Larson]

It was mostly just science. Yeah. Physics.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, this is a. But this is a part that in the 1940s, when it was the G Treaty that was like, you know, we're talking about with Eisenhower. It's called the G Treaty. Okay.

[Ed Larson]

And it's actually with Eisenhower, that's the 50s.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, yeah, I was one of them. One of these fucking pieces.

[Marcus Parks]

Just keep it a timeline, right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

They knew about 911. They said nothing.

[Marcus Parks]

Eisenhower knew about 911.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Long Island. Long island based aliens. They knew 911 was coming and they did nothing.

[Ed Larson]

Well, I mean, Eisenhower did somewhat presage the war on terror, that if we, you know, he did make his famous speech that if we were to put money into the military industrial complex, then war itself would become a business and therefore never ending war would be a consequence. So.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Ed Larson]

The works of Wilhelm Reich, it's probably not a surprise that one of the Montauk project's most infamous operations involved a group of children and teenagers. These kids, programmed with psychosexual mind control techniques, came to be known as the Montauk Boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're ready to go. Suck my dick. Send me the space.

[E]

Yeah, I want to go out the.

[Marcus Parks]

Ground and I Want to suck all these dicks.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't like the molestation, but if it gets me to Saturn, start fiddling. Come on, let's go. Pop up on my peach. Come on. It is a small price to pay for knowledge. He really is me. This is my buddy Tucky. I'm over here. My name's Jonesy. This is Butchy. Remember this whole thing, this Stranger Things should have been played by the people that were in Lords of Flatbush. It was not supposed to be. Millie Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown is not a Montauk boy.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, they put that in middle America. They. They definitely changed the entire tone of the project.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, you know, it should have been two kids with a stickball. Like a whole get up a guy flipping a coin. That's what these are. It's little boys that are.

[Ed Larson]

It's the night. 1970s. There weren't kids in Long island playing stickball in the 1970s.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I played stickball.

[Ed Larson]

Do you know what stickball is?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

What is stickball?

[Marcus Parks]

It's baseball. What were the broom handles?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I played it in Queens as a little kid. Yeah, it's a very New York thing. It's a very New York thing.

[Marcus Parks]

But you can't go to the field, you know, you got to play it in the street.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, stickball. You played in the street? I played it with a broomstick.

[Ed Larson]

That's fine.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I was like a little boy one time. I was like, really out there.

[Ed Larson]

Little boy and Queens playing stick.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That guy Robinson.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Supposedly groups of young boys and teenagers. By the way, when you say, look at that guy, audience can't see that. I know, I know. It's right in front of us. But we're not doing this for us.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, you know, we are though, in a way.

[Marcus Parks]

Think of that guy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Fixed it.

[Ed Larson]

Well, supposedly groups of young boys and teenagers were abducted. Abducted from all around Long island by the Regalian gray aliens. And those boys were then delivered to the Montauk project. Once there, they were separated into three groups by age 6 to 12, 13 to 16, and 17 to 22.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Bigger problem.

[Ed Larson]

Problem. Yeah. Society's issue. Yes. The youngest group was placed into two subgroups. One for genetic manipulation and one for mind control. Control. Those who were genetically manipulated would stay on the base while the mind control group would be reprogrammed and sent back out into society to hold various high powered positions as lawyers and politicians.

[Henry Zabrowski]

How you doing? It's me, New senator Butchie Samsonetti, Long Island. You ready to have me? I want to make sure we're playing Everybody's handballs. Mandatory. All right, everybody, we'll go out to software pretzel.

[Marcus Parks]

Anybody want to kill some turkeys?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on. Do that. Come on.

[Ed Larson]

Well, these mind controlled Montauk boys were thereafter sleeper agents who could be activated by the government at any time to form gangs of vigilantes who could eliminate enemies of the government.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, an army of 14 year olds fighting the government.

[Marcus Parks]

Isn't that what we use the clan for?

[Ed Larson]

At one point, yeah. Now, these weren't armies fighting against the government. These were people. These are armies of 14 year olds or older. No, fighting Americans like killing. Killing people that were threats. Killing people like you and me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, I dare you, Montauk boys, because I'll flip you.

[Marcus Parks]

I do not dare the Montauk.

[Ed Larson]

I don't either.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're gonna get you in there. We're all gonna sit and listen to moving out together. We didn't start the fight. We have to remember that and stay strong. Okay?

[Ed Larson]

The middle group, 13 to 16, would also be subject to genetic and mind control manipulation. But these boys were reintroduced into society as so called disruptors. These disruptors worked on the opposite side of the fence, spearheading satanic movements and other similar cults to subvert society when it needed to be subverted. The oldest Montauk boys, however, were simply used as slave workers. But Montauk boys of all ages could be pulled into Montauk experiments at any time. If the scientists at the Montauk project needed a boy for whatever reason, that's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When they became Montauk men. Yeah, when they had to start working.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, also they're 18, the oldest boys. They are Montauk men.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They legally.

[Marcus Parks]

Legally, yes, they're very much Montauk men.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Unless you. But it's more of a title.

[Marcus Parks]

Also, if you have all this Nazi gold, why make them slaves? Just pay workers.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because that's what paying. You're paying for the radar, you're paying for the come bu.

[Marcus Parks]

10 billion.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're paying for the will cream that you have to use on the boys.

[Ed Larson]

10 billion goes away really quickly. And it's seven floors deep, dude.

[Marcus Parks]

Concrete shovels.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's super expensive, man. These dumbs are expensive, dog.

[Ed Larson]

It's also a part of the expansion experiment because you got to experiment to see if you can turn a very rebellious 19 year old long island boy into a slave.

[Marcus Parks]

I tell you what, with the nut Nazi gold, a little Long island boy will do anything you ask him.

[Ed Larson]

I tell you what, then he's an employee.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Rob knows how you know how you make A Long island boy. A slave is. He gets. He's just gonna make some random Montauk girl pregnant. It's just gonna be living there for the rest of his life. Life in a Billy Joel song. They're all getting pushed out by the rich. I know. I know. It's finding to be Long Island's wonderful.

