Episode 617: The Black Knight Satellite

Summary

Last Podcast on the Left Episode 617: The Black Knight Satellite Release Date: April 25, 2025 Hosts: The Last Podcast Network

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Overview

In Episode 617, titled "The Black Knight Satellite," The Last Podcast on the Left delves into one of the most enduring and enigmatic UFO conspiracy theories—the Black Knight Satellite. The hosts explore the origins, sightings, and various theories surrounding this mysterious object purportedly orbiting Earth for over 13,000 years. Combining historical accounts, scientific skepticism, and cultural impacts, the episode provides a comprehensive examination of why the Black Knight Satellite continues to captivate the imaginations of UFO enthusiasts and conspiracy theorists alike.

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1. Introduction to the Black Knight Satellite

[04:20] Henry Zabrowski:
"Today I wanted to cover something short and sweet from my very first lead episode... today's episode, we are covering the Black Knight Satellite, which is, you know, it's huge."

The episode begins with Henry Zabrowski introducing the Black Knight Satellite as the focal point, emphasizing its significant presence in UFO lore.

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2. Historical Sightings and Descriptions

a. Early Observations (1953)

[10:09] Marcus Parks:
"And in 1998, like, America was very much like into X Files..."

[10:17] Henry Zabrowski:
"The first thing was seen in 1953. Dr. Lincoln La Paz of the University of New Mexico discovered an unknown satellite orbiting Earth."

Dr. Lincoln La Paz's 1953 discovery marks the initial reported sighting of an unidentified satellite. His findings were reported to the U.S. Department of Defense, which then contacted Dr. Clyde Tombach.

b. Dr. Clyde Tombach’s Involvement

[12:11] Henry Zabrowski:
"Dr. Clyde Tombach radiated knowledge in space. He discovered Pluto and knew Pluto was going to make it real far in the solar system."

Dr. Clyde Tombach, a prominent figure in the space industry, confirmed the existence of the unknown satellite. However, his findings were never released to the public, sparking early speculation of a government cover-up.

c. The 1998 NASA Photograph

[08:19] Henry Zabrowski:
"The Black Knight Satellite is actually... seen at first by the modern audience in 1998. Now this is viewed as a piece of space junk."

A photograph labeled STS08872466 from NASA's archives surfaced in 1998, depicting what many believed to be the Black Knight Satellite. The image showed a mysterious speck above Earth, igniting widespread fascination and conspiracy theories.

Notable Quote:
[09:12] Joel McKean:
"What kind of blanket?"
[09:03] Henry Zabrowski:
"It's Black. Now this story is space blanket."
— Discussing the alternative theory that the Black Knight is actually a space blanket.

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3. Theories and Explanations

a. Alien Probe Theory

[08:13] Henry Zabrowski:
"13,000 years ago, an advanced alien civilization left a probe in Earth's orbit to keep an eye on the social hairless apes."

The primary theory suggests that the Black Knight Satellite is an alien probe sent millennia ago to monitor humanity’s development. This aligns with ancient astronaut theories positing extraterrestrial influence on early human civilizations.

b. Space Debris Explanation

[46:17] Henry Zabrowski:
"There are a number of skeptics who claim that the Black Knight satellite photo is actually just a photo of a lost thermal blanket."

Skeptics argue that the elusive Black Knight is merely space debris—specifically, a thermal blanket lost during NASA missions. NASA officials have attributed the 1998 photograph to such debris, debunking the alien probe hypothesis.

Notable Quote:
[46:38] Henry Zabrowski:
"Hubble can't see this thing... because it's not looking at us."
— Addressing why the Hubble Telescope hasn’t captured the Black Knight Satellite.

c. Long Delayed (LD) Radio Echoes and SETI

[26:58] Henry Zabrowski:
"These are called long delayed radio echoes. We sent out a radio signal and like about a minute or even up to 40 seconds before it bounces back in a weird way."

The episode explores the phenomenon of Long Delayed (LD) radio echoes—signals that return long after being sent. Some theorists link these echoes to the Black Knight Satellite, suggesting they are communications from the alien probe.

d. Duncan Lunan’s Star Map

[57:16] Marcus Parks:
"Scottish amateur astronomer Duncan Lunan collected all the known strange radio signals and long delayed echoes."

Duncan Lunan proposed that LD echoes mapped to the star Epsilon Boötis, suggesting the signals were messages from the Black Knight Satellite's home star system, located 103 million light-years away. This theory posits that the satellite serves as a beacon awaiting human advancement.

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4. Skeptical Perspectives and Debunking

a. Government Cover-Ups

[53:05] Henry Zabrowski:
"NASA engineer James Oberg and cosmonaut Sergey Krikalev also claimed the Black Knight satellite photo is just a photo of a lost thermal blanket."

Government agencies have consistently downplayed the Black Knight Satellite theory, attributing sightings to space debris or classified missions. The deletion of related NASA photos has fueled further speculation of intentional concealment.

b. Astronaut Testimonials

[47:10] Henry Zabrowski:
"Astronaut Gordon Cooper made several launches and saw unknown objects, which were later identified as space debris."

Astronaut sightings of unidentified objects have been explained as misidentified space debris or experimental satellites, undermining claims of extraterrestrial technology.

Notable Quote:
[56:22] Joel McKean:
"I think that's great. I mean, I love knowing about it, but... it does seem like a blanket now that we're really talking about it."
— Reflecting skepticism over the blanket theory.

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5. Cultural Impact and Contributions

a. Influence of Philip K. Dick

[67:03] Henry Zabrowski:
"Philip K. Dick received a series of mystical and prophetic visions... he called VALIS, the Vast Active Living Intelligence System."

The episode connects the Black Knight Satellite to cultural figures like Philip K. Dick, whose experiences and writings have intertwined with UFO and alien conspiracy narratives, further embedding the Black Knight in popular culture.

b. Ancient Astronaut Theories

[36:08] Marcus Parks:
"Oh yeah. This is ancient aliens territory. Without a doubt."

Ancient astronaut theories suggest that extraterrestrial beings visited Earth in antiquity, influencing human development. The Black Knight Satellite is often cited as evidence of these early interactions.

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6. Conclusion: The Mystery Continues

[82:17] Joel McKean:
"I think that's great. I mean, I love knowing about it, but... it does seem like a blanket now that we're really talking about it."

Despite various explanations and debunking efforts, the Black Knight Satellite remains a captivating mystery. The hosts acknowledge the blend of scientific inquiry and human fascination with the unknown, emphasizing that as long as space holds its secrets, the allure of the Black Knight Satellite will persist.

Final Thought:
[82:25] Henry Zabrowski:
"It's probably a blanket. It's got a blanket aspect to it."

The episode wraps up by reiterating the most supported explanation—that the Black Knight Satellite is likely space debris—while leaving room for listener interpretation and the enduring intrigue surrounding space mysteries.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• [57:16] Marcus Parks:
  "Scottish amateur astronomer Duncan Lunan collected all of the known strange radio signal events and long delayed radio echo instances from history."

• [12:11] Henry Zabrowski:
  "Dr. Clyde Tombach... discovered Pluto."

• [46:19] Henry Zabrowski:
  "But how does something bounce off of Jupiter? I thought Jupiter was just gas."

• [08:13] Henry Zabrowski:
  "13,000 years ago, an advanced alien civilization left a probe in Earth's orbit to keep an eye on the social hairless apes."

• [46:17] Henry Zabrowski:
  "Most people believe the testimony from the astronauts saying that it's part of a cover up maybe."

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Key Takeaways

• The Black Knight Satellite is a central figure in UFO conspiracy theories, with alleged origins dating back over 13,000 years.
• Historical sightings, particularly the 1998 NASA photograph, have fueled speculation about its extraterrestrial origins.
• Skeptical explanations attribute the satellite to space debris, specifically a thermal blanket lost during space missions.
• Theories intertwine with broader concepts like ancient astronauts and paranormal phenomena, influenced by cultural figures like Philip K. Dick.
• Despite extensive debate and investigation, the Black Knight Satellite remains an unresolved mystery, symbolizing the enduring human fascination with the unknown aspects of space.

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This episode provides listeners with a thorough exploration of the Black Knight Satellite, balancing conspiracy theories with scientific skepticism, and highlighting the cultural narratives that sustain such mysteries.

Transcript

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

There's no place to escape to. This is the last on the left. That's when the cannibalism started. What was that? In prepping for today's episode, I was rethinking about the Montauk project and how funny it was the idea that Duncan Cameron had a focus to keep the time tunnel open. Right. So anything if he sneezed. Yeah, if he farted in the middle of the thing.

[Marcus Parks]

So testicles itching.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Another Montauk boy gone. Yeah, another Montauk boy. And I was just thinking about the idea of like. But it's also like in New York. So how do you avoid the dent dun dun dun dun dun from all of our neighbors?

[Marcus Parks]

What are you talking about?

[Henry Zabrowski]

You never dealt with that.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, with the reggae tone dead end.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is really bad.

[Joel McKean]

Turn reggaeton into Polish music.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, you turn.

[Marcus Parks]

No, reggaeton is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, no, no, no. Mine is the.

[Joel McKean]

Cuz you lived off a fresh pond.

[Marcus Parks]

You turn it into shitty polka.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's my family. That's my family lineage. And you can't come at to me. Today I'm in charge.

[Marcus Parks]

That he is. Welcome to last podcast on the left. Ladies and gentlemen, my name is Marcus Parks and today I'm handing the reins over once again. I've handed him over to Ed Larson in the past and he's knocked it out of the fucking park. But today I'm handing the reins over to Mr. Henry Zabrowski.

[Henry Zabrowski]

My goal is infield home run. My goal is one of those bunts that confuses everyone.

[Joel McKean]

Missing the first baseman. They miss the second baseman. He just keeps going.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the idea. And that the man somehow, how. Has been allowed by other teammates to score.