[Marcus Parks]

I know some Hampton and Montauk locals and men, they're. They can't afford their own homes anymore. Too bad.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. That's why we need a bunch of disruptors to go in there and ruin these neighborhoods. They might have something here.

[Ed Larson]

As far as how the Montauk project mind control program worked, the programmers focused on board boys ages 9, 14, and 19, because those ages were considered peak points for mind control manipulation.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what the Paul brothers are doing. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

First, the boys would be placed in a room. Naked. Yes. Where. Where radio electronics would be placed on their genitals.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, you might want to need an extra set of those.

[Ed Larson]

All right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

These balls could talk. They say something like, get me out of these pants. I'm dying.

[Ed Larson]

Then a series of Pavlovian dog tests would be forced upon the boys until they were mentally and physically broken enough to accept new consciousnesses. And these tests were supposedly intense enough where many boys died in the process.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Funny.

[Ed Larson]

You got nothing to say about that.

[Marcus Parks]

Just a slight giggle to many boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Dying in the process. Like random Long island boys. Boys exploding and just being like, God damn it, we're gonna need more boys. Somebody.

[Marcus Parks]

These women.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're gonna have to go out there. Someone get me a softball team. Is there a roller hockey rink around here?

[Ed Larson]

Call up the Grays. We need another shipment of boys.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Excellent.

[Marcus Parks]

So I was talking to. I have a. I have a. A friend who. Their father grew up in Long Island. We're very. We're still close. And I called him before the show to ask, like, what he knew. He grew up in the Hamptons, in Montauk, you know, so what he knows about any of this? And I was like, did boys go missing constantly in the 60s and 70s? And he's like, I've never heard of that once.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What's funny is that in this time period, we've. Every single heavy hitter that we've covered that was a mass killer of children. They all. Every police officer was so certain that there were just bands of runaway boys and girls that were just running everywhere like they were the Lost Boys and Neverland, like the Foot Clan and shit. And it's just. I just think it was just harder to find boys well, they were.

[Ed Larson]

I mean, kids. Kids were running away from home quite a bit in the 60s and 70s, but the cops unfortunately tended to use that as an excuse to not investigate anything, even when the. The evidence was sitting right in front of him. Like Dean Corll, for example. He was the most famous, famous example in, you know, in Houston in the 1970s, you know, killed 30, 27 boys, 29, something like that.

[Marcus Parks]

Forever 27 teenagers.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. For he was. Yeah. Until one of the boys killed him. Yeah, yeah. The one of the boys that was helping him kill other boys ended up killing him when Dean Corll tried to kill the boy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it was also because Dean Corll might have been involved in a gigantic national network of making children sexual exploitation material and using that and. And that cops might have been on that. Those Rolodexes, maybe that's where we get.

[Marcus Parks]

The expression coral anal bleaching.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you. Yes, actually.

[Marcus Parks]

Wow.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I never actually never heard of coral anal bleaching.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a bleaching that gets it to a nice pink.

[Ed Larson]

A pink.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because I don't like it when they blow mine out to fully phantom white.

[Ed Larson]

Phantom white?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I don't like that because you're pink. Yeah. Oh, no. I wanted to see the polish. I don't want it just because then when my butthole is too clean, too pure, it's kind of of.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, you want a piggy hole? Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cuz then it gets uncanny valley. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm bleaching mine till it's clear.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I want to see what's coming, man.

[Ed Larson]

I stain mine, but I did crazy though. A deep dark clay brown.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, nice.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But also mine is. That's where I see my little time travel ID number is right on the rim.

[Marcus Parks]

You Want to see 6969.

[Henry Zabrowski]

6 424.

[Ed Larson]

The other side of these tests on the Montauk boys was that scientists could use alien radio technology to pick up patterns of fear and hopelessness. And some of these Montauk boys were supposedly killed at the height of their fear so they could be harvested by the Regalian gray aliens while they were full of adrenaline.

[Marcus Parks]

And that hopelessness was piped through in them through their mothers.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Yes.

[Ed Larson]

Rob, how much is your. Your Long island mother? Hopelessness or hope? Fullness.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Somewhere in between.

[Ed Larson]

But you know, this whole concept of you making boys afraid before you killed them to make sure you got the maximum amount of adrenaline, this was all written about 1992, decades before it was repurposed into Qanon lore with Montauk it's satanic panic myths with aliens replacing Satanists combined with MK Ultra, where with QAnon you've still got the government collaboration, except it's Democrats and celebrities and the deep state replacing the aliens.

[Marcus Parks]

And who lives in Montauk now? Democrats and celebrities.

[Ed Larson]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Think about it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Coming for you. Which. Who's else is there? Is Billy Joel. Who else is there?

[Marcus Parks]

Everybody's there, man.

[Ed Larson]

Talk house in the Hamptons.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, the Hamptons in Montauk. Woody Allen's there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I guess it would be considered the Hamptons. Oh yeah, Scarlett Johansson.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, everybody's out there, man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

These people are ruining Long Island. It's supposed to be for the fat and us.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, the middle is still very fat.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I know. It's supposed to be for my people. It's not supposed to be for these fancies. Gwyneth Paltrow is too skinny. She's not gonna, she's not gonna know what good local dirty Chinese is.

[Ed Larson]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Also I will say another thing about the mind control and all that. Montauk and the Hamptons is like a Mecca for Lyme disease.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, Interesting, because the real conspiracy about Lyme being generated by the government disease out of the Montauk Project, which is a whole other thing.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's a, that's a whole other series.

[Ed Larson]

It's a big side quest. Plum Island. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm sure that all of this seems pretty intense so far, but while we've already covered MK Ultra style experiments, invisible battleships and treaties between the government and alien civilizations, we've just started to scratch the surface on the Montauk Project. Now, the reason why we know about all of this in detail is because the man who co authored Peter Moon's eponymous book about the conspiracy, he was also a scientist who claimed to have been a part of the Montauk project for over a decade. This supposed whistleblower's name was Preston Nichols. And if you believe everything Preston had to say, which is asking a lot, he lived quite possibly one of the most interesting lives in human history.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Preston Nichols is a pure example of an old school. I sent the boys the oldest school possible. Three hour long documentary called Montauk Survivors which was a VHS filmed talk between Al Bilik, Duncan Cameron and Preston Nichols. And just a house, right? Yeah. And I sent it to you just so you could get it taste of what it. What conspiracy theory used to be like.