[Joel McKean]

Well, I got a feeling you're going to be called out at home.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I always am.

[Marcus Parks]

Of course, we have the skeptical Ed Larson here.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, how you doing?

[Joel McKean]

I am ready to learn whatever Henry throws at me. But I am a little upset that you feel like you couldn't hold your concentration during a fart.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I will.

[Joel McKean]

Farts don't phase me.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, no. I'm talking about Duncan Cameron. I'm talking about turtlenecked Long island psychic.

[Joel McKean]

Man doesn't even know he farts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Yeah. Another secret admission. All it is, is just his fuel. That's his psychic fuel coming out the back end. So today I wanted to cover something short and sweet from my very first lead episode. No, man, I'm short and sour. He's sour tasted.

[Marcus Parks]

You know, it's like a pickle you left on the floor. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All covered in shit and cum and weed. But that's just. Again, that's my judgment on me. And I'm better than this.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But today I wanted to do something, a micro topic that we could cover very easily because I don't want to go too far into the lore. I don't want to ruin people's weeks.

[Marcus Parks]

Right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We just did that the last two weeks in a row with the Montauk project. And I decided to add a little bit more confusion to everybody's life.

[Joel McKean]

That's great.

[Henry Zabrowski]

By covering a subject that I was just personally interested in and wanted to know the backdrop of. And it's amazing how much you can learn and also not learn in a short period of time. Okay, now, today's episode, we are covering the Black Knight Satellite, which is, you know, it's huge.

[Joel McKean]

The Martin Lawrence vehicle.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Yes, it is. The Black Knight Satellite is actually. It's Black Knight 2. It's featuring Dave Matthews from the Dave Matthews Band playing his. Playing a woman.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah. The song Satellite, Go.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Dude, Satellite's a great song to get fingerbang to if you haven't done it yet. Right. Like Night Swimming, Satellite, Night Swimming. Both great songs to get finger bang to by some guy you'll never know again.

[Joel McKean]

See, I thought you were saying, go night swimming, get finger bang to Satellite. I don't know what night swimming is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, I don't either. Swimming night. Girls are quiet.

[Joel McKean]

Now that's a finger bang song. That's a finger massage song. No, like a slow insert.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You've never done a slow dip. That's what I call it a slow dip.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, okay. Yeah, I was gonna say. Because when you say finger bang.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

You know, that's like I'm digging tunnels.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No matter what I'm doing, I'm doing it romantic.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And that's the difference between us, isn't it?

[Joel McKean]

Well, the word bang is. No, there's no romance in bang.

[Marcus Parks]

Sometimes for me, if it's finger banging, you're. You're definitely listening to new metal. You're listening to just.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're disturbed, you're PA coach side stories, lpotlmail.com. what is your soundtrack when you're finger banging? But today's topic is very interesting. There's a lot of ins and outs, mostly ends. But tonight we're going to decide and we're going to. Because it's up to the audience.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not up to us what's real and what's not real. Right. Because I refuse to do that for you. I won't do that for you. Because guess what, you're fucking adult. Even if you're a child. Because if you're listening to this, you should be an adult. But if you're a child listening to this, now you're an adult, go out there, buy a pack of cigarettes, get into the workforce honestly, looking for the 10 year old to start working.

[Joel McKean]

I mean, Enzo is definitely listening. He's an 11 year old that came to my show in Panama City. He's definitely listens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He drove himself. He drove himself. He lives by himself. Enzo, a dude. Honestly, come work for us. Today's all about objects in the sky. You know, I like my shapes. Some shapes are more distinct than others. You have the jellyfish, which I love. Saucer shapes. Everybody likes to think about cookies and milk. Saucers wobbling on the ground. Named by Kenneth arnold in the 1940s because of the way they moved on top of the water. He said it was like a saucer on the water. Okay, right.

[Marcus Parks]

Kenneth Arnold kind of kicked off the whole flying saucer phenomenon right before Roswell. He was a pilot that saw a bunch of shit in the sky. A lot of flying saucers in the sky. And that back when things are still sort of taken seriously. Oh, yeah. Oh, we don't know what the hell this is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And they wiggle like this. Sometimes they're s shaped, sometimes they're pogo shaped, sometimes they're shaped like orbs and sometimes they're shaped like your mama's pennies. But this is. Yes, exactly, very large coverage. But the Black Knight Satellite is something distinctly different. It looks solid, scary. Looks like a Batman vehicle right in the sky. That's what's awesome about it. Now, what is the Black Knight satellite, you ask? Good thing you asked. 13,000 years ago, an advanced alien civilization left a probe in Earth's orbit to keep an eye on the social hairless apes that had recently evolved into an organized group capable of molding the environment to their will.

[Joel McKean]

So this is like pre Noah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Definitely. That probe.

[Marcus Parks]

Ed, in the terms that we're about to head into, we call it antediluvian.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you. Before the flood, Before I got wet. Yeah. Now the probe. This probe could record events and communicate updates to the booties constellation. It's either booties or boots. 103 million light years away. And that probe could very well be the Black Knight satellite. Or it's a blanket. Could be either one. 50, 50. That's what I think. I think the odds are straight down the middle.

[Joel McKean]

Now what kind of blanket?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Black. Now this story is space blanket.

[Marcus Parks]

Space blanket.

[Joel McKean]

But it's not made out of like linen.

[Marcus Parks]

No, no, no, no. It's a blanket. In the most broad of terms, it's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

A fire retardant blanket.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, you're just trying to say the word.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm allowed to within the word retardant. It is a retardant based blanket made from retardant and used to be a retardant. Now there are some people that don't know what this, the reason why it's floating up in the sky. It's like. And it's. It's very sick. So this was seen at first by the modern audience in 1998. Now this is viewed as a piece of space junk. At first when this came out, there was this picture. It's labeled STS08872466 in the NASA archives. You look at. It's cool looking. It's this picture of here. They kind of added like a blur to it to make it look more UFO y. But if you actually look at the picture, it's pretty fucking dope because it looks like this weird mysterious speck right above our pale blue dot. And you could see why when people first saw it, when it was published in 1998, everyone was like, what the f to do the sky right?

[Marcus Parks]

And in 1998, like, America was very much like into X Files. Like alien. Like the. You saw the gray alien.

[Joel McKean]

Independence Day is only three years old.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. Aliens are everywhere. People are primed to believe. In the late 90s, back when we still had what do you call it hope?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, faith. And this is because it seemed interesting. This is one of those things. Why UFOs were the gasoline behind the Internet, because people were like all the OG boards, most of them were ufology boards. So when 1998, when this hit the Internet, it was like deepened in the conspiracy realm. And there were several other pictures of it. If you believe people that have been who've made the Black Knight satellite their entire lives. Now the reason why it was so interesting was because it corroborated with these old ideas of people seeing things in the sky and getting messages from things in the sky over a long time ago. Now this, the first thing was seen in 1953. Dr. Lincoln La Paz of the University of New Mexico discovered an unknown satellite orbiting Earth. La Paz reported discovery to the U.S. department of Defense, who contacted Dr. Clyde Tombach. Now it's important to know now, Dr. Clyde Tombach, big guy in space industry. He's Pluto's agent. He discovered Pluto.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So Pluto obviously had put on a. I believe it was a bringer show and did show. Like he kind of went there because that's big. You guys don't know in the space entertainment industry what a planet has to do is first of all be willing to do nudity. And then you have to put on obviously dramatic monologue, comedic monologue, dance song. Yeah. And she, she did all that. Pluto's a woman.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. Pluto's a woman. First of all, you. Yep, yeah, Pluto's a lady. And that's Dr. Clyde right there. Dr. Clyde had the wherewithal when he saw Pluto's huge tits. He knew Pluto was going to make it real far in the solar system.

[Joel McKean]

But Pluto was a planet. And then they took its rights away as a planet and then gave them back.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly.

[Joel McKean]

And it's re. A planet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it's not. Oh, it's not a planet.

[Joel McKean]

It's not a planet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Absolutely not.

[Joel McKean]

My very energetic mother gave us nine.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep, exactly. Don't know. Don't know. All we know is, is that Pluto, it's not good enough anymore. It's been cut.

[Joel McKean]

Really.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right. But Dr. Clyde was. He would. Knew. Dr. Clyde was the first person they called. Right. Because again, who knows the space industry better than him? Ain't nobody, right? Except for Dr. Jupiter. Tombach confirmed the existence of the unknown satellite. But his findings were never officially released to the public. Too intense for everyone.

[Marcus Parks]

And it's like the late 50s.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, this is 19 mid-50s. The Army Office of Ordinance Research investigated the claims of La Paz and Tombach. But declared the unknown satellites, quote, unquote, did not exist. And that's the beginning of the government cover up. November of 1954 in Chicago, radio DJ Jim Mills and his guest euphologist John Otto. They attempted to then contact these rumored unidentified satellites orbiting the earth, believing that they could get a response.

[Joel McKean]

Your refrigerator running?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. No. No, no. You bastard. Mills and Otto, they sent a message to space. And this is what they sent. This is Jim Mills. I invite you and those in flying discs listening to standby for a message from the friendly people of Earth. We desire to communicate with you. We will hold a 15 second period of silence for you to cut in and speak to us through the transmitter. At 11:25pm Mills shut off the microphones in the studio for 15 seconds. You want to hold for 15 seconds to see how long that is? Extremely long time to have dead air.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right. Extremely long. Yeah. You would not know. You would not know. And when Mills and Otto came back on the air, the switchboard lit up with calls from listeners all saying that they had heard the aliens reply. In what way would you guess, Eddie?

[Joel McKean]

I guess telepathically.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Sleigh bells jingling Aver.

[Marcus Parks]

They said it sounded somewhat like a version of Jingle Bells Song or bells jingling Bells jingling. Well, I read both. I read that it was a. It was. It was sleigh bells. But I also read it may have been erroneously reported that it was a version of Jingle Bells.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I am getting corrected in my own episode.

[Joel McKean]

Jingle Bells, Jingle bells, Jingle bells.

[Marcus Parks]

Jingle all the way.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Jingle all the way Jingle all the way.

[Joel McKean]

I'm definitely a fond, fond of the dog version.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, my God. There's corgis on the moon.

[Marcus Parks]

It's a fascinating story behind that. It's a. It actually is a very fast. But the whole story behind this, the barking dogs, it's like early sampling. It's incredible stuff.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Fascinating. It's the real. What we're really going to get into today.

[Joel McKean]

This is turning into a no dog.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Slowly but surely getting pulled to the side. So, you know, with people. One of the two of the people that called to say, hey, we heard the Jingle Bells. The original Dobleman twins.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, both of them called.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, because they actually survived the experiments of Mengele, which I thought was amazing. That was. I guess that's why they got chosen is that he would put, you know, obviously he'd slice them in half and then have one eat spearmint and have the other eat berry and see if the one could taste the other in Their asshole. And also they were just regular sisters, Marie and Mildred Meyer, who had recorded the alien message. Apparently the story brought the attention of the CIA's Office of Scientific Investigations who interviewed the Maya sisters, Meyer sisters, and confiscated their recording. Later the CIA claimed the recording was just Morse code from a nearby radio outpost and destroy the evidence.

[Marcus Parks]

What about the sleigh bells though?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Gone.

[Joel McKean]

What was in the Morse code message?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Something about how, oh, you better not be Jewish or Santa's not coming to your house.

[Marcus Parks]

What is the CIA Office of Science Investigation?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. Scientific Investigation.

[Marcus Parks]

I'd never heard of that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is another one of those. Like if we were to open the top of any one of these intelligence offices, they always have like mini groups. Think about what all SAP was, what a tip was. All of these things with inside. That's how they keep you from understanding what all the other different parts are doing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, because a tip's a part of the nsa, right?

[Henry Zabrowski]

It would know. It's all. Technically it's Pentagon. It's to the DOD.

[Marcus Parks]

DOD, okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So DOD's got his whole old realm of shit. And I say it's got its whole realm of shit. CIA has got a whole realm of shit. Each one some. Again, some of the best co workers I've ever had. Truly some of the most bright, fair and diverse group of people I heard. Now this next one is where you could see. So in 1957, the Soviet Union launched Earth's first official satellite. This is just three years later, Sputnik. And followed up with Sputnik 2, which. Which is honestly great. A lot more nudity. I went the first. And then right behind it, trailing behind Sputnik 2 was Laika. The dog. The dog. Yeah. So like. Yeah. And they, they swore, they totally believed and they said that they thought that, that Laika. They did a whole thing about how that's where the barking was coming from. From. Yes, it was.

[Joel McKean]

She could sing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You know what that is though, in dog? That was. Please help me. Oh my God, help me. I'm burning up inside of this capsule now.

[Joel McKean]

I, I thought Sputnik was Russian.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, I thought you just said it was American.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, we're watching them. So these bees went up in the sky. So this is like the first man made satellite to go into space.

[Marcus Parks]

These are the first satellites that we put up into space.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

Discounting the possible Black Knight satellite that might last 13,000 years.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Came from somebody else.

[Joel McKean]

It could just be like a fucked up rock.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey, but maybe that fucked up rock used to have a life of Its own. So, yeah, they say they're like.

[Joel McKean]

They said.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They said Lake lived up there for 10 days. Definitely didn't live more than five hours. Yeah, we know that, but. But the fact that it lived at all showed that something could live in space. So good work, like.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And I think they sent up, what, 70 some odd dogs in all.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah, 71 more dogs.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But only 17 died, according to the Soviet Union.

[Joel McKean]

You know, people always complain when people put their dog on a hang glider or take it scuba diving. It's not worse than this.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't think that's good either. I don't like it when people. Why do people take their. Their pets to extreme sports?

[Joel McKean]

I mean, if they're chill, sure. If they're not chill, don't do it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What do you mean? If they're chill like that, it's fine with being deployed into the sky.

[Joel McKean]

Skull the retriever, paragliding the other day, and I was like, that dog's happy as fuck.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Not happy. It's frightened. It doesn't know what to do.

[Marcus Parks]

There's this bulldog that skateboards. He loves it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's different. That's cute as hell. And that's ground based.

[Marcus Parks]

But it's still extreme sports.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But you don't.

[Marcus Parks]

But you can't put. I can't put Georgie on a hang glass.

[Joel McKean]

You couldn't handle it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Can you imagine throwing car me into a hot air balloon's not made for it. No. No.

[Joel McKean]

Dog is really cool, calm golden retrievers.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I feel like the only one that ever could have done it was airbud, and he's dead.

[Joel McKean]

It's in his name.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He died, but I'm saying he died in the sky.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Okay. I believe he died at the hands of his owners.

[Joel McKean]

I think it was CTE from God for being a receiver.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. He killed his mommy and daddy. His weight machine.

[Marcus Parks]

I didn't think about it. They never did give that dog a helmet.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, no, no, no, no, no. And then once it got into the hard drugs, because that's the thing. Everyone wants to meet Air Bud, but no one wants to be Air Bud, girl.

[Marcus Parks]

God. The years of Air Bud and Lawrence Taylor together. My go cortisone.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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See Mint Mobile for details. So Sputnik when Sputnik and Sputnik 2 were. Sputnik. I hate having the outline. When Sputnik and Sputnik 2 were in orbit, many scientists observed the artificial Sad these artificial satellites people were. Now we're looking at the sky for the first time on mass quite a bit. And with a paranoid view. Dr. Luis Corralos of the Communications Ministry in Venezuela spotted Sputnik 2 over Caracas. And Corrals saw a second unknown satellite shadowing Sputnik 2. Now people are starting to see weird stuff in the sky. In the late 1950s to early 1960s, more and more scientists started studying space to find intelligent life. The search for extraterrestrial intelligence. The SETI program was founded. Project OSMA was started by Frank Drake of Cornell University. And a lot of guys though the problem is that we're working on our concepts of what an alien would use as technology.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So we assume we use radio, they'll use radio. So they start getting deep into using radio technology to kind of mine the space to see if they bounce something back, which is again, it's one of those things that it does sort of happen. It does happen. There's these things called LD's. In 1927, a Norwegian engineer by the name Jurgen Hulz was doing some radio experiments and discovered signal echoes that appeared sometime, some time between one and 40 seconds after an initial radio transmission was broadcast. So we're shooting shit out in space. Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Lds, that's what long distance, like long delayed radio echoes. Long delayed radio echoes. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

These are, these are, they're called long delayed radio echoes. And they, when hail first identified them, they have been happening on and off ever since. So we sent out a radio signal and essentially like about a minute or even up to 40 seconds before, like whatever, it bounces back in this weird way we don't know what's bouncing off of a lot of. They all were saying that it was bouncing off of hidden things in the sky.

[Joel McKean]

Bounce off the moon.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes, it probably is bouncing off the moon, but we don't really know somebody. But this is where some people believe the Black Knight satellite comes in.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, we're still kind of unsure exactly what it is. Some people think it's like a, like a geodesic thing or like it might be something we are bouncing off something on the Earth. There might be something about the magnetic field we don't understand.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But super thick part of the atmosphere, you know how that is.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Is it still there?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Joel McKean]

And we've like gotten up close to why have we ever tried to land on it?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, now we're, we're kind of. No. Oh no. The Black Knight satellite. No, we can't find it. It's already. Basically it's already gone. If it was up there, it's gone.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And so now it's like. Or it's moved out of orbit. It's like, you know, that's kind of depending on what you believe about.

[Joel McKean]

So it's probably more of a spaceship than a satellite.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're getting it, you're starting to really start to understand it. But also the key is, is that we're past a lot of this technology now. A lot of now we're changing the way we're doing things. We are. I think we're starting to understand that maybe super advanced race wouldn't necessarily, necessarily work with radio signals. But until then, you know, at this point in the story, though, we're not there yet.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, it's sort of the idea of visit. The idea that like nuts and bolts UFOs would take far too long to get here because the scientific principles that nothing can travel faster than light and traveling at light speed, it would still take, you know, years upon years upon years for anything to actually get here. So it kind of stands to reason that if UFOs do exist, if it's nuts and bolts, UFOs could coming from other alien civilizations, then they would have access to technology that we don't have access to. They would have access to scientific knowledge that we haven't discovered just yet and maybe don't understand.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So they probably wouldn't. Radio waves are probably far be. Like they're far be. If they are nuts and bolts UFOs, they are far beyond radio waves.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But at the time, we don't know that. We assume that radio waves is the far bleeding edge of technology that we're on. So we're trying to kind of talk to this thing back. We believe that we're talking to something and it might be sending something back. Yeah, like signals have been around and the idea of signals being in the sky have actually been around for a very long time. Technically, before we even started doing these massive like space exploration projects. It starts technically with Tesla. Nikola Tesla. Now we're all the way back here. I keep dialing the story back.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah, well, I mean, of course you have to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's one layer after a time. Because now it's like, okay, how does this connect to the Black Knight satellite? It's up there, like, let's say at the very top of this. This is some object that is sitting in our lower orbit that's just been there hanging out 13,000 years. 13,000 years.

[Joel McKean]

First time we've ever noticed that. It could have been there before that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it's also weird because when it was first starting, when people were noticing things in the sky, they said where most things when they Float around the planet. Earth satellites, man made satellites. They work on the equator line. Biden. It wasn't until many, many years later that we can do what's called a polar version of the circlings.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah. That goes around the prime meridian.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. It goes up and over and over instead of around and around.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Bad at the science. So bad at the science. There's a, there's a, the, the idea that it's.

[Marcus Parks]

Normally you can go to college and he's better at this than you.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It just doesn't understand.