[Marcus Parks]

You could see the. The wives weren't there because they probably were never got married.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think that they were disappeared they were disappeared. But Preston Nichols is the ultimate example of this. Man has said so many different lies, different stuff, different conspiracy theories that I to this day I have no idea what he did. Yeah, I didn't know really what he like what. I don't know what was real or what was not was real. And that's an technically a compliment.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm like. Cuz that is a. That's awesome. He's a true. For to be a fat from Long island and become a mystery is awesome.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, I tried figuring it out too. Yeah. I had no idea what his real profession was throughout life. You know, he didn't really start coming out and talking about all this stuff until he was what, in his 40s or 50s? Something like that.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

So as far as like what Preston Nichols was before he became an author that was published by the same house as a Behold apparel horse. He's big question mark.

[Marcus Parks]

Is he the guy who like claimed he was like an engineer that went to University of Tampa, but then he actually didn't go to the University of Tampa?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. This is one of the things that he said.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay, co.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But that's not. That's not his most illustrious credit.

[Ed Larson]

Well, Preston Nichols said that he was an electrical engineer and an inventor. He sadly left this world in 2018. But the story he imparted before his passing is an incredible one. And it was told, as Preston put it, despite brainwashing and threats to silence him. Supposedly, Preston Nichols discovered the truth behind the Montauk project while doing telepathy research with psychics in the mid-80s. He had found psychics were having their powers suppressed by radio waves, and eventually he traced those waves directly to Montauk Point. Preston Nichols, however, soon discovered the truth behind the truth behind the lies behind the truth behind the lies and figured out that he himself had been a key figure in the Montauk project. But his memories have been wiped after the project was shut down using technology of his own making.

[Marcus Parks]

Can I ask a question, please?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sure.

[Marcus Parks]

If his memories were wiped by himself, how would he remember?

[Ed Larson]

Remember that he was also a powerful hypnotist. See, he could hypnotize himself and other people, and he also asked other people, and there were many people that told him many things. And also he asked this other guy that we're going to get into next episode. And this other guy, Duncan Cameron, he could commune with aliens and channel with aliens. And these aliens were also some of the ones that worked and with the Montauk project. And these aliens all told Preston Cameron a Lot of stuff. Who told. Who told this guy? Preston Nichols a lot of stuff. And then Preston Nichols is like, oh yeah, that's definitely what happened.

[Marcus Parks]

So Preston Nichols remembered nothing, but someone told him that he did this. And he was like, yeah, no.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What happened? Well, then he said, then it all came flooding back. Right. And then we have the real actually explanation right here. Marcus.

[Marcus Parks]

Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Now, according to Preston's co author, Peter Moon, Preston occupies nonlinear space, which means that he is operating on a conscious. Not regulated by linear thought.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Can't be controlled, can't be contained, man.

[Ed Larson]

Therefore, his memories and experiences do not always conform to linear applications.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, dude. Like taxes and work.

[Ed Larson]

Which is a nice way of saying that. It appears as if he's lying.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Quite often it's hard for him to not to lie. He was put into two separate spaces because time isn't real. Okay. And reality isn't real.

[Ed Larson]

Additionally, Preston himself wrote that while people have been quick to call his writing science fiction, that does not make him unhappy because he is aware that what he writes about is controversial.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Not many people are ready to accept what I have to say and the types of truths that I have. Because the truth, sometimes they're so confusing and they're so not real that you'd be crazed to think that it's not the truth. But actually the truth can be not real.

[Marcus Parks]

Reality not being real is a very contradictory sentence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly. It sounds like some fat guy's getting it. Are you not real too? Cuz I ain't real. I'm not real. Except when I'm ordering my pizza and then I'm present. You show up with that. That's. That is. That's some linear application I will apply to.

[Ed Larson]

Well, Preston Nichols also claims that his work has been ripped off by Hollywood countless times for TV shows and movies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It has.

[Ed Larson]

Although the Hollywood elites have done it quite cleverly so as to make lawsuits difficult if not impossible.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Also, I'm a bit not liquid at the moment.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Specifically, Preston claimed that the shows Farscape and Sliders were both based off his work.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They definitely were Sliders. Yeah. This is sliders, dude.

[Ed Larson]

No, this is not sl. This is kind of Sliders.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is Sliders. If there. If there were actual Sliders involved, the sandwiches. This is a legitimate. Like, this is sliders.

[Ed Larson]

No, sliders is. Jerry O'Connell is a brilliant science student in his. Working in his basement with Preston Nichols.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's who it's supposed to be. That's not it.

[Ed Larson]

No, no. You're just cutting me off before I can tell the Actual story. Which is nowhere near Preston Nichols. Actual story.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. With Jerry Oconnel. Tiny Burger.

[Ed Larson]

No, he built.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He built a.

[Ed Larson]

He built a dimensional hopping development device in his basement. And then he somehow brought in his professor, his. The girl that he worked with at the store and a random soul singer who happened to just be driving by at the time. And then they started hopping dimensions together using the sliding device.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know you're talking about sliders, but Rob's just put up a bunch of pictures of actual sliders.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And I'm actually super hungry. Just look at it. That's actually a great looking.

[Marcus Parks]

Really sliders in so long.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There should be more sliders around. When we go to Detroit, we should go to the. There is an entire. There's a restaurant that only serves sliders. Really? And of different meats. Yeah, buddy. That's what I'm saying.

[Marcus Parks]

This is the best part of this whole episode.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, let's cut it now. Yeah. Talk about slides.

[Marcus Parks]

Start talking about potato skits.

[Ed Larson]

But before we get into Preston Nichols biography complete completely, I will warn you that it does sort of feel his autobiography. It does sort of feel like talking to an annoying friend who tries to one up everything you say with a story that's 10 times more impressive and clearly untrue at every turn.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's the type of person that I. I honestly can't stand that does the thing where he corrects you on something so minute in a bunch of nest of other garbage. Right. It was like a whole thing where like I was in the middle of this three hour thing. They're having this like long dumb conversation about how like USS Eldrich is. Is it more. Is it considered a battleship or stuff? And he has to go like two smoke specs. It's a destroyer. And you're like you man, it's not real. It's like shut up substrate your just because you're log jamming for no reason.

[Marcus Parks]

So did the El. No one knows where the Eldridge is now.

[Ed Larson]

No, the Eldridge, I believe it existed. I believe it was a real battle show.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They had to pull it apart.

[Ed Larson]

Destroyer.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They had to pull it apart.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And they had to the do the other parts because obviously all the boys were trapped in it. So they had to pull it apart and they use that steel for other things.

[Ed Larson]

Well now, from what it seems like Preston Nichols saw himself as somewhat chosen for high strangeness as he described having his first encounter with aliens when he was just five or six years old. He saw many more UFOs over the years and Tried to capture them on film and camera.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Camera.

[Ed Larson]

But he claimed that each time the footage would go missing or it would corrupt itself. This, Preston believed, was proof that the government had had him under surveillance since childhood. Now, Preston was a sickly child, but all of Preston's health problems, including cerebral palsy, disappeared at around the age of 17.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I grew up out of it. I just. Honestly, I was over it. I was so sick of it. I was like, oh, I'm stiff.

[Ed Larson]

You know what?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm gonna stretch fun through.

[Ed Larson]

Later, hypnotic regression, Preston came to realize that he had been cured of all his ills when the alien race known as the Pleadians took him to their home planet of Alderaan for medical treatment and education. He said that along with the disappearance of his health problems, he suddenly had a mastery of electronics and a so called guiding voice appeared in his head. And it was suddenly available to give him answers to any question he had.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay, answer me a question. Ask me a question. I got the little voice in my head. It answers everything. It's easy.

[Ed Larson]

What's. What's the pie recipe down at Basta Bongis?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, well, first thing you know, you need a flower. And you need to first of all go yourself trying to even steal that secret recipe. Because now I know you're trying to catch me. Slugworth. That's what this is. You're Slugworth, aren't you?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're out.

[Ed Larson]

Sorry.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm sorry. I'm Slugworth.

[Ed Larson]

I'm sorry.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm Slugworth. Don't you make me willy walk up.

[Marcus Parks]

Now. What type of UFOs did the Palladians use?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Big ones. That easy. Cool.

[Marcus Parks]

I had him begging for fill with palladiums.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Super long way. A lot of this.

[Marcus Parks]

And where are the Palladians from?

[Ed Larson]

The Pleiad system? From the planet of Alderaan.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Oh, okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

From Alderaan.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

And that is where Star Wars.

[Ed Larson]

The Pleiade system. It's. Yeah, the Pleiade system. Out in the spiral arm. Beetlejuice, I think. Something betelgeuse. Binary star system, Alpha Centauri.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, is that east?

[Ed Larson]

Depends on which direction you face. Now, the planet of Alderaan might sound familiar. That's because Alderaan was Princess Leia's home planet in Star Wars. See, you think this would be a bit of a gotcha moment against Preston Nichols, but it is, in fact, quite the. The opposite.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's where I got you.

[Ed Larson]

According to Preston, everything in Star wars is actually accurate to the truth of the universe. And quite a few pieces of Media like Star wars are in fact actual histories. While the history that we know as Earth history is not history at all, but fiction.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Listen, my cousin's a wookie. He's crazy. And I said hey, you should get some electrolysis or something, old girls going on and be with you. But you know, when it comes down to it, he's a. He's totally confident with himself. And yeah, it's a lot Jedis.

[Marcus Parks]

He's a wookie turned wie.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what that is? We're anti wookie here. It's an anti wookie podcast.

[Ed Larson]

In fact, we see a guy that started the wookie chapter in Montauk. The Wookie. Wookie. Wookies.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Oh yeah, that guy. Love that guy. Same thing. And they got the order. Then it's all real. Quit asking me questions, right? I'm trying to finish this five hot dog line I have going on.

[Ed Larson]

Now, as far as our history being a fiction goes, Preston claims that the Pleiadians, the same aliens who helped him, they were actually involved with Hitler and the Third Reich. But only because the Pleiadians were involved in a millennia long war against the Draconian race, AKA the Reptilians, who had colonized the earth in the form of the Jewish people.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh my God. I can't to go. I got to go out there.

[Ed Larson]

This however, according to Preston Nichols, Ed is not a racist state.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I've been trying to say this. There's nothing racist about it. It's just truth. It's just true Jewish people or are shape shifting reptilian aliens. But I love their culture and I love their holidays.

[Marcus Parks]

Advanced, we are advanced.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're better than you. Listen, they got great food to got great comedians. You know, it comes down to it. Yeah, of course I find Reptilians funny. A lot of people do.

[Ed Larson]

I'm not gonna live on Long island if I don't get away with it. Wrong with the dudes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

How am I gonna be able to. Honestly, cuz, you throw a yarmul, you're gonna hit a reptilian every five feet out of you.

[Marcus Parks]

Why do you think I was so big when I was born? The egg was in the nest too long.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hatch, your mom's should have been bigger.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh God, if only she was, she'd probably still be around.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Jesus Christ. You made it real.

[Ed Larson]

Is there a relation between vagina size and diabe diabetes?

[Marcus Parks]

I know that I was so big that she became a diabetic.

[Ed Larson]

Okay, so, yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Side stories, Gmail dot com.

[Ed Larson]

Well, as I said, Preston Nichols claims it's not a racist statement to say that Jews are Reptilians. To him, it's just a fact. Deal with it. Yeah, it's like how all Asians are hybrids of grays and insectoids. Yeah, that's why they have the worker bee mentality.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not racism if it's a fact.