[Joel McKean]

It's just hard to graduate high school with a 2.0.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's all about what's real and what's not real. What's real?

[Joel McKean]

Real.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What's not real? I don't know. So like, let's just say the Black Knight satellite, this is the full rollout of what it could be. So let's say it's been monitoring Earth for thousands of years. It's in low Earth orbit. It can shift from low to medium Earth orbit. But none of our artificial satellites are necessarily capable of. Right, so it means that it's controlling itself. If you look at it from the side right now, now just seeing the picture of the Black Knight satellite that we have from 1998, it looks like this solid floaty thing. It looks sort of like a rock.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right. So this is what we're saying.

[Marcus Parks]

Like, it looks like the. Sort of like the, the obelisk from 2001.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what John Keel was all wigged out about. According to John Keel, ufologist and paranormal researcher who wrote the Mothman prophecies. My boy.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He also wrote a great book that I ended up then buying and reading called Disneyland of the Gods that has like a whole chapter on this. This is. So he believes that something left. Left something behind to talk to us or say hello to us. As evidence of. We came and visited your planet a long time ago. One day you might have the technology to see the rock that we left to say hello. And maybe that's as far as it goes. Or is it signaling back to some other big group of bad, scary, slash just aloof aliens that we don't understand and might not necessarily know what our agendas are or can.

[Joel McKean]

It is intimidating looking.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's cool looking. Yeah, yeah, it's cool.

[Joel McKean]

Like a friendly alien ship, I'll tell you that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, it doesn't. But maybe that's their view. But black is also slimming.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And it's kind of dope. You know, I like a matte black Car. When they do that, I think it's cool. I like a Batman mobile looking car.

[Joel McKean]

Now, I don't want to throw you off and if this does, just shoot me down and we can.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Earth.

[Joel McKean]

All right. Four billion years old.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sure.

[Joel McKean]

Okay. Dinosaurs. 65 million. So we could have had full on civilizations. Not necessarily human, but other kind of creatures that could have lived on Earth at some point.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You're getting into Graham Hancock territory. Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

So this if everything on Earth from that is like, you know, sunken into the earth and turned back in the magma because of time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Magma, yes.

[Joel McKean]

This is sitting in space. This could be something from an ancient civilization.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you idiot. Yeah. That's what I'm talking about. All right. That species of aliens might be called the Watchers.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right. And they exist primarily in another dimension beyond the bounds of the space time continuum. Like Galactus or the Watcher, but real. The Watchers both seeded Earth with life and interface with humans to help steer them towards cultural advancement. This is where we get into those hazy things. I still think that humans on their own could do quite a bit with their thought processes, but I don't really know why. I don't think they necessarily need alien help, but I don't think that necessarily doesn't mean that aliens didn't come and say hi. Yeah. So these guys came. They. They arrived in Earth. Let's say the Watchers arrived on Earth 40, 000 years ago. They interbred with human women. Because of our awesome big succulent butts. Because you've seen aliens?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Horrible bodies.

[Marcus Parks]

No. Butts?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No. Can you imagine?

[Marcus Parks]

Well, if you're talking about grays. Yeah. If you're talking about tall whites, that's a different story altogether.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Still no.

[Marcus Parks]

But yes.

[Joel McKean]

What if humans. I know we always say that humans could be aliens, but what if we're half alien, half Neanderthal?

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is what Eddie's got it right there. Yeah. You're about to be on Joe Rogan's podcast. You're about to be in the cabinet for the US Government.

[Joel McKean]

I'm just asking questions.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly. That's all we need you to do.

[Marcus Parks]

All you got to do, ma'am.

[Joel McKean]

You know, I know some people say that asking questions can lead to missing information, but I'm willing to give that a shot.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Anything. All I know is I love meeting mis information. But you never want to meet her husband, Mr. Information, because he hates what you do with her.

[Joel McKean]

That's mansplaining.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The Watchers, they have great knowledge of tool making, mathematics Agriculture and laws. They gave it all to humanity. You could tell because if you look on the. The Code of Hammurabi Marcus and if you go to the section that's in the British Museum, you will see there's a UFO on it.

[Marcus Parks]

And that's proof.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. The proof of the watchers can be found as godly depictions of flying saucers on ancient cave paintings throughout the world. We've all been there.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh yeah. This is ancient aliens territory. Without a doubt.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They're also known as the Cuckers.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Cuz they watch from space. In the original Star Trek episode, who mourns for Adonay. This is all from Joel, by the way. This, this little section here, this is a race of godlike aliens who claimed to visit Earth during ancient Greece and posed as gods so they could receive the power from being worshiped. Do you know that one?

[Marcus Parks]

I'm not a big TOS guy. Original Series guy.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm more of a. Well, I'm Next Generation and Deep Space Nine.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You ever watched the original series?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I've watched it here and there, but.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Afraid of the unbridled masculinity of James T. Kirk?

[Marcus Parks]

No, it's just a. Mostly dull.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But he kissed those ladies.

[Marcus Parks]

He did kiss those ladies. But you know, you can see ladies getting kissed anywhere.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. You can do it in your house. You put up a mirror or kiss your wife.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I can kiss my wife anytime.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Paint her green.

[Marcus Parks]

That's also a possibility. I can also look up ladies getting painted green and getting kissed on the Internet very easily. And then it gets. Goes further than that.

[Joel McKean]

Are you searching for that now?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I just looked up green skin, women kissing.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. It's pretty prevalent.

[Marcus Parks]

I'm a Next Generation Deep Space Nine guy and I love strange new worlds.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So this was. So John Keel obviously was a huge proponent of this. He. He very much believed that there was like a seeding race of aliens. I still believe that that is a. It's a very simplified version of what could be a very complex biological component to our universe.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think that it's a lot more mysterious than that. I do believe, which is what John Keel said, which he's entirely correct. If there, if they were communicating with us, us over any volume of space time, it probably would need to be psychic because of quantum entanglement, which is what. When quantums become what they call it spooky action at a distance. It's this idea that one of the weird things in quantum mechanics or whatever is that ostensibly two particles can possibly be in the same place at the same time. Because of the intransigent way that matter exists. Right. Essentially. I can't wait for the letters on this. The idea is that you can. Maybe it's kind of during the woo. To woo. We woo it. You could match a frequency in your brain, just some other frequency somewhere else in the universe, and then you would instantly be able to speak to each other. That's really just the most goopy way to say, psychic communication.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

It's the idea that, you know, radio waves travel at the speed of light, but thought has no upper limit.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

So thought can travel instantaneously. Or so the theory goes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like right now, Hillary Clinton naked. Done did it. I just thought about it. Yeah. Warwick Davis defending Casey Anthony in jail.

[Joel McKean]

Too late. I already saw him naked.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Maybe that's the only ability I have.

[Marcus Parks]

Defending Casey Anthony in jail. You. So you mean that case?

[Joel McKean]

Yeah. She got convicted in that world.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

And worked Willow, her lawyer.

[Marcus Parks]

See, the way I. The way my brain put it was that Casey Anthony, after going to prison, smuggled Warwick Davis in to act as her personal bodyguard and her. Yeah, but no, I just mean paid off a guard and then.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, I thought you meant him.

[Marcus Parks]

No, him with a large sword, acted as her personal bodyguard in a women's prison.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the power of imagination, isn't it? Back to the black knights at satellite. Speaking of the power of the imagination to get deeper to the mystery of the Black Knight satellite, however, we really have to talk about Nikola Tesla. We're back here now.

[Joel McKean]

I was gonna ask.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you, but I didn't want to.

[Joel McKean]

I was like, if he's moving past it, I'm just gonna leave.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, we're back. We're back. Thank you, Joel, for the helping with this outline. Nikola Tesla was one of the more important figures in science. Definitely developed many things. The electromagnetic wave technology that allowed wireless communication that we all use today.

[Marcus Parks]

Indeed.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He also got majorly flamed by Edison. And I think largely Tesla was just a weirdo. And they didn't. They gave him a lot of judgment. Yeah, he's got a goth.

[Marcus Parks]

He was. He was too beautiful for this world.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was too precious.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Edison was probably just like a better hang.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, Edison was a fucking bastard. But he was an American.

[Joel McKean]

Just because you're a bastard doesn't mean you're a bad hangman.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He was an evil. I bet you. Yeah, you're right. Because if you're just hanging with them every once in a while, a bastard's actually kind of A lot of fun. It's only when you get close to him.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. If you're. If we're talking like a night out. Yeah. I'm going. Edison dinner, maybe. Tesla. Yeah, like Tesla might be better for a night dinner.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Tesla's breakfast. Edison's after dinner. Drinks.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah, that's great. I like that. That's a good way to look at it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And P.T. barnum's at the hotel room after all.

[Joel McKean]

Of the hotel lobby.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Waiting for.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So Tesla, who also worked in Colorado Springs, which I did not know, he was in his laboratory in 1899. Working in the lab, late morning. I wish I could do a whole song. I was working in the lab. He happened upon a mysterious radio signal test.

[Marcus Parks]

The eerie sight.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What? Whoa, whoa. It's the wolf man doing the twist. That wolf man's now having sex with my father. So he was watching his signals because he's bored and he's fucking a weirdo. And Tesla believed that there was a greeting of one planet to another from highly intelligent beings. Tesla intercepted dozens of strange radio signals which he initially believed were from Mars. Became to understand that they were from much further away. This made him as inspired and developed technology capable of sending radio signals to other planets. And it sort of also ruined his entire career because he came out saying, big deal, I'm talking to aliens. They gave. They sent this triple message where it was knock, knock, knock. And then he sent a four knock response and got nothing. But they're also. Now there's a lot of talk about whether or not, like, he did pick up something weird. And there have been people who've tried to recreate this same experiment and have gotten this weird chatter back, but they believe that it might come from literally weird space. Signals bouncing off of Jupiter could have been from a pulsar fluctuating or something. Or it could have been from other radio technology experiments that were happening at the time. Because that is what's super interesting about it, is the fact that there were. There wasn't all of these signals flying through the sky at the time.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So when this popped up, it really felt like really fucking weird.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Or it could have been aliens.