[Ed Larson]

These are just facts. Justin says it's nothing to get offended over.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Why are you getting offended? It's you acting like you're some kind of. Like you. Some kind of Whatever.

[Ed Larson]

Wokey. Yeah. These are jokes. No, these aren't jokes. These are facts. These are the opposite of jokes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But then sometimes what you find out is what you joke about is actually quite serious.

[Ed Larson]

Not. Supposedly, the Nazis agreed to a technology exchange with a Pleiad. And the Nazis offered up people in concentration camps as alien experiment subjects. Most likely the communists and the gay people. Because, you know, I would imagine the Pleiadians already had plenty of Reptilians. But supposedly, through this treaty, the Nazis learned about mind control, nuclear tech, and time travel. According to Preston Nichols, though, Hitler apparently went quote off mission and took things a little too far. So be assured that the Pleiadians staunchly anti Holocaust.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's nothing racist about this. It's just facts. It's just what history was, okay? They were like, whoa, Hitler. Whoa, hey, now.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, this would be illegal on our planet.

[Ed Larson]

But luckily for the good old US Of A, America was able to get their hands on all the alien technology the Pleiadians handed over to the Nazi Nazis through Operation Paperclip.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cool.

[Ed Larson]

When we rehabilitated all those Nazis, naturally, much of that technology was then applied to the Montauk Project.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, man. Do you think Clippy was a Nazi?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know Clippy was. At least he hung out with Nazis and said nothing. He just corrected their grammar. And there's nothing worse than a grammar Nazi.

[Ed Larson]

Looks like you're trying to institute Lebensraum. Do you need help?

[Henry Zabrowski]

As a matter of fact, I do.

[Ed Larson]

But now that we've had a bit of history, let's get back to the incredible life of Preston Nichols. Now, Preston's biography was not just limited to science. Oh, no. Preston is far too cool for a life of solely intellectual pursuits.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, too cool. Chicks keep pulling me out of the academic game.

[Ed Larson]

Rather, if you believe what Preston Nichols claimed, he changed the face of pop and rock music many times over, acting as a key yet unsung figure in the music Business. Allegedly, it all started for Preston at a very young age, sometime in the late 1950s. See, Preston claimed that his Cub Scout leader, a dude by the name of Cal man, recognized Preston's innate abilities in the field of electronics and took Preston to New York City when Preston was just 12 years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I gotta tell you, Preston, I saw you, you were playing with that radio and I just knew that must be his second language.

[Marcus Parks]

Thank you, Mr. Man.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you're right. Hey there, little boy. I can't even know what you're really good at. Tying them knots. You want to go see a Broadway play with your favorite scum God leader, all you gotta do is sit on my lap here. It's called time travel train.

[Marcus Parks]

We're gonna turn whittling into diddling.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Have you ever heard a little thing called the Twist? I'm gonna do it on you.

[Marcus Parks]

We'll get you insertion patch.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah, that's your big gaper patch. He dialed. His little bubble dilated 4cm.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm a man scout.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Man scout.

[Ed Larson]

Well, Preston had an interest in music and he had supposedly built a special recording device at the age of 12 that was able to tap into the esoteric principles of any song, thereby amplifying how well it could connect to an audience. Cal man was a musician Preston wrote who was better known by his stage name, Chubby Checker. And the song Preston supposedly used his new equipment to record was the Twist.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Y.

[Ed Larson]

Absolutely.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's the only one who can hear me.

[Ed Larson]

Do it.

[Marcus Parks]

Hold on. This guy. Chubby Checker.

[Ed Larson]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Preston claimed that Chubby Checker was his Cub Scout leader. And that Chubby Checker was so impressed with skills that he, Chubby Checker took him to New York City so they could record the Twist together. Okay, now you just sit there and watch me dance. None of this is true. Oh yeah, none of it's true. What? Cal man was a songwriter, but he wrote let's Twist Again. Which was the sequel to the Twist.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Whoa.

[Ed Larson]

Hank Ballard wrote the Twist. And that's not even to mention the fact that Chubby Checkers real name was Ernest Evans. And he was certainly wasn't a Cub scout leader taking 12 year old boys on trips to the city.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, sorry, I'm not Chubby Checker. My real name is big fat Mr. Domino. Unfortunately, I have not been training you for time travel. I have been molesting you.

[Marcus Parks]

Actually, Count Domino is the name.

[Ed Larson]

No, no, Calman's real name actually was California Cohen. He was a very nerdy white man. Yeah, and yeah, he changed it when he got into the songwriting business.

[Marcus Parks]

It's interesting. I'm thinking about. Is Chubby Checker, Fat Domino and Chess Records? Yeah, yeah, it's all, it's all in there. I just, Just, you know.

[Ed Larson]

Was Chess Records have to do with him being chubby or fat?

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's just distracting us from what we have to do here, Marcus.

[Marcus Parks]

It's. It's another connection. You're asking me to find far fetched connections.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This whole episode. Episode.

[Marcus Parks]

I found one of my own.

[Ed Larson]

But the thing is about all the information about Calman and Chubby Checker and Hank Ballard, all that's not easily attainable in 1992 when Preston's book was released. Preston, actually he even spelled cow man's name wrong. He spelled Cal with a C instead of a K. So I think that Preston just figured that it was safe to make both this claim and the avalanche of name dropping that's about to come also.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just because I was such a big part of American history that they had to cut out. It was so hard for them to do it, to cover it up. So it was just like, you know, you just can't know my whole history because I'm the most secret man to ever live.

[Ed Larson]

Preston claimed that he also worked with the surf rock hit makers the Ventures on many of their albums as an engineer. And through the Ventures, Preston met singer Frankie Valley, who recruited Preston as the drummer on Big Girls Don't Cry.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Is that real?

[Ed Larson]

No, of course.

[Marcus Parks]

Girls do cry.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like the only person I could see relatively like that makes sense in this story is Frankie Valley. He's like the only guy one of.