[Joel McKean]

Black Knight satellite now.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Joel McKean]

How does something bounce off of Jupiter? I thought Jupiter was just gas.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Jupiter's gas. But it's solid enough to get bounced off of gas can actually be bounced off of in space.

[Joel McKean]

Okay, cool.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, yeah. Very much so.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Has to be. Now this is what Tesla. All of this then comes together when Black Knight is then seen later on. And this idea of the there's something talking to another planetary race outside of his like kind of all gets souped up. So now like this is all of this to be said is like this is why the Black Knight satellite started to sort of accrue conspiracy theories around it once 1998. Like that kind of set it all off. Because what then unearthed was even more weird legit information about what was going on in the sky and in space at the same time. By the 1960s, the USA and the Soviet Union were competing in the space race. In January 1960, both the US and US and Soviet scientists discovered that what they believed to be an unknown satellite in what they called the polar orbit of the Earth. Neither nation have been capable of launching a satellite into polar orbit. In addition, the polar satellite was believed to be 15 tons. And the heaviest satellite launched at the time was only 1.4 tons. There were many research establishments that confirmed this thing. So that was the first time we saw something in the sky. We didn't know what it was. Right. New York Times, Newsweek, Life magazine reported on this heavy polar satellite calling it the Black Knight, which is where we get the name. There were countless reports from professional and amateur astronomers, radio operators about the Black Knight, strange radio signals and these long delayed echoes. People are all getting these like weird things, watches and things in the sky partially is just the amount of now eyeballs looking at the sky. Especially since like the lead up to this having the whole space race go on in the United States, all over the world, like everybody's got space on the brain.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah. And everyone's also super paranoid because of the Cold War because the Russians got the Sputnik into space first. And we don't know what Sputnik can do. We don't know what anything is what the Russians are capable of. So people are staring up at the sky looking for and they're very paranoid about what's up there.

[Joel McKean]

And Alien Entertainment is at an all time high.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Huge. It's huge. It's like people love sci fi, it is a part of the whole mod movement. But then they get to. So now we show back up. So Clyde Tombow, Pluto's agent. Yeah, he just beat all of these allegations at the time for sexually assaulting Mercury. And when he got a past all of that to handle.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah, hold the hold.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's the space lawyer and he's in control. So he, he believed Earth, he himself believed that Earth had an unknown satellite similar to the Moon. Moon, but much closer to Earth. In low Earth orbit. Tombach observed the Black Knight was apparently, and he was able to, he said that it could adjust its orbit and move into medium Earth orbit, which is what I used to do, but now I am moving into extra large orbit. Back where you belong, where I feel comfortable.

[Joel McKean]

The picture we were seeing of the Black Knight satellite is that the only picture that exists.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's a couple of other, quote unquote. There are other pictures that exist. According to some conspiracy theorists that you, when you watch their videos, there's some that say like, yeah, that one got debunked, that main picture got debunked. But there are other pictures from other sources that they say exist of it. And it just depends on whether or not you believe that those pictures are real or not.

[Joel McKean]

And the Hubble can't see this thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hubble's got other things on its mind, dog. Hubble's doing other. No, it's because it's not looking at us.

[Joel McKean]

Us.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hubble's looking out. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Hubble's looking out the rest of the space. Trying to find out there.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, and the Hubble's in space.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, Hubble's in space.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

You can't turn the Hubble around and have it look at Earth.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, dude, you can't turn that around, dude, because honestly, you just look like you ever taken a selfie on the toilet.

[Joel McKean]

What about the observatory? Like the big, you know, we have. There's giant telescopes all over Earth. We've been able to spot this thing once.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's quite like, think about how big space is and how small this object might be.

[Joel McKean]

We don't know, 15 tons.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. We could spot our own satellites because we know where they are. Yeah, it's very big. Very big. Things move very fast there. February 1960, the US government identified on radar a dark tumbling object in Earth's orbit. And the Navy experienced what they said was another long delayed radio echo. The Defense Department dismissed the object as space debris. Time magazine published an article about the unknown object, speculating that it was the often rumored Black Knight satellite. So got a lot of coverage. This whole story was pretty legit. It was speculated that the object was a Soviet spy satellite. So it's like a N US of.

[Joel McKean]

Course, why would they say it was them?

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it was revealed. True, it was revealed in a follow up Times article that the U.S. navy program dark Fence was on the lookout for all satellites, satellites, US Soviet or other. And the tumbling object was actually a piece broken off of a US spy satellite. Discoverer 5. Nevertheless, the initial article had spawned a rabid Curiosity for the Black Knight satellite. So it's like this is true. There was stuff floating around out there.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, we didn't know what it was.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We didn't know what it was because we were trying to shoot stuff into space as much as we could, especially at the time. And some of it just didn't work work. Some of it died as soon as we shut it out.

[Joel McKean]

But it stays in orbit for a long time.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, that is, reenters the atmosphere and burns up.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yes. Because very common space debris which is being seen misidentified by astronauts. Throughout the 1960s, many US astronauts reported seeing strange things in the Earth's orbit. Astronaut Gordon Cooper made several launches into the Earth's orbit from 1963 to 1966. And he saw multiple unknown objects. Faith 7 when he did that flight, Cooper saw an unknown object that was confirmed by 100 other people who spotted it on radar. In 1966, Cooper was on another mission orbiting Earth when he saw a green glowing orb that was confirmed on radar by the Australian Muchea observation station. So people see shit out there all the time.

[Joel McKean]

Drives me crazy though. You're out there, you're an astronaut, you're orbiting space, you're looking for shit. Take a fucking picture. I know like if we don't, we miss an alien because like holy shit, that's an alien. You know, we don't take a picture. You're out, that's what you're doing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But the problem, you're out there patrolling space. Take the fucking picture. But I think the problem is that the cameras are not as good as we wanted them to be. And then when you went to go take the picture, it would look like how when you know, you know how everybody is a professional photographer on July 4th taking up pictures of fireworks and they're like, oh, that's awesome. Oh goody. And then later on you have to go watch some guy's video of a fireworks because you're caught in uber pool with him and he's like, see these right here? This is the fireworks. Before I watched my daughter die. My daughter died of asthma in my arms. She died of asthma. And then you're looking at the fireworks and it's just little fart blips on it. Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

An astronaut is telling me about his daughter died and show me Pictures.

[Marcus Parks]

It's 1966 so you know, he's not going to bring like a camera. Technology isn't quite there yet for sure.

[Joel McKean]

But we're also like, we're currently cruising out there all the time. You know, Katy Perry and Gayle King got back this morning.

[Henry Zabrowski]

They should have stayed. You should have left her up there. Except Katy Perry again. She's still my choice.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Speaking of fireworks, there you go.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're getting candle. We can get sued.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Joel McKean]

Also what cracks me up is I watch the morning show and like when, when I was watching the morning show and I was like, this show is jump the shark is when they sent Reese Witherspoon to space and now they.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It just happened.

[Joel McKean]

And now it just happened. So I'm actually a idiot because I thought that was ridiculous.

[Henry Zabrowski]

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[Henry Zabrowski]

So this is all of this Is very interesting. Eventually, Cooper would come out and he'd say that he didn't believe in the Black Knight satellite. He'd have to come and recant that. He said he saw things. I think it's because guys got to him. I mean, they're being a about it. Yeah, that's right, Seb.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, there's been plenty of astronauts over. Astronauts kind of go one of two ways, you know, they either like, yeah, I saw weird out there and I can't explain it, or they say there's nothing out there that we can't explain. If I can't identify it, that just means I didn't know what it was. It doesn't mean that it's necessarily an alien.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's correct.

[Marcus Parks]

Or anything like that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's a lot more interesting things that could be in space and in the air that are not necessarily extraterrestrial. Real life.

[Marcus Parks]

Sure.

[Joel McKean]

I think if an astronaut goes up there, sees some and comes back and tells us that makes him a bad astronaut.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Keep it yourself, all right. Because that's your one job, working for the government.

[Joel McKean]

You're up there finding secrets.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think it's because they all. Space changes you. They always say it. Space changes you.

[Joel McKean]

Makes you taller.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Makes you taller. But it also. It does. It gives you. There's an aloofness. They say that there's. I forgot one of the. I think it was Buzz Aldrin talked about the depression. Yeah, he was.

[Joel McKean]

Name was Frank. Tell me Buzz.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Give me five bears. They call me drunk. All that's stupid. Dr. Ronald Bracewell of Stanford University eventually would publish articles about the possibility of communicating between extraterrestrials and other star systems and the difficulty because of how big spaces. Bracewell theorized that a satellite could send out radio signals to see if any were reflected back, which could be the result of intelligent life intentionally refle. Detecting the signal to indicate communication was possible. So imagine like it was just popped up there a long time ago as some observer thing and whatever was attached to its long dead. But maybe that's one way to look at it, Right? Maybe whatever purpose that thing served a long time ago, it is now over. And now we're hearing the echoes of it constantly bouncing around our ionosphere. Maybe that's something again. Or is it a blanket? There's a lot of people that still think it's a blanket. There. There's a belief there. There's. Obviously, we don't know where these other alien races are and where they might be. I still believe that it would Be highly ignorant to say that there's not another physical alien race somewhere in the universe.