[Ed Larson]

The four seasons is in this. You're like, oh, yeah, that makes sense.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just having Frankie Valley there I can sit being like, now that's a good tune. You know, I mean, like that's a. Because he had a great voice almost, I'd say unworldly voice.

[Marcus Parks]

Voice.

[Ed Larson]

Ooh.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You see an alien. If you look at Frankie Valley now, he definitely looks like a Teddy Ruxpin style robot.

[Ed Larson]

Can't believe Frankie Valley's still alive.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Have you seen him do his animatronic performances? No, it's just so good. It's just Sherry Sherry, baby. You can't see it. He's d. He's dead on the inside. Yeah, he's a dead man.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm very proud of him.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, he's making money.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, my mom dated one of the four Seasons for a second.

[Ed Larson]

Really?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I probably autumn, but the But I know she said it only lasted one day because he tried to go out with her sister.

[Henry Zabrowski]

She should have took that. She should have took that. She should have been your whole life could have been better.

[Marcus Parks]

Certainly wouldn't have been worse than my father.

[Ed Larson]

The thing about these claims Preston told his readers, don't even bother trying to verify all this. This because after Preston saw the kind of hell that Chubby Checker and Frankie Valley went through with being famous, he decided to have his name withheld on all of his work in the music industry, which is incredibly extensive, supposedly. For example, Preston claimed that he helped Phil Spector develop the wall of sound recording technique.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But you didn't put how he said he knew Phil where he was like, I walked with this guy named Mom. His name was Phil. Still big hair, big hair, crazy guy.

[Ed Larson]

I can't go into all of his, like. I can't go into all of his, like, stories because he goes on and on and on and on. I'm definitely bringing all these down like that. He was responsible for the Beatles jump. And artistic ability with Sergeant Pepper is like, yeah, they came over to America and I said, why don't you try recording on the big speaker?

[Marcus Parks]

Did you see the wall of sound that he built in his barn?

[Ed Larson]

No, I didn't.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah. Like, there was one of the. The One of the docs that Rob sent me. Dark. Something like that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, dark files.

[Marcus Parks]

Dark files. Yeah. They go and they interview him behind his, like, broken. Broken knobs. And.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, dude, he lives on top of bass speaker. He lived on top of bass speakers because they said it cleared him that the bass noises below 30 MHz cleared him of his psoriasis. That is real.

[Ed Larson]

He also said that he was the one who told Jimi Hendrix, like, hey, you ever thought about playing electric guitar?

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is the movie I watch. To see this would have been so much better in a complete unknown forest if he was in this. Yeah.

[Ed Larson]

He was also the guy who told the Beach Boys, like, hey, you guys ever thought about singing together?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, no, don't do it.

[Marcus Parks]

Don't do it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

One at a time.

[Ed Larson]

Do it all. Like, oh, 1, 2, 3. I'm thinking about good vibration.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Come on. Oh, my God, you fat piece of. You're a genius. Who are you? You never saw me.

[Marcus Parks]

The guy who told Phil Spector to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Get a gun collection.

[Ed Larson]

Preston also claimed that he was not only the one who recorded Light My Fire by the Doors, but that he was personal friends with Jim Morrison. And it was actually Preston Nichols who taught Jim Morrison how To perform live. Before that, Jim Morrison just stared at the wall.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Honestly, I was the one who said, jim, pull your dick out. They're gonna of it. It's going to cause a moment, all right? You got. You got the snooze for it. I want you to go out there and you flap it around.

[Ed Larson]

I was the one who said, hey, Jim, Jim, you ever thought about singing about your mother?

[Henry Zabrowski]

You think about trying to think about your mother. Just think about it. Hey, two words. Lizard king. Just made that up. Just thought of that. That's you done, right? Lizard king. That's you.

[Ed Larson]

But interestingly, Morrison's story is actually related to another character from pop culture culture who also plays a role in Preston's history. Apparently, one of the most powerful psychic and esoteric minds on earth belongs to the actor Mark Hamill. But Mark actually started in the music business. According to Preston, Preston claimed to have met Mark Hamill through Chubby Checker and Frankie Valley. Because Mark Hamill was writing songs for other people without taking credit with his brother Chuck. As far back as 1960, 67.

[Marcus Parks]

That would make him.

[Ed Larson]

No, I mean he was 16 years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Just something in 1967 writing songs for Chubby Checker. Like, it's the weirdest.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. 16 year old Mark Hamill.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's also star. Because also it's funny because then Preston Nichols also says Star wars is real.

[Ed Larson]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. So he's hanging out with Luke Skywalker.

[Ed Larson]

Well, no, he's still like just the act. Mark Hamill is just the actor. We're gonna get into the Star wars thing here in a second. Let's not get too far ahead of ourselves selves. At the age of 16, Hamill supposedly wrote and recorded Beg, Borrow and Steal and released it under the name of the Ohio Express.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, damn.

[Ed Larson]

No word. However, as if as to if Hamill also wrote the Ohio Express's other hit. Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, I've got love in my tummy and I feel like loving you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Actually, I think that was the guy that played Obi Wan. He did it.

[Marcus Parks]

Or as one of the Montauk boys who. Who was forced to have a yummy tummy.

[Ed Larson]

Ooh, there he is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Here he does. Let me get some.

[Ed Larson]

But the connection to the Doors here is that Preston claims that Mark Hamill actually wrote most of Jim Morrison's poetry.

[Marcus Parks]

That's why.

[Ed Larson]

Although that's really not as big of a credit as I think Preston Nichols thought it was.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like literally, don't do this to Mark.

[Ed Larson]

Preston claimed that everything he knew about audio Engineering fit into his understanding of mind control. Control, which is what made him, in his estimation, one of the great recording engineers of the 60s, despite his name never coming up once anywhere for anything. See, Preston claimed that sound waves held electromagnetic power, and his later work on the Montauk Project dealt with similar energies. As the Montauk Project was all about harnessing frequencies to control minds and shape realities. It was the music business, Preston said, where all these possibilities were opened up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's an interesting, interesting idea.