[Joel McKean]

I think ignorant more. It's self centered as well.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Unless of course the Internet. Unless the universe is something that we don't know what it is either and we don't. Or if reality is something that we barely understand. We don't even really understand what consciousness is and why we have conscious consciousness and why we can't find other consciousness. Because we also don't know what is the prerogative. What is the evolutionary prerogative of consciousness. We don't know. There's a lot. There is also people that believe that maybe these radio signals and all this way of talking about this is also super wrong. We're looking at it all wrong. Maybe it needs to be math. Dr. Hans Freudender Paul and the Netherlands he believed math was the most plausible form of communication between alien beings. And this is not a joke. He created a language of what you would just say beeps and bloops. So you go beep, beep, beep, beep.

[Joel McKean]

Blue, bleep, bloop, Close encounters.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. Yeah, but it's with beeps and bloops. And they could easily form simple mathematical formulas that would be understood by alien life and repeated back. Sounds like binary. Binary.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it's beeps and bloops.

[Marcus Parks]

It makes sense. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think that typing out the words beep bloop and typing that a lot into space, I feel like that's affecting some of the way we're taking this seriously. Or not.

[Marcus Parks]

I think. Yeah. I beep bloop. If we could get a better, more scientific word than beep and bloop, we do get by and just call it binary.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what you'd say.

[Marcus Parks]

Binary.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Binary audio cube.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Thank you.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, we call them backs bacs.

[Henry Zabrowski]

See this was also like. This was one way to deal with it. We. But the main thing that all the centers around is a Scottish insane person by the name of Duncan Lunan.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Amateur astronomer.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And anybody can be one. That's the best part. You just gotta buy a telescope and get drunk.

[Joel McKean]

Not wear pants.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Hey. If you're serious about it. Because they're Scotland. Because they all wear skirts. The 1970s Scottish amateur astronomer and science fiction writer Duncan Lunan collected all of the known strange radio signal events and long delayed radio echo instances from history. So he said he put all of these things together. He did a lot years and years of research and he plotted out all the data onto a graph and he said a star map emerged. So this is what he believed was being pinged off of the Black Knight satellite. And he collected all of these things. And that's what the Black Knight satellite light is doing. So this is the message. Luna found that the the data points, they led to the star Epsilon Butas. And within the data there was also a message starter. Our home is Oopsland Boots, which is a double star. We live on the sixth planet of seven. Coming from the sun, which is the larger of the two or six planet is one moon. Our fourth planet is three. Our first and third planets each have one. Our probe is in the position of Arcturus Non in our maps. Right.

[Marcus Parks]

So in his world, the aliens are Scottish as well. Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Shockingly, Duncan Lunan believed the aliens had been on Earth thousands of years ago and had left the Black Knight satellite behind with a message that could be translated once humankind had developed develop significant technology to do so. So the idea is that it's just there until we can say hi. And then when we say hi, guess what it said. Nothing.

[Joel McKean]

Well, we didn't say hi correctly, I guess.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Or not quick enough.

[Marcus Parks]

So it might be dead.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I mean, who knows? Loonan shared his findings with several of his peers at the British Interplanetary Society. And the vice president, Kenneth Gatlin, replicated Lunan's work and found the conclusions to be credited questionable. He said, all right, I'll take a look at your data points out. Right. That's some cool ass data points. It's alien. Cna you. Sounds like.

[Marcus Parks]

Sounds like a peer.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yep. Now, abstinent butas is a 103 million light years from Earth. That's four.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Duncan Lunan star charts displayed the position of EP, displayed the position of Epsilon Butis from 13,000 years ago, which places the arrival of the Black Night satellite at exactly 13,000 years ago and suggests the aliens of Epsilon, but are capable of traveling several times faster than the speed of light. In this real fast. Coincidentally, between 11,000 and 13,000 years ago was also when the lost civilization of Atlantis fell.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh, antediluvian.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's got to be real. You know how it is. You get the Internet, people trying to dig it out. They made a nuclear bomb, they blew themselves up, had crystals for hat.

[Joel McKean]

Where do they think Atlantis is?

[Henry Zabrowski]

South.

[Marcus Parks]

Of us.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Which is down. See to Duncan Lunan and his friends, the placing of the Black Knight satellite in orbit made several kinds of sense. Several kinds of many different types of sense. For one, it would ensure the satellite would last for thousands, if not millions of Years because in orbit it would not be affected by weather and geological disturbances. There's nothing in space. They can just hang out there except.

[Joel McKean]

For all of our satellites.

[Henry Zabrowski]

A lot of stuff. By being in orbit, the only way it could be access was when humankind had advanced technologically and culturally enough to handle the possibility of alien life because it knew it couldn't protect ourselves from ourselves.

[Marcus Parks]

This seems to be a bit of a contradiction though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What? Fuck you. How fucking dare you.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, just come with me on this. Ye asking a question. How do the ancient alien theorists, I guess how do they balance that idea of aliens have been visiting us for millennia and giving us all this technology and so on and so forth with. We have to wait until we're sufficient like culturally advanced enough to accept the possibility of alien life.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's a very good question. I still feel that the. These are people. As soon as I hear two words, pyramids of Giza and Gobleki Tepe. Yep, I shut it off.

[Joel McKean]

What's Gobleki techie?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Lucky techie is a. With a blackie tech. It's well tech. It is interesting. It is a. A much farther along advanced city than we thought humans would have developed when we found it. So we found this city underground. It was very like well built out, which is like, you know, it's one. It's considered now like it might set the benchmark for when we started building organized cities earlier. But that doesn't mean that it's like when you look at Goy Tepe when it is a. It's still made out of the same stuff as everything else. It's not like it's made also.

[Marcus Parks]

No, it's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's. It's in a place like that.

[Joel McKean]

Okay, but it is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's where other old stuff is.

[Marcus Parks]

In Turkey.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, right next to Mashed potatoes. My favorite town in Turkey.

[Joel McKean]

Because it reminds you of your breasts.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't want to be reminded of my breast setting. I don't want to think about my tits. It's not about this. I like other tips. I like outsourced tits. My wife's. So it was possible maybe that the Epsilon butist aliens they scour galaxies looking for life and when they see something that's got life in it, they leave a black knight satellite behind. There's a way of collecting various species onto into the the Galactic Federation as like a bookmark, as a marker. I still think again, all of this is. There are still like maybe more interesting ways to explain this. But just like they came and they made them they, you know, because I do believe it is a double standard, Marcus. Yeah. I don't believe in the ancient aliens concept.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I also don't think that that doesn't, that doesn't necessarily mean that we have not been maybe visited by some.

[Joel McKean]

Something.

[Marcus Parks]

Oh yeah. I mean I think we've been visited for you know, decades and centuries and millennia.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's what even means.

[Marcus Parks]

But I also believe the humans are perfectly capable of building anything that is on this earth.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yes, of course. Because I think that that's what happened.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because you'd be surprised if you throw if you have time what it can do for you.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Right.

[Marcus Parks]

And no laws.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No laws. But also they didn't we more of those we now know had artisans working on them. And a lot of it was more that if you're an artisan, your son can be an artisan whether he likes it or not. And he's going to show up, he's going to be trained on it and he's going to work on it whether he wants to or not. Because that's his job. So faith, after a few years after Duncan Lunan proposed this black knight satellite theory, right. That this is the opinion point like all of this stuff is all. Is all coming together for him. He took it all back believing the community had taken it too far far because he couldn't get. It's the audience that ruined it. That's what he's saying.

[Marcus Parks]

As it often happens, that's what happens.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Man like tool. It's the audience that ruined it.

[Joel McKean]

They are awful fans.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Joel McKean]

No offense. I know there's lots of listen no like this is.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But it was too late now we're already. The public had been prepared for the possibility of alien life since the UFO sighting started in the 1940s. Maybe now this is where the COVID up is really big. Beginning in 1973, science fiction author and ufologist John McVeigh analyzed the long delayed echoes and concluded that they also thought. He thought they were from an alien probe orbiting the moon. Which helped to explain why LDs seem to appear and disappear at random when the probe was behind the moon. No LD's and when it was in front of the moon, LDS come back because it was hiding behind the moon.

[Marcus Parks]

That makes sense.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Sound fragments. So John McVeigh and Dr. Ronald Bracewell, they worked together to catalog LDs and separately confirmed they held coordinates for a star map that led to epsilon. Butas McVeigh wrote a book called man and the Stars about their work which allowed amateur ufologists to make More connections, including possibility that the LDE data lined up with Stonehenge and the Great Pyramid of Giza. And that's where I check out. As soon as they're all together hanging out like Stonehenge, the Great Pyramid of Giza. Like I do wish they could hang out. I think they'd like each other.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah, yeah. There's multiple Stonehenges. Right.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's Henges.

[Joel McKean]

There's Henges. Yes.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But Stonehenge is the capital.

[Joel McKean]

That's the big one. That's the best one.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the Bane one. That's the bets the Ariana Grande of that.

[Joel McKean]

And we still have no idea how.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, we do.

[Joel McKean]

How?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Dragon. And dragged him.

[Marcus Parks]

Drag them. Not, not dragon. A dragon.

[Henry Zabrowski]

What they would do is literally they would dig them up from the sacred area. They had a special rock that they wanted and they legitimately would take these giant slats of wood. Wood. And they would lay them out in front of it and they drag it along the slats, move the slats in front of the rock. Drag it along the slats, move the slats in front of the rock. It just took a very long time.

[Joel McKean]

It had to have taken like 100 years.

[Marcus Parks]

Well, that's the one thing that I think modern humans can't wrap their heads around is that like when you don't have like anything to do.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

You got a lot of time to.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Kill and strike and that's your purpose in life.

[Joel McKean]

That's some smooth ass rocks too. Because they would have. They would have had to like really smooth them out. They did and like.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And they were probably a lot smoother than we see them now.

[Joel McKean]

They're not smoother now with the rain.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'd say they're. They are probably more craggy now than they were Cool.

[Joel McKean]

Have you ever been?

[Henry Zabrowski]

No, no. I've always wanted to.

[Joel McKean]

I've always.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's like. It's like an hour and a half outside of London. I keep meaning to go and. But now it's like sad because I believe it's literally because of Ozzy Osbourne you're not allowed to go near it.

[Joel McKean]

Did he piss on that too?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I think he did something. Something like that happened. I forget what kept people from. You can't go Dyston Hench. You have to look at it from a hill.

[Marcus Parks]

You can't walk around or anything like that. Like you have to look at it from a distance.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So now finally, this whole story brings me back to something that makes me extremely difficult, which is the story behind Philip K. Dick and his visitations from an ancient alien source. Now I. This is not going to be the entire Philip K. Dick VALIS series because I have been reading the exegesis and it is. Is hard. Yes, it is very hard. He gets very scientific and he has gone insane. So it's a lot of it. He's the world's smartest man. For those of you that don't know Philip K. Dick, he wrote some of. Right. We wrote the movie. Yes. The. The book that. The Blade Runner space. Yeah. Flow my tears, a policeman said. He also wrote A Man in the High Castle. Philip K. Dick, probably one of the top oers of the American century. Yeah, I love him. In 1974, Philip K. Dick received a series of mystical and prophetic visions downloaded into his brain, maybe via the Black Knight satellite, which he called VALIS, the Vast Active Living Intelligence System. PK Day wrote them this download as it's an 800 page novel, this exegesis.

[Marcus Parks]

PKD, by the way, that's Philip K. Dick. Yeah, that's PKD. K. Just so everyone knows. Not everyone knows your shorthand.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I just said. I said film G D. They can't follow along. I don't know what to tell you.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

All right. Life comes at you fast in ballast.

[Joel McKean]

That's in Texas.

[Henry Zabrowski]

PKD interpreted much of his visions downloaded by val. So he saw a pink laser shoot into the center of his brain and it blew up his whole. It blew him up right. Like he started understanding time isn't real. He saw himself in Roman times under like. That's an ancient Christian. And it literally devastated him and destroyed his life. He saw this thing, it was a whole Christian iconography. He applied to it. The Black Knight satellite revealed to PKD that it had been placed in orbit by these three eyed crab, clawed beasts, beings from formal heart. A star in the Pisces constellation. And that's where the Jesus connection comes from is this idea that the Pisces constellation, the fish is what in what was the spirit God inside of Jesus Christ came from. The alien that inhabited Jesus Christ came from the Pisces constellation.

[Joel McKean]

Okay. That's why he gave away all the fish.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, fish is a big part of it.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, the Jesus fish, all that stuff. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

So PK they believe Soviet scientists were. They were going to try to reveal VALIS's secrets. He was obviously very, very paranoid. PKD said his download from VALIS began as visions of St. Elmo's fire, which is like a pink. He said it's like a plasma ray. He said he would described it to an abstract of Vasily Kandinsky. You know what those are?

[Joel McKean]

No.

[Marcus Parks]

Kandinsky's.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, yeah. Look him up. Show them Eddie. Show Eddie.

[Joel McKean]

What is a vosomy?

[Marcus Parks]

Kandinsky. He's an artist.

[Joel McKean]

Oh, okay. I thought it was thing.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Nope. It's his stuff. Looks like this that's just shot into his brain. All these blobs shot in his brain. Right.

[Joel McKean]

I love that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We all do.

[Joel McKean]

That's all very cool.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I wish it was real.

[Joel McKean]

I mean, it's art.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's cool. So Piky Day, he came to all. Well. You call these aliens much? How? John Kill called them the Watchers. And many people have talked about the Watchers. He called them the builders. He thought Vallis was a benign entity in the protector that helped him in his remaining years. And one day after the download, Piky Day was singing along to the beat Beetles Strawberry Fields forever. And Valis changed the lyrics in his brain into a warning.

[Joel McKean]

Mercy in the sky with diamonds.

[Marcus Parks]

Your son has an undiagnosed Right. Inguinal hernia. The hydrocell has burst and it has descended into the scrotal sac. He requires immediate attention. Or will soon die.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's the key. Or will soon die and will soon.

[Joel McKean]

That true?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes. PKD rushes son to the hospital. And it was true. Furthermore, this is one of those weird things that was true. You don't know whether or not. Or do we know more things in our unconscious than our. In our conscience. Like, are there things that we can know without. Like, without woo. We woo stuff. But can you maybe be noticing things about your son that you are not consciously processing. Processing. But somewhere back here you're processing and then all of a sudden it's like a eureka moment when the unconscious touches the conscious. Who knows?

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Or is it a robot from space.

[Joel McKean]

Or simply following your gut?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Exactly.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. Yeah. That's the idea. Like, what is the gut?

[Henry Zabrowski]

What is the gut?

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Well, that's kind of what we're saying is like survival instincts. But there are some people that really do believe. And it was an ancient psychology. And now like this concept of like, people. You'll still talk about this. I did not know. There are people that are walking around, they don't have a voice and they. Their head. Yeah. That they just got nothing.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. No internal monologue.

[Henry Zabrowski]

No internal monologue. This is. There are some people that still believe, like in kind of idea of like, where does the internal monologue come from? Who is that? Who do we talk to? Who is the Observer.

[Joel McKean]

It's just thinking.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But what is thinking? If you're talking. What is thinking, Eddie?

[Joel McKean]

I mean, just rationalizing shit in your.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Head trying to figure out more. I need him to have more generalized anxiety. So this is like. You really should read all of his books. So. Pkd.

[Joel McKean]

What if I just read one?

[Marcus Parks]

Read what, Andrew? Androids Dream of Electric.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You would like.

[Marcus Parks]

You already know the story. It's very short.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You would like it. Yeah, it's actually. You'd be surprised how strange PKD is if you actually read it. It's like not straight up and down sci fi at all. It's very, very weird.

[Marcus Parks]

Or the man in the High Castle. It's got Nazis.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Man in the High cast Castle is wonderful. It is a. It's an alternative history about if the Nazis won.

[Joel McKean]

I know.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And. Let me guess. Let me tell you show. Yeah. Let me tell you guess what?

[Joel McKean]

What?

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's not good.

[Joel McKean]

Not good.

[Marcus Parks]

No.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now the. The most recent evidence of the Black Knight satellite. So. Oh. So for those of you that want to know, go read Radio Free Albumth, the Divine Invasion, the Transmigration of Timothy Archer and valis. That is the VALIS series it all talks about. VALIS is a very touching watching scary book about a man. You're watching this essentially it's a hidden autobiography and you're watching Philip K. Dick wrestle with this thing of like am I crazy or is this real? And he's the smartest man in the world and he is tortured by this.

[Joel McKean]

He's too creative for his own good.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And he died of a brain aneurysm not too shortly after this.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, I mean there was a. You know, he would sometimes correct me if I'm wrong here, but I like he claimed that like man in the High Castle was he actually traveled to that like he could jump dimensions and he actually traveled to another dimension in which he saw the Nazis one and then came back and wrote the book.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, he did a whole like he believed in this emotional truth. He started to really believe that every one of his books were from a real alternative future.

[Joel McKean]

Sounds like he's like the only guy who could remember his dreams.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He really had lost his mind. He's just also great. Philip can. Dick is. What an amazing character. He's fucking. He was a big dude too. He's a fucking huge man. Now the most recent evidence of the Black Knight satellite Zapoto. We know that. We now know it's from the ISS 1998. The NASA STS 88 mission had the space shuttle Endeavor transporting Modules for construction of the iss and one of the astronauts snapped a photo of the Black Knight satellite.

[Joel McKean]

So this is what I'm asking.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is what it was. Yeah, that's what that picture was it.

[Joel McKean]

That's what that one. That exact picture is, yes. Okay, cool.

[Henry Zabrowski]

However, now we're getting to the bummer section. There are a number of skeptics who claim that the Black Knight satellite photo is actually just a photo of a blanket Space trash. Officially, NASA says the object is space junk nup. Space junk number 025570 and that actually had burned up in the atmosphere a few days after the picture was taken. The thermal blankets were used to cover the trunnion pins on the modules. And one happened to float in the space space allegedly during spacewalk. Astronaut commander Robert Cabana was even reported saying, Jenny, one of them thermal colors got away from you my friend. Like Roberto, Roberto Cabana.

[Joel McKean]

So did a blanket go missing?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Oh okay. So it's probably the blanket or.

[Henry Zabrowski]

NASA engineer James Oberg and cosmonaut Sergey Krikalev also claimed the Black Knight satellite photo is just a photo of a lost thermal blanket which looks like an alien object because there's a gravity in space and something like a blanket will maintain its shape. If you look at. Also there's a bunch of AI breakdowns where they try to look at solid. Oh you could see. But it could maybe very well be a blanket. I don't know.

[Joel McKean]

I could see why people would think it's a blanket. Because of the ruffles and stuff.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yes, because there's a lot of stuff. Most people believe the testimony from the astronauts saying that it's part of a cover up maybe. NASA removed the photo of the thermal blanket from their official website leading to even more cover up speculation. They dumped it in the trailer trash.

[Joel McKean]

I mean just keep it up there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's no, but that's the thing. They have to go and make it extra mysterious by deleting it. And it turns out there's, you know what, what's up though? Which is true. There's a lot of trash in space.

[Marcus Parks]

Tons of trash.

[Henry Zabrowski]

There's a lot of trash. A lot of trash.

[Joel McKean]

Satellites don't even work anymore.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah. Oh yeah. And there's some of it's left up there. Some of most of it burns up in the atmosphere. Some of it crashes into the ocean. In 2006, a spatula was lost during the space shuttle Discovery's mission to the International Space station station. In 2008, astronaut Heidi Stefan Schnim Piper.

[Joel McKean]

Like a single spatula.

[Marcus Parks]

Single spatula was lost.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Joel McKean]

Sounds like someone did something they should have done and hid that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's my thing. I just throw that spatula. Yeah. All right.