[Ed Larson]

In fact, Preston was certain that the psychic implanting of messages into pop and rock tunes is how the Montauk Project was eventually able to lure in so many Montauk boys to be experimented upon. Have you ever thought about Billy Joel possibly being a Montauk Project candidate?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, my God. Was Billy Joel. Piano Man, Scenes from an Italian restaurant. There's no way that that was made by all this Nazi technology.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, but something.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You mean to tell me that the stranger was inspired by the Nazis?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, it took. Only the mean Montauk boys lived, and that's why only the good die young.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow. Billy Joel hasn't talked about it once, and that's how you know he's a part of it, because he doesn't remember.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's true, isn't it?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm gonna find his chubby little hands, and I want to find out. I want to go to. I want to go to Montauk and find him on his. Because he's. I think he's only legally allowed to drive a golf cart now.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And so I feel like. I think it'd be easy to find him.

[Ed Larson]

What do you think happens to those two people that get brought from the back row to the front at every Madison Square Garden Billy Joe concert? Do you think those people just go home? Do you think Billy Joel's doing that out the kindness of his heart?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No candidates for the time Travel program? No. MSG's A. It's a slave market.

[Marcus Parks]

Right. They gotta provide a bottle of red and a bottle of white, and of course, says blood and come.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow. Or plasma.

[Ed Larson]

But in addition to being an unsung hero in the recording industry, Preston also claims movie credits by saying that he was the one who convinced George Lucas to cast his friend Mark Hamill in the role of Luke Skywalker.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No.

[Ed Larson]

As such, Preston said that he was present during the filming of Star wars every single scene, and that two psychics were present during all takes. In Preston's view, Star wars was so popular because Lucas had instructed the psychics to implant psychic messages onto the film itself to make people like it more. Additionally, Preston claimed that he was the one who gave George Lucas the idea for the Force. And later, Preston claimed that he used his extensive knowledge of sound to not only develop thx, but also mix sound for the Empire Strikes Back.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Wow.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Wow.

[Ed Larson]

At this point, like, like when I'm reading it, like I'm just like. It's like I can just tell the fucking weirdo that I'm stuck on the train with.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What's crazy is that you would even be describing, you know, the psychics were cooking lunch. We're in Tangier.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know, we got the Jedi's over there. And the whole time I'm just thinking like, you know, Mark could be skinnier. And then me and George, we had a little sidebar.

[Ed Larson]

You George?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, me and George. Way back. Yeah, George Lucas, George. And we were hanging out and then, I mean, Obi was working on that new sequel to the Twist. And the whole time I'm like, this is gonna be big. This movie's gonna be. This gonna be big.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. Bing bong. Okay, I get it. This is my stop.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, what I did with Prague.

[Ed Larson]

Stand clear of the closing doors please.

[Marcus Parks]

All right, see you later.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I know it. I know, Rick.

[Ed Larson]

OK. Now by the early 70s, Preston had either stepped back from the music industry for a little bit or he was splitting his time. Because starting around 1971, Preston began working for a military defense contractor on where else but Long Island? Preston said that he was hired to be on a team of scientists who were tasked with examining some so called called foreign material, foreign technology which turned out to be a captured ufo. The craft was a typical disc shaped flying saucer with no seams, no obvious buttons and no controls. From what Preston was able to figure out from disassembling and reverse engineering the craft, however, it was operated not by conventional means, but by mind control using psychic chairs powered by crystals.

[Marcus Parks]

This guy's so lazy. It's just everything's like a powerful chair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You wait till the next episode. It is all about powerful chairs.

[Ed Larson]

You're trying to tell me that. You're trying to tell me the fat man from Long island is not going to be passionate about chairs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

When I'm in my lazy Boy, I'm anything but. I'm a busy man because in this throne I can control so many, many things. With my Long Island Mike, I could.

[Marcus Parks]

Get out of my psychic chair, but.

[Ed Larson]

I don't need to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't need to. You dirty. I could do it all right here because I'm sitting in this chair, completely filled, completely to the brim with raviolis. I'm not walking around because I got a bit of a cramp. This is Preston Nichols, by the way. I love this picture of him. We need to put this on social media.

[Ed Larson]

No, Preston's. What? That's what that picture says again. Audio medium.

[Henry Zabrowski]

If you can see the picture, him going. My blood pressure is what.

[Ed Larson]

Preston's timeline can be difficult to suss out at times because he can be extremely vague and he jumps around a lot. But it seems like the defense contractor on Long island that had hired him to reverse engineer this ufo. Ufo. This defense contractor was the Montag Project. Because soon after he cracked the psychic chairs, he became a full part of the operation.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We had to rebuild some of them because we just did. We needed to make a more weight bearing.

[Ed Larson]

Using the technology he gleaned from the mind controlled ufo. Preston claimed that he was involved with the creation of a device that could send out thoughts from a giant trap transmitter. This device came to be known as the Montauk Chair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not funny, Eddie. There's nothing funny about it.

[Ed Larson]

Nothing funny about the Montauk chair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's not a single funny thing about this chair.

[Ed Larson]

For the fact, I mean, I know that the Montauk chair also sounds like when you sit on the toilet too long because you have too much mozzarella.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, better go take a break on the Montauk Chair.

[Ed Larson]

Being constipated because too much cheese. Now, a lot of the experiments in the Montauk project would revolve around the Montauk chair. But in the beginning, Montauk boys would be sat in the chair while various radio waves, UHF waves, and microwaves of varying widths, pulse rates and frequencies would bombard the Montauk boys bodies just to see what effect it would have on their psyches. Now, it was said that these waves could make a person sleep, cry, laugh, or be agitated. But it wasn't just the person in the chair who was affected. Supposedly, everyone on the base would get into a mood when the chair was turned on.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah.

[Ed Larson]

So the brass began taking note of how powerful this thing could be. See, the chair was attached to that radar I mentioned earlier, the Sage Array, which, if you'll remember, was one of the big selling points for the military to turn the Phoenix Project into the Montauk Project. The Sage Array operated at just the right radio frequency to access the human mind. And once the Montauk Project figured out how to use the chair to break into the mind, it Was only a matter of time before they figured out how to use the chair to project the minds of the people using the chair outward using tubes.