[Joel McKean]

It's evidence.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's fun to do. This astronaut lost her grip on a tool bag during a spacewalk and it's and was repairing jammed gear for a solar panel. The bag weighed 30 pounds and had a hundred thousand dollars worth of space ready tools. It could still be be. It's still be seen on radar.

[Joel McKean]

Oh really?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah. Which is pretty funny.

[Marcus Parks]

You snag that thing.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

Cool Hundred grand.

[Henry Zabrowski]

That's some good ass money dude. Like I always think about that meteorite. That's. I can't believe that movie wasn't made. That's going to crash somewhere that's got like 12. It's like a meteorite made out of like $12 billion worth of gold. Yeah, we don't know where that is. In 2007, a 1400 pound tank of ammonia was thrown overboard from the ISS because NASA said they needed to free up room on the shuttle's return trip to Earth. It was in orbit for a year before it burned up in the atmosphere. NASA developed urine recycling systems. They used to just dump their pee.

[Joel McKean]

Why not?

[Henry Zabrowski]

I actually think I missed that void.

[Marcus Parks]

Just a shooting pee. And do you. Did they shoot the feces as well?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yeah, of course.

[Joel McKean]

Why would you shoot it into space?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Because they think it's.

[Marcus Parks]

You can now recycle it. Like they now recycle the urine. To drink. To drink a drinkable water.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Water. PP Water.

[Marcus Parks]

Shoot it in the space space Crystals. Twinkly stars. This is actually Twinkle little Star.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But this is actually truly interesting. 2012 classified documents were unsealed regarding the US spy satellite program Corona. Interesting name which operated from 1959 to 1972. The spy satellites would take photos over the Soviet Union. Union then dumped the film back to earth by parachute. There were at least 23 Corona spy satellites in medium Earth orbit between 600 to 1,000 miles above Earth. So it is quite possible that a lot of these unknown objects that were spotted during that time period were our own secret US spy satellites.

[Joel McKean]

Okay.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. I mean that's one of the things about where we are today. And like just as far as information disclosure goes and as far as belief goes is that there was so, so much in the cold during the Cold War. So much secret going on.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh yeah.

[Marcus Parks]

We didn't want the Russians to know about. And the Russians doing so much secret that they didn't want us to know about that. All of us were lying all the time about what everything was. Yes. So it really did just erode the trust of the public.

[Joel McKean]

And then China started launching.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah. And they're not telling the truth either.

[Joel McKean]

So now we got, like, billionaires launching, so Lord knows what they got up there.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, but the. I guess the point is that, you know, this stuff is where conspiracy breeds, because people do notice it, they do see it. Of course, the government can't come out and say, like, oh, yeah, that's a spy satellite, because we need to check out Rostov on Don, you know, every six weeks. So they lie about it and conspiracy breeds. And that's where we are in the 21st century.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Now think about what we just dealt with. With the balloons. Yeah, the Chinese spy balloons. We had to deal with all of this where we had to make a big deal, but, like, oh, I can't believe they're spying on us when we've been doing. We're doing. We're watching them from space.

[Joel McKean]

Of course they're doing the same thing. Spying on each other all the time.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Marcus Parks]

And think about that. I mean, the drone flap was, what, five months ago? No one's fucking talking about anymore.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's already gone.

[Marcus Parks]

It's gone. It's gone. It's over.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's. Because it probably was an AI piloted drone program.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, quite. Could be. But that's the thing. We didn't. No one told us what it was. No one told us that. And it was just there and it's gone. And now it's in the ether. That was five months. That was five months ago.

[Henry Zabrowski]

You got to tell me.

[Marcus Parks]

A lifetime ago.

[Joel McKean]

I'm still thinking about it. I can't get a straight answer out of Henry anytime.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I'm just used to being ignored. Ignored. But because mystery is important, Eddie, sometimes it's all about answering the questions. Because not every question has an answer. Some questions are just there to postulate.

[Joel McKean]

Why was the airport shut down? That's a good question.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's very scary, Eddie. None of us will know. But the Black Knight Satellite mystery remains. In March of 2017, the Daily Mail published an article that claimed, as reported by Secure Team 10, YouTube's channel, that the Black Knight satellite was shot down by the elite Illuminati UFO hunters. So, good night, Black Knight Satellite, and thank you for your service. Oh, so I find I. I think anything like that makes people look to the sky is. Is fun. And I think that, like, yes, obviously there. This can be very easily debunked. And torn apart. But there's still something about the mystery of space. It's why we do this. It is as mysterious as the. You know, like, the bottom of the ocean. We don't know. Know what's going on. That's why we got all the Cthulhu stuff and crack and all that kind of stuff. It's the same thing as up there. And until one day we master space, which we will never.

[Marcus Parks]

No, no.

[Henry Zabrowski]

The mysteries will continue.

[Joel McKean]

I think that's great. I mean, I. I love knowing about it, but, you know, it does seem like a blanket now that we're really talking about it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's probably a blanket.

[Marcus Parks]

Look at it real hard. It does. Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's got a blanket. Blanket aspect to it. Yes.

[Joel McKean]

I can't zoom in. Like, when you zoom out, it looks like a rock. But, yeah, when you get in there.

[Henry Zabrowski]

But I do want to do. I do want to one day have proper. I want to do something where we make Tesla look cool again.

[Joel McKean]

Well, that's difficult now.

[Marcus Parks]

Yeah, yeah, it's. It's actually. It is impossible now. Yeah.

[Joel McKean]

That.

[Marcus Parks]

That poor, poor, like, it's just poor, sad man. Poor, sad. Just still his. His reputation and his name is just on and on and on forever. Like, it's now, like, forever ruined.

[Henry Zabrowski]

He's just like, what. He sees, like, what's happening now. He's just like, oh, what the living hell? No. People gonna be talking to angels. Like, Tess. I thought he was talking to angels. So, you know. But I am. Right now, I'm talking to two angels. Eddie and Marcus, thank you for letting me leave this episode.

[Marcus Parks]

No, thank you for doing it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I want to thank Joel McKean, our head researcher. He helped me write this whole thing. I needed it, obviously. And, you know, again, just helping people ask questions.

[Joel McKean]

Honestly, I hope I get to a point where I learn about every single alien thing that's coming. And it's good that it's. I feels good. I'm glad we're doing this right before contact in the desert.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Yes.

[Joel McKean]

Because we're going there, and it's always good to know a little bit more. So I can ask questions whenever I'm talking to these people.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Absolutely.

[Joel McKean]

So it very. It's very helpful.

[Henry Zabrowski]

And for those of you that are single out there, it helps. Helps you flirt.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

This is the kind of stuff you got to flirt with at context, I think.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah. I think that's advice for the ladies, not for the men.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Not the men. Need men. Men just know. Can women arrive? Women should go to Contact in the desert?

[Marcus Parks]

No, there was plenty of women to contact in the desert. They're all selling crystals though.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Ladies in there, come check it out. Patreon.com class by guest left when we're back from contact. Rain of so much extra footage. Footage there you can pay to watch us yell and scream and pay to watch us live on patreon Tuesdays at 6pm it is our 4 last stream on the left. We have a lot of fun.

[Marcus Parks]

Yep. And you can watch us live on Patreon if you want. The unedited version of last stream on the left. What goes over to YouTube is not the entire show. So if you want to watch that thing live and get the entire thing and interact with us on the chat, go to patreon.com lastpodcast on the left. And if you want to interact with all the other clips and that we post, follow us on Instagram and Tik Tok at LP on the left. And if you want to interact with us using your eyeballs, go to last podcast on the left.com to see which cities we're coming to.

[Joel McKean]

That's right, we are. Next someone we're doing is going to be Toronto, but that's already sold out on May, so make sure you if you can't go to that. We got Atlanta in June, Salt Lake City, what I my first time doing a big outdoor show. I'm very excited for that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's going to be interesting.

[Joel McKean]

July, we basically do one a month, except for in August we're doing two. We're doing Durham and Charlotte and then we're gonna keep coming and we got we got cities booked once a month for the whole rest of the year, twice a month.

[Marcus Parks]

We got Oakland and we got Portland coming up in December. So go to check out go to last podcast on the left.com to see which city near you that we're coming to.

[Joel McKean]

Also, Invasive species is going to be real soon, right? I'm going straight from Toronto. Toronto right down to Florida. I'm gonna do my second leg of this tour. It's gonna be amazing. I got naples on the 6th with Henry. I'm gonna be in Fort Lauderdale on the 7th and then on the 8th, Henry and I are going to be in Orlando at the Funny Bone. And then I'm doing that full weekend in Key west, which is going to be a blast. I don't know if people go to Key west anymore. I love that place. It could wash away at any moment. So this might be your last time to go.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It's the only way.

[Joel McKean]

Yes. And then make sure you come see us in May at Contact in the desert, which is the last day of May, and then the first two days of June. That's gonna be a blast. You love. It's like a goddamn cruise ship. I can't wait. We're all talking about it.

[Henry Zabrowski]

Oh, yeah. Then come to Crime Wave at sea, slash last. This is. We got a lot going on, don't we?

[Joel McKean]

That's a whole year is booked. Booked solid. Thank you, Henry. This was so nice.

[Marcus Parks]

Yes, thank you.

[Joel McKean]

I appreciate you like, taking time and doing that because I feel like the alien stuff has been slept on lately and it's such a major part of the show. And thank you for that.

[Henry Zabrowski]

We're bringing it back.

[Joel McKean]

Yeah.

[Henry Zabrowski]

I don't care what anybody says with your goon shirt.

[Joel McKean]

How is your gooning going?

[Henry Zabrowski]

Poor. Yeah, I just go, man. I just go.

[Marcus Parks]

It's more of an aspirational shirt than.

[Henry Zabrowski]

It is to inspire others, goon, because I cannot. Goodbye. Hail gooning hell and hail Philip K. Dick. Yeah, it's my boy. Fuck at it.