[Marcus Parks]

Tubes in the chair.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Chair. Outside of the chair.

[Marcus Parks]

Chair. Okay.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And tunnels, but time tunnels. We'll get into it later.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That lead.

[Marcus Parks]

And they're tubes. They're not pipes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No tubes difference. Very much so.

[Ed Larson]

No, no. What. What is the difference between a tube and a pipe in your estimation?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Let's just say one works and one doesn't.

[Marcus Parks]

I think pipes aren't as flexible. Tubes you can wiggle.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. Wiggle tubes are quite wiggly. Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Don't want to base it. I don't want it. To base it in that way, but yes.

[Ed Larson]

Rob, former plumber.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Tubes come in long rolls. Pipes come in lengths. Thank you, Long island former resident Rob, bringing your proper representation.

[Ed Larson]

Well, the Montauk chair was also discovered to be quite useful for recording pop songs with subliminal messages.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Got to.

[Ed Larson]

And Preston Nichols was naturally the engineer for these sessions that supposedly occurred on this military base on Montalvan Point.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I couldn't help but notice when we were torturing that one Montauk boy, he had a beautiful voice. And I got just the song for him.

[Ed Larson]

That song. 1974's Everlasting Love by Carl Carlton.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Open up your eyes Then you realize Here I stay with my everlasting love. Yeah, man.

[Marcus Parks]

Great song. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Great song.

[Ed Larson]

Great song.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Great for boys.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm glad they built this chair with the tube.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, yeah. We wouldn't have that cover of Everlasting Love without it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Nope.

[Ed Larson]

It was an early and wildly successful Montauk chair experiment. Although the subliminal messages that were in everlasting Love. Preston Nichols declined to impart that information. But once the potential for the Montauk chair was discovered, the Montauk project was able to move from controlling the minds of others to using the psychic powers of human beings to control and manipulate not just time, but reality itself. Yes. And that is where we'll pick back up next week for our conclusion with time travel, with pyramids on Mars, and, of course, the Montauk beast.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. And never mind. Boys in space.

[Ed Larson]

Lots of boys in space.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Lots of boys.

[Ed Larson]

Many boys in space. Many boys in space. Tunnels.

[Marcus Parks]

Now, the. The Montauk beast. Is that the Montauk monster?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Okay. No, definitely.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, no, no.

[Marcus Parks]

That's.

[Ed Larson]

That is it. Yeah. I forgot about the Montauk monster. Montauk. You're talking about the thing that washed up on the shore, right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Isn't the Montauk Monster Supposed to be of the same origin of the Montauk beast. He might be from Plum Island. Who knows?

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, that's right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He might be. I forgot. Oh, man, Plum Island. We got to do next.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah, there's a lot. There's a lot of different things.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Taking Lyme disease down to peg. Oh, God. Or patreon.com Last podcast on the Left to see all the wonderful visual cues. I did.

[Ed Larson]

Yeah. And you could also, if you are a Patreon member, you can tune in live to Last Stream on the Left every Tuesday at 6pm PST 9pm EST. You can also follow us on Instagram and Tick Tock at LP on the left. And don't forget to check out all of our other wonderful streams at the Last Podcast network at Twitch TVLPNTV. And to check out all of the other incredible podcasts we have here on the Last Podcast Network. If you want to stay in the podcasting realm, just go to lastpodcastnetwork.com or type in Last Podcast Network to whatever podcast client you enjoy using.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, our live show is going to be great. We're going to see you in Detroit. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Either next week or two weeks from now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Soon.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes. April 18th.

[Ed Larson]

Yes. And don't wait on your tickets for that. We're very, very close to selling out in Detroit and we sold out in Toronto. Thank you so, so much, Toronto, for always coming out for us.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, and Atlanta ain't far behind either. And that's going to be in June at the Coca Cola Roxy. So make sure you get your tickets to all those fucking shows. It's going to be a lot of fun. Also, invasive species coming back to Florida. That's right. The first week of May. Well, you know, technically, I guess May 6th through 11th. Go check it out. All tickets are on Eddie Tunes.com including three side story shows in Fort Lauderdale and Orlando during that time. So come see me. The last run was great. Had a lot of fun. A lot of people came out. And I stick around and I say hi to everyone.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, we're gonna have a blast. We do that with all the side story shows. We end up saying hi. We had to do. We. I can't wait to do the shows with you, Eddie.

[Marcus Parks]

That's right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But until then, be a bully in space.

[Marcus Parks]

That's what all I want.

[Ed Larson]

Whatever that means to you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Amen. I know what that means to me. Huge bowl and sit in the tub.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, man. Rock and roll, dude.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You do that, man. I mean, I'm doing tub life now.

[Ed Larson]

I used to I used.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm in there now.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I don't tub, but I definitely. Toilet bowl. Yeah, Yeah, I. I have. I gotta start smoking blunts on the toilet again. It's been a while.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I miss it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. The thing is, once you start wiping, though, you got to finish the blunt. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Everyone's upset. Well, it's hard to. Hard to share. Hell, Satan.

[Ed Larson]

Oh, sorry. I'm just. I just got distracted by the whole like, blunt and the wiping thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, sure.

[Marcus Parks]

Of course.

[Ed Larson]

Helge.

[Marcus Parks]

Hail Mark Hamill.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah. He doesn't deserve any of them.

[Ed Larson]

Neither does Dr. John von Neumann.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I also feel like more people need to honestly hit up Mark Hamill about this.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Like, he needs to know how deeply involved in this. Come on the show. Oh, love to. He needs to know that there's a whole world of like, he's just. He's gonna be so excited to know Star wars is real.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

If you want to come on the show and personally thank Preston, I think the family would appreciate.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They'd really appreciate it.

[Ed Larson]

He didn't have any family.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Because you can't have a family when there's truth involved.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, the guy who has a giant pot on his head that lives on his property, I'm sure. Be thankful.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Bye.

[E]

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